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2 You've got an unclosed italics tag in the main article which is jacking the rest of the page.

3 I'm pretty certain this topic will come up during the debates.  Romney or Ryan won't forget this bullshit.

4 Yeah, Clinton's speech has the most views of any from the conventions on You Tube and You tube is a pretty good marker these days of what seeps into the public consciousness, Romney and Ryan need to knock it down.

5 Looks like it should probably be closed right after "political purposes" in the seventh-to-last paragraph.

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it, it has not fallen, for all political purposes."

It should close right there, but see, it doesn't.

6 Biden must have been shocked to hear of Clinton's VEEP nomination...

7 In the same way that NRO might be useless....\ How many people sat through 48 minutes of Clinton?

8

Ace is sorry that he had to take away convenient formatting tools from us.

 

Feels  so bad  about it, he sprinkles italics on all of us from time to time.

9 Glad to see the NRO is addressing part of the problem with the whole GM/Chrysler/"saved the whole American auto industry" myth but they skipped some of the most important parts. This issue was gone over in whole in the comments, here, when the speech was given and when the lies and deceptions were repeated over and over again during the Dimwit Convention.

10 4 Yeah, Clinton's speech has the most views of any from the conventions on You Tube and You tube is a pretty good marker these days of what seeps into the public consciousness, Romney and Ryan need to knock it down. Posted by: booger at September 10, 2012 02:05 PM (HI6wa) ________________________ You Tube Youth Vote. It's not happening again for Obama like it did in '08.

11 I agree with the "If a tree falls in a forest does anyone hear it?"This is what makes me so damned mad!The internet does help to get the word out a bit, but not enough to break the grip of the MSM as the  bearer of all that is true. Hard to overcome, when Obama has free campaigning done by the media. That being said I do believe Romney is smart, and that people are feeling the pain. Romney must get the message out himself because there will be not be much help coming from our friends in the media...

12

I'm with you Ace.

Keep up the great work.

The Clinton tv ad running now isn't helping either...The moderate D's and undecideds may be persuaded to take his word for it about Obama.

Take it from me, as someone who was ordered out of her grandfather's house because I dared to speak my non-support for Clinton way back when, these people really trust him and aren't easily shown the light.

13 I am not panicking either, but expected to feel better about things now than I do.

As far as the Romney campaign, at several points in the primaries the polling was worse for him against GOP opponents than it is now. This has probably taught them not to panic. It also seems to me, however, that his opponents tended to self-destruct, often with the media's help--largely because they were not-Romneys who voters knew only that fact about and little else. None of this is true about the Big 0.

The chance Obama will self-destruct is very small, especially because the media will minimize any gaffes he makes. (Case in point: The horrible jobs info from last week and his meh speech have been buried by convention momentum stories.) Moreover, people think they know a lot about Obama, so some blunders won't matter like they would with a newbie.

We have to stay enthused enough to write the narrative of this election, rather than let it be written for us.

14 Blogger Senator Blutarsky makes a pretty good case for the $49,000 loss per Volt being inaccurate, mostly due to a misunderstanding of sunk costs. 

http://bit.ly/PizX35

It's still a screwup of epic proportions, and while I won't say electric vehicles will NEVER work, they're of fairly limited use (especially for those of us that live in rural states). 

15

Eh.  I've watched  a  lot of stuff on YouTube that I don't necessarily agree with.

 

That lady who   goes  bezerk   over Government Mind-Control Chemicals in the Public Water because her backyard sprinkler  creates a rainbow when she runs it in the early evening comes to mind.

16 GM is a fraud and so is this:

http://tinyurl.com/9qhdvpx

Bastards.

Be Careful out there.

17 There is an Obastard ad here saying Romney will raise taxes on the Middle Class and lower them for the rich.  Its just patently false and needs to be rebutted.  Soon.

18 It's always tougher to sell people on the fact that, no, we can't just keep all the goodies we have and just have somebody else pay for it. As long as you have one side saying we can just tinker on the edges a bit, the onus is on you to educate. Boil down what Clinton really said, and that's what he was selling, and selling well. It wasn't close to honest though, so we can get momentum right back.

19 RIGHT u are Ace...where are the damn rebuttals!?!
The LIES are bought hook line and sinker...then RR has to dig out of a damn hole...right now they are watching the hole get deeper i'm afraid. Yes the polls are BS...but WHERE is RR....???

20

 

He didn't "save" GM.....he just put it on Life Support.

 

The disease that is killing GM is still there.

 

21 It wouldn't hurt to run some "here's how they lie" ads, but the focus at this point needs to be on "here's what we'd do better." Team Romney has successfully brought a popular president everyone was afraid to criticize down to the point you can do so, but now they have to shift to selling themselves as superior. I hope that's what they're up to next.
I like kicking Obama in the mangerines as much as the next conservative, but that's not enough.

22 I hope, very hope, that Romney has been saving this for the debates to level obama with

23 Feels so bad about it, he sprinkles italics on all of us from time to time. Boooooorn freeeeee! *watches the strikethroughs herd my ampersands* There are a ton of RR ads on television around me right now, probably just as many Obama ones but I dive for the remote the second I see/hear the SCOAMT. The RR one currently in rotation is pretty good about showing what Obama said v what has happened. I have hope they will do the same about GM.

24 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

25

The ones  that  McCain couldn't drag out to vote back in 2008, will now be motivated to get out there in November. The motivator this time isn't Romney, it's Obama.

