October 22, 2012
— Ace In CNN's poll, 48% said Obama won, 40% Romney.
But as far as changing votes, 24% said they were more inclined to vote for Obama, 25% for Romney.
On the question of who was qualified to be Commander in Chief: 60% said Romney was.
63% said Obama was.
PPP did a poll. It had Obama winning.
But here's the unkindest cut, from @DKElections (Daily Kos Elections). I've changed the tweet a little to make it more readable.
Weird: Among indies in @PPPPolls, 47% say they're more likely to vote for Romney, 35% less; 32% say they're more likely to vote for Obama, 48% less. But indies thought O won debate 55-40, voting for him 46-36
Not weird. Romney's strategy was correct. He gained some ground. Even though the "independents" skewed strongly to Obama.
Obama's whole campaign -- and his debate strategy -- has been to "win the newscycle" and lob a bunch of small-bore attacks and micro-appeals. He keeps doing that and doing that.
I've been saying this for a while: You can win every newscycle and still lose. Because people don't vote on whatever dumb story you pushed into the newscycle. They're voting the the future, and the country, and their children.
A lot bigger stuff that binders full of Big Bird.
Krauthammer called it an "unequivocal" win for Romney.
Obama had successfully used ads and media allies to paint Romney has a heartless vampire, a soulless robot, a bloodthirsty warmonger.
The story of the debates has been Romney using completely free media to undo all that Narrative, and all that money spent.
I think that Obama was only up because he had gone negative on Romney so hard, as part of the "Kill Romney" strategy they announced 8, 9 months ago.
People do not like the way things are. They do not like the economy and are sick of Obama's excuses.
So Obama poured hundreds of millions of dollars into ads to paint Romney as unnacceptable.
Well, in four debates (including Ryan), the Romney-Ryan team as painted themselves as perfectly acceptable, even appealing.
That means that the election returns to... the economy people don't like, and the endless excuses people are sick to death of hearing.
ABC's Rick Klein... seems to think it's advantage Romney.
In a debate about who should be commander-in-chief, Mitt Romney was just as much in command as the man in the job now....
But Romney also had a strong debate, in pursuing different goals than the president. He sought to come across as reasonable rather than confrontational — a candidate comfortable with the campaign’s trajectory.
“Attacking me is not talking about an agenda,” Romney said at one point.
Perhaps oddly for a challenger, Romney singled out areas of agreement with the president — on Egypt, Syria, the use of drone strikes — and then used disagreements to stitch together an argument that looked forward.
...
But Romney had already shown voters that he belongs on the stage with the president. Coming into the debate, heÂ’d fought himself into a virtual tie with the president on key issue areas, according to the new ABC News/Washington Post poll, with little daylight between the two men on trust in handling terrorism, international affairs, or serving as commander-in-chief.
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There’s no going back, though, to a point where a single debate could change the trajectory of a campaign. Nothing happened tonight to change the race’s direction — and Romney walks away strong after playing on Obama’s turf, competing for his job.
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Posted by: IdowhatIwant ( at October 22, 2012 08:07 PM (a4CUi)
Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet at October 22, 2012 08:07 PM (pcnpf)
Posted by: Sassy at October 22, 2012 08:08 PM (detCI)
Posted by: Nate at October 22, 2012 08:08 PM (b6qQk)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 08:08 PM (XfJWN)
That's a strategy of a non-strategist. Obama is more comfortable with tactics than strategy. Strategy requires vision, patience, hard work making sure it's executed properly at each step.
Does that sound like something Obama is good at?
Posted by: JB at October 22, 2012 08:08 PM (xVcWj)
Posted by: pbrown at October 22, 2012 08:09 PM (idRzK)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 22, 2012 08:09 PM (DbhrR)
Everyone else just says, "Jesus, what a condescending douchebag."
Posted by: RarestRX at October 22, 2012 08:09 PM (9ct4e)
Posted by: McLovin' at October 22, 2012 08:09 PM (IO6Fu)
Posted by: joeindc44 at October 22, 2012 08:09 PM (Z3ckx)
Posted by: Andy at October 22, 2012 08:09 PM (OZPoa)
Posted by: Tuna at October 22, 2012 08:09 PM (M/TDA)
Posted by: sifty at October 22, 2012 08:10 PM (p39GY)
Did anybody see Bob Schieffer opening his binder **ON CAMERA** during Romney's closing statement??? Starting at 1:23 in this video:
http://bit.ly/TurWLH
Posted by: pbrown at October 23, 2012 12:09 AM (idRzK)]
Yes and you kept seeing Schieffer's hands come up to let Romney know it was time to stop.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 08:10 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: joeindc44 at October 22, 2012 08:10 PM (Z3ckx)
Posted by: Snotnosed Nuclear Sonic Punk at October 22, 2012 08:10 PM (Y+woW)
Obama continued his excellent campaign for Sixth Grade Class President.
Romney continued his excellent campaign for President of the United States and Leader of the Free World.
Posted by: rockmom at October 22, 2012 08:10 PM (qe2/V)
Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at October 22, 2012 08:10 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 08:11 PM (XfJWN)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 22, 2012 08:11 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: joeindc44 at October 22, 2012 08:11 PM (Z3ckx)
Obama = Philadelphia Eagles
Romney = New York Giants
One guy wins head to head, but the other guy wins the thing that matters the most
Posted by: The Q at October 22, 2012 08:11 PM (B/yDO)
Posted by: Raquel at October 22, 2012 08:11 PM (IJOxR)
Posted by: American at October 22, 2012 08:11 PM (gnViO)
Obama usually wins the "American Idol" type contests because he's simply less stiff and more fluid than Romney, but on substance, most of these debates have helped Romney.
My honest opinion was that Romney won this debate going away and Obama made some killer gaffes that will cost him key states (like comparing Navy ships to bayonets)
Had Romney come into this debate thumping his chest on foreign policy, I think Americans would have had deja vu of the NeoCon nightmare that was Dubya.
Posted by: Jeepers at October 22, 2012 08:12 PM (XDRsa)
That means that the election returns to... the economy people don't like, and the endless excuses people are sick to death of hearing.
Posted by: Ace at 12:05 AM
And Obama's "solutions" for the future: Roads, Bridges, Teachers, Tax the Rich.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 08:12 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: jb at October 22, 2012 08:12 PM (sdU0o)
Tonight, Obama was on offense. You don't have to do that if you're the incumbent and you're winning.
Romney was not great except for a couple of times here and there. He didn't have to be.
Carter tried to scare people about Reagan and having his finger on the button. When they saw them side by side and Reagan saying, "There you go again," tut, tut, that attack started to lose its effectiveness. Recall one big Carter flub was saying how he talked to Amy about nuclear weapons. He was trying to scare mothers about Reagan, but instead it backfired because it sounded so unpresidential.
That's a bit what Obama's "Battleship" comment was like tonight. He wanted to demean Mitt and make him sound uninformed, but instead it made Obama seem unserious. (And probably hurt him in Virginia.)
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 22, 2012 08:12 PM (vouc9)
That's been his whole fucking presidency. non-stop.
Posted by: charlie gibson at October 22, 2012 08:12 PM (PHb2k)
Posted by: CausticConservative at October 22, 2012 08:12 PM (gT3jF)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Now with more! at October 22, 2012 08:12 PM (gmoEG)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 22, 2012 08:12 PM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: Sassy at October 22, 2012 08:13 PM (detCI)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 08:13 PM (XfJWN)
Posted by: steevy at October 22, 2012 08:13 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: Foobar at October 22, 2012 08:14 PM (c7Zr5)
Nah, he's finished. No-one likes a loser, even the tranzie progs.
He's running for country club golf champion.
Posted by: JB at October 22, 2012 08:14 PM (xVcWj)
It was Obama who needled to have at least one win....
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 22, 2012 08:14 PM (9+ccr)
"PPP post-debate INDYs only key stat: "More/less likely to vote after debate" - Obama 32 more/48 less. Romney 47 more/35 less"
^^^^All you need to know^^^^
Posted by: Grig at October 22, 2012 08:14 PM (BsG1N)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 23, 2012 12:12 AM (u8eBQ)
Not even that. You see the internals of the polling? Even PPP is finding independents up huge with Romney now.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 08:14 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: taylork at October 22, 2012 08:15 PM (+nCTZ)
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 08:15 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 08:15 PM (XfJWN)
Posted by: zombie at October 22, 2012 08:15 PM (+cx5n)
Posted by: Raquel at October 22, 2012 08:15 PM (IJOxR)
The Obama Fitzgerald
http://tinyurl.com/8lyj67n
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 22, 2012 08:15 PM (DbhrR)
And I thought I was dull...
Night 'rons and 'ronettes.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Now with more! at October 22, 2012 08:16 PM (gmoEG)
Posted by: joeindc44 at October 22, 2012 08:16 PM (Z3ckx)
Posted by: Whoever this is, it's definitely not Michael at October 22, 2012 08:16 PM (JVCVF)
The sample was R+10
Posted by: RomneylosesOhio at October 23, 2012 12:15 AM (Jk+oU)
Was it really? Oh no! LEFTIES COMPLAINING ABOUT POLL SAMPLING!!! POLLING DENIERS!!!!
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 08:17 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: maddogg at October 22, 2012 08:17 PM (w2iaX)
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 22, 2012 08:17 PM (vouc9)
Posted by: zombie at October 22, 2012 08:17 PM (+cx5n)
Posted by: MSM Fact Checker at October 22, 2012 08:17 PM (7BYQH)
"Man, there is going to be a TON of conservative butthurt on Dec 7th."
Yes, please make sure to go to the polls on December 6th and turn the tide for the great Barack Obama.
Posted by: dsm at October 22, 2012 08:18 PM (1pQ2K)
Now, was he as aggressive as I'd have preferred? No, but that was a politically strategic move to take some edge off. He has my vote already. Since I'm not a Donk, I can't vote twice so any bonus energy spent on me is wasted. What Romney did do was appeal to the "independents" who would argue that a more passive approach forces desirable comity and a bit of isolationism to get out of foreign affairs. They'll not have to decide to go for a "warmonger". To that end Romney is an infinitely better politician than I could ever dream of being.
