1 i dunno.

2 Are they wearing cammie bikinis?

3 Can we use this to travel back in time and re-do the Missouri Senate Primary vote?

4 yaaaay

5 I cry bs..

6 I do find it hard to belive that they can make a shutter open/close a trillion times/second, though.

7 IDF babes?

8 It takes us back through TIME!

//Dr. Emmet Biden

9 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

10 I call bullshit.

11 I think this is old ace but since light photons have no mass and travel in waves I don't think you are seeing the actual photons.  You are seeing some type of interaction with the bottle.  If you were seeing the photons you would see "all the photons" and not just the ones in the bottle.


Remember the old speed of light thingy is in a vacuum, not in plastic or glass (or water).

12 Wonder if that Indian-lookin' fella ever worked in a Seven-Eleven?

13

You're right, in a way... the only way we could observe this burst of light is if the light has interacted with something along the way.  Which, of course, it did (according to the article).  The light is interacting with the Coke bottle, which, when it interacts with the light, redirects some of that light to the camera.

My question is, where in the world did they find the storage to handle a TRILLION digital images?  That's quite a few USB flash drives...

 

By the way, I base all of this on my knowledge and experience as a trained musician.  ;-)

14 And for the Ladies... Since the female mind cannot understand complex concepts like Science or Time or Photography, here are pictures of Paul Ryan showing off the twin pythons. ___________________ Man I am going to lay a hurt on you.

15 Yeah, Coca-Cola really needed that free advertising....

16 Ahhhh, thank you Ace.

Paul Ryan......I'll be in my bunk.

17
You didn't build that.

18 This is total bullshit.

19
I invented that.

20 It's a computer composite of many tiny bursts of light.  You are right, it would not be physically possible to do it in one pass.  You're a smart guy.

21 I do find it hard to belive that they can make a shutter open/close a trillion times/second, though.

Digital cameras (I presume this is one) don't actually have a shutter like film cameras.  Though, even there, I've never heard of a computer that runs at a terahertz.  Not that you could fit in a camera, anyway.

22 " Heisenberg sort of problem, where the very act of measurement changes that which is being measured?"

That's only applicable on a sub-atomic level.

23 And for the Ladies...



*omg.....*

24

No, ace, the trillion frames per second sees at the speed of light, literally, so you can watch light propagate down the tube.  If you were at teh end of the tube, it would just be dark, then light, but laterally, it's not a problem as long as the shutter speed is fast enough

25 The state of Colorado is scrambling to find permanent jobs for 19 employees who can't work for the Department of Public Safety as planned because they didn't pass its background check.

The employees were originally hired to work for other state agencies, but those agencies were recently folded into Public Safety. That department requires its workers pass a criminal check and a polygraph test, which wasn't the threshold at the other state agencies where the workers were first hired.
...
Jennifer Okes, deputy director of the Colorado Department of Personnel and Administration, said most of the workers now have temporary jobs in other areas of state government. But she said she doesn't know how long each worker sat at home collecting a state paycheck before the temporary job became available.

State House Speaker Frank McNulty, R-Highlands Ranch, said "nobody else in Colorado is sitting home collecting a paycheck."

"This is exactly why people are so frustrated with government," he said.

26

Um, no.

 

Those images had to be stored somewhere, in real time, during the photo sequence. There is no existing technology, none, that can put data in memory a trillion times per second.

27 Wha? Huh?  I was distracted by twin pythons.

28 Oops.  Sock removal failure.

29

In the old days, light would have to sit still for minutes at a time for us to get its picture.

30 >>>But is this even possible in theory?

Yes. The speed of light was first determined by "catching light in motion" using the octagonal rotating mirror.

31 Hmmm.... Paul Ryan........... :0

32 in case the laser camera doesn't interest you, maybe you'll want to read about the remake of "Carrie" in the u k daily mail sidebar...

33 Violates physics, it's bullshit.

You can't take pictures faster than the speed of light.

34 I like the word "terahertz"!!!

35 Its a TED thing... I lost all confidence in anything they say once I watched Nick Hanauer explain that its not businesses that create jobs but rather customers.

36 That's only applicable on a sub-atomic level.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at August 23, 2012 04:22 PM (yISZ

Individual photons aren't like, subatomic?

37 How far does the shutter have to move to open & close? Hint: light can move about 1/3 of a mm in that trillionth of a second.

38 Finally!!!  A post about Paul Ryan's biceps!

39

Wondering if my coworkers here at the cube farm can hear my heavy breathing...hope my face isn't too flushed.

 

 

40 Paul.Ryan's.guns. 

*swoon*

41 Heisenberg sort of problem, where the very act of measurement changes that which is being measured?"

That's only applicable on a sub-atomic level.
Posted by: Hobbitopoly


Who cares.  Paul Ryan has my particles accelerating at a sub-atomic level. 
Boom!

42

Coke bottle?

 

C'mon man.

 

What next.... cold fusion in an iPod?

 

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!

(I always wanted to do that)

43 Actually you are confusing the Heisenberg uncertainty principle with "the observer effect". The Heisenberg uncertainty principle is also frequently confused with the "observer effect". The uncertainty principle actually describes how precisely we may measure the position and momentum of a particle at the same time — if we increase the accuracy in measuring one quantity, we are forced to lose accuracy in measuring the other.[1] The observer effect however, relates to the influence the observer has on a system.

44 Duh, every camera catches light in motion. 

45 I don't see how a shutter can break space-time equation since anything above the quantum lvl is controlled by it.  Space and time adjust to keep anything moving faster than light.

46 12 Wonder if that Indian-lookin' fella ever worked in a Seven-Eleven?

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 23, 2012 04:20 PM (UOM4  

I was thinking "trekkie"

47 Nothing mechanical can exceed the speed of light

48

Heisenberg sort of problem

 

You mean like getting an ATM dropped on your head?

49 It's disingenuous. They're NOT taking 1 trillion frames per second. They're taking rapid exposures over and over (and over and over) at different points in time with repeated laser pulses relative to when the pulse was fired, then using very tricky computational timing realignment (the real breakthrough) to assemble them into a composite series that shows what it would look like if they actually had a trillion frame per second imaging system.