26 Also, while it can be fun to try to exploit a wedge between Clinton and Obama, it was probably a foolish tactic on our part if we think we'd get far with that. One speech and one ad from him and a lot of that stuff starts to look petty. Even if you think he secretly kinda wants us to win, he's not going to ever say it. I mean, sure, say Obama isn't anyhing like him and all that, but don't go overboard playing that card.

27 Remember, the Obama team is relying on the press and the polling to make the race seem close enough that nobody ends up with a bandwagon. Yes, he'd prefer to be in the lead and get that bandwagon like last time, but its not happening, and will not happen this year. They have to keep the polling data close and the press selling it as a close race, no matter what the truth is.
If its close enough, they can fraud and lawyer it into a win. That's their only hope, and they're working it like Sandra Fluke on a bedpost.

28 OT:

I Bought a smallish freezer from Sam's just to save money on meat from my cajun butcher shop, $200 and some change, just passing it along to y'all. Good investment.

29 It is pretty clear that if GM had gone through a true bankruptcy, and the union contracts had been renegotiated, there would be  more auto workers in the US now.  Keeping those union contracts at their unsustainably high level not only results in fewer workers, it also means that the next GM collapse comes sooner rather than later.

30 O/T and 2 threads old

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/

Talks a lot about ideal environments for developers.

31 Things are shaping up for R&R media event at a closed car parts plant in MI, WI, or OH. Complete with a background poster of old man Romney 60' x 100' in grey scale. Give them a little rope, if this the hill they want to die on let them commit to the field, before you set the artillery. GM is a disaster for Obama, it highlights: union cronyism, insider deals, incompetent management, silly green policies, zero understanding of business, math fail!, disrespect for law, and the slightest whiff of communism - bring it on Bill. This means they may have recognized that Mediscare won't work this cycle, and the usual Womyn's coven isn't bringing in the votes. The pubs hate trees is coming, after that - what's Axelrod got to cover the next set of jobs numbers, gas spiking, and a euro crisis.

32 Yeah he saved GM alright.  Why not make an ad out of the speech GM's CEO made in China where he said GM makes almost 70% of its vehicles outside of the United States, has 2700 dealerships in China and has 11 assembly plants in China?

33

But here's why I say that's useless, as it stands: Because, who sees this

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Anyone and everyone with common sense. A lot of voters understand inutitively the GM bailout was bullshit. Hence the rise of the Tea Party.

From Feb 2012:

(CNN) - As Mitt Romney gets ready to face union protests Friday over his opposition to the 2008-2009 bailouts of the auto industry, two new polls are somewhat at odds over where Americans stand on the issue.

According to a Gallup Poll released Wednesday, 51% of Americans say they disapprove of the financial bailouts for General Motors and Chrysler, which at the time were in danger of failing. Forty-four percent say they approve of the government's action. The survey indicates a partisan divide, with more than six in ten Democrats supporting the bailouts, nearly three-quarters of Republicans opposing them, and independent voters divided, with 45% approving and 50% saying they disapprove of the bailouts

34 Oh, and Team Romney should just ignore Clinton. Who really cares what he said or how much people like him? His only benefit in the speech was to stir up some enthusiasm among Democrats, but that's short lived.
Ignore Clinton, he's a has been and its too much work to tear him down, and pointless. Ignore the speeches at the convention, too. Focus on the plan, sell Mitt as a great guy and his ideas as winners.

35 I hope, very hope, that Romney has been saving this for the debates to level obama with Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 10, 2012 02:19 PM (05RcU) Romney's too busy finding out which idiotic parts of ObamaScare he wants to retain ... because he doesn't get the whole "repeal" notion.

36

I think that R&R are going to get around to addressing these points, I just think that, with all the lies, disinformation and outright obfuscation going on, it is hard to decide where to start. Romney's whole campaign is based upon the economy, and the damage that Obama and his terrible policies have done to this country. With as much damage as has been done, addressing all of it is going to be a task of epic proportions.

 

 Above all, though, Romney is going to have to make sure that Obama is given full ownership for all of the failures, and not allow Obama to act like someone who just got here, and had no idea what was going on. That seems to be the direction that Obama's campaign is taking.

37  The way GM is producing and Marketing vehicles today the Bail Out is another Cash for Clunkers Program.

38
Romney's too busy finding out which idiotic parts of ObamaScare he wants to retain ... because he doesn't get the whole "repeal" notion.

  He said repel and replace.As much as I think Obamacare sucks some parts are popular with the masses.

39

Eh. I've watched a lot of stuff on YouTube that I don't necessarily agree with.

That lady who goes bezerk over Government Mind-Control Chemicals in the Public Water because her backyard sprinkler creates a rainbow when she runs it in the early evening comes to mind.

 

heh

40

I totally disagree that Clinton's speech needs some big rebuttal.

Can anyone name a single memorable line from it?

41 I think Senator Blutarsky is correct...which only goes to show you how little these reporters understand what they're covering. It would be more accurate to say that GM has lost that much money on every Volt they've sold thus far, but Reuters clearly implies that the more they sell, the more they'll lose. That is not at all proved by the numbers in the piece.

Even so, the people at GM whose jobs were saved don't care. They've been bankrupting the company for years to keep their salaries and benefits priced beyond market competitiveness. Why should they feel bad that they've now found a sugar daddy with deeper pockets?

Thus, Romney gets hurt on this issue in places like Detroit. No amount of math can fix that. What he has to do is make Obama pay for that bought-off support elsewhere.

