1 Oh for christ sake get over the Orca shit, it could have worked perfectly and it would have made no difference.

2 Fore more years of "Barky sucks".

3 Obama Rules Communist America

4 OPERATION SNAFU!

5 The Coast to Coast AM callers thought there was something odd about the Petraeus resignation.  (What can I say,  I sometimes have insomnia.)

Either we are all as nutty as those people,  or stuff is so bad in DC even the UFO people have noticed.

6

@1:

If it had worked it would have made a difference. But the real determinant of victory would have been if just twenty per cent of the TEN MILLION who were so disillusioned, put off, or disappointed with preazy could have taken the trouble to show up and voted on Tuesday.

7 well, we don't know why Romney got less votes than Bush in 2004, or McCain in 2008, did this play a part in that???
What I REALLY want to know though is how much voter fraud there really was. I thought it was a very small issue til I saw all the links to Pundit Press in the sidebar. Surely someone can get to the bottom of 141% turnouts in counties in Florida

8 Wait a sec, Democrats tell us free market competition is bad and we have to bail out losers. So, next election candidates should be forced to use a government provided GOTV software. We can't have one campaign at an advantage over others! That would be unfair.

9 Oama Re-elected C*cksuckers! A-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!1!!! Yep - these guys like McCain's guys should be shunned in the GOP. the question is will they?

10 Happy Birthday to Uncle Sam's Misguided Children!

11 Did ORCA report any votes for Romney in the 100 and 108% precincts?

12 Centralized system vs distributed processing. The first and most
important question.

I wonder what medieval systems the Dems used in Philadelphia to
achieve 99% turnout in some of their wards. Of course I suspect
there might have been a little ballot stuffing, but there also is the
distinct possibility that a couple pages of printouts with names and
phone numbers and a sharpie is a more effective tool then multiple
million dollar software that doesn't work.

13 Let. It. Burn.

14 Put another way, Kallisto, if we hadn't wasted time and money on this piece of shit and had put together a real GOTV effort ...

15 Mitt did suck at campaigning. Like Indiana Jones he chose the wrong friends. If only Mitt spoke Hovitos.

16 Republicans should be self-motivated to vote. We shouldn't have truncheon them like a union thug or bus them in with an English language interpreter. Ah well. America is changing. Doesn't everything get better when you just add more minorities to the equation?

17

Posted by: Andy at November 10, 2012 07:20 AM (OZPoa)

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As I understand it, the Zac Moffatt brain trust rejected the Preibus method that was employed in Wisconsin.

18 "1 Oh for christ sake get over the Orca shit, it could have worked perfectly and it would have made no difference." I dunno, the whole GOTV thing seems important.

19 Who are we to criticize? We can't even get rid of the fake trolls (they only come out at night) here at AoShq.

20 @7 Voter fraud surely played a part. A major part? Yeah, probably in tight areas. Since states control their own voting rules, we need to see some draconian laws with real jail time and fines put into place in states with Republican govs and legislatures before 2014.

21 What I REALLY want to know though is how much voter fraud there really was. I thought it was a very small issue til I saw all the links to Pundit Press in the sidebar. Surely someone can get to the bottom of 141% turnouts in counties in Florida

Posted by: ziggyelman at November 10, 2012 07:17 AM (AsMdZ)

It wouldn't take much fraud to work in the 4 big swing states that were close. Just add together the obvious fraud (130% turnouts; 100% votes for Obama, etc) that Dems always do, and the people in those states who didn't get reached because of this piece of crap not working (and especially because of all the volunteer time wasted on this that could have been spent of old style stuff that works), and you pretty much have a Romney win or damn close to it. But you know Republicans aren't going to challenge on fraud...that requires a spine. Allen West being a notable exception, but he's damn near the only one with spine intact.

22 Surely someone can get to the bottom of 141% turnouts in counties in Florida

Posted by: ziggyelman at November 10, 2012 07:17 AM (AsMdZ)

The 141% sounds like the tax rate for the rich that they really want to put in place, unless you be Jay-Z.

23 "16 Republicans should be self-motivated to vote. We shouldn't have truncheon them like a union thug or bus them in with an English language interpreter. " Or, you take the attitude you get as many people to the polls as you can. Specifically of you are spending my goddamn campaign donation. I expect you to do everything you can to increase your votes.

24 Fuck, drop the ORCA shit. The people crying fraud need to wake up too. We got facerolled by the weakest candidate possible. Retroactively plugging leaks on the GOP Failboat is not going to make a difference.

25 Good Morning Morons.  Today is Saturday, November 10, 2012.  On this day in 1969 Sesamy Street premiered with a big yellow stupid bird caricature that somehow helped to reelect a communist Muzzie to President in 2012. .

26 For all the complaining, Mitt only lost by 2 million votes. I honestly think any candidate other than The One won't win it for Democrats next time.

27 The JEF Admin looking into whether or not there was a “leak” about Benghazi to the NYT.  Why?  Even if there were they would not print it.  They only print classified info if it hurts a Republican and the country.  But this has to be the opening salvo in silencing people that think the JEF is a criminal.

http://is.gd/DvutiN

28 Coal company lays off 160 people.  Look for more of this, and not just in coal company.

http://is.gd/zJNUx9

Another one in Utah lays off 102.

http://is.gd/ExdzVs

29 Allen West being a notable exception, but he's damn near the only one with spine intact.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 10, 2012 07:24 AM (qEkGZ)

If only West had submitted to the RINO spine removal surgery, he would have had solid support from the RNC.

30 Michael Barone is showing his ass again.  He loves him some fuckin moderates and when they lose of course he blames the ubiquitous Tea Party.  I view him in the same vein as the stupid Fox Dem consultant Dick Morris.  Both are always wrong about politicians and elections.  They are not as good as a blind squirrel.

http://is.gd/nReJ18

31 i]Obama Romney Clusterfucked Analysis

32 Racist JEF to replace racist corrupt AG with another Democrat racist black?  Why not, just the sign of things to come.  Nothing holding him back now.

http://is.gd/1eyTEi

33 Hey all. 

This morning I have the feeling that I just watched the Democrats take their ideology across the Kuwaiti border into Iraq - metaphorically speaking.

The Dims are all inon on corporate taxes on sales, not profit.  They are all in on "revenue projections" that will never happen.

They are all in on a 2 trillion dollar deficit before 2016.

We have a front row seat.

Note: I would have said balls deep, but the good general has that trademarked for his second book.

34 Obama Admin Has Posted 6,125 Regulations And Notifications Over Last 90 Days.  Look for that to explode.  1930s Italy is being vastly overshadowed.


http://is.gd/iaS5P1

35 Colleen M. Kelley union president is demanding that federal workers to get pay a raise.  Incredible gall from this fat ugly shit demanding that the highest paid non-workers in the country get a raise just because their votes in DC helped carry VA for their shit leader for life.


http://is.gd/33r4vY

36 What I REALLY want to know though is how much voter fraud there really was. I thought it was a very small issue til I saw all the links to Pundit Press in the sidebar. Surely someone can get to the bottom of 141% turnouts in counties in Florida
Posted by: ziggyelman at November 10, 2012 07:17 AM

I doubt we'll ever know. It's so much easier to blame this ORCA thing and blast the now-former candidate than venture into territory that requires investigation instead of Instant Anal-ysis. Blaming some screwed-up computer program is like blaming Microsoft when your laptop goes Tang Uniform: it's easy, requires no thought, and everyone can identify with the idea.

Besides, it's racist to accuse our enshrined Dear Leader of breaking the law. He would never, ever, ever do anything unethical, would he? And he gets the Automatic Affirmative Action Free Pass.

There will be occasional reports of massive fraud surfacing, but the squishy eunuchs among the "conservative" establishment and media will shut them down double-quick as they did the birth certificate issue. It just won't be "hip" to actually question Choom Boy's wonderfulness.

37 Stand by for that “more flexibility” for the traitor to give up the US to Russia and Israel to the Muzzie terrorist.  IOW get ready for a major war.


http://is.gd/yv3qvg

38 Contrary to Crying Boner, 80% of Republicans want the House to fight the JEF tooth and nail.  I wouldnÂ’t count on it.

http://is.gd/w0RVad

39 Andrew McCarthy looks at the voters who stayed at home.  Yes, this is what I have been saying.  I do hope Rasmussen does a significant survey, at least in the swing States, to examine the Republicans who usually vote but did not vote this time.  

http://is.gd/m2qrgb

40 Negative works... and unlike the dem, the republican doesn't have to lie about his opponent

2nd place is first loser...

41 Kindle Daily Deal:


Fast Food Nation

An international best-seller, Fast Food Nation reveals how the fast food industry has altered America's landscape, widened the gap between rich and poor, fueled an obesity epidemic, and transformed world-wide food production. The book inspires readers to critically look at our global food system and its impact on society.  


(That description makes me want to puke – Vic)

42 And that's the news for Saturday morning.  This will probably be a short day for me.  Supposed to be clear and in the 70s.

43 Yep - these guys like McCain's guys should be shunned in the GOP. the question is will they? Posted by: naturalfake at November 10, 2012 07:18 AM (G9qZk) I'm sure they're already cozying up to Rubio's people. "It will be different next time, trust us."

44 W.H. you might want to actually read up on the latest stories before saying we need to wake up on the subject of voter fraud. I know it's hard to believe Chicago Democrats would make a concerted effort to commit voter fraud, but it might just be possible.

45

Beginning Wednesday morning, all the second guessing and finger pointing began: the so-cons didn't show up...Palinites were butt hurt...Gary Johnson made the difference in Florida. Maybe some or all of that is true. But I can't get my mind off the ten million voters who abandoned Obama, but couldn't get it together to vote for his opponent. From stories I'm hearing, it's this crowd that is most shocked over the election results. It's like they thought every state in the union boasted a strong GOP voter advantage.

 

I know one guy who hates obama, I was certain he had voted against him on Tuesday. He called me - stunned after the election. When I said, "well at least you know you voted the right way", he replied, "No, I let my registration expire because I didn't want to get called for jury duty."

46 You could be 1000% correct on ORCA, but it's only significance is who shouldn't be hired again.

This is like saying that you didn't get laid because your deodorant failed miserably.

Might have been a factor, and sure, feel good about changing your pit stop and getting back out there.

.......but there may be a bit more to it, you know, like other factors WORKING AGAINST YOU.

47 Good Lord!  From Andy's Red State link

They say that the truth is the consultants essentially used the Romney campaign as a money making scheme, forcing employees to spin false data as truth in order to paint a rosy picture of a successful campaign as a form of job security.

Zac Moffatt, Digital Director for the Romney campaign, was specifically named as having “built a nest egg for himself and co-founder of Targeted Victory, Mike Beach,” and that they “didn’t get social” media and ignored objections from other consultants and staffers in the campaign.

That not only is major cause of action if true, it could also be criminal fraud.

48 RE: the financial cliff.

Do we really want to fight this and be part of the blame for the shitty economy in two years, or would it be better to say...elections have meaning and we will give the president what he wants with the requirement that the JEF put it in writing in the form of a budget?  We can reasonably assume a second recession is coming and why not put it 100% in his lap?

49 >> I'm sure they're already cozying up to Rubio's people. "It will be different next time, trust us."

Worse. Moffatt's old firm (that he co-founded), Targeted Victory, already does work for Rubio.

Like I said, lots of things going on here. Including trying to get Marco to dump them.

50

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2012 07:27 AM (YdQQY)

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The silver lining in that cloud is how Il Duce met his demise.

 

51 Looking forward to throwing higher food and gas prices in the faces of Obama voters. BTW, I will NEVER donate another dime to any charity. You voted for Big Daddy Government, let him take care of you.

52 Day 4 - 1,456 to go.

53 Over at Hot Air read the article on the 'missing voters' and especially
the update. In fact, as many as 10 million votes may not have been
counted yet.

54 Make sure you all keep donation to the RNC, because John BOner appreciates it and sleeps like a baby when you lose.

55 Stand by for that “more flexibility” for the traitor to give up the US to Russia and Israel to the Muzzie terrorist. IOW get ready for a major war.


http://is.gd/yv3qvg

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2012 07:27 AM (YdQQY)

Hey Vic...just "a" major war? I can think of at least two that are coming right up - the Muslims having another go at Israel, and the Chinese and Japan going at it over offshore oil reserves at the very least. And, if you count what's going on in Syria, since Turkey will likely get involved (with Obama's encouragement), and the Koreas will likely go at it if China and Japan actually start shooting at each other...well, that's 4...and the War that No One Admits Exists Anymore (the general war of Islam against the rest of the world) continues apace, that's 5...well, you get the idea. Interesting times as the Chinese would say.

56 Romney campaigned nonstop for six years and never got any better at it. Maybe got worse at it when turnout is considered. I don't think we have to look much farther than the candidate and who he hired to figure out why the base stayed home and cleaned the garage.

57 "24 Fuck, drop the ORCA shit. The people crying fraud need to wake up too. We got facerolled by the weakest candidate possible. Retroactively plugging leaks on the GOP Failboat is not going to make a difference." Battles aren't lost because of broad historical forces. They are lost because of logistics failures and bad decisions on the battlefield. Taking the attitude that we must not address these problems serves no purpose. We need a strong get out the vote operation. It's more important than ads, debates, or anything else. Just ask Elizabeth Warren, the worst candidate ever to win office. Think she won because anybody likes her? She is purely there because of the machine.

58 >> I know one guy who hates obama, I was certain he had voted against him on Tuesday. He called me - stunned after the election. When I said, "well at least you know you voted the right way", he replied, "No, I let my registration expire because I didn't want to get called for jury duty."

Did you hear me scream when I read this? He was probably in a swing state too, right?

59

I'm very intrigued with Rush's idea of givng amnesty to the illegals, as long as they can't vote for 25 years.

 

I would add this idea:  They must have a sponsor that guarantees they don't go on the dole for the first 10 years.

 

My husband came to this country legally on a K-1 visa, but I had to sign paperwork that made me responsible for his support for 10 years if he couldn't support himself. 

 

He can't get food stamps, welfare payments, etc until 10 years are up. 

 

I had to provide prove to the government that I could support him.  Bank statements, W-2s, tax returns. 

 

So I say call their bluff. 

 

 

60 he replied, "No, I let my registration expire because I didn't want to get called for jury duty."

Posted by: kallisto at November 10, 2012 07:31 AM (jm/9g)

J.C.; doesn't the dumb shit know that most States no longer rely on voter registration for Jury Pools?

61 Specifically of you are spending my goddamn campaign donation. I expect you to do everything you can to increase your votes.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 10, 2012 07:25 AM (uhAkr)

I wish there was some way to sue to get my contributions back. Hell, people sue for everything else, and it sure looks like this campaign was a fraud from beginning to end.

62 @45 I know one guy who hates obama, I was certain he had voted against him on Tuesday. He called me - stunned after the election. When I said, "well at least you know you voted the right way", he replied, "No, I let my registration expire because I didn't want to get called for jury duty." Posted by: kallisto at November 10, 2012 07:31 AM (jm/9g) THIS^^^^^ This is why ORCA was important. Here's a natural Rep voter and he stayed home. ORCA was aimed or certainly should've been aimed at getting guys like this to the polls.

63 Thanks for the link Vic... the McCarthy piece is great...

64

Posted by: Andy at November 10, 2012 07:36 AM (OZPoa)

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PA

 

I've seen similar stories posted on this blog.

 

There is just so much about this particular election that is tragic, ironic, and instructive. Locally, a neighboring community, a blue collar burg is run by Republicans. They sent out door hangers and mailers to every house with the tagline: BAD PEOPLE GET ELECTED WHEN GOOD PEOPLE DON'T VOTE.

65
We got facerolled by the weakest candidate possible.
Posted by: W.H. Doubter




There were significant issues with Romney as a candidate and as a campaigner, but if you baseline him against Mccain, at least he didn't actually stop campaigning near the finish, or limit himself by taking public financing.

So, why the pullback from Mccain voting levels. Was Palin really that big a factor for turnout or was it something else?

66 If it is true that we didn't use Priebus method,  I want to know exactly how this program was sold to Romney,  who designed it,  who tested it,  if testing showed it working and it was sabotaged,  or if this was a true screw-up.

Why do I want to know this?  It seems odd to me that Romney,  normally very precise with his planning,  would buy into an untested program.  If it is so,  it goes against everything I knew (or thought I did) about this.

Also,  who did his internal polling? There is no doubt in my mind he thought he was winning. Was the polling off due to bad methodology,  or did fraud plus some combination of stay-at-homes (wouldn't have to be all of one group) cause the loss?

We cannot correct if we don't know what happened.

I gave more to this campaign than I should have,  in the hopes my money was being used wisely. I probably won't ever do this again,  as it seems it was a waste of time. 

67 That not only is major cause of action if true, it could also be criminal fraud.
Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2012 07:32 AM

I don't think it's "news" when someone decides to get rich off of political-operative type work, Vic. Washington is full of people who sell out -- can you say Dick Morris? Karl Rove? Teh Noot? -- for cash.

If someone actually manipulated ORCA to fatten their own wallet, that seems terminally dumb. Make it through a campaign or two, develop a high profile and, win or lose, you too can become an "expert" and never have to work again.

I'd say there are more people looking to get "political expert" gigs than one-shot, in-and-out grifters. Look at Chuck Todd: wasn't long ago that he was pulling his pud in mommy's basement and writing truly mindless shit on the Interwebz, and now he's making big bucks and a "political director." Our trolls are jealous!

68 BAD PEOPLE GET ELECTED WHEN GOOD PEOPLE DON'T VOTE.

say it again

BAD PEOPLE GET ELECTED WHEN GOOD PEOPLE DON'T VOTE.

69 I put together a moron/ette poll -- what should we do now?
 
I need at least one person to go there and vote so I didn't totally waste 30 minutes on it.
 
http://poll.pollcode.com/9kph4q
 
They are pretty easy to set up actually.

70 kallisto, I hope you reamed that gut that didn't vote (or register to) for fear of jury duty. He's a pussy in so very many ways.
Just like we need to disassociate from those on the left(that we can, business-wise) we need to do the same with folks who don't care enough to vote.
Wonder if we will hear a few million didn't vote for Romney because he's a Mormon?

71 County by county results map.

http://image.patriotpost.us/2012-11-08-alexander-3.jpg

SC doesn't look as half as "soooooo Republican" as advertised. Looks about half as blue (the correct color of liberty) as Ohio.  Heh.

(Also, upstate NY?  You're dead to me like Terre Haute and Iowa.)

72 ORCA was aimed or certainly should've been aimed at getting guys like this to the polls.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 10, 2012 07:37 AM (G9qZk)

ORCA would have made no difference for this guy.  He was no longer registered to vote and most States have a cutoff date for registration.

To all, ORCA may have cost a few thousand votes in some States but I don't think it would have made a difference.  I know I have been beating this drum now for years and some people are tired of hearing it.

But the secret is having a candidate who inspires the base to crawl over broken glass to vote.  We though we had that in the JEF.  He would inspire our candidate to vote.  It has become obvious that we were mistaken.  It appears that your own candidate must do the inspiring.

And after back to back failures by lackluster moderate candidates it looks obvious to me why we lost.

I want that poll of stay-at-homes.  Maybe Rass will do it. Or somebody else other than the RNC who I would not trust.

73

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2012 07:36 AM (YdQQY)

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I think PA still draws from voter reg rolls, I'll have to check.

74 GnuBreed, email the html for that poll to andy dot moron at yahoo dot com and I'll put it in the post.

75 Obama has a troika of positives going for him which would preclude anything serious happening in regards to voting irregularities, Petraeuse's resignation, etc.

1)He's black
2) He's Democrat
3) Most importantly a supine and incurious press

Throw in a cowardly and incompetent "opposition party and you have a big nothing burger.


The head of the CIA just resigned two days after an election, he was being investigated by the FBI and was scheduled to testify before a Senate committe on Benghazi, now for some reason he does not.


If this were a Republican, this affair would have been named, there would have been up to the minute updates on all the news channels with special bump in and bump out music and graphics.

Reporters would be shoving microphones in front of every administration official.

IT WOULD BE A FUCKING CIRCUS!!!


THE HEAD OF THE CIA HAS JUST RESIGNED IN DISGRACE TWO DAYS AFTER AN ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT

This is something that if it happened, say, a week before the election could have really changed the outcome.

And notice how nothing was leaked about an FBI investigation swirling around the head of the CIA. Which more than likely has been going on for months.

I'll tell you that Obama is one lucky son of gun.

76 Was part of it in central Florida, even stayed till the last half hour (was getting eaten alive by mosquitos, and sorry, was not about to risk dengue, tyvm.) I wondered why I even bothered. But if there is a silver lining.....at least my sweetie's bosses know that his woman was out trying to help the right side to win. With all of the layoffs targeting Obama supporters (and rightly so!), maybe that will help him hold on to his job a bit longer.

77 Yeah, it's important to figure out what happened here. In a way I feel for the people who screwed up so bad. I'm sure they tried to do their best, which, as they say, is the problem. If the Romney campaign, and the GOP writ large, hadn't been so delusional in face of the real-world evidence, it's more likely these problems would have been caught, and a fall back to a more primitive but reliable approach could have been substituted. I really think that overoptimism thing was a big deal too.

78 "Wonder if we will hear a few million didn't vote for Romney because he's a Mormon? " Again with this dumb, moronic, ancient, always false accusation that SoCons are bigots.

79 Just ask Elizabeth Warren, the worst candidate ever to win office. Think she won because anybody likes her? She is purely there because of the machine. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 10, 2012 07:36 AM

I'll disagree with you a bit when it comes to Lieawatha Warren.

In my bright-blue MA town, the starry-eyed big-L Liberals loooooved them some Lizzie. Every time they saw her on teevee, they just knew she cares about them, hates the rich, and will work tirelessly for Teh Peeple. A lot of regular folks (at least regular MA folks, which are not the same as normal humans) felt the same.

Growing up in California made me suspect that liberals actually believe the shit they spew. Living in MA confirms it.

80 Posted by: GnuBreed at November 10, 2012 07:42 AM (ccXZP)

looks like two have voted already...

81 My theory on why 10 million stayed home: I didn't like Romney from the beginning and grew to fucking hate him in the primaries. I thought he was smarmy, arrogant and fake. But being obsessed with politics and the election, I watched everything he did, said and was said about him. The convention was the first time I thought was wasn't smarmy, arrogant or fake. My fondness for him only grew over the campaign but again, I was highly engaged. For those who weren't highly engaged, maybe they never got beyond the initial reaction like I had.

82 Day 4 - 1,456 to go.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 10, 2012 07:33 AM (XkWWK)

1456? or 2456 or 3456 or 4456? I mean, why would you ever want to change presidents when you've already created a Socialist Paradise on Earth?

83 Hey, let's face it, there was rampant voter fraud.  Maybe we will get a sense of how big it was in John Fund's next book.  I think Obama got a bigger lead out of Philadelphia County, PA this year than in 2008.  Does that even seem remotely possible - and I would assume the population is the same or less.  And if it happened in Philly, it happened in Norristown and Bristol and Chester.

84 Anybody who stayed home that actually knew much about Obama I have contempt for their actions. The Libertarians voters I can kind of understand (although it was a poor, poor choice to vote that way) but knowing what Obama has done and allowing that dictator free reign to send our country down the toilet is inexcusable. The vote by the "free stuff people" are contemptable, the decision by women to vote with their vaginas is contemptable. I would like the media to crash and burn. It won't though. They'll still be carrying the water for Obama until the lights all go out on the power grid

85 One way to kill voter fraud is to have a feedback system where you can log into the system and see the tallies and your own vote via your own code number.

In this day and age, you should be able to vote from home, or from your computer.

86 They say that the truth is the consultants essentially used the Romney campaign as a money making scheme, forcing employees to spin false data as truth in order to paint a rosy picture of a successful campaign as a form of job security. --------------------------------- I heard a guest on Levin's show last night who was LIVID about this. He lambasted the corruption and bed feathering that took place in the Romney campaign.

