August 16, 2012
— Ace One I already mentioned -- Wisconsin. The other two are Florida and Pennsylvania.
In Florida...
Also, according to the poll 48 percent say they fear Obama's health care law more than Ryan's Medicare proposal, while 41 percent say the opposite.
In Pennsylvania, it's 44-38 Obama, but when you add in leaners, it's 47-42 Obama. The Atlantic calls that a "caveat," whereas I'd call it an intensification (of the notion that Romney/Ryan are competitive there).
It's too early to do that "give 3/4ths of all undecided voters to the challenger," still (that rule applies in the last two weeks of the campaign). But... even with leaners, only 47% would vote for the incumbent.
Allah has good post on the Whiteboard Advantage. This gets at an idea I pitched a while ago -- Romney should record 3 one hour seminars on basic economics and policy. The point isn't so much that people watch them, so much as they hear Romney is competent enough, and willing to discuss the issues enough, to record 3 hours of economics lessons.
The whiteboard is better. Same idea though: Look. I'm good with these abstract concepts and want to explain them to you. Virginia Postrel is reminded of Ross Perot's televised seminars on the debt. It's not just that people agree with you when they hear your argument. It's that they also appreciate being treated like a grownup and having some arcane points spelled out for them.
I don't want to steal Allah's post but he's on this wavelength:
Pulling out the white board does two things for him. One: It engages voters on policy on a level that rhetoric canÂ’t. ItÂ’s essentially a visual cue for seriousness. If RomneyÂ’s committed to winning the Medicare debate, he needs to convince voters that the war of words with Obama isnÂ’t election fingerpointing as usual but a real argument over hugely consequential policy differences. The better he is at conveying that, the more the public will resist liberal Mediscaring, I think. Two: It builds on the new identity RomneyÂ’s forged for himself as a policy wonk by picking Ryan as VP. I flagged that in my very first post after Ryan was announced: It felt like, until last week, MittÂ’s campaign had been about nothing in particular except how bad ObamaÂ’s been on the economy. Now, suddenly, heÂ’s an entitlement reformer par excellence, bold enough that heÂ’s actually willing to bust out a de facto blackboard for his cause.
Karl Rove agrees that the Democrats really should have read ObamaCare before passing it to find out what's in it. They are vulnerable on Medicare. And if you don't believe him, Jay Cost agrees.
My previous thought had been campaigns wouldn't matter much; that the trajectory of the election was already determined by the economy, and that Romney was ergo destined to win. Sure, people still have to cast their votes, I reasoned, but we know, for a fact, the great bulk of the factors that will shape their decision. And those factors do not presage well for Obama.
Beginning last Friday, I began to lose my confidence; after all, one can only stand on a prediction for so long without seeing supporting evidence (such as poll movement). Kind of hard to just keep repeating a theory while not seeing any evidence for it.
But now I'm feeling confident again, and revising my thought that "the campaign won't matter much:" This campaign could matter, and turn a 52-47 loss for Obama into a 56-43 landslide for Romney. (I know, the numbers didn't change much; but the little difference matters.)
But that's getting ahead of ourselves. We'll have to see how it plays, but right now I think the Democrats are panicking once again. Previously, they panicked; but they always knew they had the MediScare card in up their sleeve, ready to be played.
And it turns out they had it trumped and played back on them. So now what? That was their backstopper, that was their Plan A (and also their Plan B, and Plan C).
If that's out, what do they have? Run on gay marriage?
You know who's not panicking? Chris Matthews. You know why? Because he's stupid and doesn't follow the news very much.
This might be a tea leaf too far, but you know when you've got the wind in your sails? When you're loose and joking around. When you have them on the defensive, ridiculing them.
That's just a feeling. Our optimism could be ill-founded. And yet, there's a reason for it. It didn't just come out of nowhere.
And forgive the use of this word, but when even the Washington Post is calling Joe Biden fundamentally unserious, he's becoming -- become? -- Palinized. He's a liability, and Obama's got a shit-ton of liabilities on his hands already.
I do not believe he will be on the ticket.
Combine that with silly-shit desperation moves like this -- the White House criticizing the Ryan plan for not balancing the budget fast enough for their liking-- and it sure seems that one side is making first downs and the other side is coming apart.
Cascade? What I was getting at in my prediction was the idea of the preference cascade. I've been predicting it for, oh, two and a half years now. I'm still waiting. Hence, my waning confidence.
And just as I was publishing I checked my email. JackStraw sends this as evidence of the tipping point tipping over.
Radford bakery that turned Biden away sells out of 'freedom cookies'The viral reaction to Chris the Baker shows the continuing resonance of "You didn't build that" in the presidential campaign.
Another such sign, a direction arrow if you will, is here.
Speaking of that, I was talking to a friend. He wanted to know my take. I basically told him most of the stuff you just read (except this was before my confidence was restored).
I mentioned that what I always want to hear about is how this is playing in the real world, not with partisans, but you know, average joes who don't follow this stuff.
He sent this -- check out comment 2.
Even Crabby Brokedown Dave Letterman: Even he thinks Biden is the new Palin.
Letterman: TheyÂ’re saying Paul Ryan could be a big boost for the Republican ticket. Hey, Joe Biden is a big boost for the Republican ticket.
via @ahmalcom
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"Beginning last Friday, I began to lose my confidence; after all, one can only stand on a prediction for so long without seeing supporting evidence (such as poll movement). Kind of hard to just keep repeating a theory while not seeing any evidence for it."
Ace is obviously just a troll in Axelrod's pay. Everyone knows Romney is and always has been invincible.
