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April 19, 2012

Russian Bog-Mummy From WWII? Yes Please
— Ace

This is old (the forum I got it from dates it from 2009), but it's new to me.

Certain natural conditions produce natural mummification -- cold, dry air. Desert air (which is dry and cold at night).

Bogs do too. A combination of acid in the water (which I guess doesn't support the bacteria and bugs which would decompose a body) and lack of air.

Bogs are wetlands covered with decomposing plant life and they are abundant in our Northern Hemisphere. The lack of air below the surface makes it ideal for preserving corpses. The water is acidic and the decomposition process is very slow.
Bodies of human's preserved in bogs have been found all over Northwestern Europe; namely Britain, Denmark, Northern Germany and the Netherlands. Some of these bodies date back to 8,000 B.C.
During the Roman Iron Age many of these bodies were and dumped in the bogs after military victories, or for punishment for violent crimes, including homosexuality. Some of these bodies were sacrificed as a cure for illness and many of these once living individuals died a violent death.

On February 1, 1943, a Hurricane piloted by a Russian Lieutenant was shot down by a Nazi pilot and crashed into a bog.

The plane, and his well-preserved body, has been recovered. Mild Content Warning for a Russian Mummy from WW2.

More on bog mummies from Archaeology.org.

Thanks to Walrus Rex.

I'll add some Uncategorizable Trivia.

You know in Raiders of the Lost Ark? When you see that picture of the Ark of the Covenant? When Indy says, "I've got a picture of it here in this book"?

From Here, from where you can buy the print

That drawing is by the great, and, sadly, recently late Ralph McQuarrie ( he died last month), but seems directly derived from an old Gustav Dore drawing in an illustrated Bible. He was a 19th century French artist. Illustrated a lot of classics, like The Raven.

From this site

And check out Old Gustav's close-up depiction of the Ark. Look familiar?

From here

Many of you probably already knew this. I didn't. So, it's old, but again, it's new to me.

War is how American learn about geography, and Raiders is how I learn about the Bible.

"Didn't you guys ever go to Sunday School?"

No, Indy, I didn't. Stop trying to make me feel like a dick.

Maybe I Should Have Gone To Sunday School: Gustav's depiction is pretty much derived straight from Exodus, which is pretty specific about what the Ark looks like.

Posted by: Ace at 08:54 AM | Comments (124)
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1 And it's good for the complexion, too.

Posted by: Helen Thomas at April 19, 2012 08:56 AM (l5eR8)

2 I wonder what 10,000 year old dog would taste like.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 19, 2012 08:59 AM (SY2Kh)

If I sue you and win, do I get a free subscription?

And I want that print as part of the deal...Framed.

Posted by: HH at April 19, 2012 09:01 AM (KB0hv)

4 Drop one of these babies into Yemen. Even if it makes it look like we are taking sides in a civil war, as though we care about what it looks like, drop it. Put a big sign on it that says, "Do Not Open!", and we should be in the clear.

Posted by: And Irresolute at April 19, 2012 09:01 AM (RC3M9)

5 Bogs have a particular chemical makeup - I remember as a boyscout hiking through a bog with beat up dirty reebok sneakers. At the end of the hike upon exiting the bog, while not "brand new" looking by any means, the chemicals in the bog did in fact clean and whiten the shoes.

Posted by: E.M. August at April 19, 2012 09:02 AM (zeBNm)

6 And in a related story: A BRITISH farmer says a lost squadron of Spitfires has lain buried in Burma since the end of World War II and he has plans to recover them and get them airborne. David Cundall, 62, who has devoted 15 years of his life to find the planes and spent Â£130,000 of his money, visited Burma 12 times, persuaded the country's secretive regime to trust him, and all the time sought testimony from a dwindling band of veterans in order to locate the Spitfires. Mr Cundall said the Spitfires would have been buried as they had been shipped, still in their crates. They would have been waxed, wrapped in greased paper and their joints tarred, to protect them against the elements. The first step was to place advertisements in magazines, trying to find soldiers who buried Spitfires. He regularly visited Burma, slowly building friendly relations with its military junta. Finally, he found the Spitfires, at a location that is being kept a secret. Mr Cundall said: ''We sent a borehole down and used a camera to look at the crates. They seemed to be in good condition.'' In August 1945, the Mark XIV aeroplanes, with Rolls-Royce Griffon engines instead of the earlier Merlins, were put in crates and transported from the factory in Castle Bromwich, in the West Midlands, to Burma. However, the Spitfires were deemed not needed. The war was in its final months and fighting was increasingly confined to ''island-hopping'' to clear the Japanese of their remaining strongholds in the Pacific. Land-based Spitfires, as opposed to a carrier-based variant, Seafires, did not have the required range. The order was given to bury 12 Spitfires without even unpacking them. It is possible that a further eight Spitfires were then buried in December 1945, bringing the potential total to 20. Ground radar images showed that inside the crates were Spitfires with their wings packed alongside the fuselages. The Britons want to work to restore as many of the 20 Spitfires as possible and get them flying. There are only about 35 flying in the world. The final obstacle to recovering the Spitfires, however, is political: international sanctions forbid the movement of military materials in and out of Burma, and it was also feared the Burmese government would not allow any foreign excavations. However, because of the new, reforming stance of the Burmese government, the sanctions on movement of military material will be lifted on April 23. With the help of Prime Minister David Cameron and his visit to Burma, a deal is being negotiated and hopes are high that it will conclude with Thein Sein, the President of Burma, soon granting permission for the dig.

