August 12, 2012

Rich Lowry Half-Remembers Obama Cutting $700 Billion From Medicare
— Ace

By the way, it was $500 billion, but I guess another $200 billion came from the sequestration as part of the debt-ceiling deal? I guess that's how it became $700 billion.

Anyway, Republicans are not going to let Democrats MediScare without noting, over and over again, that Obama chopped $700 billion out of Medicare, but simultaneously wants to run as the guy who will fight for every dime.

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1 I got an erection watching this

Posted by: Brotherhood of Sacked Hammers at August 12, 2012 09:48 AM (BAnPT)

2 Poor Rachel was in over her head...

Posted by: packsoldier at August 12, 2012 09:49 AM (Hn7oJ)

3 We keep hearing how "brilliant" Madcow is.  Kinda like how "brilliant" Barky is.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 09:50 AM (UOM48)

4 Honestly, I don't have a problem with the GOP hitting back. We have to note over and over and over that they other guys is not a welfare state warrior, and that in fact he is simply speeding up insolvency. Let's make this boat stable, then convince people that we don't need this boat at all.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at August 12, 2012 09:51 AM (MrM2k)

5 Madcow places her claw on Rich's shoulder around 2:28. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 09:54 AM (UOM48)

6 Was Lowrey adding in the "doc fix"?

Posted by: Albie Damned at August 12, 2012 09:54 AM (Yhu4q)

7 That is to say: Medicare et al. are still hugely popular with Americans, there is simply no way that we can convince Americans that we simply don't need such programs in three months. Simply getting to the point where the individual mandate is unpopular was hard enough. Baby steps.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at August 12, 2012 09:54 AM (MrM2k)

8 Let us not forget that Mr. Middle Class warrior also cut the money going into Social Security with his payroll tax cut.  Talk about a twofer.  He gets to claim a tax cut while cutting the funds for Social Security, and no one on the left even bats an eyelash.

Posted by: no good deed at August 12, 2012 09:55 AM (mjR67)

9 Who is that little boy talking to Lowry?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 12, 2012 09:55 AM (jucos)

10 >>I got an erection watching this

Yeah, Rachel makes my bean swell up too

Posted by: kd lang at August 12, 2012 09:56 AM (Yhu4q)

11 Moar Ryan!  They're in High Point, NC.

*fans self*


Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 09:56 AM (UOM48)

12 Well done Mr. Lowry.

In celebration I plan to watch with special care the presentation from Rio during tonight's Closing Ceremony as the next host.  For, no matter the travails of the conservative fight, we shall always have "CHICAGO IS OOUUUUUT?!" with us.

Posted by: Filly at August 12, 2012 09:56 AM (flZ3r)

13 Star Khan Reince Priebus reads the comments.

Posted by: toby928© make the 15 second ads that the RNC won't at August 12, 2012 09:57 AM (QupBk)

14 I admire Rich's restraint in the face of such obstinate stupidity.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 09:58 AM (UOM48)

15 And they also ought to be plunking his magic twanger with that story about the non-union people, a great big crowd of them, getting Sopticked by Obama in the GM gumming takeover. They got Sopticked, for sure.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at August 12, 2012 09:58 AM (PH+2B)

16 I'd rather read the transcript. Listening to Democrats gives me a headache.

Posted by: eman at August 12, 2012 09:58 AM (u3Rkr)

17 Ryan:  "We need you to talk to your friend.  We need you to talk to your neighbors.  This election is so important we even need you to talk to your family!"

Posted by: Tami at August 12, 2012 09:59 AM (X6akg)

18 Anyone catch that Rachel, by not disagreeing with Rich Lowry, admitted tht Obama cut $700 Billion? That seems astounding to me that she did not lie that one away.

Posted by: Baldy at August 12, 2012 09:59 AM (opS9C)

19 17 Ryan: "We need you to talk to your friend. We need you to talk to your neighbors. This election is so important we even need you to talk to your family!"



Noooooo!  It would be like trying to talk to Madcow.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 10:00 AM (UOM48)

20 That's gummint. Fucking iPhone.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at August 12, 2012 10:00 AM (PH+2B)

21

Sweep the Leg, Lowry!

Posted by: garrett at August 12, 2012 10:00 AM (kkgf3)

22 Yeah at least the GOP is hammering this one. So often they just let stuff slide that they should be bringing up every opportunity.
Its not that I like Medicare or think it should be federally funded, its that the Democrats are slashing it then acting like the GOP wants old people to die.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2012 10:00 AM (r4wIV)

23 Ryan is sweeping the leg right now. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 10:01 AM (UOM48)

24 "We keep hearing how "brilliant" Madcow is. Kinda like how "brilliant" Barky is."
I think its a relative thing. Compared to the average media talking head, her and Jon Stewart are brilliant.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2012 10:01 AM (r4wIV)

25 That Maddow man is a really manly looking man, for a man.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 12, 2012 10:01 AM (VrVBw)

26 Madcow places her claw on Rich's shoulder around 2:28.

Eww. I hope Rich scrubbed that shoulder

Posted by: Boulder Hobo, lord of the chartreuse longbow at August 12, 2012 10:01 AM (QTHTd)

27 Why is it that Dems are such rude motormouths, always interrupting others?

Posted by: Grandma Mimi at August 12, 2012 10:02 AM (irv8n)

28 I'm pretty sure we medaled in the sequesration event.  USA!!!!

Posted by: Sherrif Joe Biden at August 12, 2012 10:02 AM (kpCLl)

29 That $700 billion acted stupidly.

Posted by: eman at August 12, 2012 10:02 AM (u3Rkr)

30 I tell you,Crichton, if that  Rachel Maddow was about 20 years younger...

Posted by: Harry Reid at August 12, 2012 10:03 AM (kkgf3)

31 Every single time Obama's name is mentioned it needs to be followed by "who slashed 700 billion from Medicare"

Posted by: forest at August 12, 2012 10:03 AM (7RBBe)

32 27 Why is it that Dems are such rude motormouths, always interrupting others?

Posted by: Grandma Mimi at August 12, 2012 02:02 PM (irv8n




Well, to be fair, we've got O'Reilly.  On second thought, O'Reilly claims to be a registered independent, so we don't claim him.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 10:03 AM (UOM48)

33

well, stephanie Cutter is proud that they cut 700 billion from Medicare.... she said so on See-BS this morning.

 

http://tinyurl.com/9yz3n8b

Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 12, 2012 10:03 AM (ACkhT)

34

...handsome lad, that's all I'm saying, Crichton, old boy. 

That's a handome lad.

Posted by: Harry Reid at August 12, 2012 10:04 AM (kkgf3)

35 Good job Rich ... of not telling the truth. Obama, under the Affordable Care Act, does not reduce benefits. Obamacare just gets the same result for less money. http://tinyurl.com/ Quote: So does it “cut” Medicare by $500 billion? Medicare spending will continue to grow, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), but ACA will slow that growth. According to a report from the Kaiser Family Health Foundation over the next 10 years, the federal government will devote about $500 billion less to Medicare than it would have without ACA. CMS and the Kaiser Family Foundation tell ABC News that there will be no benefit cuts to Medicare. They say instead of Medicare’s being cut, there will be much more spending at the end of a 10-year window, but it does slow the rate of that growth. This is all unless Congress makes drastic changes to Medicare, for example passing House Budget Chairman Rep. Paul Ryan’s Medicare Plan. CMS says—and Kaiser agrees—that spending will be reduced by getting rid of fraud and ending overpayments to private insurance companies. It sends a message to those insurance companies: Operate more efficiently. And instead of cuts, the CMS says they will be able to fund new benefits, including free preventive care and broader prescription coverage, including closing the “doughnut hole” affecting seniors.

Posted by: BigJesusBoy at August 12, 2012 10:04 AM (X8xK3)

36 Ryan is helping in one area immediately...Mitt is a new man on the stump, color me impressed.

Posted by: Tony253 at August 12, 2012 10:05 AM (3yMFT)

37 awesome, trolls under the 50 mark

Posted by: Filly at August 12, 2012 10:05 AM (flZ3r)

38 27 because we dems have the power of 'fynq' Just saying.....don't h8

Posted by: navycopjoe at August 12, 2012 10:05 AM (5tiWJ)

39 Actually Obamacare gets *more* done with less money. "And instead of cuts, the CMS says they will be able to fund new benefits, including free preventive care and broader prescription coverage, including closing the “doughnut hole” affecting seniors." But don't let facts get in the way.

Posted by: BigJesusBoy at August 12, 2012 10:06 AM (X8xK3)

40 Filly -- I'm not a troll. I come with facts. You don't like the fact that Rich Lowry is being untruthful? Take that up with him.

Posted by: BigJesusBoy at August 12, 2012 10:07 AM (X8xK3)

41 Romney needs to distance himself from Ryan's plan.  He needs to say he will use the best ideas from Ryan's plans, but they will be his own.

One other thing we need to hit back on.  The internet is flooded with articles stating Ryan lived on SS Survivor benefit payments to his mother when his father died.  All true. But in the next breath they say those are the very benefits he wants to do away with.  Ryan's SS reform plan left Survivor Benefits and Disability untouched.  That needs to be strewssed over and over.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 12, 2012 10:07 AM (UTq/I)

42 Honestly, I don't have a problem with the GOP hitting back.


Honestly, I will sacrifice the cutest bunnies I can find if only the GOP starts hitting back. 



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at August 12, 2012 10:07 AM (Gk3SS)

43 that spending will be reduced by getting rid of fraud Heh. The Magic of Fraud Reduction. Couldn't get waste and abuse to join up, Joe?

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 10:08 AM (QupBk)

44

And instead of cuts, the CMS says they will be able to fund new benefits, including free preventive care and broader prescription coverage, including closing the “doughnut hole” affecting seniors.

 

I'm back, baby - Taste the Fecal Rainbow!

 

Posted by: Unicorn what shits Skittles at August 12, 2012 10:08 AM (kkgf3)

45 "Good job Rich ... of not telling the truth. Obama, under the Affordable Care Act, does not reduce benefits. Obamacare just gets the same result for less money."
That's not the argument. The argument is that the Democrats insist that the GOP wants to slash spending in entitlements AS THEY DID EXACTLY WHAT THEY ACCUSE THE GOP OF DOING.
Which is why the left wants this to be kept out of the public eye.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2012 10:08 AM (r4wIV)

46 Smell the fear.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 10:08 AM (UOM48)

47 Damn.  Romney's on fire.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 10:09 AM (UOM48)

48 Shouldn't this show be named Meet the DNC Propaganda Wing? 

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit S.O.B. at August 12, 2012 10:09 AM (vt8fq)

49 Smell the fear. Yep. I shall garnish my margarita's with their tears. FINISH HIM!

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 10:09 AM (QupBk)

50 Romney's sweepin' the leg.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 10:10 AM (UOM48)

51 Effin apostrophes, how do they work?!?

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 10:10 AM (QupBk)

52 Exactly right they are owned.

Ryan wants the 700 billion on the backside as we wean the people off the program.  The current benificiary pays no blood I will pay some and have a hard time securing my care but my son will be free to keep his money to fund his....


modify the rebuttal from "Romney is at the top of the ticket" to "neither man wants to see current recipients cut" and we have a winner....

the muleess there is trying to draw false equivalency, Ryan's plan has not been passed.....

