June 17, 2012
— andy I figure enough morons have seen the movie by now for us to have a pretty decent, spoiler-filled thread on it.
If you haven't seen it yet, don't say you weren't warned.
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Posted by: Andy at June 17, 2012 01:37 PM (BNuW6)
Rico- "I'm from Buenos Aires, and I say kill 'em all!
Posted by: catman at June 17, 2012 01:39 PM (NYdB8)
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Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 01:53 PM (R+6Q+)
I'm going to be the contrarian and say I liked it. It was visually stunning and there was a decent plot. The timeline, however, didn't make sense. If the Engineers had only recently (as in the past 2-3,000 years) gone to that planet to genetically engineer a WMD to exterminate Man, why would 35,000 year-old cave paintings point to that planet and not the one the Engineers came from? And why did David, the android, deliberately infect the crew member? It doesn't seem to mesh with the rest of his actions.
Posted by: Jeffersonian at June 17, 2012 01:53 PM (gxCRt)
I loved it.
It shows the futility of human curiousity, and the danger of the line of human thought that starts with "we have to do something!" without considering much of anything in the way of consequences.
The visual were spectacular. Sure, there were some holes, but the point may be that we don't know anything and are more ant than boot (h/t: The Avengers).
The alien "c-section" made me squirm in my seat, and I don't do that at movies.
I'd like to see an Extended Version - I wonder how much backstory as far as David's knowledge of what they were looking for, how much Charlize Theron's character knew before they landed, what size Noomi Rapace's boobies are, etc. could be in there.
Posted by: Prosqtor at June 17, 2012 01:53 PM (0xOQP)
And no, I can't do streaming movies. Not enough bandwidth.
Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2012 01:54 PM (YdQQY)
Verhoeven is an avowed Leftist. He didn't sneak the "right wing" in, he was mocking the "right wing." You were mocked and you didn't even know it.
Posted by: Jesusland at June 17, 2012 01:56 PM (jIlzK)
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Posted by: Bosk at June 17, 2012 01:57 PM (RRoh3)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 01:57 PM (R+6Q+)
The only thing WAS in the movie was the brief tit scene and then they had to kill the red headed babe.
Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2012 01:58 PM (YdQQY)
2) Prometheus was just meh. Characters were cardboard cutouts to fulfill plot needs. "Hi, I have a mohawk and lots of tats - everyone of my six lines is going to be questioning authority and advocating looking out for myself."
Male archeologist: "I found hidden invitations at several ancient sites inviting us to find advanced alien life on a planet. We got to the planet and there are huge preserved facilities, preserved alien bodies, and working holograms of aliens in the base - however, since none are alive and hugging me hello I view the mission as a failure and have to get drunk so I can be dosed with alien jizz."
Creepy, android: "Don't mind me - sure I speak impeccably and am disturbingly perfect - but it's not like I'm working towards a secret corporate agenda."
3) Big questions? They asked and handled questions with as much depth as the stoner scene in Animal House - “our whole solar system could be, like one tiny atom in the fingernail of some other giant being.”
Posted by: steve_in_hb at June 17, 2012 02:01 PM (0uIm+)
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Posted by: Y-not at June 17, 2012 06:07 PM (5H6zj)
That's not ace, two ways to tell. Hash is wrong and ace does not capitalize the "A".
Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2012 02:09 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 17, 2012 02:10 PM (C8mVl)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 17, 2012 02:11 PM (piMMO)
That explains why the only words in the review of this movie was "WTF" by Andy
Posted by: Nelson Muntz at June 17, 2012 02:11 PM (Y+DPZ)
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Posted by: ktnxbai *cough* at June 17, 2012 02:14 PM (OEUji)
Didn't take much to talk him into heroic suicide. No, hey maybe we can shoot out the engines, or disable the navigation. Nope, just jumped straight to kamikazee mass death.
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Not quite true...he said to the scientist chick before their last foray into the facility that 'he wasn't going to take any of that stuff back to earth'...then just when the alien ship is taking off, scientist chick confirms that it's a bio weapon and they have to stop it taking off. I think the captain suspected for a while that something like that might have to happen when they saw the ship underground on the 3d scanner thing.
Posted by: CanaDave at June 17, 2012 02:19 PM (lJSgG)
Posted by: Y-not at June 17, 2012 02:20 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: ktnxbai *cough* at June 17, 2012 02:20 PM (OEUji)
Posted by: ktnxbai *cough* at June 17, 2012 02:21 PM (OEUji)
<i>Besides, after getting to go all cap't kirk what with that bunk time alluded to with Charlize T, what's to go home to?</i>
I coulda used a few more minutes of that scene, myself. Putting CT into a starched Mao suit was the pinnacle of costume idiocy.
Posted by: Jeffersonian at June 17, 2012 02:21 PM (gxCRt)
Posted by: Y-not at June 17, 2012 02:22 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 02:24 PM (csi6Y)
I will watch it again when it comes out on DVD, and certainly watch the next one. But it was, ultimately, a failure.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 02:24 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: logprof at June 17, 2012 06:12 PM (xbo8p)
It did. Ten pounds of suckitude in a five pound bag. My worst waste of $8.50 in recent memory.
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 02:25 PM (5Riy6)
Was it better or worse than "Event Horizon"?
I don't even know if they are comparable but I'm guessing that "Prometheus" was kind of a psychological thriller.
Posted by: ErikW at June 17, 2012 02:25 PM (IfMXE)
Posted by: buzzion at June 17, 2012 02:25 PM (GULKT)
Clearly, visually, Prometheus is a good movie and better than Alien, but that's about the only area in which it's better.
There were so many plot holes, unexplained happenings, and weak characters.
In Aliens, I actually gave a shit when a character was killed. You were given a little bit of time to bond with the characters. The only character you knew nothing about was the guy who got attacked by the face hugger.
Posted by: Ben at June 17, 2012 02:25 PM (UvdzB)
Posted by: nickless at June 17, 2012 02:26 PM (MMC8r)
****
Teh sux.
Just keep thinking that by this time tomorrow, the Golytly and the test will be over.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 17, 2012 02:26 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 02:26 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: ktnxbai *cough* at June 17, 2012 02:27 PM (OEUji)
Apparently the film is about 30 minutes longer and there are a lot of scenes they cut that may help explain things.
For example the pilot is in the film for like 2 minutes, but apparently he had a lot of scenes cut. I'd like to see them, because it was tough to believe that he had figured out the alien ship was really a "bomber filled with WMD" and that he would sacrifice his life and the ship to prevent it from getting back to earth based on the two minutes of air time he had.
Posted by: Ben at June 17, 2012 02:27 PM (UvdzB)
Posted by: drawandstrike at June 17, 2012 02:28 PM (EERTp)
Posted by: mpfs at June 17, 2012 02:29 PM (Fy6L7)
Posted by: Y-not at June 17, 2012 02:29 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 02:30 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: swaga at June 17, 2012 02:32 PM (ZSMS+)
The Biologist and Geologist are scared shitless, but then see a cobra like alien and want to play with it?
The Biologist and Geologist get lost in the caves that the Geologist was mapping? It's 2093 and they get lost in a cave system that was pretty straight forward.
What the fuck did David say to the engineer. How could you leave that out. Apparently there could have been subtitles, but Ridley Scott ruled it out. So I guess that's another thing I will have to wait for in the directors cuts.
What was the point of casting a 40 year old actor to play a 100 year old man?
Why did the one scientist become a zombie when infected? I've seen all the alien movies and don't recall ever seeing that. That really was a WTF moment. Also, in that scene, he killed like 5 people of whom I had no idea were even on the ship. It's like the people killed in that scene didn't exist except for that very scene.
How stupid was crash scene. They were running from a crashing ship the size of several sky scrapers? I actually laughed out loud in the theater when Vickers was crushed by it. It was so ridiculous
Posted by: Ben at June 17, 2012 02:32 PM (UvdzB)
I've been reading reviews, and I'm aware that I'm in the minority...but some plot holes that are discussed don't really seem to be plot holes to me, but I digress. For instance, I pretty much took David poisoning Halloway to be David's nascent sapience and emotions coming through...he seemed obsessed with Shaw (Read her dreams, was only taking care of her when everyone woke up, etc.) and not only was jealous of Halloway, but actively hated him for treating him as less than human. I figured he just killed him because he could.
As for the beginning, I never saw it as an "Engineer" seeding life on the Earth. I just saw it as juxtaposition. If that was the intent, then it was a cruddy scene that made absolutely no sense whatsoever - but I have a couple of reasons not to think that that was the case:
A. The DNA was explicitly shown as decaying, turning black.
B. The language that Halloway had David studying was Proto-World, I think. David clearly understood what was written on those walls, so it must've been correct.
C. The ship at the very beginning wasn't the same as the Titan's. I think that's important - but I'm not sure what it means. I have some theories, but it'll have to wait until Scott can finish out the series.
I like the fact that much of the stuff is unexplained. Why would it be? I hate "Bond Villain Moments." They're bad writing.
