January 21, 2012

South Carolina Weather [Truman North]
— Open Blogger

The weather looks like crap for this afternoon and evening, with light to heavy rain, and even some tornado warnings to the conservative West of the state.

In my opinion, this favors the mythical Fourth Candidate and his sweet, sweet Nazi gold. Secondarily, it favors Mitt Romney, who has the best ground game, and fewer conservative supporters than the other three candidates.

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And Open Thread.

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1 I think Gingrich is gonna slice like a hammer.

Posted by: ahem at January 21, 2012 09:15 AM (Z3f3L)

2 Numero uno - book it Dano.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 09:16 AM (70duB)

3

AllahP is retweeting MSNBC contributors that hear "Talking to Obama supporters and Dems in general that they are taking everyone to vote for Newt to keep him going".

 

Uh huh

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 09:16 AM (kb15i)

4 Ahem... numero dos.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 09:16 AM (70duB)

5 Cinco.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 09:16 AM (70duB)

6 Newt wins by 14 over Romney. Santorum >10% and drops out.

Posted by: zDale at January 21, 2012 09:17 AM (TPM/C)

7 Santorum is not going to drop out. He's going to wait to see if Newt flames out again and then try to pick up his supporters.

Posted by: Chris at January 21, 2012 09:20 AM (XGZYX)

8 Well I was clinging to hope that we wouldn't let the MFM eliminate good candidates, but Perry is gone. Can someone give me Romney's short bio or do I have to give wiki the click? I have the feeling he thinks he should be POTUS and has done f*ck all besides prepping for that since the SLC Olympics.

Posted by: Palerider at January 21, 2012 09:20 AM (m+nIW)

9

No matter the weather, you know who none of this helps...Buddy Roemer.

Posted by: David of PA at January 21, 2012 09:21 AM (HUxtO)

10 Your new thread confuses and frightens me.

Posted by: fluffy at January 21, 2012 09:22 AM (Lpgtj)

11 As I said this morning, it favors Crazy Uncle because his few supporters are enthusiastic. With the dregs we have left in the choices the other not so much.

The polls were virtually empty when I voted at 7:30 this morning and that is unusual. Normally it is busy for a few hours then tapers off until the afternoon.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:24 AM (YdQQY)

12

My buddy JazzShaw tweeting ALL of S.C. under Tornado watch.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 09:25 AM (70duB)

13 Here in L.A. rain baby, just rain.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 09:26 AM (70duB)

14 Santorum is out of money. He cannot continue. With a poor showing in SC no money will be forthcoming. He has to cut a deal with either Newt or Romney and drop out.

Posted by: zDale at January 21, 2012 09:26 AM (TPM/C)

15 Newt cannot win in the general.  I won't give the many reasons,  I am just telling you guys that is my judgement from watching him  in poitics for many years.

He's made a lot more enemies than you know.  And we do not know what will come out from that ethics panel or from OTHER women.  Plus he is not likeable to most of the public.

We will see.  He has a good chance to take the OPEN primary of South Carolina. Mitt will have to step up his game,  which is not a bad thing. 

And those "values voters?"  I will no longer pay attention to them.  They sold themselves for a couple of soundbites and the ability to stick it to a Mormon.  Some Christians they are.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 21, 2012 09:27 AM (GoIUi)

16 Santorum isn't going anywhere. He is rebooting. Key endorsements will bring new momentum in terms of money.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 09:27 AM (70duB)

17

ABO! ABO! ABO! ABO! ABO!!!

Posted by: Bodacious at January 21, 2012 09:28 AM (9ZiIe)

18 Hey-anyone else seeing the- CNBC polling has Newt in the lead by 14%? Does anyone know if that is "exit polling"?

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 09:28 AM (r2PLg)

19

I think Newt wins by 2, Mitt is right behind, Crazy Uncle trails but still beats Santorum. But I have no more clue than the next clown.

I have this fantasy that whoever wins the nomination, all the other (R) candidates and office hoders- Perry, Christie, McDonnell, Newt or Mitt or Santorum, Bachman, Boehner, Huntsman, Pawlenty, McConnell, Kasich, Palin, Rubio, all of them are out on the stump every day, doing their damnedest to beat Obama and elect a Republican House, Senate and President. (Crazy Uncle can take a long vacation to the Falklands.)

It's as likely as my other fantasy, in which the Dallas Cowgirl cheerleaders bringing me breakfast in bed. Hey, a guy can dream, right?  

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at January 21, 2012 09:28 AM (OT9g0)

20

BHO is a SCOAMF...

Posted by: Bodacious at January 21, 2012 09:29 AM (9ZiIe)

21 So if Newt wins in SC, does this mean Governor Sanford should run for relection there? Wasn't the Big To Do with Sanford that he cheated on his wife, and wanted an open marriage? Didn't they actually try getting rid of him over it? He must be wondering what Newt's secret is, rubbing his hiney right about now.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 09:29 AM (niZvt)

22 There is no tornado watch here where I am at. At least it is ot posted on any of the weather channels.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:30 AM (YdQQY)

23 The weather in Charleston is pretty nice right now.  I was thinking of spending the day detailing my car.

Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at January 21, 2012 09:30 AM (gEZO0)

24 It stopped raining here in Sumter.  Funny about the Dems voting for newt.  I had the idea that we could boot Clyburn by getting all the GOP to vote for his opponent in the primary.  Maybe next time.

Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 09:30 AM (O3R/2)

25 ABOOP!

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at January 21, 2012 09:30 AM (OT9g0)

26 #19  That's not a bad idea.  Local enthusiasm for popular governors and other officeholders could drag some reluctant voters (and there will be,  regardless of who is the nominee) to the polls.

I wonder how long Perry will be waiting for that call from Newt about the Tenth Amendment task force?  Probably a loooong time,  as Newt will have gone on to other ideas.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 21, 2012 09:31 AM (GoIUi)

27 Miss Marple - Newt, Romney and Santorum could win in the general.  We are looking and analyzing this under the rubric of a party primary (like the rubric reference, eh?) which is saturated with intramural squabling. Once the party has its candidate, the new wide angle fight against the liberals and Obama will unite us and carry the coutnry over the finish line with a new president.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 09:31 AM (70duB)

28 From this morning:

The latest poll is from Clemson and it shows the same thing as the PPP poll did , Newt with a 6 point lead. Both Santorum and Paul have dropped in the Clemson poll with Mutt and Newt picking up equally.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:32 AM (YdQQY)

29 Sanford did his two terms.  Under the state constitution, that's all folks.

Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 09:32 AM (O3R/2)

30 #21  Sanford is on Fox pushing Newt.  I think he figures if Newt wins he can make a come-back.

I had some amusement seeing him as the expert analyst covering Newt.  I wonder what his expertise was supposed to be?

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 21, 2012 09:32 AM (GoIUi)

31 Vic, you in S.C.? 

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 09:33 AM (70duB)

32 I don't see the big deal on Newt's infidelity. I thought Clinton set the standard: it's just sex. 

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at January 21, 2012 09:33 AM (OT9g0)

33 Funny about the Dems voting for newt.  I had the idea that we could boot Clyburn by getting all the GOP to vote for his opponent in the primary.

The Dems are not running a primary this time. But they pinky sweared they were not going to mess with the Republican Primary.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:34 AM (YdQQY)

34 6 Newt wins by 14 over Romney. Santorum >10% and drops out. Posted by: zDale at January 21, 2012 01:17 PM (TPM/C)

Santorum ain't droppin out, he thinks he's on a mission from Gad, kinda like tim tebow, but with more gay bashing.