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 19, 2012 09:02 AM (i6RpT)

7 I don't know why, but natural mummification fascinates me. Everytime there's something on the Discovery Channel about Otzi the Iceman, I have to watch it.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 19, 2012 09:02 AM (4df7R)

8
For second I thought you said "Russian Dog-Mummy"

Posted by: SCOAMF at April 19, 2012 09:03 AM (eXigD)

9 That baby mammoth the Russians pulled out of the permafrost could be some good eating. The only question is, what style BBQ do we use?

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy aka st tits at April 19, 2012 09:05 AM (IArc9)

10 Crystal Skull is how I learn about sadness and pain.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 19, 2012 09:07 AM (Sh42X)

11 And check out Old Gustav's close-up depiction of the Ark. Look familiar?

Many of you probably already knew this. I didn't. So, it's old, but again, it's new to me.

Sorry, but what am I supposed to be clueing in on here? Just that it looks like the movie prop? Is that supposed to be surprising, considering they used the same guy's art in the movie?

Posted by: red sweater at April 19, 2012 09:07 AM (Xwgt3)

12 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 19, 2012 09:08 AM (8y9MW)

13 "Didn't you guys ever go to Sunday School?" Coming from someone who's father bitchslapped him for blasphemy.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 19, 2012 09:08 AM (u7dxO)

14 All of the pictures of the ark should look like that. That is how it is described in the bible.

Posted by: Vic at April 19, 2012 09:08 AM (YdQQY)

15 >>>And check out Old Gustav's close-up depiction of the Ark. Look familiar?

Well the OT is pretty specific on what it looked like.

Exodus 25

10 Â“Have them make an ark of acacia woodÂ—two and a half cubits long, a cubit and a half wide, and a cubit and a half high. 11 Overlay it with pure gold, both inside and out, and make a gold molding around it. 12 Cast four gold rings for it and fasten them to its four feet, with two rings on one side and two rings on the other. 13 Then make poles of acacia wood and overlay them with gold. 14 Insert the poles into the rings on the sides of the ark to carry it. 15 The poles are to remain in the rings of this ark; they are not to be removed. 16 Then put in the ark the tablets of the covenant law, which I will give you.

17 Â“Make an atonement cover of pure goldÂ—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. 18 And make two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 19 Make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends. 20 The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover. 21 Place the cover on top of the ark and put in the ark the tablets of the covenant law that I will give you. 22 There, above the cover between the two cherubim that are over the ark of the covenant law, I will meet with you and give you all my commands for the Israelites.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 19, 2012 09:09 AM (0q2P7)

16 I walked into a peat bog once during turkey season in the early spring and sank up to my waist.

Posted by: slatz at April 19, 2012 09:09 AM (igH9j)

17 no

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 19, 2012 09:09 AM (0q2P7)

18 The picture of the Russian pilot made me sad.

His mother went to her grave wondering where her boy was.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2012 09:09 AM (UOM48)

19 Ummm... yes, ace: both of those depictions of the Ark itself come directly from descriptions in the Bible. While we may not know exactly, 100% what it looked like, we can get really, really, really close.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 19, 2012 09:09 AM (8y9MW)

20 So, the acid doesn't do more damage than the bacteria?

Posted by: red sweater at April 19, 2012 09:09 AM (Xwgt3)

21 10 This sounds like excellent fodder for a B-movie.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 19, 2012 01:04 PM (v+QvA)

Hmmm... the Mummy 4? Return of the Communist?