Posted by: CJK at August 16, 2012 04:17 PM (XGZYX)
Posted by: #ThingsToureThinksare Racist at August 16, 2012 04:17 PM (3ZUNT)
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 16, 2012 04:17 PM (/RS2M)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at August 16, 2012 04:17 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: tasker at August 16, 2012 04:17 PM (r2PLg)
not that I'm hungry or anything....
CBS knew....I told YOU BOSS!
CBS called Obama and said "oh shit do you know what's coming?"
Posted by: sven10077 at August 16, 2012 04:18 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: JonathanEllis at August 16, 2012 04:19 PM (BdzEV)
Posted by: wheatie at August 16, 2012 08:17 PM (mtRB0)
Yes! He is discussing Medicare after all.....
Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2012 04:19 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 16, 2012 04:19 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: Mitt Romney, With Only A Little Barbequed Brown Baby On His Breath at August 16, 2012 04:20 PM (VMcoS)
Posted by: Lady in Black at August 16, 2012 04:20 PM (lTVJy)
Posted by: lowandslow at August 16, 2012 04:20 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 16, 2012 04:21 PM (/RS2M)
Posted by: Mitt Romney, With Only A Little Barbequed Brown Baby On His Breath at August 16, 2012 04:21 PM (VMcoS)
TurboTaxcheat Timmy Geithner
That really sums up their position, doesn't it?
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 16, 2012 04:22 PM (ccXZP)
"We need to have a serious presidential campaign," Obama tells People, Entertainment Tonight, TMZ, Gawker
Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2012 04:22 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 16, 2012 04:23 PM (/RS2M)
7....lmao--damn it which muppet is that?
Posted by: tasker at August 16, 2012 08:17 PM (r2PLg)
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Beaker?
He's got a funny sounding voice.
Posted by: wheatie at August 16, 2012 04:23 PM (mtRB0)
Posted by: Mary Jane Rottencrotch at August 16, 2012 04:24 PM (uPgsy)
Posted by: Mitt Romney, With Only A Little Barbequed Brown Baby On His Breath at August 16, 2012 04:24 PM (VMcoS)
Posted by: archie goodwin at August 16, 2012 04:24 PM (ctjsq)
Posted by: steevy at August 16, 2012 04:24 PM (6o4Fb)
I doubt many people are big on Romney as president, they're big on Obama NOT being president. And the better Romney makes himself look, the more they move into his column instead of the nObama column.
But we'll see I guess.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 16, 2012 04:24 PM (r4wIV)
I am going down to buy some cookies and shake his hand.
Posted by: sTevo at August 16, 2012 04:24 PM (VMcEw)
One thing I really like about the last two sets of GOP candidates for president and vice-president--even the dreaded McCain: they all have more than 2.0 children. That says something about all of them; that they have hope for the future.
Posted by: baldilocks at August 16, 2012 04:25 PM (6kWFm)
Does the Ryan plan balance the budget faster than... NEVER?!
Yes, yes it does.
Now go get your shinebox!
Posted by: Romney and his racist White Board at August 16, 2012 04:25 PM (znC+7)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 16, 2012 04:26 PM (RxrPh)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 16, 2012 04:27 PM (d5fLT)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 16, 2012 04:27 PM (RxrPh)
A couple examples; my cousin, who would be considered a low information conservative, is completely for Romney and just from what little attention he's been paying he can't wait for November to get here. His girlfriend is pretty much apolitical, pays almost no attention to politics at all. She saw something about Obama's "you didn't build this" speech when flipping channels and looked it up on the internet and was incensed. They both don't understand the hating on the successful. There are other people I've talked to who've expressed similar opinions as well.
Then again, I live in Georgia so it probably wouldn't matter if the people I know who don't usually care about politics still didn't. I'm hoping though this is representative of people around the country.
Posted by: Adam at August 16, 2012 04:27 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 16, 2012 04:28 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 16, 2012 04:28 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: MassIdeas at August 16, 2012 04:28 PM (d08VD)
Posted by: tasker at August 16, 2012 04:29 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at August 16, 2012 04:29 PM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 16, 2012 04:29 PM (j1gX1)
And I'm afraid the news is bad on Air Force One, too. We're keeping it.
Posted by: Mitt Romney, With Only A Little Barbequed Brown Baby On His Breath at August 16, 2012 04:29 PM (VMcoS)
We are just one week into the Ryan pick. We have no idea how it is going to play out in the long term just like we had no idea how Paln would turn out a week after she was picked. The theory on our side is that it will actually put Obama on the defensive. I'm not so sure. I'm thinking that during and after the Dem convention they are really going to hit us hard on entitlements and the spoon-fed undecideds are either going to back the Dems on instinct (because they are historically the handout party) or listen to bogus "fact checkers" who will declare Obama is right.
This is the problem. The game is already rigged against us, we have to run and expert campaign just to stay even. And I'm not confident Romney is doing that when he constantly plays into the other side's hands. Do you think Obama would rather be talking about the economy, or Medicare?
Posted by: CJK at August 16, 2012 04:30 PM (XGZYX)
Posted by: DangerGirl at August 16, 2012 04:30 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: nevada-ette at August 16, 2012 04:30 PM (tEe1I)
@iowahawkblog
"We need to have a serious presidential campaign," Obama tells People, Entertainment Tonight, TMZ, Gawker
Obama's idea of a serious campaign is "I Won"
Posted by: mallfly at August 16, 2012 04:30 PM (bJm7W)
Beaker doesn't really speak...
lots of 'Mi mi mi' and stuff like that.
I think only Dr. Honeydew knows what he's saying. If I remember my muppets correctly, that is.