Romney won. He just laid down the last stepping stone to the presidency. Now it's just up to the GOTV efforts and I'm certain that it's vibrant and energized this year to an extent not seen since Reagan. The MFM and most of the punditry class won't know what hit them. As before, none of them know anyone who'll vote for Romney.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 22, 2012 08:18 PM (eHIJJ)
Good times......good times
Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 22, 2012 08:18 PM (AREf/)
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 08:18 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 22, 2012 08:18 PM (u8eBQ)
@35 Why so angry? If you really thought O was winning, you'd be smug and gloating, not angry. Will you return here come Election night when R wins?
You no doubt thought O won the last debate as well, yet the polls in the days post debate didn't show it. Mitt continues to rise in the polls and RCP has him ahead in the electoral college.
The debates haven't helped O, they've hurt him.
Posted by: inquiring minds wish to know at October 22, 2012 08:19 PM (Q2wni)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 08:19 PM (q5NFp)
MNF I can see, but baseball ratings have been trending down, and it was 5-0 Giants by the time the debate started
Posted by: The Q at October 22, 2012 08:19 PM (B/yDO)
Also, it's how it pans out over the next few days, so we'll see.
I certainly hope this debate pushes the needle toward Romney even more, although I am in the "won't change anything" camp.
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 23, 2012 12:18 AM (u8eBQ)
Well. Lets look at the last debate. Oh yeah. No stopping Mittmentum.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 08:20 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 22, 2012 08:20 PM (DbhrR)
Posted by: Tuna at October 22, 2012 08:20 PM (M/TDA)
Posted by: tasker at October 22, 2012 08:20 PM (r2PLg)
are you effing kidding me?
where have all the good trolls gone?
Posted by: kinlaw at October 22, 2012 08:20 PM (uLTng)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 22, 2012 08:20 PM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 08:20 PM (XfJWN)
Posted by: Pete at October 22, 2012 08:20 PM (v5ioQ)
Posted by: Chris R at October 22, 2012 08:21 PM (qP4e9)
Posted by: zombie at October 22, 2012 08:21 PM (+cx5n)
DIZ.
Diz iz vat it iz about....Rommel Vins de electsion!... und de sexzy Olgaz in de ONT! Achtung!!
Posted by: Some dead NAZI fapping in his grave at October 22, 2012 08:21 PM (H7jIA)
Posted by: Foobar at October 22, 2012 08:21 PM (c7Zr5)
That's a bit what Obama's "Battleship" comment was like tonight. He wanted to demean Mitt and make him sound uninformed, but instead it made Obama seem unserious. (And probably hurt him in Virginia.)
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 23, 2012 12:12 AM (vouc9)
and uninformed.
Our special forces use horses in vehicle inaccessible areas in the middle east.
And our military still attaches bayonets to their weapons.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 22, 2012 08:21 PM (ovpNn)
Not that I buy for a moment that he is a warmonger, but others do.
He didn't stand to lose much, and momentum is already on his side, so well done.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2012 08:21 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 22, 2012 08:21 PM (9+ccr)
What were your boys on msnbc talking about at this time in 2008?
(hint) it sure as shit wasn't fighting the challengers kids.
Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 22, 2012 08:21 PM (AREf/)
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 22, 2012 08:21 PM (vouc9)
Posted by: Raquel at October 22, 2012 08:22 PM (IJOxR)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 22, 2012 08:22 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: MostlyRight at October 22, 2012 08:22 PM (ZG8Ti)
**************************
Liberal logic: a 24 point advantage with independents over Obama is not considered breaking hard for Romney.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Teams Up With Mitt Romney's Hair to Defeat SCOAMF at October 22, 2012 08:22 PM (+AV7H)
That poll was a "Was he presidential? Yes/No"
Two separate questions. Thus how O scored 63/37 and RMoney got 60/40
Posted by: The Q at October 22, 2012 08:22 PM (B/yDO)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 22, 2012 08:22 PM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: Tuna at October 22, 2012 08:23 PM (M/TDA)
There are an awful lot of people who cannot stomach voting for the losing side and will vote the presumed winner because of it.
Those people are idiots but their votes count just the same as the informed voter.
This time around, we'll take it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2012 08:24 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:20 AM (XfJWN)
#LOLGreg
Moaning with all the pudding we're dipping into.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 08:24 PM (M1gmo)
Romney's plan was to make the debate NOT about foreign policy. It was to build on one theme, that American power is based on a healthy growing economy.
To make it bigger than FP choices. Bigger then Benghazi.
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 22, 2012 08:24 PM (kzejo)
Posted by: maddogg at October 22, 2012 08:24 PM (w2iaX)
Who says it doesn't add up. 63+60= 100 right?
Posted by: Tuna at October 23, 2012 12:23 AM (M/TDA)
Kind of like 57 states huh?
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 08:24 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Whoever this is, it's definitely not Michael at October 22, 2012 08:24 PM (JVCVF)
***
So.... she didn't retain the stylist from her convention appearance.
Bad move.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2012 08:24 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 22, 2012 08:24 PM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: George W Beagle at October 22, 2012 08:24 PM (JwW4z)
Posted by: McLovin' at October 22, 2012 08:24 PM (IO6Fu)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 08:24 PM (q5NFp)
Posted by: zombie at October 22, 2012 08:24 PM (+cx5n)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 22, 2012 08:25 PM (6JMZR)
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 22, 2012 08:25 PM (ovpNn)
I like to stick Mr. Happy into electrical sockets.
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 08:25 PM (ZETiK)
Posted by: ToldYaISuckCockByChoice at October 22, 2012 08:25 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: meh at October 22, 2012 08:25 PM (66rv5)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 22, 2012 08:25 PM (9+ccr)
Yeah, Dec. 7th.
Keep thinking that, Puddles.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 22, 2012 08:25 PM (DKxu1)
Posted by: Sassy at October 22, 2012 08:25 PM (detCI)
Right. See Gore, first debate, 2000. He won, but everyone thought he was a jerk.
Same with Biden, who would have clearly one his debate by not letting Ryan get a complete sentence out, if he had controlled his stupid smirking and giggling.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 22, 2012 08:25 PM (vouc9)
Posted by: parteagirl at October 22, 2012 08:26 PM (J/MHD)
Posted by: IdowhatIwant ( at October 22, 2012 08:26 PM (a4CUi)
Posted by: Restless at October 22, 2012 08:26 PM (W3QFu)
Posted by: Raquel at October 22, 2012 08:26 PM (IJOxR)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 22, 2012 08:26 PM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: Uncle Milty at October 22, 2012 08:27 PM (sCI7M)
Posted by: taylork at October 22, 2012 08:27 PM (+nCTZ)
****
You know, most of the state is not in the Miami/Lauderdale area.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2012 08:27 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 22, 2012 08:27 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 22, 2012 08:28 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: maddogg at October 22, 2012 08:28 PM (w2iaX)
I keep forgetting that Mitt Romney is so brilliant. He is disarming and humble, and he just lets things spin and then zaps quietly. He gets more like Reagan daily.
Good night, y'all. Tomorrow is two weeks until D-Day (Defeat Obama Day).
Sharpen you bayonets!
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, unbanned, ready to get this done at October 22, 2012 08:28 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Raquel at October 22, 2012 08:28 PM (IJOxR)
Posted by: TheThinMan at October 22, 2012 08:28 PM (75Nf2)
Romney didn't do a whole lot today other than keep the debate about the economy, which he wins decidedly. You can't talk about the warmongering Romney when he agrees with the "peace loving" Obama.
Posted by: taylork at October 23, 2012 12:27 AM (+nCTZ)
I think Obama saw that and started getting pissed. Kept trying to get Romney to talk about Libya.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 08:28 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 22, 2012 08:28 PM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 08:29 PM (M1gmo)
I don't know about you guys but I'm not waiting until December 7th to get butt hurt. I'm heading to the glory hole to celebrate Chicago Jesus' victory tonight.
Posted by: Foobar at October 22, 2012 08:29 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Dick Hertz at October 22, 2012 08:29 PM (gkfSV)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 22, 2012 08:29 PM (Rhie+)
Posted by: Log Cabin at October 22, 2012 08:30 PM (JV/H0)
I have a rule of thumb that's served me well in life: If it's coming out of Florida, ignore it:
The U football, Elian Gonzalez, Bush/Gore, Gianni Versace, Casey Anthony, the bath salts zombie, Trayvon Martin, Ricky Martin, the whole Backstreet/Britney/NSYNC wave, Creed . . .
Posted by: The Q at October 22, 2012 08:30 PM (B/yDO)
Enjoy Hawaii, Barry.
Posted by: parteagirl at October 23, 2012 12:26 AM (J/MHD)
FIFY
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 22, 2012 08:30 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: Dr. Slotkin at October 22, 2012 08:30 PM (1crPI)
****
You know, most of the state is not in the Miami/Lauderdale area.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2012 12:27 AM (piMMO)
Sorry - I just can't stop poking at Florida.... even us Texans have some sections we're not too proud of...
Posted by: George W Beagle at October 22, 2012 08:31 PM (JwW4z)
Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 12:28 AM (IJOxR)
If he wins the popular vote, he wins the electoral college. There is a reason that has only happened FOUR times in our history.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 08:31 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Whoever this is, it's definitely not Michael at October 22, 2012 08:31 PM (JVCVF)
No successes to point to beyond "I kilt OBL."
Whut a loser.
Posted by: RoyalOil at October 22, 2012 08:31 PM (imtbm)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 08:31 PM (q5NFp)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 08:31 PM (XfJWN)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 22, 2012 08:31 PM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: Dick Hertz at October 22, 2012 08:31 PM (gkfSV)
Posted by: Foobar at October 23, 2012 12:29 AM (/YJYi)
Why wait?
Become an ambassador in the Obama Administration....be butt hurt in benghazi.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 22, 2012 08:32 PM (ovpNn)
Zero explaining how the military had changed to Romney reminded me of the brilliant military minds who decided cannons were obsolete on fighter planes.
Posted by: maddogg at October 22, 2012 08:32 PM (w2iaX)
Posted by: Foobar at October 22, 2012 08:32 PM (b6qQk)
Posted by: zombie at October 22, 2012 08:32 PM (+cx5n)
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/index.html
Warning, boobehs could cause erection lasting more than four hours.
