1

Just saw a twit that thousands of people have been given 90 minutes to evacuate an area before an expected dam collapse in LA.

 

Yikes.

2 Breitbart would kill people by murdering them to death.

3 But, but, but, . . . FACTS.

4 Pushing Ace down like the fat kid on the playground.

5

Keep their pointy little heads on fire. 

 

You know that you're in trouble, and running on empty, if your response to every one of your opponent's points is "You lie."

I thought that the MFM was upset with Joe Wilson putting the spurs to The Bamster in a SOTU speech.  Didn't they learn?

6 Please send your suggestion to the Romney campaign, Jack, if you haven't already done so. It's a good one.

7 As a moron noted down-site, it doesn't matter when the plant closed. Either Barry lied and the government decided not to save the jobs, or he lied because the government couldn't save the jobs. Either or.

8

Ahhh...I didn't mean to bump Ace...his post wasnt there when I started this and I didn't notice it when I saved/publish this.

 

Oh well, mines better anyway. AB would have actually read it.

9 "Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!"

10 From Randy Newman's great song, "Louisiana 1927." "What has happened down here is the wind have changed . . . " "They're tryin to wash us away. They're tryin to wash us away."

11 If we lose, God forbid I have some big plans on donating my usual Pac contributions to Ace to get some Breitbart going here.

I honestly feel that is not likely to be needed and I will continue to give primarily to the GOP, but as a group we will need to get a lot more organized at getting our message out through, around, over, and under the media's head.

12 6 Please send your suggestion to the Romney campaign, Jack, if you haven't already done so. It's a good one.



Are you somehow suggesting we don't read AoSHQ?

We know Rush does, so it will get play today, he'll steal a good idea.

13 8 Toby 928th,

Not to mention he plagarized a f***ing commie bastard for his speechifying....

14

If  the workers   were all union folk, that would be even better.

 

Also, how  do you get to use ampersands   and we can't?

15 Sure, 12 mins. between posts is plenty of time.

16 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

17 Are we punching down?  I want to,  but I'm not sure if now is the time.  Punching up sounds pretty good,  but should we wait?

18 1 meremortal,

don't worry King Putt will go lower the waters....

prayers to the impacted...God know to fear the rain in Louisiana

19 Also, how do you get to use ampersands and we can't? Disable scripting from minx.cc. You will lose the toolbar, but it doesn't work anyway.

20 Attack Hard

Attack Swiftly

Or suffer these fools ad nauseum

Once you push the truth and they realize they cant get away with it without making voters even more aware of the 2009 closing under obama, they will run from this.

21 Romney should go hold a rally in front, just like at Solyndra. This is Obama's America. We don't need more of it. Some of the pushback on the Janesville plant was "Obama bailed out GM and Romney said they should DIEEEE OF CANCER!!!!!!!" Where is that bailout? How did it help Janesville? Is it true that GM is doing better than ever?

22 I have heard that Jim Messina fucks little boys.

23 Oh man, is this a great idea!

24 Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind, you Obama-loving union schmucks.

25 I have heard that Jim Messina fucks little boys. I just read that on the internet.

26 "President Obama...the people of Janesville built that plant. You closed it down you are a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure."

FIFY.

27
First with the epic poetry, now with the movie reviews.......

28 21 GG,

Bang on and a great idea...

have Mitt sell MATH! to the union unemployed and then explain that we need to get regulators out of the way of the economy and we need a strong economy in all sectors for the worker to get paid....

MATH! MATH!

29

Posted by: sven10077 at August 30, 2012 12:06 PM (LRFds)

11,000 people, 90 minutes. Hope the dam holds and they get out OK.

30

Disable scripting from minx.cc. You will lose the toolbar, but it doesn't work anyway.

 

OK. Ahh, the wonders  of AceTML.  I'll buy some stock in AceCorp when he patents that  and goes public.

 

I take it you and yours are OK from Isaac? I saw the radar last night and my old stomping grounds   appears to have gotten a good amount of it.

31 I want to throat punch Ezra Klein.  Is that bad?  (rhetorical question, Netterman, take a lap).

32 Rush talking about Ryan and Condi's speeches last night.  Awesome.

33 24 Cicero,

It is an opportunity to speak to the Union without them getting their danesgeld...

Reagan rocked the out of work union worker's socks off and had their vote see Democrat, Reagan

34 Next comercial.... you talk about Obama's new Cafe Standards... of 55 miles per gallon fleet AVERAGE in 15 years.... when there is NO car today that can do that at all.... and due to basic science, it may be impossible for any reasonbly sized Passenger vehicle to attain that (pesky Physics).

35 So I guess this speech by Romney tonight is important. The writing has been good so far for the speakers, so I have a good feeling about it.

36 29 meremortal,

the majority of that number depending on roads can make it...

the problem with be any immobile folks...

like I said prayers...thanks for the update I know people on the Mighty Missisip

37 I take it you and yours are OK from Isaac? All is well. A mere 9" of rain at my house. Totally normal for a cat1. I haven't checked on the beach condos yet but I did watch with a beach webcam and I don't think the dunes were breached.

38 Shit, I thought this was going to be an EPIC POEM!!!

39 Absolutely.Romney did the Solyndra thing. No reason he couldn't do this. Chrissy would keel over on air. That alone would be worth it.

40

>>11,000 people, 90 minutes. Hope the dam holds and they get out OK.

 

Get your fingers in tht dike, son.

41

it may be impossible for any reasonbly sized Passenger vehicle to attain that (pesky Physics).

 

Buy Alcoa. They make tin foil.

42 OT -dam in Tangipoha might give way due to Isaac.

http://tinyurl.com/9m7doew

43 Pushing Ace down like the fat kid on the playground. Posted by: toby928©

Ace is still picking the gravel out of his Incredible Hulk Underoos®.