Again, Walker could not win Wisconsin by convincing state employees his reforms were good for them. He had to win by convincing everyone else they were being unsustainably soaked.

42 Romney's too busy finding out which idiotic parts of ObamaScare he wants to retain ... because he doesn't get the whole "repeal" notion. Okay, is this a new something or is this the old Romney wants to keep the good parts thing? I thought the official position was repeal. I'm asking because it's blown up again over the weekend and apparently I missed the trigger event.

43

I'm not buying into that Clinton did this much damage.  Not that many people heard the speech.  Many were watching  what Snookie was up  to or something similar.  Even on You-Tube, I'm betting there weren't that many people who watched the whole long, never-ending speech.

 

Plus, for many people also, when Bubba started talking numbers, it became "blah blah blah blah".

 

There's not too many people that are political wonks like the people who post here.  Most of them see $4/gal gas, $50 for two small bags of groceries, and letters saying that  their health insurance company is stopping their  coverage because of Ocare.

44 Encourage his arrogance, feign weakness, and them crush him

45 Romney needs to have a set of ready to fire specific and exact points on taxes, employment, regulations, foreign policy, etc to deliver. He's not doing real well at that right now, focusing instead on being more vague and general to pull in the largest group of voters. He has to get specific, this isn't 2008 and he can't run on vague generalities, hoping people just fill in what they wish. A website isn't enough, he needs this stuff off the top of his head. What deductions and write offs on taxes do you want to see cut off? How would you deal with Iran? What is your policy on the EPA? Be ready with those policy responses like a kid memorizing math tables.

46 Maybe I sound delusional, but there is no way Spock Ears can win in this economy. The polls are shit. It won't even be close.

47 I know you panicked over the weekend. Nice to see you're out of that mode for the time being, but "bullshit" to the "didn't panic" stuff. About 3/4 of the conservative blogosphere was right there with you, too.

48 Yeah, I have been annoyed by the whole "Romney wanted Detroit to go bankrupt!" meme by the Dems. Because Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy - and then used taxpayer dollars to lard up his cronies in the process.

49

27.....They have to keep the polling data close and the press selling it as a close race, no matter what the truth is.

If its close enough, they can fraud and lawyer it into a win. That's their only hope, and they're working it like Sandra Fluke on a bedpost.

 

I think so too.

 

That's why they trumped up a reason to sue Gallop.

To make an example out of Gallop.

 

It's what Barky and his thugs do....

They pick out the biggest target....then "crucify" them....to make an example out of them, to scare all the others into doing what they want.

 

It's what Barky did to Citibank, to force other banks to make Subprime loans.

It's what he had his EPA goons do, too.

It's a tactic that they keep using.

 

The polls have been compromised.

I don't know how we can trust them...as long as Barky is in power.

50 but there is no way Spock Ears can win in this economy.

You'll be hearing from my lawyers for this libel.

51 #7 In the same way that NRO might be useless....\  How many people sat through 48 minutes of Clinton?

Posted by: tasker at September 10, 2012 02:07 PM (r2PLg)

**starts to raise hand, then notices nobody else is doing it, and quickly lowers hand**

52 I totally disagree that Clinton's speech needs some big rebuttal. Can anyone name a single memorable line from it? That part where he said he did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. That has legs.

53 How about a PAC ad,
Picture of Clinton,
text Worlds #1 liar,
Pic of JEF
Hired to cover for #2

54 About 3/4 of the conservative blogosphere was right there with you, too.
I can't figure out why, either, it was idiotic. Did they really think there'd be no post-convention bounce or something? I thought these people were jaded old political analysts.

55 He said repel and replace.As much as I think Obamacare sucks some parts are popular with the masses. Posted by: the pink not panicking about one poll formerly known as the hobbit Donna at September 10, 2012 02:26 PM (W2Z3C) So what? Free money is popular with the "masses" - not Romney's base but the "masses". We have a Constitution and the GOP is the only party that might be its defender. WIthout that, we have nothing and ought to just split and call it a day. The feral government has NO BUSINESS mucking around in the details of insurance beyond that necessary to insure regular interstate commerce of it. What Romney is talking about has nothing to do with interstate commerce and it's going to kill the base enthusiasm. He ought to just shut his fucking mouth about it.

56 51 #7 In the same way that NRO might be useless....\ How many people sat through 48 minutes of Clinton?

  And ,correct me if I'm ,but isn't Obama running for re-election not Clinton?

57 And ,correct me if I'm WRONG ,but isn't Obama running for re-election not Clinton?

  sorry missed that word

58 So, they say "1.5 million jobs saved."

And we say, what?

It's a lie that frustrates a quick and easy rebuttal. At least for me. 'Cause I R dum.

59 This may make Romney haters on our side heads explode, but ol' Mitt is the only candidate we could have run with a prayer this time around.  And he has better than "a prayer."  He'll likely win.

Do people think that the guys who have run the smartest, best organized campaign a Republican has run since Reagan have suddenly gone stupid, or turned to pussies?  These guys don't bring knives to gun fights.  Clinton's speech was one loooong lie, only loved by folks nostalgic for the good times of the 90's.  And Clinton ain't running this time.  This halo effect wears off in 3...2...1...

It's a bounce folks.  Happens all the time.  And it goes away.  Obama is below 50% approval in every state that counts this time around, and that's AFTER his convention and millions and millions of dollars spent demonizing Mitt.

Some folks are apparently afraid to win.  Mitt isn't.

And he's your next president.

