January 22, 2012

Romney to release Tax Records [krakatoa]
— Open Blogger

Admitting it was a tactical error, (and as Cap'n Ed translates, tired of losing debates in part due to this strange reluctance), Romney will release his 2010 & 2011 tax returns on Tuesday.

“I think we made a mistake holding off as long as we did,” Romney said in an interview on Fox News Sunday. “It was a distraction. We want to get back to the real issues of the campaign.”

Also admitting that losing by 12 points to Gingrich in SC was a "setback", he promises to right the ship and come back stronger.

Personally, and though I hold deep reservations for all the obvious reasons, I prefer Gingrich over Romney. Adversity should make candidates stronger however, and if Romney can win the nomination by refocusing on issues and firmly making the commitments to Conservative values that Gingrich has, I'll feel more comfortable pulling the lever for Romney should he gain the nomination.

This is one of the purposes of the primaries: Eliciting promises from those who would have our vote and govern in our voice.

Updated to add this from supercore23, who makes a great point in the comments:

It may be just me but both Romney and Gingrich seem to perfectly embody Friedman's idea of "make it politically profitable for the wrong people do the right things".

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1 romney is a pussy

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 22, 2012 06:27 AM (Ho2rs)

2 It may be just me but both Romney and Gingrich seem to perfectly embody Friedman's idea of "make it politically profitable for the wrong people do the right things". Might just be me though.

Posted by: supercore23 at January 22, 2012 06:28 AM (ZUFNn)

3 the president is a scoamf

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 22, 2012 06:28 AM (Ho2rs)

4 ...and we are screwed

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 22, 2012 06:28 AM (Ho2rs)

5 watching Chris Christie on MTP, damn that guy is good, quick on his feet and just steamrolls David Gregory

Posted by: Jose at January 22, 2012 06:29 AM (srIqv)

6 Relevant quote: "I do not believe that the solution to our problem is simply to elect the right people. The important thing is to establish a political climate of opinion which will make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing. Unless it is politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing, the right people will not do the right thing either, or it they try, they will shortly be out of office."

Posted by: supercore23 at January 22, 2012 06:29 AM (ZUFNn)

7

<i>romney is a pussy</i>

True, but he is a well behaved, pure fidelity, conventional thinking pussy. Between Newt's willingness to embrace the Man-Made-Global-Warming hoax and all the skeletons in his closet, Newt is bad news.

I am hoping for Santorum to do well enough to make Mitt move rightward and pick a rightward running mate.

 

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 22, 2012 06:31 AM (w7K7d)

8 Great point, supercore

Posted by: krakatoa at January 22, 2012 06:33 AM (fFZ12)

9 ESPN now reporting along with AP confirmation from Joe Paterno's family that he has died.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 22, 2012 06:35 AM (7utQ2)

10 You people dont even see what's happenning here. hint: marionettes, the left wing

Posted by: soothie at January 22, 2012 06:36 AM (xIzGn)

11 The fact that this is an issue...

Posted by: soothie at January 22, 2012 06:37 AM (ZgBZU)

12 Karina is totally off the wall.  And everyone on snuffleupagus eats it up.  She talks about crony capitalism like it's a republican thing. 

Can't find Fox News Sunday.  When was it on?

Posted by: ambrosia at January 22, 2012 06:41 AM (oZfic)

13 Romney should've release 2010's returns the day he formally announced. It's bullshit gamesmanship that makes it necessary, but that's politics for you.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 22, 2012 06:41 AM (hiMsy)

14 >>> It may be just me but both Romney and Gingrich seem to perfectly embody Friedman's idea of "make it politically profitable for the wrong people do the right things". I don't count on Romney doing the right thing and fully expect that if he is elected for him to fall back on his left, statist instincts/preferences.

Posted by: gm at January 22, 2012 06:42 AM (K0tm3)

15 Chris Christie on Meet the depressed.  Follows Gingrich who spoke well.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 22, 2012 06:43 AM (oZfic)

16 >>> conventional thinking Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 22, 2012 10:31 AM (w7K7d) That's some quality wishcasting right there.

Posted by: gm at January 22, 2012 06:44 AM (K0tm3)

17 I don't count on Romney doing the right thing and fully expect that if he is elected for him to fall back on his left, statist instincts/preferences. Yeah, I agree. At least he's making the right noises though. If he didn't have the history of flipping I'd vote for him next week. As it is though, Newt's going to have to get it.