Posted by: garrett at August 16, 2012 04:30 PM (3ZUNT)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at August 16, 2012 04:31 PM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at August 16, 2012 04:31 PM (yJYwC)
Posted by: In before the troll at August 16, 2012 04:31 PM (Rhie+)
some guesses --
Some of Mitt's key staff are accused of various fictitious crimes just to keep them busy till after the Nov.
Further threats to press that if they want to have a job access next year, they had better report the right "facts"
More sops to special interests. Lets see, Free tutoring to school age children paid by massive federal transfer to local school districts, More innovative mortgage support or even rent support ideas. Maybe gas vouchers - most tyrants resort to them to buy off citizens.
Posted by: endeavor to persevere at August 16, 2012 04:32 PM (zZJJp)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 16, 2012 04:33 PM (d5fLT)
Posted by: CDR M at August 16, 2012 04:33 PM (dKV5k)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 16, 2012 04:34 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 16, 2012 04:34 PM (d5fLT)
Posted by: ace at August 16, 2012 04:34 PM (fxHyG)
@ tasker
Beaker....singing.
http:/ /www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAtBki0PsC0&feature=youtube_gdata
The pop-up remarks on this are hilarious.
Posted by: wheatie at August 16, 2012 04:34 PM (mtRB0)
That is a really good point. We need leaders of the future. I think they're in the military that's served in the war and in the home schooled legions. Some small sliver of hope, maybe.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 16, 2012 04:34 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: soothsayer at August 16, 2012 04:34 PM (KreG+)
Posted by: Mary Jane Rottencrotch at August 16, 2012 04:34 PM (uPgsy)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 16, 2012 04:34 PM (Rhie+)
Well, it seems to have lost Obama FL, so the Romney strategy of kicking the legs out from under Obama's stool one at a time seems to be working.
YCTMV - (Your Concern Trolling May Vary)
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 16, 2012 04:34 PM (/RS2M)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at August 16, 2012 08:17 PM (Gk3SS
honestly that is one of the best comments i've read today .
it is so true!
Posted by: willow at August 16, 2012 04:35 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 16, 2012 04:35 PM (RxrPh)
hot damn
Posted by: kelley in virginia at August 16, 2012 04:35 PM (p3a8+)
Krauthammer
http://bit.ly/RlrsXl
Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 16, 2012 04:35 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Mitt Romney, With Only A Little Barbequed Brown Baby On His Breath at August 16, 2012 04:36 PM (VMcoS)
Posted by: willow at August 16, 2012 04:36 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: The Q at August 16, 2012 04:36 PM (B/yDO)
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 16, 2012 04:36 PM (xm1A1)
"The whiteboard is better. Same idea though: Look. I'm good with these abstract concepts and want to explain them to you."
Was not there a hard-bodied hottie that has already done this? Can we get her on the ticket?
Posted by: Cicero Kid at August 16, 2012 04:36 PM (3maBk)
I remain just a tiny bit lukewarm to Romney as POTUS, because I would've preferred a much more Conservative candidate. HOWEVER, with that said, I am 100% behind him now. He got my money, will get more, and will get my vote. I really like the Ryan pick. It gives us a great candidate for 2020. I remember the 12 years of Reagan/Bush with great fondness. I think 16 years of Romney/Ryan might just turn this completely around. I am especially encouraged that the two of them seem able to go right over the press the way Reagan did.
Posted by: Will Be Taking Applications and Assimilating The Love-slaves at August 16, 2012 04:37 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 16, 2012 04:37 PM (P6QsQ)
Contra Lowry, this is not France 1914. This is France 1940. Losing a campaign we really have no business losing by playing into the enemy's hands.
Posted by: CJK at August 16, 2012 04:37 PM (XGZYX)
You know, I don't think that guy in Broken Arrow believed the President, when he said "I was taken out of context." ;-)
Posted by: Optimizer at August 16, 2012 04:38 PM (As94z)
Posted by: FU52 at August 16, 2012 04:38 PM (NYXC6)
Expect the vitriol to get more intense after the conventions... and during the debates.
I want to see Ryan make Biden his personal bytch during their debate...
Posted by: Mjölnir, the Banhammer from Hell at August 16, 2012 04:38 PM (Jls4P)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 16, 2012 04:38 PM (j1gX1)
>>Why is Florida considered a swing state? That's mighty depressing.
I know, right?
Just look at a map.
It's clearly dangling, not swinging.
Posted by: garrett at August 16, 2012 04:38 PM (3ZUNT)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 16, 2012 04:39 PM (d5fLT)
Posted by: Dave S. at August 16, 2012 04:39 PM (UvR6d)
Expect the violence to get more intense after the conventions too....
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 16, 2012 04:40 PM (/RS2M)
Fill in the blanks.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 16, 2012 08:34 PM (d5fLT)
Yup, this one here is a kitty. I like drawing kitties. Puppies too, but, still kitties are best.
Posted by: Will Be Taking Applications and Assimilating The Love-slaves at August 16, 2012 04:40 PM (kXoT0)
Hume: How many years will it take to balance the budget under your plan?
Ryan: What?
Ryan should have said "How the fuck do I know? Tell you what Brit you tell me what the specific economic growth rate is, the tax revenue as a percentage of GDP, the exact cost of the military rebuild up will be, the exact cost of neutering Iran and when we have to do it, the exact rate healthcare costs will rise, the exact amount the courts will allow the government to reorganize benefit packages and about a thousand other things for the next ten years and I can give you a ballpark estimate plus or minus five years when we can balance it you stupid fuck."