44 Janesville Gazette, February 2009

GM plant's last day finalized
JANESVILLE — General Motors will end medium-duty truck production in Janesville on April 23, four months to the day after the plant stopped building full-size sport utility vehicles.



http://bit.ly/O5XEZ6

45

Please, Romney/Ryan lets charge this position. #WAR.

 

Woah.

 

I haven't been scouring TV and web to track how much play this is getting. But CNN.com  fact check says: 

Verdict: True, but incomplete. 

http://tinyurl.com/8nu4d56

 

Doesn't sound like it's worth going to war over. Don't defend what you might not have to defend. Keep moving.

 

46 Wonderful idea!

Jimmy bunny, Jimmy bunny, Jimmy bunny, back, back, bad bunny!

Or to switch metaphors, truth can be a hound out of Hell.

47

Posted by: sven10077 at August 30, 2012 12:11 PM (LRFds)

 

Best wishes for best outcomes...

48 34 Romeo13,

well "sorta"...

VW and Hyundai both have diesel hybrids that get 70+ MPG but "they are not allowed to be sold in the US".....

why is that if "clean efficiency" and not enviro activism is the goal?

49 it may be impossible for any reasonbly sized Passenger vehicle to attain that (pesky Physics).

That's okay.  They'll start making the frames out of fiberglass, and the bodies out of paper mache.

50 Right on, Jack M.

51

>>Ace is still picking the gravel out of his Incredible Hulk Underoos®.

 

That's my  boy.  He just   loves his cartoons.

52 General Motors????

Never heard of it.

53 55 miles per gallon fleet AVERAGE in 15 years.... when there is NO car today that can do that at all.... They are presuming a large number of electric vehicles will suddenly be a part of the mix.

54 But--but--but--

SHINY!

I mean,

SQUIRREL!

Look, over there!  A Thing!

*sputter, sputter*

55 Doesn't sound like it's worth going to war over. Don't defend what you might not have to defend. Keep moving.

It's worth going to war over.  If CNN is calling it anything other than "Complete Lies, told by a Lying LIAR!!!" then they're the only ones.

56

Posted by: sven10077 at August 30, 2012 12:14 PM (LRFds)

 

Can you put a family of 5, with luggage, in them?

57 "We won't  make  false promises that we have no control in keeping.  But we will give business  owners every chance to  keep these plants open and to open more.  We will get rid of crippling administrative rules,  we will allow businesses to spend more money on their business and employees and less on taxes, we will encourage free trade,  we will create a climate the promotes and recognizes success not one that punishes and discourages it."

58 They could do a 30 second spot. Show Obama's speech promising to keep the plant open 100 years and fade to a photo of the locked gate and empty parking lot. And play Naked Eyes "Promises, Promises" in the backgorund.

59
They are presuming a large number of electric vehicles will suddenly be a part of the mix.

Posted by: toby928© at August 30, 2012 12:14 PM (QupBk)

 

We are extecting most of you to be on foot and bicycles by then.

60 Watching Ryan's speech again. It DOES get better a second. Killing me softly, with his math.

61 They are presuming a large number of electric vehicles will suddenly be a part of the mix.

----

Ha

HA HA

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

62 Do they really want to go there?  Because people might take a look at the speech OBama gave in Janesville, saying how Big Government was going to keep this plant going for another hundred years, and oh yes! as an added bonus Big Government would be bringing thousands of Green Jobs to the area.

So who's the liar?

63 Doesn't sound like it's worth going to war over. Don't defend what you might not have to defend. Keep moving.

Posted by: CJ at August

pfft.

Dont waste surrogate air time on it, when you can DO THIS!

<i>21 Romney should go hold a rally in front, just like at Solyndra. This is Obama's America. We don't need more of it.

Some of the pushback on the Janesville plant was "Obama bailed out GM and Romney said they should DIEEEE OF CANCER!!!!!!!"

Where is that bailout? How did it help Janesville? Is it true that GM is doing better than ever?

Posted by: Golan Globus at August 30, 2012 12:07 PM (7vSU0)</i>

64 You know what would be a nice punch? A judge throwing out the Zimmerman case on the afternoon preceding Obama's convention speech.

65 They are presuming a large number of electric vehicles will suddenly be a part of the mix.

I don't think they are.  That may be what they're saying, but what they're really "presuming" is that they have finally found a fuel efficiency standard which can't reasonably be met, and will begin the process of forcing cars off the American roads- forcing us all onto buses or trains.

66 They'll start making the frames out of fiberglass, and the bodies out of paper mache.

You mean they're going re-make the Trabant?  The paper car?

67

Doesn't sound like it's worth going to war over. Don't defend what you might not have to defend. Keep moving.

 

Well, since the leftards have declared war on us for several years, I'd  like to see PR do that  presser   in  front of the shuttered plant.  We can pause for a while to win a good battle.

 

Unless by "keep moving" you mean "ride right through them, they're demoralized as hell," then carry on.

68 So I guess this speech by Romney tonight is important. The writing has been good so far for the speakers, so I have a good feeling about it. Posted by: Meremortal at August 30, 2012 12:11 PM (1Y+hH) According to FOX President-Elect Romney wrote it himself

69 We are extecting most of you to be on foot and bicycles by then.
---
Light Rail

70

Can I mention briefly that it sends my blood pressure soaring  to see an Assurance Wireless ad on AoSHQ?

 

Stay the course, morons!

71 56 Romeo13, the Jetta?  maybe 3 plus luggage....

the "fleet standards" game is rigged...

I get your point there is an even more brutal underlying point....the Feds are keeping those of us who drive for a living from easy access to the best cars for narrow performance windows on the planet...."why?"