87 "1456? or 2456 or 3456 or 4456? I mean, why would you ever want to change presidents when you've already created a Socialist Paradise on Earth?" Because other Democrats want their turn.

88 Sheesh. First thing Saturday....another Orca thread.

I'm out of here to further poison my liver with whatever I have laying around the house....(Mouth wash, cough syrup, and hand sanitizer).

89 "Wonder if we will hear a few million didn't vote for Romney because he's a Mormon? "

If they viewed him a Mormon, they might have voted, instead they saw him as a Northeastern Rino

90

Posted by: phreshone at November 10, 2012 07:40 AM (MAhUT)

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The creators of this slogan are not Ivy educated, white collar high tech geeks. They didn't even go to college. These are traditional blue collar guys who decided to make a difference in their very little corner in the world. They managed to distill the essence of what it takes to win an election, yet Zac Moffatt and Rich Beeson with all their education and sophisticated bells and whistles gave us a clusterfark. It sounds like they were more interested in fattening their wallets and creating a high profile for themselves than rolling up their sleeves to work for the common good.

91 Day 4 - 1,456 to go.  Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 10, 2012 07:33 AM

This the total for Choom Boy or the number of days we have to put up with the Incredible Super-Brilliance of this "Samwise Gamgee" troll?

92 Posted by: GnuBreed at November 10, 2012 07:42 AM (ccXZP) I voted too. Let it burn!

93 SC doesn't look as half as "soooooo Republican" as advertised. Looks about half as blue (the correct color of liberty) as Ohio. Heh.

(Also, upstate NY? You're dead to me like Terre Haute and Iowa.)

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at November 10, 2012 07:42 AM (hO8IJ)

SC is 40% black which is a guaranteed JEF vote by 96%.  However, the upstate Western part of the State is not only heavily populated, but ultra conservative and they more than offset that belt of black voters that you are seeing running through the Piedmont region.

The net result is usually a wide margin of victory for the Republican.  I have been living here over 30 years.  There have only been two Democrat Governors during that time.  One who was elected way back before when Democrats were still somewhat conservative scoop jackson types and we still had the left over dredges of FDR dems.

The other was one who got elected over promises to implant gamboling.

That one only lasted one term.

94 he replied, "No, I let my registration expire because I didn't want to get called for jury duty."

If he's got a driver's license or a public utility bill in his name, he's gonna get called anyway.  Be sure to gloat.

95 Miss Marple - you are absolutely right on the internal polling.  I heard Pat Toomey on the radio here in PA yesterday.  He said the internals he saw led him to believe that Romney had a better than even chance to win Pennsylvania.

96 In this day and age, you should be able to vote from home, or from your computer.

Yeah, no potential for fraud there.  Good grief.

97 I think PA still draws from voter reg rolls, I'll have to check.

Posted by: kallisto at November 10, 2012 07:43 AM (jm/9g)

I think they all draw from them, but they also draw from other sources like driver's licenses and telephone books.

98 Posted by: Andy at November 10, 2012 07:44 AM (OZPoa)
 
html link sent, Andy.

99 I call bullshit.  It wasn't Orca, it wasn't Mitt, it wasn't minorities, blah blah blah.  Stop fucking navel gazing and realize it was that a majority of Americans are now perfectly happy with an ever expanding government.  This will be so until it collapses. 

100 >>> Hey, let's face it, there was rampant voter fraud. Maybe we will get a sense of how big it was in John Fund's next book. I think Obama got a bigger lead out of Philadelphia County, PA this year than in 2008. Does that even seem remotely possible - and I would assume the population is the same or less. And if it happened in Philly, it happened in Norristown and Bristol and Chester. Posted by: tofer732 at November 10, 2012 07:46 AM Crack followed by Kool-Aid with a little bit of reality-bending 'cid dropped in the punch bowl. That's got to be a real trip.

101 In this day and age, you should be able to vote from home, or from your computer.  Posted by: sTevo at November 10, 2012 07:47 AM

NJ apparently allowed people to do exactly that.

Those Democrat vote totals will go nowhere but up when yoots can switch away from game-playing and texting to fire off a vote for Choom Boy from their XBox.

102 The primaries were a war for the soul of the GOP going into this election and Romneybots played a big part of that win by trashing all of Romney's opponents online. It was a brilliant move. It couldn't help win the general though, because it left angry people behind, seething at the tactics of the Romneybots.

When people are pissed off and their arguments are no longer welcome, she smart ones nod, smile, shut the hell up about it. Then they look for a way to get even.

103 Care to translate that into English Samwise?

104 Crack followed by Kool-Aid with a little bit of reality-bending 'cid dropped in the punch bowl. That's got to be a real trip. Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 10, 2012 07:52 AM (SKX2R) Don't knock it. That's my recipe for getting though the next 4 years.

105 Reading that Ben Howe piece last night is what woke me up about 3 hours earlier than normal this morning... Blood pressure B high

106 I'll be keeping track of the dem's War on Women and their promise to take things away from the needy.. hint, hint.

107 Unfortunately Romney was the only viable option coming out of the primaries.  I liked Newt, but there is just too much baggage there.

108 The other was one who got elected over promises to implant gamboling.
That one only lasted one term.
Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2012 07:50 AM

I try to avoid commenting about typos, mainly because I can rival anyone in production of typing mistakes.

But Good Sweet Jeebus, would I vote for anyone, regardless of party, who endorses gamboling! Hell, I'd vote for 'em TWICE!

109 Talk about your average uninformed voter.

The commercial for one of the medicare supplement insurance companies. Has a lady(actress) who says (iirc) "I'm over 60 and I found out that medicare doesn't cover all of my health care costs"

Has this, granted "actress" been living under a rock? Or is she portraying the honey boo boo watchers of the world? Are there people our there that are that stupid?

Oh, right I forgot about Tuesday. I guess I answered my own question.

110 Doesn't everything get better when you just add more minorities to the equation? Posted by: Pyro Pete at November 10, 2012 07:21 AM (6RDA5) It certainly lowers property values. That in turn lowers property taxes so there is that.

111 @72 Vic, I agree with you on the need for a better candidate. Heck, even the majority of Republicans didn't really want him that much. He was better than JEF. You're also right about non-registered voters. My (poorly expressed) point was that here was a natural voter who stayed home. How many more registered did the same?

112 59 I'm very intrigued with Rush's idea of givng amnesty to the illegals, as long as they can't vote for 25 years. I would add this idea: They must have a sponsor that guarantees they don't go on the dole for the first 10 years. The Marxists would scream bloody murder. Thus, I love it.

113 Right on cue, the libs think businesses are getting revenge for tfg's re-election and obamacare by firing and hiring freezes. 1) stupidity knows no bounds with libs 2) hey, how about you start a business in this climate see Twitchy.com for headline story of layoffs and Applebee being targeted.

114 tofer732... agreed... once Perry's medications took him out, Romney was the only real choice...  unfortunately the candidate of the last 2 months wasn't the Romney of April-August

Nice doesn't work, but unfortunately, Mitt's consultants didn't want to p.o. their buddies in DC

115 I was on Project ORCA here in Jacksonville, Florida. It worked for me, but not without putting in some legwork that the Romney camp and the local GOP shouldn't have expected volunteers to do. I've already posted about my experience here several times, so I won't repeat myself, but I do have some additional thoughts to share. The biggest reason ORCA failed, besides not doing enough large scale testing of the software and server capacity, was that there was no coordination between Romney's camp in Boston and the local GOP. There were two sides to this project: using the 'app' and watching the polls. Boston focused on the 'app' training and rollout (which didn't occur on the latter until election day morning) while the local GOP handled poll watcher training and getting volunteers their credentials. Never did the two sides meet. So while the techies who volunteered for this project (like John E and myself) probably got emails and phone calls from Boston, they didn't get any information from the local 'Victory' offices about getting credentials or attending poll watcher training classes that were held in the area. The only reason I knew about the class was because I pestered the people at the offices about training. These were the same people who threw their hands up and claimed ignorance at any mention of ORCA. I can't speak for the non-techies who have Jitterbug phones. My hope is that they got physical striker lists from the offices and weren't expected to download and print the lists themselves. Not everyone at the meeting that I attended was involved in project ORCA, and ORCA seemed like an afterthought or foreign concept to the person holding the meeting. My point is that Boston should've coordinated training both sides of the project with the local GOP and not relied on emails and phone calls to get everyone prepared for election day, nor should they have expected volunteers to connect the dots and pick up the slack themselves. Not everything can be communicated digitally. A massive undertaking like this also required some hand-holding to engage, build confidence, and make sure that everyone had what they needed and were on the same page. Also, the local GOP should've been more proactive in finding out about ORCA knowing that some of their volunteers would be using it. Fin.

116 trying to catch up on the Petraeus mess. So Jake Tapper tweeted that Obama only found out about the FBI investigation on Wednesday?  Wasn't the investigation going on for months?  And wouldn't an investigation involving the head of the CIA be important enough for the President to be informed?   I know he was busy campaigning and all, but this defies logic.

117 (Also, upstate NY? You're dead to me like Terre Haute and Iowa.)

And take a look at south Texas.

118 @113 Necessity is the true reason, but it does make a nice revenge, doesn't it? Let. It. Burn.

119 "Then they look for a way to get even.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 10, 2012 07:53 AM (6H6FZ) "

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So they didn't vote...for revenge?

120 How many more registered did the same?

Posted by: naturalfake at November 10, 2012 07:57 AM (G9qZk)


The available evidence points to a lot and the pundits are finally starting to see that.  That is all except the ones who continually push the "electable moderate" Republican candidates.


IO warned way back in the beginning here that I thought Romney was unelectable because he was a NE liberal and the South would not vote for him.


I was wrong on that score in one manner.  The South turned out to vote.  It was other regions who didn't.

121 107 Unfortunately Romney was the only viable option coming out of the primaries. I liked Newt, but there is just too much baggage there. Posted by: tofer732 at November 10, 2012 07:55 AM (m5Iwq) Yes.

122 I know he was busy campaigning and all, but this defies logic.

Maybe SCOAMT should have attended his intel briefings.

123 "ORCA would have made no difference for this guy" On the contrary. Disgruntled voters from the other party who let their registration expire are already halfway there. They should be targeted (but NOT annoyed) well in advance. If they switch sides, great, but even if your message is just powerful enough to keep them disgruntled with their old side it's still a net win.

124 Woohoo -- 9 votes so far. It's neck and neck baby, between let it burn and shut it down.
 
I threw the link into my sig.

125 Hate to say it but the Andy McCarthy article is shit. Typical of NR he drags the loss into the theoretical, ideological area and says absolutely nothing that hasn't been true since at least Bush I. This was lost because strategy, tactics and execution failed. Wrong choices and poor execution lost this one. McCarthy is pointing to a constant that has been present for all of most voters' lives. We didn't lose this one over ideology, we lost it over messaging, failure to reach out to the base and failure to GOTV.

126 IT'S NOT ORCA, IT'S THE MESSAGE!  You can't talk limited government and economic freedom while promising the religious right and the evangelicals that you'll use government to impose restrictions on people's behavior.  As long as the GOP gets mired in trying to explain this contradiction, you guys will always fail in exposing the Democratic party for what they are, a bunch of Marxists.  This party is going to die a very slow death and, in the meantime, you'll end up with a bunch of Marxist policies and Marxist supreme court justices.  Oh yeah, I forgot to add an economy perpetually mired in recession.

127 >>> Anybody who stayed home that actually knew much about Obama I have contempt for their actions. And I have contempt for your inability to understand a basic fact about biology and how it translates to human behavior and elections. Things happen on a continuum (often appearing as a Bell-shaped curve). People like yourself, and you may be a great person this misunderstanding aside, are highly motivated and able and will do your thing. But other people vary in their motivation level for any number of reasons, or even their ability level such as old people or disabled people who might find getting to the polls more of a challenge. For these two reasons at least campaigns have been using get out the vote tactics for a long time. The Democrats really turned it into a science this year by using behavioral models to really micro-target voters both with appeals to support Obama, and then going a step beyond, last minute pitches to their individual hot buttons to emotionally drive them to want to get out and vote. On the other hand, the Romney campaign couldn't even be bothered to give its volunteers 60-page lists of people to check off as they voted until 10 pm EST the night before. NOR COULD THEY be bothered to tell their poll watchers they had to get permission to be poll watchers. Instead, they told them twice they could bring a chair, maybe. Which, when you think about it, is not quite as important as being there in the first place. That, and they screwed up simple basic things about their wireless-phone website so that it didn't work for a lot of people for 90 minutes, and a lot of people couldn't even get to the right website address because they didn't do some basic address forwarding that any nimrod who runs a $9.95 a month website on a hosted server sets up in one minute in the control panel. So not only was the Democrat operation far more sophisticated by design, you know what the basic methadology of the ORCA plan was, right? See who voted -- and if someone didn't make it to the poll, call them at home and ask them to come out and vote, please. Or if they needed a ride or whatnot because of lessened ability, car trouble, economic problem, old age, and so on (the GOP vote trends older), to arrange one for them. I know this because I've done it in other elections. It's not high tech, and it's not as good as what the Democrats pulled off beautifully with the aid of top-flight social scientists and such, but it's a lot better than nothing. But because of the immense fuckups of the ORCA project, you know what a lot of voters who who were a little less motivated and/or able to get to the polls than you got in the way of urging that day? Nothing.

128 "And wouldn't an investigation involving the head of the CIA be important enough for the President to be informed?" Yes, and suggesting that it wasn't is total bullshit.

129 But Romney saved the Olympics....
How could his ORCA beach itself?
ELEVENTY NINE!

130 (Also, upstate NY? You're dead to me like Terre Haute and Iowa.)

And take a look at south Texas.
Posted by: Retread
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Looks like a good place to redraw the boarder with Canada and Mexico.

131 Right on cue, the libs think businesses are getting revenge for tfg's re-election and obamacare by firing and hiring freezes.


Of course they do.   Most people on the Left have absolutely no idea how businesses work.   The worldview truly is that a business exists to provide a job as a societal benefit.   The concept of profit has been so demonized that pointing out that a business cannot continue to pay people if expenses outstrip income is like trying to explain how to tell north from south to me.  To many on the Left, that should have no bearing at all on whether people are fired.

132 I don't care about ORCA. It's one deck chair on the Titanic that's just a smidge out of place. We should be discussing ways to survive the coming economic collapse.

133 Anyone have a reason to think Larry Johnson at the No Quarter USA blog is full of shit? http://tinyurl.com/598s45 His bio seems strong, and his posts read pretty well. Having just perused the front page I was thinking about stopping in more often. His write up regarding Iran firing on but missing our drone in particular caught my eye. Input is welcome as I don't want to waste time if he is in fact a crackpot. Thanks for any insight you might have.

134 I really do believe there is a war on women... http://tinyurl.com/a5pjqox There's two for each country...

135 This Petraeus shit is awful suspicious.

136 "Stop fucking navel gazing and realize it was that a majority of Americans are now perfectly happy with an ever expanding government. This will be so until it collapses."

I don't know why this is so hard to understand? As a country we keep moving further and further to the left (with the GOP's help) then we sit and wonder why we don't have enough votes to defeat the left. Well we don't, I don't know if we ever will again, I highly doubt it.

137 I set the ORCA posts over/under at three in the ONT. I think I should've taken the over.

138 132 I don't care about ORCA. It's one deck chair on the Titanic that's just a smidge out of place. We should be discussing ways to survive the coming economic collapse. ------------------------------ Finally ! A realist.

139 Saw Beeson on Fox News a couple weeks back. Seemed really overwhelmed by the job, and managed to get flustered, even though he was getting mainly softballs. Didn't inspire confidence.

140 Posted by: lowandslow at November 10, 2012 08:06 AM (GZitp) Well, at least now we get to see what would have happened if carter were re-elected.

141

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 10, 2012 08:03 AM (ccXZP)

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I took the 'sign up for every benefit" option.

 

1) Get part time job, earn less than 20k

 

2)all taxes are refunded

 

3) sign up for govt cheese

 

4) Join underground economy

 

5) Profit!!!!!

142 Posted by: tofer732 at November 10, 2012 07:59 AM (m5Iwq)


Stuff like internal investigations of the head of the CIA would typically be covered in the PDB (which Obama missed on a regular basis) adding to the plausible denial mantle.


Face it--we are well and truly boned.

143 >>> Posted by: Lurker who doesn't copy/paste from Word Ouch. And one hopes the people without smartphones got paper lists printed for them. Which would have been better than the half-assed HTML5 app, it looks like, anyway.

144 140 Posted by: lowandslow at November 10, 2012 08:06 AM (GZitp) Well, at least now we get to see what would have happened if carter were re-elected. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 08:08 AM (3Y7RV) ! Heh.....I posted the same thing, somewhere else, yesterday. :-)

145 Anyone have a reason to think Larry Johnson at the No Quarter USA blog is full of shit? http://tinyurl.com/598s45 His bio seems strong, and his posts read pretty well. Having just perused the front page I was thinking about stopping in more often. His write up regarding Iran firing on but missing our drone in particular caught my eye. Input is welcome as I don't want to waste time if he is in fact a crackpot. Thanks for any insight you might have. Posted by: Moron Horder at November 10, 2012 08:05 AM (bS6uW) I don't think he is a crackpot, but that does not mean what he is writing is accurate. But this whole Benghazi thing stinks to high heaven and getting to the bottom of it will be difficult unless people start talking- Petraeus would be a good start

146 Again with this dumb, moronic, ancient, always false accusation that SoCons are bigots.
Umm, Bevel, hate to break this to you, but I know for a fact it's true. (this is about some folks not voting for Romney, because hes a Mormon) I have a friend that while he was going to vote for Romney, he still feels like Mormonism is a cult.(I remember 20 years ago, the 700 club running ads for a Anti Mormon book) My best friend cuts grass for a living near Savannah. Not one, but two old ladies he cuts grass for, told him they would NOT vote for Romney, purely because he was a Mormon.Its sad, but true.

147 Well, at least now we get to see what would have happened if carter were re-elected. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 08:08 AM (3Y7RV) Worse

148 133. Yes, yes he is. In '08, he hung his hat on the Michelle 'whitey' story and thought that Palin's interviews were brilliant. He also says that Valerie Plame was covert.

149 >>> This Petraeus shit is awful suspicious. Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 10, 2012 08:06 AM Yeah, like why was he so stupid that he was boning this chick and she was getting into his email, apparently, and it took the FBI to put a stop to it.

150 Abolish the INS.

Allow anyone to marry anything.

People should be free to print their own money at will "because" ask helicopter ben and his best bud Barry Choom.

Fuck you America you'll get everything Barry wants and I will not stop him.

151 In 1934, Hitler ran against nobody in an "election", garnered 90% of the vote. Maybe the RNC's baseline model on how to elect a canidate against dictator is from the 1934 election.

152 @107 Unfortunately Romney was the only viable option coming out of the primaries. I liked Newt, but there is just too much baggage there. Posted by: tofer732 at November 10, 2012 07:55 AM (m5Iwq) Sorry, experience (you know, reality) has proven Mitt was not a viable option. Newt might've lost but he would've been more inspiring and don't discount this FUN candidate. People flock to fun campaigns. Secondly, he would've taken it to the JEF in all the debates. Pointed up all the sharp differences in policy- not just said Obama was a good man in over his head. Thirdly, Newt was smart enough- to look for ways to attack from the left- see Bain in the Rep debates. a lot of people including myself, misunderstood what he was doing- but had he won he could've gone after Obama from both the left and right. It's all coulda shoulda woulda maybe fairyland at this point- Romney's whole campaign was about selling himself against an equally "good guy" who at the same time was telling people that Romney was a wife-killin', oil-spilln', money-grubbin' devil. How'd that work out? A hard fought ideological, negative, fact-based campaign would've worked much better for us. Newt more than likely would've brought us that.

153 SoCons are bigots I am not Socially Conservative and that whole rap is bullshit. Half the fucking Refailagain Party believes it.

154 >>> In 1934, Hitler ran against nobody in an "election", garnered 90% of the vote. Without bothering to look to check, I'm pretty sure Hitler never won anything more than a minority government. Pretty sure as in absolutely sure.

155 Yeah, like why was he so stupid that he was boning this chick and she was getting into his email, apparently, and it took the FBI to put a stop to it. Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 10, 2012 08:11 AM (SKX2R So lemmi get this straight. It's wrong- bad bad abd for the CIA Director to have sex outside of marriage but A President of The United States, not so much?

156 As far as who voted for Romney and who didn't, read this little gem from the free beacon site. excerpt: Why did they stay home? The biggest clue can be found in the returns not from 2012 but from 2011. A year ago, Ohio called a referendum to decide whether or not the state legislature’s repeal of public sector collective bargaining would stand. Buckeye voters rejected that repeal decisively, 61 percent to 39 percent. At the time, Henry Olsen of the American Enterprise Institute saw a foreboding trend: “The differences between white-working class independents and the GOP’s conservative base are becoming too substantial to ignore.” The white working class, which had voted for Republicans in droves in 2010, was falling away from Republicans a year later. They did not care so much about the deficit or debt. They opposed Obamacare but supported a safety net. They were less concerned with or supportive of overseas interventions. The idea of economic fairness mattered to them. read the whole thing here, it's worth it: http://freebeacon.com/the-reality-check-election/

157
Meanwhile, in Los Angeles:

Under a resolution unanimously approved by the City Council this week, all future Mondays in the City of Angels have been declared "Meatless Mondays." It's part of an international campaign to cut down on meat consumption for health and environmental reasons.

Councilwoman Jan Perry, who introduced the motion with Councilman Ed Reyes, noted the environmental impacts of meat production, and she emphasized that a high-meat diet has been linked to health problems such as colon, prostate, kidney and breast cancers, as well as heart disease. "Eating less meat can prevent and even reverse some of our nation's most common illnesses," Perry said.

Her motion posted 12-0 in a council session Friday.

The council resolution referred to the link between livestock and environmental problem, and noted that reduced consumption of animal-based foods can "lower our carbon footprint."




Monday is Soylent Green Day. Soylent Green -- The miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.

158 "Well, at least now we get to see what would have happened if carter were re-elected."

And that's a perfect example of how far we've shifted in thirty years. As I've said before, we're just a minority resistance movement now and I wish the GOP leadership would come to grips with this and act like it. There should be no talk of compromise on anything, obstructionism is the only weapon we have right now. But the GOP doesn't care about stopping the liberalization of the country, they care about "winning".

159 So they had all the best guys working on MittBot 3.26 (now with genuine Awe before Deity at scope of winning Presidency) and left the intern to do the GOTV?

160 As I've said before, we're just a minority resistance movement now and I wish the GOP leadership would come to grips with this and act like it. There should be no talk of compromise on anything, obstructionism is the only weapon we have right now. But the GOP doesn't care about stopping the liberalization of the country, they care about "winning". Posted by: lowandslow at November 10, 2012 08:16 AM (GZitp) Yes I am with you. Keep America as America. As best we can

161 133. Yes, yes he is. In '08, he hung his hat on the Michelle 'whitey' story and thought that Palin's interviews were brilliant. He also says that Valerie Plame was covert. Thanks for that. Here's something he wrote back in 2010 about incoming CIA candidate Mike Morrell that seems relevant though: http://tinyurl.com/9wjbe7h Too bad if he's a flake. I appreciate your comment.

162 Petraeus affair starts prior to his CIA Directorship.
Nothing like a compromised executive to do as he's told.
The FBI discovery of the affair was accidental last spring.
The public revelation was days before he's to testify on a subject with such far reaching implications as Weapons Trafficking and using Al Qaeda as a mercenary force to overthrow Libya for the EU and the current coup in Syria.