Posted by: lowandslow at August 16, 2012 04:40 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 16, 2012 04:40 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Y-not at August 16, 2012 04:40 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 16, 2012 04:40 PM (RxrPh)
Posted by: Mary Jane Rottencrotch at August 16, 2012 04:40 PM (uPgsy)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 16, 2012 04:40 PM (Rhie+)
Posted by: Craig Poe at August 16, 2012 04:41 PM (BVkEs)
"You didn't build that"
Add three more.
Then just one line, white text on a black background:
"And they think Joe's the problem?"
Posted by: JEM at August 16, 2012 04:41 PM (o+SC1)
who in the hell is this "we" the Nazis have a candidate?
Dude I'm an American come here embrace our system and creed be productive follow your dreams and you are my brother....
the DNC is 7 levels of hell down
Posted by: sven10077 at August 16, 2012 04:41 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: bluerose75 at August 16, 2012 04:41 PM (HDcKc)
"... The whiteboard is better. Same idea though: Look. I'm good with these abstract concepts and want to explain them to you. ..."
Seriously? Man, I should have GROUPIES by now...
Really, though. Isn't that the sort of thing he could delegate to his new VP sidekick? Or does it have to come from the Big Guy?
Posted by: Optimizer at August 16, 2012 04:41 PM (As94z)
Posted by: Mitt Romney, With Only A Little Barbequed Brown Baby On His Breath at August 16, 2012 04:41 PM (VMcoS)
What does it say?
Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 16, 2012 08:37 PM (P6QsQ)
You didn't build that sandwich.
Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2012 04:42 PM (X6akg)
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Beaker doesn't really speak...
lots of 'Mi mi mi' and stuff like that.
I think only Dr. Honeydew knows what he's saying. If I remember my muppets correctly, that is.
Posted by: garrett at August 16, 2012 08:30 PM (3ZUNT)
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True.
But that's what made me think of him as...Toure.
It's like Toure has one word...'racist'...and he applies it to everything.
Posted by: wheatie at August 16, 2012 04:42 PM (mtRB0)
Posted by: Thorvald at August 16, 2012 04:42 PM (1V6Pv)
That must be GOP code for "sucking the Barbed Cock of Satan"
Posted by: Mjölnir, the Banhammer from Hell at August 16, 2012 04:43 PM (Jls4P)
Posted by: Mountainturtle at August 16, 2012 04:44 PM (8JJcY)
The important part is the "apolitical" state of mind of your sister.
Posted by: ace at August 16, 2012 08:34 PM (fxHyG)
Is that a shot at me because I live in Georgia or an honest mistake?
Posted by: Adam at August 16, 2012 04:45 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 16, 2012 04:45 PM (d5fLT)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 16, 2012 04:46 PM (GEICT)
And forgive the use of this word, but when even the Washington Post is calling Joe Biden fundamentally unserious, he's becoming -- become? -- Palinized. He's a liability, and Obama's got a shit-ton of liabilities on his hands already.
Obama is in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation with Biden. If he keeps him, he'll be a liability and an easy target for the GOP all throughout the rest of the campaign, if he dumps him, he'll be seen as weak and desperate.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 16, 2012 04:46 PM (xm1A1)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at August 16, 2012 04:47 PM (Ho2rs)
Romney Taaaaaaaaax Waaaaaaaatch.
And Seamuuuuuuuuuuusssssssssssssssssssssss.
And Rafaaaaaaaaalcaaaaaaaaaaa.
That should do it.
Posted by: Dr. Chinless's Patented Swing State Elixir at August 16, 2012 04:47 PM (QjSgY)
perhaps the Florida appendage will turn itself rght sde up and resemble a middle finger to the left ideas this year.
Posted by: willow at August 16, 2012 04:47 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Mountainturtle at August 16, 2012 04:47 PM (8JJcY)
Posted by: General Woundwort at August 16, 2012 04:47 PM (DWgdc)
Posted by: Will Be Taking Applications and Assimilating The Love-slaves at August 16, 2012 04:48 PM (kXoT0)
I've been saying that Romney will take PA if tbe voter ID law is upheld. So far so good!
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at August 16, 2012 04:48 PM (yJYwC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 16, 2012 04:48 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 16, 2012 04:48 PM (1grxW)
Posted by: Adam at August 16, 2012 08:45 PM (/YJYi)
Did you read what he wrote next?
"I like hearing about the apolitical voters. At this point, this is
mostly about them (although Romney has actually galvanized the
conservative base, AND many libertarian voters, AND the
pseudo-intellectual educated moderate voters, with the ryan pick).
"
Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2012 04:49 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: nickless at August 16, 2012 04:49 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Mary Jane Rottencrotch at August 16, 2012 04:49 PM (uPgsy)
Posted by: willow at August 16, 2012 04:49 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: CJK at August 16, 2012 08:17 PM (XGZYX)
You are dumber than slow Joe Biden.
Posted by: Killerdog at August 16, 2012 04:49 PM (CZrbJ)
I hope he does the reasonable thing and works with the Democrats."
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The whole point of putting Ryan on the ticket was to GIVE him a mandate. Tell the people what you are going to do, why you are going to do it, and how you are going to do it. Then, when they elect you, you DO IT.
This is the mandate. They are saying "We are going to do this. If you want us to, check YES."
It will then be up to the Democrats to work with THEM. Not the other way around.
Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 16, 2012 04:49 PM (P6QsQ)
I have all three DVD versions including the box set.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 16, 2012 08:48 PM (bxiXv)
are you attempting to seduce us?
Posted by: willow at August 16, 2012 04:50 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Debbie WasserWaterBuffalo Schitz at August 16, 2012 04:50 PM (lJ3rV)
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This makes me so very happy.
Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 16, 2012 04:51 PM (P6QsQ)
This time, the gut feels good so far, I feel like I am on the other side looking down at the people still willing to support Oloser and thinking "you're toast".
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 16, 2012 04:51 PM (QK3qp)
Posted by: CJK after the election at August 16, 2012 08:34 PM (60GaT)
I said that one or two nights ago. Point well taken, though. Many Libs think the 1972/1984/2004 election didn't give Nixon/Reagan/Bush a mandate, although I recall Clinton's 1992 43% (and the slight losses in the House and Senate) giving him a mandate.
Remember, as JaneCat said on the DemocraticUnderground a few years back (wish I could find a link, a few of you may remember this), "we"are smarter than 90% percent of the voters. Repub victories don't count. Ever.
Posted by: mallfly at August 16, 2012 04:51 PM (bJm7W)
Romney needs to connect with voters, this is a cheap way to say "hi, this is me!" to people. All anyone really knows about him is that he's a Republican mormon who looks like that.
Phase one is almost complete: convince people its okay to say "I don't like Obama." Phase two is "and you should like me."
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 16, 2012 04:51 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Tutu at August 16, 2012 04:51 PM (jQvNz)
Posted by: DC in Towson at August 16, 2012 04:51 PM (N/WI2)
Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 16, 2012 08:49 PM (P6QsQ)
I am up to my neck with disgust at this working together crap. That always translates to Republicans give the Dims everything they want while the Dims say hateful things about them and give not one inch on anything.
Posted by: Will Be Taking Applications and Assimilating The Love-slaves at August 16, 2012 04:52 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 16, 2012 04:52 PM (RxrPh)
Doesn't much matter, idiot.
Medicare is being gutted by Oblammocare, which is looming if not just starting to affect the economy and when/if fully implemented will be the largest drag on the American economy since, well, ever. It all ties together.
I realize that's a bit of a difficult concept for you, that is looking at things in a more interconnected big picture way, but pretend you're on the right side of the bell curve and not nestled down at the bottom of the left, okay schnookums?
Further, the reason team shitstick (that'd be dogmuncher's bunch) is focusing on medicare is because they think they have an advantage- if you actually took the time to comprehend what Ace wrote, you'd realize that.
Stankbreath the mincer figured he could knock Ryan out right at the opening bell with his medicare lies. RMoney was waiting with something ohblahblah is completely unfamiliar with- that is to say, the truth- and Romney put it back on him.
Again, Ace said this- seriously sport, you need to stop huffing the paint thinner if you're going to comment here.
Whether RMoney blew up earflaps on medicare now or a month from now, it was going to happen.
The economy isn't going anywhere besides down, thanks to team shitstick- and besides, do you think the undecideds are really looking at this krep before Labor Day? This in mind, talking about how princess sandtraps is destroying the most amazing economy in the history of mankind can wait.
Why beat earflaps over his lumpen skull with his abjectly failing economic dimwittery when nobody is looking?
But your concern is noted, Herr Sitzpinkler.
Posted by: #thingsTurdeThinksAreRacist at August 16, 2012 04:52 PM (eNURf)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 16, 2012 04:52 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2012 08:49 PM (X6akg)
No it wasn't that part, it was that in my original comment I said that the apolitical person was my cousin's girlfriend, but he called her my sister.
Posted by: Adam at August 16, 2012 04:52 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: nickless at August 16, 2012 04:52 PM (MMC8r)
Well, at least not until Hillary replaces Biden.
Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at August 16, 2012 04:53 PM (HtUdo)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 16, 2012 04:53 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: CJK at August 16, 2012 04:53 PM (MrM2k)
Then the Clintons get to roll in to the 2014 midterms as the saviors of the Democrat Party.
And there's no one else Obama's handlers could tolerate who brings a constituency capable of saving Obama, and even if there were there's probably no one who sees it as anything but boarding a sinking ship, a ride on the USS Barack H Obama straight down into the Marianas Trench.
Posted by: JEM at August 16, 2012 04:54 PM (o+SC1)
If only there was a half-drunk poll-obsessed loon who made big gigantic bright maps pointing out Pennsylvania was winnable...
Posted by: CAC at August 16, 2012 04:54 PM (eA7fB)
Posted by: Adam at August 16, 2012 08:52 PM (/YJYi)
Oh.....missed that.....and he probably did too. He was focus on what someone who you categorized as 'apolitcal' thought.....not her relationship to you.
Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2012 04:55 PM (X6akg)
Romney/Ryan 2011
Posted by: Tutu at August 16, 2012 08:51 PM (jQvNz)
Obama, if he's still President. Okay, maybe I'm wrong, investing with the Mob is probably not a good idea.
Posted by: mallfly at August 16, 2012 04:55 PM (bJm7W)
Congressman Ryan, we know your plan will work, but we can't support it because of our political philosophy.
Fuck are we stupid.
Posted by: Tim Geitner at August 16, 2012 04:55 PM (wUFaM)
Ace! Please!! Too much! I was "full" after the first half of this! I could laugh for an hour after just this part, for example:
"the White House criticizing the Ryan plan for not balancing the budget fast enough for their liking"
C'mon, man! I'm gonna wet myself...
[I'd give BO another Chutzpa Award for it, but it's just too funny!]
Posted by: Optimizer at August 16, 2012 04:55 PM (As94z)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2012 04:55 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Mountainturtle at August 16, 2012 04:56 PM (8JJcY)
Three versions and the box set? Wow. So will Merovign cosplay as the Goblin King Bowie?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 16, 2012 04:56 PM (d5fLT)
It would seem that Biden made the classic mistake of attending one of Rev. Wright's sermons, and actually listened.