As for why they can image anything at all, they're simply using short pulses from a laser and collecting the photons that are scattered from the packet along the way, i.e. they're just imaging reflected light, same as regular photography.

Short version, they're simulating trillion fps imaging, but using real images assembled into sequence to do it (not CGI).

Watch the TED video linked at the end. It's explained there by the guy whose team came up with the technique. Watch the whole thing. They use the effect to look around corners using a matte surface (not kidding!).

50

  Come in Red Leader.

-Standing by.

51 Wow, is Bill Nelson going to ever run a different commercial?  I think we all know Mack was a lobbyist for Hooters by now.

That's the best you've got?

52 Let me bold the pertinent- The observer effect however, relates to the influence the observer has on a system.

53 Moronettes, isn't interesting the morons are ignoring Paul "Yummy Buns" Ryan?

54 And this is photo shopped......Paul Ryan does NOT drink Coke!

55 I didn't actually read the article (go figure). Guy is an MIT scientist. And a TED speaker. Seems... real. Fantastic, yet real.

56 Alternate post title: Look, Shiny Object!

57

 

[From the article]

"...a recent technology called a streak camera"

 

I don't think this is "fake", Ace.

I've heard that it's been in the works for some time.

 

So now....they will be able to photograph those magical lasers in a woman's vagina, that can zap a rapist's sperm.

58

>>Violates physics, it's bullshit.

 

Legitimately, or just 'Date Violates'?

59 48

+100

60 Todd,

I am embarrassed for you and the way this whole media affair is going for you. Our nation is stake and I believe you should bow out of this race. I am not in your district but you are in my country and by you loosing this election, you will affect me and my family, potentially for generations to come.

Once again, please bow out. Do it for the children.

Regards,
sTevo

Fired this off just moments ago, with typos of course.

61 Though, even there, I've never heard of a computer that runs at a terahertz. Not that you could fit in a camera, anyway.

I can envision a network of machines doing the job. Instead of one machine capturing all the frames, you've got multiple machines polling the input lens, with each machine responsible for recording a frame at a time. Synchronizing them all would be a trick, but possible.

And you're not seeing the beam of light. You're seeing the reflection of the beam of light, so the light travels, bounces, goes through the bottle, and reaches the camera.

If they're being square with us, I can see this working the way they describe.

62 Aliens must have done that and given their technology to us...

63 I think Paul Ryan's right arm is much more muscular and cut than his left arm.  It's almost as if he uses it much for frequently, likely very vigorously.  I have that same exact problem, I have no idea what causes it.

64 When you take a picture of Joe Biden, the camera always captures the image of an empty head.

65 They admit to having to "Photoshop" the result into a video or even a 2-D picture. Benefit  is  that  your  ass will never look fat on this camera.

66

3 -

 

If we could have, then we already would have... which means, maybe we did!  And Akin was meant to win for some reason we don't yet understand!!  The mind, it be boggled.  Man. 

67 That swordfighting link is a riot. And by a riot, I mean the only thing more irritating than a nerd warrior extolling the deadliness of his sekrit ninja warrior techniques is two of them, together, discussing their own respective sekrit ninja techniques. In their heart of hearts, I'm not even sure the grandmaster fighter nerds actually believe they could fight.

68 Seems theroretically plausible, but when I see lines like this:

"...It takes only a nanosecond - a billionth of a second - for light to scatter through a bottle, but it takes about an hour to collect all the data necessary for the final video. ..."

I always assume that that hour is spent getting "it" to look just right.

Possible Skullduggery.

69 Ooo aahh nice guns.

70 I respectfully (lustfully) request a picture of Paul Ryan in a kilt....immediately.

71 If we had this type of technology, we'd be close to nanobots and shit.

72 So... it's not the London Boys--again?

73 I skipped the science crapola and went straight for the Paul Ryan muscle pics.



That's how I roll.

74 why is that subcontinental taking stop-action photos of himself jerking-off in a Coak bottle?

75

38 -

 

another image for the dossier, amirite?

 

Honestly,  just  start  circulating  these  pics  on  FB  and  social media.  The  women  of  America  will  hope  and  pray  that Paul  Ryan  comes  to  their  house  personally  to  take  away their  birth  control  and  fit  them  for  the  officially sanctioned  GOP War on Women   chastity   belt.

 

I go first.

76 51 Wow, is Bill Nelson going to ever run a different commercial? I think we all know Mack was a lobbyist for Hooters by now.

Nelson says that like it's a bad thing.

77

>>Violates physics, it's bullshit.

I could tell you something about violation.

78 The Romney campaign needs to get a snap of Ryan and the pythons, emerging from the Ocean just like Bammy. Only.....a tighter swimsuit. Then wait patiently until you know you have already gotten under O's skin and RELEASE THE PYTHONS.

79 I'm an expert in "stating the obvious,".... that Paul Ryan fellow is in good shape. I hope he does a lot of pointing and whatnot in short sleeve shirts when he's Vice President.

80 I respectfully (lustfully) request a picture of Paul Ryan in a kilt....immediately. Posted by: mpfs at August 23, 2012 04:28 PM (iYbLN) Some mood music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ35SOU9HTM

81

Always trust the experts from MIT.

I learned this on this very blog...

 from a litterbox.

82 Yeah, MIT don't play around.

83 >>>You can't take pictures faster than the speed of light.

Where is that written? I missed the portion of physics that somehow put a speed limit on the photoelectric effect.

84 Wait...his bicep is bigger than his shoulder--that's just wrong.

85 In their heart of hearts, I'm not even sure the grandmaster fighter nerds actually believe they could fight.

I 'spect he's butthurt because some SCA nerd beat him. Technique is kind of secondary to speed and accuracy.

(Says the sword-fighting nerd.)

86 49 They also explain it at the end of the article. That probably wasn't mentioned in the comments though...

87 If you were driving you car at the speed of light and suddenly turned on the headlights, would they do anything?

88 I skipped the science crapola and went straight for the Paul Ryan muscle pics.


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Wait.....what science crapola?  This is a post about some sciency thingamajig?


I'll be damn.....I could have sworn the title of the thread was 'Neat...Paul Ryan's Guns'.  No?

