March 04, 2012
— Gabriel Malor G'morning from sunny California! I don't have anything like the thoughtful book threads that Monty does, but I spotted this interesting piece in the Financial Times this morning and it seems to be right up our alley:
Show me the money
By John Lanchester
The author of a bestseller on the economic crisis asks why the literary world is wary of finance[...]
You can assemble an entire canon of the greatest English language poets from men who had lengthy professional careers in the world of money and administration, from Geoffrey Chaucer (customs) to Edmund Spenser (government and administration) to John Milton (ditto) all the way through to TS Eliot (banking and publishing) and Stevens – and this entire pantheon barely touches on the world of work and money. If it seems unreasonable to expect poets to write about practical matters, well, it can be done: bear in mind that Virgil’s Georgics had the explicit ambition of being a guide to farming, as well as an account of the pastoral year – an ambition picked up by Ted Hughes in Moortown Diary poems.
The gap in the canon of fiction is even more conspicuous. Novels, as Iris Murdoch once observed, “are full of stuff”. She meant stuff as in things, objects, places, but also in the sense of information, events, coming and going. The “stuff” in novels touches on every aspect of the world and people’s lives. That’s what makes it so remarkable just how little there is in the novel about the world of money. Take Jane Austen. Her work is astonishingly fresh in almost every respect, and its psychological insights are as applicable to the early 21st century as they were to the early 19th. Part of what is so bracingly contemporary about her is her complete lack of self-deception about the importance of money to her characters’ lives, especially their love lives. But there’s nothing about money in and of itself; nothing about how this central aspect of the world actually works.
It's long, but worth the read.
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Posted by: Arbalest at March 04, 2012 09:42 AM (28Yz/)
Posted by: Insane Obama Fiscal Clown Posse at March 04, 2012 09:43 AM (d0Tfm)
I'm having a hard time understanding why conservatives stay there.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 04, 2012 09:43 AM (Why44)
I am in finance. Let me give the answer: Its Boring.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 04, 2012 09:44 AM (r+9M6)
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 04, 2012 09:49 AM (lHBgw)
Posted by: 66chevelle at March 04, 2012 09:54 AM (QjSgY)
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at March 04, 2012 09:55 AM (xMU3a)
Posted by: Rush Limbaugh at March 04, 2012 09:56 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 04, 2012 09:59 AM (DGIjM)
To wonder why there aren't more novels about money is almost to ask why bocce isn't as popular a sport as baseball.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at March 04, 2012 10:00 AM (dxTxt)
Posted by: Polliwog at March 04, 2012 10:01 AM (zmm1+)
Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2012 02:02 PM (MMC8r)
I'm going to have to start keeping a notebook to keep track of the HQ style guide.
Posted by: Polliwog at March 04, 2012 10:04 AM (zmm1+)
Posted by: Mad Saint Jack at March 04, 2012 10:04 AM (H0rL+)
Posted by: Jimbo at March 04, 2012 10:05 AM (O3R/2)
"Get ready for the trolls."
Bring them, and in large numbers. The more the better.
They haven't been eviscerated until we've eviscerated them. They're punks like all the rest, full of themselves and shit at the same time.
They. Will. Regret. It.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, feeling all extra curmudgeony today at March 04, 2012 10:06 AM (d0Tfm)
And as far as books, I should finish "The Forgotten Man" shortly as I wait for some Bach discs so I can more fully enjoy "Godel, Escher Bach" per the advice of a fellow moron. In the book about the Depression, Amity spares no effort to point out what a dipshit Franklin Cocksucker Roosevelt was; no wonder the commiecrats love him.
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 04, 2012 10:07 AM (++kS6)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, rip andrew at March 04, 2012 10:07 AM (Ho2rs)
I've been reading "The First Man In Rome" by Colleen McCullough. So far it's good stuff. But loooong.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 04, 2012 10:08 AM (QTHTd)
Isn't there an old line about gentlemen never talking about money?
Anyway, yeah, money seems to come up obliquely, like in The Great Gatsby. The characters have it, but you never see it being used.
Some movies deal with money on a "higher level"-- I'm thinking of Wall Street, and of course, the Oscar-worthy classic Weekend at Bernie's, whose plot is set into motion by the protagonists finding evidence of embezzlement (though their boss, Bernie, convinces them that they've found a huge mistake that'll make their careers, and then hires a hitman to kill them).
But, um, books, yeah. Word-tomes. Textvolumes. I got nothing, so instead I'll threadjack a bit and point out that there's been a shift since, like, the Victorian era that crime in fiction was almost solely the province the the lower classes, whereas now, most villains are Filthy Rich. I think part of that is due to the Sherlock Holmes stories, which often featured upperclass-types commiting crimes.
(Since this is a pseudo-book thread, I figure I have license to be pseudo-coherent.)
