April 12, 2014

Saturday Home Improvement & DIY Thread - [Niedermeyer's Dead Horse]
— Open Blogger

Good afternoon and welcome to the second edition of the HI/DIY thread.

I should note in this post and will do so in all the posts which follow, that the mention of any specific tool/product, or brand of tool/product, in no way constitutes an endorsement of the product by myself or the proprietor of this blog.

The highlighting of any specific tool/product is purely for the sake of informing readers that such a product exists and in no way suggests, unless specifically noted, that I have ever personally interacted with the tool/product.

Please make your tool/product purchases wisely and do not rely upon the inane scribblings of some chick who rents her home for guidance.

There. I feel better now.

On with the show!

Here at the HQ there are certain themes that are a given and are understood by all as being paramount to life as a Moron or Moronette: booze, bacon, and boobs are the most recognized of these but, might I suggest, that another natural element fit in beside them. A byproduct of the need for nourishment, it has served well throughout all of mankind. It has provided shelter and clothing, it has allowed us to tame the beasts and, most importantly, it holds up your trousers each day. The wonderful, aromatic, versatile-as-all-get-out material to which I refer is leather.

It is my opinion that leather has gotten short shrift around these parts and I am about to remedy that forthwith. Here are a few suggestions as to how even the lowliest DIYer can incorporate leather into their home:

Okay, so those aren't exactly the manliest uses of leather, but it's a start. You don't think John Wayne came out of the womb wearing chaps do you?

I searched for a list of cool new power tools for 2014 and found this list from Tools of the Trade. I also stumbled across this little gadget and I think it looks quite cool. There may be other brands producing the same type of products, so perform your research accordingly.


You're sending your kid off to college and, of course, there's an Ikea just down the road from the university. How can you take that off-the-rack cheapo furniture and make it into something special? Well, there are websites dedicated to the task. A simple 'Bing' search for "Ikea hacks" will yield millions of results. The Ikea Hackers site has ideas and how-to's for virtually any product they make and shows the type of creative thought that, frankly, I don't possess.


So, now the kids are off to college with their Ikea hacks and their closet full of hoodies and you're thinking it might be time to downsize. Do you really need that 2,600 sq ft split-level ranch in the burbs? Wouldn't it be nice to live more efficiently? And, oh how you'd love to travel.

Sure, they have wheels, but don't dare call them trailers. (Pshaw!) As we already know, only hillbillies and rednecks live in trailers.

These, my dears, are concise, upscale living in a mobile design and, for just a meager $48k, you too can own this 232 sq ft gem on wheels:

Not to your liking, well there are tiny homes of all shapes and sizes to be had at TinyHouseListings.com. Some are so cute that they are actually tempting. Then, of course, I remember that I have a full bedroom dedicated to a dressing area and I snap back to reality.


Duct Tape: What can't it do? (There's even a use that might suit Scott Brown's fancy.)

Although, this may be my favorite non-traditional use for the product:


This, however, may be yours:


And for the Moronettes:


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1 Wha?? Did everybody go outside or somethin?

Posted by: Sphynx at April 12, 2014 10:58 AM (OZmbA)

2 Wha?? Did everybody go outside or somethin? *** Weekend blogging during the beautiful Spring months is a lonely job.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:00 AM (DmNpO)

3 Second!

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 12, 2014 11:00 AM (TIIx5)

4 Well, shiite.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 12, 2014 11:00 AM (TIIx5)

5 Then, of course, I remember that I have a full bedroom dedicated to a dressing area and I snap back to reality. --------------- .... and, a bathroom. Which most of those do *not* have.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 12, 2014 11:00 AM (aDwsi)

6 If I weren't such a lady I'd say he can drill me anytime but I am so I won't.

Posted by: suitably adequate at April 12, 2014 11:01 AM (hhlK1)

7 $48K for a 230 sf house w/o property????  Sounds kind of high to me and it looks like there is no heat pump.


I only paid 49K for my 1600 sf house with a 3/4 acre lot.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 12, 2014 11:01 AM (T2V/1)

8 $48K for a glorified storage building?  Yikes.  That include the lot?

Posted by: Sphynx at April 12, 2014 11:02 AM (OZmbA)

9 $48K for a 230 sf house w/o property???? Sounds kind of high to me and it looks like there is no heat pump. I only paid 49K for my 1600 sf house with a 3/4 acre lot. *** yep. Crazy, ain't it?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:02 AM (DmNpO)

10 1 Wha?? Did everybody go outside or somethin? Posted by: Sphynx at April 12, 2014 02:58 PM (OZmbA) No way. As AtC says, Outside is always trying to kill you.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 12, 2014 11:04 AM (mx5oN)

11 An old friend of mine from my h.s. days lives in and builds tiny houses. She's got that pervasive allergy syndrome (allergic to almost everything), so I think that's how she got started on it. Needed to be able to control every thing that went into/onto her abode.

Posted by: Y-not at April 12, 2014 11:05 AM (zDsvJ)

12 I read an effusive article today about a woman who lives in a 'Tiny Home'. 84 square feet. I'm pretty sure some prison cells are larger than that. The walk-in closet of our 50 year old is that large. The only thing that can be said for it, is that it is a safe, warm place to sleep. I do not begrudge her that, but it is a fashion statement akin to driving a Smart Car, though I regard a Smart Car as more practical than an 85 sq. ft. home.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 12, 2014 11:06 AM (aDwsi)

13 I spent the afternoon cutting wood with my son. If that ain't conservative values, I don't know what is.

Posted by: Trimegistus at April 12, 2014 11:06 AM (2NrWL)

14 I had missed adding the link for that little green trailer, but just added it. the inside is kind of cute, if claustrophobia-inducing.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:06 AM (DmNpO)

15 The only thing that can be said for it, is that it is a safe, warm place to sleep. I do not begrudge her that, but it is a fashion statement akin to driving a Smart Car, though I regard a Smart Car as more practical than an 85 sq. ft. home. You might as well just sleep in the Smart Car.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 12, 2014 11:07 AM (mx5oN)

16 I spent the afternoon cutting wood with my son. If that ain't conservative values, I don't know what is. Posted by: Trimegistus ----------------- Now..., can he do a *proper* job of sharpening an axe?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 12, 2014 11:08 AM (aDwsi)

17 Hmmm, Duct Tape dresses...2,4,3,1

Posted by: Country Singer at April 12, 2014 11:09 AM (r/e1Q)

18 We have 3 empty bedrooms and an office; and there is no talking the grumpy grandma into downsizing. But if we did.... it would be for a craftsman house with a big wraparound porch on 5 acres with pecan trees and a creek.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 12, 2014 11:10 AM (60Vyp)

19 Ok, So I imagine this more home improvement than gardening. The landscapers (wait, you'll see) came out and fixed the rain damage to the drainage system they installed. Should be better now. We added even more dirt to the low areas (1 cu yard to be exact, on top of whatever remained from the original 1/2 yard that mostly got washed away.) The hope is this will keep the water away from the house enough that I don't have to install window wells (and water stops getting in my basement.) If so, we can finally start using that corner. (We've found as long as we keep the water in front of the AC unit, it seems to be OK and not in my basement.) Wife an I are busy looking at whatever other projects we can do to the house that a) don't cost much and b) are easy for idiots. (So far we've focused on hanging cheap shoplights in the basement to make it less eerie to be down there.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 12, 2014 11:10 AM (HDwDg)

20 How come when I he wraps women up like that, they arrest me him? Asking for a friend..

Posted by: A Hobo at April 12, 2014 11:11 AM (aDwsi)

21 we incorporate leather here at casa de joe for those who have seen the infamous couch picture can attest too she still has those btw today is rip up 5 sq feet of flooring under the litter boxes day the cats got pee under it from misses

Posted by: ncj at April 12, 2014 11:12 AM (krmE0)

22

Re: the furniture refinishing

 

I just got done refinishing my banister top using the Rust-Oleum furniture refinishing kit and it turned out really well. It's a cheap, $100.00 to cover 100 sf, and easy, if time consuming, project that really does leave a nice fininsh.

 

If you're looking to make your old stuff look better I do recommend the product.

Posted by: BuckIV at April 12, 2014 11:13 AM (CLfqv)

23 What's not manly about using leather sandbags as gun rests when shooting out your window? Short of using burning the text of the Constitution into the leather you aren't going to do better than that.

Posted by: bittergeek at April 12, 2014 11:13 AM (bBZdU)

24 Studfinder? ya, thats new for 2014??? WTF?

Posted by: Tim what's his name at April 12, 2014 11:14 AM (hqVUe)

25 The person I know that is always pasting those cute "Tiny houses" on FB and saying "oh this would be perfect" has never so much as gone on a long camping trip living in only a travel trailer.   I see those itty bitty 'houses' and go -oh I know how much 'fun' it is when trailer camping and it rains and there is limited space to hang coats to dry and so on.   That is tolerable for a camping trip with lots of time spent enjoying the great outdoors but for a permanent house --no way Jose.  

Posted by: PaleRider at April 12, 2014 11:14 AM (FYUWS)

26 Let me share something that ha been on my mind for a couple of days now. It has managed, in some odd way, to twist my mind around a bit. My neighbor from across the street is replacing a sewer line. He started out by digging the trench by hand with the help of just one friend. The house sits on a corner lot and a good distance back from the corner itself. The sewer line ran from the back of the house at about a 45 deg angle towards the nearest road, about 20' away. However, as they neared what they thought would be the sewer connection, the pipe made a sudden dog leg and headed off towards the very longest stretch of yard toward the farthest street corner. Damn! Yesterday they gave in and rented a little backhoe and have been digging steadily all morning. This is the thing. The man who is helping my neighbor has only one leg. And, when I say only one leg I mean he has no prosthetic, just a pair of crutches. Yet, that man stayed in the ditch with his friend all day on Thursday, pushing and scooping dirt like a madman. Now think about that. You have a dirty, grueling, time-consuming job to do, and who shows up to help? Your one-legged friend. I'd bet money that man served in our military.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:16 AM (DmNpO)

27 24 Studfinder? ya, thats new for 2014??? WTF? they all point to me for some reason I must be a sexy bitch

Posted by: ncj at April 12, 2014 11:16 AM (krmE0)

28 Studfinder? ya, thats new for 2014??? WTF? ** Actually, that particular one came out in 2013.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:16 AM (DmNpO)

29 The guy on The Talking Dead said you can use duct tape to make your clothes bite proof.

Posted by: Rowan Atkinson at April 12, 2014 11:16 AM (8c12T)

30 That is tolerable for a camping trip with lots of time spent enjoying the great outdoors but for a permanent house --no way Jose. Posted by: PaleRider ---------- The next step up from living in a tent.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 12, 2014 11:17 AM (aDwsi)

31 26 I'd bet money that man served in our military. not the navy though the sailor would be the one standing there with a coffee cup bitching about how hot/cold it is outside

Posted by: ncj at April 12, 2014 11:18 AM (krmE0)

32 today is rip up 5 sq feet of flooring under the litter boxes day the cats got pee under it from misses *** If I ever own my own home again, I will build a cat closet and install a vent fan in the ceiling. The floor will be the smoothest, groove-free vinyl flooring I can find and the walls will be covered in it to about 3' up.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:19 AM (DmNpO)

33 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 03:16 PM (DmNpO) Jeebus. I dunno whether they're lucky they can do it themselves (it's against city ordnances to do that here) or if I should feel bad for them. (FWIW, our city requires us to chip in some money on our property taxes to fund a sew lateral insurance. Which is..meh I guess, all the sewer laterals around here are clay so they're at the end of their lives. When the time comes which will be soon for me, the city picks up 80%.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 12, 2014 11:19 AM (HDwDg)

34 On the tool list. I like that version of the bench vise. The Rockwell BenchJaws. I don't see the Stereo-Speaker Tool Bag surviving. Love the fiberglass extension ladder.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 11:20 AM (IXrOn)

35 and there is nck my helper "aka slave girl who is doing the work while I drink coffee and supervise" is awake time to get to work brb

Posted by: ncj at April 12, 2014 11:20 AM (krmE0)

36 Leather furniture is on the list for the moto room. Big lounge chairs that recline and a bar so when the kids come home from deployment we can all sit around and drink and tell lies.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 12, 2014 11:21 AM (60Vyp)

37 32 there is now a litter brand at petco which has a 100% guarantee for no misses our larger cat was missing every day now since we switched about three weeks ago....no misses at all saved our flooring and maybe him

Posted by: ncj at April 12, 2014 11:22 AM (krmE0)

38 Speaking of leather, my favorite comfy chair in which I am almost always sitting is a nice leather club chair and ottoman. Love it love it love it. But it is starting to show those little tiny crackly lines that worn leather gets over time. I use leather conditioner from Wilson leather goods, but is there something better? It really doesn't seem to condition it as much as I would like.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 11:24 AM (oMKp3)

39 speaking of hacks. The wife and I have a patio set that has 2 chairs, a chat table, a love seat and 2 ottomans. The ottomans are weird because you really can't put them anywhere and have the chairs be close to the chat table. So we figured we're going to get some cheap shelf wood (1X6 or 1X and some U brackets and bolt some wood to the top of the ottomans to make little end tables. They're just about the right size to go next to the chairs. This allows us to reorg the patio (which is only 10X10) to get less cluttered by the door and step off it.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 12, 2014 11:25 AM (HDwDg)

40 Exactly Hammer, and if one had allergy issues like Y-not's friend, or we were back in the pioneer days and the trade-off to having some space was having to work like mule to collect enough wood to keep the place warm it might make sense to squeeze into a tiny space.  But *I* am quite grateful to live in a place and age where space is not a luxury that only folks rich enough to hire scads of servants can afford to have. 