Charlize Theron running in a straight line away....I've never been in such a screwy situation. I can't claim to know what the flight reaction would affect my actions.
As for groan inducing moments, there were several. DNA doesn't work the way they were talking about. For something to be that phenotypically different from a normal human would mean it'd be at least as different as a chimp's. Besides, between humans DNA isn't identical. Stupid. Another was the scientists following Halloway's example on the helmet removal - I could believe that one would be foolish enough, but all? Not really. Clumsy.
Also, the line about David not having a soul...also clumsy. Clumsy as hell.
Posted by: seguin at June 17, 2012 02:33 PM (OFZmB)
Listen to people talk on cell phones, spend 30 minutes watching ads and previews?
no thanks.
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at June 17, 2012 02:33 PM (Cydud)
Posted by: Ben at June 17, 2012 02:33 PM (UvdzB)
Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2012 02:33 PM (G9qZk)
Well, he outsmarted himself, then, because the "right wingers" won the war. The message of "Starship Troopers" was that overwhelming force is the only answer in some cases.
He also made all those "right wingers" attractive, charismatic, and heroic. Maybe all those characteristics are considered anathema to the left?
Posted by: Llarry at June 17, 2012 02:35 PM (v0ygW)
Posted by: Y-not at June 17, 2012 02:35 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: lowandslow at June 17, 2012 02:35 PM (GZitp)
The alien eats the chemical that causes his body to dissolve, he falls into water and his cells then create life.
Posted by: Ben at June 17, 2012 02:36 PM (UvdzB)
i rented that today and I really liked it.
Posted by: Ben at June 17, 2012 02:36 PM (UvdzB)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 02:37 PM (csi6Y)
"OH MY FUCKING GOD, MEDICAL TEAM! MEDICAL TEAM ALERT! HE MIGHT BE ALIVE! SOMEBODY COME HELP ME!"
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...actually, I would have screamed OMFG WHY IS HE SQUATTED DOWN WALKING ON ALL FOURS WITH HIS LEGS IN FRONT OF HIS HEAD!!!!
...then I'd have started shooting 
Posted by: CanaDave at June 17, 2012 02:37 PM (lJSgG)
Posted by: Inquirer at June 17, 2012 02:39 PM (4Bh6U)
Posted by: Y-not at June 17, 2012 02:41 PM (5H6zj)
Crew members mysteriously died? It's a shame we weren't recording everything they sent back to the ship so we could rewind the video to see what happened!
Dead crew member shows up at the door? Let's open it!
Posted by: Anachronda at June 17, 2012 02:42 PM (1c58W)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 02:42 PM (csi6Y)
Anyway, I gave it a B...it was entertaining and had a few thought generating parts and I really didn't care that they all died cuz I didn't like any of them.
I kinda thought that that was LV-426, the planet in the other movies.
Posted by: CanaDave at June 17, 2012 02:43 PM (lJSgG)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 02:44 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 02:44 PM (5Riy6)
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Any morons volunteering to be designated drivers on election/inaugural days?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 17, 2012 02:46 PM (piMMO)
Seems like the rest of the crew didn't share Charlize Theron's fascination with containment protocols.
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Yeah, you'd think if they were going to a planet that they suspected might have alien life forms, possibly more advanced, that they might have cooked up some rules of engagment beforehand.
Posted by: CanaDave at June 17, 2012 02:46 PM (lJSgG)
Posted by: Ben at June 17, 2012 02:47 PM (UvdzB)
Posted by: Y-not in solidarity with Seamus at June 17, 2012 02:48 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Brian in BC at June 17, 2012 02:50 PM (3lxx0)
Just a terrible terrible movie. Nothing was handed to me on a silver platter. I was utterly confused throughout. I didn't understand the relevance to '2000 years ago" and I didn't understand the relevance to them landing on Christmas Day.
Srsly guise. How can I be expected to enjoy the movie if they don't hand me everything, EVERYTHING on a gd silver platter.
Posted by: modern crybaby at June 17, 2012 02:50 PM (2qDRX)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 17, 2012 06:46 PM
Taking Democraps to Toronto?
Posted by: Inquirer at June 17, 2012 02:52 PM (4Bh6U)
Posted by: Brian in BC at June 17, 2012 02:52 PM (3lxx0)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 02:53 PM (csi6Y)
Yeah, that's what I want. A movie that essentially shows me nothing and tells me nothing.
It's not surprising it was written by the guy who wrote Lost. If I want to ponder the great questions of life then I'll read philosophy, not go see a sci-fi movie in theaters.
Does the plot need to make sense? No man because it makes you think!
Does one scene need to connect to another scene? No man because it makes you think!
It just wasn't a good movie. It doesn't have to tell/show you everything, but it needs to tell/show you enough.
Posted by: Ben at June 17, 2012 02:54 PM (UvdzB)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 17, 2012 02:56 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 02:57 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2012 02:57 PM (G9qZk)
Posted by: Ben at June 17, 2012 02:58 PM (UvdzB)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2012 02:58 PM (5noOE)
Posted by: troyriser at June 17, 2012 02:58 PM (YCeSE)
Posted by: drawandstrike at June 17, 2012 02:59 PM (EERTp)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 02:59 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: Ben at June 17, 2012 06:54 PM (UvdzB)
Actually, it showed us what it had. This was simply a gross-out horror flick of the icky oozy alien violates your orifices and impregnates you type, and nothing more. It would probably stodd up *better* on its own and not as an Alien prequel.
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 03:00 PM (5Riy6)
But given David's actions during the film, I got the impression David didn't ask him what Weyland wanted him to ask
Posted by: Ben at June 17, 2012 03:01 PM (UvdzB)
Posted by: blaster at June 17, 2012 03:03 PM (HR5x9)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 03:03 PM (csi6Y)
Personally, I would have called them architects.
Posted by: Fritz at June 17, 2012 03:03 PM (ZN5qR)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 03:04 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2012 06:57 PM (G9qZk)
A caption on the screen explicitly referred to the planet that Prometheus lands on as LV-426, which *is* the planet in the original movie.
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 03:06 PM (5Riy6)
Posted by: blaster at June 17, 2012 03:07 PM (HR5x9)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 03:10 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 03:10 PM (R+6Q+)
There are absolutely zero ways for a newborn alien that weighs at the most 5 kg to molt into an enormous 300 kg monster with no intake of nutrients.
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Perhaps it is born with its own nutrient source.
Of course, we could all be debating this: http://huff.to/LLZW0B
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 17, 2012 03:10 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Brian in BC at June 17, 2012 03:11 PM (3lxx0)
#108
Can we also get directors and writers to go beyond "Scooby Doo" style character mentality? You know the "hey let's split up!" and "hey, let's open the door!" garbage.
No. We have fancy computer generated graphics now. And 3D. Everything else is just there to showcase those graphics. They use their poorly written scripts to put their unbelievable characters into situations all logical people would run screaming from.
And if, after all that, it still stinks, there's always Plan B.....turn the volume up really loud.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 17, 2012 03:12 PM (L7hol)
Posted by: Andy at June 17, 2012 03:12 PM (tmzN0)
Here, let me give you a slight assist in the right direction (but I do expect you to complain that I haven't explained enough, just like the movie. so, pre-emptively: piss off
)The whole movie was about the virtue of sacrifice.
The move was replete with examples of this, much less the head nods towards Christianity. For example, the opening scene were the engineer sacrificed his life to create new life (most people here presume it is planet earth, but who know? it could be anyplanet as far as we know). We have the Pilots sacrificing their lives to stop the spaceship from going to Earth and destroying humanity. We have that horrific scene where Holloway, knowing some crazy stuff is happening to him that could threaten the others, willingly sacrifices himself to Vicker's gun, therefore probably (presumably) saving the others, the mission, and so on.
Contrast those scenes with the ones with those who try to save themselves, by putting themselves first. When Vickers utters one of the more memorable phrases in the movie, "A king has his reign, and then he dies", it was indicating her desire to see her father dead so that she may take over Weyland Corp. A self-interested character wanting others to sacrifice (i.e. for her father to finally die) their lives for her. She ultimately dies by running in a straight line - quite poetic, in a sense, that she was aimed in one direction (self-preservation).
Yes, the movie is full of references to Jesus Christ, the Virgin Mary, parts of the Bible, and so on. REALLY? Them arriving on Christmas Day? How plainly obvious. Something happened 2000 years ago that angered the engineers? HMMM WHAT COULD THAT BE???
At my pond today, I fed some ducks small pieces of bread. But I did not throw in the whole loaf.
Posted by: modern crybaby at June 17, 2012 03:12 PM (2qDRX)
Posted by: blaster at June 17, 2012 07:07 PM (HR5x9)
All the human characters acted like imbeciles, why shouldn't the Engineer? You think the writers suddenly got smarter when writing the action for a different species?
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 03:13 PM (5Riy6)
Is the planet in Prometheus the same one in Alien and Aliens?