Barack Obama's is done and was passed by Democrats over our dead goodamned bodies...

they are done.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 10:10 AM (LRFds)

53 I heard Madcow was the inspiration for Duke Nukem.  They had to tone it down a bit, though.  They were afraid of scaring the horses.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 12, 2012 10:11 AM (04fgZ)

54 Wow...a new and improved Romney Animatron 2.0

Posted by: Albie Damned at August 12, 2012 10:11 AM (Yhu4q)

55

Why don't gop point blank ask, why did you idiot dems vote for 500 Billion cuts to Medicare? *deflection by the idiot dem*, "Are you denying that 500 billion will be cut from Medicare, the Medicare actuary says so!, if you were so concerned about Medicare, why didn't you read the damn bill first! you might have found out 500 billion is cut from medicare!".

 

Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 12, 2012 10:12 AM (ACkhT)

56 I'm sorry. Did you just claim that he increased benefits while cutting spending? Will. Never. Happen.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 12, 2012 10:12 AM (GEICT)

57 "That's not the argument. The argument is that the Democrats insist that the GOP wants to slash spending in entitlements AS THEY DID EXACTLY WHAT THEY ACCUSE THE GOP OF DOING. Which is why the left wants this to be kept out of the public eye." You're not understanding the argument. You must be conservative. Let me make it simple for you: People rip the Ryan plan because he reduces benefits. The voucher system he wants to turn medicare into reduces benefits for future seniors. As future seniors grow older, they will have to come out of pocket more and more to pay for their health benefits. Under Obamacare, that's not the case. Benefits are actually increased.

Posted by: BigJesusBoy at August 12, 2012 10:12 AM (X8xK3)

58 39 BJB,


yeah and solar will make up the lost energy and E-`15% won't weat engines....


YOU never let facts get in the way of rhetoric in the past w/medicare and I am gonna laugh when you get hit back.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 10:12 AM (LRFds)

59 Jesus, John lighten up. You might upset the media

Posted by: John McCain at August 12, 2012 10:13 AM (Yhu4q)

60 I agree, a much stronger Romney, even from just 2 weeks ago.

Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 12, 2012 10:14 AM (ACkhT)

61 ...and thanks to ObamaCare's  new 'Just the Tip' Policy and the 'I Won't Cum In Your Donut Hole', (on our) Man-Date.  We'll ALL be saving money!

Posted by: Hey!Zeus'BoyToy at August 12, 2012 10:14 AM (kkgf3)

62 Smell the fear.

---

To crush your enemies, and see them fall at your feet - to take their horses and belongings, and to hear the lamentation of their women and their Madcows too. That is the best life.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 12, 2012 10:14 AM (04fgZ)

63 BigJesusBoy:
So does it “cut” Medicare by $500 billion?
...
the federal government will devote about $500 billion less to Medicare

At this point, you're just quibbling over semantics.

And as Christopher Taylor points out, it's a red herring anyhow.  You're missing Lowry's point entirely.

Posted by: sandy burger at August 12, 2012 10:14 AM (NoEzL)

64 When the frenetic hand waving reaches Nancy Pelosi's level of absurdity, you know hamster wheels are grinding metal.

Posted by: Fritz at August 12, 2012 10:14 AM (RuVpG)

65 The sensation of holding the MediScare card, for once, is giving me the blue veiner. Petard, meet hoist.

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 10:14 AM (QupBk)

66 So the argument from the left is that, "Yeah, we cut $500 billion from Medicare, but we only cut those that money to providers! Recipients get the same amount!" Do they not see the mathematical problem with this? Really?

Posted by: Tommy V at August 12, 2012 10:14 AM (iJ5jJ)

67 This should be required watching for a future journalist classes.
Force them to answer the question or make them look like morons.

Posted by: Ball of Hate at August 12, 2012 10:14 AM (AREf/)

68 >>>modify the rebuttal from "Romney is at the top of the ticket" to "neither man wants to see current recipients cut" and we have a winner.... they already did. Ryan's plan doesn't touch benefits for those 55 or older.

Posted by: ace at August 12, 2012 10:14 AM (fxHyG)

69 57 BJB,

You must be a paid liar or a fucking retard, let me make it simple for you....high speed rail will make money because people will magically just want to ride it.....

see assertion

reality without HEAVY coercion

people drive their fucking cars we subsidize the rail...

You are asking me to take on blind faith your analysis I am stating simple motherfucking fact Barack Obama stole 700 billion and rising of Seniors' care funding to give to his voters.

OWN IT

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 10:14 AM (LRFds)

70 5 Madcow places her claw hoof on Rich's shoulder around 2:28.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 01:54 PM (UOM4


FIFY

Posted by: Joe Mama at August 12, 2012 10:15 AM (JmfiE)

71 Hey BigJesusBoy, when did you get in from MediaMatters?

Posted by: Joey Biden at August 12, 2012 10:15 AM (bRK91)

72 So, now we have the troll saying EbolaCare is actually a good thing. Please continue.

Posted by: eman at August 12, 2012 10:15 AM (u3Rkr)

73 "Actually Obamacare gets *more* done with less money. "
I can't deny that it will do more, but that "more" is almost all bad. More bureaucracy, more big government, more cost, more shortages, more waste, more fraud, more duplication. Better health care? Lower costs? Not so much. But definitely more.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2012 10:16 AM (r4wIV)

74 that spending will be reduced by getting rid of fraud and ending overpayments to private insurance companies.Posted by: BigJesusBoy

Bwahahahahah! There's $500 billion in fraud and overpayment in the Medicare system already?  Gee, that is a good argument for more government-run health care.

On the other hand, the Dem's admitted to double counting the $500 billion.

"The actuary also previously confirmed that the Medicare reductions in Obamacare “cannot be simultaneously used to finance other federal outlays and to extend the [Medicare] trust fund” solvency date – rendering dubious any potential claims that Obamacare will extend MedicareÂ’s solvency.  As Speaker Pelosi admitted last year, Democrats “took a half a trillion dollars out of Medicare in [Obamacare], the health care bill” – and you canÂ’t improve MedicareÂ’s solvency by taking money out of the program."

Proggy, there's a reason why telling the truth is the best policy. You don't get caught up in successive lies.


Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 12, 2012 10:16 AM (Q/1Jp)

75 BCochran1981 -- I'm sorry but do you have expert accounting skills that both Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and Kaiser Family Foundation don't have. This is the problem with modern conservatism. The movement disregard experts, facts, etc., simply because they don't like what the facts are. "All climate scientists say global warming is real. So what? I disagree because I don't think that's right." -Typical Modern Conservative.

Posted by: BigJesusBoy at August 12, 2012 10:17 AM (X8xK3)

76 68 Ace,

I know but time is limited look how quick the bint tried to play games with reality.

I say hammer them and go for the throat.

You are saying things in the future that may or may not come to pass as government promises always do Mr/Mrs Donkey here is a FACT Barack Obama HAS TAKEN 700 BILLION DOLLARS OF FUNDED FUTURE CARE FOR SENIORS AND GIVEN IT TO OTHER VOTERS!


and watch their heads explode

You are a lawyer a passed fact almost always trumps future analysis from my readings of precedent.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 10:17 AM (LRFds)

77 Tommy V:
>> "Yeah, we cut $500 billion from Medicare, but we only cut those that money to providers! Recipients get the same amount!"

These are the same geniuses who want to raise taxes on medical equipment manufacturers... as part of their plan to curb rising health care costs.

It's hard to even know where to start with this kind of deep ignorance of basic economic matters.

Posted by: sandy burger at August 12, 2012 10:17 AM (NoEzL)

78 You don't get caught up in successive lies. Shut up! they explained.

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 10:18 AM (QupBk)

79 high speed rail will make money because people will magically just want to ride it.....

----

Just like they want to buy Chevy Volts.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 12, 2012 10:18 AM (04fgZ)

80 they already did. Ryan's plan doesn't touch benefits for those 55 or older. Posted by: ace at August 12, 2012 02:14 PM (fxHyG) ---------------------------------------------------- WHY DOES PAUL RYAN WANT TO KILL EVERYONE UNDER THE AGE OF 55?

Posted by: Wimmenz Studies Mager at August 12, 2012 10:18 AM (jucos)

81

 - As future seniors grow older

 

 you fucking retarded, bro? 

 

Posted by: garrett at August 12, 2012 10:19 AM (kkgf3)

82 "You're not understanding the argument."
I'm understanding exactly the point Lowry and Preibus and we are making. You did what you accuse the Republican Party of wanting to do.
Whether or not something else takes up the slack or things are handled better is irrelevant. The GOP plans always have a better way offered, but you on the left don't care, all you do is scream CUTS!!!! hoping that scares enough voters to help you win.
Sucks, don't it? Wallow in the mire you created.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2012 10:19 AM (r4wIV)

83 Here's BigJesusBoy's argument: Obama is cutting $500 billion (now $700 billion) but he has death panels and such -- okay, let's call it IMAC -- to force down prices so that the money being paid goes further, so it's not a cut. On the other hand, Ryan plans to use Medicaid money for vouchers for private insurance; people, now being confronted with what this stuff costs, will tend to argue over treatments and costs, thus driving prices down, so that what's being paid goes further, so it's not a cut. Then BigJesusBoy wants you to accept, for no reason: Obama's method of bending the cost curve down will do more with less but Ryan's method of bending the cost curve down will obviously kill people in the streets. In both cases mechanisms are being proposed to force some price-discipline and some price-based decisions on consumers. Obama's solution is, of course, a governmental panel of bureaucrats making cost-based decisions; Ryan's is private insurers and private insurEDs making cost-based decisions. For some reason we're supposed to accept that the former solution is Just Better because it involves bureaucrats, and because Obama Needs It To Be Better for the purposes of this argument.

Posted by: ace at August 12, 2012 10:19 AM (fxHyG)

84 Ryan's plan doesn't touch benefits for those 55 or older. Romney gives them the cancer touch. Actuarial problems solved.

