1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

2 The reason conservatives have been so maligned and are so maligned, the reason people who don't know us think of us the way they do is not because they understand politics. It's a cultural thing. There's talking just to hear yourself talk, and then there's Rush. Giant no shit on the whole post.

3 Culture?  Sounds like a dog-whistle to me.

4 Personal responsibility?

5 If the culture is controlled by liberals I don't even know how one begins to get traction on that.

6 Nit-picky but- Huger? You made that up.

More huge...

7 Do you like Huey Lewis and The News?  My personal favorite is Hip to be Square.

8 5 If the culture is controlled by liberals I don't even know how one begins to get traction on that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 16, 2012 02:36 PM (T8WRP)

 

Let it burn?

9 I've been saying this for about a week now.  Maybe two.

The battle is in the culture.  We have some "culture warriors" (Clint Eastwood, Adam Baldwin, etc.) who could step in and do something, but that's what we need.

People watched SNL malign Sar she who shall not be named, and took it as FACT that she said she could see Russia from her house.  They get their news from John Stewart, and their take on the world from The Office.

That's the battleground, whether we like it or not, and that's where we have to be fighting.

10 Whoah. Deep. *bong rip*

11 >>>Giant no shit on the whole post. it's not no shit, it's Rush saying he was wrong, or at least partly wrong. Read the part i just bolded.

12 Just had a discussion with a lib co-worker this morning who blurted out "Sarah Palin is such an idiot" for no particular reason.

Tried to explain to this 20-something that she gets her impression of Sarah Palin from the pop culture, stand up comics, Big Media, Tina Fey, etc.

She didn't get it. Claimed, no, it's from watching Sarah Palin on youtube.

"It's the pop culture, stupid" should be our new motto.

13 Worth noting that Romney won white voters under 30, even tho most of them probably believe in global warming, etc.  Romney won white women too. The real division in this election was race, not age or gender.

14 5 If the culture is controlled by liberals I don't even know how one begins to get traction on that. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 16, 2012 02:36 PM (T8WRP) Education is how. Conservatives need to get their kids out of the public schools. It is the height of foolishness to send our kids to school for hours a day, five days a week, to be taught by people who hate conservative principles. You're not going to change the public schools. So get your kids out of them.

15 So then we are vindicated in our interest in Christina Hendricks' rack, then?

16

As long as there are no consequences there will be no behavioral changes.

 

Burn.

17 5 If the culture is controlled by liberals I don't even know how one begins to get traction on that. Like anything, you go after the funding. I don't know who the fuck is still keeping Hollywood in business (doesn't our economy suck right now?), but I haven't sat in a theatre this decade. And no, I don't buy their 0s and 1s much, either. If people keep shitting more and more of their precious resources (i.e., cash) on bullshit that wasn't worth watching in the first place, this situation I guess is inevitably the result.

18 So then we are vindicated in our interest in Christina Hendricks' rack, then?

No vindication needed.

19 "Rather, our voting is our culture given expression" What does this say about people who voted for Mourdock and Akin?

20 Maybe ace should review twilight.

21 5 If the culture is controlled by liberals I don't even know how one begins to get traction on that. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 16, 2012 02:36 PM (T8WRP) That's where I'm at. Square and unhip fiscal responsibility is ...... .....soooo uncool.

22 After all these years Rush still doesn't think of himself as "the media"?  An entire generation has been born and grown to voting-age with him on the radio.  Maybe, just maybe, his style could be part of the image problem conservatives face now with those under 30?

23 In order to change a cultural attitude ingrained since early childhood, you must do a lot of one-on-one with victims of mass indoctrination. At 74, I am too old to stop trying but it is getting harder every year to deal with mass ignorance. How do you reach those who have never been taught to think - just to feel?

24 >It's a huge task. Huger than most people even know. I'll write about that next.


nothing less than 25,000 words will suffice. We want characters, plotlines, footnotes, storyboards, the whole schmear.

25 The problem is that conservatives are, by and large, too fucking thick. Think about it, this sweaty hole is probably the "coolest" conservative blog there is.

26 What does this say about people who voted for Mourdock and Akin?

That they believe being the victim of a crime does not justify murder?

BTW, is the Texas Legislature still in session?

27 By way of example, the Regular Son goes to a Jesuit high school in a Midwestern city (albeit in a "swing" state).   Nearly every kid there went to parochial school.   A good number of the teachers are priests.   And yet... the vast majority of the kids see nothing wrong with gay marriage.   Now that may not be the best issue, and I'm not sure which way I cut on that myself -- mostly I don't care that much about it -- but the point is that, if you can't get middle-class Catholic high school boys to be against it, the boat has sailed.   And it hasn't sailed because people have made a reasoned debate that it's good policy.   The boat has sailed because we've been bombarded with cultural images of shiny happy gay people for the past twenty years.  

28 There is nothing sexy about Conservatism to them. Religion isn't sexy. Responsibility isn't sexy.

I think Clint Eastwood is awesome, but when we have to go to an eighty-year old bad ass to find cool we are in trouble. It's marketing.

29 I'm tired and I'm beat. At some point people just have to learn things the hard way. LiFB.

30 As long as there are public schools, then our kids are going to grow up thinking that the most vital things in their lives are provided by government. As long as that is the case, socialism wins.

31 Been saying this for years. BUT, as Rush stated even today, it begins with the schools. This election, and 2008, were lost 50 years ago when Billy Ayers and the Marxists took over the school systems. We have had at least 3 generations of American youth raised to HATE America, our institutions, our values and everything we traditionally have stood for. And as youth grew to adulthood, they carried these values with them as the default "normal" mindset straight into the media, journalism, entertainment, academia, the schools and of course politics. To them, conservatism is not just an alternative world view that is to be debated on an equal basis, it is EVIL and must be vilified and eradicated. I've long said that the key is to take back the schools, but after the election, I thought that that was now impossible. However, someone has suggested an interesting idea; an alternative parallel school system. It could be funded by people like the Kochs, Adelson, etc. The role model is Marva Collins from Chicago. In the late 70's, she ran a school in the inner city and her kids all wound up in college and steeped in ethics, morals and American ideals. No wonder she was ultimately marginalized and ignored. WE MUST TAKE BACK THE SCHOOLS. School board elections to start.

32 19 "Rather, our voting is our culture given expression" What does this say about people who voted for Mourdock and Akin? Posted by: Jordan at November 16, 2012 02:40 PM (jRfn3) Why don't you tell us?

33 Huge task pffft, the Democrats did it.

34 I told you so.

35

@14

Education is how. Conservatives need to get their kids out of the public schools. It is the height of foolishness to send our kids to school for hours a day, five days a week, to be taught by people who hate conservative principles. You're not going to change the public schools. So get your kids out of them.

------------------------------------

Yes, and no.  It's still possible to influence your kids as a parent.  The question is how effective that's going to be at countering the crap your kids get from their teachers, administrators, and "special presentations".  And assuming that you can keep your kids thinking straight, they might be the only conservative influence that their fellow students have.

 

36 Soon.

37

It goes deeper than that. Think of how many movies you saw this year with overt left wing themes. How many celebrities? Jesus, how many video games?I've almost become desensetized to it. Kids grow up today learning absolute shit in school. Most of the things I learned in jr high and high school about history were wrong. (Incidentially, in college all of my economics profs were free marketers. I honestly believed Keynesianism was dead prior to Bammy getting in)

I think now the battle Texas had to rewrite its history books last year was an important first step, and since Texas has an outsized influence on what gets distributed nation wide, its an important one. We need to keep pressing on that front and support those celebrities and projects that defend our ideals.

 

Conserative themes are sucessful at the ticket booth: The Dark Knight and Rises show this. We need to connect the dots better.

38 >>14 5 If the culture is controlled by liberals I don't even know how one >>begins to get traction on that.
>>Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 16, 2012 02:36 PM (T8WRP)

>Education is how. Conservatives need to get their kids out of the public
>schools. It is the height of foolishness to send our kids to school for hours a
>day, five days a week, to be taught by people who hate conservative
>principles. You're not going to change the public schools. So get your kids
>out of them.


No, I think pop culture precurses and over-rides education. It influences, leads, education. Teachers get libthink from higher ed u. but also from their heroes in pop culture, TV, movies, etc.

Pop culture defines what's 'cool'

Pop culture changes attitudes about dress, tattoos, gayness, what's politically correct, what's True, and it does it drip by drip, TV show by TV show, cool new pop star by . . . well, no need to go all Hannity here, you see my point.

39 We need more movies where the villains are bureaucrats.

40

When Reagan won in 1980...the Dept of Education had only been around a couple of years.

 

Reagan could use words like...'Socialism'...and the voting public knew what that word meant.

 

Fast forward 3 decades.

Too many people of voting age now don't even have a clear understanding of what the word 'Socialism' really means!

 

Republicans are at a disadvantage now, if they speak to the average voter like they are 'educated'.

Most voters today, have been programmed and indoctrinated...not educated.

 

41 The problem is that conservatives are, by and large, too fucking thick. Think about it, this sweaty hole is probably the "coolest" conservative blog there is.

Posted by: Abe Froman at November 16, 2012 02:41 PM (E55AK)

 

It would be better with pop-up ads all over the place...

42 Can I buy some pot from you?

43 There are good social and fiscal conservatives that continue to pay good money to watch some fucktard like Ben Affleck in a shitty movie. Mr. Affleck then pockets some of that cash, but of course takes a little off the top to contribute to the DNC. And the GOP just sits here, aghast.

44 There is a culture that uses a megaphone to drive its circus and another one that tries to go about its business ignoring the clowns.  Over time there have been fewer people quietly doing what is necessary and more people following the clowns. 

45

We gotta fight for our Right to Par-teeee

 

Actually, there's a lot of Right-leaning artists, celebs, etc but it is NOT safe for them to self-ID as such. If we can only make it so that being known as Right-leaning [not even Repub, jeez] is not a career-limiting move, we'll have this half-done.

46 "This was Breitbart's main idea, that politics was simply the expression of choices and preferences that had already been decided by the culture."

A substantial number of people I know under age 30 are (often without realizing it) go-to-hell libertarians at heart with no great faith in big government. They are potentially pitchable by the GOP.

However, many of them voted for Obama and big government over the essentially trivial and symbolic issues of marijuana legalization and gay marriage.

Trying to explain to them that the feds under Obama have been busting state-legal "medical" MJ dispensaries right and left, and that Obama's approving stance on gay marriage in 2012 is basically just a rewording of Dick Cheney's approving stance circa 2004, has been an empty well.

Why? The culture -- low information but nevertheless endlessly talkative -- tells them that Republicans hate gays and weed. Stupid, but it comes down to that.

47 Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 16, 2012 02:35 PM (hNXHo) I haven't read any of the comments but has anyone told you to go fuck yourself yet?

48 The important thing is to establish a climate of opinion which will make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing.

49 The left has a kung-fu grip on media and culture.

All the more reason, if not the best one, to BURN IT DOWN.

50 Day late and 20 dollars short.

Run red fight the rot there...and it is there just not as bad in the purple and blue.

Trying to flip Chicago....waste of time.

Run red.

51 "What does this say about people who voted for Mourdock and Akin?" Or the people who voted for Jessie Jackson Jr, currently in a fucking mental hospital? Rember Al Greene, the South Carolina Dem candidate? Voters for Akin and Mourdock aren't as big of scumbags as the people who voted for "Pockets" Tierney and "Liewatha" Warren. But yup, the stupid people are those Repubs, haw haw. You guys are so intellgent.

52

Joe Biden 11/16/2012:

"Today, Hostess literally went out of business. Literally!"

53

Stated goals of Communism from the Congressional Record, 1963:

 

11. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts forsocialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

 12. Gain control of all student newspapers.

 13. Use student riots to ferment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

 14. Infiltrate the Press.

 15. Gain control of key positions in radio, T.V., and motion pictures.

54 What does a burning culture smell like?

Oh yeah, Democrats.

55 And as to my comment at 31, if we try this the government will try and punish us either via the IRS or other regulatory arms to shut it down. Remember how FDR destroyed the Catholic schools in the 30's/40's in order to standardize the educational system. No wonder the unions fought like hell against school decentralization in the 60s and 70's. If we save our kids from this, we ultimately save the country. The question is, will there be an America for them even if we succeed in the deprogramming?

56 So, how about a repost of my big speech from back in the day? Good thing the Bushes came along and said Hogwash to all that.

57 WTF Cuba is under a Stalinist dictatorship. How in God's name is that liberal?

58 Not to mention - COD:BO2 has a fucking CVN USS Barack Obama? Not only am I not going to buy that piece of shit, I'm not even going to pilfer a pirated copy. That whole company is effectively dead to me. I wonder how many conservatives own a copy of that gross enablement?

59 And.... Donald Sensing and Mark Steyn were talking about this, saying we'll never get another National level election if we can't fix this, mostly because national elections tend to be cultural rather than political.

60 Why? The culture -- low information but nevertheless endlessly talkative -- tells them that Republicans hate gays and weed. Stupid, but it comes down to that. At some point, conservative politicians need to take a look at their principles, and decide, how does this translate into what policies I support?

61 TS;DR

62 By the way Ace it was upon reading this transcript that I had my monet of clarity at what the issue is.

Still sorting out which fork in the road to take.

Whether Limbaugh gets it or not he is making the argument for a Red diaspora at a minimum and perhaps break up.

63 Linky for #53:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/922684/posts

64

Think about it, this sweaty hole is probably the "coolest" conservative blog there is.

 

That's hot.

65 WE MUST TAKE BACK THE SCHOOLS. School board elections to start. Yup. Looking forward to Ace's essay on this; as someone under 40 "let it burn" is not only not an option, it's a deeply selfish concept. Primordial got this right on an earlier thread.

66 I don't have my child in public school but there are still millions who do including conservatives. If we survive as a country over the next four years and liberals haven't been able to permanently win elections partially by fraud.then this is a long battle over decades.

67 Posted by: Pat Buchanan Yeah. I liked Pat. It's just too damn bad he followed Joe Sobran over the falls to shoals of The-Jews-Did-It. It's like a black hole for paleocons.

68 Others as well as I myself have been saying since 2008 that our problem is not susceptible to a political solution. Our problem is cultural, and on account of this only a cultural change will solve it. Culture changes very slowly, and politics lag the culture. So you can pretty much count on dying before this thing turns around. I've seen the culture turn to garbage since the mid-sixties. It will take another 45 years for it to reform, if it even does that much.

69 Yes, and no. It's still possible to influence your kids as a parent. The question is how effective that's going to be at countering the crap your kids get from their teachers, administrators, and "special presentations". And assuming that you can keep your kids thinking straight, they might be the only conservative influence that their fellow students have. Posted by: junior at November 16, 2012 02:43 PM (UWFpX) Influencing your kids as a parent is exactly what I'm talking about. So you can do it swimming upstream against the influence of your kids' socialist teachers and peers (maybe successful?) or you can do it through the education you provide for them. If you leave your kids in the public schools, they're conditioned from the beginning to think of themselves as dependent on government, because government provides their education. Yes, pop culture is important. So control what your kid watches, too. Conservatives are not going to be in control of pop culture for a long time. Music and the arts are in many ways inherently liberal, due to the temperament of artists. So through education we have to give our kids the right attitude toward pop culture, and control their consumption of it. Taking back the culture isn't going to be easy.

70

Politics is not the dog. Politics is the tail that gets wagged. Culture is the dog that wags the tail.

 

This is what I mean when I say the MEDIA are the enemy.      Barky    O'Dumbfuck is merely their current plaything.   

71 Cuba is under a Stalinist dictatorship. How in God's name is that liberal?

Is this a joke?  The Liberals' favorite leaders are Marx, Stalin, Mao, and Che.  Modern "Liberalism" IS Marxism.  There's a reason the Communist Party USA supported Barack Obama for President.

72 I've mentioned before that I grew up in the Evangelical Christian world. I'm talking the really hard core is it wrong for women to wear pants portion of that world. There was always a huge issue with the being in the world but not of the world thing. I attended Christian schools. I went to church every time the doors were open. All of my friends went to the same school and if not the same church then a similar one. We tried to patronize only Christian businesses. Whenever there would be a push to bring unsaved friends to whatever function, well, I quite literally did not know anyone to bring. After all, you didn't go over to Sally's house because her parents let her listen to rock music and play video games. It was an incredibly, intensely insular world. When I hear the push to only patronize conservative businesses and to avoid all media and all the rest, that's what I think about. I've lived in a parallel culture and I must say that it's very, very difficult indeed to reach anyone outside that world if you aren't willing to step into theirs. Not that it's wrong to want to reward those who are like minded and I utterly understand the push to cut off the funds to the MFM. But doing so completely does create a very isolated, self-perpetuating bubble. Two asides - first, I am not slamming Evangelicals. The best people I know are in that world. Second, you want to know why I swear so much? There you have it. When you grow up being told that gosh is just beyond the pale, well, those of a certain personality type tend to overcompensate the other way. Just a tiny fucking bit.

73 9 Allen G,

You are of course correct here's the problem.

Those fucking retards may not be worth swaying.

I am trying to reason it out.

Like I said Limbaugh may not know it but since I doubt we can avoid the storm he is making an argument for a Red Diaspora.

74 Headline on Big Hollywood says Mia Farrow's brother being investigated for child sex. WTF is with the men around Mia Farrow?

75 I worked at a health care facility and they had a meeting where we watched the glory of Cuban health care. This was in Boston, medical center mecca of the world. They are insane.

76

>>>Cuba is under a Stalinist dictatorship. How in God's name is that liberal?

 

Because its not Rethuglikkkan, duh.

 

Really, I think we need to have all the same arguments that the Federalist and Anti-Federalists

77 Obullshit has been saying all year that things will be fine if the rich "just pay a little more"

Boehner has suggested closing loopholes and deductions rather than raising tax rates, but Obullshit says "that wouldn't raise enough money"

How much is "just a little more" then?

Never mind, Barry Obullshit is hip and cool. That's all that counts

78

What to make of the six-nine million voters who abstained this election: former preazy voters, but didn't show up to vote against him?

 

Were they abstaining, or voting "present" on the basis of culture?