No, the planet in Prometheus is called LV-223 and the planet in Alien and Aliens is LV-426. These planets are in the same star system (Zeta Reticuli). However in galactic terms, they are relatively close neighbors.
http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/2102/prometheus-faqs/p1
Posted by: steve_in_hb at June 17, 2012 03:14 PM (0uIm+)
Posted by: Andy at June 17, 2012 03:15 PM (tmzN0)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 03:15 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2012 03:15 PM (G9qZk)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at June 17, 2012 03:15 PM (Ho2rs)
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Hey, let's go back to the ship! And, just for fun, we won't ask the guy back on the ship with a map of the cave and a marker of our current position which way we should go!
Posted by: Anachronda at June 17, 2012 03:15 PM (1c58W)
Posted by: Brian in BC at June 17, 2012 07:11 PM (3lxx0)
Oh, my bad then. Maybe you are right about where they are headed with it in future movies.
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 03:16 PM (5Riy6)
But given David's actions during the film, I got the impression David didn't ask him what Weyland wanted him to ask
That was my thought. I think he was saying you better kill all these guys they are going to try to stop you.
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I was kind of under the impression that David ignored Weyland's question and asked Shaw's questions instead about
- what was in the cargo hold?
- what are you planning on doing with it?
- why are you trying to kill us?
...and then the security guy wacks her on the head with the butt of his rifle.
Posted by: CanaDave at June 17, 2012 03:17 PM (lJSgG)
Posted by: Brian in BC at June 17, 2012 03:18 PM (3lxx0)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 17, 2012 03:19 PM (1Oz17)
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Now we know who taught Joe Biden everything he knows about agriculture.
Posted by: Anachronda at June 17, 2012 03:19 PM (1c58W)
Posted by: Brian in BC at June 17, 2012 03:19 PM (3lxx0)
Any wonder why it did NOT react to fassbender's presence?
Any thoughts on why it reacted differently to different people? Is it not possible that the goo is, to borrow (i think) a phrase from ghostbusters, a psycho-kinetic substance that reacts to the state of mind of certain people?
Does anyone find it strange that Noomi was, apparently, barren (or otherwise could not have a child) and then, BAM! next day, she's been pregnant for weeks after having slept with Holloway.
Is anyone making the connections here? Or do y'all need more bread crumbs?
Posted by: modern crybaby at June 17, 2012 03:20 PM (2qDRX)
Posted by: Brian in BC at June 17, 2012 03:21 PM (3lxx0)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 03:23 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: Fritz at June 17, 2012 03:24 PM (ZN5qR)
Any thoughts on why it reacted differently to different people? Is it not possible that the goo is, to borrow (i think) a phrase from ghostbusters, a psycho-kinetic substance that reacts to the state of mind of certain people?
I'll go with the Occam's Razor explanation that the writers were hacks.
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 03:24 PM (5Riy6)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at June 17, 2012 03:25 PM (tKFT6)
Imagine you are an engineer and one of your brother engineers made the ultimate sacrifice of giving his life to create life on planet earth.
And image you are awoken from a deep sleep by 1) an non-human android entity and 2) a geezer (a king who refuses to died, thus not sacrificing himself to the betterment of his corporation or others for that matter) who considers this android the closest thing he has to an actual son.
Yeah, he didn't really care what David said. Who they were, and what they represented, matter more.
Posted by: modern crybaby at June 17, 2012 03:25 PM (2qDRX)
Posted by: blaster at June 17, 2012 03:26 PM (HR5x9)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 03:26 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 03:26 PM (R+6Q+)
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 17, 2012 03:26 PM (7+pP9)
http://bit.ly/MvceXO
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 17, 2012 03:28 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: blaster at June 17, 2012 03:28 PM (HR5x9)
Posted by: Fritz at June 17, 2012 07:24 PM (ZN5qR)
Don't you be dissin' space flutes, beeyatch.
Posted by: CPT Jean-Luc "Fancy Lad" Picard at June 17, 2012 03:30 PM (0d0K7)
Plus it had one of my Hollywood pet peeves: Shaw and Vickers ran away from the ship along the axis of roll... Shaw finally moves perpendicularly when she falls, but damn if this tripe doesn't happen in almost every damn movie out there. Hey, something falling/coming at you? Move sideways to it's direction of motion! Jeez!
Posted by: KG at June 17, 2012 03:30 PM (IPz9m)
@modern crybaby: I was under the impression that the engineer at the beginning of the movie was quite a lot younger than the ones on the planet...my take away from that was that he was an idealistic youth among them and did something reckless like create life on Earth and that the older engineers disapproved of and were maybe trying to erase his mistake with their bio-weapons.
Possibly they didn't want competition from us out in the galaxy or that we'd be a lot more aggressive and hostile towards them?
Posted by: CanaDave at June 17, 2012 03:32 PM (lJSgG)
The ultimate question left opened by the movie is *why* were we created? That is the question Weyland wants answered. I kinda think it is answered:
My conclusion is that humans were created as cattle, to act as hosts for the aliens. The engineers were only acting on behalf or at the direction of the aliens, perhaps (remember that huge mural of the alien queen in that room?
The virtue of self-sacrifice, as seen throughout the movie, and, I think, within the myths and epics and stories told throughout the short history of mankind, could be a signal that we were developed to be accepting of our own sacrifice to the aliens when they came to use us as food/hosts/etc....
Otherwise, why else would these engineers go through so much trouble to plant seeds of life on earth? I'm open to other explanations, except for "just because they could."
Posted by: modern crybaby at June 17, 2012 03:32 PM (2qDRX)
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Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Posted by: Anachronda at June 17, 2012 03:33 PM (1c58W)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 03:33 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: Rev dr e buzzy buns at June 17, 2012 03:34 PM (lrcDk)
-Unprecedented history-making expedition in search of mankind's creators manned by undisciplined, careless, impulsive dilettantes. Who don't even know what the mission is. Because, colorful.
-Entire trillion-dollar starship and crew entrusted for two years to man-child android who's "discovering himself." Because, Oscar nomination.
-Key member of crew ignorantly calls mission "intergalactic." Because, fucking George Lucas.
-Explorers take helmets off in a biologically active alien atmosphere. Because, well, hey.
-Squid-worm thing grows to Humvee size without any apparent source of food. Because, let's just move along here..
Would love to see Harry S. Plinkett put this big shiny piece of shit where it belongs. Ridley Scott has pulled a Phantom Menace.
No, I didn't waste my money. I read the Wiki summary.
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at June 17, 2012 03:34 PM (luqsa)
If goo makes you melt like the first archaeologist guy, why does it need to turn into Aliens. Seems like the goo is weaponized all by itself.
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I thought it was the blood from the snake thing he cut the head off of that melted his helmet and he tried to dilute it with the goo before it melted through...eventually the acid melted the helmet onto his face and let the goo in
Posted by: CanaDave at June 17, 2012 03:34 PM (lJSgG)
Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2012 03:34 PM (G9qZk)
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 17, 2012 03:36 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 03:36 PM (R+6Q+)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 03:38 PM (csi6Y)
WHY, oh why do crap writers manage to get their crap made into movies?
Posted by: KG at June 17, 2012 03:38 PM (IPz9m)
David emulating Peter O'Toole's Lawrence is pretty clear. David knows he is being bent over by Weyland who belittles him as he thinks he is praising David in the hologram. So he is doing things to meet the letter of Weyland's instructions but in ways to doom the mission. He is Lucifer. HAL 9000 and his motivations are far more human and understandable.
The two scientists getting separated and lost. Hey use the radio you idiots. And if a dead alien freaked you out then why go exploring? And why not use one of the puppies as a guide dog to get out of the stupa... yeah another gripe those were not pyramids but stupas.
Yeah that ending with Vickers suffering a Wylie Coyote moment after revealing she is Weyland's daughter was seriously disappointing.
Though must give kudos to Ridley Scott for introducing an Elder God/anime tentacle monster to a mainstream movie. Small kudo.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 03:39 PM (sdna4)
Pacific Rim is still moving right along. Now that I am excited to see.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 17, 2012 03:39 PM (Gk3SS)
#171
....and seeding Planet Earth via the toilet.
And socks. Sometimes my sheets too...but I think mom notices.
Posted by: 17 Year Old Kid at June 17, 2012 03:39 PM (L7hol)
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If it were easy to find crew for interstellar expeditions, the future wouldn't need blimps begging you to start your life over in the off-world colonies.
Posted by: Anachronda at June 17, 2012 03:39 PM (1c58W)
The ultimate question left opened by the movie is *why* were we created? That is the question Weyland wants answered. I kinda think it is answered:
My conclusion is that humans were created as cattle, to act as hosts for the aliens. The engineers were only acting on behalf or at the direction of the aliens, perhaps (remember that huge mural of the alien queen in that room?
The virtue of self-sacrifice, as seen throughout the movie, and, I think, within the myths and epics and stories told throughout the short history of mankind, could be a signal that we were developed to be accepting of our own sacrifice to the aliens when they came to use us as food/hosts/etc....