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2012 09:09 AM (lZBBB)

22 Russian Lieutenant was shot down by a Nazi pilot Note the subtle respect shown for the commie. Not the 'Communist Lt.' or perhaps 'German Lt.'

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at April 19, 2012 09:10 AM (UU0OF)

23 >>>Exodus 25 You can get that stuff at Home Depot, right?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 19, 2012 09:11 AM (u7dxO)

24 Lassie is how I learned about friendship and dietary needs.

Posted by: B Hussein Obama at April 19, 2012 09:11 AM (Sh42X)

25 War is how American learn about geography, and Raiders is how I learn about the Bible.

We need to declare war on the moon. I've been meaning to learn more about it for some time.

Posted by: red sweater at April 19, 2012 09:12 AM (Xwgt3)

26 Hmmm... the Mummy 4? Return of the Communist? Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2012 01:09 PM (lZBBB) Most Russian Soldiers, who were not commissars, were mostly just patriotic russians who were fighting to save Mother Russia.

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 19, 2012 09:12 AM (i6RpT)

27 Re: 19 I ask again, "Didn't you guys go to Sunday School?"

Posted by: Indy, still making Ace feel like a dick at April 19, 2012 09:12 AM (nj1bB)

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 19, 2012 01:02 PM (i6RpT)

Sort of on the same topic. Years ago, in Arizona, some guy wayyy the hell out in the desert was using a metal detector around some long abandoned adobe ruins. He got a hit on one corner. Started digging.

Came up with a crate of 1860's army carbines. Each wrapped in oilcloth. They were mint. I think he donated half to a museum and kept the rest.

Just a story I remember reading in the paper while growing up in Tucson.

Posted by: HH at April 19, 2012 09:13 AM (KB0hv)

29 "Didn't you guys go to Sunday School?" Posted by: Indy, still making Ace feel like a dick at April 19, 2012 01:12 PM (nj1bB) Does being dropped off in front and sneaking into the gym count?

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 19, 2012 09:13 AM (i6RpT)

30 >>>Exodus 25

You can get that stuff at Home Depot, right?>>

No You get Exodus 25 from the pharmacy It's a colon cleanser.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 19, 2012 09:14 AM (tf9Ne)

24 So, the acid doesn't do more damage than the bacteria?

It's not a strong enough 'acid' to do damage. ....It keeps the bacteria count down, which prevents the decay of organic tissue.

Posted by: wheatie at April 19, 2012 09:14 AM (+5U+B)

32 I wonder what a bog mummy would feel like on my penis.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 19, 2012 09:15 AM (Bdr7Q)

Maybe I should change my nic...

Posted by: Bog Mummy AJ (formerly Mama AJ) at April 19, 2012 09:15 AM (XdlcF)

34 I ask again, "Didn't you guys go to Sunday School?"

Posted by: Indy, still making Ace feel like a dick at April 19, 2012 01:12 PM (nj1bB)

Yes I did but I was too busy looking at the girl who "blossomed early" to pay attention to the blathering from the teacher.

Posted by: Hedgehog at April 19, 2012 09:15 AM (3jGS1)

35
Medgar Evers.

Buried for 28 years, then exumed for purposes of a criminal investigation.

Most of you are aware of this story, but if you're not aware, watch this 4 minute vid. You'll like it.

"The body looked like it had only been dead a day or two."
--Medical examiner

Great story. Watch the linked vid. Now. Do it.

http://tinyurl.com/cz4dme7

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 19, 2012 09:15 AM (G/zuv)

36 Oh, bad timing for my comment.

Posted by: Bayou Mummy AJ (formerly Mama AJ) at April 19, 2012 09:15 AM (XdlcF)

37 I remember how when I was a kid, Lolo would cook up some tasty Russian Bog Mummy for when I got home from the mosque. Man, that kneeling and head bumping made me hungry.

Posted by: Barky O'Genius at April 19, 2012 09:16 AM (QKKT0)

38 @36 / @37

You couldn't have juxtaposed those any better if you'd tried.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 19, 2012 09:16 AM (8y9MW)

39 I've seen the movies - bog zombies are not to be sneered at. Sure they're slow but they're also very durable. Like finely aged Corinthian leather.

Posted by: Mætenloch at April 19, 2012 09:17 AM (+B3Nr)

"many of these once living individuals died a violent death."

Made me chuckle. Thanks for clearing up that they weren't always dead, Yahoo.