72 Killing me softly, with his math.

Posted by: El Kabong

 

sweet.

73

Posted by: toby928© at August 30, 2012 12:14 PM (QupBk)

 

Ran the numbers 3 years ago.... if you take all the oil we use for transportation, and convert the energy in it to kilowatt hours...

 

We would have to increase Electricity generation by 115% to all drive electric cars.... ( and that does not include the cost of the extra transmission capacity to get it into the citys where most of it would be used).

 

Math... is hard... but creating energy policy without bothering to look at the Numbers?  Dumb...

74 65 Allen G,

"good luck"...

75 ...and will begin the process of forcing cars off the American roads- forcing us all onto buses or trains.

----

Silly clinger....... just the trains for you.

76

They'll start making the frames out of fiberglass, and the bodies out of paper mache.

You mean they're going re-make the Trabant? The paper car?

 

 

The Adobe!

77 An idiot lefty on facebook is gloating like a prized pig about how "even Fox said Ryan lied!" Lots of cutting and pasting from Politifact. This must be destroyed.

78

I don't think this is a hill worth climbing.  As a business owner, if my business was dying in 2008 and on it's last legs, I surely wouldn't blame the President who took office in 2009 for me finally closing my doors in the middle of 2009.

This story is played out all over the place.  In our yacht building business here, the layoffs happened in the middle of 2009 only because the last yacht ordered from '08 was getting it's finishing touches.

 

They might be able to politicize it by lying about whose to blame, but truthfully, if the market was mostly killed off prior to Obama, the only thing you could get him on was if he promised to save the plant and didn't.

79 ...according to FOX President-Elect Romney wrote it himself

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 30, 2012 12:17 PM (05RcU)

--------

Peggy Noonan

Still irrelevant.

80 Hell, everything Obama or his minions say is a damned lie.  And for the first time in history there are actual news people and mainstream politicians who are saying it and using the "L" word. 

81 I now understand the reason why GM and Chrysler don't want their plants to be a backdrop for the campaigns. Not because Obama would be using them, but that the GOP would use them.

And who said that GM and Chrysler don't answer to DC?

http://tinyurl.com/cat5fb7

82 When I uh um give a speech at a um business or a um uh factory, it is a death knell for that um uh business. 

83 They are presuming a large number of electric vehicles will suddenly be a part of the mix.

I never could quite get the MPG electric equivalent calculations they do.  The Volt is rated at 95 MPGe, which is a total fucking lie.  It's range is 30 miles...at the very most and that figure degrades over time as the battery starts to wear.  That 95 MPGe figure is calculated with the gas engine factored in which kind of completely goes against what the car is supposed to represent.

84 all you all's need to be on twitter and you need to be countering the lefty liberal media lies.....c'mon we want a f'n landslide....throw it back in their faces....

85 Posted by: sven10077 at August 30, 2012 12:19 PM (LRFds)

I didn't say they'd succeed.  That is their end-game, though.  The Left hates the personal automobile and everything it represents.

86 77 An idiot lefty on facebook is gloating like a prized pig about how "even Fox said Ryan lied!" Lots of cutting and pasting from Politifact.

This must be destroyed.

Posted by: Lauren at August 30, 2012 12:20 PM (wsGWu)

Here, show them this and note the date on it.....it's directly from GM.


http://tinyurl.com/chr58tn


Or.....


mamawinger's link in #44

87

Posted by: doug at August 30, 2012 12:20 PM (gUGI6)

 

the key is that Obama ran on the idea that if you vote for me, I'll save your plant.... and then it closed....

88 Balsa wood cars!

89 "Oh, I would do anything votes." "Yes, I would do anything for VOTES." "But I won't do math" "Nooooo, no I won't do math."

90 Uh-oh.  Dam failing in Louisiana, 50,000 being told to evacuate immediately.

91 OT:  Great photo on  Hot Air in the war on women link.  A bunch of dancing vaginas are holding a sign reading "GOP Respect Women."  First, nothing says that I should respect you like dressing up as a vagina.  Second, your sign is ambiguous.  Are you saying that the GOP does respect women?  Or that they don't but should?  Shouldn't there be a comma there somewhere? 

92 lots of new, sort of oddly depressed commenters here today. hmmm wonder why oh, and doug,, we can blame him if he didn't use the stimulus to prop up the plant of an auto maker he made us buy

93

"the only thing you could get him on was if he promised to save the plant and didn't."

 

The thing is, he did. He stood in front of the Janesville plant and told them that with his government behind them, they would be open 100 years.

 

So, there's that.

94 Mommy, what did you do during the culture wars?

I dressed up like a vagina.

95

It's worth going to war over. If CNN is calling it anything other than "Complete Lies, told by a Lying LIAR!!!" then they're the only ones.

 

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 30, 2012 12:15 PM (8y9MW)

 

I just want to be sure they are the "only" ones. Why the hell would you decide to feature a closed plant and pick the ONE PLANT in which your message will be muddled?? There are plenty. Too many. Why pick this one to "humanize" the issue of Obama's failure, when half of the message will be drowned out?

 

Don't get sidetracked.

96 Ran the numbers 3 years ago.... if you take all the oil we use for transportation, and convert the energy in it to kilowatt hours...

We would have to increase Electricity generation by 115% to all drive electric cars.... ( and that does not include the cost of the extra transmission capacity to get it into the citys where most of it would be used).

Math... is hard... but creating energy policy without bothering to look at the Numbers? Dumb... Posted by: Romeo13 at August 30, 2012 12:18 PM

So, if somebody wants to build a coal plant, they can — it’s just that it will bankrupt them, because they are going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.

