June 15, 2012
— Ace Not a fan.
There is broad support for the idea that we should figure out a way to help kids who are undocumented through no fault of their own, but there is also broad consensus that it should be done in a way that does not encourage illegal immigration in the future. This is a difficult balance to strike, one that this new policy, imposed by executive order, will make harder to achieve in the long run.
TodayÂ’s announcement will be welcome news for many of these kids desperate for an answer, but it is a short term answer to a long term problem. And by once again ignoring the Constitution and going around Congress, this short term policy will make it harder to find a balanced and responsible long term one.
On Brett Baier, Stephen Hayes advanced these facts: Rubio's about to release a book next week and will be all over the media, and Rubio's been working with Congressmen on some sort of a measure to deal with the children of illegals. Further, Obama has actually instructed his party to not deal with Rubio on the matter.
His conclusion is that Obama did this for fear that Rubio could actually put together some kind of a deal, and he couldn't have that.
So he violated his oath to defend the Constitution. Same shit, different day.
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Posted by: Alex at June 15, 2012 03:13 PM (rRR+a)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 15, 2012 03:13 PM (J0tQ5)
And Nancy Pelosi's assurances that all will be well ain't gonna cut it this time.
Posted by: pep at June 15, 2012 03:14 PM (6TB1Z)
Too inexperienced and, at times, naive, to support for V.P. at this time.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 15, 2012 03:15 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Mr. Pink at June 15, 2012 03:16 PM (++kZl)
It's come to this. He is now inviting people to the WH based upon their sexual orientation.
When is doggie-style Friday?
http://huff.to/MPF2dC
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 15, 2012 03:16 PM (piMMO)
1) Obama needs to dangle amnesty in order to get Hispanic turnout. He doesn't actually want it before the election.
2) It's possible that there are a number of Dems threatening to jump on whatever reform the Republicans push through in order to protect themselves. Especially Dems representing blue collar voters that Obama seems to have abandoned.
Posted by: Alex at June 15, 2012 03:16 PM (rRR+a)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 03:17 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Stormy is NOT the Stormy from LGF at June 15, 2012 03:17 PM (Lo7Ka)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 03:18 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at June 15, 2012 03:18 PM (tKFT6)
Seven. Election's in November, Inauguration's in January.
Those last two months are going to be the worst, I think.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 15, 2012 03:18 PM (bjRNS)
Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at June 15, 2012 03:18 PM (ZHge+)
(I keeeed, I keeeed)
Fuck them too
I would really really really rather not.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 15, 2012 03:19 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2012 03:19 PM (2pG7H)
Obama's actions re immigration are going to gain him fewer votes than his runaround Congress will cause him to lose. His actions today only stiffened the opposition to him.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 15, 2012 03:19 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: The littl shyning man at June 15, 2012 03:20 PM (PH+2B)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 03:21 PM (sEXZ/)
Posted by: teej at June 15, 2012 03:21 PM (ZhNCB)
Posted by: steevy at June 15, 2012 03:22 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: Stormy Weather at June 15, 2012 03:22 PM (Lo7Ka)
Posted by: steevy at June 15, 2012 03:22 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 03:22 PM (sEXZ/)
And though trampling on the Constitution impeachment remains off the table because the American people will not make Senators pay with their job for failing to support impeachment. It comes down to the fact that there are too few Americans left who would hold a left of center politician accountable to the rule of law, so left of center pols no longer have to respect the law.
For those on the far left, whatever ends are necessary including flagrantly disregarding the Constitution, is okay, as a matter of fact encouraged.
For those in the middle, they don't support anything that looks too "extreme". So they will sit by as the country is destroyed by a tyrant completely disregarding the limits placed on him by the law of the land. Because they just want to believe that things are always going to be OK so long as no one upsets the apple cart; And bold action is NEVER necessary to solve a problem, just calm slow caving to whatever the left wants.
That leaves only us on the right. Far from what is needed to compel action in a legislature sympathetic to the President.
The problem again is the will of the American people being so close to lost that we are ripe for rule by a tyrant.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 15, 2012 03:22 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 03:22 PM (MMC8r)
****
It is sure to be one of the most corrupt, dangerous, anxiety-inducing times in our history.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 15, 2012 03:22 PM (piMMO)
Except those who don't speak English, join gangs and fly the Mexican flag...
Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at June 15, 2012 03:23 PM (ZHge+)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 15, 2012 03:24 PM (CP+yl)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 15, 2012 03:24 PM (rcFix)
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Have you been paying attention? This man is not "constrained by Congress:, whether it be Democrat or Republican.
Posted by: mama winger at June 15, 2012 03:26 PM (P6QsQ)
Dude, that constitution stuff was, like, three and a half years ago man. Christ, you expect ANYONE to remember shit from then?
Posted by: Rev Dr E Piss Matthews at June 15, 2012 03:27 PM (ApGOC)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 15, 2012 03:27 PM (CP+yl)
Posted by: steevy at June 15, 2012 03:28 PM (Xb3hu)
I got that, but I think there's something else here. Obama is pandering, sure, but he's also realized that he will lose unless he makes Romney make mistakes. That's what this is about.
Romney had the right response. The condemned the action as illegal and he will not let IT stand. Obama wants to make it about individuals so he can pull at the heartstrings of the LI voters. It won't work. Romney won't let Obama call the tune for him.
Posted by: pep at June 15, 2012 03:28 PM (6TB1Z)
That's stupid. Money is physical property that belongs to someone else. Amnesty doesn't take citizenship away from someone else, and no one is entitled to a job.
When you are a parent, and you do something illegal, it not only affects you, it affects your children as well.
So you support stripping people of their drivers license because mom or dad got a DUI? Throwing an 18 year old in jail because his mom was caught selling cocaine? Making some girl register as a sex offender because dad diddled the neighbors kid?
Posted by: Alex at June 15, 2012 03:29 PM (rRR+a)
I think somebody's missing that Obama will only be constrained by impeachment.
Which means your alternative is Joe Biden, and all the other appointees still have their jobs.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 15, 2012 03:29 PM (bjRNS)
Remember when the proggs used to bitch about extraordinary rendition?
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 15, 2012 03:29 PM (hO8IJ)
They don't dare do anything but shut it down which means their little constitutional end run is off the table also.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 15, 2012 03:30 PM (CP+yl)
Dear Friends,
The
Obama Administration announced today it will stop deporting illegal
immigrants who are currently under the age of 30 and came to the United
States as children, and will instead grant them work permits. The
decision by President Obama to circumvent Congress and the legislative
process to implement amnesty by administrative fiat is appalling. Rather
than work with Congress to pass common-sense border security
enhancement and immigration reform, the President has reverted to
political pandering to pacify his base. This decision is short-sighted,
reckless, and unnecessarily confrontational. Furthermore, this decision
will likely have significant repercussions for Americans and legal
immigrants looking for work, as this order makes approximately 800,000
illegal immigrants eligible to apply for work authorization.
Defending our nationÂ’s homeland is of the upmost importance and
it ought not to be tainted by administrative decrees that make a mockery
of the rule of law. I will work with my House colleagues to fully
investigate the PresidentÂ’s decision and get answers regarding the
national security implications as well as the massive fraud this action
will invite into our immigration system.
Sincerely,
Congressman Kenny Marchant
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 15, 2012 03:30 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 03:30 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: steevy at June 15, 2012 03:30 PM (Xb3hu)
What was it exactly....that Rick Perry said, that got people's panties in a bunch?
"If you don't want to help these children of illegals, then...you don't have a heart."
Was that it?
It was something like that.
And it was a loser....politically, for him to say such a thing.
And it was over the policy of just giving children of illegals, the ability to pay the in-state price for tuition.