Posted by: PaleRider at April 12, 2014 11:25 AM (FYUWS)

41 So we figured we're going to get some cheap shelf wood (1X6 or 1X and some U brackets and bolt some wood to the top of the ottomans to make little end tables. They're just about the right size to go next to the chairs. *** send pics when you're done!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:26 AM (DmNpO)

42 I do a lot of simple things around the house. My plan B is my checkbook. I write the check myself.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 12, 2014 11:26 AM (jTKU5)

43 38>> Saddle soap followed by mink oil seems to work well on the leather for the scooter and on the jacket, the vest and the gloves. No cracks and they get a LOT of sun...

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 12, 2014 11:27 AM (60Vyp)

44 Studfinders are 20-25 year old tech, not new. We have been using lasers for our layout in bldgs for close to 20 yrs now. I'm a foreman at a glazing company, and we need precise measurements. the lasers simplified and sped up our jobs. And they are cool.

Posted by: oc joe at April 12, 2014 11:28 AM (hqVUe)

45 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 03:26 PM (DmNpO) Heh, I dunno how good it's going to look. I've got some stain left from staining the deck so I might use that to add some color. We're debating if we want to leave the cushions on so they don't get lost or put them in the basement (but then we'll have nothing but the frame and the straps showing.) I wanted something reversible (rather than just gluing the wood to the frame) so that we could use them again if we get more patio space.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 12, 2014 11:28 AM (HDwDg)

46 The Ikea Hackers site Love one of the 2013 winners: The Lego Table. Very fun.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 11:28 AM (IXrOn)

47 We use a covered litter box, similar to this: http://www.petco.com/assets/product_images/0/029695223686C.jpg A large liner, which we put in, then put the cover on, then turn up a cuff, all of the way around. Works pretty well to contain everything. The box stays in the guest bedroom bathroom (tiled), unless there are guests, in which case it is moved to our small laundry room. The great thing about the guest bathroom is that it has a remote (thus quiet) vent fan. It has stayed on constantly for 7 years. Don't know how long it will last, but so far, so good.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 12, 2014 11:28 AM (aDwsi)

48 43 38>> Saddle soap followed by mink oil seems to work well on the leather for the scooter and on the jacket, the vest and the gloves. No cracks and they get a LOT of sun... Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 12, 2014 03:27 PM (60Vyp) Thanks. I was thinking about saddle soap. Didn't think of the mink oil though so I appreciate the tip.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 11:29 AM (oMKp3)

49 I've almost completed my weekend project - I'm finishing my gate. I built a fence last summer using 6x6 posts, 2x6s & homegrown bamboo for the actual fence. Everyone that sees it loves it. I never built the gate, just threw some plywood on the frame. Well, today, I have the gate 99% done - just need to make a handle. I'm pretty happy with it, too. A rarity, since I can usually find plenty wrong with stuff after I'm done with a project.

Posted by: shredded chi at April 12, 2014 11:30 AM (gGrg8)

50 Studfinders are 20-25 year old tech, not new. We have been using lasers for our layout in bldgs for close to 20 yrs now. I'm a foreman at a glazing company, and we need precise measurements. the lasers simplified and sped up our jobs. And they are cool. Posted by: oc joe at April 12, 2014 03:28 PM (hqVUe) True, but what did you think about this particular one? Do you have one that you recommend? We have one, but not an updated one.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 11:30 AM (IXrOn)

51 We were using lasers to pour single family home basements 10-15 years ago when I was starting out in concrete. Theodolite looking thing. Sometimes more of a pain in the ass than it was worth, but essential for big jobs.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 12, 2014 11:31 AM (ZshNr)

52 We took our Christmas lights in this morning. And, switched out the front storm glass with the screen. Felt nice to have fresh air flow into the house for a change. Then grilled some hot dogs for lunch.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 11:33 AM (IXrOn)

53 Leather makes for a fine set of chaps, and the assless ones are the most comfortable.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 12, 2014 11:33 AM (8ZskC)

54 True, but what did you think about this particular one? *** I like this particular one because it doesn't just tell you "Here's a stud" it actually shows you precisely where it is. And, as in the picture, if two are nearby, shows you that as well.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:33 AM (DmNpO)

55 Do you know what duct tape Absolutely Cannot do? Stick to cardboard.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 12, 2014 11:34 AM (o2Pn7)

56 Do you know what duct tape Absolutely Cannot do? Stick to cardboard. ** That sounds like a challenge to me.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:35 AM (DmNpO)

57 Stud finders:

Don't buy the cheapest. They will not help you at all.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 12, 2014 11:35 AM (SZLoS)

58 I like this particular one because it doesn't just tell you "Here's a stud" it actually shows you precisely where it is. And, as in the picture, if two are nearby, shows you that as well. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 03:33 PM (DmNpO) I agree. I've never seen one like this with the row of lights wider than the 2x4.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 11:36 AM (IXrOn)

59 I agree. I've never seen one like this with the row of lights wider than the 2x4. ** it seems to me it would make it easier to center on the stud.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:37 AM (DmNpO)

60 Very nice/fun thread, btw. Still sifting through all the fun stuff.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 11:37 AM (IXrOn)

61 winger, one of my neighbors has a uphostery repair business.  recommends for car leather (here in TX) be conditioned monthly - I would hazard to guess that a heavily used leather chair should get a similar conditioning cycle.

Posted by: phreshone at April 12, 2014 11:40 AM (kFxpe)

62 Tomorrow I will finish the work on my car. Fortunately I have access to a lift. It's outside, but tomorrow is gonna be a near perfect day -- Sunny and high 60's, light breeze. I'm doing: front (air) shocks front upper control arms rear shocks rear trailing arms rear air springs and solenoids fuel filter

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 12, 2014 11:41 AM (o2Pn7)

63 Very nice/fun thread, btw. Still sifting through all the fun stuff. *** thanks!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:41 AM (DmNpO)

64 84 square feet. I'm pretty sure some prison cells are larger than that.

I think those Swiss sheds for prostitution are larger than that.

Posted by: HR at April 12, 2014 11:41 AM (hO8IJ)

65 >>>Stud finders:
Don't buy the cheapest. They will not help you at all.<<<

Stud finders work best with a crop top and push up bra.  And don't be afraid to buy a fella an adult beverage now and again.

Posted by: Fritz at April 12, 2014 11:41 AM (oJUxt)

66 84 square feet. I'm pretty sure some prison cells are larger than that. I think those Swiss sheds for prostitution are larger than that. *** At 84' sq ft, at best, you have a shower and no tub. That alone would signal the end to my tinyhome living experiment.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:43 AM (DmNpO)

67 Instead of buying a chest of drawers from IKEA that is basically pressed board that will last a year and a half, much better to go to an estate sale or a flea market and buy a mid century modern or earlier piece, and polish it up. It will be beautiful and it won't fall apart. I have some Danish modern pieces that we picked up for a couple hundred dollars each that are valued in the thousands and will last forever.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 11:43 AM (oMKp3)

68 Instead of buying a chest of drawers from IKEA that is basically pressed board that will last a year and a half, much better to go to an estate sale or a flea market and buy a mid century modern or earlier piece, and polish it up. It will be beautiful and it won't fall apart. I have some Danish modern pieces that we picked up for a couple hundred dollars each that are valued in the thousands and will last forever. *** yep, but would you trust them to a dorm room?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:44 AM (DmNpO)

69 artisanal. For most people a cheap one will do. If you are more into adventure then most you may consider upgrading. I find more people have trouble mounting things when a stud is not available. And the possibilities of hardware is huge. For the normal uses a studfinder is used, ect hanging pictures and such, it really does not matter much. But if you like to remodel and cut holes and things like that, a better model might come in useful.

Posted by: oc joe at April 12, 2014 11:44 AM (hqVUe)

70 61 winger, one of my neighbors has a uphostery repair business. recommends for car leather (here in TX) be conditioned monthly - I would hazard to guess that a heavily used leather chair should get a similar conditioning cycle. Posted by: phreshone at April 12, 2014 03:40 PM (kFxpe) Monthly? I better get crackin'. Thanks!

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 11:45 AM (oMKp3)

71 yep, but would you trust them to a dorm room? Good point, although I bet that IKEA stuff isn't much cheaper.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 11:46 AM (oMKp3)

72 BTW, speaking of Ikea, they make very good kitchen cabinets. I had researched for quite a while whilst I owned my home and found that, at least at the time, Consumer Reports rated them #2 on their list of best cabinets, just after a set of cabinets that cost tens of thousands of dollars. Now, the home I am renting has Ikea cabinets and I must say that I love them. That's what is so odd about Ikea: One product can be complete crap and the next the best bargain you ever made.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:47 AM (DmNpO)

73 Don't forget the undercoating.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 12, 2014 11:47 AM (ZshNr)

74 Good point, although I bet that IKEA stuff isn't much cheaper. *** Craigslist is a great place to find Ikea products but they tend to go very quickly.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:48 AM (DmNpO)

75 I received my May issue of The Family Handyman. There's a section in this issue called Beat Bad Smells. I found this one funny, but will pass it on to my my hubby: Freshen Up Your Work Boots At the end of the day, before I retire my work boots to the hall closet, I fill them with cedar chips. (Actually I slide in an old sock that's filled with cedar chips.) I've tried several store-bought products but cedar chips seem to work the best at absorbing moisture and eliminating odors. I bought a bag of chips sold as animal bedding at my local pet store for $10, and it will last me for years. I change out the chips every month or so. ~Byron Derringer, Field Editor heh. the darndest solutions

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 11:48 AM (IXrOn)

76 I like to go to Ikea to stock up on lingonberries.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 11:48 AM (oMKp3)

77 At the end of the day, before I retire my work boots to the hall closet, I fill them with cedar chips. (Actually I slide in an old sock that's filled with cedar chips.) I've tried several store-bought products but cedar chips seem to work the best at absorbing moisture and eliminating odors. I bought a bag of chips sold as animal bedding at my local pet store for $10, and it will last me for years. I change out the chips every month or so. *** I did the same with cedar pet bedding and filled knee-high stockings to combat moths in my old closets. MUCH more economical than store-bought sachets.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:49 AM (DmNpO)

78 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 03:16 PM (DmNpO)


Can't do that here either.  We became a "code county" about 5 years ago.  It requires all such construction to be performed by a licensed plumber and a permit (i.e. a tax)  The whole thing was an excuse to hire a crony as a code inspector and to staff up the plumbers.


The guy who does the code inspections is an electrician.  He doesn't know shit about plumbing.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 12, 2014 11:50 AM (T2V/1)

79
Nice thread Nied. except for the homo at the end. 

Excellent links.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 12, 2014 11:50 AM (hUf/y)

80 lol me too I still have some in my cupboard from my last trip.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 11:51 AM (IXrOn)

81 I like to go to Ikea to stock up on lingonberries. *** I've been to Ikea only once because the nearest is two hours away. I spent the entire day in there and ate Swedish meatballs in the cafeteria and then shopped the foods department. I did not, however, purchase lingonberries. It's kind of a cool place to kill time.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:51 AM (DmNpO)

82 I love the idea of the tiny houses, but you have to be vigilant about keeping the clutter under control, to the point where I think you would have to tell people to stop giving you birthday and Christmas presents. I'm not ready for that yet.

Posted by: biancaneve at April 12, 2014 11:51 AM (2sR50)

83 The guy who does the code inspections is an electrician. He doesn't know shit about plumbing. *** Nice.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:52 AM (DmNpO)

84 Thanks, Guy.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:52 AM (DmNpO)

85 My friend used to have a used furniture store. It was quite a racket. Here's how it works: People who were moving or selling their house would call and ask him to come over and give a price to buy and get rid of the furniture they didn't want. My friend would go to the house and say this: Look, there are only a couple of things here that I can sell. I'll take it all away for nothing. So he'd end up with a couple of good pieces he could sell, sometimes he'd make out, sometimes he'd break even. The key to having a used furniture store is i) low overhead, and ii) plenty of space, and iii) of course, location. Plus, and most importantly, you have to be a great salesman.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 12, 2014 11:52 AM (o2Pn7)

86 Ya their Swedish meatballs are pretty good.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 11:52 AM (oMKp3)

87 And, totally OT, but a Moron was kind enough to point it out so I assume that some of you may not know either. The NASCAR race is tonight at 6:30 instead of the usual Sunday afternoon time-slot.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:53 AM (DmNpO)

88 57 Stud finders: Don't buy the cheapest. They will not help you at all. no shit

Posted by: navycopjoe's wife at April 12, 2014 11:54 AM (krmE0)

89 Stud finders: Don't buy the cheapest. They will not help you at all. no shit Posted by: navycopjoe's wife at April 12, 2014 03:54 PM (krmE0) *** heh.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:55 AM (DmNpO)

90 I have the Sox-Yankees playing on my tablet, so I can't check, does anyone know if Norm MacDonald is live-podcasting the Masters?