89 wow, really? Is Bill Nelson stupid? He's gonna alienate the Hooters vote bloc.

90 Man I am going to lay a hurt on you.

I would have joined you, if that link hadn't been legit. Lol.

91 August 23rd 2012, 15:30 Paul Ryan's biceps become self-aware.

92 I think Ryan can win just on a platform of   "Guns and Butter"

93 though, Bill Nelson does sound like a dumb shit when he speaks..

94 And STILL no FLYING CARS. Fuck 'scientists.'

95 The explanation in the article sort of describes what they're doing.

The way they explain it, the recording isn't of one pass -it's hundreds of thousands of runs with the camera shifted slightly each time to let them build up a 2D image.

96

63I think Paul Ryan's right arm is much more muscular and cut than his left arm. It's almost as if he uses it much for frequently, likely very vigorously. I have that same exact problem, I have no idea what causes it.

 

Posted by: yinzer at August 23, 2012 04:26 PM (/Mla1)

 

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I think I should investigate this.

 

Have Ryan washed and brought to my tent....so that I can compare his arms with close scrutiny.

97 My understanding is that youÂ’re not actually watching light propagate; youÂ’re watching a collection of stills put together of a different beam of light each time, further down the line. I.e., you have an old-fashioned camera that only takes one shot every ten seconds, but you have an amazing timer. So fire one shot every ten seconds, and each time take the photo a fraction of a second further from pulling the trigger. Then you put the still photos together and you have a photo of a bullet in motion. Same thing here, but with light instead of a bullet, and of course a much more precise camera. Still very impressive.

98 To put this in perspective ace, and I don't even need physics, the camera would have to have a processor (or processors) capable (at minimum) of thee trillion ops per second (and really way more than that).  Your computer at home... is probably a TRS-80.  But for the rest of us, if you assume a nice, high-end modern processor (say... an Intel i7, for instance) you're running about 10 - 12 billion ops per second.  If you've got a really beefy gaming machine, you have a little over 20 billion ops per second.  If you've got a really beefy gaming machine that takes advantage of the GPU's extra processing power, you're pushing (maybe) 75 billion ops per second.

The toughest "OMG Who Would Ever Need That?" super computer I've ever heard of pushed an effective (that is: including all parallel processes) trillion ops per second.

Now shove 3 (minimum) of those into a camera.  And, really, as I mentioned, it takes way more of those.  You're probably pushing 10 - 15 ops per picture (maybe more depending on how your IO works), so you're really talking 10 - 15 trillion operations every second necessary to do this.

It might physically be possible with a rig specifically designed to do it, connected to a series of such super-computers, but you're not going to be carrying around a camera capable of doing this in anything smaller than a small building.

99

Sort of related:

 

I bought one of those dvd collections, with early films.  I'm fascinated with the Edison stuff, and the various frenchies who were doing early film.  The really interesting part though,  were the experiments with rapid photography.  These pre-date the actual motion picture cameras.  And what do you think they used it for? 

 

Porn. 

 

Nekkid chicks, running, walking, hopping, sitting, etc. 

 

100 "I respectfully (lustfully) request a picture of Paul Ryan in a kilt....immediately."

Can't help you with that one.

101 The sword guy in  the side bar just called and said; "Wow! I did the same thing with a Maglite and my toledo blade back in 7th grade".

102 If you're drivng your car at the speed of light you can't turn on the headlights.

103 I respectfully (lustfully) request a picture of Paul Ryan in a kilt....immediately.

Posted by: mpfs at August 23, 2012 04:28 PM (iYbLN)

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I was in the grocery store  a couple of days ago and a nice-looking guy came in wearing a kilt.  Alas it was not Paul Ryan.

104 It's almost as if he uses it much for frequently, likely very vigorously. I have that same exact problem, I have no idea what causes it.

Workin' the mouse to get the comments updated.

105 terahertz!

106 72 So... it's not the London Boys--again?

Posted by: tasker at August 23, 2012 04:28 PM (r2PLg)

 

I was kind of disappointed that ace didn't try to sucker the moronettes again.

107 I like Mr. Ryan's high and tight (modified)hair cut

108 1) Despite the date on the article, this is old. Saw the "video" months and months ago - a perennial problem with "science news." I'm constantly seeing the same thing reported as *new* every year for 4-5 years. 2) Does anyone else see a problem with propagation in the picture series? The "pulse" is travelling slower than the speed of light, or the background lighting would not change the way it does - in other words, photons traveling out from the pulse are moving faster than the pulse or they would not reach the background ahead of the pulse. It may not be "fake," but the explanation is inadequate, to say the least. Look at the projected light from the "pulse," especially with regard to angles and the labels. The reflected light from the table has apparently traveled several times the distance the pulse itself has in the same time. In other words, you're not seeing a bundle of photons moving over time, you're seeing an energetic light source traveling slower than light speed even before it hits the bottle.

109 It was hard (OMG!) to fap to that picture of Paulie, but for some reason, I wanted to.

110

I was in the grocery store a couple of days ago and a nice-looking guy came in wearing a kilt.

 

It's called a skirt.

111 "Doctor used spy cam to peek up subway ridersÂ’ skirts, police say. " http://tinyurl.com/9kulgoh Just fits with the theme.

112

So the smart guys came out with a very high tech thingamajig that isn't actually commercially viable, and probably is quite expensive.

Did Obama give them a loan guarantee for that?

113 If they're being square with us, I can see this working the way they describe.

So this is like the old "infinite number of monkeys" postulate, only with cameras instead of typewriters?

114 "Individual photons aren't like, subatomic?
Posted by: Cicero"

They are, but the operative word is "observer". Observing these photons by simply looking at them isn't going to interfere with them.

However, on a sub-atomic level, measuring=observing. When you measure, or "observe" on that level, you interfere with the thing being measured.

115 And STILL no FLYING CARS.

Hover bike: http://tinyurl.com/capox8q

116

70 I respectfully (lustfully) request a picture of Paul Ryan in a kilt....immediately.

Posted by: mpfs at August 23, 2012 04:28 PM (iYbLN)

 

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Yes yes.

It doesn't even have to be a leather kilt.....just any ole kilt will do.