Posted by: thirtyandseven at January 21, 2012 09:34 AM (Ctqbp)

35 Santorum isn't going anywhere. He is rebooting. Key endorsements will bring new momentum in terms of money.

Santorum will not be bolstered by the vote in Florida. If he doesn't do well in SC, he is done for.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:34 AM (piMMO)

36 #27  Sure, sure Newt can win.  If he somehow convinces people like my daughter and two of my sisters, middle-of-the-roaders who would vote for Romney,  that he isn't a scumbag.

So far,  I am not seeing that happening.  And there are polls out there showing him losing to Obama by a LOT. 

We will see.  I will vote for Newt if he is the nominee.  Just remember my dark warning of today.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 21, 2012 09:35 AM (GoIUi)

37 Vic, you in S.C.?

Yes,

Mrs Marple, if that is the same interview they did this morning I didn't see him as pushing Newt. He may have had an anti Mutt leaning but not a pro Newt.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:35 AM (YdQQY)

38 32 I don't see the big deal on Newt's infidelity. I thought Clinton set the standard: it's just sex.  Posted by: Jim in Virginia at January 21, 2012 01:33 PM (OT9g0) i don't see the freaking big deal either. Assholes.

Posted by: Governor Sanford at January 21, 2012 09:35 AM (niZvt)

39 The trouble with Newt is: What the fuck does he believe in?  He will just say ANYTHING to get elected. 

BTW, Clinton is the dirtbag that lowered the bar.  That is not something to aspire toward.

Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 09:35 AM (O3R/2)

40 I don't see the big deal on Newt's infidelity. I thought Clinton set the standard: it's just sex.

Clinton is not the standard bearer for many, if not most, conservatives.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:36 AM (piMMO)

41 30 #21  Sanford is on Fox pushing Newt.  I think he figures if Newt wins he can make a come-back.

I had some amusement seeing him as the expert analyst covering Newt.  I wonder what his expertise was supposed to be?

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 21, 2012 01:32 PM (GoIUi)

If you'd like to join me for dinner in Argentina, perhaps I'll show you.

Posted by: Mark Sanford at January 21, 2012 09:36 AM (KI/Ch)

42 Marriage is a contract.  If a so-called conservative cannot abide by the contract, why should I believe anything he/she has to say about abiding by the Constitution?

Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 09:37 AM (O3R/2)

43

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 01:31 PM (70duB)

Don't get in the way when a Mittbot is having a moment.

 

And those "values voters?"  I will no longer pay attention to them.  They sold themselves for a couple of soundbites and the ability to stick it to a Mormon.  Some Christians they are.

Really? Whats next? Calling them religionists? Sorry if your boy Mitt is losing support but the base.doesn't.like.him. He's probably going to go on and win Florida and on to the nomination, but you really aren't making the case for us to vote for your boy when he wins the nomination.

"I know I called you a bigot in the primary but umm could you please vote for Mitt?"

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 09:37 AM (kb15i)

44 When we stop trying to put forth a person with more character than Clinton, then we've lost a hell of a lot more than our minds.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:37 AM (piMMO)

45

Meanwhile back on the liberal ranch, the administration just named a new ambassador to Russia, the Russian Federation to be exact.  A liberal professor who is now agitating the Russian occupy crowd and on Facebook stating that, "this is going to be fun."

This is a very real concern.

 

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 09:37 AM (70duB)

46 18 Hey-anyone else seeing the-

CNBC polling has Newt in the lead by 14%?

Does anyone know if that is "exit polling"?


Yes.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 21, 2012 09:37 AM (d6QMz)

47 Santorum will not be bolstered by the vote in Florida.

Like it was for Perry, SC is his last chance. Almost all blue States left until Super Tuesday. That is why Mutt must lose in SC.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:37 AM (YdQQY)

48 #41  Bwahahahah!  Excellent!

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 21, 2012 09:37 AM (GoIUi)

49 28 Sanford did his two terms.  Under the state constitution, that's all folks. Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 01:32 PM (O3R/2) Didn't stop the effort to get rid of him, though. I'm just saying, the contrast in reactions is uncomfortable, coming from the same voters and all.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 09:38 AM (niZvt)

50 fuck all these shitbags still left in the race..
Gary Johnson for President

Posted by: burnitup at January 21, 2012 09:38 AM (YKGaq)

51 And those "values voters?"  I will no longer pay attention to them.  They sold themselves for a couple of soundbites and the ability to stick it to a Mormon.  Some Christians they are.

Do not go there. I am a Christian and I don't know a Christian who wouldn't vote for Romney because he is a Mormon. In fact, those I know prefer Romney to Newt's unsavory character.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:39 AM (piMMO)

52 OK It's an ARG poll CNBC is referring to: Newt Gingrich came out swinging in South Carolina, taking swipes at Mitt Romney during primary day campaign stops there. Polls leading up to primary day showed Gingrich could upset frontrunnner Romney in today's primary. One poll, conducted Thursday and Friday by American Research Group, put him ahead by 14 percent. The polls don't close until 7 p.m. ET.

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 09:39 AM (r2PLg)

53 Oh and I have 15 sisters and 8 mothers who are all voting for Newt cuz they can't trust Mitt and stuff....or somethin...

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 09:39 AM (kb15i)

54 Once the party has its candidate, the new wide angle fight against the liberals and Obama will unite us and carry the coutnry over the finish line with a new president. Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 01:31 PM

I'd love to have a hit of what you're smoking!

Yes, this is The Word from the mushy "conservatives" -- the crowd led by the pundits at NRO, "Poppin' Fresh" and, I suppose a few political junkies who are heavy into The Game -- but the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure knew he was a lock for a second term as soon as he saw the Republican cannibals munching on each other.

Or did you just forget the "/sarc" tag?

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 21, 2012 09:39 AM (tkd/a)

55 Santorum was leaving at the end of his term.  Both Dems and sanctimonious Republicans were attacking him.

Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 09:39 AM (O3R/2)

56 Whoa.  Major Freudian slip.  I meant Sanford.

Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 09:40 AM (O3R/2)

57 Marriage is a contract.  If a so-called conservative cannot abide by the contract, why should I believe anything he/she has to say about abiding by the Constitution?

Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 01:37 PM (O3R/2)

 

By your logic, Obama should be your trusted friend with the Constitution. Hows that working out?

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 09:41 AM (kb15i)

58 Both Dems and sanctimonious Republicans were attacking him.

Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 01:39 PM (O3R/2)

The Republican Party here at that time was run by the Graham faction and they did not like Sanford. They would have joined with the Dems to oust him but Sanford's popularity remained high during all that.

That wing has lost favor now. 

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:42 AM (YdQQY)

59 52 OK
It's an ARG poll CNBC is referring to:
[...]
Polls leading up to primary day showed Gingrich could upset frontrunnner Romney in today's primary. One poll, conducted Thursday and Friday by American Research Group, put him ahead by 14 percent.


RT : CNBC reports that early polling has Newt beating Romney by 14%.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 21, 2012 09:42 AM (d6QMz)

60 By your logic, Obama should be your trusted friend with the Constitution. Hows that working out?

V*ra Baker!!!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:42 AM (piMMO)

61 Marriage is a contract. If a so-called conservative cannot abide by the contract, why should I believe anything he/she has to say about abiding by the Constitution? Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 01:37 PM (O3R/2) Humans are complicated animals. Defeating Obama is paramount, but defeating Mitt is a close second.

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 09:42 AM (3VSsp)

62 Does South Carolina have a lot of Mormons?

Posted by: wheatie at January 21, 2012 09:42 AM (ALwK/)

63 Hey Marple, He's made a lot more enemies than you know.

So you know?  Care to share?

