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May 08, 2012

RNC Hispanic Outreach Guy: Romney's Still "Deciding" His Immigration Policy
— Ace

Instapundit talks about a certain kind of psychological trick the mind plays on you.

If you know anything about a subject matter, when you read the media's reportage of that subject matter, you will constantly see errors, childish oversimplifications, and sheer hackery. You will realize the media simply doesn't know what the hell it's talking about, at least as regards the subject matter you know a lot about.

But then you will turn the page and read the media writing about other subject matters, and kinda-sorta completely forget that you already know they don't know what the hell they're talking about.

There's a similar psychological thing that happens in politics.

How many people do you know that are actually good at their jobs? Mentally divide everyone you know into "outright incompetent," "semi-competent," "competent but limited and just hanging on," "actually completely competent" and "very competent."

What percentage of the people you work with (or hear about from others) are in the last two categories? 40%? 50%, if you're lucky?

And yet when a mid-level RNC diversity hack says something like this:

RNC National Hispanic Outreach Director on Romney just now: "He's still deciding what his position on immigration is."

...most of us spring to the notion This guy must know his onions; he must know Romney's mind intimately; he is probably in frequent communication with Romney and well-informed about what he's saying; he's also probably a highly-disciplined man, who speaks only when he knows the confirmed truth of the matter, and does not just sort of talk just to hear himself talk.

Why would we assume that? Of what percentage of the working population, in your experience, would those things be true of?

Again: What, 40%? Maybe 50% if you're in a very well-run organization?

This guy has probably spoken to Romney three times in the past year, never alone, and never for any lengthy period of time. He is not a close adviser. He's a mid-level PR guy in an affiliated organization (the RNC).

Let's not assume he's doing anything except what he thinks his job is supposed to be, "outreach" to Hispanics, and let's not assume he's doing it competently.

If half or more of the people you work with aren't very good at their jobs, it makes no sense to assume that someone in the oddball, sketchy job of political flacking is good at his.

Maybe he is.

But then again, maybe he was doing what most people do: Running their mouths without any idea what they're talking about.

Posted by: Ace at 08:48 AM | Comments (99)
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1 This is why I'm so scared of Romney. He's going to cave on this issue, I'm sure. Not that I won't vote for him anyways, but once again, I'll be not happy about who gets my vote for President.

Posted by: NC Ref at May 08, 2012 08:50 AM (/izg2)

2 Uh, so WHAT IS Mitt's immigration policy?

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 08, 2012 08:50 AM (RD7QR)

3 If I eat at Taco Bell, can I consider myself 1/32 hispanic?

Posted by: Soothsayer Warren at May 08, 2012 08:51 AM (jUytm)

4 >>>This is why I'm so scared of Romney. He's going to cave on this issue, I'm sure based on this?

Posted by: ace at May 08, 2012 08:51 AM (nj1bB)

Of course, you could make the same comments about Romney regarding competence.

Posted by: Steve D at May 08, 2012 08:52 AM (p9ikY)

6 3
If I eat at Taco Bell, can I consider myself 1/32 hispanic?

Posted by: Soothsayer Warren at May 08, 2012 12:51 PM (jUytm)

At least until it wends its way through your system.

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 08, 2012 08:52 AM (RD7QR)

7 "But then again, maybe he was doing what most people do: Running their mouths without any idea what they're talking about."

Well I'm not like other people. I can handle things. I'm smart. I can do things. Not like everybody says.

Posted by: Fredo Biden at May 08, 2012 08:53 AM (eHIJJ)

8 Watching Rubio talk about immigration on FNC Sunday....gave me heartburn.

Posted by: wheatie at May 08, 2012 08:53 AM (g4NO6)

9 >> Instapundit talks about a certain kind of psychological trick the mind plays on you.

That's a Michael Crichton thing. He dubbed it the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect.