Posted by: Wodeshed at August 16, 2012 04:56 PM (UuLBC)
Posted by: CAC at August 16, 2012 08:54 PM (eA7fB)
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That would be awesome. Especially if it made the computer screen go all wonky. *** sniff **** I miss that.
Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 16, 2012 04:56 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Joe Kennedy at August 16, 2012 04:56 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: Mary Jane Rottencrotch at August 16, 2012 08:40 PM (uPgsy)
Bush lost. The Supreme Court gave it to him. What were you, about...10 years old then? I invented the goddam internette, and I know where you are. Don't make me come over there with my hanging chad, you yeasty pothead.
Posted by: Algore at August 16, 2012 04:56 PM (QjSgY)
The other change is that in the last few days the RR campaign has gone from Obama/DNC/MSM beatdown on Romney to a completely new conversation on policy. As a bonus, Biden's gaffe drew in criticism from Palin, Guiliani, and McCain, so that it's no longer Romney vs. the entire Left, and it's now the Right vs. Obama.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 16, 2012 04:56 PM (hSm+F)
Posted by: BlackOrchidMissesDagny at August 16, 2012 04:57 PM (J6kXj)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at August 16, 2012 04:57 PM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Adam at August 16, 2012 04:57 PM (/YJYi)
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Phase two addendum: "Or if not me, - Hey girl. It's Paul Ryan."
Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 16, 2012 04:57 PM (P6QsQ)
Merovign
You know some days are dark and grim, and a movie with popcorn , thin mints , margarita?
sounds like a heavenly dream.
Posted by: willow at August 16, 2012 04:57 PM (TomZ9)
Would you rather invest your money with Romney or Obama?
***
Ummm...we gotta go with the unprincipled guy.
Posted by: Fisker/Solyndra/etc at August 16, 2012 04:58 PM (UuLBC)
It will be more than that if Romney wins. If he wins, I think he's going to win huge. If Obama wins he will win by a very close one; likely only by a flood of lawyers.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 16, 2012 04:58 PM (r4wIV)
@DrewMTips
Whoa. RT: @BrianFaughnan: RT @texasbryanp: Former #Virginia Gov Doug Wilder appears at @MittRomney fundraiser tonight http://t.co/u2lku7VL
Posted by: Y-not at August 16, 2012 08:40 PM (5H6zj)
That is Doug being Doug. He may have been there to kick the tires. He may also be endorsing Mitt now, then turning around and endorsing Obama in October.
But he may also be there because of Ryan. Wilder was very much a fiscal conservative as Governor, and really pushed back against the Dems for tax increases during the recession and budget deficits back in 90.
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 16, 2012 04:58 PM (1grxW)
Posted by: Mountainturtle at August 16, 2012 04:59 PM (8JJcY)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 16, 2012 04:59 PM (Rl8Zc)
NY Daily News had a cover photo of Chelsea Clinton. Looked heavily touched up. I guess she's the Clinton version of Bobby Kennedy the Next. Oh great. Miss Boring even by NBC standards running for office as the caring Candidate.
Posted by: mallfly at August 16, 2012 04:59 PM (bJm7W)
Oh I don't know TSA, ATF, EPA, DOE, Interior, I can think of a lot.
Defense spending needs cut, but not NUKED! and we sure as fuck don't need a purposefully gimped Ogabecare adding to the gagglefuck double counting 716 BILLION dollars...
Your CHOOM JE$U$ added almost as much as 8 years of Bush in less than 4....good work at "budget control"....
You goddamned idiots don't even remember that Nanny Pelosi ran and won in 2006 in part on "restoring fiscal sanity" and celebrated by tripling Boner's deficit....
I mean there is simply no talking to you....but I'll go out on a limb and say we plan to start with the million dollar GSA vacation conferences and all....
maybe the end of thre perks and the purges we have in store for EPA will convince asshole civil servant holy rollers to go work for your think tanks, because I want the purge to hit the NEA as well....
NO MERCY clean out the progressive rot from "nonpartisan civil service"
Posted by: sven10077 at August 16, 2012 04:59 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Mary Jane Rottencrotch at August 16, 2012 04:59 PM (uPgsy)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 16, 2012 05:00 PM (d5fLT)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 16, 2012 05:00 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: CJK at August 16, 2012 05:00 PM (XGZYX)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2012 05:01 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: mallfly at August 16, 2012 05:01 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: Thorvald at August 16, 2012 08:42 PM (1V6Pv)
Make no mistake about this: not every Americans' ancestors left home because they *wanted* to. That said, those of us whose ancestors were brought here by force should understand the will of God. My African ancestors were brought here under duress, but I believe that the real reason was to rescue the former Africans and their progeny from idolatry and Islam. I believe that our forcible migration was a blessing from Him.
Let's just hope that enough of us Americans recognize how greatly we have been blessed by what happened with or to our ancestors, and that we will be able to act to save our sanctuary.
Posted by: baldilocks at August 16, 2012 05:01 PM (6kWFm)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 16, 2012 05:02 PM (hSm+F)
Posted by: Thorvald at August 16, 2012 05:02 PM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 16, 2012 05:02 PM (Rl8Zc)
Posted by: willow at August 16, 2012 05:03 PM (TomZ9)
Del Toro's Pan's Labyrinth or this Labyrinth. I much much prefer the Bowie one. Del Toro's will want make you want to cut yourself.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 16, 2012 05:03 PM (d5fLT)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 16, 2012 05:04 PM (bxiXv)
Speaking to Breitbart News, a Romney spokesperson stated, "We are discussing this matter with network executives at MSNBC."
http://tinyurl.com/boj5xzs
Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2012 05:04 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: CJK at August 16, 2012 08:30 PM (XGZYX)"
How, exactly, is surprise attacking the Democrats on Medicare and entitlement reform 'playing into their hands'? No one saw it coming. I know I sure as hell didn't. It was an ambush, bitches, pure Clausewitz, and the Democrats are scrambling to get out of the kill zone.
