November 16, 2012
— Ace So you gets what you gets.
I have absolutely no sympathy. 18,500 people are losing their jobs and it's entirely their own fault. This is a bad economy to be jobless in. You'd think they might have heard.
But they didn't. And Richard Trumka wants you to know it's because of "Bain-like" policies. Such as owners wishing to make a profit on their companies, and not simply operate them as public charities for the benefit of the unions and the pension operations.
“What’s happening with Hostess Brands is a microcosm of what’s wrong with America, as Bain-style Wall Street vultures make themselves rich by making America poor,” Trumka said in a public statement. “Crony capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the ground, but its workers are paying the price.”Earlier Friday, Hostess Brands announced that it would be closing, which the company said was precipitated by a workers’ strike.
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“These workers, who consistently make great products Americans love and have offered multiple concessions, want their company to succeed,” Trumka said in the statement. “They have bravely taken a stand against the corporate race-to-the-bottom. And now they and their communities are suffering the tragedy of a needless layoff. This is wrong. It has to stop. It’s wrecking America.”
...In 2009, Hostess came out of bankruptcy thanks in part to private equity firm Ripplewood Holdings, which made a $130 million investment...
So the company was already in bankruptcy, and a Bain-like private equity firm brought it out of bankruptcy due to a $130 million investment, which the investors, get this, hoped to one day see a profit on.
The union workers disagreed, and told the investors that they should not only never expect a profit, but that they would continue escalating demands so that additional bankruptcies and additional bailouts of millions of dollars would follow.
So, the investors said: See ya. No use throwing good money after bad.
But remember, it's the people who spent $130 million to bring the company out of bankruptcy who are the villains here.
Unionism seems to be animated by the religious conviction that only the union laborer is deserving to make any money whatsoever for his exertions. Everyone else -- investors, owners, taxpayers -- exists solely to donate their money to the cause of union profit.
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Posted by: JollyRoger at November 16, 2012 11:59 AM (t06LC)
Posted by: LibTard at November 16, 2012 11:59 AM (F6KtL)
I had an interesting thought whilst driving home from work today. We've been tossing around ideas to force the MSM into submission. Here's where Let It Burn comes in: they're doing it to themselves, they just don't realize it yet. Case in point: how many ad dollars have they lost now that Twinkie the Kid is no longer dancing across my TV screen? As the economy goes further and further into the tank, less companies are going to have ad buy money. L.I.B.
Posted by: Country Singer (prepping for SMOD) at November 16, 2012 11:59 AM (meVGV)
Good thing Ace doesn't read his own blog.
Oh, and most of the employees weren't striking, it was just the bakers union.
Posted by: Timin203 at November 16, 2012 12:00 PM (5WxMt)
Posted by: M1911 at November 16, 2012 12:01 PM (j/KPN)
Posted by: Kramer at November 16, 2012 12:01 PM (kiwMG)
Posted by: ace at November 16, 2012 12:01 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: LibTard at November 16, 2012 12:01 PM (F6KtL)
Posted by: Witchfinder at November 16, 2012 12:01 PM (pLTLS)
Posted by: NotSoLoneWolfinNC at November 16, 2012 12:02 PM (LN5eJ)
I found this article to be informative, and despite throwing out the phrase "vulture funds" twice, rather balanced.
http://tinyurl.com/co9xv6r
Posted by: fluffy, now with less creme filling at November 16, 2012 12:02 PM (3SvjA)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 16, 2012 12:02 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 16, 2012 12:03 PM (iO3BG)
Posted by: Mr pink at November 16, 2012 12:03 PM (1PF/K)
Posted by: Where's My Ding Dong? at November 16, 2012 12:03 PM (m7EhJ)
Posted by: sTevo at November 16, 2012 12:03 PM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Sgt Hulka at November 16, 2012 12:03 PM (PQbKD)
Posted by: eureka! LIBer at November 16, 2012 12:03 PM (UL+ny)
Meanwhile, Tampax has reported record profits.
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 16, 2012 12:03 PM (4KOF2)
Posted by: teh Wind at November 16, 2012 12:03 PM (HBU8E)
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 16, 2012 12:03 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: Country Singer (prepping for SMOD) at November 16, 2012 12:03 PM (meVGV)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 16, 2012 12:04 PM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 16, 2012 12:04 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 16, 2012 12:04 PM (5Hk3U)
Posted by: Witchfinder at November 16, 2012 12:04 PM (pLTLS)
Posted by: Jordan at November 16, 2012 12:04 PM (jRfn3)
>> So it was just a mistake.
It actually is a recontextualization, with the Trumka comment on "Bain-like".
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 16, 2012 12:05 PM (WvXvd)
Posted by: MikeDemarest at November 16, 2012 12:05 PM (4FvdX)
Did I miss the memo?
Is Richard Trumka still dumber than a pound of semen?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 12:05 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: TD, taxpayer at November 16, 2012 12:06 PM (DQMcq)
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 16, 2012 12:06 PM (1+CnU)
How Hostess Failed: Hedge Funds vs Unions CNBC - 4 hours ago
Gee, how did Trumpka and CNBC come to the same conclusion?
HMMMMM?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 16, 2012 12:06 PM (4h0z0)
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Posted by: Memebot at November 16, 2012 12:06 PM (ggRof)
It would, at this point, actually be fun to pick a company that has the most scurrilous union representation, and have a movement for stock holders of modest means, those who own mutual funds, divest themselves of any mutual fund with that company in its porfolio.
It's amazing just how Trumka looks like the pig he is.
Posted by: gm at November 16, 2012 12:06 PM (wgmUB)
Posted by: Where's My Ding Dong? at November 16, 2012 04:03 PM (m7EhJ)
Solidarity, Comrade, Solidarity!
Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 16, 2012 12:06 PM (Cnqmv)
Government worker pension funds are invested in Bain to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars. Maybe that's why Corey Booker initially was not so hard on Bain.
Posted by: kallisto at November 16, 2012 12:07 PM (jm/9g)
Posted by: buzz at November 16, 2012 12:08 PM (i27M5)
Posted by: boniface ballers at November 16, 2012 12:08 PM (l3RZ9)
Preferably a union-labor constructed bridge so I can laugh when it falls on them.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 12:08 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:05 PM (sbV1u)
Watch it there fella, at least a pound of semen has some potential to create brain cells!
Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 16, 2012 12:08 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 12:09 PM (QupBk)
New businesses!
Hahahahaha! You didn't build that!
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 12:09 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: Reggie 'Finger Lickin' Good' Love at November 16, 2012 12:09 PM (F6KtL)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 16, 2012 12:09 PM (NzBQO)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 12:09 PM (X3lox)
A mulch-billionaire democrat donor shuts down and destroys a 143 year old media company to make a profit/cut losses - good
http://tinyurl.com/blwrdhk
Posted by: runner at November 16, 2012 12:10 PM (WR5xI)
Notice how investment bankers are continiously bailing out union companies?
Its because they see a profitable asset so long as they can remove/renegotiate union contracts. Sometimes they can, sometimes they get twinkied.
Posted by: JollyRoger at November 16, 2012 12:10 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Cricket at November 16, 2012 12:11 PM (DrC22)
Posted by: Fritz at November 16, 2012 12:11 PM (/ZZCn)
Posted by: The Q at November 16, 2012 12:12 PM (w4fEE)
We are sorry to announce that Hostess Brands, Inc. has been forced by a Bakers Union strike to shut down all operations and sell all company assets. For more information, go to hostessbrands.info. Thank you for all of your loyalty and support over the years.
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 16, 2012 12:12 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 12:12 PM (X3lox)
All unions are somehow bad out of this, right? That's like saying all investment banks are bad because of Lehman and Merrill. Stupid generalization, particularly in light of the fact that the Teamsters went to the bakers union and advised them to let go of their demands and the strike.
Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 12:12 PM (XC3Mz)
Posted by: km at November 16, 2012 12:13 PM (iFQkz)
Hey, Ace.. on that cultural vs political thing.. I think you and Rush are on to something.. and popular culture (which is everything today) has a lot to do with that. Think of the character Alex P. Keaton from the 80's TV show.. the conservative kid with the hippy parents. Likable conservatives have vanished from pop culture. think about it...
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 16, 2012 12:13 PM (f9c2L)
Posted by: The Political Hat at November 16, 2012 12:13 PM (XvHmy)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 12:13 PM (8y9MW)
So what will Barky do to try to stop the layoffs that will be happening now?
Not just at Hostess, but all across the country.
A Federal Fine for laying people off?
That won't work...companies will just pay the fine, and keep firing people.
I'm just wondering what is going through the minds of these tyrants.
We know they only think in terms of 'punish your enemies'...
What will they come up with, to try to stop the waves of layoffs?
Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 12:13 PM (ICEh3)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 12:14 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Melodicmetal at November 16, 2012 12:14 PM (QY9FJ)
Posted by: Old-Timer at November 16, 2012 12:14 PM (F6KtL)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 16, 2012 12:14 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: heh at November 16, 2012 12:14 PM (bKX6s)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 16, 2012 12:14 PM (jUytm)
Posted by: YaHump at November 16, 2012 12:14 PM (XMCQO)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 12:14 PM (X3lox)
The one question that union bosses always refuse to answer is "what do you spend our union dues on"
Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 12:15 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 12:15 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Shep Smith at November 16, 2012 12:15 PM (DrC22)
Posted by: Golan Globus at November 16, 2012 12:15 PM (7vSU0)
Make your own. It is not rocket science, and they will taste better.
For the next two years, there will be lots of this sort of thing happening, and the two questions you have to ask yourself every time:
1) How do I protect me and mine from the negative consequences of this?