Posted by: supercore23 at January 22, 2012 06:47 AM (ZUFNn)

18 Anyway, more importantly... I'm at McDonalds right now waiting for 11 oclock to arrive so I can get my McRibs. 2for1.

Posted by: soothie at January 22, 2012 06:48 AM (j7IJ7)

19 brb, goin inside now

Posted by: soothie at January 22, 2012 06:49 AM (YO+5B)

20 Breaking news: Marrianne Gingrich, Jen Rubin and Ann Coulter to form new PAC: BSFR-Bitter Shrews for Romney.

Posted by: dananjcon at January 22, 2012 06:51 AM (OXi3E)

21 Win gaaaaaaames!

Posted by: Zombie Joe Paterno at January 22, 2012 06:52 AM (KulgD)

22 romney is going to bend to the press at every turn......he's a pussy

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 22, 2012 06:54 AM (Ho2rs)

23 Now Newt is the inevitable one.  Ok.  Whoever wins the repuke primaries gets my vote for the general election, unless it's Luap Nor.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 22, 2012 06:54 AM (jucos)

24 2012 GOP choices? Jersey liquor stores open in one hour and four minutes.

Posted by: BP in Corrupt NJ at January 22, 2012 06:55 AM (j84s0)

25 19 Anyway, more importantly... I'm at McDonalds rightnowwaiting for11oclocktoarrive so I can get my McRibs. 2for1. Posted by: soothie at January 22, 2012 10:48 AM (j7IJ7) Grab a double quarter pounder w/cheese.

Posted by: dananjcon at January 22, 2012 06:55 AM (OXi3E)

26 Cover ... up .... Sandusky rape traiiiiiiiiiin!

Posted by: Zombie Joe Paterno at January 22, 2012 06:56 AM (KulgD)

27 This seems relevant here....

If you want to blame anyone for Mitt's predicament I would suggest the congressional GOP. The base got all fired up and provided the GOP w/a big win in 2010 and they have been steadily pissing it away because they are afraid to fight. Whatever his other faults Newt seems prepared to brawl and Mitt doesn't. It looks like a vote for Mitt is a vote for Boehner style "go along to get along" leadership. That is Mitt's big problem and it is up to him to do something about it.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living.... at January 22, 2012 06:56 AM (5Wj1Y)

28 Marianne Gingrich helped Noot out in SC.  The bitter old hag comes out and complains about Calista doing to her what she did to wife number 1.  Whatever.  I don't buy that Noot is not electable.  He is, only if he is up against SCOAMF.  We live in interesting times.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 22, 2012 06:57 AM (jucos)

29

<i>"conventional thinking

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 22, 2012 10:31 AM (w7K7d)

That's some quality wishcasting right there."</i>

Gee, I don't recall Mitt Cozying up to Nancy Pinko Pelosi, do you?

I know Mitt's a RINO, but he is a malleable RINO. So they say that Romney has flip-flopped? Which is another way of saying that conservatives can bully Romney into being conservative but can't bully Newt, who will go his wonky way if it suits Newt. Advantage: Romney.

"Now say "border wall",' Romney. Say it. Nope, louder. I said, LOUDER. Good. Now tell me again that you're opposed to global warming regulations. Good, but this time without whimpering. Heh. You can go make me a sandwich now."

All that said, I'm still voting Santorum (although by the time the primary gets my way out west, it won't matter. :-(

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 22, 2012 06:57 AM (w7K7d)

30 If Mitt stilled lived in MA his tax filings would have to contain proof that he had medical insurance, or he would be punished.

Posted by: eman at January 22, 2012 06:57 AM (3VSsp)

31 Chris Christie isn't closing the door on the Vice Presidency.

Wonder if they can get him not to close the door on the Presidency.


Posted by: ambrosia at January 22, 2012 06:58 AM (oZfic)

Posted by: Jose at January 22, 2012 06:59 AM (srIqv)

33 Mitt to release his tax records, but we still don't know if SCOAMF received foreign aid as a college student.

Mitt ought to say I'll release mine when he releases his transcripts or I'll have them sealed just like 0bama's long form..
/a boy can dream

Posted by: Willy at January 22, 2012 06:59 AM (ooyyD)

34 phoenixgirl summed it up better than I did.....

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living.... at January 22, 2012 07:00 AM (5Wj1Y)

35 The Magic Mitt Romney Words of Election Victory 2012: "The individual mandate is a bad idea and I'm sorry that I signed it into law." That'd make me rethink my primary vote real fast.