97

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 30, 2012 12:18 PM (lZBBB)

 

Yes. Even going 15% electric would crash the grid. Nightime down times for maintenance at power plants would be wiped out by people trying to recharge for the next days commute.

 

It's unworkable.

98 A bunch of dancing vaginas are holding a sign

If it doesn't say "No cover charge!", then I'm not interested.

99 ...and will begin the process of forcing cars off the American roads- forcing us all onto buses or trains.

They already began with "Cash for Clunkers."  Sorry, low-income American who wants to work toward a better life for yourself and your family: we can't let you take jobs that aren't on a bus line, because Teh Planet.  Here, have some food stamps.

100 I just want to be sure they are the "only" ones. Why the hell would you decide to feature a closed plant and pick the ONE PLANT in which your message will be muddled?? There are plenty. Too many. Why pick this one to "humanize" the issue of Obama's failure, when half of the message will be drowned out?

Don't get sidetracked.

Posted by: CJ at August 30, 2012 12:23 PM (9KqcB)

 

Because this plant has a direct correlation to the Romney campaign,   it being in Paul Ryan's hometown?  You know, just throwing out ideas here.

101 PolitiFact ‏@politifact Our fact-checks from last night's #RNC2012 http://ow.ly/dlFps they are doubling down....after 11 hrs of silence they have reposted their findings.....lol

102

They might be able to politicize it by lying about whose to blame, but truthfully, if the market was mostly killed off prior to Obama, the only thing you could get him on was if he promised to save the plant and didn't.

 

Umm, that's exactly what he did. You obviously missed the "this plant will be here for 100 years"  part of teh SCOAMF's speech/promise, didn't you?

 

Teh SCOAMF twisted  the  law to screw over   GM  stockholders and bypass what should have happened, which is that GM and Chrysler should have filed for bankruptcy.  This would have allowed them  to renegotiate their union  contracts, but the Dims and Obama cannot have that, since the unions  give them a lot of money.

 

You should already know  this.

103 "MATH! A-AH!" "It saved the universe!" "MATH! A-AH!" "It saved every one of us!"

104 JackM, you're dead on. Get this commercial out with 3 different spots. A longer web based ad, and 2 different spots for TV: one 30 seconds and a longer 60 second clip with the closing line being a former plant worker explaining how Obama let them down and how he closed their plant. Since Obama has bragged about how he saved GM, make him own it. Great call. Find a way to get this to their campaign, even though I'm sure they have at least one staffer that reads Ace, stat.

105 Off EPA sock

106

"You mean they're going re-make the Trabant? The paper car?"

 

What, like a Chevy Volt could possibly get MORE flammable?

107 Great idea, but waste of breath. Romney will never do this. The GOP still doesn't get the nature of this war or of the media. Breitbart was a beautiful freak. He inspired followers but he didn't reach the politicians.

108 You know who else lied to the GM workers?  Their precious unions.

109 Why the hell would you decide to feature a closed plant and pick the ONE PLANT in which your message will be muddled??


Because that's the plant the VP's high school friends got laid off from.  Duh.

110

What a campaign Obama has?  They have nothing.  They know it.  The  media  knows it.  They just don't know what to do.  This  can work in Chicago.  It won't work at the national level.  Obama is going to lose  and   he is going to lose big.

111 It's unworkable.

 

 

Posted by: USA EPA at August 30, 2012 12:24 PM (1Y+hH)

 

 

Just to be clear.... thats an INCREASE of 115%... ie... we would have to more than DOUBLE our Electricity Generation capability Nationwide...

112 First of all,  to those who think this isn't important,  it isn't so much about when the plant closed,  although it did finally close under the Obama administration. (Clusure was ordered and begun during Bush's last term.)

What this is about is that Obama LIED to those people in Janesville,  leading them to believe he would get the plant to remain open!!  He LIED to them.  THAT is a promise which was a fraud,  and it needs to be pointed out.  And Ryan KNEW those people,  so he would not have brought this up unless he was speaking the truth.

And secondly,  I agree that Mitt needs to address this but it should be done tonight on live TV at some point in his speech,  so that the networks cannot refuse to cover it.  I saw full well how they blacked out coverage of George Bush after his convention in 2000,  and they are going to try to do the same thing here.  We must not let them get away with it.

113 If someone invented a zero-emissions car that ran on nothing but vaginal discharges, that's all the Democrats would talk about. Introducing: The Chevy Queef.

114 so much concern today, when most conservatives are walking on sunshine. hmmm

115 Why the hell would you decide to feature a closed plant and pick the ONE PLANT in which your message will be muddled??

I think even Fox is letting the "They're liars!" get some play, so, yes CNN are the only ones even allowing that, just maybe, there's a grain of truth to what Ryan said.

And the reasons you'd choose that plant are myriad.  Among them:

1) You have a speech, given by then Candidate Obama, in front of that very plant about how "government support" would keep it open for 100 more years.

2) It's local for Paul Ryan.

3) The statements Ryan made were completely accurate.

Really, go look at what the other "fact checkers" are saying, it's ridiculous.  I know I pimp my own blog (yes, I have one) a lot here, but I think the take down of Sally Kohn's piece is important- these are the lines they're all regurgitating, and we need to call them out as the liars they are.

116 The SONS OF BITCHES ARE TRYING TO STEAL TEXAS!

http://tinyurl.com/9n92rsn

A federal court has ruled against a Texas law that would require voters to present photo IDs to election officials before being allowed to cast ballots in November. 

A three-judge panel in Washington ruled Thursday that the law imposes "strict, unforgiving burdens on the poor" and noted that racial minorities in Texas are more likely to live in poverty.

Goddamned Asshole Judges....

Stop victimizing the south you whores.....if I have to show ID to buy a gun I can be forced to show ID to vote you dickhead judges.