79 De-lurking for a bit. I've basically completely detached myself and my family from pop culture. I get criticized a lot from friends and family that I'm doing my kids a huge disservice because they won't know how to be "social" or whatever. My thesis is essentially: garbage in, garbage out. And when there is very little in popular culture that is not garbage, I dont know how you could steep yourself in it and not expect what you get back to be garbage. Anyway I've found that since doing this I've become a lot more conservative (really, more libertarian in fiscal issues and conservative in social ones, probably borderline libertarian on security) and I think it's really because I'm not being hit in the face with all the touchy-feely propaganda the Statists entwine in the media and entertainment industries. Conversely, I have some relatives that pay a moderate amount of attention to popular culture and while they are usually fairly conservative, they have a much harder time (a) articulating those values, especially in the face of emotional appeals, and (b) they're a lot squisher on principles. Just some observations. I don't know how we get the population at large to stop consuming the propaganda infested garbage. I try to do my part by home schooling my kids and keeping them out of as much of the popular culture as humanly possible and explaining as best Incan the fallacy of popular ideas when they do cross our threshold. /lurk on

80 62 Whether Limbaugh gets it or not he is making the argument for a Red diaspora at a minimum and perhaps break up. Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 02:47 PM (LRFds) Sven, another "radical" idea (literally). What if somehow, conservatives migrated back into blue states to tip the electorate our way? It would cost a huge amount of money and the illegal aliens have to be accounted for, but that would be intriguing. Get the Kochs to pay for every conservative family's mortgage who does this. Yeah, weird, but what the hell? I'm desperate.

81 67, So, you haven't read my books, but you got your ideas about me from the culture? See a trend here?

82 L I B

83 "COD:BO2 has a fucking CVN USS Barack Obama?" WTF? That seems strange. I wonder if they would have done a USS Romney, had he won. I've got this game on order and look forward to the multiplayer.

84 The good news is that now that we are officially the underdogs, the counter-culture, we are automatically the cool ones. The left is the Empire, we are the rebel alliance. That's just how stories work. And never underestimate the power of the narrative.

85

"What does this say about people who voted for Mourdock and Akin"?

 

I think it says that these people, despite the obviously idiotic and damaging things Mourdock and Akin said, recognized that while Mourdock and Akin may not have been the brightest and most ideal candidates, the alternative (especially in Akin's case) was worse.

 

Bashing those who supported either Akin or Mourdock is and was counterproductive; the GOP Circular Firing Squad aided and abetted the Democrats who defeated them.    

86 voting does not matter anymore when the voting system has no integrity and is rife with fraud and corruption.

Let It Burn.

87 65 Ian S,

I am 40 I have less time to repair my own life.

I will not surrender to this fucked up nation they've built of no competition ensured outcome self-esteem junkie losers who are told how far they can go.

The nation I was born into pointed at the horizon and said "run as hard and as fast as you can and stop when you will."

It's part of the deal and if it is dead so is my nation.

Letting it burn may open the dumb fuck's ears enough to listen but no pain no change.

88 Culture is the dog, and Barack eats dogs.

89 Having some of the forbidden fruit aka the Twinkie for lunch with some chocolate milk.

90 maybe rick perry and other GOP govs start looking at the insane lefty text books being used.  And otherwise punish lefty lib teachers.

91

Hey Cuba is uber-cool.  They all drive 53 Chevys  you know.

 

-Student (owes $148,000)

92 I'll say its a friggin cultural problem. I spent a day at our local county courthouse this week, observing the proceedings (I'm a wannabe lawyer, so I enjoy these things).

But in the wake of the election and the triumph of the ObamaPhone people, I couldn't pay attention to just what was happening on the bench. I kept noticing all the people around me, listening to their conversations, seeing how they acted, etc.

I guess y'all probably know this, but the problem goes a helluva lot deeper than cool and uncool. That court was swimming in people who didn't know and couldn't care less about any kind of self restraint.

The family court session I sat in on featured a woman barely in her 20s along with her baby daddy attempting to get their newborn son back from state custody. The child (their second) had been not been allowed to go home with them from the hospital, as the "mother" was under investigation for abusing her older son and had tested positive for drugs during the pregnancy. She was, by the way, collecting over $1500 a month in SSI and food stamps. No job, naturally.

The criminal court sessions I observed were chock full of drug addicts, assaults (mainly for drug money) and child abuse. There was also a liberal sprinkling of domestic abuse.

I spoke with a woman whose son went the same university I did. He was being arraigned on drug charges. Possession, manufacturing, distributing, etc. He had been pressured into it by a roommate.

Our country is drowning because its a significant chunk of its people CANNOT AND WILL NOT CONTROL THEMSELVES. I do not for one second believe that they don't know the difference between right and wrong. They just don't care. Their needs and their desires are the most important thing, and if you have to suffer so they can have some momentary pleasure, well, that's just too bad.

Tell me that this attitude isn't what we're seeing in Washington writ large. Gimme gimme gimme, who cares who gets hurt. Debt, deficits, I don't care, give me my benefits. They don't know from freedom. They don't know from liberty. It's a complete and total repudiation of traditional American values, and we're allowing it to happen right under our noses. Work means nothing. Morals are non existent. There's no pride in ownership, no pride in self. No dignity.

To be honest, after a day of sitting with these people, I wanted to cry. Because this is a medium sized city in the South. I can't imagine what it's like in Chicago, or NY, or Los Angeles. And I don't know what we can do about it. You can't converse with these people. They're not suddenly going to straighten up and fly right. The level of ignorance and violence is astounding. This is a cancer. Our cities are like tumors in the body of our country, and they're only growing larger.

I'm depressed because I don't see a way out of this. People like this have the ear of government, and hard working adults like you and I are ignored and ridiculed.

93 33 Huge task pffft, the Democrats did it.

Yes, but Step 1 for them was enacting school socialism.  That was over 150 years ago.  We're way behind the curve.

The thing we politely call "public schools" was started as an OVERTLY socialist program.  They only later changed the labels, once "socialism" was recognized as a failure. 

Socialist schooling seems normal and not innately evil to a lot of people nowadays, but that's only because there is no one alive today who was around when it began.  We all grew up in the post-socialist-schooling era. 

How do you expect to sell a program of maximum liberty, and economic liberty in particular, when the entire population is OWNED by the government for 12 years?

12 formative years, at that.

Here's my idea.  We all know public schooling sucks.  Everyone has experienced it first-hand.  One of the ways to fight this culture war is to remind voters that the same kinds of people who made your life hell in middle school are the same ones who are going to be running your healthcare. 

They are, incidentally, the same kind of people you encounter working at the Post Office, and the people who are in charge of prisons. 

Same template, all of these governmental enterprises. 

The idea of government-run "services" doesn't seem so attractive now, does it?

94 A thought...

Could Homeschooling families be hurting the culture inadvertently by withdrawing from the school system?  I mean, they can raise their child the way they wish, but that child still has to live in a culture.

95 47 I haven't read any of the comments but has anyone told you to go fuck yourself yet? I have run that gauntlet so far today. Hearing this from the lips of Rush today, when I've been hearing it from Brietbart and many others for years...just didn't strike me as much of a revelation.

96 What I want to know is, cultural or political, does intelligence come into play at any point here?

97

Jeesh.

 

 Federalist and Anti-Federalists HAD

98 So instead of Boehner, we follow Ted Neugent -- I'm Ok with that

99 83 Whoredan,

I doubt it just like I doubt the President would have been in next years' madden Whoredan.

Fuck you

let it burn

100

alexthechick:

 

Are you really a chick?  Are you hot?

 

I understand it and your sentiment is dead on.  Raised by evangelicals as well.  That's a great point.  You must know everything to arm yourself and be relevant.  Can't just exist in a bubble.

101 No, I think pop culture precurses and over-rides education. It influences, leads, education. Teachers get libthink from higher ed u. but also from their heroes in pop culture, TV, movies, etc. Pop culture defines what's 'cool' Pop culture changes attitudes about dress, tattoos, gayness, what's politically correct, what's True, and it does it drip by drip, TV show by TV show, cool new pop star by . . . well, no need to go all Hannity here, you see my point. Posted by: Sphynx at November 16, 2012 02:44 PM (j2McS) I think they work concurrently. Education allowed the Left to dumb down the populace, which helps to make them more easily fooled.

102 It's MBM + Pubic Education via the Frankfurt School's Long March.

Cultural Marxism while pretending to be anything and everything else but.

Kids now are computer game playing, vampire wannabe, drones without the the slightest inclination for independent critical thinking.

That gets shouted down and crushed in a heartbeat by the same crowd that's against bullying.

103 Ace, sorry I'm about 3 threads behind and haven't read all the comments, but if the initial CIA talking points called it an attack by Al Qaeda terrorist attack, then who decided to blame the video?  I thought the CIA said previously that they initially thought it was a spontaneous protest caused by the video and that's how Rice and Clinton  et al got that information -- that they were just going on what Intel told them.  So does this mean that Petraeus is throwing the WH under the bus and coming clean?  This seems YUGE.

104 "Culture is the dog, and Barack eats dogs." Ahhh... but dogs shit all over Romney's car, like on election night.

105 Ace, I've been saying this for years.  Just a few months ago, my brother-in-law asked me if I thought we could stop the economy from falling apart if we got rid of Obama.  I told him, "Nope. Obama's not the problem, he's just a symptom. The whole culture's broken and not likely to fix itself any time soon."

Depressing, but not untrue.

106 So, you haven't read my books, but you got your ideas about me from the culture? Eat shit, Buchannan sock. I was a loyal fan and the breakup was painful. With both him and Joe, I denied it for years but the weight of evidence was overwhelming. I'm not even going to waste time debating it. You're just talking out your ass.

107 The left is the Empire, we are the rebel alliance. That's just how stories work. And never underestimate the power of the narrative.

Posted by: votermom at November 16, 2012 02:51 PM (E9lkO)

 

The only problem is that we have to find a way to make that point.  The idiot    regressives have convinced the country that they're the "counter culture"   instead of the mainstream.   That's how they get away with most of their crap.   Ironically, to make people realize it's the other way around, we have to take back the media,   which WOULD make the left the counter culture again.   

108

Our country is drowning because its a significant chunk of its people CANNOT AND WILL NOT CONTROL THEMSELVES. I do not for one second believe that they don't know the difference between right and wrong. They just don't care. Their needs and their desires are the most important thing, and if you have to suffer so they can have some momentary pleasure, well, that's just too bad.

 

Shorter Societal Meme that their parents were bombarded with: If it feels good, do it.

109 I know what Socialism (all hail it's soveirgn glory) is!  It's were the government takes money from evil rich people and makes it where everyone is upper middle class and everyone has everything they needs.  Duh!

110 I did see the culture turn around pretty dramatically in 1981 after Reagan was elected, well, post 1981.  Fashion went from casual dirty jeans and long haircuts, sometimes Disco hair, and cutesy giggling about drug use, to three piece suits and short-on-the-sides hair and supply side economics job seeking. People cleaned up and admired the example set by the president.

Not saying Obama is drug addled or anything. He does dress pretty sharp and sets a fairly good example in comportment.

111 Oh dear Lord.

My daughter just texted me from work, something she rarely does, and from the get-go I could tell it would be a doozy.

She said she just been involved in a heated debate about the election with someone who voted for Obama because he is black. Well, I suppose my daughter must have pointed out that he is also white because she was met with this argument:

Your DNA is determined by your father so Obama is fully black

112 Some ideas: 1) Don't give the Hollywood Left your money. But do reward pop culture that shares your values. 2) Don't give the ESPN Left your money. Some sports lean way, way Left. NBA is the most left-wing. PGA probably leans the most to the right. 3) Don't abandon Facebook. Expose your friends and family to non-Leftist ideas. If there is a left-winger in your network you really hate -- just hide their updates so you don't see them. You will likely be attacked and mocked by your own friends and family. Just accept that as the price you have to pay, the cross you have to bear, to expose them to non-Leftist ideas. You don't have to argue. Just share links to stuff from Ace, Insty, NRO, Drudge, etc, etc. Those meme-gifs are great because they are impossible not to see and process. Anything long and they won't read it. 4) Turn off ad-block on right-wing sites. 5) Buy your Amazon crap through conservative affiliates. General idea. Rewards your allies. Punish your enemies. Don't retreat. Stay on the battlefield. I don't read Facebook. It makes me too angry. But I share something every day. I try not to be a dick. No cursing. No - Fuck Obama that fuckstick. Just daily sharing of non-leftist stories, articles, memes, and the like. Openly, with your real name, liking conservative sites and organizations. Openly "liking" the Repubs, or Ace, or NRO, or Heritage, or AEI, or Cato, etc, etc. Don't give in to the bullying. They are winning with cultural confidence. Human nature is to follow the strong horse. We need to act like the strong horse. Strong horse doesn't hide. And doesn't lash out like a bitchy girl. Constant, daily, confident sharing of conservative ideas, jokes, and stories will go a long ways to rolling back the leftist tide.

113 72 AlexTheChick,

Alex had they not made such gains ratfucking the right I'd agree....

time to give them what they want and stop kissing the corpse.

They can decide when it gets too bad with their shit and we leave whether they want to come knock on my door.

I wouldn't suggest it.

114 be named, and took it as FACT that she said she could see Russia from her house. They get their news from John Stewart, and their take on the world from The Office.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 02:37 PM (8y9MW)

Jesus wept.

well, those of a certain personality type tend to overcompensate the other way. Just a tiny fucking bit.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 16, 2012 02:49 PM (VtjlW)

Overcompensate? But what does that say about all the boobehs that get pos......

Oh.

115 >Education allowed the Left to dumb down the populace, which helps to make them more easily fooled.


but stupid people are nothing new...

116 94 Posted by: Serious Cat at November 16, 2012 02:52 PM (UypUQ) Well, the child will not have been exposed to the propaganda and his parents will have given him the tools to cope with it. My dear friend's son is at Columbia and whenever he comes home he describes the cult-like atmosphere of the students and professors alike. Naturally he has to keep his yap shut in order to get along and pass his classes. That's an example of VERY GOOD PARENTING.

117 Well-ell, you know, we'd all like to see the plan...

118 While I may have disagreed with you even a month ago, I'm reluctantly beginning to come around. I think there are a lot of fake (or simply irrelevant) cultural issues that need to put to the side. But if we can really winnow it down to the core set, then maybe there's a fight to be had there. I'm still in "I've given up" mode. But I'm realizing that my heart hasn't quit yet. I'm still not willing to engage in political battles, like on Facebook, anymore, because I'm so outrageously outnumbered, and simply don't have the time or the patience to engage. My priority is working to earn money to take care of my family and plan for a potentially nasty future. There are a lot of things I need to do to make sure my loved ones are as safe as possible. Anything beyond that is not important right now. I still think we're too late to prevent economic collapse. But I'm paying attention, and if I think I can start making a difference beyond my selfish little world, I may engage again. Looking forward to your essay, Ace. You've been bringing it big-time of late. I do appreciate it, even though I've chosen to disengage myself. Maybe I'm an intellectual moocher? Maybe. I just don't have the emotional strength for it right now. I guess that's unfair.

119 The real division in this election was race, not age or gender.

That's where one of the big cultural divides is.  Raise your hand if you can distinguish between the noise made by Jay-Z and the noise made by Dr Dre without a libretto.  Their fans don't want to listen to the music we talk about here, either.

I have no answers, just the observation.

120 >>>It's a huge task. Huger than most people even know. I'll write about that next. Umm.. At this point I kinda have to note that topical open blogger piece I submitted on Monday ace. I guess this means you've decided you don't want to use it?

121 Breitbart Breitbart Breitbart. He knew this, and we probably would have won this election had he still been around. We need to come back swinging from the cultural end of things. Would be great if we had the South Park guys, Adam Carolla, Tim Allen et al pushing back really hard here.

122 Don't let the trolls get your blood pressure up.  Just remember, they are the ones who think everything is going great.  They are the ones who will be caught most off guard by the collapse and will likely burn first.  Enjoy.

123 "Raise your hand if you can distinguish between the noise made by Jay-Z and the noise made by Dr Dre without a libretto. Their fans don't want to listen to the music we talk about here, either." *raises hand*

124 111 Oh dear Lord. My daughter just texted me from work, something she rarely does, and from the get-go I could tell it would be a doozy. She said she just been involved in a heated debate about the election with someone who voted for Obama because he is black. Well, I suppose my daughter must have pointed out that he is also white because she was met with this argument: Your DNA is determined by your father so Obama is fully black Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 02:55 PM (piMMO) Deja vu???? I could swear I read this like 3 years ago here! WTF?

125 94 Serious Cat,

No they were merely ahead of the curve in recognizing the state was hijacking their kids for evil.

The cold civil war is on, do what you can or let them control it all those are the choices.

126 I expect that during his second term, Obama and his minions will try to regulate homeschooling to even more of a degree than it already is or try to ban it altogether. The thing is there are so many people who homeschool now and they are quite well organized- and not just conservatives- that to do so may be harder than they think. In fact, that might be an area where homeschoolers of various political could work together-both being appalled by the idea that the government could tell them how to educate their kids. Last time this was tried homeschoolers burned up the phone lines.

127 Culture eh?
http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=17380#comment-185440

Culture:
Is evolutionary.
Is faster than and less permanent than genetic/physical evolution.
Is the transmission through the generations of emotional reactions to ideas, symbols, things.
Is lived, experienced, assimilated from the environment especially during childhood years.

Culture is changed by:
Individual revelation which can be just for the individual or if expressed, as art, as an idea, can cause a change in the culture.
Immersion in different culture, or just contact which results in cultural trade, blending.
Forced immersion which should be called brainwashing.

What is transmitted through the generations:
Principles of a social organization of human society. What is “good”, and “bad”. What “human” is.

What I am getting at is that a “culture” is a complex set of internalized emotional reactions that a cultural group have in common. At the base there are emotional responses that are genetically “hard wired” in. These form the basis of what we call “human nature”. “Culture” is layered on top. It is “learned” for the most part in childhood and adolescence by living in, experiencing the culture of the adults surrounding one.

Cultural change, because of this, mostly proceeds, at the most, on a generational pace. Successful, functional cultures build in concert with human natureÂ’s hard wiring. Dysfunctional cultures build in conflict with human nature. The conflicts make for the dysfunction. They inflict costs on the culture that lower itÂ’s utility to most of the humans living under it. Most, but not all, there will always be some that benefit and will try to keep the even the most dysfunctional culture from changing.

Culture can be studied but a culture must be experienced to be understood. This is like “love” which can be studied to death but can’t be really understood by that means. Art and music can come closest to bringing on an understanding of ‘love” or a “culture”, but they are cultural entities themselves, not rational but emotional.

128 I hate Pixy.

129 @122 - I believe we call that "Point Made."

130 Your DNA is determined by your father so Obama is fully black

Bad news for Halle Berry's baby.  Pfuh.

131 Your DNA is determined by your father so Obama is fully black

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 02:55 PM (piMMO)

 

Oh for the love of...

 

 

132 I'm not sure I totally agree with the whole idea that public schools can sway a kid whose parents do a good job educating/reinforcing them in the way the world works. My kids are in high school, even spent a year in a Canadian school where one of the teachers was a fucking Truther, and their opinions are influenced far more by me and Mrs. Jakeman than some douche at the head of the classroom. Every day, they come home with something hilariously stupid that a teacher said, and we laugh about it as a family. In essence, the cultural problem starts with PARENTS who are either ignorant, naive, or enlisted in the Free Shit Army. Schools can exacerbate it, but it is *not* where it starts.