Posted by: supercore23 at January 22, 2012 07:00 AM (ZUFNn)

36 Even if Newt is not ideal, the outcome in SC is a good thing, it will force Romney to sink or swim early.

And if he sinks, maybe the big wigs will get behind a more viable conservative candidate (Daniels/Jindal or someone else). They certainly won't lay down and fall in line behind Newt. Christie was already poisoning the well on MTP this morning in that regard.

Posted by: Jose at January 22, 2012 07:01 AM (srIqv)

37

Newt's victory speech last night was great. He actually mention two words I never thought I'd hear from anyone on a national stage: Saul Alinsky. And then he tied them directly to the SCOAMF and his governing philosophy.

Newt's got balls, ya gotta give him that. He's saying out loud what an awful lot of people are thinking. If he keeps this up, he might keep my Creeping Curmudgeonism staved off for a while.

Maybe.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, CEO Curmudgeons INC. at January 22, 2012 07:01 AM (d0Tfm)

38

<i> If you want to blame anyone for Mitt's predicament I would suggest the congressional GOP. The base got all fired up and provided the GOP w/a big win in 2010 and they have been steadily pissing it away because they are afraid to fight. Whatever his other faults Newt seems prepared to brawl and Mitt doesn't. </i>

THIS. Newt's win in SC makes much more sense. He faced down the Demunist Media and told them to get fucked.

But I still worry about the remaining dozen skeletons in Newt's closet that the Media Apparatchiks are just waiting to release.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 22, 2012 07:02 AM (w7K7d)

39

<i> my Creeping Curmudgeonism </i>

Hey! Nothing wrong with that..... :-)

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 22, 2012 07:03 AM (w7K7d)

40 Newt's response to John King the other night is as close to "Fuck you next question..." as you are ever going to get from a professional politician.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living.... at January 22, 2012 07:04 AM (5Wj1Y)

41 Avoid ... anal rape ... blaaaaaaaaaaaame!

Posted by: Zombie Joe Paterno at January 22, 2012 07:05 AM (KulgD)

42 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, CEO Curmudgeons INC. at January 22, 2012 11:01 AM (d0Tfm)

he was asked about this on meet the depressed.  He did very well.

Can you add Mika from Morning Joe to the Mittens pac?

Posted by: ambrosia at January 22, 2012 07:05 AM (oZfic)

43 Listen up, pukes, as a red meat conservative the most important thing in this primary is that I get my share of red meat, dammit. I don't care whether Obama gets another four years in office. I just want to be angry. Red meat! Fight! No middle ground! Hell, if I'm not foaming at the mouth and howling like a rabid dog then you're not getting through to me. Mostly because I have no serious education, I haven't held a job in over a decade and, well, let's face it, I'm not exactly the brightest bulb in the display case. What Rush Limbaugh said. I want this primary contest to get nastier and meaner. I want blood. I want fistfights at the convention. I want to destroy the establishment. We need to tear Obama apart. Everyone in my immediate family hates that man. We need to bash him. We need to bash the media. We need to fight!!!! What Michelle Malkin said. Ultimately I'll still be voting for Obama in November, to prove my point and to clear the way for St. Sarah of the Snowjob. Until then, punks, I see a red state and I want to paint it blood blue.

Posted by: Totally Irrational Political Malcontent at January 22, 2012 07:07 AM (r2PLg)

44

Not a fan of Romney, Massachusetts liberals, Northeast liberal Republicans (Including Christie) are not the answer. Statist, compromising, twisting in the wind on the results of polls....

Gingrich, however, is a really smart, too clever by half, intellectual who puts himself routinely in the worst situation possible. He can manuever poorly even when he is right (The Clinton era .gov shutdowns) and he tends to blow himself and his causes up by his own actions and words.

The other choices really don't bear thinking on. Social Cons are probably correct, but we have to take as much away from the left as possible and they alienate too many. And although I am more libertarian than republican, we do not live in a perfecet world and bad people don't just go away if we ignore them.

So Romney or Gingrich, given the choice: Hope for the best and vote Newt.

  

Posted by: Jno Aubrey at January 22, 2012 07:07 AM (c8mH3)

45 Joe Scarborough on Meet the Depressed pretending to be one of you guys, a conservative.   He's on the mittens train.  His job, bash Newt and make sure he is labeled a "non conservative".

Posted by: ambrosia at January 22, 2012 07:09 AM (oZfic)

46 In line with supercore's comment, Romney in his SC concession speech stated unequivocally that he would repeal OCare. Now I have doubts that he can do that personally; it seems to me he will need Congressional help on this.
 
