January 28, 2012

Saturday Afternoon Open Thread
— DrewM

Because I'm a giver.

Added [rdbrewer]: Bloody Pingu

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1 Snowing like crazy. Good excuse to sit indoors and screw off.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 28, 2012 08:33 AM (DiqH3)

2 "Because I'm a giver." Yeah, reminds me of my wife when she tells me how much money she just saved me after she and the kids went shopping!

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2012 08:33 AM (i6RpT)

3 First!

I got next.

Posted by: Internet Stranger at January 28, 2012 08:33 AM (RN90h)

4 Good excuse to sit indoors and screw off.

I thought it was "jerk off."

Posted by: rdbrewer at January 28, 2012 08:34 AM (Iyg03)

5 Did you guys see the see-thru skirt in the Lori Watt video in the sidebar?

Posted by: rdbrewer at January 28, 2012 08:35 AM (Iyg03)

6 I wish my tribe would vamoose for the afternoon!  It would be like a fucking daycation!

Posted by: Truman North at January 28, 2012 08:36 AM (I2LwF)

7 Not even close to first !

Posted by: MarkW at January 28, 2012 08:36 AM (mT+TO)

8 RE: sidebar/Lori Watt and her (?) see-through skirt.  I wouldn't know...couldn't handle more than 30 seconds of that awful warbling she calls singing...is rdbrewer into torture?

Posted by: billygoat at January 28, 2012 08:37 AM (GsBJY)

9 In light of yesterday's Aunt Flo thread, perhaps today we need a hot flashes thread.  Or a men's back hair thread.

Posted by: Y-not at January 28, 2012 08:38 AM (5H6zj)

10 ...I'll try Lori watt again...but this time mute-on.

Posted by: billygoat at January 28, 2012 08:38 AM (GsBJY)

11 Cause my wife, stepdaughter and several others of The Tribe have gone on a fabric safari.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 28, 2012 12:34 PM (c9Ivb)

"Fabric safari." I will have to remember that one.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 28, 2012 08:39 AM (qMs8j)

12 //Saturday Afternoon Open Thread

Because I'm a giver.

Posted by: DrewM. at 12:29 PM//

STD's don't count.

Posted by: Have Blue at January 28, 2012 08:40 AM (IKTC8)

13
Flaming skull worthy:

The catÂ’s out of the bag ...

Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, a Romney supporter, went on The Record last night. The Florida Republican told Greta Van Susteren that Mitt wants Romneycare in every state.

She also said she would be on RomneyÂ’s Health Care Advisory Team when heÂ’s president.

http://tinyurl.com/77xh4mj

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 28, 2012 08:41 AM (7+pP9)

14 @17
Holy shit.  Really? 

Posted by: Y-not at January 28, 2012 08:41 AM (5H6zj)

15

Cause my wife, stepdaughter and several others of The Tribe have gone on a fabric safari.<<<

 

Yeah, my oldest two are with their grandparents and the Empress is at yoga, but I have my twins, Pigpen and The Barnacle, to look after.

 

 

Otherwise, I'd be logged on to nipplebandits.com and beating my dick until it gave me the Genesis Device.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 28, 2012 08:42 AM (DiqH3)

16 I think Lori Watt would look good...stuffed into my basement crawl space.

Posted by: billygoat at January 28, 2012 08:42 AM (GsBJY)

17
@17
Holy shit. Really?

Follow the link to the video at Gateway Pundit.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 28, 2012 08:43 AM (7+pP9)

18 If 17 is indeed true, fuck Romney and everyone of his Mittenbots with white-hot pokers.

Posted by: billygoat at January 28, 2012 08:44 AM (GsBJY)

19 So what would it take for Romney leaners like ace to lean away from him and toward someone else? 

Posted by: Y-not at January 28, 2012 08:44 AM (5H6zj)

20 Thanks, rdbrewer! You've convinced me that I've been having a heart attack for the past 12 years.

Posted by: mike at January 28, 2012 08:45 AM (3JpQ0)

21 So this is funny (from Greta's site):

I received more than one nasty email from Gov Romney supporters criticizing me for coming to Florida and interviewing Speaker Gingrich in person and not Gov Romney. Perhaps a dose of the facts will tone down those emails: 1/ they must have forgotten that two weeks ago I went to South Carolina and interviewed Gov Romney in person and 2/ we made the same offer – interview with Gov Romney in Florida -and the Romney campaign declined

Posted by: Y-not at January 28, 2012 08:46 AM (5H6zj)

22 17 Flaming skull worthy: The catÂ’s out of the bag ... Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, a Romney supporter, went on The Record last night. The Florida Republican told Greta Van Susteren that Mitt wants Romneycare in every state. She also said she would be on RomneyÂ’s Health Care Advisory Team when heÂ’s president. http://tinyurl.com/77xh4mj Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 28, 2012 12:41 PM (7+pP9) 18 @17 Holy shit. Really? Posted by: Y-not at January 28, 2012 12:41 PM (5H6zj) NO NOT REALLY. Listen to the video. I don't hear her say that at all.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 28, 2012 08:47 AM (niZvt)

23 The Florida Republican told Greta Van Susteren that Mitt wants Romneycare in every state.


She's clearly a Romney supporter but I don't hear where she said Romney wants Romneycare in every state.

