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June 28, 2012

So... We Might Have to Wait Longer
— Ace

Scotusblog.com is live-blogging this, and they just described the procedure. The court will convene at 10am. Then they will be in session, and one justice will read a summary of one ruling and another justice another ruling. ObamaCare will probably be last, because the room will get noisy after that, as reporters scramble out to place phone calls.

Plus I think justices can choose to read dissents.

So in all likelihood, we're talking about 10:30.

Stolen Valor Act Ruling Posted: Here.

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1 KHAAAAAAANNNN!!!!

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 06:01 AM (UZQM8)

2 When do the IRS agents come???

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 06:01 AM (QWOh7)

3 Stop delaying dammit! No amount of stalling will stifle the hatred of the left if you rule against them. No amount of waiting will make them any happier if you rule for them. Seriously... the suspense is killing us!

Posted by: chaz at June 28, 2012 06:02 AM (oJGIR)

4 Arrrrrrrrrgh.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at June 28, 2012 06:02 AM (IlZPo)

5 Damn Judiciary cockteases!

Posted by: Drew in MO at June 28, 2012 06:02 AM (Ngi7s)

brb

checking ketones

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 06:03 AM (jm/9g)

7 Fuck it! We'll do it live!

Posted by: fluffy O'Reilly at June 28, 2012 06:03 AM (z9HTb)

8 Dow is down 88

Posted by: Gordon Gekko at June 28, 2012 06:03 AM (e8kgV)

9 Valor Act unconstitutional

Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 06:03 AM (+usC4)

An-tis-a-pa-yay-shun, is making me way-yay-yay-a-yate.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 28, 2012 06:03 AM (BAS5M)

11 Stolen Valor Act was ruled unconstitutional.

Posted by: Gran at June 28, 2012 06:03 AM (p8FXV)

12 I'd put it last too. They'll probably bolt for the door as soon as it's read.

Posted by: no good deed at June 28, 2012 06:03 AM (0lYad)

13 SCOTUS blog also estimated 10:15. ace

Posted by: tsrblke at June 28, 2012 06:03 AM (22rSN)

14 It's goin' down...hopefully more ways than one:

http://youtu.be/P0nyy6AcfY4

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at June 28, 2012 06:04 AM (GBXon)

15 I took a bunch of NyQuil to spare myself this waiting game, but I'm still up dammit!

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 06:04 AM (i330i)

16 11 minutes and Counnnnnnnnnnting...

Posted by: The James Bond Coundown Guy at June 28, 2012 06:04 AM (48wze)

17 OMGGGGGGGG!!!!! THE WAITING IS KILLING ME!!! YES I"M SHOUTING!!!! Ugh. I don't want to wait any more. Dammit! Where is the constitutional microwave?

Posted by: Vivian Louise at June 28, 2012 06:04 AM (8j5r/)

It may be best if the Court declares this a tax and per Anti-injunction Act have to delay the vote.

Then the electorate can process this as a tax and it will be decided after the election and will prevent Team Obama from going scorched earth prior to the election.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 06:04 AM (QWOh7)

19 Fox is lagging SCOTUSblog big time

Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 06:04 AM (+usC4)

20 Chris Matthews just asked if Obama will accept the "moral authority" of the Supreme Court.

Posted by: no good deed at June 28, 2012 06:05 AM (0lYad)

21 The suspense is terrible. I hope it'll last.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSORiSaRW8

Posted by: huerfano at June 28, 2012 06:05 AM (bAGA/)

22 I think I'll run some scripts.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 06:05 AM (/kI1Q)

23 Stolen Valor goes down

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 06:05 AM (B/yDO)

24 Down is down 91

Posted by: Gordon Gekko at June 28, 2012 06:05 AM (e8kgV)

25 Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 28, 2012 06:05 AM (uVuwp)

26 I don't care if they wait till after lunch, so long as the ruling is, Out, Damn Law!!!

Posted by: mallfly at June 28, 2012 06:05 AM (bJm7W)

27 And Alvarez (Stolen Valor Act) was upheld by a plurality decision written by Kennedy (Alito, Scalia and Thomas dissenting), meaning that the Stolen Valor Act is an unconstitutional infringement on the First Amendment. I have not read the decision yet.