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 10:19 AM (QupBk)

85 OMG. He's now defending AGW. Buahahahaha. Keep it up man. Your stand up is better than any comedy show. Come on, what else ya got?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 12, 2012 10:19 AM (GEICT)

86 >>>modify the rebuttal from "Romney is at the top of the ticket" to "neither man wants to see current recipients cut" and we have a winner....


they already did. Ryan's plan doesn't touch benefits for those 55 or older.

Posted by: ace at August 12, 2012 02:14 PM (fxHyG)


...and...the voucher system is optional. You could stay in the Medicare program should you choose...

.In other words...Ryan let's you keep your current doctor

Posted by: Albie Damned at August 12, 2012 10:20 AM (Yhu4q)

87

The voucher system he wants to turn medicare into reduces benefits for future seniors. As future seniors grow older, they will have to come out of pocket more and more to pay for their health benefits.

 

Sounds like a GREAT plan!  Becasue then the Feds will be taking less out of MY   POCKET to pay for those future benefits.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 12, 2012 10:20 AM (BAS5M)

88 also important: Obama may plan to bend the cost curve down but as of yet it's continued bending up just as sharply. To the extent that evidence matters to our self-styled Reality Based Community any longer.

Posted by: ace at August 12, 2012 10:20 AM (fxHyG)

89 "Don't make me get all 'Ross Perot' on your asses!  I will you know and I will make you cry like the groupies at a Beatles concert.  Worship the chart fu!"

Posted by: Professor Ryan at August 12, 2012 10:20 AM (YKUmW)

90 In both cases mechanisms are being proposed to force some price-discipline and some price-based decisions on consumers. Obama's solution is, of course, a governmental panel of bureaucrats making cost-based decisions; Ryan's is private insurers and private insurEDs making cost-based decisions. Yep. Tiny totalitarians the lot of them. When their plans colide with reality, they always end up with the same solution: the camps.

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 10:21 AM (QupBk)

91

" Benefits are actually increased."

What world are you liviing in? we will be 25 trillion in debt by 2016, these "benefits" only come throught 1) higher taxes 2)more debt  or 3)more money printing. Not one of them is good in a contracting economy. I own a business, I've seen first hand, revenues are down, people are scared stiff to hire, expand.

SS, and Medicare are now slowly in the red, benefits will start contracting, how do you think Medicare works? A senior has to call up docs, hospitals to see who will accept medicare, not every doctor does, with 700 billion in cuts to Medicare, less and less doctors, hospitals will be accpeting medicare, what happens then? Less choices, more wait time, essentailly rationing.

We don't live in a fairytale world where benefits are "free", there is no "free" thing, someone is paying for it, and with a debt reaching 25 trillion, those benefits are going to get slashed even more, doesn't matter what Barry and his liars spew out,  math still applies, the 2 sides of an equation have to add up, and when value of one side of the equation goes down, so does the value of the other side.

Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 12, 2012 10:21 AM (ACkhT)

92 uh, oh. The troll just whipped out his AGW action figures. Let's all take a step back and a deep breath. No need to go all badass.

Posted by: eman at August 12, 2012 10:21 AM (u3Rkr)

93 This is brilliant. And (X8xK3) [BTW, aren't you the designated weekend troll? You have that fast-posting fu that I associate with the weekend troll.] is proving it right.

It doesn't matter what blah-blah you utter about how Obamacare is all puppies and unicorns and how great it will be, just you wait and see!  Obama cut $700bln from Medicare.

That's it.  That's the truth. You see, when Republicans try to explain how they both aren't cutting Medicare fur current seniors and are trying to restructure it for the future, we get Mediscare from the Dems.

How do you like it?

Romney, though, is undertaking a stroke of genius here.  The Dems can only attack Ryan one way -- on budgets. Because that's all he is. And it forces the conversation back to the economy.  No more distractions with Paul Ryan in the race.

And they can't resist Mediscare.  It's their elephant gun.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 12, 2012 10:21 AM (xSegX)

94 weft cut-loop -- thanks for quoting an opinion piece by a right-winger. That's another problem with modern conservatism. They get all of their information from right wingers who are nothing more than mouthpieces for the rich who dupe lower-middle class, and middle-class white people into thinking that the reason why their income hasn't grown in the last 30 years is because of labor unions. You guys really are sad.

Posted by: BigJesusBoy at August 12, 2012 10:21 AM (X8xK3)

95 Romney gives them the cancer touch. Actuarial problems solved. He doesn't need to touch them. The magic underwear has decent range.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 12, 2012 10:22 AM (GEICT)

96 "Mitt is a new man on the stump"

I think part of it is that he's relieved the search is over and the news is out; they don't have to keep the secret anymore.

Also he rejoices in the addition of the Opus Dei Gay-People Killing Ray in addition to his Mormon Death Touch.

Posted by: Filly at August 12, 2012 10:22 AM (flZ3r)

97 Hey guys...maybe we should keep our arguments inside our little echo chamber here. They don't seem to fly anywhere else

Posted by: BeegHayzoosBoy at August 12, 2012 10:22 AM (Yhu4q)

98 I guess BJB has no problem either with an un-elected panel of 15 individuals who will make healthcare decisions under Obama's plan for Medicare.

And now I've got to find the remote, because Shark Mouth is on my tee vee.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 10:23 AM (UOM48)

99 Better watch it, BigJesusBoy, Romney will give you cancer.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 12, 2012 10:23 AM (04fgZ)

100 83 Ace,

Exactly remember back when they passed this mess some of us were saying YOU WON this to the trolls who were high fiving.

We have them cornered this race WILL determine who we are.  It may well be the beginning of the end of the $uper$tate as national daddy for everyone.

Baracks Obama HAS TAKEN 700 Billion FROM MEDICARE!

Say it loud and proud because it is the truth everybody.

Never let it go unrebutted when you overhear a greyhair trying to lobby another for a vote for O no matter where you hear it.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 10:23 AM (LRFds)

101 The troll just whipped out his AGW action figures. Al Gore, with kung-fu grip, IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: The 2nd Chakra at August 12, 2012 10:24 AM (QupBk)

102 We get our opinions only from partisan sources??? That's right folks, the irony, it burns .

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 12, 2012 10:24 AM (GEICT)

103

aww

 

instead of cuts, the CMS says they will be able to fund new benefits, including free preventive care and broader prescription coverage, including closing the “doughnut hole” affecting seniors

 

meda matters has that same comment , so it Must be True!

Posted by: willow at August 12, 2012 10:24 AM (TomZ9)

104 BJB sounds.....scared and desperate.  What's Soros paying for trolling now?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 10:25 AM (UOM48)

105 Obamacare was written by the private insurance companies. It diverts Medicaid and Medicare funds to their profits. It is socialized medicine, socialism for the private insurance companies

Posted by: Brotherhood of Sacked Hammers at August 12, 2012 10:25 AM (BAnPT)

106 OT, but I am torn between slack-jawed astonishment and vicious mockery.  Have the 'lympics on in the background and there is some kind of synchronized ball-tossing event going on.  This is a sport?  Srsly??? 

Posted by: Peaches at August 12, 2012 10:25 AM (kpCLl)

107 meda matters has that same comment You're shocked?

Posted by: CabaList at August 12, 2012 10:25 AM (QupBk)

108 The troll just whipped out his AGW action figures.

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Pray he doesn't go for his welfare recipient inaction figures.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 12, 2012 10:25 AM (04fgZ)

109 OMG!!!! Jane D'oh -- you really think there are death panels? LMAO. You guys are just pathetic. You will believe anything a right winger tells you. Get it through your head, there are no fucking death panels. You don't hate Obama; you hate some fictional character that you think Obama is. Just sad.

Posted by: BigJesusBoy at August 12, 2012 10:25 AM (X8xK3)

110 Al Gore, with kung-fu grip, IYKWIMAITYD.

Release the shakra!

Posted by: AmishDude at August 12, 2012 10:26 AM (xSegX)

111

Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, two men who will destroy our people...

-Russell Simmons

 

Don't worry.  I'm on it.

Posted by: Eric Holder - Lookin' Out For Our Peeps at August 12, 2012 10:26 AM (kkgf3)

112 Heh. Joe is reaching the the blindly pounding the keyboard portion of this afternoon's entertainment. Dance monkey, dance.

Posted by: CabaList at August 12, 2012 10:27 AM (QupBk)

113 dammit.

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 10:27 AM (QupBk)

114 weft cut-loop -- thanks for quoting an opinion piece by a right-winger. That's another problem with modern conservatism. They get all of their information from right wingers who are nothing more than mouthpieces for the rich who dupe lower-middle class, and middle-class white people into thinking that the reason why their income hasn't grown in the last 30 years is because of labor unions. You guys really are sad. Posted by: BigJesuBoy

I quoted your poster-girl Pelosi. She admitted to the cuts after claiming 'we have to pass it to find out what is in it.'

Oh, yeah. That's democracy in action. Or rather, the special brand of hypocrisy that proggies are famous for.

So, I completely understand why you guys are shitting bricks this weekend. Your Blue Model is about to take a header in November.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 12, 2012 10:27 AM (Q/1Jp)

115

Caba, not particularly, but it was posted without spelling errors so i figured it must have come  (pasty)from somewhere else.

 

Posted by: willow at August 12, 2012 10:28 AM (TomZ9)

116 Have the 'lympics on in the background and there is some kind of synchronized ball-tossing event going on. This is a sport? Srsly??? Posted by: Peaches at August 12, 2012 02:25 PM (kpCLl) ------------------------------------------------- HAHAHAHAHAHA. That is exactly what I am thinking. Throw the ball through a hoop or tackle the one that has the ball and I might be a bit more interested in what they are doing. They could also make it interesting by taking off their leotards.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 12, 2012 10:28 AM (jucos)

117 110 BJB,

You think we won't wind up using the NHS method of removing "cost".....

You run with your imaginarium numbers then.....

BARACK OBAMA STOLE 700 Billion from Medicare and promises your benefits will not go down and he'll just pay doctors less and not ration care....

then flash British headlines on their dehydration of seniors protocols....

hey guess what dumbass Mediscare worked because people ARE GREEDY but guess what we NEVER FUCKING STOLE 700 Billion backed only by HOPE

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 10:29 AM (LRFds)

118 I guess BJB didn't read the whole bill.

Posted by: eman at August 12, 2012 10:29 AM (u3Rkr)

119

BigJesusBoy,

so His book was untrue?

Posted by: willow at August 12, 2012 10:29 AM (TomZ9)

120 We should be preparing the battleground by reminding people of this fact again and again, so kudos.  The fact it was brought up regularly on the sunday shows, and that Romney brought it up in primary debates again and again, is encouraging.  We ought to bombard markets with ads on it too, and in those ads we should also emphasize the distinction that this was done to prop up a different, still-unpopular entitlement. 