Posted by: CJ at April 19, 2012 09:17 AM (9KqcB)

41 Bummer...Jonathan Frid has died.

http://t.co/bzKipazc

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at April 19, 2012 09:18 AM (XXy2R)

42 "Better" is not the word I want to use, Allen.

Posted by: Bayou Mummy AJ (formerly Mama AJ) at April 19, 2012 09:18 AM (XdlcF)

43 >>>Sorry, but what am I supposed to be clueing in on here? Just that it looks like the movie prop? Is that supposed to be surprising, considering they used the same guy's art in the movie? you are missing it. They used Ralph McQuarrie's art in the movie. What I'm pointing out is that McQuarrie based this on a 19th century artist named Gustave Dore. If you don't like it, fine. I did call it "Trivia." Trivia is not typically defined as "of momentous import."

Posted by: ace at April 19, 2012 09:18 AM (nj1bB)

44 The Ark is described in the Bible thusly: Exodus 25 17 Make an atonement cover of pure goldÂ—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. 18 And make two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 19 Make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends. 20 The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover. And: Exodus 37 1 Bezalel made the ark of acacia woodÂ—two and a half cubits long, a cubit and a half wide, and a cubit and a half high.[a] 2 He overlaid it with pure gold, both inside and out, and made a gold molding around it. 3 He cast four gold rings for it and fastened them to its four feet, with two rings on one side and two rings on the other. 4 Then he made poles of acacia wood and overlaid them with gold. 5 And he inserted the poles into the rings on the sides of the ark to carry it. 6 He made the atonement cover of pure goldÂ—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. 7 Then he made two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 8 He made one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; at the two ends he made them of one piece with the cover. 9 The cherubim had their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim faced each other, looking toward the cover. The artists come up with similar outputs because they are working from the same source material.

Posted by: blaster at April 19, 2012 09:19 AM (7vSU0)

45
oh, and alternate post title:

Russian Bog-Mummy From WWII? I Have A Bad Feeling About This

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 19, 2012 09:19 AM (G/zuv)

46 "Better" is not the word I want to use, Allen.

But it's the word the rest of us want to use.
C'mon- admit it- you laughed.

Trivia is not typically defined as "of momentous import."

Heretic!

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 19, 2012 09:20 AM (8y9MW)

"Exodus 25"

After all the invioices I wrote, I swore I saw "Net 30, 2% in 10 days" at the end of that.

And "Shipping: best way. FOB - Jerusalem."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 19, 2012 09:20 AM (d0Tfm)

48 I wonder what a bog mummy would feel like on my penis.

Probably somewhat annoyed.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 19, 2012 09:21 AM (WF7PX)

49 52 I wonder what a bog mummy would feel like on my penis.

Probably somewhat annoyed.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 19, 2012 01:21 PM (WF7PX

heh

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2012 09:22 AM (UOM48)

50 If you don't like it, fine. I did call it "Trivia." Trivia is not typically defined as "of momentous import."

Didn't say I didn't like it. (But if that's all there is, maybe I am saying that.) I just was wondering if I was, in fact, "missing it."

Posted by: red sweater at April 19, 2012 09:23 AM (Xwgt3)

51 The drawings in Ian Holm's book (in The Fifth Element) resemble the Dore engravings as well.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 19, 2012 09:23 AM (i0App)

52 oh, and alternate post title:

C'mon Sooth- you missed the obvious?

"Russian Bog Mummy from WWII? - 'Mummies. Why did it have to be mummies?'"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 19, 2012 09:23 AM (8y9MW)

Hey, if I couldn't laugh at myself, I'll laugh a heck of a lot less.

Link to annoying Europeans being annoying: calling WWII the "European civil war":

http://bit.ly/J8BoNH

Posted by: Bayou Mummy AJ (formerly Mama AJ) at April 19, 2012 09:23 AM (XdlcF)

54 45 Bummer...Jonathan Frid has died. http://t.co/bzKipazc Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at April 19, 2012 01:18 PM (XXy2R) Well, as sad as that is, it's probably for the best. If he'd lived to see the end result of Tim Burton fucking with Dark Shadows he'd have been pissed.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at April 19, 2012 09:23 AM (qFpRI)

55 "Hey, Ishmael, don't forget the "This End Up" and "Open with Care" stickers!"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 19, 2012 09:24 AM (d0Tfm)

56 All that gold would give fantastic conductivity. Maybe a holographic projection was to appear above the lid at the spot where the cherubim were gazing, or maybe just a voice was to resonate there. Sure seems like technology. Can't imagine a god needing tech to do a little meeting up. Burning bush, makes sense to get someones attention and give them a reference point, but a gold box? (cue Twilight Zone music ...)

