May 12, 2012

Sat. Nite Chess Thread 05-12-2012 [OregonMuse]
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Good evening fellow chess nerds. Here it is once again, the Saturday Nite AoSHQ Chess Thread.

(Applause)

More on the Reti position

Last week, I posted a link to a video by Igor and Gleb wherein they talked about the famous study by Reti. This sparked some discussion in the comments, particularly this:


50 Igor and Gleb are wrong about the optical delusion. White wins by
making G3 its first move, then running with the pawn.Try it. Only take
the black pawn if it tries to advance. Black king can't catch the white
pawn.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at May 05, 2012 08:55 PM (kTTUz)

Alec claims he has found a cook in Reti's study. In a subsequent comment, he clarified his remarks further: 'I'm assuming that black moves first and goes to b2, as in the video. THEN white makes g3 its first move.'

So let's take a look.

Igor and Gleb confused things a bit by reversing the colors of the original study. I'm not sure why they thought that was necessary, but I am going to confuse things even more by reversing their reversal:

Reti study 1921c-small.jpg

This is how the original study appeared. The White King starts out on h8 and the idea is for White to centralize by marching down along the diagonal and from the central squares, the King is in a position to either run down the fleeing pawn or to support his own pawn.

However, Alec says no, this falls short, Black can win by first moving his King to b6 and then running the pawn. White does not have time to catch it. But isn't this idea what Igor and Gleb ran through in the second part of their video? Let's see how this works out:

1. Kg7 Kb6
2. Kf6 h4

This is, I think, the position that Alec was looking at when he determined that White was busted. Of course, if 2... Kxc6, then 3. Kg5, the pawn can't escape, and it's a draw. So

3. Ke5

Now Alec says Black should advance the pawn. But, as we will see, White can neutralize this.

3........h3
4. Kd6 h2
5. c7 h1=Q
6. c8=Q

So there you are. Both sides promote their pawns simultaneously, and Black has no tactical trick up his sleeve to force a quick win. The position is drawn.

Ke5 is the key move for White. White's King has to stay centralized until Black chooses to commit himself to either pushing the pawn or capturing the White pawn.
Game of the Week

This week's famous chess game (submitted by moron miamibeatfsu) is Polugaevsky v Nezhmetdinov, 1958. Black skillfully pries the White King out from his hidey hole and chases him down to the opposite edge of the board. A delightful queen sac seals White's fate.



You can play through it yourself here


Chess Books That Should Be Updated (1st in a series)

Many chess books have been written over the years, and it's amazing how well many of them still hold up decade after decade, and can be read and studied profitably today. Of course, it would help these books tremendously if the move notation was updated, too, rather than just reprinted. Some of the old classic chess books have been updated in just this fashion, but others, regrettably have not. I will be posting an entry from my personal "should be updated to algebraic" list each week until I run out.

Let's start with Bronstein's classic collection 200 Open Games. I've always liked this book. Bronstein is whimsical, funny, and yet informative. His writing style makes me wish I had known him.

You morons are encouraged to submit your candidates for the "should be updated" list as I'm sure there are classics I've overlooked.

'Annotate like a moron' contest

This may or may not work, depending on the response I get. What I'd like is for you to pick one your own games, or a classic game, and annotate if in the finest moron style you can manage. I will post the funniest ones, or, if I only get a few responses, I may post them all.

(I have a feeling this is going to bomb, but we'll see.)


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1 Anyone know where a man can view naked chicks on the internet?

Posted by: Lord Monochromicorn at May 12, 2012 01:52 PM (sw9Gv)

2 Posted by: Lord Monochromicorn at May 12, 2012 05:52 PM (sw9Gv) ------ Be careful what you ask for, someone emailed me a link to some "horizontal portraits" that Frank Marshall Davis allegedly took (I still need more brain bleach).