Posted by: Dave S. at August 12, 2012 10:29 AM (UvR6d)

121

>>>The troll just whipped out his AGW action figures.

 

Oh, he's moved on to Whip-Its and  his E-Z Baked Dutch Oven -  

That's no echo chamber BJB, that's just the Nitrous kicking in.

Posted by: garrett at August 12, 2012 10:29 AM (kkgf3)

122 BCochran1981 -- you really are sad. I pity you. Step 1: Tell idiots that the mainstream media, and traditional sources are out to get you and lie to you. Step 2: Create a right wing media system controlled by rich people Step 3: Disseminate lies and propaganda that suits (our) rich people's economic interests. Step 4: Watch these idiots think that things like "death panels" actually exist.

Posted by: BigJesusBoy at August 12, 2012 10:29 AM (X8xK3)

123 107 OT, but I am torn between slack-jawed astonishment and vicious mockery. Have the 'lympics on in the background and there is some kind of synchronized ball-tossing event going on. This is a sport? Srsly??? I saw that. I flipped it on, said "WTF is this???" out loud, then noticed that Shark Week replays are on. Flip.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 12, 2012 10:29 AM (GEICT)

124 @113 - Thank Allah!  Finally the monkey's turn!

Posted by: Tired, Sore, Chicken at August 12, 2012 10:29 AM (YKUmW)

125

"thanks for quoting an opinion piece
by a right-winger."

Actually this morning the shrinking violet shy Stephanie Cutter openly said, yes, 700 billion is cut from Medicare. I guess Cutter is a "right winger".

Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 12, 2012 10:30 AM (ACkhT)

126 They could also make it interesting by taking off their leotards.

Far more interesting, you should really be on the next Olympic committee, Truck.  Plus, maybe find a way to incorporate pudding in to the situation.

Posted by: Peaches at August 12, 2012 10:30 AM (kpCLl)

127 115 WCL,

Nanzi Pelosi noted right winger....

Yeah moonbatz come on run your normal pile the shit high campaign....

You haave already show your wad on Romney being a super villain


Barack obama stole 700 billion from granny

FACT

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 10:30 AM (LRFds)

128

 OMG!!!!   BJB  -- you really think there   is AGW?   LMAO. You guys are just pathetic. You will believe anything a  left   winger tells you. Get it through your head, there  is   no fucking  AGW.   You don't hate Conservatives;  you hate some fictional character that you think Conservatives are.    Just sad.

 

FIFM

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 12, 2012 10:30 AM (BAS5M)

129 Lowry didn't make up the $700 billion figure, the CBO rescored it and reported the new number recently.  But give it time, it'll end up being more.  A lot more.  Always does.  And like ALL government programs, it'll cost a lot more for a lot less in quality and deliverables.  Always does.

Posted by: Khiri at August 12, 2012 10:30 AM (bnBly)

130 OMG!!!! Jane D'oh -- you really think there are death panels? LMAO. You guys are just pathetic. You will believe anything a right winger tells you. Get it through your head, there are no fucking death panels.

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Right.  Everybody will not only get all of the medical needs taken care of for free but we all be having free liposuction, beat enhancements, and nose jobs!  We'll be a beautiful society!  We'll just tax the rich more and more.  Well, not Soros or the Hollywood but the evil rich.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 12, 2012 10:31 AM (04fgZ)

131 willow, will you be a dear and double shot my "tea"?  Thanks.




Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at August 12, 2012 10:31 AM (Gk3SS)

132 This will be easy for Obama to spin. Observe: Obama: I cut $500B worth of waste and fraud from Medicare. Paul Ryan and the Republicans want slash $500B in benefits from Medicare. And the idiots will lap it up and applaud.

Posted by: soothie at August 12, 2012 10:31 AM (8sIym)

133 Hahaha. A right wing media system? Lmfao. Keep dancing monkey. Keep dancing.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 12, 2012 10:31 AM (GEICT)

134 @BJB- Isn't S.S. just like a voucher? I mean the gov't gives people a check and then they pay rent and buy groceries and whatnot. That seams to be working out pretty well.

(stole form someone in a different thread)

Posted by: Ball of Hate at August 12, 2012 10:31 AM (AREf/)

135 Here is a fact check on the existence of death panels: http://tinyurl.com/y94y8tu But I already know that none of you will pay it any attention to the article because you have already been trained to think that anything not from a conservative media outlet is a lie. How sad.

Posted by: BigJesusBoy at August 12, 2012 10:32 AM (X8xK3)

136 Create a right wing media system controlled by rich people What's wrong with rich people? They tend to be very competent. I like that.

Posted by: rfichoke at August 12, 2012 10:32 AM (Y1c/9)

137 14 I admire Rich's restraint in the face of such obstinate stupidity.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 01:58 PM (UOM4


Why yell at a rock?

Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at August 12, 2012 10:32 AM (6IReR)

138 you really are sad. I pity you. I love it. The standard troll grand finale usually includes the Declaration of Victory followed by the retreat to dKos, or the Blaming of the Jews. Either or.

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 10:32 AM (QupBk)

139 Posted by: BigJesusBoy at August 12, 2012 02:29 PM (X8xK3)

Does the light hurt your eyes when you are let out of the basement?

Posted by: Peaches at August 12, 2012 10:32 AM (kpCLl)

140 I think Axelrod does not have to pay this troll. I think it is a trust fund true believer.

Posted by: eman at August 12, 2012 10:32 AM (u3Rkr)

141 OMG!!!!! BJB, you're an uninformed tool of the left.

Now get your shine box and get back under the stairs.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 10:32 AM (UOM48)

142

ah hahaha, media wasn't shining 'halo's ' on Obama's head? 

 

right cause that's NORMAL for american media

'and i just want to help this guy' mathews.

 

rich guys?  o yeah Koch right? what about Soros?  no class warfare for a particular person?

how about 15 guys deciding your health results?

Posted by: willow at August 12, 2012 10:33 AM (TomZ9)

143 This will be easy for Obama to spin. Nope. This is the last thing the SCoaMF wants aired right now.

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 10:33 AM (QupBk)

144 Posted by: BigJesusBoy at August 12, 2012 02:32 PM (X8xK3)


Oh yeah, politifact. Yeah it isn't like they're bought and paid for by the asshole liberal left, right?

Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at August 12, 2012 10:33 AM (6IReR)

145 Far more interesting, you should really be on the next Olympic committee, Truck. Plus, maybe find a way to incorporate pudding in to the situation. Posted by: Peaches at August 12, 2012 02:30 PM (kpCLl) -------------------------------------------------------- The judges would be sitting in vats of pudding

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 12, 2012 10:33 AM (jucos)

146 "synchronized ball-tossing event"

It's rhythmic gymnastics and the lone American was let in by a "five continents" rule.  And she sucked.  And I was proud, actually, that we sucked at something so stupid.

Posted by: Filly at August 12, 2012 10:33 AM (flZ3r)

147 The jig, he he, is up. 

Ryan is smarter than these people and he and Mitt will eat their chilli.


Pudding and Popcorn!  

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at August 12, 2012 10:34 AM (3ZjAP)

148 You don't love Obama; you love some fictional character that Obama says he is. Just sad. FIFY We need a better class of trolls around here. This one is about 18 months behind...

Posted by: ChampionCapua at August 12, 2012 10:34 AM (KZi9D)

149 123 BJB:

Hey you guys taught us fuck the truth right?

Well guess what we are the good guys so we don't fuck the truth watch this:

1) barack Obama ran against gitmo....Gitmo remins

2) Barack Obama ran against predator strikes as nonjudicial murder well duh

3) Barack Obama ran on "ending these wars in 6-18 months" well hey numbnuts I am an Army spouse we are still dying in both and faster than ever in 'ghani because of your retarded ROE

Here is a fact inarguable I DO NOT HAVE TO LIE AT ALL

BARACK OBAMA STOLE 700 BILLION from the Medicare trust fund.....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 10:34 AM (LRFds)

150 For some reason we're supposed to accept that the former solution is Just Better because it involves bureaucrats, and because Obama Needs It To Be Better for the purposes of this argument.

All of #83 was a brilliant distillation, but let me focus on this.

This is what they actually believe.  They believe that bureaucrats, having no profit motive, are intrinsically better and will produce a fairer solution than the market.  In fact, they never see a market, they see a conspiracy.  Companies don't compete against each other to please their fellow man, they're all fatcats in suits who all hang around the table trying to figure out how to screw you.

We aren't talking about DMV-type bureaucrats, though -- and that's bad enough. We're talking about cronies, the kind we've come to expect from the Obama administration.  These are uber-bureaucrats, think Jamie Gorelick.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 12, 2012 10:34 AM (xSegX)

151

GE_ rich guy controlling you msnbc.?  that guy?" hey what about richie rich warner?

so only left media can have rich guy media?

Posted by: willow at August 12, 2012 10:34 AM (TomZ9)

152 (X8xK3) Charles, is that you?

Posted by: Calgore Squa-Tront at August 12, 2012 10:34 AM (c0brJ)

153 Step 1: ...  Step 4:

Posted by: BigJesusBoy at August 12, 2012 02:29 PM (X8xK3)

 

Once again proving that liberals have no clue how someone actually becomes wealthy.

Posted by: garrett at August 12, 2012 10:34 AM (kkgf3)

154 If enthusiasm is important, and it is, then R/R are kicking the bleep out of O and B. Haven't seen a line like today's since Michael Moore put his donut contract up for an open bid.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 12, 2012 10:34 AM (HethX)

155 So now the media had to go and scare up a "neighbor" of Paul Ryans to say while he thinks hes a nice guy he could never vote for him...I got a lot of neighbors in my middle class neighbor hood here in Commie Ca. who will never vote for Obama.. 

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at August 12, 2012 10:35 AM (W2Z3C)

156 Unclefacts, while you're here, would you mind summoning one of your meteors and aim it at Media Matters HQ?

Thnx!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 10:35 AM (UOM48)

157 The classic downward spiral of a troll as they get more and more nonsensical with every post.

Posted by: Tommy V at August 12, 2012 10:35 AM (iJ5jJ)

158

*sniff*   I smell libtard.

Posted by: USS Diversity at August 12, 2012 10:35 AM (2d71t)

159 Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 02:35 PM (UOM4


hey you, how are you and your boy doin?

Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at August 12, 2012 10:36 AM (6IReR)

160 Good luck guys. Keep believing that there are death panels. Go for it.

Posted by: BigJesusBoy at August 12, 2012 10:36 AM (X8xK3)

161 I'm effin Nostradamus, I am.

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 10:36 AM (QupBk)

162 Unclefacts, is there still an AoS Facebook page?

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 12, 2012 10:36 AM (HethX)

163 So, Step 1 isn't true?

Posted by: Fritz at August 12, 2012 10:36 AM (RuVpG)

164 The classic downward spiral of a troll as they get more and more nonsensical with every post.

Yes, he appears to have taken a time-out to squeegee the spittle off his screen.

Posted by: Peaches at August 12, 2012 10:36 AM (kpCLl)

165

goingbackto craigslist.

see if Koch is selling rich guy stuff.

Posted by: willow at August 12, 2012 10:37 AM (TomZ9)

166 161 Good luck guys. Keep believing that there are death panels. Go for it. Posted by: BigJesusBoy at August 12, 2012 02:36 PM (X8xK3) Thank you for trying to save us from our sad ideology. Now get your fuckin' shinebox. I want Mitt to see his reflection in them. Like mirrors!

Posted by: ChampionCapua at August 12, 2012 10:37 AM (KZi9D)

167 And like ALL government programs, it'll cost a lot more for a lot less in quality and deliverables. Always does.Posted by: Khiri

"In 1965, the House Ways and Means Committee estimated that the hospital insurance program of Medicare - the federal health care program for the elderly and disabled - would cost $9 billion by 1990. The actual cost that year was $67 billion."

Oddly enough the only part of Medicare to be at least temporarily under budget was Bush's part D.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 12, 2012 10:37 AM (Q/1Jp)

168 What's wrong with rich people? They tend to be very competent. I like that.

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No, no no!  It's the unemployed high school drop out welfare recipient drug addicts with a criminal records! They're the ones with the wisdom to run the country.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 12, 2012 10:37 AM (04fgZ)

169 hey you, how are you and your boy doin?



We're great.  The boy is packing to leave Shitcanistan as I type.  Thanks for asking.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 10:37 AM (UOM48)

170 Small Allah Boy..

YOUR GODDAMNED RIGHT I WANT TO BE "CONTROLLED" BY RICH PEOPLE!  They buy my products and services and I just luvs their little black hearts to death.  Those same EVIL RICH PEOPLE (evil retired executives of companies, ya know) start things like private schools and local banks and GASP! churches.. and generally make the world go round..

What do poor people do?...STARVE!

You think I want to be controlled by Poor People?  Do you?

Posted by: catman at August 12, 2012 10:38 AM (YKUmW)

171 You keep believing in The Lightbringer, Keynesian economics, AGW, improving quality by cutting pay, unicorn farts, electric cars, wind power, etc etc etc

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 12, 2012 10:38 AM (GEICT)

172 he's on his way home jane?

Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at August 12, 2012 10:38 AM (6IReR)

173 Jane, you heard from D'oh Boy last night?    prayers answered!!!

Posted by: Peaches at August 12, 2012 10:38 AM (kpCLl)

174 Apropos of nothing, I just finished watching The Hunger Games. Enjoyable. Sort of a cross between 1984 and The Running Man.

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 10:39 AM (QupBk)

175

well we like SOME rich guys .

ya know like Soros, ,  Kennedy's, Kerry's, Pelosi.. etc..

 

you know the Good rich guys.

Posted by: willow-channeling a putz. at August 12, 2012 10:39 AM (TomZ9)

176

Rich Lowry fucking curbstomped that Maddow dude.

 

"Defend it.  Defend it.  Defend it.  Can't defend it, can you?  Answer the question.  Defend it.  Defend it."

 

More of this.  You take those facts and make them eat it. 

 

modify the rebuttal from "Romney is at the top of the ticket" to "neither man wants to see current recipients cut" and we have a winner....

 

No.  Keep saying "Wrong.  Wrong.  Wrong.  Wrong."  Until she takes a fucking breath and then say "It doesn't cut ANY benefits for anyone currently on Medicare or that will BE on Medicare in the next ten years."

 

"Stop lying.  Stop Lying.  Rachel, stop lying.  Why do you lie so much.  You're lying.  You're lying.  You're lying."

 

I fucking LOVE election season.  Especially when you have some Republicans who aren't afraid to knee Maddow in his balls like they're stretching new carpet.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 12, 2012 10:39 AM (JDIKC)

177 OT - Hi everyone!

Feeling like a hungry human being now.  Still don't know exactly what was wrong.  Well besides being short on sleep over night.  Writing muse really kicked in and I put over 2,000 words to computer, 731 of them after I thought I should be in bed but my muse said 'write!'

Thanks for all the concern. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 12, 2012 10:39 AM (Pyl/0)

178 163 Unclefacts, is there still an AoS Facebook page?

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 12, 2012 02:36 PM (HethX)


yarly, and it has Ryan and baconz.


shoot me a message at unclefacts meteor-summoner

Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at August 12, 2012 10:40 AM (6IReR)

179

Now comes the ever popular step:  Declare victory and go home.  Then regale his fellow internet warriors with accounts of his derring do in smiting us with "facts" and "logic."

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 12, 2012 10:40 AM (BAS5M)

180 Yep.  Prayers answered.  Had to go on one last mission, now he's done.  He was chatting with husband on Facebook this morning, and said he can't wait to go out on the boat, drink a beer, and fish.

He'll be leaving that shit hole any day now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 10:40 AM (UOM48)

181 I got ya covered lincoln, must have missed you in the great leap forward.

Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at August 12, 2012 10:41 AM (6IReR)

182 anytime somebody has a nym like BigJesusBoy, you know what's coming. An atheist whiner with doublespeak. "Invest in" instead of spending. "withholding" instead of "Yeah, he fucking cut $700Mil"

Posted by: Frank G at August 12, 2012 10:41 AM (cJqu0)

183 Jane, that's lovely news!

Posted by: willow-channeling a putz. at August 12, 2012 10:41 AM (TomZ9)

184 Now comes the ever popular step: Declare victory and go home. Then regale his fellow internet warriors with accounts of his derring do in smiting us with "facts" and "logic."

Nope. This guy gets paid.  He has talking points.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 12, 2012 10:41 AM (xSegX)

185 well we like SOME rich guys .
ya know like Soros, , Kennedy's, Kerry's, Pelosi.. etc..

you know the Good rich guys.

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Yeah, the guys who conspire with Nazis, leave women to drown, betray their country, and talk to spirits.  That's what I'm talking about!

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 12, 2012 10:41 AM (04fgZ)

186 133 Soothie,

Counter Strike....

You were in control of the system for the last 50 years under govt ran healthcare programs and NOW want me to trust you will "do better"?

YOU STOLE 700 Billion from money seniors paid IN to Medicare with a PROMISE YOU WILL FIND HALF A BILLION IN FRAUD.

Make him own it he will explode.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 10:41 AM (LRFds)

187 I did a search through the entire bill and there was not one mention of "death panel". Not one! The whole thing was a lie! There was something about price controls, centralized treatment and rationing by bureaucratic commissions, I didn't quite understand that part, but at no point was there ever a mention of "death panel!" Total right wing BS!

Posted by: Tommy V at August 12, 2012 10:41 AM (iJ5jJ)

188 He'll be leaving that shit hole any day now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 02:40 PM (UOM4


HURRAY!

Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at August 12, 2012 10:42 AM (6IReR)

189 183 anytime somebody has a nym like BigJesusBoy, you know what's coming. An atheist whiner with doublespeak. "Invest in" instead of spending. "withholding" instead of "Yeah, he fucking cut $700Mil"



^^^this^^^

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 10:42 AM (UOM48)

190 In private insurance there is a contractual obligation to pay claims. In government insurance there is no contract, only a goal. The government will deny you a medical product or service on the grounds the cost will exceed the benefit. The cost to the hive and the benefit to the hive, that is. When you collectivize what should never be collectivized you get tyranny, without fail.

Posted by: eman at August 12, 2012 10:42 AM (u3Rkr)

191 knee Maddow in his balls like they're stretching new carpet.

Thank, you EoJ, for that colorful turn of phrase.  I will be using it. 

Posted by: no good deed at August 12, 2012 10:42 AM (mjR67)

192 BigJesusBoy, I kinduv agree with you about "death panels", in that it's an over-the-top description.  It reminds me of back when progressives used to oppose Gitmo, and they'd call it a "gulag".

The point is, there is a panel of fifteen bureaucrats, and they are making health decisions for people, which we think the government shouldn't be able to do.

You're just playing dumb if you hear us say "death panels" and think we're referring to something different.  Sure, we should put it differently.  But you know what we mean.

Posted by: sandy burger at August 12, 2012 10:42 AM (NoEzL)

193 137

http://bit.ly/LdnCwG

Ditto idiot.
130k euthanized in GB, but there's really no death panel. Why go through the trouble of forming a panel once the standards are set? That could actually mean somebody might get a "thumbs up", and that would be too expensive.

Don't get thirsty!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 12, 2012 10:42 AM (Qxdfp)

194 "These are the same geniuses who want to raise taxes on medical equipment manufacturers... as part of their plan to curb rising health care costs."
Exactly, this was never about reducing costs. No government health care program ever is, its just about increasing power for the government. It is about putting the system in the hands of elitist commissars who think they can run it all better.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2012 10:43 AM (r4wIV)

195 161 Posted by: BigJesusBoy at August 12, 2012 02:36 PM (X8xK3) The preference cascade has begun. Ain't it a bitch?

Posted by: Scobface at August 12, 2012 10:43 AM (IoNBC)

196 @177

Good to hear.  Did the guy steal all your shit, or just your CC's and phone?

ha ha

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at August 12, 2012 10:43 AM (3ZjAP)

197 181 Yep. Prayers answered. Had to go on one last mission, now he's done. He was chatting with husband on Facebook this morning, and said he can't wait to go out on the boat, drink a beer, and fish. He'll be leaving that shit hole any day now. Great news!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 12, 2012 10:43 AM (GEICT)

198 So while I took a long snooze the Democrats and their enabling subversives in the media reacted badly to the Ryan nomination on the talk shows?  Did anyone of them require admittance to the ER?  Sounds like Rachel had a meltdown.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 12, 2012 10:43 AM (Pyl/0)

199 And by the way, BJB, I never used the words "death panels."  You did.  So fuck off, grab your shinebox, and scoot.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 10:43 AM (UOM48)

200 Got it! Thanks Unclefacts. Yeah, I mentioned it this morning and then couldn't find a trace of it when someone asked.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 12, 2012 10:44 AM (HethX)

201 So happy for you, Jane . . . this has been such a tough deployment for you and soon it will be over and you will have him and all his smelly stuff back!!  Happy kittens and woo hoo!!!