Posted by: And Irresolute at April 19, 2012 09:24 AM (RC3M9)

"Trivia is not typically defined as "of momentous import."

So my Bachelors Degree in Trivia isn't worth shit?

Fine! Guess I'll just join the re-elect Obama campaign.

Sheesh...

Posted by: HH at April 19, 2012 09:24 AM (KB0hv)

58 Have they cloned any of those frozen mammoths yet?

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 19, 2012 09:24 AM (rND5e)

59 Yes Ace,

If you ever wondered why 2 dudes could lift the cover, or 4 dudes could carry the thing, it's because, as per design spec, it was made of wood and only covered in gold.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 19, 2012 09:24 AM (0q2P7)

60 Ark of the Covenant delivered to Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago with "Do Not Open Until Election" sign.

Hilarity ensues.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2012 09:24 AM (UOM48)

61 But I guess my non-excitement by virtue of the fact that I did go to Sunday school is just dickishness.

Posted by: red sweater at April 19, 2012 09:24 AM (Xwgt3)

62 ink to annoying Europeans being annoying: calling WWII the "European civil war":

Oh geez. Do we, once again, have to point out that there is no such thing as "a European?" Where's Monty when you need him?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 19, 2012 09:25 AM (8y9MW)

63 Then there's the belief that the Ark is kept in some obscure Coptic church in Ethiopia . . .

Posted by: logprof at April 19, 2012 09:26 AM (ykSKg)

64 Oh geez. Do we, once again, have to point out that there is no such thing as "a European?"

Sure there is. When you feel the pool getting warmer, European.

Posted by: red sweater at April 19, 2012 09:27 AM (Xwgt3)

65 Did someone set the "age" setting on the blog to 12?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 19, 2012 09:27 AM (8y9MW)

66 Then there's the belief that the Ark is kept in some obscure Coptic church in Ethiopia . . . Posted by: logprof at April 19, 2012 01:26 PM (ykSKg) Yup that would be the place I'd hide it? \

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 19, 2012 09:28 AM (i6RpT)

67 I wonder what a bog mummy would feel like on my penis.Posted by: Empire of Jeff

Still hungry!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at April 19, 2012 09:28 AM (Ck8hC)

68 Honey wheat bread + roasted cocker spaniel + harvati cheese + pesto = one helluva sandwich.

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 19, 2012 09:28 AM (XxAYS)

69 Much lower.

Posted by: Insulted 12 year old at April 19, 2012 09:28 AM (XdlcF)

Posted by: logprof at April 19, 2012 01:26 PM (ykSKg)

Not obscure any more, with NatGeo and the History Channel talking about it.

Posted by: HH at April 19, 2012 09:29 AM (KB0hv)

71 Now that's a hot MILF!

Posted by: Zombie Rock Hudson at April 19, 2012 09:29 AM (mxnUd)

72 Did someone set the "age" setting on the blog to 12?

Yes, I believe it was set that way in 2004 or so.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 19, 2012 09:29 AM (SY2Kh)

73 And in case you think maybe the Ark is a made up story, in Exodus 37 you also read: 17 They made the lampstand of pure gold. They hammered out its base and shaft, and made its flowerlike cups, buds and blossoms of one piece with them. 18 Six branches extended from the sides of the lampstandÂ—three on one side and three on the other. 19 Three cups shaped like almond flowers with buds and blossoms were on one branch, three on the next branch and the same for all six branches extending from the lampstand. 20 And on the lampstand were four cups shaped like almond flowers with buds and blossoms. 21 One bud was under the first pair of branches extending from the lampstand, a second bud under the second pair, and a third bud under the third pairÂ—six branches in all. 22 The buds and the branches were all of one piece with the lampstand, hammered out of pure gold. Here is a picture of a relief on the Arch of Titus, made about 80 AD, celebrating the sack of the Temple in Jerusalem, with the treasures of Temple being brought back to Rome: http://alturl.com/8pkdy

Posted by: blaster at April 19, 2012 09:29 AM (7vSU0)

74 Did someone set the "age" setting on the blog to 12?

I wish. That would be a great improvement.