117 Posted by: garrett at August 23, 2012 04:33 PM (/qDtw) My friends fiance, now husband, got married in a kilt. You know they don't wear anything under their kilts.

118 Nothing catches a woman's eye like a kilt ...

119 I like Mr. Ryan's high and tight (modified)hair cut

Now there's a haircut you can set your watch to!

120 There goes the neighborhood......

121 This science stuff is stupid. More pythons! More Pythons!

122 "I respectfully (lustfully) request a picture of Paul Ryan in a kilt....immediately."

Can't help you with that one.
Posted by: Dave in Fla

Dave you know I think you look delish in kilt. 

123 Please stop cluttering up this thread with speed of light talk.  Some of us are trying to concentrate here.

124

ace,

 

 

Once the light is emitted it exists. They are taking pictures of something that actually happened before they took the picture. Not as it is happening. Like when we see stars at night that are really not there anymore. We're seeing the light they emitted before they turned into a dark hole and swallowed their galaxy.

125 Why do they make Skorts but not Korts?

126 I don't think it's the same pulse of light. Different pulses caught at different locations on the bottle seems much more plausible. Given I as much about physics as Obama does about economics I can't say anything for sure.

127 Gun Showwwwwwwwww *drools*

I love love love ted talks (explained 3D printing to me in a way nothing else could), but unfortunately I feel like the libs have hijacked them. For my conservative heart, it is a guilty pleasure I can name drop in lib circles so I appear to be one of the "correct thinking" fold.

But I could watch Mike Rowe give his TED talk for hours. . . any other conservative leaning TED talks I should be aware of?

http://blog.ted.com/2009/03/05/mike_rowe_ted/

128 >>>The reflected light from the table has apparently traveled several times the distance the pulse itself has in the same time.

Speed of light is slower in denser materials. Physics. Give it a shot!

129 So?

Particle or wave?

130

>>before they turned into a dark hole and swallowed their galaxy.

 

Stop it.  My racist dog is going crazy.

131 And STILL no FLYING CARS. Behold. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo0MEQSGW8w

132 Where is that written? I missed the portion of physics that somehow put a speed limit on the photoelectric effect. Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular With Full Stomping Power! at August 23, 2012 04:30 PM (0q2P7) Yes, yes you did.

133 EJ-- okay, thanks. Sorry for injecting so much uninformed skepticism. It seems this is real, but also relying on multiple passes and compositing of many images.

134 So?

Particle or wave?
Posted by: AmishDude


I don't care as long as its Pual Ryan.

135 I can't spell.  Paul.
I'm suddenly overheated. 

136

My dog chases a laser all the time and almost catches it and he's not that fast.

137 If that's true....thats some of the most amazing shit I've ever seen.

138 Re: Background checks... I get to fire a new employee today because of some ghastly shit he posted on Twitter. Teh Firm found out about it (of course he had a public feed) and wanted him gone yesterday. It's gonna get ugly, because he's a big fish in a small town and was some sort of Division III athlete, which counts for exactly shit in the working world. And the kicker is, the young man has a degree in HR!

139 I wonder what Akin thinks of this.

140 It seems this is real, but also relying on multiple passes and compositing of many images.

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No, I don't think his guns are a composite.  I think they are the real deal.  I volunteer to confirm this.  Scientifically.

141 True fact. Our magical hoohas prevent us from unnnerstandin stuff and stuff.

142 Whoah! Two tickets to the gun show, ladies! Can't say Ace never gave ya nothin'.

143 " I skipped the science crapola and went straight for the Paul Ryan muscle pics." Best thing about Ryan for VP, no plugs degrading his brain tissues.

144 Did one of you lasses say you wanted to see under my kilt?

145 And the kicker is, the young man has a degree in HR!

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie

 

Post the video of him getting walked out on his Twitter feed.

146 Speed of light is slower in denser materials. Physics. Give it a shot! Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular With Full Stomping Power! at August 23, 2012 04:36 PM (0q2P7) Which is the opposite of what the composite photos show. Either the "pulse" is traveling lower that the speed of light (considerably), or they did the composite poorly (probably the latter).

147 It seems this is real, but also relying on multiple passes and compositing of many images. Posted by: ace at August 23, 2012 04:38 PM

So it's real, but also fake?

Sounds like Bark Obama's "composite" girlfriend. We could only see her when Bill Ayers did a mashup.

148

The images show the light *scattered* from an ultrashort light pulse travelling through liquid inside the bottle. Because the exposure time was so short, the number of scattered photons was small and it took a large number of exposures to get each frame.  Techniques for ultrashort shutter times have existed for years - the shutter is not physical, it is based on a rapidly triggered change in the opacity of a material, e.g. molecules in solution aligning according to the electric field component of an ultrashort polarized light pulse.  Search "pockels cell."  This is just a particularly fast example of something that already existed. It's worth mentioning that the liquid in the bottle will solw the light down a bit. If it's water, the light will have about 75% of the velocity of light in a vacuum.

 

Now that I think of it, search also for "confocal microscope."  That's also been around for years, and it uses a pair of high speed rotating light-chopping disks with microscopic perforations to only recieve light from a particular focal plane based on precise timing.  It's not the same thing as the light movie, but it's based on the same general phenomenon: light is not infinitely fast.

149 Mack was a lobbyist for Hooters! Sold.

150 My sense is, having not read a whit of the research or even watching Neil degrasse Tyson mug on PBS about this, is that he's taking pictures of light traveling through a medium. So it's just showing how much of that medium is illuminated by the light.

151 Light is both a wave and a particle which proves that bisexuality in nature is normal and wonderful!

152

24 is correct.  If you were to look for light coming straight at you, the image would be dark and you would see a flash.  If you were watching from the side, you would see scattered light that looks like it is at different points on the bottle.  You cant really see the light exactly where it is at looking from the side because it takes time for light to travel a distance (even if it is short).  The difference is the time resolution on the camera, but the problem is the same as using telescopes and looking at stars.  If the star is 1 light year away, you are seeing the stars position a year ago and if you walk out a year from now the difference in position is the travel the star made in a year, but it isnt at that position at that moment.  With this camera, your time resolution is good enough to caputure small changes in the position of the light beam.  The real problem is in the gating of the camera signal and data.  I have no clue how they would do that.