Posted by: Penfold at June 28, 2012 06:05 AM (1PeEC)

28 This IS Zombie Howard Cosell... we're here to watch the fight of the century between SCOTUS, who has an long history of decisions in the ring... against CHOOMER, a young kid that punches above his weight...

Posted by: Zombie Howard Cosell at June 28, 2012 06:05 AM (Jls4P)

29 I feel Good!

http://tinyurl.com/2f8bqs

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 06:05 AM (KZI7g)

30 Those robed bitches can be sooooo coy.

Posted by: Gergie at June 28, 2012 06:06 AM (MMC8r)

31 >>Chris Matthews just asked if Obama will accept the "moral authority" of the Supreme Court.

Of course he won't. He doesn't respect anything.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 06:06 AM (/kI1Q)

32 from scotusblog:

The decision of the 9th Circuit is affirmed in Alvarez.

whichever that is.

Posted by: mallfly at June 28, 2012 06:06 AM (bJm7W)

33 SCOTUS page is hopelessly wedgied, to the shock of precisely nobody.

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at June 28, 2012 06:06 AM (GBXon)

34 Stolen Valor as written is unconstitutional, but similar legislation that adheres to the ruling may still be okay in the future

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 06:06 AM (B/yDO)

35 Lying is free speech.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 28, 2012 06:07 AM (XmaH+)

36 520,000 contemporaneous readers on SCOTUSblog.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 06:07 AM (i330i)

37 Dow is down 95

Posted by: Gordon Gekko at June 28, 2012 06:07 AM (e8kgV)

SCOTUS has just ruled my ketones unconstitutional.

shit

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 06:07 AM (jm/9g)

39 520,000 on SCOTUS Blog. Boy what Ace would do for those numbers!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 06:07 AM (KZI7g)

40 BRB, hitting F5 like I'm gonna get a peanut

Posted by: fluffy at June 28, 2012 06:07 AM (z9HTb)

41 Heart beating, so much. It's like a horserace.

Posted by: tsrblke at June 28, 2012 06:07 AM (22rSN)

42 oh, I guess lying is okay as long as you don't harm someone else's good name. Maybe lying on job resumes is okay, now, too.

Posted by: mallfly at June 28, 2012 06:07 AM (bJm7W)

43 Health care next

Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 06:07 AM (+usC4)

44 It will be interesting to see how the Dow reacts to the decision.

Posted by: Synnerman at June 28, 2012 06:07 AM (0Bdlg)

45 Court finds tomato is a fruit.

Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2012 06:07 AM (MMC8r)

46 8 minutes and Counnnnnnnnnnting.....

Posted by: The James Bond Coundown Guy at June 28, 2012 06:07 AM (48wze)

47 overturned!!!11

Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 06:07 AM (+usC4)

48 Oy.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (IlZPo)

49 ACA ruling being read right now...

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (X6akg)

50 DOWN GOES THE MANDATE!

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (B/yDO)

51 Chris Matthews predecision mood, If the Heritage Foundation had wrote this same legislation it would be upheld The court is partisan.
Meltdown cometh?

Posted by: liontoot at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (xk0Xg)

52 Scalia, Thomas, Alito are in the- HAS BEEN RULED UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (r2PLg)

53 I really must again caution people. The Supreme Court is like a naked cannibal on bath salts - nobody knows what it's gonna do, but it's ugly and dangerous.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (pmDdf)

54 The mandate has been knocked down per Fox.

Posted by: Synnerman at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (0Bdlg)

55 NO MANDATE!!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (KZI7g)

56 @TheFix RT @stevebruskCNN "BREAKING -- Individual mandate struck down. More to come"

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (d6QMz)