Posted by: red sweater at April 19, 2012 09:30 AM (Xwgt3)

75 36 I wonder what a bog mummy would feel like on my penis.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 19, 2012 01:15 PM (Bdr7Q)

Unsatisfied? Loose?

Posted by: Hedgehog at April 19, 2012 09:30 AM (3jGS1)

Okay, after the "great" timing of my first comment and the fact that I almost hit post with the nic saying "insluted 12 year old", I'm starting to think I should get off the computer.

I'll go teach the kids some stuff. What could go wrong??

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 19, 2012 09:30 AM (XdlcF)

77 6 -- Nevergiveup

That's very cool.

Posted by: eleven at April 19, 2012 09:31 AM (KXm42)

78 Did anyone go to "Joy Club"? It was like the neighborhood Protestant version of CCD.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 19, 2012 09:31 AM (u7dxO)

79 Surviving Doolittle Raiders mark 70 years By Dan Sewell - The Associated Press Posted : Thursday Apr 19, 2012 9:48:53 EDT DAYTON, Ohio Â— A flyover by World War II bomber planes, Chinese visitors and a memorial ceremony with four DoolittleÂ’s Raiders helped mark the 70th anniversary of the daring U.S. air attack on Japan. Thousands of people flocked to the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force near Dayton for the events, part of a four-day observance. The four Raiders looked up into blue skies Wednesday as 20 B-25 planes similar to the ones they used flew just before a memorial service that included the placing of a wreath at the memorial here to their mission and the playing of Taps.

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 19, 2012 09:31 AM (i6RpT)

80 Unsatisfied? Loose?

I was thinking tight. But that might just encourage folks around here....

Posted by: red sweater at April 19, 2012 09:31 AM (Xwgt3)

81 78 Posted by: logprof at April 19, 2012 01:26 PM (ykSKg)

Not obscure any more, with NatGeo and the History Channel talking about it.

Posted by: HH at April 19, 2012 01:29 PM (KB0hv)

--Yeah, I think it was History I saw it on about 15 years ago.

Posted by: logprof at April 19, 2012 09:32 AM (ykSKg)

82 Dore is probably most known for his illustrations of Dante's "Divine Comedy", especially the ones from Inferno. And any one who's seen a few goth album covers has seen at least one of his works. They're really pretty fantastic, google them if you've never seen them.

Posted by: Where're my ping pong balls at April 19, 2012 09:33 AM (YxaXw)

83 >>Did someone set the "age" setting on the blog to 12? No, it was the IQ setting.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 19, 2012 09:33 AM (u7dxO)

84 Don't look in the eyes of those in the dead marshes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPrJSRMr2Uc

Posted by: Shiggz RocketSurgeon at April 19, 2012 09:33 AM (RfvTE)

85 Perhaps the tablets contained in the box did have big words, the "Thou shalt.." stuff and all of that, so that the Earth peeps would be able to read the basic rules of the game, but perhaps the entire surface of the "tablets" were etched, as in circuit etching, as in communications/weapon tech. Microwave cookery would do a job on your enemies for sure. Sure is strange to me that faith was not enough and that a very special box was needed as a focal point of the interactions.

Posted by: And Irresolute at April 19, 2012 09:33 AM (RC3M9)

86 Did someone set the "age" setting on the blog to 12?>>>

Why are the jokes getting more adult?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 19, 2012 09:33 AM (tf9Ne)

87 He was a Luftwaffe pilot--very likely not a "Nazi pilot". Most members of the German air force during WWII were not Party members.

It's like saying American pilots during WWII were Democrats. NTTAWWT

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at April 19, 2012 09:33 AM (Dll6b)

88 Interesting in that Gustave's closeup depiction has four wings (Consistent with Ezekiel's description of Cherubs) but not four faces.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 19, 2012 09:33 AM (0q2P7)

89 Posted by: blaster at April 19, 2012 01:29 PM (7vSU0)

The Bible (both Old Testament and New Testament, which are really two very different sets of documents) is about the most verified (archeologically speaking) set of documents from the ancient world. We have far more out sources (that is: people not directly related to the document) for the existence of Jesus than we do (for instance) of Julius Caesar.

For the record.

Which does not actually speak to their internal veracity, just that we know that what we're reading today is what they were reading back then. The veracity of their claims is determined differently.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 19, 2012 09:34 AM (8y9MW)

90 Here is a picture of a relief on the Arch of Titus, made about 80 AD, celebrating the sack of the Temple in Jerusalem, with the treasures of Temple being brought back to Rome:
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The ark was already gone when the Romans got there. It and the treasures in the temple then were carried away when the Babylonians destroyed the temple.