But it is a step in the right direction. He cannot hide behind weasel words later on this issue if he wins. It must be done.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 22, 2012 07:09 AM (BhuDE)

47 The basic thing that Romney has shown is that he will do what he has to, to get  along. Brave Sir Mittens, will run away, if he's allowed to. He appears to be a stranger to courage. Remember the Mittness Protection Program? The base hasn't forgotten that yet.

Posted by: bigmike at January 22, 2012 07:10 AM (nNdoe)

48 Die before having to explaaaaaaaain!

Posted by: Zombie Joe Paterno at January 22, 2012 07:11 AM (KulgD)

49

In this unretouched version of Republican Wars, Newt Solo shoots first.

(*waves hand* This is not the Romneybot you're looking for...)

Posted by: Warthog at January 22, 2012 07:12 AM (ZL8Ru)

50

Mitt Romney: Constant as the North Star

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 22, 2012 07:13 AM (3wBRE)

51 But it is a step in the right direction. He cannot hide behind weasel words later on this issue if he wins. It must be done. I agree but he still needs to man up and say, "Yeah guys, I made a mistake". I think Newt gets a lot of leeway because when he's wrong he's willing to admit it. I just wish he didn't have so much to admit he was wrong about...

Posted by: supercore23 at January 22, 2012 07:13 AM (ZUFNn)

52 Personally, and though I hold deep reservations for all the obvious reasons, I prefer Gingrich over Romney.

Romney will jump back in the lead unless he truly screws the pooch. He has nothing but blue and purple States coming up until Super Tuesday. The non-establishment is looking out for him.

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2012 07:14 AM (YdQQY)

53 36
If the new Newt can turn Alinsky's rules around on the opponent and knock the left back on its heels -- and I see two examples lately; calling out the press and referring to Obama as the 'Food Stamp President' -- then he has a very good chance of waking the nation out of its slow-socialist-slide and having the referendum this nation desperately needs if it is to survive.

One method to use against Alinskyites is their own Alinsky rules against them.

Consider 4 and 5:

Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

Rule 5: Ridicule is manÂ’s most potent weapon. ItÂ’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.


Lefties get po'd when they get hammered with their own crap.


Posted by: Willy at January 22, 2012 07:14 AM (ooyyD)

54

Dear Mitt Romney,
Outdated PolitiBots like you who cannot think for themselves and constantly rely on polling-committees for not-so-well-rehearsed script lines are doomed to failÂ…no matter how many dollaÂ…errÂ…I meanÂ…batteries are stuffed up your backside.

But, go on, buy all the dirty smear ad spots you can, because you are incapable of convincing anyone you mean a thing you say.  You even come off sounding guilty of your wealth.  So much for all that Massachusetts influence!
 
Pity that your “inevitable” slogan, which was on the tip of all your advertisersÂ’ tongues, sank like a lead balloon among those tested.  I guess they just havenÂ’t been fed the proper amount of propaganda. Silly, how some people believe they should think for themselves.
 
Be nice, and you still might get an invitation to GingrichÂ’s innauguration.

Posted by: Ed Wallis at January 22, 2012 07:16 AM (yM/Cz)

55 Not too thrilled about the "inevitability" of Jeb Bush.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 22, 2012 07:18 AM (oZfic)

56 I would like to have a nickel for every use of the word "erratic" when attached to Newt in the past few days and in the coming weeks.

Accurate or not, fair or unfair, it may be the single most obvious example of a talking points meme in the MFM in quite some time.
The nickels that would have rolled in in the last 36 hours would fund a comfortable retirement.

I say a talking head fool on a CBS morning show try to use the word in a phrase 3 times in a row while interviewing a Newt daughter.
I was waiting for her to tell the mindless nitwit to try a fucking thesaurus.

The MFM is the mortal enemy of individual rights and freedoms and a Newt  candidacy (about which I'm very ambivalent)  may highlight that once and for all in a way that is unmistakable for even the 52%er sheeple.
 

Posted by: ontherocks at January 22, 2012 07:21 AM (ZJCDy)

57 say=saw

Posted by: ontherocks at January 22, 2012 07:22 AM (ZJCDy)

58 So Joe Scarborough is the guy sent out to point out all the newt negatives and threaten the base with Favorite sons and jeb bush.

I don't know I sense that "the base" isn't interested in threats and isn't interested in getting in line and shutting up.