Otherwise, why else would these engineers go through so much trouble to plant seeds of life on earth? I'm open to other explanations, except for "just because they could."
The 'aliens are the ones giving orders to the Engineers' line of thought has some merit, maybe. On the sacrifice thing, the self-sacrifice has to be for a good reason though. Sacrificing yourself as the meal/host of a horrible alien doesn't fit the pattern of the self-sacrifice shown in the movie. I'll give you that the examples of self-sacrifice you cited exist (though Holloway's case isn't clear - he may have just wanted an end to his own pain) but I did not see them as forming an over-arching theme to the movie at all, the way you did.
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 03:41 PM (5Riy6)
Posted by: Jeffersonian at June 17, 2012 06:21 PM (gxCRt)
Yea, what's with that, anyway? There seems to be this idea in certain circles that in the future Mao suits are standard, wtf?
Posted by: KG at June 17, 2012 03:42 PM (IPz9m)
It's possible. But look at what the opening scene reveals: some sort of self-sacrificing ritual. They could have killed him where he stood on their spaceship, but instead traveled a few light years to one specific planet. The ritual of derobing, and then volitionally drinking from that cup, tends to lead me to this conclusion that it wasn't about some unexplained youthful acts, but something more, dare I say, spiritual in nature.
The reference to "2000 years ago" and "Christmas Day" and so forth kinda bolsters this underlying self-sacrifice theme. As opposed to us being a threat to them, it's possible the last Engineer wanted to destroy us because of what he saw when he was awoken (he couldn't have known what our capabilities were in that one room which is some sort of cockpit/navigation for the spaceship).
What did he see?
Non-human android and again, Weyland, an old man who probably represented the exact opposite of self-sacrifice: self-preservation. (plus a few hired guns of some sort). I think it is this, more than anything else, that explains why humans must be destroyed.
This also parallels how the host is sacrificed as an incubator for the aliens.
Posted by: modern crybaby at June 17, 2012 03:43 PM (2qDRX)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 03:44 PM (csi6Y)
I wish I hadn't seen it. I was supposed to be boycotting Ridley Scott after that two-hour-long blowjob to Islam he titled "Kingdom of Heaven". But I was weak; like I was weak when Alien 4 came out, and even Alien versus fucking Predator.
As for casting the 40 year old, that was because he'd had said 40 year old playing that character as a 40 year old in one of the teasers online.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at June 17, 2012 03:44 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 17, 2012 03:45 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: drawandstrike at June 17, 2012 06:28 PM (EERTp)
Most writers don't seem to understand how suspension of disbelief works. You can either suspend disbelief in the environment or in the characters, not both.
Posted by: Alex at June 17, 2012 03:46 PM (sy0Uv)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 03:46 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 17, 2012 03:47 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2012 03:47 PM (G9qZk)
Well, it showed of her ass, which is lovely. I'm not sure what the complaint is?
Are you gay?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 03:48 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Jeriko at June 17, 2012 03:48 PM (2K4aQ)
Posted by: Riding Through! Pardon Me! at June 17, 2012 03:48 PM (MG6Y6)
Side points:
-why did the atmosphere in the alien ship create oxygen for them to breath? Do we all really believe that the oxygen was need to get them to remove their helmets????
Interestingly, look at all those dead space jockeys in that ship: all had their helmets on. Man, something to this that even I had not previously considered. Very cool.
Posted by: modern crybaby at June 17, 2012 03:49 PM (2qDRX)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 03:49 PM (R+6Q+)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 03:50 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 03:50 PM (R+6Q+)
An excellent example of why I read this blog.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 03:50 PM (nEUpB)
They were doing some CGI on her. Her body's proportions were odd.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 03:51 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Noah Bawdy at June 17, 2012 03:52 PM (eK/Dm)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 03:52 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 06:44 PM (5Riy6)
Different planet.
Posted by: KG at June 17, 2012 03:53 PM (IPz9m)
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 17, 2012 03:53 PM (9+6PX)
Posted by: Jawkneemusic at June 17, 2012 03:53 PM (pnM0K)
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 07:41 PM (5Riy6)
Bullshit. Since when do self-aware, intelligent proto-humans take orders from hissing eating-pooping machines whose only response to civilization is SWARM KILL EAT FUCK BIRTH SWARM KILL EAT...etc
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 07:46 PM (csi6Y)
I didn't mean *those* aliens per se, as we now seem to have a whole spectrum of alien thingies, and maybe there's a higher form we haven't seen yet, especially as the movie looked like it's setting up for more prequels.
It was just a passing thought in response to what modern crybaby wrote. Not intended as a defense. I think I've made it clear from my other comments that I give this movie an F and that the writing was atrocious.
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 03:55 PM (5Riy6)
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 17, 2012 03:55 PM (Z9EHQ)
a few more things:
-if that's true about Del Toro, then that makes me even more confident in my view of this movies suggestions.
-Leviticus 22:3 - "If any one of your descendants touches these things, that person will become unclean. That person must be separated from me."
-how about the subtleties of the virgin birth on christmas day on LV223?
Posted by: modern crybaby at June 17, 2012 03:56 PM (2qDRX)
Larry Niven and his Pak Protectors are kinda like this. After age 40 a breeder eat this food that suddenly smells yummy. So a breeder turns into a hyper-intelligent leather skinned killing machine who is programmed to protect the breeders who smell right - ie its family. But the Protectors were smart enough to build their own weapons and solve problems.
As opposed to the acid blooded exo-skeleton aliens. Without a Queen, a soldier is a mindless killing machine seeking to survive.
And judging by what was shown in Prometheus, that alien goo bio-weapon is intended to wipe Engineer based life. Apparently the Engineers designed it too well and it got out. But what is left unsaid and why they leave the planet, did the bio-weapon get off LV-223 and wipe the rest of the Engineers out? Considering how rapid an Alien erupts from a host body, probably not.
The Engineers in the ensuing 2,000 years should have come back to LV-223 and nuked it. Only way to be sure. So perhaps something else got the Engineers and the bio-weapon on LV-223 is just an evil Easter egg no one was left to clean up. Until Prometheus. Big things start small after all.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 03:56 PM (sdna4)
Posted by: logprof at June 17, 2012 06:12 PM (xbo8p)
It did. Ten pounds of suckitude in a five pound bag. My worst waste of $8.50 in recent memory.
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 06:25 PM (5Riy6)
I saw The Avengers with my kid and I thought it blew (in parts), and this is supposed to be fifty times worse.
No thanks..
Posted by: TexasJew at June 17, 2012 03:58 PM (3GZGr)
Posted by: blaster at June 17, 2012 04:00 PM (HR5x9)
Posted by: Jawkneemusic at June 17, 2012 04:00 PM (pnM0K)
There are the research centers which are called pyramids. They are the mounds surrounded by ring walls. The one Prometheus investigates has a tunnel running off where a puppy glitches and thinks there is life. David gets past the blast door to find the control room of an Engineer ship.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 04:02 PM (sdna4)
Posted by: Evil Blogger Lady at June 17, 2012 04:03 PM (XkmMw)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 04:03 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: logprof at June 17, 2012 06:12 PM (xbo8p)
It did. Ten pounds of suckitude in a five pound bag. My worst waste of $8.50 in recent memory.
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 06:25 PM (5Riy6)
--Yeah, I figured. I'm not too concerned, now that with the babeh around there will not be movies out for a while. On the other hand, lots of Redbox . . . can;t wait for Act of Valor to be there.
Posted by: logprof at June 17, 2012 04:04 PM (xbo8p)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 04:04 PM (R+6Q+)
Posted by: Rogue Space Herpe at June 17, 2012 04:04 PM (Y6J63)
Posted by: drawandstrike at June 17, 2012 04:05 PM (EERTp)
Posted by: blaster at June 17, 2012 04:05 PM (HR5x9)
Posted by: dogfish at June 17, 2012 04:07 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 04:07 PM (R+6Q+)
Posted by: Space Jesus Seeding a Planet: Gospel of Ridley at June 17, 2012 04:07 PM (G9qZk)
There's another aspect not mentioned so far. In the time between when the first engineer drinks that stuff and seeds his DNA on the planet to the 'present'...the cave paintings seemed to indicate some kind of contact between the engineers and ourselves in prehistoric times and so there were those paintings with that star pattern with a figure reaching towards it.
So maybe the engineers were teaching us how to build pyramids and stuff in the past but eventually decided we were a threat...too hostile or something and decided to wipe us out.
Posted by: CanaDave at June 17, 2012 04:08 PM (lJSgG)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 04:08 PM (sdna4)
Posted by: Nxon/Elvis 2016 at June 17, 2012 04:08 PM (OJa6r)
Didn't take much to talk him into heroic suicide. No, hey maybe we can shoot out the engines, or disable the navigation. Nope, just jumped straight to kamikazee mass death.