Posted by: Toaster at May 12, 2012 02:07 PM (sJKFk)

3 Oh, that Bronstein book is GREAT! Here's a game I enjoyed. Attracted a crowd as the Shit Got Real. Feb 18, 1978 Kimes Strengwilk 1 e4 c5 2 d4 cd 3 c3 Nf6 There are SO many ways to lose if you accept the gambit - better to decline unless you know Smith-Morra defenses inside and out. 4 e5 Nd5 5 Q:d4 e6 6 Nf3 Nc6 7 Qe4 f5 8 Qe2 ... looks weird but it's normal to develop the bishop at g2 in this opening. Black's dancing K-Knight changed that later. 8 ... Qc7 9 Nbd2 Nf4 10 Qe3 Ng6 11 Nc4 b6 12 Bd3 Bc5 13 Qe2 0-0 14 h4 ... DIE! 14 ... Ba6 15 Ng5 B:c4 16 Qh5 ... DIE!! Ignores the piece recapture AND hangs a center pawn that can be captured with tempo. This is a fun game. 16 ... Q:e5+ 17 Be3 Rf6 18 Q:h7+ Kf8 19 B:c4 B:e3 Well, that does it. After I recapture his queen will run amuck - my punishment for leaving my king in the center. 20 0-0! ... Probably the most surprising move I've ever played. Nobody saw that one coming. 20 ... B:g5 21 hg Rf7 22 Q:g6 Ke7 Now MY king is threatened on the R file. 23 Rfe1 ...Now HIS king is stuck in the center. 23 ... Rh8 24 Rad1 Qh2+ 25 Kf1 Kf8 26 B:e6 de 27 R:e6 Qh5? The losing move. He had to give the silly looking check with Q:h1+ first. But he thought the Q exchange was forced so why move my K to a better position for the endgame? 28 Re8+! ... DIE!!! 28 ... K:e8 29 Q:c6+ Ke7 30 Rd7+ Kf8 31 Qe8 MATE ---------- Back to the Bronstein book. One of the crazy great ideas in there is this Petroff line. 1 e4 e5, 2 Nf3 Nf6, 3 N:e5 d6, 4 N:f7!? ... The great concept is that white DOES NOT proceed with a mad dog king attack with moves like Bc4+. Instead, white follows up with d4, develops, castles, and pushes the center pawns down black's throat for a slow, grinding attack. The tactical shot is that after 4 ... K:f7 5 d4 black can't play N:e4 because he loses the piece (or gets mated) after Qh5+!

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at May 12, 2012 02:07 PM (5H1lG)

4 Is this secret code for a link to something interesting?

Posted by: ArchieB at May 12, 2012 02:32 PM (R/Q+o)

5

Awesome, I get to be the subject of a post on my very favorite moron blog (my home page actually). Now I can happily lose any number of chess games.

Which reminds me of a game my brother and I made up when we were kids: who could lose all their pieces first? I'm sure we weren't the first to try this, but it's actually a pretty fun game. The basic rule is, if the other player CAN take one of your pieces, he HAS to take one of your pieces, always moving according to the usual rules.

Compared to normal Chess, this "backwards Chess" plays very fast, and at times it can actually be as tricky as frontwards chess. You're trying to lead your opponent around the board destroying your pieces. It's kind of like a cross between Chess and pool, where once your opponent gets off the leash, he gets to lead you around as you each try to run the table, sinking one of your pieces after another.

Good for kids and impatient adults. We started doing it when we were old enough to be able to play a serious game of chess but too competitive with each other to be able to play fast, so it was a good way for us to be able to play a quick game. If you've got a moron handy, give it a try!

Posted by: Alec Rawls at May 12, 2012 02:35 PM (kTTUz)

6 Five comments won't do, lets make it six.

I watched the youtube game, as usual.

Posted by: sTevo at May 12, 2012 02:41 PM (VMcEw)

7 Speaking of weird chess variants... White moves first, black makes 2 moves, white makes 3 moves, black makes 4 moves and so on. If you give check, that's the end of your series of turns. If you're in check, you have to get out of check on the first move of a series.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at May 12, 2012 02:49 PM (5H1lG)

8 Bughouse!!!

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2012 03:08 PM (xm1A1)

9 Love these thanks!

Posted by: Erik Larsen at May 12, 2012 03:13 PM (41TNF)

10 Oh, I love Double Bughouse! (Called Siamese Chess on the west coast) One of the best parts of the big tourmanents was all the siamese games going on after the last round. (only a madman would play siamese BETWEEN rounds - it fries your brain).

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at May 12, 2012 03:23 PM (5H1lG)

11 Both the World Chess Championship and the U.S. Chess Championship are going on these days. You can follow the games in real time at Susan Polgar's blog http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/.