57 Dow is down 115

Posted by: Gordon Gekko at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (e8kgV)

58 Individual Mandate unconstitutional

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (uVuwp)

59 Severability next

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (r2PLg)

60 Yahoooooooooooooooooo!

Posted by: macintx at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (ucs8Y)

61 You guys ~~playing poker~~ waiting on the SCOTUS decision?

Posted by: Flounder at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (BAS5M)

62 Jordan Sekulow ‏@JordanSekulow

Breaking: #SCOTUS strikes down #Obamacare's individual mandate as unconstitutional #ACA

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (GBXon)

63 Individual mandate has BEEN STRUCK DOWN!!!! per fox business

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (X6akg)

64 Roberts in the MAJORITY

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (r2PLg)

65 Hot fucking damn.

Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (MMC8r)

66 Fuck yes

Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (+usC4)

67 Puddin' time!

Posted by: Braineaterbob at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (1cHDX)

68 A TAX WTF

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (xAtAj)

69 The individual mandate survives as a tax.

Posted by: Gordon Gekko at June 28, 2012 06:08 AM (e8kgV)

70 erg SCOTUS blog is saying it survives as a tax.....

Posted by: tsrblke at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (22rSN)

71 How 'bout the rest of it?

Posted by: sarahw at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (LYwCh)

72 Ah, fuck.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (i330i)

73 http://tinyurl.com/2f8bqs

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (KZI7g)

74 @philipaklein SCOTUS: "The individual mandate is not a valid exercise of Congress's power under the Commerce Clause."

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (d6QMz)

75 fuuuuuuuuuuuu....

Posted by: Komissar Vladimir at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (mt3j2)

76 Individual mandate survives. :-(

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (cmVhL)

77 well now I don't feel so bad about the ketone ruling

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (jm/9g)

78 Huh. Apparently I took too long to post. The cannibal ate the mandate.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (pmDdf)

79 MSNBC TIME!

Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (+usC4)

80 Individual mandate survives as a tax :./

Posted by: Matt at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (ihSa7)

81 Where Iwork they have MSNBC on the monitors 24x7 (yeah I have thought about a hostile workplace complaint). Right now the moonbats are in full-turbo charged spin. You would think that this was the 21st century moon landing and the 9-11 attacks all rolled into one.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (9VSWS)

82 How can the mandate been struck down yet the tax survives?!!? WTF!!

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (X6akg)

Oh great, so now MSNBC is couching this in Moral authority.

How is it moral to ram this through congress with midnight votes, bribes without any meaningful debate with fraudulent facts and figures provided to the CBO and American people in 2,700 pages of a bill the majority party who voted in the affirmative NEVER read?

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (QWOh7)

84 i just peed myself

Posted by: rstone at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (MdYJ2)

85 Wait... individual mandate surviving as- a TAX!?

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (r2PLg)

86 Drudge just posted mandate gone?

Posted by: Mr Pink at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (MpDjI)

87 individual mandate survives as a tax

Posted by: babygiraffes at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (h0KX8)

88 Individual Mandate unconstitutional

For realz? I'm gonna tear the foil off the pudding...

Posted by: fluffy at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (z9HTb)

89 10:08Amy Howe: The individual mandate survives as a tax.

Posted by: mallfly at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (bJm7W)

90 Thank God for the Italian Americans on the SCOTUS, including the honorary dago Clarence Thomas.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (Ec6wH)

91 Fuck. Alright then, I'm going to push for my 'tax on abortions, it's for teh Commerce, bitches' tax.

Posted by: J. Random Dude at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (72afg)

92 Praying it's unanimous, struck down, in the manner of Brown v. Board of Education. If Roberts could pull this off with a narrow ruling, he would go down in history as one of the greats.

Posted by: texette at June 28, 2012 06:09 AM (NPSC3)

93 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I am going to start smoking again!

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 06:10 AM (jucos)

Yay! Time to get another drink down my gullet!