So, how is it a winning thing now, for Rubio to be bringing up an even more elaborate plan....to 'help the children of illegals'...?
From what Rubio has been saying about this....he wants to give them a long list of things, not just paying the in-state price for tuition.
*shakes head*
I don't get it.
Posted by: wheatie at June 15, 2012 03:30 PM (M2JTb)
Posted by: jakeman at June 15, 2012 03:30 PM (96M6e)
Bad analogy; these people never had what you think they are being "stripped" of in the first place.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 15, 2012 03:31 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 03:31 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 03:32 PM (sEXZ/)
Posted by: Preznit Benicio Hector Otivio Ortega at June 15, 2012 03:32 PM (mxnUd)
Posted by: Jean at June 15, 2012 03:32 PM (ICwOo)
Posted by: Stormy Weather at June 15, 2012 03:32 PM (Lo7Ka)
****
Romney is clearly smarter and more savvy than many of us non-millionaires.
His campaign has been doing a fantastic job and I wouldn't be surprised to learn someday that Obama had been tricked.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 15, 2012 03:32 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 15, 2012 03:32 PM (rcFix)
This ought to play well in black neighborhoods. And union households.
Posted by: mama winger at June 15, 2012 03:33 PM (P6QsQ)
I notice the Romney haters(who had largely shut up)are now back because Romney didn't launch a tirade over this executive order.
Posted by: steevy at June 15, 2012 07:30 PM (Xb3hu)
It's like a friggin' dogwhistle.
Posted by: ErikW at June 15, 2012 03:33 PM (kMZNm)
Posted by: teej at June 15, 2012 03:34 PM (pyh5u)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 03:34 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 15, 2012 03:34 PM (jucos)
Meh, they keep getting their free stuff, the worst they'll do is just vote for Obama once.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at June 15, 2012 03:34 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 15, 2012 03:34 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: wooga at June 15, 2012 03:36 PM (vjyZP)
Posted by: Mr_Write at June 15, 2012 03:36 PM (VJUQK)
Posted by: wheatie at June 15, 2012 03:36 PM (M2JTb)
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 15, 2012 03:36 PM (bjRNS)
Yeah so what. He's still got issues, but hey give him a chance, right until he goes soft. Guess what, so far he has been soft on this one.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 15, 2012 03:36 PM (0q2P7)
If he is unable to commit to reversing this policy, which is wrong on at least 3 different levels, including Constitutionally, then why should I vote for him?
Romney cannot walk this tightrope and get my vote. He either comes out and announces he will absolutely reverse this policy, or he will not get my vote.
This story broke less than 10 hours ago. Change your tampon.
Posted by: fluffy at June 15, 2012 03:37 PM (4pSIn)
THIS. I'll give Obama this he always seems to be a step ahead of the dialogue. Maybe it's just his erratic behavior, but we can never really guess what he's gonna get behind next. He never talks about the economy, and people let him get away with it.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at June 15, 2012 03:37 PM (tKFT6)
Posted by: wheatie at June 15, 2012 03:37 PM (M2JTb)
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What do you mean by "doesn't really CARE about working Americans?" Do you want an emotion, or do you want a workable plan centered on free enterprise?
He's out of touch because he's rich. Where have I heard that before? Is a successful business career something that disqualifies one from knowing how to get business growing again? I would think the opposite.
Posted by: mama winger at June 15, 2012 03:37 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: ontherocks at June 15, 2012 03:38 PM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 15, 2012 03:38 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 03:38 PM (sEXZ/)
Yes actually it does. Those patiently following the rules trying to get into this country legally. It hurts them.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 15, 2012 03:39 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 15, 2012 03:40 PM (bxiXv)
Cliff's notes on Obama's presidency, right there.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 15, 2012 03:40 PM (Qxdfp)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at June 15, 2012 03:41 PM (QxSug)
You're acting as if those children are people without a country. I sincerely doubt that's the case. Those kids are citizens of somewhere, it's just not America.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 15, 2012 03:41 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Joe Biden at June 15, 2012 03:41 PM (QKKT0)
That's because the Chinese don't molest passengers as thoroughly as the TSA does here.
Posted by: Mr_Write at June 15, 2012 03:42 PM (VJUQK)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at June 15, 2012 03:42 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 03:43 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Dumpster-diving Ewok at June 15, 2012 03:44 PM (j0WSV)
Posted by: mama winger at June 15, 2012 03:44 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Stormy Weather at June 15, 2012 03:44 PM (Lo7Ka)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 15, 2012 03:44 PM (niZvt)
a lot of Republicans are hemming and hawing instead of DOING SOMETHING about the rampant lawlessness of this administration
Winning the election is the biggest something they can do. THEN is when the hills to die on appear. Only a few more months. Keep your cool.
Posted by: pep at June 15, 2012 03:44 PM (6TB1Z)
Let me know and I'll forward the email to you.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 15, 2012 03:44 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: steevy at June 15, 2012 03:45 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: teej at June 15, 2012 03:46 PM (Vdd8W)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 15, 2012 03:46 PM (bxiXv)
Exactly. And obviously the correct strategy here is to ensure that the original violator is put back in office, because that's so much better than having our guy there.
Posted by: pep at June 15, 2012 03:47 PM (6TB1Z)
...until Obamacare fully kicks in, then the imported doctors will just be mid-level federal employees, waiting for the student-loan forgiveness.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 15, 2012 03:47 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: Maurice Ravel at June 15, 2012 03:47 PM (IoNBC)
You know that you can never spot all the bugs until it's fully implemented. I'm sure the firmware 3.1 update will fix this.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 15, 2012 03:47 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 15, 2012 03:48 PM (bxiXv)
My second comment of the morning was exactly the Stephen Hayes point. The Democrats regard the Hispanic vote as theirs. This was a desperate maneuver to stay ahead of the GOP.
I'm not going to disparage Rubio on this. It's a real problem and it needs a real answer and there's a lot of voters who will not put up with a solution that sounds like it's going to have the kids marched out of some fourth-grade classroom in Fresno onto buses headed for the border.
Posted by: JEM at June 15, 2012 03:48 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: mama winger at June 15, 2012 07:44 PM (P6QsQ)
I don't care about buzzwords. I'm tired of the guys on our side deciding that Step 9 needs to be Step 1. And that is what Rubio did a few weeks back with his pimping of a DREAM Act. It should not even be on our radar because of everything else about illegal immigration that should be handled first. So fuck Rubio for this bullshit. And fuck Romney for backing it too.
And I'm still voting for him just because I know there is at least a chance we can tell them to sit down and shut up with their pandering to criminals and there's no chance of that happening with Obama. But don't expect me to act like I'm happy about the crap they're saying just because Obama is much much worse on it.
Posted by: buzzion at June 15, 2012 03:49 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at June 15, 2012 03:49 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 03:49 PM (sEXZ/)
RINO
Posted by: pep at June 15, 2012 03:50 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 03:50 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Cicero at June 15, 2012 03:50 PM (QKKT0)
like it's going to have the kids marched out of some fourth-grade
classroom in Fresno onto buses headed for the border
Apparently the Constitution IS a suicide pact.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 15, 2012 03:50 PM (hO8IJ)
*****
Don't look behind the Communist curtain!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 15, 2012 03:51 PM (piMMO)
So why is he on the short list again?
Why isn't Allen West?
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 15, 2012 07:45 PM (Qxdfp)
Because West is only a freshman politician, doesn't have much political experience, wouldn't know how to navigate Washington, blah fucking blah.
Posted by: ErikW at June 15, 2012 03:52 PM (kMZNm)
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I apologize for the shorthand. What I am getting at is that I want to wait for a full comment by Romney on this issue rather than jumping off a cliff because of a report of what he supposedly said while doing other things today, and being asked for a reaction on a speech that in all likelihood he did not hear.