117 If someone invented a zero-emissions car that ran on nothing but vaginal discharges, that's all the Democrats would talk about.

Introducing: The Chevy Queef.

I was thinking "The Chevy Creampie".

118 NATO official: Most insider attacks ‘personal’ By Zachary Fryer-Biggs - Staff writer Posted : Thursday Aug 30, 2012 23:26:12 EDT Despite a recent spate of insider attacks, most U.S. and Afghan deaths at the hands Afghan security forces have not been organized by the Taliban as part of a larger insurgency, and coalition forces are continuing to make progress in the country, a senior NATO official said Wednesday. Thus far in 2012, more than 40 coalition deaths have been attributed to insider attacks, compared with 35 for all of 2011. “There are a variety of reasons that these attacks have occurred over the last few years,” said Alexander Vershbow, deputy secretary-general of NATO. “The majority still are viewed as having been the result of personal grievances or clashes between Afghan personnel and coalition personnel, and only a small percentage may have been engineered by the Taliban.” ??? So what this is saying is that most muslims are just uncivilized animals no matter what "group" they belong to?

119 Mommy, what did you do during the culture wars?

I dressed up like a vagina.
Posted by: WalrusRex


Can you imagine what was going on in that brainstorming meeting?  What ideas got shot down before they came up with dressing up like vaginas?
*shudder*

120 OMG, Akin is within 1 pt of McCaskill in a new PPP poll? The poll only has a R+2 advantage??? He may win it there despite his own stupidity. Clairebear seems to not be able to help herself get ahead even when we give her a seat.

121 Berlin Wall Will Stand 100 Years, Honecker Vows
January 20, 1989

http://is.gd/w61Ec5


♪♫Da da da
Da da da ♪♫

122 Stop victimizing the south you whores.....if I have to show ID to buy a gun I can be forced to show ID to vote you dickhead judges. Posted by: sven10077 at August 30, 2012 12:28 PM (LRFds) We would be well served to remember that all Judges are also Lawyers and Lawyers are, well lawyers

123

Posted by: sven10077 at August 30, 2012 12:28 PM (LRFds)

 

How do they do that, when the Supremes already said the Photo ID for voting was OK?

124

Smooth Denominator....

 

Smoooooooth Denominator.....

125 Posted by: sven10077 at August 30, 2012 12:28 PM (LRFds)

Great, just what I needed this morning: a rage-stroke.

126

Well, since the leftards have declared war on us for several years, I'd like to see PR do that presser in front of the shuttered plant. We can pause for a while to win a good battle.

 

No, you can't pause. It's fucking fall 2012. There is no taking a time out of your presidential campaign to prove Rachel Maddow wrong. We have momentum. You take time out to defend anything at this point. You move forward. No stopping. Again, we have plenty of plants, sadly, to feature. Probably in Wis. alone.

 

At this point, the rule is, if you want to make a point, but have to spend time parsing the details and defending the timeline, it's a waste of time.

127

It's unworkable.

 

How about the parents of  a child who gets sick in the middle of the night and needs to go to the hospital, but the electric car isn't charged  and won't move?

 

Then  what?

 

Still unworkable...

128 >>>120 OMG, Akin is within 1 pt of McCaskill in a new PPP poll? The poll only has a R+2 advantage??? He may win it there despite his own stupidity. Clairebear seems to not be able to help herself get ahead even when we give her a seat. If he does win, it will have nothing to do with his political skills and campaigning. It will be because he is the acceptable Giant Douche to McCaskill's Turd Sandwich.

129 Is the February 2008 campaign appearance by POTUS in Janesville the only one in the last four years for which there's no video footage???

130 How do they do that, when the Supremes already said the Photo ID for voting was OK? Precedent is for little people.

131 A few months vs 100 years.  So Obama was 1% right and 99% wrong.  What's the big deal?  This is actually pretty good for him.

132 My only comment about Akin (for now) has to do with the Senate.  After last night and some poll movements lately, I'm sure hoping we are not just trying to gain control of the Senate.  I hope we have our sights set a little higher.  DaveInFL -  can't we win up to 55 seats? 

133 Do the Dems have a keynote speaker?



(NY Times) Five women who worked for Vito J. Lopez, the assemblyman at the center of a broadening sexual harassment scandal, described in interviews an atmosphere of sexual pressure and crude language in his office, with frequent unwanted advances by him and others, requests for provocative dress, personal questions about their boyfriends and fears of reprisals if they complained.

By their accounts, Mr. Lopez, 71, a Brooklyn Democrat, told some women not to wear bras to work. He requested they wear short skirts and high heels. He gave them cash to buy jewelry and complimented them on their figures, giving special attention to those he called “well endowed.”

He asked about their personal lives, urging them to break up with boyfriends, and berated those women — all of whom were new to politics — who did not compliment him effusively enough, according to several of the women interviewed.

Sounds like a rising star in the party. A regular Clinton or Kennedy

134 122 NGU,

Hence "whores' which is actually a disservice since the kind of screwing they give you at least results in an orgasm....

I hate the left

135 We would be well served to remember that all Judges are also Lawyers and Lawyers are, well lawyers

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 30, 2012 12:30 PM (05RcU)

 

*looks around for AmishDude*   We're talking about lawyers, so he's got to be around here somewhere.

136 At this point, the rule is, if you want to make a point, but have to spend time parsing the details and defending the timeline, it's a waste of time. You don't defend ads, you present them and move on.

137 123 Romeo 13,

they are gonna try to hide behind the ACA '65 section 5 justification I'll need to read the merits of their "ruling"....they are gonna try to cheat Texas blue

138

"Great idea, but waste of breath. Romney will never do this. The GOP still doesn't get the nature of this war or of the media. Breitbart was a beautiful freak. He inspired followers but he didn't reach the politicians. "

 

Right, just like he turned down the idea of throwing a surprise presser in front of Solyndra.