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 12, 2014 11:56 AM (ZshNr)

91 I love the idea of the tiny houses, but you have to be vigilant about keeping the clutter under control, to the point where I think you would have to tell people to stop giving you birthday and Christmas presents. I'm not ready for that yet. Posted by: biancaneve at April 12, 2014 03:51 PM (2sR50) It's kinda like an RV. You become very proficient at living in a small space. (My parents roamed the country for years like that.) The concern with the tiny house is where to put it? Land is hard to come by, and expensive. Many communities would block it, as they do pre-fab houses, etc. And, size limitations. I suspect you'ld have to live pretty rural to find a lot to stick it on. Unless you already own some land of course. Might be a good guest/family home on the property.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 11:56 AM (IXrOn)

92 I have the Sox-Yankees playing on my tablet, so I can't check, does anyone know if Norm MacDonald is live-podcasting the Masters? ** I know that he's live-tweeting it. Here ya go: https://twitter.com/normmacdonald

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 11:57 AM (DmNpO)

93 oh dear lord, Furbees are back.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 12, 2014 11:57 AM (o2Pn7)

94 stud finders: Don't buy the cheapest. They will not help you at all. no shit Posted by: navycopjoe's wife at April 12, 2014 03:54 PM (krmE0) hehe Yeah, I never go cheap with tools. I do my homework first.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 11:57 AM (IXrOn)

95
I never could get any stud finder to work, it just beeps all the time when I am holding it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 12, 2014 11:58 AM (hUf/y)

96 OT - Looks like BLM has backed down in Bundy Ranch standoff - see drudge

Posted by: phreshone at April 12, 2014 11:58 AM (kFxpe)

97 I've been to Ikea only once because the nearest is two hours away. I spent the entire day in there and ate Swedish meatballs in the cafeteria and then shopped the foods department. I did not, however, purchase lingonberries. It's kind of a cool place to kill time. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 03:51 PM (DmNpO) If we go to Ikea, we go together, and my other half won't go unless he gets some meatballs.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 11:58 AM (IXrOn)

98 I've been to an IKEA once, near Munich.

The word for "polyester" in almost every EU country is "polyester." 

Posted by: HR at April 12, 2014 11:58 AM (hO8IJ)

99 86 Ya their Swedish meatballs are pretty good. ------ I never would have thought the horde was a fan of horse meat. Learn something new every day...

Posted by: shredded chi at April 12, 2014 11:59 AM (gGrg8)

100 Thanks, I got him on Twitter now. I don't know if he ever live casts the golf tourneys, but the archived Youtubes of him are great.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 12, 2014 11:59 AM (ZshNr)

101 OT - Looks like BLM has backed down in Bundy Ranch standoff - see drudge Posted by: phreshone at April 12, 2014 03:58 PM (kFxpe) yea, we were discussing way down on the Gregory thread. but, then it went dead due to new posts. the comments on the abc and cbs, or whatever sites are streaming in at a high rate 99.99% are saying Heck yea!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 11:59 AM (IXrOn)

102 Microhouses before microhousing got trendy: http://tinyurl.com/pb3pkog

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 12, 2014 12:00 PM (OxOf7)

103 I never could get any stud finder to work, it just beeps all the time when I am holding it. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 12, 2014 03:58 PM (hUf/y) Hopefully you are a Mormon then.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 12:01 PM (IXrOn)

104 Yeah, I never go cheap with tools. I do my homework first. *** The husband of a good friend of mine said that he remembers precisely the moment that he realized he was in love with my friend. They were dating and she had just bought a house of her own. They were at Target and she said that she wanted to buy some tools and headed to the tool aisle. As she was standing there looking over the screwdrivers, she said, "Forget it. I'll make a trip to Sears for some Craftsman". That's all it took.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 12:01 PM (DmNpO)

105 I tried to watch nascar like twice in the last month but weather delays had them scrubbed from tv here in socal. Oh, I'm on the antenna so fcuk the cable companies. I do get 128 channels. And half are english speaking. Thank god for netflix

Posted by: oc joe at April 12, 2014 12:01 PM (hqVUe)

106 Hmmmm OT/ Just got an email from Scott Walker saying he's going to make a special announcement on Tuesday at the State Fairgrounds. Wonder what that's about?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 12:05 PM (oMKp3)

107 Hmmmm OT/ Just got an email from Scott Walker saying he's going to make a special announcement on Tuesday at the State Fairgrounds. Wonder what that's about? Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 04:05 PM (oMKp3) oh! Intrigue!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 12:06 PM (IXrOn)

108 Microhouses before microhousing got trendy: *** he would have been so much more cozy in this: http://bit.ly/1ekomPf

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 12:07 PM (DmNpO)

109 Walker gonna make the big "starting an exploratory committee to look into options in 2016 and beyond..."? Might as well, when Huckabee is making noises, best to get out in front.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 12, 2014 12:09 PM (ZshNr)

110 Oddly blown call in Sox/Yanks game. Replay showed Yankee runner clearly out, but instant replay booth said he was safe.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 12:10 PM (ZPrif)

111 Radio coverage didn't mention the blown call, I don't think. It blanks out sometimes, I miss some of the color commentary.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 12, 2014 12:12 PM (ZshNr)

112 Yeah, searching the web I don't think the Walker announcement is going to involve a presidential run. It looks like it's the first day a candidate can officially start the campaign for governor. Seems he is also going to announce a two year freeze on college tuition in Wisconsin.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 12:13 PM (oMKp3)

113 NDH I am that moron. Patiently waiting for the race. No home improvements done today. Raining like crazy today and snow tomorrow.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 12, 2014 12:14 PM (Q8vlx)

114 African immigrant with infectious TB. He's been ordered to "self-quarantine" -- ie stay at home -- until he's finished the meds and is cured. But he refuses to obey the order and goes out shopping and mingling in public. Chicago News Now ‏@chicagonewsnow Apr 10 Health Officials Take Tuberculosis Patient To Court Over Alleged Failed Self-Quarantine http://dlvr.it/5MjqdW #chicago

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 12:15 PM (ZPrif)

115 NDH I am that moron. Patiently waiting for the race. No home improvements done today. Raining like crazy today and snow tomorrow. ** then kick back and enjoy a weekend off from the honey-do list.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 12:15 PM (DmNpO)

116 I think this tiny house in CO is very nice, but it doesn't look that tiny to me. http://tinyurl.com/odxhqcw The problem with a tiny house is not only downsizing your clutter, but if you live with someone where would you go if you wanted to get away from them, or they from you?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 12, 2014 12:16 PM (XyM/Y)

117 Micro houses are only used to get you use to small living after the UN has finished implementing AGENDA 21!!!11!! Just like the nevada rancher, they want you to move to the city with the rest of the hoarde. People stacking? Count me out. Your micro house will be used against you as proof that you will not comply with the collective in the end.

Posted by: alcoa fedora at April 12, 2014 12:17 PM (hqVUe)

118 Here's a pic of the blown call. Yankee runner clearly took his foot off 2nd base. pic.twitter.com/424Nr7X5Xc

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 12:17 PM (ZPrif)

119 OT, and info wars (I know I know) BUT According to Infowars reporter David Knight, who is on location, the BLM is standing down and will be releasing Cliven BundyÂ’s cattle shortly. This comes after reports stating that feds were ready to fire on protesters if they attempted to seize the rancherÂ’s cattle. feds were ready to fire on protestors let that sink in ready to fire on protestors for essentially a tax violation

Posted by: thunderb at April 12, 2014 12:18 PM (zOTsN)

120 African immigrant with infectious TB. He's been ordered to "self-quarantine" -- ie stay at home -- until he's finished the meds and is cured. But he refuses to obey the order and goes out shopping and mingling in public. *** My sister emerged from jail having been exposed to TB. She was only allowed out of forced quarantine when she and I agreed that she could stay at my house and that I would be responsible for reporting any leave she might take from my apartment. They came to the house every single day to give her her meds and to watch her take them. She ate off of paper plates and plastic utensils and I sanitized the hell out of everything constantly. Thank God she never actually contracted the disease but, I can tell you this, if she had left my apartment for even a minute I would have reported her immediately.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 12:18 PM (DmNpO)

121 Didn't affect outcome of the game, just odd the instant replay booth missed it.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 12:18 PM (ZPrif)

122 According to Infowars reporter David Knight, who is on location, the BLM is standing down and will be releasing Cliven BundyÂ’s cattle shortly. This comes after reports stating that feds were ready to fire on protesters if they attempted to seize the rancherÂ’s cattle. *** There are folks on twitter claiming that the feds appear to be regrouping and it was just a ploy to get the protesters to disperse.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 12:19 PM (DmNpO)

123 I think this tiny house in CO is very nice, but it doesn't look that tiny to me. http://tinyurl.com/odxhqcw The problem with a tiny house is not only downsizing your clutter, but if you live with someone where would you go if you wanted to get away from them, or they from you? *** very cute. I do think, however, that if I were to go the tiny route, it would be for the portability which would allow me to travel.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 12:21 PM (DmNpO)

124 I think the info came about about Dirty Harry Reid's involvement. Just give them a little time. The Feds will be back.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 12, 2014 12:22 PM (XyM/Y)

125 Ohhh Bubba

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 12:23 PM (oMKp3)

126 Tiny house = closed casket funeral after a decent windstorm.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 12, 2014 12:23 PM (Fa3Hi)

127 Yankees just beat the Red Sox 7-4.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 12, 2014 12:24 PM (ZshNr)

128 The travel would be nice but can one easily do that with a tiny house? It's not like a mobile home or RV.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 12, 2014 12:24 PM (XyM/Y)

129 FWIW After being told the BLM would stand-down this morning, it appears nothing of the sort is happening. InfoWars was streaming live, right at the spot where the cattle were, when the feed was cut, and apparently InfoWars is not the only one to lose communication. Cell phones are working and Alex Jones was talking by cell to David Knight who says someone there has threatened to shoot the activists. The area is heavy with armed police and other officials. Traffic has stopped on the interstate, honking in support of Bundy. David Knight says there are “soldiers” hiding behind cars with AR-15s. Amid the reporting, Bundy’s cattle will not be returned to him. More as information becomes available.

Posted by: thunderb at April 12, 2014 12:24 PM (zOTsN)

130 And here I thought I was the only viewer of info wars. Seems we have some more closet cases.

Posted by: alcoa fedora at April 12, 2014 12:25 PM (hqVUe)

131 If I were running for President I'd wait as long as possible so that I could avoid the Democrat smear machine for as long as I could.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 12, 2014 12:26 PM (XyM/Y)

132 Shannon Bream ‏@ShannonBream 1m Per Fox's @dangallo #Bundy situation seriously escalated, cooling off now - says BLM will release impounded cattle

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 12:26 PM (DmNpO)

133 I don't normally go to info wars, but there is so little new information and frankly Drudge linked to them

Posted by: thunderb at April 12, 2014 12:27 PM (zOTsN)

134 Good point by Kasparov. The fig leaf is not for Russia, it's so the US and EU can pretend not to notice what's happening. Garry Kasparov ‏@Kasparov63 Take the ID off soldiers' uniforms, call them "pro-Russian" instead of Russian, & West will just watch Ukrainian invasion & destabilization. Garry Kasparov ‏@Kasparov63 It's not Putin who cares about plausible deniability of Russian forces in Ukraine. He doesn't care who knows. EU & Obama are ones in denial. Garry Kasparov ‏@Kasparov63 Putin knows Obama & EU want excuses to do little in Ukraine. Steady takeover with irregular forces suits the goals of all --except Ukraine.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 12:27 PM (ZPrif)

135 I don't believe it. Its a ruse. The no fly zone was just put up last night, and is supposed to be up until May 5. They are up to something

Posted by: thunderb at April 12, 2014 12:29 PM (zOTsN)

136 Stay away from InfoWars people. That shit will rot your brain.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 12, 2014 12:30 PM (GEICT)

137 The sad thing is, things that seemed crazy 5 years ago don't seem so crazy anymore. I almost expect the crazy stuff.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 12:31 PM (oMKp3)

138 The one thing that Alex Jones does well is the abuse of power by police or the feds and bringing it to light when it would normally be burried in the haze of noise that is the news cycle. Props to him for that. It would be easier to decry him as an idiot if he was wrong more, but if you keep up on the stories days or weeks later he proves to be right after the msm has moved on and declared him a fool.