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 04, 2012 10:09 AM (/D8ux)
Posted by: Fritz at March 04, 2012 10:12 AM (FDEjy)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, mourning Andrew at March 04, 2012 10:13 AM (YfqfE)
Personally, I think my money matters are fascinating.
Posted by: jeanne! with two N's and an E at March 04, 2012 10:16 AM (3MVsc)
"The Andrians were the first of the islanders to refuse Themisticles' demand for money; he had it put to them that they would be unable to avoid paying because the Athenians had the support of two powerful deities, one called Persuasion and the other Compulsion, and the Andrians had replied that Athens was lucky to have two such useful gods, who were obviously responsible for her wealth and greatnes; unfortunately, however, they themselves, in their small and inadequate land, had two utterly useless deities, who refused to leave the island and insisted on staying; and their names were Poverty and Inability. With the support of these, no money would be forthcoming; for however strong Athens was, she could never turn Andros' 'can't' into 'can'...."
Just change 'Athens' and 'Themisticles' to 'Democrats' and 'Obama', replace 'Andrians' with 'American Taxpayers' to get our present day situation. Talk about history repeating itself....
Posted by: Pave Low John at March 04, 2012 10:16 AM (ue6kh)
I didn't know. Shit.
Posted by: Smell of Desire at March 04, 2012 10:16 AM (TrNbx)
In any case, back to reading old stuff with a new twist. Downloading the Kindle versions of initial books in the series on Baen Books for free. Read the initial ones for free then move on to the paper versions afterwards.
Posted by: Vic at March 04, 2012 10:17 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2012 10:18 AM (qOpnH)
Posted by: logprof at March 04, 2012 10:19 AM (ykSKg)
Posted by: Pave Low John at March 04, 2012 10:19 AM (ue6kh)
Posted by: Heorot at March 04, 2012 10:21 AM (xXGK4)
Well, they do have a point. I wouldn't describe her as shiftless.
Although...the phrase wouldn't roll off the tongue quite so nicely without it.
"A Shiftless Rent-A-Cooch From East Whoreville"
"A Rent-A-Cooch From East Whoreville"
See?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 04, 2012 10:21 AM (nEUpB)
The problem is that you can do everything right and still get ass raped by cronied up markets. At least, that is the case lately. Little investors routinely get killed. Safe investments pay next to nothing. There is no market anymore, it is all rigged by the big boys.
Posted by: navybrat at March 04, 2012 10:22 AM (XWDcH)
I just skimmed the guys article but I disagree with him.
He misses the point that money is situational and there have been hundreds of novels written on how one aspect of how money worked in a given situation.
There is no hard and fast rule for how money works, it changes with markets, government and innovation in the financail world. How it works can change with what the price of gasoline or real estate happens to be. How money works for a hedgfund or a venture capitalist is far different from how it works for a bond trader or a long term investor.
It would be a very long book that tried to capture the different ways money works.
Posted by: robtr at March 04, 2012 10:23 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Jimbo at March 04, 2012 10:23 AM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 04, 2012 10:24 AM (Why44)
What was funny about that book was the openly admitted that he started out to do negative coverage because everybody hatred the power companies. But by the time he had finished his research he had done a 180° turnaround.
He did research the hell out of all of his books.
Posted by: Vic at March 04, 2012 10:24 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 04, 2012 10:27 AM (Why44)
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2012 10:27 AM (qOpnH)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, feeling all extra curmudgeony today at March 04, 2012 10:29 AM (d0Tfm)
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I have read all of his except Strong Medicine and Detective. Haven't found copies of those.
Posted by: Vic at March 04, 2012 10:30 AM (YdQQY)
That gave me a good snicker. But as for interesting fiction about finance, I can recommend a series of murder mysteries by Emma Lathen. They have a Wall Street banker as a detective, and I learned more about finance reading them than in either of my two miserable semesters of economics. Overall, I'd look at her older books from the 60s and 70s, the latest ones just seem to lack the humor and consistency of the earlier decades.
Sarah Hoyt also has a post today that touches a bit on the publishing industry's aristocratic dislike of corporations: http://accordingtohoyt.com/2012/03/04/eeeeeeeeevil/
Posted by: kali at March 04, 2012 10:30 AM (G1/pm)
In case they're showing up already.
Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2012 10:31 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2012 10:31 AM (qOpnH)
Posted by: Flukey Bear at March 04, 2012 10:32 AM (eHIJJ)
On the UFO show last night, they had a couple of people on who were talking about how OWS have "finally" come because people are realizing that "banking is a scam."
I wanted to punch them in the vaginas.
Posted by: Truman North at March 04, 2012 10:33 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Jon Snow at March 04, 2012 10:33 AM (WM5nd)
Posted by: Mindy is going Breitbart at March 04, 2012 10:33 AM (X6G2X)
Possible thread winner. Distinction needs to be made between "money" and "currency", as they are not the same. Not by a long shot.
Money keeps its value. That's why they call it money.