Posted by: Tami at January 28, 2012 08:50 AM (X6akg)

24 @28: neither did I. At all.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 28, 2012 08:50 AM (niZvt)

25

Meanwhile, the two younger kids are reveling in the joy that is a PBJ sandwich, which is forbidden unto them by the Brandywine school district.

 

Fucking peanut butter allergy bullshit.  When I was a kid, we never heard of such a thing.  If a kid ever died from touching a surface that once had a peanut on it, he must have crawled off and died in private.

LIKE A MAN.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 28, 2012 08:51 AM (DiqH3)

26 rdbrewer needs help. Lori Watt is built like Moochelle, scares screech owls with her singing, and has a face that ain't launching no wars or wads.
 
I'm sure she has a nice personality though.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 28, 2012 08:52 AM (BhuDE)

27 23 So what would it take for Romney leaners like ace to lean away from him and toward someone else?

Posted by: Y-not at January 28, 2012 12:44 PM (5H6zj)

Well, obviously Romney likes Romneycare, and it is not too hard to believe that he thinks that all states ought to adopt similar plans. That doesn't mean that he wants such plans to be federally imposed - the lady in question is pretty clear about wanting this to be done at a state, not a federal level - so I am not sure that this is really some huge revelation.

I was kinda-sorta leaning Romney, just because Gingrich seems like a loose cannon, but could easily be persuaded otherwise. I don't see that what she says tells me anything I hadn't already figured out, though.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 28, 2012 08:52 AM (qMs8j)

28

Pam Bondi didn't say that, I watched the interview. She said she wanted states to be free to take care of health care as they see fit.

 

That used to be a republican plank in the platform. Until this year.

Posted by: robtr at January 28, 2012 08:53 AM (MtwBb)

29

13 ....In light of yesterday's Aunt Flo thread, perhaps today we need a hot flashes thread. Or a men's back hair thread.

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Oh please no, let's not. .....I cringe when I see my sister femaliens going on about the hell we go through with our plumbing, and how they want to kill someone at certain times of the month.

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Because I know that all that shit will get played back to us, when we try to argue that women are just as good as men are in positions of power.....and a woman would make just as good a POTUS as a man. 

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2012 08:54 AM (ALwK/)

30 I'm watching an episode of this Vietnam in HD documentary. It's a little distracting that they use well-known actors to do the voiceovers. I keep trying to figure out whose voice I'm hearing. Took me forever to figure out the narrator was Dexter.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 28, 2012 08:54 AM (Wyo40)

31 Blue Hen, is PA one of those states that doesn't tax clothes? Is fabric the same?

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at January 28, 2012 08:54 AM (MyByM)

32 legal Insurrection blog goes into more detail on the Romneycare in every state story. It seems Romney would get rid of Obamacare, just tonreplace it with his "better" Romneycare.

Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at January 28, 2012 08:54 AM (6IV8T)

33 Look, for the record, Connecticut has moved ahead with its own version of Romneycare here. It'll stay in place even if Obam gets booted out this year. I hate that, but the point it: Connecicut will have Romneycare even if Zombie Barry Goldwater is elected. When Romney says leave it up to the states, all he's doing is acknowledging that reality.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 28, 2012 08:56 AM (niZvt)

34 fuck why do my links never show, I give up

Posted by: Jose at January 28, 2012 08:56 AM (srIqv)

35 Romneycare is not cheap. Anyone here forced to buy it? What are your premiums?

Posted by: mike at January 28, 2012 08:56 AM (3JpQ0)

36 I couldn't tell if the goth chick was flashing her cootchie or not,  with all of that caterwauling piping out of her yap-hole.

Yeesh.

Posted by: Fritz at January 28, 2012 08:57 AM (3raPN)

37 40 fuck why do my links never show, I give up

Posted by: Jose at January 28, 2012 12:56 PM (srIqv)



It's not you, its me.

Posted by: The Blog at January 28, 2012 08:57 AM (/izg2)

38 I have a million things to do, but I've just wasted an hour watching YouTube videos of cats attacking alligators.....and winning.

Anything to keep from hitting the fitness center and working out I guess.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 28, 2012 08:57 AM (UOM48)

39
She said she wanted states to be free to take care of health care as they see fit.

That used to be a republican plank in the platform. Until this year.

Posted by: robtr at January 28, 2012 12:53 PM (MtwBb


Yeah -- Republicans (snicker). This year conservatives want individuals to take care of health care as they see fit.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 28, 2012 08:58 AM (7+pP9)

40 I looked at that Aussie harpies video twice and didn't see nuthin! Where's the nookie!

Posted by: stevea28 at January 28, 2012 08:58 AM (EsPiA)

41 I loaded the fuck up out of the sidebar.

Posted by: Truman North at January 28, 2012 08:59 AM (I2LwF)

42 "Listen to the video. I don't hear her say that at all."

true.  she doesn't . she is talking about his mass-care plan , obvious because gvs asks her to compare and cotrast "romneycare" to "obamacare", and that is she is talking abt


Posted by: runner at January 28, 2012 08:59 AM (WR5xI)

43 Romneycare is not cheap. Anyone here forced to buy it? What are your premiums?

Posted by: mike at January 28, 2012 12:56 PM (3JpQ0)

The bigger problems are in the lack of doctors to cover the increased load and increased waiting times.

Posted by: really ... at January 28, 2012 09:00 AM (X3lox)

44 "Posted by: really ... at January 28, 2012 01:00 PM (X3lox)"

do you mind...what is that individual opt out provision in the law ?