Posted by: mama winger at June 15, 2012 03:53 PM (P6QsQ)
Remittances are Mexico's second largest source of foreign exchange.
http://is.gd/lZ0L8E
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 15, 2012 03:53 PM (hO8IJ)
RINO. Probably a comsymp too.
Posted by: pep at June 15, 2012 03:54 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 03:54 PM (sEXZ/)
If there's going to be immigration law changes - say, employer verification, taking money away from states and localities with 'sanctuary' ordinances or otherwise resist enforcement, etc - you're going to need some Democrats. And you're going to need to throw a few of 'em a bone. And you could do far worse than Rubio in figuring that out.
Posted by: JEM at June 15, 2012 03:55 PM (o+SC1)
http://is.gd/lZ0L8E
Gun imports from Eric Holder prop up the economy too.
Posted by: Cicero at June 15, 2012 03:55 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: mama winger at June 15, 2012 03:55 PM (P6QsQ)
he is a veritable sweet little appetizer for you to wash down that main entree called mittens..See Rubio in Gitmo getting his terrorist updates, see Rubio in the warehouse in the midwest getting his Blue Collar worker talking points, See Rubio in Wall Street getting his Master of Economics Credits, he is as qualified to be a VP of the USA as that miscreant called Biden.
Posted by: Clemenza at June 15, 2012 03:55 PM (h2N+W)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 07:54 PM (sEXZ/)
Convene the circular firing squad.
Posted by: Cicero at June 15, 2012 03:56 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 03:57 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: TruckerBobS at June 15, 2012 03:57 PM (+iZ9O)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 07:54 PM (sEXZ/)
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By all means. Vote for the original then.
Posted by: mama winger at June 15, 2012 03:58 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 03:58 PM (sEXZ/)
Posted by: Clemenza at June 15, 2012 03:59 PM (h2N+W)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 15, 2012 04:00 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 07:58 PM (sEXZ/)
Okay. I am committed. Except for that guy that does the hedges. He's awesome.
Posted by: Mittens at June 15, 2012 04:00 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 04:00 PM (sEXZ/)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at June 15, 2012 04:02 PM (KCvsd)
We have a "if you didn't vote, you can't bitch" ordinance around here, right?
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 15, 2012 04:02 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: The Jackhole at June 15, 2012 04:02 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: pooh at June 15, 2012 04:02 PM (oZfic)
Hear that, Mitt. Hop to it, boy.
Get over yourself.
Posted by: pep at June 15, 2012 04:03 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 07:58 PM (sEXZ/)
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Well then.
Posted by: mama winger at June 15, 2012 04:04 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: teej at June 15, 2012 04:05 PM (pyh5u)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 04:05 PM (sEXZ/)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 15, 2012 04:07 PM (bxiXv)
Hey, we don't allow mimes in here. You'll have to wait outside.
Posted by: The AoSHQ Bartender at June 15, 2012 04:07 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 15, 2012 04:07 PM (C8mVl)
Do the supremes have a friday night dump too?
Posted by: pooh at June 15, 2012 04:07 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: teej at June 15, 2012 04:08 PM (pyh5u)
Posted by: Tami at June 15, 2012 04:09 PM (X6akg)
In the bottom of a bottle of Glenlivet.
Posted by: Cicero at June 15, 2012 04:10 PM (QKKT0)
http://www.mittromney.com/Issues/immigration
Posted by: mama winger at June 15, 2012 04:10 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: The AoSHQ Bartender at June 15, 2012 08:07 PM
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There is an imaginary wall between us. See how I'm touching it? I can't hear you...if you said anything.
Fuck. Nevermind.
Posted by: Lurking Flaneur at June 15, 2012 04:10 PM (E108D)
"Junior senators with no record of achievement that write books are automatic presidential contenders."
Not even vice-presidential. Rubio is now making himself controversial and ineligible. If you want controversial you might as well pick Sarah, she has a bigger following. Scott Walker or Paul Ryan are the right picks for our time.
Posted by: Decaf at June 15, 2012 04:10 PM (1mxP9)
Posted by: teej at June 15, 2012 04:12 PM (pyh5u)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 04:13 PM (MMC8r)
Great going, guys.
Posted by: AD at June 15, 2012 04:13 PM (PYtKE)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 15, 2012 04:13 PM (bxiXv)
then shuts off....where would you look first for the problem?
Di you use cheap Chinese thingamajigs?
Posted by: Barky O'Dogeater at June 15, 2012 04:13 PM (QKKT0)
Nickless, the fans come on for a second also, then shut off too.
Posted by: Tami at June 15, 2012 04:14 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Fritz at June 15, 2012 04:14 PM (ZN5qR)
Hey man, Chinese computer ports are better than American ports.
Posted by: Joltin' Joe Biden at June 15, 2012 04:15 PM (j0WSV)
Posted by: Stormy Weather at June 15, 2012 04:16 PM (Lo7Ka)
Bull.Shit.
"At the same time that unskilled workers are able to come here illegally, we do not grant enough visas to high-skill job creators and innovators seeking to come here legally. The system requires us to send away the great majority of the over 300,000 foreign students who are earning advanced degrees at U.S. universities. And it is too difficult for businesses to secure visas for foreign workers to make up for labor shortages and gaps in skills."
Above lies brought to you by the visa brokers who capitalize on visa fraud who donated HUGE amounts to Romney.
When real unemployment drops back below 6 % , we start talking about more visas.
Welcome to McCain II
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 04:16 PM (zsgo8)
Posted by: pooh at June 15, 2012 04:16 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: soemguy at June 15, 2012 04:16 PM (sEXZ/)
Posted by: M Rubio at June 15, 2012 04:17 PM (a1oOO)
Does it get as far as putting anything text at all on the monitor?
Does it have an operating system installed?
Are you booting with a CD?
Posted by: Wilkins at June 15, 2012 04:17 PM (fVgpT)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 04:17 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 08:16 PM (zsgo
See, there's a few people here who voted for McCain in 2008 and would have liked for him to have beaten Obama.
Posted by: AD at June 15, 2012 04:17 PM (PYtKE)
nickless, no 115v/220v switch on power supply.
Posted by: Tami at June 15, 2012 04:18 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: starboardhelm at June 15, 2012 04:18 PM (hHgxI)
Posted by: GMB the chancellor of the univerisity of usless information. at June 15, 2012 04:18 PM (kPe9l)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 15, 2012 04:18 PM (bxiXv)
Does it get as far as putting anything text at all on the monitor?
Does it have an operating system installed?
Are you booting with a CD?
Posted by: Wilkins at June 15, 2012 08:17 PM (fVgpT)
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Nothing appears on the monitor. No OS installed yet. Doesn't even boot to get to install OS. Doesn't get to BIOS.
Posted by: Tami at June 15, 2012 04:20 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 15, 2012 04:20 PM (C8mVl)
Posted by: LIGuy at June 15, 2012 04:20 PM (+usC4)
So the first, tangible policy enactment on illegal immigration in decades will addres higher education. That makes total sense.
Posted by: CJ at June 15, 2012 04:20 PM (9G+G5)
So, OT, but it seems the consensus is that we're supposed to respect the office of the presidency. The reporter was WRONG to interrupt Obingo during his afternoon dictation to the steno pool.
I say its about time he get interrupted. It should happen every time he attempts to speak from now until he's evicted in Novenmber. He is worthy of the same respect which he has given to the constitution.
Posted by: Up, Up With People - except SCoaMF at June 15, 2012 04:22 PM (iYvMQ)
But McCain (R) wanted to do it for the children ... or something.
Who cares about obeying the law? We gotta get that (R) back in the big chair.