That is nothing more than bogeyman scare tactics.  You can say the same about any one of them.   Ooooh the scary MSM will destroy <insert conservative candidate here>  we better not vote for them.

If you know it speak up, if not, stop projecting your own fears.  We have had enough moderates.

Posted by: marple shamarple at January 21, 2012 09:42 AM (dQNJc)

64 14 S.C. counties under tornado watch per weather.org.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 09:43 AM (70duB)

65 RT : CNBC reports that early polling has Newt beating Romney by 14%.

If/when Newt wins, he will become insufferable.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:43 AM (piMMO)

66

Seriously- I think Newt's the brilliant, charming, arrogant, horndog 17 year old boy with ADD. (With all due respect to Newt, a lot like Clinton.)

Mitt is the dull, boring, rich, reasonably smart and competent geek. None of the girls at the party want to go home with him; but he'll probably make a decent husband.

Either one will be orders of magnitude better than four more years of the SCOAMF. 

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at January 21, 2012 09:43 AM (OT9g0)

67 So?  Which is paramount?  Defeating Obama or Romney?

Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 09:44 AM (O3R/2)

68
Whoa.  Major Freudian slip.  I meant Sanford.

Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 01:40 PM (O3R/2)

Not really -- it applies equally to Santorum.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 21, 2012 09:44 AM (7+pP9)

69 65: Become?

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at January 21, 2012 09:44 AM (OT9g0)

70 Does South Carolina have a lot of Mormons?

Posted by: wheatie at January 21, 2012 01:42 PM (ALwK/)

There are quite a few all over the South. Keep in mind that the South is probably the most bible belt area outside of Utah there is.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:44 AM (YdQQY)

71 Mitt is the dull, boring, rich, reasonably smart and competent geek. None of the girls at the party want to go home with him; but he'll probably make a decent husband. Damn, is THAT what happened to me? And I wasn't even rich.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 09:45 AM (niZvt)

72 That Consumer Cellular commercial sooo gets on my nerves.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:45 AM (piMMO)

73 Don't even get me started about Graham.  I will vote for a TEA-party candidate in the primary.

Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 09:45 AM (O3R/2)

74 65 JimPethokoukis RT @JoeNBC: CNBC reports that early polling has Newt beating Romney by 14%. **** Cripes-that sounds like exit polling -no? Why the heck are they going with that-this early?

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 09:45 AM (r2PLg)

75 So?  Which is paramount?  Defeating Obama or Romney?

Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 01:44 PM (O3R/2)

 

Boy thats a false question, but to answer:

 

YES

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 09:45 AM (kb15i)

76 That sounds high..

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 09:45 AM (r2PLg)

77 So?  Which is paramount?  Defeating Obama or Romney?

Now, when men get to fighting, it happens here! And it finishes here!
Two men enter; one man leaves.

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at January 21, 2012 09:46 AM (lpWVn)

78 It really doesn't matter out of the 4 that are left they are all probably unelectable. Hold your nose, vote, and then puke the way I did this morning.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:46 AM (YdQQY)

79

Newt is the most articulate, intelligent, and experienced candidate available. I could care less about his marriages. The choices are Romney, Obama, and Newt. Which one of these is not like the other two?

 

Posted by: zDale at January 21, 2012 09:46 AM (TPM/C)

80

@19

I hope everyone keeps your second paragraph in mind. We need to insure that we vote the Acorn-in-Chief (and all the pond scum that will be flushed out with his loss) from office.

We can work on the squishes later.

Posted by: Bodacious at January 21, 2012 09:47 AM (9ZiIe)

81 So? Which is paramount? Defeating Obama or Romney? Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 01:44 PM (O3R/2) As I said, defeating Obama is paramount and defeating Mitt is a close second.

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 09:47 AM (3VSsp)

82 Mitt is the dull, boring, rich, reasonably smart and competent geek. None of the girls at the party want to go home with him; but he'll probably make a decent husband.

With just what type of women do you acquaint yourself?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:47 AM (piMMO)

83 I think if Gingrich wins, we can thank the sycophants in the hall where the debates were held that gave him an unearned standing ovation for deflecting a legitimate question regarding his personal integrity.  This is an issue he has raised against all of the other candidates but somehow believes he should be exempt from such scrutiny even though his past is rife with ethical lapses.

I don't think a live audience is appropriate because if you can stuff the hall with your fans (like the Paul bots do) they will cheer you on and create the impression you are hitting home runs, even when you are striking out. Conversely they will boo or not respond to candidates they don't like.  Needless to say in the general election Newt will not have an amen chorus cheering him on in the debates.

Posted by: Ken Royall at January 21, 2012 09:47 AM (9zzk+)

84  @Doc_0 South Carolina Poll: Gingrich 40, Romney 26. http://bit.ly/xCGiem A blowout in the making?

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 09:47 AM (kb15i)

85

Drudge has a headline about a paper writing "America hates Newt Gingrich"

 

true enough but

 

You never see headlines like "American hates Obama"  do you?

Posted by: Truman North at January 21, 2012 09:47 AM (I2LwF)

86 It really doesn't matter out of the 4 that are left they are all probably unelectable. Hold your nose, vote, and then puke the way I did this morning. ***shit...I saw where you had to endure The View... That's cruel and unfortunately-the usual.

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 09:47 AM (r2PLg)

87 The term is "couldn't care less."  If you could care less, then you care some.

Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 09:48 AM (O3R/2)

88 I just got back from voting.  At least here in the upstate, it has been raining pretty heavy and steady for hours.  There were only two elderly ladies in front of me to vote.  Hardly anyone there.  Vic was right earlier.  My voting ballot had the names of all those candidates that have dropped out. 


Posted by: Lady in Black.....{sigh} at January 21, 2012 09:48 AM (F+Xfj)

89

This is a very real concern.

 Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 01:37 PM (70duB)

 

Global Community Oranizin' is Fun!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at January 21, 2012 09:48 AM (EoCUg)

90 As I said, defeating Obama is paramount and defeating Mitt is a close second.

Which would be fine, if we didn't have the reality of a timeline in place for these actions to take place. As it is, folks are making ABR the priority.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:48 AM (piMMO)

91 I'd hit it.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at January 21, 2012 01:48 PM (qjUnn)


HEE!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:49 AM (piMMO)

92 ARg is one of the least reliable according to Nate Silver fwiw.

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 09:49 AM (r2PLg)

93 Newt takes it today in SC by a large margin. Romney's fortunes begin to fall after today. Newt in the general against BHO. Newt's love life becomes an also ran as people begin to focus on Obama's f*ck ups. A strong VP choice with Gingrich about June seals the deal for the GOP.

Posted by: tonynoboloney at January 21, 2012 09:50 AM (pcYdg)

94 Vic was right earlier.  My voting ballot had the names of all those candidates that have dropped out.

One wonders if those elderly ladies were able to sort that out. If I am not mistaken the party can not post anything to let people now that everyone but 4 have dropped out. That could have a LOT of impact.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:50 AM (YdQQY)

95 In my opinion, this favors the mythical Fourth Candidate and his sweet, sweet Nazi gold.

Crafty Joooooz hardest hit.