Posted by: runner at January 28, 2012 09:01 AM (WR5xI)

45 Yeah -- Republicans (snicker). This year conservatives want individuals to take care of health care as they see fit.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 28, 2012 12:58 PM (7+pP9)

 

Duh, then either change the 10th amemdment or vote in people in your state that feel the same way. What do you want to the president to do about it? Do you want the President to run your state? It seems like that is what you are promoting.

Posted by: robtr at January 28, 2012 09:02 AM (MtwBb)

46 So apparently no one is actually going to watch the video and just take Jim Hoft's word for it?  Esp. when his word comes from....Free Republic

Watch the video and tell me where she says he wants Romneycare in every state.

She says "states rights" and the dingbats at Free Republic took that to read "Romneycare in every state".

Brilliant analysis.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 28, 2012 09:03 AM (phgnV)

47 Blue Hen, you have made my week, I didn't know Jomar was still around! That is one funky store. I will be there tomorrow when it opens. My husband will not be thanking you.

Posted by: jeannebodine, Team Meteor-Bot at January 28, 2012 09:04 AM (byR8d)

48

Progressives all love some of that social engineering. .....Left or right, that is one of the common denominators with progressives.

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Which is why the progressives on 'our side' went ballistic when Newt said that thing about "right wing engineering".

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I remember, right after Newt became Speaker, back in the 90's...... He had been cornered in the hallway, somewhere in the House. .....The media was asking him "Are you going to try to make abortion illegal? Are you? Are you, huh?"

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And Newt said: "We are not here to replace the social engineering of the Left, with the social engineering of the Right".

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This began the 'big chill' against Newt, from his own party. .....Well, from the progressives in his own party.....the ones who don't even want to admit to themselves that they are, in fact, progressives.

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2012 09:04 AM (ALwK/)

49 Making chocolate chip cookies at the request of She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed and the micros. Of course the little one is currently watching TMNT, which is not that odd if you did not know she is 3.5. Yeah, Tinkerbell is cool, but she likes a bit of martial arts too.

Posted by: Penfold at January 28, 2012 09:05 AM (4jMRd)

50 State = individual under the new 'conservative' leadership, Ed.

Posted by: Y-not at January 28, 2012 09:05 AM (5H6zj)

51 Yeah -- Republicans (snicker). This year conservatives want individuals to take care of health care as they see fit.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 28, 2012 12:58 PM (7+pP9)

 

True, but if the population of individual states vote to collectivise their healthcare, then that is their right, right? That is the logic of federalism.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 28, 2012 09:05 AM (qMs8j)

52
I love the Romneybots:

Obamacare is bad because the federal government forces you to buy insurance. Romneycare is okay because the state forces you to buy insurance

Talk about cognitive dissonance.

Fucking Romneybots are stupider than Paultards.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 28, 2012 09:06 AM (7+pP9)

53 That used to be a republican plank in the platform. Until this year.

^^^

Well no, it's fine if anyone else touts the 10th. Just not when Romney does it apparently.

Jim Hoft is a fucking imbecile.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 28, 2012 09:07 AM (phgnV)

54 And Newt said: "We are not here to replace the social engineering of the Left, with the social engineering of the Right".
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This began the 'big chill' against Newt, from his own party. .....Well, from the progressives in his own party.....the ones who don't even want to admit to themselves that they are, in fact, progressives.

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2012 01:04 PM (ALwK/)

 

Funny how protecting individual life = social engineering.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 28, 2012 09:07 AM (qMs8j)

55 do you mind...what is that individual opt out provision in the law ?

Posted by: runner at January 28, 2012 01:01 PM (WR5xI)




I couldn't say.  I had just heard some statistics about Mass health care the other day that had highlighted those points.   They're pretty obvious consequences of adding that many people to the system. 


When they stress the system (cap and trade on health care, essentially) almost everyone gets stuck with the problems.  The Left loves to spread the misery.  Lowest common denominator.

Posted by: really ... at January 28, 2012 09:07 AM (X3lox)

56
Last week there was a tweet being circulated about the Romney camp sending Newt a cake for the anniversary of his resignation as Speaker.

Was that also a bunch of horsepoop?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 28, 2012 09:08 AM (sqkOB)

57 62....Funny how protecting individual life = social engineering.

......Posted by: Grey Fox

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It's about Free Will.....and Freedom, Grey Fox. ....Progressives think that 'their' particular infringement upon our free will and our freedoms is the one on the side of 'what is right!'.

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But it boils down to the same thing. .....Infringement on our freedoms.

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2012 09:12 AM (ALwK/)

58

There are a few self proclaimed "conservatives" running around that don't even know what the word means. These brilliant conservatives want to get rid of Roe V. Wade. They can't grasp that getting rid of Roe V. Wade sends the decision back to the states. Your state could decide to either approve or ban abortion.

 

The new "conservatives" want to rip up the constitution and have the federal government ban or allow the things they want.  I have news for you conservatives, that has never been a conservative position.