Posted by: alcoa fedora at April 12, 2014 12:33 PM (hqVUe)

139 Info Wars has a live stream there right now there are the only ones that I know of I would gladly go to another outlet if there was one

Posted by: thunderb at April 12, 2014 12:34 PM (zOTsN)

140 The Saga of Bundy Ranch--Federal Power, Rule of Law and Averting Potential Bloodshed http://shar.es/TWxl1 via @BreitbartNews

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 12:35 PM (DmNpO)

141 BLM is apparently bugging out cowboys are waiting for the cattle to be released

Posted by: thunderb at April 12, 2014 12:35 PM (zOTsN)

142 Alex Jones does an excellent job of monetizing high-functioning paranoid schizophrenia. Doesn't mean that everything at InfoWars is always wrong. Sometimes it's right. Sometimes it's wrong. Sometimes it's batshit crazy. But the goal of the site is to monetize paranoia. And it does that very effectively. If the truth does that, good. If a lie does that, good. If something batshit insane does that, that's fine, too.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 12:35 PM (ZPrif)

143 That Breitbart piece I just linked basically takes no prisoners in stating that the Bundys are in the wrong here.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 12:36 PM (DmNpO)

144 The Bundy Ranch page on Facebook is posting updates. So is Brandon Darby of Breitbart on twitter and breitbart.com

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 12, 2014 12:37 PM (GEICT)

145 This totally counts as home improvement: Hard drive in our *newest* computer died (under 2 yrs. old). I had my tax return 99% done on it. I just redid everything; got it to acknowledge I'd already paid for the software...mostly; spend another $10 to file; survived it wanting info from last year's return that also has gone to hard drive heaven; and filed!!!!! Whew. I thought that would be harder. On topic, Monday morning I'm calling a carpenter for a couple repairs I'd been putting off. I'm momentarily cured of procrastination...

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 12, 2014 12:37 PM (SUKHu)

146 143 That Breitbart piece I just linked basically takes no prisoners in stating that the Bundys are in the wrong here. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 04:36 PM (DmNpO) IMO there's plenty of wrong to go around in this instance. Much more on the side of the govt, but Bundy isn't without blame as well.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 12, 2014 12:38 PM (GEICT)

147 BLM was blocking the highway both ways. Now traffic is moving out as they apparently leave still no cattle BLM read a statement saying they could continue to graze cattle

Posted by: thunderb at April 12, 2014 12:38 PM (zOTsN)

148 Who do you trust more, obama or Alex Jones? You can't say 'neither.' Pick one.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 12, 2014 12:39 PM (o2Pn7)

149 IMO there's plenty of wrong to go around in this instance. Much more on the side of the govt, but Bundy isn't without blame as well. *** I agree with this.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 12:39 PM (DmNpO)

150 There are folks on twitter claiming that the feds appear to be regrouping and it was just a ploy to get the protesters to disperse. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 04:19 PM (DmNpO) Great. Then it will get ugly.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 12:40 PM (IXrOn)

151 Me? Let me put it this way: I trust obama as much as I trust any serpent.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 12, 2014 12:40 PM (o2Pn7)

152 That's all it took. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 04:01 PM (DmNpO) Craftsman tools used to be very good in my opinion. I have a set of wrenches & screwdrivers that have aged gracefully along with me ever since my Dad gifted me with them as he expected his sons to be able to repair most anything that came along. The lifetime tool warranty seemed to die along with the Roebuck name, however.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 12, 2014 12:40 PM (o3MSL)

153 If Johnny Cash was alive he would do a song about this. Did you see there is a new album coming out of old stuff recorded before he died? I for one can't wait, I love that guy.

Posted by: the man at April 12, 2014 12:40 PM (hqVUe)

154 I said at the beginning that the posse comitatus angle was a loser and the Bundys are wrong to keep pursuing it that said I believe Reid and that state of Nevada want the land for something else and will use the EPA to torment anyone who stands in their way

Posted by: thunderb at April 12, 2014 12:41 PM (zOTsN)

155 I don't care if the Bundy's are wrong. I hate the government in this case.

Posted by: Ronster at April 12, 2014 12:42 PM (puNd6)

156 If they are pulling a fast one on the protesters, then I imagine they will clear them out and then block all the accessible entrances to the ranch and the Bundys will be on their own out there.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 12:44 PM (DmNpO)

157 52 ranchers are gone. Out of business. One man is left. Harry Reid wants that land. Obama sends goons with guns to confiscate cattle from that land. The Feds throw out a story about some stupid turtles. I'm having a real hard time working up any sympathy for the administration point of view here.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 12:45 PM (oMKp3)

158 On now on TNT is Runanway Jury, or whatever it's called, with Gene Hackman, Dustin Hoffman, Joan Cusack, and Nick Searcy. I think it's an anti-gun lobby movie.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 12, 2014 12:46 PM (o2Pn7)

159 The Bundy's could've "paid and made this all go away", if in fact they have the money, I don't know that they do. But this has obviously become more than a fee-issue for the Feds.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 12, 2014 12:46 PM (ZshNr)

160

Infowars and Alex Jones are crazy.  I am saddened by the anti Semitism I see on Zerohedge too.  Read through a thread and it is almost as bad as reading some Stormfront shit.  We, I'm afraid, are headed into some choppy waters.  There is a bubbling undercurrent of angst ready to burst forth.  I am not hopeful.

Posted by: Decidedly Indifferent at April 12, 2014 12:47 PM (jucos)

161 You don't think John Wayne came out of the womb wearing chaps do you?

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Um, yeah.  Why wouldn't I?

Posted by: jc at April 12, 2014 12:48 PM (i8c5b)

162 Did the Feds pull a Darth Vader and change the deal? Is that what Bundy is trying to tell us?

Posted by: eman at April 12, 2014 12:49 PM (AO9UG)

163 Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 04:45 PM (oMKp3) It sure is easy to believe that our rulers really don't give a shit about us, the Constitution, or equality before the law when this sort of crap goes on. I expect a lot of bad stuff to happen in the dark tonight, none of which will get even a passing mention on the Sunday "news" shows. But the important thing is that Harry Reid, his relatives, and the correct set of Democrat cronies will get yet another windfall profit from unexpectedly being in the right place at the right time.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 12, 2014 12:49 PM (o3MSL)

164 "Humanity has not yet evolved and we do not as yet know a type of |furniture| superior to and better than |Ikea furniture|." -- Lenin Later.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 12, 2014 12:50 PM (9W+0f)

165 161 You don't think John Wayne came out of the womb wearing chaps do you? ==== Um, yeah. Why wouldn't I? Posted by: jc at April 12, 2014 04:48 PM (i8c5b) Of course. After all he was on horseback.

Posted by: eman at April 12, 2014 12:51 PM (AO9UG)

166 at worst the Bundys trespassed and didn't pay fees, for 20 years at worst the government used the EPA to destroy small businesses, tried to take property contracted for one use and give it to cronies and line their pockets at the same time, suppressed free speech, suppressed freedom of assembly, took property without proper adjudication, committed assault, and threatened to kill protestors not a close call one side committed administrative violations the other side shit all over the constitution

Posted by: thunderb at April 12, 2014 12:51 PM (zOTsN)

167 But this has obviously become more than a fee-issue for the Feds. Posted by: Lincolntf at April 12, 2014 04:46 PM (ZshNr) Thou shalt not challenge Democratic totalitarianism! The "school" solution to the command "Jump!" is "How high sir?".

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 12, 2014 12:52 PM (o3MSL)

168 The Republicans are all over this, though, which is nice. hahahahahahahaha!

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 12, 2014 12:54 PM (o2Pn7)

169 Due to budget cuts the feds had to kill all the desert turtles in the rehab program. I guess they had PETA as a consultant on that. The new solar plant west of there is frying birds in the air when they fly by. The towers are 400 feet tall and there are 3 of them so they have good coverage in bird knockdown. The average american can be expected to pay a huge fine for killing a raptor, but if you operate a wind farm or solar farm and kill many hawks and eagles you are forgiven. But if you are an indian wanting to kill an eagle for tribal and religious purposes, well then fuck you. Pay a fine. I grew up in Barstow, I know the desert, It's full of snakes.

Posted by: the man at April 12, 2014 12:54 PM (hqVUe)

170 I think this goes beyond paying fees for using federal land. The response of the government to this event is entirely disproportionate and beyond reasonable. I'm not sure why they need the firepower they have unless its for pure intimidation.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 12, 2014 12:54 PM (60Vyp)

171 That BB article has some wrong stuff and is missing some stuff.


First off that was never federal land that they were "allowing" him to run cattle on.  It was State land that Bundy had a contract to run cattle on.  The feds came up with that BS turtle story and took the land from the State.  Since dirty harry is the chief pol in the State they didn't argue about it. The damn turtle has been doing fine wit the cattle since 1870 and I would trust an EPA turtle counter father than I could toss him.  The EPA has been amking massive illegal takings and power grabs for a while now.  In fact a federal judge just told their lawyers off in court.  Why he didn't jail them for contempt I don't know.  Once again the only people punished were the taxpayers.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 12, 2014 12:55 PM (T2V/1)

172 This should probably be in the Gardening Thread, but, the flowers at Augusta National's course are so beautiful.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 12:55 PM (IXrOn)

173 The Bundy's could've "paid and made this all go away", if in fact they have the money, I don't know that they do. But this has obviously become more than a fee-issue for the Feds. *** I don't believe they could have. After all, I would imagine that at least some of the 52 other ranchers would have preferred to stay in business as well. Yes. He owes grazing fees, yet the real pressure on him appears to have started in the 90's with the designation of the desert tortoise as a protected species. A ploy to run him off?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 12:56 PM (DmNpO)

174 And BTW, the BLM has openly admitted they raised the grazing fees beyond reason to get rid of the ranchers. They never intended for the ranchers to pay them in the first place.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 12, 2014 12:56 PM (T2V/1)

175 The damn turtle has been doing fine wit the cattle since 1870 and I would trust an EPA turtle counter father than I could toss him. *** the turtles have done so well that they have taken to euthanizing them. No kidding.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 12:57 PM (DmNpO)

176 I grew up in Barstow


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My condolences.

Posted by: jc at April 12, 2014 12:58 PM (i8c5b)

177 Follow the money.

Posted by: eman at April 12, 2014 12:58 PM (AO9UG)

178 Bundy is in violation of two different federal court orders issued by two different judges. The federal govt is far more in the wrong for a shitload of reasons, but if we're gonna claim that the feds have to respect the rule of law then that same standard has to apply to the Bundys. He went to court, multiple times, and lost. Don't get me wrong, I have no love for the federal govt or their actions here. But Bundy isn't a complete innocent here.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 12, 2014 12:58 PM (GEICT)

179 I think Harry was on the phone all night telling them to make this shit disappear ASAP or else. Nothing else could have made them change their minds this quickly except a call from the "right" person. This shit has pissed me off all day. These lifer politicians need to GTFO of Washington!

Posted by: spypeach at April 12, 2014 12:58 PM (10H0T)

180 Yes, I think they deliberately made conditions unbearable for anyone trying to make a living raising cattle in that region. His paying wouldn't have changed that one bit. Maybe his refusal will.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 12, 2014 12:58 PM (ZshNr)

181 I'm not sure why they need the firepower they have unless its for pure intimidation. *** Bundy made a statement that the family would "do what they have to" to keep their land and cattle and, of course, the feds took that as a threat.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 12:59 PM (DmNpO)

182 the EPA is a tool of the statist which is used to pick winners and loser, to punish enemies and reward friends, to make your opponents poor and your supporters rich its a protection racket, no different that the mafia its just a little more obvious in Nevada

Posted by: thunderb at April 12, 2014 01:00 PM (zOTsN)

183 So, remember when people wanted to have beef that was not raised in a pen and fed a lot of antibiotics and stuff.  Remember when "free range" was something people valued?


Me neither.

Posted by: jc at April 12, 2014 01:00 PM (i8c5b)

184 Don't get me wrong, I have no love for the federal govt or their actions here. But Bundy isn't a complete innocent here. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 12, 2014 04:58 PM (GEICT) Not sure I agree, especially in NV, who were the judges? Everyone is bought and paid for these days. It's all about the money, and in some cases blackmail.

Posted by: spypeach at April 12, 2014 01:01 PM (10H0T)

185 Don't get me wrong, I have no love for the federal govt or their actions here. But Bundy isn't a complete innocent here.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 12, 2014 04:58 PM (GEICT)



Do you trust any court in a State w/ Harry Land Deal Reed?

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 12, 2014 01:01 PM (T2V/1)

186 Bundy is in violation of two different federal court orders issued by two different judges. The federal govt is far more in the wrong for a shitload of reasons, but if we're gonna claim that the feds have to respect the rule of law then that same standard has to apply to the Bundys. He went to court, multiple times, and lost. Don't get me wrong, I have no love for the federal govt or their actions here. But Bundy isn't a complete innocent here. *** I agree but with a caveat. The court rulings only address the current law which indicates his need to pay grazing fees to the feds. The courts, IIUC, have not addressed the issue of whether the actions which placed those Nevada lands, and his prior land deal, in fed hands, crossed the line or not.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 01:02 PM (DmNpO)

187 Here is an article I found at WRSA. It tells the story of another rancher, Wayne Hage, in the 1980s and 90s. It explores the complex legal issues of water and grazing rights, how Federal agencies were taken over by environmentalists who were openly hostile to ranching, and shows the lengths the government will go to if they decide they want what you have. I can only imagine that the situation has gotten worse in the 20+ years since that story unfolded. Just think of all of the leftist federal judges that have been appointed by Clinton and Obama since then. https://tinyurl.com/qx2ylkm

Posted by: rickl at April 12, 2014 01:02 PM (sdi6R)

188 On topic, Monday morning I'm calling a carpenter for a couple repairs I'd been putting off. I'm momentarily cured of procrastination... Posted by: Mama AJ at April 12, 2014 04:37 PM (SUKHu) ---------- Am I the only one that sees a little irony in those two sentences?