Posted by: Jaws at June 28, 2012 06:10 AM (4I3Uo)

95 If the individual mandate is tax, then the Anti-Injuction Act should be in effect.

Posted by: Gordon Gekko at June 28, 2012 06:10 AM (e8kgV)

96 I smell Kennedy fucking this up.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 06:10 AM (KZI7g)

97 Wait, what? Dead or what?

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at June 28, 2012 06:10 AM (GBXon)

98 What is going on? Zombie mandate?

Posted by: sarahw at June 28, 2012 06:10 AM (LYwCh)

Per Scotus: The individual mandate survives as a tax.

Then: It's very complicated, so we're still figuring it out.

Posted by: Virginia Socon at June 28, 2012 06:10 AM (+/C3g)

100 Guys, don't start running yet. SCOTUS blog is having trouble parsing it.

Posted by: tsrblke at June 28, 2012 06:10 AM (22rSN)

101 Gawd get the pros on this

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:10 AM (r2PLg)

102 Wisconsin and now this... quickly someone go over to the enemy lines and report on their gnashing of teeth so we can enjoy it.

Posted by: Drew in MO at June 28, 2012 06:10 AM (Ngi7s)

103 Well, technically the Constitution allows the govt to tax the ever-living fuck out of you, right?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 06:10 AM (i330i)

104 but mandate was not applied as tax in the law

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 28, 2012 06:10 AM (uVuwp)

105 supreme court doesn't have it up yet

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:10 AM (r2PLg)

106 MANDATE STAYS UP!

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 06:10 AM (B/yDO)

107 Fuck me

Posted by: Mr Pink at June 28, 2012 06:10 AM (MpDjI)

108 10:10Tom: So the mandate is constitutional. Chief Justice Roberts joins the left of the Court.

Posted by: mallfly at June 28, 2012 06:11 AM (bJm7W)

109

SCOTUS BLOG:

Tom:

So the mandate is constitutional. Chief Justice Roberts joins the left of the Court.

Posted by: tsrblke at June 28, 2012 06:11 AM (22rSN)

110 Roberts joins the left? WTF

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 06:11 AM (KZI7g)

111 SB: So the mandate is constitutional. Chief Justice Roberts joins the left of the Court.

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 06:11 AM (X6akg)

112 JUST GET TO THE DISSENTS

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:11 AM (r2PLg)

113 wtf

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 06:11 AM (jm/9g)

114 I'm more confused than ever!

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 06:11 AM (X6akg)

115 SCOTUSblog: So the mandate is constitutional. Chief Justice Roberts joins the left of the Court.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 28, 2012 06:11 AM (MQc8e)

116 Wait, I take that back. If a mandate is constitutional then you wimminz has a mandate to bear your kids. Again, for teh Commerce!

Posted by: J. Random Dude at June 28, 2012 06:11 AM (72afg)

117

Worst outcome.

Roberts, as predicted, joined the left to affirm.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 06:11 AM (QWOh7)

118 So the mandate is constitutional. Chief Justice Roberts joins the left of the Court.

Posted by: Gordon Gekko at June 28, 2012 06:11 AM (e8kgV)

119

A weary nation now looks to its celebrities to threaten to move to France.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 06:11 AM (9KqcB)

120 Strike one! Strike two! Bawl 4!!

Posted by: Davidlind at June 28, 2012 06:11 AM (5ANyb)

121 Mandate is constitutional, and Roberts joins the left.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 06:12 AM (i330i)

122 What the hell just happened?

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at June 28, 2012 06:12 AM (GBXon)

123 Medicaid limited but not invalidated

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 06:12 AM (B/yDO)

124 Also: The Medicaid provision is limited but not invalidated.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 28, 2012 06:12 AM (MQc8e)

125 Ahhhhh suck.

Well, Mitt get at it!