153

Ace,

You are correct.  They shot the light and took pictures of it multiple times, with the timing trillionths of seconds apart, and then spliced it together.

154 We're seeing the light they emitted before they turned into a dark hole and swallowed their galaxy.

Posted by: robtr at August 23, 2012 04:35 PM (MtwBb

 

You failed astronomy didn't you?

155 I 'spect he's butthurt because some SCA nerd beat him. Technique is kind of secondary to speed and accuracy. (Says the sword-fighting nerd.) Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 23, 2012 04:30 PM (4+LTj) Yeah, that's probably true. I joined a kendo club for a few months - they had the same problem. It's not like I'm saying I was strong and fast enough with the stick to actually smack one of the senior dudes upside the head, but supposing I was, it wouldn't be counted as a point in tournament unless the ki-ai accompanying was properly vocalized. I'm sure that's exactly the way it played in 16th century Japan, too.

156 145

Me!  Me!

157 If you purge 10000 terrabytes out of the main computer for the purposes of developing a hyper-chaotic verteron field and then channel it through the main deflector and the nacelles of creating a cascading warp field intermix bubble which should work.

158 I can't spell. Paul.
I'm suddenly overheated.

I was worried there for a minute, like we were going to have to start referring to him as Nayr Luap.

159 Sincere question: If nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, how can you switch something on and off faster than the speed of light? I understand that we are not talking about a mechanical switch.

160

116 And STILL no FLYING CARS.

 

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Relax. I'm on it. Real Soon Now.

 

161 Either the "pulse" is traveling lower that the speed of light (considerably), or they did the composite poorly (probably the latter). Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 23, 2012 04:40 PM (bxiXv) It's not a pulse, it's light interacting with the material (reflection). The actual pulse of light that missed the coke bottle is long gone by the time the reflected light arrives at the camera.

162

I get to fire a new employee today because of some ghastly shit he posted on Twitter.

If my employer ever installs a keystroke logger, I'm fucked.

163 Daryl Dixon avec crossbow and Paul Ryan's gun show. *sniffle* You like me! You really really like me! *sniffle* I approve of the new hotassery direction of this here smart family military blog.

164 If they slow that camera down a bit, you can   barely  make out a photo of a memo from the Texas National Guard, so it's definitely not fake.

165 If you watch the video, he says that it takes the images AT AROUND the speed of light, not faster than.

It's truly fascinating. 

166 "60 Todd, I am embarrassed for you and the way this whole media affair is going for you. Our nation is stake and I believe you should bow out of this race." Also, your wife can take you to her cooter doctor who can give you a talk about lady parts and how they work.

167 India must be the future because we all know there are no neck ties in the future and everyone can do math.

168 You failed astronomy didn't you?

Posted by: buzzion at August 23, 2012 04:41 PM (GULKT)

 

 

No, I didn't take astronomy. I saw it on the discovery channel. Right after survivor man.

169

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 23, 2012 04:41 PM (VQhpE)

 

He's right.

170 One of the sexiest things about a Kilt....is the way the 'sporran' swings back and forth when the guy is walking.

171 It's not like I'm saying I was strong and fast enough with the stick to actually smack one of the senior dudes upside the head, but supposing I was, it wouldn't be counted as a point in tournament unless the ki-ai accompanying was properly vocalized.

Man, no wonder the Iaido nerds looked down on the Kendo nerds.

(And we did. Having our Grand Master in charge of fixing your kata didn't have anything to do with that, either, no.)

172 If nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, how can you switch something on and off faster than the speed of light? Posted by: David at August 23, 2012 04:42 PM (mvQUJ) They didn't. they did the same thing a gazillion times and took the pic slightly later each time, due to very precise timing between the act and the pic.

173 If you purge 10000 terrabytes out of the main computer for the purposes of developing a hyper-chaotic verteron field and then channel it through the main deflector and the nacelles of creating a cascading warp field intermix bubble which should work. Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 23, 2012 04:41 PM (VQhpE) Just reverse the polarity of the neutron flow

174 If you wanted a true composite of a light particle you could get a number of these cameras spread out and timed to take photos as the light passed by.  I'll have Obama order up about a hundred of 'em.  Jobs Created - 4122. 

175 It's the dead lights.

176 Just reverse the polarity of the neutron flow



I can do that (wait for it).......to Paul Ryan!!

177 meh.. The Flash does this all the time!

178 And for the Ladies... Since it has been established by the soundest of medical testimony that the female mind cannot understand complex concepts like Science or Time or Photography, here are pictures of Paul Ryan showing off the twin pythons. _______________ I'm a little worried about Ace--how is he seeing two pythons?

179 Just reverse the polarity of the neutron flow Posted by: The Doctor at August 23, 2012 04:45 PM (XvHmy) Just don't cross the streams.

180 This is a parlor trick, or a hokey religion. I can't decide.

181 Particle man, particle man Doing the things a particle can What's he like? It's not important Particle man Is he a dot, or is he a speck? When he's underwater does he get wet? Or does the water get him instead? Nobody knows, Particle man

182 Where is the flux capacitor?

183 >>>(And we did. Having our Grand Master in charge of fixing your kata didn't have anything to do with that, either, no.) Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 23, 2012 04:45 PM (4+LTj) lolol

184 Moronettes, isn't interesting the morons are ignoring Paul "Yummy Buns" Ryan?

Posted by: mpfs at August 23, 2012 04:25 PM (iYbLN)

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He posted pics of the yummy buns too?

185 I mean I don't want to get all scientific about it--but it's two shots of the same python.

186 Just reverse the polarity of the neutron flow That always takes the core ejectors off-line. Always.

187 Ok, watched the video, pretty cool tech, but to be a jerk about things riddle me this batman:

Doesn't every camera catch light in motion?  Ohh, what's really going to bake your noodle later on is, would you still have broken that vase if I hadn't said anything?

188 My friends fiance, now husband, got married in a kilt. You know they don't wear anything under their kilts.

Posted by: cynder ella at August 23, 2012 04:34 PM (oZfic

Of course he did.  Bless your heart.