It will be interesting to see Sarah Palin and Rick Perry and Herman Cain and perhaps even Michelle Bachman become a thorn in the side of the likes of Scarborough and Christie.  

Posted by: ambrosia at January 22, 2012 07:22 AM (oZfic)

59 I agree that the MFM pukes ended up doing Newt a favor.  Newt got to say FYNQ -- Republican voters are starving for their politicians to stop trying to placate the media.  I'm still not a Newt fanboy but Willard just leaves me wondering what the f*ck he actually believes.  At least Newt is giving the low-information voters a stark contrast between his stated philosophy and that of the SCOAMF.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at January 22, 2012 07:22 AM (M0NzJ)

60 #55: Exactly Newt's personal problems are similar to Clinton's, and the Left's hypocrisy will be evident upon bringing them up. Also, I don't think regular voters will cozy up to that kind of critique during such a horrible economy, especially when Newt has shown the ability and willingness to counterattack by bringing up real issues in the face of fake issues. Romney's problems, however, play right into the Democrat narrative of class warfare, and up to now Romney has shown very little ability or desire to combat that narrative. oh sure, he does give a good speech, and I like a lot of things he says. But that's not enough to counter the Left's narrative.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 22, 2012 07:23 AM (Y5I9o)

61 Sniff...sniff...

Clean the kitty litter!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 22, 2012 07:26 AM (nEUpB)

62

But I still worry about the remaining dozen skeletons in Newt's closet that the Media Apparatchiks are just waiting to release.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 22, 2012 11:02 AM (w7K7d)

Watch and see what the media does with Romney's mormonism if he gets the nomination.  When the inner most beliefs of mormonism are aired for all to see, in addition to Romney's vast wealth, it won't be pretty.

Posted by: Havedash at January 22, 2012 07:26 AM (JfvbF)

63 Vic,

If you are still here...your link tho the Texas sauce place was broken. What is the name of the company?

Thanks.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 22, 2012 07:27 AM (nEUpB)

64

<i>Watch and see what the media does with Romney's mormonism if he gets the nomination. When the inner most beliefs of mormonism are aired for all to see, in addition to Romney's vast wealth, it won't be pretty. </i>

That actually has a greater risk of backfiring than attacks on Newt might backfire as posts #55 and #62 pointed out.

If the Commiecrats do stoop that low, however, it's time to run Jeremiah Wright 24/7.

 

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 22, 2012 07:30 AM (w7K7d)

65

Thursday night "I'll release my tax returns in April"

Sunday morning "I'll release my tax returns Tuesday"

 

Mitt sure changes his mind. Quickly. With the wind.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 22, 2012 07:31 AM (UjfAB)

66 supercore 23 is exactly right: This puts pressure on the other candidates to do the right thing, and to raise their game in other ways. The American public profits.

Posted by: ahem at January 22, 2012 07:35 AM (Z3f3L)

67 #66: "it's time to run Jeremiah Wright 24/7." I don't think that's such a good idea. Obama's record stinks, and we don't need to get into his identity background to say so. Identity politics always has a chance of backfiring, if you step too far over the line. That's not possible if you just hammer home the present state of affairs.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 22, 2012 07:35 AM (Y5I9o)

68 "Now say "border wall",' Romney. Say it. Nope, louder. I said, LOUDER. Good. Now tell me again that you're opposed to global warming regulations. Good, but this time without whimpering. Heh. You can go make me a sandwich now."

That sounds way too much like work. I want the guy who serves me the sandwich, on time, without being asked.

Posted by: The Black Republican at January 22, 2012 07:37 AM (aF97q)

69 he should not release them until obamas transcripts are released.

Posted by: avi at January 22, 2012 07:37 AM (iSFyV)

70

#69: I meant that if, and only if, the Commiecrats try to attack or mock Mitt's Mormonism, or Newt's late turn to Catholicism.

In other words, fight Left Identity Politics with Right Identity Politics. Newt's facing down the race-baiters over food stamps was a case in point.

 

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 22, 2012 07:38 AM (w7K7d)

71 If you are still here...your link tho the Texas sauce place was broken. What is the name of the company?

Thanks.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 22, 2012 11:27 AM (nEUpB)

I'm back. Friend from CA called.

Here it is again

TX place with good sauce

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2012 07:39 AM (YdQQY)

72

The name is New Braunfels Smokehouse

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2012 07:41 AM (YdQQY)

73

<i> That sounds way too much like work. I want the guy who serves me the sandwich, on time, without being asked. </i>

But is Newt really that guy?