Posted by: Andy at May 08, 2012 08:53 AM (5Rurq)

10 I don't see that Mitt has the Political Nutz to stand up be strongly in favor of enforcing current immigration law instead of offering some sort of compromise that will include some amnesty.

Posted by: NC Ref at May 08, 2012 08:54 AM (/izg2)

11 Hey, watch me snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!

Posted by: Marco Rubio at May 08, 2012 08:55 AM (eHIJJ)

12 Why wouldn't the knee-jerk response be, "Romney supports legal immigration for anyone who wants to come to America, learn English, learn civics and history, and take pride in achieving American Citizenship, with all of the freedoms and opportunities that come with it."

Is that so bad?

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at May 08, 2012 08:55 AM (niW49)

13 But then again, maybe he was doing what most people do: Running their mouths without any idea what they're talking about.

Isn't that like 90% of politics?

Posted by: eleven at May 08, 2012 08:56 AM (KXm42)

14 He is a she and she never bothered to look at Romney's website (which I tweeted to her and then she sent out a tweet with that link).

It's not that this one idiot is some mid-level flunky, it's that some people with actual responsibility picked her.

Posted by: DrewM. at May 08, 2012 08:57 AM (sPao2)

15 @2 Ditto. Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: Jordan at May 08, 2012 08:57 AM (WdFq3)

16 2 Uh, so WHAT IS Mitt's immigration policy? Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 08, 2012 12:50 PM (RD7QR) ------------- http://tinyurl.com/cobara8

Posted by: ... at May 08, 2012 08:58 AM (HOOye)

17 It is May. It is time for the campaigns to lay low and conserve cash. No sense in spending a bunch of money right now when people's minds can change 6 times between now and November.

I would rather see Romney lay low for a bit, formulate an "all out" strategy and come out with all guns blazing in August hitting Obama from every conceivable angle. How does saddling students with more debt help them? How does the current jobs situation help women and families? How does benefits programs going broke help those in need? Last estimate I heard was that SSDI (social security disability) has about 5 years left and will go broke in 2017. How is that helping anyone? With fewer people working, there are fewer people to tax.

Jobs helps everyone, black, hispanics, men, women, everyone. Heck, it even helps black hispanic native-american lesbian single mothers with HIV.

Posted by: crosspatch at May 08, 2012 08:58 AM (ZbLJZ)

18 THIS is a perfect example of why the GOP needs to read more blogs and listen less to their lobbyists friends. GOP is being fooled into thinking they need to pander to latinos and illegals. Gee, I wonder where they're getting this impression? From the cheap labor lobbyists and the immigration lobbyists -- neither of whom represent the concerns of the mainstream.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 08, 2012 08:59 AM (jUytm)

19 gd

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at May 08, 2012 08:59 AM (niW49)

20 Anyone else getting the Romney ad? Let's fight for the America we love. Romney for America. heh.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2012 08:59 AM (r2PLg)

21 But then again, maybe he was doing what most people do: Running their mouths without any idea what they're talking about. Yeah, probably.

Posted by: toby928© at May 08, 2012 08:59 AM (NG097)

How about the guy running the blogger outreach program? Any thoughts on if he/she knows what the hell they are doing?

Posted by: jwest at May 08, 2012 09:00 AM (ZDsRL)

23 If you're Hispanic Outreach guy to start with, what are the odds you are not a hack? a million to one?

Posted by: X at May 08, 2012 09:00 AM (KHo8t)

24 Here's the key bit from Romney's site, the bit that we should hold him to:

"Mitt Romney opposes amnesty because he believes that it acts as a magnet encouraging illegal immigration. The last amnesty law passed in 1986 granted legal status to 2.7 million illegal immigrants. In the decades since, the illegal immigrant population has quadrupled. Mitt believes that an amnesty should not be permitted to happen again. Illegal immigrants who apply for legal status should not be given any advantage over those who are following the law and waiting their turn. Mitt absolutely opposes any policy that would allow illegal immigrants to Â“cut in line."