Posted by: Peaches at August 12, 2012 10:44 AM (kpCLl)

202 We're making two different contradicting arguments. Argument #1: Obamacare increases govt spending by trillions of dollars! Argument #2: Obama is cutting $500B from Medicare! Do you see the problem here in our messaging? Remember, people are stupid and short on details.

Posted by: soothie at August 12, 2012 10:44 AM (+7i2c)

203 hey  you know , you might have to just take a pill instead of getting a pacemaker. 'obama'?

Posted by: willow-channeling a putz. at August 12, 2012 10:44 AM (TomZ9)

204 BigJesusBoy, I kinduv agree with you about "death panels", in that it's an over-the-top description.

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Efficiency extermination specialists sounds much better.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 12, 2012 10:44 AM (04fgZ)

205 didn't the FDA decide to not approve some cancer treatment because it was too expensive?
BJB is starting to remind me of Daveyboy, Don Surber's troll. When he starts to lose he reverts to name calling. Could be the same troll, but they all pretty much sound alike.

Posted by: mallfly at August 12, 2012 10:44 AM (bJm7W)

206 The point is, there is a panel of fifteen bureaucrats, and they are making health decisions for people, which we think the government shouldn't be able to do. And they answer to no one, not Congress, not even the Executive branch.

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 10:45 AM (QupBk)

207 OT - Hi everyone! Feeling like a hungry human being now. Still don't know exactly what was wrong. Well besides being short on sleep over night. Writing muse really kicked in and I put over 2,000 words to computer, 731 of them after I thought I should be in bed but my muse said 'write!' Thanks for all the concern. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 12, 2012 02:39 PM (Pyl/0) Nicely done!

Posted by: eman at August 12, 2012 10:45 AM (u3Rkr)

208 Nope. This guy gets paid. He has talking points. If that's true, it's a total waste of money. They're not going to make any converts here, of all places. If they wanted to have an impact, they would be engaging online forums for general interests among middle age and older people who tend not to be up on things.

Posted by: rfichoke at August 12, 2012 10:45 AM (Y1c/9)

209 Uh Billy-bob nothing missing around here.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 12, 2012 10:45 AM (Pyl/0)

210 Jane, don't confuse the troll...you might scare him off.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at August 12, 2012 10:45 AM (L7hol)

211 Big Jesus Boy I don't look at what you fuckers say I look at what you sons of bitches DO.....

flash commercial

"in 1967 Medicare was projected to cost 9 billion by 1990 in reality it was 67 billion"

Barack Obama stole 700 billion from Medicare, and Democrats Swear this time they have it under control.

YOU STILL LOSE OGABECARE that he stole it for is underwater

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 10:45 AM (LRFds)

212 "We don't live in a fairytale world where benefits are "free", there is no "free" thing, someone is paying for it, and with a debt reaching 25 trillion, those benefits are going to get slashed even more, doesn't matter what Barry and his liars spew out,math still applies, the 2 sides of an equation have to add up, and when value of one side of the equation goes down, so does the value of the other side."

Nice work, Ex-Dem.

And when Obama's operatives try to defend government cost-control measures, then:   Government Motors, Chrysler, Corzine, Solyndra-Green debacle.

Posted by: mrp at August 12, 2012 10:46 AM (HjPtV)

213 BigJesusBoy does something which progressives often do: he plays dumb as a form of sophistry.

Past examples are:
"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
"America has WMD, too."
They discard important information, say something glib about what remains, and put themselves on the back for their cleverness.

Now, he's pretending that "death panels" means some cartoon villain Tuskegee experiment scenario.

Posted by: sandy burger at August 12, 2012 10:46 AM (NoEzL)

214 He'll be leaving that shit hole any day now. Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 02:40 PM (UOM4 I'm happy for you, Jane D'oh.

Posted by: Scobface at August 12, 2012 10:46 AM (IoNBC)

215 Soothie, Those are not two different messages. He CUT Medicare to help PAY for Obamacare. No one is saying cuts on the whole are bad. The assertion is that saying the GOP wants to cut Medicare is ridiculous since it's already been cut by Obama to pay for something less than a majority wants. This is not too confusing for the general public.

Posted by: Tommy V at August 12, 2012 10:46 AM (iJ5jJ)

216 211 Jane, don't confuse the troll...you might scare him off.



Oops.  I hope I didn't scare him off.  They are fun to bat around.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 10:47 AM (UOM48)

217 Do you see the problem here in our messaging? Remember, people are stupid and short on details. It keeps the issue before the Seniors and churns an electorate that already hates the PPACA. Beat the drum.

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 10:47 AM (QupBk)

218 200 And by the way, BJB, I never used the words "death panels." You did. So fuck off, grab your shinebox, and scoot.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 02:43 PM (UOM4


I will then. Obamacare has deathpanels. Faceless bureaucrats who will look at your earnings worth to society, and when that balance sheet shows your ass is going to cost the system more than you'll put back into, your plug gets pulled.


Idiots like this sewer dwelling asshole liberal, can try and obfuscate the truth with bullshit, but it's already been well documented in the EU, and there isn't a fucknugget's worth of difference between what they're doing there and what's about to happen here.

Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at August 12, 2012 10:47 AM (6IReR)

219 130k euthanized in GB, but there's really no death panel. Why go through the trouble of forming a panel once the standards are set? That could actually mean somebody might get a "thumbs up", and that would be too expensive. Don't get thirsty! Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 12, 2012 02:42 PM (Qxdfp) ---------------------------------------------------- How is that the providers fault? If they don't ask for water it is NOT their fault. You reich wingers really make me sick

Posted by: FakeJesusGuy at August 12, 2012 10:47 AM (jucos)

220 In private insurance there is a contractual obligation to pay claims.

In government insurance there is no contract,


This is something that needs to be hammered home.  There is clear precedent that there is no guarantee of any payment of government benefits.  SS and Medicare could be completely eliminated tomorrow and there would be no right by anyone to sue to get "their" money back. 

There is no bank account for "Jane Q. Public's Social Security".  There is no lockbox in which the SS money that's taken out of my check is placed for my future use.  Ask the Delphi retirees exactly how much we should trust that the US government will keep promises. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at August 12, 2012 10:47 AM (Gk3SS)

221 203 Soothie,

no it does not because the simple answer is "they steal this money from Medicare a paid into system to fund Ogabecare which has all the stuff YOU LOVE about HMOs in an unaccountable panel."

They are cornered.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 10:48 AM (LRFds)

222 The DNC must be sending their Haavahd grads over here to troll. BJB...just because you can spell shouldn't make you believe that you're making any more sense defending the SCOAMT than the run-of-the-mill trolltards.

Posted by: Soona at August 12, 2012 10:48 AM (W8a2r)

223 "Good luck guys. Keep believing that there are death panels. "
The truly hilarious thing is that you probably think there isn't any rationing or anyone turned down for coverage in the Government Health Insurance Takeover Act.
I truly pity guys like this. They don't have a single cubic nanometer in their minds for listening or anything but the talking points they have backed up behind their teeth like a man who drank 18 beers and can't barf fast enough. They don't care what the topic is, who they're talking to, or what they say. They just have line after line of this crap to spew all over you and ignore everything yous ay except for how to segue to another talking point.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2012 10:48 AM (r4wIV)

224 Looks like Rich Lowry's balls dropped.  Seriously, good for him.  Make them choke on the hypocrisy.  We are absolutely not being hypocritical by pointing this stuff out. We can make the argument that at least we're trying to reform an unsustainable status quo.  That's no small distinction. 

Posted by: Dave S. at August 12, 2012 10:50 AM (UvR6d)

225 toby928:
>> And they answer to no one, not Congress, not even the Executive branch.

Excellent, Smithers.

Posted by: Big Pharma at August 12, 2012 10:50 AM (NoEzL)

226 Now they are spinning ribbons. Good god man this is unbearable. It would be a whole lot better sans clothes.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 12, 2012 10:50 AM (jucos)

227 Do you see the problem here in our messaging? Remember, people are stupid and short on details. Posted by: soothie at August 12, 2012 02:44 PM (+7i2c) Not quite. The Dems are trying to scare folks with threats that the Pubs will do things the Dems have actually already done. The Dems are trapped by their own actions. We are making them admit it, or at least revealing it is so.

Posted by: eman at August 12, 2012 10:51 AM (u3Rkr)

228 He CUT Medicare to help PAY for Obamacare. Obama robs Medicare to expand Medicaid. It's all about constituency. It's predictable that money would be root of the ObamaCare debacle. If you recall, the Democrats were sure that they were going to get a "Carbon Tax" that would have them swimming in our cash. When that crashed and burned, they just came up with gimmicks and ad hoc grabs to keep the extra cost of expanded Medicaid under a trillion dollars over 10 years, for politics.

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 10:51 AM (QupBk)

229 OMG, Truck, I thought you were shitting me, but you are not.  They seem like pretty cute girls, too, they should definitely be naked.

Posted by: Peaches at August 12, 2012 10:52 AM (kpCLl)

230 He CUT Medicare to help PAY for Obamacare.


How's that whole Robin Hood comparison workin out now SCOAMF?

Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at August 12, 2012 10:53 AM (6IReR)

231 Now they are spinning ribbons. Good god man this is unbearable. It would be a whole lot better sans clothes.


Are the announcers done talking about the amazing things they can do with balls?  Because that's always hilarious. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at August 12, 2012 10:54 AM (Gk3SS)

232 230 OMG, Truck, I thought you were shitting me, but you are not. They seem like pretty cute girls, too, they should definitely be naked. ^^^^this^^^^^^ I love the Ettes. Never fail to make me smile.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 12, 2012 10:54 AM (GEICT)

233 Everyone needs to look back to the Clinton era and this spilled over into the Bush administration.

The VA decided that they really were under no obligation to give veterans free medical care for their entire life.  Naturally the veterans sued, one of the Swiftboat guys lead the suit.  His name is George 'Bud' Day and he has this bauble called the Medal of Honor earned for trying to escape and when the North Vietnamese tortured him with such marvelous inventions as a rubber hose across the rear cheeks until that flesh looked like raw hamburger.

They showed in court copious amounts of literature documenting where the various military branches did promise veterans free medical care.  The government of course argued that 'no we never really promised that.'  The court system believed the government and ruled in their favor.

So remember what the Government promises to offer it can just as easily renege on.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 12, 2012 10:55 AM (Pyl/0)

234 it's the "Obama's taking money from Medicare to pay for Obamcare" part People believe Obamacare is the big umbrella that covers them from cradle to grave, superceding even Medicare.