189 No, I didn't take astronomy. I saw it on the discovery channel. Right after survivor man.

Posted by: robtr at August 23, 2012 04:44 PM (MtwBb

 

You sure it wasn't Ancient Aliens?   Cause that's the level I see for a star swallowing a galaxy.   

 

However since your gaffe does not include the need to play semantics with rape, I will not demand you step down.

190

"and for the ladies" - Sexist!

I know at least one lady physicist

191

@49, exactly!  Nail on the head.  It's a pretty typical "fancy" camera wired to a control system with the light source.  In other words, nothing special.  Camera effects guys have been doing tricks like this for decades.

What Ace said about the light is completely true.  Camera cannot detect photons that haven't reached the optics on the camera, period.  The observation is physical.  Said camera cannot take a picture of light travelling to the camera.  Even if the shutter speed were faster than the speed of light (which it isn't), the camera would not see anything until the precise moment that the light wave reached the optics.  All light waves travel at the exact same speed, c... the same c in E=mc^2.  Approx 3x10^8 meters/sec.

The difference with this bottle is that it's a big crystal of sorts.  It reflects light inside the bottle, which is the illumination.  Inside the bottle light starts bouncing all over the place.  Some of the light is able to pass through the material in the course of that process (depending on the frequency, angle, etc), some gets dissipated in the form of heat (the bottle attenuates and becomes warmer).

By timing the light source with the shutter they are able to take a picture of what stage the bottle's "illumination" is at.  With time more light waves enter the bottle and you end up with more waves bouncing inside.   

192 David Copperfield:  "I'm now officially fucked."

193 Unless Ace is "imagining" how big is other python is...

194 "Paul.Ryan's.guns. " One more reason to support the second amendment.

195 Once the cat is dead, you can do a lot of things with it that you can't do while it's alive. Of course, if you do some of those things while its alive, you will probably kill it anyway. In any case, that violates laws against cruelty to animals, which, IIRC, is the fourth law of thermodynamics (assuming you start counting with the zero'th law).

196 All I wanna know is how soon we can beam to places and stuff.

197 tasker, hah. Yes my science let me down there.

198 I wonder what light would look like bouncing off my bare naked fat ass?

199 >>>If nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, how can you switch something on and off faster than the speed of light?

Light is a speed as in a distance covered in a particular period of time. Let's say I emit a light pulse and intend to reflect it off of the surface of Pluto. I have 6 hours to photograph Pluto before my light pulse even makes it to Pluto and another 6 hours before it returns. Don't confuse Frames Per Second with Meters Per Second.

200 I mean I don't want to get all scientific about it--but it's two shots of the same python. Clearly one has been photoshopped and reversed.

201 It's not a pulse, it's light interacting with the material (reflection). The actual pulse of light that missed the coke bottle is long gone by the time the reflected light arrives at the camera. Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 23, 2012 04:42 PM (csi6Y) Yes, of course it is. The point is that the secondary effects (refracted light) from the pulse striking a given point in the bottle appears to be reaching the camera at the same time as the primary. And that doesn't even mean very much, just that we're not seeing what the headline says, just a ton of isolated images of light behaving in an ordinary way, as effectively instantaneous as by the naked eye. We're not seeing the effects of the speed of light particularly. Except possibly in the last two photos. Again, I think it's the job they did compositing more than the technology.

202  Violates physics, it's bullshit.

You can't take pictures faster than the speed of light.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 23, 2012 04:23 PM (dX4hn)

 

 

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That's not what they're claiming.  The gentleman said "close" to the speed of light.

203 If I shine a light under Paul Ryan's kilt, how fast would it travel?

204 The Heisenberg compensators don't scramble the particles randomly. The positronic field generated by the interdimensional subspace reflex system would cause a pulsary overload in the sensory warp transducer.

205 "Paul.Ryan's.guns. "

One more reason to support the second amendment.

I'd put that bumpersticker on the Radishmobile.

206

I 'spect he's butthurt because some SCA nerd beat him. Technique is kind of secondary to speed and accuracy.
(Says the sword-fighting nerd.)

Actually, most of the WMA practitioners are also high up in the SCA; it was the SCA combat that really encouraged their study of actual western techniques.  That said, SCA combat is a sport and not close to real martial arts.  There are plenty of things done in the SCA that would get you killed or disabled in a real fight.

Western Martial Arts are actually a very interesting field of study.  There are a number of groups throughout the US and the world which have actually made huge strides in rebuilding our knowledge of Europes martial past, much of which was taken for granted in the last century.

John Clements (The author linked in the sidebar) is pretty notorious in the WMA community.  He's not bad per se, but he clashes a lot with other schools and stories of his arrogance and his attitude float through the community.

207 So, does this explain how the young Spock could have a conversation with the old Spock in that movie?

208

I say we should test out this camera on Paul Ryan's biceps - see if we can get shots of each exquisite molecule on those toned guns as the muscles tighten up and the biceps grow bigger.....

 

Ummm....I'll be in my bunk.....

209 Hey girl, the Head Ewok was holding out and didn't link to the whole thread. http://bit.ly/PIUz3y

210 In any case, that violates laws against cruelty to animals, which, IIRC, is the fourth law of thermodynamics (assuming you start counting with the zero'th law).

Thank you, Detective Munch.

211 I bet they can't record the light entering joey bidens black hole of a head.

212 "Dave you know I think you look delish in kilt."

I'll be sure to post a new one, just for you

213 I always liked astronomy. I'm an Aquarius.

214 If I shine a light under Paul Ryan's kilt, how fast would it travel?

Slightly faster than the speed of Paul Ryan murdering you.

215 >>>Doesn't every camera catch light in motion? Ohh, what's really going to bake your noodle later on is, would you still have broken that vase if I hadn't said anything? HAHAHAHA this really made me laugh out loud. Something about the delivery of the reference...

216 If I was in my car at night traveling the speed of light and turned on my headlights what would happen.

217 You sure it wasn't Ancient Aliens? No, that's the History Channel and H2 not Discovery. Discovery is Shark Week.

218 Oh. My. Those arms are just.......wow.

219 There are plenty of things done in the SCA that would get you killed or disabled in a real fight.

You're speaking of Heavy List. SCA Rapier is a little closer to the mark, and Unarmored is basically the weirdos in Caid doing the same thing the HEMA guys are doing. (We're currently working through Marrozzo's assaults.)