That was the second temple.

Posted by: Vic at April 19, 2012 09:35 AM (YdQQY)

I actually posted a serious comment on the use of ridicule as a political weapon on the last thread and their wasn't a peep.

I toss out one joke about mummy-fucking and a dozen Morons run with it. I fear I'm becoming typecast.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 19, 2012 09:35 AM (Bdr7Q)

@91,78

The NatGeo special on the Ark of the Covenant forwarded the idea....that the Ark was merely a basket.....and that it ended up with a tribe in Africa.

They completely ignored the detailed description of it in the Bible.

Posted by: wheatie at April 19, 2012 09:37 AM (+5U+B)

Most Russian Soldiers, who were not commissars, were mostly just patriotic russians who were fighting to save Mother Russia.

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 19, 2012 01:12 PM (i6RpT)

Hey... we're talkin B grade movie script here... don't let reality get in your way... LOL

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2012 09:37 AM (lZBBB)

94 I fear I'm becoming typecast.

No, we were just thinking you might be embarrassed if we gave you too much attention. We wouldn't want you to stop posting substantive comments. You know. If you feel up to it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 19, 2012 09:37 AM (8y9MW)

95 >>>I fear I'm becoming typecast.

Well you only need two good performances in a row in type and what's done is done.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 19, 2012 09:37 AM (0q2P7)

Jeff, everyone is just giggly after yesterday's never-ending pun-fest.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who nodded sagely at your other comment.

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 19, 2012 09:38 AM (XdlcF)

"Which does not actually speak to their internal veracity, just that we know that what we're reading today is what they were reading back then. The veracity of their claims is determined differently."

We also have to factor in translations. Some languages don't have words to adequately describe things. Fr'instance, IMO, that's how we got the Beast in Revelation. I doubt if there was a word for " electronic machine."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 19, 2012 09:38 AM (d0Tfm)

98 Mummies' penchant for agressive ass play is well documented- which is why Abbott and Costello were always running.

Posted by: Zombie Alistair Cooke at April 19, 2012 09:40 AM (mxnUd)

"I toss out one joke about mummy-fucking and a dozen Morons run with it. I fear I'm becoming typecast."

You expected something different?

Typecasting, it's what's for dinner. Along with dog.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 19, 2012 09:41 AM (d0Tfm)

100

Yes... and coming soon???

The Three Stooges Meet, the Mummy! Guest appearance by Scooby Doo...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2012 09:41 AM (lZBBB)

101 Fr'instance, IMO, that's how we got the Beast in Revelation. I doubt if there was a word for " electronic machine."

I read no more direct imagery into Revelation than I do into most of Ezekiel's (or Isiah's) visions. I don't think we're going to look up in the sky one day and see thousands of Angels fighting a dragon. Sorry.

That said, we have some really excellent translations because (with the exception, I think, of Aramaic) all of the languages of the Bible are still spoken somewhere. Certainly Greek (for the NT) and Hebrew (for the OT) are.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 19, 2012 09:41 AM (8y9MW)

102

Awww, c'mon - nobody's piped up with "What's a cubit?" yet?

It's like I don't know you people.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at April 19, 2012 09:41 AM (0xqzf)

103

Sorry Teresa, I did think of that, but got distracted after my first comment for some reason.

I quote that line about once a week...

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 19, 2012 09:43 AM (XdlcF)

104

"They completely ignored the detailed description of it in the Bible."

Hmmm, don't remember that. However, until PBS does the full story, possibly by Ken Burns with narration by Bill Moyers, then why should we even discuss this?

I mean really...

Posted by: HH at April 19, 2012 09:43 AM (KB0hv)

105 Cubit is old slang for three bits. Two bit is .25 cents; 37 1/2 cents just never caught on.

Posted by: Smarty Pants at April 19, 2012 09:44 AM (mxnUd)

106 punishment for violent crimes, including homosexuality

Damn, them homos didn't play around back then did they?! No wonder the species almost died off.

Posted by: Voluble at April 19, 2012 09:53 AM (c8WV/)

107 >>>The artists come up with similar outputs because they are working from the same source material. but the picture of the Ark radiating power from a distant hill is clearly derived from Dore.

Posted by: ace at April 19, 2012 09:58 AM (nj1bB)

108

Someone at ILM cracked a Bible:

...[A]s wax melts before fire

let the wicked perish before the Lord.