Posted by: kbdabear at October 22, 2012 08:32 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 22, 2012 08:33 PM (6JMZR)
Posted by: calbadger at October 22, 2012 08:33 PM (sa0TR)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 22, 2012 08:34 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 23, 2012 12:33 AM (6JMZR)
I don't think so....
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 22, 2012 08:34 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: tasker at October 22, 2012 08:34 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: TheThinMan at October 22, 2012 08:35 PM (aqSLg)
Well, it wasn't McCain. Thank you, Jesus! And Mitt held up his end of the deal, against bad odds, very well. Now, if we can just tug the voters off of the couch, out of the bars, away from hanging onto their phony baloney-under utilized jobs on that voting day, everything will be as it should. Landslide!
Firemen, get ready.
Posted by: and irresolute at October 22, 2012 08:35 PM (DBH1h)
Puddles, again, Dec. 7th?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 22, 2012 08:35 PM (DKxu1)
*****
Well, admittedly, there's an AWFUL lot to poke fun about.
I occasionally do a "which of these odd things occurred in Florida?" thing and, usually, it's all three.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2012 08:35 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 08:35 PM (XfJWN)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 08:36 PM (q5NFp)
Posted by: Scobface at October 22, 2012 08:36 PM (IoNBC)
Posted by: Dr. Slotkin at October 22, 2012 08:36 PM (1crPI)
The economy sucked so badly that people figured getting nuked was better than 4 more years of Jimmah's economy
Posted by: kbdabear at October 22, 2012 08:36 PM (wwsoB)
****
No.
It was strategy, plain and simple.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2012 08:37 PM (piMMO)
First debate: Big Bird
Second debate: Binders
Third debate: Bayonettes.
Apparently, Obama was aiming for a solid B+
Posted by: Boone at October 22, 2012 08:37 PM (tIyK2)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 22, 2012 08:37 PM (DbhrR)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 08:37 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Sassy at October 22, 2012 08:37 PM (detCI)
Really... I think that will be you... if you can steal it from your parents liqueur cabinet...
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 22, 2012 08:38 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Raquel at October 22, 2012 08:38 PM (IJOxR)
Posted by: Avi at October 22, 2012 08:38 PM (51xVX)
Posted by: elliot m at October 22, 2012 08:38 PM (zPich)
Posted by: Chris R at October 22, 2012 08:38 PM (qP4e9)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 22, 2012 08:38 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 08:39 PM (XfJWN)
I'll take that.
Plus, a GOP House and possibly a GOP senate (with conservative leadership) can pull him to the right.
Time to hit the sack.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 22, 2012 08:39 PM (vouc9)
http://bit.ly/TP157s
Posted by: Chris R at October 23, 2012 12:38 AM (qP4e9)
Posted by: George W Beagle at October 22, 2012 08:39 PM (JwW4z)
Posted by: and irresolute at October 22, 2012 08:40 PM (DBH1h)
Obama locked up his 2nd term tonight.
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 08:40 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 22, 2012 08:40 PM (6JMZR)
Posted by: Whoever this is, it's definitely not Michael at October 22, 2012 08:40 PM (JVCVF)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 08:40 PM (XfJWN)
Tonight, Romney masterfully generated a fresh and indelible image of an optimistic president leading America into a brighter, safer, more prosperous future.
It's an image that will continue to impress the minds of voters as election day draws near.
The wishy-washy undecideds will begin secretly warming to the idea of voting for Mitt Romney.
The cautiously lukewarm supporters of Romney will become outright vocal supporters.
Solid Romney supporters will give even more money than they thought they would originally allow themselves. (I know I already have.)
Soft-supporters of Obama will continue to lose interest in this election. It just won't seem all that important to them. They'll tell themselves it's a rigged game or that all politicians are crooks or that it doesn't really matter who's in charge - they're all about the same anyway. Whatever it takes to excuse themselves from participating in a pointless activity.
Most of these soft Obama supporters will not likely be convinced to flip and vote for Romney. But subconsciously they'll feel vaguely intimidated by the notion of voting against the obviously stronger performer, Romney.
When you're only nominally supportive in the first place, it becomes difficult to invest effort (a vote) against the obvious winner. What's the point?
Moreover, some soft Obama supporters will even develop an ill at ease feeling that they literally shouldn't vote against Romney. That it would be wrong. Again, on a subconscious level, many soft Obama supporters will suspect that Romney is just plainly more competent than Obama. With the vital issues of economy and national security being of ultimate importance: many soft Obama supporters will not be able to bring themselves to vote against what looks like a clearly better course. More than just feeling a bit stupid, they would feel like they might somehow be damaging something.
Why else do you think Team Obama has virtually given up on winning undecideds and moderates and reverted to solely ginning up the base. - Because that's the only strategy that has a prayer of keeping their soft support from bleeding out and staying home on election day. If that happens, Romney won't just win handily or even just win big.
He'll crush Obama in a Reaganesque Landslide.
Posted by: _Dave_ at October 22, 2012 08:41 PM (J+Q+d)
I have a rule of thumb that's served me well in life: If it's coming out of Florida, ignore it:
The U football, Elian Gonzalez, Bush/Gore, Gianni Versace, Casey Anthony, the bath salts zombie, Trayvon Martin, Ricky Martin, the whole Backstreet/Britney/NSYNC wave, Creed . . .
Posted by: The Q at October 23, 2012 12:30 AM
I live in FL and lived in CA for 15 years. CA is still the Land of Fruits and Nuts, and Floridians don't keep voting in the same dickheads who turned a paradise into another shithole
Posted by: kbdabear at October 22, 2012 08:41 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: elliot m at October 22, 2012 08:42 PM (zPich)
Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 22, 2012 08:42 PM (AREf/)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 08:42 PM (/YJYi)
Well in my dreams Romney is running as the RINO Manchurian Candidate. that once he has power will turn right. Run RINO to win lead right to live.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 22, 2012 08:43 PM (DbhrR)
Posted by: Avi at October 22, 2012 08:43 PM (51xVX)
Posted by: tasker at October 22, 2012 08:43 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: and irresolute at October 22, 2012 08:43 PM (DBH1h)
Ride me, Greg....all the cool kids are doing it.
Posted by: Preference Cascade at October 22, 2012 08:43 PM (9ND2c)
I didn't say I thought Romney lost the debate. Just that I wanted a message that he won't be cowed by them and I didn't get that.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 23, 2012 12:40 AM (6JMZR)
Romney wins by not lowering himself to Obama's level. You see Mitt's favorable's going up? Obama uses his favorability to attack Romney. People don't like that shit. Romney played it safe and STILL tied Obama on FP and kicked his ass on the economy.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 08:44 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Raquel at October 22, 2012 08:44 PM (IJOxR)
****
WTH?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2012 08:44 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: TheThinMan at October 22, 2012 08:44 PM (DlSi2)
Personally,
This topic will always stack for the incumbent president, even if that incumbent is a SCOAMF.....
That said, Obama squandered the opportunity- while he looked presidential (he damn well better, he HAS been for almost 4 years),
He did nothing but take cheap shots. Most inaccurately, and many fraudulent.
He played to his base. He catered to the MSNBC loons. He did nothing to curry favor, inspire, give hope, show promise, NOTHING.
I will readily concede he won tonight on points, but it is worse than last time-then, he actually shored up his base, brought some of the lefties back into the fold- he may well have lost the election tonight.
I hope I'm right, thank god and good riddance if so...
Posted by: Gerry Owen at October 22, 2012 08:44 PM (4ABat)
Do try to continue spinning this as a win for yourselves, wingnuts.
Meanwhile, I will invest more in President Obama on Intrade. He is still great value at 61%.
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 08:44 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: kbdabear at October 23, 2012 12:41 AM (wwsoB)
You're so right about CA - unfortunately, because it's a beautiful state. (My dad's family was from there - definitely some nuts...)
Posted by: George W Beagle at October 22, 2012 08:45 PM (JwW4z)
Posted by: sifty at October 22, 2012 08:45 PM (p39GY)
Posted by: Tuna at October 22, 2012 08:45 PM (M/TDA)
Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:40 AM (XfJWN)
Yeah Republicans only need three seats to get to 50. If Romney wins at 51-52%, he takes the Senate.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 08:45 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 08:45 PM (q5NFp)
CA is still the Land of Fruits and Nuts, and Floridians don't keep voting in the same dickheads who turned a paradise into another shithole
Posted by: kbdabear at October 23, 2012 12:41 AM (wwsoB)
Right on the money! That's one of the reasons I left CA to move back to WA State, although it seems as though the same shit happens here. At least I live on the somewhat more conservative side of the Mts.
Posted by: Theresa 4 Romney/Ryan at October 22, 2012 08:46 PM (FDErx)
Posted by: California red at October 22, 2012 08:46 PM (DXTKe)
Posted by: Dr. Slotkin at October 22, 2012 08:46 PM (1crPI)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 08:46 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 22, 2012 08:46 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Knemon at October 22, 2012 08:46 PM (E/PdK)
Do try to continue spinning this as a win for yourselves, wingnuts.
Meanwhile, I will invest more in President Obama on Intrade. He is still great value at 61%.
****
Fine, Gerg.
Obama won this debate.
So fucking what?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2012 08:46 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: t-bird at October 22, 2012 08:47 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Weirddave at October 22, 2012 08:47 PM (74T7W)
Posted by: Uncle Milty at October 22, 2012 08:47 PM (sCI7M)
Posted by: Dr. Slotkin at October 22, 2012 08:48 PM (1crPI)
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 08:48 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: Uncle Milty at October 23, 2012 12:47 AM (sCI7M)
Beck needs to shut the hell up with his weepy holier than thou bullshit.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 08:48 PM (M1gmo)
Qualified, not "more qualified" - hence above 100.
Posted by: JB at October 22, 2012 08:48 PM (xVcWj)
Posted by: blb at October 22, 2012 08:49 PM (4gjb7)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 22, 2012 08:50 PM (6JMZR)
Sorry, what was that? I can't hear you while you're running away with those goalposts, chickenshit bitch.