Currency, on the other hand, exists solely to fluctuate.
Posted by: navybrat at March 04, 2012 10:35 AM (XWDcH)
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at March 04, 2012 02:29 PM (OWjjx)
No one's ever lived through it.
Posted by: Tami at March 04, 2012 10:35 AM (X6akg)
Funny how that works out isn't it?
Posted by: NEA/AFT at March 04, 2012 10:36 AM (xXGK4)
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2012 10:38 AM (qOpnH)
Posted by: Jimbo at March 04, 2012 02:23 PM (O3R/2)
--Funny: I only learned in his obits (from a few years ago) that Lamar Hunt, late owner of the Kansas City Chiefs/Dallas Texans was one of them. Great guy.
Posted by: logprof at March 04, 2012 10:38 AM (ykSKg)
I remember when I had such enthusiasm...
I have been involved in the markets since way before high frequency trading and flash crashes. Believe me, since then, you don't stand much of a chance. No way can you react in milliseconds. You would be lucky to be able to sell in 10 minutes.
Posted by: navybrat at March 04, 2012 10:39 AM (XWDcH)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 04, 2012 10:40 AM (eCnLg)
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2012 10:40 AM (qOpnH)
Never lived there myself, but I've watched "Walking Dead", which I would imagine is probably pretty close.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 10:40 AM (R5yLq)
Ha, Instapundit and Professor Jacobson are on the make CARBONITE suffer bandwagon.
We need to organize for once and make these pricks suffer.
Posted by: robtr at March 04, 2012 10:42 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 04, 2012 02:38 PM (Why44)
Maybe she is bisexual.
Ew.
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2012 02:40 PM (qOpnH)
Ok, guys, seriously.. can you start adding some sort of warning at the top of these so that those of us who are innocently reading through, say, a book thread, don't suddenly end up with mental images that will haunt us till our dying day?
Lol..
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 10:43 AM (R5yLq)
Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2012 10:43 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at March 04, 2012 02:29 PM (OWjjx)
No one's ever lived through it.
Posted by: Tami at March 04, 2012 02:35 PM (X6akg)
Yup.
Posted by: Cahokia Indians at March 04, 2012 10:45 AM (ykSKg)
Posted by: KF at March 04, 2012 10:45 AM (Ig7J7)
Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2012 02:43 PM (MMC8r)
Yes. Infinity times zero equals zero.
Posted by: Truman North at March 04, 2012 10:46 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Mindy is going Breitbart at March 04, 2012 10:47 AM (X6G2X)
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 04, 2012 10:48 AM (QTHTd)
Saw this from a link in the sidebar
The White House called the college in recent days and offered up Obama as the commencement speaker and the college promptly accepted. Originally, New York Times executive editor Jill Abramson was set to address the graduates before the White House called the college.
So a successful woman was denied an honor and job opportunity in order to give it to a lesser qualified man who happned to know the right people.
Posted by: Alex at March 04, 2012 10:51 AM (GgXZc)
It's based on the true story of ex-con Sam Childers' missionary work in Sudan.
I liked it. But there were a lot of holes -- continuity problems.
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 10:52 AM (T5LdI)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at March 04, 2012 10:54 AM (4136b)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 10:54 AM (T5LdI)
I can make it worse...
Lying, polyamorous, bisexual slut
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 04, 2012 10:55 AM (Why44)
Posted by: KF at March 04, 2012 02:45 PM (Ig7J7)
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Thanks, just went there and downloaded it. Yes, it has slipped but it is still there.
And Flukers, can we have a book thread Fluke free.
Posted by: Vic at March 04, 2012 10:56 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at March 04, 2012 02:54 PM (4136b)
Tweeter them at @carbonite
Posted by: robtr at March 04, 2012 10:56 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2012 02:43 PM (MMC8r)
Low bar, nickless....low bar.
Posted by: Tami at March 04, 2012 10:57 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Alex at March 04, 2012 02:51 PM (GgXZc)
The college should have responded, thank you for your kind offer, but we are sticking with our prior commitment. Now go screw yourself asswipe.
Posted by: Ronster at March 04, 2012 10:57 AM (T1nDt)
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As long as you are talking abut the book they made Meet Me In St. Louis from.
Posted by: Vic at March 04, 2012 10:59 AM (YdQQY)
I'd call them and let them know. Of course if it were me I'd be really mean about it, I would take an old PC I don't use anymore, setup a directory with a bunch of junk files in it, and have a batch file rename the files in the directory so that it kept triggering Carbonites backup software over and over and over again - filling there servers with crap and costing them bandwidth.
If I have to pay for a service I'm no longer using.. well.. they aren't getting my money for nothing.. lol.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 10:59 AM (R5yLq)
Posted by: Lauren at March 04, 2012 11:03 AM (bRPcD)
Eh, I got better things to do than argue with idiots on Facebook.