60 Okay, is this a new something or is this the old Romney wants to keep the good parts thing? I thought the official position was repeal. I'm asking because it's blown up again over the weekend and apparently I missed the trigger event. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD you know you want me at September 10, 2012 02:26 PM (VtjlW) No. It's new. He just spoke about letting kids stay on their parents insurance until they die and keeping the laughable "insurance" for pre-existing conditions, which kills the market and has nothing to do with health "insurance".

61 I totally disagree that Clinton's speech needs some big rebuttal.
Can anyone name a single memorable line from it?

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Um... "Depends what your defnition of 'is' is?"

62 What Romney is talking about has nothing to do with interstate commerce and it's going to kill the base enthusiasm. He ought to just shut his fucking mouth about it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 10, 2012 02:30 PM (X3lox)

Citation? I still don't know what he promised that everyone is riled up about.

63 FYI: If you really want the Romney campaign to hear your advice there is a Suggestions page on their website: http://www.mittromney.com/forms/suggestions

I would imagine if enough morons send them the same request & link to the NRO post they would cut an ad on this.

64 Release the R-Money Kraken!

65 I still say that Romney should respond to any comment on Clinton with "I'd love to go back to the spending levels of those years. We had a balanced budget, no obamacare, no stimulus package, no TARP, and we were doing GREAT! I want to return to those days!"
Does that give Clinton credit he doesn't deserve? Sure, but who cares, it will resonate with people and sound all bipartisan. It will also defang any possible Clinton effect.

66 Citation? I still don't know what he promised that everyone is riled up about. Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at September 10, 2012 02:33 PM (xAtAj) One of the Sunday shows - Meat the Press, maybe?

67 No. It's new. He just spoke about letting kids stay on their parents insurance until they die and keeping the laughable "insurance" for pre-existing conditions, which kills the market and has nothing to do with health "insurance". Okay, look, we get it, you don't like Romney, but at least don't make stuff up about him. Spreading disinformation has a tried and true heritage, but, really? You need to be in on that?

68 And ,correct me if I'm ,but isn't Obama running for re-election not Clinton? _______ True. Although there is that one ad that is 60 seconds of Clinton and six seconds of Obama. Don't know if a presidential campaign has ever ran something like that before-- Matthews would call it paternalistic, patronizing and racist if he was honest.

69 So, they say "1.5 million jobs saved." And we say, what?
We say "and yet we've lose x million jobs and unemployment is still over 8% after three years. Clearly what President Obama is doing isn't working and its time for a change."
Don't bother to rebut it, its a lie but its irrelevant, the economy is in horrible shape and everyone knows it.

70 Lurker here, but the whole GM thing is BS.  There is hardly a town in the US that doesn't have or isn't near a shuttered GM plant or car dealership.  I drive by 2 different shuttered dealerships here in south Texas on my way to work everyday.  People see these. Every day.  Clinton gave a good speech, but he didn't get any of those dealers opened back up again.

71

@42....Posted by: alexthechick

 

Seems to be some sort of new nit-picking.

 

Liberals have been saying for months...."Repeal? You mean take away our Healthcare?"

 

So then, Romney has been saying...."Repeal it, and Replace it with some real reforms, that don't destroy our Healthcare System".

Repeal and Replace.

Seems simple enough to me. 

 

 

72 “Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage.”

If that's the thing he said recently, it's been on his friggin website since the beginning.

73 Although there is that one ad that is 60 seconds of Clinton and six seconds of Obama.

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Which I see an awful lot, but oddly no Romney ads.  Did Urkel repeal the equal time law when I wasn't looking?

74 Okay, look, we get it, you don't like Romney, but at least don't make stuff up about him.

Spreading disinformation has a tried and true heritage, but, really? You need to be in on that?

  Exactly. This is nothing new. Romney always said he was going to repeal and replace.I'm sure I'll get whacked here but there are some parts of this POS o-care that the public likes..

75 this is OT for this thread, but is relevant to an older one.  Since I don't read older threads, I assume that you might not either.

the R/R campaign says it is running targeted campaigns for the voters who will make the difference & save the day.

let me tell you how they are doing this in Va which is so crazy:  we Republican volunteers are supposed to go door-to-door & ask "if the election were held today, blah blah"

we are NOT to take any R/R info, no George Allen info or any Congressional candidate info.

I was in sales for years.  Here's how to close the sale:  If the homeowner says "yes, I plan to vote for Romney & Republican downticket"--ask could you put yard signs there.  Close the deal!  right then & there!

76 Forgot to add--the campaign ad by Clinton might just confuse the children and the senile into thinking Clinton is running.

77 Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at September 10, 2012 02:33 PM (xAtAj)




Here's an NRO article that explains what he said and why there's some confusion over the "keruffle" that came after his remarks



http://tinyurl.com/d2c2b89

78 Troll smiting on twitter is almost as fun as troll smiting here.

More of you should take it up.

79 Which I see an awful lot, but oddly no Romney ads. Did Urkel repeal the equal time law when I wasn't looking? Posted by: mediumheadboy at September 10, 2012 02:36 PM (aHR5E) _____________________ What state do you see it playing? I think I saw it in Colorado.

80 Low volt sales means we lose $89,000 per vehicle built.  For every one sold we only recover $40,000 and for every one leased we recover $5,050.

GM needs to cease production now and not build any until the entire inventory has been used up.