Not only does Romney win, but he'll win by enough to carry an albatross like Akin over the line. Say goodbye to Senate Majority Leader Pederast Cryptkeeper, gerg.
crazy crazy funny!
Posted by: elliot m at October 22, 2012 08:50 PM (zPich)
And by the way, they noticed that you skipped Israel. And then in those nations, and on Arabic TV, you said that America had been dismissive and derisive. You said that on occasion America had dictated to other nations.
Mr. President, America has not dictated to other nations. We have freed other nations from dictators."
Mitt Romney to Barack Hussein Obama - October 22, 2012
The rest shall be history
Posted by: Steven W. at October 22, 2012 08:50 PM (tC0ou)
It's not surprising. Romney won this with debate #1. But undecideds like to wait through all debates to see if the guy they want will step on his dick.
Well, Romney didn't. So that's it. No more unplanned political theater. It's just ads and stump speeches. Maybe Allred will reveal that Mitt eats babies or Trump will show us that Obama was an official member of the CPUSA, but the undecideds who were leaning Romney will go hard for him now. They've also been reassured by media who has been doing the one thing that Obama didn't want -- they took Mitt seriously as a candidate.
There is only one more planned event before the election: UE numbers are released on Nov. 5. If they go down without mitigating factors like people dropping out of the labor force, it will be worse for Obama because there will be calls of fraud. If it goes up, it will be the nail in his coffin.
There is really nothing good that can happen for Obama except for an October surprise. The Dems are going to get very weird from here on out.
Posted by: AmishDude at October 22, 2012 08:50 PM (xSegX)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 08:50 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: gerg gerg gerg sucking cock cock cock at October 22, 2012 08:50 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 08:51 PM (XfJWN)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 23, 2012 12:50 AM (6JMZR)
Remember when everyone was asking Generic Republican to run or to have one of our guys change their name to Generic Republican? LOL, good times.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 08:51 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 08:51 PM (q5NFp)
We did get Reagan, though.
Maybe President Rubio in 2020 or 2024 will provide the counterbalance
Posted by: The Q at October 22, 2012 08:52 PM (B/yDO)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 08:53 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: RWC at October 22, 2012 08:53 PM (t+Sdx)
Posted by: Raquel at October 22, 2012 08:53 PM (IJOxR)
But they, apparently, were watching from the Bird of Prey that dropped off Worf.
Posted by: Filly at October 22, 2012 08:53 PM (247Qj)
Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:51 AM (XfJWN) "
because obama is only up 1 or 2 in ohio, and trending down
Posted by: kinlaw at October 22, 2012 08:53 PM (uLTng)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 08:54 PM (q5NFp)
I have tried to be very fair in judging who won each debate. I actually thought Obama won the 2nd. Romney won this one, though. I have no doubt.
It looked like an intelligent conversation between our future president and Bob Schieffer, with some dumbo eared guy jumping in with interruptions once in a while.
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at October 22, 2012 08:54 PM (MNWe/)
Posted by: laughing at neck braces at October 22, 2012 08:54 PM (nVqtU)
Gave them a simple question today..was there a protest in Benghazi on Sept. 11?
I gave up after a couple of minutes. Stupidity is a great shield.
Like these guys?
http://tinyurl.com/8nowuma
Posted by: chemjeff at October 22, 2012 08:54 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 12:53 AM (IJOxR)
NOT the normal. Most elections throughout our history happen like the 2008 election. Seriously, the polarization we saw like in 2000 and 2004 simply does not happen. Most elections are big swings back and forth.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 08:54 PM (M1gmo)
*shows tattoo of the Obama "Hope" poster on his chest*
Oops, what??? It doesn't say "hope" it says "dope"???... guess Hill-dawg isn't the only one with bad translators.
Posted by: Vlad Pooty Poot at October 22, 2012 08:55 PM (LbMUg)
Posted by: Raquel at October 22, 2012 08:55 PM (IJOxR)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 22, 2012 08:55 PM (TMB3S)
... the pukes took down the version with the lyrics! kid you know you can't f* with this!
Posted by: and irresolute at October 22, 2012 08:55 PM (DBH1h)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 23, 2012 12:33 AM (6JMZR)
Romney avoided a trap on that.
The administration strongarmed the CIA into stating that they told the president it was protest for 10 days or so.
Romney avoided the bullshit.
Let the press figure out what this new switcheroo is all about if they have the balls to go after it.
At this point the Liar in chief is spinning so many different stories on it that the best thing to do is avoid it and let the stink stick with him.
It was a very smart move on Romney's part.
Benghazi is played out at this point unless the press finally finds its inner investigative balls....assuming they will ever drop from their Obama loving vaginas.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 22, 2012 08:55 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 22, 2012 08:55 PM (6JMZR)
Posted by: tasker at October 22, 2012 08:56 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 08:56 PM (XfJWN)
Posted by: kbdabear at October 22, 2012 08:56 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: TD, one of the proud 53% at October 22, 2012 08:56 PM (+uFux)
Posted by: LP at October 22, 2012 08:56 PM (pR8WM)
How far north of 300 EV is Romney looking at?
Posted by: fluffy at October 22, 2012 08:56 PM (z9HTb)
Scheduled for Nevada, Colorado and Iowa over the next few days.
Unless you think this is because he's giving up on Ohio, if you're Democrat, it's hemlock time.
Posted by: JB at October 22, 2012 08:57 PM (xVcWj)
Posted by: Adam at October 22, 2012 08:57 PM (/YJYi)
Mark Halperin: Romney Did Himself More Good Than Obama
http://tinyurl.com/9lusgsh
Damn, I wish AB were alive to see this, he'd be having a blast
Posted by: kbdabear at October 22, 2012 08:58 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 08:59 PM (q5NFp)
mind providing a link to that fairy tale?
*****
It was a CBS poll, so....
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2012 08:59 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: t-bird at October 22, 2012 08:59 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: tasker at October 22, 2012 08:59 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 08:59 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 08:59 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: Raquel at October 22, 2012 08:59 PM (IJOxR)
Posted by: Gerg at October 22, 2012 08:59 PM (JV/H0)
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 12:59 AM (rpZo5)
HA HA HA HA HA #LOLWinning
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 09:00 PM (M1gmo)
Romney foiled him. Obama was pissed because Romney didn't take the bait.
You might call it "playing it safe," I call it making Obama eat shit.
Posted by: lael at October 22, 2012 09:00 PM (solTu)
"Obama Super PAC Adviser: Obama Has Given Up On North Carolina"
This was Paul Begala talking to Wolf Blitzer.
"Yes," Begala says when asked by Wolf Blitzer whether Obama's "given up on North Carolina."
Begala continues: "I'm not supposed to say that, Wolf, but I work for, as you mentioned, the pro-Obama super PAC, so I'm being paid to help reelect the president, but if you look at where he's going and where he's spending money--yes, it looks like Governor Romney is likely to carry North Carolina."
Posted by: virginia lake at October 22, 2012 09:00 PM (DiW+f)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 22, 2012 09:00 PM (6JMZR)
Posted by: NewBrunswicker at October 22, 2012 09:00 PM (XBxRP)
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 12:48 AM
Confirms the obvious that you should put the cap back on the glue after using it
Posted by: kbdabear at October 22, 2012 09:00 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 09:01 PM (q5NFp)
As Frank Drebin said, 'I love it. I... love it.'
Posted by: NewBrunswicker at October 23, 2012 01:00 AM (XBxRP)
DEMOCRACY DIED TONIGHT!! WHHHHAAAAAAA!!
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 09:01 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:01 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 09:03 PM (q5NFp)
Of course, Obama doesn't need NC. But it's wise to cover the margin of GOP theft.
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:03 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:01 AM (/YJYi)
Or dropping Colorado. Seriously, Obama is just playing to keep it from a humiliating defeat now.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 09:03 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 09:03 PM (XfJWN)
Hehe, well played.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 22, 2012 09:04 PM (jhI6f)
Posted by: TD, one of the proud 53% at October 22, 2012 09:04 PM (+uFux)
Of course, Obama doesn't need NC. But it's wise to cover the margin of GOP theft.
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:03 AM (rpZo5)
Yep. Not a lock. Gallup is racist, brought the slaves over on the ships for Rasmussen to work the fields with. Romney owns the plantations.
We will steal the elections. Thank God for Diebold.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 09:05 PM (M1gmo)
What am I? What do I mean? Iraq's in Asia. Afghanistan's in Asia. China's in Asia. Syria's in Asia. Libya's not in Asia, though. I'm confused. I don't know what I am. Greg...help.
Posted by: Pivot To Asia at October 22, 2012 09:05 PM (9ND2c)
Posted by: Greggums at October 22, 2012 09:05 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Raquel at October 22, 2012 09:05 PM (IJOxR)
Posted by: Gergle at October 22, 2012 09:06 PM (IoNBC)
Posted by: t-bird at October 22, 2012 09:06 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:06 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: Gerg at October 22, 2012 09:06 PM (JV/H0)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 09:06 PM (q5NFp)
Posted by: Greggums Gerggles at October 22, 2012 09:07 PM (/YJYi)
I'm sure the Romney campaign is totally scared of that one CBS/Quin. O+5 poll which has a D+9 sample.
If you model it reasonably it's a virtual tie.
And as the other states swing, so will Ohio.
Posted by: JB at October 22, 2012 09:07 PM (xVcWj)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 22, 2012 09:07 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: and irresolute at October 22, 2012 09:07 PM (DBH1h)
Posted by: Raquel at October 22, 2012 09:08 PM (IJOxR)
Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 01:05 AM (IJOxR)
Again, no won has lost in the last century with likely voter Gallup polling showing them over 50% in October polling..
Ohio polling is wrong and artificially bumps democrats up to 2008 or greater margins to find either ties or Obama 1-5%.
Ohio will not be D+6 or above. Not happening.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 09:08 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Dave Bowman's Sock Drawer at October 22, 2012 09:08 PM (jfWE9)
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 12:59 AM
What's sad is that you still think it's 2008
Posted by: kbdabear at October 22, 2012 09:08 PM (wwsoB)
Of course, Obama doesn't need NC. But it's wise to cover the margin of GOP theft.
OK, you had us going, but that was over the top.
AJ or NCJ?