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 08, 2012 09:00 AM (RD7QR)

25 http://2012.republican-candidates.org/ Romney/Immigration.php

Posted by: toby928© at May 08, 2012 09:01 AM (NG097)

26 Obama's position on gay marriage has for the last 4 years been that he's "evolving" on the issue, yet Romney has to have a detailed position on immigration before he's even nominated?

Let's make an easy-peasy prediction, shall we? If you're an immigration hardliner, you'll be disappointed. If you're an open borders advocate who wants blanket amnesty, you'll be disappointed.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 08, 2012 09:01 AM (SY2Kh)

27 But then again, maybe he was doing what most people do: Running their mouths without any idea what they're talking about.

Then again, maybe not. Awful lot of windage for something this ambiguous.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent (1/16 Potawatomi) at May 08, 2012 09:01 AM (PMGbu)

28 Soros paid me $100 mil to say that. Tomorrow I'll say something else. Freedom of speech and all that...

Posted by: .RNC National Hispanic Outreach Director at May 08, 2012 09:01 AM (HOOye)

29 If you don't support some amnesty, you hate conservatism.

Posted by: Karl Rove at May 08, 2012 09:01 AM (eHIJJ)

30 Hispanic outreach. Is that where the guy already in the pickup bed reaches out to help the next in?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 08, 2012 09:02 AM (tf9Ne)

31 based on this?

Posted by: ace at May 08, 2012 12:51 PM (nj1bB)

Not based on this, just been nagging at me for a long time. Why should it take him so long to decide what his thoughts on this issue are. Specific policies as how to handle the problem as President, yeah that takes time to prepare. But isn't this something he should have been prepared for?

RNC National Hispanic Outreach Director on Romney just now: "He's still deciding what his position on immigration is."

So it's apparently going to change from his position in 2008? Why?

Posted by: NC Ref at May 08, 2012 09:02 AM (/izg2)

32 Biden bailed this woman out with his "we were the problem" not Iran but it's not an auspicious start.

The problem isn't the flunky, it's Mitt's unreliability. It just fits the narrative to well.

The real challenge for Mitt will be when Rubio unveils his DREAM Act in the next few weeks.

Then the fun begins.

Thanks Marco!

Posted by: DrewM. at May 08, 2012 09:02 AM (sPao2)

Most people don't know how to say, "I don't know" so they wing it and babble like idiots.

They way you say "I don't know" is "Governor Romney looks forward to outlining his immigration policy in great detail during this campaign."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 08, 2012 09:03 AM (X9FKq)

34 This is worthy of a post? Listen, ANY professional politician, regardless of party, as President is going to try to make some deal on amnesty. ANY and EVERY single one of them. For a professional politician this is buying the Hispanic vote en bloc the way Johnson did the blacks with the Civil Rights act. The problem for these guys is the Hispanic vote has never been nor will ever be anywhere near as homogeneous as the black vote. It's a pipe dream.

In the end it doesn't matter anyway. No Republican will ever get enough votes for it out of his own party and joining the Democrats to do it means no sole credit. No Republican will even try this until his 2nd term and even then he will fail the same as Dubya did.

Would a President Romney sign a bill granting amnesty for "securing the border"? You bet your sweet ass he will. Luckily he'll never get the chance.

Posted by: Rocks at May 08, 2012 09:03 AM (Q1lie)

35 The real challenge for Mitt will be when Rubio unveils his DREAM Act in the next few weeks.

Then the fun begins.

Thanks Marco!

Posted by: DrewM. at May 08, 2012 01:02 PM (sPao2)

Marco isn't veep. Still time for Romney to advance a strong position on immigration.

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 08, 2012 09:03 AM (RD7QR)

36 26 http://2012.republican-candidates.org/ Romney/Immigration.php Posted by: toby928Â© at May 08, 2012 01:01 PM (NG097) ********** toby928 for the win--and almost disproved the whole thing under the 25 comment line.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2012 09:04 AM (r2PLg)

37 "DNC... been berra berra good... to me."

