June 28, 2012
And Now Obama Blathers On
— Ace Giving it to him on ObamaTax. Quotes now posted at Weekly Standard.
Obama's speech is here, wrapping up.
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Posted by: Adc at June 28, 2012 07:55 AM (JJJ5P)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 07:55 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: DrSmith at June 28, 2012 07:56 AM (oGyUC)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 07:56 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 07:56 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 07:57 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 07:57 AM (Xb3hu)
"ObamaCare is a job-killer"
He needs to keep hammering this line.
Because...it is.
Small businesses will now have to stay....small....and not hire any more people, lest they go above the dreaded '50 employee' number.
Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 07:58 AM (0T8H7)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 07:58 AM (OL4L4)
Posted by: DrSmith at June 28, 2012 11:56 AM (oGyUC)
Actually, I think this bill could be repealed via reconciliation in the Senate just as it was passed - with 51 votes.
Posted by: reginaldL at June 28, 2012 07:58 AM (jYlRN)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 07:58 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 07:58 AM (B/yDO)
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 07:58 AM (XYqoq)
Mitt Romney....
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 07:59 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: JonathanEllis at June 28, 2012 07:59 AM (BdzEV)
Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 07:59 AM (E0rp6)
Posted by: aj4coco at June 28, 2012 08:00 AM (lcLVK)
Althouse:
Romney has at least 3 big arguments:
1. Obama imposed a huge new tax on working people.
2. Obama deceived the American people by saying it was not a tax, when it was.
3. The law made it look like money would go to insurance companies — in the form of new premiums — that would keep premiums low as the companies were required to take on people with pre-existing conditions, but now we find out that the money is really going to go to the federal government. [ADDED: So get ready for your premiums to spiral up and/or for insurance companies to be ruined.]
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 08:00 AM (9KqcB)
Say good bye to medical research and innovation.
I'm damned glad I'm old. I feel really sorry for the grandkids. They'll grow up never knowing the America I knew.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 08:00 AM (d0Tfm)
Mitt is all we have left to pin our hopes on at this point - along with Boehner, Cantor, and McConnell.
Backbones of steel, those 4.
Never said this before in my life, but I need to down a full bottle of the best red wine I can buy.
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 08:00 AM (Ks0w4)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 08:00 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Mr Pink at June 28, 2012 08:00 AM (MpDjI)
Posted by: Filly at June 28, 2012 08:01 AM (xiJmL)
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at June 28, 2012 08:01 AM (qwK3S)
Oh well. You go to war with the candidate you have, to mangle a metaphor.
Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at June 28, 2012 08:01 AM (GBXon)
I am telling you people, John Roberts just rolled a Trojan Horse up to the gates of Libville and they pulled it right in.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at June 28, 2012 08:01 AM (hlUJY)
Don't expect anything to change if you vote for the lesser of two evils. After decades of Americans voting for bad people like Romney (right, right, the other guy is worse) this is where we've gotten.
But let's keep doing the same thing. This time we'll get the results we want, won't we? well, won't we?
Posted by: Leon at June 28, 2012 08:01 AM (ptudu)
Posted by: AndrewsDad at June 28, 2012 08:02 AM (C2//T)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at June 28, 2012 08:02 AM (CA2NO)
Posted by: pashmr at June 28, 2012 08:02 AM (3aNC4)
Agreed. And why the fuck did he give his tax cuts a 10 year lifespan?
Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 08:02 AM (E0rp6)
Just listened to Romney's comment listing the numerous reasons that Obamacare must be repealed -- tax increases, Medicare cuts, deficit increases, people losing the insurance they want, ALL GOOD THINGS, but one thing was missing.
The. Individual. Mandate.
The idea that the government has the right to compel you to enter a private contract.
He's not rising to the occasion.
Posted by: Lawrence at June 28, 2012 08:02 AM (mEopI)
"President Obama talks about the importance of prevention in a way that suggests that when people have heart attacks it's their own fault. But my wife, a longtime vegetarian and marathon runner, had a freak heart attack at the age of 37."
http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/36944
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 08:03 AM (/kI1Q)
And what about the poor, how much are they forced to pay?
Michelle Bachman was interviewed on CNN. I wish there was a transcript. She said the Supremes re wrote the law....
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 08:03 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 11:58 AM (OL4L4)
No way. They got every vote they needed to pass it. And they will have every vote they need to block it. There is no limit to their corruption and thirst for power. None.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 28, 2012 08:03 AM (+4Ho1)
30Pussy speech. Don't tell us what parts of it you'll KEEP, Mitt. We need to hear you will strafe it and bomb the rubble.
I agree. Start the whole process over. it wasn't passed legitimately the first time around and in the face of the American people, so none of it should be law in the first place.
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 08:03 AM (Ks0w4)
You don't need 60 de-fund. If the next pres wants to not pass the budget with the de-funding and shut down the government then even better.
Posted by: Louie Luigi at June 28, 2012 08:04 AM (TwA2l)
It's a joke to think he'll offer up a repeal option if he's elected. It'll never happen.
Posted by: lorien1973 at June 28, 2012 08:04 AM (0tkqC)
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 08:04 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 08:04 AM (HtU5U)
Posted by: Darth Randall at June 28, 2012 08:05 AM (o6aXi)
Heh.
Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at June 28, 2012 08:05 AM (GBXon)
He said he disagrees with the ruling, so I thought that was implied. But yes, I would have liked to hear that hammered.
Posted by: Filly at June 28, 2012 08:05 AM (xiJmL)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at June 28, 2012 08:05 AM (CA2NO)
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2012 08:05 AM (ejmiE)
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Just listened to Romney's comment listing the numerous reasons that Obamacare must be repealed -- tax increases, Medicare cuts, deficit increases, people losing the insurance they want, ALL GOOD THINGS, but one thing was missing.
The. Individual. Mandate.
Mitt has never backed off the individual mandate meme - federally or in Mass. That's a big reason why he worries me.
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 08:05 AM (Ks0w4)
Posted by: Ruby at June 28, 2012 08:05 AM (QAUe4)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2012 08:05 AM (1Jaio)
The problem with this law, among many things including its very existence, is that like many others it goes on automatic from here on out. In addition to calling it a tax, they can now increase that tax wily-nily and attempt to keep it under the radar.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 28, 2012 08:05 AM (EtuU3)
Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 08:05 AM (+usC4)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at June 28, 2012 08:06 AM (CA2NO)
The parts he'll keep was a very important part of that speech. This may be the only time he's got the libs/dems/independents sitting there hearing him. He doesn't care about you right now, he knows he has you, it's them he needs and wants, he had to tell them not to worry that he'd keep the stuff they like and get rid of the stuff they don't.
