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June 28, 2012

So, Plan B Didn't Pan Out...
— Ace

...but remember, it was only Plan B, and we had little confidence in it until this past March.

Plan A was always to win the Senate and the White House and flush this piece of shit down the toilet through reconciliation.

Plan A was always Plan A. Plan B didn't start to exist until, what, mid-2011? When we got a favorable ruling in federal court? (And some unfavorable ones?)

And this never seemed all that likely, until John Roberts was so skeptical of the government's case in March. (And then later was swayed by non-legal arguments that court must retain its credibility; 5-4 decisions are illegitimate unless they benefit liberals.)

So, as much as this stings: This whole thing was a Double Secret Bonus attempt at undoing ObamaCare that debuted mid-2011 and then burst onto the scene just four months ago.

Just four months ago.

Plan A was always Plan A, and Plan A is still very much in play.

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1 Yep.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:59 AM (caAEA)

Donating money to Mitt Romney's campaign right now. Also donating money to Tom Smith's campaign right now. He is running for senate trying to unseat a democrat.

I suggest you all do the same.

Posted by: Ben at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (C2Y4l)

3 Plan C is I move to Poland.

Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 07:01 AM (jWvMW)

4 And John Roberts is a retarded traitor.

Posted by: Stu-22 at June 28, 2012 07:01 AM (k4bdL)

5 Except that even if this piece of shit is repealed in its entirety, the precedent is now set that the federal gov't can mandate anything they want, attach a tax to it and you must comply. 10th Amendment is shit now, individual freedom is gone.

Posted by: H.L. Mencken's Ghost at June 28, 2012 07:01 AM (YFFpo)

6 Cuz Romney, father of the mandate, will repeal it. Ace, face it. Game over. 60 seats won't be won. And Romney is a pussy.

Posted by: lorien1973 at June 28, 2012 07:01 AM (0tkqC)

7 Build a moat around DC and nuke it.

Posted by: COUP D'ETAT at June 28, 2012 07:01 AM (qxcKC)

8 I am most displeased by this new Obama health care tax.

Posted by: fluffy at June 28, 2012 07:01 AM (z9HTb)

Well we have just created the British National Heathcare industry.

Its only a matter of time before it stinks so bad people will want rid of it.

Posted by: William Amos at June 28, 2012 07:01 AM (UgnFs)

10 Plan D is I am prevented from leaving the country and placed in a reeducation camp.

Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 07:01 AM (jWvMW)

11 Bye Bye Miss American Pie. It's been a noble experiment. RIP USA.

Posted by: Don McLean at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (msPO3)

So where the f___ does this leave me? I get my health insurance through grad school.

Will I have it next year? Where are the exchanges I was promised?

WTF?

Posted by: Jack at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (wUFaM)

13 Plan E is I am shot "while trying to escape."

Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (jWvMW)

14 Sure, I could have voted with the other conservatives and created a major shit storm. But if I really wanted to galvanize the electorate this November, what should I do? Hmmmmm, let me think, yeah, I'll vote with the idiots and put a laser focus on this monstrosity as the tax that it is.

Posted by: Chief "Crazylikeafox" Roberts at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (gK7BY)

15 H.L. Mencken's Ghost at June 28, 2012 11:01 AM (YFFpo)

Don't forget that government can now force you into contracts with private parties at their whim.

Enjoy your new life as a slave!

Posted by: lorien1973 at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (0tkqC)

16 I agree with the left, Bush is he worst fucking president to ever live. Fuck that asshole

Posted by: Mr Pink at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (MpDjI)

17 Hopefully this will wake people up. I am not pleased at this new Obama health care tax, and I am not pleased at this new precedent. Obama has got to go.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (caAEA)

18 Wow, when the Smartest Man in The World doesn't know its a tax...

Posted by: Crom at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (1WKq7)

19 Last year, in defending Romney--mittigating the MA mandate, I argued that a mandate=a tax=a mandate. Sorry to have been 100% correct.

Posted by: @ParisParamus at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (bN5ZU)

Sucks, doesn't it?

Posted by: Honduras at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (cUmUy)

21 It's over, man! Game over!

Posted by: Hudson at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (wUFaM)

22 Plan F is my entire family "disappears."

Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (jWvMW)

23 Well this sucks. Not sure we'll get Senate seats either.

Posted by: CDR M at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (F5pEv)

On Twitter

@andreamsaul: Over $100k already raised online for @MittRomney for #FullRepeal

Posted by: William Amos at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (UgnFs)

25 So, umm, how bout those Mets?

Posted by: Golan Globus at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (7vSU0)

26 Don't forget that government can now force you into contracts with private parties at their whim.

It's like the new draft, or something.

Posted by: fluffy at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (z9HTb)

27 Donating to Romney now ... never gave money to a political campaign in my life ... thats changin today

Posted by: SoCalMe at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (s72/N)

28 I'm miserable, but happy to see more people finally realizing what complete douchenozzles both Bushies were was tired of ranting to myself about it

Posted by: BlackOrchid-TeamDagny at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (SB0V2)

29 Don't Fence Me In!

Posted by: luaP noR at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (cUmUy)

30 Your "Plan A" requires there to be elections.

Posted by: Barack Obama, Dick-tator For Life at June 28, 2012 07:04 AM (tqwMN)

31 The celebrations of teh One in the press will be noiseful. As will the reportage of his bounce in the polls, some of which will be real.

Posted by: irright at June 28, 2012 07:04 AM (pMGkg)

32 Now you know what a "compassionate conservative" is.

Posted by: maddogg at June 28, 2012 07:04 AM (OlN4e)

33 We still have the economy which is by far the most important issue for November. The problem now is a deflated base and a middle that will now feel a bit more comfortable with Obamacare since it has been deemed Constitutional. But this political ruling, and that's what it is, hurts us politically.

Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 07:04 AM (ZGmNK)

34 Meant 60 Senate seats.

Posted by: CDR M at June 28, 2012 07:04 AM (F5pEv)

35 Daniel Hannan:

It's for the American people, through their elected representatives, to overturn Obamacare if they want

The Brit hasn't given up on America, neither should we!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (piMMO)

36 I love how people think this law means they'll be able to waltz into the dr's office and get cheap care and medicine. Unless you are one of the favored groups, your taxes, premiums, and wait times are going to go up, and your quality of care will go down.

Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (+usC4)

37 so I'm Obama's bitch, now, so I hear. Jeff B called it, again. I thought the mandate would get killed and the rest let to stand. Also had the notion the decision would be put off.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (/XJES)

38 Witness my Hash and share of its awesomeness!

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (cUmUy)

39 As I posted at FB:

So, Obamacare has been upheld. My predictions:

(1) Too many liberals will go on hatin' Chief Justice Roberts even though he went their way on the decision;

(2) too many conservatives will go on hatin' Justice Kennedy even though he's gone their way on a lot of previous decisions;

(3) the Obama Admin (as would any admin) will gloat all the way through November that their legislative feat was upheld;

(4) Team Romney will make getting control of the WH *and* Congress a big theme of their campaign, so that they can repeal.

In other words, let the politicking continue. Sigh.

(And yeah AOSers, I plead guilty to being a centrist squish. God have mercy on my soul.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (7B7jB)

40 I think at minimum I was hoping we lost the mandate part. I cannot believe that stands that's what is going to kill us. it doesn't matter really what happens now in the election sorry Ace, this is very bad. and lawyers! Lawyers have done this to us. the parasite has killed the host

Posted by: BlackOrchid-TeamDagny at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (SB0V2)

41 Plan G is all evidence of my existence is erased.

Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (jWvMW)

42 seriously, how did I get Sandra Fluke's Hash?

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (cUmUy)

43 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable tyrant. May he burn in hell.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (nUH8H)

44 Romney will never repeal it. It is, after all, constitutional.

Posted by: Daybrother at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (X3HIv)

45 Are we allowed to us the word "fuck" now?

Posted by: John F Not Kerry at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (HF2US)

46 So here's another benefit: the fucking media can't pussyfoot around this. When the 'pubs and those of us on the right start saying, "Obama STRIDENTLY said this was not a tax. He vowed to not raise taxes," the media cannot LIE and say, "THat's beside the point; this isn't a tax."

Yes it is. The only reason it was upheld is because it's supposedly a "TAX." Call a spade a spade and a club a club, media. Your chosen one raised taxes on a monumental scale. ENjoy the pain that will bring at the ballot box.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (CA2NO)

47 Kitteh-based editorial comment: https://twitter.com/VtheK/status/218346726271090688

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 28, 2012 07:06 AM (aGX9l)

48 Righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht
Plan A - with the Godfather MittCare in the White House - is really gonna work.