81 After 2010  the WI push back I'm kind of feeling this would be Romney in the black trunks on election day http://tinyurl.com/9yua8q5

82 Romney's reforms look fine.

People who have been responsible in getting care get to keep their care even if they want to/have to switch jobs or lose their job coverage.

This coupled with making it much easier to get coverage without job coverage also makes this a much more worker-friendly system for a much cheaper cost.

83 let me tell you how they are doing this in Va which is so crazy: we Republican volunteers are supposed to go door-to-door ask "if the election were held today, blah blah" we are NOT to take any R/R info, no George Allen info or any Congressional candidate info. _________________________ What the hell?

84 Here in OK we've got 4.9% unemployment.  BUT, even here, many of the people who voted for the SCOAMT in 2008 will be voting for Romney.   They see that something is terribly terribly wrong with where this country  is headed right now.  Even if they can't put it into words, there's dread associated with another Baraka term.

85 In my legal practice, one of the most difficult things for clients is to ignore the daily ups and downs of their case. I even warn them that no one has a perfect case - or else we would not be in court. Our job is to present the most persuasive case that we can. We plan our strategy and adjust as necessary. But NEVER, NEVER fight on the the other guy's battle ground. It's also difficult to have them understand that there is no guaranteed outcome. The only outcome I can guarantee is losing because we don't put up a fight. It's not to say that you cannot assess the other side's arguments and strengths. It is imperative to do so. But cases have internal logic and structure. Sometimes you win and do not necessarily put on the best case. Sometimes you do the best work you have ever done, and still come out on the wrong side of the argument. The point being: Vigorously contend with the things you can control; accept that you do not have everything under control; and have the wisdom to know the difference (my paraphrase of the quote). My considered opinion is that the logic and structure of the election is on our side. Since 2008, people have simply lost too much to accept the same ass-kicking for four more years. Anyway, we need to stop reacting with every twist and turn. Otherwise, the only people who will profit are those who sell Prilosec.

86 Every long journey begins with the first step.  In the same manner, every person here who educates a non-political following voter, is taking that first step to completing this important journey.

87 in Va, the past months have been to gather info with door-to-door.  gather intel, not advocacy.

but then again, I live on a dirt road.  so what do I know?

if Mitt & George Allen blow out Virginia on Election Day, I'll gladly admit that I was wrong.

88 I totally disagree that Clinton's speech needs some big rebuttal. Can anyone name a single memorable line from it? --- Better put some ice on that?

89 "I'd love to see the various claims of Obama and Clinton run in a Romney add with the words 'LIE' or 'MISLEADING' popping up, with the actual facts rebutting them."

Good luck. The GOP is loathe to use the term "lie" even when it's obvious. Sure, they'll snicker and euphemize with an assumption that "everyone will get it." Um, no they won't. Soft-peddling with rhetoric provides an out for necessary critique. People will fill in the more passive critique with, "Well that's just politics. I'm pretty sure each side just has a different point of view of the same facts. It's not really a lie because 'lie' wasn't asserted."

Use the word! It won't kill you particularly if you have the facts. The Progressives have been using it and look how much traction they get with it even when they know they're lying about the "lie". You better use the strong language or you won't get a hearing. The term is an alarm. Ring the fookin' alarm!

90

I don't get the angst.  I really don't.  Clinton lied, Dems got to feel good about themselves for a couple days, and......

 

They have nothing.  And don't worry about the Romney campaign figuring out how to answer it.  Frankly, I don't think they need to acknowledge Clinton's remarks, at all!  Bill Clinton isn't on the ballot, and some sweet drawling words from him aren't going to change the fact that the Dems are trying to reelect the Scoamf. 

 

With 8% unemployment (real ue even higher), and REAL inflation killing people who ARE employed.  We're going to reelect the Scoamf because Clinton gave a good speech?  Does that even remotely make sense to you?  If so, how? 

91 Those honkies, Romney and Ryan, want to take you back to the days of Archie and Edith Bunker, and that Meathead, Michael Stivic!

92

let me tell you how they are doing this in Va which is so crazy: we Republican volunteers are supposed to go door-to-door ask "if the election were held today, blah blah"

we are NOT to take any R/R info, no George Allen info or any Congressional candidate info.

 

 

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Take some and hand it out anyway.  What's the campaign going to do to you?  Fire you?   Bwuahahahaha! 

93 The point being: Vigorously contend with the things you can control; accept that you do not have everything under control; and have the wisdom to know the difference (my paraphrase of the quote).

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at September 10, 2012 02:42 PM (dizKt)

Where did you get your law degree? At an AA meeting?

Just kidding.

94 on some of my lib FB pages, they are writing "we must keep moving this country FORWARD".  how could they not see what is going on?  these are smart people

95 Bad news:  Mitt Romney has lost Time magazine, Mark Halperin specifically.

96

More of you should take it up.

 

If I could log into the account I created back in May, I  would.  Their fully automated "help" is useless.

97 Posted by: kelley in virginia at September 10, 2012 02:43 PM (p3a8+) ________________ The super organized GOP GOTV thing is a myth.

98 They need to rebut this. It was the strongest part of the convention. Surprised NR didn't mention GM selling a deep discounts to get those numbers up. Further brand devaluation.

99 how could they not see what is going on? these are smart people

I think your premise may require some reevaluation.

100 1. Obama campaigned earlier than ever 2. Obama just finished his convention 3. Romney has collected a lot of money 4. Romney hasn't been able to spend it. Until now. This should be Obama's high water mark in the campaign. I think the left knows it and is hoping to exploit it and get some unforced errors. I don't doubt we are slightly down. I'm not happy with that but I expect we will constantly chip away at it from here on out.