Yeah, it was like jumping a row of shark shaped tanks tanks filled with sharks on shark powered shark skis.
Posted by: Max Power at June 17, 2012 04:09 PM (vl841)
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 17, 2012 04:09 PM (Z9EHQ)
There have been a few other besides 2001 that were like that. Andromeda Strain (1971), Contact, some sleepers like Phase IV and The Forbin Project.
Ridley may think Prometheus is real science fiction, or maybe just doesn't care. Either way, fuck him.
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at June 17, 2012 04:10 PM (luqsa)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 04:10 PM (sdna4)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 04:10 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2012 04:12 PM (YdQQY)
Janek: They're smart enough not to conduct their bio-warfare experiments on their home planet.
Which is it?
Posted by: Andy at June 17, 2012 04:13 PM (9yau1)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 04:13 PM (R+6Q+)
Are you gay?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 07:48 PM (nEUpB)
Um, Mao suit? Hey if that's your thing...
Posted by: KG at June 17, 2012 04:14 PM (IPz9m)
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 17, 2012 04:14 PM (9+6PX)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 04:15 PM (R+6Q+)
Posted by: drawandstrike at June 17, 2012 04:15 PM (EERTp)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 04:15 PM (sdna4)
It doesn't work that way. There is no predetermination possible in genetic code. Just the limitations of the biochemistry.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 04:15 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: DrDrill at June 17, 2012 04:15 PM (ixdY+)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 04:16 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 04:16 PM (ejmiE)
Mao suit, mumu, biker shorts. I don't care. As long as the feminine form is displayed artfully I am happy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 04:17 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 04:18 PM (csi6Y)
WTF?
Posted by: Andy at June 17, 2012 04:18 PM (9yau1)
Anna Puma...yeah, it seems to be implied that the engineers knew us for a time and then decided to destroy us. While they were making their weapon at the facility, it got away from them and destroyed them instead...either that or there was a conflict among them as to whether we should be destroyed or not and the weapon infected them...there seems to be a couple of dead engineers guarding the door to the ship.
10,000 years pass and gives us time to make ships capable of star travel so we can go ask them WTF?
Posted by: CanaDave at June 17, 2012 04:18 PM (lJSgG)
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I am not a sci-fi fan. Never have been, but I do appreciate a great movie, and both Alien and Aliens were outstanding movies.
Star Wars, however; showed in theaters when I was a tween. It was the first movie my mother ever allowed my sister and I to attend without an adult and we walked out and hung in the lobby for most of it. Since then, I've watched it and kinda liked it, but it's definitely not my favorite genre.
Posted by: Elizabeth Gilbert at June 17, 2012 04:19 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Andy at June 17, 2012 04:19 PM (9yau1)
Comparing the DNA of a three-foot tall dwarf and a Six-foot underwear model will yield 99.99% symmetry.
The coding for the Engineers and the coding for humans could be essentially identical.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 04:20 PM (nEUpB)
Yoshi, it depends. Was Portman's team really supposed to emulate a real science team? We know Shaw and Holloway's team was supposed to be. So Prometheus wins.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 04:20 PM (sdna4)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 08:18 PM (csi6Y)
I didn't see Thor, but don't see how anything in it could top the WTF-ness of them taking off their helmets.
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 04:21 PM (5Riy6)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 04:21 PM (ejmiE)
Ah, the voice of reason.
The 3D was beautiful, the effects were great, and the story was meh. But it was worth $20 (I saw it in NYC) just for the spectacle of 3D iMax.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 04:21 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 17, 2012 04:22 PM (Z9EHQ)
They couldn't have shown some turbo-healing device? Staples?
WTF?
Posted by: Andy at June 17, 2012 04:23 PM (9yau1)
Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2012 04:23 PM (G9qZk)
Doing good myself. Reading Finnish folklore, luckily translated into English. And having fun on this thread pointing out Ridley Scott's sci-fi opus is in fact a bust.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 04:24 PM (sdna4)
Oh, and on the Aliens growing without mass intake, heh, that's nothing. Let's talk about the rate of heat production. It would cook itself to death growing that fast.
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Well, the Xenomorph got dipped in molten lead in Alien 3 and still survived, so they must be pretty heat resistant. Cold resistant too seeing as they were moving around in hard vacuum in Alien 1 and 2
Posted by: CanaDave at June 17, 2012 04:24 PM (lJSgG)
Ridley Scott never gave a crap about science.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 08:16 PM (csi6Y)
Yeesh...
"Alien " was totally scientific.
The chestburster was a balloon that inflated using one of the many spurting steam ports aboard the Nostromo into the adult Alien.
The adult balloon Alien weighed no more than 5.2kg. that is, until it was filled with yummy human guts.
The science is settled people.
Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2012 08:23 PM (G9qZk)
Get out of the basement kids.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at June 17, 2012 04:25 PM (ZOf1l)
And if somebody could explain to me the point of the existence of Charlize Theron's character, I'd be impressed. It's not like she showed her tits or anything.
Here's the sort of thing that bothered me. If I was in a room on a ship with several other people, and one of our female crew members walked through the door in her underwear and covered in blood, I think that I and the others would ask her about that. Or at least register some level of surprise and confusion on our faces. And I don't think that she would simply begin to engage us in conversation. And if she did, I would not reply with anything except, "Jesus Christ! You're in your underwear and covered in blood! What the f*ck!"
But maybe fashion is different in the future. Maybe in-your-underwear-and-covered-in-blood is the new black.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 17, 2012 04:25 PM (celt+)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 08:17 PM (nEUpB)
Mao suit is far away from artfully displaying the feminine form, but as I said, if that's your thing...
Posted by: KG at June 17, 2012 04:25 PM (IPz9m)
It's a movie. Has anyone heard of "suspension of disbelief?"
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 04:25 PM (nEUpB)
-why did they take their helmets of? did you not get the line about the oxygen being purer than it is on earth?
Posted by: modern crybaby at June 17, 2012 04:25 PM (2qDRX)
Posted by: Fritz at June 17, 2012 04:25 PM (ZN5qR)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 04:26 PM (R+6Q+)
Eh...her tits were mediocre. Why would you care?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 04:26 PM (nEUpB)
Besides which, we're explicitly told that Portman et al are a shoestring operation, semi-amateur, kind of eccentric and sloppy. The bunch in Prometheus are supposedly the best people hired by the richest man in the world. Their techniques should be flawless. Instead, they're the ones who act like morons, running around without pants drinking mysterious fluids.
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 17, 2012 04:27 PM (9+6PX)
Posted by: Brian in BC at June 17, 2012 04:27 PM (3lxx0)
Granted. My biggest problem is with the dropback from the original Engineer.
Posted by: Andy at June 17, 2012 04:27 PM (9yau1)
-why did they take their helmets of? did you not get the line about the oxygen being purer than it is on earth?
Posted by: modern crybaby at June 17, 2012 08:25 PM (2qDRX)
Yes, I got the line about the oxygen. There's still this little thing called biological contamination.
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 04:28 PM (5Riy6)
Absolutely, because anything science fiction should be treated like a low budget skinemax movie. Knock it off with the science fiction Hollywood, you really suck at it.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at June 17, 2012 04:28 PM (ZOf1l)
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 17, 2012 04:29 PM (Z9EHQ)
Eh? What's a dropback from the original engineer?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 04:30 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 04:30 PM (sdna4)
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 17, 2012 04:30 PM (Z9EHQ)
Well, there's that.
But then don't drop in things like Lawrence of Arabia that grounds the movie in the here-and-now.
That was one of the best things about Star Wars. The world was completely alien.
Posted by: Andy at June 17, 2012 04:31 PM (9yau1)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 04:31 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: modern crybaby at June 17, 2012 04:31 PM (2qDRX)
The price? Painful, but it was a great time.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 04:31 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 04:31 PM (ejmiE)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 04:31 PM (sdna4)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 04:32 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 17, 2012 04:32 PM (Z9EHQ)
I liked Prometheus.
Sure it was full of plot holes and one dimensional characters, but to be honest, so were Ridley Scott's sci-fi classics "Alien" and "Blade Runner". I do hope the sequel is better written though. The dialog was cringe inducing at points.
As for the unaswered questions aspect of the film, that's kind of the whole point. Some questions will never have answers. But unanswered questions are far better than questions that have terrifying answers.
Posted by: Ernie McCracken at June 17, 2012 04:33 PM (ZETiK)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 04:33 PM (csi6Y)
But the connection to earth is exactly why in 1979 many of the younger morons had horrible nightmares or simply didn't sleep for a few days after seeing the original.
But...you are correct that a perfectly unfamiliar world allows easier suspension of disbelief.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 04:33 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 04:33 PM (sdna4)
Posted by: modern crybaby at June 17, 2012 08:31 PM (2qDRX)
The movie gives us no reason to care one way or the other.
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 04:34 PM (5Riy6)
Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2012 04:35 PM (G9qZk)
Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2012 04:35 PM (DHBCd)
I just don't see the problem.