Posted by: shredded chi at April 12, 2014 01:03 PM (gGrg8)

189 Maybe there are too many bodies buried out there, and Reid is afraid they'll be found. How far is it from Vegas? jk

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 01:03 PM (IXrOn)

190 Balanced against Statism, the Feds have the stronger case, against individual liberty, Bundy wins hands down.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 12, 2014 01:03 PM (ZshNr)

191 185 Don't get me wrong, I have no love for the federal govt or their actions here. But Bundy isn't a complete innocent here. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 12, 2014 04:58 PM (GEICT) Do you trust any court in a State w/ Harry Land Deal Reed? Posted by: Vic at April 12, 2014 05:01 PM (T2V/1) Resisting the government does not erase your innocence.

Posted by: eman at April 12, 2014 01:03 PM (AO9UG)

192 I agree but with a caveat. The court rulings only address the current law which indicates his need to pay grazing fees to the feds. The courts, IIUC, have not addressed the issue of whether the actions which placed those Nevada lands, and his prior land deal, in fed hands, crossed the line or not. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 05:02 PM (DmNpO) 100% agreed.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 12, 2014 01:04 PM (GEICT)

193 The Bundy's have been at this for decades. Have any of their lawyers come forth? I haven't seen it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 01:04 PM (IXrOn)

194 Here is an article I found at WRSA. It tells the story of another rancher, Wayne Hage, in the 1980s and 90s. It explores the complex legal issues of water and grazing rights, how Federal agencies were taken over by environmentalists who were openly hostile to ranching, and shows the lengths the government will go to if they decide they want what you have. I can only imagine that the situation has gotten worse in the 20+ years since that story unfolded. Just think of all of the leftist federal judges that have been appointed by Clinton and Obama since then. https://tinyurl.com/qx2ylkm *** The Hage family story was told on an FNC special last week 'Enemies of the State'. They were the first and the last segments and the story has actually evolved since they shot the footage. The $14M or so they were awarded previously has been dismissed as of last week.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 01:04 PM (DmNpO)

195 BC, I don't think anyone has said Bundy doesn't bear some culpability in this. But bringing to bear a battalion of armed men with automatic weapons and air assets against a family of ranchers is analogous to what the founders were describing when they wrote the Declaration of Independence.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 12, 2014 01:05 PM (60Vyp)

196

 John Wayne didn't come out of the womb wearing chaps?

LIES!!! LIES!!1111 Blasphemer!! >

 

I prefer to decorate my home in hobo skin and the skin of hippies I throat punched to death.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 12, 2014 01:05 PM (VqV1Z)

197 Am I the only one that sees a little irony in those two sentences? *** heh

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 01:05 PM (DmNpO)

198 What's not manly about using leather sandbags as gun rests when shooting out your window? Short of using burning the text of the Constitution into the leather you aren't going to do better than that *** HA! I finally got it! The pillows in the windows.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 01:06 PM (DmNpO)

199 194 The $14M or so they were awarded previously has been dismissed as of last week. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 05:04 PM (DmNpO) That's what I get for not watching TV.

Posted by: rickl at April 12, 2014 01:06 PM (sdi6R)

200

Apparently Bundy has been paying his grazing fees to Clark County...not the BLM.

 

And that pissed off the BLM, so they confiscated his cattle.

 

I've been reading so many different accounts of this, it's hard to know what is true and what isn't.

 

NDH is right about the Bundys needing a good spokesman.

They really do.

 

BLM has said they're going to release what's left of his cattle...

They protesters are standing by to see if that happens.

 

The interesting thing is that when people started poking into the story about Dirty Hairy Reed's connection to all this...then the Feds throw up their hands and start 'making nice'.

Posted by: wheatie at April 12, 2014 01:06 PM (FWbLS)

201 Brandon Darby ‏@brandondarby 3m The BLM is about to release the cattle. Instructions are being given to the crowd Brandon Darby ‏@brandondarby 3m The Bundy family and neighbors on horseback waiting to retrieve their cattle. pic.twitter.com/rfFjM1r5lM

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 12, 2014 01:08 PM (GEICT)

202 That's what I get for not watching TV. *** The news about the dismissal of their monetary award was so new that it didn't even make it into the show. I only learned about it when researching the story after the show aired.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 01:08 PM (DmNpO)

203 BTW, that was a damn good FNC special

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 01:09 PM (DmNpO)

204 Darth Harry knew the cow patties would soon smack him in the face so he called off the storm troopers.

Posted by: eman at April 12, 2014 01:09 PM (AO9UG)

205 I have a hard time believing that this is really over. The Feds must have a Plan B somewhere. No way do they go slinking off with their tails between their legs after putting on such a show of force.

Posted by: rickl at April 12, 2014 01:10 PM (sdi6R)

206 they will prolly give him his cattle back. Dead. then they will have bankrupted him

Posted by: thunderb at April 12, 2014 01:11 PM (zOTsN)

207 Brandon Darby ‏@brandondarby 4m There are literally about 50 SUVs full of federal agents leaving the area before the cattle are freed. #BundyRanch Brandon Darby ‏@brandondarby 54s The Bundy family and friends are almost there ... pic.twitter.com/cvyFI6huIk

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 12, 2014 01:11 PM (GEICT)

208 I read somewhere and am not sure it is accurate. The feds own/control 75% of the land in Nevada. If that is the case, why is Nevada a state? Why does it need two Senators, including the cretin lording over the Senate right now. Why not just make Las Vegas the western Washington DC and get it over with?

Posted by: Jen at April 12, 2014 01:12 PM (Mt+Yq)

209 205 I have a hard time believing that this is really over. The Feds must have a Plan B somewhere. No way do they go slinking off with their tails between their legs after putting on such a show of force.

Posted by: rickl at April 12, 2014 05:10 PM (sdi6R)


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No way I can square that comment with my impression of Obama foreign policy, unless the Bundys are soon killed by drones.

Posted by: jc at April 12, 2014 01:12 PM (i8c5b)

210 204 Darth Harry knew the cow patties would soon smack him in the face so he called off the storm troopers. Posted by: eman at April 12, 2014 05:09 PM (AO9UG) I wonder if they were prepared to mobilize the National Guard against the Bundys and the protestors? That could have gotten interesting real quick.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 01:12 PM (oMKp3)

211 The Democrats saw that this story would ass ram them this Fall. They already know they are going to get a no-lube, full penetration reaming, but this story was going to a habanero sauce enema.

Posted by: eman at April 12, 2014 01:13 PM (AO9UG)

212 How many desert tortoises are there? If the ranchers just killed all of the tortoises then that would solve the problem.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 01:14 PM (ZPrif)

213 Feds own 85% of Nevada.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 01:14 PM (ZPrif)

214 Well, I thought the FNC special might be on Roku, but it's not there yet.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 01:14 PM (DmNpO)

215 Look at a map of NV. Did you notice that the govt owns quite a bit of it? Dry lakes for all.

Posted by: the man at April 12, 2014 01:14 PM (hqVUe)

216 I do the leather. Currently I'm building two guitar stands holding four guitars each. The cradle for the guitars is saddle leather mounted on a bois d'arc frame. I learned to tool leather in Scouts and taught myself to braid. I mostly braid, appliqué and edge lacing. I'm putting a four strand round edge on the guitar saddle leather. I have a friend in Tasmania who makes stunning Australian stock whips and bull whips. Simon Martin Whips dot com I've done two in my life but nothing like Simon can do. Check him out.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 12, 2014 01:14 PM (COdgh)

217 208 I read somewhere and am not sure it is accurate. The feds own/control 75% of the land in Nevada. If that is the case, why is Nevada a state? Why does it need two Senators, including the cretin lording over the Senate right now. Why not just make Las Vegas the western Washington DC and get it over with?

Posted by: Jen at April 12, 2014 05:12 PM (Mt+Yq)


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it is worse in Alaska.  On top of owning outrageous amounts of land and every practical travel corridor -- the feds sometimes claim folks can't anything on state or private land within eyesight or hearing range of their land.

Posted by: jc at April 12, 2014 01:15 PM (i8c5b)

218 I read somewhere and am not sure it is accurate. The feds own/control 75% of the land in Nevada. If that is the case, why is Nevada a state? Why does it need two Senators, including the cretin lording over the Senate right now. Why not just make Las Vegas the western Washington DC and get it over with? *** More like 85%

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 01:15 PM (DmNpO)

219 Map of Federal land ownership http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_all_U.S._Federal_Land.jpg

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 01:15 PM (ZPrif)

220 "I wonder if they were prepared to mobilize the National Guard against the [BLM]? That could have gotten interesting real quick." FIFY. 😜

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 12, 2014 01:15 PM (60Vyp)

221 I believe I saw that the feds "own" around 50% of the land west of the Rockies, including Alaska and Hawaii. Insanity.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 12, 2014 01:16 PM (GEICT)

222 Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 12, 2014 05:15 PM (60Vyp) That would be something to see. Awesome.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 01:17 PM (oMKp3)

223 I think it's possible that BLM/Forest Service own 75% with 10% owned by other Federal agencies.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 01:18 PM (ZPrif)

224 I have moved into my first place, a condo, this past fall. The other day taking measurements of my layout, I discovered that my Window sills are 3 inches deeper on the north side as they are on the south (19 vs 22).  So I then removed the cable out let cover and looked inside to find there is a good 9.5 inches from the outer stone wall and interior sheet-rock.  I would love to get extra square footage out of my place, but how much would it cost to tear down and re-frame 26 feet? 

It's probably a pipe dream, but I can't help thinking about what I could do with that extra 4-5 inches.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 12, 2014 01:18 PM (7zo7A)

225 Fox News Reporting is airing at 10 pm tonight. The channel guide does not yet say what the subject is but it sure would be timely to replay the 'Enemies of the State' episode.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 01:19 PM (DmNpO)

226 The news about the dismissal of their monetary award was so new that it didn't even make it into the show. I only learned about it when researching the story after the show aired. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 05:08 PM (DmNpO) I posted about Hage's story on a thread yesterday. Here is a detailed description of what happened to them, the most recent court actions including the overturning of their award, and the successful property rights organization that has come out of it. http://americanstewards.us/hage-v-us

Posted by: Jen at April 12, 2014 01:19 PM (Mt+Yq)

227 I always liked Mary Schiavo. Glad to see she's making bank from CNN for all the vapid chatter on Flight 370.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 12, 2014 01:19 PM (o2Pn7)

228 It's probably a pipe dream, but I can't help thinking about what I could do with that extra 4-5 inches. Posted by: Serious Cat at April 12, 2014 05:18 PM (7zo7A) Phrasing

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 12, 2014 01:19 PM (GEICT)

229 The land should at least be under state control so states can decide on whether to mine, drill, frack, etc. And not have to ask Obama and the eco-nazis for permission. If North Dakota and Texas were mostly owned by the Feds there'd be no fracking revolution going on.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 01:20 PM (ZPrif)

230 A few douche canoes residing in the Washington D.C. swamp think they rule over us. So far they seem to be right.

Posted by: eman at April 12, 2014 01:20 PM (AO9UG)

231 Phrasing Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 12, 2014 05:19 PM (GEICT) haha, My first thought, I've been here too long, geeze.

Posted by: spypeach at April 12, 2014 01:21 PM (10H0T)

232 If North Dakota and Texas were mostly owned by the Feds there'd be no fracking revolution going on. Posted by: Costanza Defense this this this permitorium, anyone?

Posted by: thunderb at April 12, 2014 01:22 PM (zOTsN)

233 I don't even understand the concept of federally owned land. They have DC. That's all they should get. There is no area called "federal". There are no people called federal. There are Nevadans, and Californians, and Alaskans, that belong to a union of states. The land belongs to the state in which it is located. Isn't that the way we are set up as a nation? What am I missing?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 01:22 PM (oMKp3)

234

208 I read somewhere and am not sure it is accurate. The feds own/control 75% of the land in Nevada. If that is the case, why is Nevada a state? Why does it need two Senators, including the cretin lording over the Senate right now. Why not just make Las Vegas the western Washington DC and get it over with?

 

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The Feds don't really 'own' the land.

It belongs to the state of Nevada.

 

This stuff all goes back to the days of the 'Open Range'...back in the 1800's.

 

When these Western States became states, there was an agreement put in place...whereby the Feds would 'manage' the so-called Open Range.

 

This was because of all the 'range wars' that had been going on.

 

European elitists had come in and created big cattle ranches.

They put up fences on the Open Range areas, claiming exclusive grazing rights to parts of it.

 

This pissed off the small ranchers.

All out wars broke out...and the Feds sent in troops to keep the peace.

 

But now, IMHO, it's time for these vast areas of land to be turned back over to the states.

This would keep the Feds out of it.

Posted by: wheatie at April 12, 2014 01:22 PM (FWbLS)

235 224>> Pretty sure Sandra Fluke could give you some pointers.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 12, 2014 01:22 PM (60Vyp)

236 I know a guy who got one of those tiny houses for his mother in law. It works pretty good.

Posted by: navybrat at April 12, 2014 01:23 PM (JgC5a)

237 Nevada, Oregon, Idaho, Utah, and Alaska are the 5 states majority owned by the Feds.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 01:23 PM (ZPrif)

238 I also reject the notion of Federal Land that's off-limits to the public, notwithstanding security and safety needs. I've gotten in the face of more than one park ranger who told me what to do and where to go in "my" park.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 12, 2014 01:25 PM (ZshNr)

239 I'd bet money that man served in our military. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 03:16 PM (DmNpO) ...and if he didn't, shame on our military.