It's either Medically Induced Coma or Smoldering Meteor of Death

Posted by: Gerry at June 28, 2012 07:06 AM (knMIa)

49 Apparently J. Roberts has no common sense. Just another lawyer with the contortion skills of Houdini.

Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 07:06 AM (N2yhW)

50 Wait for it, Ace: there are going to be a whole horde of concern trolls out in force to tell us that, no, voting for Romney won't make any difference, it will never be overturned.

Our job has to be to HIT BACK HARD AT THESE TWATSCARS every time they march that bullshit out.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 07:06 AM (FCfv5)

51 Feeling stabby today.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 28, 2012 07:06 AM (44/AS)

Plan A is the better more legitimate way to go. But Plan B was the easier. Let's get on with it.

In - We should nominate more justices like Kennedy, solid conservatives.

Out - We want more justices in the mold of Roberts. Liberal traitor.

Of course if Mitt wins based on a popular uprising on this decision and then repeals Obamacare, we can say: "Roberts, you sly son-of-a-bitch, you laid a trap for Obamacare and stop the Commerce Clause expansion at the same time."

Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 07:06 AM (gmeXX)

53 Romney WILL repeal it, or face the consequences.

Posted by: maddogg at June 28, 2012 07:07 AM (OlN4e)

54 Meant 60 Senate seats.

Posted by: CDR M at June 28, 2012 11:04 AM (F5pEv)

We don't need 60 a tax can be repealed under reconcilliation. 51 votes

Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 07:07 AM (MtwBb)

55 Trying very hard to buck up here, but this is extremely though. Obama? Pelosi? Reid? And all their hateful, lunatic followers? It's their country now. My alienation from modern American culture is at an all-time high. This is what our ruling class wants. So how can we get a new ruling class?

Posted by: tsj017 at June 28, 2012 07:07 AM (4YUWF)

56 Yeah ,Plan A -that's the ticket.
Above all, don't be angry.

Posted by: LeBron Steinman at June 28, 2012 07:07 AM (jfWE9)

Call a spade a spade

Oh, that's racist.

Posted by: Maureen Dowdd at June 28, 2012 07:07 AM (cUmUy)

58 Article 5. Convention.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 28, 2012 07:07 AM (44/AS)

I like how on pg. 48 SCOTUS admits that taxes that promote or discourage certain behavior can become too punitive to be authorized but then decides it won't bother defining too punitive. Grow some balls already!

Posted by: whiseky lima at June 28, 2012 07:07 AM (5sou4)

60 Granted that McCain had no chance, period, to beat Obama in '08, but maybe if some "conservatives" and "conservative pundits" hadn't felated Obama on the altar of greatness the Senate might have been a bit more balanced. Go F yourselves.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 28, 2012 07:08 AM (dZ756)

61 Plan A was some people's plan A- it was never mine. I don't believe for a moment that a Republican legislature will vote to repeal this. The House can pass those bills now with impunity- they know the Senate will never take them up. But, come January, if we hold the Senate, you'll see them dry up. "Repeal and Replace" is still the mantra- they don't hate what this bill does, they're just happy to use the fact we hate it to buy themselves more power.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 07:08 AM (nUH8H)

62 Meanwhile, I'd like to thank Mr. Gaspard for that little lapse of good Twitter sense that's already being RT'd as motivation to push these fools out of power. Heh. They can't help themselves, can they?

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at June 28, 2012 07:08 AM (GBXon)

63 Jay Cost at The Weekly Standard already thinking with a cooler head.

Don't get me wrong, I think this "it's a tax" thing is a cutesy technicality. But this ruling slaps biggest limits on gov't in GENERATION

SCOTUS shorter, we put a nail in Commerce Clause. You guys sort out the rest of this mess.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 07:08 AM (piMMO)

this is two for two for the Supreme Clown, Roberts

I am SO-O-O-O-O-O upset with both the Arizona decision(s) and this one. I thought Kelo was the ultimate fascist stupidity. I was wrong.

Prediction: Obysmal gets reelected 52/48. We become Greece, bypassing the opportunity to be France first. Regular health insurance increases by 25% a year for the next three years and then starts to disappear entirely over the next five years. The Demoncrats inflate Obamacare into National Health Service. Your doctor tells you what you can eat and how much or you will be refused medical service.

It's called European health care (sic).

Posted by: chuck in st paul at June 28, 2012 07:08 AM (EhYdw)

65 Within a few years, ORomneycare will become like SS. An "untouchable" right.

Posted by: That guy at June 28, 2012 07:08 AM (a4lmz)

66 Sorry ace but plan B cant come before plan A. It just doesn't work like that.

Posted by: jones at June 28, 2012 07:08 AM (9KAw+)

67 Fellow Morons/Moronettes...

     We need to remember this....The Majority in the case called the mandate a TAX.... Choomer and his pals have consistently said that it was not a TAX. That is the point that Mitt and the others need to be driving home to ALL AMERICANS...CHOOMER JUST TAXED YOUR ASSESS... STALLED ANY RECOVERY (you don't think that business was waiting for this to come down?).

     Roberts may have just delivered us a gift horse by siding with the libtards on the court, by getting them to agree that the mandate is a tax.

     Just a thought...

Posted by: Mjölnir the banhammer at June 28, 2012 07:08 AM (Jls4P)

68 I haven't read the opinion but if this is a tax that means if you don't pay it it's like any other tax right? Jail, fines, garnishment?

Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 07:09 AM (MtwBb)

69 Look on the bright side, this won't go into effect until 2014. By that time it's going to be the least of your worries. good point, runninrebel and I'm laughing at my lazy liberal relatives who all think "yay free health care for me!" - last I checked you were legal white citizens so I don't think THAT'S gonna happen! lol

Posted by: BlackOrchid-TeamDagny at June 28, 2012 07:09 AM (SB0V2)

70 Supreme Court shows a distinct lack of intestinal fortitude. Cowardice seems to be the lifestyle they follow any more.

Posted by: maddogg at June 28, 2012 07:09 AM (OlN4e)

71 I'll put $100 on the first Banhammerin' happening before 12:15 pm est.

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 07:09 AM (cUmUy)

72 "Build a moat around DC and nuke it."

Its the only way to be sure

Posted by: jjmurphy at June 28, 2012 07:09 AM (gWO5X)

73 Another Internet ad no one will ever see. Awesome.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at June 28, 2012 07:09 AM (a/Pps)

74

16 I agree with the left, Bush is he worst fucking president to ever live. Fuck that asshole Posted by: Mr Pink

Chief Justice Traitor Motherfucker.

Bringing the nation together

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 07:09 AM (LrHKJ)

75 Plan H is ... there is no Plan H. Just more socialism. For as far as the eye can see. Just A Boot Stamping On A Human Face Forever.

Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 07:10 AM (jWvMW)

And now the Fast & Furious investigation will be portrayed in the media as a partisan witch hunt looking for revenge over Obamacare. Even though it was started back when nobody thought there was any chance that Obamacare would be struck down.

Another ray of sunshine to brighten your day.

Posted by: gebrauchshund at June 28, 2012 07:10 AM (iYwUw)

77 58
Article 5. Convention.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 28, 2012 11:07 AM (44/AS)

^^^

This

Posted by: H.L. Mencken's Ghost at June 28, 2012 07:10 AM (YFFpo)

78 Jay Cost's twitter feed https://twitter.com/JayCostTWS

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 07:10 AM (piMMO)

[Your "Plan A" requires there to be elections.- B.O.]

But your "Plan" requires a disarmed society.

Which it ain't.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at June 28, 2012 07:10 AM (SCcgT)

80 Fox Business is playing the video of Obama talking to Snuffaluffaguss telling George it is NOT a tax. Ha!

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 07:11 AM (X6akg)

81 I'm just getting ready to eat more of this tasty, tasty broccoli, so as to avoid the taxes soon to be incurred in the "Other Shit We Think is Good for You Act of 2013."

Posted by: Timbuck at June 28, 2012 07:11 AM (BZuvE)

I disagree with Jay Cost for 2 reasons: (1) the Commerece Clause is already huge. So it has some limits - that limit is basically at the edge of reasonableness. (2) the taxing power is the new Commerece Clause in that it basically has no limit.

This ruling does nothing of the sort in slapping any limits on the government. It basically affirms that the federal government can do anything.

Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 07:11 AM (gmeXX)

83 It's a momentum play, Ace.

You know how this goes. It allows him to say his law has been upheld and is Constitutional; have to think this over, but the avenues of attack have been drastically narrowed.

Thanks Roberts. It must have been great voting last, when that 4-4 split came around to you...