2) How do I adapt my way of thnking to make a profit from this?
I am buying twinkie-shaped pans and using a recipe on the Web to make my own twinkies.
Posted by: Sweet Lou at November 16, 2012 12:15 PM (gsPPG)
I heard a Twinkie employee call in this morning to radio station KSFO (San Francisco.) He was angry that the two morning hosts had, in his estimation, been blaming the collapse of the company on the union. ( I don't know that they did this as I turned on the car radio just as they welcomed their caller.)
He claimed that the investment company that bought Hostess approx 10 years ago never had any plans to make it thrive as a food company (evidently the company has has a few owners over the decades), that all it did was see that the company had what would be valuable real estate property and that little by little they shut down the plants and only want the real estate.
One of the radio hostesses said, "If that's true, that's the way capitalism works. If that's true, they kept you on with a job and a steady paycheck for at least 10 years, and if you feared the food company would eventually close, you had plenty of time to find a new, more stable job and/or career.
He didn't like her response. He pointed out that the bakery division had low profit margins and had to deal in volume to make up for that and she responded with, "Yeah, and that's how capitalism works. Hostess evidently found itself in a changing market with competitors it once didn't have, with new attitudes toward their bakery products and nutrition, and even as they faced those problems, your union grew more demanding. What makes you think that at some point a company that bought it wouldn't find that it no longer offered investors the return on their money they risked"?
He didn't get it--acted as if the company (he never seems to see the "company" as full of people who risk money) owed him a job....you know, just to be nice or something.
Welcome to Obamaworld, mister.
Posted by: gm at November 16, 2012 12:16 PM (wgmUB)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 12:16 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Mr Tea at November 16, 2012 12:16 PM (kOcWf)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 16, 2012 12:16 PM (jUytm)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 04:12 PM (X3lox)"
AceofSpades HQ auto-correct always knows best
Posted by: runner at November 16, 2012 12:16 PM (WR5xI)
77 Unions are stuttering clusterf*cks of economic terrorism.
They really are, AllenG.
It's economic extortion...and yeah, terrorism.
Which is why there should be no Govt Unions, at all.
Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 12:16 PM (ICEh3)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 12:17 PM (QupBk)
Ummmm, yes actually.
Because this isn't 1890 and we're not worried about fires at the Triangle Shirtwaist Company any more. Nor are we worried about 8 year-old working as "greasers" in coal mines.
The purpose of a union in modern America is to (a) subsidize the lazy (b) protect the incompetent and (c) get as much money as possible for as little work as possible regardless of the economics involved in remaining in business.
Go ahead, show me one example otherwise.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 12:17 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Reggie at November 16, 2012 12:17 PM (DrC22)
Here ya go Rich, just buy the company, re-start it then hire back your employees and run it.
You do not need to make a profit after all so all your employees can make even more money.....
See all fixed.... Right?
Posted by: MarkC at November 16, 2012 12:17 PM (Kf68R)
I'm glad I'm clear on that now.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 12:18 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: cool cal at November 16, 2012 12:18 PM (VDovR)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 16, 2012 12:18 PM (hNXHo)
Posted by: Cato at November 16, 2012 12:18 PM (q89J2)
Breaking the law is the only manner in which collectivism can operate.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 16, 2012 12:18 PM (4h0z0)
Posted by: The U.S. Secret Service at November 16, 2012 12:18 PM (QKKT0)
Yep, marxism always like the Labor component as an input, never seem to get around to appreciating the Capital component.
Oh well, no capital, no labor - as sung to "no women, no cry". Wait, is Susan Rice or Barney Frank around?, don't want to be sexist.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 16, 2012 12:18 PM (3BbLJ)
but Solyndra was okay, I guess
Posted by: mallfly at November 16, 2012 12:18 PM (bJm7W)
All unions are somehow bad out of this, right? That's like saying allinvestment
Other than you, who actually said that, fuck nuts?
Posted by: fluffy at November 16, 2012 12:19 PM (3SvjA)
But it's worse than that.
The people on pensions and retiree medical plans? Yeah, that stuff is gone, they're just screwed.
Unemployment does not apply to a) strikers or b) people who lost their jobs due to liquidation (at least, not in Texas, and Hostess is based in Irving).
COBRA benefits do not exist when the Plan on which they were based no longer exists- for example, in the case of bankruptcy liquidation.
And that's just the screw-job for Hostess employees. How many tons of flour, sugar, butter, eggs, and so forth do you think Hostess used to use in a day? How many gallons of "partially hydrogenated soy-bean oil" and gasoline?
How frequently do you think their thousands of Teamster employees stopped to get a drink and a snack from the stores to which they were making deliveries that aren't coming any more?
I'm not sure we'll even be able to trace all the ripple effects, but they'll be there.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 12:19 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: MFM at November 16, 2012 12:19 PM (7vSU0)
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 12:19 PM (WrIV3)
Wow, so now all you have to do is run for President to get Oblame-a to pin it on you.
Old and Busted = It's Bush's Fault™
New Hotness = It's Romney's Fault (Patent Pending)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 16, 2012 12:19 PM (uD2fR)
Posted by: Truman North, last of the famous international playboys at November 16, 2012 12:19 PM (I2LwF)
Let's see, I can invest my capitol in a business venture but be completely beholden to union goons and effectively be raided by a government takeover/bail-out. Sure sounds like a plan to me!
Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 16, 2012 12:19 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Jimmy at November 16, 2012 12:20 PM (Kw5Iv)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 16, 2012 12:20 PM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Beagle at November 16, 2012 12:20 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 16, 2012 12:20 PM (3BbLJ)
Enjoy your class warfare while we dine on your ashes, dipshits
Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 12:20 PM (wwsoB)
so Trumka and All the other Union Heads made others Poor While making themselves rich , while never giving them an JOB,
just taking a cut of the workers pychecks that ACUTALLY WORKED at ther jobs.
The Corportions actually Gave people jobs which they got a paycheck for their effors to pay for homes food, cars.
Trumka srsly, whee are the Jobs and Paychecks , You still have money where are the Jobs you Create , Where is MY paycheck fat rich oinker??
Posted by: willow at November 16, 2012 12:21 PM (hX8cq)
Posted by: The Political Hat at November 16, 2012 12:21 PM (XvHmy)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 16, 2012 12:21 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Says, LET IT BURN at November 16, 2012 12:21 PM (ZHqer)
Not to worry union folks.
The White House is petitioning the White House to nationalize the Twinkie industry.
http://tinyurl.com/d9kttbu
Posted by: YIKES! at November 16, 2012 12:21 PM (1PE/J)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 16, 2012 12:21 PM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 16, 2012 12:21 PM (QKKT0)
Mentioned earlier, the brands themselves will get purchased by other food companies, happens all the time in the food industry.
So they drove Hostess into the ground, and the investors who tried to turn it around lose dollars for pennies. But there will be more Twinkies.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 16, 2012 12:21 PM (WvXvd)
Posted by: blindside at November 16, 2012 12:21 PM (x7g7t)
Try working in the Federal government.
That seems to be a requirement to be hired.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 12:22 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:12 PM (XC3Mz)
The Teamsters contract on how and what they could deliver hurt Hostess also buy being inefficient.
Posted by: polynikes at November 16, 2012 12:22 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: hunterwingplover at November 16, 2012 12:22 PM (EZl54)
He was angry that the two morning hosts had, in his estimation, been blaming the collapse of the company on the union
The Twinkie defense
Posted by: kj at November 16, 2012 12:22 PM (AW9md)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 16, 2012 12:22 PM (jUytm)
Let's not kid ourselves here - so long as the bakers were striking, the others were not striking but "respecting the strike" by not going into work. If they had said FU to the bakers and gone into work, they wouldn't have shut the plant down. Let's not feel sorry for these people that buried themselves. Posted by: Golan Globus at November 16, 2012 04:15 PM
I think it's also safe to assume that the vast majority of those who are now funemployed voted to continue King Barry's reign of error last week
Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 12:22 PM (wwsoB)
My Father and three uncles are all retired UAW workers, and THIS is their motto. They want everyone to unionize. If you're not in a union, you have no right to complain about your pay or job in general. Unionize; that'll fix everything!
Republicans will always be pure evil to these people, because they built China by sending union jobs there.
Posted by: Pyrocles at November 16, 2012 12:22 PM (cv5Iw)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 16, 2012 12:22 PM (hNXHo)
If you read interviews of folks on that show, you'll see that Alex was supposed to be the recurring villain. The problem was, of course, that Michael J. Fox had more charisma than anyone else on the show and ended up being the main character.
Good TV types that they were, they ran with that, as it wasn't like this kind of thing hadn't happened before. (Fonzie wasn't supposed to be at the center of Happy Days, and Barney Fife wasn't supposed to be as big a deal as he was.)
The problem is that if Alex happened today, he'd meet with some sort of tragic accident, and the show would continue on with a new actor/villain.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 16, 2012 12:22 PM (4+LTj)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 12:23 PM (X3lox)
May they move all operations to a Right-to-Work state and remain profitable for evermore.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 12:23 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at November 16, 2012 12:23 PM (J6kXj)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 16, 2012 12:23 PM (jUytm)
>> Guess who wasn't willing to compromise? The union leaders/reps
There are numerous accounts of votes by the membership of the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers Union. The union so far has refuse comment on whether those were secret ballot or voice votes, but there were votes.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 16, 2012 12:24 PM (WvXvd)
Posted by: Truman North, last of the famous international playboys at November 16, 2012 12:24 PM (I2LwF)
I don't know about changing culture but you saw it in the 80s when we went from hippies to disco to Reagan, the culture was harsher back then, no allies at all but we did it.