163 Thanks for that. Here's something he wrote back in 2010 about incoming CIA candidate Mike Morrell that seems relevant though: http://tinyurl.com/9wjbe7h Too bad if he's a flake. I appreciate your comment. Posted by: Moron Horder at November 10, 2012 08:18 AM (bS6uW) Just because he has said some kinda outrageous things and is a bit of a flake do not discount everything he says. View him as if he is a "Debka" file. Sometimes there is something there

164 After BOR made that statement Tuesday night about 50% of the people wanting "free stuff" I agreed with him and posted that here.  But since then I have changed my mind somewhat.


Yes 50% of the people pay no taxes and want them some "free stuff" AND 50% of the voters this time wanted them some free stuff, it doesn't need to work out that way.


There is no doubt that a huge block of Republican voters who normally vote sat at home.  Why they sat at home is the current $64K question.  There is a lot of speculation by the pundits, and their answer depends on what ax they are grinding.


That is why we MUST have an accurate survey of the Republican stay-at-homes.  Screaming about how stupid they are doesn't help us a bit.  We should be screaming about how we are going to change this.


Because it has been going on since Bush left office.

165

Under a resolution unanimously approved by the City Council this week, all future Mondays in the City of Angels have been declared "Meatless Mondays."

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Does this mean the porn industry shuts down on Mondays?

166 I have some interesting information regarding the vote and race in MS. I have in the past mentioned the very high black national vote percentages for TFG -- 96% in 2008 and an early estimate of 93% in this election.
 
MS has the highest percent black population in the country at 38% per the 2010 census. Whites make up 58.7% of the total population.
 
Yet no one even campaigns in MS or buys ads. Why? Because whites also vote as a bloc too. From wiki:
 
In 2004, 14% of Caucasians voted for John Kerry and 10% of African Americans voted for Bush, according to exit polling. [19] In 2008, Barack Obama was able to improve on Kerry's performance by six percent, mainly due to the higher African American turnout. Obama's main support was in the Black Belt, the western delta counties next to the Mississippi River. In contrast, McCain's margins came from the regions bordering the Gulf Coast and the northeast Appalachian area. Voting became even more polarized: nine in ten whites voted Republican, and nearly all blacks voted Democratic in Mississippi, according to exit polls.[19] As expected, McCain carried the Magnolia State by a comfortable 13.18-point margin over Obama. McCain's margin of victory, however, was less than that of George W. Bush's 19.69-point margin of victory over John Kerry in 2004.
 
In 2012, Romney's margin shrank to about 11%, 55-44. I just thought this info was interesting.

167 >>> So lemmi get this straight. It's wrong- bad bad abd for the CIA Director to have sex outside of marriage but A President of The United States, not so much? Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 10, 2012 08:14 AM I'm not sure I made that argument. It's more her apparently getting into his emails that bothers me. If he'd been sleeping with her, and whatever internal security the CIA has close to him knew about it so that they could protect him from leaking info to a reporter-type, I wouldn't really care so much about where he puts his johnson. Anyway, I don't think Petraeus is disputing my point that it was stupid.

168 New GOP leadership. A new party would put us in the wilderness for quite a while. New leadership would be easier.

169 Just voted Govt shut down on the pole. Other choices seem to fit the do nothing category.

Guess I will be writing another letter to my Rep.

170 161 and 163. Maybe he's on meds now, but he was way out there in '08.

171 The voter fraud issue must be investigated properly and documented.  We also must push as hard as we can for positive voter ID laws.  These two things MUST happen if we are to ever hope to win another election. 

172 "Newt more than likely would've brought us that."

Or it is just as likely he would have made this election about moon bases or some International Synchronicity of Machines movement. That's the problem with Newt, he can't stay focused. His position and priorities on issues varies depending on the latest book he read.

173 @157 Oh crap, I'm starting to rethink this "Let. It. Burn." thing. I need my meat, damnit.

174 Massive computer screwups?

Nothing new.

Only your life may hinge on the next screwup at your local handy dandy hospital IT department.

http://tinyurl.com/hit-misadventure - pushed by the Dems via the HITECH Act that somehow was sneaked into the ARRA Act, to the tune of $$hundreds of billions.

175 I don't think this was Mitt's fault--in general.  In general, I think this is indicative of 47% on free stuff.  the other 3% are very liberal people.

there is nothing any party can do to conquer this.

176 >>> Petraeus affair starts prior to his CIA Directorship. Nothing like a compromised executive ... It was irresponsible of Petraeus to accept the Directorship of the CIA without first disclosing his affair.

177 157 Meanwhile, in Los Angeles: Fuck that. I would have the BBQ going at Warp Factor 9, posting Date Stamped YOUTubes and 35 people mooning the cocksuckers and placard saying: This Butts for you." Fuck You, Marxists.

178 Orca Orca Orca!

179 154, Samwise, you are right in the fact of how the Nazis initially gained the chancellory. Remember then afterwards the Reichstag burned, Hitler declared martial law, Bismark died, and Hitler then declared him and his pary supreme. The election I was speaking of was nothing but a sham referendum to gauge the German loyalty and root out the dissidents.

180 >>> Massive computer screwups? These were people screw-ups. The computers worked fine.

181 178 Jan Brady,

Didn't ORCA back Obama just not as vocally?

182 Anyway, I don't think Petraeus is disputing my point that it was stupid. Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 10, 2012 08:22 AM (SKX2R) Of course it was stupid, but I think I took exception to the point that it took the FBI to stop it. ??? I am not sure that is true and as a matter of fact we don't really know much about this at all and should hold off making to many judgements until we do. All we know for sure right now is that the only who definitely broke a law ( regulations) is Paula Broadwell and Maybe Petraeus after the fact.

183 Does this mean the porn industry shuts down on Mondays? Posted by: kallisto at November 10, 2012 08:20 AM (jm/9g) Heh!

184 On the bright side, weasel zippers reports: San Francisco To Offer Residents Free Sex-Change OperationsÂ… yeehaa!

185 "I am not Socially Conservative and that whole rap is bullshit." Nor am I and yes, it is.

186 179 Samson,

Which is coming.  Gonna be REAL interesting on whether or not we financially back the mid terms.

Ogabe's playing chicken.

187 It was irresponsible of Petraeus to accept the Directorship of the CIA without first disclosing his affair. Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 10, 2012 08:24 AM (SKX2R) Yes but if he had done that he would almost surely have been brought up on charges by the Military.

188 >>> The election I was speaking of was nothing but a sham referendum to gauge the German loyalty and root out the dissidents. Ah, thanks for educating me. I didn't realize he staged a sham election in '34. I thought he dispensed with elections altogether.

189 Is there any road to ridding ourselves of Boehner?

190 185 Scaboface,

it is abslute bullshit not a single Christian Conservative i know sat this one out.

It was RiNo I am betting.

191 189 AnnaS,

Yup b/c Superman will fix it.

Don't worry with that attitude I can promise you John Boehner will not be speaker in 2014.

192 Mitt should have hired a game company to get this done. With a bonus addition, updated after the election: a FPS -- libs v cons.

193 The problem with letting it burn is that's basically like giving Hitler the keys to the gas chamber.  Yeah, the Dems will get blamed for it all, but ya know what, welcome to the USSR.  Call me paranoid bur the resurgence of the GOP will be the least of our problems at that point.

Shut it down!  Only way to go.  Yeah, the media will go crazy and say all kinds of nasty stuff about the evil Republicans, ok, so what.  That's a lot of opportunity for them to stand in front of the camera and explain, "hey look, we're broke, that's the bottom line."  How long you think it will take until it blows back on the Dems?  Seriously.  GOP just has to pass a balanced budget.  Obama refuses to sign, that's his problem.  He will get blamed.

It's a matter of right and wrong.  If GOP isn't willing to do right, we've already lost and this is a waste of time even discussing.

194 Every experienced IT professional has seen ORCA-type project failures before. Not the first time it's happened, certainly not the last.

195 GOP conservative leaders like Ryan/Jindal/Rubio/Paul/DeMint/Flake/Haley/Martinez need to spend the next two years on the road, making the case to these brainwashed demographics that Obama got to turnout in high numbers. Go to colleges, La Raza, Telemundo, whatever, but stop allowing the left to define us. Also, reform our ridiculous primary/debate system. Don't let the MSM run our party debates. Also, it will be extremely disappointing if there is no challenge/change to congressional GOP leadership.

196 >>> Of course it was stupid, but I think I took exception to the point that it took the FBI to stop it. ??? I am not sure that is true The reporting I'm seeing is that the biographer's name came up in another FBI investigation (just a case, but maybe she was snooping for emails or some such there too), and from there they traced her to Petraeus.

197

At the end of the day, its about the candidate. Like it or not, people dig Obama. Lots and lots of people. They eat up his silver tongued nonsense like a pack of starving wolves.

He aint gonna be there next time, no matter how hard he may stump for whatever schmuck the D's put up. And they do NOT have a deep bench.

The problem is, neither do the Rs. Next round will come down to whether the GOP can put up someone likeable and who can articulate fiscal sanity in a way that makes sense to people. Class warfare can only get you so far.

198 Yes we need a lot of things from the Republican Party.  In order  (all involve getting rid of the current leadership as a given)


1.  Revise primary rules and order of voting by State.


2. Eliminate the MFM influence by refusing debates hosted by them and getting in their face when they act like assholes during interviews. i.e. Go Newt, that was one thing he did right.


3.  Look at Republicans divorcing themselves from the State in order to close the Primaries.  Either that are change the State laws that force open primaries.  Forget the courts, we will NEVER win there.


4.  Get Red State governors and prominent legislators to start a dialog on an Art V convention.


5. Get a damn good conservative chairman and give him more influence than just fund raising.

199 On the bright side, weasel zippers reports: San Francisco To Offer Residents Free Sex-Change OperationsÂ… I'm moving to SF, maybe they'll pay for my second schvartz. I feel so despondent because I was born without two schvartzes.

200 *guess (not 'case')

201 "elections have meaning and we will give the president what he wants with the requirement that the JEF put it in writing in the form of a budget? We can reasonably assume a second recession is coming and why not put it 100% in his lap?" Nah, that would be smart. Boehner will agree to closed door negotiations, because he's a powerful politician and that's what they do. Then Obama will make sure the talks fail, they will do sequestration and blame Boehner. After a few years, Woodward will appear and explain that actually Obama poisoned the talks.

202 193 Andrew,

Yeah that's how it'll work eh?

The GOp passes ~40 "Jobs bills" and "budgets."

Go to the nearest McDonald's and ask around and see if ANYONE knows that.

The media needs kneecapped.

203 It seems as we all need scapegoats....

Orca had issues but...People still didn't come the vote...

Here it is The Republican/Message is we don't need a Nanny...

But yet we are blaming the Nanny for people not voting...

Orca is not the problem...The problem is there are to many people reliant on the Nanny and that is why they voted for Obama

204 We need to toss the statists and corporatists out of our leadership.

205 That is why we MUST have an accurate survey of the Republican stay-at-homes. Screaming about how stupid they are doesn't help us a bit. We should be screaming about how we are going to change this. Because it has been going on since Bush left office. Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2012 08:20 AM (YdQQY) Absolutely Vic, but I'll tell you straight up off the top, 10% staying at home were Ronulans. Probably more.

206 #156  That comment about losing working class with economic fairness being an issue strikes me as a big deal,  far more than anything else.

Let's face it,  most people are NOT going to start their own business.  Romney kept talking about entrepreneurs.  This went right over the heads of people who are hourly workers and wouldn't even go into business selling Avon.

Until we understand human nature better,  we are going to be steamrolled. Obama played on this envy of the boss (entrepreneur) and the distrust or rich people. 

If I had been in charge,  the message would have been : Repeal Obaacare or your premiums are going to go up even more than they did this year.  Bring manufacturing jobs back, whatever it takes.  Obama is handing out money to his rich cronies via green energy.

Well,  one thing for sure.  We did NOT understand how a big chunk of the country thinks,  probably because we don't have much contact with them.

207 197 The Dems will run the same play they ran in '08 and '12 if Cory Booker unseats the Fat Man in NJ. Book(er) it!

208 It was RiNo I am betting.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 10, 2012 08:28 AM

Don't forget the Butthurt League.

IIRC, at least one regular commenter here sat it out on Tuesday. Since he didn't like Teh Mutt for whatever reason he couldn't get motivated to vote against Choom Boy.

I'd say the largest contingent of nonvoters came from the lazy, unmotivated wankers and the Butthurt League (Romney-haters, Palin worshipers, etc.), with the latter group being much smaller.

209 Record 70.4 Million Enrolled in Medicaid in 2011: 1 Out of Every 5 Americans cnsnews.com If it weren't for our historical leverage as a nation, we would already be Greece.

210 The reporting I'm seeing is that the biographer's name came up in another FBI investigation (just a case, but maybe she was snooping for emails or some such there too), and from there they traced her to Petraeus. Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 10, 2012 08:29 AM (SKX2R) OK I am not gonna jump on you for that. But that is the really just general non specific crap that means nothing and could even be a cover for what really happens. All I am saying is that this story smells to high heaven. Shit to be honest they should call Petreaus back to Active Duty and bust him down in rank and Broadwell is in deep shit also with the Military

211 205 98zjUSMC,

I suspect as much as well...

and that is why after my initial sorrow at the defeat I decided "fuck it let it burn."

hey Paultards you wanted Jugears you got him baby and I will NOT stop him.

212 Paula Broadwell is OK for her age, but has kids and a nice-looking doctor husband who just got caught in the crossfire. On a related note, anyone read this Hmmmm link from Tepid Air: http://tinyurl.com/b3mv7zh NYT alert but make an exception to read the second letter.

213 HoboJerky: "A new party would put us in the wilderness for quite a while. " The Republicans are already in the wilderness, dude. I'm not convinced that anyone they have on the bench can win in 2016. If you've got an actual plan for getting rid of the Boehners, let's hear it. "Or it is just as likely he would have made this election about moon bases" Sure, but if you're going to lose why not have some fun on the way? Newt would have torn strips off Candy Crowley, to name just one example. I'd rather talk about moon bases than abortion, anyway.

214 *Every experienced IT professional has seen ORCA-type project failures before. Sure, I have too, just as an end-user. But they could have had a backup plan, i.e., paper. And it isn't just the IT foibles. Apparently not forwarding the www version of the website to now-www, not forwarding http to https versions (pretty basic, I'm sure you'd agree), and the lack of pre-deployment stress testing which resulted in election downtime. That's bad enough. But they weren't sending packets out until 10 pm eastern, with watchers supposed to be at the polls next morning at 6. That's bad enough. But they didn't even include the fact they had to register as poll watchers on their checklists. Instead, they listed the suggestion to bring a chair two times. That's imbecilic stupidity way beyond technical hiccups in rolling out new IT. And it wasn't for a new brand launch of a grocery item -- it was the Presidential election, criminy.

215 208 MrScribbler,

I'm something of a lapsed Palinista, the 'cuda didn't hamstring the election but Luap Nor sure as hell tried.

I will act accordingly.

216 ^And not JUST Presidential -- that will have hurt downticket too.

217 179 Sven. You are spot on. Alot will happen between now and then. I think it is all academic from here on, this election burst our firewall for evil.

218 206 #156 That comment about losing working class with economic fairness being an issue strikes me as a big deal, far more than anything else. Posted by: Miss Marple at November 10, 2012 08:33 AM (GoIUi) yes, this was the article that stood out to me the most post election it is something I would have never thought of

219 #207: Booker is a New Jersey Democrat (and thus doubly-corrupt) but does seem to at least have some actual talents and accomplishments. A big step up from Choom Boy, anyway.

220 Andy, I sent you (hopefully) the correct html stuff this time.
 
Now I wish I had spent a little more time on the layout.
 
I was just trying to sum up all the various suggestions made here by people over the last several days. I probably missed a few choices too.
 
164 votes! Shut it down is in the lead.

221

Orca is not the problem...The problem is there are to many people reliant on the Nanny and that is why they voted for Obama
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That doesn't explain the women's vote, the Catholic vote, or the limo liberal vote. The results of Nov. 6 indicate an electorate in the throes of decadence and corruption. How did we get to the point where women can't see past their own cooters, or Catholics enthusiastically defy the teachings and responsibilities of their own faith? Are limo liberals such a self-hating group that they wage class warfare on themselves?

 

And now we have the revelations of corruption within the campaign itself re: the ORCA project.

 

People voting themselves free shit is also a sign of decadence, but there's a bigger picture and the entitlement crowd is only one part of it.

222 Orca = A Nanny tool

If people needed a Nanny to GOTV were fucked...

That is not why we lost...

Republicans lost to a group of people that want a Nanny

You have to defeat the Nanny idea in order to win...

223 Palin worshipers were not the reason for at at home.  Again I point to SC.  Turnout was great among Republicans here.  Romney actually won by a slightly greater margin than McCain who was a veteran in a veteran heavy State.


And SC Republicans love them some Palin. 

224 It was RiNo I am betting.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 10, 2012 08:28 AM


This.
Romney would have destroyed the conservative faction of the party.
The GOP insider have been trying to get rid of this idealism because it clashes with their plans for a totalitarian power structure and unfettered abuse of our freedoms and fleecing the nation for everything possible. They view this direction, worldwide, as inevitable and would rather be a part of it than being swept up with the pawns and serfs.

225 >>> OK I am not gonna jump on you for that. But that is the really just general non specific crap that means nothing and could even be a cover for what really happens. Sure, maybe the whole thing's a lie and he didn't have an affair. Maybe it's all some dodge to try to stop him from testifying and let him lawyer up. But if so, then he's obviously complicit. Whatever it is, he should be coming clean.

226 "How did we get to the point where women can't see past their own cooters" I actually blame both parties here. Both of them want to jabber on about abortion. Why? Because it reliably fires up the idiots who compose their respective base voters.

227 >>it is abslute bullshit not a single Christian Conservative i know sat this one out.
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2nd comment from Red State link:

...My wife and I made the decision over a month ago that we were not going to vote in the presidential race. I had come to the conclusion that both Romney and Obama met the Biblical definition of a false teacher and we are instructed to not give such even a greeting....
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This is the ignorance that we are plagued with in the evangelical community.

I don't think this matters though because the inner citiy folks hold different religious views from those in the bible belt. And the inner cities are where Rombley lost. Not because a bunch of BBB's sat out.

228 I'm something of a lapsed Palinista, the 'cuda didn't hamstring the election but Luap Nor sure as hell tried. I will act accordingly.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 10, 2012 08:35 AM

What I said -- and I mean it -- is that some of the backers of TEH CUDA!!11!!, who see more conspiracies against her than Art Bell saw UFOs, stayed home.

I'm quite sure she cast a vote, and would have urged her followers to do likewise.

229 I'm out, day light is burning.

230 Even if the So-Cons are bigots, that is their right.  The problem comes when the GOP attempts to support the so-con's policies which seek to regulate an individual's behavior.  The So-Cons should only ask that their right to believe as they believe should be protected.  If they did only that then the GOP could be a party completely dedicated to limited government and free market economic theory.  But that makes waaaaaaaaaaay too much sense.

231 Day 4 - 1,456 to go.

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Oh, please.  Don't do that to me.  They're all out of cyanide at Target.

232 I was thinking about something. You know how O started to rise in the polls in the week before the election? We all thought that was Sandy, but I think there were a few Marist polls that seemed ridiculous at the time before Sandy, where he suddenly seemed to catch up in places he'd been behind Romney like FL, VA etc...but it had seemed like the pollsters were just in the tank for O and trying to create a narrative. But they turned out to be true. Then Sandy hits and he starts to rise in all the polls. Assumptions were made it was the storm. But I wonder if it's that his GOTV had started to kick in at that time? They say it was very sophisticated...not only called people, but tweeked their specific issues so they'd really want to go vote. So say you're a Latino in FL, and you lean D, but you're lukewarm on O. They call you, remind you how Romney went after Perry on Immigration, and how he promises to veto the DREAM act and O won't. So you go from leaning towards not voting to definitely voting for O. Now if you're polled you pass the likely voter screen, or maybe he early votes on the spot while he's still fired up (and so is automatically a likely voter), and O's numbers rise. It all gets attributed to Sandy, but really it was just O's superb GOTV kicking in. Meanwhile our side says "Orca would have made no difference anyway, people should vote on their own". But what if we had someone to call say a Navy veteran who's lukewarm on Romney, and the person reminds him how O maybe left the two SEALs to die, and now won't talk about and wouldn't call it an act of terror? Now that Veteran is fired up on his issue like the Latino D, and maybe early votes for Romney right on the spot that day also, or at least goes out on election day. And there's a follow up call by our side to make sure he did or does. No I don't agree this made no difference. I can see the scenario I described accounting for the surprisingly high Black, Latino, young people turnout...and the fact that our lukewarm voters weren't called and tweeked resulting in...well, them being lukewarm and not voting.

233 229 Scribbler,

You know I am not a psychotic Palinista, what you're discussing is the butthurt brigades who can't take their pony not being the show pony.

I'll bet there were legitimately a few huntsman butthurts out there.

The average Palinista probably crawled on broken glass like I did.

Did I tell you a nice black gentleman at the polls demanded to see my Ohio Drivers' license because "your military ID ain't good enough"?

Yeah I quit Ohio this week.

234 >>> At the end of the day, its about the candidate. Like it or not, people dig Obama. No, it's really about demographics and events and culture as well as economics and military casualties. The reason the debates don't usually change the campaign much, is because it's about those other things. Romney's massive victory in the first debate was a historical aberration and still didn't win it.

235 219 Yep. Heck, *I* like Cory Booker, though I wouldn't vote for him. I'm so old that I remember when a politician needed more than two years in office on a national level to be considered a serious candidate for the presidency. *Sigh*

236 Missing from the GnuBreed Poll:

Simply ignore the law the way the Dems do. Use the same banzai tactics illegals used to use in SoCal: just ignore Obamacare, fuck it; just ignore regulations, instead of putting millions into Orca and wasted ad buys, put those dollars into massive legal defense funds. Overwhelm the opposition by not being intimidated by them. Turn Holder/Napolitano into impotently squeaking gerbils.

237 . Whatever it is, he should be coming clean. Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 10, 2012 08:38 AM (SKX2R) That's for sure and that there is the rub. Can Congress force a private citizen to testify or to at least appear?

238 62 @45 I know one guy who hates obama, I was certain he had voted against him on Tuesday. He called me - stunned after the election. When I said, "well at least you know you voted the right way", he replied, "No, I let my registration expire because I didn't want to get called for jury duty." Posted by: kallisto at November 10, 2012 07:31 AM (jm/9g) De-lurking for a moment. My non-psycho brother-and-sister-in-law are your classic "independent moderates." Don't really get into politics cause it's mean and dirty, get most of their news from various "comedy" sources, are registered to vote but don't make it often. These folks just bought a house and are trying to start a business and were TERRIFIED of a second term for King Barack. Even these oblivious folks saw the writing on the wall with this douche. But. They had just moved from one county to another andi was after the cut off date here in FL to register or alter your registration. Now, they haven't changed their licenses either so they could have both gone down to one of the early locations and voted OR voted absentee. But they were convinced that people would be nuts to vote the idiot back in and that the polls must be wrong. So they didn't vote. And now they're freaking out because the business they're trying to get off the ground will never be able to afford Obamacare and they will likely be out of their investment money very, very soon. Anecdotal, sure. But I can't help but wonder how many of oblivious "middle" thought this was in the bag and didn't bother to vote. /lurk on.

239 "I'd say the largest contingent of nonvoters came from the lazy, unmotivated wankers and the Butthurt League (Romney-haters, Palin worshipers, etc.), with the latter group being much smaller." The thing is, if the "Butthurt League" doesn't want to vote for guys like Romney, that's their right. Votes are earned. A lot of conservatives were excited at the prospect of having a real Republican nominee, instead they got Romney. And when they expressed disappointment, it was "shut up and vote, Romney is fine". Its the job of the Refailagain Party to inspire the base, not just to assume victory because the other guy sucks more.