Posted by: nickless at January 21, 2012 09:50 AM (MMC8r)

96 Mormons have gigantic penises.

Posted by: Truman North at January 21, 2012 09:50 AM (I2LwF)

97 @84: I think it's odd Newt will actually be REWARDED for betraying two wives. I think this will catch up with him, despite the momentary euphoria caused by his King smackdown. It also doesn't say much about "values voters.". Seems they're just as "situational" as anyone.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 09:50 AM (niZvt)

98 We are so fucked.

Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 09:50 AM (O3R/2)

99 I'd hit it. ***** I dunno-maybe if his mouth was taped shut.

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 09:50 AM (r2PLg)

100

(Among those familiar)

Do the accusations give

you major concerns about Newt Gingrich,

some concerns, or do they not concern you at

all? (Asked only of Friday respondents)

Major concerns

............................................... 21%

Some concerns

............................................... 26%

No concerns

.................................................... 51%

Not sure

.......................................................... 2%

Apparently the really don't really give a fuck.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 09:51 AM (kb15i)

101 Which would be fine, if we didn't have the reality of a timeline in place for these actions to take place. As it is, folks are making ABR the priority. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 01:48 PM (piMMO) I do not believe only Mitt can defeat Obama. Do you?

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 09:51 AM (3VSsp)

102 Seems to me you are calling SC conservatives a bunch of pussies.  Don't wanna go vote in the rain.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 21, 2012 09:51 AM (JYheX)

103 Remember
ABO > ABR

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 21, 2012 09:51 AM (i3+c5)

104 The polls were virtually empty when I voted at 7:30 this morning and that is unusual. Normally it is busy for a few hours then tapers off until the afternoon.
Posted by: Vic
..........
But you don't usually vote on Saturday, right?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 21, 2012 09:51 AM (UTq/I)

105 45: It's a new version of that Reset button Hillary gave Vlad.  

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at January 21, 2012 09:52 AM (OT9g0)

106 And those "values voters?"  I will no longer pay attention to them.  They sold themselves for a couple of soundbites and the ability to stick it to a Mormon.  Some Christians they are.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 21, 2012 01:27 PM (GoIUi)

yeah if value voters vote for Newt you would have to ask what values exactly do you hold dear.

I agree with Shrimps on Newt. It's the Cain train all over again.

Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 09:53 AM (MtwBb)

107 Newt is the most articulate, intelligent, and experienced candidate available. I could care less about his marriages. The choices are Romney, Obama, and Newt. Which one of these is not like the other two?

Newt is not more articulate than Romney, he just appeals to a certain type of voter who likes a good zinger. His knowledge of government and history may be greatest amongst them, but that does not equate with intelligence. As for experience, ahem, there's a bit of history there as well.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:53 AM (piMMO)

108 It also doesn't say much about "values voters.". Seems they're just as "situational" as anyone.

Keep in mind that their choices have been whittled down to lackluster Santorum or else. I got a feeling that with the weather most will simply stay at home.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:53 AM (YdQQY)

109 One wonders if those elderly ladies were able to sort that out.

My exact thoughts.  If we're talking electronic ballots here, how hard would it be to delete those no longer in the run?  It could confuse a lot of people who don't live and breathe politics.

Posted by: Lady in Black.....{sigh} at January 21, 2012 09:53 AM (F+Xfj)

110

I do admit I have serious doubts Newt could actually beat Obama, but I have even more serious doubts that Romney would actually govern as a conservative. Plus, given his flagrant flip-flopping and plutocratic demeanor, he is not nearly as electable as some people here believe. His unfavorables are already in the 40s.

Ideally, I want Newt to win in South Carolina, then flame out and have his support go to Santorum, who can confront Romney one on one. But it's a long shot.

Posted by: Chris at January 21, 2012 09:54 AM (XGZYX)

111 I do not believe only Mitt can defeat Obama. Do you?

Now that it's down to the remaining four? Yep.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:54 AM (piMMO)

112 Is Sanford still "hiking the Appalachian Trail" with the Latin American tart? Enquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 21, 2012 09:54 AM (h+mab)

113
A lotta cacklin goin on in here.

Don't cackle. This is AoS.

We're smart. We're not cacklers.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 09:54 AM (sqkOB)

114 I had the same feeling this morning that I had the day after the election in 2008.  What the hell just happened?  How can people be this stupid? 

Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 09:54 AM (O3R/2)

115 But you don't usually vote on Saturday, right?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 21, 2012 01:51 PM (UTq/I)

Not in the general but the primaries are about the same. Wife just got back and the polls were still empty.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:54 AM (YdQQY)

116 I do admit I have serious doubts Newt could actually beat Obama, but I have even more serious doubts that Romney would actually govern as a conservative. Plus, given his flagrant flip-flopping and plutocratic demeanor, he is not nearly as electable as some people here believe. His unfavorables are already in the 40s.

Flip-flopping? You mean like Newt and AGW?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:54 AM (piMMO)

117 If I have to vote for Mitt in the General Election, I will do so and then go home home and flog myself like a Shiite zealot.

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 09:54 AM (3VSsp)

118 91: Where have you been all my life?

Posted by: Mitt "I'm so Lonely" Romulan at January 21, 2012 09:55 AM (OT9g0)

119 Still there is a benefit-to Newt getting Romney on the ropes a few more times... you get video tape of Romney talking tough on some important stuff-like national security, defense.

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 09:55 AM (r2PLg)

120

8 Well I was clinging to hope that we wouldn't let the MFM eliminate good candidates, but Perry is gone. Can someone give me Romney's short bio or do I have to give wiki the click? I have the feeling he thinks he should be POTUS and has done f*ck all besides prepping for that since the SLC Olympics.

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I think Romney has been prepping for Potus runs his whole life, Palerider .....I think that the Reelect Obama Team thinks this too. This is why they have put out all this class warfare-1%er propaganda.

I have been waiting for Romney to give a cogent explanation as to why he wants to be president. .....So far, I haven't heard one. Just the standard bs.

The basic flaw in Romney's background is the Corporate-Raider-LBO stuff. ....Most guys who have made 100's of millions at this, are content to just buy politicians......not become one, and open up their past to scrutiny. He could not be running at a worst time with a background like that.

Posted by: wheatie at January 21, 2012 09:56 AM (ALwK/)

121 Newt is more like Barack than Mitt is like Barack, despite Romneycare.

Posted by: Truman North at January 21, 2012 09:56 AM (I2LwF)

122

I have been following Newt for sometime. I was appalled at how he slandered Democratic House Speaker Jim Wright years ago.  It was dispicable and while there certainly is a lot to give pause as respects Newt's personal past, I would remind everyone here that past mistakes are just that, past and one should look at the present in how the individual has acknowledged their past transgressions.  

Many here believe actively or passively in their minds of faith and the concept of redemption as the paramount requirement to their Christian faith. And it should be that way since redemption is the non-denominational doctrine of Christendom.

Given this, why would we apply stronger standards to a presidential candidate over our own belief and understanding as to the main doctrine and metric of Christianity and the path to living eternally with our Creator?

 

 

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 09:57 AM (70duB)

123 I had the same feeling this morning that I had the day after the election in 2008.  What the hell just happened?  How can people be this stupid? 

Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 01:54 PM (O3R/2)

 

We don't consider it stupid. And whats this betrayal of two wives crap? This Marianne gal asked for a divorce, Newt came home to an empty house. This was pre-Callista.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 09:57 AM (kb15i)

124

HotAir posted this: ARG Poll says SC GOP women favor Newt over Romney 42% to 26% .

Looks like the "women won't vote for Newt" idea is out the window. And this is in social conservative SC. Go Newt!

Posted by: zDale at January 21, 2012 09:57 AM (TPM/C)

125 95 Newt takes it today in SC by a large margin. Romney's fortunes begin to fall after today. Newt in the general against BHO. Newt's love life becomes an also ran as people begin to focus on Obama's f*ck ups. A strong VP choice with Gingrich about June seals the deal for the GOP. Posted by: tonynoboloney at January 21, 2012 01:50 PM (pcYdg) I'm hope you're right, in the event Newt gets the nomination. I'll be on pins and needles for months, praying he exercises enuff self-discipline to keep from self-destructing, AND praying women continue to ignore how he treated his wives.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 09:57 AM (niZvt)

126 I'm just outside of Charleston and the weather is great at the moment - 72 and mostly sunny. Besides the weather, I just couldn't pull the lever for Newt this morning. Turning the economy is most important, and IMHO Mitt would be better. That and I had a nightmare of Newt on the couch with Pelosi last night.