And I think people are sick of everything being so PC right now, everything's so polished. The only non-pc outlets are tarantino movies, torture pr0n, and Tosh.
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 12:24 PM (WrIV3)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 16, 2012 12:25 PM (3Y7RV)
Canseku wept.
Posted by: eleven at November 16, 2012 12:25 PM (KXm42)
Grupo Bimbo always wins. Just ask David Petraeus and Tony Weiner.
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 16, 2012 12:25 PM (yKUrR)
All unions are somehow bad out of this, right? That's like saying allinvestment banksare bad because of Lehman and Merrill. Stupid generalization, particularly in light of the fact that the Teamsters went to the bakers union and advised them to let go of their demands and the strike.
Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:12 PM (XC3Mz)
Yeah, I don't mind generalizing the unions. Libs and Progressives do it all the time. So, from now, on: Unions = No jobs for the poor! Why do Unions hate poor people???!!
Posted by: Zac at November 16, 2012 12:25 PM (F6KtL)
Unemployment does not apply to a) strikers or b) people who lost their jobs due to liquidation (at least, not in Texas, and Hostess is based in Irving).
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I'm sure Dear Leader already has an EO in front of him to take care of that.
Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 12:25 PM (Mb6YF)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 16, 2012 12:25 PM (hNXHo)
Teamsters successfully sued to prevent Hostess from setting aside collective bargaining. It wasn't an illegal strike- just an incredibly stupid one.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 16, 2012 12:26 PM (SY2Kh)
@ 130
Big Gov't goes hand in hand with Big Biz (CEO's) and Big Labor (bosses).
They are all three corrupt. See Obama-Jeff Immelt-Richard 'Benedict Arnold" Trumka
Posted by: cool cal at November 16, 2012 12:26 PM (VDovR)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 16, 2012 12:26 PM (jUytm)
Does he think his sweaty bellowing will make it appear?
What keeps him up at night is if his rank and file find out that the fat fuck stole their pension money.
BTW, those pensions don't sit in an interest bearing escrow account, it gets invested into the stock market
Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 12:26 PM (wwsoB)
In 2007 it warded off a $580 million bid from its biggest competitor, Bimbo Bakeries USA
Bimbo: Always Sweet 'n' Sticky!
Posted by: fluffy draper at November 16, 2012 12:26 PM (3SvjA)
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 12:26 PM (WrIV3)
Posted by: Anthony Weiner at November 16, 2012 12:27 PM (B/VB5)
******
Romney came way too close last time and they are going to take him out early this time.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 12:27 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 16, 2012 12:27 PM (3Y7RV)
The unions have only themselves to blame. They forced their way into the workplace, extorting dues and using the money for political contributions. Moreover, theyÂ’ve jacked up the wages of workers to outrageous levels, thus pricing many of them out of jobs and companies out of business.
Hostess was already in bankruptcy, and it was trying to negotiate a way to stay in business. Well, unions being the scumbags they are, said “no”. Now, you’ve got nothing. No wages. No job. Nothing.Congratulations to the newly unemployed. You got what you voted for. You’re now part of the Obama Food Stamp Nation.
Posted by: SFC MAC at November 16, 2012 12:27 PM (TLbgU)
True.
Looks like Texans, Louisianans and South Carolinians will soon be awash in Twinkies.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 12:27 PM (sbV1u)
If enough of the workers said, "F You, I want my paycheck" and crossed the picket line, what could the union leaders/reps do?
I'm sorry, but it is the workers' (collective) fault. Any worker who did not cross the picket line contributed to the problem.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 12:27 PM (8y9MW)
Notice how premier American brands are being bought by foreign ops? That's because they have more favorable business climates, something I think Paul Ryan mentioned but never made into forefront of campaign.
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 12:28 PM (WrIV3)
Posted by: Justamom at November 16, 2012 12:28 PM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Truman North, last of the famous international playboys at November 16, 2012 12:28 PM (I2LwF)
And I think people are sick of everything being so PC right now, everything's so polished. The only non-pc outlets are tarantino movies, torture pr0n, and Tosh.
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 04:24 PM (WrIV3)
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Please don't be wagering any money on this statement.
Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 12:28 PM (Mb6YF)
Trumka also knows that the Free Shit Army, the Occupoopers, and the Obamaphone crowd will swallow that bullshit whole
Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 12:28 PM (wwsoB)
****
Maybe.
Little Debbie already has tastier versions of all their items.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 12:28 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Chris M at November 16, 2012 12:28 PM (4lyMJ)
If the mainstream GOP can't mock that then we're lost.
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 12:28 PM (WrIV3)
You know what I call that?
AWESOME.
Ball dipping awesome as a matter of fact.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 12:29 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 16, 2012 12:29 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: trump at November 16, 2012 12:29 PM (M7Awp)
Posted by: cajun carrot at November 16, 2012 12:29 PM (UZQM8)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 12:29 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: MFM at November 16, 2012 12:29 PM (7vSU0)
Posted by: forest at November 16, 2012 12:30 PM (7RBBe)
Posted by: EC at November 16, 2012 12:30 PM (doBIb)
****
No.
It would not.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 12:30 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 12:30 PM (WrIV3)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 16, 2012 12:30 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at November 16, 2012 12:30 PM (J6kXj)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 16, 2012 12:30 PM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: MFM at November 16, 2012 12:30 PM (7vSU0)
Hang in there BlackOrchid, almost all conservatives feel they are under attack too, usually from liberals, so defense mechanisms and all that. Just talk to them, you'll discover they probably think you are on the other side.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 16, 2012 12:31 PM (3BbLJ)
Posted by: gp at November 16, 2012 12:31 PM (mk9aG)
Well, since all unions are Economic Terrorist Organizations: being a member of a union didn't help.
(Only partially kidding)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 12:31 PM (8y9MW)
Yes.
They refused to cross the picket line.
Thereby also being complicit in the demise of the Twinkie.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 12:31 PM (sbV1u)
America is now a hostile business climate so...no more business.
And the GOP...dun dun dun...needed to capitalize on that.
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 12:31 PM (WrIV3)
Posted by: Elizabeth Barrett Browning's husband at November 16, 2012 12:31 PM (DrC22)
From Ace's quoted text:
" Trumka said in a public statement. “Crony capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the ground, but its workers are paying the price.”"
I hate that phrase...'crony capitalism'.
It was created by the leftist progs, to demonize capitalism.
It hurts my ears when I hear conservatives like Palin and Malkin use this phrase.
It's not the fault of Capitalism, when cronyism occurs.
Cronyism is the opposite of 'survival of the fittest' free market principles.
Cronyism is favoritism...sort of like affirmative action.
Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 12:31 PM (ICEh3)
The only part that bothers me about the Hostess liquidization is Little Debbie.
Remember when Michael Moore claimed the Right Wing was trying to kill him? One blog commenter, maybe on this board, admitted that the Right wing had a hit person that had been trying for years to do Michael Moore in. Her name was Little Debbie.
Funniest shit ever!
Posted by: cool cal at November 16, 2012 12:31 PM (VDovR)
The last run-in we had with Richard Trumpka is when he kept saying "I want you inside ma belly!"
We thought he was kidding.
Five of us went missing that day.
Posted by: Keebler Elves at November 16, 2012 12:32 PM (1PE/J)
****
What does Little Debbie have to do with it?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 12:32 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 12:32 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Justamom at November 16, 2012 12:33 PM (Sptt8)
Posted by: AmishDude at November 16, 2012 12:33 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 16, 2012 12:33 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 12:33 PM (X3lox)
I'd believe that if it were Trumpka and his teamsters. Somehow I don't see it from the Bakers, Confectioners, Tobacco Growers, and Mill Workers.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 12:33 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 16, 2012 12:33 PM (3Y7RV)
Anyone want to start a pool on which city is the next to go tits up because they couldn't say no to the unions?
My money is on Oakland California
Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 12:34 PM (wwsoB)
>> From earlier it was 30% (5700 ppl) that were unionized and acted like dicks. Did something change that made the rest of them responsible as well?
Not exactly, the bakers union is the 2nd largest within Hostess, almost 6000 members. The Teamsters were the larger one, around 8000 (Hostess was "self-distributing" so they had a shitload of drivers and warehouse workers).
The Teamsters struck a deal with Hostess and all but screamed at the Bakers to do the same. Some Teamsters crossed the picket lines, a lot didn't.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 16, 2012 12:34 PM (WvXvd)
Remember that Amtrak story a few months ago about how their cost on a $9 hamburger was $16? (and that was A-O-K)
I guess they could make it up with volume.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 12:34 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 12:34 PM (bb5Af)
Posted by: Meiczslaw
............
You're probably right..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 16, 2012 12:34 PM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 16, 2012 12:34 PM (B/VB5)
Dick Gephart was one of the vulture capitalists who invested in the turnaround of Hostess. The poor suckers not part of the baker's union who lost their jobs anyway were union, just a different union.
The story just keeps getting better.
Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 12:34 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:27 PM (sbV1u)
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Why the owner and the investors didn't move this operation to a right-to-work state is indicative of perhaps bad decisions by the owner and investors also.
Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 12:35 PM (Mb6YF)
Posted by: AmishDude at November 16, 2012 12:35 PM (T0NGe)
Like Virginia.
They will be staffed with illegals in a matter of minutes.
Posted by: Barakatemydog at November 16, 2012 12:35 PM (qBLA2)
****
The "brotherhood" stands together.
There were also teamsters employed there and despite having resolved their ow contract issues, would still stand beside their brethren.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 12:35 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 12:35 PM (3sZO1)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 12:36 PM (bb5Af)
Hostess closed down.