240 Did I tell you a nice black gentleman at the polls demanded to see my Ohio Drivers' license because "your military ID ain't good enough"?


Isn't that illegal in OH?  If so did you file a complaint?

241 234 Marxist fucking retard,

Hey champ you "got your revenge."

Race based politics is the new normal.

See you in the funny papers.

242 Even if the So-Cons are bigots, that is their right. The problem comes when the GOP attempts to support the so-con's policies which seek to regulate an individual's behavior. The So-Cons should only ask that their right to believe as they believe should be protected. If they did only that then the GOP could be a party completely dedicated to limited government and free market economic theory. But that makes waaaaaaaaaaay too much sense.

Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at November 10, 2012 08:41 AM (H7qBA)

Please list the "GOP's attempts to support the so-con's policies which seek to regulate an individual's behavior."

243 I know at least two evangelicals and one Ronulan who didn't vote for the usual reasons such folks give, Mormons aren't Christian in the former case and Ron Paul is the only true conservative in the latter. But so what? Are there really so many people who think that way that their staying home in modest numbers could even begin to account for a vote difference this large? If so, maybe we have greater structural problems than it seems.

244 over at legalinsurrection.com Harvard bows to pressure to remove “Arab” food from Israeli buffet in dining hall Lebanese grad student wages war against Israeli food imperialism 0 1 You need no better example of the psychotic pathology of anti-Israeli Arabs, and the equally pathetic moral weakness of Harvard, than this story about a protest over an Israeli food buffet at Harvard Business School, Harvard ‘deeply troubled’ by row over Israeli buffet (emphasis mine): locusts: destroying everything in their path

245 I actually blame both parties here. Both of them want to jabber on about abortion. Why? Because it reliably fires up the idiots who compose their respective base voters.

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It's easy to make abortion and gay marriage #1 priorities when you've lived a charmed life (that of living in America vs. anywhere else).  We have everything here, even the poor with their free EBT cards, cell phones and flat screen TVs live like kings compared to the rest of the world.  True economic depression has not hit the majority here.  So they are free to waste their votes on shit they think makes them "stand for something." 

246 "234 Wanted to check in and see how long it took for things to get REALLY racist here on a Saturday morning."

Learn what the fucking word racist means.

247 241 Vic,

You know in '08 I would have.

Not anymore I have been ruminating over where to go when wife's career ends.

Ohio just left the race and I sent her to two combat tours with a sign that said "Lost Ohioan" get me?

Now reverse engineering the bullshit that was ohio's vote I am sad my family will go down with the ship but fuck 'em you want new Detroit to be your best goal Ohio have at thee.

I'm done with you.

248 >>>That doesn't explain the women's vote, the Catholic vote, or the limo liberal vote. The results of Nov. 6 indicate an electorate in the throes of decadence and corruption. How did we get to the point where women can't see past their own cooters, or Catholics enthusiastically defy the teachings and responsibilities of their own faith? Are limo liberals such a self-hating group that they wage class warfare on themselves?<<<

Posted by: kallisto at November 10, 2012 08:37 AM (jm/9g)

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Sure it does...

Women ...Nanny = Government assured Birth Control...Planned Parent hood...Equal rights

Catholics... Doesn't mean they are practicing Catholics just mean they identify with the Faith...Many are Latino that put Immigration over Faith

Limo Libs don't need the Nanny for resources but need the Nanny for power and prestige..."I'm doing the right thing for the underlings"

249 "Wanted to check in and see how long it took for things to get REALLY racist here on a Saturday morning. It took until comment #16!! I was actually kind of proud of you guys, that 15 whole comments could go by before things got overtly bigoted. Congrats! Have an awesome weekend!" Hi Welcome

250 >>> That's for sure and that there is the rub. Can Congress force a private citizen to testify or to at least appear? Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 10, 2012 08:43 AM I'm sure they can force him to appear. Of that there's no doubt. However, my understanding is he can lawyer up, which would be harder or impossible for him to do if he was the current director of the CIA.

251 1. The only evidence of Republican segments staying home or defecting are of Reagan Democrats and (there has to be something wrong here) Cubans. 2. Yes, of course, Mitt deserves a lot of the blame here, but I haven't seen a good argument for how any of the other guys we had running could have done better. Gingrich talks a good game (and I've come to cut him some slack lately because of how thoroughly he goes after the media), but has a closet of skeletons that's as big as Romney's garage. That's not to mention how quickly people forget stunts like his sitting on the couch with Pelosi, his undercutting o Paul Ryan, or how he lost his spine during the second half of his speakership. 3. I'm torn. On the one hand, I'm still game for another fight. On the other hand, I can see the logic in just sitting back an giving the Dems everything they want. Nobody and nothing else has taught their voters why what they want is bad. There's one way left to show them. We're going to have to do a gigantic overhaul to fix everything anyway. I'm not committed to that plan of action...yet... but I can see the reasoning behind it.

252 240 WH Doubter,

not voting is a vote for the winner.....

if Romney was not conservative enough for them I am glad that Obama is.

253 I say let it burn on anything that can be turned back. Let the Bush tax cuts expire, lets increase taxes on the Entertainment industry, heck weren't they found to be the most polluting industry? I"m sure we can work something there, but don't back the president on policies like 2nd Ammendment issues, or amnesty. No point chasing the Mexican vote with Amnesty since half of them are against it.

We want to fiscally let it burn, not culturally.

254 However, my understanding is he can lawyer up, which would be harder or impossible for him to do if he was the current director of the CIA. Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 10, 2012 08:47 AM (SKX2R) Call him back to Active Duty

255 234 Wanted to check in and see how long it took for things to get REALLY racist here on a Saturday morning. Posted by: He's a mooslin!!!1!! at November 10, 2012 08:42 AM (U465A) Unemployment knows no race ;-). How's that working out for ya?

256 "My husband came to this country legally on a K-1 visa, but I had to sign paperworkthat made me responsible for his support for 10 years if he couldn't support himself. He can't get food stamps, welfare payments, etc until 10 years are up. I had to provide prove to the government that I could support him. Bank statements, W-2s, tax returns." I had to sign an affidavit of support, too. I believe that it also says if they do get government support, you have to pay it back...even if you divorce!

257 Did I tell you a nice black gentleman at the polls demanded to see my Ohio Drivers' license because "your military ID ain't good enough"? That happens to me a lot. I do not think it is malicious. Most people have never even seen a Military ID or have any idea how to interpret it.

258
I'm moving to SF, maybe they'll pay for my second schvartz. I feel so despondent because I was born without two schvartzes.

Posted by: Bildo at November 10, 2012 08:31 AM (eToum)

Not sure if that's what you really want. Schvartes is a term for a black person.

You might be looking for an additional Schwantz.

259 >>> Call him back to Active Duty Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 10, 2012 08:48 AM That's what I would do --- were I the President. Somehow I don't think it's in this President's best interest though.

260 237 >> Missing from the GnuBreed Poll:
 
Peter, I made a note of your suggestion. I may run this poll again in a month or two as the fiscal cliff gets closer.
 
It's been kinda fun to do.

261 194 Every experienced IT professional has seen ORCA-type project failures before. Not the first time it's happened, certainly not the last.

They are avoidable though if the leaders get their heads out of their ass.  http://www.tinyurl.com/hit-misadventure

262 @202, what do you suggest then?  If GOP is going to get blamed no matter what, then shut the bitch down (which is right answer), take all the blame, and then start a new party using a labrador as the logo instead of a dumbo.

263 Posted by: sven10077 at November 10, 2012 08:44 AM (LRFds) So, what kind of Marxist, Constitution hating, gun grabbing stupid fuck will Obama replace petraus with?

264 "People should be free to print their own money at will "because" ask helicopter ben and his best bud Barry Choom." You should google Scottish Free Banking System, because in the old days, banks could print their own money. The system was actually pretty good.

265 >>> That happens to me a lot. I do not think it is malicious. Most people have never even seen a Military ID or have any idea how to interpret it. Probably. Also, the states run elections, not the feds. Driver's licenses are state ID.

266

Posted by: Bruce at November 10, 2012 08:50 AM (z4eur)

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Or even a schlong or a putz.

267 256 Marxist Fucking retard,

No just letting you live with your fantasy I'm a bigot but President Get Whitey is a tans racial angel.

Oh and fuck you

268 can someone please explain to me how legally some of these precincts can have well over 100% RV turnout? http://goo.gl/aigzD

269 #256: Shouldn't you be out fixing the country? You won. Get busy, toolboi.

270 "It is your right to be that way. It's not illegal." When you're done projecting your own bigotry on to us, they need you back at Kos.

271 "So, what kind of Marxist, Constitution hating, gun grabbing stupid fuck will Obama replace petraus with?"

I don't even thinks he gives shit, he probably feels bad we even have a CIA.

272 251  I'm sure they can force him to appear. Of that there's no doubt.

If Petraeus had any military hnor left, he'd appear and spill his guts about what really happened.

273

"Please list the 'GOP's attempts to support the so-con's
policies which seek to regulate an individual's behavior.'

Um, gay marriage?  How you gonna tell grown folks what they can and cannot do if that which they choose to do does not infringe upon a person's natural right and God given right to property?  This is the problem with the SoCons: out of one side of their mouth they are John Locke and out of the other they are Mayor Bloomberg.

274 Nevergiveup

I was alt Lowes yesterday, and as always, they give Military discount when you ask for it and show ID.

I wasn't thinking, and pulled out my Retiree ID, while saying "Oh, here's my shoppers club discount card"

She had to get a manager, as she didn't know that Lowes had a Shoppers club discount card.
The manager told her , Oh, that's military ID.
Her response was "I never saw one before"

275 Whats with the troll assualt this morning? Starting up with the racist bullsht? They should take their troll asses down to there local MLK Drive, have their girlfriend or boyfriend it seems more likely, and strut there compassionate asses through the hood. Then come back and tell us how that worked out for you?

276 >>>So, what kind of Marxist, Constitution hating, gun grabbing stupid fuck will Obama replace petraus with?<<< Apparently he is going to replace him (at least interim) with a bootlicking, political loyalist, cubicle resident named Mike Morrell

277 Sven, just ignore the troll.  It's obviously just trying to anger us.  Just let them flop around looking like a fool. 

278 I have a cushy, well-paying easy government job that gives me Monday off even though I'm not a veteran. No drug test ether, so I SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY. It's awesome! Thanks for helping to pay my salary! Posted by: He's a mooslin!!!1!! at November 10, 2012 08:52 AM (U465A) lol, clueless. I'm not paying one penny of your salary ;-). And, it figures you care not for those unemployed. And, with your boy, more unemployed than ever before, and more to come. Your very narrow mindset is dead on. cluess think about how I could not be paying a penny to your salary... think about it.

279 259 NGU,

I get that but I vote at an Air Force Base, he was wearing a USAF retiree cap and I showed my ID as a courtesy to let them see my last name.

legally in Ohio I did not have to show my ID at all and would suffer at worst my ballot being provisional.

Considering he did not ask ID of anyone else, and frankly that includes my wife who was literally beside me as this happened well...

I didn't pursue it because he was old and a bit befuddled but I am never anything but touched when a person who probably went to bed thinking i was the world's biggest racist for showing my ID as a first reflex anyway doesn't grasp the irony of demanding two forms of ID.

280 So, what kind of Marxist, Constitution hating, gun grabbing stupid fuck will Obama replace petraus with? Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 08:51 AM (3Y7RV) Right now, temp, it is the Deputy Director Michael J. Morell (born 195 is the current Acting Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, his second time in that role, having served as Acting Director the year before, in 2011. In May 2010, Morell was sworn in as the Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, succeeding Stephen Kappes.[1] As stated, from July 1[2] to September 6, 2011, he served his first stint as Acting Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, following the appointment of Leon Panetta as Secretary of Defense. On November 9, 2012, Morell once again became Acting Director following the resignation of General David Petraeus, following an extramarital affair.[3] President Obama plans to nominate him as the Director.[4] Morell is a native of Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio.[5] He joined the CIA in 1980. He was chief of the CIA's division on Asia, Pacific and Latin America.[6] Most of his work in the agency was devoted to Asian projects.[5] He also managed the staff that produced the Presidential Daily Briefings for President George W. Bush.[5][6] Before his 2010 nomination as Deputy Director, Morell served as Director for Intelligence, a position he had held since 2008. Before that, he served as the CIA's first Associate Deputy Director from 2006-2008.

281 How come conservatives do not organize for common goals??

We do not have a seat at the table because we just roll over and do it again

Heres one...Stop buying UAW products and by your Cars from Right to work law states???

Make it hurt where it counts...

Bitching won't get anything done...Defeat the Nanny

282 280: That's almost certainly just an interim appointment.

283 new up

284 260 Not sure if that's what you really want. Schvartes is a term for a black person. You might be looking for an additional Schwantz. Posted by: Bruce at November 10, 2012 08:50 AM (z4eur) Yes, but one man's Schvartes is another man's Schwantz.

285 "person's natural right and God given right to property?"

Two guys or gals pretending they're married is a natural and God given right? Gee, I missed that that one in the Bible.

286 By the way, the Obamphones and EBT are some amount of money, but most of the entitlements and tax breaks are for the middle class. Wait until the math finally gets done. The poor will start losing the social safety net. That's how the Dems in California are handling the situation.

287 I get that but I vote at an Air Force Base, he was wearing a USAF retiree cap and I showed my ID as a courtesy to let them see my last name. legally in Ohio I did not have to show my ID at all and would suffer at worst my ballot being provisional. Considering he did not ask ID of anyone else, and frankly that includes my wife who was literally beside me as this happened well... I didn't pursue it because he was old and a bit befuddled but I am never anything but touched when a person who probably went to bed thinking i was the world's biggest racist for showing my ID as a first reflex anyway doesn't grasp the irony of demanding two forms of ID. Posted by: sven10077 at November 10, 2012 08:55 AM (LRFds) Sorry I missed your post. I just say the general thing about Military IDs. Yeah I hear ya. The average age of those poll people is somewhere north of 70 I think

288

Do we govern by the Bible or do we govern according to the Constitution?  They are NOT the same thing.  You cannot have freedom in a Theocracy.  Just ask the Iranians about that.  Nice try though.

289 >>>He also managed the staff that produced the Presidential Daily Briefings for President George W. Bush ... Before that, he served as the CIA's first Associate Deputy Director from 2006-2008.<<< Did Morrell have a role in that politically motivated "Iran has no nuke program" fiasco?

290 "Please list the 'GOP's attempts to support the so-con's
policies which seek to regulate an individual's behavior.'


Um, gay marriage? How you gonna tell grown folks what they can and cannot do if that which they choose to do does not infringe upon a person's natural right and God given right to property? This is the problem with the SoCons: out of one side of their mouth they are John Locke and out of the other they are Mayor Bloomberg.

Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at November 10, 2012 08:54 AM (H7qBA)

That's it?  Gay marriage?  And what percentage of the population does that actually affect? 

Gays can't even decide about marriage.  Not that long ago they referred to people who married as 'breeders' with disdain.  Now it's 'ZOMG...LET US MARRY!'  

It's not about 'marriage' for gays....they can enter into a civil union that gives them everything they want.  It's about sticking it to the church.  

Paleeese....that's all ya got?

291 OSP others,

It doesn't really matter who Choom replaces General All In with....

they will use Stalin's wolfpack tactics to keep everyone in line.

The FBI will be more political than the "evil Hoover" days.

It's gonna get bumpy team.

292 Is it posssible "He's a Mooslim" is just a sock? Either way, sock or idiot liberal just ignore the troll.

293 I don't know maybe they do this already but it would seem prudent to back and ask those who didn't vote why? http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/333135/voters-who-stayed-home-andrew-c-mccarthy

294 >>> How come conservatives do not organize for common goals?? Because philosophically (and I would argue biologically, but that's a harder sell) they're more into individualism?

295 Please list the "GOP's attempts to support the so-con's policies which seek to regulate an individual's behavior." Posted by: Tami at November 10, 2012 08:44 AM (X6ak) Well, the pro-life abortion plank at the R convention mentioned no exceptions at all even the life of the mother. I'm sure that little piece of information was quite useful to O's GOTV tweekers when getting apathetic women and young people and fiscal con-social liberal type Ds etc to the polls.

296 Did Morrell have a role in that politically motivated "Iran has no nuke program" fiasco? Posted by: Moron Horder at November 10, 2012 08:58 AM (bS6uW) How did Petraeus's affair really come to light? Who knew what when about Benghazi? How come my wife always loses my favorite socks?

297 "Beginning Wednesday morning, all the second guessing and finger pointing began: the so-cons didn't show up..."

They did show up in reasonable numbers. The socon issue wasn't turnout of socons. It was the two successive socon gaffes about rape that alienated persuadable swing voters.

"Palinites were butt hurt..."

Palinite here. Not butthurt. Turned out faithfully, locked vote in early.

"Gary Johnson made the difference in Florida."

A big chunk of it, to be sure, but how much of a pitch to libertarians do you recall Mitt making? Instead of clearly saying we have a gargantuan government that's out of control and needs to be cut back with a chainsaw in all areas, Mitt basically ran as the guy who would do a better job managing the existing gargantuan government.

And frankly, that was not an attractive pitch to me, either. I didn't vote for Mitt because I thought he would slash government. I voted for him because I knew the other guy would continue to grow government like a tumor, and stasis under Mitt was preferable to metastasis under Obama.

"I know one guy who hates obama, I was certain he had voted against him on Tuesday. He called me - stunned after the election. When I said, 'well at least you know you voted the right way', he replied, 'No, I let my registration expire because I didn't want to get called for jury duty.'"

I hope you call this cretin every single time Barky does something horrible in the next four years. His phone's going to be ringing four or five times a week. "Hi. Me again. Here's more of what you didn't vote to prevent."

298 Ace needs to fire up some more troll busters. and ban some aggravating SOBs

299 Tami, if you are for limited government they why do you favor government enacting policy over the definition of a word?  Furthermore, the definition you seek to apply comes from the Bible.  It's one thing to apply that rubric to you own life but to forcefully apply a Biblical principle upon the entire country not only violates the precepts of limited government and individual freedom, it also violates the establishment clause of the 1st Amendment.  I swear, you guys are just as bad as the Marxists who have taken over the democratic party.

300 using a labrador pit bull as the logo instead of a dumbo.

Posted by: Andrew at November 10, 2012 08:50 AM (Egza/)

FIFY

301 From what people are saying, if Romney had invited Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, and a few others to the GOP Convention and show them a little respect so their supporters would feel included, he might be choosing his cabinet today.

302

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 10, 2012 09:02 AM (SKX2R)

___

Right on point. And I don't want to scare the shit out of anyone, but my parents' homeland is notorious for individualistic voting and party allegiance. That nation's politics is a perennial clusterfark.

 

We need to join together, stop the internecine battles, or the GOP will end up as a little Italian peninsula within the world of American politics.

303 GREATEST COMMENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE USE OF LANGUAGE:  "Fucking losers. Enjoy irrelevancy, you've all contributed greatly to it. Please go fuck yourselves wih a fire hydrant. Actually, you should really try that, it feels fantastic. But you gotta use a ton of lube." 

304 How did Petraeus's affair really come to light? [A] The FBI knew it for some time but only now threatened to expose it for political reasons. Who knew what when about Benghazi? [A] Hillary and Panetta (at minimum) and probably Obama knew about it contemporaneously but chose not to intervene for political reasons. How come my wife always loses my favorite socks? [A] She's fucking with your head. Now, about Morrell and his role in the CIA playing down the Iranian nuke program?

305 Making a preparatory run for bourbon. bbl

306 "Fucking losers. Enjoy irrelevancy, you've all contributed greatly to it" You're right that the GOP is irrelevant and its their own fault. I'll give you that. Anyway, enjoy your castration.

307 "Do we govern by the Bible or do we govern according to the Constitution? They are NOT the same thing. You cannot have freedom in a Theocracy."

Jesus fucking Christ, everyone here want to know why Romney lost? It's because of people like this. For two hundred some odd years we as a nation achieved greatness because of a cultural norm based on notion of what's right and what's wrong, born mostly from traditional Judeo-Christian values. But not in this fucking guys eyes, while we turn our backs on those values the nation solely turns itself into a shithole and this guy is worried about us, about Christians implementing a fucking Theocracy.
Could you be more disconnected with reality?

308 Socons showed up. Paultards n Palinistas didnt. And the clown throwing the racism shit on the thread should be permanently banned

309 The funny thing about anyone thinking we're done is they're delusional enough to think $1.4 trillion deficits can continue. Dumbasses, we're going to be back one way or the other. It's just a question of whether it will be the hard way (Greece) or the easy way (Britain).

310 Al,

Do you really think that the idea that a marriage is a union between the sexes is just from the bible?

Do you have any examples of a society that allowed gay marriages prior to the late 20th century?

Even in classical antiquity when homosexuality was accepted and condoned (and in some cities even considered a civic duty) they didn't have gay marriages.

311 An Obama voter wakes up in his basement apartment at his mom's house. Too lazy to get up and make coffee, he tries to jerk off for a while but he can't get it up, says to himself, "I think I'll go fuck with the Rethugs for a while."

312

Jesus fucking Christ, everyone here want to know why Romney lost? It's because of people like this. For two hundred some odd years we as a nation achieved greatness because of a cultural norm based on notion of what's right and what's wrong, born mostly from traditional Judeo-Christian values. But not in this fucking guys eyes, while we turn our backs on those values the nation solely turns itself into a shithole and this guy is worried about us, about Christians implementing a fucking Theocracy.
Could you be more disconnected with reality?

 

Dude, once the GOP stops pandering to a contituency that wants to use the coercive force of government to impose a morality based on religious teachings, they will be more than a viable party.  They will dominate nearly every election cycle.  The Dems have their own version of the evangelicals and religious right, they are called Marxists and statists.

313 The GOP needs to learn that when you are fighting a crime family, use mobster tactics (and know who to trust).  Mister nice guy is a looser in today's politics.

314 Thanks surferdoc for helping support my premise.

315 320 SurferDoc,

Well played.

That's the thing for a bunch of twats who "won big" they sure aren't very happy.

It's your toy now klwons go play with it.

Captain EO can pencil whip all your dreams and desires we GET that you donks don't give a fuck about the Constitution.

Next time neither will I, I aim to nominate the guy who will fuck you up by whatever means necessary not by the rules of the US republic you killed.

316 "using a labrador pit bull as the logo instead of a dumbo."

That would be one way to attract more hispanics...

317 Still can't figure out why you all lost, right?

318 "The GOP needs to learn that when you are fighting a crime family, use mobster tactics (and know who to trust). Mister nice guy is a looser in today's politics." This right here.

319 Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at November 10, 2012 09:02 AM (H7qBA)


Whatever Al, if you think that's the most important thing....have at it.


Gays are unemployed too.....

320 Fire is the best cleansing agent. I love this great Country. All I know is that my great grandfathers ( Revolutionary, and Civil War ) are so disappointed.

321 "Gays are unemployed too....."

yeah but they don't have to worry about going hungry

322 328 Tami,

Indeed.

Why so angry Libs?

This is my new and improved 2012-2014 GOP platform.

1) Anyone can marry anything

2) Abolish the INS

3) Spend it as you will spend spend spend...

Do not get in barry's way.

Have at it Barry show me we can tax our way to prosperity.

323 I get the impression that a lot of moonbats are scared that Obama won. I think they know that their policies are destructive and they will be held accountable. Doesn't mean they will vote Republican, because they are too cowardly to stray from the Elite Intelligentsia, but deep in their tortured souls they know they are wrong.

324 Tami, you're either gonna be about John Locke or not.  The only role of government is to protect man's natural and God given right to property.  Nothing more. 