Posted by: troyriser at August 16, 2012 05:05 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: small town girl at August 16, 2012 05:06 PM (tytk9)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 16, 2012 09:04 PM (bxiXv)
goodness, how could any sensible women not love those options?
Posted by: willow at August 16, 2012 05:06 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: BlackOrchidMissesDagny at August 16, 2012 05:06 PM (J6kXj)
I think the hidden story is the old guard non socialist, social con democrats from their first wave of big offices are gonna go tell African-American churches it is ok not to vote.....
Thye are democrats, not marxists, and sure as hell not moonbat crazy activist social liberals.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 16, 2012 05:07 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 16, 2012 05:08 PM (bxiXv)
At a fundraiser at the Richmond, VA Marriott tonight for the Romney campaign, there was a surprise guest. Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell introduced Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, who in turn introduced Rep. Paul Ryan. But before McDonnell took the mic, another figure was acknowledging dignitaries in the crowd. Among those dignitaries addressed from the stage, was former Virginia Gov. Douglas Wilder, according to a Tatler source who was there.
http://tinyurl.com/cqlkzog
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2012 09:01 PM (TMB3S)
Now that does a body good.
Posted by: Craig Poe at August 16, 2012 05:08 PM (BVkEs)
Posted by: Mary Jane Rottencrotch at August 16, 2012 05:09 PM (uPgsy)
Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2012 08:22 PM (X6akg)
"You're setting me back," Michelle's 50 cal Bandolier Boob Belt tells Gabby Douglas
We're having a serious campaign...be kinda nice if you were here, Barry. Or not. And Michelle...you ain't seen the half of setting-back yet, sugar.
Posted by: 66chevelle at August 16, 2012 05:09 PM (QjSgY)
Posted by: Mountainturtle at August 16, 2012 05:10 PM (8JJcY)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 16, 2012 05:10 PM (bxiXv)
"Beginning last Friday, I began to lose my confidence...
... But now I'm feeling confident again..."You do know they have meds to treat bipolar behavior?
Posted by: Egret at August 16, 2012 05:10 PM (wqffJ)
Posted by: Thorvald at August 16, 2012 05:11 PM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: SurferDoc at August 16, 2012 05:13 PM (6H6FZ)
There's more confirmed bigfoots than those.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 16, 2012 05:14 PM (/RS2M)
A LOT of Democrats are defecting to Romney's side. I think they see disaster for the party coming in November and want to get on the good side of the winners. I expect a lot of resignations and party swaps come winter.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 16, 2012 05:16 PM (r4wIV)
We had one get two major complaints against her and she's still around. Babysitter was sick, so she had two kids with her in a range firing tower where she was the target controller, then she didn't like the way another unit was running their range so she called that brigade's sergeant major's WIFE. But she's black and female, and we don't have many of either, so the dumb bitch is untouchable and worse, knows it.
Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at August 16, 2012 05:17 PM (9OdDd)
Posted by: mallfly at August 16, 2012 08:51 PM (bJm7W)
_______________________________________________
Yeah, well, I'd rather have snotty libs walking around thinking "Republican victories don't count. Ever" when we've actually won. They can tell themselves any damn lie they want in November to keep themselves from crying themselves to sleep if the reality is choom is out of the WH in Jan. 2013.
Posted by: Donna V. at August 16, 2012 05:17 PM (EflcN)
Posted by: Mountainturtle at August 16, 2012 05:17 PM (8JJcY)
So instead some super cuteness.
http://tinyurl.com/cqyskd5
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 16, 2012 05:18 PM (d5fLT)
Hume's question was about Romney's plan, which is an outline, not a full budget. You would have to assume a full budget and run the numbers before you would be able to make a proper estimate.
As for detailed discussions regarding the House FY 2013 budget-
http://budget.house.gov/fy2013prosperity/
House Budget Committee YT channel -> http://bit.ly/OlJjsK
http://budget.house.gov/hearingschedule/hearing3212012.htm
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 16, 2012 05:19 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 16, 2012 05:19 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Mountainturtle at August 16, 2012 05:20 PM (8JJcY)
They are panicking now and think a switch hitter is needed.
But Biden is just the deck chair. Obama is the Titanic.
Posted by: Voluble at August 16, 2012 05:20 PM (qYvEa)
addressed from the stage, was former Virginia Gov. Douglas Wilder,
according to a Tatler source who was there.
http://tinyurl.com/cqlkzog
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2012 09:01 PM (TMB3S)
Jesus, that is beautiful. Artur Davis is already campaigning for Romney in VA - but Doug f'ing WILDER - the historic first black governor of a former Confederate state?
Posted by: Donna V. at August 16, 2012 05:20 PM (EflcN)
I live in Deep red Georgia and I have not seen a single Romney bumpersticker.
In 2004 Bush bumperstickers were everywhere.
Posted by: Mary Jane Rottencrotch at August 16, 2012 08:59 PM (uPgsy)
You live in Athens, sweetie And you saw Dragon Tales and Barney in 2004.
