March 18, 2014
— Ace Great.
Oh, by the way:
Sometimes I'm an idiot. You knew that. But lately I've been seeing "Simferopol" in the news and I've been assuming it's one of those "let's change a city's name to reflect actual pronunciation" things, like Peking becoming Beijing, or Bombay becoming Mumbai.
So I thought Simferopol was just Sevastapol.
It's not. They're near each other, but Simferopol is a different city, more inland than Sevastapol, and is the capital of the Crimean region.
Lately I might have written "Sevastapol" when news reports said "Simferopol."
Romney... has written an op-ed on all of this called "The Price of Failed Leadership."
Why, across the world, are America's hands so tied?A large part of the answer is our leader's terrible timing. In virtually every foreign-affairs crisis we have faced these past five years, there was a point when America had good choices and good options. There was a juncture when America had the potential to influence events. But we failed to act at the propitious point; that moment having passed, we were left without acceptable options. In foreign affairs as in life, there is, as Shakespeare had it, "a tide in the affairs of men which, taken at the flood leads on to fortune. Omitted, all the voyage of their life is bound in shallows and in miseries."
...
Able leaders anticipate events, prepare for them, and act in time to shape them. My career in business and politics has exposed me to scores of people in leadership positions, only a few of whom actually have these qualities. Some simply cannot envision the future and are thus unpleasantly surprised when it arrives. Some simply hope for the best. Others succumb to analysis paralysis, weighing trends and forecasts and choices beyond the time of opportunity.
President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton traveled the world in pursuit of their promise to reset relations and to build friendships across the globe. Their failure has been painfully evident: It is hard to name even a single country that has more respect and admiration for America today than when President Obama took office, and now Russia is in Ukraine. Part of their failure, I submit, is due to their failure to act when action was possible, and needed.
Eh. This is an easy analysis to make for anyone criticizing any president: You allege, vaguely, that things might have gone better had you been in charge. You're proclaiming your relative competency versus your opponent's relative incompetency, and as this is all counter-factual, it's impossible to disprove.
Obama, by the way, constantly did this to Bush (well, he did it to McCain, pretending that McCain was in fact George W. Bush), just saying "Hey, we're smarter, if we were in charge you wouldn't even have had to confront these difficult choices."
The argument is easy and a bit vague, so I don't put a lot of stock into it.
But given that Obama did the same thing, I do enjoy that the same tactic is being used against him.
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Posted by: joncelli at March 18, 2014 10:54 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 18, 2014 10:56 AM (YEelc)
Posted by: joncelli at March 18, 2014 10:56 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 18, 2014 10:56 AM (U7Ivf)
Posted by: amichel at March 18, 2014 10:56 AM (kl3xJ)
Joe Biden is the guy everyone liked, but who lasted only one semester. You werenÂ’t sure whether he was bounced for bad grades or plagiarism.
Posted by: Waldo at March 18, 2014 10:57 AM (e8kgV)
Just tell Russia they can have that part that glows in the dark if they want some of Ukraine.
Posted by: Pecan Scandi at March 18, 2014 10:57 AM (cxVzi)
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2014 10:58 AM (/jHWN)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 18, 2014 10:58 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at March 18, 2014 10:59 AM (NSh5j)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at March 18, 2014 10:59 AM (zllbf)
The world community will stop this, right?
It definitely won't watch as a nation is simply devoured by another, will it?
If not, I'm curious to know who's willing to get into a shooting war with the Russians over this, because I'm not sure I am.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 18, 2014 11:00 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Furious George at March 18, 2014 11:00 AM (yFb77)
The majority of Crimeans really did vote to join the RF, and the RF accepted their application yesterday.
Any Ukrainian soldier there would have been ordered out at some point ... and, as much as Ukrainians and Russians don't like each other, would have been ordered to tell the RF troops to sod off.
And now we are involved because Princess Obama is still butthurt over having been diplomatically pwned in Syria.
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 11:00 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2014 11:01 AM (/jHWN)
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 11:01 AM (A/QWH)
The majority of Crimeans really did vote to join the RF, and the RF accepted their application yesterday.
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In a rigged vote with a joke ballot.
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 18, 2014 11:01 AM (eytER)
Posted by: Dave Shanahan at March 18, 2014 11:01 AM (VtXJ6)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 18, 2014 11:01 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 11:01 AM (A/QWH)
Posted by: votermom at March 18, 2014 11:02 AM (GSIDW)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2014 11:02 AM (t3UFN)
It definitely won't watch as a nation is simply devoured by another, will it?
If not, I'm curious to know who's willing to get into a shooting war with the Russians over this, because I'm not sure I am.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 18, 2014 03:00 PM (fwARV)
1) No, it won't.
2) Yes, it will.
3) Nobody, because Europe is too dependent on Vlad's oil, and everyone else is busy being scared of China, scared of Iran, or being backwards incompetents.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 18, 2014 11:02 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Lauren at March 18, 2014 11:02 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: World War III at March 18, 2014 11:02 AM (WDySP)
Posted by: tasker at March 18, 2014 11:02 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Lincoln Steffens at March 18, 2014 11:02 AM (yFb77)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2014 11:02 AM (t3UFN)
I thought we just got some more "peace for our time" recently.
Posted by: Roy at March 18, 2014 11:03 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: The Greatest American Hero at March 18, 2014 11:03 AM (hHFOx)
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 11:03 AM (A/QWH)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 18, 2014 11:03 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: t-bird at March 18, 2014 11:03 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 18, 2014 11:03 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: naturalfake at March 18, 2014 11:03 AM (0cMkb)
Nope. You are buying state dept. propaganda.
The Crimea is about 85% ethnic Russian, and 14% Tatar. The results reflected this. Putin didn't have to rig the election ... the ethnic Russian majority in the original Crimea Autonomous Region already detest Ukrainians.
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 11:04 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: docweasel at March 18, 2014 11:04 AM (gW7Y2)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 18, 2014 11:04 AM (bitz6)
Also a surfactant for removing un-reacted dye particles from cotton.
Posted by: HR at March 18, 2014 11:04 AM (ZKzrr)
Obama said he'd lead our charge from behind.
Posted by: The Light Brigade at March 18, 2014 11:04 AM (hqcwx)
Posted by: chrisnotrock at March 18, 2014 11:04 AM (dX5s2)
Posted by: amichel at March 18, 2014 11:05 AM (kl3xJ)
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Isn't Simferopol one of those drugs that give you a boner? <<
No, that's the one that Michael Jackson OD'd on.
Posted by: Roy at March 18, 2014 11:05 AM (VndSC)
A lot of east coasters get Washington DC and Washington State confused. When I'm back east I have to say I'm from Seattle (though I'm not really) because when I say Washington State, they just don't hear the second word. They think Washington and their mind goes to DC.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 18, 2014 11:05 AM (P7Wsr)
"Lately I might have written "Sevastapol" when news reports said "Simferopol.""
Get ready to see the accepted spelling of Kiev as "Kyiv."
Posted by: Country Singer at March 18, 2014 11:05 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at March 18, 2014 11:05 AM (u8GsB)
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 11:06 AM (A/QWH)
Posted by: --- at March 18, 2014 11:06 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Dirt McGirt at March 18, 2014 11:06 AM (tUg3e)
Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at March 18, 2014 11:06 AM (oDCMR)
What's the over/under on comments when someone is called "stupid" or "idiotic" or "dumb" in this thread?
Put me in at 105.
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 03:06 PM (A/QWH)
You're stupid.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2014 11:06 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Adm. James Painter at March 18, 2014 11:06 AM (89/+j)
Posted by: MJ at March 18, 2014 11:06 AM (oari7)
Posted by: Hillary Reset Clinton at March 18, 2014 11:06 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: eman at March 18, 2014 11:06 AM (/etdv)
Posted by: D-Lamp at March 18, 2014 11:06 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: bestie21 at March 18, 2014 11:07 AM (AzO5R)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at March 18, 2014 11:07 AM (u8GsB)
Nope. You are buying state dept. propaganda.
The Crimea is about 85% ethnic Russian, and 14% Tatar. The results reflected this. Putin didn't have to rig the election ... the ethnic Russian majority in the original Crimea Autonomous Region already detest Ukrainians.
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You're funny.
The ballot had two choices: Let Russia annex Crimea, or let the Crimean Parliament decide what to do. There was no "tell Russia to sod off" option.
Don't mistake the rest of the world as being willing to lap up what your old Soviet masters try to pass off as the truth. The reality is no fair election in this circumstance would yield a 96.7% vote. The reality is the vote was rigged in favor of the Russians from day one, and the reality is you are either a dupe for believing it, or a dishonest tool for trying to insist others believe it.