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 08:06 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 08:07 AM (i330i)
I like this. He already voted for the repeal once, but can't hurt to get the meme out there.
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 08:07 AM (/kI1Q)
But now it's right in his lap.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at June 28, 2012 08:07 AM (hlUJY)
Posted by: s☺mej☼e at June 28, 2012 08:07 AM (HNn1q)
It's so on you fuckwad you won't know what hit you.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 08:07 AM (Qxdfp)
President Bush is the worst fucking President of all time.
Agreed. And why the fuck did he give his tax cuts a 10 year lifespan?
Posted by: Sean
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IIRC, it was politics -- to get it passed. C'mon, Carter is still the worst. Bush, though, AND the Congressional GOP; yuck.
The problem when you nominate a guy who really cannot speak in public is that he cannot make use of the bully pulpit. If he saw the Fannie/Freddie crap coming down the road, he should've called it out. Of course, he couldn't. At least while the Left ridiculed Reagan, it never ridiculed his ability to communicate.
Posted by: SFGoth at June 28, 2012 08:07 AM (dZ756)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at June 28, 2012 08:07 AM (ZhEoC)
Posted by: Win Some, Lose Some! But Mainly Lose. at June 28, 2012 08:08 AM (sv/s3)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 08:08 AM (OL4L4)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 08:08 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Ruby at June 28, 2012 08:08 AM (QAUe4)
Posted by: JonathanEllis at June 28, 2012 11:59 AM (BdzEV)
To all you morons and moronettes:
I voiced my anger and contributed... have you???
Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 08:08 AM (Bxm/r)
Posted by: SurferDoc at June 28, 2012 08:08 AM (6H6FZ)
Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 08:08 AM (+usC4)
Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 12:02 PM (E0rp6)
Because that's what could pass the Senate.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at June 28, 2012 08:08 AM (nZvGM)
From Gov. Scott Walker (R-Ballsosteel) on Twitter: "Wisconsin will not take any action to implement ObamaCare."
Any chance of a Walker/Rand Paul ticket? Now? Please?
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 08:08 AM (Ks0w4)
You may think it's clear but you rely on nothing but inference. Your conviction is based on opinion.
Do you believe we had a free market in h-care in 2008? That the system prior to ACA was a wonderful arrangement?
Of course not. It was a bastardized, cannibalized mixed mess of a market.
No interstate market for insurance? That should have been and will have to be remedied through law.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 28, 2012 08:08 AM (famk3)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at June 28, 2012 08:09 AM (CA2NO)
Posted by: Ruby at June 28, 2012 12:08 PM (QAUe4)
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Can you come to my house? I'm too dejected to clean...
Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 08:09 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: JonathanEllis at June 28, 2012 11:59 AM (BdzEV)
To the asshole who passed his own mandate? Fuck him.
Posted by: lorien1973 at June 28, 2012 08:09 AM (0tkqC)
Posted by: taylork at June 28, 2012 08:09 AM (ppNDn)
Wrong; it's a tax, remember?
Posted by: TallDave at June 28, 2012 08:09 AM (/s1LA)
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 12:05 PM (Ks0w4)
Yeah the folks I'm watching with caught that too.
But, what is the alternative?
Rubio on CNN sounding fabulous..."millions of Americans are going to have an IRS problem now"
Fat Kan di...is arguing with Rubio trying to play gotcha...
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 08:10 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 08:10 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 08:10 AM (E0rp6)
The GOP would need 60 Senate seats to break a fillibuster, so Obamacare
is here to stay. And for the lefties, losing a second Obama term is a
small price to pay for the political achievement of a lifetime. There
is no going back now.
Posted by: DrSmith at June 28, 2012 11:56 AM (oGyUC)Actually, I think this bill could be repealed via reconciliation in the Senate just as it was passed - with 51 votes.
Posted by: reginaldL at June 28, 2012 11:58 AM (jYlRN)
IIRC, there's a provision in the bill requires a supermajority to repeal it. Tricky bastards, those Democrats (BIRM).
Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 28, 2012 08:10 AM (kqqGm)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 28, 2012 08:10 AM (+4Ho1)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at June 28, 2012 08:10 AM (b2Hlt)
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 08:10 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Win Some, Lose Some! But Mainly Lose. at June 28, 2012 08:10 AM (sv/s3)
I am so fucking sick you mewling and puking and bitching that Romney won't get up there, rip his shirt off, and start slashing his chest with a knife to show how much he BLEEDS WITH THE RAGE YOU FEEL blah blah blah. Now more than ever it matters that we win. You guys? You're looking for political cumshots. You just want someone to jizz on your faces with hot salty maximalist rhetoric so you can feel the warmth of your own political passions reflected back at you. But the only people who do that are losing candidates.
Want to be pissed off about this ruling? Go ahead -- you should be. I am too (though not as much as many, as I think this is majorly to our advantage politically). But stop intentionally trying to pour poison into our ears, Hamlet-style, with the whole "oh Mitt will just keep Obamacare he's evil!" shit.
That is all. And if you don't like it, then again: suck on my big sweaty balls, because I don't give a flying fuck whether you like it or not.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 08:11 AM (FCfv5)
Posted by: schizoid at June 28, 2012 08:11 AM (RAWKi)
Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 08:11 AM (TomZ9)
Now that the Traitor-in-Chief has 2 1/2 of the three branches of government enrolled in the Choom Gang, and the other fraction is "led" by gutless eunuchs like Bitch McConnell and Boner, work can proceed unhindered on many new programs that will destroy the United States.
I admire the optimism some of you are showing, but the facts are pretty friggin' clear. The Constitution has survived some daunting challenges since it was written, but was not designed to triumph over a Domestic Enemy like President Historic First©..
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 28, 2012 08:11 AM (MQc8e)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at June 28, 2012 08:11 AM (ZhEoC)
Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 08:11 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 08:11 AM (+usC4)
Unless you're an approved religion or group that will be exempted. And will the IRS be showing up to get the 'tax' as illegals show up at ERs for their free medical care, or will this just be the responsibility of the poor law-abiding suckers?
Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2012 08:12 AM (MMC8r)
4 The GOP would need 60 Senate seats to break a fillibuster, so Obamacare is here to stay. And for the lefties, losing a second Obama term is a small price to pay for the political achievement of a lifetime. There is no going back now.
Posted by: DrSmith at June 28, 2012 11:56 AM (oGyUC)
Plz don't be stupid. Republicans only need 50 on budgetary issues. If we can get 50 senators we can put Obamacare in the budget and kill it.
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 28, 2012 08:12 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Eeyore Wyatt Earp at June 28, 2012 08:12 AM (t2pCN)
Posted by: Typical Libtard at June 28, 2012 08:12 AM (BDd0G)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at June 28, 2012 12:11 PM (ZhEoC)
lol
Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 08:12 AM (tw6Ar)
The media cannot call it other than it is -- a tax.
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When has the truth of a situation ever ever ever stopped the media from presenting the dnc-approved position as news in this country? They'll call it one thing and one thing only: a big win for Obamao and a big win for all the poor, down-trodden Americans who've been getting sodomized by the evil insurance companies. Truth has no place in their messiah relection plans.
Posted by: TiredWench at June 28, 2012 08:12 AM (oPceJ)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 08:12 AM (OL4L4)
Posted by: Mr Pink at June 28, 2012 08:12 AM (MpDjI)
Posted by: Chris R, red in NY-9 at June 28, 2012 08:13 AM (v362Z)
Posted by: Non Documented South of the Border Worker at June 28, 2012 08:13 AM (jucos)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at June 28, 2012 08:13 AM (b2Hlt)
remember his confirmation hearings...he's not a rock the boat kind of guy...
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 08:13 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Red Mosquito at June 28, 2012 08:13 AM (jo0fs)
Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 12:10 PM (E0rp6)
Considering he was arguing about the need to reform medicare in his 20's before Ryan was even a Congressman, YES.
But some of you can't get past the: "I think he's not eligible" crap. Well guess what, SCOTUS has now decided rules don't matter, why should we follow the rules when freedoms are getting taken.
Jindal's eligible, but even if he wasn't, how is that even a valid reason to say no to him at this point...
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:13 AM (i3OIF)
Posted by: schizoid at June 28, 2012 12:11 PM (RAWKi)
that is the way of the GOP, shouldn't be a surprise
Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 08:13 AM (tw6Ar)
Really, the Dems are just looking out for your best interests. Remember to vote Dem this fall to get more wonderful innovations using your paycheck. After all, you didn't actually want that new car; this way is MUCH better.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 28, 2012 08:13 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Ian S. at June 28, 2012 08:14 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 08:14 AM (TomZ9)
His one big thing was that he "kept us safe," but if you count 9/11, he didn't even do that!
Fuck up in EVERY possible way.
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 08:14 AM (B/yDO)
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 08:14 AM (oZfic)
You know who is *not* gloating? .....Chris Wallace.
He is very glum.
Wallace said straight up....that this will bode very badly for the Dems in November.
Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 08:14 AM (0T8H7)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 08:14 AM (136wp)
It's not the fucking Oscars
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 08:15 AM (B/yDO)
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 28, 2012 08:15 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 08:15 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 12:08 PM (+usC4)
This. But I'm screwed living in Illinois
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2012 08:15 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 28, 2012 08:15 AM (HLFzM)
Posted by: Chris R, red in NY-9 at June 28, 2012 08:15 AM (v362Z)
Today needs to be Romney's best fundraising day.
Posted by: JonathanEllis at June 28, 2012 11:59 AM (BdzEV)
Today needs to be Romney's worst fundraising day. If the GOP can make money by screwing us, they will screw us more.
Posted by: schizoid at June 28, 2012 08:16 AM (RAWKi)
Posted by: Auto-Signer at June 28, 2012 08:16 AM (136wp)
Stocks of hospital companies rose sharply and insurance companies fell Thursday after the Supreme Court upheld a requirement that almost all Americans carry health insurance.
The stock of Hospital Corp. of America, the largest private hospital chain in the United States, rose a little more than 7 percent. Quest Diagnostics, which runs laboratories, rose almost 3 percent.
Insurance companies were down sharply as analysts rushed to sort out the ruling. UnitedHealth Group stock fell almost 3 percent, WellPoint 6 percent and Aetna 3.6 percent.
Ah, free men and free markets....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 08:16 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at June 28, 2012 08:16 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 28, 2012 08:16 AM (i0App)
Well, having been born and bred in Philly, I can almost assure you this fucking state will go blue in November. My asshole fellow citizens in Philly will see to that. And with the rampant voter fraud - something the national GOP never really fights - I think it'll be a close race. Cheaters usually win close races.
Posted by: Eeyore Wyatt Earp at June 28, 2012 08:16 AM (t2pCN)
Folks are missing the Forest, for the Trees.
Repeal does not override the Precedent which was just set... That the Congress can tax inactivity... that they can tax ANYTHING for ANY REASON.
The Power to Tax, is the Power to Coerce. This legitamized the use of the Tax Code to force us to do what the Government says... because unlike Mr. Roberts (I'll no longer call him Judge)... I seem to remember people going to JAIL for TAX EVASION.
Add in that Roberts just put into precedent that the Court will look for any EXCUSE and side with Fed Gov Power, against the RIGHTS of the People... that their Job is to back up the Congress, NOT protect the People???
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2012 08:16 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Lizabth at June 28, 2012 08:16 AM (JZBti)
Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 08:16 AM (cUmUy)
Posted by: TFC3Tweets at June 28, 2012 08:16 AM (Umv2b)
Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 08:16 AM (+usC4)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at June 28, 2012 08:17 AM (QxSug)
Man oh man this is Chicago politics at its finest..........the government forcing people to purchase a product from a government-approved "supplier" or pay a huge tax to the government.
Obama is leaving the Daley family in the dust, they never did anything this evil.
Posted by: Boots at June 28, 2012 08:17 AM (neKzn)
Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 08:17 AM (eHNxr)
Posted by: Lauren at June 28, 2012 08:17 AM (hNLFW)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 08:18 AM (136wp)
Posted by: JDTAY at June 28, 2012 08:18 AM (a0nis)
Posted by: taylork at June 28, 2012 08:18 AM (ppNDn)
No, the Paultard's are not 'in mourning.' They're here to bang pots and pans in the belief that screaming and insulting us will get to vote for RuPaul.