Posted by: Uriah Heep at June 28, 2012 07:11 AM (JdSQO)

84 Bold Prediction : Jack Benny will prove to be a piker. Millions of Americans will become "26 and holding".

Posted by: Gerry at June 28, 2012 07:11 AM (knMIa)

85 And now the Fast Furious investigation will be portrayed in the media as a partisan witch hunt looking for revenge over Obamacare. Even though it was started back when nobody thought there was any chance that Obamacare would be struck down.

****

DUDE! You're a little late on the draw on that one.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 07:11 AM (piMMO)

86 Romeny has raised a 100K online since Obamacare was upheld, market is dropping like a rock.

Wanna guess what the job market will look like next month?

This is going to be an interesting day.

Posted by: Bob from Virginia at June 28, 2012 07:11 AM (SBjsJ)

87 Well, at least I've had my long-simmering resentment of Bush making Roberts the Chief Justice over Thomas validated.

Of course now that this is a tax, didn't Congress (specifically the Senate) violate the Constitution in passing it first?

I'm completely confused.

Posted by: brian at June 28, 2012 07:11 AM (y05cf)

88

It's either Medically Induced Coma or Smoldering Meteor of Death

ACA Review Panels Say:

No coma for you!

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 07:11 AM (LrHKJ)

We don't need 60 a tax can be repealed under reconcilliation. 51 votes

Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 11:07 AM (MtwBb)

That's my thinking, too. It's possible they just made it easier to repeal this monstrosity.

Posted by: Mark at June 28, 2012 07:12 AM (fEXaF)

90 We don't need 60 a tax can be repealed under reconcilliation. 51 votes Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 11:07 AM We need 51 non-squish senators. If we elected 30 in November, we would then have about 40.

Posted by: irright at June 28, 2012 07:12 AM (pMGkg)

91 I don't want to sound like Debbie Blabbermouth Schulz and say we won by losing! I want to actually fucking win.

Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 07:12 AM (E0rp6)

92 Unfortunately this takes a lot of air out of the Holder contempt vote today.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 28, 2012 07:12 AM (kqqGm)

93 We control life, teabaggers, at all its levels. You are imagining that there is something called human nature which will be outraged by what we do and will turn against us. But we create human nature. Men are infinitely malleable.

Posted by: Axelbama at June 28, 2012 07:12 AM (jWvMW)

94 The good news is Romney can now (correctly) accuse Obama of lying about not increasing middle class taxes because he just got blessing on the largest middle class tax hike in the history of the republic.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 07:12 AM (tZAKt)

You know who would make a great Fluffer?

This guy.

Go ahead, ask Justice Roberts.

Posted by: Barakhenaten at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (cUmUy)

96 >>ALL AMERICANS...CHOOMER JUST TAXED YOUR ASSESS

Except for the following: people living in a household with income less than 300% of the poverty line; Muslim people; people under 26 with living, employed parents; people employed by state or federal government, including "educators"; people employed by unions; who am I missing?

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (/kI1Q)

97 We don't need 60 a tax can be repealed under reconcilliation. 51 votes

Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 11:07 AM (MtwBb)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

But we need 60 to overcome a filibuster by the democrats

Posted by: William Amos at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (UgnFs)

98 This worst part of this is that we lost a Supreme Court Justice.
Roberts walked across the line.
He can never come back.
Its as if The One got to nominate a third justice.

Posted by: RayJ at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (pI/IV)

99 If you are men, teabaggers, you are the last men. Your kind is extinct; we are the inheritors. Do you understand that you are alone? You are outside history, you are non-existent.

Posted by: Axelbama at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (jWvMW)

100 Will Yelp and Travel Advisor be telling us which Re-Education Camps to try for? Or should I just wait quietly for the sound of jackboots coming up my sidewalk?

Posted by: MTF at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (B5y+v)

101 Late for work. Sitting here in my underwear wondering what the fuck is the point.

Posted by: Alaskan Warthog at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (kdpzM)

102

From now on, all future plans will be made in 5-year increments. It is the communist way.

Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (gmeXX)

103 Ed Henry just tweeted:

Rep. Pelosi calls Vicki Kennedy and says, "Now Teddy can rest," per aide

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (piMMO)

104 At this point I have more faith in Plan 9 from Outer Space.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (jm/9g)

105 NOVEMBER

Posted by: Jason M at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (R8jeE)

106 The point is: Repeal the Sixteenth Amendment.

Posted by: Gerry at June 28, 2012 07:14 AM (knMIa)

107 Boortz is not happy right now

Posted by: jjmurphy at June 28, 2012 07:14 AM (gWO5X)

108 Ace: "So, Plan B Didn't Pan Out..." But Plan A requires that we elect the architect of ObamaCare to repeal it. I hear he was a severely conservative governor. Even if we win control of the Senate, the Dems will win again anyway. And Prez Romney isn't going to be all that worried over National RomneyCare once he's elected. Stop kidding yourself.

Posted by: TooCon at June 28, 2012 07:14 AM (YcTIW)

109 I asked in the other thread who the other commie was with Kagan (referenced in Ginsburg's dissent).

Fox says it's Breyer

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 07:14 AM (B/yDO)

110 The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love, or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy Â— everything.

Posted by: Axelbama at June 28, 2012 07:14 AM (jWvMW)

111

Posted by: William Amos at June 28, 2012 11:13 AM (UgnFs)

It's now a tax. You don't need 60 votes on budgetary items.

Posted by: Mark at June 28, 2012 07:14 AM (fEXaF)

112 people employed by unions; who am I missing?

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 11:13 AM (/kI1Q)

___

My two parakeets.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 07:14 AM (jm/9g)

113 >>Of course now that this is a tax, didn't Congress (specifically the Senate) violate the Constitution in passing it first?

Apparently the Constitution says Congress can do whatever the fuck it wants.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 07:14 AM (/kI1Q)

114

So, has Mister Hit the Ground Running commented yet? Don't see anything on Mitt's campaign site or twitter.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 07:14 AM (kdS6q)

115 And there's millions of unemployed people out there, who vote, wondering how the fuck they're going to come up with the money to pay this massive "tax".

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 07:14 AM (tZAKt)

116

Ummm.... Roberts is a dolt...

If this is a TAX... You CAN go to jail for Tax Evasion... ie, not paying your Tax.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2012 07:15 AM (lZBBB)

117 Bend over. Time to see if you've been eating your proper amount of broccoli.

Posted by: The Feds at June 28, 2012 07:15 AM (xAtAj)

118 Average Joe still sucks cock by choice, so at least some things remain a constant in this wildly changing world.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pudge at June 28, 2012 07:15 AM (QupBk)

119 Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.

Posted by: Axelbama at June 28, 2012 07:15 AM (jWvMW)

120 SH, agreed. Anyone hoping the Supreme Court would formally restrain the advance of the state under the commerce clause has been let down.

It's clear the founders sacrificed their life, liberty and families so that the government can tell a farmer how much wheat they can grow on their own land.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at June 28, 2012 07:15 AM (JdSQO)

121 The worse part about this is it really demoralizes our side.

Already, I can feel people simply wanting to say screw it, the country is going down in flames no matter what we do.

Posted by: Jake at June 28, 2012 07:15 AM (XDRsa)

122

Not only do we need 60 Senate votes, we need 60 votes for FULL REPEAL.

Repealing the Mandate will do jack shit.

We are well and truly FUCKED.

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 07:15 AM (LrHKJ)

123 Stu-22 writes: 4 And John Roberts is a retarded traitor. John Roberts did us a HUGE favor. This is a win for us.

Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 07:15 AM (0VqvZ)

124 More thoughts and research tasks:

1. What would it take to repeal the bill? Does it require a supermajority or just a majority?

2. According to Amy Howe at SCOTUSblog, your choices are 1. Carry no insurance and pay higher taxes; 2. Carry insurance and pay the same taxes. You can't carry no insurance and pay the same taxes. This needs to be emphasized over and over: The IRS will have to verify whether or not you carry insurance -- yet another burden on the American taxpayer.

Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 07:15 AM (RD7QR)

125 The plan has always been abundantly clear to us; Welcome to the party pal!

Posted by: The Chicken(s) at June 28, 2012 07:16 AM (HNn1q)

126 gee, I wonder how many Tea Party protests we'll see between now and November, hundreds I'd bet ... looks like Obama is toast ... lets steamroll the Senate and kill this thing with a 4 line law ...