Hardest hit-Michael Moore
He won't be able to two-fist Ding-Dongs into his open maw anymore.
Posted by: cool cal at November 16, 2012 12:36 PM (VDovR)
I'd believe that if it were Trumpka and his teamsters. Somehow I don't see it from the Bakers, Confectioners, Tobacco Growers, and Mill Workers.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 04:33 PM (8y9MW)
Rolling pins?
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 12:36 PM (zpqa2)
I can't even describe the pure joy I feel every morning when I get up and I remember how lucky I am to have a job in this economy.
It BLOWS. MY. MIND. that there are people out there, in THIS economy who think the world owes them something.
LET. IT. BURN.
Reality is a cruel mistress.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 12:36 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 16, 2012 12:36 PM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: glass half full at November 16, 2012 12:37 PM (nxTmu)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 12:37 PM (QupBk)
Beat them over their heads with iron pipes.
And that's not a joke. Posted by: MFM at November 16, 2012 04:29 PM
Actually the union threatened to fine anyone who crossed. Once the strike was over, under the rules of the contract the company would be forced to terminate anyone who didn't pay the fine or were delinquent in their union dues
Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 12:37 PM (wwsoB)
Its actually easier to listen to coast to coast, and laugh at alien cultists because they aren't doing any harm
Posted by: At the end of my rope at November 16, 2012 12:37 PM (YAGzS)
As someone else said, they were "self distributing." That means they had to have Union
They're based in Irving, TX.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 12:37 PM (8y9MW)
A problem with this particular business (low margin baking) - it kinda has to be done locally to be profitable.
One of the plants they had already closed was in Indianapolis. Indiana has been RTW since the Bush Era.
(Mullet! http://is.gd/0gw70p)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, outlier at November 16, 2012 12:37 PM (/kI1Q)
Sigh. Should have known the 'Bimbo' part would get the attention and not the 'Teamsters tried to take them over', bless yer hearts.
I saw that part, but who doesn't want to get their fingers in a sticky Bimbo?
Posted by: fluffy at November 16, 2012 12:37 PM (3SvjA)
Posted by: wth at November 16, 2012 12:37 PM (wAQA5)
Not exactly, the bakers union is the 2nd largest within Hostess, almost 6000 members. The Teamsters were the larger one, around 8000 (Hostess was "self-distributing" so they had a shitload of drivers and warehouse workers).
*****
they also used contractors to deliver local routes so the majority of their Teamsters drivers would have been linehaul.
They should have moved to intermodal transport long, long ago.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 12:38 PM (piMMO)
The real mystery is how did Tobacco growers get lumped into the same union as bakers, confectionery workers and grain millers?
Posted by: kj at November 16, 2012 12:38 PM (AW9md)
This guy is brain dead, like the rest of the Obama supporters.
We are SOOO fucked.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 16, 2012 12:38 PM (t8d2s)
Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 04:35 PM (Mb6YF)
There are Hostess bakeries throughout the country. It is a geographically-distributed business. (was)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 12:38 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: Marcia Fudge at November 16, 2012 12:39 PM (DrC22)
Posted by: BuckIV at November 16, 2012 12:39 PM (gedHR)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 16, 2012 12:39 PM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 16, 2012 12:39 PM (C8mVl)
Marcia can go Fudge herself.
With a pineapple.
Sideways.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 12:40 PM (sbV1u)
but let's worry about Todd Akin embarassing our side.
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 12:40 PM (WrIV3)
****
And the rising cost of food is not figured into the consumer basket.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 12:40 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 12:40 PM (wwsoB)
Hostess is definitely too big to fail. America's vital twinkie supply must not be jeopardized.
Posted by: Jordan at November 16, 2012 04:04 PM (jRfn3)
We can always raid Rosie O's strategic reserve.
Posted by: Flounder at November 16, 2012 12:40 PM (Kkt/i)
197 -
I am going to assume whatever difference exists between you and the rest of your parish school parents, the problem is not that they are "very conservative."
Unfortunately, there is a significant amount of intolerance from Catholics and Christians, when it comes to certain things, but that is because they are fallible humans, NOT because they are conservative Christians.
It can and often does happen anywhere you gather more than a few people. I'm sorry it's happening where you are.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 16, 2012 12:40 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 12:40 PM (bb5Af)
Posted by: Chris Christie Thought Bubble at November 16, 2012 12:41 PM (DrC22)
Yup, it's not cost effective to bake cupcakes in Texas and deliver em to the West coast, northeast, etc. Closer outfits will kill you on trans costs.
Similar to the Coca Cola bottlers network. When your customers are tens of thousands of c-stores, grocery stores and other retail outlets, you have to produce geographically close (regions)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 16, 2012 12:41 PM (WvXvd)
Posted by: Seamus McBoogie at November 16, 2012 12:41 PM (PALjS)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 12:41 PM (bb5Af)
CHOKE ON A FUCKING HAM SANDWICH ALREADY YOU FAT GREEDY FUCK!
I have a gallon of piss with your tombstone's name on it.
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 16, 2012 12:42 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 16, 2012 12:42 PM (VtjlW)
This is true, which you realize as soon as you see this.
http://tinyurl.com/39eqr6h
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 12:42 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 12:43 PM (1Y+hH)
The difference is investment banks exist to provide a better product or service and compete on that basis; unions exist to provide a worse product or service, and compete on that.
Posted by: Truman North, last of the famous international playboys at November 16, 2012 04:28 PM (I2LwF)
>>>
>>
>
Investment banks exist solely to generate invesment profit, which is not a product, since it isn't manufactured. Labor orgnaization emerged out of child labor, terminal wage slavery and hazardous working conditions. I like the 40 hour workweek, and child labor laws, and workplace safety regulations. I guess the American working-class don't really matter to some people. Maybe that's why there are unions.
Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 12:43 PM (XC3Mz)
Petition wants Obama to save Twinkies
A new White House petition wants President Obama to nationalize the "Twinkie industry," saving the popular junk food from possible extinction.
"We the undersigned, hereby request Barack Obama to immediately Nationalize the Twinkie industry and prevent our nation from losing her sweet creamy center," a petition on the White House "We the People" website requests.
http://tinyurl.com/d942jzc
Posted by: Tami at November 16, 2012 12:44 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (1Y+hH)
The next four years of Obama will pretty much guarantee we will all need to smoke a joint to deal with the shit of daily life in EUmerica
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 16, 2012 12:44 PM (ovpNn)
Dad used to pound me with this when I was kid. Once I got a job, it was pretty crystal clear. Then again, we didn't have X-box. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 04:40 PM (bb5Af)
My Dad used to pound me with it too.
The Army made sure the lesson took.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 12:44 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Lurker who always comes to the thread late at November 16, 2012 12:44 PM (xfWVe)
Not to mention finding their tires slashed and windows smashed at quitting time. Or worse.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 16, 2012 12:44 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at November 16, 2012 12:44 PM (nZvGM)
Posted by: Doly Madison's Cookie at November 16, 2012 12:45 PM (1PE/J)
Posted by: DanInMN at November 16, 2012 12:45 PM (QVdlh)
Zero Hedge had a great piece on this. Except this Bain was run by a stinkin DEMOCRAT.....
Can't let that out of the box, can we....
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 16, 2012 12:45 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 16, 2012 12:45 PM (jUytm)
272, Petition wants Obama to save Twinkies..
***
So, can we expect a petition to save the New York Jets from themselves.
Posted by: IC at November 16, 2012 12:45 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 12:45 PM (bb5Af)
Posted by: and irresolute at November 16, 2012 12:45 PM (DBH1h)
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 16, 2012 04:44 PM (ovpNn)
Hell the last 4 did that. Where's the heroin?
Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 12:45 PM (1Y+hH)
You do know that the UAW was formed because Henry Ford was going to hire black people, right?
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 16, 2012 12:46 PM (4+LTj)
Whachu talkin' 'bout cracka?!?! They come from same place I got dis' 'Bamaphone!
Posted by: LaQuanIsha TyRonA Washington at November 16, 2012 12:46 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 04:38 PM (zpqa2)
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So if this was just a localized bakery, why would shutting this particular site down affect the whole company? Can't twinkies be made at other Hostess bakeries?
Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 12:46 PM (Mb6YF)
Posted by: Doly Madison's Cookie at November 16, 2012 04:45 PM (1PE/J)
I have a much easier time picturing him choking to death in a pool of his own vomit wearing shitstained underoos with kiddie porn playing on his tv when the cops show up.
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 16, 2012 12:46 PM (ovpNn)
Here in WA where pot legalization just passed, the state Liquor Control Board announced it will be overseeing things. This is funny because last year the voters voted to end the state's monopoly on booze.
One of the facts that came out during the booze thing was that the state employed control board 'marketing managers'. For a monopoly.
You can't make this stuff up. I wonder what the pot marketing campaigns will look like...
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 12:46 PM (zpqa2)
@130
Exactly! My husband is now unemployed thanks to fucking Frank Hurt. The vote the BCTGM said they let their members voice be heard? My husband got exactly 1 day notice of where to go vote on the wage concessions. We had to forgo a trip up to the mountains to go hiking so he could go vote FOR the concessions.
Please people, not all Union Members are scum. Union membership was required for employment. NOT his choice. Neither of us voted for the fucktard in office and did not ask for this, but when you live in Vegas and the unemployment rate is 12% and it was a somewhat decent paying job you take what you can get.
Posted by: Agent P at November 16, 2012 12:46 PM (fPmeR)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 12:47 PM (X3lox)
Just like a liberal. So detached from reality they think we're still living in the 1800's. CHAINZ!!!!11!1!