I'll give them consistency, but respect has to be earned not demanded.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 28, 2012 08:18 AM (famk3)
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 12:11 PM (FCfv5)
Your act is getting old. We are stuck with a wealthy, successfull businessman running against phony politician who is somehow able to convince middle class voters that they deserve free crap and those rich people are meanies and can afford high taxes.
We have to essentially win this election like a marthoner trying to win a race with no legs.
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:18 AM (i3OIF)
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 12:11 PM (FCfv5)
Oh stop it and grow up, Jeff B. I hate Obama with a passion. Mitt is all we have, and I realize that. I was a big supporter of his in 2008. And I will definitely vote for him this time around. I would simply like him to be passionate and show some balls of steel on this issue, like Scott Walker or Rand Paul. If there were EVER a time to passionately and fervently display his disgust with this entire atrocity, it's now. The word parsing and the neglect to disavow the individual mandate is what makes folks like me uneasy.
Maybe I don't know you well enough, but sounds like you would have been on the side of the wimps at the State Dept who crossed out the line "Mr Gorbachov, tear down this wall."
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 08:18 AM (Ks0w4)
Posted by: s☺mej☼e at June 28, 2012 08:18 AM (HNn1q)
If Manchin gets reelected in 2012, he will be liberal for 4 years then tack to the center for the 2 years leading up to the 2018 election. And it will work because West Virginians always buy it.
Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 08:18 AM (E0rp6)
Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 08:19 AM (TomZ9)
That is all. And if you don't like it, then again: suck on my big sweaty balls, because I don't give a flying fuck whether you like it or not.
Who are you kidding? You have no balls.
Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 08:19 AM (cUmUy)
Posted by: Sei Toldjah at June 28, 2012 08:20 AM (QbjWk)
Short-sighted idgits.
Posted by: Flounder at June 28, 2012 08:20 AM (Kkt/i)
146....I seem to remember people going to JAIL for TAX EVASION.
Yeah.
The Supremes just turned the Individual Mandate into a Jail Term.
Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 08:20 AM (0T8H7)
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 08:20 AM (oZfic)
Hey... I like that. And since the government can now apparently do anything it wants for any reason it wants under the Commerce Clause (or was it the good and proper clause... I forget, I'll have to ask Conyers) maybe Mitt can just make those waivers mandatory.
Posted by: Killface at June 28, 2012 08:20 AM (BDd0G)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 28, 2012 12:15 PM (HLFzM)
And some are RELIGIOUS groups are exempt... which does then favor one religion over others.... which is a HUGE problem if this is a Tax.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2012 08:21 AM (lZBBB)
No. You want to mourn? Fine. You want to be angry? Fine - do you see me taking issue with that?
What I will slice like a fucking hammer about is the goddamned concern trolling. The prickfaces who come here (after curiously disappearing from AoSHQ for weeks/months) to say "oh Romney won't repeal this, he's just as a bad as Obama, might as well stay home in November, give up all hope." The only reason to do that is to demoralize OTHER people.
If you can't distinguish between the two types of reactions, then more's the pity for you. But I still invite those people (not you, but those people) to kindly go fuck themselves.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 08:21 AM (FCfv5)
Posted by: JDTAY at June 28, 2012 08:21 AM (a0nis)
Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 08:21 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at June 28, 2012 12:13 PM (b2Hlt)
Yup basically, there is another court case Bailey Vs. Drexal Furniture that says the US Gov can't use the tax code to penalize you. It's very clear on that. Roberts just changed a Court precident in a big way.
Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 08:21 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Sherlock at June 28, 2012 08:21 AM (oUkKy)
Posted by: Preznit Training Pants at June 28, 2012 08:22 AM (jucos)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 08:22 AM (i330i)
Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 08:22 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 08:22 AM (tvOF2)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 08:22 AM (aI2re)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-TeamDagny at June 28, 2012 08:22 AM (SB0V2)
****
So is Lindsay Graham
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 08:22 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at June 28, 2012 08:23 AM (Rwrs+)
You cannot be seriously questioning whether Obama can find a way to blame Bush for something.
Posted by: Killface at June 28, 2012 08:23 AM (BDd0G)
Posted by: Barakhenaten I at June 28, 2012 08:23 AM (cUmUy)
So in the Kelo decision the Supremes held that the government can take your home and give it to some other private individual for any reason at all, or even no reason, that other individual just wants it (the Kelo properties remain undeveloped after all).
Now the Supremes have held that the government can force private individuals into the market place to purchase a product whether the individual wants it or not. And as was pointed out above, by saying this purchase price is a tax, well, if you don't pay your taxes, men with guns show up at your house and take you to jail.
Ben Franklin was right.
Posted by: Boots at June 28, 2012 08:24 AM (neKzn)
Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 08:24 AM (x8us2)
Posted by: Voluble at June 28, 2012 08:24 AM (eOimU)
Posted by: Ian S. at June 28, 2012 08:24 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 12:22 PM (iYbLN)
He's raking it in right now. $100k in less than an hour after the decision came down. I'm seeing comments about donations all over the place.
Posted by: tdpwells at June 28, 2012 08:24 AM (7vA7k)
We need to contribute to them as well. #RepublicanMoneyBomb
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 08:24 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 12:11 PM (FCfv5)
***
Cut, Jib, Letter!!
Posted by: B. Frank at June 28, 2012 08:25 AM (eavT+)
Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 12:13 PM (tw6Ar)
It doesn't surprise me, but I'm sick of the "we all need to donate to Romney" crap that is getting spammed here. It's like Romney loves this decision because it means more money for him. Fuck Romney and fuck the GOP and their commie supreme court judges.
Posted by: schizoid at June 28, 2012 08:25 AM (RAWKi)
That's like saying asphyxiation by a fat woman passed out on your chest while riding you is better than asphyxiation when you passed out while fapping and didn't get the plastic bag off your head in time.
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 08:25 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 28, 2012 08:25 AM (oihrP)
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 12:24 PM (Ks0w4)
Can you waive a federal tax for one class of people?
