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December 06, 2012

Should Rush Limbaugh Advocate a 77 Percent Tax Rate?
— Ace

Karl argues he should at Hot Air, suggesting that the GOP might have to illustrate to the public how massive our spending is by actually ratcheting up taxes to finance all this spending.

At the moment, the public is not actually confronted with the cost of the expanding government because we're currently borrowing from China to pay for it (and will do so, until China realizes we can't cover our debts, in which case we're going to try some hyperinflation (which, of course, has always worked in the past)).

Let it burn.

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1 double post! muy bueno

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 06, 2012 11:16 AM (cvHsd)

2 100%. From orbit. It's the only way.

Posted by: Comrade Pickles, loyal Party Cat at December 06, 2012 11:16 AM (86/8G)

3 The Dem position is not that everyone must be taxed fairly to pay for government. It's that the evil rich and white folks must be punished for stealing the wealth of the poor and minorities, i.e. confiscation of their ill-gotten money in the name of fairness and social justice.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 06, 2012 11:17 AM (XkWWK)

4

Double double, toil and trouble, fire burn and . . . ace double posts.

Posted by: imp at December 06, 2012 11:18 AM (UaxA0)

5 Not borrowing from China - borrowing from the Fed ie simply creating dollars.

Posted by: Mike Jonze at December 06, 2012 11:18 AM (epWQP)

6 Is this the right one?

Posted by: Methos at December 06, 2012 11:18 AM (hO9ad)

7 One of these posts is a pod person from Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Run, run!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 06, 2012 11:18 AM (DuH+r)

8 To. Be. Sure.

[/shatner]

Posted by: Comrade Pickles, loyal Party Cat at December 06, 2012 11:18 AM (86/8G)

9 J.J Sefton, in the name of fairness the State will confiscate the fruits of your labors. Where they define what is the fruits and how fair it is. Which means its completely unfair and aribitrary.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 06, 2012 11:19 AM (cvHsd)

10 If you like your 33%, you can keep your 33%.

For now.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 06, 2012 11:19 AM (QKKT0)

11 China stopped lending to us a couple of years ago when they realized their own stupidity. We've been running the printing presses at 105% since.

Posted by: EC at December 06, 2012 11:19 AM (GQ8sn)

12 yeah a good chunk of that debt is being borrowed from thin air.

Posted by: we are so screwed, deliver us oh SMOD at December 06, 2012 11:20 AM (HEa5q)

13 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 11:20 AM (5DR1j)

14 Not borrowing from China - borrowing from the Fed ie simply creating dollars.

I wonder if anyone on the Left senses a problem with the idea of paying off your old debt by printing up new dollars to the tune of billions per month.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 06, 2012 11:21 AM (QKKT0)

15 These ideas to go to extremes (note the word) are great on paper. But they won't fly because the MFM then uses them as examples of 'extremism' and 'not being serious' about solving problems.

Once again, the MFM controls.

LiB

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 06, 2012 11:21 AM (zpqa2)

16 Mostly @11, but negotiating with the Dems is like negotiating with the Joker in Dark Knight. You're already at a disadvantage if you give a fuck what happens and the other guy doesn't.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 06, 2012 11:21 AM (t06LC)

17 Ace, we've been monetizing the debt for at least the last year. I think it's been nearly 2.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 11:21 AM (5DR1j)

18 Fiat money, baby. It's every bit as sound as the car!

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at December 06, 2012 11:22 AM (QKKT0)

That's how things have been going for a while, I think. I saw some number showing that the Fed owned an absurdly high percentage of all duration on our outstanding bonds.

Posted by: OCBill at December 06, 2012 11:22 AM (VCCXE)

20 That is not the right approach as the rich typically earn very little by way of income. Nope, I say we institute a personal property tax federally which is to include all investments. Then you would here Buffet and the rest be against tax increases I think a 50% tax rate on this personal property if you are worth more than $500,000 in property.

Posted by: Mekan at December 06, 2012 11:22 AM (hm8tW)

It's that the evil rich and white folks must be punished for stealing the wealth of the poor and minorities

What wealth would that be, anyway?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 06, 2012 11:22 AM (4u2LN)

22 If that 77% is from the first dollar of income, I'd support it at this point. Pain is the only cure to the stupidity we've engaged in.

As to China, they don't buy our debt any more, the Fed thinks it's clever by monetizing monthly issuance. The problem (aside from inflation) is there's $16 trillion of paper already floating around that could depreciate in a hurry and beyond the Fed's influence.

Posted by: Methos at December 06, 2012 11:22 AM (hO9ad)

Fuck it. Let's burn this thing! We'll burn it live!

Posted by: fluffy at December 06, 2012 11:22 AM (4pSIn)

24 I wonder if anyone on the Left senses a problem with the idea of paying off your old debt by printing up new dollars to the tune of billions per month.

No. They believe that the Fed "prints money." They do not comprehend the difference between currency and money.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 11:22 AM (5DR1j)

25 Posted by: EC at December 06, 2012 03:19 PM (GQ8sn) Well then give me 115%

Posted by: cajun carrot at December 06, 2012 11:23 AM (UZQM8)

26 Doesn't any one get the first rule of government budgeting - we make the money thus we can always pay for it!

Posted by: Penfold at December 06, 2012 11:23 AM (Fbt5B)

27 At the moment, the public is not actually confronted with the cost of the expanding government because we're currently borrowing from China to pay for it (and will do so, until China realizes we can't cover our debts, in which case we're going to try some hyperinflation (which, of course, has always worked in the past)).

China quit loaning us money 2 years ago and started selling our bonds when we started monetizing the debt. Currently the treasury issues bonds and the fed buys them. IOW we are simply printing money.

Zimbabe/Argentina here we come.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 11:23 AM (YdQQY)

It's as though millions of pixels cried out in anguish, and were suddenly silenced.

I fear something terrible has happened.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 06, 2012 11:23 AM (yiIja)

29 I wonder if anyone on the Left senses a problem with the idea of paying off your old debt by printing up new dollars to the tune of billions per month.

What do you mean? I still have checks in my checkbook don't I? That means I still got money in the bank!!!

Posted by: Private Peggy Josephy - Free Shit Army 99th Confiscation Regiment at December 06, 2012 11:23 AM (GQ8sn)

30 Effectively, we're taking out cash advances on our credit cards to make our minimum payments on all our other credit cards. As long as we can keep getting more credit cards until infinity, this should work awesome. Not sure that's how things work though.

Posted by: OCBill at December 06, 2012 11:23 AM (VCCXE)

31 I kind of like that Idea. I think blue states get fucked the most since they all have high state income taxes. a good chunk of red states don't have an income tax. just killing the city/state income tax deduction fucks democrats.

Posted by: we are so screwed, deliver us oh SMOD at December 06, 2012 11:23 AM (HEa5q)

32 I think it would be better to push for a wealth tax, rich liberals are driving a lot of this with their "tax me more" schtick, well, let's tax them more but let's tax them where it hurts which is their wealth, not their income. Take all that money they have sitting around that currently can't be touched and they'll start singing a different tune about income taxes because if you take their wealth they'll need that income.

Posted by: booger at December 06, 2012 11:24 AM (HI6wa)

33 LOL, I see several others hit this before I posted.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 11:24 AM (YdQQY)

34 I wonder if anyone on the Left senses a problem with the idea of paying off your old debt by printing up new dollars to the tune of billions per month. --- Nope, they don't know too much about history or economics. They don't care about Weimar Germany, Argentina, or Zimbabwe.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 06, 2012 11:24 AM (e0xKF)

35 I linked Pat O'Brien's filthy voicemail messages, just for fun.

Posted by: ace at December 06, 2012 11:24 AM (LCRYB)

36 Of course, this isn't even "Let it burn." This would be "Burn it down."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 11:24 AM (5DR1j)

37 Lately when I listen to Rush, I'm being led to believe that the only institution worth defending is football. I get that his nose is out of joint after the Rams debacle, but I really could care less about the fate of hyperthyroid steroid-pumping mutants.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 06, 2012 11:24 AM (Ec6wH)

38 Why stop at 77%? Hell, lets go for 90% and tell everyone we are going to erase the debt this way.

If it was across the board, I'd support it even though I'd pay hundreds of thousands more per year. It would be worth it just to fuck over those assholes who voted for this shit in the first place.