Posted by: Adam at November 16, 2012 12:47 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (XC3Mz)
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A bank makes a loan, the company uses the money to turn the company around, making a profit, the company then pays off the loan over time and the bank makes a profit off the interest, which in turn allows them to give out more loans.
An investment banker works just as much as a trucker.
Plenty of folks can drive a truck, there are a lot less people in the world who are qualified to know what is a safe investment.
Let's call "working class" for what it is: The bigotry of low expectations from blue collar workers.
Posted by: Nate at November 16, 2012 12:47 PM (i3OIF)
C'mon guys... it takes a really highly skilled union baker to stand around and watch the machine spit out Twinkies and Donettes all day.
Posted by: wth at November 16, 2012 12:47 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Justamom at November 16, 2012 12:47 PM (Sptt8)
I buying stock in the first tobacco company to start selling pot.
Easy money, baby.
Let it burn, heh.
Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 12:48 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 16, 2012 12:48 PM (6H6FZ)
I heard that Big Tobacco is gearing up to make pot cigs. Anybody seen anything about that?
Big Tobacco is gearing up for three billion new smokers in China and India
Posted by: kj at November 16, 2012 12:48 PM (AW9md)
She was arguing...ARGUING...that the non-union Hostess workers have a case for suing Hostess.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 12:48 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 16, 2012 12:48 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: MJ, channeling Joe Biden at November 16, 2012 12:48 PM (TR60b)
I just have to ask, since you're all for retaining vestigial organs that have lost their original purpose...
So...do you still have a pre-hensile tail?
You act like OSHA, MSHA, EBSA, PBGC and all these other agencies government labor watchdogs don't even exist. Instead, you think unions perform all these functions.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 12:49 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 12:49 PM (bb5Af)
Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (XC3Mz)
It's been hours since I've read anything that stupid.
Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 12:49 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: and irresolute at November 16, 2012 12:49 PM (DBH1h)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 16, 2012 12:49 PM (5Hk3U)
*****
I'd be willing to bet that no successful person on this blog has EVER worked a 40-hour week.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 12:49 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: BurtTC at November 16, 2012 12:50 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: AmishDude at November 16, 2012 12:50 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 16, 2012 12:50 PM (VtjlW)
Fixed it for you since you havent heard about Obamacare recently
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 16, 2012 12:50 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse
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Gonna sue citing the Milly Bedwetter precedent, no doubt.
Posted by: sTevo at November 16, 2012 12:51 PM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 16, 2012 12:51 PM (QF8uk)
Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 16, 2012 12:51 PM (PALjS)
Greatest joke I heard pre-election:
Hurricane Sandy approaches, Governor Christie sets up emergency response homebase at Golden Corral....
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 16, 2012 12:51 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (5Hk3U)
Oh, come on!! What play???
Posted by: and irresolute at November 16, 2012 12:51 PM (DBH1h)
Posted by: Extremely grumpy momma bear at November 16, 2012 12:51 PM (A0OHH)
Are you really this dumb? Do you really think the investment companies can just buy and sell companies like trading cards, and the companies increase in value by some magic?
No, you idiot. The investment company works to make the company more efficient (sometimes through efficiency consultants of various stripes, sometimes by reorganization, and so forth). Once the purchased company is more efficient, they start generating a profit that the investment company pockets.
But if you think that efficiency doesn't provide value, you're an idiot.
As for the "rise of labor movement," you're not completely wrong, but you're not as right as you think you are. All of those things where already changing before unions gained wide acceptance. Indeed, the wide acceptance of unions was as much an indication of the change as anything else. Certainly by the time association unions (AFL, CIO, etc) came into existence, any "work" needed from the unions had already been accomplished.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 12:51 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 12:51 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: Ayn Rand at November 16, 2012 12:51 PM (sgNEe)
C'mon guys... it takes a really highly skilled union baker to stand around and watch the machine spit out Twinkies and Donettes all day.
Posted by: wth at November 16, 2012 04:47 PM (wAQA5)
Crap, I could deal with no Twinkies...but no Donettes?!??!?
I demand that Obozo extort money from my fellow Americans to bail out Hostess!!!!
Posted by: Memebot at November 16, 2012 12:51 PM (ggRof)
Posted by: Lurker who always comes to the thread late at November 16, 2012 12:52 PM (xfWVe)
Let's go further. Let's call "working class" for what it is: a group of people who expect everyone else to backstop their life decisions.
Let me caveat that a bit...I refer only to union working class.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 12:52 PM (sbV1u)
I'd be willing to bet that no successful person on this blog has EVER worked a 40-hour week.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (piMMO)
The fuck is a 40 hour work week?
When i worked on wallstreet, i worked close to 80.
now that i work for myself, i work a more leisurely 70.
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 16, 2012 12:52 PM (ovpNn)
Since your so concerned about child labor, shitty wages, hazardous working conditions how about starting with FoxCom or just pick any commie country.
Posted by: Dolly Madison's Cookie at November 16, 2012 12:52 PM (1PE/J)
If I were a debate moderator, my one and only question would be "Where do jobs come from?"
*blink* *blink*
*blink*
Posted by: Senator Dick Blumenthal at November 16, 2012 12:52 PM (3SvjA)
I love how leftists say silly shit like that while simultaneously accusing of us of living in the past.
Posted by: Country Singer (prepping for SMOD) at November 16, 2012 12:53 PM (meVGV)
Agent P,
Sorry to hear that. Yes, we must understand this. A lot of people are forced into unions.
We need to be the party that is for the worker and the employer, not the fucking union bosses that take everyone else's money.
That is a WINNING MESSAGE.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 16, 2012 12:53 PM (tVTLU)
I'm sure Hostess' current owners would be happy to take a big, fat check from Trumka to turn over the name and the keys and restart production under new union ownership with fatboy as the Chief Product Tester.
I will then sit back with a beer and laugh my ass off as they operate the company like monkeys flying the space shuttle.
Posted by: Jaws at November 16, 2012 12:53 PM (4I3Uo)
I might like that if it came dressed in a leather cat-suit.
Meow.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 12:54 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: and irresolute at November 16, 2012 12:54 PM (DBH1h)
Are you really this dumb? Do you really think the investment companies can just buy and sell companies like trading cards, and the companies increase in value by some magic?
Yeah, he does.
Posted by: Adam at November 16, 2012 12:54 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: MJ, channeling Joe Biden at November 16, 2012 12:54 PM (TR60b)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (piMMO)
I was trying to explain that to some people asking how I mostly retired at 60. I told them their 40 hour a week was for subsistence and what they did after 40 hours would be where they would acquire wealth. (I worked 7 days a week many times during my career.)
They informed me they were too tired after 40 hours to do anything. Now they are almost 60 and have nothing.
Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 12:54 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: MJ, channeling Joe Biden at November 16, 2012 04:48 PM (TR60b)
You could literally, not make him up. Not make him up.
FIFY
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 12:55 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 16, 2012 12:55 PM (QF8uk)
Leave him nothing to burn, and let him deal with the refugees
Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 12:55 PM (wwsoB)
This is why Republicans lose.
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 16, 2012 12:55 PM (ovpNn)
it was the Hostess Sno Ball that announced our arrival on stage as an advanced industial powerhouse
Posted by: kj at November 16, 2012 12:55 PM (AW9md)
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 12:55 PM (WrIV3)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 16, 2012 12:55 PM (NzBQO)
I get to work 40, now that I'm back to being a line engineer.
Being management stank. To be any good at it, I had to work 60 hours, and I didn't really get paid that much more.
Granted, it's a good thing I've gotten that experience. I'm dialing up my night job because there's a chance it'll be my day job next year. (And not because the night job surpasses the day one.)
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 16, 2012 12:55 PM (4+LTj)
Posted by: Lurker who always comes to the thread late at November 16, 2012 12:56 PM (xfWVe)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 12:56 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (piMMO)
Winner! Winner! Chicken dinner!
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 12:56 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: garrett at November 16, 2012 12:56 PM (Pdnm2)
I hope that some Chinese company doesn't buy them because with all those single horny Chinese men, I don;t want to know what the creme filling is.
Posted by: MrCaniac at November 16, 2012 12:56 PM (Ohhk6)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 16, 2012 12:57 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 12:57 PM (bb5Af)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (sbV1u)
>>>
>>
>
The point is that labor organization, whether you agree it should be here or not, is bigger than just union wages. Workplace regulations didn't come out of nowhere. Representatives were lobbied -- by organized labor -- and laws were passed, then agencies were created. I think that's pretty clear.
Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 12:57 PM (XC3Mz)
When I had trouble getting health insurance (due to Obamacare causing insurance companies to avoid anyone who isn't a cash generator), know what he said?
"You should have been in a union."
This is the mentality. It's like some sort of brainwashing.
Posted by: Miss Marple at November 16, 2012 12:57 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 12:57 PM (QupBk)
>> So if this was just a localized bakery, why would shutting this particular site down affect the whole company? Can't twinkies be made at other Hostess bakeries?
It was all bakeries, not just one. Company-wide strike.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 16, 2012 12:57 PM (WvXvd)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 16, 2012 04:55 PM
The physical assets like the plants will be shut and liquidated. There won't be anything physical to sell
Only the brand names will go up for auction, and they buy only the brand names, not the business itself.
What part of "there ain't no more money" don't they get?
Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 12:57 PM (wwsoB)
And what does the GOP have to say about all that?
Nothing.
Nada.
Zip.
Don't worry! Orca will save us!
Posted by: PJ at November 16, 2012 12:58 PM (ZWaLo)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 16, 2012 12:58 PM (5Hk3U)
obama's closing arguments of, hey clinton didn't suck amirite? really was pathetic. Too bad no one noticed.