Posted by: soothie at August 12, 2012 10:55 AM (HoIE+)

235 232 Now they are spinning ribbons. Good god man this is unbearable. It would be a whole lot better sans clothes. Are the announcers done talking about the amazing things they can do with balls? Because that's always hilarious. Hey now, good ball handling skills are important.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 12, 2012 10:55 AM (GEICT)

236 Looks like the troll has scurried back to his masters at Media Matters.  He's probably regaling his fellow tools about how he "schooled" us.

Is it wrong I wish we could round these idiots up after Romney wins the election and put them in camps?  Actual re-education camps to make up for the lousy government "education" they received.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 10:55 AM (UOM48)

237 balls . . .  is there anything a highly-trained team of hot little strumpets can't do with them?

Posted by: Peaches at August 12, 2012 10:56 AM (kpCLl)

238 And what about the constitutional overreach language in the ACM bill that binds future congresses on the matter of altering/elminating  ObamaCare?

What impact does the recent SCOTUS ruling on the ACM have with Medicare obligations by the States and the attendant costs?

Posted by: mrp at August 12, 2012 10:57 AM (HjPtV)

239 Peaches.....lol

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 12, 2012 10:57 AM (UOM48)

240 As someone in the sciences, I always get a kick out of idiots like little j penis quoting the majority or consensus. Science is not a democracy.

Posted by: Avi at August 12, 2012 10:57 AM (USiXi)

241 OMG, Truck, I thought you were shitting me, but you are not. They seem like pretty cute girls, too, they should definitely be naked. Posted by: Peaches at August 12, 2012 02:52 PM (kpCLl) ------------------------------------------------------- What does it say about me that I am actually sitting here watching it? I keep waiting for something good to come on, like womens greco roman wrestling.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 12, 2012 10:57 AM (jucos)

242 Is it wrong I wish we could round these idiots up after Romney wins the election and put them in camps? I favor shovel diplomacy but then, I'm fairly soulless.

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 10:57 AM (QupBk)

243 Jeez, look at him flail That Maddow guy, I mean Wait...what?

Posted by: Naked Movie Star at August 12, 2012 10:58 AM (g/qQQ)

244 People believe Obamacare is the big umbrella that covers them from cradle to grave, superceding even Medicare.

Doesn't matter. Seniors know Obamacare will suck. Some think they'll still keep getting Medicare (at current reimbursement levels).

Posted by: AmishDude at August 12, 2012 10:58 AM (xSegX)

245 I cannot work out how the same people who hate insurance companies want to compel you to buy their product, and the same people who think HMOs are evil (although they are the origin of this system) want to replace the present system with EVERYONE in HMOs.
That's how you can tell its all really about replacing everything with socialized medicine.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2012 10:58 AM (r4wIV)

246 Ok, actually switched over to the ribbon twirling. Nude would be a huge bonus. As would me being fairly stoned.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 12, 2012 10:58 AM (GEICT)

247 "Are the announcers done talking about the amazing things they can do with balls? Because that's always hilarious."

One of the Russian or Romanian chicks threw the ball in the air, threw herself on the floor, put her legs in the air and proceeded to bounce the ball off of her hoo-ha.

Seems like a pretty good skill to have.

Posted by: Filly at August 12, 2012 10:59 AM (flZ3r)

248 Well in this world there is one thing we can be certain of.  Harry Reid has no attraction to cute young ladies twirling ribbon streamers.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 12, 2012 10:59 AM (Pyl/0)

249 wow, you gave that more than just a casual glance, eh, Filly?  lmao

Posted by: Peaches at August 12, 2012 11:00 AM (kpCLl)

250 In private insurance there is a contractual obligation to pay claims.

In government insurance there is no contract, only a goal.

The government will deny you a medical product or service on the grounds the cost will exceed the benefit.

The cost to the hive and the benefit to the hive, that is.

When you collectivize what should never be collectivized you get tyranny, without fail.

Posted by: eman at August 12, 2012 02:42 PM (u3Rkr)

 

Can't be stressed enough.

Friend of mine works as a paramedic.  She recently got a new partner who had recently moved from California.  The new partner was jazzed because she was expecting a $1500 check from California for her tax returns. The state had issued her an IOU prior to her moving.  Being the cynic I am, I told her, "you just watch, Cali will come up with some BS about you owing back taxes and you'll get nothing."  "Oh no" she said disbeliving.  A month later she got notification from Cali that they had looked into her taxes and saw that she owed them back taxes to the tune of $1500. 

 

Posted by: Darth Randall at August 12, 2012 11:00 AM (mV8sg)

251 Rhythmic gymnastics are beautiful, in all but the ball segment. That part is lame, but the ribbons and especially the hoop, the stuff they can do with that hoop is just unreal. I cant see really how its a sport but it loos real perty.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2012 11:00 AM (r4wIV)

252 Forget about ball handling skills..... How are these little ladies when it comes to dribbling?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 12, 2012 11:00 AM (jucos)

253 well, I'm going on the assumption that people hear "Obama's increasing govt spending for health care" and translate that to "Obama's expanding and increasing benefits."

Posted by: soothie at August 12, 2012 11:01 AM (JSfNz)

254 Rachel secretly wants to be a Girl Scout den mother

Posted by: Adolph Schikelgruber at August 12, 2012 11:01 AM (lD8ju)

255 "wow, you gave that more than just a casual glance, eh, Filly?"

Like I said, it seems like a valuable skill.  Need to add it to the resume in this Obama economy.

Posted by: Filly at August 12, 2012 11:01 AM (flZ3r)

256 253 Forget about ball handling skills..... How are these little ladies when it comes to dribbling? Dribbling is a deduction.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 12, 2012 11:02 AM (GEICT)

257 " How are these little ladies when it comes to dribbling?"
strangely enough they do actually dribble the ball sometimes. It looks lame.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2012 11:02 AM (r4wIV)

258 plus there was AARP and Andy Griffith pretty much telling seniors just that

Posted by: soothie at August 12, 2012 11:03 AM (vuIm8)

259 Catch all of you later.  Time for food since it has been hours and hours since last meal.  Then get back to writing, I expect to get past 3,000 words today and scare my cabin mates over at Camp NaNoWriMo with such production.  Already know the next three scenes and got to get them wrote down before I forget.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 12, 2012 11:05 AM (Pyl/0)

260 The consensus is agin ye, sooth. This needs to be front-burnered for at least a month.

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 11:05 AM (QupBk)

261 So one of the requirements of O'Care is to see a primary. There are possible fines if you don't. If that primary says you take this pill, you take that pill or else.
You will have no more say in your care.
And that panel is to delegate "Appropriate Care"
If I had a Franklin for every instance where the administration and requirements and PENALTIES are "To be determined" I would have enough to by a new Les Paul.

Posted by: Beto at August 12, 2012 11:07 AM (BAnPT)

262 Great Obama's leading defendant is a ugly thick-necked bull dyke. That's a winner..

Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at August 12, 2012 11:07 AM (lD8ju)

263

"Argument #1: Obamacare increases govt spending by trillions of dollars!

Argument #2: Obama is cutting $500B from Medicare!

Do you see the problem here in our messaging?"

No. 700 Billion was cut from Medicare to pay for a new entitlement -- ObamaCare, which has unlimited funds (subsidizing everything and anything for people with no insurance), so yes, it increases govt spending by trillions.

Both arguments are 100% correct. You're cutting from one popular entitlement to massively expand a new unpopular entitlement.

Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at August 12, 2012 11:09 AM (ACkhT)

264 A month later she got notification from Cali that they had looked into her taxes and saw that she owed them back taxes to the tune of $1500. What did she say then?

Posted by: rfichoke at August 12, 2012 11:09 AM (Y1c/9)

265 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at August 12, 2012 11:10 AM (6o4Fb)

266 Yes, johnc, I was going to say that 500B<trillions. No contradiction at all.

And low-info voters are not so hung up on the math.  Or the logic.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 12, 2012 11:10 AM (xSegX)

267 Butch Maddow is really annoying.  "Wait a minute.  Wait a minute.  Wait a minute."  STFU, Butch.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit S.O.B. at August 12, 2012 11:12 AM (vt8fq)

268 # 131 Where do ah gits me some 'o them "beat enhancements"?

Posted by: Snoop Dogg at August 12, 2012 11:12 AM (g/qQQ)

269 262 Beto,

all true OCare is also unfair to soldiers and veterans....

Under the law all civillian insurance plans now have to carry the insureds' dependents until age 26 whether they are in school or at home or not, an exception in the law was made for one group.....

the military-Soldiers and retirees may only insure their children until age 21 unless they are already totally disabled.

Barack Obama stole 700 billion from medicare and his plan is a rewards based system that hurts soldiers.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 11:12 AM (LRFds)

270

yes you absolutely will get treatment if you are at least 1 years of age (before that you are just a potential wanted  human) and younger than 90 and working a Full time job.

you have one eyeball blown out along with your right foot, and at least three fingers of your right hand. good news is if you thirsty but we deem you offensive in some manner we will not rehydrate your internals on the off chance you might drown.

Posted by: willow at August 12, 2012 11:15 AM (TomZ9)

271 264 John ex-dem,

EXACTLY over at HotAir LibFreeOrDie was trying that doublethink,,,,

this is simple alinsky like Andre Breitbart used...

Democrats have ran for years treating Medicare and Soc Sec as trust funds, that I know the law says they are not is immaterial to making the donks own their narrative.

So it is not as Ogabe fan says moving your funds from savings to checking.....

it is moving YOUR FUNDS SENIORS from YOUR savings to Barack Ogabe's Checking......

he used YOUR wage withholdings to try to buy new voters....

BARACK OBAMA STOLE 700 BILLION FROM GRANNY!

WAR ON WIMMINZ

(since seniors trend female heavy)

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 11:15 AM (LRFds)

272

we will always hand you a pill, or at least a possibilty of a pill.

 

Yours sincerely , Your govt provider

Posted by: willow at August 12, 2012 11:17 AM (TomZ9)

273 You can't argue facts with the BigJesusBoy morons.

You have to twirl them into knots using their own world view. I can't quite manage with a straight face or anything like Ace/Iowahawk-like language. But:

"BigJesusBoy as a moniker? Really? We've been repeatedly taught by the allies of the Left that the proper response to the malicious usage of any of our prophet's names is honestly beyond hate speech and a reasonable rationalization of completely bestial behavior. So please assure me that your usage is because you actually -believe-, or accept the label of "hater" gracefully. We should probably make sure you're aware as part of full disclosure that IPs -are- tracked and the vast majority of people present here are armed. And a fair number are angry. Just so you know.