Posted by: Tim In SC at January 21, 2012 09:57 AM (I5xeh)

127 I do not believe only Mitt can defeat Obama. Do you? Now that it's down to the remaining four? Yep. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 01:54 PM (piMMO) I hope you are wrong about that. Anyway, thanks for the forthright answer.

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 09:58 AM (3VSsp)

128 I have been waiting for Romney to give a cogent explanation as to why he wants to be president. .....So far, I haven't heard one. Just the standard bs. ***** This. What's a belief Mitt holds higher than himself?

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 09:59 AM (r2PLg)

129 The short form bio on Mutt is his record is that of a liberal Democrat. His record is now reasonable on most issues but Obamacare which he still supports for MA. I'll believe record before rhetoric because politicians are liars.

Newt has at least had a couple of conservative bones in his little finger.

Other than that, they are about equal.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:59 AM (YdQQY)

130

#19  That's not a bad idea.  Local enthusiasm for popular governors and other officeholders could drag some reluctant voters (and there will be,  regardless of who is the nominee) to the polls.

I wonder how long Perry will be waiting for that call from Newt about the Tenth Amendment task force?  Probably a loooong time,  as Newt will have gone on to other ideas.

This is all good thinking, but, there is no reason Perry needs to wait on Newt. He can take the initiative, start talking to governors, start floating trial balloons on policy directions, get people on board, get that thing going.

It is an awesome idea and I really hope to see him run with it, regardless of who gets the nomination.

Posted by: Entropy at January 21, 2012 09:59 AM (Ci0JG)

131 Geezer mode on: In 1980 we had the same conversation about Reagan and Bush- which one could beat Carter? Looking back I'd say either could have. I'd love to see Bambi concede next November as the polls close in the East at 700. 

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at January 21, 2012 09:59 AM (OT9g0)

132
Things You Should Know, Which I Shall Tell You

• What's at stake today? 25 delegates, winner-take-all.
• SC was stripped of half its delegates by the national party because it is having its primary before Feb 1st.
• About 500K votes are expected to be cast today
• In 2008, Mitt Romney came in 4th with 15%.
• McCain won with 33%.

Now you're aware. You're welcome.



Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:00 AM (sqkOB)

133 I do not believe only Mitt can defeat Obama. Do you?

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 01:51 PM (3VSsp)

Of the people running probably. There are 3 polls out that show Newt upside down in favorability ratings with only 25% veiwing him favorably and over 50% going the other way. Romney and Obama are pretty close and Romney is the only one who is not upside down but that is only in one fo the polls.

Can Newt change that and get people to like him? I don't know, he doesn't seem to have that kind of personality.

He throws red meat to primary voters, the rest of the country not so much.

Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 10:00 AM (MtwBb)

134 And Perry should be really really good at that sort of thing. Come on man, do it.

Posted by: Entropy at January 21, 2012 10:00 AM (Ci0JG)

135 Romney has the resume and organization but can't/won't defend himself or conservatism.

Newt is a loose cannon adulterer who is hated by much of the public, especially women. And like Romney, he'll say anything to get elected. It just so happens he has been saying the right things lately. Plus he has gotten some conservative things done and is willing to make the argument. But the person and the campaign seem entirely too volatile and unorganized.

Santorum's paternalism and compassionate conservatism schtick is off putting.

Paul is Paul.

At this point I'm hoping for a brokered convention with some governor swooping in to pick up the pieces, but if I have to pick I'll go with Romney, hoping he can eventually grow a pair, with a VP Rubio and conservative Congress to move him in the right direction.

Posted by: Jose at January 21, 2012 10:00 AM (srIqv)

136 Newt is more like Barack than Mitt is like Barack, despite Romneycare. **** Truman show your work!

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 10:00 AM (r2PLg)

137 114 Is Sanford still "hiking the Appalachian Trail" with the Latin American tart? Enquiring minds want to know. Posted by: nerdygirl at January 21, 2012 01:54 PM (h+mab) Yes, I think he's getting ready to ascend her Twin Peaks before bush whacking his way South...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:00 AM (niZvt)

138 It also doesn't say much about "values voters.". Seems they're just as "situational" as anyone.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 01:50 PM (niZvt)

Well there are an unbelievable number of divorced couples in this country these days.  I find it hard to believe that this just happened in a pristine world where no one ever violated any marriage vows.  It is also rather hard to cast stones, when your own hands aren't exactly clean.  Bottom line, I don't think even values voters consider divorce the ultimate disqualifier for high office.  Maybe once upon a time, when this country wasn't so debauched, this would have been a critical issue.  Not saying I approve of divorce, but I think it is a lot lower on the list of critical issues for most people.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 21, 2012 10:00 AM (i3+c5)

139 His record RHETORIC is now reasonable on most issues but Obamacare which he still supports for MA. I'll believe record before rhetoric because politicians are liars.

Damn

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 10:01 AM (YdQQY)

140 I'm reading in the Daily Mail where a 82 year old man wanted to take his 81 year old wife on a cruise. She suffers from dementia and sometimes gets confused. They've taken about 30 cruises during their marriage and enjoy them. Fucking social workers went to court to try to stop them claiming she may fall over board and she didn't have the capacity to decide that she wanted to go, blah blah blah. Well, shit. Ban kids then, too. The couple won and got to go on their vacation. I can't figure out why any one would do this to them. Fucking nanny state!

Posted by: mike at January 21, 2012 10:01 AM (WnI5L)

141 Just stood out in nasty weather to vote in my suburban Columbia, SC precinct where the lines were surprisingly long. This area is predominantly white (I denounce myself), higher income, and very red, so turnout is usually very high here. Too bad my guy dropped out this week.

Posted by: Mel at January 21, 2012 10:01 AM (Sk5kq)

142 Given this, why would we apply stronger standards to a presidential candidate over our own belief and understanding as to the main doctrine and metric of Christianity and the path to living eternally with our Creator?

Don't give me that shit. It is not my place to forgive him for his past, but to use it as a guideline as to the character of a man who presumes to lead us all.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 10:01 AM (piMMO)

143 No, not at all.  SC Republicans are mostly white.  They will vote. 

This use to be a big issue with black voters who would not go out in bad weather, so everyone prayed for rain.  Now early voting at the church makes this a non issue.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at January 21, 2012 10:01 AM (sQ6Yj)

144


>>BHO is a SCOAMF...Posted by: Bodacious..

Damn straight Skippy Bodacious!


This past week, President Osurper spoke at the EPA, telling the workers there that "our country is stronger because of you." Let's see, 8.5% unemployment (and true unemployment at 15%) - that doesn't seem like a strong country.

In just the past few months, President Obumbles and the EPA have decided that jobs are no longer the number one priority in America (although, for the EPA – jobs were never a concern). That's why many people have begun calling it the Employment Prevention Agency. President Ohomo now believes that getting votes from extreme environmentalists (those who believe we should all be living in the woods) is more important than the 20 million Americans looking for full-time employment.

I WON and the agency have made several decisions that will cost hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of jobs and billions of dollars in economic activity - and make electricity prices rise.