Practically speaking though, it would land on the "privileged" two percent. The Obamaphone crowd wouldn't pay a dime.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 06, 2012 11:24 AM (QKKT0)

11 I don't give a shit what Rush Limbaugh advocates.

I'm having trouble forgetting about how Rush told us all that "Anyone could beat Obama!"

Because...we're supposed to forget about that now, right?

Posted by: wheatie at December 06, 2012 11:25 AM (CM59X)

40 I told Betsy you were into her. You have to be into Betsy.

Posted by: Pat O'Brien, Calling From 2006 at December 06, 2012 11:25 AM (LCRYB)

41 At least with a Fiat, you can point to a car. Until the morning dew makes the car rust to dust.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 06, 2012 11:25 AM (cvHsd)

42 Not borrowing from China - borrowing from the Fed ie simply creating dollars.

Posted by: Mike Jonze at December 06, 2012 03:18 PM (epWQP)

Hyperinflation on the front end.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 06, 2012 11:26 AM (bb5+k)

Ok, so I need to get this off my chest...

In the last two weeks, both my father and brother have stated that they are not happy about paying higher taxes. But...wait for it...both them and their spouses voted for Obama and Prop 30 out here in California. Now, I just look at them and shake my head. My father is looking to retire in the next two years...yea, right. My brother has a baby on the way. I just shake my head and say "let them have what they voted for". It's obvious that people, even smart ones, don't believe fat meat is greasy.

Let it burn!

Posted by: I Be That Chick at December 06, 2012 11:26 AM (rLMKB)

Go ahead. Do it. And advocate the repeal of the Hollywood tax cuts, too. And the shut down of all loopholes, deductions, and other tax "dodges." Go whole hog. Make the Dems defend NOT going all in. Make them explain to the American people why a 77% tax rate is a bad economic idea. MAKE THEM EXPLAIN IT.

But the Republicans won't do it. *sigh*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/b][/i][/u] at December 06, 2012 11:26 AM (4df7R)

45 Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 06, 2012 11:26 AM (UK9cE)

46 It's that the evil rich and white folks must be punished Pop Quiz: What group of people has historically been considered rich and evil, with relatively pale skin? When I say "historically", how about you just go back to the 20th century. {cue Jeopardy theme}

Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at December 06, 2012 11:26 AM (bSsXM)

47 I think a 50% tax rate on this personal property if you are worth more than $500,000 in property.

Posted by: Mekan at December 06, 2012 03:22 PM (hm8tW)

And that will effectivly destroy most small businesses and family farms who look "rich" on paper.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 06, 2012 11:27 AM (t06LC)

48 Wait a sec....what about those platinum $1 trillion dollar coins the Fed was thinking about making?

This could work!

Posted by: EC at December 06, 2012 11:27 AM (GQ8sn)

49 The old saying that the only sure things in life are death and taxes is not true for 47% so you won't get their attention no matter how high the taxes go.

Posted by: Decaf at December 06, 2012 11:27 AM (TnBUi)

50 From the last thread;

>>>>>People quite literally believe that Federal money is magic and just
appears, ex nihilo. Trying to explain that it doesn't is like trying to
explain how to parallel park to me.<<<<<

Some people believe that a dollar has value because someone earned it, other people believe a dollar has value because the government printed it.

Unfortunately, the latter are in charge right now.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at December 06, 2012 11:27 AM (BF5Y9)

51 let it burn

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 06, 2012 11:27 AM (GVxQo)

Hell...let's go for eliminating the Charitable Deduction too.

That's how Hollywood people avoid paying their taxes.

Let them burn too.

Posted by: wheatie at December 06, 2012 11:27 AM (CM59X)

53 @33 That's one of the reasons I get so angry when Barky the Teflon Preezy spews forth his repetitious "two wars on a credit card" crap.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 06, 2012 11:28 AM (m+tYV)

54 Pop Quiz: What group of people has historically been considered rich and evil, with relatively pale skin? When I say "historically", how about you just go back to the 20th century. {cue Jeopardy theme}

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 06, 2012 03:26 PM (bSsXM)

OOH! OOH! I know! *waving hand in the air*

The JEWS!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/b][/i][/u] at December 06, 2012 11:28 AM (4df7R)

55 Raise taxes a few points on the rich = feel good checkbox

"Cut" spending a gazillion dollars stretched out to infinity (which is not even a cut at all, just pretend money we were "planning on spending")

Win for everyone

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 06, 2012 11:28 AM (zpqa2)

56 The problem is we have a dysfunctional political culture. The left wins elections by pandering to the 42 percent and promising more and more free stuff, and the right panders to those who want low taxes. Put the two together, and what do you have? $16 trillion in debt! The only time in recent memory when it wasn't dysfunctional (at least in terms of increasing debt) was when we had two dysfunctional leaders, the pragmatist polyamorizer Bill Clinton and the, well, pragmatist polyamorizer Newt Gingrich. Both were too bright for their own damn good, and neither one had any real scruples, and it was a beautiful thing! A balanced budget! An actual surplus. Clearly, then, the remedy is to elect brilliant but dysfunctional leaders and hope for a divided government. They won't hold to their principles because they don't have any, but maybe they will rush to the middle and save the damn republic.

Posted by: Cricket at December 06, 2012 11:28 AM (DrC22)

57 If you put a steak on your ass, it would be medium well in 30 seconds.

Does that line work?

Posted by: © Sponge at December 06, 2012 11:28 AM (UK9cE)

58 Last year, the Obama administration and State Department promoted the Global Counterterrorism Forum, but acquiesced to TurkeyÂ’s demand that Israel be excluded from the forum. Apparently, as seen by his repeated endorsements of Hamas, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan believes that terrorism is always bad, unless directed at Israelis. Last July, Rick Richman and Jonathan Tobin noted that long after Secretary Clinton had promised to do what was necessary to win IsraelÂ’s inclusion, forum meetings were going ahead without the Jewish stateÂ’s presence. Well, itÂ’s happened again. According to CNSÂ’s Patrick Goodenough, the State Department has acquiesced to the forum again excluding Israel. Goodenough reports, Â“Six months after the Obama administration said it was Â‘committedÂ’ to involving Israel in its flagship international counter-terrorism initiative, there has evidently been little progressÂ….Â” The issue is not simply IsraelÂ’s exclusion, or the State DepartmentÂ’s belief that more intolerant states like Lebanon and Turkey might stay away if Israelis were at the same forum. Rather, the problem is that these radicals believe that U.S. acquiescence to their refusal to allow IsraelÂ’s inclusion is an implicit U.S. endorsement of their drive to delegitimize Israel completely. ClintonÂ’s refusal to pull the carpet out from under the meeting by putting U.S. participation on the line not only undercuts global counter-terrorism by signaling that terrorism against Israel neednÂ’t be on the table, but also convinces the Erdoğans of the world that momentum is on their side. Fuck obama, hillary, and the entire State Department. And fuck all the liberal Jews who voted for obama

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 06, 2012 11:28 AM (79ueO)

59 Since we are just borrowing our own money and monetizing it anyway.............0% tax rate and we will just spend whatever we want. I mean, its only paper and printing press ink so why not?