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 18, 2014 11:07 AM (eytER)
Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at March 18, 2014 11:07 AM (qoBbE)
That's got to violate the Geneva Conventions.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2014 11:07 AM (DrWcr)
Biden showed remarkable restraint by not going for the obvious and sticking mostly to pull-my-finger jokes and dirty limericks.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 18, 2014 11:07 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: RWC at March 18, 2014 11:07 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 18, 2014 03:04 PM (bitz6)
But Kiev is the Mother of all Russian cities, so we're going to pretend the Holodomor didn't happen... or something.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 18, 2014 11:07 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2014 11:07 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 18, 2014 11:08 AM (ZshNr)
Will the Ruskies surrender or launch a full ICBM barrage?
Posted by: eman at March 18, 2014 03:06 PM (/etdv)
If there was any justice in the world, they'd just make her live with Snowden.
Posted by: Country Singer at March 18, 2014 11:08 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at March 18, 2014 11:08 AM (u8GsB)
62 Obama's red line is now somewhere in the D.C. suburbs<<<
Banks have been redlining there for decades.
Posted by: Roy at March 18, 2014 11:08 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2014 11:08 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: RWC at March 18, 2014 11:09 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Dave Shanahan at March 18, 2014 03:01 PM (VtXJ6)
Actually, it was just the comments.
I kid.
Posted by: flounder at March 18, 2014 11:09 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: Secretariat Kerry at March 18, 2014 11:09 AM (ZAj51)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 18, 2014 11:09 AM (IXrOn)
They are already in Crimea. It's over.
It ain't nowheres near over, babe. It's a shooting war with one dead soldier (so far), a Ukraine government calling it now a military conflict, and Putin saying effectively "we won't partition Ukraine" (because we don't have to, it is ours, we are Ein Volk).
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 18, 2014 11:09 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Heh at March 18, 2014 11:09 AM (Blaa2)
Yes.
The Ukrainians should have just folded their hand and maybe asked Russia to trade Crimea for debt forgiveness ( they owe the RF 20 billion of their 34 billion national debt ).
Now Putin has an excuse to take everything from them.
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 11:10 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2014 11:10 AM (t3UFN)
Word.
Posted by: fluffy at March 18, 2014 11:10 AM (Ua6T/)
Posted by: mrp at March 18, 2014 11:10 AM (JBggj)
Posted by: D-Lamp at March 18, 2014 11:10 AM (bb5+k)
Will the Ruskies surrender or launch a full ICBM barrage?
I need more data. From what height would we drop her in this scenario?
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 18, 2014 11:10 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: Null at March 18, 2014 11:10 AM (P7hip)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 18, 2014 11:11 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: grammie winger at March 18, 2014 11:11 AM (oMKp3)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 18, 2014 11:11 AM (bitz6)
I think Romney's criticism is valuable because it shows a consistency in Obama's failures.
It's not just one thing....it's everything.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (anti-Irish Bigot) at March 18, 2014 11:11 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: votermom at March 18, 2014 11:11 AM (GSIDW)
Posted by: D-Lamp at March 18, 2014 11:11 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 18, 2014 03:00 PM (fwARV)
There is no world community unless by 'community' you mean something akin to Detroit, Michigan. 'Community' implies shared goals and interests. I see little of that in evidence among governments. All I see is shortsighted greed, cowardice and stupidity, all in equal measure.
As Bob Dylan once said in an interview, 'Peace is the time it takes to reload.'
Posted by: troyriser at March 18, 2014 11:12 AM (gNlvW)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 18, 2014 11:12 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 18, 2014 11:12 AM (ELs9k)
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 11:12 AM (A/QWH)
He was a terrible candidate. A no good, horrible, everyone should have known he'd lose from the outset candidate.
/snark
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 18, 2014 11:12 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: Admiral Painter at March 18, 2014 11:13 AM (SO2Q8)
The Ukrainians should have just folded their hand and maybe asked Russia to trade Crimea for debt forgiveness ( they owe the RF 20 billion of their 34 billion national debt ).
Now Putin has an excuse to take everything from them.
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 03:10 PM (c6N69)
Yes indeed, that worked so well when the French and British had the Czechs let Sudentenland go. Herr Hitler has no further territorial ambitions.
Posted by: joncelli at March 18, 2014 11:13 AM (RD7QR)
As I said yesterday. I'm praying for my friends in the Ukraine. They loved their freedom. Enough to fight for it.
I'm looking at it another way too. What if civil war breaks out in this country? I'm sure Putin and most of the despots in the world would be drooling over the prospect of just moving in and taking over.
Posted by: Soona at March 18, 2014 11:13 AM (sx5Tc)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 18, 2014 11:13 AM (IXrOn)
Eerie. Is the band Franz Ferdinand on tour?
Posted by: fluffy at March 18, 2014 11:14 AM (Ua6T/)
Nah. If someone can't be bothered to look up the actual demographics, I'll not bother arguing with him.
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 11:14 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 11:14 AM (A/QWH)
Posted by: Mitt Romney at March 18, 2014 11:14 AM (y9dfJ)
Posted by: tasker at March 18, 2014 11:14 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 03:10 PM (c6N69)
Putin has always had an excuse to take everything from them. It's called being the leader of Russia.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 18, 2014 11:14 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Lauren at March 18, 2014 11:14 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: prescient11 at March 18, 2014 11:15 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 18, 2014 11:15 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 18, 2014 11:15 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 18, 2014 11:15 AM (7ObY1)
Peking becoming Beijing
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Hold on there. Does this mean i need to start ordering Beijing Duck? Mind...Blown.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 18, 2014 11:15 AM (SO2Q8)
Never heard of it.
See, the joke doesn't work if it's something that a lot of USians haven't heard of. It has to be totally obvious, like "Fire is hot, I never heard that."
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 18, 2014 11:16 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: tasker at March 18, 2014 11:16 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at March 18, 2014 11:16 AM (9Bdcz)
I think Romney's criticisms carry more weight, ace, because what's happening now is exactly what he said would happen; namely Russia taking on a bigger, badder role in geopolitics, which Obammy laughed off as nonsense. Romney's essentially saying, "See, asshole? Next time maybe you should have listened to the white guy with the binders full of women instead of your Iranian Rat."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 18, 2014 11:16 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: President Obama at March 18, 2014 11:16 AM (slXFW)
Posted by: eman at March 18, 2014 11:16 AM (/etdv)
Hitler's army was nothing when he marched into Czechoslovakia. The Wehrmacht had orders to retreat if they encountered any opposition. I don't think the current Russian Army is that weak.
I suggest considering reality.
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 11:16 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 18, 2014 11:16 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: D-Lamp at March 18, 2014 11:16 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: --- at March 18, 2014 11:16 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 18, 2014 11:17 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Vladimir Putin at March 18, 2014 11:17 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 18, 2014 11:17 AM (xZxMD)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2014 11:17 AM (t3UFN)
See, you have to give us a clue like "upstate" or "downstate". Then we know you're not talking in shorthand.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 18, 2014 11:17 AM (P7Wsr)
Truth. The Ukrainians could make the Chechins look like pickers if they got pasted hard enough.
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 11:17 AM (c6N69)
Kristophr:
Do you think Putin would really have the stones to go farther west than Kiev? I mean, there are 45 million people in Ukraine, only say 20 million of which are Russian speaking. You'd think the western, Ukrainian speaking regions would be more trouble than they are worth. If it came to that, we might see Poland actually start to mobilize; then things really might get out of hand. Much safer to leave a buffer Ruthenia/Ukraine state between Putin and NATO.
Posted by: amichel at March 18, 2014 11:18 AM (kl3xJ)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at March 18, 2014 11:18 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at March 18, 2014 11:18 AM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Pelosi Schmelosi at March 18, 2014 11:18 AM (jHf6U)
Posted by: World War III at March 18, 2014 11:18 AM (WDySP)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 18, 2014 11:18 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2014 11:19 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 11:19 AM (c6N69)
Leave Romney, just please fucking go away.
Posted by: prescient11 at March 18, 2014 0315 PM (tVTLU)
If being on the losing side of an election is the only thing required to have to go away, then I suggest Palin stop pointing out how right she was as well.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 18, 2014 11:19 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: naturalfake at March 18, 2014 11:19 AM (0cMkb)
I don't see Putin going much further than Alaska, which is defensible for them and has a shit-ton of natural resources. Hell, he'll claim that the sale of Alaska to the US by Russia in the 1800s was illegitimate.
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It IS a red state....and maybe the Sarah Palin would go with it. And it's full of white people and oil.
Get me Vladimir on the phone!
Posted by: Barack Obama at March 18, 2014 11:19 AM (SO2Q8)
Posted by: eman at March 18, 2014 11:19 AM (/etdv)
Posted by: panzernashorn at March 18, 2014 11:20 AM (/vO0r)
Nah. If someone can't be bothered to look up the actual demographics, I'll not bother arguing with him.