But then I have been drinking since 3:30pm, so I also don't see a problem with having another sazerac.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 04:35 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 04:36 PM (ejmiE)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 04:36 PM (sdna4)
Nah, don't believe it. It's worth the price of a ticket. If you can see the first show and not pay full price...even better. But this movie is worth seeing in a 3D IMAX theater just for the effects.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 04:38 PM (nEUpB)
Prometheus plot device: The Engineers look like man.
Shaw: The Engineers are God.
WTF?
Posted by: Andy at June 17, 2012 04:38 PM (9yau1)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at June 17, 2012 04:39 PM (ZOf1l)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 04:39 PM (ejmiE)
you peel back one layer, you'll find another. the question of "are you a droid" directed at her was pretty plain. perhaps it has some relevance that we're not seeing right away? I'm glad you easily dispose of it so quickly without further thought.
Posted by: modern crybaby at June 17, 2012 04:39 PM (2qDRX)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 04:40 PM (csi6Y)
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There's NO WAY Wile E. Coyote survived all those anvils to the head without suffering some serious brain damage! How does he just get back up like that?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 17, 2012 04:41 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 17, 2012 04:41 PM (Z9EHQ)
Shaw thought the engineers are gods. according to the story, they did create us, but does that actually make them God? Who created them? The aliens? Who created the aliens....?
Shaw actually says this towards the end of the movie. Who created them?
Posted by: modern crybaby at June 17, 2012 04:42 PM (2qDRX)
Of course. Don't forget where this movie was made.
Hollywood will never, ever pass on a chance to denigrate religion.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 04:42 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Andy at June 17, 2012 04:42 PM (9yau1)
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 17, 2012 04:43 PM (Z9EHQ)
Really? Last I saw, she was pissed at them for creating us and then wanting to destroy us. Which is it?
Posted by: Andy at June 17, 2012 04:43 PM (9yau1)
*****
In the Muppet Movie, when Kermit is riding the bike, you can look at those bony legs just once and recognize that they aren't strong enough to pedal a bike.
I bet they used some sort of automatic device to turn the wheels.
Did they really think we'd fall for that?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 17, 2012 04:43 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 17, 2012 04:43 PM (celt+)
Fritz Lang's Metropolis
The Day the Earth Stood Still - not the remake.
George Pal's War of the Worlds.
George Pal's The Time Machine
Forbidden Planet
Them
2001: A Space Odyssey
Blade Runner - any of the 50 versions
Alien
Aliens
Star Wars IV - A New Hope
Star Trek II The Wrath of Kahn
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Just ones that easily pop to mind
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 04:43 PM (sdna4)
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 17, 2012 04:44 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 04:45 PM (ejmiE)
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 17, 2012 04:45 PM (Z9EHQ)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 04:47 PM (sdna4)
Absolutely!
Lord of The Rings used to be one (three) of my favorite movies, but now that you have made that unassailable point, I will discard it as unbelievable.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 04:47 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: steevy at June 17, 2012 04:47 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 04:48 PM (ejmiE)
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The Acme corporation is very diverse. Their hands are into everything.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 17, 2012 04:49 PM (piMMO)
Rumor is that there's a directors cut that does this, but why in the hell wouldn't this have been the theatrical release? 99.2% of the pre-release buzz about the movie can be summed up as "ZOMFG!11! Ridley Scott Alien!!1!".
Posted by: Andy at June 17, 2012 04:49 PM (9yau1)
you peel back one layer, you'll find another. the question of "are you a droid" directed at her was pretty plain. perhaps it has some relevance that we're not seeing right away? I'm glad you easily dispose of it so quickly without further thought.
Posted by: modern crybaby at June 17, 2012 08:39 PM (2qDRX)
I proclaimed it sucked, not that it was stupid. But you can have that as a corollary.
It's precisely because I have given it further thought that I realize there are plot holes you could drive an Engineer's ship through. If you want to sew all the loose threads in this film into some internalized tapestry of complex awesomeness, you at least need to be grounded enough in reality to understand that that internal interpretation is unique to you, and is not what was on the screen. I'm happy for you that you liked this film, but dismissing anyone who didn't like it with insults is immature.
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 04:49 PM (5Riy6)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 04:50 PM (sdna4)
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That's why you always hear people exclaim "Don't look down!" I think it's part of the OSHA regulations now.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 17, 2012 04:51 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 04:52 PM (ejmiE)
Shall we have a poll of our favorite science fiction movies?
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Predator 1
Serenity
Aliens
John Carpenter's The Thing
Red Dwarf (TV series)
Stargate SG-1 (TV series)
The Black Hole
Them!
Tremors
Posted by: CanaDave at June 17, 2012 04:54 PM (lJSgG)
Posted by: steevy at June 17, 2012 04:55 PM (Xb3hu)
I understand your point about the plot, but I simply don't care that much about whether it is internally consistent. I enjoyed the movie for what it was: a great technical achievement coupled to a mediocre plot.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 04:55 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Scobface at June 17, 2012 04:55 PM (IoNBC)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 04:57 PM (R+6Q+)
Posted by: SparcVark at June 17, 2012 04:57 PM (p72M3)
Not so bad with our volume discount.
Watch out for the ASO scam. The discounted item is what the pros call an Anvil Shaped Object.
Posted by: Zombie Thomas Jefferson at June 17, 2012 04:58 PM (dBvlk)
Good review.
Ace will be expanding it to 12,000 words in the next few days.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 04:58 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 04:59 PM (ejmiE)
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at June 17, 2012 04:59 PM (dBvlk)
RINO scum!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 08:52 PM (nEUpB)
Wait, are views on Alien movies now tied to conservative purity? (panics) Where's my Mittbot training materials? (searches frantically)
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 04:59 PM (5Riy6)
Then I proceeded to drive the drooling fan boys of the movie nutz with the following observation. So you are telling me for 20 years the Klingons had a 24th Century Romulan mining ship and did nothing with it?
If the writers of Prometheus had pared down the crew a bit so there are fewer competing for screen time, they could have fleshed out the characters better. And I would not still be thinking Dr. Shaw is named Ross. Also when David put on his Tron helmet when they got to LV-223 was too early a hint Weyland was aboard ship. And how many different rooms and levels Prometheus have? And when Shaw was getting the anime tentacle monster out of her womb, how come Vickers was not busting up in there immediately screaming about Shaw abusing her living quarters.
The opening and David losing himself into Lawrence of Arabia gave me hope this movie was going to be smart. Instead I was treated to bad writing, one-dimensional characters, and cool effects. In other words Avatar.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 04:59 PM (sdna4)
So...I guess that "I promise I won't cum in your mouth" probably won't work on you.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 05:01 PM (nEUpB)
I have a time quake approaching!
Posted by: Rogue Space Herpe at June 17, 2012 05:02 PM (Y6J63)
Posted by: lowandslow at June 17, 2012 05:02 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: steevy at June 17, 2012 05:02 PM (Xb3hu)
The Romney campaign programmers have been working frantically all week to beta test the "Prometheus" upgrade to the Romney software. They'll be pushing the upgrade tonight.
Look for Romney 4.2.11. It has a telltale alien head on the CD.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 05:03 PM (nEUpB)
I liked the film; beautiful camera work, special effects, interesting story even though it was not fleshed out completely. There were plot holes and incredibly dumb explorers, but that was to some extent to be expected. Bottom line, was not expecting Alien, but was slightly disappointed overall. I graded it out as a low B due to the special effects and seeing it in 3D.
All I can say is I have seen bad Sci-Fi and this is not Dune. Dune is without a doubt the worst Sci-Fi film followed closely by the John Travolta's Battlefield Earth. Now that was bad Sci-Fi.
Posted by: Budahmon at June 17, 2012 05:03 PM (5sVw0)
Posted by: nickless at June 17, 2012 05:04 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 17, 2012 05:04 PM (9+6PX)
Posted by: Darth Rove at June 17, 2012 05:04 PM (ED8o6)
Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2012 05:04 PM (G9qZk)
Gladiator
Now go home and get your fucking shinebox.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 05:04 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 05:04 PM (ejmiE)
It's too late. Romney has already become self-aware.
Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at June 17, 2012 05:06 PM (HtUdo)
How bad would Dune have been had it not been (loosely) based on what may be the greatest SciFi book ever written?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 05:06 PM (nEUpB)
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Were there lots of penises/peni in those as well?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 17, 2012 05:06 PM (piMMO)
Crybaby, only a blind retard would think that. Obviously Ridley Scott is a fan of AR-15's. LV = Love. 223 = .223 Remington. It's so fucking obvious. Seriously, you can't let the first layer of meaning distract you from the TRUE meaning of these references.
Posted by: J. Random Dude at June 17, 2012 05:06 PM (72afg)
Battlefield Earth ... Burn it!!!