I've lost track of how many times I've seen liberals make that comment. Except they meant it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 06, 2012 11:28 AM (SY2Kh)

60 I wonder if anyone on the Left senses a problem with the idea of paying off your old debt by printing up new dollars to the tune of billions per month.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 06, 2012 03:21 PM (QKKT0)

No, they don't. I recall talking to one several years ago who said: " This claim that the government doesn't have enough money is bullshit. Anyone that owns a printing press can make as much money as they want. "

Yes, they are THAT stupid.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 06, 2012 11:28 AM (bb5+k)

61 It's that the evil rich and white folks must be punished

I just love this Heinlein quote:

Â“Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded -- here and there, now and then -- are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as 'bad luck.'Â”

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 06, 2012 11:28 AM (QKKT0)

62 Ok, so I need to get this off my chest...

The sound you just heard is a hundred morons scrambling over each other trying to help you get it 'off your chest'.

Posted by: EC at December 06, 2012 11:29 AM (GQ8sn)

63 >>>Let it burn. Let's do this. Let's get crazy.

Well if they can't learn from history books, then it's time for a more practical refresher lesson.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 06, 2012 11:29 AM (0q2P7)

64 9-9-9 looks kinda silly now doesn't it?

Posted by: sTevo at December 06, 2012 11:29 AM (SLhOh)

65 OOH! OOH! I know! *waving hand in the air*

The JEWS!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 06, 2012 03:28 PM (4df7R)

I hope you bet it all.

Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at December 06, 2012 11:29 AM (bSsXM)

66 Ok, so I need to get this off my chest...

In the last two weeks, both my father and brother have stated that they are not happy about paying higher taxes. But...wait for it...both them and their spouses voted for Obama and Prop 30 out here in California. Now, I just look at them and shake my head. My father is looking to retire in the next two years...yea, right. My brother has a baby on the way. I just shake my head and say "let them have what they voted for". It's obvious that people, even smart ones, don't believe fat meat is greasy.

Let it burn!
Posted by: I Be That Chick at December 06, 2012 03:26 PM (rLMKB)

Have you looked at them and remind them that elections have consequences?

YOU ASKED FOR THIS!!!! OWN IT!

Posted by: © Sponge at December 06, 2012 11:29 AM (UK9cE)

67 He continued, "There are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy."

Bullshit. It doesn't matter how you suck value out of the economy, it's all bad and in this case largely the same way.

Build a bridge out of it.

Posted by: Methos at December 06, 2012 11:30 AM (hO9ad)

Nobody is talking about cutting spending, or removing government departments, cutting regulations, or reducing the size and expense of government at all (all of which would encourage the creation of wealth and tax revenue). That's all "extreme" and shit.

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 06, 2012 11:30 AM (yiIja)

69 Imagine the slow burn of the Roman peasant, the centurion, the Germanic mercenary, when they understood the silver content of their denarii to be naught, their grain, confiscated or unaffordable, slavery preferable to farming. When Alaric sacked Rome in 410, what were they arguing about in the Senate? Feathered hats?
DangerGirl you can find me at Goodreads. I owe you and Ace.

Posted by: DCBourone at December 06, 2012 11:30 AM (7J6t/)

Posted by: EC at December 06, 2012 03:29 PM (GQ8sn)

LOL!

Posted by: I Be That Chick at December 06, 2012 11:30 AM (rLMKB)

71 Let It Burn-- pffffft as *if* we have a choice in the matter. What the hell was that Valley Girl movie?

Posted by: tasker at December 06, 2012 11:30 AM (r2PLg)

72 As to China, they don't buy our debt any more, the Fed thinks it's clever by monetizing monthly issuance. The problem (aside from inflation) is there's $16 trillion of paper already floating around that could depreciate in a hurry and beyond the Fed's influence.

Posted by: Methos at December 06, 2012 03:22 PM (hO9ad)

Amen! And along with it, everything you currently have in savings.

They are stealing the value of dollars that have already been earned. They are thieves.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 06, 2012 11:30 AM (bb5+k)

73 YOU WANNA GET NUTS? Come on let's get nuts!

Posted by: Bruce Wayne at December 06, 2012 11:31 AM (UgWn4)

74 Judging by the inclusion of Pat O'Brien, you are getting into that vacation spirit Have a wonderful vacation with Christina Hendricks in the shade on a beach with tropical drinks and warm breezes. And a good book. And no intertubes.

Posted by: Thunderb at December 06, 2012 11:31 AM (Dnbau)

75 I haven't read all the comments but, has any one noted that China isn't buying our debt yet?

Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at December 06, 2012 11:31 AM (QupBk)

76 I hope you bet it all.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 06, 2012 03:29 PM (bSsXM)

I did, but all I have in my wallet is some dust and an old lottery ticket.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/b][/i][/u] at December 06, 2012 11:31 AM (4df7R)

77 Is there some source that tracks how much they print every month?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at December 06, 2012 11:32 AM (SO2Q8)

78 Have you looked at them and remind them that elections have consequences? YOU ASKED FOR THIS!!!! OWN IT! Posted by: Â© Sponge at December 06, 2012 03:29 PM (UK9cE) ________________ ...which is why-- "Let it burn" doesn't exactly work. It assumes responsibility--and when you assume responsibility in the MSM World-- you get--The Blame.

Posted by: tasker at December 06, 2012 11:32 AM (r2PLg)

79 They don't care about Weimar Germany, Argentina, or Zimbabwe. This time is different, dontcha know, because the Dems control the horizontal and the vertical.

Posted by: jakeman at December 06, 2012 11:32 AM (96M6e)

80 As Slim "Major Kong" Pickens eloquently put it: YEEEEEEE HAWWW!

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 06, 2012 11:32 AM (sGU4F)

81 Fix It Again Barack. At least Fiat made what resembles a car. O'Bumbles just destroys things. Hope among them.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at December 06, 2012 11:32 AM (ndlFj)

82 If you like your 33%, you can keep your 33%.

Nice channeling of Obama on the math there.

Funny how I'm "rich" and "privileged" because I'm white but he's "downtrodden" because he's black. I'm so tired of that shit.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, ray of sunshine at December 06, 2012 11:32 AM (/kI1Q)

83 Well Well Well, the censors on Holiday at Ace's place.....Baynor gets slammed by conservative's and we know who we are , but what about the lethargic?

Posted by: Clemenza at December 06, 2012 11:32 AM (PGbvn)

84 Ex nihilo bitches. Let's show them otherwise.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Shipping Sheldon/Penny right to the end. at December 06, 2012 11:33 AM (VtjlW)

85 I think it would be better to push for a wealth tax, rich liberals are driving a lot of this with their "tax me more" schtick, well, let's tax them more but let's tax them where it hurts which is their wealth, not their income. Take all that money they have sitting around that currently can't be touched and they'll start singing a different tune about income taxes because if you take their wealth they'll need that income.

Posted by: booger at December 06, 2012 03:24 PM (HI6wa)

It is long past the point where we should have been using targeted tax increases to hurt these people financially. They want communism? Let's give them communism! Them first!!!!

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 06, 2012 11:33 AM (bb5+k)

86 These stories of libtards saying "just run the presses at 105%!!!" are quite common and deadly serious. I believe someone here, maybe Ace or Andy, linked to a recent sighting a few months ago in the sidebar. I know I had a good laugh reading it.

Posted by: EC at December 06, 2012 11:33 AM (GQ8sn)

87 How about having those that pay no federal tax pay 26% of what money, EBT tranfers, etc., they do have/get?

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 06, 2012 11:34 AM (GFM2b)

88 @ 61 "polyamorizer" made me chuckle

We used to call Clinton the "Unabanger"

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 06, 2012 11:34 AM (zpqa2)

89 Your good news of the day;

>LANSING, Mich. (AP) - Police used pepper spray Thursday to subdue protesters trying to rush the Michigan state Senate after Gov. Rick Snyder and other Republican leaders announced they would press for quick approval of right-to-work legislation limiting union powers.<

http://tinyurl.com/adnsrny

Posted by: marcus at December 06, 2012 11:34 AM (GGCsk)

90 Please send baynor back to Buckeye land . He gets a full retirement and we get a cleaner snake pit...

Posted by: Clemenza at December 06, 2012 11:35 AM (PGbvn)

91 There's a dog whistle in there somewhere, I'm just sure of it.

Posted by: jakeman at December 06, 2012 11:35 AM (96M6e)

92 Darling? Light of my life? You didn't let me finish. I'm not going to hurt you. I'm just gonna tax your brains it. Gonna tax 'em right the fuck in.