Posted by: Chico Escuela at May 08, 2012 09:05 AM (136wp)

38 Marco isn't veep. Still time for Romney to advance a strong position on immigration.

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 08, 2012 01:03 PM (RD7QR)

Romney is trial-ballooning selections.
This one has a couple of rips in the silk.

Posted by: jwb7605 at May 08, 2012 09:05 AM (Qxe/p)

39 Andy, thanks for that. Right, Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect. I'll put that into memory.

Posted by: ace at May 08, 2012 09:06 AM (nj1bB)

40 Most people don't know how to say, "I don't know" so they wing it and babble like idiots

EoJ,

The problem is..she's supposed to know. It's all on Romney's website. I don't blame him for this. The problem is there are a lot of people who don't believe what Mitt says or puts on his website because....well, we've been down that road.

The problem is the perception that she knows something, that what Mitt's been saying was bait for the boobs (or bigots) and his "real" policy will come out soon.

That maybe unfair to him but it's reality.

Posted by: DrewM. at May 08, 2012 09:06 AM (sPao2)

41 24 If I eat at Taco Bell, can I consider myself 1/32 hispanic? If you eat at Taco Bell, you can consider yourself 31/32 stupid. Posted by: chemjeff at May 08, 2012 01:00 PM (7FadD) And your colon will hate you for days....

Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 08, 2012 09:07 AM (136wp)

42 >>> But isn't this something he should have been prepared for? What? Did you even consider my post? Why are you assuming this guy, who is not with Romney but the RNC, knows what he's talking about? You're making the very assumption that makes no sense. There is no valid reason to assume that people are competent.

Posted by: ace at May 08, 2012 09:07 AM (nj1bB)

43 Democrats say that the angry, anti-austerity elections this week that saw voters throw out reform-minded French and Greek leaders could be good news for them, a signal that their plan to spend billions more than the Republicans is a vote winner. Those elections Â“confirm the position that many of us have taken, which is the most important thing right now is to sustain and nurture the very fragile economy,Â” said Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., the ranking member of the House Budget Committee. yeah right great idea. follow europe down the shit hole and while we're at it why not open up our borders like europe has and flush our future away even faster. venderbar

Posted by: nevergiveup at May 08, 2012 09:07 AM (i6RpT)

44 "GOP is being fooled into thinking they need to pander to latinos and illegals. "

They want the Big Biz bucks, sweetheart.

Posted by: jeanne...meh at May 08, 2012 09:08 AM (GdalM)

45 1 This is why I'm so scared of Romney. He's going to cave on this issue, I'm sure. Not that I won't vote for him anyways, but once again, I'll be not happy about who gets my vote for President. Posted by: NC Ref at May 08, 2012 12:50 PM (/izg2) According to this post there is a better than 50% chance that you don't know what you are talking about.

Posted by: Whores, Hermaphrodites, and Lickspittles at May 08, 2012 09:09 AM (cYMja)

46 It is time for the campaigns to lay low and conserve cash. No sense in spending a bunch of money right now when people's minds can change 6 times between now and November. Romney can still burn Primary Campaign cash until the convention.

Posted by: toby928© at May 08, 2012 09:09 AM (NG097)

47 >>>Not based on this, just been nagging at me for a long time. Why should it take him so long to decide what his thoughts on this issue are. Specific policies as how to handle the problem as President, yeah that takes time to prepare. But isn't this something he should have been prepared for?