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at June 28, 2012 06:12 AM (xAtAj)

126 Scotusblog commenter said Roberts joined with the left of the Court.

Posted by: Penfold at June 28, 2012 06:12 AM (1PeEC)

127 SCOTUSblog- "The Medicaid provision is limited but not invalidated."

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 06:12 AM (d6QMz)

128 Medicaid extortion "limited but not prohibited"

Posted by: Matt at June 28, 2012 06:12 AM (ihSa7)

129 Roberts joined Left on Medicare

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:12 AM (r2PLg)

130 Roberts must go.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at June 28, 2012 06:12 AM (nZvGM)

131 Oops MEDICAID

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (r2PLg)

132 Stock market halts hospital and insurance stocks....

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (X6akg)

133 10:13
Tom:
The bottom line: the entire ACA is upheld, with the exception that the federal government's power to terminate states' Medicaid funds is narrowly read.

Posted by: mallfly at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (bJm7W)

134 Great, Roberts is another Souter... great job, W!

Posted by: Synnerman at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (0Bdlg)

135

Oh hell no:

SCOTUSblog

The bottom line: the entire ACA is upheld, with the exception that the federal government's power to terminate states' Medicaid funds is narrowly read.

Posted by: Virginia Socon at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (+/C3g)

136

basically law stands in entirety. We'll pretend the mandate is a tax.

We're well and truly flocked.

Posted by: Matt at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (ihSa7)

137 Where is Kennedy?

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (r2PLg)

138 What a fucking disgrace.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (cmVhL)

139 The bottom line: the entire ACA is upheld, with the exception that the federal government's power to terminate states' Medicaid funds is narrowly read.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (X6akg)

140 So they got it thru saying it wasn't a tax. Now it is a tax.

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 06:14 AM (136wp)

141 Next fight: OVERTURN. IN. FULL.

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at June 28, 2012 06:14 AM (GBXon)

142 UNLIIIIIMATEEEED POWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Posted by: The Feds at June 28, 2012 06:14 AM (xAtAj)

143 Well, Fuck me big daddy. FMBD

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 06:14 AM (KZI7g)

144 Just bring on SMOD already. Today marks the beginning of the end of the republic.

Posted by: micmcn at June 28, 2012 06:14 AM (tIQsx)

145 No wonder that prick Carney sounded so confident in the damn presser. I thought he was just bluffing.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 06:14 AM (jm/9g)

146 That's it, buckaroos....

Think of all the wonderful shit Bark Obama will do in his NEXT four years in office!

*vomits*

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 28, 2012 06:14 AM (MQc8e)

147 It is as if God Himself has spoken.

Posted by: Nanny P. Lousy at June 28, 2012 06:14 AM (i330i)

148 The ACA requirement to pay a penalty is allowable under the Congress power to tax. NOT our role to forbid it.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:14 AM (r2PLg)

149 What kind of government do we have?

A Socialist dictatorship ruled by incompetents, since you've permitted it.

Posted by: Zombie Benjamin Franklin at June 28, 2012 06:15 AM (MeVaZ)

150 >>Individual mandate survives as a tax :./

So we just got single-payer?

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 06:15 AM (/kI1Q)

151

So now one can be "taxed" for not participating in interstate commerce?

FML

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 28, 2012 06:15 AM (BAS5M)

152

138 basically law stands in entirety. We'll pretend the mandate is a tax.

___

Because God knows we're not Taxed Enough Already

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 06:15 AM (jm/9g)

153 Dow down 115

Posted by: Gordon Gekko at June 28, 2012 06:15 AM (e8kgV)

154

Unbelieveable

Posted by: Honey Tiberius Optimus Prime Badger, bangin' and hangin' at June 28, 2012 06:16 AM (GvYeG)

155 10:15Tom: Chief Justice Roberts' vote saved the ACA.