Posted by: Jack Terrence at December 06, 2012 11:35 AM (sGU4F)

93 Ramming Speed!!!!

Posted by: US Mint gnomes at December 06, 2012 11:35 AM (BF5Y9)

94 That's how Hollywood people avoid paying their taxes.
Let them burn too.

Posted by: wheatie at December 06, 2012 03:27 PM (CM59X)

Throw them into the hottest part of the fire!!!!! They are the ones who stoked it!!!!

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 06, 2012 11:36 AM (bb5+k)

95 Let's go the other way. Let's zero out all our taxes and fees. Lets run the government by borrowing and printing press. What's the difference? Couple tril here and there?

Posted by: Truman North at December 06, 2012 11:36 AM (I2LwF)

96 Davey Jones Locker with the snake pit,

Posted by: Clemenza at December 06, 2012 11:37 AM (PGbvn)

97 How about having those that pay no federal tax pay 26% of what money, EBT tranfers, etc., they do have/get?

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 06, 2012 03:34 PM (GFM2b)

Heh. It'll happenw hether they like it or not. When the money well and truly isn't worth the paper it's printed on and their EBT cards end up with 26% less money on them, then 50%, then nothing, they can whoop and holler like ululating thugs. But it's not going to bring the money back.

We'll call it a tax on post-tax taxed income. They're too stupid to know it just means the gubmint's keeping the money b/c it can't afford to send it out anymore.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/b][/i][/u] at December 06, 2012 11:37 AM (4df7R)

98 re: "At the moment, the public is not actually confronted with the cost of the expanding government"

We are. But you can't explain it to anybody.

"Your house assessment got jacked up to $750k so you'd pay enough property taxes to cover your wife's part-time job at a subsidized day care center. You're in the top income tax bracket because half of your salary is a legally created guild effect. Your..."

There's a local, state, federal, and general-inflationary version of that story for almost everybody. And nobody believes it.

"I'm a productive citizen, and you're a leech."

Posted by: oblig. at December 06, 2012 11:37 AM (cePv8)

99 I'm having trouble forgetting about how Rush told us all that "Anyone could beat Obama!" Because...we're supposed to forget about that now, right? Posted by: wheatie at December 06, 2012 03:25 PM (CM59X) I think we had only 1 ACE blogger that actually predicted a JEF win, the rest, Romney, hands down. (I do not mean commenters, the offical ACE blog/co-blogger tally, along with the supporting data). Was it Gabriel? Or, Maetenloch? that was correct. None of us knew how bad the situation was. Again, look a the chart I linked in the last post. And, do read the Coulter piece, for the stats, alone. And, finally, listen to Michelle: Michelle Malkin: The right needs to stop navel gazing and start fighting the leftist radicalization of America http://tinyurl.com/cgugp8z

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 06, 2012 11:37 AM (LpQbZ)

100 ~ tap tap tap tap tap ~ This microphone is on? Yes? Oh my! Yes! Hadji is on the microphone. and so ... It is I - Hadji, the funny guy related to Hammura-bye. On my mother's side. You see what I did there? No - of course not, you Americans only know of the McDonalds and the blue jeans. The other day I was doing a talk for Rush Limbaugh - yes, that Rush Limbaugh - it was a gig as you say. The best joke was as this: Barack Obama, John Boehner, and Harry Reid are captured by the cannibals. The Barack Obama is boiled and served. Uggh. It is not tasty. The Harry Reid is sauteed and served. Ugh ... it is not tasty either. So the cook - at fear for his own skin - says "What am I doing wrong? Why is it not tasty?" So John Boehner says - as he is helpful in this way - "Cook! Do not worry - I am a Friar." Because John Boehner is helpful - even to those that would kill, cook, serve and eat him. That joke made Rush Limbaugh water his eyes like the well of Jericho. Thank you thank you thank you! If you are partaking of alcohol - you are to fear the wrath of Allah. If you are a woman and ritually defiled, you are to give Hadji the sexy look on the way out and show him your ankle. Hadji will be in Room 414 for the after Hadji party. Remember, the minimum for the drinks is two and that two is the number that is most lonely since the number one. -

Posted by: Hadji the Muslim Comic at December 06, 2012 11:37 AM (RuUvx)

101 cue gawdawful billy joel song "We didn't start the fire" with altered lyrics

Posted by: Thunderb at December 06, 2012 11:37 AM (Dnbau)

102

LANSING, Mich. (AP) - Police used pepper spray Thursday to subdue
protesters trying to rush the Michigan state Senate after Gov. Rick
Snyder and other Republican leaders announced they would press for quick
approval of right-to-work legislation limiting union powers.<

Only pepper spray? No rubber bullets or black truncheons with lead inlays?

Darn.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/b][/i][/u] at December 06, 2012 11:37 AM (4df7R)

103 >>>98 Ramming Speed!!!! How quaint... PREPARE FOR LUDICROUS SPEED!

Posted by: Lord Helmet at December 06, 2012 11:38 AM (sGU4F)

104 Nice channeling of Obama on the math there.

Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™, ray of sunshine at December 06, 2012 03:32 PM (/kI1Q)

Heh. You're the first one who noticed. I probably should have used a Barky sock.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 06, 2012 11:38 AM (QKKT0)

105 I'm just over it now. I haven't listened to Rush or read politics (outside of here) since the Lunatics took over the asylum on Nov 6. I'm just sickened. 77%? 90%? hell, 100%, let them have it all from everyone one of us....it'll hurt like hell, but I'm just sick of it all. I'm tired of fighting a 3-front war -- Democrats, Media (but I repeat myself) and our own damn party. For the GOP, there's never a good time to make a line in the sand or a hill worth dying for. Instead they compromise with the enemy time and time again in exchange for things that never come to fruition and we're told to shut up and be happy about it. I'm just sick of it all. Burn it down. My hope is that when we're putting things together from the smoldering slag heap that's left that a Democrat won't get within 100 miles of elected office for a very long time to come. On the plus side, we can all be makers *and* takers now, and get back the money stolen from us by the gubmint. LIB

Posted by: khelek at December 06, 2012 11:38 AM (n2o/t)

106 @25, love the old "Inside Edition" reference!

Posted by: Travis at December 06, 2012 11:39 AM (/gUgY)

107 If we really going to "let it burn" then we need to make sure to protect what is left of America and what it stands for, such that it will be what grow from the ashes, much like the mighty redwood tree. "The American Beauty Rose can grow in all its splendor, only by nipping the early buds that grow around it."

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 06, 2012 11:39 AM (XvHmy)

108

"She's gonna blow, Captain. I'm giving her all she can take! You'd better get the escape pods ready."

Posted by: Commander Montgomery Bernanke Scott, in the burning Printing Press Department at December 06, 2012 11:39 AM (yiIja)

109 Posted by: Hadji the Muslim Comic at December 06, 2012 03:37 PM (RuUvx)

You've been better.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 06, 2012 11:40 AM (UK9cE)

110 @ 108 thats Lansing the Home of Magic , not Detroit the future model of the Republic

Posted by: Clemenza at December 06, 2012 11:40 AM (PGbvn)

111 84 They don't care about Weimar Germany, Argentina, or Zimbabwe. This time is different, dontcha know, because the Dems control the horizontal and the vertical. --- How long until the Obama Administration tries to wheel out the OBIT machines?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 06, 2012 11:41 AM (e0xKF)

112

@103

Its like you have a fucking time machine. By the beard of Odin, a prognosticator!