AI would have been good if they had left off the feel-good ending of the aliens re-awakening David.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 05:06 PM (sdna4)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 17, 2012 05:07 PM (niZvt)
- Where did the live mealworms that fell into the WMD black goop come from? It looked like they were in a glass capsule that a scientist stepped on. Did one of the scientists bring mealworms into the alien structure for no good reason, or did the engineers have a mealworm capsule in the chamber filled with super-dangerous mutagens?
The black jars were sweating thus mutating the mealy bugs into the xenomorph.
Posted by: Darth Rove at June 17, 2012 05:08 PM (ED8o6)
Is everyone still dissecting Prometheus, or have we moved on to idle speculation regarding Mehgan McCain's favorite sex position?
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I think we've pretty much dissected it until we get the Director's Cut.
Posted by: CanaDave at June 17, 2012 05:08 PM (lJSgG)
Posted by: SparcVark at June 17, 2012 05:08 PM (p72M3)
Posted by: Tommy V at June 17, 2012 05:08 PM (iJ5jJ)
I'll bet she is a passive lover who expects her partner to do all the work.
Of course, with all those extra pounds she probably has trouble just rolling over, so it's not really her fault.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 05:09 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Jar Jar Binks at June 17, 2012 05:09 PM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 17, 2012 05:09 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 05:10 PM (csi6Y)
Bingo! It's like Weyland found the stupidest human beings on the planet and sent them on the most important mission ever.
Posted by: Andy at June 17, 2012 05:11 PM (9yau1)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 05:11 PM (sdna4)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 05:12 PM (ejmiE)
Posted by: steevy at June 17, 2012 05:12 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 17, 2012 05:13 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 05:13 PM (csi6Y)
I understand your point about the plot, but I simply don't care that much about whether it is internally consistent. I enjoyed the movie for what it was: a great technical achievement coupled to a mediocre plot.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 08:55 PM (nEUpB)
Different strokes for different folks. I'm the opposite of you I guess. Don't care about the special effects. From that point of view, yes, the movie brings something to the screen.
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 05:13 PM (o6oy6)
You can't possibly be that emotionally invested in a movie discussion.
Stop playing with your dad's computer...you'll get in trouble when he finds out.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 05:13 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Rodney King, Dead as a Hammer at June 17, 2012 05:14 PM (IoNBC)
Haven't seen it yet; that's just my surmise. Just that shot of what I guess is now called The Engineer was enough to tip me off.
Posted by: jwpaine at June 17, 2012 05:14 PM (FUozQ)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 17, 2012 05:15 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 17, 2012 05:15 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 05:15 PM (R+6Q+)
Works for me.
And of course that's part of the fun of these discussions.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 05:15 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 05:15 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: steevy at June 17, 2012 05:16 PM (Xb3hu)
You're a braver man than I.
I was bleeding from my eyes by the end of my first and only viewing of it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 05:16 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 17, 2012 05:17 PM (jucos)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 17, 2012 05:17 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 17, 2012 05:18 PM (jucos)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 05:18 PM (ejmiE)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 05:19 PM (sdna4)
Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2012 05:20 PM (G9qZk)
Posted by: Joe Biden, Class Clown (Retired) at June 17, 2012 05:21 PM (IoNBC)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 17, 2012 05:21 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 17, 2012 05:21 PM (9+6PX)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 05:21 PM (sdna4)
Posted by: mytralman at June 17, 2012 05:22 PM (iLqV+)
Posted by: steevy at June 17, 2012 05:22 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 05:23 PM (ejmiE)
Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2012 05:25 PM (G9qZk)
Posted by: mrp at June 17, 2012 05:26 PM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 17, 2012 05:28 PM (44/AS)
Posted by: steevy at June 17, 2012 05:28 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 17, 2012 05:29 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2012 05:29 PM (uekSI)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 05:31 PM (ejmiE)
While you're getting your shinebox, fetch me a juicebox as well
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at June 17, 2012 05:31 PM (QTHTd)
Whoa! Is there really a SyFy "Dune" mini-series?
Posted by: mrp at June 17, 2012 05:32 PM (HjPtV)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 17, 2012 05:32 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 05:32 PM (R+6Q+)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 05:32 PM (ejmiE)
That is what the Engineers should have been, Elrond type Elves. And a video recording of them creating humans, watching what we have done, and then have them doing an American Idol vote: Nuke the Humans or Not Nuke the Humans.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 05:33 PM (sdna4)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 05:34 PM (ejmiE)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 05:34 PM (R+6Q+)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 05:35 PM (ejmiE)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 09:21 PM (sdna4)
Solaris is a great science fiction novel, but the Soviet film version based on it loses most of the "Solaristics" developed in the novel and the pacing is execrable (as I recall, it takes over an hour for Kelvin to arrive on the space station in the movie, as opposed to one fairly brief chapter in the book). Of course, the Hollywood film based on the Soviet film is far worse.
Posted by: DKCZ at June 17, 2012 05:36 PM (9/bcB)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 05:38 PM (ejmiE)
Posted by: steevy at June 17, 2012 05:38 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 05:39 PM (sdna4)
Posted by: CanaDave at June 17, 2012 05:39 PM (lJSgG)
Posted by: steevy at June 17, 2012 05:39 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 05:40 PM (R+6Q+)
Posted by: steevy at June 17, 2012 05:41 PM (Xb3hu)
Shall we settle this like gentlemen? Pistols at 20 paces.
Ignoring the absolutely smoking hot chick who played Lucilla, the battle scenes were great, and the gladiatorial contests were fun.
No movie can represent the politics of the Roman Empire with any degree of accuracy, but this one did a fair job. And the cinematography was pretty good too.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 05:41 PM (nEUpB)
Thanks for the GL flashback, pal.
I enjoyed watching "The Fifth Element". And "Outland" was pretty good, too.
Posted by: mrp at June 17, 2012 05:42 PM (HjPtV)
Posted by: steevy at June 17, 2012 05:42 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: Myron at June 17, 2012 05:42 PM (mnX32)
Posted by: steevy at June 17, 2012 05:43 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 05:44 PM (R+6Q+)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 05:45 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: steevy at June 17, 2012 05:45 PM (Xb3hu)
"The Fifth Element" is one of my guilty pleasures. So ridiculous as to be entertaining.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 05:46 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2012 05:46 PM (G9qZk)
Posted by: eman at June 17, 2012 05:47 PM (ejmiE)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 05:48 PM (R+6Q+)
I find Jovovich to be oddly appealing too.
The fact that she is pretty much naked during many scenes has nothing to do with it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 17, 2012 05:48 PM (nEUpB)
"Lord of The Rings used to be one (three) of my favorite movies, but now that you have made that unassailable point, I will discard it as unbelievable."
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I don't think "suspension of disbelief" means what you think it does. Let me try to explain.
"Lord of the Rings" has self-contained logic and characters who act in believable fashions. Now, imagine if in the third act, a team of time-traveling scientists came to Middle Earth with a Cessna and offered Sam and Frodo a flight to Mount Doom. And when they got there, Frodo laughed maniacally and said, "You fools! I'm a spy for Sauron! And though I covet this ring, I shall give it to him! BWAHAHAHA!!!"
Would you suspend your disbelief at what you were seeing?
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 17, 2012 05:48 PM (celt+)
My vote would go to Warlords of Atlantis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlords_of_Atlantis
That clunker had me sound asleep within 30 minutes..and I can sit through some pretty horrible shit without nodding off.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 17, 2012 05:49 PM (XbRPt)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 05:49 PM (csi6Y)
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Product placement is your sign of quality literature.
Posted by: Staples, purveyor of quality office products at June 17, 2012 05:51 PM (1c58W)
I noticed that one of the writers was Damon Lindelof, who was also one of the creators of "Lost". This movie left me with the same feeling as "Lost", a great disappointment at what could have been.
Also, if conservatives are going to do a movie w/ an abortion sequence, they should have the aborted fetus be a benevolent superbeing that saves everybody, not an abhorrent space-goo-thingy. We need to get on the enemy's level w/ the whole hidden-messages thing.
Posted by: norrin radd at June 17, 2012 05:52 PM (sDcVp)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at June 17, 2012 05:54 PM (0d0K7)
Posted by: lowandslow at June 17, 2012 05:54 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 05:57 PM (R+6Q+)
As my wife and I watched the opening credits, I saw Lindelhof's name as a writer, and said out loud, "Oh, shit."
I knew we were in for two hours of episodic mystery with zero payoff strung together by scenes that had little or nothing to do with advancing the plot, whatever it might be.