133

When Bush and the Repubs passed the drug-goody bill I thought we were in trouble.

 

When Obama was elected I thought   we were in trouble.

 

When Obama fired the President  of GM, I thought, that's it, America  is finished.

 

When Obamacare passed, I thought, well, that's really it.

 

When Obama was reelected I was thought, oh yeah, that's it, it's over.

 

But now, now Hostess is out of business?

 

THE END.  The Burning, It Must Be Allowed.

134 I expect that during his second term, Obama and his minions will try to regulate homeschooling to even more of a degree than it already is or try to ban it altogether.

They already tried criminalizing it.  Failed.

135 94 A thought... Could Homeschooling families be hurting the culture inadvertently by withdrawing from the school system? I mean, they can raise their child the way they wish, but that child still has to live in a culture. Posted by: Serious Cat at November 16, 2012 02:52 PM (UypUQ) I'm not going to sacrifice my kids' future to possibly help the culture. And I think my kids will help the culture far more by being productive, educated responsible adults than by becoming the brainwashed wastes of space that our public schools usually turn out these days.

136 Seriously, looking at the elections results it was basically minority women who delivered the election to Obama. If you look at the white women vote, they actually broke for Romney, so the thesis is how we would reach out to minority women. The answer? We can't. They want their handouts, end of story. The other factor was low turnout. What can we do to get them back to the polls? The answer is easy: stop fucking nominating RiNOS. Romney was a Johnny come lately in that respect, and while the debate showed him to be a much better candidate than I expected, it probably wasn't enough. People just have up and stayed home. We need someone who can make us believe again, and that means someone who isn't going to be democrat lite, or a centrist, but a bona fide conservative who can communicate his ideas and effectively inspire the nation to vote for him. Yes we need another Reagan. Otherwise, GAME OVER, man, GAME OVER.

137 @122 - I believe we call that "Point Made."

Ayup.

Get that troll some Cult.

138 You know it's bad when people my generation don't care about how crappy the economy is anymore. And I mean that, I'm kind of shocked talking to my friends how they really don't care about having a career. Here is how my typical conversation went about two years ago;
Friends: Wow we have tens of thousands of dollars in student debt
Me: Are you in the right job to make the money to pay that off?
Friends: The right job is boring, I want to do something where I feel important
Me: Define important?
Friends: Helping people
Me: Providing a service or creating a product doesn't help people?
Friends: It doesn't bring me fulfillment
Me: Well then what does?
Friends: Maybe volunteer work, I'm also working on a screen play right now, I just don't want to end up in an office job, maybe I will help plant some trees.
Me: (Face palm)

139

90maybe rick perry and other GOP govs start looking at the insane lefty text books being used. And otherwise punish lefty lib teachers.

 

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 02:52 PM (WrIV3)

 

-----------

 

Texas already has been working on the "insane lefty text books being used".

There have been some lawsuits over it.

But I think that Texas won.

 

And Rick Perry put some things in place, to make college professors 'accountable' to the students and parents.

That's why his college records were 'leaked' last year, to Huffpo.

 

140 but stupid people are nothing new... Posted by: Jones in CO at November 16, 2012 02:56 PM (8sCoq) Sure, but we have quantitatively more of them nowadays than in the past, if literacy rates are anything to go by. I remember reading about Army literacy test results, how they found that from WWI onwards, the results got worse and worse. That roughly coincides with the advent of the public school system. I believe it was designed from the get go as a means to control the populace, and it's worked quite well, wouldn't you agree?

141 Your DNA is determined by your father so Obama is fully black Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse

Your DNA might not be, but your stupid can be

142 but stupid people are nothing new...

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 16, 2012 02:56 PM (8sCoq)

 

But      stupid people who never have to feel the consequences of their stupidity are.

143 Well, the child will not have been exposed to the propaganda and his parents will have given him the tools to cope with it.

...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 16, 2012 02:56 PM (XkWWK)

Yes, but on the flip-side the rest of the students at school aren't exposed to the example of a kid raised by a decent family.

144 Getting around the gatekeepers will be problematic. Take the example of one of the more consistently conservative art/entertainment forms: spy/military fiction. Yes, I know there are plenty of lefties in this field, too, but we can at least say that conservative themes are well represented here. What happens when these stories get converted to the big screen, though? Look at what happened to Clancy's books. If Hollywood were really all about the money, then best sellers like Brad Thor and Vince Flynn would have already been translated to film by now. It's taken ages for Flynn to get to the point where he might have a cast and director sometime in the near future. Probably would have multiple films already done if he had just sold the rights to his characters and let Hollywood do what they do best - turn a good story into lefty propaganda.

145 Could Homeschooling families be hurting the culture inadvertently by withdrawing from the school system?

When you mix a scoop of ice cream into a pint of shit, you haven't improved the shit but you have ruined the ice cream.

146 My teachers in public school were quite Liberal. You know, come to think of it, that's probably why I'm a conservative. Oh yeah, I knew *how* to think before they tried to teach me *what* to think. Thanks, mom! All those flash cards were the shit.

147 But stupid people who never have to feel the consequences of their stupidity are.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 16, 2012 03:00 PM (4df7R)

Consequences? Racist.

148 I finally lost it a little bit today in the office. Our lunch area has a TV, unfortunately it's always tuned to CNN (the "neutral" channel). Today's outrage consisted of two ladies on the TV discussing the new Lincoln movie and looking at the alleged parallels bewteen Lincoln and Obama. My outburst of derisive laughter brought me some disapproving stares, and I hope that they didn't understand what I was muttering as I stormed back out of the room, lunch uneaten.

149 Me to Rush: Welcome to the party, pal! Ladies and Gentlemorons, We are the new counterculture.

150 I homeschool certain subjects, Appleseed helps.

151 "129 @122 - I believe we call that "Point Made."" *shrug* There's more art in hip hop than you might think.

152 It's kind of odd because it seems that Romney won more whites than ever.  It's that the newly arrived replacementAmericans are highly democrat leaning.  Probably because Indians and Asians are plunked into high tech jobs with high paychecks without any appreciation for the struggles of the country, militarily or other history (except to be taught that america sucked in the past) and the NAM's who come in are instantly turned into obamaphoneladies.

so, that's a cultural problem. The replacement americans are - by design - ignorant of and distrustful of our culture.

153 Eh.  I went to a public inner city school, and had union type democrat parents to boot.  And like pretty much everyone else I was, at least to an extent, a liberal until I started working and earning a paycheck.  Then you know what happened?  I grew the fuck up, like most other conservatives.  The solution isn't pandering to the Jon Stewart fans, because there's no winning that battle.  And if we do, so what, many of them will grow up eventually anyway.  Unless, of course, they don't have to because they're being taken care of by Uncle Sugar.  And how do you turn THEM?  The "Obamapho" people?  I don't know if there is away other than take away their free shit.  But that's not happening unless we...LiB.

154 135 Matt from CO,

You could be raising the next gen of slaves.

No offense.

One of our bases had COs that clamped down on homeschooling and I caved.  I wish I had not. I do teach the lad history and econ though.

155 If Hollywood were really all about the money, then best sellers like Brad Thor and Vince Flynn would have already been translated to film by now.

75% tax on gross overseas movie receipts.

156 145 Exactly.

157 151 Whoredan,


there's more art in pss christ probably too...hey go find out.

158 "To be honest, after a day of sitting with these people, I wanted to cry. Because this is a medium sized city in the South. I can't imagine what it's like in Chicago, or NY, or Los Angeles. And I don't know what we can do about it. You can't converse with these people. They're not suddenly going to straighten up and fly right. The level of ignorance and violence is astounding. This is a cancer. Our cities are like tumors in the body of our country, and they're only growing larger."

The British conservative writer, Theodore Dalrymple, would instantly recognize the mindset you are describing. It is transnational. He worked as a prison doctor in the UK for decades and came to realize that the biggest factor in the creation of the feral underclass is cultural.

I like to point wavering liberals at Dalrymple's work, describing a world whose inhabitants are completely bereft of dignity or compassion or foresight or self-control, and say, "This is the end point of the society we have created in the last fifty years. Is that welcome? Is it desirable?"

159 Couple more thoughts: 1) Be nice. Be helpful. Lead by example. It's hard to hate and demonize people that are nice and helpful. I'm not talking about online with strangers. I mean with your friends and family. Even the left-wing ones. Mormons have been a despised minority most of their existence. But most people I know don't hate the Mormons -- even if we think their religion is nutso. Cause they tend to be nice, helpful, responsible people. And Mormonism keeps growing. 2) Have babies. Another lesson from the Mormons. Have babies. Then have another baby. The best way to make sure your values exist in the future is by fucking your way there. If one side is arguing and the other side is fucking, my long term bet is on the side that's fucking.

160 151 There's more art in hip hop than you might think. I'll throw up the "W" right alongside ya over that one. I don't know why George W. Bush and the Westside Connection didn't campaign together, sheesh.

161

When we cast votes in an election, we are not voting to change the culture. Rather, our voting is our culture given expression in the form of the political outcomes it has created.

 

'Bout time mother f'ers. I've been squealing about this for so long I've annoyed myself.  Thing is, there already great resources out there. The college kids who think Che and Leftism are cool? There plenty of  conservative academic watch groups out there, fighting the fight, booking speakers, etc. An untapped resource.

 

There are groups tracking Left-Wing extremists. How the  hell we let Billy Ayers become a respectable American is hard to fathom. But we  have to play the  Left's game and make their politcians prove they are not extreme, all the time.

 

And don't be afraid of Race. Jeremiah Wright is a racist lunatic, and Obama's church was essentially  part of a Black Seperatist Movement. Call them on it.

 

Think big.  Speak big. Keep it simple..."The Left was wrong about the most significant developments of the 20th century: the struggle against communist tyranny and the shift  from two-parent to single-parent homes."  They. Were. Wrong. Horrifically wrong.

 

We gave the Left a half-century head  start on this. Not going to be easy, and time  is not on our side, but we have no choice but to engage.  Get your head out of the tax code, and make your appeal before a presidential campaign

162 I'm not sure I totally agree with the whole idea that public schools can sway a kid whose parents do a good job educating/reinforcing them in the way the world works. Posted by: jakeman at November 16, 2012 02:59 PM (96M6e) Wouldn't you agree, though, that one would probably be spending more of your valuable time undoing what was learned in school?

163 150 jean,

I aim to help the boy plant some trees this winter.

Steel on target

164 Dennis Miller recently tweeted how it was amazing that the Woodstock Generation grew up to be Big Brother


think about it- the Democrats are now the Establishment they raged AGAINST in the 60s and 70s. They have the schools, the media, the culture... in my view, everything that is fucked up is on them.


We're the rebels.

165 When you mix a scoop of ice cream into a pint of shit, you haven't improved the shit but you have ruined the ice cream.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 16, 2012 03:01 PM (/kI1Q)

 

Consider that stolen.

166 Bah, was spelling my nick wrong.

167 Oh for the love of...


****

She just texted me again.

The argument is with a black pastor of a Baptist Church. He yelled at her that she IS NOT a Republican because she is pro-choice (forgive her, she is still young).

I now recall that this is the same man who argued that divorce is a sin, no matter what the reason, and that if a woman marries a man who beats her, well, she ignored the early signs and must live with the consequences.

Bless my girl for trying but she is clearly outmatched.

168 "I'm not going to sacrifice my kids' future to possibly help the culture."

Posted by: Matt from CO at November 16, 2012 02:59 PM (HdB1a)

 

 

 

Sorry, too late.

169 Europe has been lecturing us for years that we're too hung up on sex, we're fat, too religious, too violent, too fond of junk tv

Who's telling us this? A population of thumb suckers wandering around in a museum.

170 Posted by: Long-time Commenter, First-time Reader

Heh.  Nice nic.

171 There's more art in hip hop than you might think.

Straw man. Even if that was true, it does not change the fact that his fans range from "no interest in participating in our culture" to "actively despising our culture."

172 @144 - Actually, we already have the answer for that.  Look at what Mel Gibson did when he wanted to release Passion of the Christ, or how Hating Breitbart ended up getting released.

Alternative production companies exist.  We need to support them.  Let them buy up the rights to stuff from Brad Thor.  Let them buy up conservative leaning screen-plays.

Heck, as a double stick in Hollywood's eye, they can film completely in Texas and other right-to-work areas, and not use any union labor.

173 My very prophetic mother used to say, of such situations as the degeneration of our culture at large, "it all comes down to the least common denominator".

174 Ace, I look forward to the post because I am convinced that the only way forward is going to be by destroying the MFM and improving the lot of conservatives in popular culture. There is no rational reason that a complete bumbling fucking idiot like Barrack Obama with a 4 year record of abject failure should be able to be elected over a very capable man like Mitt Romney. That's just insane. The real reason is because Obama and his campaign lied through their teeth about who they are, what they did for 4 years, and what evils Romney would release on the country, and then those lies were validated by a corrupt media and amplified through popular culture. Its really that simple. And unless the entire economy burns to the ground, taking the culture and the media with it, the only way Democrats are going to get beat any time soon is going to be if some kind of Conservative Super-Star arrives on the scene. Problem is, I don't see the path to success here. It won't be by pulling 50% of the kids out of public schools.

175

Next to the Republicans, who has Barack and his minions been fighting? The Catholic Church. If you want a radical re-ordering of the culture, look at the teachings of the Catholic Church. Paul Ryan knows about subsidiarity. The papal encyclical, Revum Novarum, spoke to the the negative aspects of socialism. It was written in 1891.

 

176 134-Who says Obama and his minions can't try a failing strategy again?

177 I'm more libertarian than probably a lot of the posters here, but i have fun a dinner parties explaining why i don't think government should be administering education. instead of increasing funding for schools or teachers, we should be bulldozing the local elementary schools and funding students, not infrastructure and pensions. it's quite the turd in the punch bowl.

178

Jones in CO, exactly!!!

 

The same thing with V for Vengeance.

 

The leftists/statists ARE THE EVIL EMPIRE.

 

Small govt are always the rebels!!!!!

179 Consider that stolen.

I stole it from Mark Steyn.

180 >There's more art in hip hop than you might think.


sorry, no. If you have to explain to me why it's art, it isn't art.

181 hmmm.

Do battle with entrenched Stalinists to unfuck old culture

or

Start fresh.


what to choose?

182 It does seem to be possible to live immersed in a very demanding and distinctive Christian culture - like that of the Mennonites - while also somehow successfully dealing with the cultures and politics of widely different nation-states. Mennonites are all over North and South America, Africa and elsewhere. Living fairly quietly. So there has to be some kind of accommodation. And those nations are getting something from the Mennonites that allows them to be left alone. I don't know enough about it, but it shows that it can be done.

183 oops, Rerum Novarum

184 There's more art in hip hop than you might think.

Posted by: Jordan at November 16, 2012 03:02 PM (jRfn3)

"Rap critics that say he's 'Money Cash Hoes'
I'm from the hood stupid what type of facts are those"

Man, Michelangelo didn't sculpt things with such beauty. Brings a tear to my eye.

185

Human nature is to follow the strong horse. We need to act like the strong horse. Strong horse doesn't hide. And doesn't lash out like a bitchy girl.

Constant, daily, confident sharing of conservative ideas, jokes, and stories will go a long ways to rolling back the leftist tide.

__

There was guy from Allentown who called Rush before the election. He had started a network of conservative education, by starting with his own in-laws. It branched out to the community until 72 people were showing up at his confabs, where he discussed conservative ideas and what the MFM was hiding from them. He could not have initiated this effort if he was afraid or ashamed to be known as a conservative.

 

I see too many people IRL who get defensive when being questioned about being a Republican or even Libertarian. I enjoy being the different one, but that's because I've always had a contrary streak. Like the poster above said, we are now COUNTER-CULTURE.

186 164 You mean the Altamont Generation?

187

Flatbush Joe:

 

ABSOLUTELY!!!  Keep fucking people, babies are what matters.

 

This already has started to manifest itself in Israel.  The Orthodox are outbreeding the seculars at a vast, vast rate.

 

Bibi could be in power for a long time coming!

188 There's a Megan "pop culturally relevant" McCain  joke in here, but I can't bring myself to make one.

189 The culture determines the policy, not the other way around.

Which is what the founders intended, no? None of this Washington-promoted social engineering.

In other words there's nothing wrong with the Constitution, since the culture that wrote it was one of self-reliance, suspicion of power, etc.

190 There's more art in hip hop than you might think.



Damn strait! This is pure art baby, and it features Kanye! It's called N****s in Paris.



So I ball so hard muthafukkas wanna fine me
But first n****s gotta find me
What's 50 grand to a muthafukka like me
Can you please remind me
Ball so hard, this shit crazy
Ya'll Don't know that shit don't phase me
The Nets could go 0-82
and I look at this shit like its gravy.



That's art right there bitches.

191 but stupid people are nothing new...
Posted by: Jones in CO at November 16, 2012 02:56 PM (8sCoq)

But stupid people who never have to feel the consequences of their stupidity are.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 16, 2012 03:00 PM (4df7R)

Yes X 1000. Definition of a tipping point.

192 181 T Hunter,

Knowing that in some cases you are outnumbered literally 21,000 to none....??

That's right 108% TO with zero GOP votes.

Fuck 'em they seceded in 2001 or 1968 I am done kissing the corpse on reflex.

Run red.

193 "What a piece of work is man,


That muthafuckin ho is one


Fine ass bitch."

194

Alternative production companies exist. We need to support them. Let them buy up the rights to stuff from Brad Thor. Let them buy up conservative leaning screen-plays.

 

And then GO SEE THEM when they're released.  Bring friends.  Buy the DVDs.   Hell, buy a ticket even if you don't go see the film!   I did that when i couldn't get out to see 2016.      Money talks.

195 There's more art in hip hop than you might think.

And, again, I say: Point made.  I never said anything at all about the "art" in hip hop.  First off, no, there's really not.  I'm subjected to it from time to time and, just like all popular music, it's about sex, or protected little weenies trying to pretend to be big and bad.  Yawn.  Secondly, the fact is that hip hop, more than any other type of music, is decidedly leftist.  That's their target audience, after all.

196 Have babies. Another lesson from the Mormons. Have babies. Then have another baby.


If we can't get them out, we'll breed them out.

197 "Straw man. Even if that was true, it does not change the fact that his fans range from "no interest in participating in our culture" to "actively despising our culture."" Wake up. Jay-Z *is* your culture, whether you admit it or not. The sooner you, collectively, realize this, the more elections you will win.

198 Rush is right, but what do you do when the prevailing culture says that he's a racist, misogynist homophobe who insulted ALL women when he made his slut joke about a 30 year old law student who was demanding free birth control?

199 Back when Coulter was conservative, she wrote this about the religion of liberalism.

Evolution is its creation myth, public school teachers its high priests, victims its saints, and abortion its sacrament.

Nothing new about their world view except they are the majority now.