As much as I enjoy Newt's telling the LibLeftMedia to go perform anatomical impossibilities on themselves, I just worry that Newt is even more alienating to the mushy middle than Rick Santorum allegedly is.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 22, 2012 07:44 AM (w7K7d)

74 #72 I don't think that Newt's point about food stamps was identity politics. It's an economic point about dependence upon the government.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 22, 2012 07:46 AM (Y5I9o)

75 Chuck Todd on Meet the Commies: "The piling on Newt, that's gonna be the easy part".
Helloooooo? Self Awareness Echo Chamber Police?

Anybody Home?

Posted by: ontherocks at January 22, 2012 07:47 AM (ZJCDy)

76

<i> "I don't think that Newt's point about food stamps was identity politics. It's an economic point about dependence upon the government." </i>

To the Left, same thing. Remember, we are "racists" for opposing the LeftWelfareState.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 22, 2012 07:49 AM (w7K7d)

77 he should not release them until obamas transcripts are released.

I kinda think this was the reason for his reluctance. He wanted to hold onto this for the general.

I hope it was the reason anyway.

And it would be a nice card to play in the general. Unfortunately for him, Gingrich is no Hillary nor McCain, and is willing to play hardball with his opponents.

Newt may be planning on using this strategy as well. He'll release the ethics report if Obama will release the transcripts.

Posted by: krakatoa at January 22, 2012 07:50 AM (fFZ12)

78 @78: To the Left, same thing. oh, ok. I see what you're saying. But still, it's important to distinguish between criticizing economic policies and criticizing past personal baggage. The latter is properly identity politics and the former isn't, despite the Left's crazy world where everything is identity politics.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 22, 2012 07:52 AM (Y5I9o)

79 Follow-up on #80: This is why "backfiring" happens. Someone treats a stupid identity issue as though it were something serious that the voters cared about in their actual lives. (Cf. Clinton sex scandal) [For the record, I realize that there's an important conservative point to be made about the moral probity of our leaders. But honestly, I think we passed that point a long time ago, at least for this election]

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 22, 2012 07:55 AM (Y5I9o)

80 I agree that Newt might not be "that guy". But I only have four choices right now, and I'm one of the lucky who vote in nine days. Among those four, I won't vote for suicide crazy, and I won't vote for pandering "electibility".  Of the remaining two, I can choose between righteous milquetoast and feisty erratic. I like feisty erratic.

Posted by: The Black Republican at January 22, 2012 07:55 AM (aF97q)

81 As much as I enjoy Newt's telling the LibLeftMedia to go perform anatomical impossibilities on themselves, I just worry that Newt is even more alienating to the mushy middle than Rick Santorum allegedly is. - curmudgeon

It is a worry. But what is striking to me, and resonates with many Newt supporters and many of the mushy middle I know (and many are friends who voted for Obama), is that Newt is able to clearly articulate the differences in policy between Obama's vision for America and, let's call it what it is, Reagan's vision.

Red meat is a bonus. But it isn't the primary reason for his support.

Watching Newt's victory speech, the only part that fell really fell flat for me was his rehash of "I'll let Obama use a teleprompter" joke. Red meat gets stale after a while.

Later though, when he made his remarks on energy, and particularly the vetoed pipeline from Canada, he  starkly draw the lines of distinction between not just Obama & Gingrich or Obama & Republicans, but the chasm that lies between Obama & and an America that wants to work.

Posted by: krakatoa at January 22, 2012 07:56 AM (fFZ12)

82 For the record, just in case it gets read wrong, I said "righteous", not "self-righteous". I'm a Catholic too, so I don't have a problem with that candidate in that particular area.

Btw, (real inside baseball here) I have to wonder among fellow Catholics if there's any difference between those who favor cradle vs. convert. Be interesting to find out.

Posted by: The Black Republican at January 22, 2012 08:00 AM (aF97q)

83 If Newt can keep it together long enough to open more eyes to the marxist propaganda machine that is almost all television reporters and the NYT and other liberal newspapers it will be a great thing.