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 06:16 AM (B/yDO)

156 It looks like Barry's intimation of Roberts worked.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 06:16 AM (KZI7g)

157 Come and take me to jail, assholes.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 06:16 AM (i330i)

158 Chief Justice Roberts' vote saved the ACA.

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 06:16 AM (X6akg)

159 So whats the point in my fucking working? Oh yea, to pay for those who don't. We are now slaves to the lazy.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 06:16 AM (UZQM8)

160 10:15
Tom:
Chief Justice Roberts' vote saved the ACA.

so if it's five to four doesn't that mean it doesn't count? (yeah, I'm being sarcastic)

Posted by: mallfly at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (bJm7W)

161 At what point do we say f-ck this and start over. IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: Honey Tiberius Optimus Prime Badger, bangin' and hangin' at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (GvYeG)

162 Kennedy, Scalia, Thomas and Alito\ DISSENTING JUDGES

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (r2PLg)

163 158 It looks like Barry's intimation of Roberts worked. Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 10:16 AM (KZI7g) Except they voted on it months ago. They take a preliminary vote after they hear the case...

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (136wp)

164 So we just got single-payer? Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 10:15 AM (/kI1Q) That was their plan all along. Checkmate.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (i330i)

165 Kennedy dissented. Wow Roberts, wow.

Posted by: The Feds at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (xAtAj)

166 So instead of losing with Scalia/Alito/Thomas/Roberts we lost with Scalia/Alito/Thomas/Kennedy? That's an even bigger problem than losing this. Roberts is going to be around a long time. I already had losing Kennedy a lot of the time priced in.

Posted by: Michael at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (Hl5ka)

167 >>So now one can be "taxed" for not participating in interstate commerce?

...but health insurance isn't "interstate." Would be a lot cheaper if it was.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (/kI1Q)

168 He went off the farm... on. the. TAX.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:18 AM (r2PLg)

169

No one ever doubted that it was constitutional to tax people to provide healthcare. What was struck down was the individual mandate to purchase insurance under the commerce clause.

Posted by: jwest at June 28, 2012 06:18 AM (ZDsRL)

170 So, unless we repeal the whole damn thing, we now have to wait until 2015 (after someone is taxed in 2014) for another lawsuit, two more years in the courts before reaching the SCOTUS, and then we get to do this again. Major FAIL.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at June 28, 2012 06:18 AM (+/C3g)

171 Chief Justice John Roberts = Bill Buckner.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 28, 2012 06:18 AM (BAS5M)

172 10:18
Amy Howe:
The money quote from the section on the mandate: Our precedent demonstrates that Congress had the power to impose the exaction in Section 5000A under the taxing power, and that Section 5000A need not be read to do more than impose a tax. This is sufficient to sustain it.

Posted by: mallfly at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (bJm7W)

173 SCOTUS blog says this is the "money quote"-- Our precedent demonstrates that Congress had the power to impose the exaction in Section 5000A under the taxing power, and that Section 5000A need not be read to do more than impose a tax. This is sufficient to sustain it.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (r2PLg)

174

We're starting to sound like the Left: attacking the court for results we don't like.

This law was created via the political process and willl live or die via the political process. Republicans have been running around promising to repeal it. Now they get that chance.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (9KqcB)

175 perhaps I'll apply for a job with the IRS. I'm sure they'll be hiring.

Posted by: mallfly at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (bJm7W)

176 Kagan must be impeached and removed for lying in her confirmation hearings (and previously in testimony about partial birth) and for refusing to recuse herself on this. Roberts must be impeached and removed for supporting Kagan in her decision to not recude.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (nZvGM)

177 >>So now one can be "taxed" for not participating in interstate commerce?

Worse. It's a tax on being born and reaching the age of 26, but being competent enough to avoid living in a household with income below whatever-percentage of the poverty line the welfare coverage kicks in.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (/kI1Q)

178 I knew it was going to be Roberts. It had only been leaked all week.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (i330i)

179 The gears of big govt ratchet ever leftward. The legal framework for single payer is now established, and it's just a matter of time until the left browbeats the political framework for it.

Posted by: micmcn at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (tIQsx)

180 Of course, now can we hammer Obummer because HE JUST RAISED TAXES ON THE MIDDLE CLASS!!!!

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (+/C3g)

181 10:20
Amy Howe:
The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.

what the hell does that mean?