325 Gays are unemployed too..... Posted by: Tami at November 10, 2012 09:14 AM (X6akg) Not fo long. Da onlest reeson some beef smoker aint gots no Jobs cause he aint seen me. So come on down you bored Trools, ya'll won the election. I'm sure the free adderol, little ceasers cooopons and Dew code reds are all dried up fron da axlpuke. You must be tireds of doin it fer free. All the dicks you can suck, $10 each, I provides the blistex. See ya'll soon.

326 "Dude, once the GOP stops pandering to a contituency that wants to use the coercive force of government to impose a morality based on religious teachings, they will be more than a viable party."

Viable party? How about we set for a goal a viable nation, one that doesn't descend into some liberalist utopia where everything is based on fairness and non-discrimination yet were everything and everyone is fucking miserable .

327 Is it a waste to be a part of something like this? Not in historical terms. Someone should write a book

328 "Viable party? How about we set for a goal a viable nation, one that doesn't descend into some liberalist utopia where everything is based on fairness and non-discrimination yet were everything and everyone is fucking miserable ." Uh, we're first going to need a viable party. Because politics.

329 >>>The only role of government is to protect man's natural and God given right to property<<<<

Then why do you want to use government to redefine marriage?

330 For some reason, maybe it is the black despair I feel as I am still reeling from Tuesday's loss of America, but I am failing to find a lot of humor here at AoS, usually an effective antidote to politics.  Instead, I hear a lot of wailing and moaning about valid issues, but don't see a clear path "Forward! ™ " to taking on solutions.


For example, the issue of potential voter fraud undermines the whole concept of an election process.  If the vote counters generate the result, why bother to be a voter?  Many good points have been made here concerning voter fraud, yet my predictions are that absolutely nothing will be done to resolve what happened in this election (and it just might be that this election was as pure as the driven snow); a few states will probably enact voter ID laws (watered down per SC direction) and they will all be challenged by the usual suspects and not in place in either 2014 or 2016; and no serious attempt will be made by any state to create a certifiable verifiable voting system (no purely electronic systems).  The bottom line is that there are things that could be done, but I don't the Republicans, Conservatives, TEA Party, or Libertarians will do squat to resolve any aspect of this issue in a meaningful manner.


I could go on and probably will later, but right now I need another beer.

331 @260 Thanks for the correction, I just don't function well before the crack of noon.

332

"Viable party? How about we set for a goal a viable nation, one that doesn't descend into some liberalist utopia where everything is based on fairness and non-discrimination yet were everything and everyone is fucking miserable ."

 

No disagreement on this point.  If you want to have a viable party then the GOP needs to be about "pure capitalism" and social freedom.  Tha' hell with equality.  It's all about the freedom and liberty to dispose of our property in a manner of our own choosing. 

333 "Do not get in barry's way. Have at it Barry show me we can tax our way to prosperity." See, that's the idea I'm toying with. The thing is we would need to be blunt about it or we'd still get blamed. Just say that for two years that "as long as a bill has the approval of the majority of Dems in the House, the Republicans will not oppose it. The only way Dem voters might learn that they're policies are bad is by showing them. Of course, the problem with this (and why I'm not 100% sold on it) is I know a guy from Greece, a fairly smart guy, who still insists that there's nothing wrong with socialism and that it's not the reason their country is f-cked.

334 "Uh, we're first going to need a viable party. Because politics."

That wasn't really my point, Al in Bayshore thinks the two parties should be the Liberal Party and the Liberal that leans a little Fiscally sane Party.  That way we can enjoy our gay pride parades and witness fucking debauchery and know it was run fiscally sound. As if that's the answer.

335 Typing on an iPhone. Excuse the typos.

336

"Then why do you want to use government to redefine marriage?"

 

Bro, don't even go there.  You are still using a religion a means for coercing people into behavior and accepting definitions.  This is not freedom.

337 139Saw Beeson on Fox News a couple weeks back. Seemed really overwhelmed by the job, and managed to get flustered, even though he was getting mainly softballs. Didn't inspire confidence.

Posted by: William The Conqueror at November 10, 2012 08:07 AM (ylZ5l)***** That might be good for people to see,

338

ST. LOUIS (AP) - A coal producer owned by a longtime critic of President Barack Obama's energy policies will lay off nearly 160 workers at Illinois and Utah mines, blaming the freshly re-elected president for a "war on coal."

Ohio-based Murray Energy Corp. said in a statement supplied Friday to The Associated Press that it would give pink slips to 102 workers at its West Ridge Mine in Utah and 54 at its underground mine in the southern Illinois town of Galatia. Both mines are run by Murray Energy subsidiaries.

Murray did not specify when layoffs will take place or the total number of workers at each affected site. The company refused an email interview request, saying only that "unfortunately, we will be forced to make even more layoffs, none of which we want."

I hope that everyone who got laid off voted for Barry. It would a nice gift for their stupidity.

339 Project ORCA? More like Project DORCA!! AmIright? AmIright?

340 "Dude, once the GOP stops pandering to a contituency that wants to use
the coercive force of government to impose a morality based on religious
teachings, they will be more than a viable party."


This was the election for your ideals - stress the economy, hammer on jobs, rah rah fiscal conservatism.  Run away from social issues as fast as you can!


It was a resounding failure.

341 My vote moved "Let It Burn" ahead of "Government Shutdown", 182-181.  I feel special.

342 Could somebody point me to a source that provies, once and for all, where the Republican party wants to establish a fucking Theocracy??

343 For  the *****, Romeny was (apparently) NOT delusional by one measure. The polls showed a near tie at the end.

344 323 You are welcome. Some of us see.

345 "Bro, don't even go there. You are still using a religion a means for coercing people into behavior and accepting definitions. This is not freedom.

Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at November 10, 2012 09:29 AM (H7qBA)"

So religious people have to just shut up now?  Whatever atheists want, they get?

Yeah no.

346 Posted by: AD at November 10, 2012 09:26 AM (qiQSh)

I think your Greek friend may be learning that socialism doesn't work as well as the theory says very soon.

I think the "modified let it burn" approach for the House would be great, but Boner and his buds cannot resist the chance to get in the history books in what they think will be a positive light.

Mr President, we await the Democrat budget written by House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and do NOT intend to oppose it.  All House Republicans will, however, be voting "Present!" when the bill comes to the House floor."

347 Could somebody point me to a source that provies, once and for all, where the Republican party wants to establish a fucking Theocracy??

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 10, 2012 09:31 AM (uD2fR)

It's the same source that said Romney was going to ban tampons. The Democrat propaganda machine churns it out and too many people believe it

348 "Democracy extends the sphere of individual freedom, socialism restricts it. Democracy attaches all possible value to each man; socialism makes each man a mere agent, a mere number. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude."

---Democracy in America

Americans got this mixed up some time in the 1960's and we have never really recovered.  Obama sells servitude in exchange for a few pills and some near-worthless welfare checks. 

I also think there is another component we have not discussed.  It's the "fear of the future."   Both parties play this up and I think it plays into the Democrat hands.  Think about the near constant doomsday scenarios painted by our side and what we offer to the typical voter.

They offer a future with government shelter and we tell them it's better to be on your own.

349 >>>>>You are still using a religion a means for coercing people into behavior and accepting definitions.<<<<<<

What religion?

What society prior to the late 20th century had gay marriages?

In all societies throughout history marriage was a union between the sexes. You are the one trying to redefine the word.

350 Mr President, we await the Democrat budget written by House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and do NOT intend to oppose it. All House Republicans will, however, be voting "Present!" when the bill comes to the House floor." Posted by: Hrothgar at November 10, 2012 09:33 AM (Cnqmv) As entertaining as that sounds, they should block everything they need to block up to and including shutting down the Gov.

351

"So religious people have to just shut up now? Whatever atheists want, they get?
Yeah no."

 

Dude, what the GOP does on behalf of the evangelicals and religious right is no better than what the Dems do on behalf of the athiests.  The athiests try to deprive people of religion while the evangelicals and religious right try to impose religion.  The only thing the relgious right and evangelicals should do is stand for religious freedom.  Nothing more.

352

"Bro, don't even go there. You are still using a
religion a means for coercing people into behavior and accepting
definitions. This is not freedom. "

Bro, the fucking definition and institution of marriage has long been defined. 

 

You're trying to assert an inherently leftist argument in that long accepted definitions of common words are subject to change in the course of an election cycle for political reasons.  You're either aware of this and hoping  no one can see the flawed premise of your argument, or you're just a lefty stooge.

 

Considering you're peddling the "BUT, THEOCRACY!!" bullshit, I'll go with the latter.

353 "Could somebody point me to a source that provies, once and for all, where the Republican party wants to establish a fucking Theocracy??

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 10, 2012 09:31 AM (uD2fR)"

In the hearts and minds of the loser fucktard 'GOP'ers who didn't bother to turn out on Tuesday.

The people who screamed it was the SoCons that cost us this election.  Of course, we SoCons all voted in high numbers.  So obviously the problem is pandering to SoCons.

Fuck these people.  They're irrational.  You're never going to convince urban voters to give up on the gubmint checks.  You might be able to convince them that Jesus hates the sinners that run their party.  I say run hard on a "God" platform and paint the fucking Democrats as the sleazeball criminals that they are.

We need to play dirty and take every advantage we can.  This is a war without blood.

354 As entertaining as that sounds, they should block everything they need to block up to and including shutting down the Gov.

Posted by: Tyrone Velvet, proprietor, Tyrone's coin operated glory hole and transgendered chicken shack at November 10, 2012 09:36 AM (3Y7RV)

Increasingly, I view all politics as entertainment since it appears that I have no input as to how the process unfolds.

355

"The athiests try to deprive people of religion while the evangelicals and religious right try to impose religion."

 

 

A comment based on nothing more than the caricatures of the Right that have accumulated in your mind.

356 Increasingly, I view all politics as entertainment since it appears that I have no input as to how the process unfolds. Posted by: Hrothgar at November 10, 2012 09:37 AM (Cnqmv) Dats a Damn good point.

357

"In all societies throughout history marriage was a union between the sexes. You are the one trying to redefine the word."

 

And if I recall, people define words and terms, not government. 

358

"A comment based on nothing more than the caricatures of the Right that have accumulated in your mind."

 

All caricatures have basis in truth.  If the GOP stops feeding the caricatures with its living and breathing caricatures (and you know who I am talking about) then this would not happen to you guys.

359

"And if I recall, people define words and terms, not government.

 

Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at November 10, 2012 09:40 AM (H7qBA) "

 

Yup, and the people have defined that word a long time ago.  Go ahead and keep arguing against it.  Should be fun.

 

It's always fun to watch Progressives masquerading as Libertarians.

360 And if I recall, people define words and terms, not government. Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at November 10, 2012 09:40 AM (H7qBA) And da good peoples of Kalifornia voted no and some cock smokin Judge overturned the peoples, so what da fuck was you talkin bout again? Need a job? I gots one fer ya.

361 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 10, 2012 09:37 AM (uhAkr)



Another problem is that Federal Elections should have religion considered in terms of how the Federal government's action impact the free exercise of religion.  Details of implementation (Christmas trees in a public square down to post-birth abortion on demand) should be left to the states (see Amd 10).  If you don't like the way your state handles it leave!

Of course with forced public support of planned parenthood by the Feral Government this is a moot point, but it would have saved some grief during this election is we had argued along these lines.

362 Dude, what the GOP does on behalf of the evangelicals and religious right is no better than what the Dems do on behalf of the athiests. The athiests try to deprive people of religion while the evangelicals and religious right try to impose religion. The only thing the relgious right and evangelicals should do is stand for religious freedom. Nothing more.

Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at November 10, 2012 09:36 AM (H7qBA)

I'm not evangelical but if imposing religion means not wanting to pay for Sandy Fuck's birth control or abortions, or not funding teaching kids that Heather has 2 mommies (while they ignore traditional education), or teaching teenagers that having kids out of wedlock leads to a life of poverty and misery for them and their kids then I stand with the evangelicals. Dude

363

"All caricatures have basis in truth. If the GOP stops feeding the caricatures with its living and breathing caricatures (and you know who I am talking about) then this would not happen to you guys."

 

A basis in truth is not truth.  I guess you buy into racial stereotypes too then huh?  How far down that rabbit hole you want to go Champ?  Your position is about to start unraveling real fucking quick.  Lefties always have that problem when you scratch the surface of their arguments.

364 I'm back and damn this thread needs some troll busting.  If you real Morons would quit respond to the SOBs they will go away.


Look at this way, every time you respond to one of these worthless asswipes they rub one out.  Do you want to become jerk off material?

365

"It's always fun to watch Progressives masquerading as Libertarians."

 

How am I progressive when I just got through saying that I support a "pure competition" model of capitalism?  Bro, before you start arguing with me on words and definitions, you NEED to get your own words and definitions in order.  Just sayin'.

366 http://melaniephillips.com/america-goes-into-the-darkness

"Romney lost because he refused to provide an alternative for fear of being labelled a warmonger, flint-heart or social reactionary. He refused to engage with any of the issues that made this Presidential election so truly momentous. Up against the bullying of the totalitarian left, he ran for cover. He played safe, and as a result only advertised his own weakness and dishonesty. Well, voters can smell inconsistency from a mile away; they call it untrustworthiness, and they are right Â…like BritainÂ’s Conservative Party, the Republicans just donÂ’t understand that America and the west are being consumed by a culture war. In their cowardice and moral confusion, they all attempt to appease the enemies within. And from without, the Islamic enemies of civilization stand poised to occupy the void."

367 362 Bevel L,

Hey remember me from the Akin wars?

Yeah I now support RiNo finding out what a silent and inactive SoCon wing does for the party.

I am a FiCon first but I have some SoCon to me.

GOP can try to firm up the coalition while letting Barry burn the Democrats for 2014 and 2016 or they can cave while still setting themselves up for blame and try to go circular firing squad.

My gun ain't in on the circular firing squad because frankly gentlemen if shit goes real bad we all will NEED each other not just endure each other.

Keep on plugging bevel.

368 I am more and more convinced we have four main issues we need to clean up.

1. Squishes like Boehner and McConnell that we can't count on to fight the fight the way it needs to.  However, we have to be smart in how we take these guys out and how we pick our candidates

2. Quit the blind, purist crap that gives us bad candidates.  Being as pro-life as Akin or Mourdouck doesn't make you a bad candidate.  Being a fucking idiot who can't answer questions or avoid traps and is not ready for prime time on the big stage does.  No, I'm not making the "electable" argument.  I'm saying if Akin, Mourdouck, Angle, O'Donnell, etc, are the best people we could find to represent our beliefs, then we're truly fucked. 4-5 seats the last 2 elections that we easily could/should have won and TFG is in solid gridlock.

3. Take over the party.  Get involved in the party structure at the bottom levels and make it ours.

4. Messaging - our main problem.  The frontal assault, guns-a-blazing method doesn't win us votes and allows the media and Dems to easily vilify us.  They got us to this point using Death by 1,000 Slices.  We need to undo it the same way, piece by piece with logical arguments.  Use their tactics against them.

369 I'm out'a here. Headed over to drink mass quantities of beer with a gay, black, Obama voter. At least his boyfriend voted for Romney.

370 By all means though, if you guys want to run Todd Akin for POTUS next time around, please do. Posted by: he's a mooslin!!!1!! at November 10, 2012 09:46 AM (U465A) Ize don't give a shit whats you do. In the mowf, up da ass, help yourself. Stay the fuck out of da school and away from my Chilluns. Eventuly we bes havin big troubles.

371

"A basis in truth is not truth. I guess you buy into racial stereotypes too then huh? How far down that rabbit hole you want to go Champ? Your position is about to start unraveling real fucking quick. Lefties always have that problem when you scratch the surface of their arguments."

 

I don't think so.   In fact I know so.  Gay marriage?  You want to keep grown folks from doing making a mutually acceptable and agreed upon decision?  This exactly what the gay marriage ban is about.  AND its not just that either.  What's up with the social conservativew who support the drug prohibition?  You do know about that?  The thing that is causing crime and violence in the country and swelling our prison populations?  C'mon now.  The so-cons fail to understand and acknowledge their nanny state tendencies.  Just sayin'.

372 "How am I progressive when I just got through saying that I support a "pure competition" model of capitalism? Bro, before you start arguing with me on words and definitions, you NEED to get your own words and definitions in order. Just sayin'.

 

Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at November 10, 2012 09:44 AM (H7qBA)"

 

You're a progressive when you use progressive argumentative tactics.  For example: Now you're switching the subject.  I was responding to your flawed premise about definitions (another fundamentally leftist tactic) AND your completely unsupportable THEOCRACY!! non-argument, but either you can't fucking read, can't focus, or intentionally change the subject. 

 

You NEED to focus, or just leave and stop wasting your time and ours Tiger.

373 Time to quit this thread.

374 Wasn't it a judge in MA that decided the word marriage didn't necessarily mean a union between a man and a woman that kicked off the whole gay marriage thing? i.e. a government functionary redefining a word?

375

 wrt the poll, you need to re-examine your strategy and tactics(even if you don't re-examine your premises and political philosophy). That option's not listed.

You've blamed the losses on everyone and everything else, though, haven't you! ...except for your strategy and tactics, let alone your underlying political philosophies.

...if you use the same strategy and tactics, over and over, and keep losing... or if you don't know - and fully understand - the difference between the two, to begin with...or, if those strategies and tactics don't work in support of your politcal philosophies...

 

376 I voted to let it burn.  Let's give them what they want and then sit back and watch it fail miserably.  At the very least we might be able to primary Boehner.

377

"You're a progressive when you use progressive argumentative tactics. For example: Now you're switching the subject. I was responding to your flawed premise about definitions (another fundamentally leftist tactic) AND your completely unsupportable THEOCRACY!! non-argument, but either you can't fucking read, can't focus, or intentionally change the subject.
You NEED to focus, or just leave and stop wasting your time and ours Tiger."

 

No dude, I just caught you out there.  It was clear that you didn't know what the hell you were talking about.  You just labeled a staunch supporter of pure capitalism a "progressive".  That makes no sense.  In a nutshell, my philosophy is about making that small special interest groups to not intrude upon my private life.  In fact, I'll shorten it to three simple words: "Mind ya' bidness".

378 388 Not the mama,

You know...never mind.

John Boehner could have the streets of Troy ohio paved with gold if inclined b/c of his power instead he tries to be a fair leader.

You won't beat Boehner at home.

If John boehner is the problem with the GOP and he is not welcome you'll never win Ohio again.

379 What's the latest with Allen West's recount?

380

"I don't think so. In fact I know so. Gay marriage? You want to keep grown folks from doing making a mutually acceptable and agreed upon decision?"

 

No, child.  I'm talking about simple, long accepted definitions of common words.  My point was directly addressing that in plain, clear English.  You keep beating the shit out of that strawman though Champ.

 

"What's up with the social conservativew who support the drug prohibition? You do know about that? The thing that is causing crime and violence in the country and swelling our prison populations? C'mon now. The so-cons fail to understand and acknowledge their nanny state tendencies. Just sayin'."

 

That's not a SoCon position you fuckwit.  You can keep trying to change the subject though.  That has fuckall to do with God and THEOCRACY ZOMGZ!!

381 and just to be clear I think the GOP is well on the way to never winning Ohio again anyway.

The cleveland rot has spread too far.

I quit Ohio you want to nuke Boehner go ahead I won't help.

382 "377 Maybe straight people should stop trying to define gay relationships for gay people. The same way men need to stop talking about exerting their rights over women's vaginas. It kinda rings hollow." Nonsense, I and all pro-lifers are entirely against men controlling women's bodies... Which is why I don't think it should be legal for abortion doctors to kill them.

383

"No dude, I just caught you out there. It was clear that you didn't know what the hell you were talking about. You just labeled a staunch supporter of pure capitalism a "progressive"."

 

No dude, you can't fucking read.  Keep talking in circles.  That shit may work on your fellow lefties, but here it just reveals you for the imbecile you are.

 

Peace out bro.

384 59 I'm very intrigued with Rush's idea of givng amnesty to the illegals, as long as they can't vote for 25 years.
-
Since 1965 Republicans have been signing on for things that were bound to lead to bad consequences, just not immediately.

What is the attraction?

385 "Hey remember me from the Akin wars?"


I didn't really get drawn in on Akin too much.  I


"Yeah I now support RiNo finding out what a silent and inactive SoCon wing does for the party."


I don't understand what you wrote.  Sometimes I can be a bit slow.


"GOP can try to firm up the coalition while letting Barry burn the Democrats for 2014 and 2016 or they can cave while still setting themselves up for blame and try to go circular firing squad."


Tell the Fiscons to shut up about it then.  I only respond when some social lib moron starts up about how we need to jettison SoCons to get on the path to success.

386 There is a missing choice in your poll: actively work to take over the party. That would have been my choice.

387 "I don't think so. In fact I know so. Gay marriage? You want to keep grown folks from doing making a mutually acceptable and agreed upon decision?"

Brother-sister marriage then?

"ICKY NO ICKY GROSS!  It's against the laws of nature!  ICKY NO ICKY GROSS!"

388 I must be looking at the wrong news sources.  Where are the reports of the arrests in the massive Philadelphia election fraud scheme?

389 Posted by: sven10077 at November 10, 2012 09:55 AM (LRFds)

I don't think the GOP is ever winning ohio again.  I don't think they are ever winning the presidency again, period.  Socialism is coming because the GOP can't get their shit together and control their message.  So yeah, I want all the GOP leadership out.  They're all failures. They took all that hard-earned good money desperate Americans gave them to win this election and flushed it down the toilet.  Let 'em all burn.

390 "I must be looking at the wrong news sources. Where are the reports of the arrests in the massive Philadelphia election fraud scheme?"


There would need to be an opposition party for such a thing to occur.

391 Al from Bay Shore. Bay Shore NY?

392

The libertarians say Rs would have more success by dropping abortion as an issue.  How does turning the south blue by suppressing evangelicals and SoCons translate into success for limited government?  I don't get it. 

393 There's a great editorial rant about the election linked in my sock. (Hat tip Kate at Small Dead Animals.)

394 from Drudge :

If Puerto Rico can petition for statehood.WHY NOT??

Peacefully grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.

http://tinyurl.com/d32c95y

395 In fact, I'll shorten it to three simple words: "Mind ya' bidness".

Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at November 10, 2012 09:55 AM (H7qBA)

Yo bro, whut up. Just chillen, want no rulez. I'm so hip and progressive but don't touch my cash. Yeah yo. Peace out

396 As far a "burning it down", i.e., cutting off your own dicks and popping them into your mouths as pacifiers, why not burn them down instead - the ones who betrayed us:

- the employers who hired the illegals who put Obama over the top while illegally running their competitors into bankruptcy

- the fucks who got theirs first by selling the defective ORCA to the Romney campaign. They should be made into such pariahs that the homeless end up being the only neighbors who take them in

- everyone else who sold out conservatives to selfishly benefit themselves first and last

Instead, the Chicago thugs successfully brought guns to a knife fight, and many of you are now arguing over which dessert spoon is most fashionably appropriate to retaliate with.

It's fucking time to go Bluto, people.

397 You guys keep arguing ideas. We lost because they stole it and mitt gave up before we could fix it. There is the idea to take away. If the beltway GOP won't fight for us, then we have to fight it ourselves. Figure out how to steal elections as good as they do and then we can go back to the debate club.

398 Ben Howe's piece if excellent. Googled Moffat. Geez, who hired this guy? There are so many red flags for conservatives in the guys bio it practically screams, "don't hire him" http://tinyurl.com/aoq3wwe

399 Although I voted for Let It Burn, I suspect that this is what Obama and his handlers actually are aiming for.

This isn't a criminal enterprise that's going for a bust out where they crank out as much stolen property as they can manage to convince legitimate vendors to loan them, this is a spear aimed at the heart of American cohesiveness and power.

They intend to cripple the US, bring it to it's knees and restructure the country to the exact specification they seeing as keeping them in power in plain sight and no longer behind the scenes.