But dude, HE HAS LAID OUT HIS POLICY. It's not as if he's a blank slate on this. Check his website -- the position is *right there*. Or alternately, you could have listened to any one of the approximately 4,000,000 debates during the primary seasons. Remember Mitt getting mocked for the idea of "self-deportation" (which, of course, turns out to have been exactly right), or his back-and-forth with Gingrich about 'community boards' and Romney's insistence on E-Verify? C'mon, you're doing exactly what Ace said: you're erasing Romney's countless specific policy positions on this stuff in order to fortify a pre-set narrative in your head of him "lacking a core." You even admit it when you say it's "been nagging at you" for a long time...which means that because you're viewing him constantly through this lens, all the information which doesn't fit the narrative is simply shorn away as if it never happened.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 08, 2012 09:09 AM (xAJql)

48 Outreach girl? A hotdog and a handjob?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 08, 2012 09:10 AM (AWmfW)

49 Sometimes you over think things. Most of us know this is nothing more then political posturing. And many of us don't trust Romney to do the right thing on illegals on his own anyways. So very few of us are paying any attention to meaningless fluff like this from the "National Hispanic Outreach Director". And why does the RNC have a "National Hispanic Outreach Director"? Is there a "National Black Folk Outreach Director" as well?

Posted by: NotCoach at May 08, 2012 09:10 AM (XykUh)

50 There is no valid reason to assume that people are competent.

lol yeah no doubt. My bad.

Posted by: NC Ref at May 08, 2012 09:11 AM (/izg2)

51 I agree, for the most part people don't know WTF they're doing.

I have a similar theory's, that people think their own company/employer is incompetent, chaotic, fatally dysfunctional, but the competition all have their shit together. Or some other employer won't seem just as dysfunctional once you are working there awhile.

Posted by: jeanne...meh at May 08, 2012 09:11 AM (GdalM)

52 Is there a "National Black Folk Outreach Director" as well? Posted by: NotCoach at May 08, 2012 01:10 PM (XykUh) Mr. 666? Or is his outreach only to the white women?

Posted by: nevergiveup at May 08, 2012 09:11 AM (i6RpT)

53 alot of people think there pretty good at there job but most are idiots

about tell you that the fondue restrant is a good investmant or guy

enzyte pill company total garbige rip off most people got to

pretty care full becase of a lot of idiots trying to ripping off all the time

#JusticeForTurlington

Posted by: Jose Canseco's Gristle Encased Head at May 08, 2012 09:12 AM (+lsX1)

54
Thanks Marco!

Posted by: DrewM. at May 08, 2012 01:02 PM (sPao2)

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Rubio has danced all around the 'heartlessness' of denying special benefits for the children of illegals. ....It's like he was in a cave somewhere, and didn't notice how toxic this was when Perry tried to explain an even milder version of it.

I don't even want to hear about Rubio anymore as a potential VP pick.

Posted by: wheatie at May 08, 2012 09:13 AM (g4NO6)

55 re 25 joncelli -- Actually the 'no cutting in line' argument is a strong one. Every American should have strong feelings about this in their personal life, The more lines you stand in, the stronger the feeling is my guess.

So that's a good way to frame the amnesty debate.

PS I HATE standing in line, and will kick your ass if you cut into my line.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 08, 2012 09:13 AM (ccXZP)

56 Yeah, Romney has a pretty strong statement on immigration. I can get behind it. Some have expressed worry that he will bail on it, but hey, let's not do the Democrats' work for them, OK? We don't have to wonder what his stance is. He outlines it clearly on his website. If he bails on it, let's deal with that then. Until then, we can say that his position on this is clear, and that some guy who says that Romney's still working out his position clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. Romney states his position very clearly.