Posted by: fluffy at October 22, 2012 09:08 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: t-bird at October 22, 2012 09:08 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: blb at October 22, 2012 09:09 PM (4gjb7)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 09:09 PM (XfJWN)
Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 22, 2012 09:09 PM (AREf/)
But they, apparently, were watching from the Bird of Prey that dropped off Worf.
Posted by: Filly at October 23, 2012 12:53 AM (247Qj)
Well, I'm in your universe - I thought it was condescending, snarky, and totally un-presidential, too. But then again, I never got the whole thing about Barky being so likeable and friendly, either - seems to be a complete jerk to me.
Posted by: George W Beagle at October 22, 2012 09:09 PM (JwW4z)
Posted by: David Axelpoofter at October 22, 2012 09:09 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: TD, one of the proud 53% at October 22, 2012 09:10 PM (+uFux)
Posted by: mediumheadboy at October 22, 2012 09:10 PM (aHR5E)
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:06 AM (rpZo5)
Well Gallup sure seems to be suppressing you guys pretty damn well. So Gallup should keep doing it. We are going to win anyways. We have the fraud edge and the voting machines. Why even bother voting? You guys fucked up in 2010 because now WE CONTROL THE MACHINES in the swing states. Remember OHIO? Yeah, we count the votes.
You lose. If it is close, WE WIN.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 09:11 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Scobface at October 22, 2012 09:11 PM (IoNBC)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 09:11 PM (q5NFp)
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:12 PM (rpZo5)
Does the UN elect the Sec. Gen. from UN Ambassadors? And if so, how does Obama become the US Ambassador to the UN during the Romney Administration and eventual Ryan Administration?
Posted by: greg's ashamed mother at October 22, 2012 09:13 PM (8/bPb)
http://tinyurl.com/8d3hr3e
Romney is pulling out of Ohio because it's a sunk cost. Fact.
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:09 AM (rpZo5)
Polls are wrong stating that 2008 turnout will be repeated, when it was a historical high for Democrats and historical lows for Republicans. Will not happen this year. Especially with Mittmentum on our side and your guy sucking so bad at speaking.
Plus, we have racist Gallup on our side.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 09:13 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 01:09 AM (XfJWN)
Yes, indeed you can pathetically pretend it is 2008 and that people are still mesmorized by greek columns and well-creased slacks.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 22, 2012 09:13 PM (8cOY0)
Posted by: Greggum at October 22, 2012 09:14 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:12 AM (rpZo5)
Yep. We have to leverage it out from the fraud from yours.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 09:14 PM (M1gmo)
Gergy. not that you would know but you pull out once the woman is satisfied and you want to give her a pearl necklace.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne3XojNonEU
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 22, 2012 09:14 PM (DbhrR)
Posted by: Der Gerg at October 22, 2012 09:14 PM (wwsoB)
Greg, does Obama believe in equal protection under the law? If so, why did he hire Eric Holder?
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 22, 2012 09:15 PM (8cOY0)
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 09:15 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Gerg at October 22, 2012 09:15 PM (aHR5E)
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:16 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2012 09:16 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2012 09:16 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: RWC at October 22, 2012 09:16 PM (t+Sdx)
Posted by: t-bird at October 22, 2012 09:17 PM (FcR7P)
359
Have you moonbats ever considered that voting for someone doesn't mean you join their party like it's the Foreign fucking Legion?
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 22, 2012 09:17 PM (8cOY0)
--- Ha. This one's a sock.
Posted by: mediumheadboy at October 22, 2012 09:17 PM (aHR5E)
Gah, some of you really suck. He's a RINO when he doesn't agree with me 100% of the time.....Romney's giving up on Ohio.....Conservatives are going to be butthurt on Dec. 7....which makes no sense.
Greg, that guy from the ShamWow commercial called. He wants his annoying presense back. Isn't Fluke missing you right about now, also?
Posted by: Mo the Girl at October 22, 2012 09:18 PM (o/9Eb)
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2012 09:18 PM (LCRYB)
This isn't even good trolling. Try again.
Hint: where we all those "joiners" two years ago?
Posted by: JB at October 22, 2012 09:18 PM (xVcWj)
Posted by: Donna V. at October 22, 2012 09:18 PM (7OHl8)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2012 01:16 AM (piMMO)
Seriously?? I can't bring myself to watch anything on MSNBC...
Posted by: George W Beagle at October 22, 2012 09:18 PM (JwW4z)
Uh, dumbass, your boyfriend's last "victory" cost him another 2 points in the polls. You retards are going to "victory" yourselves into a 40-state loss if you just work hard enough at it.
Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 12:19 AM (q5NFp)
I'd bet that if Obama decided to be sporting and offer Romney another extra debate next week to catch up, Romney would jump at the chance to try to redeem himself.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 22, 2012 09:18 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Gregina at October 22, 2012 09:19 PM (JtCos)
Posted by: Adam at October 22, 2012 09:19 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: RWC at October 22, 2012 09:19 PM (t+Sdx)
See what Nate Silver does. A brilliant intellect like his has weighting for polls. WEIGHTS. To filter out the bad for Obama and put in the good.
Binders. War on Women. Binders. Biden. Foreign Policy, erm Libya, um, Ira..., nevermind.
7.8% ATOMIC BOMB!
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:19 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: schmoopy at October 22, 2012 09:20 PM (vclSa)
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:16 AM (rpZo5)
And then Promptly fled the party 2 years later...
Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 22, 2012 09:20 PM (AREf/)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 09:20 PM (q5NFp)
Posted by: Gerg at October 22, 2012 09:21 PM (JV/H0)
Wait, we did that one already? Well okay then it's "WAR ON WOMEN!".
Wait...
Posted by: David Axelpoofter at October 22, 2012 09:21 PM (d/5qf)
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:21 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 22, 2012 09:21 PM (DbhrR)
359Have you wingnuts ever thought that these polls are assuming high D turnout because many Americans joined the Democrat party in the largest election ever 4 years ago?
Have you ever thought working at Chili's WASN'T the career you thought your college tuition dollars would buy?
Posted by: Gerry Owen at October 22, 2012 09:22 PM (4ABat)
Those Luntz people are annoying: if they are truly undecided at this point, it's a psychological tic, not a problem with not enough information.
And yes, Obama sounded like a teenage douche with the snarky jokes, like about the Navy, and the 80s called and wants your policy back, or whatever.
Best line: attacking me is not an agenda. That's what people will take with them into the voting booth.
Except for Luntz's Dunces, of course, who will forget when voting day is exactly.
Posted by: PJ at October 22, 2012 09:22 PM (DQHjw)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 09:23 PM (pX6k6)
I'm saving a few gems from this thread.
Warning Greg: You words can and will be used against you.
Posted by: Donna V. at October 22, 2012 09:24 PM (7OHl8)
Posted by: RWC at October 22, 2012 09:24 PM (t+Sdx)
Posted by: mediumheadboy at October 22, 2012 09:24 PM (aHR5E)
Posted by: Adam at October 22, 2012 09:25 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: greg's ashamed mother at October 22, 2012 09:25 PM (8/bPb)
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:16 AM (rpZo5)
Better get lots of milk cartons. They went missing 2 years ago
Posted by: kbdabear at October 22, 2012 09:25 PM (wwsoB)
Thankfully, the majority of women are the opposite of her, as you all know from the polls.
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:25 PM (rpZo5)
Does the UN elect the Sec. Gen. from UN Ambassadors? And if so, how does Obama become the US Ambassador to the UN during the Romney Administration and eventual Ryan Administration?
Posted by: greg's ashamed mother at October 23, 2012 01:13 AM (8/bPb)
Oh, no, I could totally see how this works -- the Nobel committee puts Obama up for SecGen, it's passed by acclimation, Romney puts Bolton in as UN Ambassador, and Boehner defunds the whole corrupt s***pile.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 22, 2012 09:25 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Scobface at October 22, 2012 09:25 PM (IoNBC)
He wins simply by being likable, presidential, capable, and not a radical freak. He wins by being a guy people can say "yeah he's okay, I could vote for him."
That's the win for him. The usual rules for debate and all the analysis is irrelevant. He won all three debates the first night by doing that, and didn't blow it by getting snarky or angry later on.
It appears that President Obama has only two modes: campaign speeches and professor. When he's not in those two modes, he's floundering and confused and hesitant and uncertain. They pushed him away from professor mode, knowing that would annoy people to be lectured at (and he wouldn't have time anyway to do his patented 30 minute answer). All he had left was speech maker, so he just tried to recycle his speech lines over and over all three debates.
President Obama isn't being prepared wrong, he's just that limited. He's that incompetent, he's just up against what he can personally achieve. That's all he has, at the end of the day, he's just an empty chair.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 09:25 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: mediumheadboy at October 22, 2012 09:26 PM (aHR5E)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 09:26 PM (q5NFp)
Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 22, 2012 09:26 PM (AREf/)
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:26 PM (M1gmo)
Greg,
What's a neo-con? You like to use that word. But I'm not sure it means what you think it means.
Posted by: Henry Jackson at October 22, 2012 09:26 PM (9ND2c)
Greggie, something tells me you won't be "revelling" on the night of Nov. 6.
You'll be curled up in a fetal position, thumb in your mouth, staring at all the faded Obama posters on your bedroom wall.
And then, you'll have to get a job. Terrifying, I know.
Posted by: Donna V. at October 22, 2012 09:27 PM (7OHl8)
Posted by: eman at October 22, 2012 09:27 PM (+XD7n)
Thankfully, the majority of women are the opposite of her, as you all know from the polls.
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:25 AM (rpZo5)
Yeah, especially THAT UNCLE TOM IN THE FRONT ROW! HOW DARE SHE SUPPORT ROMNEY!!
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:27 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Scobface at October 22, 2012 09:28 PM (IoNBC)
How many of each will vote? We'll see, but I suspect the Democrats are not going to have a particularly great turnout... and not a few of them are going to cross over to Republican.
I doubt there's going to be more than a handful that will cross over from Republican to Democrat, if any.