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 12:58 PM (WrIV3)
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 16, 2012 12:58 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: tangonine at November 16, 2012 12:58 PM (x3YFz)
No kidding.
Make-up doesn't come in 55-gallon drums you know. How am I supposed to work with that POS? MAYBE, if he lost 150 lbs I could cover that lard in time for the show but....man....I am not a miracle worker.
Posted by: Donna, MSNBC Green Room Staff at November 16, 2012 12:58 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 12:58 PM (QupBk)
315 Serious question: what does Trumpka mean by crony capitalism?
I first heard that term back in the 90's...by leftists who were claiming that 'Capitalism is evil'.
It is a leftist term, created by them to imply that if it weren't for capitalism, then cronyism would not exist.
So I would imagine that is what Trumpka means, when he uses this phrase.
Conservatives are only helping the Left to demonize capitalism, when they use that phrase as though it is something valid.
Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 12:59 PM (ICEh3)
Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 16, 2012 12:59 PM (PALjS)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 12:59 PM (bb5Af)
Posted by: Adam at November 16, 2012 12:59 PM (/YJYi)
I did as a contractor, because that's all they would pay me for. I think the only month this year I haven't been on mandatory overtime was August.
I wouldn't call myself successful, though. Just payin' my way through life, which makes me one of life's losers in 21st century America.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, outlier at November 16, 2012 12:59 PM (/kI1Q)
No, unions exist for the same reason the Mafia exists. Because it can. I employ 18 people. How many jobs have you created, Jen?
Posted by: Chris M at November 16, 2012 12:59 PM (4lyMJ)
*ahem*
Posted by: Ayn Rand at November 16, 2012 04:51 PM (sgNEe)"
She's right! Even the NAME sounds like one of Rand's cooked-up villains: Cuffy Meigs, Orren Boyle, Wesley Mouch...Dick Trumka. He'd fit right in.
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at November 16, 2012 12:59 PM (FkH4y)
By your logic, every black person on the planet should be a Republican because they were the ones that ended slavery.
I'll wait for you to defend us to them.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 16, 2012 12:59 PM (4+LTj)
Big gun show in OKC this weekend. I'm taking a shopping cart.
Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 12:59 PM (Mb6YF)
For those of you who are still in shock, this company is NOT going out of business and their alternative to Hostess Sno Balls are not only tastey, they are bound to become a moron favorite
http://tinyurl.com/cvjl3k3
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 16, 2012 12:59 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 04:58 PM (Mb6YF)
We're going popcorn, bonfires, moving the big screen TV out to the patio and we're going to spend the next 4 years drunk.
All are welcome. BYO Val-U-Rite.
Posted by: tangonine at November 16, 2012 01:00 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 16, 2012 01:01 PM (6H6FZ)
Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 04:59 PM (Mb6YF)
I would, but after last election I have more than I can shoot even in a poorly edited movie. But, go get 'em.
Posted by: tangonine at November 16, 2012 01:01 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 01:01 PM (bb5Af)
Posted by: Justamom at November 16, 2012 01:01 PM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Adam at November 16, 2012 01:02 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Justamom at November 16, 2012 01:02 PM (Sptt8)
Let's unpack this shall we?
First off, I think it's funny that lib-tards seem to like lobbying when it's for their pet causes, but when it's for things Conservatives support, lobbyists are "teh EVILLL!"
Second, why does past success require that we keep the unions around forever? Do you think robber barons are still running "company stores" where people have to rent their own equipment?
And that assumes that you're right, which you aren't. Labor organizations did lobby for labor laws- but if they were the only ones who had, nothing would have happened. The zeitgeist was already changing. People who were working with their employees instead of against them were realizing profits, and so mine and factory owners were figuring out (pretty quickly, really) that giving into these kinds of concessions just made economic sense.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 01:02 PM (8y9MW)
no really....well okay not really but it makes as much sense.
Screw you trumpka let it burn
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 01:02 PM (LRFds)
The point is that retaining organizations that have outlived their usefulness, and destroyed more jobs than they've created in the last 50 years, is economic suicide.
We're sorry you can't see that. But thanks to the shitty education you got, it's quite common among GEN Xers. On behalf of the American people, I apologize to you, but I can't fix it here. Try reading some Friedman or Hayek and then come back and try again.
You're living in a sort of Back To The Future world. You think in order to go forward, you need to live in the past.
Good luck with that.
Posted by: Donna, MSNBC Green Room Staff at November 16, 2012 01:02 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at November 16, 2012 04:59 PM (FkH4y)
I'm glad the book has a happy ending. Considering the fact that we're living it out and all.
Wake me when Galt gives his speech.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 01:03 PM (zpqa2)
This may be true but what other company offered a 40 hour work week before Ford?
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ford-factory-workers-get-40-hour-week
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 16, 2012 01:03 PM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Adam at November 16, 2012 04:59 PM (/YJYi)
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You're only half right. They want to put 8 year old black girls on the factory lines in chains.
Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 01:03 PM (Mb6YF)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 16, 2012 01:03 PM (C8mVl)
Dave In Texas, it wasn't company wide. 12 plants were striking. My husband's plant was not. He would've crossed the picket line if it was.
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@291 Careful, Agent P. Ferb has been known to post here. You don't want to blow your cover.
I have my fedora and am incognito.
Posted by: Agent P at November 16, 2012 01:04 PM (fPmeR)
Trumka knows how to piss away any sympathy the Teamsters might have got for being the "reasonable" union here.
Fuck him and the Teamsters.
Posted by: steveegg at November 16, 2012 01:04 PM (o44nj)
328...
The fuck is a 40 hour work week?When i worked on wallstreet, i worked close to 80.now that i work for myself, i work a more leisurely 70.
Yeah, jeremiah...most small business owners work way more than a '40 hour week'.
People who get paid only on commissions, too.
It's not uncommon for people in Sales, to work 10 hrs a day, 6 days a week.
Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 01:04 PM (ICEh3)
ALL trolls are Average Joe
Posted by: Donna, MSNBC Green Room Staff at November 16, 2012 01:05 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 01:05 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (XC3Mz)
American unions are pikers. If you want to see the labor movement performed properly, visit Greece, France, Italy, Spain...
Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 01:05 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 16, 2012 01:06 PM (GBXon)
there are no angels in the union movement.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 01:06 PM (LRFds)
just being fair here.
shouldn't it be equal ?
equal justice!!
Posted by: willow at November 16, 2012 01:06 PM (hX8cq)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 01:06 PM (bb5Af)
We are doomed.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 16, 2012 01:06 PM (P7hip)
Youse guys stop it.....stop it right now.
Posted by: Tami at November 16, 2012 01:06 PM (X6akg)
Self-awareness is not an option with this model of the Axelrod2000
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 01:07 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 16, 2012 01:07 PM (/L8ZW)
Did you have to be on call on holidays, too? My dad got beeped out of every other Thanksgiving and Christmas (and school play, etc) for years.
(But remember, no other professional is as overworked and underpaid and unappreciated as teachers, because sometimes they have to grade papers after class.)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, outlier at November 16, 2012 01:07 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Ignatz D. Mouse at November 16, 2012 01:07 PM (AD6Iz)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 16, 2012 01:07 PM (C8mVl)
Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at November 16, 2012 01:07 PM (IrbU4)
ONLY if we are in their country forcing ourselves to read their history....
Run RED.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 01:08 PM (LRFds)
Because it was the last time they didn't have to pay attention to reality.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 01:08 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Hammurabi at November 16, 2012 01:08 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 16, 2012 01:08 PM (GBXon)
Why do they have to know the names of everyone and how they voted? Wouldn't their awesomeness sell itself?
Or do a few heads have to be cracked to get them folks to cough up those union dues that they really want
Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 01:08 PM (wwsoB)
*****
I'd be willing to bet that no successful person on this blog has EVER worked a 40-hour week.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (piMMO)
Niedermyer: This person is unfamiliar with the 80 hour work week that successful people actually work. Ask a rancher or a farmer about a 40 hour work week and then after you regain consciousness (not you, the idiot that "likes" the 40 hour work week) can kiss my redneck ass.
Even as a contractor I worked 50/60 hour work weeks and the pay stopped at 40 (govt. contracts... only so much money to go around, but shit still had to get done). These "40 hour work week" dumbasses have exactly ZERO clue about what it takes to succeed. They just want to collect a check and go watch American Idol and eat the last of the Twinkies.
Posted by: tangonine at November 16, 2012 01:08 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Small Business Owner working on a stroke at November 16, 2012 01:09 PM (bb5Af)
Posted by: sdavis at November 16, 2012 01:09 PM (njVMI)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 16, 2012 01:09 PM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Justamom at November 16, 2012 01:09 PM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 16, 2012 01:09 PM (NzBQO)
In off topic, non Twinkie related news, the Israeli govt just announced the call up of 75,000 reservists.
The IAF has struck nearly 700 targets in the Gaza strip so far.
Lastly, missiles are now being launched at Israel from the Sinai.
Now, back to "Twinkie-geddon: America's Nightmare, Day 1"
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 16, 2012 01:10 PM (L7hol)
Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 01:10 PM (Mb6YF)
Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 16, 2012 01:10 PM (PALjS)
Posted by: t-bird at November 16, 2012 01:12 PM (FcR7P)
395 206 --- "I hate that phrase...'crony capitalism'.
It was created by the leftist progs, to demonize capitalism.
It hurts my ears when I hear conservatives like Palin and Malkinuse this phrase. "
Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 04:31 PM (ICEh3)
I HATE that too.
The proper term is "crony socialism." Capitalism, theoretically at least, is a system in which the economic and political powers are separated. It is socialism which subordinates the economy to the political power.