Let it burn.

200 187 Prescient 11,

I said we need to make more babies and we need privately to get it out that conservative families who are past having their own help make sure the Red clan takes care of theirs.

Be an honorary aunt or uncle...I do.

201 >>Wouldn't you agree, though, that one would probably be spending more of your valuable time undoing what was learned in school? My point is that we don't have to undo anything in our household. Like Rob said at 146, we've taught our kids *how* to think, which allows them to weigh the input and decide whether it's B.S. or not, and they'll ask us if they're unsure. And for the record, my son's favorite teacher is a former Marine teaching history--and openly right-wing. So, there are some good eggs out there...they're just outnumbered.

202 Voters for Akin and Mourdock aren't as big of scumbags as the people who voted for "Pockets" Tierney and "Liewatha" Warren.

...I voted for Mourdock. Control of the Senate/repealing Obamacare is more important than making women feel good about killing their babies.

So now I'm a scumbag?

203 I am the finest teacher this world has ever seen.

204

Sven,

 

I really just try to impregnate all the fine ladies on conservative blogs!!  hahaha.

 

Just like solomon....  Big huge families.  liberalism is an ideology that worships decay, death and dependence.

205 197 Whoredan,


Fuck you he's YOUR culture just like the giggling transcript hiding Fuckhead at 1600 Penn moron.

I am not your pet nor your enforced brother and keep it the fuck up not your countryman.

The founding trumps snoppy dogg or you can go fuck yourself.

206 Jay-Z *is* your culture, whether you admit it or not.

If you don't fuck off, Ima gon snatch yo weev rite off yo hed.

207 Lesson 1: Math

208 sorry, no. If you have to explain to me why it's art, it isn't art.

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 16, 2012 03:06 PM (8sCoq) 

What about this big levitating rock over here?

209 The first question we need to ask ourselves is what we really stand for. For me, the answer is the high water mark of western thought... We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights... Such a statement requires a benevolent God as the originator of such rights, and the efforts of the Left to demonize religion have been tremendously effective in knocking down one of the underpinnings of our society. It has been replaced by a Wilsonian perspective that says that rights do not simply exist as as the law of nature and nature's God, but exist at the sufferance of the government, subservient to the will of the Almighty State. This must be opposed or the rest will fall down regardless.

210 204 Prescient,

they are a fucking Malthusian Death Cult of slavemasters.

211 > I am the finest teacher this world has ever seen.

Posted by: PAIN at November 16, 2012 03:11 PM (zpqa2)

wait til the day I sub for you

212 There's more art in hip hop than you might think.
Posted by: Jordan at November 16, 2012 03:02 PM

Then tell us how every NBA draft choice cuts a rap album before he shows up at his first practice?

As Rudy Giuliani once said; "if it's something I could do, it's not art"

213 Wake up. Jay-Z *is* your culture, whether you admit it or not. The sooner you, collectively, realize this, the more elections you will win.

If Jay-Z is our culture, you're in bigger shit than you realize.

214 Wake up. Jay-Z *is* your culture, whether you admit it or not. The sooner you, collectively, realize this, the more elections you will win.

Posted by: Jordan at November 16, 2012 03:10 PM (jRfn3)

 

If    I have to embrace Jay-Z as a totem of my culture in order to win elections, then fuck that.  Let it burn.

215

There's more art in hip hop than you might think.


__

Yes, I especially appreciate the subtlety and nuance of Ice Cube rapping:

 

'KICK THE BITCH IN THE TUMMY"

 

as a solution to a ho's unwanted pregnancy.

216 197 Jay-Z *is* your culture There you go referencing the current situation, and not what we'd like the current situation to be again. We conservatives deny that simple fact at our own peril. This is not a case of "Repeal", there must be a "Replace". And we're not switching everyone over to country. Yeah, as fucked up as it is, that pretty much means we need to invest in some Republican rappers.

217 Reminds of that British version of Friends I think it was called Coupling
"Come the Revolution"
"What Revolution? You're in power!"

218 >What about this big levitating rock over here?

Posted by: somebody else, not me at November 16, 2012 03:12 PM (nZvGM)

yeah what a scam that was

219
211 >
I am the finest teacher this world has ever seen.


Posted by: PAIN at November 16, 2012 03:11 PM (zpqa2)

---------------------

wait til the day I sub for you

Posted by: SMOD at November 16, 2012 03:13 PM (8sCoq)

Children, sit down. Class is now in session.

220 The long, hard slog:

A) We, the People of the United States, desperately need the restoration of Critical Thinking - classical philosophy and the study of  rhetoric
B)  The study of rhetoric is necessary for both defense (inoculation against leftist cant)  and offense
C) What we have now in our public educational institutions is propaganda.  Critical thinking is ignored, at best, and punished at worst.  Questioning leftist appeals to authority and appeals to "justice" is identified as social treason.  Or a social disease.
D)  Reform of our educational systems will be hard.  It wasn't easy for Socrates, either.
E)  God Bless VDH.

221 @197   Jordan -

"collectively"


Cut. Jib.Newsletter.

222

Seriously guys, important question.

 

Is Alexthechick really a chick??

 

Chicks that are raised up in an evangelical background but are now worldly are crazies in bed, fwiw.  Not that i know or anything....

 

Use that to your advantage!

223 211
>

I am the finest teacher this world has ever seen.




Posted by: PAIN at November 16, 2012 03:11 PM (zpqa2)

---------------------

wait til the day I sub for you


Posted by: SMOD at November 16, 2012 03:13 PM (8sCoq)

Children, sit down. Class is now in session.

Posted by: Reality at November 16, 2012 03:14 PM (da5Wo)

Fuck you all!  Everyone gets an A!!!  CLASS DISMISSED!!!!

224 216 RobMcNeece,

Nope I'll make a new country first.

Fuck them.

There is no intellect, no restraint, and no deference to the idea of inherent rights trumping greed and deference to power.

Frankly I know I'd rather die.

225 I worry about shit. I see that my neighbors chimney collapsed onto his roof, then to the ground, and I check mine, and do some inexpensive maintenance. I have a storm role through with 70-80 mile an hour winds and I check the shingles on my roof, and sure enough I had to do some repairs. Siding, same deal. This was a couple hours of my day, today. I don't think I'm smart. But then again, I've seen people who I thought were smarter go nowhere with their lives. I worry that my brain may be decaying with age. So I go to an online IQ test. Easy, peasy, what looks closest to a circle with some part of it filled in when you look at a square or another circle basically flipped in the opposite direction? Repeat test with different questions. Go to result, nice number but what the hell does it mean? Go to another web site and find out that the statistical probability of another person getting as many questions correct as what I did is 1 out of 10,000. All I did was recognize patterns. Therein lies the problem, perhaps. Most of us see the patterns, worry about stuff, try to fix it before it becomes broke. The patterns are easy to see and recognize. But we are the 1 out of 10,000. The only answer I see, and have maybe touched on in the past week, is that we have to massively 'dumb down' the message. If the 'new' 30 is now 40, then that massive bloc of voters between 18 and 30 has to be looked at as 8 to 20 year olds. Not very intelligent, limited ability to stay on task for any length of time, easily bored. We either can adapt or die a continual drip, drip of loss of support at the polls. Our message does not resonate, our urgency is not conveyed properly, we are perhaps not properly editing so that mere milliseconds of content appear before flipping to another view from another angle to retain the attention of those who have become accustomed to such treatment to retain their limited ability to focus. But we can win, and must not stop the self-examination because the price to not perform such maintenance is just as high as my neighbor, whose chimney tumbled to the ground.

226 If I have to embrace Jay-Z as a totem of my culture in order to win elections, then fuck that. Let it burn.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 16, 2012 03:13 PM (4df7R)

Then make your own Jay-Z, and I'm being serious. They sure as hell didn't care about making him as a useful idiot.

227 'KICK THE BITCH IN THE TUMMY"

...and *I'm* the scumbag in our society.

I've got a shit-ton of empty beer bottles and cotton rags, whose got some gasoline?

228 If conservatives don't have an equal voice where it matters the most - you know, on the iPods of GenerationFucked, then we're all fucked.

229 I knew some hard-core leftists in college. And their old saying works: Early to bed, Early to rise. Work like hell and organize!

230 If Jay-Z is our culture I am now officially announcing my movement from the half joking "Let It Burn" party to the full on, SMOD come now "Let It Burn" party.

231 Tell me Shuck and Jive are not art.

232 Wake up. Jay-Z *is* your culture, whether you admit it or not. The sooner you, collectively, realize this, the more elections you will win.
Posted by: Jordan at November 16, 2012 03:10 PM

Jay-Z is the culture of the Obamaphone crowd. Nobody goes humming his songs at work

Unfortunately, Katy the Musical Boobs Perry is the culture now

233

Heck, as a double stick in Hollywood's eye, they can film completely in Texas and other right-to-work areas, and not use any union labor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 03:05 PM (8y9M

---------- This

234 Is Alexthechick really a chick??

The nice thing about picking your own nic is that certain information is hidden unless you reveal it yourself.

235

Jay *Z* is my culture?? WTF.....so I should embrace the thugish, racist, boorish crap he and his imbecillie wife put out?

If that's "culture", then hell, let that baby burn......

236 Yoko Ono recently exhibited her 'art'. One of the pieces was 3 piles of dirt on the floor.

http://tinyurl.com/cu5w3gb

237 Isolating yourself from pop culture and the media is not going to help. You guys get that, right ? We do not likely represent even 50% of the public, so to win, we need to influence OTHERS, not further concentrate ourselves. Conservatives need to change the culture, not ignore it. That only works for those who already believe the message. It certainly isn't going to help take the message to a bigger audience.

238 I've got a shit-ton of empty beer bottles and cotton rags, whose got some gasoline?

AtC was wandering around with some cans of kerosene earlier.

239 226 regular Moron,

Maybe or maybe the answer is to move on to a new address and build a town of 30 year olds who are you know 30?

I have deferred to "America" nonstop but the "America" they keep telling me is "us now" is not worthy the name and will not maintain the fuel for my oaths.

240 >>>conservative families who are past having their own help make sure Adoption also an option. Show the lefts unwanted children the love of family. And teach them values of freedom and self reliance.

241 Jay-Z isn't "art", he's a noise maker who's a good cash cow for the recording industry

Even my lefty brother and sister detest rap & hip hop music

242 How many cultures are there in America? It's not fucking yogurt. Pop culture just "is". And it is what it is. I'm a real big Slayer fan, and I can't find any value in anything Andy Warhol ever did...guess what? The country doesn't give a fuck. I'm not on their iWhatever playlist.

243 238 If you buy her greatest hits cd the box is empty.

244 As to the media part of the culture wars, there's a damned good reason why the leftist MFM fucking HATES BitTorrent, and it has little to do with intellectual property rights.

245 SOCONS WILL BE THE DEATH OF THE GOP!!!!!

246 Rush is right, but what do you do when the prevailing culture says that he's a racist, misogynist homophobe who insulted ALL women when he made his slut joke about a 30 year old law student who was demanding free birth control?

Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 03:10 PM (wwsoB)

 

By laughing at them!     We always say mockery and derision are the best ways to aggravate a regressive;   well    the same holds true for undermining their messages.    When someone says, "That big meanie Rush Limbaugh called Sandra Fluke a slut!"  just laugh.   And if they push back, tell them, "Well, come on.   She's a grown woman who wants other people to pay for her     sex life.    What do YOU call it?   And isn't being called a slut supposed to be a good thing now?   If not, what's with all those Slut Walks?"   And shrug it off with more laughter.  

 

Even if you don't get through to the idiot making the comment, someone around you may hear that and say, "You know, s/he's right."    You have to put the bug in people's ears to make them understand it's okay to    have a    different opinion,    and taht calling something stupid       is our right and privilege.

247 WE MUST TAKE BACK THE SCHOOLS. School board elections to start.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 16, 2012 02:42 PM (XkWWK)

Did someone mention this already? You'd better get the colleges that teach the teachers too, or NOTHING CHANGES.  The catholic and private schools are populated by teachers that got indoctrinated at the same School of Education the public teachers got edjumacated in.  Marxism teaches the teachers.

248 237 deadrody,


Yeah really?

//Orthodox jews, Amerinds, etc etc etc

Nope if "fitting in to change" means I go left I am done moving unless it is to MOVE

249 Simple example of culture. Kid Rock apparently has become the go-to Republican rockstar. He is, or used to be, a proud druggie. I assume a giant poon-hound. Kid Rock stood the fuck up and sang in ads and rallies for Romney. Buy his shit. Watch his youtube videos on his official youtube channel. Politics 101: Reward your friends. Punish your enemies.

250 Prescient and Flatbush I read a WSJ article a couple years ago written by 2 depressed liberals who studied conservative vs lib demographic trends for the future. Their conclusion which I'm sure made them cry was that only conservatives are having 3+ children. Liberals have 0, 1, or 2 and are having abortions. So somewhere down the road we will outnumber them if we can survive till then.

251 While you guys are stating things like, 'no shit,' and 'pass the bong,' people under 30 are consistently stating that they have a more favorable opinion of socialism than capitalism. Your kids think this. Not all of them, but a good portion.

252 I think some of this is our own damn fault, myself included. Far too often in my life I have heard "well you have to admit" followed by some total horse-shit. And I did not vigorously refute it. For example.. Well you have to admit, republicans are racist... Well you have to admit, republicans dont care about poor peopl etc etc. I used to just roll my eyes at this, but I think we have to start challenging people on these lies and engaging them a bit.

253 >>Jay-Z is the culture of the Obamaphone crowd. Nobody goes humming his >>songs at work

Yeah, but every clueless white boy in a pickup truck that I pull up next to at a red light is listening to such. IN WEST TEXAS.  WTF????

I feel like one of the crew cut-ted white men in Mississippi calling out Elvis for singing 'Negro' music.

254 I have ordered "A Man for All Season" on Netflix.

For some reason I felt the need to watch a film about a staunch Catholic persecuted by an all-powerful government.

255 250 Kid Rock apparently has become the go-to Republican rockstar. He is, or used to be, a proud druggie. I assume a giant poon-hound. FML, I liked his music *back then*.

256 I'm less worried about rap than I am about lefties infiltrating the country music genre

Sheryl Crow and Jason Mraz are two, then I've read that not only Faith Hill and Tim McGraw are lefties, but so is Lady Antebellum

257 Their conclusion which I'm sure made them cry was that only conservatives are having 3+ children. Liberals have 0, 1, or 2 and are having abortions. So somewhere down the road we will outnumber them if we can survive till then.

Hola!

258 "So somewhere down the road we will outnumber them if we can survive till then."

Amnesty and open borders ring a bell?

259 >>The catholic and private schools are populated by teachers that got indoctrinated at the same School of Education the public teachers got edjumacated in. Ditto the media. It's almost--almost--as if these folks go into these lines of work for a purpose.

260 I said this before, a few days ago: this is not a fight we can win by blogging and homeschooling. Winning the blog comments battle doesn't shift the culture an inch. We have to actually fight: destroy the evil shits who have been tearing down our civilization for half a century. I proposed hiring investigators to dig up every milligram of dirt on these scumbags, then leak it out to destroy them. I still think that's the most effective option. Jon Stewart is a liberal asshole? Fine -- dig up that statutory rape conviction from when he was in college, or find out who his dealer is and shop them both to the DEA. Remember, these liberal shits are horrible people, one and all. They hate America so much because they assume everyone is as horrible as they are. They all have skeletons in the closet; some of them may have skeletons in the crawlspace, too. The conservative media are useless. They're like our team's cheering squad. Nobody but our side listens to them. Liberals just dismiss conservative media as biased and "lying liars who tell lies." This needs to be like Anonymous: a faceless enemy who can't be demonized and attacked. Ideally the liberals will never notice it's even going on. I'm willing to put some of my own time and money into this, if anyone else is up for it.

261

Up Next : An essay from ace.

How lucky are we?

262 "Faith Hill and Tim McGraw are lefties"

Awesome, another reason to hate them in addition to their shitty pop-infused, whiny music.

263
239 I've got a shit-ton of empty beer bottles and cotton rags, whose got some gasoline?

AtC was wandering around with some cans of kerosene earlier.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 03:18 PM (8y9MW)

That fam business I work for? Commercial painting. Are you familiar with Mineral Spirits? 

264 BTW, Jay-Z made some statements during the campaign that seemed quite in line with the Romney campaign.

If Romney was running against a white guy, Jay-Z may have secretly pulled the ballot for R-Money.

265 Then we had Taylor Swift dating one of the Kennedy demon spawn. I think she dumped him, but how long before she stops singing about breakups and starts singing Occupooper shit like Miley Cyrus

266 Up Next : An essay from ace.
How lucky are we?

With any luck, it'll be another London Boys pic.

267 "259 "So somewhere down the road we will outnumber them if we can survive till then." Amnesty and open borders ring a bell?" Nobody migrates to a hell hole.

268 That only works for those who already believe the message. It certainly isn't going to help take the message to a bigger audience.

Posted by: deadrody at November 16, 2012 03:18 PM (aT8Zk)

 

 

---------------- What if we are the only audience?

269 Is there enough room left on the internet for another movie review?

270 ~ tap tap tap tap tap ~ Hello, It is I, Hadji, the Cultural Warrior Poet/Comic of Islam. Hadji is a double threat. Triple threat, if you include IEDs. Like this one. Hadji is here to make you of the Right laugh with the joy of sounds like when you were young. So, be ready to make the hah-hah: What is the difference between Rush Limbaugh and California? Rush Limbaugh spends less than he earns and plans for the future. Thank You Thank You Thank You! Hadji must go be a warrior at the other places on the Right in need of a chuckle. Remember, tip your waitresses. _

271 Somebody, some day, is going to have to explain that whole Kanye thing to me.

I mean, he is SERIOUSLY untalented.

While I may not agree with the subject of the lyrics or the politics of all of his ilk, at least there is, arguably, some talent in the pool, even if misapplied.

Compare the skill with words of  Eminem to Kanye.

Eminem, what a waste of talent.

272 Be open and proud. Put that bumper sticker on your car. Might some left-wing asshole key your car? Yeah, they might. Pretty small price to pay. We say we are fighting for our country. But we don't act like it.

273 jazy is not our culture where do we get these people?

274

62 Whether Limbaugh gets it or not he is making the argument for a Red diaspora at a minimum and perhaps break up.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 02:47 PM (LRFds)

yep. each dividing line is just that.  How long till the divide is final??

 

80 Sven, another "radical" idea (literally). What if somehow, conservatives migrated back into blue states to tip the electorate our way?

It would cost a huge amount of money and the illegal aliens have to be accounted for, but that would be intriguing. Get the Kochs to pay for every conservative family's mortgage who does this.

 

...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 16, 2012 02:50 PM (XkWWK)

 

Not to knock you, but I'm having difficulty w/ this.