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OK, clown, as if demographics make any difference if the vote itself is rigged.
Per USA Today, the ethnic Russian population of Crimea tops out at 60%. Pretty far below that figure you quoted.
Now that that's out of the way, here is actual fact:
The ballot had two questions with one checkbox beside each question. The first question was "Are you in favour of the reunification of Crimea with Russia as a part of the Russian Federation?" *any* mark in the checkbox next to that question is taken as a "yes" answer. There is no checkbox for a "no" answer.
The second question was "Are you in favour of restoring the 1992 Constitution and the status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine?" However, this is not the status quo option...this is a question as to whether Crimea will, under the 1992 Constitution, become a semi-autonomous part of Ukraine with its own legislature and ability to determine allegiance with whatever entity that legislature decides. In other words, a longer path to annexation by Russia. And again, any mark in the single checkbox next to that question is taken as a "yes."
Any ballot with no marks next to either question was tossed out as "spoiled." In other words, you had to vote yes to one of the questions, either of which lead to annexation.
The vote was rigged.
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 18, 2014 11:20 AM (eytER)
Posted by: tasker
The first flavor was weasel. But it came with a shirt.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at March 18, 2014 11:20 AM (ligos)
Posted by: Fritz at March 18, 2014 11:20 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: grammie winger at March 18, 2014 11:20 AM (oMKp3)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 18, 2014 11:20 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 18, 2014 11:20 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: YourPoopyPants at March 18, 2014 11:21 AM (Y/HG5)
Actually conquering the section of Ukraine that is mostly Ukrainian will unleash a terrorism shitstorm in his own cities.
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 11:21 AM (c6N69)
It was a bogus election, with bogus results period
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 18, 2014 03:20 PM (SY2Kh)
Agreed. Now what should be done about it?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 18, 2014 11:21 AM (fwARV)
Obama might still get his war which necessitates that he remain President to preserve the Union since time of war is too perilous for a change of government, but it won't do Ukraine any good.
Resistance is futile.
I'll be in my bunker checking expiration dates.
Posted by: Sleepy Time Temporary Work at March 18, 2014 11:22 AM (APCjj)
See, here's the thing. Even if we're fighting each other? I'm pretty sure 75% of Americans, regardless of which side they're fighting on, would turn around shoulder to shoulder to beat the fuck out of an invading foreign army. Sincerely.
The remaining 25% would be turncoat commie bastards who'd probably side with the invaders because they're idiots who believe they'll get to control the country if the foreigners win. This would make them legitimate cannon fodder for us real Americans.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 18, 2014 11:22 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 18, 2014 11:22 AM (IXrOn)
Hitler's army was nothing when he marched into Czechoslovakia. The Wehrmacht had orders to retreat if they encountered any opposition. I don't think the current Russian Army is that weak.
I suggest considering reality.
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 03:16 PM (c6N69)
I've expressed myself badly. Let me put it this way: Just as the Nazis did, in fact, have further territorial ambitions, it just doesn't matter if the Ukrainians had let Putin have Crimea without a fight.
Posted by: joncelli at March 18, 2014 11:22 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 18, 2014 11:22 AM (bitz6)
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2014 11:22 AM (GXZgZ)
Posted by: Zombie Mayor Dailey Sr at March 18, 2014 11:22 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: D-Lamp at March 18, 2014 11:22 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2014 11:22 AM (VhqUZ)
it. As if New York State is just NYC and some roads leading to NYC."
People from New York City tend to tell me what burough they're from, as if I give a damn.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 18, 2014 11:23 AM (WdbF7)
So they will drive around and look for rusty antiques?
Posted by: Vlad the bad at March 18, 2014 11:23 AM (0Kobm)
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 11:23 AM (A/QWH)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 18, 2014 11:23 AM (SY2Kh)
The Soviets now known as Putinists could get a very unpleasant surprise.
Posted by: eman at March 18, 2014 03:16 PM (/etdv)
No surprises for the Russians, sorry. Look at the geography, the topography, the terrain. The Ukraine is a walkover for a modern, well-equipped, mechanized army--especially one with short, land-based supply lines such as Russia has. The Ukrainians don't stand a chance.
Posted by: troyriser at March 18, 2014 11:24 AM (gNlvW)
Posted by: grammie winger at March 18, 2014 11:24 AM (oMKp3)
Yes he did, Ace, and it was just like Mutt Romney's doing now.
But Teh Muttster isn't going to have legions of adoring fans who give him a total pass on his stupidity because of his skin color. No, thinking people and those who were burned by him in '08 (not always the same group, but pretty much) will tell Romney he had his chance, and it's STFU time now.
Posted by: MrScribbler at March 18, 2014 11:24 AM (jiM5S)
Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 18, 2014 11:24 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2014 11:24 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Beagle at March 18, 2014 11:24 AM (sOtz/)
Things aren't "lost" in translation so much now as being created from mistranslation.
The quote also says "war crime" in the German translation, so it's likely what she said in the original Peruvian.
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 18, 2014 11:24 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: The Hidden Artificial Intelligence[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 18, 2014 11:24 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 18, 2014 03:20 PM (0FSuD)
No, and hell no.
Did he lose in the election? Yep.
Do I want him to come back and rub it in the faces of everyone who voted for the opponent that he was fucking RIGHT? Hell yes I do.
We do not win future elections by retiring quietly and licking our wounds in private. We win future elections by pointing out "WE FUCKING TOLD YOU SO, ASSHOLES" as often and as loudly as possible.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 18, 2014 11:25 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Zombie Mayor Dailey Sr at March 18, 2014 11:25 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: troyriser at March 18, 2014 03:24 PM (gNlvW)
It's what we colloquially refer to as "maneuver terrain."
Posted by: Country Singer at March 18, 2014 11:25 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: --- at March 18, 2014 11:25 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at March 18, 2014 11:25 AM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 18, 2014 03:23 PM (WdbF7)
NYC isn't in England. I think people have been screwing around with you.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (anti-Irish Bigot) at March 18, 2014 11:25 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: ejo at March 18, 2014 11:26 AM (GXvSO)
Posted by: Lefty Ruggerio at March 18, 2014 11:26 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 18, 2014 11:26 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 18, 2014 11:26 AM (0FSuD)
Crimea dependence on Ukraine :
80% of electricity
85% of water
70% of food
70% of tourists
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 18, 2014 11:27 AM (slXFW)
Posted by: gracepmc at March 18, 2014 11:27 AM (rznx3)
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2014 11:27 AM (GXZgZ)
We also need to remember that Russia has never treated the Ukraine well.
Ukraine was the stray dog that Russia kicked repeatedly when things went wrong in the kremlin.
Posted by: Soona at March 18, 2014 11:28 AM (sx5Tc)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 18, 2014 11:28 AM (qyfb5)
Be that as it may: Do we really want to start WWIII over Russian activity in the Near Abroad, territory that has been conquered by Russia since Tsarist times?
The only reason this is happening is because Clinton conned them into giving their nukes back to the Russians, and Obama is still butthurt over Syria.
I would suggest that Princess Obama fly over their alone, and go stand in front of the Russian tanks.
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 11:28 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: YourPoopyPants at March 18, 2014 03:21 PM (Y/HG5
It may come calling for you whether you like it or not. War has this unfortunate tendency to do just that.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Four Outrages, get a Rightous Indignation Free! at March 18, 2014 11:28 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 11:28 AM (A/QWH)
That could be our gas they are burning if we had a coherent energy policy, instead of the environmentalist-driven lunacy we have currently.
A fleet of U.S. built and flagged LNG carriers on a non-stop loop to Europe, carrying our fracked NG.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (anti-Irish Bigot) at March 18, 2014 11:28 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: joncelli at March 18, 2014 11:28 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: D-Lamp at March 18, 2014 11:28 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 18, 2014 11:28 AM (bitz6)
You think wimp dick Mitt can do that?
I got a bridge to sell you if you do.
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 18, 2014 03:26 PM (0FSuD)
I'm thinking he just did.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 18, 2014 11:29 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: grammie winger at March 18, 2014 11:29 AM (oMKp3)
Posted by: TFG at March 18, 2014 11:29 AM (miAG4)
Posted by: Insane Supercomputer AM at March 18, 2014 11:29 AM (kl3xJ)
Posted by: prescient11 at March 18, 2014 03:15 PM (tVTLU)
Why should he go away? He is a good and decent man. So he is about 1 year late fighting back, so what?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2014 03:17 PM (t3UFN)
Back when I was a boy in 1978, I remember a number of comments in the papers to the effect of "Gee, it would have been better if Gerald Ford was still President..." when Gerald Ford spoke up a time or two.