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at April 12, 2014 01:25 PM (2oU2+)

240 I'm watching Stossel right now and the subject is taxation. I like this Yaron Brook fellow, he of the Ayn rand Institute.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 01:25 PM (DmNpO)

241 Map of Federal land ownership http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_all_U.S._Federal_Land.jpg Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 05:15 PM (ZPrif) OMG!!

Posted by: Jen at April 12, 2014 01:26 PM (Mt+Yq)

242 This also part and parcel of the ruling class desired to jack up the price of beef and force the peasantry onto a low protein diet.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 01:26 PM (ZPrif)

243 I know a guy who got one of those tiny houses for his mother in law. It works pretty good. *** is it located where his own home is?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 01:26 PM (DmNpO)

244 I know when the BLM or OMB or whatever federal agency tried to closed down the federal land areas here in Wisconsin during the shutdown, Walker told them to go pound sand.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 01:26 PM (oMKp3)

245 This also part and parcel of the ruling class desired to jack up the price of beef and force the peasantry onto a low protein diet. *** If you can't ban cow farts, make it impossible to raise cattle.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 01:27 PM (DmNpO)

246  It's probably a pipe dream, but I can't help thinking about what I could do with that extra 4-5 inches.  ---------- The jokes almost write themselves around here! Time to put the chicken on the grill - catch y'all later

Posted by: shredded chi at April 12, 2014 01:28 PM (gGrg8)

247 No way I can square that comment with my impression of Obama foreign policy, unless the Bundys are soon killed by drones. Posted by: jc at April 12, 2014 05:12 PM (i8c5b) or some strange brush fire that wipes out the ranch

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 01:28 PM (IXrOn)

248 It bothered me that I didn't see very many young people in the crowds of support. A lot of vets and older people. They protest loudly for free birth control, but not freedom. A generation or two disappear, the country is screwed.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 01:29 PM (IXrOn)

249 "is it located where his own home is?" Out back. He lets her in if it gets really cold.

Posted by: navybrat at April 12, 2014 01:29 PM (JgC5a)

250 The Feds don't really 'own' the land. It belongs to the state of Nevada. Posted by: wheatie at April 12, 2014 05:22 PM (FWbLS) Even more reason that the Gov.of Nevada is a total weenbag.

Posted by: Jen at April 12, 2014 01:30 PM (Mt+Yq)

251 233 I don't even understand the concept of federally owned land. They have DC. That's all they should get. There is no area called "federal". There are no people called federal. There are Nevadans, and Californians, and Alaskans, that belong to a union of states. The land belongs to the state in which it is located. Isn't that the way we are set up as a nation? What am I missing?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 05:22 PM (oMKp3)


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In the case of Alaska, there is a certain merit to the idea of what the feds own because rights were purchased from Russia using Federal dollars.  So, taxpayers all over the U.S. put up the bucks.  (Not that Russia had a valid claim in the first place.  Brutality = ownership.)


Same holds true for the Louisiana Purchase.


However, at some point, when the government loses track that it is the instrument of the people, rather than the ruler of the people, all of these historic ownership issues diminish in importance when compared to "the King's deer" problems.

Posted by: jc at April 12, 2014 01:30 PM (i8c5b)

252 thunderb The inverse, Infowars to Breitbart News. Without Breitbart, now dead, his crew of reporters proved no different than any other neoconservative puppets interested in buttering their bread, and having stories "served" to them for watered down publication. Whereas, were AJones to be dissected from Infowars (miracle), it's the investigative journalists in the organization who deserve Kudos for being amongst the FINEST research teams in American independent news. "Memememememe, Nonononononono" - spare us. Were Jones unassociated with his organization, they and those who follow would no longer suffer his horrible outrages that match Hitler in stylistic mannerisms and irrational juxtapositions. For instance, logic does not simultaneously worship our Founding Fathers for their integrity in purpose and dedication in Spirit, Freedom and Genius, winning our Independence and organizing our tri-partite Constitutional Government; and then condemn Free Masonry as evil and satanic. Politically, were Jones truly devoted to Constitutional Governance in Texas and the USA, he would not have personally stabbed Debra Medina's Republican Party governor campaign in the back because she publicly allowed people to reach their own conclusions rather than submit to Alex Jones' dogma on X, Y or Z. That said, Paul Watson and the team of investigative reporters that contribute to the Infowar website have themselves earned the same categorization I give to James O'Keefe and Michael Yon, to people who stick their neck out to see what's REALLY going down rather than STFU, stay in the shell, and repeat what comes down through the pike. I don't frequent the site. But I have absolutely no problem reading an Infowars article linked from Drudge.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 12, 2014 01:30 PM (/vO0r)

253

What's interesting...is that the FAA created a new "No Fly Zone" right over the Bundy Ranch.

 

This happened yesterday.

 

Here's a video about it that I stumbled upon:

 

"BREAKING: FAA Restricts Airspace Over Bundy Ranch"

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?

v=j4mCo3zrpfA&list=UULoNQH9R CndfUGOb2f7E1Ew&feature=share&index=5

Posted by: wheatie at April 12, 2014 01:31 PM (FWbLS)

254 Yeah, people are often surprised how much of America the Feds own. Here's a map that breaks it down by agency http://www.standeyo.com/NEWS/10_USA/10_USA_pics/100528.federal.land.jpg BLM owns the most, then the Forest Service.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 01:32 PM (ZPrif)

255 The headline on the Nevada Ranch standoff says "won the war" -- but really, it is one battle, not the war. I hope the best for follow through on behalf of the Cattle Ranch, symbolizing American entrepreneurship, Individualism, and the right to own your own land and business and home, and firearms amongst other things like cattle.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 12, 2014 01:33 PM (/vO0r)

256 They protest loudly for free birth control, but not freedom.

Moron offspring excepted, kids think "free shit so they can party" is what freedom IS, because that's all they've ever been taught.

Posted by: HR at April 12, 2014 01:34 PM (hO8IJ)

257 America's individual rights supplied by the Constitution under God, Obama's putter supplied by Fisher-Price.

Posted by: Fritz at April 12, 2014 01:34 PM (oJUxt)

258 Folks, please. Use either bitly.com or tinyurl.com When you don't, and it blows out the margins, the possibility exists that either Ace or one of the COBs will come in and delete your comment altogether. It happened yesterday.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 01:35 PM (DmNpO)

259 I read about the no-fly zone this morning. It is in effect from April 11 to May 11. Now that the BLM is leaving, will it be rescinded? If the answer is "no" then this is not over.

Posted by: rickl at April 12, 2014 01:35 PM (sdi6R)

260 Still a bit confused about the claim the Feds don't really own the land. They decide how that land is used. States can't do anything with it without permission from the Feds. Sure seems like the Feds really do own it.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 01:36 PM (ZPrif)

261 "BREAKING: FAA Restricts Airspace Over Bundy Ranch" *** I can see two reasons for dong so. 1. to keep the press away 2. to keep the cattle from freaking out

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 01:36 PM (DmNpO)

262 There's a letter supposedly written by Shiree Bundy Cox floating all over the web. It's long. http://tinyurl.com/ootwjyr not sure if it's real beforeitsnews and the freerepublic both post it

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 01:36 PM (IXrOn)

263 Still a bit confused about the claim the Feds don't really own the land. They decide how that land is used. States can't do anything with it without permission from the Feds. Sure seems like the Feds really do own it. *** As I understand it the land belonged to Nevada until the feds spotted a tortoise and claimed it was endangered, and then swooped in to "protect" the tortoise's habitat, effectively nullifying the deal the rancher(s) had with the state.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 01:37 PM (DmNpO)

264 the feds own it but they entered a contract to allow grazing which they wanted to get out of so the made it impossible to graze on the land they used the EPA to more or less break the contract

Posted by: thunderb at April 12, 2014 01:38 PM (zOTsN)

265 Even more reason that the Gov.of Nevada is a total weenbag.

Posted by: Jen

Yes, what the hell is up with him?

I know nothing about him but he's coming out of this looking like an impotent pud, aka a standard GOP pol.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 12, 2014 01:39 PM (SZLoS)

266 I can see two reasons for dong so. 1. to keep the press away 2. to keep the cattle from freaking out Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse they were already running the cattle to death with their own helicopters they don't give a shit about that its to hide what they are doing

Posted by: thunderb at April 12, 2014 01:40 PM (zOTsN)

267 BREAKING: FAA Restricts Airspace Over Bundy Ranch" *** I can see two reasons for dong so. 1. to keep the press away 2. to keep the cattle from freaking out Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 05:36 PM (DmNpO) Imagine how many tortoises were trampled. Or, just had tortoise heart attacks.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 01:40 PM (IXrOn)

268 they were already running the cattle to death with their own helicopters they don't give a shit about that its to hide what they are doing Posted by: thunderb at April 12, 2014 05:40 PM (zOTsN) Worst image to put on TV, a dead calf separated from its mother.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 01:41 PM (IXrOn)

269 Bundy already said the cows had calved and the little ones couldn't keep up. He said he thought they were running them to death

Posted by: thunderb at April 12, 2014 01:42 PM (zOTsN)

270 Just about any Federal Agency created grows into a nine headed hydra, swells with bureaucrats who then want to justify their job, and the agency then becomes an enemy of a free people. Once they have served their useful function, and no one wants to get rid of them, they turn into absolute dictatorial monsters. They make thousands of "laws" called regulations and now the Fed gov sees fit to militarize them. There is no way any of us are not in some way, violating some Fed. law at this point in time. Whether it is the EPA, HHS, the IRS, BLM, the Forest Service, the Park Service, etc. they have combined hundreds of thousands of regulations, any of which can be used to force you to do this or that if someone decides to use it as a weapon. States are going to have to have a convention. We have to find a way to cut back the Fed. behemoth.

Posted by: Jen at April 12, 2014 01:42 PM (Mt+Yq)

271 Worst image to put on TV, a dead calf separated from its mother. *** People who could care less about people wuld be outraged over a dead calf.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 12, 2014 01:43 PM (DmNpO)

272

259 I read about the no-fly zone this morning. It is in effect from April 11 to May 11.

 

 

Now that the BLM is leaving, will it be rescinded? If the answer is "no" then this is not over.

 

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Yeah, no I don't think this is over.

 

There is too much 'big money' at stake here, in Dirty Hairy's land deals. 

Posted by: wheatie at April 12, 2014 01:44 PM (FWbLS)

273 I am required to believe in evolution (actually, I believe it anyway), but I am also required to believe that species are not allowed to become endangered or go extinct.


Well, this is a nutty starting point -- but, why not?  OK, so since I am in no big hurry to lose the natural world around me, why not try to avoid thoughtlessly killing off various species?  (As opposed to outrageous measures to save species that are past their time.)


So far, so good.  Now mix in a bunch of unaccountable, true-believer bureaucrats and a media/LIV worship of all things government.  Shit. Shit.  Shit.  Well, it all made sense up to a point.


When common sense dies all is lost.

Posted by: jc at April 12, 2014 01:45 PM (i8c5b)

274 269 Bundy already said the cows had calved and the little ones couldn't keep up. He said he thought they were running them to death That's sick. These people are twisted. "Protect" a turtle by euthanizing them, and kill baby calves to show who's in charge. The entire government needs to go. Republican, democrat, they all need to get the boot. Time to clean house of these power mad money grubbing snakes.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 01:46 PM (oMKp3)

275 The entire government needs to go. Republican, democrat, they all need to get the boot. Time to clean house of these power mad money grubbing snakes. Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 05:46 PM (oMKp3) Totally agree, but how?

Posted by: spypeach at April 12, 2014 01:47 PM (10H0T)

276 Even more reason that the Gov.of Nevada is a total weenbag. Posted by: Jen Yes, what the hell is up with him? I know nothing about him but he's coming out of this looking like an impotent pud, aka a standard GOP pol. Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 12, 2014 05:39 PM (SZLoS) I would venture a guess that he is totally controlled by Harry Reid and Reid's accomplices in the Las Vegas unions and real estate ventures. After all, what else is there in the state that is independent of the Feds, other than scattered out ranches and a cowboy poetry festival that is supported with federal tax dollars?

Posted by: Jen at April 12, 2014 01:47 PM (Mt+Yq)

277 in other news... Someone in my hood is smoking something delicious, I can't pin point it but OMG it smells wonderful. It's like bacon and hickory and bacon and beef.

Posted by: spypeach at April 12, 2014 01:48 PM (10H0T)

278 Posted by: spypeach at April 12, 2014 05:47 PM (10H0T) I'm thinking Jesus with a bullwhip.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 01:48 PM (oMKp3)

279 BLM owns the most, then the Forest Service.

Posted by: Costanza Defense

The idea that the BLM, an agency, owns anything is antithetical to our Republic.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 12, 2014 01:48 PM (SZLoS)

280 The tiny house my pal has is not on a trailer bed. It is on a foundation. He built it from plans. That is another option. Do a search on Tumbleweed Tiny House. It comes right up. I could get used to one as a second home, or a fishing shack or other such thing. Artist studio, spare bedrooms for when the grandkids come over.