101

86...amen.

I can't rmember anything from Clinton's speech. It's not  a case a selective memory, I can't remember anything Romney or Ryan said either. In fact, the only things I DO remember from either convention is Eastwood, Granholm, and Joe "literally" Biden. And I ain't no low information voter.  

The only constant is the crappy economy and the high gas prices.

102

Seems like there ought to be a place - perhaps in the debates - where they could throw in a zinger that says, basically, "Mr. Obama, you are NO Bill Clinton."

 

I still find it odd that a president who managed to get elected, despite having been a draft dodger (contrast that record to "w"), who was one of only two ever impeached, and who had what had to be the most embarassing scandal the county has ever seen - is still so popular.  Oh, and he literally LOST the nuclear codes. It's really quite astounding, and tells you what we are up against.

 

And so we are in a position of arguing with a popular guy, who's not making any sense at all, while trying to distance him from Obama, who he supposedly doesn't even like.  Yikes.

 

103

on some of my lib FB pages, they are writing "we must keep moving this country FORWARD". how could they not see what is going on? these are smart people

 

 

They aren't smart. If they're mindlessly repeating slogans, that's a big clue.

104 In fact, the only things IDO remember from either convention is Eastwood, Granholm, and Joe "literally" Biden. And I ain't no low information voter. The only constant is the crappy economy and the high gas prices. Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at September 10, 2012 02:46 PM (YmPwQ) The only thing I remember from either convention is Eastwood and all the Yankee games I watched during the Democratic one

105 Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at September 10, 2012 02:40 PM (xAtAj) If you say so. I don't buy it. So sue me. He should just say "repeal it, since it's un-American and un-Constitutional" and leave it at that, because that is what the GOP base wants - no matter what crap is on his web site. But, if you folks think that hemming and hawing about the single biggest issue of the Barky term and the worst piece of criminal legislation pushed through in the most insane way imaginable (and illegal) is the way to go, who am I to argue? And now everyone is wondering why this whole bullshit story about GM and Italian Chrysler has been allowed to blossom without much pushback, at all ... Gee, that's a real poser.

106 Optimizer , don't forget that he's also a rapist during a time the DNC is promoting themselves as the party protecting women.

107 we hand out yard signs as fast as we get 'em

108 Yes, it would be helpful to have some ads extolling correct information to rebut the Clinton speech horseshit. But as the saying goes, "A lie can travel half-way around the world before truth puts its shoes on." That is, rebutting simple bumper-sticker liberal talking points (a.k.a bullshit) often involves strolling-through-the-weeds levels of examination in order to fully WHY it's bullshit; not always an easy thing to pull off with simple sloganeering and 30 second advertisements. It ain't always just a simple of matter of saying, "Hey, everything that guy just said is bullshit" -- explaining the reason is often more involved than Snooky America has the patience to listen to.

109 GM like Solyndra is a rat hole for prezzy to piss your money down, the company was looted long ago by the Delphi Parts division and the executives of GM, now long retired. They had an aerospace division, now gone. Now they have bad electronics in ther vehicles similar but not quite as bad as Lucas electric from Europe. They had the premier Diesel Engine Division sold or given to Penske. Now we have the Honorable Landlords making Diesels, go figure.

110

They have nothing. And don't worry about the Romney campaign figuring out how to answer it. Frankly, I don't think they need to acknowledge Clinton's remarks, at all! Bill Clinton isn't on the ballot, and some sweet drawling words from him aren't going to change the fact that the Dems are trying to reelect the Scoamf.

 

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Come to think of it, I think that's exactly what they want us to start doing.  Start running against Clinton like they've tried,  even in this election cycle, to run against Bush.   Folks, this is just another squirrel.

 

The focus needs to remain on Baraka, his regime, and the dems. 

 

 

111 He should just say "repeal it, since it's un-American and un-Constitutional" and leave it at that, because that is what the GOP base wants - no matter what crap is on his web site.

Here's the deal.  One of those two things Romney has direct influence (even power) over if he's elected.  On the other, he has only indirect (if still substantial) influence. 

The President can (and probably should, considering squishes and Low-info voters) run on "Repeal and Replace."  Members of the House and Senate can run on "Repeal Only" based on their own districts.

While winning isn't the point, it's a necessary objective.

112

The polls have given Obama a bounce because they oversampled registered empty chairs.

113 So RR needs to make 'responding to MFM and Democrat (BIRM) lies' their central campaign tactic?  Yah.  That oughta do it.

114 The current troll is getting old, though.  The circular argument has now progressed into a "but they are both important" argument, and an assertion that the Chicago teachers need a 22% raise for COLA adjustments.

It is to laugh.

115 Wha? Mitt is speaking with Obozo at Clintons charity initiative next month.   http://tinyurl.com/94kdlg6

116 The current troll is getting old, though.

yeah.  That's why I quit bothering to rebut.

117 96 Bad news: Mitt Romney has lost Time magazine, Mark Halperin specifically.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2012 02:45 PM (YXmuI)

Game over man! Game over!

118 Too don't forget the DOJ is harrssing Gallup mainly for using 2010 models in their polling.

119 POP what is the purpose of spreading FUD about what Romney said on the Sunday show? He did not hem nor haw.

120

102... In fact, the only things IDO remember from either convention is Eastwood, Granholm, and Joe "literally" Biden.