This happening with respect to Mitt? A good thing!
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 18, 2014 11:29 AM (GsebS)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 18, 2014 11:30 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Piercello at March 18, 2014 11:30 AM (jJ97i)
Be that as it may: Do we really want to start WWIII over Russian activity in the Near Abroad, territory that has been conquered by Russia since Tsarist times?
The only reason this is happening is because Clinton conned them into giving their nukes back to the Russians, and Obama is still butthurt over Syria.
I would suggest that Princess Obama fly over their alone, and go stand in front of the Russian tanks.
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 03:28 PM (c6N69)
"Near abroad." So Kristophr is our Russian dezinformatsiya guy. I feel so honored.
Posted by: joncelli at March 18, 2014 11:30 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 18, 2014 11:30 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Havildar - Major at March 18, 2014 11:30 AM (kduZC)
Fun fact: The gas pipelines from Russia to Germany were built, with West German financing, at the height of the cold war in 1973.
The gas going one way and the euro going the other way are so important to the countries at each end of the pipe that Ukraine's sovereignty is dispensable.
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 18, 2014 11:31 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: anonymous irishman at March 18, 2014 11:31 AM (DJgfL)
Ukrainians also remember being Russia's chew toy during the era of the USSR.
Ukraine will not be an easy win for the Russkies. There WILL be Ukrainians who fight, and who fight HARD.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 18, 2014 11:31 AM (4df7R)
I agree with the Mitt op-ed. That said, if only he was that tough in the campaign. Lotta good it does now.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 18, 2014 11:31 AM (0Kobm)
Posted by: Zombie Trotsky at March 18, 2014 11:31 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 11:32 AM (A/QWH)
Posted by: willow at March 18, 2014 11:32 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Country Singer at March 18, 2014 11:32 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: --- at March 18, 2014 03:31 PM (MMC8r)
Or hot cross buns.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2014 11:32 AM (51wwJ)
I've been posting here for quite a while, sport.
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 11:32 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 18, 2014 11:33 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: D-Lamp at March 18, 2014 11:33 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 18, 2014 11:33 AM (slXFW)
Posted by: willow at March 18, 2014 11:33 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: --- at March 18, 2014 11:33 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 18, 2014 11:33 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 18, 2014 11:33 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 18, 2014 11:33 AM (bitz6)
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 11:33 AM (A/QWH)
Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at March 18, 2014 11:34 AM (2oU2+)
Posted by: Newman at March 18, 2014 11:34 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: The Hidden Artificial Intelligence[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 18, 2014 11:34 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 18, 2014 03:31 PM (0Kobm)
It may not do a lot of good, but it does do SOME good. It doesn't save us from the idiot in the White House, but if it makes a few more people go, "Man, Obama's an idiot," then that's a win. Not a big win, but a win.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 18, 2014 11:34 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 18, 2014 11:35 AM (0FSuD)
It is in the interest of both nations to settle this. I don't see conquering the Ukraine as being a walk in the park.
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 11:35 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: Carnivorus Herbavore at March 18, 2014 11:35 AM (mwDO5)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 18, 2014 11:35 AM (bitz6)
Posted by: wth at March 18, 2014 11:35 AM (wAQA5)
No, I sure don't . Sorry, I guess I'm a little over sensitive when people talk about not wanting to fight in a war who don't fight wars.
Seriously, my issue - not yours. Apologies.
Posted by: grammie winger at March 18, 2014 03:29 PM (oMKp3)
It's a fair point - don't apologize.
I fought over Iraq and Afghanistan. Though no longer on active service, I think my opinion counts just as much as every other American voter. My vote is for 'no,' even though I feel awful about casting it as such.
I don't take any joy in knowing (believing strongly) that Russia will take Ukraine and thousands will die, but I'm not willing to send myself, any of my buddies or those who have taken up the flag since I got out.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 18, 2014 11:35 AM (fwARV)
Be that as it may: Do we really want to start WWIII over Russian activity in the Near Abroad, territory that has been conquered by Russia since Tsarist times?
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Interesting that English is your second language....
And just like jwest, you persist in the stupid false binary choice. No, there's lots we can do to fuck Russia over without sending one solitary soldier over there.
For instance, Putin is dependent on the price of oil remaining over a certain level to prop up his thugocracy. We can quite easily do lots in that area. We drill baby drill. We frack everywhere. We give the Euros fracking technology. We leverage our relationship with the Saudis to produce more. We pass Keystone. We work with the Canadians to ship more out. Because if the price of oil drops below $90/barrel, Putin is fucked.
And that's just for starters. The western Siberian oil fields are starting to tap out. Putin can't get the eastern fields up and running without capital and tech from the west...which we can deny him. Russia's production falters, and we're right there to pick up the slack. Russia's already a consolation member of the BRICs and they don't have a vibrant economy anyway, so whatever disruption to oil happens fucks Russia more than it does us.
And all that is for starters. We freeze Russian assets in the west. We prohibit any and all tech transfers. And since our creditors are more patient than Russia's, we deploy lots of war materiel with our European allies, forcing Russia to keep up in a game it cannot win with dirt-cheap oil.
No, a shooting war isn't the only option, nor is it the best one. We have much better cards to play.
To close, save your propaganda shit for your home audience. Americans aren't buying it, comrade.
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 18, 2014 11:36 AM (eytER)
Posted by: willow at March 18, 2014 11:36 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: naturalfake at March 18, 2014 11:36 AM (0cMkb)
Posted by: D-Lamp at March 18, 2014 11:37 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: --- at March 18, 2014 03:35 PM (MMC8r)
I have no blog but I must rant.
Posted by: joncelli at March 18, 2014 11:37 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 18, 2014 11:37 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 18, 2014 11:37 AM (xZxMD)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at March 18, 2014 11:37 AM (9Bdcz)
Yeah, the world seems to be taking crazy pills lately.
I can't tell if it's that we've finally reached a toxic level of stupid/socialism in this country and as the world's only superpower the ripples are propagating through the rest of the world.
Posted by: naturalfake at March 18, 2014 03:19 PM (0cMkb)
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Emptiness begs to be filled. Ever since Baraka was sworn in, he's been sucking the freedom out of this nation and the world. Now the emptiness is being filled.
Posted by: Soona at March 18, 2014 11:37 AM (sx5Tc)
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 11:37 AM (A/QWH)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 18, 2014 11:37 AM (SY2Kh)
Slip me a few RPCs, Baby!
Posted by: iPad seeking interface at March 18, 2014 11:38 AM (Ua6T/)
I did see a few "let's nuke 'em posts", even here. And a bunch of libtards are now suddenly hawks on the rest of the internet. Not exactly a strawman ...
And yes, I assume you personally have more sense than to want to start WWIII.
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 11:38 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 18, 2014 11:38 AM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 18, 2014 11:38 AM (ov2D7)
Posted by: D-Lamp at March 18, 2014 11:38 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: the guy who fucks Sue at March 18, 2014 11:38 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2014 11:38 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Your Focused President at March 18, 2014 11:39 AM (dvRYt)
Posted by: HR at March 18, 2014 11:39 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Yes it sucks at March 18, 2014 11:39 AM (ODaO0)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 18, 2014 11:39 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 18, 2014 11:39 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 18, 2014 11:40 AM (IXrOn)
You're in a gunfight at the OK Corral.
You're behind a tumbleweed, taking fire from your enemies. Mitt Romney shows up, stands beside you, and shoots back at your enemies.
You turn to Mitt and tell him to go away??
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Hey, I'm here agreeing with Hollowpoint (or he's agreeing with me....). One of us is growing, but regardless, an ally is an ally. 
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 18, 2014 11:40 AM (eytER)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 18, 2014 11:40 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: D-Lamp at March 18, 2014 11:40 AM (bb5+k)
I was born in Portland Oregon, and currently live in Cheyenne Wyoming.
Your paranoia is pathetic.
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 11:40 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: The Hidden Artificial Intelligence[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 18, 2014 11:41 AM (qyfb5)
@JohnTrant:
I was born in Portland Oregon, and currently live in Cheyenne Wyoming.
Your paranoia is pathetic.
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So's your spelling and slavic idioms.
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 18, 2014 11:41 AM (eytER)
Posted by: Newman at March 18, 2014 11:42 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: willow at March 18, 2014 11:42 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 18, 2014 11:43 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 18, 2014 11:43 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: panzernashorn at March 18, 2014 11:43 AM (/vO0r)
Posted by: anonymous irishman at March 18, 2014 11:43 AM (DJgfL)
>>>You folks thinking about third party shit should remember what a disaster it is.
I do. I weigh it against recent history and find your argument wanting, however.