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 04:22 PM (zsgo8)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 15, 2012 04:23 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Stormy Weather at June 15, 2012 04:23 PM (Lo7Ka)
Posted by: soemguy at June 15, 2012 08:16 PM (sEXZ/)
1. And Obamacare, two liberal Supreme Court Justices, not supporting the Iranian opposition, and now today's announcement. Are you physically or just willfully blind?
2. I missed where keel-hauling the bankers and shutting down Wall Street was a tenet of the Republican Party or conservatism.
3. I missed where Obama doused the Occupy movement with teargas (or did anything to oppose them). Please point it out to me.
You're smoking crack.
Posted by: AD at June 15, 2012 04:23 PM (PYtKE)
Mitt Romney opposes all “magnets” that entice illegal immigrants to come to our country illegally and stay here. He will establish a tamper-proof employment verification system like E-Verify that will enable employers to hire only those legally permitted to work and deny jobs to those here illegally. This will turn off the jobs magnet that attracts so many unskilled workers to cross the border illegally or overstay their visas.
Mitt also opposes all other magnets. As governor, he vetoed in-state tuition benefits for illegal immigrants and opposed driverÂ’s licenses for illegal immigrants.
Mitt Romney believes in the rule of law and will fully enforce federal immigration law. As governor, he authorized state police to assist the federal government in immigration enforcement.
Posted by: mama winger at June 15, 2012 04:23 PM (P6QsQ)
Then, O'Reilly spent an inordinate time scolding the Daily Caller reporter for his interruption. (Dobbs was happy to see a reporter actually challenge Tah Won.)
It's obvious that Bilious hasn't a fuckin' clue as to what's important here. He seldom does.
Posted by: Jim Sonweed at June 15, 2012 04:24 PM (HzO4m)
Posted by: Tami at June 15, 2012 08:09 PM (X6akg)
If you put a bunch of high wattage components in, you might need a bigger power source.
Posted by: mugiwara at June 15, 2012 04:24 PM (KI/Ch)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 04:24 PM (sEXZ/)
There are a lot of LEGAL US CITIZENS who are Latino/Hispanic, who do NOT support the SCOAMPF's free ride idea!
Posted by: JustMe at June 15, 2012 04:24 PM (0hDIC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 15, 2012 04:25 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 04:26 PM (sEXZ/)
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It was? I scrolled up to the top where its first post was, and it was the same hash.
Posted by: mama winger at June 15, 2012 04:26 PM (P6QsQ)
It's been one of the Romney campaign's guiding rules from the start not to let itself get flustered, redirected or "distracted" by any of the many stunts Obama has pulled and will pull in the future. Like gay marriage, and this. That's falling for the Obama/ MSM trap. That's letting Obama define the MSM conversation, letting Obama sic the MSM on Romney, to interrogate Romney instead of Obama over something *Obama* has just done. Romney handled the gay marriage thing calmly and deftly, and it didn't get him offtrack his message or campaign discipline. I'd expect the same in this case too.
After all, Obama did this *now* to distract from the big fat fail of yesterday's supposedly "reframing" speech on the economy and jobs, which is what Romney wants the election to focus on and Obama does not.
"Just out of curiosity, are you THE someguy?"
I was going to ask the same thing-- someguy of "punching down" fame? That was an amusing/ annoying AOSHQ troll-baiting diversion.
Posted by: lael at June 15, 2012 04:27 PM (nNjlJ)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 08:26 PM (sEXZ/)
Are you the original "Don't punch down ace!!!!!!!!" someguy?
Posted by: robtr at June 15, 2012 04:28 PM (MtwBb)
Fascism isn't "right-wing", though.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 15, 2012 04:28 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: pooh at June 15, 2012 08:07 PM
Just guessing, but I'd say none of the Supremes have had a dump in the last decade.
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 15, 2012 04:28 PM (MQc8e)
Posted by: mugiwara at June 15, 2012 04:29 PM (KI/Ch)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 04:29 PM (sEXZ/)
Mitt Romney opposes all “magnets” that entice illegal immigrants to
come to our country illegally and stay here. He will establish a
tamper-proof employment verification system like E-Verify that will
enable employers to hire only those legally permitted to work and deny
jobs to those here illegally.
Bull.Shit. (again)
sorry , mama . no disrespect intended. I agree with you 99% of the time and enjoy your comments.
I have been up close and personal with immigration for a very long time. ( think Reagan era - who I voted for but who screwed up immigration royally )
The idea that Mitt has a solution to the problem that doesn't include amnesty for law breakers or visa fraud is a pipe dream and a whopper.
When a presidential candidate uses the phrase "visa fraud" and or "human trafficking", I will listen to his immigration pitch.
Not before.
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 04:30 PM (zsgo8)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 15, 2012 04:30 PM (bxiXv)
Just sayin'.
Might want to forget about his hapless time as a Democrat governor.
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 08:26 PM (sEXZ/)
I got a McDonalds fish sammich today from an illegal alien. There goes my chances for preeezy
Posted by: robtr at June 15, 2012 04:30 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 15, 2012 04:31 PM (C8mVl)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 04:31 PM (MMC8r)
OT: Computer people.....if you were building a
computer, ordered all the parts, put it all together, turned it on and
it powers up for a second then shuts off....where would you look first
for the problem?
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power supply
Posted by: Up, Up With People - except SCoaMF at June 15, 2012 04:32 PM (iYvMQ)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 04:33 PM (sEXZ/)
I can't say what I want to say, 'cause Ace would ban me, and he would be right to.
Obama is just so wrong.
Posted by: Jack at June 15, 2012 04:33 PM (wUFaM)
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 15, 2012 04:34 PM (DGIjM)
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at June 15, 2012 04:34 PM (4FyqG)
yes!!
don't forget tax evasion and benefit fraud , ESL classes sponsored by tax dollars, costs of death and injuries and auto insurance increases due to illegals driving with license or insurance,etc. etc.
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 04:35 PM (zsgo8)
Posted by: GMB the chancellor of the univerisity of usless information. at June 15, 2012 04:35 PM (kPe9l)
Posted by: sonnyspats at June 15, 2012 04:35 PM (Qr9Rc)
OT: Computer people.....if you were building a
computer, ordered all the parts, put it all together, turned it on and
it powers up for a second then shuts off....where would you look first
for the problem?
-----
power supply
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Let me expand on that. If it powers on just enough to kick the fans into motion and shuts off, the power supply is dead on arrival.
Posted by: Up, Up With People - except SCoaMF at June 15, 2012 04:36 PM (iYvMQ)
Posted by: wilda beast #4755 at June 15, 2012 04:37 PM (D7lJF)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 15, 2012 04:37 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: dogfish at June 15, 2012 04:37 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 04:37 PM (MMC8r)
204....I have been up close and personal with immigration for a very long time.
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 08:30 PM (zsgo
Would you happen to know what it costs these days....in fees and filing costs....to apply for citizenship, and then become a citizen?
I know that back during the days of the INS....the total cost was around $4000, in fees and such....that have to be paid with each form filed.
But that has been a while.
Everything else has gone up.
So I have been wondering what it costs these days....with the process now being under the DHS.
Posted by: wheatie at June 15, 2012 04:37 PM (M2JTb)
Posted by: GMB the chancellor of the univerisity of useless information. at June 15, 2012 04:37 PM (kPe9l)
also I paid my way through college doing landscaping and construction, but my 18 yr old and my 16 yr old can't get jobs.
wonder why?
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 04:37 PM (zsgo8)
Posted by: Stormy Weather at June 15, 2012 04:37 PM (Lo7Ka)
I'm saying let Romney choose the mode and manner, time place occasion and context that he considers tactically and strategically advantageous for him and the GOP (as opposed to advantageous for Obama, the Dems, and MSM) to comment on this. Let Obama take the heat today.