220 >>>Yes, yes you did.

My point was PEE occurs at the speed of light. Since all measurement itself involves particle travel you only need to ensure the time needed for the particle travel required to perform the measurement is << than the time needed for the photons to travel there measured path in order to observe light in motion. Again reference the octagonal mirror experiment. The octagonal mirror was not spinning at it's edge anywhere near the speed of light.

221 Call me a cynic but it looks like a clever Coca Cola commercial with a Cheetos add snuck in at the 8 min+ mark. 

222 Hey girl, the Head Ewok was holding out and didn't link to the whole thread.


http://bit.ly/PIUz3y

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at August 23, 2012 04:52 PM (VtjlW)

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Oh my. 

Oh my.

223 Grad students film lighting a fart in 5, 4, 3, 2...

224 Hey girl, the Head Ewok was holding out and didn't link to the whole thread.

This is why they give me two monitors.
One for spreadsheets, and one for animated gifs of Paul Ryan.

225 I'm bookmarking that.  Thanks for that Alexthechick.

226 My point was PEE occurs at the speed of light. Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular With Full Stomping Power! at August 23, 2012 04:55 PM (0q2P7) Which is the speed limit. (For practical purposes, minus the interferences of atmosphere or optics, etc.) So, no worries.

227

210Hey girl, the Head Ewok was holding out and didn't link to the whole thread.


http://bit.ly/PIUz3y

 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at August 23, 2012 04:52 PM (VtjlW)

 

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Mmmm.

Nice definition on those guns....bulging veins, too.

I've always thought that bulging veins on a guy's arm is hawt.

228 Oh my. Oh my. I think I'm going to loop no. 7 next to my loop of The Upton dancing and then cause a brownout of the entire South. Sorry about that.

229 Got this tune in my head........




dontcha wish your congressman was hot. like. mine.

230

You're speaking of Heavy List. SCA Rapier is a little closer to the mark, and Unarmored is basically the weirdos in Caid doing the same thing the HEMA guys are doing. (We're currently working through Marrozzo's assaults.)

Rapier is ok, but still has a lot of problems IMHO.  I've seen white scarfs trying shit that would get them punched, tripped, arm-locked, etc. 

 

231 Beam of light filmed stopping at Stuckey's® for a Pecan Roll and cup of hot coffee before hitting surface of girl's ass at the beach.

232

6
I do find it hard to belive that they can make a shutter open/close a trillion times/second, though.

 

I haven't read the comments yet, but the shutter doesn't open and close a trillion times/sec. The linked article describes how they generate the image. They collect data one shot at a time at different known times, then reassemble the individual shots to make a movie. It's kinda like the impression of movement you get from riffling cards that have slightly different images.

 

So, no Heisenberg problem.

233  If that's true....thats some of the most amazing shit I've ever seen.

Posted by: © Sponge at August 23, 2012 04:39 PM (UK9cE)

 

 

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This  is like the invention of the ATM.  Get me Valerie.  We need to pull this guy's grant.

234 In short, it's a composite, done manually, the description in the "news" is wrong about what happened, there is actually something interesting but not what's in the headline, and most people care about other things. In other words, typical "science news."

235 [i158 If you purge 10000 terrabytes out of the main computer for the purposes of developing a hyper-chaotic verteron field and then channel it through the main deflector and the nacelles of creating a cascading warp field intermix bubble which should work.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 23, 2012 04:41 PM (VQhpE)[/i]

 

 

I'm sorry, did you  say something?  I, um.....wasn't paying attention -

236 229 Oh my. Oh my. I think I'm going to loop no. 7 next to my loop of The Upton dancing and then cause a brownout of the entire South. Sorry about that. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at August 23, 2012 04:57 PM (VtjlW) The Upton dancing....mmmmm.....

237 Rapier is ok, but still has a lot of problems IMHO.

I agree. The ban on grappling does mean you expose yourself to it in the sport.

Because of my knees, I've been learning Destraza, and that's a lot of fun trying to convert to the game.

(So I'm really supposed to step here, grab your sword arm as it's coming by, and cut you in the head ... instead, I step here, put my hand on your arm, and attempt a "tip cut" somewhere. Yeesh.)

238 Does this have anything to do with aether dragging?  Oops, that's later tonight after the frat party.

239 Again, I think it's the job they did compositing more than the technology. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 23, 2012 04:50 PM (bxiXv) Yes, I think you are right. It's easy to see how this kind of approach would produce that problem.

240

The video fails to explain the extensive use of

 

Kanuting Valves and De-naturizers.

241 Good grief, neanderthals... Watch the freaking video and pay attention the whole time. He explains every last bit of it. It's a combination of specialized equipment and *specialized techniques.* I know most of you are over 20, so stop griping about the short attention spans of today's youth, because the adults making the uninformed comments here obviously weren't even able to sit through a well planned 11 minute presentation.

242 Hey, I'm decent at science...but, I'd rather look at the guns on Ryan! I'll let Papa figure out the science this time.

243 "...light photons have no mass and travel in waves..."

Posted by: Vic at August 23, 2012 04:20 PM (YdQQY)

Not so much.

Light can be shown to be a particle and a wave. At the same time.

But you are a Southerner so it's too complicated for you to understand.

244 I'm jackin' it Oh, I'm jackin' it

245 "I'm a little worried about Ace--how is he seeing two pythons? Posted by: tasker" He probably didn't look too closely at the pics because, well, people might think he's gay. NTTAWWT

246 According to my calculatons at a trillion frames a second, if they took 2 seconds worth the earth would be 367.3 feet deep in polaroids.

247 Heisenberg wouldn't have had a problem if he paid attention to where he was flying that balloon.

248 247According to my calculatons at a trillion frames a second, if they took2 seconds worth the earth would be 367.3 feet deep in polaroids.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 23, 2012 05:16 PM (D9CxV)

 

My calculations aren't that good.  I lose concentration really

249

246"I'm a little worried about Ace--how is he seeing two pythons?
Posted by: tasker"

He probably didn't look too closely at the pics because, well, people might think he's gay. NTTAWWT

 

 

Nice try but there's no way I'm clicking that link.