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 18, 2014 11:43 AM (3ZtZW)
Yup. The blame for this invasion should be made to fall squarely on Obama, and Bill Clinton for his past unwise assurances.
We should not allow "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" complaints, and pleas to support the President when he wants to do something outrageously stupid and dangerous to stop our criticism.
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 11:43 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 18, 2014 11:43 AM (bitz6)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2014 11:43 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 18, 2014 11:44 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 18, 2014 11:44 AM (ob80C)
Posted by: The Hidden Artificial Intelligence[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 18, 2014 11:44 AM (qyfb5)
The Russian Bear is expanding it's reach.
The sitting President of the United States is looked upon by the leaders of the free world as just slightly more dim witted then a cow patty, and having the respect afforded a turnip pie.
Yeh....what could go wrong.
On the up side, got another box of Fluffy Food delivered today.
So I have that going for me.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 18, 2014 11:44 AM (si68n)
What help might the Ukrainians receive from other eastern European countries that DO NOT want Russia back on their doorstep? Places like Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland. They might not have the world's biggest or best militaries, but what could they provide in terms of aid if Ukraine finds itself in a protracted firefight?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 18, 2014 11:44 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 11:44 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 18, 2014 11:44 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2014 11:45 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: tasker at March 18, 2014 11:45 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: IrishEd at March 18, 2014 11:45 AM (D0NZx)
Even so, anything that degrades people's opinion of the shit head in chief, is in the best interest of the nation.
Posted by: D-Lamp at March 18, 2014 03:37 PM (bb5+k)
He did point it out and the media laughed at that 1980's throwback Mitt Romney. And now Romney is getting a piece of his own back from the media at the expense of their dreamboat.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Four Outrages, get a Rightous Indignation Free! at March 18, 2014 11:45 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 18, 2014 11:45 AM (XyM/Y)
Yup. The blame for this invasion should be made to fall squarely on Obama, and Bill Clinton for his past unwise assurances.
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Yeah, Vladdy just couldn't help himself. Hey, she was asking for it, right tovarishch?
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 18, 2014 11:45 AM (eytER)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2014 11:46 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 18, 2014 11:46 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 18, 2014 03:40 PM (4df7R)
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Agree.
Posted by: Soona at March 18, 2014 11:46 AM (sx5Tc)
Posted by: rightwingva at March 18, 2014 11:46 AM (kCnae)
Hollowpoint: I hope so. However, a few idiots do try to mix in with the Morons.
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He says with no trace of irony.
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 18, 2014 11:46 AM (eytER)
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 18, 2014 11:46 AM (ov2D7)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 18, 2014 11:46 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 18, 2014 11:46 AM (5xmd7)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 18, 2014 11:47 AM (ZshNr)
Willow:
That is one "fortunate" thing from the population transfers at the end of WWII. Over 97% of the people living in Poland are ethnically Polish and Polish speaking. It had millions of Polish people from Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine dumped into their new borders, and millions of Germans moved out. It is now extremely ethnically and linguistically homogenous
Posted by: Insane Supercomputer AM at March 18, 2014 11:47 AM (kl3xJ)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 18, 2014 11:47 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: tasker at March 18, 2014 11:47 AM (RJMhd)
I do that with "Chicago" and "Chernobyl" for obvious reasons.
Posted by: kathysaysso at March 18, 2014 11:47 AM (6H6o8)
N>>>o he is right. A third party from the right does nothing but put a Democrat back in the White House.
I'm in NY, ffs. Nothing is going to happen.
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 18, 2014 11:48 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 03:38 PM (c6N69)
Unfortunately you don't have to worry about our sense; you have to worry about Putin and Obama's sense.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Four Outrages, get a Rightous Indignation Free! at March 18, 2014 11:48 AM (hLRSq)
Being familiar with Russia does not make me Russian.
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 11:48 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 18, 2014 03:44 PM (4df7R)
There may be a firefight, but it won't be protracted. Russia is simply too big with too large an army for Ukraine to have any chance other than in a guerrilla war after a takeover.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (anti-Irish Bigot) at March 18, 2014 11:49 AM (QFxY5)
Is today Flame Day?
That's an ignorant fucking question, bitch. Fuck you for asking.
(How'd I do?)
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 18, 2014 11:49 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 18, 2014 11:49 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 18, 2014 03:46 PM (5xmd7)
That's going to depend on how and where they used the nuke. I don't know what our nuclear response protocols are now that the Cold War is over, but once upon a time I'm pretty sure any kind of nuclear launch by the USSR would have required a corresponding response from us.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 18, 2014 11:49 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 18, 2014 11:49 AM (3ZtZW)
Ace,
It may be an easy and unprovable argument to make that "I would have made better choices". But in the op-ed, Romney is careful not to say that his better choices would have necessarily led to better outcomes.
Rather Romney is making a preponderance argument. Taken in the aggregate, Romney's choices would have led to generally better foreign affairs for the U.S.
But except for Obama sycophants (of which the left overflows), is there anyone who really doubts that.
Romney's argument is less, "I would have done a very good job", and more, "It's hard to have done as wretched a job as Obama."
That Obama has 'led' (from behind - and turned around) a disastrous foreign policy is evident.
Romney's piece is primarily a broad but accurate (and quite gentle) dissection of that disaster.
It's less Buyer's Remorse and more The Emperor Failed to Put On Clothes - but let's hope (for ALL our sakes) that he figures out how!
Posted by: _Dave_ at March 18, 2014 11:49 AM (07UzX)
Posted by: Mainah at March 18, 2014 11:49 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2014 11:49 AM (t3UFN)
I think Ace is grossly underselling R-Money's argument here. There's a general global consensus that Obama's a gutless wonder and he cannot comprehend the idea that the world doesn't work the way the Harvard faculty lounge thinks it does. Mitt is basically saying the same thing in more of a T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII manner.
Posted by: Ian S. at March 18, 2014 11:50 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 18, 2014 11:50 AM (xZxMD)
You're confusing the shit outta me. On the one hand, I sent you nothing. On the other hand, you haven't offered me any. I want cookies!!1!
Posted by: fluffy at March 18, 2014 11:50 AM (Ua6T/)
Posted by: tasker at March 18, 2014 11:50 AM (RJMhd)
What help might the Ukrainians receive from other eastern European countries that DO NOT want Russia back on their doorstep? Places like Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland. They might not have the world's biggest or best militaries, but what could they provide in terms of aid if Ukraine finds itself in a protracted firefight?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 18, 2014 03:44 PM (4df7R)
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I've also been thinking too, that what if the Ukraine would have had a 2d Amendment. I would think Putin would be so eager to invade a country where everyone would be shooting at his army.
The Ukraine is a good example of one of the reasons this country has a 2d Amendment.
Posted by: Soona at March 18, 2014 11:50 AM (sx5Tc)
But today.
Frustration needs to be either released, or channeled constructively.
And I can feel it within myself as well as others in the Horde, that there is more emoting,and less thinking going on.
And that isn't a good thing.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 18, 2014 11:50 AM (si68n)
Posted by: anonymous irishman at March 18, 2014 11:50 AM (DJgfL)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 18, 2014 11:50 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 18, 2014 03:44 PM (4df7R)
All NATO member countries. That's how your WWIII starts.
Posted by: Country Singer at March 18, 2014 11:51 AM (L8r/r)
I've been posting here for a few years, @JohnTant. Try plugging "kristophr site:minx.cc" into a search engine.
Being familiar with Russia does not make me Russian.
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I don't give a shit how long you've been posting here, as if that means anything anyway (logical fallacy, tovarishch, look it up). And besides, it's the Internet. Anyone can claim to be anybody (jwest has made a career of it.) Frankly, at best you're a symp and that's if I take what you say at face value.
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 18, 2014 11:51 AM (eytER)
Posted by: tu3031 at March 18, 2014 11:51 AM (nsQhi)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 18, 2014 11:51 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2014 11:51 AM (GXZgZ)
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 18, 2014 03:49 PM (JtwS4)
Pretty fucking badly.
What are you, a retard?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (anti-Irish Bigot) at March 18, 2014 11:52 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 18, 2014 11:52 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: MTF at March 18, 2014 11:52 AM (/vWVY)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 18, 2014 11:52 AM (ZshNr)
OT: This is kinda funny in the blatant obviousness of the number manipulations by our govt.
http://tinyurl.com/ppbrjyg
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 18, 2014 11:52 AM (0Kobm)
Curious -- want to know how many red lines Obama can draw.
Posted by: gracepmc at March 18, 2014 11:52 AM (rznx3)
Posted by: Eric Holder at March 18, 2014 11:53 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 11:53 AM (A/QWH)
Last year they had two of them. 'Cause Mooch needed nine pies at Thanksgiving.