Posted by: Matt from CO at May 08, 2012 09:13 AM (lP1Nw)

57 "RNC National Hispanic Outreach Director" Where's the Conservatives Who Think Romney's a Candle in the Wind or Weather Vane on any Policy and Even If he says the Right Stuff, How Do We Know He Won't EtchaSketch to Some Other Position Once He's Elected Director? Seems they've got more votes and most all of them can legally do so.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 08, 2012 09:14 AM (CP+yl)

58 I don't know. I think his new ad is effective.

http://onion.com/JZCKNe

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 08, 2012 09:14 AM (piMMO)

59 Mama mia!

Posted by: national italian outreach director at May 08, 2012 09:15 AM (wCO3P)

60 Not sure why the RNC needs to waste $$ on even 1 diversity hack...Spend it on ads, fagawdssake...

Posted by: jewishodysseus at May 08, 2012 09:16 AM (/T2In)

61 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 08, 2012 09:18 AM (8y9MW)

62 But dude, HE HAS LAID OUT HIS POLICY.

Yes I know, but hearing someone from the RNC say that it may be changing kinda freaked me out. Like ace said, my fault for assuming competence.

Posted by: NC Ref at May 08, 2012 09:18 AM (/izg2)

63 How about some 'Conservative Outreach' at this point?

Posted by: wheatie at May 08, 2012 09:19 AM (g4NO6)

The problem is the perception that she knows something, that what Mitt's been saying was bait for the boobs (or bigots) and his "real" policy will come out soon.<<<

Precisely. That's why deferring clarification on that question was the smart play. She made the dumb play, giving the Dems a soundbite.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 08, 2012 09:21 AM (X9FKq)

65 Actually, I think the reason people are freaking out over it is that Romney hasn't said, "Who?" about the statement.

Just that simple statement, (translates to) "I have no idea who you're talking about or what they said. It's safe to assume they're not speaking for me. Even if they happened to get my stance right, which seems not to be the case, it would be because of coincidence, not because they're speaking for me," would completely change the tone.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 08, 2012 09:22 AM (8y9MW)

66 How about an outreach to Americans and only Americans

Posted by: nevergiveup at May 08, 2012 09:22 AM (i6RpT)

67 Rubio has danced all around the 'heartlessness' of denying special benefits for the children of illegals. ....It's like he was in a cave somewhere, and didn't notice how toxic this was when Perrytried to explainan even milder version of it.

Meh. I'm anti-amnesty, but the Rubio plan as described isn't something I'm getting too worked up about.

The numbers affected would be small, and it's not a completely illegitimate point that those brought over illegally as young kids by their parents are in a sense victims- they had no say in the matter and likely have little or no ties to their country of origin after growing up here.

Note that his plan wouldn't give them automatic citizenship, just a work visa. I'd have to see the details before making judgement though.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 08, 2012 09:23 AM (SY2Kh)

68 And why does the RNC have a "National Hispanic Outreach Director"? Is there a "National Black Folk Outreach Director" as well?

I need a job, National Fat beige guy who doesn't give reacharounds director sounds good.

Posted by: DaveA at May 08, 2012 09:25 AM (ZYrSB)

69 I'd interperate the RNC guy's comment as "we've got a position that we're going to try to get Romney to go along with, but so far he's told us to F-off."

Posted by: Optimizer at May 08, 2012 09:26 AM (As94z)

70 MorÃ© importantly, can he pull off the Mexican Card?

Posted by: Avi at May 08, 2012 09:26 AM (Gx3Fe)

71 I'd interperate the RNC guy's comment as "we've got a position that we're going to try to get Romney to go along with, but so far he's told us to F-off."

That would endear many of us to Romney, if true.

Posted by: jwb7605 at May 08, 2012 09:27 AM (Qxe/p)

72 In my experience the percentage of the top people, meaning the people who actually understand and know what they're doing, is about 5%. The next level down is the "promising". They're about 10%. They're the people who can follow instructions and do a particular task with minimal follow up. About half of those people will work their way up to the top if they have ambition. The other half are perfectly happy doing what they do and can be relied on to take up the slack caused by the next level down. They're the "worker bees". The worker bee's need written job aids to follow for any task they do, but they can do them and they make the place run. They can't handle anything that is out of the ordinary because they don't really have the first fucking clue what they're doing, so they can't deviate from the written instructions. But the worker bee's are perfectly happy doing the mundane tasks the smarter people are bored by. They're also the first people who tend to get laid off these days, which causes management to expect the top people to take up the slack for, which really causes the top people to quit.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at May 08, 2012 09:28 AM (4zKCA)