I use the term "crony socialism" all the time, just to raise eyebrows.....and in hopes that I will get people to think.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 16, 2012 05:03 PM (C8mVl)
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Good for you, Margarita!
That's what it is too...'crony socialism'.
It's picking winners and losers, based on politics...and using Our Money to dole out favors.
Cronyism is corruption.
It has flourished under Socialism, as a way to reward political friends, and punnish political enemies.
Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 01:12 PM (ICEh3)
Let It Burn!
Posted by: TexBob at November 16, 2012 01:12 PM (pUOpM)
The members of the other two unions should sue the bakers for lost wages.
Posted by: harleycowb at November 16, 2012 01:12 PM (wSTfB)
Posted by: Obama Voter at November 16, 2012 01:12 PM (wAQA5)
CHARGE!! FORWARD GOOD MEN AND WOMEN!! WE WILL NOT LET OUR TWINKIES DIE OFF WITH A WHIMPER!!!
Posted by: Captain Twinkie at November 16, 2012 01:12 PM (F6KtL)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 16, 2012 01:12 PM (AjH+Y)
Trumka is a bleeping moron. Hostess was in a no win situation. They had acquired/inherited so many union contracts and obligations that they were inevitably doomed. They cut a deal with the Teamsters which the Teamsters members accepted. But the Bakers union members torpedoed the deal, refused to accept it, went on strike and shut down a few baking plants.
It's called f@#k your union buddies--that's how the ship went down.
Posted by: Comanche Voter at November 16, 2012 01:12 PM (oe1aw)
Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 01:12 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Chuck at November 16, 2012 01:12 PM (fQjba)
429 -
I don't know about racist, but if you haven't had even the slightest amount of sexual arousal from the HoHo, whether you are male or female, check with your doctor.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 16, 2012 01:12 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Shoot Me at November 16, 2012 01:12 PM (qiXMt)
you mean unless an arrangement has been made between management and BA for needed hours
than you will be working as long as needed .. great pay though.
try going home if your shift hasn't ended.
might be construction trades have it different than a manufacturer
Posted by: willow at November 16, 2012 01:13 PM (hX8cq)
why because evil Bain kills workers who vote yes in secret...er uh....
Idiots....
Run Red push right to work....smash these bastards.
Wage is my job not some fat ass with a full liquor cabinet.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 01:13 PM (LRFds)
I had this conversation with a libtard co-worker about Obamacare once. Same exact thing,
Me: "If it's so great, why do we have to force people into it? Shouldn't everyone just want it because it's awesome?"
Libtard: "It won't work if you don't mandate people do it."
Me: "This fact makes no impression whatsoever on you, does it?"
Which makes the standard prog line about how "Republicans want to tell everyone how to live" especially risible. Let's face it, leftys are the real totalitarians.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 01:13 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 01:13 PM (3sZO1)
you missed the prequel where the smart family got the fuck out of Gotham and was eating a nice dinner helping the neighbors with their spread....
fuck the Blue.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 01:14 PM (LRFds)
It's picking winners and losers, based on politics...and using Our Money to dole out favors.
Cronyism is corruption.
It has flourished under Socialism, as a way to reward political friends, and punnish political enemies.
Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 05:12 PM (ICEh3)
Or as 'someone' recently said.....only picks the losers.
Posted by: Tami at November 16, 2012 01:14 PM (X6akg)
This woman is a prophet, nothing less and a great big bit more.
Posted by: Heltau at November 16, 2012 01:15 PM (Tp2Qu)
Yup...
Light bulbs, toilet paper, Calgon bath salts, you name it they have a plan for it...fascist bastards.
Protect freedom castrate a mooonbat
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 01:15 PM (LRFds)
I have been the Radiation Safety Officer where I work for 25 years. I now have quadruple the paperwork and fees but the safety hasn't changed one bit. There has never been an incident here and none of the new rules made that happen.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 16, 2012 01:16 PM (tf9Ne)
Yep, that's civility alright. Blame the victim for being abused.
Posted by: radioactive at November 16, 2012 01:16 PM (79KO9)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 01:17 PM (bb5Af)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 16, 2012 01:17 PM (n5+zr)
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:14 PM (LRFds)
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Yup. (And I'm looking at you too, Ohio and Florida)
Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 01:17 PM (Mb6YF)
Posted by: Lurker who always comes to the thread late at November 16, 2012 01:18 PM (xfWVe)
Since they failed to learn the lesson of 'The Golden Goose', the story of 'The Golden Sponge Cake' will be told as a lesson that covetous Union greed, instead of bringing prosperity, brings unemployment and poverty.
Posted by: Revised Grimm's Fairy(Not Ghey) Tales at November 16, 2012 01:19 PM (fDjqx)
Great comment Idaho spudboy! I love it!
Posted by: carolina at November 16, 2012 01:19 PM (/M0gK)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 01:19 PM (X3lox)
It should be known as political capitalism instead of crony capitalism.
Some of our capitalists were true capitalists and others were political capitalists that used government regulation to build their business when their own efforts were not successful. He gets a lot of grief but Rockefeller was a true capitalist and his competitors were political capitalists who when they couldn't compete had the goverment intervene , improperly I might add. When Standard Oil was broken up it had less than a 45% share of the market. Which was less than what it had just a decade before. As a result prices and quality went down.
Another prime example in the Transcontinental Railroad. Look up the difference between it and the other true capitalist transcontinental line, The Great Northern owned by James Hill.
Posted by: polynikes at November 16, 2012 01:20 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 05:13 PM (3sZO1)
This drives me crazy. Ford raised wages so he could retain good employees. He was having enormous turnover and it was causing productivity problems. "Raise wages so your employees can afford the product they build" is the economic equivalent of a perpetual motion machine. Why not triple them yet again so that they can buy three times as many? Why not...you see where this is going?
Posted by: somebody else, not me at November 16, 2012 01:20 PM (nZvGM)
463
396 Ferb and Agent P are from 'Phineas and Ferb', and apparently they're morons too.
Aren't they a little young for Val-U-Rite and hobo hunting?
Yes, yes we are!
Posted by: Agent P at November 16, 2012 01:20 PM (fPmeR)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 16, 2012 05:17 PM (n5+zr)
Sort of makes you want to buy 55-gallon drums and a shovel, don't it?
Posted by: tangonine at November 16, 2012 01:20 PM (x3YFz)
That should thin their ranks out sufficiently.
LET THE MOTHER FUCKER BURN!
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 16, 2012 01:20 PM (ovpNn)
UPS strike in 1997 showed me that unions simply create entitlement and laziness in a work force that used to be the best in the world.
We ran more efficiently with half the workers just by running the hub using management people.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2012 01:20 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Ex-Solyndra employee at November 16, 2012 01:20 PM (wAQA5)
Thanks Buzz. This just gets better and better.
Posted by: carolina at November 16, 2012 01:21 PM (/M0gK)
Posted by: avagreen at November 16, 2012 01:21 PM (WR2rX)
What pisses me off about Union Bosses like Trumpka...is how they get away with acting like they are 'for the people'.
That is such bullshit.
Unions are Anti-Consumer.
It is the Consumers who lose out, when product prices go up, in order to satisfy union demands.
The same with Socialism.
Socialism is Anti-Consumer as well.
Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 01:21 PM (ICEh3)
Posted by: OBAMAFONE! at November 16, 2012 01:22 PM (x3YFz)
I only had to do that for a few years. In those days a rural practice meant you had to travel to five or six sites to make a living. After the about ten years, I could quit the worst of them. And I should add that I had a great time doing most of that and I literally not only have no complaints but would not change any of it.I went to some amazing remote towns where the clinic was open one day a week or two days a month. Some of the places were over a hundred miles one way. One I could have flown to a couple of times a month but it didn't work out.
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 16, 2012 01:23 PM (6H6FZ)
Posted by: Boomer Redneque says, Burn it ALL the fuck down! at November 16, 2012 01:23 PM (7FZst)
Yeah nothing like having a lifestyle I would have envied in the 70s being handed to folk as theirs by birth...
OBAMAFO!
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 01:23 PM (LRFds)
This is a guy who, in Illinois, said to "Kick the S*** out of every last" person who crossed the picket line.
"So, you got what's coming to you, baby! It's your fault"
Posted by: radioactive at November 16, 2012 01:24 PM (79KO9)
TRhe good news I don't think they have the will to finish the book....the bad news?
They want to use a movie as a how to guide and they're looking at either Soylent Green or Coma.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 01:24 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: blindside at November 16, 2012 01:26 PM (x7g7t)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 16, 2012 01:26 PM (C8mVl)
Posted by: Daryl Herbert at November 16, 2012 01:26 PM (uhkWa)
Posted by: blindside at November 16, 2012 01:26 PM (x7g7t)
Posted by: TexasJew at November 16, 2012 01:27 PM (lD8ju)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 01:27 PM (bb5Af)
Nice gig if youse can get it, huh?
Posted by: Knuckles Milano, Teamsters Local #4 at November 16, 2012 01:28 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 01:29 PM (Mb6YF)
467 It should be known as political capitalism instead of crony capitalism.
Some of our capitalists were true capitalists and others were political capitalists that used government regulation to build their business when their own efforts were not successful. He gets a lot of grief but Rockefeller was a true capitalist and his competitors were political capitalists who when they couldn't compete had the goverment intervene , improperly I might add. When Standard Oil was broken up it had less than a 45% share of the market. Which was less than what it had just a decade before. As a result prices and quality went down.
Another prime example in the Transcontinental Railroad. Look up the difference between it and the other true capitalist transcontinental line, The Great Northern owned by James Hill.