Posted by: Mommy Rottencrotch at August 16, 2012 05:23 PM (QjSgY)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 16, 2012 05:24 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 16, 2012 05:25 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: John Sununu fan at August 16, 2012 05:26 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at August 16, 2012 05:27 PM (lJJMb)
Posted by: baldilocks at August 16, 2012 05:28 PM (6kWFm)
We'll do it. The main key is to eliminate the white marxist not the average African-American anyway. I guess we'd be stuck with women, but I am feeling pretty good about our chances to overturn AA again.
If AA is on shaky legal ground for school use, it is on shaky ground overall.
Time to find out if "equal is equal" is our our goal or "some are equal plus"....
morality says "equal is equal" the best person for a job should get the job.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 16, 2012 05:31 PM (LRFds)
Still going on in Africa and the Middle East, too.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 16, 2012 05:32 PM (r4wIV)
One of these days I'll have to make you some popcorn and margaritas and mint-chocolate shooters.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 16, 2012 05:34 PM (bxiXv)
I'll put the founders up against Gnome Chomsky any day of the week with the sensible modifications we've made over time.
I get what you're saying, but we either have a foundation or we don't.
Too much of what is blocking our freedom comes from courts who have NO deference for precedent or the foundation of this land.
Those natural resources EPA and Choom love keeping us from using by fiat....
Those are OURS not the sierra club's or their minions....
we've lost serious track of what the proper role of government is, and we need to get back to self-reliance and freedom.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 16, 2012 05:35 PM (LRFds)
and the same type of idiocy is part and parcel to the stupid fevered dreams of the marxists in our nation....
It is a sin we allow slavery, it is a sin we allow thugs to use food as a weapon as a tool to genocide, it is a sin we allow the dreams of a small minority to hamper an economy that gives us all access to our dreams.
There's a lot of work to be done, and if we work together we can rebuild a mighty and free castle.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 16, 2012 05:38 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Mary Jane Rottencrotch at August 16, 2012 05:41 PM (uPgsy)
Posted by: Ed Schultz, Howard Dean, Debbie Washyourhair, et al at August 16, 2012 05:42 PM (bxiXv)
There's more confirmed bigfoots than those.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 16, 2012 09:14 PM (/RS2M)
Must be a million of them then.
Posted by: Matt Moneymaker, BRFO President at August 16, 2012 05:46 PM (1grxW)
Posted by: Mary Jane Rottencrotch at August 16, 2012 08:59 PM (uPgsy)
Funny, I live in a blue city of Virginia, and I am seeing more Romney stickers than SCOAMF ones.
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 16, 2012 05:48 PM (1grxW)
I was saying we hear too often as a rebuttal to what you describe by Chomskyites we owe it to today to forget about our past. The difference between Baldi, Moonbat I was discussing, and Jihadi Jim is the proper use of the past and past angers to steel yourself in a healthy way for adversity today. Sorry I was thinking about wise Latina, and a few other things.
It feels like we are being asked to forget about our past, but there isa lot of nobility there as well as deserved shame.
Again sorry I was not more clear....reading six threads at once trying to keep the Tepid Air masses whipped and moving towards confidence interferes sometimes with my clarity.
Add in my bad toothache sans medical Ny Quil to dull the pain....and likely knock 100 of my 105 IQ points off and well...
*blush*
Posted by: sven10077 at August 16, 2012 05:51 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: small town girl at August 16, 2012 05:53 PM (tytk9)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 16, 2012 05:57 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Otto Zilch at August 16, 2012 06:08 PM (p01MN)
Sven, about history: just today I was thinking about memory and how the most crazy people I know have no real memory or have a perverted memory. Conversely, the most vengeful people I know take memory too hard and will not put it in perspective. This is one area where moderation is the key.
Posted by: baldilocks at August 16, 2012 06:21 PM (6kWFm)
Survey on one of the Fox shows: Do you think Corzine should go to prison? 99to1 Yes. Well, that settles that.
Posted by: YourWiseUncleRick at August 16, 2012 07:45 PM (Ec4KY)
Posted by: boballab at August 16, 2012 10:45 PM (ebXTQ)
Never let an opportunity to bad-mouth Palin go to waste, eh? I'm surprised you didn't stir Christine McDonnell into the troll's brew as well.
Palin's got issues (she supported Borin' Orrin), but she's no joke to conservatives. Comparing her to Biden is a nutless caricature.
Posted by: Born Free at August 17, 2012 12:23 PM (Z+ZGh)
I've been saying that Romney will take PA if tbe voter ID law is upheld. So far so good!
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at August 16, 2012 08:48 PM (yJYwC)
Funny how the left interpreted "Now Romney can/will win" re: voter ID to mean vote suppression. I took it as no dead people/felons/out of district/etc. being able to vote, so no fraud margin to be overcome!
Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at August 18, 2012 05:39 AM (uMfFZ)
Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 16, 2012 08:49 PM (P6QsQ)
I am up to my neck with disgust at this working together crap. That always translates to Republicans give the Dims everything they want while the Dims say hateful things about them and give not one inch on anything.
Posted by: Will Be Taking Applications and Assimilating The Love-slaves at August 16, 2012 08:52 PM (kXoT0)
Oh, but it's worse than that - R's go along with the D's {or moderate some out there D proposal} then the D's beat them over the head for compromising, while D's *never* get hit. It's always "They lied to us {Iraq} no way would we have voted yes otherwise" with the bad intent *always* coming from the R's.
I say pull an O! Let's vote in R's, top to bottom, then freeze out the D's, lest they attempt to sandbag, and let the R's prove their ideas to the voters!
If they do that, goodbye lefties, welcome back blue dogs!
Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at August 18, 2012 05:51 AM (uMfFZ)
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