73 Hollowpoint, may I draw your attention to the following topics: Foot in the door. Slippery slope. Rewarding oulaws. Turning our backs on those who did it legally. The reduction of illegals due to a slow economy. (turns out the buggers weren't here to create a new life after all they were just here for the money.) Our immigration policy should mirror that of the Republic (but I use that term loosely) to the South; Mexico. No amnesty, no illegal entry or residence, no se puede.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 08, 2012 09:28 AM (CP+yl)

74 This should be an easy fix for Mitt - just come out and say your position is as stated. Problem solved.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 08, 2012 09:28 AM (DRG6e)

75 An Outreach Director's the same thing as a ward-heeler, yes?

Posted by: toby928© at May 08, 2012 09:28 AM (NG097)

76 just come out and say your position is as stated. Problem solved. Or put it on your campaign website. Oh .. wait.

Posted by: toby928© at May 08, 2012 09:29 AM (NG097)

77 An Outreach Director's the same thing as a ward-heeler, yes? It's called "Plausible Deniability".

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 08, 2012 09:33 AM (CP+yl)

78 Let me state Romney's Immigration policy: Win New Mexico without losing Florida

Posted by: Jean at May 08, 2012 09:38 AM (WkuV6)

79 Note that his plan wouldn't give them automatic citizenship, just a work visa. I'd have to see the details before making judgement though.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 08, 2012 01:23 PM (SY2Kh)

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He [Rubio] gave some specific details on FoxNewsSunday, a couple of days ago. ....But he also contradicted himself....saying that his plan was to simply "use the existing Laws", but then he went on to talk about the 'work visa' for children of illegals.

Work Visa = Green Card. ....So, the children of illegals would essentially get to 'break in line' ahead of all the other people who are trying to do it legally.

Rubio kept saying that he didn't want to create incentives for people to come here illegally. ....But then, he went on to talk about the things he was in favor of doing.....which would actually be incentives.

Posted by: wheatie at May 08, 2012 09:39 AM (g4NO6)

80 Let me state Romney's Immigration policy: Fool the whites into voting for him while fooling the browns into voting for him.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 08, 2012 09:40 AM (CP+yl)

81 Or put it on your campaign website. Oh .. wait. Posted by: toby928Â© at May 08, 2012 01:29 PM ___________________________________________ There's this guy who currently takes up space in the WH and claims to be against gay marriage. Does nayone believe his "stated" position? Sorry, with politicians stated positions are not enough. Romney needs to be strong armed to stay the proper course (or at the very least, the no amnesty course) by the rest of us. Otherwise he will go all McCain on us.

Posted by: NotCoach at May 08, 2012 09:40 AM (XykUh)

82 Personally, I think Romney's Immigration policy is in flux until he decides whether or not to bring Rubio on board as VP.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 08, 2012 09:41 AM (CP+yl)

83 Mentally divide everyone you know into "outright incompetent," "semi-competent," "competent but limited and just hanging on," "actually completely competent" and "very competent."

What percentage of the people you work with (or hear about from others) are in the last two categories? 40%? 50%, if you're lucky?

Gee, that's how I see the universe of voters; 50% competent at best, 40% at worst. Makes me fear for the future--bring on the 52% Obama voters again.

Posted by: Hrothgar at May 08, 2012 09:46 AM (i3+c5)

84 Hollowpoint, may I draw your attention to the following topics:

Yeah, yeah- I know all the arguments and slogans.

First priority needs to be securing the border and making it difficult for them to live and work here so they don't have an incentive to come illegally in the first place.

However, the reality is that we paid for their education and other services and they had no choice in the matter. There's room in the immigration debate for a little mercy for those who are victims of the actions of their parents.