Posted by: navybrat at April 12, 2014 01:49 PM (JgC5a)

281 Tomorrow is Palm Sunday.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 12, 2014 01:50 PM (o2Pn7)

282 the government we have is a reflection of the culture we live in. The battles need to be fought, in addition to our government leaders, but more importantly the universities, the networks, the arts. Trying to change just government will never work on its own.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 12, 2014 01:50 PM (7dS+r)

283

260...Sure seems like the Feds really do own it.

 

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No...they don't own it.

It goes back to the original agreements these States made with the Feds.

 

The Feds were to 'temporarily manage' these vast open areas...until the States were to the point that they could assume these duties.

 

So the Federal Government created the Bureau of Land Management to manage these areas.

 

Over time...the Feds began to claim 'ownership'.

And the States haven't contested this.

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 12, 2014 01:50 PM (FWbLS)

284 I would venture a guess that he is totally controlled by Harry Reid and Reid's accomplices in the Las Vegas unions and real estate ventures. After all, what else is there in the state that is independent of the Feds, other than scattered out ranches and a cowboy poetry festival that is supported with federal tax dollars?

Posted by: Jen at April 12, 2014 05:47 PM (Mt+Yq)


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No.  Sorry for Politico link -- but it will answer some questions.



http://preview.tinyurl.com/npakb8r

Posted by: jc at April 12, 2014 01:51 PM (i8c5b)

285 "Short of burning the text of the Constitution into the leather"

Wasn't that the rough concept of that Julia Louis-Dreyfuss magazine cover?

Posted by: torquewrench at April 12, 2014 01:51 PM (noWW6)

286 Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 12, 2014 05:50 PM (o2Pn7) Yes indeed.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 12, 2014 01:51 PM (oMKp3)

287 I could get used to one as a second home, or a fishing shack or other such thing. Artist studio, spare bedrooms for when the grandkids come over. Posted by: navybrat at April 12, 2014 05:49 PM (JgC5a) Small is great when it comes to a cottage or fishing place or such. I can have mine cleaned up and put away any time of year in less than an hour. Big houses take away from relaxation time.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 12, 2014 01:52 PM (7dS+r)

288 The only way to improve my home is with a small thermonuclear device.

I hate Spring cleaning. Which is why I never do any.

I'm going to go out and enjoy some global warming.

And birds.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 12, 2014 01:53 PM (JS0vr)

289
I'm going to go out and enjoy some global warming.

And birds.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 12, 2014 05:53 PM (JS0vr)


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we had to confiscate the birds.

Posted by: BLM at April 12, 2014 01:55 PM (i8c5b)

290 There are no birds. The wind farms killed them all.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 12, 2014 01:55 PM (GEICT)

291

288 The only way to improve my home is with a small thermonuclear device.

 

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I know what you mean...I've been making guerilla assaults on it, but there is still a shit ton left to do.

Posted by: wheatie at April 12, 2014 01:56 PM (FWbLS)

292 I cleaned up a boat today. Does that count as spring cleaning?

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 12, 2014 01:57 PM (7dS+r)

293 OT/OT/

RE: Income TAXES.

Just did a quick run through on my 1040 and... shit.  I owe a fuck-ton.  Explain this to me, how can my income go up 72% over last year, yet my taxes go up 118%?

That question was rhetorical, btw.

I bought a house at the tail end of last year, so I can't really benefit from mortgage interest deduction, yet all the closing costs and down payment cut very deep in to my savings. 



Posted by: Serious Cat at April 12, 2014 01:59 PM (7zo7A)

294 Posted by: navybrat at April 12, 2014 05:49 PM (JgC5a) Gushka has one. I think she uses it as an office. She said something about it being a place for friends with cat allergies also, since it was about the only place she could easily keep her cats out of.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 12, 2014 02:00 PM (GDulk)

295 Two 7's on the Richter scale. New Guinea and the Solomon's.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 02:01 PM (bitz6)

296 Serious Cat: I have to file an extension because I can't fund the SEP plan yet. If I don't fund it I'm in the same boat as you. We have some contracts coming in before June, so hopefully the cash crunch will loosen up a bit. It has been a long 5 years............

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 12, 2014 02:01 PM (7dS+r)

297 Over time...the Feds began to claim 'ownership'. And the States haven't contested this. .. Seems like you are arguing semantics. I'm not asking your opinion, or what it should be. I'm asking what the current legal status is. Do the courts recognize the Feds as the owners? The BLM routinely sells land. There was an auction earlier this year where BLM sold 160 acres fro $24M. It seems clear the feds really do own the land. You might not like that, but they do own it. http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/blm-sells-160-acres-auction-nearly-24-million

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 02:02 PM (ZPrif)

298 The Newest Guinea yet!

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 12, 2014 02:02 PM (ZshNr)

299 298 Joe Pesci had a kid?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 02:03 PM (bitz6)

300 Here's a Cato paper on reform federal lands Cato, unsurprisingly, recommends privatizing or turning over to the States most BLM lands. http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/interior/reforming-federal-land-management

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 02:05 PM (ZPrif)

301 Having been watching live feed of Bundy rancher in  Nevada stand up for freedom.

Reported 130 cows died, many with calves, and two bulls shot. Very hot there. Cows stressed from being run down with helicopters.

Over 80 vehicles of armed land management, border patrol and others passed on convoy with one finger salute by those on bridge...who were threatened to be shot for standing up for Bundy earlier.

Many cowboys on horses driving cattle, freed now, back to grazing. I have to say I had a tear in my eye thinking of those Americans willing to die today until the government backed down as more supporters showed up...possibly due to story out of Reid and his son's solar deal with Chinese. It would have been a bloodbath, with armed government agents, in vests, facing Americans. Even with feed cut repeatedly and a no-fly zone overhead, Americans kept advancing.

While the media makes you believe this was all hunky-dory and Bundy did not pay grazing fees (which he did, to state and county), this battle for land by government has been going on for over 20 yrs (if interested, google this writer, who only stopped due to a massive stroke in 2004: J. Zane Walley). Oh, and those desert tortoise they are saying the cattle ran off with grazing? They are euthanizing due to not having funds: yet they can order a militia of over 80 vehicles and armed men vs a rancher?

American freedom won today. But it is probably just a temporary win. I do hope the story of Reid and the solar Chinese company goes viral (they tried to scrub it but, thanks to the Internet, it is saved and Drudge posted).

May God Bless America.




Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at April 12, 2014 02:05 PM (baL2B)

302 Two 7's on the Richter scale. New Guinea and the Solomon's. Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 06:01 PM (bitz6) Our Aussie friends might have felt one of those. Depending on where exactly they live.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 02:07 PM (IXrOn)

303 American freedom won today. But it is probably just a temporary win. I do hope the story of Reid and the solar Chinese company goes viral (they tried to scrub it but, thanks to the Internet, it is saved and Drudge posted). May God Bless America. Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at April 12, 2014 06:05 PM (baL2B) Totally agree <3

Posted by: spypeach at April 12, 2014 02:08 PM (10H0T)

304 I just noticed the Duct Tape Dresses...... Ouch?  Wouldn't that stick to their lady bits and hurt like a mother?

Posted by: Decidedly Indifferent at April 12, 2014 02:11 PM (jucos)

305 1776 is the answer to 1984 " We the people" used to mean something

Posted by: alcoa fedora at April 12, 2014 02:12 PM (hqVUe)

306 Deadex, when it absolutely positively has to get there overnight, come hell or high water.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 02:13 PM (bitz6)

307 It must be fun to live in Chile.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 02:14 PM (bitz6)

308 I had a good accountant prepare my 2013 return and my actual tax was off by 100% (higher naturally) relative to my estimated tax even though my estimated 2013 income was spot on with my actual 2013 income. My accountant said basically, "Dude, Obama directed the IRS to screw with the tax rates, what can I say?".

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 12, 2014 02:14 PM (o3MSL)

309

297...Do the courts recognize the Feds as the owners?

 

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You mean the Federal courts? ...The ones that make new laws from the bench?

 

What do you think?

 

It's not semantics.

The Feds don't own these lands...they've just been claiming ownership for so long that people just assume that's the case.

 

And the courts are no source of the 'truth' on this.

The original agreements with these Western States still exist...it's just that they haven't contested it.

 

And how could they contest it? ...Thru the courts?

The courts that the Feds control?

 

It's a mess.

Posted by: wheatie at April 12, 2014 02:14 PM (FWbLS)

310 295 Two 7's on the Richter scale. New Guinea and the Solomon's.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 06:01 PM (bitz6)


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about to tip over

Posted by: Rep Hank Johnson at April 12, 2014 02:15 PM (i8c5b)

311 The Feral Courts that have a 95% conviction rate?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 02:17 PM (bitz6)

312 Posted by: wheatie at April 12, 2014 06:14 PM (FWbLS) All your land are belong to us!

Posted by: Hrothgar BLM Administraitor at April 12, 2014 02:17 PM (o3MSL)

313 Why would border patrol be involved in an interior dispute hundreds of miles from the border?

Posted by: Jen at April 12, 2014 02:18 PM (Mt+Yq)

314 Candy corn with boobehs made of duct tape.  Nice.

Posted by: grognard at April 12, 2014 02:18 PM (t5lML)

315 Many Western States had to give up 50% of their territory to get statehood.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 02:18 PM (bitz6)

316 I think you are off on your own tangent here. Nobody is really questioning that the feds own federal lands. I was just confused by your claim. I thought you were claiming a fact I was unaware of. You're not. You're claiming a distinctly fringe position that the feds don't really own federal land. And you personally are not recognizing the rulings of federal and state courts. Ok, then. I agree that the Feds shouldn't own so much land. But they clearly do.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 02:19 PM (ZPrif)

317 >>Why would border patrol be involved in an interior dispute hundreds of miles from the border? Posted by: Jen Because they have guns and helicopters?

Posted by: Aviator at April 12, 2014 02:21 PM (3rrMW)

318 Except they don't. Bundy paid grazing fees to Clark County and not the Feral Government.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 02:23 PM (bitz6)

319

We did our taxes last month...and are waiting on a Refund.

 

Now I hear that the IRS can confiscate your refund and apply it to some old debt that your dead relatives owed.

 

We are all so fuct!

 

They could do this to us...and how could we fight it?

 

The IRS has been telling people for years that you don't have to keep records going back past 7 years!

 

And now...they can go back 30 years to some old debt that your relatives owed?

 

I want to know which Congressmen tacked this onto a Farm Bill in 2011...or was it in 2010?

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 12, 2014 02:23 PM (FWbLS)

320 They protest loudly for free birth control, but not freedom. A generation or two disappear, the country is screwed. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 12, 2014 05:29 PM (IXrOn) Don't go blaming millienials for messes the greatest generation and baby boomers put into place.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at April 12, 2014 02:24 PM (E8IHS)

321 Okay, the Feds also own the highways, is it within their power to ban interstate travel? Grazing is not owning, it's a realitu of the beef business and a way of life that regulation should be protecting, not stamping out with fuck-tarded eco-terrorist language about "preserving the land". Preserving it for who? When? I fucking hate the BLM, always have.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 12, 2014 02:24 PM (ZshNr)

322 $48k for a house of that size is absurd.

Posted by: Phinn, founder of the Scottish Immigration Activist Front at April 12, 2014 02:25 PM (i5GO4)

323 >>I want to know which Congressmen tacked this onto a Farm Bill in 2011...or was it in 2010? Posted by: wheatie The one that is a dickhead. Oh, wait...that didn't narrow it down much.

Posted by: Aviator at April 12, 2014 02:25 PM (3rrMW)

324 Because they have guns and helicopters? Posted by: Aviator at April 12, 2014 06:21 PM (3rrMW) Probably. Especially since they are not allowed to use them at the border, might upset some illegal. Only allowed to toss beanbags after they run away from illegals throwing rocks. By the way, I see AlJazeera has produced a documentary on the border, ripping off the name "Borderland" from CNN"s current Rahm Emmanuel tribute, "Chicagoland'.

Posted by: Jen at April 12, 2014 02:25 PM (Mt+Yq)

325 The Feds spent a million dollars to round up a few cattle.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 02:26 PM (bitz6)

326 I want to know which Congressmen tacked this onto a Farm Bill in 2011...or was it in 2010? Posted by: wheatie Now THAT would be an interesting question!

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 12, 2014 02:27 PM (cr+/b)

327 313 Why would border patrol be involved in an interior dispute hundreds of miles from the border?

Posted by: Jen at April 12, 2014 06:18 PM (Mt+Yq)


Because they were told to protect the desert tortoise from domestic terrorist cowboy, Bundy, wanting his 300 head of cattle back. In reality, the "desert tortoise" is Harry Reid and son and a billion dollar solar company from China wanting this land. Pity they did not scrub the information soon enough before screen shots and now plastered on Drudge. In a normal world, this, plus his use of his granddaughter's jewelry company to profit from gifts for his staff, would result in him being thrown out of office. Now? He will pout and rebuff any reporter who dares to question him and his "ethics."


The people on the overpass, watching the 80+ vehicles pass, most Land Mgmt, said some were border patrol. I was not there, but was watching it live and listening to those talk on overpass. I did see the large convoy, which stopped traffic both ways on an Interstate Hwy between Nevada and Utah, so they could effectively "get out of Dodge."


These armed government officials were facing American cowboys on horseback, who faced death today, as they were reportedly told there were "warrants" to shoot to kill if they did not go away (and they stood their ground). 