Posted by: polynikes at November 16, 2012 05:20 PM (m2CN7)
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What you have described here...is corruption.
Let's leave the word 'Capitalism' out of it, shall we?
Tying politcal favoritism to the word 'capitalism' just helps the commies who seek to demonize capitalism.
Someone who 'capitalizes' on their political connections...is not engaging in capitalism.
They are engaging in corruption.
Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 01:29 PM (ICEh3)
FIFY
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 01:29 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 16, 2012 01:30 PM (bxiXv)
You didn't know?
Oh yes it is rich the Dick Dick Gebhardt as Babs Steisand called him is a big wheel...
yup Mitt Romney as played by a former speaker of the house with Bran D tatooed to his head....
they are trying to make us fucking kulaks
Hurricane Sandy?
Mitt Romney
Economic Implosion?
Mitt Romney
Bush better send Mitt a goddamned check or servant of darkness as compensation for the break...
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 01:30 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 01:31 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: TexasJew at November 16, 2012 01:32 PM (lD8ju)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 16, 2012 01:32 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 05:29 PM (ICEh3)
Breaking up Standard Oil was not corruption. It was government intervention. Using the government to change the marketplace.
Posted by: polynikes at November 16, 2012 01:32 PM (m2CN7)
"because" which is in the end the main rebuttal for all their arguments...
Run RED
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 01:32 PM (LRFds)
union eh
yeah Unions are committed to a cause and it certainly isn't workers.
Posted by: willow at November 16, 2012 01:32 PM (hX8cq)
Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 16, 2012 01:33 PM (PALjS)
Posted by: TexasJew at November 16, 2012 01:34 PM (lD8ju)
>> Dave In Texas, it wasn't company wide. 12 plants were striking. My husband's plant was not. He would've crossed the picket line if it was.
Ah, thanks for that correction. The larger issue though is that the vote to reject Hostess' offer affected the entire baker's union membership, regardless of whether they were all striking or not.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 16, 2012 01:36 PM (WvXvd)
499 Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 05:29 PM (ICEh3)
Breaking up Standard Oil was not corruption. It was government intervention. Using the government to change the marketplace.
Posted by: polynikes at November 16, 2012 05:32 PM (m2CN7)
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It was a corrupt government intervention.
It was a govt. intervention brought about as a favor to political friends.
Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 01:36 PM (ICEh3)
Posted by: edj at November 16, 2012 01:39 PM (+QKfp)
they NEVER stop......
they want control so they get to set your wage whether a member or not through coercion....
I hate the left with fury.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 01:41 PM (LRFds)
Ah, thanks for that correction. The larger issue though is that the vote to reject Hostess' offer affected the entire baker's union membership, regardless of whether they were all striking or not.
Exactly. The union gave us 24 hour notice of when/where the vote was. They said 92% of union members rejected it, but I know at the plant my husband was at, no one voted against the concessions.
Posted by: Agent P at November 16, 2012 01:43 PM (fPmeR)
Posted by: EP at November 16, 2012 01:44 PM (T0FzQ)
we keep running updates and then usually barring a HUGE development there is a summary.
Yesterday had one we'll get one soon.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 01:45 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: TexasJew at November 16, 2012 01:45 PM (lD8ju)
Posted by: LGoPs at November 16, 2012 01:46 PM (BJVEF)
My old high school girlfriend loved Twinkie filling, but not the cake.
She had some interesting ways of extracting that filling.
Ah, memories. To be young again. To be young, and in love!!!
Posted by: wth at November 16, 2012 01:53 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Prick Bumpkin at November 16, 2012 01:54 PM (pkkxZ)
Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 01:56 PM (3sZO1)
****
Behold the absolutely perfect response.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 01:59 PM (piMMO)
well it is a mark of Obama's absolute genius...if we are all forced to work two jobs neither full time 56 hours a week...
"progress!"
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 02:03 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 16, 2012 02:03 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 16, 2012 02:04 PM (bxiXv)
We ran more efficiently with half the workers just by running the hub using management people.
*****
I keep asking people, If the union is so great at watching out for the working man, then just why in the hell are you threatened with walking a line every.damn.time. contract renewal comes up?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 02:04 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: No rest 'til Hammersmith! at November 16, 2012 02:05 PM (4P4ww)
****
They had too learn that lesson at the expense of hundreds of thousands of jobs.
Remember Consolidated Freightways?
How about those transcontinental UPS relay-routes?
Yellow Freight? Well, the clock is ticking.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 02:07 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Socratease at November 16, 2012 02:10 PM (iVBDH)
I like "unicornism".
Let's start calling liberalism or progressivism "unicornism," the belief in mystical entities that, of course, do not exist.
Barney Frank is a unicornist.
Obama is an unicornist, believing that redistributing wealth creates prosperity in those that piss away everything the American citizen and the Constitution has offered them. Head Start=the most single expensive program of unicornism....over 16 billion and counting....for gains that don't last...regression to the mean....worthless...but makes people feel better, makes them think fairies with wings exist, makes them think guardian angels are above our heads 24/7( if we live in a progressive America), makes them believe in unicorns......
I love the word...let's start using it every time a lib floats their silly notions.''Ah, there you go again. Engaging in silly unicornism while we die."
Posted by: gm at November 16, 2012 02:11 PM (wgmUB)
Posted by: Sir Charles Napier at November 16, 2012 02:13 PM (pkkxZ)
laziness in a work force that used to be the best in the world." Fed Ex guys generally work the hardest. UPS guys work harder than US Postal Service workers.
Posted by: RingDing at November 16, 2012 02:17 PM (8gUDn)
Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 02:18 PM (3sZO1)
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Posted by: RingDing at November 16, 2012 02:19 PM (8gUDn)
>>>Remember Consolidated Freightways? How about those transcontinental UPS relay-routes?
Avenge me!
Posted by: G.O.D. at November 16, 2012 02:21 PM (Cp0Ie)
Posted by: Al G. at November 16, 2012 02:25 PM (BfPSD)
I work in logistics and have done Hazmat work and a few other things cutie pie I am glad I have such a fan....my own axelbot.
Airline I ran with early on had teamsters trying to union up....it was cute when they tried to corrner me in the locker room.
I told them Hoffa's dead and yanked a cargo knife and smile.
You got a problem with me having a problem with shakedown artists?
No problem.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 02:25 PM (LRFds)
Indeed....what the unions tried to do to a few CFX companies sucks ass.
Back in the old days the ICC gave out sole licenses to bidders for slots on routes between cities like runway slots....
just in time logistics would never have boomed without Reagan and it has grown our economy by hundreds of billions in the last decade alone.
Unions and hyperegulation are goddamned parasites.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 02:28 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Face down in a memory but otherwise doing all right at November 16, 2012 02:29 PM (p4U6S)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 16, 2012 02:30 PM (bxiXv)
well he was complicated he was an ardent anti-communist as well...
Ford was a genius and about 1/2 step from crazy
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 02:33 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Leon Trotsky's Ghost at November 16, 2012 02:34 PM (pkkxZ)
Posted by: EC at November 16, 2012 02:38 PM (doBIb)
http://www.unionfacts.com/employee/AFL-CIO/RICHARD/TRUMKA
Posted by: vivi at November 16, 2012 02:49 PM (uGAD+)
Posted by: A. Rand at November 16, 2012 02:55 PM (ylseB)
Posted by: pahound at November 16, 2012 02:59 PM (mT6YX)
With everyone so health-conscious and with the mayor banning Big Gulps and the like, something like a Hostess twinkie can't survive unless it were to re-cast itself as 7-grain- whole-wheat muffins with a seaweed and acai berry filling.
The problem is that the counterfactuals and counternarrative for things like this aren't being organized and skillfully posted throughout social media and blogs by the GOP. Why is that? Or would say that in fact Republican social media is in fact effectively reaching a lot of people? Maybe if it weren't admixed so much with birthers and gold bugs and such it might be more effective.
Posted by: Catherine Fitzpatrick at November 16, 2012 03:12 PM (jsyuu)
The BALLS.
Unions in the USA are now openly and explicitly Marxist/Communist... as if anyone needed a reminder. Pay you? Pay you?! How's about "F*ck you!"?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 16, 2012 03:28 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 03:57 PM (3sZO1)
Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 04:04 PM (3sZO1)
Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 04:07 PM (3sZO1)
@411, I've tried going to other sites but I feel so at home here.
Posted by: notsothoreau at November 16, 2012 04:07 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: ALL_IS_LOST at November 16, 2012 04:42 PM (T/L2Z)
Posted by: Kevin Clark at November 16, 2012 05:15 PM (HJiVr)
Posted by: oldhardhead at November 16, 2012 05:40 PM (nkBm0)
Posted by: james at November 16, 2012 05:50 PM (1PqiV)
According to their religious beliefs, the union worker is entitled to make enough to keep paying union dues, with a guaranteed contract to boot. Ya see, the union worker is too incompetent to represent themselves, they need "representation".
If Big Oil companies got together with a representative and decided to fix the price of gas, regardless of quality, at $10 per gallon, people would scream about price fixing. If a bunch of union workers get together with a representative and decide to fix the salary and benefits of teachers, regardless of quality... why... that's their religious "right". <roll eyes>
Posted by: oldhardhead at November 16, 2012 05:51 PM (nkBm0)
But wait! There's more! It turns out the people running Hostess weren't just any capitalists, but hard core, Democratic supporters! The group of venture captialists were put together by Richard Gephardt, former US Congressman, who now runs a company that claims to be able to specialize in working with unions.
Guess he missed that one... heh.
Posted by: Cincimaddog at November 17, 2012 10:15 AM (auffj)
Posted by: Gary D at November 19, 2012 12:29 AM (YAEux)
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