Posted by: JeffC at June 28, 2012 07:16 AM (A3tpD)

127 If you think the electorate was divided before, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

Posted by: maddogg at June 28, 2012 07:17 AM (OlN4e)

128 Looks like instead of buying health care insurance you can just pay the tax which is probably cheaper... Justice Roberts- ****** Indeed, it is estimated that four million people each year will choose to pay the IRS rather than buy insurance. See Congressional Budget Office, supra, at 71. We would expect Congress to be troubled by that prospect if such conduct were unlawful. That Congress apparently regards such extensive failure to comply with the mandate as tolerable suggests that Congress did not think it was creating four million outlaws. It suggests instead that the shared responsibility payment merely imposes a tax -citizens may lawfully choose to pay in lieu of buying health insurance. ******

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 07:17 AM (r2PLg)

129

Oh... and if this is a TAX, what about the RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS to that Tax there Mr. Roberts? ( I will no longer call him Judge, he does not deserve it).

Can a TAX be imposed on one RELIGION, and not OTHERS?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2012 07:17 AM (lZBBB)

130 I like the cut of this Roberts' guy's jib.

Posted by: David Souter at June 28, 2012 07:17 AM (yPNqR)

131 It is time for you to gather some idea of what power means. The first thing you must realize is that power is collective. The individual only has power in so far as he ceases to be an individual. You know the Party slogan: "Diversity is Strength". Has it ever occurred to you that it is reversible? Strength is diversity. Alone, the human being is always defeated. It must be so, because every human being is doomed to die, which is the greatest of all failures. But if he can make complete, utter submission, if he can escape from his identity, if he can merge himself in the Party so that he is the Party, then he is all-powerful and immortal.

Posted by: Axelbama at June 28, 2012 07:17 AM (jWvMW)

132 And there's millions of unemployed people out there, who vote, wondering how the fuck they're going to come up with the money to pay this massive "tax".

Ahem....

Posted by: Other taxpayers at June 28, 2012 07:17 AM (GQ8sn)

133

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 11:15 AM (LrHKJ)

We don't need 60 votes anymore since it is now a tax. 51 will do.

Posted by: Mark at June 28, 2012 07:17 AM (fEXaF)

134

107 The point is: Repeal the Sixteenth Amendment.
Posted by: Gerry

**********

It has NOTHING to do with teh 16th Amend.

It is the general TAXING POWER in Article II

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 07:17 AM (LrHKJ)

135 >>And there's millions of unemployed people out there, who vote, wondering how the fuck they're going to come up with the money to pay this massive "tax".

Except they aren't. The media is telling them the Court saved their free healthcare from the evil Rethuglikkkans.

And we're all forgetting the subsidies for "low-income"[sic] households to meet the mandate.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 07:17 AM (/kI1Q)

136 Also, since the libs were saying that the court is a bunch of activist illegitimate assholes, doesn't this mean that this decision is not legitimate? And since being defeated was going to be awesome for Obama, doesn't this mean it is bad for him?

Posted by: Golan Globus at June 28, 2012 07:17 AM (7vSU0)

137 We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

Posted by: Axelbama at June 28, 2012 07:17 AM (jWvMW)

138
And there's millions of unemployed people out there, who vote, wondering how the fuck they're going to come up with the money to pay this massive "tax".

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv)

Sliding subsidy or expanded Medicaid, depending on income..

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 07:17 AM (kdS6q)

139 I'm heartbroken. Kennedy vs. Roberts? WTF??

What they have done is set off ten years of legal and political and familial war. And another Great Recession. If anything, businesses are more confused today than yesterday.

Yes, our side is demoralized. Does Mitt have anything better than "let's do it right"? What's your plan, Mitt? If he doesn't say, then Obamacare is in forever, with some nibbling around the margins by special interests.

Posted by: PJ at June 28, 2012 07:17 AM (DQHjw)

140 Curious, was this found good under the Article II taxing power or the 16th A? Not sure how it meets the apportionment requirement in Article II or is a tax on income in the 16th, but I didn't attend a fancy law school. I just read the Constiution like an average person would. Funny how lawyers always try to adopt reasonable person standards for everything but interpreting the Constitution.

Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 07:18 AM (gmeXX)

141 I told you Roberts was a sleazy twat

Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at June 28, 2012 07:18 AM (A9hpr)

142 We have learned nothing from Greece.

Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 07:18 AM (5UHkX)

143 Ace, there is no bright side here. Precedents have been set. This along with our rampant illegal alien stream just erodes us from both the inside and outside. It is finished.

Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 07:18 AM (N2yhW)

144 So, just to make sure I got this right, let me sum up: Despite the fact that taxes have to start in the House, the Senate passes healthcare through reconciliation because it's not a tax. It's just a reconciliation of the budget, which they haven't passed in 3 years, andit's powered by the commerce clause. Potus is overjoyed because this isn't a tax, he said so, and Nancy and her pals run it through. But wait, there is a problem and it gets al the way to the supreme court. The mandate, that's not a tax, is a massive overreach of teh commerce clause. So, the administration says that it isn't because it's a tax. The the court, including the strict constitutionalist judges rule 5-4 that it's ok because the mandate is a tax and the Congress can do that, despite that it came from the Senate and not the House.

The only thing yet to be answered is:Where is bizzaro Superman? Because, really, that's all i think we're missing.

Posted by: Rob B. at June 28, 2012 07:18 AM (q32Ly)

145 Hey!

I'm Thirsty!! Someone feed me!! Its time!!!

Posted by: The Tree of Liberty at June 28, 2012 07:18 AM (mLZe7)

146 But we need 60 to overcome a filibuster by the democrats

Posted by: William Amos at June 28, 2012 11:13 AM (UgnFs)

No you can't filibuster a reconcilliation bill. That's how the passed this thing in the first place.

Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 07:18 AM (MtwBb)

147 NEVER SAY DIE

FIGHT

DAMN YOU FIGHT

Mitt is a squish, but he's a malleable squish. Make the Wrong Man do the Right Thing.

FIGHT

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at June 28, 2012 07:18 AM (xAtAj)

148 >>Can a TAX be imposed on one RELIGION, and not OTHERS?

Apparently so.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 07:18 AM (/kI1Q)

149 The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites.

Posted by: Axelbama at June 28, 2012 07:18 AM (jWvMW)

150 Enough people do the above as Justice Roberts wrote-- Obama and his insurance company compatriots are-- ___KED....

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 07:18 AM (r2PLg)

151 Already, I can feel people simply wanting to say screw it, the country is going down in flames no matter what we do.Posted by: Jake

Easy. Just remind them that's exactly what Lefties were saying after 2000 and 2004.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 28, 2012 07:19 AM (famk3)

152

And Note...

Mr. Roberts was more worried about Congress's Power, then the Rights of the People... and EVEN SAID SO.... ie that any possible interpretation of Constitutionality must be given to the Congress's veiwpoint...

The Supreme Court just announced that it sides with the Government, agianst the Rights of the People.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2012 07:19 AM (lZBBB)

153 Everyone is forgetting that this also insures an increase in the size, scope and intrusion of the IRS into EVERYONE'S lives.

You will have to justify and prove any and all assertions of compliance to a politicized, faceless bureaucrat or face being made a non-citizen.

Remember also that they've made it illegal to use or apply for a passport if the IRS so much as THINKS you owe any money.

Welcome to the Stalag, Kamerad.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 28, 2012 07:19 AM (CP+yl)

154 So, has Mister Hit the Ground Running commented yet? Don't see anything on Mitt's campaign site or twitter.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 11:14 AM (kdS6q)

he's going to replace it...someday.....maybe.....if we're really lucky and GOP stops being the stupid party.

tdlr have to elect him to find out

Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 07:19 AM (tw6Ar)

155

Getting a full repeal to the floor takes 60.

Otherwise we have to try this gut and stuff bullshit.

It is just another way of saying "It ain't gonna happen"

Fucked we is and fucked we will remain

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 07:19 AM (LrHKJ)

156 @57 Yeah ,Plan A -that's the ticket. Above all, don't be angry. I am freaking angry, and can't imagine Romney winning now that that vile evil SCFOAMF struts around telling everyone he is right, we are wrong. No way are we going to win....

Posted by: chai at June 28, 2012 07:19 AM (d9X/q)

157 Do not imagine that you will save yourself, teabaggers, however completely you surrender to us. No one who has once gone astray is ever spared. And even if we chose to let you live out the natural term of your life, still you would never escape from us. What happens to you here is forever. Understand that in advance. We shall crush you down to the point from which there is no coming back. Things will happen to you from which you could not recover, if you lived a thousand years. Never again will you be capable of ordinary human feeling. Everything will be dead inside you. Never again will you be capable of love, or friendship, or joy of living, or laughter, or curiosity, or courage, or integrity. You will be hollow. We shall squeeze you empty and then we shall fill you with ourselves.