 

OH WAIT.

139 How about the parents of a child who gets sick in the middle of the night and needs to go to the hospital, but the electric car isn't charged and won't move?

Then what?


They should have called the government for a ride, and while they wait, their friendly local Resource Efficiency Panel runs the child's age/weight/race through their algorithm and decides whether the child deserves to be seen at the hospital or not...and chances are the answer is "No, and we're not wasting an ambulance ride so little Susie can get a shot of morphine and die in peace."


Da da da.

140 *looks around for AmishDude* We're talking about lawyers, so he's got to be around here somewhere.

Hey, isn't AtC a lawyer too?  Or is she tech-support?  I can't remember.

141 No, you can't pause. It's fucking fall 2012. There is no taking a time out of your presidential campaign to prove Rachel Maddow wrong. We have momentum. You take time out to defend anything at this point. You move forward. No stopping. Posted by: CJ at August 30, 2012 12:30 PM (9KqcB)


L'audace, l'audace, toujours l'audace

142 Or is she tech-support? AV.

143 141 EC,

sacrifices have to be made....sorry Ace, AD, AtC(?), etc etc etc......but you need to grab the GOP's slippers we're taking you huntin' ole yeller...

144 We would be well served to remember that all Judges are also Lawyers and Lawyers are, well lawyers Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 30, 2012 12:30 PM (05RcU) *looks around for AmishDude* We're talking about lawyers, so he's got to be around here somewhere. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at August 30, 2012 12:32 PM (4df7R) I should add: With all due respect to the Moron Lawyers here

145

Sudafed?   You'll need an ID for tht.

Vote?  Come on in and vote as often as you'd like.

146 The Supremes  ruled on IN's voter ID, but Texas is governed under a different set of rules because 150 years ago it seceded.  Let's hope Roberts gets this right next term.  Its time to treat all states equally.

147
34 Next commercial.... you talk about Obama's new Cafe Standards... of 55 miles per gallon fleet AVERAGE in 15 years.... when there is NO car today that can do that at all.... and due to basic science, it may be impossible for any reasonably sized Passenger vehicle to attain that (pesky Physics).
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 30, 2012 12:11 PM (lZBBB)

The Laws of thermodynamics are made to be repealed!

Give me another four years and I will accomplish this!

148 My take on Akin - we've done SO WELL that even Akin  is getting  a jostle  in on the Great Red Tide.

149

L'audace, l'audace, toujours l'audace

 

 

Posted by: Shit Napoleon Said, Vol. I at August 30, 2012 12:33 PM (sbV1u)

 

 

Yup....

150 We are extecting most of you to be on foot and bicycles by then. Posted by: USA EPA at August 30, 2012 12:16 PM (1Y+hH) ----------------------------------------------------- I still get to keep my chauffeured Zil though right?

151 146 SH,

amen....either we are a nation of "equal justice under law" of we're not because if the left wants to play Lawfare...let's get the part started.

152 HetherRadish, interesting factoid.  Totalitarian tyrants seem to always say their stuff will last 100 years or 1,000 years.

In the case of East Germany, the Trebant might last 1,000 years since its made of a plastic concoction that can't be recycled.

153 I've been "discussing" all night and all morning. This is not a game. It's not 6 dimensional chess and you make your move and try for the win. It's not who can find the best way to wrap a lie in what appears to be the truth. I watched the ari fleischer piece at media matters. They were getting down to minutia, they were parsing words, they were attempting to change the idea being conveyed then to something that would be more palatable for the here and now. It is what it is. It was what it was. You can't go back and change it now because it's been proven that the promises, the hope, the change, hasn't happened.

154 92 I guess it makes sense that convention time is the signal to unleash "the concerned".

155

Really, go look at what the other "fact checkers" are saying, it's ridiculous. I know I pimp my own blog (yes, I have one) a lot here, but I think the take down of Sally Kohn's piece is important- these are the lines they're all regurgitating, and we need to call them out as the liars they are.

 

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 30, 2012 12:28 PM (8y9MW)

 

Ok. I'm rabid about going after lies quickly and mercilessly. If this is getting wide play, go for it. Like I said, I didn't scour the web, just went to a pretty good leading indicator, CNN.

 

I'd rather wait 24 hours to see if its worth the effort of a full scale PR Operation. We love Ryan, but the actual candidate is preparing to get his message out tonight.

156 even Akin is getting a jostle in on the Great Red Tide.

Did you mean to make a vag joke? I'm choking to death laughing over here, and it's even funnier if it was unintentional.

157 Oh, can't be. I heard he totally blew himself up, took away the Senate, the House, the Presidency, and every governorship. Even better. If he wins, he won't be beholden to any Republicans.

158 153 CE,

fuck the media....

I got 5 words for them....

"do you want a job?"

159 In the case of East Germany, the Trebant might last 1,000 years since its made of a plastic concoction that can't be recycled.

Wasn't it made out of cellulose, a paper product like what hardcover books are made from?

160

"How about the parents of a child who gets sick in the middle of the
night and needs to go to the hospital, but the electric car isn't
charged and won't move? "

 

LIGHT RAIL!  We'll make sure that there are train stops near all of the major hospitals.

161

Jack M.

Me like Jack M.

This is some well written stuff baby.

 

162 Even better. If he wins, he won't be beholden to any Republicans. Posted by: Golan Globus at August 30, 2012 12:38 PM (7vSU0) He's still a jackass and a fool. But if he wins, I guess he will not be the first one of those those in the Senate

163

Posted by: SH at August 30, 2012 12:35 PM (gmeXX)

 

Then they should be able to get an immediate Supreme Court hearing... as this is an unequal application of the Law... AND sets a Law above the Constitution itself...