Posted by: mallfly at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (bJm7W)

182 CJ, you're entirely correct. Romney will get right on it.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 06:21 AM (i330i)

183 So... we can get RID of it as a TAX. This does not PRESERVE it as a power of the Necessary and proper clause-- or the Commerce Clause.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:21 AM (r2PLg)

184 "So, unless we repeal the whole damn thing, we now have to wait until 2015 (after someone is taxed in 2014) for another lawsuit, two more years in the courts before reaching the SCOTUS, and then we get to do this again. Major FAIL."

Not necessarily. If we elect a president and a Congress committed to repealing the ACA, it will be gone next year.

Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2012 06:21 AM (HjPtV)

185 This makes it easier to get rid of - in Reconciliation.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (r2PLg)

186 Obama wins today, loses a foil for the campaign

Posted by: Gordon Gekko at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (e8kgV)

187 yep, before flying off the handle, let it be analyzed.

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (136wp)

188 What all this means is our govt in every branch doesnt give a flying fuck about the people who work and pay their damn salaries.

Posted by: Honey Tiberius Optimus Prime Badger, bangin' and hangin' at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (GvYeG)

189 >>If we elect a president and a Congress committed to repealing the ACA, it will be gone next year.

Romney can only sign what's on his desk. We're fucked.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (/kI1Q)

190 This means more than ever-- We have to vote the DEMS OUT.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (r2PLg)

191 Since there is no new budget passed by both houses of Congress, the same Reconciliation rules still apply as when ObamaCare was originally passed.

Posted by: Gordon Gekko at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (e8kgV)

192 Sorry, pudding, you'll have to wait for another day.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (BAS5M)

193 Tom: Apologies - you can't refuse to pay the tax; typo. The only effect of not complying with the mandate is that you pay the tax.

IIRC, revolutions were started for less.

Posted by: micmcn at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (tIQsx)

194 This is a huge victory for Obama. The media was spinning this to measure from the anus.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (i330i)

195 Noteworthy from the Scotusblog commenter "Amy Howe: The Court holds that the mandate violates the Commerce Clause, but that doesn't matter b/c there are five votes for the mandate to be constitutional under the taxing power."

Posted by: Penfold at June 28, 2012 06:28 AM (1PeEC)

196 And Kennedy is reading the dissent and is unloading, said the entire act is invalid.

Posted by: Penfold at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (1PeEC)

197 Well it's now official, all branches of government now regard the public as prey animals. Fucking pieces of shit!

Arrogrant human filth, all branches, all parties, all agencies, every single tiny shithole piece of our "government by the people".

Time for American Revolution 2.0, it seems.

Posted by: GaryS at June 28, 2012 06:37 AM (dcfiw)

198 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 06:39 AM (Xb3hu)

199

Prediction. Your doctor will be out of business in five years and working at Walmart Regional Hospital.

Posted by: Mike at June 28, 2012 06:43 AM (WSs3A)

200 "So... We Might Have to Wait Longer"

to see a doctor

to get surgery

hey, doesn't the law require businesses with more than a certain number of employees to give health cover or pay a penalty? How many business with fewer employees than that number will be hiring any additional employees.?

depression here we come.

Posted by: mallfly at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (bJm7W)

201 anyway, it's nice to know that the government can order you to do something or pay a tax if you refuse. How nice.

The Informed Voter Act of 2013: anyone who doesn't have subscription to an approved newspaper shall pay a penalty of 50 dollars a month.

Posted by: mallfly at June 28, 2012 06:49 AM (bJm7W)

202 silver lining..?

10:52 Lyle: The rejection of the Commerce Clause and Nec. and Proper Clause should be understood as a major blow to Congress's authority to pass social welfare laws. Using the tax code -- especially in the current political environment -- to promote social welfare is going to be a very chancy proposition.

Posted by: mallfly at June 28, 2012 06:52 AM (bJm7W)

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