Posted by: HR at March 18, 2014 11:53 AM (ZKzrr)
Unfortunately, you have to think like they do. They would assume we sending the bench - so they would send theirs so it didn't get caught on the ground.
Posted by: Jean at March 18, 2014 11:53 AM (Aqvh6)
Do try to keep things straight.
I wonder if I can get paid by Putin, now that your headvoices have promoted me to a ФСБ post?
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 11:53 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: Mainah at March 18, 2014 11:53 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 18, 2014 11:53 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Country Singer at March 18, 2014 03:51 PM (L8r/r)
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Either that, or, by inaction, the dissolution of NATO.
Posted by: Soona at March 18, 2014 11:53 AM (sx5Tc)
Posted by: Biff Boffo at March 18, 2014 11:53 AM (YmPwQ)
Actually I found Romney's comment very pursuasive - Obama fumbles and bumbles whenever it comes time to act, and routinely fritters away any and all advantages he might have had. He always lunges for the steering wheel after the car has gone over the cliff.
Look at obamacare - there were numerous hints that there was a monumental cluster-fark coming. The Republicans offered him a gift - delay the individual mandate a year. He refused...then a few months later after the disasterous roll out he unilaterally declares the same thing. He could have "compromised" with the Republicans and avoided a hugely embarassing incident, but like everything else he simply lets problems happen and then desperately tries to fix things after they have failed.
Posted by: Geosupreme at March 18, 2014 11:54 AM (/EkKm)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 18, 2014 11:54 AM (SY2Kh)
Fluffy
http://tinyurl.com/l5b2ye6
Fluffy Food
http://tinyurl.com/m2jw2pm
There are many Fluffy's.
There is only one "fluffy"
That be you.
Cookie?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 18, 2014 11:54 AM (si68n)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 18, 2014 11:54 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 11:54 AM (A/QWH)
This is absurd. I will never understand all the Romney hate from our own side. And I'm not talking "I don't like this particular policy" or "I don't like that he created Romneycare". I'm talking sheer flat out irrational hatred.
When Romney lost the election and gracefully retreated from the public eye, people whined that he wasn't poking his nose into every last event that was taking place. And now that a little time has passed and he's trying to influence affairs in a positive direction, people complain that he's not keeping quiet.
Posted by: junior at March 18, 2014 11:54 AM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Country Singer at March 18, 2014 03:51 PM (L8r/r)
Bingo. We will know Putin is really testing Obamunist weakness when he starts pushing around NATO members. Georgia republic and Ukraine republic were/are not.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 18, 2014 11:54 AM (GsebS)
Posted by: John McCain at March 18, 2014 11:54 AM (wAQA5)
@JohnTrant: I was discussing Obama and Clinton's incompetence, not Putin's actions.
Do try to keep things straight.
I wonder if I can get paid by Putin, now that your headvoices have promoted me to a ÔÑà post?
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You said blame lies on Clinton and Obama, as if Putin had no involvement.
News to me Putin didn't have control over the forces that invaded Ukraine.
So yeah, I have things plenty straight. You're a symp doofus.
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 18, 2014 11:55 AM (eytER)
Posted by: Jean at March 18, 2014 11:55 AM (Aqvh6)
There is another fluffy that lives in Peaches' house.
I believe she eats .357 magnum, but I may be wrong.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (anti-Irish Bigot) at March 18, 2014 11:55 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 18, 2014 11:55 AM (xZxMD)
Posted by: redenzo at March 18, 2014 11:55 AM (WCnJW)
I thought it was a dessert topping or a floor wax.
Posted by: physics geek at March 18, 2014 11:56 AM (MT22W)
Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at March 18, 2014 11:56 AM (oDCMR)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 18, 2014 11:56 AM (XyM/Y)
meanwhile, Prince Reebus and the RNC are crickets.
actually, keeping their pie-holes shut is the right thing to do.
Posted by: Jean at March 18, 2014 11:57 AM (Aqvh6)
Nevergiveup:
I closed the book on Romney after his message to Brewer to veto the AZ religious freedom bill. He can get fucked.
Imagine if Romney and Ryan would have won. Imagine what a horror show that would have been for the GOP and conservatives.
Thank God for unanswered prayers.
Posted by: prescient11 at March 18, 2014 11:57 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: panzernashorn
No, it's just a matter of having been transliterated through multiple European languages and dialects before becoming the name in English usage just as 'Nihon' became Japan in English.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at March 18, 2014 11:57 AM (ligos)
Posted by: rightwingva at March 18, 2014 11:57 AM (kCnae)
Will the Ruskies surrender or launch a full ICBM barrage?
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That would be considered a violation of the Geneva Conventons, Chemical Warfare clause. Death by fishy puss.
Posted by: Biff Boffo at March 18, 2014 11:57 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 18, 2014 11:57 AM (xZxMD)
Posted by: petunia at March 18, 2014 11:57 AM (DAcBA)
This is absurd. I will never understand all the Romney hate from our own side. And I'm not talking "I don't like this particular policy" or "I don't like that he created Romneycare". I'm talking sheer flat out irrational hatred.
When Romney lost the election and gracefully retreated from the public eye, people whined that he wasn't poking his nose into every last event that was taking place. And now that a little time has passed and he's trying to influence affairs in a positive direction, people complain that he's not keeping quiet.
Posted by: junior at March 18, 2014 03:54 PM (UWFpX)
THIS. For all Gerald Ford's RINO weakness, he was still much better than Jimmuh Carturd. Mitt is better than Mulatto Carter, likewise.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 18, 2014 11:58 AM (GsebS)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 18, 2014 11:58 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 11:58 AM (A/QWH)
Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at March 18, 2014 11:58 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 18, 2014 11:59 AM (aTXUx)
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Define "people". I'm a big fan of losers disappearing.
Monday morning quarterbacking won't solve anything. Everyone who wants to see it knows that Zero is a clueless assclown.
Posted by: Biff Boffo at March 18, 2014 11:59 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Jean at March 18, 2014 12:00 PM (Aqvh6)
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 12:00 PM (A/QWH)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 18, 2014 12:00 PM (ojnk6)
Did Romney lose the election (in part) because he didn't smack Obama as hard as he should have? Yes. Is he squishy on some things and out-and-out lefty on others? Yes.
Does that mean I'm going to condemn him for smashing Obama's bag now?
No. Fire for effect.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 18, 2014 12:00 PM (fwARV)
Yes, the RF army is following Putin's orders. We have no control over Putin's decisions ... we can only control decisions made in the US. And so far Obama and Clinton's decisions suck donkey dicks.
I also was born in 1961, and spent a big chunk of my life under the threat of WWIII. And now, because I do not want to start that insane crap up again, you are calling me a "symp doofus" and accusing me of being a Russian agent?
Fuck off you stupid little retard. I am done with you.
Posted by: Kristophr at March 18, 2014 12:00 PM (c6N69)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 18, 2014 12:01 PM (bitz6)
Posted by: Paul Krugman at March 18, 2014 12:01 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 18, 2014 12:01 PM (Hx5uv)
News to me Putin didn't have control over the forces that invaded Ukraine.
So yeah, I have things plenty straight. You're a symp doofus.
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 18, 2014 03:55 PM (eytER)
Oh puhleeze, John. You understood what Kristophr was saying. No need for the circular firing squads, or the nitpicking.....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 18, 2014 12:01 PM (GsebS)
Posted by: D-Lamp at March 18, 2014 12:01 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Jean at March 18, 2014 12:01 PM (Aqvh6)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 18, 2014 12:01 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Moderate Anti-Human AI at March 18, 2014 12:02 PM (0cMkb)
Posted by: Beagle at March 18, 2014 12:02 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: tasker at March 18, 2014 12:02 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 18, 2014 12:02 PM (slXFW)
Weasel Zippers:
That Polish leader has balls. He is worth saving.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2014 03:49 PM (t3UFN)<<<
So, who's got some nukes we can buy???
Posted by: Polish President at March 18, 2014 12:02 PM (89/+j)
Posted by: tasker at March 18, 2014 12:03 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 18, 2014 12:03 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: DangerGirl at March 18, 2014 12:03 PM (GrtrJ)
I'm a big fan of losers disappearing.
Posted by: Biff Boffo at March 18, 2014 03:59 PM (YmPwQ)
So no more Palin. For that matter, we never should have had President Lincoln. How many times was he a 'loser' before winning?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 18, 2014 12:03 PM (fwARV)
I always said that Obama was FDR's heir
Posted by: Paul Krugman at March 18, 2014 04:01 PM (aTXUx)
The problem for TFG is the very culture amongst his base that has been carefully created since then...to mobilize an American military at the same mass as WWII is damn nigh impossible now, because of all simpering twits that voted for TFG will be out burning their draft cards.