 

How is a free move different than free birth control?

 

either way, someone else is paying.

275 Do you like fishsticks?

276 I mentioned this in a previous post, but I'll say it again. The Adelsons, Kochs, Trumps or whoever need to spend less money on Rovian super pacs and more on independent subscription based tv networks of the model employed by the Blaze. Channels that show up on TV through services like Dish, or Roku or Hulu or whatever. The old MSM gatekeeper paradigm is dying quickly and this is how TV will be accessed in the very near future (and already is for many) These new networks shouldn't have political names at all. No Liberty TV or anything. Just call these channels whatever generic name du jour. Then employ people with a clue to man or develop programming. Gutfeld, Sinise, Eastwood, Ace!...Full production value Dramas, Comedies, Children's programming, and yes, a news division. But not a decrepit old guard "Scheiffer" model, but an idealistic and youthful blogger-ish one. Think of 60 minutes meets Project Veritas. Whittle as Wallace. It would be a little slow going until the breakthrough...Like Monica was for Drudge, or in entertainment terms, like The Simpsons was for Fox. Once that happens, EVERYTHING changes. The culture is no longer owned lock stock and barrel by these cretins. I think conservatives would gladly cancel cable (paying people like Mathews and Maher's to insult them) and instead buy subscriptions to networks producing (or licensing) quality programming (edgy and otherwise) that support their values.

277 258 Illegal immigrants,


si....

gringos have to be fucking retards not to see that...

it is also why the try to brainwash our kids 40 hours a week.

278 "If I have to embrace Jay-Z as a totem of my culture in order to win elections, then fuck that. Let it burn. " "Shawn Corey Carter [Jay-Z] epitomizes the essence of the American entrepreneurial spirit." -Steve Forbes, GOP Presidential candidate. Forbes, an outspoken admirer of Jay-Z ranks him, along with Gates, Jobs and Buffett as the most extraordinary entrepreneurs of our era, an inspiration and a challenge to the rest of us. Don't be so dismissive, either of the man's art, nor of his "culture" of business excellence.

279 we have a culture that says a hack lobbyist from a failed government loan program can be the National Security Advisor I bet Donilon took it out all references to Al Qaeda, at request of the JEF I'll reckon Donilon's wiki - He worked as Executive Vice President for Law and Policy at Fannie Mae, the federally-chartered mortgage finance company, as a registered lobbyist from 1999 through 2005.[3][7] Before his appointment to the Obama Administration, Donilon was a partner in the Washington office of the law firm O'Melveny & Myers, where he advised companies and their boards on a range of "sensitive governance, policy, legal and regulatory matters".[8] [edit] perfect

280 Sheryl Crow and Jason Mraz are two, then I've read that not only Faith Hill and Tim McGraw are lefties, but so is Lady Antebellum

I would argue that Sheryl Crow and Jason Mraz are hardly Country musicians.  But, yes, there are more than a few liberals in the halls of Country Music.  Have you listened to Country music?   It's got all the same themes as pop-rock, except that every so often they'll throw a "patriotic" song in there because it sells records.

And, again, this is the problem.  Somebody linked Madison Rising's version of the Star Spangled Banner in the side-bar a month or two ago.  How many of us bought their CD?  (Note: I haven't, because I'm hoping to get it for X-Mas.  If  I don't, I'll but it then).

281 Sigh.

*buy* it then.

282 Posted by: Jordan at November 16, 2012 03:24 PM

Hi Jordan. Is the Texas Legislature still in session?

283 What is a "dedicated tenther" ??

284

There was an anti-gangsta rap movement in the Black community, one of the notables was the late C. Delores Tucker who worked tirelessly to expose the misogyny and moral hazard  inherent in that genre.

 

For her efforts to stand against the tide of depravity infecting her community, she received this as a tribute (among others):

C. Delores Tucker you's a motherfucker / Instead of trying to help a ni**a you destroy a brother". *tupac shakur

 

Tucker was a leader in the civil rights movement, marched with Dr. King and did considerable fundraising for the NAACP. But all she had done to promote the cause of her people went swirling down the drain because she opposed the late 20c "art form" known as gangsta rap.

285 If Romney was running against a white guy, Jay-Z may have secretly pulled the ballot for R-Money.

Posted by: The Q at November 16, 2012 03:22 PM (w4fEE)

 

No, never.  Leftists will spout talking points that come straight out of a Ronald Reagan speech, and they'll claim it's THEIR side that    will uphold and instill those values.    They are too fucking stupid to     believe otherwise.   

 

Jay-Z would pull the lever for      zombie!Hitler     if     zombie!Hitler ran as a Democrat.

286 280 I'm dismissing anyone who asks me to refer to him as a letter of the alphabet.

287 Then we had Taylor Swift dating one of the Kennedy demon spawn. I think she dumped him, but how long before she stops singing about breakups and starts singing Occupooper shit like Miley Cyrus

Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 03:23 PM (wwsoB)

Money insulates a lot of pop stars from hard economic facts, it's easier to be a liberal when money is just thrown at you and you don't have to worry about paying 10,000 workers. I think that's why you see a lot of these Hollywood types becoming liberal as they go along, and then many, not all, come back to conservatism later in life after all their success. Explains why we have a lot of support from famous people who are past their prime. Plus Taylor Swift is down right crazy, who the hell would date her, she'll just cling to you till she's done then right a song about how small your dick is.

288 272 "Somebody, some day, is going to have to explain that whole Kanye thing to me."

Kanye was a damn good producer who used to take old music and twist it around into new contexts for good rappers like Jay-Z to rap over.

Somewhere along the line, Kanye got the disastrous idea to step out of the producing booth and start rapping his own songs. And the youth of America supported him in it.

Which is why the youth of America sucks

289 280 Whoredan,


again fuck you he raps....I learned to blow up tanks for America....

I shit bigger than him.

290 You don't have to embrace Jay Z. Fuck Jay Z. I won't give a dime to an Obama-fucker like him. Punish your enemies. Reward your friends. Carrot and stick.

291 285 I think that is a reference to one of those constitutional thingees.

292 Cute how Jordan thinks tying stuff we object to, to the GOP will piss us off.

293 290 TheQ,


culture is not evidence of where we're fucked it is evidence of how fucked our kids are.

294 AtC was wandering around with some cans of kerosene earlier. Huh. I was wondering why my supplies of incendiaries seemed low. Just hope we aren't picking the same targets...

295 Just in...

Judge denies West's request St. Lucie recount

296

Forbes, an outspoken admirer of Jay-Z ranks him, along with Gates, Jobs and Buffett as the most extraordinary entrepreneurs of our era, an inspiration and a challenge to the rest of us. Don't be so dismissive, either of the man's art, nor of his "culture" of business excellence.

 

Business excellence and entrepreneurism have nothign to do with it.   His "art" is misogynistic crap.   And yes, I've listened to it.  I enjoy it now and then.  But I'd never call it "art," nor would I ever consider   it an integral part of my culture.

 

I applaud his entrepreneurism.   I deride      his idiot fans who treat his violent, hateful messages    like gospel.  

297 OK, I Googled it. >>


What is a "Tenther" dedicated or otherwise? A Tenther is someone who believes in and advocates for the 10th Amendment. We believe Federal Overreach is not only bad from a Conservative standpoint, but actually unconstitutional, based on the 10th Amendment.

298

Posted by: Jordan at November 16, 2012 03:24 PM (jRfn3)

You know who else was a fabulous entrepreneur? Joe Francis.

299 "Judge denies West's request St. Lucie recount"

This, of course, is NOT racist.

300 297 NDH,

Yup....

I figured...

Run Red tilt the fuckers back....

it collapses Run Red and maybe we can leave them in their filth even if the divorce never happens or ideally leave them.

301
We have to actually fight: destroy the evil shits who have been tearing down our civilization for half a century.

I proposed hiring investigators to dig up every milligram of dirt on these scumbags, then leak it out to destroy them. I still think that's the most effective option. Jon Stewart is a liberal asshole? Fine -- dig up that statutory rape conviction from when he was in college, or find out who his dealer is and shop them both to the DEA.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 16, 2012 03:22 PM (3TVHI)









Operation Pipewrench!

*sigh*

302 "Somebody, some day, is going to have to explain that whole Kanye thing to me. I mean, he is SERIOUSLY untalented." Just my $.02, but I think what shines about Kanye is the beats. He's witty, to be sure, but not especially talented on the mic. Arguably, he did his best work with Jay-Z. "Diamonds from Sierra Leone" is epic.

303 I've long said that the key is to take back the schools, but after the election, I thought that that was now impossible. However, someone has suggested an interesting idea; an alternative parallel school system. It could be funded by people like the Kochs, Adelson, etc. There IS a parallel school system. It's called home schooling and it's getting bigger every year. I've been homeschooling my three for 13 years. My oldest just voted. We live in North Texas and it has exploded here. For now, we're under the radar, but please know that there's an army of critically thinking, moral, conservative young adults on the horizon. May their tribe increase!

304 I can talk fast.  I didn't know that was art though.  I don't usually talk about bitches, hos, drugs, killing gangstas or cops though, so maybe I'm doing it wrong.

305 I'm all for being part of the culture. But kids are malleable. I'm not going to subject them to that rot until they're ready for it. School board elections and textbook changes aren't going to change a thing. The public school system is designed, from the ground up, to lay the foundation for a socialist state. Go back and read John Dewey. He was an atheist who saw the state as god, and saw the necessity to get kids away from their parents to accomplish it. A lot of parents with kids in public schools kid themselves that their kids are not being influenced but most of them are. And they're influenced more by the other kids there than they are even by the teachers. Get them out, or forget it. And a few normal responsible kids in school are not going to influence anything. They're just going to get treated like crap. Kids are natural sheep, followers. They're going to follow their teachers, follow their peers. A couple of counterexamples are nothing compared to the power of the herd. So train your kids for adulthood, don't throw them to the wolves for the sake of your own convenience and take the long view. This game is rigged against us- has been for a century. The only way to win is not to play.

306 Forbes, an outspoken admirer of Jay-Z ranks him, along with Gates, Jobs and Buffett as the most extraordinary entrepreneurs of our era, an inspiration and a challenge to the rest of us. Don't be so dismissive, either of the man's art, nor of his "culture" of business excellence.

He has better business sense than "art".

307 Han: "They're not going to get me without a fight." Obi-Wan: "You can't win. But there are alternatives to fighting." (i.e. Let it Burn)

308 So our troll is a Jay-Z fan

I didn't think I had any more respect to lose for him, but he managed to dig further down

309

Money insulates a lot of pop stars from hard economic facts, it's easier to be a liberal when money is just thrown at you and you don't have to worry about paying 10,000 workers

 

I'm not condoning this, mind you, but BitTorrent...

310 funny the ones jordan likes have been in trouble with the law......not my culture....thanks anyway jordan

311

Jay-Z?  Sorry, can't even name a single song...

Kanye West?  If it wasn't for South Park, nobody would know who the hell that was...

Now, R. Kelly's 'Trapped in the Closet'?  That  is the greatest song, ever.

312 Cultural outreach. At your job, church, hobbies. With friends and families. Don't hide what you believe. Don't be a dick about it either. Just be confident.

313 Racist Judge denies black man's demands for a recount.

314 Also don't throw away money on diocesan controlled catholic schools. They are run by pro choice eco-loving socialists disguised as Catholics.

315


The Universities are worse than any of you know...

It's where this whole fucking mess starts.

316 What is a "dedicated tenther" ??

It's my personal "F You" to the media.  Some MFM tool tried to make fun of those of us who believe in Federalism (and, especially, the 9th and 10th Amendments) as "Tenthers." 

I stole the term.

317

Has anyone been to dancentinello dot com?

 

This is the guy who ran the Orca program for Romney.  They link to the AoSHQ story along with others.

318 He likes to put fishsticks in his mouth.

319 Also don't throw away money on diocesan controlled catholic schools. They are run by pro choice eco-loving socialists disguised as Catholics.  Posted by: just L at November 16, 2012 03:30 PM (0PiQ4)

Ahhhhh, not so fast.

It depends on your Diocese. 

320 Culture starts with family, ace.  That is why the left has been so hard at work for the last 40-50 years to destroy the normal nuclear family.  Family removes the need for a kid to be raised by TV or twitter.  A kid with decent nuclear family will grow up more secure, and will not need the society - the uneducated mob, or government to act a surrogates.  That person is freer and more independent.  That person does not need a socialist utopia to chase away the complexes they developed as a child.

321 "Shawn Corey Carter [Jay-Z] epitomizes the essence of the American entrepreneurial spirit." -Steve Forbes, GOP Presidential candidate.

Forbes, an outspoken admirer of Jay-Z ranks him, along with Gates, Jobs and Buffett as the most extraordinary entrepreneurs of our era, an inspiration and a challenge to the rest of us. Don't be so dismissive, either of the man's art, nor of his "culture" of business excellence.


****

Yeah, Jay-Z is one hellyva a capitalist machine.

That doesn't make him talented.

Just think of how many Pauly Shore movies were produced.

322 “Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet you can't win.” ― Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love

323 haha garrett i don't think i ever finished that r kelly you tube serial....i was calling the next scene after the first one...pathetic....

324 Maybe (just maybe) - if one's target market for conservative rap music was different than the target market for gangsta rap, a conservative rapper might come up with slightly different lyrics. If chicks can dance to it, who's listening to the fucking words to begin with?

325 What is a "Tenther" dedicated or otherwise? A Tenther is someone who believes in and advocates for the 10th Amendment. We believe Federal Overreach is not only bad from a Conservative standpoint, but actually unconstitutional, based on the 10th Amendment.

Hmmm.. that sounds familiar.  Maybe I read it on a blog somewhere...

326 John E coming up on Dana Loesch's radio show:

http://www.971talk.com/dana/

327 303 ITC,

Or the more diversified project Wideawake I was wanting to do...had a DC friend explain to me Pipewrench or Wideawake will get your ass targeted harder than AQ in a flash.

328 Search Shuck and Jive on You Tube.

329 did ace ever write an rkelly trapped in the closet review......

330 Racist Judge denies black man's demands for a recount.

Posted by: Butters at November 16, 2012 03:30 PM (NIZHJ)

It's still as hot here as ever!

331 fuck mutha fuck

Really artsy. Mozart must be seething with envy

332 Well, yeah. I've known this for a while now. And this is why we are fucked. The Left controls the media - and I don't just mean the news media. They control the entertainment media that literally everyone consumes, including the politically apathetic/clueless. Unless billionaire conservatives simply buy up all the major entertainment companies (TV, movies, magazines, etc.) and alter them so that they spew out conservative agitprop rather than Marxist agitprop, we are pretty much doomed. Constitutional conservatism, traditional Christian values, and the free market all began dying in this country at the same exact time that the mass media became ubiquitous in the lives of every American.

333 316: Not in my area, they aren't. There would be hell to pay if they were.

334 You must not weeze the juice.

335 Has Eminem written lyrics for anyone outside of the rap world?

336

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 16, 2012 03:26 PM (4h0z0)

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lol

 

don't know about the TX legislature, but Jordan's also the one who came here and ranted about the high cost of obtaining a Voter ID in PA.

 

337

I swear a lot,    especially in writing.       But     I don't call enough women "cunts."    Guess that's why it's not art when I write it.

338 309 JSD,

Yup....run red blow on the fire.

339

Tim McGraw is a fake cowboy country singer who was a frat boy who had his daddy get him into a recording studio with another person's song writing.

 

I'll give him credit for building his brand but he is as manufactured as the Back Street Boys.

340 313

There's apparently another 25 more chapters of "Trapped in the Closet" coming out later this year or early next year.

341 Forbes, an outspoken admirer of Jay-Z ranks him, along with Gates, Jobs and Buffett as the most extraordinary entrepreneurs of our era, an inspiration and a challenge to the rest of us. Don't be so dismissive, either of the man's art, nor of his "culture" of business excellence.

Posted by: Jordan at November 16, 2012 03:24 PM (jRfn3)

The problem with is Jay-Z is that he admitted he supports the scoamf strictly on race. Never mind the fact that the scoamf is wagging a class war on the 1% which Jay-Z is a part of.

342

I don't agree with ace or rush. It's politics. Until we have politicians that will call out the left and the media on a daily basis for their lies and distortrions you can't blame the public for believing what they beleive.

 

 

Take the coming so called fiscal cliff. For 9 frigging years the media and the democrats have been calling the Bush tax cuts, Tax Cuts for the Rich!!! and the tax cuts caused the deficit.

 

 

Now all of a sudden they are saying , "hey you know if those Bush tax cuts expire it's really going to hurt the poor and middle class and cause a recission!!!!"

 

 

Now how come our guys weren't pounding that into people heads for 9 frigging years I don't know, but they didn't. So it's politics not culture. We had 9 years to point out what a good deal the Bush tax cuts were for the middle class and the economy and didn't do it. Our guys just sat in their leather chairs and let the left and the media blame the Bush tax cuts for everything from the great recesssion to swine flu.

343 Allen has a blog?

344 The answer is not to attack, prevent, or  denigrate the existing cultural influences, but to contribute our own, and in a big way.

The Big culture influencers don't set out to push their beliefs/values/politics, they just bring them along when they produce a work.

We shouldn't set out to contribute to the culture in order to change minds and hearts. We should just produce works/art that we like and bring along our own values.

345

Hey, you want to start making an impression on the culture?   You just got a big door opened.

 

"Fuck the unions!  Give me Twinkies!"

346 170 Posted by: Long-time Commenter, First-time Reader
Heh. Nice nic.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 16, 2012 03:05 PM (QKKT0) Hide posts from (QKKT0)

Thanks. Breitbart-inspired, naturally.

347 To change the "Culture" one needs to insert new words, cliches etc into Pop culture and its subcultures. Ezekiel 25:17 was cool until the kiddies started watching Pulp Fiction and everyone knew it. It can be simply defined as branding the message. In politics is is stated as controlling the narrative. It is not a short term goal, it does however have to start somewhere. Promotion if independent conservative films, books, music etc. Shoot a clothing brand could do it or even a simple new design of window decals (e.g., Calvin pissing on a logo). Everything comes in cycles so there is no reason to reinvent the wheel, although on a side note it has been done (Spinners, Spinners that don't spin ugh). The point is it does take some creativity and not just a bitch session.

348 It's the public school monopoly.  The public school monopoly is also a government monopoly.  This monopoly socializes the populace.  In other words, government socializes the populace.  And this monopoly is dominated by liberal thought.  I know for I am writing at my place of employment, a high school (which also has the designation of being a "green" school).  Conservatives have conceded this territory.  You can see this in the textbooks which are used to meet the standards of a public school curriculum.  There is certainly bias.  The solution however might not be an injection of conservative or libertarian ideology into the public schools.  Instead, give people a choice and I don't mean vouchers or charter schools.  There needs to be an income tax deduction for private school tuition.  I think that which we think to be a good education will promote the values of individual freedom and small government.