Posted by: Axelbama at June 28, 2012 07:19 AM (jWvMW)

158 >>Also, since the libs were saying that the court is a bunch of activist illegitimate assholes, doesn't this mean that this decision is not legitimate?

Stalin is jealous of 21st century proggs' airbrushes.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 07:20 AM (/kI1Q)

159 Plan A didn't include Mitt Romney. Better find a different plan.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 28, 2012 07:20 AM (EtuU3)

160 We should've smelled a rat when Roberts had no issue with Kagan staying on this case.

Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 07:20 AM (JSfNz)

161 "Plan A was always to win the Senate and the White House and flush this piece of shit down the toilet through reconciliation." Well, then, we better hope that that plan pans out. Because if it doesn't, it's the end of us as a free people.

Posted by: Ed Snyder at June 28, 2012 07:20 AM (Vrwmo)

162 White Folk Hardest Hit

Posted by: Barakhenaten I at June 28, 2012 07:20 AM (cUmUy)

163 SH writes: 52 Of course if Mitt wins based on a popular uprising on this decision and then repeals Obamacare, we can say: "Roberts, you sly son-of-a-bitch, you laid a trap for Obamacare and stop the Commerce Clause expansion at the same time." THIS.

Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 07:20 AM (0VqvZ)

164 The command of the old despotisms was Thou Shalt Not. The command of the totalitarians was Thou Shalt. Our command is Thou Art. No one whom we bring to this place ever stands out against us. Everyone is washed clean.

Posted by: Axelbama at June 28, 2012 07:20 AM (jWvMW)

165 They will mandate we buy products from sleazy green companies, or pay a tax.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 07:21 AM (LnQr8)

166 >>he's going to replace it...someday.....maybe.

All he can do is sign stuff Congress gives him.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 07:21 AM (/kI1Q)

167

Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 11:18 AM (MtwBb)

Not quite. The Senate needed 60 votes to pass it originally.

Posted by: Mark at June 28, 2012 07:21 AM (fEXaF)

168 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 07:21 AM (Xb3hu)

169 Johnathan H. Alder is shoveling like mad, convinced there's got to be a pony in there somewhere: http://tinyurl.com/7vkhy2g

Posted by: Timbuck at June 28, 2012 07:21 AM (BZuvE)

170 We don't need 60 votes anymore since it is now a tax. 51 will do. At best, it would allow the mandate/tax portion to be repealed, but not the must-issue etc parts to done away with. From a policy point of view, that's worse than what we have. No forced coverage + must issue/preexisting conditions = no private health insurance companies. NIH here we come.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pudge at June 28, 2012 07:21 AM (QupBk)

171

I told you that Kennedy was posturing.

Just so much more reinforcement of the commerce clause.

That is what should be repealed.

Posted by: Cluebat from Exodar at June 28, 2012 07:21 AM (JSetw)

172 Posted by: Axelbama at June 28, 2012 11:19 AM (jWvMW)

Barry and the Dems are using 1984 at their script

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2012 07:21 AM (1Jaio)

173 Ace, there is no bright side here. Precedents have been set. This along with our rampant illegal alien stream just erodes us from both the inside and outside. It is finished.

Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 11:18 AM (N2yhW)

WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR?????

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 07:22 AM (rzSn3)

174 If this doesn't get the base fired up, nothing will.

It is time to get to work.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at June 28, 2012 07:22 AM (vSiVD)

175

124

Not only do we need 60 Senate votes, we need 60 votes for FULL REPEAL.

Repealing the Mandate will do jack shit.

We are well and truly FUCKED.

Why can't repeal be passed by 51 votes?

Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 07:22 AM (Ks0w4)

176 All he can do is sign stuff Congress gives him.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 11:21 AM (/kI1Q)

but he can shape it behind the scenes and well....it's Romney and the Stupid Party

Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 07:22 AM (tw6Ar)

177 Getting a full repeal to the floor takes 60.

Otherwise we have to try this gut and stuff bullshit.

It is just another way of saying "It ain't gonna happen"

Fucked we is and fucked we will remain

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 11:19 AM (LrHKJ)

No we don't, they passed it under reconcilliation

Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 07:22 AM (MtwBb)

178

Posted by: Gregc at June 28, 2012 07:23 AM (TaUuj)

179

This along with our rampant illegal alien stream just erodes us from both the inside and outside. It is finished.

I'm Back, Baby!

Posted by: Polio at June 28, 2012 07:23 AM (cUmUy)

180 @bdomenech RT @carney: The conclusion of Kennedy's dissent is aimed pretty directly at Roberts, scolding him for dropping the ball.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 07:23 AM (d6QMz)

181

>>Why can't repeal be passed by 51 votes?

The initial bill got 60. Parts can be reconciled out (such as the tax), but 1) the end-result must reduce the deficit and 2) non-budget aspects are subject to the Byrd rule (which means 60 votes).

Posted by: David Souter at June 28, 2012 07:23 AM (yPNqR)

182 It originally passed 56 to 43

Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 07:23 AM (MtwBb)

183 So .. now can we official call it the BIGGEST tax increase in US history?

Posted by: Mark X at June 28, 2012 07:23 AM (bPKsO)

184 any law passed under reconcilliation can be repealled under reconcilliation ...

Posted by: JeffC at June 28, 2012 07:24 AM (A3tpD)

185 The Supreme Court just announced that it sides with the Government, agianst the Rights of the People.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2012 11:19 AM (lZBBB)

The Supremes have never been the defenders of the people. Ask Dred Scott.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 07:24 AM (rzSn3)

186 66 Within a few years, ORomneycare will become like SS. An "untouchable" right.

Posted by: That guy at June 28, 2012 11:08 AM (a4lmz)

You got that right.

Posted by: Mohamend in London at June 28, 2012 07:24 AM (vSiVD)

187 Forgive me if someone already made this point, but it's a nice sunny day and I want to play outside:

So Mr. 'Big Brain' Barack Obama, Professor Smarty-Pants Constitutional law adjunct lecturer genius of the ages insists that the individual mandate cannot be considered a tax /no way I'm brilliant I used to teach this stuff/ and the Supreme Court decides the only way Obamacare floats is that the mandate be considered a tax. So which way does Mr. Big Brain swing? #1: I was lying all the time? or #2: I'm really too dumb to have known anything about this?? Of course, his minions in the press aren't going to be gauche enough to really ask him this question, but we have no such self-imposed restraint.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at June 28, 2012 07:25 AM (VMcoS)

188

>>No we don't, they passed it under reconciliation

No, it passed with 60 votes in December of 09. It was only amended by reconciliation. And in any event, non-budgetary items are subject to the Byrd Rule and can't be done in reconciliation.

Posted by: David Souter at June 28, 2012 07:25 AM (yPNqR)

189

Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 11:22 AM (Ks0w4)

It can be repealed now with only 51 votes. It's now a tax. Whether that applies just to the mandate, I cannot say.

Posted by: Mark at June 28, 2012 07:25 AM (fEXaF)

190 If ObamaCare can be passed with 51 votes in the Senate, it can be repealed with 51 votes in the Senate.

Now that it's a tax though, it becomes a budget issue that only requires 51.

If you can get a GOP Congress and White house, you can kill it.

Posted by: BradleyJ at June 28, 2012 07:25 AM (XDRsa)

191 C'monnnn Plan A. Baby needs new shoes.......

Posted by: eleven at June 28, 2012 07:25 AM (KXm42)

192 "159 Do not imagine that you will save yourself, teabaggers, however completely you surrender to us. No one who has once gone astray is ever spared. And even if we chose to let you live out the natural term of your life, still you would never escape from us. What happens to you here is forever. Understand that in advance. We shall crush you down to the point from which there is no coming back. Things will happen to you from which you could not recover, if you lived a thousand years. Never again will you be capable of ordinary human feeling. Everything will be dead inside you. Never again will you be capable of love, or friendship, or joy of living, or laughter, or curiosity, or courage, or integrity. You will be hollow. We shall squeeze you empty and then we shall fill you with ourselves. Posted by: Axelbama at June 28, 2012 11:19 AM (jWvMW)" Pretty much how I'm feeling right now.

Posted by: tsj017 at June 28, 2012 07:25 AM (4YUWF)

193 We need 51 non-squish senators. If we elected 30 in November, we would then have about 40.

Posted by: irright at June 28, 2012 11:12 AM (pMGkg)

Not if you scare enough of the Squishes...

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 07:25 AM (rzSn3)

194

Posted by: David Souter at June 28, 2012 11:25 AM (yPNqR)

It is a budgetary item since now it's a tax.