Posted by: Country Singer at March 18, 2014 12:03 PM (L8r/r)
Obama did just that with supreme haughty arrogance. So it is entirely appropriate that he be criticized on his results.
However, I'm sure Mitt Romney is relieved that you approve of his essay.
Posted by: Adjoran at March 18, 2014 12:03 PM (QIQ6j)
Posted by: Mainah at March 18, 2014 12:04 PM (659DL)
Posted by: RWC at March 18, 2014 12:04 PM (fWAjv)
Good point, and very well put. I may have to steal that "steering wheel" line some time.
Posted by: Splunge at March 18, 2014 12:04 PM (qyomX)
Posted by: Country Singer at March 18, 2014 03:51 PM (L8r/r)
Would the NATO issue come into play, though, if Russia does not, in fact, harass the countries themselves? For instance, when we provide weapons or food or what have you to certain nations, or opposition forces in other places, it doesn't get NATO involved (that I'm aware of). So if Poland, for example, were to send shipments of "food" to Kiev to aid their fight against Russia, how does that involve NATO? If Poland doesn't call for NATO involvement?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 18, 2014 12:05 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 12:05 PM (A/QWH)
Russians are very racist, I think its a short dick issue. Not as bad as Koreans or Japanese, or Brazilians (were not racist, the blacks are happy living in the slums, so we let them).
Posted by: Jean at March 18, 2014 12:05 PM (Aqvh6)
>>>>Fuck off you stupid little retard. I am done with you.
Bwahahaha gonna be a nice widening split on the way to the perfek waive elekshun of 2016, innit
FWIW, right there with you.
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 18, 2014 12:05 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: HR at March 18, 2014 12:05 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: D-Lamp at March 18, 2014 12:05 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Mainah at March 18, 2014 12:05 PM (659DL)
Posted by: Chicago Vota at March 18, 2014 12:06 PM (3T0tP)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 18, 2014 12:06 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: thunderb at March 18, 2014 12:06 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 18, 2014 12:07 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 18, 2014 12:07 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: Barky O'Genius at March 18, 2014 12:07 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: tasker at March 18, 2014 12:07 PM (RJMhd)
I always said that Obama was FDR's heir
Posted by: Paul Krugman
Are you going to let Curtis Le May, III flatten the worlds infrastructure too.
Posted by: Jean at March 18, 2014 12:07 PM (Aqvh6)
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 12:08 PM (A/QWH)
Posted by: Roy at March 18, 2014 12:08 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Chicago Vota at March 18, 2014 12:08 PM (3T0tP)
having chosen to do his master;s bidding, he needs to STFU and just go away to wherever useless RINO fucktards go to die.
f him and anyone stupid enough to listen to his blatherings, even for a moment.
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 18, 2014 12:09 PM (q+fqH)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 18, 2014 04:01 PM (bitz6)
Then we should just shutter every conservative pundit, publication, and blog, because none of them successfully ran for office, so all of their bloviating is worthless. Fuck Drudge.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 18, 2014 12:09 PM (4df7R)
We forgot about the rest of the steps - conduct status review, command review, and hang them.
Posted by: Jean at March 18, 2014 12:09 PM (Aqvh6)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 18, 2014 12:10 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 18, 2014 12:10 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 12:10 PM (A/QWH)
Posted by: RWC at March 18, 2014 12:10 PM (fWAjv)
That's a grey area, but those countries are getting antsy, since they've seen this movie before. It depends on what Putin does, and whether it will be considered "an armed attack."
Posted by: Country Singer at March 18, 2014 12:10 PM (L8r/r)
Posted by: D-Lamp at March 18, 2014 12:10 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: thunderb at March 18, 2014 12:11 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: tasker at March 18, 2014 12:11 PM (RJMhd)
OMG I just watched the Denver news air a dick pic about five times in a row. Hilarious.
Somebody said this morning that they showed a dick in coverage of the Seattle helicopter thingie.
It must be National Show a Dick on Local News day.
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 18, 2014 12:11 PM (JtwS4)
Nah, that's too much work.
Posted by: soothsayer and his robot buddy at March 18, 2014 04:08 PM (A/QWH)
Go for it, chief.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 18, 2014 12:11 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 18, 2014 12:11 PM (T0NGe)
Former Louisiana governor and convicted felon Edwin Edwards[D], 86, says he will he run for Congress. He is aiming for the seat held by Bill Cassidy [R-LA] who is running for the Senate.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 18, 2014 12:12 PM (YYElT)
I never understood the shit he got for that, the math is simple - Who has the most nukes pointed at you? First priority, don't get nuked, Second priority, hugs.
Posted by: Jean at March 18, 2014 12:12 PM (Aqvh6)
Posted by: Soona at March 18, 2014 03:13 PM (sx5Tc)"
I don't think that they would be up for taking over. For one thing it is a long way from there to here and I am not sure that they really have the force projection capability to do that at this time.
What would be in Russia's interest, though would be either a civil war or for the United States to break up into several component parts. If I were Putin, I would let it be known to every governor that Russia will supply him with a couple of dozen nukes if he wanted to secede. It would certainly suit Putin if the United States were divided into several mutually hostile nuclear armed independent nations.
Hell, for all I know, this is Putin and Obama's ultimate long term goal. What would Obama be doing differently if it were his plan?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at March 18, 2014 12:12 PM (PD6iL)
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2014 12:12 PM (VhqUZ)
Posted by: thunderb at March 18, 2014 12:12 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 18, 2014 04:05 PM (4df7R)
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I think you've just stumbled on to a great idea. What if the NATO countries used troops to distribute food shipments in Ukraine. Would Russia invade with them there? I doubt it.
Posted by: Soona at March 18, 2014 12:12 PM (sx5Tc)
Posted by: tasker at March 18, 2014 12:12 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: thunderb at March 18, 2014 12:12 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 18, 2014 04:11 PM (JtwS4)
*furiously changing channels*
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at March 18, 2014 12:13 PM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Splunge at March 18, 2014 12:13 PM (qyomX)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2014 12:13 PM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Yes it sucks at March 18, 2014 12:13 PM (ODaO0)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 18, 2014 12:14 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: thunderb at March 18, 2014 12:14 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 18, 2014 04:11 PM (JtwS4)
I'm thinking the Denver dick pic is the same dick pic from Seattle.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 18, 2014 12:14 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 18, 2014 12:14 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: tasker at March 18, 2014 12:15 PM (RJMhd)
oy. RT @mike_giglio: Young soldier at Ukrainian army camp near Russian border: "is it true America won't help us?"
Posted by: AmishDude at March 18, 2014 04:11 PM (T0NGe)"
The kindest thing for us to do would be to send airplanes to do sky writing over Ukraine, spelling out in Cyrilic, "You're fucked".
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at March 18, 2014 12:15 PM (PD6iL)
Posted by: thunderb at March 18, 2014 12:15 PM (zOTsN)
And if he'd just take some of that money he has and work at dismantling the one party media we have in this nation, I would also regard that as helpful.
Posted by: D-Lamp at March 18, 2014 04:05 PM (bb5+k)
Have you considered writing him with that proposal? It can't hurt to try.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Four Outrages, get a Rightous Indignation Free! at March 18, 2014 12:16 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at March 18, 2014 12:17 PM (vVMIQ)
Posted by: thunderb at March 18, 2014 12:17 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: RWC at March 18, 2014 12:18 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2014 12:18 PM (t3UFN)
Romney's opinions are pointless. You have to fight and win the election before your opinions become policy.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 18, 2014 04:01 PM (bitz6)
Why are you still typing here?
Sarc/
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Four Outrages, get a Rightous Indignation Free! at March 18, 2014 12:18 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Jean at March 18, 2014 12:18 PM (Aqvh6)
Posted by: Chillin the most at March 18, 2014 12:18 PM (gxtMZ)
lmao--wtf? Posted by: tasker at March 18, 2014 04:07 PM (RJMhd)
NOTE: NOT SAFE FOR WORK
Denver KDVR Airs Giant Dick Pic Live
http://tinyurl.com/or7f4fw
Posted by: DangerGirl at March 18, 2014 12:18 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: mrp at March 18, 2014 12:19 PM (JBggj)
Drop the metaphor and nobody gets hurt.
Posted by: The Armed Punster[/i][/b][/s] at March 18, 2014 12:20 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: IrishEd at March 18, 2014 12:21 PM (D0NZx)
Posted by: D-Lamp at March 18, 2014 12:21 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 18, 2014 12:25 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at March 18, 2014 12:26 PM (dvRYt)
Posted by: tasker at March 18, 2014 12:27 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 18, 2014 12:27 PM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 18, 2014 12:27 PM (ov2D7)
Posted by: Biff Boffo at March 18, 2014 12:27 PM (fRHUc)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 18, 2014 12:28 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 18, 2014 12:32 PM (r7mtu)
Posted by: panzernashorn at March 18, 2014 12:34 PM (/vO0r)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2014 12:35 PM (t3UFN)
I work with some Indians who live in Bombay, and guess what THEY all call it?