We (and by "we" I mean everyone who is not a braindead marxist) need to fucking realize the blame game will go on. It will be over. We need to get over our shit and train our weapons where they belong.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 06, 2012 11:41 AM (t06LC)

113 It's with great satisfaction that I see Ace is finally a full blown member of the LIB society.

Posted by: Cashin at December 06, 2012 11:41 AM (TYEu4)

114 109 >>>98 Ramming Speed!!!! How quaint... PREPARE FOR LUDICROUS SPEED! --- Spaceball One... they've gone to plaid!

Posted by: Barf at December 06, 2012 11:41 AM (e0xKF)

115 We should do what the Huns did: Invade. Loot. Plunder. Extract yearly ransoms. Move on to next victim. The romans paid 2500 lbs a year in gold to the Hunnies!

Posted by: Walkers! at December 06, 2012 11:41 AM (e/Cti)

116 >>>I mean, its only paper and printing press ink so why not?

>>>I've lost track of how many times I've seen liberals make that comment. Except they meant it.

Yeah, and in the modern world, only a small percentage of money in circulation ever gets printed. Debit cards are going to make the coming hyperinflation much easier to stomach, no wheel-barrels needed to haul your shopping money around. Even your kids savings account from mowing lawns is so big it can't be insured by FDIC.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 06, 2012 11:42 AM (0q2P7)

117 I got distracted upthread thinking about Michelle Malkin's navel.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 06, 2012 11:42 AM (zpqa2)

118 How about the Feds stop taxing period. Let them finance all spending by printing it. Let the inflation be the direct measure of government spending. Can't hide it, we all feel it, and maybe some idiots would get a clue. Every dollar spent by the government weakens YOUR MONEY.

Posted by: Todd W at December 06, 2012 11:42 AM (gyQY/)

119 You know the thing about chaos? It's FAIR.

Posted by: The Joker at December 06, 2012 11:43 AM (sGU4F)

120 Hey 47% not paying, STFU and open your checkbook.

Posted by: dogfish at December 06, 2012 11:43 AM (N2yhW)

121 The printing presses! They've gone to Plaid!

Posted by: Cato at December 06, 2012 11:44 AM (wJWmk)

122 Didn't you see the Ed Assner narrated cartoon? It's the rich you stoopid wingnutz

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 06, 2012 11:44 AM (SkyIE)

123 Well since Ace is into-- Yacht Rock-- lately when I come here all I here is-- The Edmund Fitzgerald!!

Posted by: tasker at December 06, 2012 11:44 AM (r2PLg)

124

Howard YYEEEEAAARRRRRRRRGGGG!! Dean is saying that Everyone needs to pay more taxes.

Awesome.

Posted by: imp at December 06, 2012 11:44 AM (UaxA0)

125 You know the thing about chaos?

It's FAIR.

Posted by: The Joker at December 06, 2012 03:43 PM (sGU4F)

Speaking of which....

...where is Kratos?

Posted by: EC at December 06, 2012 11:44 AM (GQ8sn)

126

None of the Blue State kool-aid drinkers understand anything you're talking about. They *know* of a certainty that the GOP = Rayciss and Old South and you are teh OLD America and they will leave you behind and YOU need re-education and...

I'm not fooling. These are things I hear whenever they bother to talk, basically offline speech emanating from DKos or wherever. They voted against you mostly because they believed the caricature of evil.

So I dunno. I'm cool with raising rates and all but the ones who need the lesson won't get it. Instead they'll just celebrate how they are teh Future, man.

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 06, 2012 11:45 AM (3ZtZW)

127 so...naked protester freaks 'storm' the office of the Speaker of the House and I'm the one loudly espousing rhetoric and behaving like an extremist?

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 06, 2012 11:45 AM (jUytm)

128

@25, love the old "Inside Edition" reference!

Thanks! I went 0-3 yesterday.

Posted by: fluffy at December 06, 2012 11:45 AM (4pSIn)

129

@131

What was he banned for agian? Missed it.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 06, 2012 11:45 AM (t06LC)

130 Everyone in dc thinks they can inflate their way out of debt.

Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2012 11:45 AM (v9wwx)

131 "She's gonna blow, Captain. I'm giving her all she can take! You'd better get the escape pods ready."

Posted by: Commander Montgomery Bernanke Scott, in the burning Printing Press Department at December 06, 2012 03:39 PM (yiIja)

Now that's funny.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 06, 2012 11:45 AM (bb5+k)

132 You've been better. Posted by: Â© Sponge at December 06, 2012 03:40 PM _ ~ sigh ~ every body is a critic. Hadji works with what he has to work with. Should the ace bring back the Neal Diamond material and Gabriel Malor the laws of the sea Hadji will improve. Of this I am certain. And, as you say in parts of America: go fuck your mother. _ Oh, Hadji lied. The veal it is not hallal.

Posted by: Hadji the Muslim Comic at December 06, 2012 11:45 AM (RuUvx)

133

Howard YYEEEEAAARRRRRRRRGGGG!! Dean is saying that Everyone needs to pay more taxes.

Oh, good! Okay, let's get that Obamapho' lady on the pho' (see what I did there?) and tell her the good news! She gets to pay taxes like everyone else!

Right?

/sarc

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/b][/i][/u] at December 06, 2012 11:46 AM (4df7R)

134

the big lake they call Gitche Goomi

Posted by: imp at December 06, 2012 11:46 AM (UaxA0)

135 Should Rush Limbaugh Advocate a 77 Percent Tax Rate? It wouldn't matter. This is what would happen: Mitch McConnell called the SenateÂ’s bluff on ObamaÂ’s fiscal cliff proposal Mitch McConnell called the SenateÂ’s bluff on ObamaÂ’s absurd fiscal cliff proposal from last week and tried to get an up-or-down vote on it. But Harry Reid wouldnÂ’t allow it, calling it a Â‘stuntÂ’ and basically proving McConnellÂ’s point that the proposal was totally unserious. http://tinyurl.com/d8of4gd

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 06, 2012 11:46 AM (LpQbZ)

136 OT. over at Johnnie Walker.com Christina Hendricks talks about whiskey and her preferences D: I have to ask, what would Joan's Johnnie Walker drink of choice be? C: I think she would have a Manhattan. First of all, she lives in Manhattan. She's very spirited, very patriotic. So I think she would probably have a Manhattan. She'd probably like the presentation, as well. D: What impression would you get from a man who orders Johnnie Walker at the bar? C: It's sexy, and it's confident, and it's also very classic. Like I said, I like the way it looks. I like the caramel color. I like the smell. I just like that it is what it is Â— you're not necessarily mixing it with a bunch of other things to change the flavor. You are really just enjoying the flavor of the drink, and I think that is a confident choice.

Posted by: Thunderb at December 06, 2012 11:46 AM (Dnbau)

137 What was he banned for agian? Missed it.

No idea. Too much chaos?

Posted by: EC at December 06, 2012 11:46 AM (GQ8sn)

138 I noticed Boehner's purge of conservative chairman, and DeMint quitting. I think the time for conservative political power and influence is over. Just get ready for the economic collapse. No it's not the end of the world, we're just going to be like Argentina. The behavior of your neighbors will change a lot. Time to rewatch that Twilight Zone episode with the family who has a bomb shelter and neighbors who don't have one...

Posted by: Village Idiot at December 06, 2012 11:47 AM (uSWSo)

139 Oh, good! Okay, let's get that Obamapho' lady on the pho' (see what I did there?) and tell her the good news! She gets to pay taxes like everyone else!

Right?

/sarc

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 06, 2012 03:46 PM (4df7R)

Now you know she can't pay taxes because it would be racist

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 06, 2012 11:47 AM (1Jaio)

140 It all boils down to the destroyed GOP brand. They did it themselves partially, and the MFM fanned the flames. Do you think the MFM will allow the GOP brand to recover?