Posted by: robtr at January 28, 2012 09:13 AM (MtwBb)

59 osted by: really ... at January 28, 2012 01:07 PM (X3lox)

ok, i am jus trying to understand this individual op-out that is part of the plan, thought you were form Massachusetts; if it is in place, then i can't see how it is a "government mandate"

Posted by: runner at January 28, 2012 09:13 AM (WR5xI)

60   Freaky winter here. Looking outside, you'd swear it's mid-March, breezy, sunshine and just about no snow. Our area normally has 65" of snow, to date we got 15.5".  All the snowmobilers and plow guys are crying. Can't really fault them our economy is geared seasonal, so it is hurting.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 28, 2012 09:15 AM (SAMxH)

61 So according to some people, the tenth amendment means you can be a shitty governor who implements liberal policies and we can't call you on it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 28, 2012 09:16 AM (wJYSR)

62 56 Progressives all love some of that social engineering. .....Left or right, that is one of the common denominators with progressives.
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Which is why the progressives on 'our side' went ballistic when Newt said that thing about "right wing engineering".


> How is the Medicare plan in the House budget "progressive"? Further, the facts clearly show that we must reform entitlements and cut mandatory spending OR we will go over the cliff.

Posted by: M80B at January 28, 2012 09:17 AM (d6QMz)

63
The only way to avoid the fine for not having health insurance in MA is by proving you could not afford it.

You must provide proof of health insurance each year on your MA income tax form. If one's AGI is low enough, they will not be fined ($2000, I think) for not having health insurance.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 28, 2012 09:17 AM (sqkOB)

64 ok, i am jus trying to understand this individual op-out that is part of the plan, thought you were form Massachusetts; if it is in place, then i can't see how it is a "government mandate"

Posted by: runner at January 28, 2012 01:13 PM (WR5xI)



Which "mandate" are you talking about?  In Massachusetts, even Romney calls it an "individual mandate".  Are you talking about Romney claiming that he would give state opt-outs of ObamaCare?  Mittens isn't telling the whole story with just that.  He wants each state to adopt, on its own, an individual mandate.  He thinks that coercion from the federal government, in the form some honey-money, is not a bad way to get all of the states to make the "right" choice.

Posted by: really ... at January 28, 2012 09:18 AM (X3lox)

65

OK OWS types, this is the way you do it.  Attractive slender Ukranian girls protest topless at Davos:

http://goo.gl/2WZlZ

The naughty bits are blurred out, but possible NWS for uptight Ws.

Bonus points: the Alpha blonde kinda looks like Taylor Swift.




Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2012 09:19 AM (3wBRE)

66 Romneycare is not cheap. Anyone here forced to buy it? What are your premiums?

i am jus trying to understand this individual op-out that is part of the plan


I use the opt-out, which is having private insurance. Otherwise, you pay a fine.

MassCare, or whatever, is not cheap. Our premiums have been going up, but it is hard to say if it is because of the mandate, because of the looming ObamaCare, or inflation in general.

Posted by: fluffy, Masshole at January 28, 2012 09:20 AM (Lpgtj)

67 What I took away from that Pam Bondi line is she's an idiot.  Greta was asking her about the similarities between Obamacare and Romneycare and how can you differentiate them.  And then she goes off talking about Romney's plans as president.

Posted by: buzzion at January 28, 2012 09:21 AM (GULKT)

68 What? Brits no longer in love with Greens? I guess they didn't like the image of their kids having their heads blown off. For the record, when communism fell in 89-91, the commies just rebranded themselves as Greens.

Posted by: mike at January 28, 2012 09:21 AM (3JpQ0)

69

Btw......Newt followed up that remark about "replacing the social engineering of the Left, with the social engineering of the Right", with saying:

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"I think we should put the question of Abortion on a nationwide ballot. Let the people decide whether they think it should be legal or not".

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This did not win him any friends with the progressives within the Republican party.

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Look, I am not pro-abortion. Hardly....I think it is an abomination. ....But we can do a lot by convincing our sons and daughters that a pregnancy is a Life. ....And that being a parent is one of the most fulfilling endeavors that we can ever hope to undertake.

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I love all those startling, in-your-face billboards that depict abortion as the horrible thing that it is. ....Yes, more of that.

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But we lose the argument that we, as conservatives are 'all about freedom', when we turn around and say "except for abortion....that's bad, therefore you should not have that personal choice". .....Sorry, but we do.

 

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2012 09:22 AM (ALwK/)

70

I would like to see a candidate propose a fundamental change in foreign policy.

 

Right now, the U.S. takes the position that we are friends with the citizens of all nations.  When we have disagreements, they are with the ruling entity, not the people.  This leaves the citizens of countries like Iraq, Iran and Pakistan unaccountable for their governments and leads to muddled policies like never ending wars.

 

By changing to a position that holds an entire nation responsible for the actions of their leaders, it clarifies the interests of all parties.  In the case of Iran, a U.S. president should make it clear that it is unacceptable to the worldÂ’s interest that they develop nuclear weapons.  If the Iranian people allow their present leadership to continue on this course, it will lead to a situation that could result in massive casualties and destruction. 

 

In effect, this policy would give the citizens of an offending country the choice of either standing up and changing their present government or facing the consequences of a superpower raining death on them.  Once people realized that the only American boots on the ground will be those stepping over charred bodies to assess the effectiveness of our weapons, the speed of reaching our objectives will increase dramatically.

 

Of course, we would always welcome as friends the survivors after total capitulation, just as we did with the Japanese and Germans.  Seems to have worked before, why not now?

 

Posted by: jwest at January 28, 2012 09:22 AM (FdndL)

71 @77: she did provide a list of differences, though. Be that as it may, the one thing she did NOT say was what the headline at Gateway Pundit says she said.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 28, 2012 09:23 AM (niZvt)

72 Bullshit.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 28, 2012 01:22 PM (7FadD)




Yes.  It's total bullshit, but Mittens did express that view.