The only reason the polls look this close is because they're statistically trash. Only 10% of the people contacted actually respond to polls; they're junk, they are utterly worthless.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 09:28 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Gerg at October 22, 2012 09:28 PM (JV/H0)
Posted by: mediumheadboy at October 22, 2012 09:28 PM (aHR5E)
Posted by: kbdabear at October 22, 2012 09:28 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: DOOM, Ed.D at October 22, 2012 09:29 PM (rqCsd)
So does this mean we win Wisconsin?
It's the cheese state!
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 22, 2012 09:29 PM (DbhrR)
Posted by: gerg gerg gerg sucking cock cock cock at October 22, 2012 09:30 PM (d/5qf)
btw Greg. when obama loses, you can come over to my house and i will pity skull fuck you so you can begin to ween off the obamacock.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 22, 2012 09:30 PM (ovpNn)
That's not the real Gerg. It's a sock. Gerg's hash is wkKyw and it never changes.
Posted by: mediumheadboy at October 22, 2012 09:30 PM (aHR5E)
Posted by: eman at October 22, 2012 09:30 PM (+XD7n)
Mitt Romney now leads Barack Obama 49-47 based on the last 3 nights of our national tracking, all pre-debate though: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/102010211022TrackingPoll.pdf Â…
Retweeted by SquatchPride69
Posted by: kbdabear at October 22, 2012 09:30 PM (wwsoB)
Because everyone cares what world opinion is of us.
Nate Silver told me so, through WEIGHTED polls!
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:30 PM (M1gmo)
Polling formats need to change with the times. Fortunately, with a lopsided race as this one, it won't have an effect.
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:31 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: Gregina at October 22, 2012 09:31 PM (JtCos)
Posted by: DOOM, Ed.D at October 23, 2012 01:29 AM (rqCsd)
Too Republican. Needs MOAR Democrat!
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:31 PM (M1gmo)
Tonight it's the hash that repeats but real? are you sure cause it seemed kinda stinky like a sock.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 22, 2012 09:32 PM (DbhrR)
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:32 PM (M/TDA)
Posted by: Truman North at October 22, 2012 09:32 PM (I2LwF)
--- It's a sock. It used the term "Democrat party." Leftards don't do that.
Posted by: mediumheadboy at October 22, 2012 09:33 PM (aHR5E)
Posted by: kinlaw at October 22, 2012 09:35 PM (uLTng)
Posted by: Truman North at October 22, 2012 09:35 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: RWC at October 22, 2012 09:35 PM (t+Sdx)
that motherfucker hasn't even been on tonight.
got my dander all up and everything.
I feel gypped.
Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 22, 2012 09:35 PM (AREf/)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 22, 2012 09:35 PM (DbhrR)
Posted by: Sassy at October 22, 2012 09:35 PM (detCI)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 09:36 PM (pX6k6)
Posted by: Sexypig at October 22, 2012 09:36 PM (jwHX3)
Posted by: Nicolo M. at October 22, 2012 09:36 PM (9ND2c)
there is only one way to tell.
The first greg that can confirm which side the wart on Obama's dick is will be deemed the real greg.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 22, 2012 09:36 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:36 PM (rpZo5)
R - "Mr. President, America has not dictated to other nations. We have freed other nations from dictators."
O - "We've got ships that go under the water."
Posted by: Vertov at October 22, 2012 09:37 PM (rRr9n)
Posted by: greg's ashamed mother at October 22, 2012 09:37 PM (8/bPb)
Posted by: Scobface at October 22, 2012 09:38 PM (IoNBC)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 09:39 PM (pX6k6)
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:40 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 22, 2012 09:41 PM (AREf/)
Posted by: Dem Voter, Low-Information and Damn Proud of It at October 22, 2012 09:41 PM (IoNBC)
Posted by: eman at October 22, 2012 09:41 PM (+XD7n)
Posted by: Tuna at October 22, 2012 09:41 PM (M/TDA)
One of the things that came up is that they know they're oversampling Democrats but because the data is so limited they have no choice. The Pew data in particular was revealing.
Richer and more educated people refused to answer polls more often. Poorer and less educated people, especially those on public assistance, were more likely to.
Hence: more Democrats, and they're getting so little information they can't weight it properly.
Its all trash, all of it; Rassmussen, PPP, all of them.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 09:41 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 22, 2012 09:42 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: Daybrother at October 22, 2012 09:44 PM (+paCV)
Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2012 09:44 PM (6LG6d)
Ok. WTF? I'm surrounded by gregs. This has to stop.
Posted by: Some paranoid guy in Wisconsin at October 22, 2012 09:44 PM (H7jIA)
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:44 PM (rpZo5)
CHAINS!
Posted by: Joe Biden. at October 22, 2012 09:45 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 09:46 PM (q5NFp)
Posted by: Joe Biden. at October 22, 2012 09:46 PM (M1gmo)
Now, I'm not saying I'm an Obama supporter. I actually lean to the right. I'm just saying that Mr. Obama has won this election.
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:47 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: Dave S. at October 22, 2012 09:47 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 09:47 PM (pX6k6)
Financial advantage: because i bought every single Obama merchandise dildo!!11!1
And Im using them at this very moment! hmmmm....
Posted by: Gregina at October 22, 2012 09:48 PM (JtCos)
Posted by: Sassy at October 22, 2012 09:48 PM (detCI)
Posted by: Nanci Pelosi at October 22, 2012 09:48 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 09:48 PM (q5NFp)
Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 22, 2012 09:49 PM (AREf/)
Or Baghdad Bob in 2003. The entire Arab world actually believed that the Iraqi conscripts, the fedayeen in their technicals, and the Republican Guard in their T-72s were defeating the Coalition.
Posted by: Llarry at October 22, 2012 09:49 PM (JgHoa)
Posted by: Some paranoid guy in Wisconsin at October 23, 2012 01:44 AM (H7jIA)
The troll greg has been quite until the last debate.
Now it's nothing but desperation.
He known it's das Götterdämmerung for the scoamf administration.
Posted by: YIKES! at October 22, 2012 09:50 PM (PlCer)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 22, 2012 09:50 PM (1zwZo)
That was a fascinating situation, and its worth a study in terms of human psychology. Raised to obey and submit, these guys basically have no category for doubting or disbelieving authorities. They are taught from infancy that authority is absolute and unquestioned and that if they are told something they don't even have the opportunity to consider questioning it's validity.
That's the negative side of Islam, like the negative side of Hinduism is to create a non-ambitious, fatalistic attitude in life. Its literally a sin to want to better yourself.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 09:52 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:47 AM (rpZo5)
I'll try to be succinct.
You are a liar.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 22, 2012 09:52 PM (8cOY0)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 09:52 PM (q5NFp)
And I'm the concerned one? Stop being silly.
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:52 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: greg at October 22, 2012 09:53 PM (pX6k6)
Greg reminds me of this guy I argued with in 2004. He was a member of "Republicans for Howard Dean".
I asked him why he was a Republican. Then I asked again. Then again. He finally left.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 22, 2012 09:53 PM (8cOY0)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 09:56 PM (q5NFp)
stop with this fairy tale unless you have a link
Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 01:56 AM (uLTng)
CBS. Doesn't count.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 09:56 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:56 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: Adam at October 22, 2012 09:57 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 09:57 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 22, 2012 09:57 PM (8cOY0)
Posted by: Benjamin Morris at October 22, 2012 09:58 PM (eIfrn)
Again, stop being silly.
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 09:58 PM (rpZo5)
They were just a way for people to get to see Romney in action, in person, and understand that he's a viable choice and not the robotic monster the Obama team is trying to paint him as. He did great at that, and so people are going "cool, OK he's a viable alternative, and I don't want Obama in there 4 more years to have "more flexibility."
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 09:58 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 22, 2012 09:59 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 09:59 PM (q5NFp)
Exactly. They're nearly perfectly analogous to leftists, which is why so many Democrats actually believe that Obama has this in the bag. They can no more comprehend a weirdo Mormon Rethuglikkkan winning than the Arab world could envision their mighty warriors losing.
I loved the aftermath to Operation Iraqi Freedom Phase I, in which there were endless articles written by shocked Arab intellectuals who couldn't believe they'd been lied to by Saddam.
They genuinely believed that a Third World army was going to defeat the western powers.
Posted by: Llarry at October 22, 2012 09:59 PM (JgHoa)
Posted by: Joe Biden at October 22, 2012 09:59 PM (+paCV)
Posted by: Adam at October 23, 2012 01:57 AM (/YJYi)
CBS pretty much has Obama winning in just about everything.
Posted by: YIKES! at October 22, 2012 09:59 PM (PlCer)
Again, stop being silly.
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:58 AM (rpZo5)
CNN has great internals for Romney. No. One. Cares. Who. Won. The. Debate. Except. You.
Didn't matter last time. Won't matter this time.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 10:00 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 10:01 PM (q5NFp)
"It's official: Obama smoked Romney. It wasn't even close."
"Dear conservatives, that sinking feeling you feel in your gut right now? It's legit."
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 10:02 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:00 AM (M1gmo)
What sealed the deal for Romney was the first debate and being an adult.
Posted by: YIKES! at October 22, 2012 10:02 PM (PlCer)
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 10:02 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:01 AM (q5NFp)"
lol, the unkindest cut of all for a troll: pity
Posted by: kinlaw at October 22, 2012 10:03 PM (uLTng)
Posted by: Sid the Lid at October 22, 2012 10:04 PM (gsmk9)
Posted by: YIKES! at October 23, 2012 02:02 AM (PlCer)
Yep. They have been playing catch up every day since then with BINDERS! BIG BIRD! WAR ON WOMEN!
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 10:04 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 10:04 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 10:04 PM (q5NFp)
They think Obama won soundly. Similar to the undecided poll by CBS.
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 10:06 PM (rpZo5)
Holy shit, what a sad little monkey you are.
Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:04 AM (q5NFp)
Even PPP found Obama losing by double digits, DOUBLE DIGITS, to Romney after the debate.
2008, Obama won independents. 2012, he loses independents to Romney.
Can't win the election. Sorry Greg.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 10:06 PM (M1gmo)
Sure, if Romney had tore into Obama or gotten angry or sarcastic, it would have destroyed him. I'm not sure its really in his nature to do any of that, but if he had - which many commenters here and elsewhere raged that he should - it would have made the Obama scare ads seem real and pushed voters away.