Posted by: Mark at June 28, 2012 07:26 AM (fEXaF)

195 It never got 60 votes

Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 07:26 AM (MtwBb)

196 I want to see a fucking tidal wave of Tea Party Patriots get voted in.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at June 28, 2012 07:26 AM (xAtAj)

197 145---" Ace, there is no bright side here. Precedents have been set. This along with our rampant illegal alien stream just erodes us from both the inside and outside. It is finished." Yes it is finished. DEAD. It's every man for himself now.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 28, 2012 07:26 AM (C8mVl)

198 Getting a full repeal to the floor takes 60.Otherwise we have to try this gut and stuff bullshit.It is just another way of saying "It ain't gonna happen"Fucked we is and fucked we will remain Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 11:19 AM (LrHKJ) "The Reconciliation Option" http://bit.ly/MyiP6j (NRO)

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 07:26 AM (d6QMz)

199

Don't ask me. I'm actually the third Dred Scott.

You would have to ask the Original Dred Pirate Scott. I believe he retired to Curacao...

Posted by: Dred Pirate Scott at June 28, 2012 07:26 AM (cUmUy)

200 The House passes one bill, any bill, the Senate passes another bill on same subject, and then the committee puts in a amendment that eliminates the entirety of the Obamacare Law and Tax, and thus, 50 votes needed to repeal... Ugly yes...

Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 07:27 AM (Bxm/r)

201 After this decision and the Transportation bill. I am voting for only Democrat/Socialists. We need to push the country to the financial breaking point as fast as possible and start over. No one in Washington represents the people anymore. Our supposed conservative Republicans are spineless gits only in it for themselves.

Posted by: Gregc at June 28, 2012 07:27 AM (TaUuj)

202

Â“My name is Ronald Reagan. One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people, has been by way of medicine."

Margaret Thatcher, on being complimented on turning back the clock on lots of U.K. socialism in the '80s, admitted she should have done more but couldn't because the National Health Service had its tentacles in everything.

I believe these statements were uppermost in the minds of our current commie regime.

Posted by: RushBabe at June 28, 2012 07:27 AM (tQHzJ)

203 Axelbama is good. Too good. Prophesy, unless we change it.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at June 28, 2012 07:28 AM (xAtAj)

204 Now that it's a tax though, it becomes a budget issue that only requires 51.

If you can get a GOP Congress and White house, you can kill it.

Posted by: BradleyJ at June 28, 2012 11:25 AM (XDRsa)

What has to happen it that it needs to be attached to the budget and repealed under reconcilliation. That is the way they passed it. It never got 60 votes. The house had to vote again on the reconcilliation bill .

Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 07:28 AM (MtwBb)

205 So Roberts looks around him and sees Kagan, Sotomeyer, Ginzburg and Stevens' standing on his side. Then he sees Black, Thomas, Scalia and kennedy standing on the other side and he doesn's see something wrong with this picture?

Posted by: Ohio Dan at June 28, 2012 07:28 AM (JKNDp)

206
Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) said he was Â“a little bit surprised, a little bit disappointed. But you have to respect the Supreme Court.Â”

Insha'Allah

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 07:28 AM (kdS6q)

207

Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 11:26 AM (MtwBb)

It had to get 60 votes the first go round because it was a non-budgetary item. That's why the Scott Brown election was so big. They couldn't go back and change it after the initial passage. The House then had to accept the original Senate version.

Posted by: Mark at June 28, 2012 07:28 AM (fEXaF)

208 Money bomb every Republican candidate with a chance to take down a Dem. We need to take the senate!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 07:28 AM (piMMO)

209 So now we have to rely on our great Senators and Representatives to repeal this monstrosity. I wish I could say that made me feel better.

Posted by: DangerGirl at June 28, 2012 07:28 AM (g7vVd)

210 The Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution to prevent the government from arbitrarily imposing fines on citizens without due process, and to prevent the government from ordering citizens to confess to the charges. Now government can impose taxes on citizens who engage in activity that Congress can't constitutionally regulate, and order us to confess compliance with the goverment's desires, and punish upon our declaration. And Roberts says that is a political problem the Court doesn't care about.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 28, 2012 07:28 AM (3GtyG)

211 155 Everyone is forgetting that this also insures an increase in the size, scope and intrusion of the IRS into EVERYONE'S lives.
Welcome to the Stalag, Kamerad.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger

///
Nah, it'll be more like the reincarnation of the NKVD.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (dZ756)

212 150 ---"Can a TAX be imposed on one RELIGION, and not OTHERS?" Of course!

Posted by: MOHAMMED at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (C8mVl)

213

>>Democrat/Socialists

You repeat yourself.

Posted by: Congressional Progressive Caucus at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (yPNqR)

214 And we're all forgetting the subsidies for "low-income"[sic] households to meet the mandate.

Gotta believe everyone on food stamps will be subsidized then. Obama has grown the roles of food stamp recipients at record rates.

Obviously, now any struggling people who were trying to tough out this depression without "going into the system" are now going to be compelled to do so to avoid tax problems with the IRS. When they're forced to do that, they're going to say "fuck it, I've been an idiot trying to tough this out" and go ALL IN. Food stamps, disability claims, HEAP, AFDC, etc.

There are still people out there who believed that accepting govt assistance was a taint and shameful if you were able to scrape by without it. No more. Their will has been broken and they're start surfacing by the millions and the costs of this (and other assistance's they'll apply for) are going to skyrocket beyond even the wildest cost overrun estimates.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (tZAKt)

215 Spare me the arguments that Roberts has some secret agenda to mobilize conservatives. If that's what he did, he should be impeached because conservative voter motivation is not his job. His job is to rule the mandate unconsistutional, not waive his unicorn wand and declare an unconstitutional mandate a "tax." As for Plan B - good luck with that. Too many "ifs" required to make that one work. And the big campaign gift of campaigning on this as a tax? The spin from Obama's toadies in the media will be that this is a "tax" on the eeeevil insurance companies and the majority of stupid, clueless twits who outnumber the rest of us will buy that pig in a poke. When the reality hits next year, the election will already be over.

Posted by: Natasha at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (jU5uf)

216 I'm Back, Baby!

Posted by: Polio at June 28, 2012 11:23 AM (cUmUy)

Me too!

Posted by: Small Pox at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (0paMD)

217
While we wait for Mitt to wake up:

Sarah Palin, via Twitter: Â“Obama lied to the American people. Again. He said it wasnÂ’t a tax. Obama lies, freedom dies.Â”

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 07:30 AM (kdS6q)

218 When does the must-issue part of ACA come into effect?

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pudge at June 28, 2012 07:30 AM (QupBk)

219 Yeah, good luck with getting congressmen to give up a trillion dollar spending program giving them power over a fifth of the nation's economy. Especially when trying to get rid of it opens them up to attacks of hating the elderly, the poor, and minorities.
Good luck with that. This was the final nail in the economic coffin. We had a nice run for a couple hundred years, but democracies are suicidal.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2012 07:30 AM (r4wIV)

220 The video is weak, but at least the Romney team had it ready.

I'm liking this flipflopper's rapid response team more and more.

#fullrepeal ready and trending.

Posted by: Chief at June 28, 2012 07:31 AM (gK7BY)

221 202 The House passes one bill, any bill, the Senate passes another bill on same subject, and then the committee puts in a amendment that eliminates the entirety of the Obamacare Law and Tax, and thus, 50 votes needed to repeal... Ugly yes...

Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 11:27 AM (Bxm/r)

But fitting, since that's the way we got the abomination in the first place. (We really, really need some actual constitutional scholars to opine on how to go about repealing it.)

Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 07:31 AM (RD7QR)

222

Hary Reid will never allow the vote to come to the Senate floor and SCOAMF would never sign it, so in reality nothing legislatively can be done about this until next year.

Boehner and Cantor are really going out on a limb, aren't they, scheduling a House vote for a repeal bill two weeks from now, knowing the bill goes nowhere. Their courage is so impressive. (spit)

And the last dangling threads of the rights of the individual in this country are going to be defended by . . . Romney and this bunch of p******?

Yeah, right.

I have no faith in these weasels.

Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 07:32 AM (Ks0w4)

223
Presidential candidate Mitt Romney has announced that he will hold a press conference this afternoon to announce his reaction to the decision.

No hurry, When you can get to it....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 07:32 AM (kdS6q)

224 There's nothing in the arguments given by the hapless solicitor from the White House that was convincing enough to get judges to sign on to this. It was sheer cowardice over opening up a huge can of worms over commerce clause-based legislation and the pomposity of the court never wanting to remotely question previous decisions. No matter what your political leaning, when it comes down to making the court look bad, justices will always side with the reputation of courts.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2012 07:32 AM (r4wIV)

225 Hugh Hewitt is busy defending Roberts. Like a Mitt man would.

Posted by: A ray of sunshine at June 28, 2012 07:33 AM (AZGON)

226 Since businesses need to plan based on what IS, not what they hope to be, I imagine there will be some very negative consequences very soon.