Posted by: Palerider at January 22, 2012 08:01 AM (cQZV0)

84 #83But what is striking to me, and resonates with many Newt supporters and many of the mushy middle I know (and many are friends who voted for Obama), is that Newt is able to clearly articulate the differences in policy between Obama's vision for America and, let's call it what it is, Reagan's vision. Red meat is a bonus. But it isn't the primary reason for his support. That's exactly it. I understand why people think that Newt's media-bashing is just red meat, but it's not. People get the LIberal message 24'/7 in the passive form of tv shows, news, schools, music, movies, etc. Not only that, but Conservatives are often overtly portrayed as being dumb and having no arguments. Newt's willingness to combat that image, and to do so in an incisive and compelling way, cuts against it in a way that you really can't ignore.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 22, 2012 08:02 AM (Y5I9o)

85

#83 Point taken. I just wish Newt had Mitt's personal life. RINO or not, the guy is just THE squeaky clean social conservative candidate personally.

I will back either general election candidate to the hilt.

Heck, I will back "Luap Nor!" in the general election over the Obamunist. His foreign policy would be no worse than the Obamunists, and his domestic policies would be heavenly.

(When I first saw that anagram I wondered who he this Luap Nor guy was in the Vietnam War era, heh).

 

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 22, 2012 08:03 AM (w7K7d)

86 Point taken. I just wish Newt had Mitt's personal life. RINO or not, the guy is just THE squeaky clean social conservative candidate personally.

We had that with Perry but nobody liked his "debate".

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2012 08:05 AM (YdQQY)

87 #84 I have to wonder among fellow Catholics if there's any difference between those who favor cradle vs. convert. Be interesting to find out. I dunno. I've known a lot of cradle Catholics who are down-the-line Liberals, whereas a number of converts I know are solid Conservatives. If I had to identify trends, I'd say more converts are Conservative, but that's based only on my admittedly unrepresentative experience.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 22, 2012 08:06 AM (Y5I9o)

88 doesn't anyone in mitt camp see how horrible his statements are. "it was a mistake honding off blah blah blah " what mitt doesn't understand is even if you admit you held off too long you still have crap in your pants

Posted by: nick250 at January 22, 2012 08:09 AM (ih+6i)

89 "That's exactly it. I understand why people think that Newt's media-bashing is just red meat, but it's not. People get the LIberal message 24'/7 in the passive form of tv shows, news, schools, music, movies, etc. Not only that, but Conservatives are often overtly portrayed as being dumb and having no arguments." I tell my wife the same thing, but she thinks I am overreacting. When I listen to Rush/Sean?Levin on WABC, the news at the top of the hour is liberal propaganda with Ann Compton making orgasmic sounds about Obama. on music stations the same shit at the top of the hour. On the local ABC TV news that she listens to there is repeated subtle attacks on the right- such as a matter of fact "Bain where Romney laid off people' attacks. I don't think Newt is electable but he has the fire to take on Obama. Christie also does. Sarah could. I now worry about Mitt. McCain was too worked about being called a waicist.

Posted by: avi at January 22, 2012 08:13 AM (iSFyV)

90 @91: I think Romney would be McCain'd. McCain played the whole distinguished "elder stateman" role, and Obama and the media rode right over him with Hope and Change. This time around it won't be H&C, it'll be class warfare, and that's where nice guy Mitt is going to be unprepared to throw the ball back at them. Remember, so long as he can keep attention off of himself and his record, Obama wins. Newt, for all his baggage, at least highlights the Obama record in his statements (cf. Food stamp president)

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 22, 2012 08:17 AM (Y5I9o)

91 Point taken. I just wish Newt had Mitt's personal life. RINO or not, the guy is just THE squeaky clean social conservative candidate personally.

Agreed.

As Vic points out, Perry was probably the closest we had to the clean personal life & Conservative bona fides.

Few liked his debate performances because there wasn't a lot to like. I was surprises at how poorly he performed, given the build-up.

One of the reasons Newt does so well in the debates is that he has internalized these issues to the point that he doesn't need to rely on talking points. He is interested in the nuts and bolts of why some policies fail and others succeed, so rather than just giving cookie-cutter responses that have poll-tested well, he gives responses that suggest someone who has studied the issue at hand.

People joke that he is our Clinton because of his adultery issues, but it could also be said he is our Clinton because he is sharp enough to speak intelligently on most any topic that comes up.

I know I may be in a minority, but I always enjoyed watching Clinton give an interview for this very reason. I may disagree with him, but I always felt like he was interested in the topic being discussed.

Posted by: krakatoa at January 22, 2012 08:19 AM (fFZ12)

92 releasing tax returns is not a presidential requirement in the Constitution.  Interesting how out of sorts people get over tax returns when a sitting president took years to release a birth certificate.