Overloading of the benefit system, the planting of and the push for certain dangerous and immoral banking and accounting practices (which were crimes until recently) has ballooned our debt and our frangibility to the point where experts say it can't be stopped.

when the system collapses and the overseas markets also collapse (one will abet the other) there will be NO MORE STUFF. Nor will our money be worth anything (that's if you have any hard currency).

Anarchy will ensue and desperate people will be rioting and stealing all over the country. The Government will then have or be given the authority to act, by the few entities still functioning, and IT WILL.

Martial law will be declared Nation wide and NO ONE whether they are prepared or not will be exempt. In fact, those prepared will be targets and they will find themselves facing overwhelming force surrounding them one by one. No one will have enough firepower or organization to remain unaffected or be left alive.

Sorry for the gloom but I just watched a video presentation by Ann Barnhardt about how we got here and where it will end. (goto barnhardt.biz to view. it's about 2 1/2 hour presentation divided into 6 segments so you can skip anything you already think you know.)

the only real question, is WHEN will it happen. The time is uncertain but from what I as a layman can see, I would guess less than 10 years. During that time, you can bet that any administration in the US is going to be creating systems and developing protocols for dealing with that collapse.

The people will be the target.Those that are ignorant and react emotionally will be shot or herded into enclaves where they can more easily be controlled (and where they can be slowly and efficiently liquidated out of sight). Those that are not and prepare will be sought and engaged militarily all possessions and preparation property will be seized (for the greater good) and the owners sent to the enclaves. Those that fight will be murdered.

All Totalitarian governments have eventually engaged in war against the people they have taken charge of. Every. One.

Anyone who thinks it can't happen here needs to open their eyes to the huge financial poison pills we've swallowed. The financial collapse (whether you want to believe it was engineered or just happenstance) will be the reason (as it has been in the past. read your history of russia and germany) for the initial takeover.

From there it will be like it's written in stone for anyone to see the next step or steps.

May God have mercy on our souls.

400

I'm tonr between giving them what they voted for, and refusing to raise the debt ceiling. 

 

The thing I would want to focus on is voter ID though.  It makes me sick how they gleefully rob me of my vote.

401

tonr=torn

 

402 Maybe they should have called it Operation SHAM-YOU intstead. I hate that this is giving orcas everywhere a bad name. Are we sure ORCA wasn't a part of Obama's campaign. After all orcas are black and white as well.

403 What if those that stayed home, reached the LET IT BURN stage 4 years early? Could be as little as 8 months early. Mitt was not locked in until 6 months ago or so.

404 "What if those that stayed home, reached the LET IT BURN stage 4 years early?"


Pfft, latecomers!

405 I'm firmly in the "let it burn" camp. I'm going to change my registration to Dem and actively support all Dem legislation. The kookier the better.

406

All Totalitarian governments have eventually engaged in war against the people they have taken charge of. Every. One.

___

Unless a hostile foreign government gets to us first. And with the current weak regime in power, I do see that as a distinct possiblity.

 

The only weak link I see in the chain of your scenario, besides the fact that we could be attacked from without, rather than within...

is that the very people who would be armed and prepared for an assault by a totalitarian government are also those in the producer class. If the totalitarians get rid of the makers, how will the takers continue to exist?

 

407 I'm game for a combination of stuff. Face it - w/o an insane growth of the economy for a long time, the only thing they are going to be able to do is inflate the way out of the debt. We probably can handle it - the O-bots cannot. We need to point out why prices are rising. When cigs go about $10 a path, gas goes to $8-9, and alcohol goes up, not even dems can explain that away. Also, let the Dems raise taxes but let ALL the tax cuts go away - poor people will see that free check go away every year. Point out to young people why they now can't have a job and how the Dems are robbing their (and our) future. Start talking to hispanic and black groups (churches, communities, etc.) and bring the ones we can into the tent. Can't save the welfare queens, but start with the middle class - they should be receptive to our cause. Last, as a party, including the states, we need to nip the voter fraud NOW. It may not be stuffing the ballots, and it may not have been 3 M worth, but I'm damn sure they are still doing the absentee ballot fraud ala Acorn. If we can't stop that, we won't have a chance.

408 Mark Steyn's analysis of America's post-election fall in my sock. (Also via Kate at Small Dead Animals.)

409 >> wrt the poll, you need to re-examine your strategy and tactics(even if you don't re-examine your premises and political philosophy). That option's not listed.
 
Warren, as I understand it you have banned from here and choose to continue to post. I saw in the thread above that you served as a Marine so I'll give you the courtesy of an answer.
 
The New Party option on the poll was my shorthanded attempt to describe exactly what you said.  The poll place doesn't allow long winded choices.
 
Truman, actively taking over the party would make it in essence a new Party, no? Besides, the Tea Party tried for it and just got co-opted. Now Boehner is making fun of the Tea Party Caucus. No lie. I saw that over at HA (or maybe Breitbart) as a regular post yesterday.

410 #403 Who in our primaries would have won?

411 I don't want to see things completely burn, because as much shite as we talk about, we don't want to go through an Argentina.

412 kallisto at November 10, 2012 10:29 AM (jm/9g)

Remember those enclaves I spoke of?

Not all will be liquidated. Just those that won't cooperate.

How do you think china set up all their government owned factories?

you're still thinking in terms of the normal process of a capitalist financial and production system where investors invest and profit is made.

These enclaves will make what ever goods are required for the existence of the state. The existence of those in the enclaves will be provided for by the state (as it does to many now). the requirements for those in the enclaves for material goods and shelter and health care will be joining a collective as a worker.

all political power comes from the barrel of a gun and all wealth comes from a human beings labor.

It will be slavery in most aspects except the chains. (for some even the chains will be used. they may be electric or even chemical but they will be chains nonetheless.)

413 Secede. Let THEM burn.

414 The thing that I find most frustrating is that they keep saying "We didn't think Obama would get his base out to vote like he did in 2008."  Now granted, I thought that as well, but if you're putting together a strategy, YOU CAN'T ASSUME ANYTHING!!!  When you start making assumptions you get yourself into a whole lot of trouble.

Also, these reports of Romney getting less of the Mormon vote than Bush did, didn't they say they were cutting out states from exit polling to save money and one of those states was Utah?  I don't know how much faith I have in those numbers.

415 not voting is a vote for the winner..... Fucking dumb. As in not smart.

416 kallisto at November 10, 2012 10:29 AM (jm/9g)

Yeah it's going to come as a shock to many of a certain ethnicity that what they've signed on for has lead them to their original state in this country 250 years ago.

The "takers" won't be taking from the state anymore. Only those worthy of the states largesse will remain alive. They are worthy now of the states' largesse because the state needs their votes. Once the state has what it wants, then the takers are no longer needed for their vote and they will be required to show their worthiness in other ways.

In a way it will be poetic justice for them but too bad about the collateral damage to get to that point.

417 Competence? We don't need no stinkin' competence!

418 288 Do we govern by the Bible or do we govern according to the Constitution? They are NOT the same thing. You cannot have freedom in a Theocracy. Just ask the Iranians about that. Nice try though. ------------- You still don't get it, do you?

419 I don't blame this on anyone but the electorate.  If Republicans or disillusioned Democrats or Independents didn't vote, then it's their fault.  As citizens, it is our duty and responsibility to inform ourselves about the candidates and vote.  That is not the country we have anymore.  We have a citizenry that wants the government to give them free stuff.  Period. 

Nothing will change until people change.   And people won't change unless they are adversely affected by  the  people in power. 

I'm in the  "let it burn"  camp.  Raise taxes, open the borders, take money from   the  rich.  Pile up regulations on business.   Have the government spend, spend, spend.  I'm doing research to see what kind of benefits I can get from the government.  I'm going to apply for as many things as I can.  The sooner it all crashes, the sooner we can rebuild it.

Plus, I'll be cutting back on my spending.  I definitely won't willingly support  businesses run by liberals.

420

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 10, 2012 10:36 AM (SP4jC)

___

 

To date, totalitarian states have seized power in nations that were not built on the basis of sovereign citizens enjoying liberty that is a natural effect of our God-given inalienable rights. Those of us who still subscribe to that quaint notion will not come out of a violent takeover scenario alive, IMO.

We will kill our families first, and then ourselves, Masada style.

 

Give me liberty or give me death.

 

If the totalitarian ruling class wants to enslave the useful idiots that applauded and idolized them all the way to the crisis, it'll be no skin off my nose.

421

Haven't done my homework on Orca yet, so this is firing from the hip. But wasn't Romney supposed to be the master of the universe guy who knew how to make businesses work, was able to fix broken companies, could run large organizations, and would bring some of the efficiency of the private sector to government?

 

So WTF with ORCA?

 

Just sayin'

422 "If the totalitarians get rid of the makers, how will the takers continue to exist?"

We're the wrong kind of makers.  Marxists want Proletariat makers, not Bourgeois makers.

Many people would probably be surprised to learn that the notion "He who will not work shall not eat." is considered the guiding dictate of Communism.  If you were fifteen minutes late three times in one month under Stalin, your ass went to a fucking gulag because you were a 'wrecker.'

So what about the layabouts?  Why are Marxists now paying people to not work?

Because they want to destroy the Capitalist system.  They are building a large mob of able-bodied people who want free stuff and will break things when the system can't deliver.

Once the system is replaced, everybody will be expected to go to the factory in gray overalls.  Hey, you got no choice at that point.  You gotta eat, so you gotta work.

423 Plus, I'll be cutting back on my spending. I definitely won't willingly support businesses run by liberals.

Posted by: Marmo at November 10, 2012 10:44 AM (pcgW1)

I'm in the same camp. And corporation/store/business that supports liberals or liberal causes won't get a penny from me.

424 Secession has it's own pitfalls. Even granting that the process could be done with out too much bloodshed, what do you think would happen to those areas that are deficient in certain resources necessary for survival or viability?

Secession would open the US to physical occupation by foreign powers. They may even be invited in by those currently occupying those areas as a means of protection or survival.

Anyone think that SF would balk at asking the Japanese or Chinese or more likely the UN for assistance if the Midwest seceded? Or the Northeast from Russia or Germany the UN?

As a nation all our parts have their function. At least some of what one area provides is limited or nonexistent in the others. This would result in economic wars and each secessionary state would wind up with totalitarian/socialist states in order to survive.

Some areas may even survive for a while with most freedoms intact but at a cost of blood and those will most likely be in areas that no one really wants to bother about. AT THAT TIME.

Secession is the worst of our choices. Actual civil war is the best that can be hoped for and that's only if the Federal Government is unable or unwilling to exert the force necessary at the beginning to ensure that no area has enough power or material to sustain themselves separate from the Federal Government.

the Federal Gov't may even be the first to bring in foreign troops to quell any disturbances.

425 What is really sad is the need for GOTV and ORCA to begin with.

426 How do you feel about businesses with illegals? Who would you even call for results? I really worry about my 15, and 18 year olds' futures.

427 So, a poll that includes every option but the critical one: Shift focus to the culture that produces these results, reinforcing and renewing the values that make a thriving Republic and economy possible, and putting paid to those that hobble and destroy them. Yeah. That says all I need to know. Sorry, but there is presently no political solution. It's like trying to reinforce the structure when the foundations are shot. In fact...it's exactly what it is.

428 Los Angeles is hoping to persuade people to become vegetarian – at least one day per week. Under a resolution unanimously approved by the city council this week, all future Mondays in the City of Angels have been declared "Meatless Mondays."

It's part of an international campaign to cut down on meat consumption for health and environmental reasons.

Her motion posted 12-0 in a council session Friday.

Reyes said it is easy for individuals to feel helpless in the face of issues as big as global warming or the obesity epidemic, "but the small changes we make every day can have a tremendous impact. That's why this 'Meatless Monday' resolution is important. Together we can better our health, the animals and the environment, one plate at a time.''

But it's the social conservatives who are telling people how to live

429 397 Truman north,

Poppin' Fresh and Ace don't like the only answer I have.

if it is okay for the Philly donks to throw the GOP out and magically get 108%+ turnout we need to play the same game everywhere the REed is over blue.

Fuck it no mercy by any means necessary who's with me?

Yeah exactly I'm awful lonely all the sudden.

Let it burn show me barry.

430 "But it's the social conservatives who are telling people how to live

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 10, 2012 10:54 AM (MV5oi)"

Well I don't agree when the left does it either.

(However, I will forget about this and continue to rail against social conservatives, because I don't hate it when the government controls people.  I hate religion.)

431 429-much more smart

432 385 Bevel,

sorry was not trying to be overly cryptic I was hard on the Akin thing and was a lot harder on the Socons who tried to defend him than I was comfortable with.

Now the screw SoCons want to blame SoCon?

Nope no way in hell the only group of people I know who turned out hard for certain were the SoCons.

I still am pissed at Akin and here in indiana Mourdock but we as a party either need to decide whether to make the mules own late term hard every time it is brought up or let it go.

Akin and Mourdock make more sense on abortion than barack Broom Closet Babies Obama but I fear as a nation we are at peace with the baby butchery.

If so we deserve all we get.

433 nip at November 10, 2012 10:53 AM (11Tdq)

Teach them basic survival skills, how to reason out a problem, Mathematics, language skills, physical exercise, basic health and first aid.

help them find a sport or hobby that they enjoy that also improves their abilities and makes them feel worthwhile and self reliant.

have them learn at least one skill  in what used to be called industrial arts: machining, wood working, carpentry, repair, plumbing, engine mechanic, electrician.

434 425 What is really sad is the need for GOTV and ORCA to begin with.

Posted by: Soona at November 10, 2012 10:52 AM (h8o92)

Obama ran a campaign to actively suppress votes. It's a constant war.

435 Yes, the redstate article is devastating.

Enough with the gurus!

What the GOP should be doing now is analyzing why the 2M didn't vote. Maybe it was that Romney took the advice of the gurus and let the Bain plutocrats attacks go unanswered for months? Just a thought.

They should also go out and get involved in middle and working class activities in the population. Obama voters are afraid of Repubs, as I've said before.

436 399 JCW,

Yup....so let it burn make it fall inward before Fuckstick is ready.

Fuck them I hate you democrats.

437 From Zerohedge:


Foodstamps Surge By Most In One Year To New All Time Record, In Delayed Release

This time the USDA delayed its release nine days past the semi-official deadline, far past the election, and until Friday night to report August foodstamp data. One glance at the number reveals why: at 47.1 million, this was not only a new all time record, but the monthly increase of 420,947 from July was the biggest monthly increase in one year.

http://tinyurl.com/atcllxg

438 Looks like Yahoo is now going to start pushing the immigration theme.  Running stories about extreme exceptions to the rule about how immigrants came here and struck it rich.



Expect much, much more bullshit like this in the coming months. 



Thanks Boner!  And thanks to you Reason fucktards who think  there just couldn't be ANY downside whatsoever to open borders.

439 Govt shutdown and use whatever means necessary/possible to block his crappy appointments. Stop worrying about optics.

440 Foodstamps Surge By Most In One Year To New All Time Record, In Delayed Release


This time the USDA delayed its release nine days past the semi-official
deadline, far past the election, and until Friday night to report August
foodstamp data. One glance at the number reveals why: at 47.1 million, this was not only a new all time record, but the monthly increase of 420,947 from July was the biggest monthly increase in one year.




http://tinyurl.com/atcllxg

Posted by: Tami at November 10, 2012 11:01 AM (X6akg)

No politics there. Delay reports on foodstamps, Iranian attacks on drones, cooked employment numbers. Welcome to the Banana Republic of America

441 433-Thanks Duder. Good news is we think alike. I just feel not enough period. I worry. I worry more after election. I have raised them for the old America. I should have focused on: fuck your buddy, lie to get ahead, half-truth is your friend, work is for suckers.

442 I got a match. Someone bring some gas. Hey, granny in the Michael Moore ad: watch me burn this mother fucker down, bitch!

443 409 GnuBreed,

Nice try Boehner never made fun of the Tea party he said there is "no caucus" b/c they were responsible for the GOP having the majority period.

It's bad enough it is natural for the coming self-flagellation but allowing Tepid and breitbart to mislead on Boehner to accelerate it is just voluntary stupidity.

I am rapidly getting to the "okay so what keep on going" phase.

The GOp shows defitively that the "PureCon tea party" wants to ratfuck the GOP main body I quit.

444 "Akin and Mourdock make more sense on abortion than barack Broom Closet Babies Obama but I fear as a nation we are at peace with the baby butchery.

If so we deserve all we get."


I agree with this.


If we as a nation are willing to accept prosperity while babies get murdered, fuck it.  We aren't worth a damn thing.


What we should have done with Akin or Mourdock is to run ads about Barack and late-term abortion, or that fucktard in Connecticut who considers it a baby when it's out of the birth canal.  Show the pictures of late-term abortion.  Show the evil done by guys like Kermit Gosnell.  Make Barry defend his votes on that.  The best defense is a strong, strong offense, not melting away from a guy and saying he did something wrong.


We'd win easily.  Nobody - layabout or no - likes seeing dead babies.  It's inherent in us.  We'd make inroads with women too - women love their children more than anything else.  Seeing a baby hurt or in pain makes all the women I know go nuts.


Instead, we ran away.  We left the field open to attacks, and in so doing let them define us.


Look at how the left handled Granny Warren's faux-Cherokee heritage - they attacked people who brought it up as racist and insensitive.  It worked.


The left defends with attacks.  We surrender the guy to them and say we don't want anything to do with him.

445 As for the ORCA debacle, I'd like to understand what impact it had across the board. I assume the RNC would not run its own GOTV effort when Team Romney had ORCA going. It would be ridiculous to have two lists - calls for Senate/Rep/Governor etc and second calls for POTUS. Can someone confirm this? I'd also like an explanation of the financial mishandling of the campaign. How much did ORCA cost? Who were the beneficiaries? And also WTF was up with the ad buying strategy. I read that Team Romney did its own thing when they made cable ad buys, resulting in each spot being 4-5x more expensive than equivalent Obama spots.

446 I'm just glad Ryan came out of this campaign unscathed. I credit Romney with his posture of dignity and competence, so he did not drag Ryan down with him. But I do not consider Romney a leader in my party and I do not want to see him in national politics again.

447 If so we deserve all we get.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 10, 2012 10:57 AM (LRFds)

There are many socons that suspect or know that what is coming to pass is due to the last 45 years and the murder of 50 million innocents.

We no longer enjoy the blessings of God because we have turned our backs on God and our pride makes us believe we don't need God nor are required to obey God.

God has always pointed out what the consequences will be when a nation takes those actions.

All one needs to do is look at Israel to see how even the Chosen of God will be punished for their sin and pride and their rejection of God.

I've always thought that the US's main reason for existence and continued prosperity was it's help in the recreation and the assistance we gave Israel

( God made a covenant with Abram: "And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing; And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed'" (Genesis 12:1-3))

With Obama and his crypto muslim cabinet and advisors, we have turned our backs on God, on Israel and embraced Satan.

Is it any wonder that our situation is getting worse?

And you atheists can scoff all you want but the truth is the timing of our troubles and the facts of what this administration values and supports cannot be denied. Just that will bring us down let alone any God. We've turned our back on an ally of 40 years and embraced Islam a murderous death cult that was instituted by Satan as a counter to Christianity. (look at the timing)

448

113 - "Right on cue, the libs think businesses are getting revenge for tfg's re-election and obamacare by firing and hiring freezes"

 

Let 'em think that.  Why should they think they get to win at everything?  Let the unemployed think that their victory cost them their livelihood; I want to think of them seething and unable to get the last word.  "He took my job!" "He gggk by jmb!'  "Ee oook mmmr cchhhmm!"

449 424 JCW46,

The Federal government is the source of the coming tyranny not the defense.

Nothing would make me happier than watching the left get their clocks cleaned and killing the idea of the UN superstate once and for all by sending home lots of body bags to "helpers."

It's time to settle accounts and start over if need be.

let it burn then try to leave.

Fuck it.

450 Sadly, Ryan knows the fragile state of our financial system and has either been advised to keep quiet or is an active participant in the coverup of the underlying dangers.

His budget also btw was never a budget that CUT a damn thing. It was a budget of the reduction IN THE RATE OF INCREASE and never cut anything.

Some may say that that would be a start, but I would say it's just smoke and mirrors so as to allow the charade to go on a little longer.

451 Looks like the margin of loss for Mia Love was less than the number of votes drawn by the Libertarian candidate. So I'd like to add a hearty F-U to the Libertarians. The idea that the GOP wants to throw in with these lawless pot-heads (who never accomplish anything positive and are merely spoilers) and toss the so-cons out of the Party is disgusting. And I'm NOT a so-con.

452 450-yep

453

>>Posted by: Y-not at November 10, 2012 11:07 AM (5H6zj)

Good questions all, and I'd like answers myself, but there is no escaping the fact that NONE of this is possible with an honest, cohesive and pervasive media to replace the MFM.

That should be the easiest of solutions for deep pockets like the Kochs an Adelson and the like.

454 GnuBreed
Shut it down!

http://tinyurl.com/b7j69z7

Nicholas Eberstadt about Entitlements: 'Who's Asking for Them and Who's Giving Them Out' [Shock and Awe: Republicans even more than Democrats]

Nicholas Eberstadt is a political economist who holds the Henry Wendt Chair in Political Economy at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI). He is also author of 'A Nation of Takers: America's Entitlement Epidemic'.

Nicholas Eberstadt, details the exponential growth in entitlement spending over the past fifty years. As he notes, in 1960, entitlement payments accounted for well under a third of the federal governmentÂ’s total outlays. Today, entitlement spending accounts for a full two-thirds of the federal budget.

455

Your guys wait until the polls close, then they go through the voting record and fake a signature to go with a pre-stamped mail in ballot and viola! presto chango

 

It's a little extra work but worth it when the alternative is gubberment spending less.

I'm gonna go make me another waitress sammich.

See ya next Holloween boooooyaaaa!

456 I want to get to the bottom of ORCA, but I don't think you can lay all the blame there. 

As an example, I had a friend that works for a prominent and well-funded outside conservative group that had a massive turn out the vote effort in Nevada.  They did all of the traditional get out the vote that had nothing to do with ORCA, and he was saying it was unprecedented and genuinely thought Romney would capture the state.  He's normally very pessimistic and was high up in several successful campaigns around the country, but genuinely thought Romney would win the White House.

Some sort of disconnect happened, and it actually happened on both sides of the aisle.

Usually, the diagnosis is "the base stayed home because x issue wasn't emphasized" but just to flip that around, there's a lot of moderate Republicans that aren't on board with the "700 Club" wing that maybe said "enough!" with Santorum talking about the dangers of birth control andAkin and Mourdock talking about abortion and rape.  I was reading where the gender gap has never been more pronounced in several generations.

If we can't beat a President and Senate with an 8% unemployment rate, that's not a GOTV problem, we have an "issues" problem.

457 Re: Gnubreed's poll -- How come there's no "I have no earthly idea" response?

458 The reasons for this election defeat will be washed away by the facts of financial collapse. I went out with some friends from work last night and noticed people are going about their lives as if nothing is wrong (Maybe they are right; not likely). Folks with whom I work, who are very smart and capable people, spoke about the candidates and the election and the US Debt history much like the dumbass trolls that come here, and much like the drooling twits on TV. We have such an enormous problem of ignorance and perception facing us that only a massive reset will fix it. The result of that fix is our true goal. We should not be working to prevent collapse, it is inevitable. We must work to guide the collapse and the recovery as best we can.

459 "there's a lot of moderate Republicans that aren't on board with the "700 Club" wing that maybe said "enough!" with Santorum talking about the dangers of birth control andAkin and Mourdock talking about abortion and rape."

So they didn't vote for Mitt Romney, mister moderate himself?  What lunacy.

460 I want that poll of stay-at-homes. Maybe Rass will do it.

Great just what we need more Ras fantasy numbers

461

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 10, 2012 10:50 AM (SP4jC)

 

 

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Secession could be achieved with an agreement with mutual defense against foreign adversaries  like a "continental army" so to speak  (I know, I know, just give me a minute).