He's not at Obama's or the MSM's beck and call.
Posted by: lael at June 15, 2012 04:38 PM (nNjlJ)
But based on the way things are breaking I'm guessing that Romney will manage to get by without the coveted someguy endorsement.
And yeah this is the real 'punching up 'someguy.
Posted by: Mætenloch at June 15, 2012 04:39 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: wilda beast #4755 at June 15, 2012 04:39 PM (D7lJF)
My son and all his friends cant find a summer job either.Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 15, 2012 04:40 PM (DGIjM)
***
I call horseshit.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 15, 2012 04:40 PM (piMMO)
Why would you want a fake card if you already got a fake birth certificate? Most immigrant parents are good providers and ensure that their kids have as many birth certificates as they need.
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at June 15, 2012 04:41 PM (dBvlk)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at June 15, 2012 04:41 PM (MMC8r)
are eligible to receive work cards BUT there will be rampant fraud selling cards plus the gubmint workers pushing through everyone they can. Plus I seriously question the validity of stated numbers of illegals in this country. They are everywhere!!!
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THIS.
Posted by: Lady in Black at June 15, 2012 04:41 PM (vOMX+)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse
I say she should have chewed her food a little more thoroughly.
Posted by: dogfish at June 15, 2012 04:42 PM (N2yhW)
***
I'm doing my very best to refrain from engagement with the h8ters. It's akin to arguing with a brick wall.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 15, 2012 04:42 PM (piMMO)
How will he do it? What will the mechanics be?
Do you, like, go down to the SS office and stand in the three-block line to get a card? Is this the card you wave at the cop when he stops you for making an illegal right turn your car is full of dope smoke, and your pupils are blotting out your irises?
Who do you need to be to get the card? If you are a Republican, will they deny you?
'Cause it is not Feds that are doing all the possession or he's high arrests. It is locals. Town cops, state troopers, county deputies.
Will they honor my card?
'Cause I want to know.
Posted by: TheLittlShiningMan at June 15, 2012 04:44 PM (PH+2B)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 04:44 PM (sEXZ/)
yes the costs have gone way up. The class of visa determines which agency( ies) handle the visa process, which in turn affects the price. DHS and State have increased filing fees , mostly due to the huge problems with visa fraud and the necessary efforts to combat it.
I know DHS expedited filing went from 1000 to about 1225 if that gives you any idea.
It is incredibly unfair to those who attempt to immigrate legally but the potential pay off for running a successful visa scam is irresistible to those who would abuse the people and the system .
Legal immigrants are frequently FAR WORSE off than illegals. Sad but true.
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 04:44 PM (zsgo8)
Posted by: Mr. Pink at June 15, 2012 04:45 PM (++kZl)
Yes we have had quite a day so far. Aside from the locked comments and bannings we saw suggestions to (1) nuke Mexico, (2) perp-walk the prez, (3) deport millions of people.
Overreact we much!
Posted by: Wilkins at June 15, 2012 04:46 PM (fVgpT)
I would like to take this opportunity, to wish all the Dads in the Horde....
Happy Father's Day Weekend.
May it be filled with libations and merriment....rather than the usual weekend chores and honey-do's.
Posted by: wheatie at June 15, 2012 04:46 PM (M2JTb)
One of Biden's precious "moments of clarity" where he unintentionally speaks the gods honest truth about how damaging the Democrat management of our larger cities has been
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 15, 2012 04:47 PM (WbBPb)
Posted by: trainer at June 15, 2012 04:47 PM (5BG/I)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 04:47 PM (sEXZ/)
Posted by: Ronster at June 15, 2012 04:48 PM (mHC3R)
Posted by: Mr. Pink at June 15, 2012 04:48 PM (++kZl)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 15, 2012 04:49 PM (C8mVl)
I suggest that someguy take his vote and place it where the sun don't shine.
Posted by: Ronster at June 15, 2012 04:50 PM (mHC3R)
correction: I should have said legal NON immigrants
Non immigrants promise not to be permanent residents and to only come here for a temporary job or school etc.
Immigrants are on a path to citizenship.
If a non-immigrant attempts to remain in the US permanently they are in violation of the conditions of their visa.
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 04:50 PM (zsgo8)
Posted by: Waterhouse at June 15, 2012 04:50 PM (iVPR8)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 04:51 PM (4FyqG)
Posted by: sonnyspats at June 15, 2012 04:51 PM (Qr9Rc)
@240
Thanks, reality check.
So....now, it probably costs a minimum of around $7000 to file all the various forms and stuff?
That's prohibitive, for a lot of folks...I would think.
Posted by: wheatie at June 15, 2012 04:51 PM (M2JTb)
Posted by: Tami at June 15, 2012 04:51 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: steevy at June 15, 2012 04:51 PM (Xb3hu)
I know! I would love that hash.Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 15, 2012 04:51 PM (DGIjM)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 04:52 PM (sEXZ/)
Mis-installed in what way, trainer?
Posted by: Tami at June 15, 2012 04:52 PM (X6akg)
Two words: Supreme Court Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan.
How many more will retire in the next four years? Would Romney nominate worse?
Would you like to see what Obama did today decreed constitutional? Think bigger picture.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 15, 2012 04:52 PM (tpGic)
Friend --
Thanks to our president, this nation's immigration policy just became more fair and more just.
Effective immediately, the Department of Homeland Security is taking steps to ensure that young, undocumented immigrants who were brought here as children by their parents, and who have followed the law since then, will be able to request temporary relief from deportation proceedings -- and will be allowed to apply for authorization to work in this country.
They're a group that we've come to call the "Dreamers" -- and today, the country they love is telling them they should be able to dream as big as they want.
For years, the President has called on Congress to make common-sense fixes to our broken immigration system. They haven't. So he did.
I am so proud to stand with President Obama on this decision. Watch what he had to say today -- then join me by getting his back.
The hundreds of thousands of people who this policy might help are people who call the United States of America home. They study in our schools, play in our parks, and pledge allegiance to our flag. Some of them have served in our Armed Forces. They've started businesses; they've started families. They are Americans in every way but on paper.
Congress still has time to pass the DREAM Act. And if they do, policies like today's will no longer be necessary.
We are not giving up on this issue.
Stand up and support the President today -- and help send the message that this first big step must be followed by a real, permanent solution from Congress:
Thank you,
Katherine
Katherine Archuleta
National Political Director
Obama for America
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 15, 2012 04:53 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 04:54 PM (sEXZ/)
Posted by: Tami at June 15, 2012 08:51 PM (X6akg)
Sounds like a dead processor, or peripheral. Start pulling cards and such and turning it on to see if it ever stays up.
Posted by: ©Sponge at June 15, 2012 04:54 PM (WaR/4)
Have you tried the suggestion of removing or unplugging unneeded stuff. Like any graphics card, hard drive, cd drive. Just to see if it gets as far as bios.
Posted by: Wilkins at June 15, 2012 04:54 PM (fVgpT)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2012 04:55 PM (j1gX1)
Sarah isn't running. Mitt is what we have. This is my last vote for someone I do not want to vote for. I will give him a chance. Just to get mooch out of the peoples house.
After Jan 21, 2013 the repubs will control the house, the senate, and have the presidency. If they go back to business as usual, well new story I guess.
Posted by: GMB the chancellor of the univerisity of useless information. at June 15, 2012 04:56 PM (kPe9l)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at June 15, 2012 04:56 PM (R5yLq)
Like he ever had your vote in the first place you lying sack of moby shit. Now go drink some drano and light your sack on fire.
Posted by: Mr. Pink at June 15, 2012 08:48 PM (++kZl)
It's somegay, who cares. The turfers are getting desperate and sending out the masochistic wierdos who like to get their asses handed to them on conservative blogs when the chips are down.