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 06, 2012 11:48 AM (zpqa2)

141 love the old "Inside Edition" reference! You have no idea how many libs play that clip and then sit and smirk. Conservatism discredited, mission accomplished. Never mind that conservatives hate BOR more than they do.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 06, 2012 11:48 AM (B/VB5)

142 Wealth tax, and retroactive to 2001 when Gore "should have" been president. Watch the howls of protest erupt in Seacliff, Pac Hts, the Marina, Cow Hollow....

Posted by: SFGoth at December 06, 2012 11:49 AM (dZ756)

143 Hadji the Muslim Comic LOL! Is that you, Ace?

Posted by: L is screaming, show up damn SMOD! at December 06, 2012 11:49 AM (WW8ug)

144 146 It all boils down to the destroyed GOP brand. They did it themselves partially, and the MFM fanned the flames. Do you think the MFM will allow the GOP brand to recover? Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 06, 2012 03:48 PM (zpqa2) Do you think the idiots running the GOP will allow the brand to recover?

Posted by: we are so screwed, deliver us oh SMOD at December 06, 2012 11:49 AM (HEa5q)

145 Now you know she can't pay taxes because it would be racist Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 06, 2012 03:47 PM (1Jaio)

What the Dems are really saying is that it's racist to expect her to pull her own weight.

....and it's racist not to expect her to pull her own weight.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 06, 2012 11:49 AM (sbV1u)

146 Yeah, and in the modern world, only a small percentage of ~~money~~ currency in circulation ever gets printed.

Fixed, for pedantic (but important) accuracy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 11:49 AM (5DR1j)

147 I got distracted upthread thinking about Michelle Malkin's navel. Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 06, 2012 03:42 PM (zpqa2) Woman up!

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 06, 2012 11:49 AM (LpQbZ)

148 52 I think a 50% tax rate on this personal property if you are worth more than $500,000 in property. Posted by: Mekan at December 06, 2012 03:22 PM (hm8tW) And that will effectivly destroy most small businesses and family farms who look "rich" on paper. Posted by: Jollyroger at December 06, 2012 03:27 PM (t06LC) . Ummmm....helloooooo....

Posted by: Let. It. Burn. at December 06, 2012 11:49 AM (H1M3J)

149 Mighigan unions are getting a bit violent and viscious at the moment. Looks like Gov. Snyder and the GOP legislature are poised to make Michigan a Right To Work state. THIS is how it's done.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 06, 2012 11:50 AM (XvHmy)

150 The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down of the big lake they called "Gitche Gumee." The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead when the skies of November turn gloomy. With a load of iron ore twenty-six thousand tons more Than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty, that good ship and true was a bone to be chewed when the "Gales of November" came early. The ship was the pride of the American side coming back from some mill in Wisconsin. As the big freighters go, it was bigger than most with a crew and good captain well seasoned, concluding some terms with a couple of steel firms when they left fully loaded for Cleveland. And later that night when the ship's bell rang, could it be the north wind they'd been feelin'? The wind in the wires made a tattle-tale sound and a wave broke over the railing. And ev'ry man knew, as the captain did too 'twas the witch of November come stealin'. The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait when the Gales of November came slashing'. When afternoon came it was freezin' rain in the face of a hurricane west wind.

Posted by: tasker at December 06, 2012 11:50 AM (r2PLg)

151

105...I think we had only 1 ACE blogger that actually predicted a JEF win, the rest, Romney, hands down. (I do not mean commenters, the offical ACE blog/co-blogger tally, along with the supporting data). Was it Gabriel? Or, Maetenloch? that was correct.

It was Gabriel.

None of us knew how bad the situation was.

Some of us were dismayed at the way Romney wasn't fighting against Barky's Lies.

But we were hopeful that he would win anyway.

I pretty much kept my mouth shut about it and hoped for the best.

Again, look a the chart I linked in the last post. And, do read the Coulter piece, for the stats, alone.

And, finally, listen to Michelle:

Michelle Malkin: The right needs to stop navel gazing and start fighting the leftist radicalization of America

http://tinyurl.com/cgugp8z

The charts and graphs will be replaced with other charts and graphs later.

Bottom line...it was a clusterfuck.

Romney brought a silk hanky to a knife fight.

Coulter and Malkin were a part of the clusterfuck that happened in the primaries...by not screaming about the absurdity of having so many dumbass debates.

They each had their own agenda....and were not very helpful.

Posted by: wheatie at December 06, 2012 11:50 AM (CM59X)

152 Howard YYEEEEAAARRRRRRRRGGGG!! Dean is saying that Everyone needs to pay more taxes.

In the context of maintaining current spending levels, he's right.

Good luck convincing voters of that though. They'll continue to believe that we only need to tax the rich more, because that's what they want to believe.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 06, 2012 11:50 AM (SY2Kh)

153 BTW do not click on the Smaug link. Its a trap!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 06, 2012 11:51 AM (cvHsd)

154 Do you think the idiots running the GOP will allow the brand to recover?

Posted by: we are so screwed, deliver us oh SMOD at December 06, 2012 03:49 PM

Here's one idea. Can we stop calling them the GOP? I'm guilty of it myself, but it's a moniker that has always, ALWAYS annoyed me. "Grand Ole Party?" By whose reckoning? It gives them an air of inevitability, as if to say, "We've been here a long time, sonny, and we're not going anywhere anytime soon." Fuck that.

How about DOP? "Dead Ole Party."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/b][/i][/u] at December 06, 2012 11:51 AM (4df7R)

155 I got distracted upthread thinking about Michelle Malkin's navel.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 06, 2012 03:42 PM (zpqa2)

Woman up!

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 06, 2012 03:49 PM (LpQbZ)

It's worse now. She's on a beach.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 06, 2012 11:51 AM (zpqa2)

156 Bring back the luxury tax!

Posted by: SFGoth at December 06, 2012 11:51 AM (dZ756)

157 And that will effectively destroy most small businesses and family farms who look "rich" on paper. Posted by: Jollyroger at December 06, 2012 03:27 PM (t06LC)

And we will fix it with our Glorious Five-Year Plan to Further the Revolution, Comrade!

Forward!

(...to depressed commodities markets followed by mass starvation.)

Posted by: The U.S. Department of Agriculture at December 06, 2012 11:52 AM (sbV1u)

158 Bring back the Heinz ketchup tax. Make Tereza pay for her booze.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 06, 2012 11:52 AM (cvHsd)

159 Pass a gawdamn budget, march it over the Senate while in session, and scream bloody murder. Get in their fucking gobs and tell them the weather, news, and just what's blowing in the fucking wind.

No more kid-glove, Queensbury, hand-wringing, white spats, limp-wristed, piss-stained, mewling, squishy shoes, mincing, church mouse, wall flower, hail fellow, Harvard rules, genteel, loser shit.

IF the GOP doesn't beg, borrow, or steal some gonads, they deserve to be a footnote.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 06, 2012 11:52 AM (08zV/)

160 Why not raise taxes on the rich, which expire in 2 years! That way the Repubs can say they're reasonable, and get another election to try and get a majority in the Senate?

Posted by: I'm the honey Badger, BITCH! at December 06, 2012 11:52 AM (U3CzV)

161 OT. over at Johnnie Walker.com

Christina Hendricks talks about whiskey and her preferences

D: I have to ask, what would Joan's Johnnie Walker drink of choice be?

C: I think she would have a Manhattan. First of all, she lives in Manhattan. She's very spirited, very patriotic. So I think she would probably have a Manhattan. She'd probably like the presentation, as well.

D: What impression would you get from a man who orders Johnnie Walker at the bar?

C: It's sexy, and it's confident, and it's also very classic. Like I said, I like the way it looks. I like the caramel color. I like the smell. I just like that it is what it is Â— you're not necessarily mixing it with a bunch of other things to change the flavor. You are really just enjoying the flavor of the drink, and I think that is a confident choice.