 

But we can thank the Repubs for this stupidity, as they had the chance to get rid of this Unconstitutional Law... and did not...

164 There is no truth to the rumor that the Dems are erecting a giant clock counting all the abortions accomplished in the US since Roe v. Wade to celebrate "choice."

165

Akin is getting a jostle in on the Great Red Tide.

 

Red tide at morning Akin take warning...

166 HetherRadish, interesting factoid. Totalitarian tyrants seem to always say their stuff will last 100 years or 1,000 years.

Powers of ten seem to be good rhetorical devices.  Thousand points of light.

The fascinating part is Honecker said this eight months before it all went pear-shaped.  Bwahaha.

167 Ever since Loggins left him, Messina's been a dick

168 "Where Republicans refuse to cooperate on things that I know are good for the American people, I will continue to look for ways to do it administratively and work around Congress."

-Barack Obama

169

Off topic,  I liked that line last night:  "I'll be damned, we're republicans."

 

And I'm interested in conversion stories, but I have never had one.  As long as I can remember, I have been fairly conservative and have identified with Republicans.  I've never had the epiphany.   Sometimes I feel cheated, then I realize it was simply because I was right all along.

170 >>>157 Even better. If he wins, he won't be beholden to any Republicans. Yeah, this. Even if we win a 51 majority in the Senate, any bets on one or two aspiring RINOs wanting to be media superhero for a week by voting with the Dems? Remember Jeffords, McCain, Spector, etc? This is why Akin's ONE SEAT is so fucking critical. We need as many votes as possible.

171

HR - obviously that was a legitimate vag joke.  If it hadn't have been,  my brain has ways of shutting that whole joke-making thing down.

 

*sigh*  Full Disclosure - no,  it was a suprise-joke.

172 168 "Where Republicans refuse to cooperate on things that I know are good for the American people, I will continue to look for ways to do it administratively and work around Congress." -Barack Obama Posted by: EC at August 30, 2012 12:40 PM (GQ8sn) In my mind, that's an impeachable statement, but hey, left's not give a sh*t about the co-equal branches

173 Ever since Loggins left him, Messina's been a dick Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 30, 2012 12:40 PM (136wp) Well not everyone can live such an upstanding life like I did?

174

As I get ready to head into the desert (don't even ask) I'm thinking I can't be delirious just yet...heck it ain't even 108 yet.  So I'm thinking in the collective as I listen to Elvin Bishop sing... I [sic] "we fooled around and fell in love." R/R.

 

175

Speaking of Snarlin' Arlin, apparently he's got cancer now.

 

We're looking at YOU, MITT ROMNEY!

176
You will lose the toolbar, but it doesn't work anyway.

You mean like a black person? Of course YOU think that because you're a racist.

*even though the idea was born in my head, we both know that's the way YOU think

177

Ever since Loggins left him, Messina's been a dick

 

Say what you want about Mussina...20 game winner, 7 gold gloves.   The guy was a great pitcher.

178 Hey, isn't AtC a lawyer too? Or is she tech-support? I can't remember. Non-practicing attorney, in my prior job I was Jill of all trades and did all the briefing and other drafting work, ran the litigation support a/v stuff and did lowend IT (ie this is what's wrong, I can't fix it) stuff. Current job is straight up support staff stuff for small general practice firm. So, lemme see if I understand. Is the plant closing six month after Obama is inaugurated really means it was closed before he was elected the same as how a lesser rate of increase in a budget is the same as a cut to the budget? Math. How does that fucking work?

179 Ever since Loggins left him, Messina's been a dick Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 30, 2012 12:40 PM (136wp) ----------------------------------------------------- I agree. Messina is a no talent ass clown.

180 @163.  I  think the Supremes will dispense of the law next term.  Admittedly, it is weak sauce to rely on the Supremes to do your dirty work since we all know that the  SC often fails in its duty.  But I'm willing to be patient on this one  since it  is part of one of  the most landmark federal laws in our country's history.  Doesn't mean this application is right, or that it should have been extended, just that it  is  very difficult to touch. 

181

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 30, 2012 12:27 PM (lZBBB)

 

Yes, I get it and thanks.

182

Jack M - I'm thinking we need to get you an agent brother. With prose like this... this is solid stuff.

Ace - don't let him go.

183 The DC court is probably going to rule against the SC ID law as well.  TX and SC should join forced and demand an emergency session of the Supreme Court and an expedited hearing in time for the election.



This was the strategy of Holder all along.  These new ID laws are all based on the GA law which the Supremes upheld.  They are lying jackals who maintain that the States can not show that it has no impact on minority voting despite the fact that all the laws have provisions for "free" IDs for those who can not afford them.


They say you have to prove a negative to win these cases, something the law has never required before. Unfortunately the Supremes do not start back up until October and that is too late for this election.


Holder knew this.

184 You know I think there is panic not so much cause of what ryan said in his speech but because, against all advices from them, the republicans went there, they went there, they honored GWB...and then, they went further, without mentioning his name condoleesa rice defended him and the administration beautifully. That was the signal that really frightened them....romney has no fear is what that signaled.

185 A three-judge panel in Washington ruled Thursday that the law imposes "strict, unforgiving burdens on the poor" and noted that racial minorities in Texas are more likely to live in poverty. Obviously the judges failed to read the amendments to the law that include provisions for the poor and those who can't afford the documentation. Not to mention the amendment that states you can vote without ID but you have to come back in a week to sign an affidavit stating you are who you claim to be. AG Abbott will take this to the SC but it will be too late for this election.

186

Posted by: Art Garfunkel at August 30, 2012 12:43 PM (jucos)

 

Please tell me you have clothes on...or at least a fucking towel.