349 Maybe (just maybe) - if one's target market for conservative rap music was different than the target market for gangsta rap, a conservative rapper might come up with slightly different lyrics.

If chicks can dance to it, who's listening to the fucking words to begin with?

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 16, 2012 03:32 PM (hNXHo)

This, hardly any one gives a shit what the lyrics say, as long as it sounds good. Have you ever tried to just sit down and read rap, pop, or even rock lyrics, they sound ridiculous.

350 The Universities are worse than any of you know... Not all of us. As an alumni from a particularly bad offender, believe me when I say I saw it all 20 years ago. It just hadn't gone into wide distribution yet...

351 349 Sphynx,


maybe but it is not our game service and duty are.

352 BTW, I've noticed that the elitists on the upper echelons of the Left don't much partake in the trash culture themselves. They're the biggest patrons of art and classical music concerts

PBS is a socialist organ, yet I see a lot of classical music played there, not much pop or hip hop

Of course, once in a while you do see a concert from 60s artists so that the Rolling Stone editorial board will keep tuning in

353

I don't agree with ace or rush. It's politics. Until we have politicians that will call out the left and the media on a daily basis for their lies and distortrions you can't blame the public for believing what they beleive.

 

But    you said it right there yourself.   "The media."  You can have politicians screaming about bias in the    media coverage till the cows come home, but it's THE MEDIA that is telling people what     is "true."    We have to destroy and rebuild the media     to fix the culture to    give our politicians a VOICE.

354 OT: Kirsten Powers' article on Fox (http://tinyurl.com/bww393j)

I swear she's got me starting to think naughty thoughts.  Naughty things you know, like sending her a shirtless picture.

355 A thought from the sidebar about Lindsey Lohan's movie:

Is it wretched; because it's wretched. Or because she endorsed Mitt Romney?

How can we be sure this reviewer's opinion is based upon the movie's merits or simply based upon her political views?

356 oh man there's a restaurant near me where you can order PIE online

http://tinyurl.com/cs5w7z7

357 Going  Galt  also  means  getting  out  of  the  cesspool  of  popular  culture  where:  Stupidity is celebrated.  Nastiness  is  promoted.  Excellence  is  demeaned.  Rebellion  is  cool.  2 + 2  equals  5.  There  is  no  objective  truth.    

358 I don't agree with ace or rush. It's politics. Then you're a fool. Period.

359 And when a student in K-12 asks "Why?", the teacher replies ...

360

The 'Counter-Culture' that began back in the 60's is now in power.

 

The 'Counter-Culture' is now....our culture.

 

Just like the Unions, which live on long after they have accomplished their original goals...

The leftist 'Counter-Culture' has accomplished it's original goals, of destroying the culture that it was rebelling against.

 

It is not sustainable.

It is already becomming, exactly what it used to rail against.

 

The old leftist rebels are now the ones engaging in:

'Conform to our ideas...or be punished'.

'Censor anyone who speaks out'.

'Bully people into submission'.

 

But they are forgetting that Defiance against Tyranny...is in our DNA.

As they become more tyrannical, I have faith in our people as a whole, to see it for what it is...and turn away from them.

 

361 Here, Culture! Here Culture Culture Culture!

362 The problem with is Jay-Z is that he admitted he supports the scoamf strictly on race. Never mind the fact that the scoamf is wagging a class war on the 1% which Jay-Z is a part of.

Posted by: YIKES! at November 16, 2012 03:35 PM

The SCOAMF isn't waging war on ALL the 1 percent. He's protecting deductions and loopholes used by celebrities and rent seeking corporations with the excuse of "it won't raise enough revenue"

363 Sean Bannion I posit that 95% of Catholic schools have been corrupted. The teachers are taught in public universities. Even in the diocese run by faithful bishops, scratch under the surface and you'll find the teachers are all dummies. The priests even the good ones surrender the schools to educrats and tell themselves the school is solid because the kiddies go to daily mass and they offer confession. There are a lot of conservatives supporting shitty catholic schools and have no clue

364

Posted by: just L at November 16, 2012 03:30 PM (0PiQ4)

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Except for the hundreds of  school buses carrying diocesan school children that make their way to D.C. every January 22 for the National Right to Life protest.

 

The diocesan schools are under the control of bishop associated with their particular jurisdiction. Catholic clergy are pro-life. If a Catholic school principal is pro-choice, s/he won't be able to keep his/her job very long if s/he publicly articulates that stance.

365 >>maybe but it is not our game service and duty are.


Huhh??????????

366

"We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.” 

- C.S. Lewis

367 349 We shouldn't set out to contribute to the culture in order to change minds and hearts. We should just produce works/art that we like and bring along our own values. I wish I could have been this eloquent. Culture *is*. We can ceded that entire field to the enemy, or get all up in there and compete. Conservatives are stuck equating art with talent and would rather QQ about this and that being shit, rather than producing some content worthy of consumption themselves. there's a big chunk of this country that trusts an artist like Jay-Z so much that they let him talk to them all day long through their iWhatever. All day long. He gets to communicate a personal message to them, non-stop... ...and then we conservatives wonder why folks give a fuck what he says about politics. He ain't talking to us. He never was.

368 The Big culture influencers don't set out to push their beliefs/values/politics, they just bring them along when they produce a work.

That depends on who you define as a "Big culture influencer."  See, NOW it may be Jay-Z and Tim McGraw, but before them, it was the producers and production companies.

They were looking for certain messages (specifically communist ones) and pushing those.  Having once defined that culture, it's fairly easy for it to be self-sustaining.

369 Is it wretched; because it's wretched. Or because she endorsed Mitt Romney?

How can we be sure this reviewer's opinion is based upon the movie's merits or simply based upon her political views?


*****

I feel quite certain it is laughably wretched, but the reviewer gives the impression that she's a knockout in it because be repeats himself with how you can't take your eyes off of her.

370

>>>"Fuck the unions! Give me Twinkies!"

 

Don't shout this is San Franscisco.

371 Jordan's also the one who came here and ranted about the high cost of obtaining a Voter ID in PA. I know, it's incredibly expensive, much more then the average minority could possibly afford, so therefor is an obvious attempt to disenfranchise them. That's snark. The actual cost $0.00 In other words, free, absolutely free.

372 >How can we be sure this reviewer's opinion is based upon the movie's merits or simply based upon her political views?

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 16, 2012 03:38 PM (mcWHD)

have you seen the trailer? It's wretched all right. But if it features boobehs we can look forward to Ace's epic review

373 "So our troll is a Jay-Z fan" Most definitely. I find his business resume at least as interesting as his music. I can't think of any American businessman who has been as broadly successful in so many fields. Drugs. (his operation spanned three cities and netted millions.) Music. Business. This guy went from the street corner to the seventh-highest paid CEO in the country. He's worth more than Tim Cook, head of Apple. Even if you don't agree with his politics or like his music, his story is *extraordinary.*

374 I call him Jay-Zed. I'm guessing he hates that.

375 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 03:32 PM (8y9MW) ------------------------------------------------------------- AllenG are you still searching for help on your book cover art?

376 360 "oh man there's a restaurant near me where you can order PIE online"

The Rock likes his share of pies, and The Rock is pleased that the restaurant is offering key lime pie or lemon meringue pie, but where . . . in the blue hell . . . is The Rock's favorite kind of pie?

Until that place starts offering up some piping hot poontang pie, The Rock will stick with his own cookin'

377 Eeyore was an optimist.

378 >>>"Fuck the unions! Give me Twinkies!"

Don't shout this is San Franscisco.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 16, 2012 03:40 PM (3ZtZW)

 

Honestly?  I'd love to shout it PARTICULARLY LOUDLY in San Fran;   using a megaphone.       Just so long as I was wearing cast iron underwear,    and preferably riding in a blimp.

379 Paul's  letter  to  the Galations  6:7:  Be  not  deceived,  God  is  not  mocked;   for  whatever  a  man  sows,  this  he  will  also  reap.    

380 We need conservative teachers. Were you downsized? Have a degree? Go back to school for education certification and make a difference. The liberals have controlled education ever since they realized that they'd be exempt from the Draft in that profession. We cannot keep surrendering the classroom, or we will face nothing but hordes of the indoctrinated who cannot or will not think for themselves.

381

I think what shines about Kanye is the beats.

He stands out most as a small minded bigot.

382 The driving force behind popular culture is still $$$$$$

They need a growing customer base just like any other business. We don't have to all eschew it, just enough of us to kill them at the margins.

Businesses die not because they ran out of customers, they die because they didn't have enough customers to meet their margins

383 new discrimination thread up

384 Is it extraordinary that a sick culture produces sick heroes?

Success has many yardsticks to measure by.

385 330: Exactly. Once they can see there's an operation at work, it has failed. It has to be anonymous -- helpful sources feeding juicy tips to "real" journalists. It's not political activism, it's harmless celebrity gossip, except that it just happens to target the most obnoxiously liberal celebrities. The beauty of attacking their media whores is that there's no retaliation. Conservatives in media already face intense scrutiny and horrifying attacks. I bet reading Rush Limbaugh's mail would give you nightmares. No, this has to be anonymous. No catchy names, no Web site, no letterhead. Nothing they can attack.

386

How is a free move different thanfree birth control?

either way, someone else is paying.

 

The difference is we're not claiming a "right" to have someone else pay for a free move.  The Koch brothers would be choosing to help ease the expense of moving to a blue state in order to encourage conservatives to move there.

387 There are a lot of conservatives supporting shitty catholic schools and have no clue Then there is you, who probably enjoyed your days in the KKK ranting about the Catholics. Go away before I hit you with a 2 X 4.

388 382 "I'd love to shout it PARTICULARLY LOUDLY in San Fran; using a megaphone. Just so long as I was wearing cast iron underwear, and preferably riding in a blimp."

I wouldn't recommend flying over San Fran in a blimp.

389 Jay-Z's whole empire is based on image, pop culture, and "supporting his people".  There's no way he'd admit if he voted for Romney, and I wouldn't be incredibly surprised if he did.  50-cent (remember him?) admitted a few years back that he was Republican, and he took all kinds of hate because of it.  Traitor to his race, sellout, etc...  I think that may have been pre-Obama though, he may have switched over to support "his people".

390 ranks him, along with Gates, Jobs and Buffett as the most extraordinary entrepreneurs of our era

Yes, yes, I'm sure when the history of the 21st century is written, Microsoft and Apple will be mere footnotes beside the Might of Jay-Z.

391 Then there is you, who probably enjoyed your days in the KKK ranting about the Catholics. Go away before I hit you with a 2 X 4.


****

Here.

Use my gloves.

I wouldn't want you to get a splinter.

392

teach your children well.  The schools are the foundation by which the Marxists can dominate the culture.  No matter what we teach at home, we send them to instututions that either 1) brainwash them into liberal thinking 2) keep them dumb.  Either way, it leads to a populace that can be manipulated by the media for the benefit of the Democrats.We  

 

393

Posted by: just L at November 16, 2012 03:39 PM (0PiQ4)

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Since you're the one who has a clue, could you point out the Catholic schools that are shitty? Blanket generalizations are useless unless you can provide some specifics.

 

Catholic schools generally outperform public schools in academics, that's why inner city parents are on waiting lists to send their non-Catholic children to diocesan schools.

394 Experience is a dear teacher, and only fools will learn from no other. - LET IT BURN!!

395 AllenG are you still searching for help on your book cover art?

Yes, actually.  I don't have time during the work-day to work on it (though I wrote 4,100 words by the time I forced myself to go to sleep last night), but you can email me (dedicatedtenther[at]gmail) and I can tell you what I'm looking for.

It's not anything particularly difficult, I think, but I'd like it well done, and it needs to translate well to epub level graphics.

396 My thesis is essentially: garbage in, garbage out. And when there is very little in popular culture that is not garbage, I dont know how you could steep yourself in it and not expect what you get back to be garbage.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at November 16, 2012 02:50 PM (qFpRI)

 

It's worse than you think. Numerous studies have been done going back as far as the Fifties attempting to determine the effects of television viewing on human physiology and brain function--the act of watching television irrespective of kind and type of content. For one thing, watching TV puts us into a passive, receptive, quasi-hypnotic state. For another--and possibly more importantly--our minds do not differentiate between real-world experience and fantasy transmitted to us through the screen; that is, an 'I Love Lucy' rerun is as legitimate to the way our minds process information as the memory of our first kiss. Sure, higher level, reasoning and analytical brain function discriminates and tells us which is more important to the other, but both feel equally valid and true in a fundamental way. Both are real, at least in a physiological, mind-processing sense.

 

Propaganda works, and television is the most effective propaganda tool ever devised. Whoever controls it controls us; or rather, enough of us to swing an election a certain way, or shape viewpoints and public perceptions enough to make a difference. This is all obvious stuff, I know, but instead of talking about the elephant in the room, we need to start making ourselves aware of the that box in the room, the one emitting the flickering light and filling our heads with the dreams of others.

 

David Cronenberg was a prophet, of sorts. Long live the new flesh.

397 But you said it right there yourself. "The media." You can have politicians screaming about bias in the media coverage till the cows come home, but it's THE MEDIA that is telling people what is "true." We have to destroy and rebuild the media to fix the culture to give our politicians a VOICE.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 16, 2012 03:38 PM (4df7R)

 

 

That's not true, we had the presidency and both houses of congress for a lot of those years. The press would have to cover it if Bush would have been calling press conferences explaining how the bulk of the tax cuts were for poor and middle class. Same if the speaker or the senate leader pushed it. They didn't so the dems and the media wrote their own narrative.

 

 

 

I agree the media sucks but it always sucked. Reagan went around the media and spoke to the people.

398

There is proof that all is not lost in the culture war except that our victories are not widely reported or repeated. Thanks MSM.

 

Look at the subject matter of some of the highest grossing films and look at liberal suck fest films that have failed miserably.

 

Look at our all volunteer military branches which unfortunately the left is trying to destroy from above so that may not be a good example in the future.

 

 

 

 

399 One thing we could do maybe...hire or buy outright a dead FTP video game and packet fund it back to life and put subtle conservative messages in it w/working economies.

400

@250 Flatbush Joe  This!

Let's expand on it a bit.  Only do business with Conservatives and Libertarians.  Partial Galt if you will. 

401 The left domiantes severeal layers of media but it does not dominate overtly Xbox Live Arcade fan sub games and/or MMOs,,,pops trend left but not usually overt plot

402 We need conservative teachers. Were you downsized? Have a degree? Go back to school for education certification and make a difference.

Yes.  This.

403 Jordan should be dead to us.  let's not waste our time with it.

404 another one wuld be book on CD if we had a patriotic conservative themed publishing house that had high b fading a list voice talent doing spot work....


I dunno

405 Read BezmenovÂ’s explanation of demoralization.

406 Culture starts with family, ace. That is why the left has been so hard at work for the last 40-50 years to destroy the normal nuclear family. Family removes the need for a kid to be raised by TV or twitter. A kid with decent nuclear family will grow up more secure, and will not need the society - the uneducated mob, or government to act a surrogates. That person is freer and more independent. That person does not need a socialist utopia to chase away the complexes they developed as a child.

Posted by: runner at November 16, 2012 03:31 PM (WR5xI)

 

 

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THIS!  And the public education system.  And I don't know, other than absolute collapse of this nation and/or the use of violence, how to change it.  It's not going to change by having elections.  The corruption is too deep now.

 

We are Rome (in  the  days of it's fall).

 

Freedom has become  a bug, not a feature.

 

 

407 Homeschooling can only be a defensive measure. You can protect your own kids from misinformation and dumbing down, but there's no way to go out and homeschool someone else's kids.

408 It's not anything particularly difficult, I think, but I'd like it well done, and it needs to translate well to epub level graphics. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 03:45 PM (8y9MW) --------------------------------- It is what I do to feed the family (graphic art etc) I just sent you an email

409 Look at the subject matter of some of the highest grossing films and look at liberal suck fest films that have failed miserably.

Look at our all volunteer military branches which unfortunately the left is trying to destroy from above so that may not be agood example in the future.

Posted by: polynikes at November 16, 2012 03:46 PM (m2CN7)

 

 

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For  right now, time is on the side of the left.

410 I agree, its culture. The only thing that will wake the voting population from this is to watch it fail. It's why the communists had to kill the useful idiots once communism was achieved, and its why some of the strongest conservatives come from failed leftist shit holes. Let it burn.

411 I have explored this issue in the context of Christianity with friends on occasion. They contend that if we Christians did a better job of demonstrating Christian values then Christians would not be vilified in popular culture as buffoons and charlatans. I contend that it does not matter what we do, popular culture will continue to vilify Christians because we are simply considered uncool. Caring for the poor? Rushing aid to natural disaster victims? Does not matter and for the most part ignored. What won't be ignored are the antics of Fred Phelps and his (what? 60?) followers. That is the face of Christianity that is going to be presented to the world. We believe that Homosexual marriage is wrong and aren't "inclusive." Therefore, we are not and will never be cool. My friends usually get quite annoyed with me when I tell them this, which tells me that they really haven't internalized Mathew 5:11 and haven't studied early church history (or even read Acts.) The only way to change the way Christians and conservatives are portrayed in popular culture is to change the culture.

412 415 VTO2,

If we Run red as we fall and we are choosy about who we mingle with in the new areas and build it better we gain as they lose....

recruit veterans to the Red as they lose it all, invite doctors as they go Galt, over time we can start our own films and music....make Atlanta or Dallas the red hollywood....

use POL resources whether the feds try to clamp down or not....

invoke the 10th push the issues hard.

Build the damn thing back to what it was not this retarded low impact self-esteem based bullshit we see.....

413 This is exactly why the social issues cannot be set aside while politiking goes on, as usual...

The social issues are at the heart of the giant cavern that will not be breached by either side.  Two of the social issues, precisely:
1. Abortion (also known as "wholesale mass slaughter of infants in their mothers' wombs), and
2. Gayness (in general, but specifically, marriage)

People could meet in the middle pre-1970's because neither of these issues were popular, nevermind legal. Now, half the population won't sign on.  We are stuck.  The politiking simply reflects that half the people won't sign on, in any form.
  

414 I see many people talking about conservatism reaching into pop culture. People here are also talking about reaching the "kids" (people my age).

I think a lot of you are stuck in a 20th century mindset (no offense), that the young and the old are naturally at odds. This is a lot of claptrap that communists have used since the 50s to corrupt society. Sure, there will be differences in musical taste and whatnot, but there is no reason for young people to have an entirely different worldview than their elders.

The problem here is that the previous two generations have raised an entire cohort of people who have achieved higher nominal levels of education than any generation in history. By that, I mean more people have attended college and post grad school than at any time in history. And these same people have begun to believe that the normative, ideological models that they learned in school are more workable and more realistic than the hard learned truths followed by their parents. Its essentially the school of hard knocks versus the local university.