Posted by: tdpwells at June 28, 2012 08:25 AM (7vA7k)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 28, 2012 08:25 AM (HLFzM)
Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 08:25 AM (HTAoH)
Posted by: B. Frank at June 28, 2012 12:25 PM (eavT+)
Did Ace ever apologize for calling you a slut?
Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 08:25 AM (cUmUy)
Posted by: Billy Bob at June 28, 2012 08:26 AM (CKNcG)
What I will slice like a fucking hammer about is the goddamned concern trolling. The prickfaces who come here (after curiously disappearing from AoSHQ for weeks/months) to say "oh Romney won't repeal this, he's just as a bad as Obama, might as well stay home in November, give up all hope." The only reason to do that is to demoralize OTHER people.
If you can't distinguish between the two types of reactions, then more's the pity for you. But I still invite those people (not you, but those people) to kindly go fuck themselves.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 12:21 PM (FCfv5)
You know what's demoralizing? Telling us for months we couldn't win the election unless we nominated Romney.
You know what's demoralizing? Telling us we can't be happy when a poll shows Romney doing well because its an outlier or it is from a Repubican pollster.
You've invested your soul into this guy, and now the rest of us have to as well because we have no other choice. That wasn't supposed to be the point of this election.
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:26 AM (i3OIF)
Posted by: small town girl at June 28, 2012 08:26 AM (NN2ty)
IM understanding, one of the dominant and inescapable "gravities" that caused the "authoritarian redistributionism" model to collapse so quickly and painfully in large regional and ethnically/culturally diverse nations like China/Russia is basic human "factionism" where the collective ignore abuse/misues of the system thinking they are stealing not from themselves/each other but from hated "others" in a far off land.
Where as in a smaller Homogenous place like Sweden, cultural pressure to not abuse the social safety as its seen from stealing from everyone personally, this enables some level of counter restraint.
(Since I copy pasted this facebook, formatting might be terrible.)
Posted by: Shiggz RocketSurgeon at June 28, 2012 08:27 AM (RfvTE)
Posted by: JDTAY at June 28, 2012 08:27 AM (a0nis)
Posted by: Billy Bob at June 28, 2012 12:26 PM (CKNcG)
300k to tell us that this isn't the hill to die on
Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 08:27 AM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 08:27 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: SFGoth at June 28, 2012 08:27 AM (dZ756)
Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 12:16 PM (+usC4)
You sure you want to come back? Between this and the non-enforcement of immigration laws which will eventually create open borders, do you really think there will be much of a difference between us & Mexico after a while? Unless you hate the heat, might as well stay there.
Posted by: yinzer at June 28, 2012 08:27 AM (/Mla1)
Posted by: Ian S. at June 28, 2012 08:28 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: The Eric Holder AFT building at June 28, 2012 08:28 AM (e8kgV)
216Mitt raised 300,000 in first hour after ruling
Posted by: Billy Bob at June 28, 2012 12:26 PM (CKNcG)
300k to tell us that this isn't the hill to die on
Did he say that? Please tell me he didn't
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 08:28 AM (Ks0w4)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-TeamDagny at June 28, 2012 08:28 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 08:28 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 28, 2012 08:28 AM (YrE2y)
Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 08:28 AM (LL42r)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 08:28 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Chris R, red in NY-9 at June 28, 2012 08:28 AM (v362Z)
Posted by: eat chocolate at June 28, 2012 08:29 AM (HOOye)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 28, 2012 08:29 AM (KugEV)
Posted by: Aaron at June 28, 2012 08:29 AM (Tlix5)
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 12:28 PM (Ks0w4)
no but nothing is ever the hill to die on
Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 08:29 AM (tw6Ar)
EOJ, well i'll let it slide this once. (you're desheveled opinion).
anyway please make me laugh. i'm despondent over on this screen.
Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 08:30 AM (TomZ9)
Said the guy who started posting 9 days ago...
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 28, 2012 08:30 AM (famk3)
Posted by: Avi at June 28, 2012 08:30 AM (Gx3Fe)
Posted by: SoCalMe at June 28, 2012 12:23 PM (s72/N)
Barry: Allah Akbar, you infidels!
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2012 08:30 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 28, 2012 12:25 PM (HLFzM)
So how does one become an "official" muslim? Do I have to grow a beard? Kill (or pledge to kill) a certain # of infidels? Or can I just go out to the sidewalk and declare in a firm voice that I'm now muslim? How does the government verify this?
Posted by: yinzer at June 28, 2012 08:30 AM (/Mla1)
Posted by: Avi at June 28, 2012 08:31 AM (Gx3Fe)
Posted by: Jeff B.
Bravo Jeff B!
I'm angry and People won't be happy when I'm angry.
Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 08:31 AM (iYbLN)
When have I ever said that? EVER? You are confusing me with someone else.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 08:31 AM (FCfv5)
That's like saying asphyxiation by a fat woman passed out on your chest while riding you is better than asphyxiation when you passed out while fapping and didn't get the plastic bag off your head in time.
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 12:25 PM (/kI1Q)
Thanks for the laugh, thank God I was drinking water and not something sweet, a sticky keyboard is a pain to clean up....
somehow I'm thinking that it would have been more difficult legally to fight an Executive Order in court than it would be to change the approach and re fight this in court, the Supremes probably in the opinions gave a sort of road map to those who can recognize it.
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 08:31 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-TeamDagny at June 28, 2012 12:28 PM (SB0V2)
Normally I would feel that just filing lawsuit after lawsuit would be a leftist tactic that we should be above. But I don't feel like we should be above anything anymore. Gloves. Off.
Posted by: Killface at June 28, 2012 08:32 AM (BDd0G)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 28, 2012 08:32 AM (nEUpB)
Said the guy who started posting 9 days ago...
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 28, 2012 12:30 PM (famk3)
Says the guy who probably has had 20+ sock account of this site since it started...
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:32 AM (i3OIF)
Let me guess, the "mature" way to express my outrage is to give money to the same GOP fucktards who gave us Judge Roberts.
Posted by: schizoid at June 28, 2012 08:32 AM (RAWKi)
Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 08:32 AM (4Tl/g)
Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 08:32 AM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: Spike at June 28, 2012 08:32 AM (OHvic)
Posted by: SoCalMe at June 28, 2012 08:33 AM (s72/N)
Posted by: ejo at June 28, 2012 08:33 AM (HzC9j)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-TeamDagny at June 28, 2012 08:33 AM (SB0V2)
Obama will step into high gear now with the implementation. Repeal is a nice, sonorous cheer. But this thing is going to need to be ripped out by the nads.