There are still Americans who fight to the death for freedom. They were in the Nevada desert today. I stood with them in spirit.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at April 12, 2014 02:27 PM (baL2B)

328 Just remember Amnesty doesn't just mean instant citizenship and [continued] access to the full welfare buffet, it means amnesty on all back taxes owed. But yeah, Tsunami November. My ass..

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 12, 2014 02:27 PM (o2Pn7)

329 How can you be responsible for the debts of relatives?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 02:27 PM (bitz6)

330 326 I want to know which Congressmen tacked this onto a Farm Bill in 2011...or was it in 2010?
Posted by: wheatie


Now THAT would be an interesting question!

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 12, 2014 06:27 PM (cr+/b)


It was in 2008 and introduced by a Democrat. Many GOP voted as well...but who reads those pesky bills?

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at April 12, 2014 02:28 PM (baL2B)

331 Okay, the Feds also own the highways, is it within their power to ban interstate travel? If a state is in insurrection, or cannot control an insurrection within its borders, then yes. It would fall under the laws of war. Not sure about quarantine for plague though.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 12, 2014 02:28 PM (30eLQ)

332 How can you be responsible for the debts of relatives? You know our words.

Posted by: Tywin Lannister at April 12, 2014 02:29 PM (30eLQ)

333 I go to watch masters come back FOUR hours later and we're still repairing shit? See you all tonight.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 12, 2014 02:29 PM (0FSuD)

334 Don't you love it? 20-30 million people here who enjoy a lifestyle of a sort of diplomatic immunity from all laws and regulations are somehow living in the shadows.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 12, 2014 02:30 PM (o2Pn7)

335 "321 Okay, the Feds also own the highways, is it within their power to ban interstate travel? Grazing is not owning, it's a realitu of the beef business and a way of life that regulation should be protecting, not stamping out with fuck-tarded eco-terrorist language about "preserving the land". Preserving it for who? When? I fucking hate the BLM, always have. Posted by: Lincolntf at April 12, 2014 06:24 PM (ZshNr)" "What the Soviet Constitution gives us, no other State has been able to give in two hundred years." -- Lenin Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 12, 2014 02:30 PM (9W+0f)

336 Now THAT would be an interesting question! Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 12, 2014 06:27 PM (cr+/b) And the answer would be even more interesting? I would venture to guess that the money trail on this is as protected as are Obama's transcripts or Hillary's Whitewater files. Jinx, Why the hell are you posting here when you are down there?

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 12, 2014 02:31 PM (o3MSL)

337 Ok, then. I agree that the Feds shouldn't own so much land. But they clearly do.

The right to own property belongs only to individuals. Government has no rights and therefore cannot own anything. They may be entrusted to manage some resources on our behalf, but it is our right to disregard and negate their claims at any time of our choosing.

Further, no one in government does anything productive, so they have nothing to offer in exchange for property so any such claims are ill-gotten.

Posted by: Methos at April 12, 2014 02:31 PM (hO9ad)

338

316...Ok, then. I agree that the Feds shouldn't own so much land. But they clearly do.

 

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Constanza...I had never really thought about it, until I watched Jonathan Turley argue about it back in the 90's.

 

Turley said that the Feds base their ownership claim on a 'temporary management' agreement from the 1800's.

 

So I did a bit of reading on it at the time...and he is right.

 

Turley is no 'fringe' guy off on a tangent.

He's one of those tradition liberal types, who tells the truth even when people don't want to hear it.

Posted by: wheatie at April 12, 2014 02:31 PM (FWbLS)

339 321 Okay, the Feds also own the highways, is it within their power to ban interstate travel? Posted by: Lincolntf at April 12, 2014 06:24 PM (ZshNr) Well, they shut down the entire air travel industry during 9/11. And remember when entire sections of highway were shut down by the Feds this past October so that people couldn't see Mt.Rushmore, etc. from the roadside? Our new to be HHS secretary ordered that. Vindictive little bitch, isn't she?

Posted by: Jen at April 12, 2014 02:32 PM (Mt+Yq)

340 Yes, Jen, I'm aware of the instances you referenced, is this one of them?

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 12, 2014 02:34 PM (ZshNr)

341 Law has gone from being an ass to being a petulant little bitch.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 02:34 PM (bitz6)

342 Dreamers. /spit

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 12, 2014 02:34 PM (o2Pn7)

343 I have dreams, too, you know! Fucking dreamers. They should be horsewhipped just for saying this stupid shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 12, 2014 02:35 PM (o2Pn7)

344 It was in 2008 and introduced by a Democrat. Many GOP voted as well...but who reads those pesky bills? Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at April 12, 2014 06:28 PM (baL2B) They (Congress) only read far enough into a new bill to be sure that the phrase 'no aspect of this law, or its subsequent regulations or restrictions, shall ever apply to any sitting or former member of Congress' is tucked in there somewhere.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 12, 2014 02:35 PM (o3MSL)

345 I think everybody (and particularly people from NV who aren't on the Democrat bandwagon should call Reid's office Monday and ask why he needs more money and why he supports the Chinese Coms over Americans. May Justice roll down like water and righteousness like an ever flowing stream. Reid needs a the cleansing of the Holy Spirit

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 12, 2014 02:35 PM (XyM/Y)

346 So the Left is pushing to reauthorize the Federal Land Transaction Facilitation Act. That was passed in 2000 (under Clinton) and expired in 2011. That allowed agencies like BLM to sell land and use the revenue to buy private land to add to their holdings. Mostly they sold BLM around Vegas as Vegas grew in population. Senate passed the reauthorization, but it's been stalled in the House. But now the new bill is called the Bipartisan SportsmenÂ’s Act of 2014. I'm confused if it's passed the House yet or not. Part of that bill included a reauthorization of the FLTFA. It's confusing. Probably on purpose.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 02:36 PM (ZPrif)

347 I just passed Darth Sebelius on NBC.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 02:37 PM (bitz6)

348 It's confusing. Probably on purpose. Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 06:36 PM (ZPrif) See 344

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 12, 2014 02:38 PM (o3MSL)

349 344 You have to pass the bill to see what's in it. Everyone knows that.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 02:39 PM (bitz6)

350 BLM routinely buys and sells land. It is fringe to claim the feds don't own federal land. You can argue they shouldn't, but they do. You can say that you personally don't recognize the authority of the federal courts, I guess. Again, I wasn't looking to argue semantics. I was wondering what the current law is. And the federal courts opinion about what the current law is really does matter.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 12, 2014 02:40 PM (ZPrif)

351 How can you be responsible for the debts of relatives? Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 06:27 PM (bitz6) Social Security is justifying this by saying that they overpaid SS benefits to people and they now want the overpayments back. If your mom got SS payments because your dad died and there were underage minors in the house benefiting from those payments(the payments would have been addressed to the minor children in care of the adult), then the overpayment needs to be returned. And since no one has yet figured out how to get money back out of someone's estate that closed thirty years ago, this new law allows the Feds, through the IRS, to remove a refund totaling that overpayment from the oldest decedent of the estate.

Posted by: Jen at April 12, 2014 02:41 PM (Mt+Yq)

352 Which part of the Constitution establishes the Bureau of Land Management?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 02:43 PM (bitz6)

353 Just looked at the text of the 2008 farm bill. Shit. Yeah, they read the shit they pass.

Posted by: RWC at April 12, 2014 02:43 PM (QeH9j)

354 Posted by: Jen at April 12, 2014 06:41 PM (Mt+Yq) This makes me nervous since I *am* in fact receiving Aid to Dependent Children on behalf of my minor children. How would I know if we're being overpayed?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 12, 2014 02:44 PM (GDulk)

355 You can say that you personally don't recognize the authority of the federal courts, I guess.

Yeah it's just me personally.

You are, I suppose unaware of the polls showing the opinion that the feral government is legitimate is less widely held than either people who claim to have seen UFOs, or Elvis.

Posted by: Methos at April 12, 2014 02:45 PM (hO9ad)

356 The time to worry is when the Feds own the Internet...which is their plan, no?

Over 1 million were watching the Infowars feed at the same time, waiting for the poor cattle...trapped in the hot desert sun after being corralled by helicopters...It is speculated the feds backed off due to Harry Reid's corruption of wanting the land to build a Chinese five billion dollar solar plant there with his son (keeping in mind ole Harry the Cross-eyed Opossum was not a millionaire until he became a Senator. hmmm).

Perhaps, as Fenelon said, even us peons who do not live in Nevada should call and question this story.

The feds backed away...for now. I have read they are regrouping. At least the cattle are free for now. But this land grab is not over. Bundy remains the only rancher in a very large county. Land was taken for less than it was worth, for "the desert tortoise."

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at April 12, 2014 02:45 PM (baL2B)

357 The Feds just gave the Internet to Kofi Annan and the Parliament of tin pot dictators.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 02:47 PM (bitz6)

358 And the federal courts opinion about what the current law is really does matter.

And the lesson of today seems to be that what armed Americans are willing to take a stand on matters more than opinions of effete snobs in black dresses.

Posted by: Methos at April 12, 2014 02:47 PM (hO9ad)

359 I think the only way it gets more attention is if people who aren't from Nevada call to say "We're watching you, Harry and we know what you're trying to do."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 12, 2014 02:48 PM (XyM/Y)

360 And since no one has yet figured out how to get money back out of someone's estate that closed thirty years ago, this new law allows the Feds, through the IRS, to remove a refund totaling that overpayment from the oldest decedent of the estate. Posted by: Jen at April 12, 2014 06:41 PM (Mt+Yq) I need to add...I believe the law originally stated that SS could only go back ten years to determine if an overpayment was made. That ten year limit was removed, and SS hired an outside auditing agency who is finding these "overpayments". Who has SS records from their deceased parents of 40 years ago? If you ever have had a loved one die in the past ten years or so, you will find that one of the very first things a funeral director does, as soon as he picks up your relative for care, is to contact SS to let them know the individual has died, as he is REQUIRED by law. You will be impressed at the speed of which SS will let you know that your relatives checks are stopped. 40 years ago, I don't believe this was a requirement of funeral homes, coroners, etc. and so checks would go out until a relative notified SS...Which would explain the overpayments.

Posted by: Jen at April 12, 2014 02:50 PM (Mt+Yq)

361 Hrothgar: I've got a big chicken in the oven and I'm snapping grean beans. I am not a cook, so a little intellectual exercise passes the time. I took a picture of two bald eagles sitting side by side on a daymark this morning. It has been beautiful.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 12, 2014 02:50 PM (cr+/b)

362

350 BLM routinely buys and sells land. It is fringe to claim the feds don't own federal land.

 

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But the Feds themselves cannot give proof as to how they came to 'own' these lands, Costanza.

 

All they can do, is point to the original agreements which gave them only the 'temporary management' of the lands.

 

And then...they point to court cases that they have won.

Because they control the courts.

 

It ultimately goes to States Rights.

And because States have not exercised their rights and contested it...the Feds have 'assumed' ownership.

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 12, 2014 02:52 PM (FWbLS)

363 SPLC lists Bundy as a domestic terrorist.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 02:53 PM (bitz6)

364 SPLC lists Bundy as a domestic terrorist. Posted by: Boss Moss -------------- With the Left, it is full time, non-stop, projection.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 12, 2014 02:54 PM (aDwsi)

365 The Feds just gave the Internet to Kofi Annan and the Parliament of tin pot dictators. Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 06:47 PM (bitz6) Good thing we will never experience selective Internet outages with an experienced global management team in place! Item #1: Require UN-controlled Internet kill switch functionality at each ISP. ...

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 12, 2014 02:55 PM (o3MSL)

366 They are waving and bidding the Federalies adieu with one finger.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 12, 2014 02:59 PM (bitz6)

367 The SPLC itself is particularly a terrorist organization and much more interested in enriching themselves than anything else. If the SPLC hadn't listed that Family Organization (forget the name) as a hate group that rabid left wing nutcase wouldn't have tried to go in there to kill people with Chik-Filla Food. Even some leftists have a problem with it's founder whom they think is greedy fraud.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 12, 2014 03:01 PM (XyM/Y)

368 It has been beautiful. Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 12, 2014 06:50 PM (cr+/b) Yes, looks like you got an incredible weekend in!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 12, 2014 03:02 PM (o3MSL)

369 Meant. of course, the founder of SPLC not the Founder of Chik-Fil-A

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 12, 2014 03:02 PM (XyM/Y)

370 This makes me nervous since I *am* in fact receiving Aid to Dependent Children on behalf of my minor children. How would I know if we're being overpayed? Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 12, 2014 06:44 PM (GDulk) You could request a meeting with a SS representative to make sure your payments being received are being calculated correctly. Keep all documents and request everything in writing. http://www.ssa.gov/pgm/reach.htm

Posted by: Jen at April 12, 2014 03:02 PM (Mt+Yq)

371 Even some leftists have a problem with it's founder whom they think is greedy fraud. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 12, 2014 07:01 PM (XyM/Y) Is there a leftist organization for which this is not true?

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 12, 2014 03:04 PM (o3MSL)

372 I love these threads.  'rons and ettes bloodying knuckles; working the land, getting it done.  I give you a duct tape wd-40 hug.

Posted by: tangonine at April 12, 2014 03:42 PM (x3YFz)

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