 

Each side though, would get the chance to live by the types of government they choose.  The  DC governed most likely would choose marxism.  The seceded states the Constitution. 

 

Since it's obvious that a free and industrious people would prosper more, the class warfare types would do what they always do;  covet the prosperity of freedom.  They will use their share of their defense force to take that prosperity.

 

Except now there are defined borders to fight for.  Having a civil war as the physical form of this country  is  right now would  be  nothing but  chaos   because  the enemy wouldn't and couldn't be defined.  We'd be distrusting our next door neighbors and they us.  Bad juju.

 

We're eventually going to have a hot civil war.  This country is way to polarized now.  But I'd rather it be with defined borders and a knowledge of exactly who it is I'm fighting.  In the long run, it would be less bloody than the free-for-all chaos otherwise. 

 

 

462 456 I want to get to the bottom of ORCA, but I don't think you can lay all the blame there. Oh, I agree with you. I can see a bunch of factors, many of which have been mentioned, but I'd say the biggest ones were that the Dems had prepared for FOUR YEARS to run against Romney and had worked the class warfare thing to the hilt. So Mitt started in a big hole and he did not pull himself out of it (as evidenced by the result and the exit polls showing people thought he did not care about them). Mitt should have fought that image sooner, used Ann much more aggressively, and done more things like the Mike Rowe roundtable to show he was listening to real working people. I think he failed to convert his "Economic Expertise" thing into a Kitchen Table Platform. And I personally think he misplayed the tax thing. But if ORCA was a money-sink, and given this ad buy strategy I've read about, he blew the basics on campaigning. Every penny we sent him needed to be used to the maximum effectiveness given O's advantages and that clearly was not the case. So as the days have passed, I'm starting to feel pissed at Team Romney and frustrated that something may of us predicted (class warfare campaign) was not taken seriously by the Party.

463 Pardon me for going all tin foil hat, but I really think this election was stolen on a national level. Manipulating computer voting, flipping votes, etc. If so, then all this talk about "issues", "GOTV" is moot. How do you fight that?

464 Allen West seems to be the only one challenging the election results. I've read that Mia is considering asking for a recount. I think she's waiting for all the votes to come in.

465 ORCA is a symptom, not the disease itself.  The National Republican Party needs drastic reform before the 2014 elections.  The primary structure is broken - we need to limit GOP primaries to registered Republican voters only and to force run-off primary elections if any primary winner wins less than 50% of the vote.  That will be expensive, but it is the best way to find a good, consensus candidate.  Romney became the GOP candidate only because the conservatives split the majority (and conservative vote).  That's why a guy with a ton of money (his and the money bundlers') and with 33% support (and it was often lower) amongst the Party faithful became the GOP standard bearer.  No more.  

466 Without the Media completely in his corner, Obama would never have reached the national stage to start with.  They're going to treat all Dems as saints and all Reps as demons. 

I don't see a way to counter that.  People might laugh at the idea of "President Biden" but I see no way to prevent it.

467 People arguing for secession, a word of advice -

Wait until after Sequestration.

Secession would be a mess.  The red states all have blue cities and the blue states all have red counties.  The red county remnant wouldn't be too happy and the blue cities in seceded states would probably complain as well.

This is a divide between rural/suburban and urban.  How you split that is like splitting the yoke and whites in a scrambled egg.

468 >>We have such an enormous problem of ignorance and perception facing us that only a massive reset will fix it.


That's why an honest brokered media is the quickest solution.
The Cloward and Piven game plan is hanging out there for all to read, complete with contemporary evidence and fans in power.

We know about it but we are a distinct minority due to the machinations of the MFM.

If the idea that the free lunch for moochers is only a temporary ploy, or means to a REAL END maybe even a small percentage of them would get a little healthy fear.

The obliviously busy and overly educated might need a slap across the snout but even they might see the totalitarian state beyond the Finished Line.

469 Something to think about: I'm a registered independent in a divided county in Colorado. I had never voted at my current address. Over the course of the campaign I had at least thirty face to face contacts with BHO campaigners. Most of these were door knocks (three on Election Day, just to make sure I voted.), but they also had canvassers out registering new voters anywhere there was a crowd. At the farmer's market, at high school football games, at the fair, everywhere you looked there were Obama campaigners, and every single one was talking up the president and registering new voters. During all this time, the Romney campaign didn't even bother to contact me. Mitt's downtown office was usually closed, while the Obama staffers worked all night, every night. When Michelle visited, an Obama campaign worker stopped by my house to invite me. When Paul Ryan came to town, the campaign didn't even tell anyone until the day before. Predictably, no one showed up. Now, perhaps Romney was taking my county for granted; it is white, rich, mostly rural and in the middle of natural gas country. However, the GOP needs to re-examine campaign practices and turnout models that lead to these decisions- we not only voted strongly for the president, but kicked out our Republican county commission and traded in our GOP state representative for a Democrat, flipping the state legislature from red to blue. Before Republicans form up the circular firing squad or start "re-inventing" themselves, perhaps they should consider the possibility that it wasn't a bad message or a bad candidate or shifting demographics that lost the campaign, but simply bad analysis, bad modeling and bad tactical decisions, death in the details.

470 You forgot the option where it says to form a private equity fund to raise money to buy up legacy media properties, fire their staffs (some of them with great vigor), and sell the assets for scrap.

471 On ORCA and the Romney campaign... I get the sense that Romney has a lot of money left over from the campaign.  Any chance he can hire some organization analyzing group to do a top to bottom forensic on the whole thing including ORCA.

The more questionable thing is that the RNC doesn't have something like ORCA ready to go for its nominee.  Dem organizations spend all sorts of time developing organizations for the explicit point of synergizing with the campaign.

I always get the feeling that with Republicans a lot of them a "college republicans"... business aping tools who are just trying to climb ahead of the other guy using very shallow rhetoric and tactics.  When we look at these "internal campaign issues" it always seems to get back to these types of people.  Its all about the game playing and not about doing the job... so loyalty is a not a 100% proposition.

Dems probably have similiar traits except if they don't express loyalty to the cause they're punted hard and fast.  Republicans probably don't have to express loyalty to the cause and are much more loyal to themselves and their ladder climbing aspirations.  At best they have to express loyalty to the inner circle if there really is one (and when you see shit like amnesty brought up 10 minutes after the election...)

(That being said, I have talked to a Dem true-believer hack who worked for Hillary in Bill's administration... he expressed a lot of the same ladder-climbing behavior and backstabbing once the campaign was over.  The guy I know is a loyal soldier type... I think that's what makes him resistant to changes despite that he'll express occasional misgivings.  Its politics, this happens.  But if you want to go on why things fail... there you go.)

472  Pardon me for going all tin foil hat, but I really think this election was stolen on a national level. Manipulating computer voting, flipping votes, etc. If so, then all this talk about "issues", "GOTV" is moot. How do you fight that?

Posted by: OCD Con at November 10, 2012 11:26 AM (uUlWl)

 

 

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The more I think about this the more I agree with the fraud side.  There was a reason Holder fought voter ID laws or any of the tweaks states wanted to do to avoid fraud.

 

Allen West's election (non-election) I believe is the tip of the iceberg.  Cleveland is another example.  The military ballot problems were criminal.   I'm sure others will be uncovered as well.

473 The Dems stole the election with voter fraud plain and simple. Republicans can't play nice anymore.

474 So I just checked down the page and see that Team Romney is denying that ORCA failed as massively as it apparently did. Fan-tastic. If the fuck head DOES have money left over, then he is every big a prick as I thought he was in the primary. As depressing as Tuesday was, it's somewhat comforting to be able to return to my baseline state of disliking Romney and being pissed at the GOP bigwigs who backed him.

475 Every four years a million useless Conservative votes are cast in California. These vote are mandate votes. They have no affect on the outcome. The Democrats know those Conservatives are stuck there because they know people can't be move about like soldiers. The Democrats are exploiting faults in election design. They know if they maintain dense and large populations of Democrats in cities, they win most of the time, and soon all of the time. The Democrats have been constructing a Democrat Victory Machine for the last 100 years. It is almost finished.

476 I think the problem relates back to the slate of candidates running for the nomination. Why, given the manifest harm to the country and the palpable weakness of Obama and the Ds (especially after 2010) , did no one of any political skill not compromised by past failure or indiscretions, run? It was, and remains, this country's hour of need and no one of quality stepped up? (Perry did, but promptly blew it by either phoning it in, or scheduling his surgery to coincide with the nomination contest - smart)... with most of the governerships in hand, you'd think someone of competence would have shown up... Why did ROmney, who so ably shanked his primary opponents, turn into a wussy and fail, completely, to fight democrat fire with fire? they'll do anything to win, and Romney seemed that way in the primaries, but immediately turned into a wimp, let the media and democrats define him, ran away from winning issues, and in general acted like he thought he was winning from day one so why rock the boat? maybe the pollsters and consultants were running a big scam on Romney and co - Its still shocking that he managed his campaign so poorly, but i guess if he thought he really was ahead, with the 2010 midterms as the baseline, so there was no need to fight like you're behind... There are two inescapable truths here - one, the Rs really are "the stupid party" (while the Ds are "the evil party"), and the approach they take to elections definitely shows it. Two - people whose natural home is in the R party (whether socons pompously not showing, or libertarians throwing a temper tantrum, or blue collar workers in the private sector who are getting decimated by the Ds war on traditional heavy industries offended because Romney was portrayed as Montgomery Burns deciding to phone it in) are acting like fools, watching the country they were bequeathed turn into Greece with exponentially worse debt, all because they pridefully insist on having it their way. Sure, it would have been nice if the RINOs in charge were more sensitive to the unstable coalition winning R campaigns produce, but at some level you have to compromise and take the lesser of two evils, then work to hold the R president to his promises. Otherwise, we end up with what we've got - a destructive loser of a D president hell bent on ruining this country and well along in his plan to do so. Romney's not 100% on board with this or that, so I'm not voting. Maybe that would not have overcome the obvious problems with the management of Romney's campaign and GOTV effort (which was pathetic), but it could have if the R party was not so infested with 'my way or the highway' fools (how about you get some of what you want, instead?). Great, now you've gotten Obama and Reid with the whip hand over timorous Boehner. Like I said, the "stupid party".

477 "The more I think about this the more I agree with the fraud side. There was a reason Holder fought voter ID laws or any of the tweaks states wanted to do to avoid fraud.

Allen West's election (non-election) I believe is the tip of the iceberg. Cleveland is another example. The military ballot problems were criminal. I'm sure others will be uncovered as well.

Posted by: Soona at November 10, 2012 11:33 AM (H9hVa)"

What we need now is evidence.  There are some strong indicators, but we need more than that.

478 >>Romney's not 100% on board with this or that, so I'm not voting. I haven't seen evidence of that yet (not saying it's not true, just haven't seen it), but what really is true is that Romney did not inspire enough people. Part of that may have been his policy flaws, but part of it was that he did come off as aloof imho.

479 >> Nice try Boehner never made fun of the Tea party he said there is "no caucus" b/c they were responsible for the GOP having the majority period.
 
sven, I didn't read the article, I just saw the title of the article. Since either HA or Breitbart should be 'sympathetic to the cause', I saw no reason to plow into the details. If you say he didn't put down the TP, I believe you. It just hurt my eyes to see a title like that.
 
Mindy, 'I have no earthly idea' is another good choice for a poll possibility.
 
fwiw, I threw that poll together, literally, in 30 minutes this am when the fancy struck me. I guess quite a few M-nMs were hungry for a poll like that and I wish I had done a more thorough job.
 
Over 2000 votes now.

480 The GOP (the old line honchos and elitist insiders) is not an opposition party, it is a supplication party.

Boehner and McConnell inspire nothing but disgust and annoyance.

There needs to be a complete house cleaning or a wrecking ball.

Aside from Allen West, there doesn't seem to be anyone willing to even mention fraud, let alone fight it.

481 477 Bevel,

Why?

He is not getting removed without blood count on it.

They were SCARED he'd lose too I think we beat their margin of fraud right up until joisey buddah's blowjob.

No give them all they wany but the Bill of rights.

Fuck 'em let it burn

482

as an outsider looking in, may I?

the gop has 3 major problems:

1:  you have governors up the ying yang but not all the sec. of states..take the voting process away from from them and have it controlled by a panel selected by the governor.  itll help prevent fraud

2.  in states controlled by rethugican'ts, let the world know as best you can that its your ideas that are helping the economy, not the fed's.  you state helps create 100,000 jobs?  make it obvious its you and not Obama

3.  as I've said here for almost 6 years...CLOSE YOUR FUCKING PRIMARY!!!

483 479 GnuBreed,

The GOp is having all its punditry try to hail mary to get what they want.

HotAir has been wobbly for 18 months.

I have no idea what the hell Breitbart is up to but go read the innards of their headlines they are in fact outright lying on several fronts right now.

The GOp would rather have a civil war at home than gear up to try to prevent or win one with the dems.

That's why I'm saying if the GOP won't form a Phalanx I quit.

484 Elitist Fat Old White Man writing for Zombie Elitist Magazine says;

Newsweek to GOP: 'You're Old, You're White, You're History!'

http://tinyurl.com/apv62r8

Your days are done, GOP white man. In its November issue, Newsweek and writer David Frum want you to know that youÂ’re old, youÂ’re white, and youÂ’re finished.

485 I'm with the camp who has done GOP GOTV before and who is not that suprised to find all these problems. SNAFU is the order of the day on topic and has been forever. I'd like that to change, for sure. Does it have an impact on elections? Yes, on tight elections. We know that the Democrats do have a good GOTV effort. We see it every election, especially in the urban machine areas that they completely dominate. And they run it in full view in these districts, it is quite the operation. Even in those big city elections where they are running essentially unopposed, they've got the conga line of GOTV vans and phone banks going. We know they are good at GOTV, we also know they're good at vote fraud, and also that they've got willing accomplices on the bench and on the election boards, and that they've got an army of pro-bono lawyers at beck-and-call. We know that the only way to win is to win big. The margin of victory has to be large enough to counter all this, or the Democrats win. What happened in 2000 was an extreme outlier that took going up to the Supreme Court to stop the madness. Bar that unusual development, we'd have lost it, too. This past election apparently came down to a margin of 340,000 votes spread across Virginia, Florida and Ohio. It was a squeaker, so we lose. The truly unsettling thing, above all else, is that this election was even close. It should not have been. That it was spells this: Welcome to the Post-Constitutional America. Seriously. 60 million Americans just voted to do that to you. How do you feel about that? About them?

486 451 Y-not and AoS company,

Perhaps Mia Love lost because her region is populated by a lot of relocated Californians.

Not every good candidate wins their first campaign or any subsequent election. Nothing is preventing Mia Love from running again, and winning next round. If she needs a larger coalition of voters, then she must address that in her platform. If she wants Libertarian votes, then campaign on strict constitutional governance, protected Liberty, smaller government, limited spending and low taxes. Did she meet with the Libertarians in advance to see what common ground there was, perhaps prior to a Libertarian candidate running in opposition? It's rare that Libertarians are on the ballot for every office in any given election. Also, ask yourself why should Libertarians sign on to the Republican ticket any more than Republicans should sign on to the Libertarian?

You are wrong to call Libertarians all pot heads, just as it would be wrong to call Republicans all racists, homophobes, hard-core alcoholic elitists and warmongers.

Radio show host Libertarians privacy rights Katheryn Albrecht and former Army nurse Joyce Riley of the Power Hour and nutritional pharmacist Ben Fuchs of the Bright Side prove your premise misguided to say the least. Visit their sites:

http://tinyurl.com/5bphz4
http://tinyurl.com/coa986
http://tinyurl.com/bbbzex

Your bitter irony is in the absurd neoconservative claim to be "Reagan Conservatives." Take his word on that.

"I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer, just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals . . . The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom, and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is."
Ronald Reagan
http://tinyurl.com/b8363a4

487 "So they didn't vote for Mitt Romney, mister moderate himself? What lunacy.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 10, 2012 11:23 AM (uhAkr)"

It's actually starting to crack me up when these fucking idiots come in talking about the "700 Club wing" of the party fucking this all up.  Sorry guys, Akin and Mourdock had nothing to do with FL and VA or really the national stage at all.

So keep on raging against the SoCons who, by all accounts so far, seem to have dragged Mr. Electability as far as he got.  SoCons don't depress Republican turnout.  Think about it by the numbers - if that's true, don't waste your time voting ever again.

Until you ZOMG ANTI-THEOCRACY  folks get some actual evidence to back up your rants, you're just showing your ass.

488 482 NCJ,
Too late. Your side won. Fuck it let it burn.

489 484 KBDaBear,

David Frum would be well served to go home to canuckistan they're wealthier than we are now and freer.

Brooks and frum are about to get nutshot.

490 "Why?

He is not getting removed without blood count on it.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 10, 2012 11:42 AM (LRFds)"

'

If voter fraud happened, there should be a war.  The government is an illegitimate banana republic.

But nobody is going to want that kind of horror without an ass-load of proof.

491 Secession would be a mess. The red states all have blue cities and the blue states all have red counties. The red county remnant wouldn't be too happy and the blue cities in seceded states would probably complain as well.

This is a divide between rural/suburban and urban. How you split that is like splitting the yoke and whites in a scrambled egg.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 10, 2012 11:29 AM (uhAkr)

 

 

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Easily solved.  States like TX, OK, AR, KS, AZ and others would be no-brainers.  Have state referendums.  A mandate, let's say 55% for secession would be enough.  No state will ever be rid of the liberal mind-set.

 

And sucession could mean just a split from the edicts  of DC.  Free commerce could still be exercised with non-seceded states.

 

As far as taxes go, the states collect all taxes  and  state legislatures  give to DC enough to cover national defense, and national infrastructure.  No more.  

 

If DC cuts off the money supply, the seceded states cut off the energy supply.  Then use oil and gas  to back up a new currency.  It could be done. 

492

488  I agree 100%

burn this bitch all the way down

restart from the ashes

493 We've always had large-scale fraud during national elections.  Chicago 1960, for instance.  "Landslide Lyndon" for another.  It is a given. Heck, in 1860, Abraham Lincoln didn't receive a single vote in 10 Democratic states - now that's voter intimidation.  The GOP's big problem is our primary system - the "winner-take all" model where the "winner" gets less than 30% of the primary vote is a loser. If the field is five right-of-center candidates vs. one moderate and then add an "open primary" to the mix, you're going to get a Mitt Romney as your GOP presidential nominee nine times out of ten.

494 The GOP is too far gone to fix itself. One more loss and it is gone for good. Start building a replacement now. You will need it during and after the collapse.

495 Do you know the difference between your opponents and your enemies?

Here is your opponent:

http://www.nytimes.com/

Here is your opponent:

http://www.nbcnews.com/

Your opponent will win sometimes, lose sometimes.

Here is your enemy:

http://theamericanconservative.com/

Your enemy will offer to babysit your children, then sodomize them when you turn your back. Your enemy will always win by using your own efforts to defeat you until you finally remove him from the board.

If you bought advertizing or product from Wick Allison or Ron Unz, if you swapped recipes with Rod Dreher or helped Daniel Larison avoid getting a job for another year, you eagerly volunteered to help elect Barack Obama.

496 487 451 Y-not and AoS company, Perhaps Mia Love lost because her region is populated by a lot of relocated Californians. ----- Yes, it's a blue district. And Matheson is a long-time incumbent from a famous Utah family who also ran as a conservative. Mia was up 12 points in the last poll. So her loss was a surprise. She ran a very Tea Party candidacy. (Actually, I found her a little too stridently TP on some issues.) She lost by <3,000 votes. The Libertarian pulled about 6,000 votes. We have voter ID here so I think it's less likely that she lost b/c of fraud and more likely that she lost b/c of the Libertarian.

497 Ugh, something happened with my post. She lost by roughly 3000 votes. Libertarian pulled roughly 6000 votes.

498

493  ding ding!!!!  winna!!!!

if you run a guy where you say 'I'll hold my nose and vote for him', guess what?

you lost before you began

 

you need someone who will get the base fucking pumped!!!

a perfect example was palin...people wanted to vote for her..not mclame

and there was no way in hell that election was going to won anyway because of the mfm and history!!!!

499 If they can't keep anybody out of California, can they at least keep people in? Those ex-Californians are screwing the pooch all over the West. Nevada and Colorado are gone. Arizona's next.

500 Third party or new GOP, whatever. We're here to help! It's lovely here in DC...

501 Burn the Witch,
 
re the '700 Club group' -- Pat Robertson did run in the Repub primary one year, and got a whopping 5% of the primary vote before crawling back into the hole he crawled out of.
 
And if I've offended anyone by that, sorry, but I cannot stand that slimeball.

502 484 Elitist Fat Old White Man writing for Zombie Elitist Magazine says;  Newsweek to GOP: 'You're Old, You're White, You're History!'

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Until the political tides turn, and the blacks and browns are surely not endearing themselves to the old white guys.

Not very smart.

(and what idiot programmed this user interface that will not let me canel the italics after pasting in italicized text?  Could it be the ORCA crew?  Bwahahaha....)

503 How's it feel, being a "worker"?

504 "Right on cue, the libs think businesses are getting revenge for tfg's re-election and obamacare by firing and hiring freezes"

Let 'em think that. Why should they think they get to win at everything? Let the unemployed think that their victory cost them their livelihood; I want to think of them seething and unable to get the last word. "He took my job!" "He gggk by jmb!' "Ee oook mmmr cchhhmm!"

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at November 10, 2012 11:09 AM (FkH4y)

I've been saying that since Wednesday. Fire anyone who voted for Obozo and let them know they are losing their job because Barry is going to make their cost of running the business skyrocket. It's Obamacare or you and you're SOL. Pound it into their empty skulls that Barry's re-election cost them their job

505 So the italics are gone.  Nice the computer told me that in preview.

506 505

not told me that, that is.

507 503 Cowboy,

I've always been a worker I'll never be a comrade.

508 Need to allow multiple options.

I'd choose the following 3.

Government shutdown -- Ask the House to refuse to up the national debt limit.
Go galt -- Come on, you know you want to.
Cloward Piven -- Sign up for every benefit you can.

That will bring on the let it burn without the GOP having to take credit for increased spending.

509 If they can't keep anybody out of California, can they at least keep people in? Those ex-Californians are screwing the pooch all over the West. Nevada and Colorado are gone. Arizona's next.

Posted by: Cowboy at November 10, 2012 11:56 AM (WcgMM)

 

 

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Yup.  Both the northeast and west coasts are diseased and we should treat them as such.  We'd love to get your businesses  and make you prosperous again  but leave your people behind, please. 

510 I agree that we do need to completely revamp our GOTV - it, along with the city-level voter fraud, probably cost us the election. If you live in red states, contact your governor/legislature to see what can be done about fraud control - i.e. ways to prevent it and prison sentences for those caught. We also need to start organizing boycotting anything that supports the professional left - it's even worse when you lose and you're paying for your demise. There's other long-game things that need to be done, but those are a definitive start.