It takes a special type of asshole to do what they do.
Posted by: ErikW at June 15, 2012 04:57 PM (kMZNm)
Posted by: ©Sponge at June 15, 2012 08:54 PM (WaR/4)
He's pulled everything out except the motherboard, ram, cpu, and power supply. Reseated everything, everything is on the risers, not touching the case. Still goes on for a second and then off.
Posted by: Tami at June 15, 2012 04:57 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at June 15, 2012 04:57 PM (Z+Y/8)
It will have a clamping bar you pull up to release the chip, and use to tighten down when re-installed.
Posted by: trainer at June 15, 2012 04:58 PM (5BG/I)
I know from experience what it's like.
He will either earn my vote, or he won't fucking get it.
I won't vote for Barack Obama, but I may also not vote for Mitt Romney and that's my choice.
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 08:52 PM (sEXZ/)
Well since you're in MA which Obama is going to win no matter what, your vote or non-vote will mean diddly squat in terms of the election.
So I guess Romney will have to endeavor to persevere without your support.
Posted by: Mætenloch at June 15, 2012 04:58 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Tami at June 15, 2012 08:57 PM (X6akg)
Pull the RAM, then the CPU. If it comes up, one of the two is dead, pulling the 5v bus to ground causing the P/S to start then stop. If both RAM and CPU are out and it still does it, the MB is likely fried.
Posted by: ©Sponge at June 15, 2012 04:59 PM (WaR/4)
Dealing with visa brokers/attorneys are the wild wild west. You just don't know what you are going to get. More immigration regulation "fixes " just lead to more visa fraud and human trafficking loopholes.
I have seen people, truly the best and brightest, lose life savings attempting to "do it right" and seen others, including felons, live high on the hog as a non tax paying illegal.
That is what is SO offensive about amnesty. It rewards thieves and punishes law abiding citizens.
Mitt got one thing right. The immigration system is broken.
But Mitt and the rest don't truly understand the problem and recycle the same old crappy " this time we'll fix it!" stupidity.
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 04:59 PM (zsgo8)
Romney needs to take the summer off.
After all it's only fair.
Give the special one a chance to catch up.
then when the govn't is fully funded in the fall,
the campaign can begin... at least that's the plan: sort of.kind of.
forwarning.
Posted by: we need the summer off/ because romney is a racist or something at June 15, 2012 05:00 PM (D7lJF)
Seems like you've done what you can do easily. If there isn't a bent pin, take it to a repairman, or return it.
Posted by: Wilkins at June 15, 2012 05:01 PM (fVgpT)
And speaking of tight rope, Nik Wallenda will be risking CERTAIN DEATH when he walks the wire over Niagara Falls in an hour and 15 minutes!
Well, not really, he'll be wearing a tether because ABC doesn't want him to die on live broadcast.
Posted by: ErikW at June 15, 2012 05:01 PM (kMZNm)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at June 15, 2012 05:02 PM (R5yLq)
Congress still has time to pass the DREAM Act. And if they do, policies like today's will no longer be necessary.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 15, 2012 05:02 PM (piMMO)
Y'all are getting played by someguy here. Same shitstirrer as always. If you allow him/her/it to do so, it will cause an uproar and slink away, mission accomplished.
Difficult, I understand, but ignoring it is the only recourse you have. You WONT be able to reach any accord, that isn't the objective it has. Just chaos is the prime objective.
I don't as a rule post like this, but I have my limits. And someguy pushed them here. So I said something.
You're perfectly free to ignore, flame or whatever else now.
Posted by: irongrampa at June 15, 2012 05:02 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: ©Sponge at June 15, 2012 05:02 PM (WaR/4)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 15, 2012 05:02 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 05:02 PM (MMC8r)
This whole Amnesty thing...is a touchy subject for most conservatives.
Most of us were gobsmacked when Reagan did it.
I know I was.
Barky knows this is a touchy subject.
That's why he did this.
I'm glad that Romney is taking his time about touching this one.
Because it's a two-fer type of trap....
One....the EO....something that we'd like to see Romney use, on day one, to undo some of the damage.
Two....the question of what to do with all those poor chillens of the illegals.
Touchy stuff, that is.
He should tread lightly on this.
Posted by: wheatie at June 15, 2012 05:03 PM (M2JTb)
------------------
Exactly how many times do you need to say this?
Posted by: Lady in Black at June 15, 2012 05:03 PM (vOMX+)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 05:04 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at June 15, 2012 05:04 PM (R5yLq)
****
Exactly as many times as he gets a reaction. Plus one.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 15, 2012 05:05 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 05:05 PM (sEXZ/)
makes you wonder just what Brian Terry and so many others died for , huh?
libtard activists have no idea what the real situation is and don't care.
They just want the end zone dance for the object of their worship.
Even while the stadium is burning down around them.
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 05:05 PM (zsgo8)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 05:06 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at June 15, 2012 09:05 PM (vbh31)
Yeah, well. Wha'd ya expect from shit coming out of China by the boatload.
Posted by: ©Sponge at June 15, 2012 05:07 PM (WaR/4)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at June 15, 2012 05:08 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: Stormy Weather at June 15, 2012 05:08 PM (Lo7Ka)
Posted by: seamrog at June 15, 2012 05:08 PM (63KSB)
Difficult, I understand, but ignoring it is the only recourse you have. You WONT be able to reach any accord, that isn't the objective it has. Just chaos is the prime objective.
Posted by: irongrampa at June 15, 2012 09:02 PM (SAMxH)
Exactly right and it IS difficult to not respond, especially when you know that you're right.
Posted by: ErikW at June 15, 2012 05:08 PM (kMZNm)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2012 05:09 PM (j1gX1)
libtard activists have no idea what the real situation is and don't care.
They just want the end zone dance for the object of their worship.
Even while the stadium is burning down around them.
*****
Those who put their lives on the line for the security of this nation are of absolutely no concern to him outside a photo op.
He has essentially held hostage the Constitution and the American people with that statement. He has informed us that the beatings will continue until moral improves.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 15, 2012 05:09 PM (piMMO)
Hey Tami....are you using new cables?
Maybe that's a stupid question....but that happened to me once.
Cable was intermittent.
And it wasn't even a very old one.
Posted by: wheatie at June 15, 2012 05:10 PM (M2JTb)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at June 15, 2012 05:11 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 15, 2012 05:11 PM (piMMO)
I hate the thought of EO as an immigration fix.
Most presidents...hell most Americans DO NOT know the difference between immigrants and nonimmigrants
The best way to stop the bleeding would be to link the number of non immigrant visas to the unemplyment rate.
Unfortunately, the visa fraudsters would scream to their Congressmen about "crops dying in the field" and that would end quickly .
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 05:12 PM (zsgo8)
Posted by: Ezra's Equal at June 15, 2012 05:12 PM (HPx+8)
Heh. I suspect you are getting close to the truth.
Posted by: Wilkins at June 15, 2012 05:13 PM (fVgpT)
Posted by: someguy at June 15, 2012 05:13 PM (sEXZ/)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 15, 2012 05:14 PM (C8mVl)
Posted by: Cum of someyunguy at June 15, 2012 05:14 PM (Qr9Rc)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2012 05:17 PM (j1gX1)
And it wasn't even a very old one.
Posted by: wheatie at June 15, 2012 09:10 PM (M2JTb)
Brand new. All parts arrived yesterday.