So, we've got a bunch of arrogant kids (sorry, anyone under 40 is a kid to me, and I'm 25, so....) who think they know better than everyone else trying to "change the world".

I think the first step in any direction has to start with parenting. The Dr. Spock/if it feels good do it/my child is a unique snowflake stuff has to go. I was raised with a healthy respect of my parents and their values. I learned the same liberal crap that everyone else learned at school, but I knew better that it didn't work. So here I am, one of the rare under 30s who is right of the Republican Party. So many parents today (and I've seen it first hand) treat their children, even at single digit ages, as if they're small adults. They allow their kids to push them around, to ignore them, to treat them with contempt. It extends to ideology, when they get old enough. Children have no respect for their parents, who usually are conservative, but have all the respect in the world for their hippy-wannabe professor.

415 Yes, yes, I'm sure when the history of the 21st century is written, Microsoft and Apple will be mere footnotes beside the Might of Jay-Z.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 16, 2012 03:44 PM (hZ+2N)

I once mattered.

416 I had an interesting thought whilst driving home from work today.  We've been tossing around ideas to force the MSM into submission.  Here's where Let It Burn comes in:  they're doing it to themselves, they just don't realize it yet.  Case in point: how many ad dollars have they lost now that Twinkie the Kid is no longer dancing across my TV screen?  As the economy goes further and further into the tank, less companies are going to have ad buy money.  L.I.B.

417 At least if your kids are in public schools, you should teach them how to think and critically reason and that teachers and school administrators are not gods.   When my boys were in school, I was constantly challenging teachers and school administrators and what they were teaching, and the stupid rules they imposed.  All three are grown, and are conservative, and can spot liberal fallacy a mile away.

418 390  The difference is we're not claiming a "right" to have someoneelsepay for a free move. The Koch brothers would be choosing to help ease the expense of moving to a blue state in order to encourage conservatives to move there.

Posted by: Alex at November 16, 2012 03:43 PM (3x3F6)

 

Thanks.

 

I still have difficulty w/ it, but will accept your answer.

419 The problem is, I don't believe politicians can change the culture.

 I can completely sympathize with Social Conservatives and traditionalists that our current state of affairs is sickening, but putting up sacrificial lambs like Rick Santorum or Mike Huckabee is going to take a secular nation and make it a socialist, secular nation whereas MAYBE we could salvage it with secular, pro-market nation that values liberty.

Also, I think 90% of the "war" on conservatives in popular culture is driven purely on social issues.  I'm not saying that's "why" we need to drop those issues, but much of this is our side unfortunately has figures that are absolute caricatures that were almost created by Hollywood liberals.  I mean Rick Santorum almost won the nomination and he said he wanted to use his Presidential campaign as a platform to talk about the dangers of married people using birth control.

You can't make some of this stuff up.

420 Oh yeah, for the Catholic school perspective (went to a big Catholic HS in New Jersey), they are somewhat better, but not much. My history teacher for Jr and Sr year was a dyed in the wool, open Communist. My breaking point was when he began to lecture our class about how wonderful Islam was. This was about 3 years after 9/11, in a school where at least one parent had died in the WTC. I actually picketed the class. Sat outside, yelled about it, talked to the school's leadership. They assured me he'd be fired by years end.

Last month I got my alumni magazine. Guess who just retired? Seven years after that conversation.

Religion is just as corrupted by politics as anything else.

421 >>>I think the first step in any direction has to start with parenting. Seriously. When someone tut-tuts at the "kids these days" whine, I just point out that kids have always been turds. The problem today is the parents.

422 Have lots of kids and drill conservative values into their sweet little minds. That is truly our best defense....and big families bring a lot of joy

423 I love Rush and he's usually correct and on the mark, but I have to totally disagree with him on the ideas in this excerpt. The young are pro-Che because they think it's anti-American. They love barky because he stands for everything that America doesn't, and even better, he stands for the total destruction of America. The Western youth, in general, take on this period of rebellion as a rite of passage. The problem is that youth has been extended out so long in this society that many find themselves trapped in these childish worlds, helped along by an all-encompassing feral government that is more than happy to bottle feed the little shitheads all through their lives, reducing all of society down to the level of the dregs of society that governments first proposed the need for such programs and actions in order to take care of like the infantile clumps of cells they are. But, still, people grow up - even in the face of such overbearing government and eventually come to rightfully hate the intrusiveness of such nanny-staters. At least, a confident, proud person does. Many will never be confident or proud and many will never be decent human beings. There's no getting around that, especially as we continue to import the worst the world has to offer for the worst reasons one could imagine, but for normal Western people there will always be an adulthood at some point and a striving for individual liberty. Of course, non-Westerners do not generally strive for individual liberty since they come from cultures that have never even contemplated the notion seriously ... but for Westerners, this is what lies in the future of most. Of course, you have to take into account the decent percentage of Westerners with weak, damaged personalities who are going to end up as self-hating, suicidal pieces of shit looking to destroy everything they find familiar (as such is the bad of individualistic culture that one has to take with the good of it) ... So, every so often populations need to be separated by nations. All of the damaged and demented can stay in the American Socialist Superstate to enjoy the hell they are fashioning while those of us who want to carry on the American ideals will need to set up a new country. These things are inevitable. But all this is not a matter of education and environment. It's a matter of people, the nature of families, common decency and respect.

424 418 This is exactly why the social issues cannot be set aside while politiking goes on, as usual...

The social issues are at the heart of the giant cavern that will not be breached by either side. Two of the social issues, precisely:
1. Abortion (also known as "wholesale mass slaughter of infants in their mothers' wombs), and
2. Gayness (in general, but specifically, marriage)

People could meet in the middle pre-1970's because neither of these issues were popular, nevermind legal. Now, half the population won't sign on. We are stuck. The politiking simply reflects that half the people won't sign on, in any form.


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I think the culture argument goes right to the solution of your concern about social issues.  You can win the abortion argument without a shred of politics if you change attitudes about abortion through pop culture.

Create an animated series about 'Fred' the abortion doctor. He's a goofy, cheerful guy who thinks abortion is great. It's so great that Fred produces short films on proper disposal of vacuumed baby limbs and skulls and how-to's on how to insert the scalpel into the skull of a partially born full term 'fetus' then remove the 'fetus' and fling it around and toss it into the grinder where it becomes some product for women to rub on their faces. Women show up at Fred's Abortion Palace and have abortions while they're on the phone to their girlfriends. Point is to coarsely lampoon the casualness that pro-abortion types accept the butchery that is abortion.

425 426- You know, I don't think we ever heard the "kids these days" crap until the 60s, when the parents began abdicating their role in their children's lives.

Its amazing. You don't like your new couch? You blame the guy who made it. Same thing for kids. You don't like your kids? Look no further than the person who made them... YOU.

426 NotSoLoneWolfinNC at November 16, 2012 03:55 PM (LN5eJ) I liked what you said, but do me a favor? Go take an online IQ test and tell me what the score is. Then look up the statistical probability of that across the general population. You are, very much, a lone wolf. You saw through the BS, and probably fed back the answers that would earn you the grade, while rejecting the brainwashing. Not too many can achieve that feat.

427 Since Nov 6th, I've come to the conclusion the liberals will never accept responsibility no matter how much damage they do. If the economy goes down it will remain Bush's fault, if we go over the fiscal cliff it will be because of the republican's etc. etc. etc..... and it will work. From a cultural aspect, how can we reverse this when lies are accepted for face value even when hard fact's are presented? Fast & Furious, Benghazi, not producing a budget for 4 years... woof! What does it take to combat this? Are the libs that much smarter or does it take smarts to be devious.... we need to learn to play better chess...

428 Kallisto All anyone needs to do is look at the book lists and what the typical average catholic school is using. What passes for literature these days, history texts are revisionist with narratives being written to blame whitey, science books are laden with enviro garbage. That catholic kids score better on tests than their counterparts is only a testament that the public schools are a lot worse. The only catholic schools worth supporting are ones that teach the classics, and that's in the 2% range. I know so many older folks who sacrificed all their lives to put their kids thru cath schools only to watch their adult kids leave the church and embrace secular liberal lifestyles.

429 So Jay-Z was the modern equilvilent of Joe Kennedy....just replace "Rum-Runner" with "Drugs" and the story is just about the same.

430

I blame MTV. 

 

I'm only half joking.

431 I think the right needs to start being intellectually honest if it wants widespread appeal. US Liberalism taken to an extreme is NOT Chavez and Castro ... we aren't third world ... it is Canada and Scandanavian countries like Holland, Denmark, Norway and Sweden. That's like saying the GOP brand of conservatism get us Pinochet's Chile. The more appropriate analog is probably Russia with its 13% flat tax, shock privatization and joyful drill baby drill attitude. Intellectual dishonesty, straw men construction, fear mongering ... 50% of us are neither that cynical nor ignorant.

432

I'm remembering my California history professor that specifically called me a white devil guilty of stealing the land from the natives.  La Raza!  Textbook for this California History course required for my degree:  Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States. 

I accept that schools and universities are a problem, but all is not lost.  At one time we all beleived in the tooth fairy and santa claus.  Then we grew up. 

The Marxist indoctrination I suffered from grades 3-19 all went out the window when I got a job and had a family.   

 

433 Thanks Regular Moron. I suspect you're not so regular, and definitely not a moron.

My parents have had a tough road, having to listen to me complain year in and year out about the complete BS that is peddled for truth in schools today.

Anyone want some highlights? I once had a 3rd grade teacher tell me to go through my mom's purse to see if she smoked, so I could tell her that smoking was evil.

I had a college prof tell me that only conservatives were politically violent. He said no liberal had ever committed an act of political violence. This was during the 08 election when (some) were talking about Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground.

434 school choice

435 436 Adorno,

Yeah I'll beoieve you when Bill Ayers is publically shunned for his kill 25 million conservatives shit.

'til then I am watching the left like a hawk and ready to go strike for strike.

You guys shit on the nation for 8 years leftoids.

Fuck you Blue

436 The new "pop culture" we are speaking of needs to be based on self gratification as the bait, then as you get them deeper into it the message slowly changes to promote the intended message. It's a PR/Branding campaign nothing else. "Toxic Sludge is good for you" http://www.prwatch.org/tsigfy.html an excellent book on how the PR industry really works and how it influences attitudes and perceptions.

437 The difference is we're not claiming a "right" to have someoneelsepay for a free move. The Koch brothers would be choosing to help ease the expense of moving to a blue state in order to encourage conservatives to move there.

Posted by: Alex at November 16, 2012 03:43 PM (3x3F6)

 

My thoughts jump, so forgive me please.  Hell, sometimes I don't even have thoughts, just ideas.. I got no answers.

 

We want them to help fund a what...?

 

A move, a way out ?? the other frontier?? another country?? the r word??

 

What happens when we get there?  How will we hold it?  What happens to the enemies of us there?  How to define us v/ them?

438 437 The Marxist indoctrination I suffered from grades 3-19 all went out the window when I got a job and had a family. I think you see why both of these are, in fact, optional and not recommended in the "new normal". Responsible decisions like those you reference actually make people think once in a while.

439 There is something even more influential than culture. We call it "reality". It manifests itself from time to time. It has the power to blast away the fog created by "culture". Entertainment as "culture" is what bored, protected, insulated, financially secure people do to fill their lives with meaning when reality has been absent awhile. Americans because of their prosperity, efficient military and police and stable system of government fall prey to entertainment "culture" as reality more readily than other people's past and present. But that darned real reality always manages to return again.

440

436: The more appropriate analog is probably Russia with its 13% flat tax, shock privatization and joyful drill baby drill attitude. 

Isnt that fucking ironic.

441
  So if you wish to make a difference then do what we did with the last amnesty proposal--GET ON THE PHONE, E-MAIL, WRITE YOUR SENATOR OR REPRESENTATIVE AND YELL LIKE HELL..

  Exactly as I just did.  Let it out and make a horrendous noise. 

   Or you can sit and whine.

442

I'm not usually on here this long.

 

No disrespect, but I've got to go do some stuff, so I'm out.

443 He's right of course, I've felt the same way for the past 8 or so years. We're loosing this in pop-culture and education. Sure, one can opt out of both for other options but let's not pretend this will be the majority action. Conservatives for years have dismissed things like the Daily Show, Tonight show, SNL, etc for shaping conventional 'wisdom' and now we're paying for that mistake. The culture is as important, if not more so, than policy and no this is NOT about social (moral) issues. Drop the damn bible-thumping attempt to legislate morality and instead 'shape' public opinion.

Question is, is it too late? Is it too far gone?

444 They won the culture war by conflating the civil rights movements of the 60's with progressivism. The media was so pissed about the blacklist that they threw a little neo-Marxism in for good measure. Red diaper babies like our Resident thought this was all cool. He is the leader of a movementent that has been culminating for decades now. To quote The Dark Knight Rises, "Selina Kyle: There's a storm coming, Mr. Wayne. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you're all gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us." The hurricane has hit now. If you want to change the culture, you have to pull the funding. The Democrats have entrenched themselves, and merely folding to them will change nothing. Go after them. Use the looming fiscal crisis to hit them where it hurts. I will repost another comment that laid out sound strategy. Get Karl Roce's PACs to drum up public support. Reveal the 1%. 537 Why the concentration on social stuff? Taxes and spending are far more important. If the Evil Dems want higher tax revenues, lets give those to them: cap mortgage deductions so that the rich can't write off more than the average (blue state propery values are higher than red state), end the deduction for previously paid state and local taxes (blue state Dems may find themselves suddenly in favor of tax reform when they hear this one), and cap personal deductions in the aggregate (aimed, again, at the wealthy Dems. Posted by: MTF at November 13, 2012 05:01 PM (B5y+v)

445 Hey whoever's weilding that 2 x 4, let me get my white sheet on first so I can go down proudly in uniform.

446 Romney places second in the National Election and Obama finishes next to last

447

Just because you agree with Rush doesn't make his message effective. 

 

Think about that.

 

448 Go after all these motherfucking NP's, too.

449 437 and 443 - "The Marxist indoctrination I suffered from grades 3-19 all went out the window when I got a job and had a family."

Yeah, but that's not a cure all. I know at least one person who is in her 60s, who raised a family, worked in a small business, and worked in the financial services industry who is as liberal as they come.

I like her, but she's not exactly intelligent. But she thinks she is. So the lessons of life have no effect on her. Did she get screwed by government regulation? Yep. Does she have a crap, part time job now? Yep. Does she want more of the things that hurt her? Damn straight.

You can't assume that life lessons will straighten people out. Some of them just don't get it, and never will. The ideology implanted at a young age is too strong. They're the sheep from Animal Farm. Napolean is always right, and Snowball is a traitor, no matter how much evidence the contrary they see.

450 But all this is not a matter of education and environment. It's a matter of people, the nature of families, common decency and respect.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 04:03 PM (X3lox)

 

 

 

 

Decency?  Respect?  I bet you're a "do as I say not as I do" kinda guy.

451

I don't have time to read upthread, so maybe this has been mentioned already, but Bill Whittle and Andrew Klavan have been talking about all this for yonks. 

Go to Declaration Entertainment.  That's the whole point of it. Find out what they're about, donate, and let's start giving conservatives real options for their entertainment dollars. If we want to starve Hollywood out, we actually have to do it.

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452 I am very friendly with a Catholic school teacher, in fact did five years in her school. While the inner city Philly schools got closed down her school survived. Why? The former priest at the parish, who was a big-spending lib died. Replaced by a died-in-the-wool conservative. The principal left last year, replaced by a died-in-the-wool conservative. The ratio of libs to conservatives is approximately 20 to 1 in favor of conservatives. The recent 'election' in the school -- which is actually more of a reflection of how parents think then children -- went to Romney, overwhelmingly. Her early ed curriculum includes the communist manifesto about the Ant and the Grasshopper -- I snark, of course. Read that story. It's as conservative as they get. Catholics appear to vote as a reflection of the communities in which they reside, and any blanket statements about their voting habits are not based in reality.

453

Posted by: just L at November 16, 2012 04:05 PM (0PiQ4)

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Again, you are speaking in generalities. You haven't quoted one specific, for example: Our Lady of Mt. Carmel school in Poughkeepsie, NY has dropped its Christmas celebration in favor of a Winter Solstice dance.

 

To your point about young people leaving the faith to live secular lifestyles, I was one of them. And I came back. Young people have been abandoning their faith communities from time immemorial. This is not a dynamic specific to the Catholic church. Some revert to their faith, especially when they have their own children; some do not.

 

454 The Liberals' favorite leaders are Marx, Stalin, Mao, and Che. Modern "Liberalism" IS Marxism.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 02:49 PM (8y9MW)

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I know this wacko anti-globalist gun nut who believes that the civil rights movement was a commie plot.  Ditto the ecology movement. So you'll have to forgive my not taking all the commie talk seriously.  And I can guarantee you most Americans haven't thought about dissent in these terms since the '50s. 

But please, continue.

455 The traditional Catholic college is alive and well.

Check out the curriculum and the Outdoor Program at Wyoming Catholic College.  Awesome.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/35vwb8

456 Breitbart said 'culture is upstream of politics' ... itÂ’s not selling out, itÂ’s infiltrating and influencing.-Sarah Palin

457 Exactly.  I heard Rush yesterday and I cheered.  Hallelujah!  The Left understands this which is why they have tried, very successfully, to shut conservatives out of the public square.  The answer is not to boycott culture but to ENGAGE it, en mass.  Breitbart advocated challenging them everywhere.  Kudos to the Tim Tebows, the Elisabeth Hasselbecks, and Stephenie Meyer's Twilight who have walked into the belly of the beast and flourished.  Conservatives and republicans should show up everywhere and SPEAK UP!  As Breitbart said, the truth isn't mean.  It is truth.

458

I made this exact point yesterday on the Rove thread:

THAT is what I am talking about. If we truly want our country back, we have to be willing to wage an all out guerrilla war on the media. They are in large part responsible for the current regime. They enabled them at every turn. If we want to sit around like the Roves of this world, finding a billion reasons that are NOT the reason for our losses, fine. I don't want to play the blame game. I want to exact pain on the house that media built. We need to 'go rogue' or shut up and sit down. So do we keep up with the 'LIB' strategy or do we put our lives, our hearts, our sacred honor' on the line? I want to steal back our country, not wallow in defeat and despair.
Additionally, work the inner cities and other enclaves of liberal wastelands/raceland ---- show them that by endulging in the Democrat vote, they are really fencing themselves right back into/onto the plantation. 'The Man' still controls them by design.

We CAN take this back. It is a culture war and we can win it. People want to choose freedom, but how can they if everything they see and hear points to freedom as having 'free stuff'?

459 Why would I want to save them, why would I want to face their hatred their anger their "rage" they they have been told is their birthright?

No run red and bring the ones that already get it or suspect it with us and leave the blue with their pets.