"Big" is also offensive. Since you're obviously unaware, I'll take this opportunity to tell you America has an obesity epidemic, and it happens to afflict the demographics most attached to the Democrats for some reason. So it's quite insensitive to continue propagating as positive any aspect of "big".

"Boy" is also unnecessarily offensive. Untrue sexist diminutives are forbidden. Duh.  Unless, of course, you -are- a boy, in which case you need to check out Harry Reid's Senate page program. He likes bent pages I hear.

Posted by: Al at August 12, 2012 11:18 AM (MzQOZ)

274 Hey! Its whats-her-name from Jeopardy!

Posted by: DM at August 12, 2012 11:24 AM (LaKlJ)

275 "All climate scientists say global warming is real. So what? I disagree because I don't think that's right." -Typical Modern Conservative. BJB, any "scientist" that makes their data as available as Obama his College records, or John Kerry his military records, MIGHT want to be skeptical of his claims. That's not a scientists, that's a journalist.

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at August 12, 2012 11:24 AM (rD4Vf)

276 plus there was AARP and Andy Griffith pretty much telling seniors just that
Posted by: soothie at August 12, 2012 03:03 PM (vuIm

I can assure you as a resident old tyme moron there are others like me who view this as bunch of bullshit. If were not feeding the squirrels or screaming at the pigeons at the park were looking over our bills very carefully.

Posted by: YIKES! at August 12, 2012 11:27 AM (Z3bkC)

277

A $10 million ad buy in Florida running Mediscare about Obamacare's $500 bn of cuts and the unavoidable rationing of care would win the staet.

Rather than be on the defensive, go on offense, he was the one that's gutting Medicare and going to be pushing Granny off the cliff.  This really isnt' hard.

Posted by: Ben at August 12, 2012 11:28 AM (P0VIS)

278 203 "Argument #1: Obamacare increases govt spending by trillions of dollars! Argument #2: Obama is cutting $500B from Medicare"

We do have a share of the electorate (some dumber Republicans and independents) crying out, "Get the government out of my Medicare!"

Plus, Medicare works - it's just going insolvent and needs to be fixed. Obamacare makes everything worse and costs more to boot.

Posted by: The Q at August 12, 2012 11:39 AM (B/yDO)

279 soothie:
>> Do you see the problem here in our messaging? Remember, people are stupid and short on details.

Yeah, I don't think the Republicans have come up with a good way of distilling this stuff into easy to digest soundbites.

Voters hear "you're cutting Medicare!" / "No, you're cutting Medicare!".  Politics as usual, who to believe?

It's annoying how stupid/lazy people are, but I think Team Romney needs to do a better job spoon-feeding some basic truths to low-information voters.

Posted by: sandy burger at August 12, 2012 11:47 AM (NoEzL)

280 Here's the real rub. The Drmocrats didn't actually cut $500 billion from Medicare ... They just promised to cut $500 billion as part of the CBO games to get ObamaCare under $1 trillion over 10 years to make it look "affordable."

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 12, 2012 11:47 AM (e8kgV)

281 "The Romney Hood Fairy Tale The false, invented analysis behind Obama's tax claims." http://tinyurl.com/9ltl9sk this is an excellent article, well worth your time.

Posted by: kevin durant fan at August 12, 2012 11:49 AM (oZfic)

282 I tried, I tried, I tried real hard and got really far, like more than half way, but then, no, stop, just stop. Take all that fog and smoke and go. Don't go, I will. Wasserman today too. I like to say her name Vasserman. Has no idea WHAT is going to hit. When she says her elderly constituency can now afford their medical care because of and only because the Dem's help, without it they perish, even her own constituency is waking up to the fact their own children and grandchildren are saddled with paying for all that and much much more. Why does your constituency hate their own grandchildren, Debbie? They don't of course.

Posted by: bour3 at August 12, 2012 11:51 AM (D1E3j)

283 280 Sandy,

Ryan will do that.  The inarguable fact is Ryan has a plan to accept the new reality that happened when Barack Obama stole 700 billion from Medicare.  He supports a gradual phaseout with no loss in benefit for anyone under 55,  Soetoro wants us all under the Cost Cutting Selection Panel

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 11:52 AM (LRFds)

284 281 IRB,

Make them admit that.....

If they spend time defending the notion that even gaming cuts is okay then at some point the public will lose trust in them.....

ie

they will be admitting that Ogabecare is based on lies....I am willing to believe that will not fly even with some of the bambicare backers.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 11:54 AM (LRFds)

285 all true OCare is also unfair to soldiers and veterans....

Under the law all civillian insurance plans now have to carry the insureds' dependents until age 26 whether they are in school or at home or not, an exception in the law was made for one group.....

the military-Soldiers and retirees may only insure their children until age 21 unless they are already totally disabled.

Barack Obama stole 700 billion from medicare and his plan is a rewards based system that hurts soldiers.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 03:12 PM (LRFds)



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I did NOT know this.  This is outrageous!  Who put this exclusion into this bill, and why?  What reason was given?

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 12, 2012 11:56 AM (P6QsQ)

286 286 Mama winger,

It is hard to figure out who put it in there and we are a captive audience so nobody even said "why"....

http://tinyurl.com/8z9s8fj

now "to be fair" we CAN pay a spare 2400 per child to get coverage

however

The Military Officers Association of America is reporting that Defense Department officials estimate the expansion will cost each member $2,400 per year to cover each child over age 21 (or 23). This is provision would be unique to TRICARE and would not be imposed on non-military parents using commercial health care insurance. DoD officials say they have to charge a separate premium because they canÂ’t spread the cost among other beneficiaries as civilian insurers do.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 12:14 PM (LRFds)

287 286 Mama Winger,

which means as always you know a politician is full of shit because their mouth is moving....

they are pretending that military medical coverage is somehow different than other insurances as a 'individual gift' but then fight tooth and nail using our collective withholdings pool to negotiate with medical facilities and such.....

Ogabecare has all sorts of little gems you will not hear about without looking.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 12:17 PM (LRFds)

288 Ogabecare has all sorts of little gems you will not hear about without looking. Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 04:17 PM (LRFds) Yes, and I tried, over and over, to point out many of the little gems and what did I get, I got labeled a troll and they tried to quash me at every turn. It was then that I realized how easy it is to pretend to be a conservative and really be a lib/dem trying to guide the conversation away from unpleasantries.

Posted by: kevin durant fan at August 12, 2012 12:25 PM (oZfic)

289

How perceptive are Maddow's viewers? I attended a politically themed Halloween party a couple years back dressed in a thrift store pantsuit, a microphone, a five o'clock shadow, and a nametag that read "Rachel Maddow." Nearly everyone busted out laughing on sight, that is, except libs. They thought I was an admirer.

Smart crowd.

Posted by: dorian taupe at August 12, 2012 12:28 PM (Oxu0R)

290 Posted by: curious at August 12, 2012 04:25 PM (oZfic) "They" were correct.

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 12:55 PM (QupBk)

291 291 Toby,

Really KDF is curious?

Sigh I was gone too long I guess this last break.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 12:56 PM (LRFds)

292 Again the pahetic little stalker has to distort reality as to why it has been labeled a troll.

Posted by: buzzion at August 12, 2012 12:59 PM (GULKT)

293 Except one problem - THIS IS A LIE.  Not one cent is being cut from medicare or anything else for that matter.  These are reductions in PROJECTED FUTURE INCREASES.  It means nothing.  Every year is a new budget.

Posted by: Andrew at August 12, 2012 01:50 PM (HS3dy)

294 294 Andrew,

Horseshit it is the truth dumbass....

either you are admitting Ogabecare's numbers are bullshit...


great piss people off even more

Medicare's are bullshit-awesome so I was almsot cost my medicare to help unpaid for medicaid

or

"let's go Weimar wheeeee"

Nice try at talking points but the reason why Madcow looked like she had a dick in her mouth for the first time was she knew she was cornered.

Have fun

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 02:02 PM (LRFds)

295 294 Andrew, oh and good luck with you telling people it is a lie....

we have tried to control things that way for about 25 years now and I don't recall you guys allowing "the cut in future growth is probably too optomistic" I recall commercials showing Granny dying and "YOU WANT FOLKS TO EAT DOGFOODZ!"

so enjoy the shit sandwich we learned it from you and tell your handler I said that.

You don't get to use that level of demonization to get power to do what we wanted to do to get shit passed and add cost when we are not allowed to use it to cut cost....

Your days of shitting yourselves to hurt the GOP and us not feeding it back to you are done.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 12, 2012 02:12 PM (LRFds)

296 Forget about the subtlety.

R-R must relentlessly repeat that Obama is destroying medicare and social security.

What is so hard to understand?

A.  By not addressing the fiscal non-sustainability of both programs, Obama is destroying them.

B.  This message means a lot to a lot of voters.

C.  The details will never get worked out during the campaign.

D.  The only relevant factor is the large truth, Obama's incompetence or inability or insouciance or cynical ignorance is a threat to both programs.

E.  R-R have a unique opportunity to bludgeon Obama with his own medicine, the difference being they will be speaking the (unsubtle, un-nuanced) truth.

F. Rinseandrepeat, the Republican Guy on tv today, asserted this exact message and was wonderful.    "Blood on his (Obama's) hands" is the precise way to say it.



Posted by: Tonawanda at August 12, 2012 03:38 PM (l62NP)

297 Obama stole 700 billion from medicare to fund his own vanity law, a law no one wanted and still do not want.

Please folks, this is a critical message.  If you cannot get on board with this, remember there is no place to move to after our amazing country is finally crushed.


Posted by: Tonawanda at August 12, 2012 03:44 PM (l62NP)

298 I can't believe I am going to say this but Rachel Maddow looks semi- kind of hot in a slutty kind of dyke way in that video.

Posted by: Pete_Bondurant at August 12, 2012 06:02 PM (zAjHO)

299

Is there still a AoS Facebook page?

Yeah but it's been taken over by a humorless coven of shrews.
So mind your step or be banned for refusing to emasculate yourself or any other male at their command.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at August 12, 2012 11:35 PM (af5xa)

300 Is there still a AoS Facebook page?

Yeah but it's been taken over by a humorless coven of shrews.
So mind your step or be banned for refusing to emasculate yourself or any other male at their command.


(Reposted after I scraped up some money to buy a couple spaces)

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at August 12, 2012 11:42 PM (af5xa)

301 Proposed new TV ad: Continuation of the guy pushing granny over the cliff. She goes over and they show the face of the man: OBAMA. Freeze on his face and add the spoken words "Under Obamacare, the President will cut $700 billion from Medicare, fundamentally changing healthcare as most seniors know it."

Posted by: Teleprompter at August 13, 2012 10:56 AM (NbmYl)

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