Posted by: Tami at June 15, 2012 05:17 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Anna Wintour 1917 - at June 15, 2012 05:18 PM (c3mby)
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at June 15, 2012 05:20 PM (dBvlk)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at June 15, 2012 05:20 PM (R5yLq)
Not the hill to die on
Overton window
More important to elect Republicans
I have that mapped to alt-F2 on my keyboard. Comes in pretty handy.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 15, 2012 05:22 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 05:22 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 05:23 PM (MMC8r)
* I someguy can either side with me and not oppose my amnesty.
* He can blow oppose me and vow to reverse my Executive Order the moment he I President are.
* If he tries anything else, he's not going to get it but doesn't deserve.
Posted by: somecluelessguy at June 15, 2012 05:23 PM (fVgpT)
You mean that Fourth Reich Communist Romney? Fuck you idiots, I'm voting for Obama.
At least he has my right leaning Conservative back.
Posted by: somegay at June 15, 2012 05:23 PM (kMZNm)
Rather than have a big flap about new laws regarding immigration, why not simply enforce existing law? Lately, that would be something different.
I believe that what we are seeing here is the effect, the root cause is Mexico's unwillingness or inability to work to inprove their citizen's living standards. Unless that happens, the problem obviously will worsen.
Posted by: irongrampa at June 15, 2012 05:23 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at June 15, 2012 05:24 PM (R5yLq)
Hey! Good to see you!
Posted by: Tami at June 15, 2012 09:02 PM (X6akg)
You must be psychic
Posted by: Beto at June 15, 2012 05:24 PM (BAnPT)
Yes, it is sad what has become of him.
Posted by: Wilkins at June 15, 2012 05:25 PM (fVgpT)
Posted by: sonnyspats at June 15, 2012 05:25 PM (Qr9Rc)
If you fail to proclaim your love for the bacon sundae no one will vote for you.
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at June 15, 2012 05:25 PM (dBvlk)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at June 15, 2012 05:25 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: blaster at June 15, 2012 05:25 PM (HR5x9)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at June 15, 2012 09:24 PM (R5yLq)
Mama says, stupid is as stupid does....
Posted by: Forrest Forrest Gump at June 15, 2012 05:26 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at June 15, 2012 05:27 PM (R5yLq)
We are a nation of immigrants.
NOT a nation of non immigrants. There is a huge difference which no one really discusses.
Immigrants strengthen our country.
Non immigrant visas outsource jobs to foreign workers which weakens our economy and encourages unemployment insurance abuse and fraud.
“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
― Benjamin Franklin
Posted by: Mitt Romney - desparately pandering for someguy's vote at June 15, 2012 05:28 PM (zsgo8)
Posted by: blaster at June 15, 2012 09:25 PM (HR5x9)
That's actually a good call. Pull the MB out of the case and test it on it's own.
Posted by: ©Sponge at June 15, 2012 05:28 PM (WaR/4)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at June 15, 2012 05:30 PM (R5yLq)
They still subscribe to the Disney view of politics. I lost my temper and screamed "ARE THERE ANY ADULTS HERE? THIS SPENDING IS UNSUSTAINABLE!"
Crickets chirping. Barry is Cool.
Posted by: Ombusman at June 15, 2012 05:30 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at June 15, 2012 05:32 PM (dBvlk)
Posted by: Anna Wintour 1917 - at June 15, 2012 05:32 PM (c3mby)
Posted by: Y-not at June 15, 2012 05:33 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at June 15, 2012 05:34 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: eman at June 15, 2012 05:35 PM (6KkLK)
Rubio's family got in as Cuban refugees aka asylum -seekers aka totally untouchable.
He has no clue what he is talking about.
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 05:36 PM (zsgo8)
Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2012 05:37 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: steevy at June 15, 2012 05:37 PM (Xb3hu)
353: "ARE THERE ANY ADULTS HERE? THIS SPENDING IS UNSUSTAINABLE!"
What's the big deal? All we need to do is print more money. What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at June 15, 2012 05:38 PM (7m+fO)
WORK AND EDUCATION BASED VISA HOLDERS ARE NOT IMMIGRANTS!
ok i feel better now.
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 05:38 PM (zsgo8)
Hmmm, Dewhurst as veep? It gets him out of Texas and he might not come back. He would be almost as entertaining as Biden.
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at June 15, 2012 05:38 PM (dBvlk)
Posted by: Wilkins at June 15, 2012 05:38 PM (fVgpT)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 15, 2012 05:39 PM (C8mVl)
They still subscribe to the Disney view of politics.
Posted by: Ombusman at June 15, 2012 09:30 PM (AxHOT)
Excellent analogy. And unfortunately, reality. The propaganda machine is going to be difficult to take on but it can be won.
As you mentioned, the word "unsustainable" makes stupid people even more stupid. Eyes glaze over and they switch over to some dumbass reality show.
Whew, this ain't gonna be easy.
Posted by: ErikW at June 15, 2012 05:40 PM (kMZNm)
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at June 15, 2012 05:40 PM (7m+fO)
Posted by: eman at June 15, 2012 05:40 PM (6KkLK)
Posted by: mistress overdone at June 15, 2012 05:41 PM (2/oBD)
Posted by: Sarah Jessica Parker at June 15, 2012 05:42 PM (0d0K7)
Stamped and approved by the US Govt each and every day.
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 05:43 PM (zsgo8)
Afterf watching the presser video, I've decided two things:
1) Should I ever have a son, I'm going to name him Neil Munro.
2? Tucker Carlson is a lot ballsier than I thought.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at June 15, 2012 05:43 PM (7m+fO)
Posted by: Scobface at June 15, 2012 05:45 PM (IoNBC)
Posted by: steevy at June 15, 2012 05:45 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: Stormy Weather at June 15, 2012 05:46 PM (Lo7Ka)
Posted by: pooh at June 15, 2012 05:46 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: Dr. McCoy - waving the tricorder over the thread at June 15, 2012 05:46 PM (zsgo8)
Posted by: huerfano at June 15, 2012 05:46 PM (bAGA/)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at June 15, 2012 05:48 PM (R5yLq)
"While I really really do NOT support the separation of children from their parents during a deportation..."
That's why you send the kids back with the parents. Because they're here illegally too.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at June 15, 2012 05:49 PM (nZvGM)
I found my first tomato of the garden season today. It's about the size of a shooter marble. Woohoo!
Excellent...
Excellent.
Posted by: Shaggoth what loves the Lycopene at June 15, 2012 05:50 PM (drMpk)
remember it is right up Obamas alley to throw out divisive issues to take away from eveything else he is doing.
in this case amnesty does also effect profoundly an economic rise, but it is similar in that will be those we are speaking of are (illegal) will barely be mentioned at this point it will b used to divide again into groups.
like womyn, gays, blacks, hispanics turn i spose.
Posted by: willow at June 15, 2012 05:50 PM (TomZ9)
smoke and mirrors
If the law was actually enforced, the "anchor babies" can't lay claim to US citizenship until they are 18 anyway.
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 05:51 PM (zsgo8)
"While I really really do NOT support the separation of children from their parents during a deportation..."
Fuck them.
Seperate or together, send them the fuck home.
Posted by: garrett at June 15, 2012 05:51 PM (drMpk)
Posted by: Y-not at June 15, 2012 05:53 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at June 15, 2012 05:53 PM (nZvGM)
If you can't deport them, then at least defund them!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 15, 2012 05:54 PM (i3+c5)
Id love to see it all implemented...the shit storm of gnashing of teeth and wailing from the left would be beyond epic
Posted by: Red Shirt at June 15, 2012 05:55 PM (FIDMq)
That link MUST be made in order to understand the broken system.
See " Grapes of Wrath" for more on what jobs Americans will do ....when they HAVE to.