First, SCFOAMT delayed a decision on the Keystone XL pipeline, which would have created thousands of jobs and lowered gas prices - but would have cost the tree-hugger vote. Because of this, President OFUCKYOU delayed one of the most economically beneficial projects in recent memory. These enviro-wackos didn't like the pipeline because they claimed a single aquifer in Nebraska was at risk. What you may not know is that there are numerous other pipelines running through that same aquifer and drinking water has not been affected. The delay was purely political and had nothing to do with the environment.

Second, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar decided that no new uranium mining claims would be approved in the area surrounding the Grand Canyon. Current claims would still be honored, but new claims would be stopped.

Uranium is vital to our national defense. If we don't continue to mine our own, who will we buy it from? Countries that hate us? Even though this mining creates jobs and increases economic activity in the area, and has been taking place for decades without any adverse effects to the landmark - President Bitch decided liberal environmentalist votes were more important.

The EPA has been given free rein to regulate and destroy jobs in this country. Luckily, some conservative Members of Congress are trying to control its job-killing agenda. The Defending America's Affordable Energy and Jobs Act (H.R.750 in the House and S.228 in the Senate) would curtail the EPA's destructive policies. President OFuck-up thinks that our country is better with the EPA? What about the fact that before the EPA existed, states were already steadily improving the quality of the air and water.

And what about the thousands of people who are out of work because of the EPA's damaging regulations? Their recent coal ash regulations (which are supposed to stop global warming ::eyeroll: have already meant a death sentence for several power plants across the country, which not only hurts the economy but will raise electricity prices dramatically. Amirite Vic?

Due to new federal air pollution regulations, more than 32 power plants across the country will be forced to close their doors. Those plants, which are mostly coal-fired, discharge enough electricity to supply more than 22 million households and their closure will lead to job layoffs, depleted tax revenues, and a considerable hike in electric bills. The areas that will be hit hardest are the Midwest and in the coal belt (Virginia, West Virginia, and Kentucky), where dozens of plants will likely be retired. Like Vic.

Does that sound like a stronger country?

Don't forget that when these plants close, tax revenue will drop dramatically. That's because these power plants not only supply - in some areas - the most jobs, but also pay the most in local taxes. And since Democrats are all about raising taxes, guess who they'll come after to make up for the shortfall?

Hint: it's you. 

ABO period.

These aren't even half of what the EPA has been up to during the Obamarama Administration. Remember the offshore drilling moratorium which punished every single driller in the Gulf of Mexico because of the mistake of one? It cost tens of thousands of jobs and millions in economic activity for the area - absolutely decimating the economy of those states.

And what about the new vehicle fuel standards that are supposed to also cut down on greenhouse gas emissions that supposedly cause global warming? These new rules will make cars cost about $5,000 more than they do now, and because they'll need to be smaller and made of lighter material to meet the new standards - they'll be much less safe.

One of the more absurd rules coming out of the EPA is a regulation which controls dust. Yes, dust, like what you find when you drive down a dirt road or don't clean the top of your bookshelf for awhile. The EPA believes it makes the air dirtier and increases global warming - so they want to regulate it. What does it mean? Well it means less economic activity as people try to comply with the new rules. Even worse, it could lessen our food supply because farmers will be the hardest hit.

But remember, as Prezdent I WON said, the EPA is making the country stronger. How much longer will our economy have to suffer because of the EPA's job-killing regulations?

How much longer do we have to live under the thumb of the EPA, who can now destroy your dreams by regulating your property?

How much longer will we have to bleed jobs and prevent more jobs from being created because the EPA doesn't think they're good enough? 

Stop this madness!

Posted by: sickinmass at January 21, 2012 10:02 AM (bcNec)

145
also:

• polls close at 7p local time

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:02 AM (sqkOB)

146 If Obama concedes, and that's a big if, it will be a bitter, petulant concession which blames everyone but himself.  He will call America all sorts of nasty names, chief among them, racist.  And his lame duck period will be the most damaging to America and the world that we have ever seen or imagined.

Posted by: Truman North at January 21, 2012 10:02 AM (I2LwF)

147
that would be 10pm for those of you in Rio Linda

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:02 AM (sqkOB)

148 It's proportional here.  Not winner-take-all.  No big deal.

Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 10:02 AM (O3R/2)

149 You know, the lady was in a care home and I bet they would lose funding if she were gone for the 3 week cruise. Freaking greedy bastards!

Posted by: mike at January 21, 2012 10:02 AM (WnI5L)

150

I'm reminded of what Karl Rove said on his strategy to get Bush elected twice:

"You must and I repeat MUST solidify your base in order to win a general. Independents won't matter if you don't do this".

Sorry, Mitt won't do this.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:03 AM (kb15i)

151 Newt is more like Barack than Mitt is like Barack, despite Romneycare. Posted by: Truman North at January 21, 2012 01:56 PM

Both of them are too close to the Original, the one-and-only stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure for comfort.

It's amazing, and something the Republicans do so well: everyone is all high-and-mighty about morals when Herman Cain takes a fall, and judges yet another candidate on his inability to appear smooth and polished in a debate. After that, they'll excuse The Newt for his many failings and support The Mutt, whose positions on important issues are printed on soft rubber so they can be stretched and twisted to suit his current audience.

We can think about all that for the next four years of Osama Obama.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 21, 2012 10:03 AM (tkd/a)

152 Newt is more like Barack than Mitt is like Barack, despite Romneycare. Posted by: Truman North at January 21, 2012 01:56 PM (I2LwF) That was the Royal with Cheese of bold statements!

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:04 AM (3VSsp)

153 4 hours 56 minutes and counting until the Age of Newtopia begins.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 21, 2012 10:04 AM (Qjh0I)

154
It's proportional here.

Where's here?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:04 AM (sqkOB)

155

70 Does South Carolina have a lot of Mormons?

Posted by: wheatie at January 21, 2012 01:42 PM (ALwK/)

There are quite a few all over the South. Keep in mind that the South is probably the most bible belt area outside of Utah there is.

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If you're including Kansas-Oklahoma-Texas in the 'South', then yeah.....I can see that. .....Some people cut off their definition of 'the south' at Arkansas, and consider the states further west to be 'western'.

Posted by: wheatie at January 21, 2012 10:05 AM (ALwK/)

156 The short form bio on Mutt is his record is that of a liberal Democrat. His record is now reasonable on most issues but Obamacare which he still supports for MA. I'll believe record before rhetoric because politicians are liars.

But don't the residents of MA like Romneycare? I mean, so we're for states' rights when those states choose what we want them to choose?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 10:05 AM (piMMO)

157 So dare we say Mitt is getting... Newtered?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:05 AM (niZvt)

158 ALL the primaries in advance of April 1 are proportional. And all the ones that moved their primary lost 1/2 their delegates. That includes everyone in front of March if I am not mistaken, thanks to FL.

SO delegate count is meaningless in these initial primaries.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 10:06 AM (YdQQY)

159 Newt wins SC by 10.  FL debate there will be a major problem with Mitt not answering the Tax issue.  Newt will tie the media's unwillingness to delve into Mitt's finances with the media's unwillingness to delve into Obama thereby making Mitt, Obamaright.

Newt will be asked about Clinton and his affairs and why he impeached Clinton for the affairs - Newt will have a major smackdown on the TRUTH>> Clinton was impeached for Perjury and Obstruction not sex.

Posted by: catman at January 21, 2012 10:06 AM (NYdB8)

160 His victory will be Newtonian.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 21, 2012 10:07 AM (Qjh0I)

161 Mitt is already going to start with a HUGE lead in Fla. with the absentee voting. He will win there and go on to win the nomination.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:07 AM (kb15i)

162 There's a lot of disagreement in the SC polls so we cannot rule out a Romney upset. But also cannot rule out double-digit Newt win.