Posted by: GolfBoy at May 12, 2012 03:46 PM (M0ftf)

12 I can't see the board.

Posted by: Julie (also 1/32 Indian) at May 12, 2012 03:49 PM (8jl9D)

13 Here's the FIDE site for the World Championship: http://moscow2012.fide.com/en/ I watched the video of Game 2 this afternoon. Not the most exciting game or the most scintillating TV experience, but it's in HD so you can watch it full screen. Apparently the games are being webcast live, but since they're being played in Moscow, game time is 7:00 am EDT, which isn't so good for me as I'm getting ready for work at that time. Game 3 is Monday morning.

Posted by: rickl at May 12, 2012 03:53 PM (sdi6R)

14 conservative is fucking stupid.

Posted by: ronnie at May 12, 2012 04:02 PM (D7WUx)

15 Here's another famous King hunt. Edward Lasker vs. George Alan Thomas 1912: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1259009 Not only does it feature a Queen sacrifice, but the White King actually delivers the mate by discovered check. You don't see that often.

Posted by: rickl at May 12, 2012 04:22 PM (sdi6R)

16 1. e4 {announces mate in 17} black resigns. 1-0

Posted by: Paul Morphy at May 12, 2012 05:28 PM (cYMja)

17 Are there chess cheerleaders? No? then, I DGAS.

Posted by: Barry S at May 12, 2012 05:40 PM (6oc46)

18 I'm not good, but once in a while I get an opponent who is worse. I played black: 1. d4 d5 {I suck and I'm going to get my ass kicked!} 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Bf4 c5 4.dxc5 e6 {Opening D02 Queen's Bishop game - he clearly knows what he is doing...} 5. e3 Bxc5 {...or not.} 6. Bd3 O-O 7. Qe2 Nc6 {Not do sure about that move, whitey.} 8. Nc3 Re8 9. Ne5 Bd6 {The balls on this guy!} 10. Nxc6 bxc6 11. Bxd6 Qxd6 12. O-O-O Rb8 {Castling long? I think he is overcompensating for a small penis.} 13. Ne4 dxe4 {Forget I was worried - this guy is a moron (and not in the good way)!} 14. Bxe4 Qb4 15. Bxc6 Qxb2+ {Oh dear lord, today is my lucky day!} 16. Kd2 Rd8+ 17. Ke1 Ba6 {Lets try a little misdirection!} 18. Qxa6 Qc3+ {And now with his queen sidelined...} 19. Ke2 Qxc2+ 20. Rd2 Rxd2+ {Kerpow!} 21. Kf3 Rxf2+ 22. Kg3 Nh5+ 23. Kg4 Rb4+ {Please take my horsey!} 24. Kxh5 Qg6# {To quote the great Emanuel Lasker: "Checkmate, motherfucker!!!"} 0-1

Posted by: Paul Morphy at May 12, 2012 05:46 PM (cYMja)

19 17 Are there chess cheerleaders? No? then, I DGAS. Posted by: Barry S at May 12, 2012 09:40 PM (6oc46) Yes, but they are not that hot...

Posted by: Paul Morphy at May 12, 2012 05:49 PM (cYMja)

20 I thought this was a Woman's Chest Tread... Better go back to Lager..But a nice woman's chest thread would work...

Posted by: Clemenza at May 12, 2012 05:53 PM (YlSwz)

21 What's the moron consensus on blitz? They say it helps you learn the openings and sharpens your tactical eye. Even though I tend to make a lot of mistakes and get killed by experienced players, I think it's helped my game.

Posted by: Milesdei at May 12, 2012 05:57 PM (d3mlu)

22 21 What's the moron consensus on blitz? They say it helps you learn the openings and sharpens your tactical eye. Even though I tend to make a lot of mistakes and get killed by experienced players, I think it's helped my game. Posted by: Milesdei at May 12, 2012 09:57 PM (d3mlu) I prefer Blitz Risk!

Posted by: Paul Morphy at May 12, 2012 06:13 PM (cYMja)

23 FischerRamndom (aka Chess960)

Posted by: Paul Morphy at May 12, 2012 06:18 PM (cYMja)

24 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at May 12, 2012 06:35 PM (7W3wI)

25 Possibly a stupid question as I haven't set up a board and looked at this, but what's wrong with 25. PxR, instead of 25. RxQ? I'm probably missing something obvious, I haven't played seriously in 20 years. Speaking of David Bronstein: He wrote my favorite chess book, The Chess Struggle in Practice. I wish it was still in print so that I could get a hard cover copy to replace my old dog-eared paperback.