He and J.J. Abrams must be kept far from writing implements.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 17, 2012 05:59 PM (celt+)
Posted by: Bong-Smoking Individual at June 17, 2012 05:59 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: Scobface at June 17, 2012 06:02 PM (IoNBC)
Posted by: Neo at June 17, 2012 06:03 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Fritz at June 17, 2012 06:03 PM (ZN5qR)
Posted by: teej at June 17, 2012 06:05 PM (ETWo2)
Posted by: Clemenza at June 17, 2012 06:08 PM (qA9lG)
Posted by: Clemenza at June 17, 2012 06:09 PM (qA9lG)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 06:10 PM (R+6Q+)
Posted by: Back to the Future II at June 17, 2012 06:13 PM (piMMO)
Creature From the Black Lagoon was even better simply because there was never any pretense that it was a funny stupid sci-fi flick. The losers now who feel that sci-fi movies today need a serious discussion are the ones who need to learn pretense.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at June 17, 2012 06:13 PM (ZOf1l)
Posted by: Bong-Smoking Individual at June 17, 2012 06:16 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 06:18 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at June 17, 2012 10:13 PM (ZOf1l)
You say this on a thread devoted to discussing a sci-fi movie. Just pointing out the irony. Not trying to be mean-spirited.
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 06:19 PM (o6oy6)
And by the way does anyone know why the surgery module was calibrated for men only?? Did Charlize Theron have a dick, and was the captain turned on by that?!
:/
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 10:18 PM (csi6Y)
I read that as the writers not so subtle hint Weyland is alive and aboard ship.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 06:22 PM (sdna4)
Touche'.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at June 17, 2012 10:20 PM (ZOf1l)
I'll actually concede your point though, this would have been a much better movie without the pretense of deep philosophicness... philisophicalness... philo - screw it, you get the idea.
Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at June 17, 2012 06:26 PM (o6oy6)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 06:30 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: elizabethe at June 17, 2012 06:30 PM (HJLWl)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2012 06:33 PM (R+6Q+)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 06:37 PM (sdna4)
Posted by: Fritz at June 17, 2012 06:39 PM (ZN5qR)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 06:43 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 06:43 PM (csi6Y)
Really late to the party, but after reading the comments it seems my prediction that the movie was going to be awful has been proven correct. When Mrs. Cop and I were at the theater a few months ago, we saw the first trailer for Prometheus: the trailer was a couple of minutes of people screaming, running and shit blowing up -- with not a single word of dialog uttered during the entire trailer.
My reaction was WTF!!!eleventy and told Mrs. Cop the movie was a piece of crap and they just got done showing us the good parts.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at June 17, 2012 06:47 PM (M0NzJ)
When Vickers grasped Weyland's hand I was waiting for her to stick a dagger through his heart. That was one of the few places in the movie where there was some emotion.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2012 06:51 PM (sdna4)
Posted by: Clutch at June 17, 2012 06:54 PM (4P4ww)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 17, 2012 07:02 PM (csi6Y)
Posted by: Ed at June 17, 2012 07:09 PM (K0Wn2)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2012 07:14 PM (Rhie+)
Posted by: Synova at June 17, 2012 07:14 PM (7/PU+)
gee, I wonder what happened to our mission crew members when all the suits have camera's on them, I guess in the future cameras are incapable of recording anything, 9) the alien helmet perfectly preserved the alien's head for 2000 years, huh?, 10) the first thing they do when they see the alien head is stick an electrod into it to "trick it into thinking it is still alive", WTF!, 11) android and crew decide to freeze pregnant doctor (I guess a call back to Burke's plan with Ripley & Newt in ALIENS) but she fights them back and runs off AND THEY NEVER GO AFTER HER, so she has time to use the robot doctor to get a make shift abortion even though it is not programmed (for some odd reason never explained) to work on women, 12) was this an ALIEN prequel or not, it had completely new monsters that DID ALMOST THE EXACT SAME thing as the original monsters..... why not just give us the original monsters, well they sorta did at the end I think in an attempt to satisfy fans of the original, 13) uh, you can run sideways when a big thing is rolling towards you in a straight line, 14) how did the space jockey know where SHAW was at the end, hell how did he even know she was alive? Seriously, take away the RIDLEY SCOTT name and the 200 million dollar visuals and this was a SCI-FI (SYFY?) movie of the week at best.Posted by: Drakkir at June 17, 2012 07:16 PM (bkeuv)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2012 07:28 PM (Rhie+)
Didn't care for it. Found it stupid and boring. If the whole "the old Emperor must sacrifice himself so the new can take over" premise I've read about is true, then Scott should have axed the 5 minutes of admittedly very pretty shots of the bizarre landscape of Iceland at the beginning of the movie and had a scene with the first engineer getting ready to die on Earth so new life could arise.
First Engineer staring at a jar of black goo and working up his nerve.
Second and Third Engineer enter room. "It is time." one of them says.
First Engineer- "The old must pass so the new can grow". Then cut to the scene from the movie of him standing by the waterfall as the spaceship leaves.
But that doesn't explain why they have several thousands of gallons of the stuff laying around on the military ship in the future. And of course, none of it is locked up in bio-hazard shelves or anything. Just in jars on the floor- no worries about them tipping over and spilling or anything like that. And of course the lids are made of something diferent than the rest of the jar so they can dissolve on exposure to air from the rest of the ship. So the "Engineers" must be the stupidest genetic engineers in the universe, with the scientists on the Prometheus being the second.
Posted by: Darth Randall at June 17, 2012 07:43 PM (lxc0s)
That applies only to Alien 4. There was no *explicit* reference to that in Aliens (or Alien 3, if I recall it correctly).
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at June 17, 2012 07:54 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Deanna at June 17, 2012 07:54 PM (8+9Yi)
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Posted by: GSain at June 17, 2012 08:25 PM (6EOgE)
Why does Weyland-Yutani or whatever company/government is in charge always want aliens for the "bio-weapons" division? Weapons to use against whom? Do we ever hear of other nations/planets etc that they are at war with that would require some sort of bio-weapon to fight?
It's not like there aren't plenty of other Weapons of Mass Destruction easily available and with way less randomness and risk to all involved: they can nuke things from orbit, have canisters of nerve gas, etc...etc...
Posted by: Coldstream at June 17, 2012 08:29 PM (qrCKL)
Having the Engineers empty the sewage tanks of their spaceship on Earth would have been more believable than the 'sacrifice' thing...
Too bad they didn't blow a little of that big budget on writing a better script (I wonder if G. Lucas helped write it...)
Posted by: You Heard It Here First, Now Spread It Like An STD at June 17, 2012 08:36 PM (4lcDs)
Posted by: Z Ryan at June 17, 2012 08:54 PM (tsC/8)
Posted by: Anna Puma
I think those were future AI, not aliens. (still wasn't good)
Posted by: Z Ryan at June 17, 2012 08:56 PM (tsC/8)
Death by alien isn't that humane though. Maybe the black goo has broken down over time and mutates things instead of breaking them down to DNA levels?
Posted by: Deathknyte at June 17, 2012 09:40 PM (MmXtR)
Posted by: lowandslow at June 17, 2012 09:41 PM (GZitp)
So, which is it? Suspension of disbelief required because I am too moronic to realize I'm watching a movie or the grand theme of sacrifice for which I must be fed breadcrumbs because I am a moronic to realize? Besides fx and design, this movie sucks. Also, one of the worst soundtracks ever. Flashing loud minor chords is effective if used sparingly (as in the online trailer). Credit given for not being Avatar (Field of Dreams in space), but this movie could have been so much better. None of the characters exhibited anything resembling sensible/sympathetic behavior. If Ridley Scott had control of this movie and he let this version be the theatrical release, I don't think I will watch any movie over which he has any control.
Posted by: swaga at June 17, 2012 09:53 PM (ZSMS+)
Posted by: swaga at June 17, 2012 09:56 PM (ZSMS+)
Saw it today for the first time.
My thoughts? What the Hell.
Seriously. Those people were all dumb enough that they deserved to die. All of them.
Posted by: BlackCross5 at June 17, 2012 10:00 PM (LazX2)
Posted by: swaga
Only complete fucking idiots needed you to say that. It was clearly the subtext of your post. It's like they didn't even read it!
Posted by: Z Ryan at June 17, 2012 10:14 PM (tsC/8)
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Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at June 18, 2012 07:43 AM (nBE5A)
Ditto; wasted my time on this Friday.
More plot holes than a cemetery. A completely pointless movie.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 18, 2012 08:33 AM (SY2Kh)
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Posted by: Stacy B Slay at June 18, 2012 01:04 PM (7qrQU)
Yes there were a few minor plot holes but none that were fatal. Lots of movies these days have plot errors - I think Prometheus fares better than most in this regard.
The visuals (especially when seen in 3D) were absolutely breathtaking. This is definitely a movie that shines on the big screen - it won't be nearly as good when seen at home on DVD (or streamed).
Definitely worth the ticket price.
I'd give it a 4 out of 5 stars.
Posted by: GrindingMetal at June 18, 2012 10:08 PM (Gim9y)
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I mean was Prometheus the best sci-fi movie ever? Hell no. But was it the WORST? Lord NO. It's not even close to Starship Troopers level, much less Avatar level.
I've seen much, MUCH worse than Prometheus.
It was, however, incredibly disappointing. I voted B, but now that I think about it, I should drop it down to a C. It was just average.
Posted by: BoB at June 17, 2012 01:27 PM (bw34S)