Posted by: jjmurphy at June 28, 2012 07:33 AM (gWO5X)

227 It will never be repealed. It will be nibbled at in the same way Eisenhower didn't touch ANY of the New Deal programs, nor did Reagan touch Medicaid, Medicare, or Social Security (in all fairness he never had both chambers of Congress). Get used to it.
Mitt will try to pass a repeal. There will be a key defection in the Senate (like Scott Brown) and it will go nowhere. He will then say "Oh well" and move on to other business.

Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 07:34 AM (E0rp6)

228
Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) issued a particularly tough statement: Â“Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be Â‘constitutionalÂ’ does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional. While the court may have erroneously come to the conclusion that the law is allowable, it certainly does nothing to make this mandate or government takeover of our health care right.

ObamaCare is wrong for Americans. It will destroy our health care system. This now means we fight every hour, every day until November to elect a new President and a new Senate to repeal ObamaCare.Â”

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 07:34 AM (kdS6q)

229 Is it my imagination, or is this truly one of the most incoherent SCOTUS decisions in recent history?

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at June 28, 2012 07:34 AM (GBXon)

230

>>>Hugh Hewitt is busy defending Roberts. Like a Mitt man would.

You know who this helps? Well besides the obvious "Not America".

Posted by: Dr. H. H. at June 28, 2012 07:34 AM (yPNqR)

231 Wait until those elderly get a taste of the inevitable rationing. There's one thing the elderly do - they talk to each other about medical shit all the time. If Joe/Jane is put on palative care and shunted off to die because they're old and it "wasn't economical to treat their cancer", its going to cause tectonic shocks in the electorate.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 07:35 AM (tZAKt)

232

>like Scott Brown) and it will go nowhere. He will then say "Oh well" and >move on to other business.

Hold on there, partner.

Posted by: American Indian Hero Elizabeth Warren at June 28, 2012 07:35 AM (yPNqR)

233 It had to get 60 votes thefirst go round because it was a non-budgetary item. That's why the Scott Brown election was so big. They couldn't go back and change it after the initial passage. The House then had to accept the original Senate version.

Posted by: Mark at June 28, 2012 11:28 AM (fEXaF)

I guess you are right , they passed it initially in december 60 to 39 then ammended it under reconcilliation after the house changed it. We're fucked.

Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 07:35 AM (MtwBb)

234

227

Hewitt, Mitt's chief cheerleader in 2008. Thanks, asshole.

And the squishes continue to smooth the way for the libturds.

I have no faith in these weasels.

Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 07:35 AM (Ks0w4)

235 Question: any comment by the SC on severability? Here's my concern, Senate votes to repeal tax but the rest of the bullshit stands. Can this happen or am I overthinking things?

Posted by: DangerGirl at June 28, 2012 07:37 AM (GwyfB)

236

Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 11:35 AM (MtwBb)

We're not fucked because now it is a budgetary item (a tax) and does not need the 60 vote threshold.

Posted by: Mark at June 28, 2012 07:37 AM (fEXaF)

237

230
Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) issued a particularly tough statement.

So help me God, I wish this man had not sprung from Ron Paul's loins . . . otherwise, I love him!

Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 07:37 AM (Ks0w4)

238

@67 Roberts may have just delivered us a gift horse by siding with the libtards on the court, by getting them to agree that the mandate is a tax.

That's the way that I'm seeing it.

Think about it this way - Obama lied. Every Democrat who voted for this abomination is now on the hook for the largest tax increase in the history of the United States. ONLY Democrats voted to pass this thing.

Obamacare is now officially a TAX - it is not (and never was) insurance.

Check out the wording in the Obamacare bill about how much everyone has to pay for this - it was ALWAYS a progressive tax.

So Obama just raised everyone's taxes. A lot.

Own that, bitches.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 28, 2012 07:37 AM (0xqzf)

239 From this day forward my flag flies upside down.

Posted by: teej at June 28, 2012 07:38 AM (8xOfO)

240 Try getting on the MittRomney.com website. Impossible.

Posted by: Chief at June 28, 2012 07:39 AM (gK7BY)

241

Posted by: jjmurphy at June 28, 2012 11:33 AM (gWO5X)

DOW down 134....

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2012 07:39 AM (lZBBB)

242 I always thought that when the house and senate passed a tax they had to tell you it was a tax. Not let the supreme court decide to tax us.

Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 07:39 AM (MtwBb)

243

>>Question: any comment by the SC on severability?

They said Congress's intent would have been to allow severability and not let the whole POS [improvising] come crashing down.

Posted by: Not Dick Saslaw at June 28, 2012 07:40 AM (yPNqR)

244 Well if we win the Senate and Presidency, the best thing to do to retaliate would be to GUT Welfare, Medicaid and foodstamps in the budget down to $0 to hurt all the democratic parasites on those programs in order to force Reid to allow a vote on the non-budgetary items of Obamacare. The only way to get this done is to be ruthless and we don't have the people in power for it.

Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 07:40 AM (E0rp6)

245 On the bright side, I read an article a few days ago that bird flu has mutated itself one step closer to human-to-human transmission. So we've got that going for us. Save us, pestilent birds! You're our only hope.

Posted by: TiredWench at June 28, 2012 07:40 AM (oPceJ)

246 I just wish this had happened 15 years ago. (Okay, it's my own fault because I knew the direction we were inexorably headed.) I raised my kids wrong. Damn.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 28, 2012 07:40 AM (C8mVl)

247 Our insurance premium under Bush: $250 Our insurance premium under Obama: $685 Our house payment, for comparison: $550

Posted by: Mindy at June 28, 2012 07:40 AM (xX+1R)

248 @233 Then Democrats can win on the promise of increasing benefits and care while ninnies like boehner whine about budgets. I don't really see how the GOP is the path to salvation. It gave us Chief Justice Roberts.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 07:40 AM (g2ldK)

249 227 Hugh Hewitt is busy defending Roberts. Like a Mitt man would.

Posted by: A ray of sunshine at June 28, 2012 11:33 AM (AZGON)

I am so sick of Hugh Hewitts act. His constant harping on 'immigration isn't a big deal', and he says he lives in SoCal? Yeah.. In Pacific Palisades? You elitist piece of shit

His love affair with E.J. Dionne is something I cannot understand. I think its letting the mask slip. He lets Dionne get away with calling the tea party a creepy cult on his own show.. along with bashing Beck for stuff that isn't even true, like spreading Obama muslim stuff.. Which is Beck being sarcastic. Hewitt is an idiot.

You cannot be friends with someone who hates your guts

Posted by: Can of Raid at June 28, 2012 07:41 AM (mLZe7)

250 I don't really see how the GOP is the path to salvation. It gave us Chief Justice Roberts.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 11:40 AM (g2ldK)

and Mitt, Bush family etc etc

Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 07:41 AM (tw6Ar)

251 >>No forced coverage + must issue/preexisting conditions = no private health insurance companies.

Don't forget the 119 new federal agencies, half of which discriminate based on race or gender.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 07:42 AM (/kI1Q)

252 It doesn't matter anymore Ace. It really doesn't. Even if we repeal the bill, the Court has ruled that you can tax inactivity. That means that the government, through penalty, can dictate all behavior. We are no longer free.

Posted by: NJRob at June 28, 2012 07:43 AM (FVp26)

253 We need a human chain of 30 million people alla the Baltic Way
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Baltic_Way
That would send a message

Posted by: Alex at June 28, 2012 07:44 AM (uFY4s)

254 @254, this. A constitutional amendment is necessary at this point. Anyone talking about Obamacare is missing the point.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 07:45 AM (g2ldK)

255 Well, the DJIA just crashed off 100 points. I wouldn't be surprised if it opened down a few hundred on Monday once people grok all the ramifications of this.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 07:45 AM (tZAKt)

256 Rand Paul is the man.

I'd vote for that man in a heart-beat. Unfortunately it is not 2016.

We don't have time. Mitt is what we have got.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at June 28, 2012 07:45 AM (xAtAj)

257

Sooo... Obama said it was NOT a Tax, Congress said it was not a Tax... they told us it was not a Tax.... But Roberts says it is a Tax...

So... just where in the Consitution does the Supreme Court, get the ability to create Taxs?