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 05:55 PM (zsgo8)
Posted by: garrett at June 15, 2012 05:55 PM (drMpk)
Posted by: Justamom at June 15, 2012 05:56 PM (Sptt8)
Good point. He's using this as a distraction in the same way he did with the War on Women and the Same Sex Marriage thing. Chopping us up into little groups - pitting us against each other - hoping to cobble enough of the little groups together to get him the electoral votes he needs.
Posted by: mama winger at June 15, 2012 05:56 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: garrett at June 15, 2012 09:55 PM (drMpk)
Subsidize it!
Posted by: Red Shirt at June 15, 2012 05:56 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at June 15, 2012 05:56 PM (7m+fO)
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Pool private money for a group cause? What are you , a communist?
Posted by: mama winger at June 15, 2012 05:57 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: steevy at June 15, 2012 05:58 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: garrett at June 15, 2012 05:59 PM (drMpk)
Pool private money for a group cause? What are you , a communist?
He is asking for voluntary contributions. Does he need to offer an IPO for the ONT?
Posted by: fluffy at June 15, 2012 06:00 PM (4pSIn)
Posted by: Thorvald at June 15, 2012 06:00 PM (OhenJ)
Posted by: sonnyspats at June 15, 2012 06:01 PM (Qr9Rc)
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at June 15, 2012 06:02 PM (7m+fO)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at June 15, 2012 06:04 PM (R5yLq)
The problem is that (almost) all changes in immigrant or non immigrant status requires leaving the US before adjusting status.
Legal immigrants MUST "self deport" sometimes for YEARS in order to get a permanent resident card.
Illegals don't. They just hang around.
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 06:06 PM (zsgo8)
Mitt needs to ask Obama to tell his corrupt AG to comply with the subpenas over Fast and Furious. Why does Obamas administration cover up the murder of hundreds of Mexican nationals Why does Obama condone killing mexicans? These were not terrorists who he gets to pronounce death upon they were citizens minding their own business in their own country. Obama should release the transcripts or release his AG!
Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at June 15, 2012 06:08 PM (nonzP)
Up and running.
Posted by: Tami at June 15, 2012 06:09 PM (X6akg)
This is an unconstitutional distraction from the Fast and Furious debacle. President Obama should want to get to the bottom of why and how two American Border Patrol Agents and Mexicans were murdered by the hundreds in their own country with guns his Justice Dept supplied to drug cartels
The Mexican and American people want answers and can't be bought off by cheap tricks and distractions.
Mr Obama should tell his AG to comply with congressional oversight or fire him.
Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at June 15, 2012 06:19 PM (nonzP)
Posted by: osu at June 15, 2012 06:27 PM (mgpnB)
The GOP needs to figure out the illegal alien issue. Hispanics are already the largest minority. When the GOP went all hardball about illegals and welfare in Calif a couple decades ago vis-a-vis Pete Wilson, the GOP lost California, for 50 years, maybe more. And I agreed with Pete Wilson, a principled, dedicated conservative, and he took the right moral stand. So maybe the GOP can do that nationally? See where that is going? We have a problem in that we DID not control our border, both under GOP and DEMS. We said crossing and staying was illegal (wink-wink).
So we need to excercise the art of compromise here, that is what Rove was trying to do, since he is a political scientist, he knows demographics will eventually overwhelm message. That is why Bush tried to do amnesty, because the GOP must win a significant portion of Hispanics or become a forgotten party reigning in a few states. I don't particularly like the choices, but we better do something like nominate Rubio, just to split the Hispanic vote and to prep the GOP to have a viable Presidential candidate by 2020. As you should know the Dems will push a woman next, or a combo of a Hispanic and a woman.
Or a midget tatooed lesbian...whatever is the cultural flavor of the month. Get off the hard ideoligical demands...you will win few battles, but lose the war.
Posted by: Jehu at June 15, 2012 06:29 PM (Fkedv)
Posted by: pooh at June 15, 2012 06:34 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: Berserker at June 15, 2012 06:34 PM (FMbng)
riiiiiiight.... The Mexicans are self deporting in droves as jobs dry up and Gallup shows conservative politicians winning all over the US.
Now is the PERFECT time to....wait for it....COMPROMISE!!!
Squishy RINOs . Politics aren't for kids.
Posted by: reality check at June 15, 2012 06:38 PM (zsgo8)
Posted by: Rob in Katy at June 15, 2012 07:40 PM (PiTBB)
Just thinking out loud, how many of these "law biding" 30 year old children have used stolen Social Security numbers on job, college and other applications?
I mean, in a saner time and place identity theft used to be a federal crime.
Posted by: Ernie McCracken at June 15, 2012 08:04 PM (ZETiK)
like it's going to have the kids marched out of some fourth-grade
classroom in Fresno onto buses headed for the border"
I'm ok with that . They ARE NOT CITIZENS! Go back to where ever you came from and fix your own house. Come to the USA under the enunciated rules. GET IN LINE.
Posted by: free tibet-with purchase of - aww- you know the rest at June 15, 2012 08:08 PM (Po/wj)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - meditating on the many meanings of SCOAMF-itude at June 15, 2012 08:25 PM (gmoEG)
Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 15, 2012 08:45 PM (QW79X)
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at June 15, 2012 09:29 PM (QyMDY)
Posted by: Pamela at June 15, 2012 10:07 PM (dwA73)
Posted by: Electronics at June 15, 2012 11:01 PM (4aWjI)
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Posted by: Electronics at June 15, 2012 11:05 PM (4aWjI)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 16, 2012 04:33 AM (31yU8)
Posted by: osu at June 15, 2012 10:27 PM (mgpnB)
That's the one area where the dems seem to outright admit that they send people to argue the merits of whatever candidate they are touting.
I wonder if the romney camp will organize people to do the same all over the internet for their benefit?
Romney raised 5 sons and they seem pretty normal so he's probably a kewl dad. He's been married to the same woman for waaaay long and he didn't leave her when she got sick, that's kewl. Problem is, in the age where sports stars are lionized and their baby mamas are paid by the franchise, the virtues that romney exudes aren't appreciated.
In a way, romney has to literally re educate the country. Many believe he is the rich, detached, power hungry candidate. Somehow he has to show them the dad, the husband, the business man, the governor, the mormon, and make them appreciate who he is and why.
In this 8 dimensional chess game....you have to say a lot, but give away little information. The dems are saying romney has no plan cause they want him to get so frustrated he releases the plan so they can follow it. Maybe it's just as simple as romney saying "Look, mr. president, I take exception to you and your side always saying I don't have a plan. Of course I have a plan, in fact I have back up plans to my back up plans. it's in my genes, I'm a romney and a mormon after all. But, I expect my plan to work so well that I don't want to share it with you right now as it's delicate and complicated and needs the right people in place for it to work. I just want the American people to look at my record as governor and know I've got their back"...
maybe not quite that way, but something on that order. Problem is, he can't look like he doesn't want to save the country while BO is in office and he has to parse every word and think what will their response be to this word or that word. Politics has turned into a game of "micro minutia".
Posted by: pooh at June 16, 2012 05:44 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 16, 2012 06:34 AM (+XVQe)
I suspect that most "Independents" (i.e., the weak-minded) are only persuadable by feelings because by definition they can't make up their minds.
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Well that will leave a mark. Arms Merchant, you probably are not aware that "pooh" has identified herself as an independent - not a conservative - who frequents this thread God only knows why. Many who post here have their theories, but you'd have to go back and do a search on the many nics "pooh" has used since she first started commenting as "curious". Her current hash - (oZfic) has remained constant for a while now.
IMO weak-minded is a pretty good description.
Posted by: kallisto at June 16, 2012 08:04 AM (jm/9g)
NO ROMNEY/RUBIO
the GOP sucks! it's looking more and more like Gary Johnson for me!
Posted by: Nomittens Norubio at June 16, 2012 08:06 AM (elHhH)
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