D: And tell me, who would your favourite Moron be?

C: Well that's easy! It has to be EC. Even just his alias on the blog tells me that he's a simple, straightforward kind of man. It's just two letters, and not an alias that's vague or obtuse or trying to look like he's an intellectual. I just like that about him. I think I want to have his children too.

Posted by: EC at December 06, 2012 11:53 AM (GQ8sn)

162 >>>159 BTW do not click on the Smaug link. Its a trap! You sure? Maybe M. Night Shyamalan did some script doctoring.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 06, 2012 11:53 AM (sGU4F)

163 This is a good idea. It reminds me of when I let my whole family starve to death rather than to accept less than a full loaf of bread. I taught everyone a lesson that day, harrumph. And just last week I took a flamethrower and burned my own home to the ground and made myself homeless, to protest a county special assessment. I won that one too. DeMint-Palin, '16.

Posted by: Totally Irrational Political Malcontent at December 06, 2012 11:53 AM (pmsMR)

164 And now someone has mentioned Malkin, Coulter, and clusterfuck in the same sentence. Oh my!

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 06, 2012 11:53 AM (zpqa2)

165 the big lake they call Gitche Goomi Posted by: imp at December 06, 2012 03:46 PM (UaxA0) ______________ Weird --that was the next lyric I had in my brain. To continue my impersonation of Alicia Silverstone-- As--*if* Hurricane Sandy was all that rare. Ghee a November hurricane that swings up North...

Posted by: tasker at December 06, 2012 11:53 AM (r2PLg)

166

@154

I fail to see how destroying the only bright spots on society while letting the blight prosper helps our condition...

Maybe we have different burn stratagies. I'm all for letting the govt and blue states burn (which they will) not destroying innocent families who actually contribute...

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 06, 2012 11:53 AM (t06LC)

167 Boner is such a goddamned retard. He's taking a great moral stand against raising tax rates, but raising tax money? No problem. Because people don't care if they write a bigger check to the IRS as long as it didn't come from a higher marginal rate.

The new mascot for the Republican party should be Boehner with his ankles behind his ears getting piledrived by Obama.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 06, 2012 11:53 AM (+lsX1)

168 Burn. Let it.

Posted by: Not and Artist at December 06, 2012 11:54 AM (uRumV)

169 When half a loaf is better than none, make sure you know which half has the arsenic.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 06, 2012 11:54 AM (dZ756)

170 Limbaugh should have his brother do it. Because he's named David.

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 06, 2012 11:55 AM (tOkJB)

171 Basically, both goblets are laced with iocane powder and we don't have an awesome Wesley pitted against a cocky Sicilian. So just go ahead and kill Buttercup.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 06, 2012 11:56 AM (sGU4F)

172 ....and it's racist not to expect her to pull her own weight.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 06, 2012 03:49 PM (sbV1u)

And really that says it all, doesn't it? I try to explain this to people all the time, that the Democrat party thinks people are too stupid to do anything for themselves. Somehow, I am reminded of that scene in "Gone With the Wind", where Scarlett and Mammy are in Atlanta and in the background are some free blacks and white men telling them how to vote. If they vote like "their friends" vote, they will be awarded "forty acres and a mule". And that's how blacks have stayed on the plantation.

Posted by: I Be That Chick at December 06, 2012 11:57 AM (rLMKB)

173 Romney brought a silk hanky to a knife fight.

Posted by: wheatie at December 06, 2012 03:50 PM (CM59X)

That's odd, because he brought a garrote to the primaries. That stunt his supporters pulled in Virginia is what won the primary for him.

Apparently the vicious stuff is only used on his conservative opponents.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 06, 2012 11:58 AM (bb5+k)

174 In totally unrelated news, UFC made Ronda Rousey their first official Women's champion. I predict this will end badly. Rousey is the perfect combination. Attractive and feminine, but also a bad-ass. Quirk of being the daughter of judo experts. And her fighting style -- armbar, armbar, armbar -- is feminine. No bleeding, mashed-up faces. Problem is most other female fighters are on steroids or just naturally ultra-mannish. Watching two she-males brutalize each others -- already ugly -- faces is a giant turn-off for 99% of people. The incentive to juice is even greater for women's sports than men's. Especially fighting sports. It's a battle of the manliest -- even in women's sports. R

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 06, 2012 11:59 AM (R+6Q+)

175 Posted by: Totally Irrational Political Malcontent at December 06, 2012 03:53 PM (pmsMR) You should go help Mitt pump his gas.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 06, 2012 12:00 PM (bZKG0)

176 Let It Burn. But don't get burned. Provide accelerant if possible. Do not hinder the government insanity. Just be damned careful about the flash when it goes up. There's gonna be a whole lotta scorchin' goin' on.

Posted by: tubal at December 06, 2012 12:00 PM (BoE3Z)

177 >>>This is a good idea. It reminds me of when I let my whole family starve to death rather than to accept less than a full loaf of bread.

If you have some sort of magic beans that can get the electorate to stop voting for free goodies that doesn't involve a serious dose of reality I'm all ears. If we keep fighting the same way we have been the last 100 years, we are going to continue to lose the same way, little by little, until we have lost everything. We can die a death of a thousand lashes... that is an option. I'd rather go the other route.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 06, 2012 12:01 PM (0q2P7)

178 153

I got distracted upthread thinking about Michelle Malkin's navel.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 06, 2012 03:42 PM (zpqa2)

Woman up!

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 06, 2012 03:49 PM (LpQbZ)

Eh, bet she's an outie. Like an orange.

Posted by: tubal at December 06, 2012 12:02 PM (BoE3Z)

179 I fail to see how destroying the only bright spots on society while letting the blight prosper helps our condition...
Maybe we have different burn stratagies. I'm all for letting the govt and blue states burn (which they will) not destroying innocent families who actually contribute...

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 06, 2012 03:53 PM (t06LC)

I feel for ya dude, but the problem is, we all share the same money. It is the money that is going to burn, so it won't make any difference which state it is in when it starts.

It's been smoldering for several years now. Haven't you noticed the rising prices of everything?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 06, 2012 12:02 PM (bb5+k)

180

144 I noticed Boehner's purge of conservative chairman, and DeMint quitting.

That's interesting, because there weren't any Chairmen purged, just three freshmen.

Gotta keep beating that strawman, I guess.

Posted by: rockmom at December 06, 2012 12:04 PM (aBlZ1)

181

@185

Farms deal in commodities. The money fluctuates with the CPI.

I'm in the oil business, inflation doesn't hurt nearly as much.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 06, 2012 12:07 PM (t06LC)

182 Boner is such a goddamned retard. He's taking a great moral stand against raising tax rates, but raising tax money? No problem. Because people don't care if they write a bigger check to the IRS as long as it didn't come from a higher marginal rate.

The people have spoken.

They want higher taxes, but only on people richer than themselves.

They also want lower spending, but only if there's no chance of affecting them personally. And don't dare touch their sacred cows of education, the EPA, NASA, welfare, food stamps, agriculture subsidies, green energy funding, Medicare, or Social Security.

Foreign aid. That's the ticket. Just cut that, tax the rich more, and all our problems are solved.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 06, 2012 12:08 PM (SY2Kh)

183 How about DOP? "Dead Ole Party." Dead Ole Party Electoral Supergeniuses D.O.P.E.S.

Posted by: jakeman at December 06, 2012 12:10 PM (96M6e)

184 this is maybe kind of stupid, but if we're going to have this conversaton anyway.....

percentage of gdp is a dumb way to measure the amount of taxes we pay. pretty much (90% or better) all federal taxes are taxes on income one way or another. the estate tax isnt, but income, payroll, and even excise taxes hit income by directly taking from income or by inflating prices on things income is used to buy.