Ps lxviii.2 (RSV, Ignatius Ed.)

Posted by: Stephen at April 19, 2012 10:01 AM (wkR3c)

109 DAYTON, Ohio Â— A flyover by World War II bomber planes, Chinese visitors and a memorial ceremony with four DoolittleÂ’s Raiders helped mark the 70th anniversary of the daring U.S. air attack on Japan.

Thousands of people flocked to the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force near Dayton for the events, part of a four-day observance. The four Raiders looked up into blue skies Wednesday as 20 B-25 planes similar to the ones they used flew just before a memorial service that included the placing of a wreath at the memorial here to their mission and the playing of Taps.

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 19, 2012 01:31 PM (i6RpT)

Did Barry issue an apology to Japan for it?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 19, 2012 10:02 AM (1Jaio)

110
You know what Adolf Galland had to say about the Hawker Hurricane?

"It's a nice airplane to shoot down."

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at April 19, 2012 10:06 AM (7+pP9)

111
And as for the bog environment, the acidity inhibits the growth of aerobic bacteria, the kind that does the most damage to organic matter. Which is why bogs last thousands of years. The tannins in the bog also naturally tan (like leather) animal remains.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at April 19, 2012 10:10 AM (7+pP9)

112 Not too late to go to sunday school...

...my first Bible was illustrated with etchings done by Gustave Dore.

Posted by: sgt. york at April 19, 2012 10:14 AM (FL9pc)

113 "

War is how American learn about geography, and Raiders is how I learn about the Bible.

"Didn't you guys ever go to Sunday School?"

No, Indy, I didn't. Stop trying to make me feel like a dick."

Don't worry, Ace. When I found myself sanctimoniously showing off my 14th Year Sunday School pin from the Methodist Church I grew up in, I found Sunday School can make you a dick too.

Posted by: Wheelmanforhire at April 19, 2012 10:20 AM (l8nIR)

114 "...my first Bible was illustrated with etchings done by Gustave Dore.

Posted by: sgt. york"

Where did you get this Bible and/or ISBN ?

Posted by: Wheelmanforhire at April 19, 2012 10:22 AM (l8nIR)

115 I will consult my resident expert before weighing in on the Dore engravings as direct parent of the Raiders of the Ark image, but it looks close enough to me. There's a reason people spend millions to get exactly the right look to a scene, and having Dore as a model might've been one of those reasons. Some things are timeless. We all still remember the scene, don't we?

Posted by: Curious at April 19, 2012 10:24 AM (hiMsy)

116 Everything I learned about being a scoamf I learned from THE SCOAMF!

Posted by: weird flunky at April 19, 2012 10:24 AM (X+nFp)

117 Guten Tag. MÃ¼de?

Posted by: Kraut Sergeant at April 19, 2012 10:40 AM (TLSOV)

118

" I was too busy looking at the girl who "blossomed early" to pay attention to the blathering from the teacher."

And I went to Youth Group in the evening, where I snuck off with the girl who had "blossomed exuberantly" and had my way with her blossoms. Imagine sunflower-sized.

Posted by: sherlock at April 19, 2012 10:51 AM (s0hlt)

119

The second picture of the female milk cows carrying it in a cart is from the book of Judges in the Bible. Over 50,000 Hebrews died the day it was brought back from the Philistines, since they opened it up and looked inside.

Pretty tragic, but they weres still pretty happy to have it back anyway.

Just read that the other day my self. On a Bible reading plan with church and my Sunday School class, unlike some people...

Posted by: SnowSun at April 19, 2012 11:14 AM (UAUr6)

120

Doh... 1 Samuel 4 - 6, not Judges. Sorry.

Posted by: SnowSun at April 19, 2012 11:42 AM (UAUr6)

121 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2012 02:17 PM (7W3wI)

122 Bogs are highly preservative from the tannin content in the water and vegetable matter at its bottom. There are high tannin content in a type of solution boiled out of the underbark of oaks that used to be used to tan hides, especially back when leather was used for everything. Whole geographical areas were deforested for oak bark here in the USA.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at April 20, 2012 07:43 AM (okXo7)

123 Hope you know the Israelites were never supposed to carry the ark that way. It was supposed to covered up by the fabric of the Tabernacle (or Tent of Meeting in new translations.) Just so you know!

Posted by: Bill James at April 20, 2012 12:25 PM (3dDca)

124 Excellent blog, thanks for the share. I'll be a regular viewer.

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