I doubt that trio will get it done in any meaningful way. They all have soft white hands and wouldn't know an axe if they fell over it.
Expect a lot of political blathering intended simply to increase there own power. Then once they have it, we will need to kick them in the nuts to get anything done.
People are pissed enough now to get rid of all these Democrats. But that will just be the beginning.
Posted by: Exile at June 28, 2012 08:33 AM (bR7nX)
I predict there will be a veritable shitstorm of bad things to come--if they cannot be enacted by legislation, then it will happen by Executive Order.
And not a sorry thing will be done to stop it.
Posted by: irongrampa at June 28, 2012 08:33 AM (SAMxH)
Posted by: SFGoth at June 28, 2012 12:27 PM (dZ756)
THIS. The IRS discovers cheats every year that they choose not to go after simply because it's not worth their time or money. I think it's like 90% of their funds and time are spent on the top 10% of earners. See how long a guy who makes 200k a year cheats and gets away with it. I've seen dudes who make only around 40k not pay their taxes for years and never get a phone call.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at June 28, 2012 08:34 AM (ZhEoC)
1. if it does not produce a change in outlays or revenues;
2. if it produces an outlay increase or revenue decrease when the instructed committee is not in compliance with its instructions;
Note: elimination of this "tax" would do that.
3. if it is outside the jurisdiction of the committee that submitted the title or provision for inclusion in the reconciliation measure;
4. if it produces a change in outlays or revenues which is merely incidental to the non-budgetary components of the provision;
5. if it would increase the deficit for a fiscal year beyond those covered by the reconciliation measure; and
Repeal of this tax would do that.
6. if it recommends changes in Social Security.
So legally reconciliation could not be used for this. You can increase a tax, but not decrease it.
The only way Republicans will repeal this with 51 votes is to use the nuclear option. The Dems have used that option during this Congressional session. Republicans never will.
Our only option now is an Article V convention.
Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 08:34 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: yinzer at June 28, 2012 12:30 PM (/Mla1)
I think it has something to do with suicide bombings, goat fucking and under age girls.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2012 08:34 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Ian S. at June 28, 2012 08:34 AM (tqwMN)
I guess CJ Roberts is squared away with Obama now after having botched the inaugural oath.
Posted by: Nash Rambler at June 28, 2012 08:34 AM (vXucy)
Did Roberts Change Very Recently?
http://www.volokh.com/2012/06/28/ was-scalias-dissent-originally-a-majority-opinion/
(take out the space I put in next to the date)
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 08:34 AM (B/yDO)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 28, 2012 08:34 AM (9TTOe)
So if somebody doesn't have a job, and has no money coming in, how do they purchase health insurance?
How does somebody without a job pay the tax for not having purchased health insurance?
At least the income tax is based upon your income. If you have no income how can you pay the mandate tax?
Posted by: Boots at June 28, 2012 08:34 AM (neKzn)
Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2012 08:34 AM (O/fK8)
Posted by: Courtesy Flush at June 28, 2012 08:35 AM (sw9Gv)
but they do meet the requirements in the law for religious exemption
Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 12:28 PM (LL42r)
=========================
but catholic hospitals/charities do not? is that because the catholic orgs don't require that all employs be of the catholic faith?
Posted by: eurw at June 28, 2012 08:35 AM (/r7xc)
Yeah, I'm going to give my money to some rich asshole from the ruling class. That'll fix things.
Posted by: Entropy at June 28, 2012 08:35 AM (TULs6)
but they do meet the requirements in the law for religious exemption
As opposed to Catholics and Mormons.
Posted by: small town girl at June 28, 2012 08:35 AM (LU5cO)
Posted by: Ian S. at June 28, 2012 08:35 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 28, 2012 08:35 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: JDTAY at June 28, 2012 08:36 AM (a0nis)
Ok, chief, why the cypher of 'joe'? Something happen you want to tell us about?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 28, 2012 08:36 AM (famk3)
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 12:31 PM (FCfv5)
Perhaps. The issue is you've continually dictated to folks what is the "reasonable" response. People have the right to be mad and pissed off right now. This decision was cute or clever, it was the abdication of SCOTUS to do its original job: prevent the feds from doing whatever they want at expense of the Constitution.
These "let's vote for Obama because Romney sucks" folks may be loons, but they do have every right for Romney to get as ticked as they are right now because this decision is UNJUST.
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:36 AM (i3OIF)
Me neither.
Posted by: Killface at June 28, 2012 08:36 AM (BDd0G)
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 28, 2012 08:36 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 08:36 AM (iuHbc)
They are the floor of the House now speaking.
Gowdy really ripped it up.
Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 08:36 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-TeamDagny at June 28, 2012 08:36 AM (SB0V2)
Wait a minute, just read this:
"What I will slice like a fucking hammer about..."
Okay, you're still a douche. Thanks for banging the shape of my world back into line.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 28, 2012 08:36 AM (oihrP)
Wait a minute, just read this:
"What I will slice like a fucking hammer about..."
Okay, you're still a douche. Thanks for banging the shape of my world back into line.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 28, 2012 08:36 AM (oihrP)
Being a woman is no longer a pre-existing condition.
Thank you to Patrick Kennedy for all his work to prove that health care is not a privilege but a right.
What the fuck country am I in again?
Stop the world, I want to get off.
Posted by: © Sponge at June 28, 2012 08:36 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Exile at June 28, 2012 08:37 AM (bR7nX)
Posted by: BurtTC at June 28, 2012 08:37 AM (TOk1P)
*****
Spread that around to a few Senate candidates too!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 08:37 AM (piMMO)
I think I know all those words but they make no sense when they are arranged like that. Racist!
Posted by: THE MFM at June 28, 2012 08:37 AM (HNn1q)
Posted by: Gran at June 28, 2012 08:37 AM (p8FXV)
"I really loathe former president Bush. He literally gave us Obama, a supermajority democrat congress and senate. An[d] now he gives us John f**king Roberts."
Somehow I didn't see Bush standing behind every fool who voted for Obama saying, "Yeah, pull that lever." I didn't see him at the RNC telling them "Yeah, McCain's our best choice."