Posted by: at March 04, 2012 02:54 PM (4136b)
--Same with Breitbart's FB page. There are a handful of regular trolls posting on everything. I actually "liked" their (very lame) insult posts and never replied to them. Waste of time and thought.
Posted by: logprof at March 04, 2012 11:04 AM (ykSKg)
The college should have responded, thank you for your kind offer, but we are sticking with our prior commitment. Now go screw yourself asswipe.
The scheduled speaker was from the New York Times. NYT employees are under contract to take one for the team, when the team is America-killing socialists.
Posted by: Truman North at March 04, 2012 11:05 AM (I2LwF)
The scheduled speaker was from the New York Times. NYT employees are under contract to take one for the team, when the team is America-killing socialists.
Posted by: Truman North at March 04, 2012 03:05 PM (I2LwF)
--Taranto has written about Abramson the last couple weeks in BOTWT. She got "fired" but has a golden parachute: she gets paid millions and is only required to work 15 minutes a month (!) for "consulting." As parasitical as any FM/FM hack, but at least with private money.
Posted by: logprof at March 04, 2012 11:08 AM (ykSKg)
Probably be more effective if all the other conservative talk show hosts could be convinced not to run their ads.
Posted by: Heorot at March 04, 2012 11:08 AM (xXGK4)
Posted by: Jimbo at March 04, 2012 11:09 AM (O3R/2)
by Matt Bracken. It's free in the Kindle store through Monday.
Another thank you. I would have missed this otherwise.
Posted by: Retread at March 04, 2012 11:09 AM (joSBv)
Posted by: Jimbo at March 04, 2012 03:09 PM (O3R/2)
Any recommendations for an external hard drive? Just need it for home PC....not a business.
Posted by: Tami at March 04, 2012 11:10 AM (X6akg)
Hmm.. I remember something about "proper closings" in a business letter, like sincerely, thank you for your time, etc..
I don't recall "Now go screw yourself asswipe" as being a proper close in a business letter..
Lol.. but I do like it. Short, simple.. gets the point across. Yup.. going to need to add a word template I guess.. lol
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 11:10 AM (R5yLq)
Posted by: Tami at March 04, 2012 03:10 PM (X6akg)
A flash drive would probably backup everything you have then.
Posted by: robtr at March 04, 2012 11:11 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Matt in Maine at March 04, 2012 11:12 AM (2Ok++)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at March 04, 2012 11:12 AM (4136b)
Posted by: veeka oot seeg at March 04, 2012 11:12 AM (sqVOl)
Looks like Greg Williams is hot water for promoting his defensive players to take part in a "bounty" game.
Sean Payton and the Saints are gonna get punished too.
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 11:12 AM (T5LdI)
I think Levin may still be sponsored by them --curious to hear if he has a take Monday.
Posted by: logprof at March 04, 2012 11:13 AM (ykSKg)
finally, a football thread
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 03:11 PM (T5LdI)
lol, fucking prick tease
Posted by: Truman North at March 04, 2012 11:13 AM (I2LwF)
I said: "The Media is the enemy."
Posted by: Jimbo at March 04, 2012 11:13 AM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Tami at March 04, 2012 03:10 PM (X6akg)
--I have a Simpletech one that has worked well and was fairly cheap (although partially because of an Office Depot rebate). Which reminds me, I should back up today. . . .
Posted by: logprof at March 04, 2012 11:14 AM (ykSKg)
Any recommendations for an external hard drive? Just need it for home PC....not a business.
I bought a 2TB drive and a housing at MicroCenter for about $95 and put it together myself in about 10 minutes. Plugs into any of my computers and my TV that can play video direct from it.
The 1.5 TB Western Digital I bought before that was ready made and stopped communicating with any computer/OS/TV in about 18 hours, and cost about the same. Junk.
Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2012 11:16 AM (MMC8r)
Sean Payton and the Saints are gonna get punished too.
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 03:12 PM (T5LdI)
--If it contributed to forcing Kurt Warner's retirement, I'll be pissed. According to Kurt, he had already planned retiring months before the season ended, but maybe he's just being cordial about water under the bridge. I used to be a huge Saints fan, but this sours me.
Posted by: logprof at March 04, 2012 11:17 AM (ykSKg)
Posted by: navybrat at March 04, 2012 11:17 AM (XWDcH)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 11:17 AM (T5LdI)
a terabyte?
shiiiiiiiiiiit, that's a lotta data
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 03:13 PM (T5LdI)
--Not really. My next laptop may be one of those super-slim ones for easy travel, and I'd get a 1TB external to hold movies on, but is solely powered via USB. Much more portable.
Posted by: logprof at March 04, 2012 11:18 AM (ykSKg)
I would take an old PC I don't use anymore, setup a directory with a bunch of junk files in it, and have a batch file rename the files in the directory so that it kept triggering Carbonites backup software over and over and over again - filling there servers with crap and costing them bandwidth.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 02:59 PM (R5yLq)
Not a bad idea but beware of ISP data transfer caps. Perhaps that's something one could do toward the end of the month to use up one's allotment.
Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at March 04, 2012 11:19 AM (MmrSI)
anyone here remember the mid-90's I-omega stock hype?
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 03:15 PM (T5LdI)
--I still have a ZIP. It's useless to me since I have no drive, but when I was at Maryland all the B-School Ph.D. students got a free one (I started in 2000) and all our desktop PCs had a drive.
Posted by: logprof at March 04, 2012 11:20 AM (ykSKg)
anyone here remember the mid-90's I-omega stock hype?
Saw three ZIP drives at the thrift store yesterday. So handy to back up 1/7 of a CD.
Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2012 11:21 AM (MMC8r)
Well, I was going to call them anyway but I guess now I HAVE to.
Posted by: Tami at March 04, 2012 11:22 AM (X6akg)
A large capacity, USB flash drive might be OK, but they're pretty "losable." I use 'em but not for serious backup.
You might consider the product line from IOSafe which comes in many different sized capacities and price points. They're very tough and can take considerable abuse. I know they have USB versions; they probably have eSATA for the higher-priced models but that's also probably overkill.
Your decision is going to depend on capacity and interface more than anything. Don't consider price too much. If it's worth backing up, it's worth having a reliable one.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 04, 2012 11:23 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Tami at March 04, 2012 11:23 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at March 04, 2012 11:23 AM (4136b)
Posted by: logprof at March 04, 2012 03:18 PM (ykSKg)
A 32 or 64 GB microSD would probably be better. Who wants to drag any hard drive around, at all? It'll hold more than enough movies for a little traveling (not a catalogue, obviously). Prices are around $1/GB, now.
Posted by: really ... at March 04, 2012 11:24 AM (X3lox)
a terabyte?
shiiiiiiiiiiit, that's a lotta data"
Guess it depends on your point of view. I've got 20 tb on my network, one of the many reasons I don't use carbonite is because it would be way to expensive for me.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 11:24 AM (R5yLq)
Posted by: navybrat at March 04, 2012 11:25 AM (XWDcH)
Not unless you glue them together and call it "art". Lol
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 11:25 AM (R5yLq)
anyone here remember the mid-90's I-omega stock hype?"
Loved 'em and used them everywhere... until the Click of Death. About 50% of the drives I operated developed this, um, feature. I've not considered an Iomega product since even though the Zip Drive was a revolutionary product at the time.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 04, 2012 11:26 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 11:27 AM (T5LdI)
Posted by: Truman North at March 04, 2012 11:27 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 04, 2012 03:23 PM (eHIJJ)
Along these lines (not for backup, but for front-end) I've been using a liveCD (on USB - with persistence, to actually make it useful and functional) for my main system for some time now. I am very, very happy with it and wouldn't trade it for anything. Best major change in my computer arrangements in years. I wouldn't go back to a hard-drive installed system if you paid me.
Posted by: really ... at March 04, 2012 11:28 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at March 04, 2012 11:28 AM (4136b)
Posted by: Truman North at March 04, 2012 11:28 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Jon Snow at March 04, 2012 11:29 AM (WM5nd)
hahaha, I just realized that I am a racist and should be fired from the AoS comment threads!
I said "nipping"
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 11:29 AM (T5LdI)
Posted by: Jon Snow at March 04, 2012 11:30 AM (WM5nd)
Posted by: Truman North at March 04, 2012 11:33 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at March 04, 2012 11:33 AM (4136b)
I've been thinking about doing something like that for my firewalls. Just haven't taken the plunge yet, but I'm sorely tempted.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 04, 2012 11:33 AM (eHIJJ)
I've got an old HP computer running FreeDOS that I play ZZT and Rogue and a few other games on occasionally. Even logged it onto AoSHQ once in a Dos browser.
Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2012 11:35 AM (MMC8r)
Well, I was going to call them anyway but I guess now I HAVE to.
Posted by: Tami at March 04, 2012 03:22 PM (X6akg)
On their website, under "about us" then "contact us" is a contact for their legal dept. "legal @ carbonite dot com" I'd go straight to them. Plus, if they are an outside attorney, you will have the satisfaction of knowing that carbonite will be billed for their time. win/win
Posted by: Peaches at March 04, 2012 11:36 AM (BETpH)
Posted by: Tami at March 04, 2012 11:37 AM (X6akg)
I just DL'd an episode of Alf; it is 126 MB."
And Gates' (D)OS used to fit on a 5.25" floppy. I think that was in his pre-fascist days.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 04, 2012 11:37 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: logprof at March 04, 2012 03:17 PM (ykSKg)
Two separate issues: They were definitely head-hunting HOF Kurt (of whom I was a major fan; he might be my favorite of all time for various reasons) just like they did Favre the next game; but he would've gone anyway. I think the Saints were dumb to get caught on this but imo they're far from the only team that did this and the league was clueless not to know this was going on.