Posted by: really ... at January 28, 2012 09:23 AM (X3lox)

73 does it have to be "all politics all the time" around here? Can't we focus on something else for a while? It all just devolves into a middle school pecker measuring contest over who's more "True Conservative" than someone else. God, I'm tired of it. And ya know what, no ones mind is being changed. It's just pissy snark, and f*^K you's!

Posted by: stevea28 at January 28, 2012 09:25 AM (EsPiA)

74 (and again, not all Romney-opponents are Romney-haters, the latter is a subset of the former) Posted by: chemjeff at January 28, 2012 01:17 PM (7FadD) I am a Romney hater and proud of it. Despite that I will vote for him in November.

Posted by: eman at January 28, 2012 09:25 AM (pn8u0)

75 Remember in 2008 when Mitt was touting MA healthcare as why he should tackle healthcare nationally? In the time between he apparently decided he was an ardent Federalist.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 28, 2012 09:25 AM (wJYSR)

76 Well if Romney will come out and forecfully say: Every state should test its own solutions I'm good. I'd love to see some states experiment with replacing std medicaid with a high deductible major medical and HSA debit card. . Heck any candidate can borrow this "We believe that being poor does not automatically make some bureaucrat better at managing your families health than you" Funny how we have to give EBT cards that they can use to buy junk food instead of directly handing out healthy food but for health care for the we just have a set of rules that leads to people calling an ambulance for their kids diaper rash because ambulance/ER visits will be 100% free.

Posted by: Palerider at January 28, 2012 09:25 AM (cQZV0)

77
I'm sick of reading the shilling and propaganda for and against both of these jackasses.

After Tuesday, it will be over. And I'm glad.


Posted by: soothsayer at January 28, 2012 09:25 AM (sqkOB)

78 80 Btw......Newt followed up that remark about "replacing the social engineering of the Left, with the social engineering of the Right", with saying: . "I think we should put the question of Abortion on a nationwide ballot. Let the people decide whether they think it should be legal or not". A nationwide ballot? What constitutional clause mentions "national ballots?" Typical nutty Newtonism. He makes this crap up on the fly, just like Moonbase Nutonia.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 28, 2012 09:26 AM (niZvt)

79 Ahem... DRAFT PALIN!!!!! ****slinks back out****

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 28, 2012 09:27 AM (yneWI)

80 if it is in place, then i can't see how it is a "government mandate"
Posted by: runner at January 28, 2012 01:13 PM


I live in Mass., and as a recent arrival I was required to sign up for the CommonwealthCare/MassHealth package. Everyone here must be on the list, and be connected to the state-run "health care" system. Your premiums vary based on income, but if you live here, it sign up or pay a fine.

This is one reason I dislike The Mutt so intensely. It's not like car insurance (though some claim so) which is also mandatory. If you don't have a car, you don't have to buy car insurance. But you have to be dead to stay out of The Mutt's little scheme.

If I hear him say, in so many words, "I want that gone, and will refuse to impose it on the rest of the country, and MA should end it" I'll feel a little better about voting for him, even if he's a pandering, unprincipled pretty boy.

Better than four more years of the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure. Like starvation is worse than a bullet in the head.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 28, 2012 09:28 AM (tkd/a)

81 89 I'm sick of reading the shilling and propaganda for and against both of these jackasses.

After Tuesday, it will be over. And I'm glad.

> Same here.

Posted by: M80B at January 28, 2012 09:28 AM (d6QMz)

82 Ugh, sorry for not proof reading 88: care for the we, for and the should have been deleted. I am so bad when I edit in mid-thought.

Posted by: Palerider at January 28, 2012 09:29 AM (cQZV0)

83 why is Chris Farley dressed in a cop uniform shooting a speed gun at us?

Posted by: Mike D. at January 28, 2012 09:29 AM (p8QOg)

84 Blue Hen, I take my wifely duties seriously. I only want to go to the fabric store to purchase cloth for new aprons and kitchen curtains. Do you know that old song "Hey Little Girl With Your Hair Up in Curlers"? Well, that is our wedding song. I'm glad we see things the same way.

Posted by: jeannebodine, Team Meteor-Bot at January 28, 2012 09:30 AM (byR8d)

85

72.....> How is the Medicare plan in the House budget "progressive"?
Further, the facts clearly show that we must reform entitlements and cut
mandatory spending OR we will go over the cliff.

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Oh, I agree about the reforms and cutting spending, M80b. .....Which is what I liked about Ryan's plan. .....But in the sense of 'what is progressive', let's face it, all entitlement programs are progressive, aren't they? 

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2012 09:31 AM (ALwK/)

86
Florida is turning into a pandering fest for these two shitheads.

Romney, because of that asshole Newt and the media, now has a reputation for being a hardliner on immigration.

So Romney, the idiot, responds by saying his heart goes out to the 11 million illegals.

“I’m very concerned about those who are already here illegally and how we deal with those 11 million or so. My heart goes out to that group of people. ... We’re not going to go around and round people up in buses and ship them home.”

Wonderful.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 28, 2012 09:31 AM (sqkOB)

87 A nationwide ballot?

What constitutional clause mentions "national ballots?" Typical nutty Newtonism. He makes this crap up on the fly, just like Moonbase Nutonia.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 28, 2012 01:26 PM (niZvt)

 

There isn't any, not even amending the constitution is done by national referendum. Some states have them and they a bunch of them have already voted on abortion. Some for and some against.