I don't see Bush as the reason the media didn't properly report on Obama before he was elected. They wanted him, and a majority of the people voted for him.
"Blame Bush" won't win this fall either. Nor will "We're Screwed Regardless"
We need to get out and vote. It's the only thing politicians understand and, even if grudgingly, respond to.
Roberts was at least right that it's not the Sup. Ct's job to save voters from the people they elected. I sure wish he would have ruled the other way, but he's right.
Posted by: MWTexas at June 28, 2012 08:37 AM (N05oL)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 08:37 AM (d6QMz)
Fox, and my future ex-wife Jenna Lee, covered this about 45 mins ago.
The tax is levied based on a flat rate OR a percentage of your income (whatever is greater).
IE, in 2014, you would pay either $95 or 1% of your income. So if you made $15k that year, you'd pay $150 in taxes.
If you made less than $9500 a year, you'd pay $95.
And starting in 2015, the taxes go way up
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 08:37 AM (B/yDO)
Posted by: Redd at June 28, 2012 08:38 AM (MlggS)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 28, 2012 08:38 AM (C8mVl)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at June 28, 2012 12:11 PM (ZhEoC)
Hey! trying to put me out of a job!
Posted by: Auto-Signer at June 28, 2012 12:16 PM (136wp)
Tell me about it, bro!
Posted by: TOTUS at June 28, 2012 08:38 AM (nrW1y)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 28, 2012 12:36 PM (famk3)
So your admitting your not willing to share you real name either because its the internet...like everyone else on this website...and you think your response is courageous...
Why is anyone who disagrees with Jeff B and obvious Obamabot...
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:38 AM (i3OIF)
Fuck you, pay me.
Posted by: Barack O'Pesci at June 28, 2012 08:38 AM (z9HTb)
Are you retarded?
No, seriously- are you mentally handicapped? Or are you simply one of the imbeciles who reflexively blame the GOP for everything you disagree with, even if they had zero fucking ability to do anything about it?
Nevermind, I'll just go with "retarded".
Know who gave us Roberts? GW Bush. Newsflash: He's not running. Nobody is suggesting you give him money, he's not poor.
Know who didn't have a damned thing to do with Roberts being nominated? Mitt Romney or any of the GOP candidates trying to unseat Dems in Congress.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 28, 2012 08:39 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 08:39 AM (i330i)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 08:40 AM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 08:40 AM (qjHIb)
Posted by: PowerLifter at June 28, 2012 08:40 AM (MnTwj)
Posted by: maddogg at June 28, 2012 08:40 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 08:40 AM (9Q2PJ)
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at June 28, 2012 08:41 AM (Rwrs+)
Didn't ask for your real name, sport.
What name were you using 'for months'? Did something happen?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 28, 2012 08:41 AM (famk3)
This is the second time within a month that I have found myself agreeing with Jeff B. Please, someone shoot me.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 28, 2012 08:41 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 28, 2012 08:41 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at June 28, 2012 08:41 AM (xAtAj)
Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 08:41 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Ken Royall at June 28, 2012 08:41 AM (9zzk+)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 11:58 AM (OL4L4)
Never, ever, ever, EVER trust a "conservative" Democrat to do the right thing. They'll walk and talk conservative to placate the folks at home, and they'll be there with you on the small stuff. But when it comes to big, meaningful things, like obtaining or (ultimately in Opathwaytosinglepayercare's case) maintaining a Democratic party holy grail, they will vote no differently than your average Barney Frank or Brbara Boxer.
Evan Bayh, Bill Nelson and any other of the nominally "conservative" Democrats could have voted against cloture and left Ocrapcare hung up and dead in the Senate. None of them did. They are first and foremost Democrats, and their default position is to grow government whenever and wherever they can.
Posted by: djm1992 at June 28, 2012 08:41 AM (1o4B5)
Obamacare killed job creation
Obamacare hiked your taxes
Obamacare is the reason your job dropped its insurance plan
Posted by: Mjölnir the banhammer at June 28, 2012 08:41 AM (Jls4P)
Posted by: teej at June 28, 2012 08:42 AM (0SHei)
So. Obama was just given a fortune in political currency, again.
Now watch him blow it all in a week. If only there was a way of describing such a spendthrift and his nature...
Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 08:42 AM (cUmUy)
Federal subsidies.
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 08:42 AM (/kI1Q)
233
no but nothing is ever the hill to die on
I've been doing some family history research, and my children's 6th great-grandfather Ezra Lunt was the first to stand up in his Massachusetts church in 1775 when the call to arms was requested:
"On the Sunday after the battle of Lexington Dr. Jonathan Parsons made an appeal in the name of liberty. After this Captain Ezra Lunt stepped into the aisle and formed a company of sixty men, which is said to have been the first company of volunteers to join the Continental Army."
He organized and led his troops at Bunker Hill in Charlestown.
http://tinyurl.com/89uk8b8 (Scroll to page 75)
Although he didn't die then, he literally did choose a hill to defend his liberty.
Dramatic? Perhaps. But people like that, who take action, are inspiring and quintessentially American.
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 08:42 AM (Ks0w4)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 08:43 AM (i330i)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 28, 2012 08:43 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 12:39 PM (i330i)
I don't want to ruin your plans buddy, but right now Scotland's political economy landscape makes us look like a right wing free market haven, EVEN after today.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at June 28, 2012 08:43 AM (ZhEoC)
Not much of a silver lining, but there it is.
Posted by: ontherocks at June 28, 2012 08:43 AM (aZ6ew)
So if somebody doesn't have a job, and has no money coming in, how do they purchase health insurance?
How does somebody without a job pay the tax for not having purchased health insurance?
At least the income tax is based upon your income. If you have no income how can you pay the mandate tax?
That's me. I wonder how jail food is?
On the bright side, I'll be a political prisoner.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 08:43 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Kinley Ardal, Cloaking device enabled at June 28, 2012 08:43 AM (ZGD9B)
Posted by: Lizabth at June 28, 2012 08:43 AM (JZBti)
Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 08:43 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Son of Liberty at June 28, 2012 08:43 AM (9FGU+)
In other news, the telescreen gets installed next week. I love Big Brother.
Posted by: Jones in CO at June 28, 2012 08:43 AM (8sCoq)
I know the Amish take care of each other, but I'm pretty sure they won't be providing no-copay abortions.