South Carolina forecast: Gingrich 38.7 (87% to win), Romney 29.3, Paul 15.6, Santorum 13.9. nyti.ms/uMJIwU

Here's the change in our forecast since Monday night: Gingrich +15.7, Santorum +0.4, Paul -0.5, Romney -5.8, Perry -9.3 (out)

Posted by: Miss80s at January 21, 2012 10:07 AM (d6QMz)

163 Niedermeyer Well Mitt has his "polling" and the CATO Institute has theirs...

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 10:07 AM (r2PLg)

164

In law, we have the doctrine of unclean hands  -  allowing one being accused of malfeasance to make an affirmative defense against the accuser of similar malfeasance.

So consider this when analyzing whether Newt can beat Obama --- when the incongruency of Obama's corrupt administration, Fast & Furious, Obamacare (which was negotiated behind closed doors by the democrats, involving graft, midnight votes and misleading data submissions and outright lies, couple this with the political graft associated with the Stimulus and Solyndra, et al).

Oh, yes, my friends, if Newt is the nominee, we going to be making a striking affirmative defense to the smut, the democrats will loft.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:07 AM (70duB)

165 If you're including Kansas-Oklahoma-Texas in the 'South', then yeah.....I can see that. .....Some people cut off their definition of 'the south' at Arkansas, and consider the states further west to be 'western'.

For South I would say that includes Southern States all the way out to TX. Further than TX then I would call it West.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 10:08 AM (YdQQY)

166 If Augusta GA is any indication, the south part of the state is in for a drenching in a few minutes.

Posted by: f2000 at January 21, 2012 10:08 AM (FcMtg)

167
this is getting confusing!

SC is not winner-take-all. But...

"South CarolinaÂ’s delegates may end up being allocated to more than one candidate, but it wonÂ’t be according to proportional representation. According to South CarolinaÂ’s Republican Party rules, the state party will award its 11 at-large delegates to the winner of the statewide primary vote and will award two delegates on a winner-take-all basis to the winner of each of the seven congressional districts.

In winning statewide, a candidate likely will, although not necessarily, carry most of the stateÂ’s congressional districts. That means that the winner will likely earn at least 19 of the stateÂ’s 25 delegates (11 state-wide, plus eight for carrying four districts). The winning candidate could end up with a plurality of the vote in each congressional district and earn all 25 delegates, even with far less than 50% of the vote.

South Carolina effectively would become a winner-take-all state if one candidate were to sweep the statewide primary and the congressional districts, as well."

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:09 AM (sqkOB)

168 But don't the residents of MA like Romneycare? I mean, so we're for states' rights when those states choose what we want them to choose?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 02:05 PM (piMMO)

 

The point being that the biggest weapon we had against O is now gone. Mitt cannot argue against socialized medicine. He implemented it.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:09 AM (kb15i)

169

148: My metaphor for the GOP race two months ago: It's  10 on Saturday night at the bar. This cowboy is lonely and frustrated. There are several decent looking ladies in here tonight but none of them ring the bells for him. Wait a minute- look who just walked in the door. I need to talk to her.

 (Ten minutes later).

Well, THAT didn't go well.

Like you said, it's gettitng late and most of the other hot chicks have left.....   

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at January 21, 2012 10:09 AM (OT9g0)

170

I want to see Newt knock Barky's dick in the dirt.

Mittens will coddle the bastard. 

Newt will eviscerate his phony, lying ass.

Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2012 10:10 AM (EoCUg)

171 168 Niedermeyer Well Mitt has his "polling" and the CATO Institute has theirs... Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 02:07 PM (r2PLg) Yeah, well I'd say Mitt must be feeling poled right about now, alright.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:10 AM (niZvt)

172 Everybody keeps complaining that Newt is not "likable".  Sorry - I don't see that as an issue in this campaign.

Who wants to sit down and have a beer with either Bambi or Mittsy?  Santorum or Crazy Uncle for that matter.  The likable ones: Cain and Perry - are long gone.

Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at January 21, 2012 10:10 AM (tAwhy)

173 But don't the residents of MA like Romneycare? I mean, so we're for states' rights when those states choose what we want them to choose?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 02:05 PM (piMMO)

We seem to be only for states rights and capitalism if it doesn't have the name Romney attached to it. If it does we are all the 99%!

Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 10:11 AM (MtwBb)

174

Romney will solidfy the base when the alternate choice is Obama.

As to RomneyCare, it wasn't passed in MA through trickery. While the individual mandate is awful, Romney didn't use trickery to pass it. That is a huge distinction.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:11 AM (70duB)

175 As I recall FL has 50 delegates proportionally allocated. Texas has 155 winner take all. Perry is working with Newt in Texas. And Texas is not too hot on northeast yankees. This is a long way from over.

Posted by: zDale at January 21, 2012 10:11 AM (TPM/C)

176 journolist, You should be on Newt's campaign team. I hate adultery, but I do love seeing Newt slap "serious journalists" around. And if his upswing harms the crazy uncle, all the better. But the truth is I'm not thrilled about Newt or Romney. But hell, I want the SCOAMF out on his ass.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 21, 2012 10:11 AM (h+mab)

177

In law, we have the doctrine of unclean hands  -  allowing one being accused of malfeasance to make an affirmative defense against the accuser of similar malfeasance.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 02:07 PM (70duB)

Exactly why Mitt can't go after Obama on Obamacare. Thanks for that.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:11 AM (kb15i)

178 I hope Romney wins and howard dean, I mean Gingrich, loses.

Posted by: James at January 21, 2012 10:12 AM (IoTd/)

179 South Carolina effectively would become a winner-take-all state if one candidate were to sweep the statewide primary and the congressional districts, as well."

Those rules should have been superseded by the Party rules agreed to just before the primary races got off to the start. If they start screwing around with the delegates the national Party will strip even more at the convention.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 10:12 AM (YdQQY)

180 @179: it was the least worst of bad options, given how liberal that state is.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:12 AM (niZvt)

181

Romney will solidfy the base when the alternate choice is Obama.

As to RomneyCare, it wasn't passed in MA through trickery. While the individual mandate is awful, Romney didn't use trickery to pass it. That is a huge distinction.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 02:11 PM (70duB)

 

Hahahahahaha.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:13 AM (kb15i)

182

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 02:07 PM (70duB)

or This., if you want the unabridged version.

Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2012 10:13 AM (EoCUg)

183 Fear The Salamander!

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at January 21, 2012 10:13 AM (sQ6Yj)

184

Tendstl - he can by exlplainging it was analyzed and promulgated in MA (albeit a horrible, horrible statute) through good-faith and fair dealing.  Obamacare was not analyzed through good-faith and fair dealing.  It was forced upon the electorate.

You must understand this distinction.  It is not nuance, it is factual and should be underscored.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:14 AM (70duB)

185 We are getting thunder here now. Its about to get ugly.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 10:15 AM (YdQQY)

186

164 -

Newt's bigger problem will be squaring the circle on is recent attacks on Mitt's Bain stuff. 

I mean, I can make it make sense, but Newt is going to have a harder time with it because I don't think the truth would be a problem too.  Maybe not as big a problem as having so-called conservatives thinking it's evil to have a Republican say anything negative about Mitt's supposed "success" at Bain because that's an attack on CAPITALISM, APPLE PIE, MOMS AND ALL THAT IS GOOD AND HOLY!

Or something like that.  Still, just because voters are silly and emotional, you still have to woo them.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:15 AM (TOk1P)

187 But don't the residents of MA like Romneycare? I mean, so we're for states' rights when those states choose what we want them to choose? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 02:05 PM (piMMO) The issue is: what does Romney like? Mitt likes RomneyCare. He wants to "fix" ObamaCare. A Conservative wants to erase ObamaCare. Mitt stated very clearly that he likes mandates. You like this guy?