 

Newt is a populist, he said he was a populist on Greta last night. Obama is also a populist. Our constitution was written to avoid populists.

Posted by: robtr at January 28, 2012 09:32 AM (MtwBb)

88 89,94. Wishful thinking I fear. I would expect the shilling to continue at least through "super tuesday" which is not until March IIRC.

Posted by: Palerider at January 28, 2012 09:32 AM (cQZV0)

89 SO very not first!

Posted by: Anoymously waiting for MY payoff at January 28, 2012 09:32 AM (GW/GR)

90 Hey chemjeff, did you see what my beast bought yesterday? A bright pink hello kitty fender She's been playing Metallica and slayer on it

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 28, 2012 09:32 AM (yneWI)

91 This is one reason I dislike The Mutt so intensely. It's not like car insurance (though some claim so) which is also mandatory. If you don't have a car, you don't have to buy car insurance. But you have to be dead to stay out of The Mutt's little scheme. OK, but you realize the only other game in town in MA was a single payer system, right? Which is what the libs - only 85% of all people in MA -wanted? Yeah, Romneycare sucks... But it was the last bad alternative the PEOPLE there demanded.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 28, 2012 09:33 AM (niZvt)

92
Nood post.

And it sucks.

But, yeah, I'm going there.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 28, 2012 09:33 AM (sqkOB)

93 Didn't Romney claim to be the "real hardliner" on immigration when Perry was in the race? That's Newt's fault?

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living.... at January 28, 2012 09:34 AM (5Wj1Y)

94 RE: sidebar/Lori Watt and her (?) see-through skirt. I wouldn't know...couldn't handle more than 30 seconds of that awful warbling she calls singing...is rdbrewer into torture?

Me?  No.  Nakey skirt.

Posted by: rdbrewer at January 28, 2012 09:34 AM (Iyg03)

95
  There is absolutely no way that I will ever pay a fine for not purchasing insurance.  Set aside the fact that I understand the reasons for insurance--got no problem up to that point.

  First time you (gov't) tells me "we have this right" brings a firm fuck you.  Jail me, I'll be the test case here, whatever the outcome, ain't gonna fall in line.  And please don't bring up any comparisons, doesn't apply.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 28, 2012 09:35 AM (SAMxH)

96 OK, but you realize the only other game in town in MA was a single payer system, right? Which is what the libs - only 85% of all people in MA -wanted? Yeah, Romneycare sucks... But it was the last bad alternative the PEOPLE there demanded. Posted by: CoolCzech at January 28, 2012 01:33 PM (niZvt) Then let them have it. Mitt can not see how diluted Socialism leads to full strength Socialism.

Posted by: eman at January 28, 2012 09:36 AM (pn8u0)

97 Put up or shut up.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 28, 2012 01:25 PM (7FadD)


You know, things get buried in search results pretty quickly, these days.  Not doing too much work, here's a little quip from one of Mittens' latest defenses of RomneyCare (a few weeks ago):

“What we did was right for the people of Massachusetts, the plan is still favored there by 3 to 1 and it is fundamentally a conservative principle to insist that people take personal responsibility as opposed to turning to government for giving out free care.”



Mittens claims that it is personal responsibility that provides the foundation for an individual mandate.  He says that that is FUNDAMENTALLY A CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLE.  Once more, FUNDAMENTALLY A CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLE for a state to mandate personal responsibility in the form of forcing everyone to buy their recommended health insurance ...  And you doubt that he said he would like all the states to adopt this "fundamentally [] conservative principle"?  Really?


I don't know.  Tough defense, you got there, jeff.

Posted by: really ... at January 28, 2012 09:36 AM (X3lox)

98 I looked at that Aussie harpies video twice and didn't see nuthin! Where's the nookie!

Look again.

Posted by: rdbrewer at January 28, 2012 09:37 AM (Iyg03)

99

Everything that lady stated about Romneycare was being touted by the dems for Obamacare... It'll cut costs, it won't raise taxes, it won't create a huge new bureaucracy, it'll be portable, it'll get the kinks out of your hair, blah blah blah, etc. and so forth...all of which were lies.   If Romney can't explain and contrast the two plans very well and his people can't explain and contrast the two plans very well, then maybe, just maybe, the two plans are so damn alike that nobody can tell the difference.  If the election is a showdown between Mitt and Barry then Mitt, in my opinion is gonna lose.  Why?  Age old question- why choose Barrylite when you can get the real thing.  Our guy Mitt is more of the same just not so much, which is what McCain was, which is what Dole was, etc.  Mitt is gonna depress turnout of our base.  Not my turnout.  I will vote early and often for Mitt if he's the nominee    but I fear that many will stay at home and cost our country dearly for the foreseeable future.

Of course, I could be wrong, and Mitt wins a hotly contested race due to the fact that independents and moderates have had trouble finding jobs and are finally (what the hell is wrong with your friggin' ears and eyes you bastards!) seeing through the "unbiased" coverage of the MSM. 

Door #2 please....door #2 please....please.....please    

Posted by: Some guy you don't know in Wisconsin at January 28, 2012 09:38 AM (dx77n)

100 Replace the word abortion with slavery, child prostitution or punching your spouse in the face. Refer to any of the above as a personal choice.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 28, 2012 01:29 PM (c9Ivb)

 

Their aren't any federal laws against punching your spouse in the face or child prostitution unless you cross state lines while committing the crime. There is also no federal law against murder unless you murder a federal employee. Those laws are all handled by the states.