187

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 30, 2012 12:18 PM (lZBBB)

 

I hate those giant electrical transmission lines....the ones with the big towers.

They're a necessary evil.

But it's dangerous to live beside them.

 

My parents moved to a nice house that was located near one...

Within 6 months, they both developed health problems.....within a year, my dad was in the hospital.

They were both healthy when they moved into that house.

Now they are dead.

 

There is enough electricity leakage from those high-voltage transmission lines....to activate a florescent light bulb, in your hand...standing near one.

This electricity leakage seems to affect everyone differently.

It seems to activate minor or latent health problems that weren't a problem before.

 

The greenies are such hypocrites.

Electric cars will create the demand for even more of those giant transmission lines....scarring the landscape, and rendering huge swaths of land....unliveable.

Greenies don't want the power plants located near them.

But they don't seem to mind poluting the landscape with those giant transmission lines.

188 Fact checking the lying fucks... http://tinyurl.com/9g6kz8c link to Townhall

189 EC we were both partially right -

This is the car that gave Communism a bad name. Powered by a two-stroke pollution generator that maxed out at an ear-splitting 18 hp, the Trabant was a hollow lie of a car constructed of recycled worthlessness (actually, the body was made of a fiberglass-like Duroplast, reinforced with recycled fibers like cotton and wood). A virtual antique when it was designed in the 1950s, the Trabant was East Germany's answer to the VW Beetle — a "people's car," as if the people didn't have enough to worry about. Trabants smoked like an Iraqi oil fire, when they ran at all, and often lacked even the most basic of amenities, like brake lights or turn signals. But history has been kind to the Trabi. Thousands of East Germans drove their Trabants over the border when the Wall fell, which made it a kind of automotive liberator. Once across the border, the none-too-sentimental Ostdeutschlanders immediately abandoned their cars. Ich bin Junk!

From Time Magazine's 50 Worst Cars of All Time
http://tinyurl.com/yt8avv

190 After talking about East Germany and Erich Honecker, I will be confusing him with Eric Holder a lot I think.

191 Vote Id post up at my place.

192

LIGHT RAIL! We'll make sure that there are train stops near all of the major hospitals.

 

They are actually doing that in Lakewood Colorado. One line from near downtown Denver has a stop at St. Anthony's Hospital in Lakewood, at the Federal Center, of all things.

 

One stop for all your needs. The locals are scared to death that the gangs will ride out to the burbs and cause mayhem.

193 DOJ seen working in coordination with OWS at the RNC last night, high fiving and all

194 EC we were both partially right -


I remember reading something else about how owners never bothered to secure them.  They just left the car parked at a curb and didn't mind when someone else took theirs, because it was too worthless to get bothered up over it.  They just knew another Trabant was down the street that they could "borrow" too.

195 "If he does win, it will have nothing to do with his political skills and campaigning. It will be because he is the acceptable Giant Douche to McCaskill's Turd Sandwich."

What the Obamaniks don't understand is that 99% of the voters in this country believe, for starters, that politicians are pretty much Giant Douches.

 I also presume that most of the residents of the Great State Of Missouri understand that Mr. Akin opposes any sort of rape on general principle, and that over time, more relevant topics will take center stage during the election season. 

Senator McCaskill, however, will still be Senator McKaskill.

196 Sock Off

197

Thank you for the nice words at 182, umm, "Journolist". With your screen name, I don't know whether to accept the compliments humbly, or wonder if I'm being punked.

So I'll accept them!

198 Where's the epic poetry?

199 "Senator McCaskill, however, will still be Senator McKaskill."

It's good to be a Moron!

200

There was a great UK Top Gear episode where they did a comparison  test to determine what was Communism's Greatest Car.

 

 

I don't remember any of the  car  names, but some of the specs were interesting.  One of them  had a rubber stopper you pulled out of the floorboard, so that you could ice-fish from   the comfort of the car.  Another had brake drums made out of metal so  poor in quality it would   soften  under heavy braking.

201 Great idea.  Unfortunately, it doesn't tie into the "Obama is a great guy" meme of the establishment GOP.

202 Bitch, you gonna believe me, or your lyin' eyes?

203 Just came to ace. RE This:  Even saw Major Garrett do this this am. Said plant closed in 2008. Sheesh

204 The other piece of crap that's going around is that Ryan is responsible for the lowering of the debt rating because he and other members of the GOP didn't want to extend borrowing, and that's what hurt the rating, because we would have defaulted.

So it's not the record deficit spending that caused the borrowing limit to be hit (and all this w/o a Senate budget. Just spend, spend); it's the fact that the GOP wanted to put some brakes on the spending.

Really sick twisted logic.

205 Just FYI, Politifact is trying to insert that Ryan claimed Obama "promised" to turn the conversation into a semantic debate.

206 I just read on the internet that Jim Messina fucks little boys.  The question becomes, how jealous is Hairy Reid of Jimmy cutting into his stash?

207 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

208

127 How about the parents of a child who gets sick in the middle of the night and needs to go to the hospital, but the electric car isn't charged and won't move?

 

------

 

Summon the ambulamps. 'Cause when seconds count, the ambulamps is only minutes away.

 

209 Open a roller blade tuning tent with strippers wheeling about serving leinies

210 That's a great idea, man. I've been reading WaPo today where they've got an op-ed and 3 or 4 blog posts that accuse Ryan of lying on Janesville. (Jen Rubin has a great rebuttal post, btw.) Would love to see Ryan take it to the media narrative the way you suggest -- particularly because I am somewhat concerned that this whole bullshit LIE meme might actually gain traction, and a live, on-site rebuttal would be a perfect way to knock it the fuck down.

211 Guantanamo's open, and Janesville is closed.