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 08:43 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at June 28, 2012 12:41 PM (Rwrs+)
Nonsense. It's just Greece. Or Europe. Or shut up.
Posted by: MSNBC at June 28, 2012 08:44 AM (RD7QR)
What name were you using 'for months'? Did something happen?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 28, 2012 12:41 PM (famk3)
You know as well as I do the site allows you to change your username. A disagreement does not mean someone is a sock.
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:44 AM (i3OIF)
Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 08:44 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Spike at June 28, 2012 08:44 AM (OHvic)
Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2012 08:44 AM (Rtx1X)
You might want to choose a different experiment like Switzerland. If Scotland gets independence, it will likely be forced to adopt the Euro which will make it even more of an economic basketcase than it already is. It has a declining industrial base (think Michigan) and it reflexively votes Labour (sic) every election. Letting Scotland be independent would actually ensure than England votes Conservative in every election.
Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 08:44 AM (E0rp6)
Posted by: The Tree of Liberty at June 28, 2012 08:45 AM (mLZe7)
My sentiments exactly. Well said. And I agree too that Roberts may have done us all a favor, politically.
Posted by: eureka! at June 28, 2012 08:46 AM (xCpfo)
Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 08:46 AM (C/Pop)
i imagine many of those making a bit over minumum wage to try to stay off the welfare rolls will now just 'go for it'
hell why not?
Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 08:47 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Ruth B. Ginshag at June 28, 2012 08:47 AM (9FGU+)
Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 08:47 AM (79EF9)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 28, 2012 08:47 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 08:48 AM (i330i)
Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 08:48 AM (C/Pop)
Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 28, 2012 08:49 AM (Wr80H)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 08:49 AM (i330i)
Posted by: Lizabth at June 28, 2012 08:49 AM (JZBti)
You might want to choose a different experiment like Switzerland.
Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 12:44 PM
====================================
near a border, here...swiss cross over to their neighbors to do all their shopping because it's a heckuva lot cheaper than buying in switzerland. cost-wise on life's necessities, not so sure any european country is going to be better
Posted by: eurw at June 28, 2012 08:50 AM (/r7xc)
Posted by: Killface at June 28, 2012 08:52 AM (BDd0G)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 08:52 AM (i330i)
I find this amusing coming from the guy who backed Jon Huntsman for the GOP nomination.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 08:53 AM (FCfv5)
Posted by: teej at June 28, 2012 08:54 AM (fdnD9)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 28, 2012 08:54 AM (KugEV)
261 So how does one become an "official" muslim?
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Mohammed is my great^45 grandfather. I hope that counts for something. I assume my great^45 grandmother was a goat, but I'm failing to think of any added benefit.
Posted by: Nash Rambler at June 28, 2012 08:54 AM (vXucy)
Posted by: Nash Rambler at June 28, 2012 08:56 AM (vXucy)
Posted by: teej at June 28, 2012 08:56 AM (fdnD9)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 28, 2012 08:57 AM (9TTOe)
Today feels like Election Night 2008 all over. Just a complete all over smothering feeling of fucked-ness.
Posted by: Jones in CO at June 28, 2012 08:57 AM (8sCoq)
I don't want to pay for anyone's health care, except mine... if you don't have something to cover your dumb ass when you get sick, it's your fault, not mine. I'm fucking tired of the nanny state telling me what the fuck to do and how to live my life.
If you are upset about today's news... get off your ass in November and run Choomer and his buddies out of office by going to the polls. Get people that agree with you to do the same thing... don't sit there and "get all wee weed up" over this crap! Send the message loud and clear to Choomer... ONE AND DONE!
Posted by: Mjölnir the banhammer at June 28, 2012 08:58 AM (Jls4P)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 09:03 AM (i330i)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 09:05 AM (i330i)
Posted by: Jones in CO at June 28, 2012 12:57 PM (8sCoq)
Yeah, but then 2010 came.
I'm not as upset as I thought that I would be. I guess that whole Plan A business was more ingrained in my noggin than I thought. I'm going to enjoy watching Obama be stuck on the defensive for the next 5 months over his astronomical tax increase on the eve of a double-dip recession rather than being able to whinge and moan about how Republicans took away the health care that he so graciously gave us.
Posted by: tdpwells at June 28, 2012 09:08 AM (7vA7k)
367 If you are upset about today's news... get off your ass in November and run Choomer and his buddies out of office by going to the polls. Get people that agree with you to do the same thing... don't sit there and "get all wee weed up" over this crap! Send the message loud and clear to Choomer... ONE AND DONE!
Agreed. The SCOAMF, Stedman, and the rest of the jerks - GONE!
And Jeff B hopefully will grow up and tolerate a bit of criticism of Mitt. He's not God. We have to speak up when we think Mitt is falling off the conservative bandwagon, as he is wont to do when he listens too closely to some of his weasel advisors.
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 09:10 AM (Ks0w4)
Yes, and I voted for him, to my eternal shame.
"Know who didn't have a damned thing to do with Roberts being nominated? Mitt Romney or any of the GOP candidates trying to unseat Dems in Congress.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 28, 2012 12:39 PM (SY2Kh)"
Nope, nothing at all, they just happen to belong to the same party and be endorsed by all the same bigwigs. But they're totally different, swearsies!
Posted by: Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 09:12 AM (RAWKi)
Posted by: Uncle Jefe at June 28, 2012 09:13 AM (25KoS)
Posted by: Justamom at June 28, 2012 09:16 AM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Andrew at June 28, 2012 09:18 AM (HS3dy)
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You apparently have some of us around here confused with Democrats. "Mitt is our nominee, and that's the way it is" DOES NOT EQUAL "Romney is the greatest and I want to fellate him."
Posted by: mediumheadboy at June 28, 2012 09:40 AM (x2CNJ)
You cannot be seriously questioning whether Obama can find a way to blame Bush for something.
Hey, I don't get out much. I guess it's a metter of how long until this car is in the ditch and those damn Republicans are sucking on Slurpees again.
Posted by: sherlock at June 28, 2012 09:44 AM (s0hlt)
Time to change it. Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.
He has succeeded in destroying freedom. I would call myself a failure for doing that, but Ogabe-ObaMao-OStalin-Obastard would not. He has made us all serfs and is taking a victory lap.
Posted by: delayna at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (Vpydg)
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