Posted by: Pastafarian at May 12, 2012 06:36 PM (KC3A2)

26 What's wrong with descriptive notation, by the way? I prefer it. It's clearer, in my opinion, particularly when you're playing black. In the video, you might have noticed that the narrator messes up and mentions that, at one point, black might have played Bh6; but this made no sense, he meant to say Bh3. He forgot to reverse the numbers as you have to with black playing from the bottom. With B-R6, there's no confusion. Great job with the chess thread, by the way. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Pastafarian at May 12, 2012 06:46 PM (KC3A2)

27 What's wrong with descriptive notation, by the way

Because the notation is ambiguous. Each square has two designations, always. Also, it is easier, in my opinion, to slip into a different kind of ambiguity where the move is, say, 10. B-R4, only each bishop has can go to a R-4 and you've got to figure out which one is meant. This is a real problem with some of the older books. I am working though Ret's Masters of the Chessboard and this ambiguity comes up quite a bit. Perhaps the editors thought the flow of the game made the choice obvious, but to not a patzer like me!

I prefer it.

So did Bobby Fischer, so you're in good company. I grew up on the old style, was forced to switch to algebraic to keep up with the times, and now I prefer it.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2012 07:26 PM (fPBIw)

28 Pastafarian: As far as I can tell, after 25. PxR BxP+ 26. NxB NxB+ QxN (forced) 27. QxQ. At that point Black has a queen for a rook and bishop, and two connected passed pawns. It looks like a winning endgame, even though I can't see an immediate win for Black.

Posted by: rickl at May 12, 2012 07:26 PM (sdi6R)

29 27 I grew up on the old style, was forced to switch to algebraic to keep up with the times, and now I prefer it. Same here.

Posted by: rickl at May 12, 2012 07:28 PM (sdi6R)

30 So did Bobby Fischer, so you're in good company. That could be a rather tenuous argument...

Posted by: Whores, Hermaphrodites, and Lickspittles at May 12, 2012 07:42 PM (cYMja)

31 Im glad I have to work tonight, or is is nite?

Posted by: Mace at May 12, 2012 08:33 PM (5zPDc)

32 @8, I love playing Bughouse, though I didn't know it had a name until recently.  An awesome amount of fun.

Posted by: waelse1 at May 12, 2012 08:48 PM (y4+t+)

33 Descriptive is horrible, there are 4 possible B-R6s [2 for each side]. No confusion? Seriously, wtf at that.

Don't blame algebraic notation for the video commentator's mistakes in a hastily put-together free analysis of one of the most famous king hunt's of all time.

Secondly, algebraic is one of the few actual, useful, truly universal languages  -- you can analyze a game with anyone in the world with it. Descriptive is only for English speakers. Chess Informant [Informator] first published in Yugoslavia [remember them?] around 1969 was algebraic. And everyone understood it.

Another who started with the old, switched to the new, and likes it way better.

Posted by: horn at May 12, 2012 09:28 PM (Pxhwp)

34 Looks like the thread got dumped on.  Five minutes on top.

OM, if that happens again, just put it in draft for about 20 minutes and re-post on top with the new time.

Posted by: rdbrewer at May 12, 2012 09:38 PM (Iyg03)

35 When are you guys going want to play a few games?

Posted by: rdbrewer at May 12, 2012 09:39 PM (Iyg03)

36 @35 maybe...a round robin 5-minute tournament people could sign onto, with the same prize as the football pools (i.e., nothing)?  If it's possible.

Posted by: waelse1 at May 12, 2012 09:50 PM (y4+t+)

37 I tried to register at both chess.com and chessgames.com, but "rickl" was already taken at both places. So I'll have to think of something else. Maybe I could track down the imposter and kill him bribe him to change his username.

Posted by: rickl at May 13, 2012 03:25 AM (sdi6R)

38 Horn: "Descriptive is horrible, there are 4 possible B-R6s..." I don't want to belabor the point when arguing about mere aesthetics, but there is no ambiguity in descriptive notation. When B-R6 isn't sufficient, you use B-KR6. And you can tell the difference between white's move and black's because white's is listed on the left. Few positions will allow two different moves for white that could be labeled B-KR6, and even in those cases, there are ways to deal with it.

Posted by: Pastafarian at May 13, 2012 03:24 PM (KC3A2)

39 Rickl: Thanks. I hadn't realized white was out of escape squares after 26. ... NxB ch.

Posted by: Pastafarian at May 13, 2012 03:36 PM (KC3A2)

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