 

Slavery and civil rights laws have been held up because they were found to be unconstitional. Just like abortion was found to be a constitutional right ( wrongly and a horrific stretch of the 4th amemdment) but that is what happened.

 

If Roe V. Wade was overturned tomorrow it would be up to the states to decide whether it was legal or not.

Posted by: robtr at January 28, 2012 09:38 AM (MtwBb)

101

97.....Replace the word abortion with slavery, child prostitution or punching your spouse in the face. Refer to any of the above as a personal choice.

.

You left out murder, rape, robbery....and all the other criminal activities out there that are illegal.....and should be, I agree.

.

Look, I am not defending abortion. It is a horrible thing. ....I just don't see how we win over the hearts and minds of voters by being so insistant that "it should be illegal!".

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2012 09:39 AM (ALwK/)

102 900.9 on bloody pingu beeyotches!

Posted by: booger at January 28, 2012 09:39 AM (29wvc)

103 100 72.....> How is the Medicare plan in the House budget "progressive"? Further, the facts clearly show that we must reform entitlements and cut mandatory spending OR we will go over the cliff.
.
Oh, I agree about the reforms and cutting spending, M80b. .....Which is what I liked about Ryan's plan. .....But in the sense of 'what is progressive', let's face it, all entitlement programs are progressive, aren't they?

> In the sense that it is applied to everyone instead of just those who need it*, yes, but fundamentally transforming Medicare into a more free-market program is not "progressive".

*Some would also argue because it is done at the federal and not state level.

Posted by: M80B at January 28, 2012 09:40 AM (d6QMz)

104 947.3!

Posted by: booger at January 28, 2012 09:40 AM (29wvc)

105 The trick is to hit a 'splodey rock on your very first bounce.

Posted by: booger at January 28, 2012 09:41 AM (29wvc)

106 987.5!

Posted by: CAC at January 28, 2012 09:42 AM (cQgnQ)

107 One fact being lost in all this shouting about mandates is that three of the four remaining candidates have supported the idea, especially the two frontrunners. I do not trust Newt on the issue any more than I do Romney because it seems like Newt only stopped advocating the idea for political advantage.

Posted by: M80B at January 28, 2012 09:45 AM (d6QMz)

108 28 The Florida Republican told Greta Van Susteren that Mitt wants Romneycare in every state.


She's clearly a Romney supporter but I don't hear where she said Romney wants Romneycare in every state.

Posted by: Tami at January 28, 2012 12:50 PM (X6akg)

Agree, Tami. She did not say that. Perhaps every state AG will be on his healthcare team? Pam Bondi was, in a dumb blonde fashion, attempting to distinguish the differences in the state vs federal healthcare systems.

The title of the video is misleading and histrionic.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky loves Rubio at January 28, 2012 09:45 AM (baL2B)

109 124 987.5!


Damn! Almost to 1000, who will be the first to break the quadruple digit barrier?

Posted by: booger at January 28, 2012 09:45 AM (29wvc)

110 107: But as long as Texas can say "no way" to that system you do have the option to move to avoid it. That is how federalism is supposed to work. If you don't want to live under liberal tyranny than move to a freer state and stop supporting the looters and their tyranny. . It was not easy for the nations founders either: A majority of the signers of the declaration of independence paid steep costs. Lost personal fortunes or split families where part of the kin were loyalists etc.

Posted by: Palerider at January 28, 2012 09:45 AM (cQZV0)

111 125 One fact being lost in all this shouting about mandates is that three of the four remaining candidates have supported the idea, especially the two frontrunners. I do not trust Newt on the issue any more than I do Romney because it seems like Newt only stopped advocating the idea for political advantage.

Posted by: M80B at January 28, 2012 01:45 PM (d6QMz)


Agree.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky loves Rubio at January 28, 2012 09:46 AM (baL2B)

112
So according to some people, the tenth amendment means you can be a shitty governor who implements liberal policies and we can't call you on it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 28, 2012 01:16 PM (wJYSR)


You nailed it.

It also means the state can make everybody wear green jeans or nose rings or anything else not specifically prohibited by the Constitution.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 28, 2012 09:55 AM (7+pP9)

113 Posted by: MrScribbler at January 28, 2012 01:28 PM (tkd/a)

i see, sounds like you have no option of  going outside the system, even if you are wealthy enough. 

Posted by: runner at January 28, 2012 10:02 AM (WR5xI)

114 1047.3 Three landmines in a row in the first three hits :-)

Posted by: CaveJohnson at January 28, 2012 10:03 AM (+kg55)

115 So you can't show where Mitt said he wants every state to adopt a mandate. Thanks for playing.



Posted by: chemjeff at January 28, 2012 01:57 PM (7FadD)

Pssst.  Chemjeff.  Over here.  Shhhhh.



Just between us ... do you really doubt he ever said that about wanting all the states to make the right decision on their own, and wouldn't be opposed to using a little federal money to help the process?


And please tell about other "fundamentally conservative principles" that you think states shouldn't adopt, given a free choice?

Posted by: really ... at January 28, 2012 10:03 AM (X3lox)

116 so what is that op-out referring to ?

Posted by: runner at January 28, 2012 10:04 AM (WR5xI)

117

Lori Watt? I'm a musician. We have a saying: There's no bad music, just bad musicians. Also, there's no accounting for taste.