Their pets will eat them.

460 "politics was simply the expression of choices and preferences that had already been decided by the culture."

Exactly, and this is what is drilled into your head in grad school critical theory classes. Turn it on them! Analyze their "truth"!  Grad school is when I began to think, hey, these media fuckers are lying! They're making this stuff up!

And people like Trey Parker and this smart military blog make the truth all the more palatable to frightened liberal conformists.

461 You can tell me the urbane American left doesn't want Castro or Chavez style socialism, but I won't believe you until the urbane American left stops embracing and endorsing Castro and Chavez. Then again, I grew up with these people, so maybe I'm just a little harder to bullshit about what they want. I don't know a die hard leftist that hasn't at least gestured longingly down Death Camp Road.

462

Ace, the commenters at zerohedge pointed out an article from salon about unemployed art-major hipsters using food stamps to buy hand-raised salmon and the like.

 

The article is from 2010 so no point in me commenting at salon now, but honestly the comments are as telling as the hipster attitude profiled in the story.  Which is - you owe me, so shut up.  I have a right to food, somebody should be supporting me.  The economy is someone else's fault, so you owe me.  One kid grew up in Westchester but wants to be an under-employed blogger, so - like Nancy Pelosi pointed out - he can afford to be one, what with food stamps, Obamacare, etc. (I heard Nancy Pelosi say, after Obamacare passed, that now people could afford to be an artist, because they didn't have to worry about paying for healthcare. My response? Artist is an avocation, not a vocation...)

 

If these people, who before now, I honestly didn't think existed in any significant numbers, are really who populates this country, then we are doomed.  Only one commenter seemed to grasp that nobody owes you anything in this world...

463 Not sure anyone would read this comment all the way at the bottom.   But I had an observation about this.  I'm 36 years old and a product of the public school system.  For much of my life I was registered Democrat mostly by default because I lived in a blue state and didn't pay much attention to politics.  I guess growing up I thought it weird that everyone seemed so gung ho for the first George Bush because the whole 'thousand points of light' 'read my lips' thing didn't do it for me.  He was nerdy and Dan Quayle was not impressing me either.  Most of my family to this day is Democrat but my siblings have gone ultra liberal while I've drifted more conservative.  My parents by all rights OUGHT to be conservative but my father is still living intellectually in the 60s and believes that the conservatives run the universities and try to squelch liberal thought (oh he's so very counterculture isn't he?) but being a public sector worker at a VA hospital, the Democrats have been partly responsible for his continued employment and eventual retirement.  My mother worked for the Postal Service.

I was never popular.  I was always a nerd and I think I've always been conservative.  But coming up in the environment I was in, I never could have identified what conservative really meant.  I suppose, in a way, it explains why I got along so much better with our neighbors (a Vietnam Vet) who was very pro-Republican.  My impression of Republicans and conservatives was blurred together.  I latched easily onto stereotypes, the rich businessman looking for ways to stuff his pockets with your money, the radical religious fundamentalist looking to impose religion on our federal laws, the high school political geek who always wore a tie.  I didn't really fit in with any of those stereotypes so I had trouble seeing how I could be one of them.

Needless to say, I married a conservative and in the last several years I have embraced the label for myself because I realize that it suits me to a T.  At the same time though, I don't see an effective effort to counter the stereotypes.  In ways, it's even worse now than it was when I was younger because now there's this awful stereotype of Republicans as racist which is just bogus and wrong.  And, since my sister is an independent contractor with pre-existing health conditions, my parents now use Obamacare as a badge to show how right the Democrats are and how evil and uncaring the Republicans are for wanting to strip my sister of her health coverage.  They don't see the big picture and seem to trust that the Democrats aren't going to wreck the country.

I could write pages on how ideology doesn't make a lick of difference to casual Democrats who don't really care about politics.  I hardly knew what a liberal was and didn't know the distinctions between liberal/democrat when I registered as a Democrat 20ish years ago.  Like it or not, even if I had known what they were I probably would have gotten a skewed definition which painted liberalism with rosy bright colors. When I was dating my conservative husband he used to ask me if I considered myself a liberal.  I would avoid the question because I didn't have a decently informed answers.  My parents were never rational about politics (and still aren't... they rant and rave about the Koch brothers--pronounced Cock out of disdain).  And if you had tried to tell me what a liberal or a conservative was I wouldn't have cared because I resisted labeling myself as anything.  I saw labels as a way to stereotype people and try to poke them into pidgeonholes.  Once you label someone you can make assumptions about them that aren't necessarily true.

But this is why many of the arguments against liberalism fall against deaf ears in the Democrat party.  I've heard the line "I don't  believe in labels" or "I don't label myself" more than once from people who fall on that side of the fence and it allows them to evade the reality of what liberalism is.  You can attack liberals without attacking them personally and they'll still vote for the liberal because he's better than that rich republican dude who's totally uncool and probably racist.

In a way, I think that Republicans or at least conservatives need to embrace the 'underground' aspect of being on the outside.  Democrats still think they can play that role of  'sticking it to the man' but they have failed to notice that they ARE 'the man'.  This is one way that Breitbart was successful. He was playing the role of an underground newspaper writer sticking it to the man over and over again.  Going underground snags the interest of non-conformists (who are actually conforming to the status quo without realizing it)  Remember, vintage is popular and stylish today.  The only way to fight the culture war is to relearn to package conservatism as cool.  They need to invest in good fiction writers who understand what that means and to erase the stereotype of the good ole boys club.

464 Also, back in my day, kids gave a crap what their parents thought of them. I'm only 45 and knew that if I didn't behave the way the parents thought I should, I wasn't welcome at the homestead and was going to get cut out of the will. WTF is up with kids not doing and being how their parents expect any more? People act like they have no control over their offspring. It's kind of ridiculous. I will say this, my own parents have softened on my douchebag lib older sister over the years, which pisses me off beyond belief. She is an f'ing waste of oxygen and should have been disowned 20 years ago.  FYNQ is my own attitude towards her whining, snively, entitlement-demanding self.  If my own kid tries getting on food stamps while in any way able-bodied, she will be dead to me.

465

I've been pounding this on Twitter since the election.  It isn't a lost cause.

 

Government has done some unbelievably stupid and indefensible stuff in the last few years.  Younger people hate most of this shit.  They don't use snail-mail anymore, so why aren't we reminding them that Obamacare is going to turn their doctor's office into the Post Office?  And that Obama's creeping on their email and their Facebook accounts? They love to watch hilarious dumb crap on YouTube, why didn't we tell them that Obama threw a guy in jail because he put something on YouTube that caused some 7th-century assholes in Egypt to riot?

 

Young people are broke most of the time.  Why aren't we pointing out to them that government is making them buy $4 light bulbs that don't light and leak poisonous mercury when they break?  And they're made in China!  How many 20-somethings know their iPhones and iPads they wait in line for 5 hours to buy are built by slave labor in China?  They hate that shit.  These products are made in China because U.S. government tax and labor policy made it too expensive for them to make in America.  American workers made the old-fashioned light bulbs and you could buy one for 50 cents.

 

We can build a "big government sucks" movement that is part of the pop culture, if we put our minds to it.  Most young people are essentially libertarian.  We can do a much better job capturing them by emphasizing the freedom- and creativity-killing aspects of government. 

 

But we also have to get government our of their bedrooms.

466 470 Rockmom,

I must have missed the Feds being in my bedroom...I know the media wants me in gay's bedrooms on lots of shows...

I prefer doing business with them and finding common cause.

467

Which is - you owe me, so shut up. I have a right to food, somebody should be supporting me. The economy is someone else's fault, so you owe me.

___

My post-election thoughts included the notion that the flip side of twenty-somethings heeding the "First Time" advice from Lena Dunham is a generation of parenting that raised their offspring to feel entitled and special beyond all reason.

468 Here's my idea.  For the record, I do think getting inside the media and education are necessary, but those take more time than we have to turn things around. 

We need people to wake up.  I think very few understand the media, news and culture are heavily filtered, that they are being kept in the dark about certain things while being bombarded with others.  But everyone likes to think they think for themselves.  So:

Advertising campaign.  Most of what you see, hear and read is propaganda designed to make you think a particular way.  The mainstream media is biased.  They suppress news they do not want you to know.  They distort stories to fit their agenda.  They do not cover news stories and people fairly.  Don't go along with it. 

Don't believe us.  Find out for yourself.  Seek news from new sources beyond the grasp of the mainstream press. Go online and read from a variety of websites.  See for yourself how the mainstream media chooses and filters the news it delivers to you.  Ask yourself why.  Why are they afraid of giving you all the facts and letting you make up your own mind? 

Use radio, billboards, cable tv, radio, ads on buses, popular websites,  etc to get around the MSM.   Embed the message in friendly TV shows similar to product placements. There are probably other non-traditional ways to reach people too.  Send small business owners signage to place in their windows.  Just don't overtly say this is a conservative cause.

469

I think many of us have raised some valid points, and instead of sinking into the doom/gloom mentality, we need to consolidate these points into one post and send them to every possible conservative outlet.

I may just task myself to do this. We cannot just whine or ponder, we need to create an actionable plan and get on with the attacking!

470 474 Calyx,

I'd like to help...maybe but I am not sure it is a wise use of effort.

They have no respect for the Constitution and are trying to use perpetual raw political force to undo our founding.

That is not by the way hyperbole no matter how much it sounds it.

Bam is counting on packing the SCotUS when he would not allow us to seat justices under Bush they are playing for keeps and "retaking the Kultur" is likely a 12 year job if we got all hard 6s....

it may be better to migrate to a region and get ready for the schism they so obviously want.

Barry thinks he is gonna steal a quadrillion bucks worth of energy resources if I don't miss my guess.

I say "no."

I plan to stare at the water for a day or two next week and decide some things.

471

 Yeah, 'cause attacking your fellow human beings, your fellow American citizens, marginalizing and alienating, dehumanizing and demeaning them... has been working out so very well!

 wrt messaging: combined with your incorrect -at best, incomplete- premises and assumptions, there's a reason why Romney's comments about the '47%' (now, at 49%) resonated so strongly...and so negatively. wrt his response, and that of most conservative attitudes toward the poor in this nation? Let's just say that you aren't telling folks how they'll be included in any re-newed economic activity after your policies are enacted.

 You've left them out. You don't even address them as fellow human beings, let alone as fellow citizens, with all of the rights and priveliges thereto. Then, you marginalize them by attacking them. You then dehumanize them. In your own words, they're welfare addicted, drug addicted, drunken, lazy and irresponsible, which are among the less colorful epithets used by everyone from your leadership to average conservative voters. Then, you wonder why most of that 47% won't vote for you and your candidates or policies? It's beyond your comprehension? The beatings will continue until morale improves? What are you thinking? It's not them. It's you: Your premise and 'messaging' are... counter-productive, unethical and morally suspect, at best.

 

 

 

472 ...to me; Repubs lose because they allow their enemies to define them. Mitt Romney seems like just an amazing guy 2 me. Helps his neighbors, colleagues, community-"rich dick" Gingrich-handed his wife divorce papers while she's hooked up 2 chemo. Palin- "i can see Russia, from my front steps". "Bush hates black people" I first noticed it with Ashcroft; i mean the guy seemed like the kind  of guy u'd dream of your daughter marrying-not in obbamma-world. 

473 476 WB,

You know what's funny....you harp on and on about evil Mitt and the47% and you don't even have the whole speech the context was he was saying the 47% are under attack by the fed and trapped...

whatever enjoy Obama I will.

Have a day bud.

474 Oh and Warren....

I crawled out of the ooze.

Fuck 'em they are able bodied they need to fucking work and if they can't find work at what the government calls minimum fucking wage maybe they need to be pissed at the government and not the politicians who are not selling them a fucking lie about economics.

This country left its balls somewhere.

I'm an American and we're supposed to do MIGHTY THINGS not argue over OBAMFO....

if those assholes are the future I want a divorce.

475 Fing thank you. Duh rush, duh.

476 Take back Education then Journalism, and finally Media, and do it in that order. It took liberals over 100 years to co-opt those so it will take time to get them back.

477 #14; #481 and others in between: YES, YES! to taking back education! I am a teacher who has personally witnessed, the left-wing teaching of American History, Social Studies, Civics (which is being cancelled by many schools), etc. All problems in the world are caused by the evil U.S., doncha know? It is disgusting. We have to teach Civics, American history AT HOME in order to counteract the propaganda they are hearing at school. Better yet, get your children and grandchildren out of the public schools.

478 Well, Ace....before you write about the Culture War, remember that the term "culture" begins with "cult." Yup. It's religious at its core. So there is some hope.

479 482-

You're very right about the teaching of history. The characterization of the late 1800s as the "gilded age" full of evil capitalists who abused everyone until the enlightened progressives shut them down in the early 1900s needs to stop.

It goes further. I read a lot of Supreme Court decisions. Took a course on Constitutional history at college. The most hated recent SC decision? Lochner v. US (1905?) which restricted the state's right to regulate contracts between employers and employees. Universally reviled among constitutional academics. Not a word about Bakke v. Regents or this recent Florida v. HHS, in which the law was blatantly misrepresented.

Even at the college level, we do NOT teach people enough about the ethos of the founders. I had to get into some high level honors and political science majors only courses before we began talking about Locke, Montesquieu, the social contract, etc. Only had one class where we actually read (some of) the Federalist Papers. Its almost impossible to get through to people about how badly warped our government has become, because they don't know that it has been or is supposed to be any different!

480 Ace is starting to sound like Karl Marx ... not that there is anything wrote with that.

481 Get the teevee out of your life. The passive medium chips at your brain as long as you're within earshot.

482 Look, when you see movies like Fight CLub, you know that it is all about anarchy. If you are educated and smart, you get this, but the kids today? Well, they just think it's cool. They don't realize that they are being spoon fed hardcore philosophical ideas that are anti-freedom, anti-civilization, and quite frankly, anti-human. Kids are also taught hardcore leftist ideas in the classrooms day in and day out. Howard Zinn, the completely out of the closet (and now very dead) socialist, is what is used in every single public school History class today. If you want to shape young minds, then you need to be in a position to teach young minds. We have turned the schools over to the left for the past 30 years, so yeah, the kids believe this crap. Take back the schools. Take 'em back, and start paying close attention to the BS that your kids are being taught every single day.

483

For all that he's a jerk and borderline anti-Semite, Pat Buchanan called the culture war in 1992, and everyone dumped on him for speaking the truth.

So, 20 years, almost a whole generation later, conservatives start to notice.  Probably too late, but what the hell.

484

Posted by: rockmom at November 16, 2012 05:42 PM (NYnoe)

 

Those are some really good ideas.

485 They are teaching Howard Zinn in Texas now? I thought that they were focusing on creationism

486 So in the year of Our Lord 2012, Rush Limbaugh and conservative others have come to the earth-shattering conclusion that the culture might have something to do with where we are today.  Wow, what an epiphany! 

The insular stupidity of conservative 'leadership' manifested by the egotistical bombast of the Rush Limbaugh's of our conservative world couldn't be more damn obvious than it is today.

All through this election season, conservative Talking Heads groaned on endlessly about Reagan and 1980 and compared Obama to Jimmy Carter, seemingly oblivious to the fact that 30 plus years have passed since that time and that the American electorate is now a very different animal indeed. 

Conservatives have no one but themselves to blame for the devolution of our Republic.  They have been stupid, gutless, self-absorbed, and down right lazy, thinking all they have ever had to do was make sure the right guy/gal got elected. 

Well, golly gee, boys and girls, a few cultural changes have been going on through the years.  Duh!  During Reagan's reign, while conservatives were gleefully rubbing their hands together thinking victory was theirs, the Left was very very busy digging away in the cultural trenches shaping the electoral mindset and laying the groundwork for a progressive coup d'etat.

We have lost major media outlets.  We have lost academia.  We are losing primary and secondary school systems.  And STILL, conservatives focus on the next election, the next candidate.

Well, good luck with that losing strategy.  Continue to sit on the cultural sidelines, bitching, griping, and endlessly complaining while doing absolutely nothing to influence, shape, and strike back at the progressive poison infusing the American cultural psyche.  It's what we really do best.

487 There is no reason there can't be more movies with conservative themes, e.g., the government is the bad guy, not America/capitalism.

488

This is right on. But changing the culture has to mean more than changing Hollywood or teaching young people how bad Cuba is. The real problem is that we've stopped handing on western civilization. We've stopped teaching our children to read great books. We've stopped teaching them logic and clear writing.

Rush is right that culture is not just an extension of ideology. There is nothing ideological in itself about teaching people to read Shakespeare. An engagement with culture can't be a thinly-veiled ideological ploy or it loses all credibility. Hell, we'd be a lot better off if we had liberals who'd soaked in the classics, rather than the current Yahoos of Cool who think that Margaret Atwood is a great writer and Cornel West a great thinker.

But conservatism only convinces people who can know that the world is complicated and life is hard and can look, as Bastiat says, past the seen to what is unseen. Some of you got that ability without great literature, etc. But old fashioned liberal education is a tried-and-true way of deepening the bench.

The core of the problem is with our K-12 disaster. (Never ever vote for a bond issue to support the public schools!) I look at high-school textbooks my grandparents' generation studied and the graduate students I taught for many years couldn't handle them. We have to avoid looking at the results of modern education, and concluding that "ordinary people" aren't capable of much. As I mentioned on another post, Shakespeare was beloved of "trappers, cowboys, miners, outlaws, proper ladies, prostitutes and Army officers" as one author put it.

More extensive conservative support for homeschooling (including legal action is states that try to exclude it) and classical-education primary schools is a start. That might mean contributing to such schools even if you don't have kids there, or funding assistance groups to help homeschooling parents with materials, teaching advice, and guidance on "subcontracting" subjects the parents can't quite handle (math, in my case, which I last studied in the dark ages when all the courses had different names).

Finding attractive ways to market liberal education to those who have been failed by the schools is another need. New technologies are opening a lot of new possibilities for this. It doesn't have to come packaged in a four-year degree program.

This has to be a longterm commitment of the conservative movement. It won't win the next election. But winning the next election won't save us or our children and grandchildren if the culture isn't changed. And it has to be done on the premise that traditional liberal education is valuable for its own sake, not as a mask for ideology. The Greeks and Romans and Shakespeare and company will shape conservative souls even if they don't all come to hold conservative beliefs. As I said, we could use a better class of liberals anyway.

489

Shakespeare was beloved by all those folks in the Old West, that is.

Also, I'm old enough to remember Conservatism Before Reagan. The old traditionalists worried and thought a lot about culture, before they were sidelined by the politics-and-policy emphasis sparked by the Reagan victories. Try out Russell Kirk and (especially) Richard Weaver (Ideas Have Consequences, Vision of Order) sometime.

490 pop culture sells...capitalism in it's purest form has neither soul, conscience, nor morals.....that's the problem