He was a sort of likeable Clark Kent type and that worked perfectly. I get the impression that's what he's really like, actually.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 10:07 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 10:08 PM (q5NFp)
Greg, if you tilt right as you said you do, then why are you carrying water for Obama?
Don't just be a dickless troll. For once in your life speak from the heart.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 22, 2012 10:08 PM (8cOY0)
In any case, pathetic. Seriously, I think most trolls must have some kind of personality disorder.
How much must real offline life suck for someone to resort to gregging online.
Posted by: lael at October 22, 2012 10:08 PM (solTu)
They think Obama won soundly. Similar to the undecided poll by CBS.
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:06 AM (rpZo5)
Yep. Thought that Joe Biden won soundly. And Obama won in the second debate, according to liberal nutjobs.
Yet polling does not show it unless a turnout greater than 2008 is used for Democrats.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 10:08 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 10:08 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: Bete stays up at October 22, 2012 10:08 PM (8kIXE)
You have to stop letting the TV tell you what to think. Romney's been masterful all along. He's sidestepped every single trap set for him by the Dems and the mainstream media.
I once read something that stuck with me forever. To make the best basketball player in the world miss a free throw, you don't have to knock him down. All you have to do is gently bump his elbow.
Romney has beaten nearly inconceivable odds. He's up against the entire media establishment, which has thrown off all pretense of objectivity, and he's trying to defeat The First Black President, who's a completely unprincipled bastard and liar who would've been laughed off the political stage four years ago if it weren't for his race.
Romney is corny and a member of a religion that turns off many, and yet he's clearly prevailing. He did it by playing this brilliantly.
The man is a genius. You need to relax. I knew he'd win even before the first debate, because I did my own research on his game plan and I knew that he's a big thinker, a Type A personality, a predator, and a winner.
He's got the Midas Touch, while Obama has it in reverse. Everything Obama touches turns to shit.
So cheer up.
Posted by: Llarry at October 22, 2012 10:08 PM (JgHoa)
Posted by: lael at October 22, 2012 10:10 PM (solTu)
There's no carrying Obama here. I'm only mentioning polls. I'm in no way helping his campaign. Not that he needs it.
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 10:11 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: What do you do all day if you don't watch tv, anne? at October 22, 2012 10:11 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 10:12 PM (q5NFp)
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:08 AM (rpZo5)
Yep. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. You found it out!
Not dissatisfaction with Obama. No one could feel that way.
That is why polls need to show it is going to be a D+8 or greater. Otherwise Romney WINS BIG.
Do worry that Romney is behind by 1-2 pts or TIED in polls like that? Do you worry that it takes a D+8 poll to actually GET OBAMA AHEAD???
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 10:13 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 10:13 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 22, 2012 10:13 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: kinlaw at October 22, 2012 10:14 PM (uLTng)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 22, 2012 10:14 PM (yJYwC)
Not. Worried. Now.
We will win.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 10:15 PM (M1gmo)
One thing I do know is that the Obama team isn't playing like they think they are or even can win.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 10:15 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Fox2! at October 22, 2012 10:16 PM (1Qpmy)
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 10:16 PM (rpZo5)
He's a "true conservative"...like Sully.
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 22, 2012 10:18 PM (sAUVA)
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:16 AM (rpZo5)
Sad, pathetic, little thing. No, just no.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 10:18 PM (M1gmo)
Obama needed to do three things tonight: energize the liberal base, stop bleeding independents, and force Romney into a major gaffe.
He might've succeeded at energizing the base a little, but the reactions of Chris Matthews et. al suggest that maybe he didn't. He failed at preserving independent support, as the PPP poll cited above shows. And Romney wouldn't let himself be goaded into a gaffe; in fact, Obama suffered a few gaffes himself trying.
In terms of campaign objectives, Romney was the clear winner tonight.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 22, 2012 10:19 PM (RLZvP)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 10:19 PM (q5NFp)
Mitt Romney now leads Barack Obama 49-47 based on the last 3 nights of our national tracking, all pre-debate though
LOL
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 10:19 PM (M1gmo)
see, funny as hell
let me give you a hint, scooter pie, D+2 will be a great success for the dems
and that is growing unlikelier by the day
Posted by: kinlaw at October 22, 2012 10:19 PM (uLTng)
{checking calender}
Yep, its not 2008 anymore. Hope and Change turned into old and busted.
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 22, 2012 10:20 PM (sAUVA)
Posted by: Gerggle at October 22, 2012 10:20 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 22, 2012 10:20 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 10:20 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: The Political Hat (@ThePoliticalHat) at October 22, 2012 10:21 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 22, 2012 10:21 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 10:22 PM (q5NFp)
Well, except for the fact that Romney has steadily chipped away at what was once Obama's double-digit lead.
Now, the Poll of Polls shows Obama with only a three-point lead. Since the poll doesn't have a margin of error, Romney could actually be leading.
http://tinyurl.com/8rnxfnl
Posted by: Llarry at October 22, 2012 10:22 PM (JgHoa)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 22, 2012 10:23 PM (sZTYJ)
He has to have the same level of understanding of the military that the average sixth grader does to think making snarky comments like that are a way for him to show his superiority. I was truly embarrassed for him. Normally I just hate him but that made me cringe like he had just soiled himself on stage.
And it was illogical and non-responsive snark to boot. It is like someone saying that we are short on bowls and Obama berating them by telling them that we have these new things called plates so we don't need bowls anymore. Plates are wonderful things but they aren't much damn help when your mission calls for soup. Aircraft carriers are fine until you need to move a division and all of its gear etc...
And aircraft carriers and submarines are hardly the new innovations he made them out to be.
Obama really is a stupid fucker... there is just no getting around that fact. Ignorance can be treated but stupidity is incurable.
Posted by: Voluble at October 22, 2012 10:23 PM (qYvEa)
And I think there's some psychological need in the left to be part of the cool kids and in the crowd, so being polled makes them feel important and special. On the right, its an obnoxious interference with our lives and work.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 10:24 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 10:25 PM (q5NFp)
To me, that's the biggest weakness of Romney's campaign. I understand why he's doing it, but it makes him seem directionless and it doesn't show very much leadership. He's too vague, too without specifics, and too general rather than having a bold, strong direction and agenda. It means he'll have no real mandate as such when he wins; he'll just be the guy we wanted instead of Obama.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 10:25 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:20 AM (rpZo5)
Yeah, it seems as if they are getting more Republican all the time!
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 10:26 PM (M1gmo)
Completely disagree. His unifying vision is that the U.S. economy needs to be repaired first, and from there everything else will stem.
He articulated that thought clearly and often, and I'm sure it resonated with the average voter.
Posted by: Llarry at October 22, 2012 10:26 PM (JgHoa)
Over the past year, Democrats having been polling better on weekends. The only available time that most hardworking Americans have.
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 10:27 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: President Obama at October 22, 2012 10:27 PM (9ND2c)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 10:28 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 22, 2012 10:29 PM (RLZvP)
Yeah but how? That's like coming out against wife beating, everyone wants the US economy to be repaired, everyone wants jobs back. That's not leadership, its just articulation of everyone's basic concern. The only reason President Obama is avoiding that is because it focuses attention on how rotten things are now after 4 years in office.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 10:30 PM (r4wIV)
To me, that's the biggest weakness of Romney's campaign. I understand why he's doing it, but it makes him seem directionless and it doesn't show very much leadership. He's too vague, too without specifics, and too general rather than having a bold, strong direction and agenda. It means he'll have no real mandate as such when he wins; he'll just be the guy we wanted instead of Obama.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:25 AM (r4wIV)
Have you guys been listening to Romney during the debates?
He clearly has stated that they are going to reform Medicare and SS. Those two are the biggest ones of our problems right now. He also stated getting rid of redundant programs should be a priority. Reform the tax code. Sounds pretty specific to me (For a president).
They can't write the laws, so why give so much detail which could be used against you later as a broken promise.
The only thing he can do specifically is what concerns foreign policy and executive order stuff.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 10:30 PM (M1gmo)
Silly CAC.
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 10:30 PM (rpZo5)
Silly CAC.
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:30 AM (rpZo5)
Right. Uh huh.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 10:32 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Ohio Native at October 22, 2012 10:32 PM (ypzqs)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 10:33 PM (q5NFp)
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 10:34 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Truman North at October 22, 2012 10:34 PM (I2LwF)
That should mean Harry Reid is thrown out on his ear, but then Nancy Pelosi was elected minority leader after losing the house in a massive, historic landslide.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 10:34 PM (r4wIV)
So so you're the "right leaning" kind of guy, who calls other right leaners "wingnuts?
see how silly you are
this is too much fun
Posted by: kinlaw at October 22, 2012 10:35 PM (uLTng)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 22, 2012 10:35 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 10:36 PM (q5NFp)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 23, 2012 02:35 AM (SzAZ7)
Nah. I bet she put on 5 pounds.
Posted by: buzzion at October 22, 2012 10:38 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 10:38 PM (r4wIV)
To conclude for tonight: But Obama is up 20 on Intrade!!!!
Wrong. He's winning by more than that.
You know the result on 6 November. Deal with it.
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 10:38 PM (rpZo5)
That leaves us with 51/49. We keep Heller in NV and Mourdock in IN. We pick up Allen in VA. That's 50/50 w/ Ryan as tie breaker.
I think we get OH and FL. We probably get WI. Probably drag Akin over the finish line.
Not to mention McMahon in CT...
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 10:39 PM (M1gmo)
You really think she's going to win!! OMGWTFBBQ
Now I'm really leaving.
Posted by: Greg at October 22, 2012 10:42 PM (rpZo5)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 22, 2012 10:42 PM (RLZvP)
It doesn't matter anyway, the Democrats will just filibuster every single action. Any attempt to cut anything or reform anything will be met with total solidarity and lockstep opposition.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 10:42 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 10:44 PM (q5NFp)
Posted by: Berserker at October 22, 2012 10:44 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Scarra at October 22, 2012 10:46 PM (cYZlQ)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 10:47 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Sid the Lid at October 22, 2012 10:48 PM (gsmk9)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at October 22, 2012 10:48 PM (RLZvP)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 22, 2012 10:48 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 10:48 PM (q5NFp)
It doesn't matter anyway, the Democrats will just filibuster every single action. Any attempt to cut anything or reform anything will be met with total solidarity and lockstep opposition.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:42 AM (r4wIV)
Okay, if Akin wins, we just need Allen in VA to get to 50 even if we LOSE in MA and ME.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 10:49 PM (M1gmo)
you sound very concerned.