Posted by: you know... at January 22, 2012 09:21 AM (5bzEe)

93

<i> Interesting how out of sorts people get over tax returns when a sitting president took years to release a birth certificate. </i>

That's how the Demunist Apparatchik Media works. Their guys and gals get away with murder, ours are raked over the coals for jaywalking.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 22, 2012 09:23 AM (w7K7d)

94 Which gingrich conservative values, you mean global warming, amnesty for illegal aliens, endorsing scozafalla, taking 1.6 million from fannie mae, attacking capitalism, saying the era of Reagan was over. Yea, Romney only says over and over he is pro life, pro marriage, will appoint conservative judges, is pro legal immigration, will abolish obamacare, has not hesitated to attack obama, and is pro business and pro jobs. Yea, he's gotta try and be more like newt.

Posted by: James at January 22, 2012 09:36 AM (IoTd/)

95 James, I've long thought that's not a great argument for the anti-Newts. I hear those lists of Newt's "non-conservative positions", and I see: a) tactical maneuvers, and b) thought experiments. You can argue about the wisdom of doing them in public, but I never see them as changing his underlying philosophy.

Conversely, Romney says he has adopted every conservative position imaginable, and I have yet to see proof that he actually believes in them. It comes down to who I trust, and I don't trust Romney.

Posted by: The Black Republican at January 22, 2012 09:54 AM (aF97q)

96

I'm not anti-Newt so much as I think Newt is just too personally damaged to be our vessel.

It is wishful thinking, but could Newt and Mitt sharpen each other and one become the Veep of the other who wins?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 22, 2012 09:59 AM (w7K7d)

97 Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 22, 2012 01:59 PM (w7K7d)

Everyone else is too beaten down. The question is: Who's on top of the ticket?

I would put Romney there, simply because he can follow a script better, and won't regale us with the power of his intellect. Having a loose cannon as a VP candidate isn't the worst thing that could happen. And...the debate between Newt and Joe Biden would be entertaining.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 22, 2012 10:02 AM (nEUpB)

98 he can follow a script better

Yeah, 'cause that's what America is yearning for: TOTUS(R)

Posted by: The Black Republican at January 22, 2012 10:09 AM (aF97q)

99

<b>REPUBLICANS IN DENIAL</b> from the site FLOPPING ACES

<b>EXCERPTS</b>: <i>"Get familiar with the names BCIP Associates III Cayman and Sankaty High Yield Asset Investors Ltd. If Romney is the Republican nominee they will become a household names. Why? Let me explain.
 
BCIP Associates III Cayman and Sankaty High Yield Asset Investors Ltd are basically nothing more then P.O. boxes in Bermuda and the Grand Cayman Island. The number of words in the names of these companies is greater then the total sum of employees on the payroll. No secretaries, no janitors, no interns. Just a few lawyers working out of their own offices with a plaque on the wall. In essence these are companies in name only. They are what is more commonly known as off shore accounts. They can and are directly linked to Romney. You know, the same Mitt Romney who is trying to convince everyone he is Mr. Everyman. Starting ring a few bells? Maybe its because weÂ’ve been down this road before and the only thing that has changed for the Obama campaign and the media is the publish dates of the articles written before and will be again. The facts have not changed. The accusations remain the same.

Independent voters on the other hand have a much harder time relating to these accounts as it is. Add to this the Obama campaign and the media filtering how the Independent voter will again recieve this information and the problem becomes obvious and predictable. One ad on national T.V. will leave the independent voter thinking and realizing that Jane and John Doe independent donÂ’t have off shore accounts. They are paying their taxes without the use of loopholes. How can Mitt Romney argue cutting taxes when in their mind he isnÂ’t paying his fair share in the first place? How does Romney argue for reducing the deficit by cutting social programs when he is hiding money off shore that could fund them? If Romney isnÂ’t using these companies to subvert the tax code, why do they even exist then? What would be the point? Why go through the hassel? Something doesnt smell right to them.
 
Republicans and conservatives are just not going to be able to win the Romney off shore account argument with the Independent voters using the same idiotic retorts currently being thrown at conservatives pointing out the fact that this could be a problem. Instead of whining about conservatives bring the issue up, Republicans and Conservatives of all stripes should be figuring out how they are going to deal with the inevitable class warfare that is going to be ramping up as the Novemeber election nears. Pretending RomneyÂ’s use of off shore accounts is no big deal is not going to end well for the Republican party."</i>

Posted by: Ed Wallis at January 22, 2012 10:22 AM (yM/Cz)

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