I doubt Rubio wants to offer blanket amnesty for any kid that managed to get dragged across the border. Again, the numbers would be pretty low- as I understand it, only those living long term in the US after being brought here as kids would be affected.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 08, 2012 09:48 AM (SY2Kh)

85

RNC National Hispanic Outreach Coordinator Bettina Inclan

..is kinda cute.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 08, 2012 09:55 AM (kdS6q)

86
Walkback -- or in this case tweetback:

Bettina Inclan Ã¢Â€Â @BettinaInclan
I misspoke, Romney's position on immigration is clear http://mi.tt/KiMi3x

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 08, 2012 09:59 AM (kdS6q)

87 Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 08, 2012 01:23 PM (SY2Kh)

How can Romney support Rubio's DREAM Act after running on his veto of a MA DREAM Act and killing Perry with it?

Posted by: DrewM. at May 08, 2012 10:00 AM (sPao2)

88 RNC National Hispanic Outreach Coordinator Bettina Inclan ..is kinda cute. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 08, 2012 01:55 PM ________________________________________ Now if she only had a real job...making me sammiches.

Posted by: NotCoach at May 08, 2012 10:02 AM (XykUh)

89 No amnesty, no illegal entry or residence, no se puede.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 08, 2012 01:28 PM (CP+yl)

But the FIRST thing we need to do, is get rid of Dual Citizenship.

For the vast majority of the history of the Republic, Dual Citizenship was not legal... you were an American, or somthing else... we need to go back to that.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 08, 2012 10:14 AM (lZBBB)

If the RNC were a source of real political power you would have really politically powerful people fighting to chair it and work there. Same with the DNC.

Now look at the people who end up chairing the RNC and the DNC, and my reaction is "Who?" If the name of the chair causes me, who is interested in politics, to say "Who?" then is the staff going to be any better?

Example: If there was real power in the DNC who would be chair? Nancy Pelosi or Debbie What'sHerName-Schultz?

Posted by: Mikey NTH at May 08, 2012 10:26 AM (hLRSq)

91 Why didn't they just ask "Dora the Explorer"?

They would have gotten a better answer.

Posted by: Exile at May 08, 2012 10:29 AM (O0lVq)

92 http://www.mittromney.com/issues/immigration has a complete detailed position on immigration. It has enough details so that his position is conservative, better than Rick Perry's, and as strong as any conservative position. Will he keep to his promises? Well, this web page is his written statement of how he stands. It is as much of a pledge as the Norquist no-tax pledge. If some underling has been put up with some sort of backtracking, that would be bad, but I can see that Mitt is for now, in writing, exactly where I would hope him to be...

Posted by: Keating Willcox at May 08, 2012 11:45 AM (zsyG/)

93 Late to the thread, but did anyone point out that a a couple of weeks ago when Rubio's DREAM Act thing was getting a lot of media coverage, Romney himself said that he would consider all GOP proposals on immigration. So I don't think this spin that this RNC official is talking out the side of his hat is very honest.

Posted by: Y-not at May 08, 2012 01:36 PM (5H6zj)

94 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at May 08, 2012 02:30 PM (7W3wI)

Or maybe, Romney has claimed to be severely conservative on border enforcement with the voters while telling high money campaign donors:

"Romney said the GOP must offer its own policies to woo Hispanics, including a "Republican DREAM Act," referring to the legislative proposal favored by Democrats that would offer illegal immigrants a limited path to citizenship, to give Hispanic voters a real choice between parties."

Romney is playing both sides. At least he's not going to come in my mouth.

Posted by: Sad Dad at May 08, 2012 06:44 PM (MNWe/)

God, the formatting here hurts my eyes. Take two:

Or maybe, Romney has claimed to be severely conservative on border enforcement with the voters while telling high money campaign donors:

Romney is playing both sides. At least he's not going to come in my mouth.

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