250 Digital cameras (I presume this is one) don't actually have a shutter like film cameras. Though, even there, I've never heard of a computer that runs at a terahertz. Not that you could fit in a camera, anyway.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 23, 2012 04:21 PM (8y9MW)

My digital camera has a shutter, it's what good photographers and me use, but you don't have to open and close the shutter to take pictures.  The guy who first did those ultra fast photos of a bullet going through stuff like apples left the shutter open in a lightless room and had a computer trigger a flash of light at the exact right moment.  How they did these new images though is way beyond my brainpower.

251 I like balls, too

252 brb, mom made spaghetti-o's for dinner

253

After a night of drinking, when I get up to use the facilities

 

my PEE seems like it's traveling at the speed of light,

 

so I agree.

254 Posted by: no at August 23, 2012 05:20 PM (Lnym+) Does the article explain whether the laser can remove the stick from your ass?

255 Read the fucking article people. Posted by: no


There's a fucking article?  Are there pictures?

256 the twin pythons can wrestle the speed of light to the ground AND STOP IT, COLD

257 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

258

I was in the grocery store a couple of days ago and a nice-looking guy came in wearing a kilt. Alas it was not Paul Ryan. Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 23, 2012 04:32 PM (P6QsQ)

Are kilts common male attire down there in the exotic and mysterious WI district 1? Perhaps he was headed for Irish Fest. I saw some very fine men in kilts there last weekend. After several Guinnesses, I saw even more. Great biceps, Mr future VP. Now I demand to see the abs. Do it for your country, Paul.

259 Fellow moronettes: I would be doing you a grave injustice if I did not share these two photos with you: http://bit.ly/PfnQAt http://on.wsj.com/PAHlXa

260 Does an object, say a red ball, have any color in absolute darkness?

261 #258 how you doin'?

262 Even I got a little wet from those Ryan Pictures...

263

Engineer familiar with how cameras work checking in!

 

Yes, the key thing to make note of here is that this is NOT real-time photography. You're NOT just "taking a movie" for a nanosecond, and then playing it back slowly.

 

He talks about it briefly, pointing out that if you take your snapshot over a trillionth of a second that you're going to get almost zero light, and so you have to repeat the experiment millions of times - combining the results - to get even a single image.

 

The genius and the trick is that when you go back and take the same picture, at the same point in time (relative to when the "bullet" was fired), that you have to take that picture at EXACTLY the right time (again, relative to when the "bullet" was fired). You also have to get the part of the camera that actually reacts to the photons of the focused image to only pay attention to those photons for a very short time (on the order of a trillionth of a second). That's all very impressive.

 

What he's not telling you is that it probably took a hours, days, or even weeks to collect the imagery, because it would only be practical to store only so many images at one time, and it would take a certain amount of time to process those images down to a single frame, before you could "make room" by then discarding those images, so that you could then work on the next frame.

 

You might, for example, collect 1,000,000 images in one second, stop, take minutes to process them down to a single frame, adjust the desired point in time, then repeat. Do this thousands of times, maybe even taking days or months.

 

The "seeing around corners" stuff is also pretty interesting. Basically, you're using the wall as a mirror, with some added geometrical effect. But, again, what he's not telling you is that it probably took weeks or months to collect the data and run the algorithms on it.  That stuff might certainly be made faster in the future, but the idea that you could apply it to obstacle detection within your lifetime is a fantasy.

 

264 The ladies should send that PR bumper sticker idea to the ladies at Hey Girl, It's Paul Ryan.

265

Oh, and some other notes:

 

* I didn't really follow the Einstein reference, but it doesn't really make any sense to talk about taking pictures "at the speed of light". It reminds me of the Sheldon character on Big Bang reacting to somebody saying that something would "take light years", meaning a very long time. He points out that a light year is a unit of distance, not time, and so what is being said makes no sense. He's just referring to the fact that you can catch a "light bullet" in motion, because the *effective* frame rate is extraordinarily high.

 

* As far as other implications of "the speed of light goes", they don't amount to much. As the guy says, when you turn the laser on for a fraction of a nanosecond (and doing so with this kind of temporal precision is probably quite an accomplishment), you get a "light bullet", because light travels only just so far in that time (light travels about a foot in a nanosecond, IIRC). That's about it. Each "bullet" would be composed of trillions of photons, and you're just taking a picture of it, just like you could take a picture of laser beams with a regular camera. There are no "Heisenburg Uncertainty" issues, and we're not just "looking at one photon moving". We're "seeing light move" by virtue of watching how the entire "light bullet" moves.

 

266 I'm so freakin' fast, I can hit the switch and be in bed under the covers before the light goes out.

267 RAPE!!!!!111111

268

This is truly a wonderous time in which we live.

269 The whooping in the TED video was annoying.

270 As I understand it, there is no shutter and they mechanically raster the collected light along an essentially one dimensional collection media.  This is why the 2nd dimension of the "frame" is time.

A laser beam can be mechanically rastered quite fast with a galvo.

271 Why was there no one at MIT who thought, "Hey, let's not take that Coke label off" unless you're actually telling me the Physics department at MIT has their own ad/PR flak, and thus, the following conversation ensued:
MIT: "Okay, Jerry, are you there?  Everyone on the conference call?  Great. Jer, what we've got here is this incredible historic breakthrough and, um, well, we all just looked at each other and said, ya know what?  Coca-cola really needs to be a part of this, I mean we are making history and we all think Coke would be a great partner in this..whadd'ya say, Jer?"
COKE: "Stan, you're at MIT now? What happened to Draper & Price?"
STAN: "No, no, product placement in university experiments, that's the new world, Jer,..I'm really doing cutting-edge stuff here!"
 

272 Finally, something that uses 'trillions' without being involved about money.

273 Thank you, Kathy from Kansas!

274 So because it's MIT it's true?  The following also comes from MIT so it must be true as well?  http://tinyurl.com/qkvzgp  I have no idea whether there is any validity to this article and it very well may be sound science, but deciding it is based on nothing more than an appeal to authority is one of the reasons we find ourselves mired in the Global Warming/Climate Change Pandemonium Medicine Show.

So it's MIT.  Big deal.