 

The Empty Chair.....and then, the 'Fear of empty seats in the big Stadium'. 

 

The only constant is the crappy economy and the high gas prices.

 

Yep. No Jobs...and High Gas Prices.

If the Preezy really cared about these things, he could've done something about them.

Simple things....like allowing the Keystone Pipeline to happen.

That would've been a twofer.

 

We should be asking...is Barky just incompetent? ...Or is he doing it to us on purpose?

121

'70  We say "and yet we've lose x million jobs and unemployment is still over 8% after three years. Clearly what President Obama is doing isn't working and its time for a change."

Don't bother to rebut it, its a lie but its irrelevant, the economy is in horrible shape and everyone knows it.'

 

 

I like it. The GM thing is just another distraction.  Probably the bigger points, as far as that goes, is that he screwed over non-union pensioners (including my wife's uncle), and spoke of wanting to repeat the partial-nationalization of other companies - even though there are no "too-big-to-fail" companies on the brink right now.

 

This urge to nationalize is an obvious symptom of his socialist bent.  It drives me nuts.  If it has duck parents, grew up with ducks, hangs out with ducks, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, do you REALLY have to have a note FROM THE DUCK saying, "Hey, stupid, I'm a duck!" before you start to think, "Gee, the feathered fowl over there just MIGHT be a duck!"  Seriously!!!

 

122 Yeah, I'll probably leave off soon, too.  I'll let him get the last word (because he'll keep going until he does, anyway) so he can feel good about himself. 

123 Wha? Mitt is speaking with Obozo at Clintons charity initiative next month. http://tinyurl.com/94kdlg6 Posted by: Sonny Spats at September 10, 2012 02:52 PM (Bm4aK) Just fucking great ... ☠

124

Hey, I'm all for rebutting lies. However, there is a very limited ROI on this type of thing.

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Nobody who saw or heard of the Clinton speech is undecided. At the very most, 30 million might have caught it, out of 160 million who will vote in November. There are no such thing as true undecideds in an election year like this who watch conventions or listen to political media.

Mitt should stick with the daisy cutter strategy and expand the battlefield to as many states as possible. Use the superior resources to drain Obama dry. Make him fight to keep Connecticut. Try some ads in Washington and Oregon. Fuck with him a little.

125 GM like Solyndra is a rat hole for prezzy to piss your money down...

Govt should just sign all remaining GM stock over to the UAW and wash its hands of this.  Yea, we'll take a haircut, but it won't be nearly as bad as hanging on and having a never ending stream of bailouts.  Let the UAW own it...then they can strike against themselves if they want to.

126 Come to think of it, I think that's exactly what they want us to start doing ____________ Damn it good point. Ignore Clinton it's chaff.

127

"Can anyone name a single memorable line from it?"

 

*extends an index finger upward*  "Yew will feel it!" 

 

OK, I admit.  Only  remember this line because  of  Drudge.

128 Ace is right. No one reads NRO. The left has no problem screaming "LIES" but throws a fit if anyone on the right uses the L-word. Which is why R & R sound like pussies saying things like "falsehood" and "misfabrication." The had better realize the other guy brought a gun to the fight. An H&K MP-5 might do.

129 I would also like to see ads pounding Obama over his frequent golfing and things like skipping his intelligence briefing. I just saw this today: http://wapo.st/OAKJ1N

130 @ 127 your the next financial TOP adviser for Romney!!!!

131 Where did you get your law degree? At an AA meeting? Just kidding. Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2012 02:44 PM (m2CN7) Degree? What?!?

132

.....A single memorable line from Clinton's speech?

 

"No one...could've repaired the damage"

 

That's the line that they want  us  to  remember.

But it's a Lie.

Reagan did it.....and without any bailouts.

133

With all due respect Ace: YOU ARE FULL OF IT!!  Keep pedaling your crap!  You totally overreacted and gave Clinton way too much credit.  You are just like people on the Left Doubling Down of your mistake and then trying to buffer it.  You acted totally PANICKED....Keep all your pieces and junk about Clinton...But spare me that what Clinton said was a lie but powerful.  NO IT WAS POWERFUL to mindless drones.  It was the like Dick Morris said...A southern lawyer defending a guilty man.  You fell for it and then took to the Internet and caused so much unnecessary grief.  You and Allahpundit should realize that you started the trickle that was way over the TOP....and remember you said YOU WERE MORE EEYORISH than Allah.  So you both sounded bad.   Allah is a moron anyway and has no business being anywhere except on the left like Daily Kos and Huff Post. 

 

Nevermind Ace that you like Gallup even though their Approval Number is based on Adults and their head to head is Registered Voters....but you ran with your doom and gloom...That was not helpful and was way too quick to react.  Bill Clinton is a legend to some but just as many think he is a wet shirt.

 

You also never talked about the Swing State Poll of Ras...that TODAY after all the BS of yours and Allah's rubbish talk of a bounce...OBAMA is up 46/45....ONE POINT in the Swing States!!  After all that weekend polling and masterful speech by Bill Clinton...ONE POINT!!   That is not going up...in fact Dick Morris nailed it the other night...Obama would gain 2-4 points but by Friday of this week it will be back to tied and then by next Monday he thinks it will beging to move to Romney.  He can be wrong but he knows Clinton alot better then you. 