BOMBAY.
Man, this PC bullshit is a worldwide scourge.
Posted by: Beverly at March 18, 2014 12:38 PM (o+rUT)
Getting rid of the A-10's.
Yep, cause where this goes, there ain't gonna be any tanks to defeat.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 18, 2014 12:39 PM (si68n)
Posted by: Joe Biden at March 18, 2014 12:41 PM (S+el1)
Posted by: Jen at March 18, 2014 12:45 PM (JqB3t)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 18, 2014 12:46 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at March 18, 2014 12:55 PM (OPzNA)
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 18, 2014 01:11 PM (5xmd7)
Posted by: panzernashorn at March 18, 2014 01:15 PM (/vO0r)
Posted by: panzernashorn at March 18, 2014 01:27 PM (/vO0r)
Posted by: Havildar - Major at March 18, 2014 01:28 PM (kduZC)
Posted by: panzernashorn at March 18, 2014 01:51 PM (/vO0r)
Yep, Mitt Romney clearly cheated by kicking everyone else's asses in the Republican nomination debates. What a cheater!! - He shouldn't have been aloud to even speak at those things! Am I right or am I right?
And then that part where Romney amassed an overwhelming number of delegates in the nomination process (he had over 1,570 and his next nearest rival, Santorum didn't have 250): that was obviously more pure cheating.
Any of the other nominees should have been allowed to secure the nomination by getting to 200. Romney should have been required to get 1,000,000 before he was considered. Damn cheater that was!
And you know else we know that Romney cheated in the Republican debates because he cheated again when he kicked Obama's ass in that first Presidential debate. Yep, pure cheating again.
I wonder how many people are smart enough to figure out that winning an election is not like winning a baseball game?
Unlike in a baseball game, the spectators (voters) get a massive (dare I say majority?) say in the victor.
You see, folks, voters are FREE to vote anyway they please. - They can even vote for blatant stupidity.
Just how do you think we got Obama in the first place, geniuses?
- Meh.
Posted by: _Dave_ at March 18, 2014 02:10 PM (07UzX)
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 18, 2014 02:25 PM (5xmd7)
Chris,
You have done an excellent job of pointing out Romney's egregious cheating.
What an unfair player he is!
And you are right, everyone who saw that first debate on domestic policy laughed at Romney for taking it easy on Obama.
Romney virtually laid down and let Obama walk all over him!
I'm with you, man. The best way to determine the Republican nominee is to stamp our feet, stick our fingers in our ears and complain about how "unfair" the process is!
We should always talk about how politics isn't "fair". - That's the winning ticket Every Single Time.
When they hear you whine, the voters are sure to be inspired to hand you the keys to the Oval Office.
I just feel so bad for all those Republican nominees because Romney so clearly cheated them out of the nomination.
And it's SOOOOOOOO OBVIOUS that ANYONE ELSE would have defeated Obama in a Super Wave Landslide!
Only Romney could lose in 2012.
Sheesh.
Posted by: _Dave_ at March 18, 2014 02:32 PM (07UzX)
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 18, 2014 02:37 PM (5xmd7)
Chris,
Since you're at it, could you please cite some more lame ass excuses why somebody else besides Romney didn't win the Republican nomination?
And if you would, please explain and even emphasize how Romney played unfair in the nomination process.
It just inspires so much confidence and brings forth so much insight to hear someone endlessly complain about how unfair the political process is.
Posted by: _Dave_ at March 18, 2014 02:38 PM (07UzX)
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 18, 2014 02:40 PM (5xmd7)
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 18, 2014 02:41 PM (5xmd7)
I'm not a Mittbot, dude. And I acknowledge that you're on my side.
I voted for Romney because he was on the ticket against Obama. Period.
I would have voted for Dr. Koo-Koo Bananas himself (Ron Paul) if he had been on the ticket.
But claiming that Romney was somehow or in anyway unjustly made the nominee is beyond astonishing.
And before that, it's an utter waste of time.
Posted by: _Dave_ at March 18, 2014 02:41 PM (07UzX)
Chris,
Do you realize how utterly un-serious you sound?
A conservative doesn't have to have wanted Romney as the nominee to realize that he's no crook.
Posted by: _Dave_ at March 18, 2014 02:44 PM (07UzX)
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 18, 2014 02:45 PM (5xmd7)
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 18, 2014 02:47 PM (5xmd7)
Chris,
In all honesty, if the 2012 nomination process was so traumatic for you to see Romney beat whoever your guy was that you have concluded that Romney is a crook and that there was grand Republican-establishment conspiracy at work in Iowa, etc.: then the trauma has warped your mind.
You have lost perspective.
I can respect that you think someone else would have fared better against Obama in the general.
But if you have concluded (based on the nomination process or anything else) that Romney is corrupt, then (at least on this particular topic): You Are Out To Lunch.
- And I, a fellow conservative, am just trying to alert you to that fact.
Posted by: _Dave_ at March 18, 2014 02:49 PM (07UzX)
Posted by: Aristotle at March 18, 2014 02:53 PM (zV3MH)
I can only urge you to consider that the issues you cite that disturb you and cause you to cry "corruption" are nowhere near sufficient to amount to a credible argument that there was corruption.
I followed the nomination process too. I am familiar with all the issues you cite. I'm not going to relive them with you. They were not cases of corruption. Sometimes they were minor discrepancies. And sometimes they were failures by OTHER candidate's campaigns to do basic due diligence in competing for the nomination. None of these things were in anyway indications that Romney is a crook or even slightly corrupt.
It is plain that seeing Romney get the nomination was more than you could bare.
And that has caused you (and some others) to believe the fix was in.
Hopefully you will have clearer understanding in the next Republican nomination process. Or hopefully next time your preferred candidate will win.
Me? I'm in favor of Zombie Reagan 2016.
Posted by: _Dave_ at March 18, 2014 02:58 PM (07UzX)
Posted by: plithy at March 18, 2014 02:59 PM (PAry6)
You know Chris, your post at #540 says it all doesn't it?
You really are bitter.
Do you think it hurts my feelings (or anyone else's) that you would call Romney a "loser"?
I have no personal connection to him. Nonetheless, I am quite sure this man you have described as a corrupt crook is doing quite well as human beings go.
A good, decent man who has achieved a great deal in his life.
You obviously have no idea how petty you sound in calling him a "loser".
Why don't you try to face this: the Republican nomination process for the 2012 presidential election really hurt/traumatized you. That's pretty clear.
And now as a result, you would like to 'hurt back' those who supported Romney.
- It's very petty, and it's very revealing of your character.
Posted by: _Dave_ at March 18, 2014 03:04 PM (07UzX)
Oops, sorry about that. I just realized that comment #540 was made by someone else. - "Aristotle".
But that in itself is ironic, since the ancient Greek was about as far from being petty as humanly possible.
Posted by: _Dave_ at March 18, 2014 03:06 PM (07UzX)
So let me respond to Air-Head-Stottle's idiot posting at #540.
You know, Air Head, only a true fantasist could read Romney's op-ed and imagine there is anything in it indicating that Romney was musing about 'what if' he had become president.
You know that, don't you?
Posted by: _Dave_ at March 18, 2014 03:11 PM (07UzX)
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 18, 2014 03:14 PM (5xmd7)
Nope, apparently Air-Head at comment #540 is completely without a clue as to what the op-ed actually said.
-Sigh-
Alright, Air-Head, try reading it again, and see if you can do better.
You get a gold-star if you can do more than read the title.
I'm off to dinner.
- Adios.
Posted by: _Dave_ at March 18, 2014 03:15 PM (07UzX)
Posted by: _Dave_ at March 18, 2014 03:30 PM (zV3MH)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 18, 2014 03:32 PM (ZshNr)
Wow, a whiff of _the man himself_ at #548. I suppose I am 'honored', sir.
It, after all, takes a 'special' kind of bravery to launch an attack by pretending to be someone smarter than yourself. But I suppose that must have felt safest.
No matter. I am honored to 'detect' your direct response, nonetheless.
Keep in mind that but one reason Plato is clearly superior to Aristotle is that Plato was first. (I'm sure you saw my post regarding the forms and God.)
The natural pressure to 'go wrong' was immense even for a mind as great as Aristotle's - after the first philosopher had gotten so much right. The need to be highly relevant (and therefore different) explains much.
Still, Aristotle did in fact discover syllogisms. - A superlative factor to the advancement of man's thought.
Posted by: _Dave_ at March 18, 2014 05:13 PM (07UzX)
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