511 499 If they can't keep anybody out of California, can they at least keep people in? Those ex-Californians are screwing the pooch all over the West. Nevada and Colorado are gone. Arizona's next. Posted by: Cowboy at November 10, 2012 11:56 AM

Move the Border Patrol from San Diego and Caliexico to Lake Havasu, Stateline, Lake Tahoe, and Klamath Falls

512 "I haven't seen evidence of that yet (not saying it's not true, just haven't seen it), but what really is true is that Romney did not inspire enough people. Part of that may have been his policy flaws, but part of it was that he did come off as aloof imho." You're right, his aloofness didn't help, and there was not much that could have been done about that, he is what he is. But I suspect the Paulite boycott (although they're pretty unstable a movement too, some fiscally motivated, others totally anti-war) was real (esp after the convention rule change), with similar weak enthusiasm from other parts of the R coalition, which worsened the longer the nomination fight went on, and the billion in slanderous advertising from team Oblamer... Yeah, I don't have statistics to prove my argument, but I think i'm right. Its like a passenger aircraft crash - there's a whole sequence of failures, which add up to devastation. If one link in the chain of causality was broken, it would be President elect Romney (this chain of screw ups means the heedless rush to appease Hispanics, or this or that, the enemies of the R party are advocating is surely wrong...) Here's what I think the chain links are: - factions that demand complete allegiance or don't show up (the R party can't win without socons, libertarians, strong foreign policy factions, but to the extent one is served completely, the others are offended...how bout we compromise and meet on common ground, and you get something that matters to you? the Ds dont have these problems yet, because they're all about joing together to rape and plunder the spoils of government for their private benefit...) - managerial incompetence (not spotting the effectiveness of the Ds scorched earth slander tactics, not preparing for the coming battle to match the D turn out effort instead of buying into some BS project that steal resources, misdirects labor, etc, like ORCA; not aggressively pushing issues where Obama is weak, but pretending he's just some misguided dope...). - Bush Hangover, RINO incompetence - Tea Party Civil war (the base does not trust the leadership, with good reason, given the spend-a-thon bush years. No one points out that the Ds are 99% responsible for creating and prolonging the great recession, while the Ds have been pointing the finger at the Rs for 5 years now, and less politically involved people now believe the false D version, so despite Obama's endless economic failures, Bush and the Rs get the blame - this will go on until the Rs fight back and if they don't, in 20 years the Ds will still be blaming Bush). - self interested stupidity - why was the primary so weak? Romney (accomplished guy but a blue state moderate with a record of losing elections, perfectly suited for D class warfare attacks), Gingrich (accomplished but unstable, prone to big government fantasies [man on the moon?], big personal problems but not a guy willing to take DMM abuse lying down); Santorum (big governemnt so con, lost PA by a mile, long record of statements the Ds will torque into unelctability, weak on the economy, no managerial experience); Pawlenty (great record, accomplished, lacks drive and a willingness to fight to a win, runs away after one defeat). Perry (hugely successful governor, right on most issues of importance to much of the base, but thought he had it in the bag so no preparation, or hopped up on post surgery meds or discomfort, so his performance sucked).

513 Personally i'm going Cloward Piven and take these chumps for everything i can.

514 I was an owner once briefly, but mostly an employee. That became a dirty word somehow, so they called me an "associate". Now they call me a worker. Connotes the heroism of class struggle, the one THEY voted for. Fine, if class struggle is what they want, if pitting one group of Americans is what turns them on (and it does, they VOTED for it), then they got it. To all Obama voters, even in my family, I've said since Tuesday, "Bite me, you scum." No point playing nice, saying "Aw shucks" and shuffling around with polite smiles. Give them what they want. Workers of the world, unite!

515 re the Libertarians -- They run a candidate every 4 years and have since at least 1980. I don't see how the loss is getting pinned on them in any fashion.
 
But maybe, just maybe, we could have found a way to co-opt them to our side in greater numbers. Like by throwing in a pot plank. Seventeen states now allow medical MJ and 2 now have full legalization, with Alaska also allowing people to grow it in their homes.
 
Full disclosure -- I don't smoke the stuff.

516 I fought Mitt Romney all through the Primaries, but promised I would vote for him in the Fall. ABO, as we said. I kept my promise. How many of folks out there did not make that promise or did not keep it? It seems the GOP is a mix of ABO and ABR, with the R standing for either Romney or RINO. The standard line is a Reagan will scare off the Independents. Maybe we have been tricked into believing that.

517 Allahpundit has a post up in the green room on Hot Air about Patreus and Bangswell. This thing is getting weirder if that's possible. It sounds like she is a psychostalker of the Glenn Close/ Fatal Attraction variety. Can't we talk about that instead of ORCA? Btw, what a dumbass name ORCA is? We should have all known that the GOTV would be a big whale of a fail with a name that stupid.

518

512  another problem is the gop is scared of being called racist.

The SARAH!!! is the only one in a speech who actually came out and said such

 

lets be real, you're not getting the black vote or the majority of the latino vote...not happening..sorry, racism lives

 

also, on scare tactics?  use them!!!!  hey granny, guess what?  you vote for the idiots in charge and you're going to eat cat food.  think before you vote

 

that shit works

519 515 re the Libertarians -- They run a candidate every 4 years and have since at least 1980. I don't see how the loss is getting pinned on them in any fashion.

But maybe, just maybe, we could have found a way to co-opt them to our side in greater numbers. Like by throwing in a pot plank.

I doubt it, put the weed plank in and they'll still scream that R's are neocon warmongers and Jesus freaks. L's aren't really a small government party anymore, they're a left wing social issues party, doubt there's anything R's could to get their vote outside of becoming democrats.

520 And those advocating burning it all down - think about what you asking for. Read up on other countries that went over the edge and what happened there in the aftermath (i mentioned Argentina earlier). It's one thing to make people feel the pain and learn that leftist shite doesnt work, but I sure don't want to go through the hell that comes after collapse - anarchy and roving gangs. Imagine that on a scale of a country with 300M people.

521

oh, for the record I am still a palinista but you know who should run next time?

ALLEN "I'LL FUCK YOU UP!!" WEST

522 Even if we win the House, Senate, and WH in 2016, we can't stop the collapse. We must break the Democrat Machine. To do so we must not fight the collapse. It is our ally.

523 >> Need to allow multiple options.
 
Flounder, that poll place did have that option. With all the suggestions I've gotten for other options, when I do this again in a month or so I'll probably allow multiple picks.
 
One thing is for sure, there's lots of anger at the status quo based on the results. One thing I'm surprised is that how few people weren't mostly interested in just dropping out of politics entirely (the SMOD option as I called it).
 
PS the football thread is up.

524 Posted by: specialkayel at November 10, 2012 12:12 PM (HP6sa) It will happen anyway. Why fight it?

525 #423 
I'm in the same camp. And corporation/store/business that supports liberals or liberal causes won't get a penny from me.

Is there a list of anyh kind?

Ace - will you post it if so?

526

oh, something to remember

next election you're going up against HILLARY

bring some weak ass candidate and she will eat you up

you're back against the mfm and history!!!

527 All this hate for America is not very becoming. Maybe it's still too close to the election and tempers are raw.

528 #515 "re the Libertarians -- They run a candidate every 4 years and have since at least 1980. I don't see how the loss is getting pinned on them in any fashion. But maybe, just maybe, we could have found a way to co-opt them to our side in greater numbers. Like by throwing in a pot plank. Seventeen states now allow medical MJ and 2 now have full legalization, with Alaska also allowing people to grow it in their homes." You win them over without offending so-cons by having the Fed government respect the 10th amendment, and leave the issue to the states. Removing the huge drain on federal resources to fund this part of the war on drugs, will also bring on board the fiscal conservatives and libertarians concerned about the size of government Why that's not in the republican platform, I don't know. I guess there's a law and order faction against it, but I think they'd be OK with it too if they bothered to think about it. Its not like the Ds can credibly run to the right on the issue, and they're not going to co-opt it because it means shrinking the federal government...

529 >> ALLEN "I'LL FUCK YOU UP!!" WEST
 
ncj, lol. I had Empire of Jeff for President yesterday, with the slogan
 
"Vote for me or I'll fuck you up"

530 Is Mitt fighting the fraud? Has Mitt mentioned fraud? Mitt is not a leader. He is a consensus builder with judgement for business.

531

524  fight it?  FORCE IT!!!

ask ten random people on the street who is paul ryan and who is honey boo boo and see who can recognize the names

our country is fucked right now, our kids want shit, not want to earn shit

 

fuck it, burn

532

529  I need a slogan for my run

i'm want to run with 'vote for joe cause the other choice just sucks'

533 Wasn't Orca the name of the boat in the original Jaws movie that the shark swallows nearly whole? Maybe it was the right name after all.

534 What did Ace know and when did he know it?

And yes Orca was the name of Quint's boat.

We need to purge the RINOs and these asshat consultants who think conservatives (of all stripes) are the problem.
We now know that its not our principles. We now know that fraud and media malfeasance were major factors. (We knew all along, but apparently our vaunted republican leadership didn't).
We need Palin, Breitbart, and Newt types who aren't afraid of the media and willing to take the fight to them.

535 eman - on mobile phone so can't figure out how to quote lol. I agree - $16 Trillion (soon to be $20T) is probably too much to overcome. Maybe we can, probably we can't. We still have to try though - have to show how Dem's are stealing people's futures. If it takes going through 10th Amendment routes to tell DC to piss off, then so be it. I just want to make every effort we can not to let it burn. Also, don't forget - if we fall, our economy brings down the entire world. I'm still young, want to get married, have kids, etc. - can't do that if the country/world is in complete anarchy.

536 "All this hate for America is not very becoming. Maybe it's still too close to the election and tempers are raw.

Posted by: Jordan at November 10, 2012 12:17 PM (jRfn3)"

It's not hate for America.  It's being pissed at what has happened to it.

We're angry because we are watching something we love commit suicide in its own stupidity.

537 Peacefully grant the State of Texas to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government. The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.

538 Anon - you are absolutely correct. We need to get an overall list of leftist-supporting organisations and never spend a dime on them ever again. How can we get Ace or another blog to get that rolling? Maybe MM's site?

539 Who cares?

The thing we should be analyzing is why it was close enough to care about GOTV in the first place. But the answer to that is too painful so we're gonna jerk off on ORCA for months now.

Please leave teh stupid to the GOP. They've got it down.

540 Oh and also, Hispanics. Our 2016 strategy should center around amnesty and better IT efforts. FTW.

541 "All this hate for America is not very becoming. Maybe it's still too close to the election and tempers are raw.

Posted by: Jordan at November 10, 2012 12:17 PM (jRfn3)




It's not hate for America, it's hate for the bastards who hate America and vote for anti-American assholes like Barry or don't care or sat at home and didn't vote against Barry

542 We have Governors in many of the swing states yet we're still getting 100+% turnout from some counties?! The GOP is truly the stupid party if they can't even install their own precinct chiefs.

543 And those advocating burning it all down - think about what you asking for. Read up on other countries that went over the edge and what happened there in the aftermath (i mentioned Argentina earlier). It's one thing to make people feel the pain and learn that leftist shite doesnt work, but I sure don't want to go through the hell that comes after collapse - anarchy and roving gangs. Imagine that on a scale of a country with 300M people.

Posted by: specialkayel at November 10, 2012 12:12 PM (HP6sa)

 

 

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I would suggest, then, moving to a red state.  We're  going to be the calm in the storm.  The problem is going to be in the blue states when they don't have any more free shit to give.  The burning will come.  Oh, yes.  But the red states will be relatively peaceful, except from the spillover from the blue states.   And for that reason is  why we like guns.

544 And this is just more proof that we're the stupid party. Like we needed anymore.

545 I think the Boehner tax compromise should be along these lines: Push for base broadening, which means exclusions and deductions disappear, drop rates slightly, so there is a slight tax increase (target the ultra-rich - they're for Obama anyways). Target all those 'green' tax giveaways in the IRC, Obama will defend them because he added most of them, but they're a huge distortion to our economy and if the base is to be broadened, they need to go... Target the Hollywood tax breaks. It only supports evil, and they do their best to vote and support the D socialists, so let them live with what they advocate, instead of the Rs spending political capital defending them. Same with the Wall St crew - they're all in with Big Government, some for the fees from bond issues, others because they're so loaded from borrowing at the Fed at next to 0% or crooked games Holder won't prosecute - they give big $ to the Ds (who take care of them as above), and assume the Rs will always defend them on principle. Not a good deal for the Rs, let these douchebags experience D governance (too bad it also screws main-street if its not done in a targeted way, but maybe Boehner can get Keystone reopened...). Nearly all of the top income areas of the country went D, by a hugh margin. I hate to give Obama a victory, and raising taxes is a bad idea with such a weak Obamanomics economy, but if we could get some pro-growth base broadening and small business tax relief, with say those earning over 1 mil per annum hit with a slight rate increase and base broadening that causes them to rethink their D support, but is pro-growth overall, its a victory. i',m not holding my breath...

546 We're all passengers on the ORCA now surrounded by sharks in the water. This ships going down. How damn depressing this all is. Where's the damn Coast Guard? I hate Richard. Dreyfuss too.

547 Posted by: specialkayel at November 10, 2012 12:31 PM (HP6sa) You can't stop it. The American People can not and will not face the truth until it knocks them on their ass. You want to have a future? Good. Stop day dreaming.

548 Posted by: fark, farkety, fark fark fark at November 10, 2012 12:44 PM (bT79U) HA! Reform the tax code? Seriously? Damn. We have been reforming the tax code for 100 years. Here is the only good reform to the Federal Income Tax: get rid of it.

549 I want to cry.

550 549 I want to cry.

I know exactly how you feel. I am so depressed I've cut down on all of my political blogs, don't watch the news, and kind of secretly hate lots of people I know.

Mayan Apocalypse/ SMOD can't come soon enough for me.

551 In other news, it can be confirmed that General Patreus did indeed have sex under his desk.

552 That's right, its almost 100 years now, since the Revenue Act of 1913...another progressive idiocy.... I'd love to get rid of the income tax. BUt that means shrinking the federal government to what it was in 1900, when it was funded by excise taxes and duties, and as much as I'd love to abolish whole federal departments (HUD, education, commerce, all the other progressive money pits that do more harm than good) and return the money to the states, it ain't gonna happen soon... Something has to be done - the Bush tax cut extension is over at the end of the year, Obama can let it expire and the Clinton rates return (you can thank McCain and crew for the Bush cuts not being permanent...talk about shooting yourself in the foot). If Obama gets his way, rate increases across the board, no serious base broadening, the collapse will be here all the sooner. Although we have not in any real way recovered from the great recession, we will decline substantially if we have tax reform that Obama the progressive radical wants - a return to the pre-1984, or even 1964 rates (i.e., 91% top marginal rate...). He has not governend in the last 4 years like a person who cares about the human cost of his programs, he's a rigid ideologue, who only compromises when absolutely forced, so Boehner's got his work cut out for him. I say he puts forward a public plan that broadens the base by cutting deductions and exclusions, especially the green ones, and cuts rates overall (but less so for the ultra high incomes, say 1mil and above, so they end up with a net slight increase, when the base broadening is considered). Obama gets his tax increase, but the deficit is reduced, there is less distortion and the uncertainty that's been hurting for 4 years is reduced, and the dopes that vote D get to experience what the Ds really want without the Rs protecting them... If Boehner can couple that with a Keystone approval, its a victory for pro-growth economics. Not that it would be sufficient the coming regulatory armaggeddon from Obama, but it would help a little.

553 Total meltdown might be the only option at this point. If a Democrat incumbent can get re-elected with all the metrics working against him, the institutions that party has locked down - media, academia, unions - make up an obstacle too formidable for anyone to overcome by peaceful means. After the collapse, the country will either right itself - which will most likely take a generation or more - or it will simply become another second or third rate player in the world.

In any case, it's evident this will get much, much worse.

554 I'm retiring at the end of the year. America has rough days coming. My advice is to limit as many responsibilities as possible and live simply. Enjoy the simple pleasures of family, friends, and health. It's not about "stuff". This also has the positive effect of "starving the beast".

555 Has anyone here had sex under a desk? How would that work anyway? Wouldn't it be kinda cramped? It doesn't sound like it would be very good.

556 Son of Liberty (SOL - apropos for the times, right?) that's good advice. Critical examination of what's necessary and what isn't and adjust accordingly. Get rid of the cable TV, stop going out for meals are two simple adjustments everyone could make that would hasten the disaster and place it squarely in the laps of the adolescents we've elected.

557 re: "Why that's not in the republican platform, I don't know." ("that" being a 10th Amendment/quasi-libertarian approach to drug-war stuff)

Since it's a prominent issue lately, there's been a lot of polling about that, and the rub is this: It would net *many* more male votes and *many* fewer female votes. It might be a winning net, but the GOP doesn't want it. "Demographic reality," etc. Imagine what the TV would say!

The reason Democrats, despite their occasionally decrying it as wasteful/racist/etc., never do anything to reduce federal drug-enforcement power (and tend to increase *displays* of that power), is because the Dems' statistically most important constituency—women of all races—are really intensely pro-drug-war.

The GOP is in a similar quandary. The "socons" are women, mostly, and the party seems to need them.

So, oh well.

558 I get on top of the desk. But, why the hell under?

559 The house should give Dems everything they want. That way, when the economy collapses, which it will, the media has no one to blame but the Dems.  I can just picture the Republicans getting the blame, when the economy collapses, if the House offers any kind of obstructionism. The economy WILL collapse, it's basic math.  When that happens Republicans will be unfairly blamed by the media unless we give them everything they want.

560 How many people bitching about "the GOP" have actually become members of their county committee?  Rather than bitching about it and thinking "someone should do something" and talking about doing this or that, what you might try FIRST is to actually engage with the GOP at your county level and get others to do the same.  You can sit there and complain about the direction in which it is going or what it did this or that OR you can become part of the solution.   Find your local county GOP committee.  It probably has a web site.  Become an official paying member of the committee.  My county dues are $35 a year.  GO to events.  Get involved, volunteer.  Make it what you want to see it become.  Don't put on your tinfoil hat and go in their ranting and raving, though.  First, listen.  Talk to people.  This is serious business, folks.

561 You know, we now have 30 republican governors. They must push through voting reforms and union busting measures. And don't forget many states passed voter id laws, but judges ruled they wouldn't count for this year's elections, but would for future elections.

562

Just got back from a few errands and mailing out my "Denial of donation" slips.

Filled out the form stating all future donation requests should be fowarded to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Used whenever I could their prepaid postage envelope.

Refused to put a stamp on the others.

But since the return address says My Daddy Barack, Washington DC.

I wonder what the post office will do with these?

563 Anon at November 10, 2012 11:58 AM (fh3lh)

On the comment menu bar all the way to the right is a less than = more than symbol (not equal in some quarters)

click this and you can directly edit the html that you have pasted in your comment. click apply click ok and you're back to the comment box.

NOW you can format to the minimal level we are allowed.

bon apetit

564 I don't see the "all of the above" option.

565 Canada and Sweden are two socialist countries who saw their collapse coming and reformed.

We should study how they did it and be ready. You can be sure George Soros and the Obamas are doing just that.

566 I'm doing a combination of several of the poll questions so I didn't answer.

1. I don't care what the GOP does. I'm pretty much done with voting. I'll pick it up again on the other side.

2. SMOD - I will continue to fantasize about a post-apocalyptic reality where I am a free man struggling to survive in a world populated mainly by curvy women.

3. Let it burn - I will not try to fight against the Free Shit Army. They won. Let them suffer the consequences. See #4.

4. Government Shutdown - This isn't at all incompatible with letting it burn. It should be a part of the Let It Burn strategy. If fact it will hasten the burning. The question is: Do you want to be blamed for it happening now or later? It happens either way.

5. I will continue to go Galt, sort of. I am withdrawing as much as possible from the Progressive State. But I will not be living under a bridge or in a hobo camp. I will be supporting parallel systems based on voluntary cooperation and liberty. I am already engaged in parallel systems for health, education, and income, and I will continue to focus on supporting those systems that will hasten the end of the Progressive State and become the mainstream systems in the era after.

6. Cloward-Piven - I will engage in this strategy selectively when it doesn't require any calories burned on my end. Anything to hasten the inevitable.

7. Form a new party - I think it's much too early for that. A new party will form (or come to power if it already exists) if and when there is a demand.

567

"Dude, once the GOP stops pandering to a contituency that wants to use
the coercive force of government to impose a morality based on religious
teachings, they will be more than a viable party."

Sentiments like these are the biggest load of bunk'em. They are learned in faculty lounges and aped by their stooges. Look around at where the coercive force of government has injected itself in you life over the past 30 years. What kind of lightbulb can you buy? How did that bureaucrat get there, between you and your doctor? Who just took over the entire school loan industry? Who is running a war on salt, soda-pop, transfats? Who designed that school lunch your kid won't eat? Why is there 40% ethanol in your overpriced gasoline, which comes in a maddening array of mandated seasonal blends, while the silos for livestock forage lie empty? Who has it been calling for new bans on every day that they aren't calling for new mandates? It has NOT been social conservatives. No, it has been another group who is seeking to impose its own vision of America, how life is lived in America, how business is done in America, and dictating what relationships and new dependencies Americans are to have with their government. And they are doing so according to a certain eschatology and morality, ie., with religous verve and bent.

568

Reading comments and thinking.  What if  the dems  in congress start demanding Choomboy  start tacking  to the  right. 

 

Okay.  Daydream over.

569 Where is "separate the sane states from the union?"

570 There are third world dictatorships that have less voter fraud than the US.  How could the republicans ever win again with the anything goes attitude.  Same day registration with no ID?  Absentee ballots going to third party addresses?  WTF do you expect?

571 Just for fun, go apply for food stamps online. You can make up a name and go through the process to get an estimate.

For my fictitious person: with Social Security and a pension, and $50,000 in savings, low monthly expenses. I still would be eligible for $175 per month!

Wonder why we're broke?

Oh, and the first screen redirects you to register to vote. IOW you want the food stamps, vote for Dems!

572 Let's think over another thing: Republican candidates must be squeaky clean and even then, the Dems make stuff up. Remember the Perry "n" rock? didn't matter that his family didn't do it and painted it over. You can't get much cleaner or straighter than Mitt, yet he cut some kid's hair in high school! Compare and contrast what happens when anyone tries to dig deep into Obama's history. Repubs condemn it, and Dems call it racist. We needed someone to post every nasty rumor, true or not, about Obama. We should be doing that now.

573 How many of your pet recriminations are about felonies? I would think more than a handful of people would care, at least about the habitual disenfranchisement of the military. . But I would be so wrong. Yes some of the ignore fraud squad are trolls trying to protect felons, but most of them, I can't figure out why they want to abandon the field except "it's too haaaaard!"

574 Go Galt Ragnar Danneskjöld.

Rob the parasitical and restore wealth to the productive.

575

Repubs in the House should introduce a comprehensive tax reform proposal, preferably with a flat rate, cap on deductions, one page return, increased revenues largely derived from real GDP increases, and let Paul Ryan explain it to the public. 

576 If the developers of ORCA were hyping the results for financial gain, instead of winning the election.. and knowing they were throwing it, I say put them up against a wall, cut their balls off and feed em to them.. then shoot each limb off slowly, then run them through a tree shredder

577 Before a baseless conspiracy theory drags a good portion of you guys into self-delusional apoplexy, you should know the reason why precincts can report 100% plus voter turnout rates is because of election day registration. A previously unregistered citizen can walk in and vote in most states with ID. Some states count those as provisional votes, others don't. You guys got that? 100% plus turnout is plausible and legitimate.

578 577 Adorno,

Man I can't understand why the blue states bled electoral votes to the south then?

Why didn't these people magically show up for the census?

How fortuitous that magically they all voted for King Putt.

579 People today need a new reminder that more government means dictatorships, death, and violence. I'm prepared to suffer for a season in order to make sure my children experience true freedom. Let them feel the full weight of the progressive utopia. Then, when it all falls apart we can rebuild it better, faster and stronger.

580 Kudos, Ace***

"An inside look behind Romney's loss: An epic failure of its Orca big-data app"

By Preston Gralla
Seeing Through Windows, Computer World
November 09, 2012 10:40 AM EST

No matter your politics -- whether you're a Romney supporter or Obama supporter -- you should read the Ace of Spades account as a cautionary tale about how not to deploy a big-data app in politics or business.

Preston Gralla is a contributing editor for Computerworld and author of more than 40 books, including "Windows 8 Hacks" and "How the Internet Works".

581 Repeal the Hollywood tax cuts.

582 A couple of artciles from technology blogs detailing ORCA failures: http://bit.ly/Zfqs7y http://vrge.co/ZfNKKq