IIRC, the aggregate adjusted gross income of the us -- the actual money people earned to spwnd on things they wanted -- was about $6 trillion in 2010. the federal govt taxed away over a third of that.

they spent about 60% of it. that's your problem right there.

Posted by: troll feeder at December 06, 2012 12:11 PM (uq29E)

185

Factually inaccurate. Rhetorically, it may or may not be worth the distinction. But China is all done with our debt.

These days we lend money to ourselves. Shit you not - we lend ourselves money on paper.

Posted by: entropy at December 06, 2012 12:12 PM (TULs6)

186 China currently holds 8% of our debt. The amount they hold is down by over $150 billion over the last year.

Somewhere between 70-90% of all new debt is being bought by the Fed. Privately held US debt, which includes countries like China, is around $11 trillion. The other $5 trillion is held by 'intragovernment agencies'. It is this last category which is growing by leaps and bounds.

The bottom 10% of 'taxpayers' pay a negative 13.4% tax rate. The next from bottom 10% of 'taxpayers' pay a negative 5.4% rate. This is due, of course, to the EIC.

I can provide links to any of these facts, if anyone actually gives a shit.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 06, 2012 12:13 PM (ccXZP)

187

Looks like Gov. Snyder and the GOP legislature are poised to make Michigan a Right To Work state.

THIS is how it's done.

That's the GOP legislature in MI. Snyder is 'going along' because at the moment he's tied up and gagged and 3 people are sitting on him.

If there was absolutely anything he could do to stop them (without blowing any chance of reelection ever) he would.

Posted by: entropy at December 06, 2012 12:22 PM (TULs6)

188 77%? I have a better idea. Immediately forfeit all pay and benefits for all present and former members of congress - along with 100% of their personal holdings and retirement.

Want to talk about responsibility and accountability?

It wasn't the American taxpayer who did this - it was congress.

Posted by: George at December 06, 2012 12:22 PM (qBLA2)

189 In the past, the USA has had tax brackets even higher than 77%. The top bracket was 94% during World War II. Yet somehow the revenues collected never rose much above 20% of GDP, and the average is about 18% of GDP. This is because when tax rates are high, people don't bother to do things that make them pay taxes, like founding new companies that hire people. The very rich can sit around letting their capital gains accumulate. So the plans to spend 23% of GDP are absolutely certain to increase the debt. (I cannot believe that Obama claimed he had the better plan to balance the budget... he has never even tried.) I think Ace asked a while back: why even collect any taxes? If we are just going to run up the debt anyway, why not just print all the money? Instead of using taxes to pay for $2.4 trillion and going into debt by another $1.2 trillion or so, why not just go into debt for $3.6 trillion this year? Maybe the Republicans should propose this. It's a publicity stunt, but the idea is to publicize the idea that we are piling up a staggering load of debt. I'm not sure the typical Obama voter understands or believes this.

Posted by: mr_jack at December 06, 2012 12:26 PM (TMG3G)

190

Posted by: Mekan at December 06, 2012 03:22 PM (hm8tW)

Okay, I'm getting so sicjk of this that I could scream. You know who else has $500,00 in "wealth"? Widows with 4 kids whose husbands tried to make sure they woukdn't be a burden to the rest of society, that's who.

I'm not 40 yet and that damn money was supposed to last my entire life with some left over for the kids. Well, between TFG's destruction of investment options, the sky-rocketing tax on dividends and inflation that is increasing prices that's already not going to happen, but I'm getting very sick of people on "my" side encouraging the government to turn their greedy eyes towards my only chance at reasonable self-sufficiency. Honestly, I figure it's only a matter of time until a wealth tax happens anyway, but I'd appreciate it if so-called conservatives weren't volunteereing to give them *my* money.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 06, 2012 12:27 PM (wbeNt)

191 Argh, it helps to wear glasses while typing a rant.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 06, 2012 12:28 PM (wbeNt)

192 The GOP could strike a blow for free enterprise by decriminalizing counterfitting: after all, what effect does counterfitting have that the Democrats haven't already blessed?

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at December 06, 2012 12:31 PM (2VCZA)

193

I'm getting very sick of people on "my" side encouraging the government to turn their greedy eyes towards my only chance at reasonable self-sufficiency.

Buy gold.

Posted by: entropy at December 06, 2012 12:35 PM (TULs6)

194 Bureaucratic - Entitlement Complexes are awfully expensive to run.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at December 06, 2012 12:37 PM (hLRSq)

195 Rush is not stupid. Unlike those who write at or read Hot Air.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at December 06, 2012 12:37 PM (4zKCA)

196 Lol, the California teachers would proudly support a 77% tax rate. And would profess shock and anger when tax collection didn't quite meet expectations and the growth screeched to a halt.

Posted by: wte9 at December 06, 2012 12:49 PM (RCQ1W)

197 You don't have to tax the wealth away. Currency inflation will take care of all of that, wait and see.

Posted by: navybrat at December 06, 2012 12:50 PM (Ty7ja)

198 My sister! My daughter! My sister! My daughter!

Posted by: Leftists, getting some fiscal sense slapped into them by reality as played by Jack Nicholson at December 06, 2012 01:10 PM (+QKfp)

199

Posted by: navybrat at December 06, 2012 04:50 PM (Ty7ja)

Exactly. The money meant to support me for the next 40 years will run out in 15-20 at current inflationary rates and it's not going to be any easier for a 55 year old woman to find a job then than it is for a 38 year old to find one now. I realize that a lot of this is inevitable, but would really appreciate it if those trying to send the financial wolfpack my way weren't so damn smug about theri reasonableness in doing so.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 06, 2012 01:18 PM (wbeNt)

200 That might get noticed. But the public at large is not just ignorant they are willfully ignorant. Much harder to get information past those filters.

Posted by: Yenober at December 06, 2012 03:37 PM (+edcN)

201 I wonder if Obama will really demand middle class tax cuts when we go over the cliff. Sure, it makes him look heroic, but: 1) Puts him a bit on the hook again for any deficits. 2) He has a golden opportunity to let the GOP get the blame for raising taxes on everyone, which Dems really don't mind. 3) So, if we get a recession, he can blame it on the GOP. So, the GOP should really guarantee those middle class tax cuts somehow now, so they don't get blamed. Pre-pass them or something.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 06, 2012 03:52 PM (dZQh7)

202 The money meant to support me for the next 40 years will run out in 15-20 at current inflationary rates and it's not going to be any easier for a 55 year old woman to find a job then than it is for a 38 year old to find one now. Then game the system. Take the money back. You know it is inevitable, you can't prevent it. It doesn't make you a moocher it makes you Robin Hood. The facts are, your life savings will be inflated away a terrifying amount. To compensate for this, get an EBT and let Obama buy your kids food (go to Whole Foods and get the good stuff). This will allow you to save more away and stretch it out longer. You can even buy steaks and cigarettes and sell them for cash in the parking lot. Of course, it isn't going to last forever. But it's going down whether you use it or not. That's what everybody voted for. You might as well at least get yours while it lasts. You paid for it, whether you take it or not.

Posted by: entropy at December 06, 2012 04:57 PM (YUttk)

203 And that will effectivly destroy most small businesses and family farms who look "rich" on paper. Posted by: Jollyroger at December 06, 2012 03:27 PM (t06LC) Absurdity to showcase the absurd dear sir. The only people that will be hurt by increasing the income tax on those making 250k or more are the upper middle class/small business owners. The evil rich have their money and can protect it. This is why buffoons like Buffet are all for raising the income tax..it won't affect them. Communism/National Socialism creates a two class system of those that have and those who are told what they can have. The goal is simply to destroy the middle class. It will create utter despair and apathy. The hopeless are so much easier to control. Well at least after you take their guns away.

Posted by: ALL_IS_LOST at December 06, 2012 08:40 PM (T/L2Z)

204

FDR went to 100% on all income over $25 000 and that didn't work.

Posted by: burtdn at December 07, 2012 02:59 AM (8kEad)

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