Our system is done... Constitution no longer matter... rule of law has been suborned...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2012 07:46 AM (lZBBB)

258 Oh... and if this is a TAX, what about the RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS to that Tax there Mr. Roberts? ( I will no longer call him Judge, he does not deserve it).

Can a TAX be imposed on one RELIGION, and not OTHERS?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2012 11:17 AM (lZBBB)

If I recall correctly, Ann Barnhardt has ceased paying taxes and makes no secret of it. She refuses to fund abortions. The religious aspect of this should make for some interesting court cases.

Posted by: RushBabe at June 28, 2012 07:46 AM (tQHzJ)

259

Obamacare is now officially a TAX - it is not (and never was)insurance.

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You may know that and I may know that, but if the sheep don't know that, it doesn't make a damned bit of difference. The average voter will know one thing from this decision: ObamaCare is constitutional. He was right.

On no level does that help our side.

Posted by: TiredWench at June 28, 2012 07:46 AM (oPceJ)

260 If I were the Romney/RNC/SuperPAC guys I would be pumping out the youtube videos and commercials first with a clip Obama stating that the ACA was not a tax, follow up with a clip of him rambling on about not a dime in taxes for those making 250,000 a year, and then smack a news headline up about Obamacare being upheld as a tax.

Romney also needs to hammer the bejeebers out of him on this during campaign speeches and in the debates.

Game... Set... Match.

Posted by: Astyrix at June 28, 2012 07:47 AM (fFpLz)

261

>>His love affair with E.J. Dionne is something I cannot understand.

Dionne has to be the most hackish columnist out there. It's not just his irritating liberalism, it's his mind-numbing predictability.

Posted by: Not Dick Saslaw at June 28, 2012 07:48 AM (yPNqR)

262 Even if we repeal the bill, the Court has ruled that you can tax inactivity. That means that the government, through penalty, can dictate all behavior. We are no longer free

Yep. Its a vile evil precedent. John Roberts will go down in the history books with the same taint as Tanney did.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 07:49 AM (tZAKt)

263 Astyrix I agree, this was a gargantuan tax increase according to the Supreme Court, which the Obama administration will praise for being so wise and accurate now. That's enough to use in an ad, even if Romney is secretly overjoyed his scheme for health insurance is now permanently law.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2012 07:49 AM (r4wIV)

264

Posted by: Mindy at June 28, 2012 11:40 AM (xX+1R)

B4 Obamacare - 225

After Obamacare - 835

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 07:49 AM (cUmUy)

265 Who is John Galt?

Posted by: Rule #2 at June 28, 2012 07:50 AM (cCyuh)

266 What is SMOD?

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at June 28, 2012 07:51 AM (xAtAj)

267 I wouldn't be surprised if the Dow dropped 1000 or more by monday. This is a disaster. The medical industry is going to fire many people today. All MRI's, CT scans, and Echo's now are taxed at 10%, which will translate to a 25% rise to patients. As a tech, I was fired a month after Obamacare was passed.

BTW, doctors didn't know what was going on with Obamacare.. why? Because they work long hours. They cannot pay attention to politics. Any doctors backing this aren't real doctors, but research Dr.'s working at universities living in the land of theory.

FUCK THEM ALL. I WILL NOT COMPLY

Posted by: Can of Raid at June 28, 2012 07:51 AM (mLZe7)

268 Okay, I didn't think I wanted this originally, but now I want Rand Paul as the VP candidate. I know he's only been in office for a short time, but if we don't get someone in the top seat, we're going to hell in a handbasket ASAP. No one else that's viable seems serious about limiting government intrusion on private lives.

Posted by: NJRob at June 28, 2012 07:52 AM (FVp26)

269 Oh yes, business is going to crater. They've been holding their breaths, desperately hoping that this would get killed. Now they know. All that's left is to find out just how MUCH its going to cost, not whether. Jobs they've been retaining hoping they could keep them on? Gone. Expansions they were planning? Gone. Businesses hanging on by their fingernails? Gone. Our economy?
Gone.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2012 07:53 AM (r4wIV)

270 Will this guarantee Bobby Jindal as VP given his background in the healthcare field?

Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 07:53 AM (E0rp6)

271

The idea Roberts did what he did in order to somehow undercut Obama's reelection chances is mistaken, in my view. The passage and now-validated constitutionality of the Affordable Health Care Act is a legitimate victory for the Democratic Party, and can't be spun any other way. Roberts' commerce clause/mandate-as-tax distinction is just semantic dancing. The dictatorial power of the federal government is, for all intents and purposes, now unbounded.

Even more, Roberts just handed the Obama campaign the big win they so desperately needed right now, both politically and psychologically, meaning this election will probably be very close, within the margin of error to election day, which means, given the advantages inherent to the incumbent and barring an immediate economic catastrophe or foreign policy crisis, defeating Obama's reelection bid has been made that much harder.

I hope Justice Roberts is villified and condemned in whatever uncensored history books that remain after the fall of the Republic.

Posted by: troyriser at June 28, 2012 07:54 AM (vtiE6)

272 So this ruling moves the focus back to Congress, where the real work must necessarily be done in a republic. Did we really want to backstop a deadlocked Congress, and off-the-reservation executive, with an all-powerful SC? I prefer elected officials making all the hard decisions - at least we can throw them out every two years.

Posted by: Rule #2 at June 28, 2012 07:56 AM (cCyuh)

273 This is going to kill private insurance. My life depends on private insurance and seeing a specialist. This decision puts my life in danger. I won't just die quietly for a crazy 'political victory'. Bring it on MF'ers

I will not comply

Posted by: Can of Raid at June 28, 2012 07:57 AM (mLZe7)

274 PollyAnna! It's done. We will never get this off our backs.

Posted by: Trainer at June 28, 2012 07:59 AM (9hekj)

275 I won't comply either, but I'm not even part of the equation. I'm too poor, I'll just be one of those "you all carry me on your backs" guys whether I want it or not.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2012 08:00 AM (r4wIV)

276 "This is going to kill private insurance."
Of course it will, that was the plan from the start. Its the way to get socialized medicine in the US, by destroying the medical insurance business and creating a crisis that only government can solve.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2012 08:01 AM (r4wIV)

277 We don't need 60 a tax can be repealed under reconcilliation. 51 votes

Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 11:07 AM (MtwBb)

Jumping in late (of course), but in an obscure sense, I think John Roberts just did the country a favor.

He basically told 65% of the country to change the makeup of Congress, and pay attention to campaign rhetoric (also known as lies).

Posted by: jwb7605 at June 28, 2012 08:04 AM (Qxe/p)

278 Tidal Wave in 2012.

Boot those liberal totalitarians off the bench!

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at June 28, 2012 08:09 AM (xAtAj)

279 Doesn't matter if we send 400 republicans to the house and 90 to the senate in November, they will not have the political courage to repeal this think. It will never see the President's desk. Sure I wish I had that $2 million I had prior to the Obama Economy. I'd be looking for property in Costa Rica right now.

Posted by: Old Coach at June 28, 2012 08:25 AM (fSUsd)

280 SCOTUS punted the issue to the next POTUS election but formerly slapped down the expansion of commerce clause powers and officially defined Obamacare as a tax and Congress has always had the power of tax and spend. The next election will decide whether to tolerate the largest tax increase in history and even Californians are rejecting new taxes these days so there is some hope for a total repeal. We also need to repeal the 16th. If there was no IRS, Congress would have no mechanism for enforcement of such obnoxious legislation.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at June 28, 2012 08:35 AM (jts1f)

281 It doesn't take 2 million to live in Costa Rica. Cheapest place on earth to live, in many ways. Just not necessarily the best.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2012 08:45 AM (r4wIV)

282

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at June 28, 2012 11:51 AM (xAtAj)

***

Sweet Meteor of Death

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (jm/9g)

283 Ace, you are a credulous fool. This is not getting repealed. Certainly not by the author of Romneycare. This man says it better than I can: "Since the Congress can now command citizens to do anything the Congress wants, since America as a republic under a government of limited powers is now officially dead, therefore conservatism, which if it means anything means support for that republic of limited powers, is now also dead. For conservatives to continue to support the constitution means supporting a leftist government with unlimited powers. Therefore the only meaningful form that conservatism can now take is counterrevolution, which means: opposition to the lawless regime that America now is, and the declared intent to overthrow it. Any Â“conservatismÂ” short of counterrevolution is simply subscription to, loyalty to, patriotism to, obedience to, a leftist unlimited state." - Auster ... No, I don't expect the likes of you to actually take up arms over this. It will happen, but not until things are much worse. I would be wise to get out. Sigh.

Posted by: Rollory at June 29, 2012 03:00 AM (kFIsy)

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