I am not confident Brown will win in Massachusetts. He really ought to, his opponent is terrible and her campaign is in tatters, but its Mass, and they reelected Murtha, Kennedy, and Frank like 87 times each.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 10:51 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: muckdog at October 22, 2012 10:51 PM (aZxcE)
Posted by: VJay at October 22, 2012 10:51 PM (q5NFp)
If the control of the Senate meant the bills got passed, perhaps people would be LESS willing to support Democrat Senators. Too many people can be like John Kerry and have it both ways. No more filibuster means straight up or down votes.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 10:52 PM (M1gmo)
Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:51 AM
Huge truth in that.
Posted by: Berserker at October 22, 2012 10:54 PM (FMbng)
That alone would seriously cut back on the use of it, plus it would look really, really bad on camera.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 10:54 PM (r4wIV)
Reforming entitlements, freeing up energy exploitation, easing government regulation on businesses, getting rid of most of Dodd-Frank, repealing Obamacare...
He's been very specific. I just don't get this "He's been vague" thing. It's like we've been watching two different Romneys.
Posted by: Llarry at October 22, 2012 10:54 PM (JgHoa)
Posted by: Private No Class Obama at October 22, 2012 10:55 PM (SzAZ7)
That alone would seriously cut back on the use of it, plus it would look really, really bad on camera.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:54 AM (r4wIV)
True.
Well, night all. Can't wait to see what the polling shows over the next few days. If Romney keeps the lead, expect the Senate to move with us.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 22, 2012 10:55 PM (M1gmo)
That's not exactly true, though, because you'd have immediately listed that instead of "fix the economy" first.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2012 10:56 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: gerg at October 22, 2012 10:58 PM (SUlmX)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 22, 2012 10:58 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 22, 2012 11:00 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: Gergacus at October 22, 2012 11:00 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: kakypat at October 22, 2012 11:00 PM (HUXet)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at October 22, 2012 11:04 PM (TT0X5)
@533 I don't think Obama has a chance of losing Ohio. Like I've said many times, he's leading every single poll. And D+8 is absolutely fair. That was the sample in '08, and Obama has put tons of resources into the state this year. Along with the fact that polling itself today slants Republican because it requires landlines.
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Ahahah. Bro, I'm gonna miss you after Nov. 7th because I'm sure as shit you will not be here after your guy loses. But seriously, I'm gonna miss gems like "polling itself slants Republican."
Posted by: Rich at October 22, 2012 11:09 PM (pnHKr)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 22, 2012 11:09 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 22, 2012 11:11 PM (SzAZ7)
Okay, if Akin wins, we just need Allen in VA to get to 50 even if we LOSE in MA and ME
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North Dakota, Nebraska, Montana, Wisconsin, Virginia. These are our best bets for pick-ups. If we lose MA, it gets us to 50, which is good enough.
Posted by: Rich at October 22, 2012 11:12 PM (pnHKr)
Posted by: Rich at October 22, 2012 11:14 PM (pnHKr)
OK, I just watched it again (without distractions this time).
Romney was very steady, professional, and presidential the entire time. Obama sputtered at times, and had only three things to say:
1) Everything is much better in the world, thanks to me (when everybody knows that everything isn't great.
2) Romney keeps lying (when evrybody is probably starting to figure out who the real liar is).
3) I was left with a big mess, and if you re-elect a Republican again, that's going back to the same policies that"got us into this mess in the first place" (which is just his "blaming Bush" redux).
Obama even got insulting at one point, trying to accuse Romney of living in the past (i.e., the Cold War).
But another thing I remember is when he spoke of a girl he spoke to at ground zero. Did you guys notice how completely devoid of empathy and compassion he had for her? He was happy to use his few moments with her to try to score a few political points, but was not moved by her story in the slightest - it's just another reason to pat himself on the back. (It's the NPD - people with it lack empathy).
Yeah, get used to saying "President Romney".
Posted by: Optimizer at October 22, 2012 11:20 PM (R4cjW)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at October 22, 2012 11:24 PM (TT0X5)
Good work, Optimizer.
So many new and vibrant aspect of a debate are drawn out when seen a second time.
Some will argue that such observations are all but useless because most debate-watchers only watch once and won't notice the critical nuances you've detected.
But this is wrongheaded for a very important reason: There is no such thing as the "average" single debate-watcher. Rather, there are millions upon millions of average debate watchers. So the critical nuances you detect by observing the debate a second time are always detected by some significant percentage of those layers of millions of watchers.
In other words: Romney's generally superior performance generally registers as preferable over Obama's generally inferior performance.
And we don't need polls to confirm this. (Though they tend to.)
By watching the debate a second time, often we can determine who was clearly the better. Like you, I make a point to watch all debates a second time.
Clear and obvious Leader and all around Winner: Romney.
Posted by: _Dave_ at October 22, 2012 11:31 PM (J+Q+d)
Posted by: Joey Biden at October 22, 2012 11:36 PM (8/bPb)
"587 And Akin in Missouri. He's going to win, despite the hysteria a few weeks ago here and around America. But I still don't think it will add up enough for the Republicans to actually get a majority in the Senate...."
That's encouraging about MO, but I think you're miscalculating the odds of a Republican majority. Suppose we lose MA and ME, for the moment, but we will also pick up NE and ND. That's 47.
But, there's also roughly a 50/50 chance of wins in 6 other races: OH, VA, WI, MT, MA, and FL. Odds are, we get about 1/2 of those, which brings us to 50. There's also a less-than-even chance for CT, MI, and (I'd say) MO.
The odds of <50 are about 25%, the odds of 50 are about 25%, and the odds of >50% are about 50%. But if we're getting MO, as you say, the odds of getting at least 50 are great!
Posted by: Optimizer at October 22, 2012 11:38 PM (R4cjW)
Take home message out of the debate:
Obama giving desperate shout outs to Michigan, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania.
Enough said.
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 22, 2012 11:41 PM (RstsB)
Posted by: TLGM at October 22, 2012 11:42 PM (appbn)
"We know that Pakistan has arrested the doctor who helped us catch Obama bin Laden," Schieffer said. "It still provides safe haven for terrorists, yet we continue to give Pakistan billions of dollars. Is it time for us to divorce Pakistan?"
Posted by: Verdad at October 22, 2012 11:46 PM (65nBk)
Posted by: Rich at October 22, 2012 11:51 PM (pnHKr)
Posted by: Jean at October 22, 2012 11:58 PM (ytax8)
Posted by: Jean at October 22, 2012 11:59 PM (ytax8)
Posted by: Ohiovoter at October 23, 2012 12:04 AM (AkFx3)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 23, 2012 12:44 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at October 23, 2012 12:53 AM (ogdab)
Posted by: Mekan at October 23, 2012 01:25 AM (T/L2Z)
Posted by: Interested Party at October 23, 2012 01:25 AM (m0wZz)
Is it possible that the Senate remaining in Dem hands actually helps Romney, allowing "soft Dem" voters to vote for him knowing that he'll be on a tighter leash?
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 23, 2012 02:08 AM (RstsB)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 23, 2012 02:23 AM (+tqYo)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 23, 2012 02:26 AM (+tqYo)
Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 02:30 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: George Orwell at October 23, 2012 02:37 AM (feFL6)
But he is a centrist.
Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 02:41 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: TheGAGLine at October 23, 2012 02:41 AM (EXZZI)
Posted by: edj at October 23, 2012 02:44 AM (3ryAQ)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 23, 2012 02:51 AM (+tqYo)
Posted by: shelby at October 23, 2012 02:54 AM (TKaeM)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 23, 2012 02:55 AM (+tqYo)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 23, 2012 06:51 AM (+tqYo)
Only when it deals with Israel
Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 02:55 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: shelby at October 23, 2012 06:54 AM
I do. I think that sexy, handsome Barry Obama guy is the greatest ever.
Posted by: B. Harry O'bama at October 23, 2012 03:04 AM (yBF/9)
Romney = New York Giants
One guy wins head to head, but the other guy wins the thing that matters the most
Posted by: The Q at October 23, 2012 12:11 AM (B/yDO)
according to that analogy, that means one guy is very prone to fumbling the nuclear football.
Posted by: Bratticus Wurst at October 23, 2012 03:19 AM (0mFdy)
I watched it on ABC, and in the split screen, Romney's camera was shaking while Obama was talking, usually around the time Obama was wrapping up his statement. It was like they were trying to make Romney look nervous or agitated. Very subtle. And Romney appeared to be smaller in the split screen too, like the camera was not focused quite as close to him as Obama.
Obama kept making annoying interjections,and saynig, "Bob...Bob.......Bob". When he wasn't doing that, he would stare at Schieffer as if that was Schieffer's cue to let him interrupt Romney. Petulant.
Romney brilliantly deflected the hypothetical "Israel calls to say they're bombing Iran", although it was such an obvious "Gotcha" setup that any good politician could sidestep that freight train.
Posted by: 66chevelle at October 23, 2012 03:20 AM (QjSgY)
Posted by: JB at October 23, 2012 12:14 AM (xVcWj)
He's gonna put on fifty pounds, grow a mini 'fro like he had in high school, and choom around Hawaii on a golf cart with Bobby Titcomb.
Posted by: 66chevelle at October 23, 2012 03:28 AM (QjSgY)
Rombley had a larger strategy while TFG was small.
I also think that if Rombley made the present-ident look to small, it could embolden more attacks where we have disarmed marines and seals.
Rombley did it for the troops.
Posted by: sTevo at October 23, 2012 03:57 AM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 05:21 AM (LTbLf)
On the question of who was qualified to be Commander in Chief: 60% said Romney was.
63% said Obama was.
Math moves #foward.
{and why do comments keep going to the wrong posts?)
Posted by: Gerry at October 23, 2012 05:24 AM (OY1go)
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