From the comments:

I'm going to throw away all my Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and Bob Marley records.

I only ever need to listen to this song from now on. Genius.

Lori Watts joins the pantheon of musicians I will only hear once, unless I have an unfortunate accident. In which case I will run very fast while covering my ears and screaming.

 

Posted by: Meremortal at January 28, 2012 10:09 AM (nmNNk)

118

Still on italics fail I see.

Sigh...I'm out.

 

Posted by: Meremortal at January 28, 2012 10:10 AM (nmNNk)

119 Where in the hell are the Cheerleaders?

Posted by: Barry S at January 28, 2012 10:19 AM (nLpaT)

120

  One of the problems Mitt has and will continue to have ( and we will all have if Mitt is the nominee) is that almost all democrats and many many "moderates" and "independents" don't understand states rights issues and therefore see no difference at all in one state implimenting Obamacare-oops-Romneycare  and Obama giving it but good to the citizens of all 50 states.  I understand the concept ( and I'm sure most morons do too) that the states would be experimental labs for policies and that the federal government would follow their Constitutionally enumerated powers.

   But, honestly, the majority of Congresscritters think almost anything is allowed under the commerce clause and have acted accordingly.  And the SCOTUS and the vast majority of the voters have let things go so far down this path it will be almost impossible to turn around. 

  Most people don't have any interest in, or knowledge of, the basic Constitutional issues being brought up to try and defeat Obamacare.  Most dems and many mods just see it as more "free" stuff Obama wants to "give" them and the republicans are trying to "take" away.  And that's how the media has been and will continue to paint the issue. 

   It's actually starting to amaze me that many of the polls show Romney or Newt in a competetive race.  Obama has made things so much worse that reality just might bite a bunch of those "moderates" in the ass.  I hope it's a big nasty bite right on their keister too!  Does that make me a bad person?  

 

Posted by: Some guy you don't know in Wisconsin at January 28, 2012 10:30 AM (dx77n)

121 Posted by: chemjeff at January 28, 2012 01:17 PM (7FadD)

Your entire post is disconcerting because it speaks to my thoughts that maybe the republicans really don't want to win in 2012 or that they've agreed somehow to let BO have his second term and that they just will focus on the Senate and the House to try and keep a tight reign on BO.  I know odd thoughts but to watch all those people come out so strongly against Gingrich suggests that the republican team players, the ones that follow the rule or lead of the alleged republican party elite, causes a person to wonder about why they would be willing to destroy a candidate.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 28, 2012 10:43 AM (oZfic)

122
Pingu: 346.4, the first one was bloody.

Other than that, Sierra Nevada Ruthless Rye IPA is awesome.

Also, going to see Poncho Sanchez with Terrence Blanchard tonight.

Posted by: sTevo at January 28, 2012 11:01 AM (VMcEw)

123 1010.5!

Posted by: Jimmuy at January 28, 2012 11:19 AM (7jkW7)

124 Stop making me play this sick game!  (cant get past 850 anyhow)

Posted by: Leigh T at January 28, 2012 11:20 AM (pJHs9)

Posted by: sTevo at January 28, 2012 11:27 AM (VMcEw)

126 1036. Damn it's addicting

Posted by: Frank G at January 28, 2012 11:30 AM (cJqu0)

127 "When I was a kid, we never heard of such a thing."
Genetics are changing? Any researches with theories out there regarding this? Mine are that maybe they were right, pot changes chromosomes. And that it seems like the kids I hear about that have tons of allergies are kids of people I know that are vegetarians and diet fanatics. Of course, I am not a researcher. I just know that anchors are cool.

Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at January 28, 2012 12:20 PM (LCZ3l)

128 "UFC on FOX officially debuts tonight, anyone else watching?"

MMA is fun. Glad something replaced boxing. The judging got corrupt in just about every fight. MMA usually produces an obvious winner. And no one has died yet, no standing eight counts for more and more and more brain injury. Hope it stays that way. I don't watch to see people get killed. I do enjoy watching a solid beat down, to a point. Wish they'd go back to the basic rules of just no eye gouging and no biting though. Allowing kidney kicks from the guard would change the game a bit.  Funny how a lot of them end up kck boxing nowadays, mainly boxing at that.

Always wonder why they have trouble wailing on the ribs and solar plexus when they are ground and pounding. Hammer strike to the floating ribs or solar plexus would end a fight just as well as an elbow or fist to the face.

And Joe Rogan is an excellent commenter. Wonder if he reads this blog. 

Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at January 28, 2012 12:30 PM (LCZ3l)

129 913.7 feet

Posted by: gdonovan at January 28, 2012 12:36 PM (wdvl/)

130 1043.2! It's all in the placement of the mines.

Posted by: Grant S at January 28, 2012 03:08 PM (dsCnE)

131 959.9.  Thought that was great, but I see a few 1000+ scores here.  Back to the drawing board beating grounds.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at January 28, 2012 04:34 PM (QxGmu)

132 1140.3   I AM THE GREATEST! WOO-HOO!!

Posted by: Mobius 1 at January 29, 2012 07:25 AM (fFdFD)

133 1225 bitches!

Posted by: Paul Kroenke at January 29, 2012 01:18 PM (9GhP5)

134 Shit, and here I thought 845 rocked....

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 30, 2012 07:25 AM (wtvvX)

135 Up to 1042...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 30, 2012 07:27 AM (wtvvX)

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