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 04, 2012 11:38 AM (++kS6)
This laptop is Puppy Linux from CD.
Half the harddrive went bad and wiped out my XP install, so I booted Puppy from CD and partitioned the back half of the drive as my save partition and have been running it booting from the CD for a year or more.
Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2012 11:38 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: lesbian seagull at March 04, 2012 11:38 AM (xXhWA)
I shit you not, I used to have the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy game on 5 1/4 floppy for my Commodore 64.
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 11:39 AM (T5LdI)
Posted by: Truman North at March 04, 2012 11:40 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Peaches at March 04, 2012 03:36 PM (BETpH)
I get you on the billable time but they wouldn't be able to cancel my account and remove my credit card #, would they?
Posted by: Tami at March 04, 2012 11:41 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 04, 2012 03:33 PM (eHIJJ)
I think you'll like it. UNetBootin is an easy way to try some stuff out. The only LiveCD setups really worth using have persistence, so that only allows for a couple of Linux distributions. Otherwise the LiveCD is more of a dead system (like the original Knoppix stuff). Fun, but fairly useless other than for rescue and such. For real customization of the distribution you'd have to roll your own LiveCD but that's pretty easy to do.
Posted by: really ... at March 04, 2012 11:42 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 03:27 PM (T5LdI)
Yes. I also still have diskettes for my Commodore 128. Not long ago, I came across my copies of "Pinball Construction Set" and "Accolade's Comics" in the original envelopes with instruction manuals.
Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at March 04, 2012 11:43 AM (MmrSI)
No clams for you!!
Posted by: bivalve Nazi at March 04, 2012 11:43 AM (vRSeu)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 04, 2012 11:44 AM (HethX)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 03:27 PM (T5LdI)
--I still have my copy of Civ II.
Posted by: logprof at March 04, 2012 11:45 AM (ykSKg)
I don't think it's a priority for Ace.
Posted by: Heorot at March 04, 2012 11:45 AM (xXGK4)
Posted by: lesbian seagull at March 04, 2012 11:46 AM (xXhWA)
Posted by: Truman North at March 04, 2012 11:46 AM (I2LwF)
They're in a building fighting, the kraut gets the advantage and starts stabbing the American. The kraut tells the American, "Shhhh, shhhh," just die quietly while I stick you with my knife.
Fuck that.
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 11:46 AM (T5LdI)
Posted by: Truman North at March 04, 2012 11:47 AM (I2LwF)
I've also got my and my wife's old Timex-Sinclair ZX-81s downstairs.
Old hardware like this is just fun to tinker with.
Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2012 11:47 AM (MMC8r)
The free market is speaking. Carbonite et al. will review its balance sheet in due course and will adjust accordingly. Why should purchasing pressure always be one way and against the Right?
What Would Breitbart Do?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 04, 2012 11:47 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2012 03:38 PM (MMC8r)
That's nice - and pretty much the same way I stumbled onto LiveCD and actually started using them - but you can get a persistent setup and keep the whole environment on the USB which makes you fully transportable, then. I think Puppy works with persistence, but I'm not sure.
Posted by: really ... at March 04, 2012 11:49 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: lesbian seagull at March 04, 2012 03:38 PM (xXhWA)
--That's why one of the Morons mentioned cancelling them expressly for continuing to sponsor Ed Schitz, not for dropping Rush (indeed, not mentioning Rush at all).
Posted by: logprof at March 04, 2012 11:49 AM (ykSKg)
Posted by: lesbian seagull at March 04, 2012 03:38 PM (xXhWA)
Bullshit, Carbonite is run by a left wing Obama doner. They didn't advertise with Rush because they were on board with his views. The did it because it made business sense to do it.
They canceled their advertising do to left wing pressure and you are saying we should reward them for that. I think you are wrong.
Posted by: robtr at March 04, 2012 11:49 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Truman North at March 04, 2012 11:50 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 11:52 AM (T5LdI)
Posted by: Truman North at March 04, 2012 03:50 PM (I2LwF)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSpBtIhFO44
Posted by: logprof at March 04, 2012 11:52 AM (ykSKg)
Yeah, Puppy works with USB.
Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2012 11:52 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at March 04, 2012 11:53 AM (4136b)
Posted by: Truman North at March 04, 2012 03:47 PM (I2LwF)
I understand that. But those companies that already caved by never advertising with conseravive media to begin with don't suffer the same bad press.
OK it's just a minor point, I'm finished.
Posted by: lesbian seagull at March 04, 2012 11:53 AM (xXhWA)
I've also got my and my wife's old Timex-Sinclair ZX-81s downstairs.
Old hardware like this is just fun to tinker with.
Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2012 03:47 PM (MMC8r)
I still have the ZX-80 my father purchased which I'm fairly certain was my first foray into microcomputing. If it's anything like my Atari 2600, it should still work. Maybe I'll power that up today...
Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at March 04, 2012 11:53 AM (MmrSI)
Posted by: Truman North at March 04, 2012 11:53 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 03:52 PM (T5LdI)
Yeah the 20 Million people they put their product in front of is just a bonus for them for helping us.
Posted by: robtr at March 04, 2012 11:55 AM (MtwBb)
Got my wife's original 2600 down there, too. The challenge is getting it hooked up to the new TVs.
Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2012 11:55 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: David Frum at March 04, 2012 11:55 AM (8HhF2)
Posted by: Truman North at March 04, 2012 03:53 PM (I2LwF)
--Unfortunately, that describes a lot of things. 
Posted by: logprof at March 04, 2012 11:55 AM (ykSKg)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at March 04, 2012 11:56 AM (4136b)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 04, 2012 11:56 AM (HethX)
The only reason a company would advertise anywhere is that the advertisement works. Conservative media sells products like no other kind of advertising. Thats why most markets have two conservative talk stations and music radio is evaporating.
Those companies who don't advertise with conservative media because they don't want blowback if they ever stab the consumer of these programs in the face with a dagger of political spite will simply miss out on the benefit of supporting media which sells.
Oh-fucking-well, there's Adam Smith's pimp hand smacking down the Dodo bird again
Posted by: Truman North at March 04, 2012 11:58 AM (I2LwF)
So just curious Lesbian Segull, how long have you worked for Carbonite? I mean I must assume you work for them, because no one else would attempt to make a point this inane in a vain attempt to stem the tide of all of the business Carbonite is losing over this debacle.
Carbonite's CEO came out and made a very political statement about the whole affair, basically stating that he would no longer advertise on Rush because Rush called some left wing loon a slut - only after this left wing loon went before Congress and proudly proclaimed she was a slut.
On the flip side, this hypocritical piece of shit has no problem advertising one Ed Schultz, who called conservative talk show host Laura Ingraham a slut, even though Laura has never stood up before congress and proclaimed that she was a slut. Rush apologized, Ed never has and never will.
In short, Carbonites CEO is a fucking hypocrite.
So what we have here is a huge double standard, and frankly if Carbonite is still in business this time this year, I'll be very surprised. As it is I would never, ever do business with a company like this and I'd be surprised if anyone else would either.
So if you do work for Carbonite run into your CEO's office, and explain to this worthless pansy fucktard that if he wants any hope whatsoever of saving your company from bankruptcy, he'd better issue one huge fucking apology very quickly for his hypocrisy.
Otherwise, If I were you'd I'd brush up your resume and sell all your Carbonite stock. Kapesh?
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 11:58 AM (R5yLq)
And he was a great QB, too.
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 03:41 PM (T5LdI)
I don't think I've ever seen anybody come from nowhere and just light things up the way he did. And then rise from the dead and take the mutt Cardinals to the Super Bowl. Taking 2 of the league's worst franchises to 3 Super Bowls is reason enough to put him into the HOF on the first ballot imo. Plus I think he still holds the top 3 SB passing yards records.
Plus he's a great human being who has led an exemplary life and never gave up when things weren't going so well.
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 04, 2012 11:59 AM (++kS6)
Posted by: Concerned Republican Woman Who's Friends with Frum at March 04, 2012 11:59 AM (8HhF2)
Plus he's a great human being who has led an exemplary life and never gave up when things weren't going so well.
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 04, 2012 03:59 PM (++kS6)
--Not that it applies to the HOF, but Warner also won the Walter Payton Man of the Year award.
Posted by: logprof at March 04, 2012 12:02 PM (ykSKg)
I rarely catch Limbaugh, but that would be a bit of a marketing coup particularly if it was a small, up-n-coming online backup company. Could you imagine the advertising boost and word-of-mouth it would bring if Rush played it up just the tiniest bit? A molehill could become a mountain.
Plus, the company could joke around with it a bit. Ask, "Do you want your backup handled Liberally? Of course you don't. You want it safe, no risk, in conservative hands. Reliable. Affordable. And alRight."
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 04, 2012 12:04 PM (eHIJJ)
Ok, first.. you might notice this isn't the Rush Limbaugh show.. or the Rush Limbaugh Blog, or in any way shape or form associated with Rush Limbaugh whatsoever. Maybe if your upset with Rush you can go take it up with him, rather than us.
Second, if you were really a "Dittohead", or a republican, or even somewhat conservative, you'd realize that none of this has anything to do with reproductive rights whatsoever. That's a lame smokescreen used by libertards that only a complete and total idiot would buy into. So I think we can safely say your not a Rush fan, your certainly not a republican or a conservative. Nice try, but no cigar.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 12:04 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: Orrin Hatch at March 04, 2012 12:08 PM (7o3eV)
Got my wife's original 2600 down there, too. The challenge is getting it hooked up to the new TVs.
Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2012 03:55 PM (MMC8r)
Nah, it's not too bad. I've got a 3-way (huh huh huh) RF switchbox attached to my 50" plasma that allows for switching between crappy low-def free cable, an antenna for OTA programming, and my 2600. All one needs is an RCA to coax barrel adapter (cheap and which I already had from eons ago) and you're good to go.
Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at March 04, 2012 12:09 PM (MmrSI)
Posted by: David Frum at March 04, 2012 12:09 PM (8HhF2)
Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2012 03:52 PM (MMC8r)
For sure, but a persistent setup allows you to store state information on the USB, too. Ubuntu uses a "casper" system (which I have not really been able to find much real documentation on) for its persistence. It does this either by allocating a file (which an ext2 file system resides on) which holds your new data or it looks for another partition on the USB (or anywhere) called "casper-rw" (which you can customize easily, though no one tells you). This allows you to modify your desktop, add packages as usual, save stuff, etc. and it all stays as part of your LiveCD/USB setup. No ned for any hard drive anywhere. That's how my main set-up is. 100% USB.
Posted by: really ... at March 04, 2012 12:11 PM (X3lox)
The one thing I've learned from this is that I would never use carbonite, because my money would go to pay the salary of a man who would donate to Obama.
I wrote them yesterday saying that because of the Rush Limbaugh incident, I will terminate their services once my subscription expires
Anybody know of a similar service I can subscribe to?
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at March 04, 2012 12:11 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: The Ghost of Russell Kirk at March 04, 2012 12:12 PM (8HhF2)
I recall many, many years ago that a certain restaurant business dropped its advertising on Limbaugh due to pressure from the usual suspects. As a response, Rush actually encouraged his listeners to patronize said business and give them the reason why. As a result, they resumed their advertising on his show.
This time around, though, the Ed Schitz advertising hypocrisy is a factor.
Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at March 04, 2012 12:14 PM (MmrSI)
Posted by: really ... at March 04, 2012 12:19 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at March 04, 2012 12:24 PM (MmrSI)
I been here for about 2 years- change my name occasianally- "bernverdnardo", "alidade", "the lone lemon", lots of socks...
I don't work for Carbonite. I think a boycott in this case is sending the wrong message, but I'm done making my case, I understood it would be controversial, and as always, I could be wrong.
Posted by: lesbian seagull at March 04, 2012 12:28 PM (xXhWA)
Posted by: disgusting oratory at March 04, 2012 12:29 PM (xXhWA)
Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at March 04, 2012 12:53 PM (MmrSI)
I see where your coming from, and I'm not normally a huge fan of boycotts either, but in this case my thought process is, fuck carbonite.
If they were standing on the moral principle that they would not advertise with anyone that made statements like "Slut" on the air, ok great - I could see that. I may not agree with it, but I could see there point and I'd move on.
But they are not, this is a two-faced, hypocritcal standard. Apparently Carbonite thinks if you call a liberal a slut, that's wrong and they'll pull their advertising, even if you apologize for it. But if you call a conservative a slut, then thats fine.No repercussions there.
Truth is they are taking a lot of angry phone calls from the looney left - people who don't subscribe to their service, and they caved under the pressure. They really should have thought a moment about that fact that it's not these non-subscribers that keep them in business, it's the people that actually pay them for service that they should have concerned themselves with.
Obviously any company that is run in such a slipshod, idiotic fashion is not one I'd care to do business with, and certainly not someone I would trust with my most valuable data.
I think maybe if the CEO pulls his head out of his ass, apologizes quickly and maybe even considers stepping down then they might be able to save themselves for Chapter 11.
Otherwise I'd give 2 to 1 odds that Carbonite goes belly up - within the next couple of years. Just my 2 cents worth of course.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 12:57 PM (R5yLq)
This.
Also, I rather liked the "lesbian seagull" nick as I'm a huge Beavis & Butt-head fan. I was personally hard-pressed to think of a more stupid nick than my current one at the time whilst being both 1) somewhat timely (Obama's "Jew janitor" Freudian slip) and 2) not obscene.
Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at March 04, 2012 01:07 PM (MmrSI)
Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at March 04, 2012 01:07 PM (MmrSI)
Posted by: steevy at March 04, 2012 01:42 PM (7W3wI)
Off-site backup exists for a reason. Not everybody needs it but if you do you need it very much. (I always regarded the lack of offsite backup in Terminator as a huge plot hole.)
Think about those place hit by tornadoes recently. Myself, I live in an earthquake zone. Protecting critical data goes beyond drive failure. It also involves issues like losing the entire building where the data is located. If your business can be wiped out by data loss, you really need to consider off-site backup. At the very least, burn DVDs monthly and put in someplace like a safe deposit box in a bank.
There are plenty of options out there. We're a Mozy reseller at my main job.
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