 

Why in Swing States...because we are getting all the ads!  Great ads came out yesterday here in Florida from some of the Super Pacs for Romney and they were excellent right during football.  While a national poll may show a modest bounce the Swing States did not.  And those states like mine in Florida will determine the winner.  With those ads starting to hit Obama yesterday and moving forward I suspect Romney will be back in lead in Swing State by Friday or Monday.  I know many of you not in the swing states do not see the ads but we do and that is why OBAMA is at 46 in swing states....nowhere near 49 or 50.    Remember those swing states also include Penn and MI where ACCURATE polls like PPP have Obama up by like 9 and 7 points respectively....The 46/45 is Ras but just illustrating a point with PPP and swing states. 

 

 

134

"we are NOT to take any R/R info, no George Allen info or any Congressional candidate info. "

 

People who  are  confused or frustrated by this need to go back and re-read kelley's post.  What RR is doing with this is A GOOD THING.

 

Go to the door.

Are you voting for RR?

If yes, then proceed to offer yard sign.

If no, move on, and probably make note of address.

 

You will get yard signs  in a lot of places here.  Quickly, which is key.

 

If a  resident who said  "no"  to the question goes out to get their mail the next day, and sees four neighbors  on their street that have sprouted  RR signs, they might do a little thinkin' on the reasons they  gave  the door-to-door volunteer the day before.  They'll probably get hit again later, by phone  or by another door-to-door.  But in the meantime,   the campaign  has done excellent time-management.

 

That door-to-door volunteer could have probably swapped that one person, after talking to them for 45 minutes.  Or they could have blown that 45 minutes and gotten nowhere.  Either way, that was 45 minutes spent at  one house, and that probably equates to  a good dozen RR signs that were easy placements  that didn't get done because of that one person.

 

Pass 1 - get out the easy signs.  Take notes.

Pass 2 - if necessary, go back and re-engage the harder sells.

135 #51  I sat through all 51 minutes but I didn't listen to him.  I was just looking to see if he ran over and kept Obama out of prime time (which he did).  I derived much amusement from the thought of Obama waiting in the wings and Michelle's frowny face while watching.

136 yeah, forget rebuttals formulate our own message and stay on it rebuttals = defense let the Left rebut our goddam message, for once

137 #95 Kelley:  Unfortunately they are not as smart as they think they are.

138 Game over man! Game over!

Posted by: Corporal Hicks, concerned conservative at September 10, 2012 02:53 PM (RD7QR)

Dangerously close to spewing my drink everywhere at work.

139 In my state, if you sign a sworn affidavit that you have watched every season of Law and Order, you can hang a shingle.

140

I got into a discussion with someone   the other weekend about WHY! OH WHY! does America feel like we need to spend so much money on teh militareez.

 

This was  not a person that would have really responded  well to an in-depth  explanation of  why and how, exactly,  we do not  want "fair fights"  in war.  So I offered that explanation, but moved on quickly to  educate  by illustration.

 

Reagan spent  a lot of money on the military, right?  Pretty much agreed to on face value, right there.

So Reagan set up a big spendy military, which Bush I used in Kuwait.  And as a result of all that spending, Kuwait was...well...Kuwait.  A blow-out.

 

Perhaps too good of a blow-out.  After Bush I,  Clinton came along, glommed onto the notion of military overspending, and gutted a lot of military expenditures.  Pretty much agreed  to there, as well, at face-value.

 

So Clinton set up a much less spendy military, which Bush II used in Afganistan.  And, as a result of that non-spending, A'stan has been...well...A'stan.

141 Even so, I lied.

142

"In my state, if you sign a sworn affidavit that you have watched every season of Law and Order, you can hang a shingle."

 

SWEET!

 

Wait...does that include all the SVU and Criminal  Intent ones, too?

 

Because, while I probably missed half the SVUs, I can totally do that whole "lean-sideways while I ask a very leading question" thing that Goren would do.

 

Very effective in interrogation, which means it is probably just as effective during cross-examination.

143 Yes, you learn all those techniques as well as effective projection of brooding angst.

144 Bill Clinton: a lying liar who lies. This point can not be stressed enough. And when Bubba Jeff cries foul, give him the Joe Isuzu treatment... http://youtu.be/IGUBm0XQbqA

145 If you want to become a judge, they discourage the additional training of SUV and CI. I keed. (Maybe)

146 rebuttals = defense let the Left rebut our goddam message, for once Unless the attack is effective. We are not in much of a position to gauge that from our perspective. But, yeah, otherwise let it roll off. Otherwise, you legitimize the attack.

147 I would like to see RR knock GM down. I wonder if there's focus group data that keeps them from attacking directly? Eg, a strong rebuttal requires taking on unions. Would even a soft anti-union message hurt Republicans with the Independents / swing voters?

148 Easy answer to GM Ford didnt take the fucking money.

149 As to keeping parts of Obamafuckingcare, the public likesthe 26 year rule. As a parent with ahandicapped child, id love to keep him onmy plan for aslongas i am alive, even if ihad to payan additional fee.

150 Not to worry, Ace. The bounce is officially over: IBD has a poll just out with Obama at 2%. Just one poll but a sure sign the eagle has landed. In a week it'll be a dead heat.

151 Late as usual, but agree with this. And the rebuttal should be harsh, not mincing words just because our beloved, playboy ex Prez happens to be the one who made the speech. The rebuttal needs to call them out not only for being wrong, but for throwing crap on the table and hoping it would stick. 

152 These comments contain all the phases of grief.... Sorry - You're losing. You know you're losing.

153 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

154 I'd like to see a poster showing GM's share price from the bailout date to today, with a caption like "GM is Thriving! We did this! O."