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:15 AM (3VSsp)

188 Newt!  Newt!  Newt!  Newt!   Just thought I'd start practicing for the victory celebration tonight - and in November.   Oh, and you Newt haters must not believe in the redemptive power of God's grace.  Just sayin!

Posted by: anthony at January 21, 2012 10:15 AM (VUvXQ)

189

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 02:14 PM (70duB)

 

You and I can understand the distinction, the American people are not policy wonks. They will see him as a hypocrite for going after Obama on Obamacare when he himself has implemented it.

What will make it worse is Mitt won't go after Obama on it because Mitt refuses to say it was a bad idea.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:16 AM (kb15i)

190 Why do I get the feeling that before going to bed at night, Newt dresses in a black robe and performs a ritual chant in front of an altar and shrine dedicated to Newt Gingrich?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 21, 2012 10:16 AM (X3vSL)

191 You don't have to worry about the evangelical conservatives OR the Lowcountry Republicans turning out.  Weather affects Democrats, who are lazy, weak, and corrupt.

Gingrich the filthy traitor appears poised to take the state, apparently too many conservatives have short memories.  He has the worst negative rating of anyone over more than a decade.  He can never win a general election.

But some people are so stupid they rush to the red meat tossed into their cages, and put aside any sense they may have had.

Posted by: Adjoran at January 21, 2012 10:17 AM (VfmLu)

192

177 Everybody keeps complaining that Newt is not "likable". Sorry - I don't see that as an issue in this campaign.

Who wants to sit down and have a beer with either Bambi or Mittsy? Santorum or Crazy Uncle for that matter. The likable ones: Cain and Perry - are long gone.

---------

My sentiments as well. .....Perry was my guy. He has a great record, and is very likable. .....But in these early primary states...you know, the ones that matter so much more than the rest of us......there just wasn't the support for Perry.

So now we're supposed to be concerned with 'likable'? .....Too late. None of the remaining candidates are likable.

Posted by: wheatie at January 21, 2012 10:17 AM (ALwK/)

193 @194: I can forgive all sorts of people, Anthony. But would you necessarily trust them to marry your daughter? Leave them alone with your kids? To be President? Total BS point.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:17 AM (niZvt)

194 Going to work..

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at January 21, 2012 02:15 PM (qjUnn)

 

That's another Job Saved or Created!

Posted by: Barack's Summer of Recovery at January 21, 2012 10:17 AM (EoCUg)

Posted by: drinks in SC at January 21, 2012 10:18 AM (sQ6Yj)

196 Newt is a lot different in person..  ask his students.  I live in GA..  Have parents who have taught with him..  Have a Father in law that was in the Mescon Group.. ring a bell?  Newt can win and better yet wants to put a boot in the current Dem leadership in Congress.  He is Pissed.. and we need Pissed.

Posted by: catman at January 21, 2012 10:18 AM (YKUmW)

197 Exactly why Mitt can't go after Obama on Obamacare. Thanks for that.

AS IF Obamacare is the only damned arrow in the quiver?!!!!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 10:18 AM (piMMO)

198 Obamacare. Romneycare. The only difference is whether they screw you at the federal level. Or they screw you at the state level. This is Romney's version of states rights! Nominate Romney and the whole TEA party, 2010 landslide meant nothing.

Posted by: zDale at January 21, 2012 10:18 AM (TPM/C)

199

Tendstl,

I believe Romney will be tuning up his responses on RomneyCare.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:18 AM (70duB)

200 Nikki, my honor requires me to mention that your endorsement doesn't mean shit.

Posted by: Will Folks at January 21, 2012 10:19 AM (sQ6Yj)

201 What's the point in dissecting how Romney will (or won't) govern when Newt can't even make it into the White House?

I'm surprised by the number of people  here and on other conservative blogs/twitter/etc that that just gloss over the fact that people have a visceral reaction to him -- and none of it is good.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 10:19 AM (7IpLl)

202 Vic, stay safe.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:19 AM (70duB)

203 Why do I get the feeling that before going to bed at night, Newt dresses in a black robe and performs a ritual chant in front of an altar and shrine dedicated to Newt Gingrich?

You too?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 10:20 AM (piMMO)

204

179 -

Let me get this straight... if Mitt put on the skirt and started waving the pom poms around saying "hooray for socialized medicine," whereas Barack forced it on us like a thief (a thief who had the majority of both houses, btw, just like Mitt) in the night, America will be ok with the buggery that is socialized medicine?

Good to know there's a difference. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:20 AM (TOk1P)

205

70 Does South Carolina have a lot of Mormons?

Posted by: wheatie at January 21, 2012 01:42 PM (ALwK/)

NO


Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at January 21, 2012 10:20 AM (sQ6Yj)

206 Pissed as in righteous indignation not Valueright..

Posted by: catman at January 21, 2012 10:20 AM (YKUmW)

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:21 AM (kb15i)

208
oooh, almost forgot!

All that shitty Obamacare is about to take effect soon.

Catholics, this is what you get for voting for Obama.

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration said yesterday that most health insurance plans must cover contraceptives for women free of charge, and it rejected a broad exemption sought by the Roman Catholic Church for insurance provided to employees of Catholic hospitals, colleges, and charities.

Most employers and insurers must comply by Aug. 1, but church-affiliated organizations will get one additional year — until Aug. 1, 2013 — to comply with the requirement.

Leaders of the Catholic Church had appealed to President Obama to grant the broad exemption. He made the final decision after hearing from them, as well as from family planning advocates, scientific specialists, and members of Congress, administration officials said.

The rule takes a big step to remove cost as a barrier to birth control, a longtime goal of advocates for womenÂ’s rights and specialists on womenÂ’s health.

Catholic bishops issued a statement saying they would fight the issue.

‘‘In effect, the president is saying we have a year to figure out how to violate our consciences,’’ said Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan of New York, president of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Cardinal Sean P. O’Malley of the Archdiocese of Boston spoke out against the announcement on his blog last night and expressed his ‘‘deep disappointment at this unprecedented infringement on religious liberty in our country.’’

‘‘Catholic health plans do not allow for any of those services the Obama administration is trying to force us to do,’’ said Terrence Donilon, a spokesman for the Boston Archdiocese. ‘‘Our employees know that when they come to work here.’’


Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:21 AM (sqkOB)

209 161: I don't think they do in hindsight, but that is anecdotal.

Posted by: Palerider at January 21, 2012 10:21 AM (cQZV0)

210

Romney has stated over and over that he would repeal ObamaCare. He may not need to if the courts take care of it. Newt it not electable in the general. Yes yes - he's more conservative than Romney. Doesn't matter. Old fat white guy vs. cute young black man with media at his back. Do the math. No wonder the dem media want Newt to win SC.

Posted by: juji fruit at January 21, 2012 10:22 AM (O7ksG)

211
Obamacare was just the beginning. It opens the door to force churches to do anything and everything.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:22 AM (sqkOB)

212 AS IF Obamacare is the only damned arrow in the quiver?!!!! More like a hell fire missile.

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 10:22 AM (r2PLg)

213 185 @179: it was the least worst of bad options, given how liberal that state is.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 02:12 PM (niZvt)

But that's never how Romney defends it.  Its never "I was in a very liberal state doing everything I could to push a conservative solution, and there was a veto proof majority so I took what I could get and it still ended up being a pile of shit"

Instead its the doubling down, its "there are some good things and some bad things" but never really specifying what is good or bad, and there is the "everyone in Massachusetts just loves it."

Posted by: buzzion at January 21, 2012 10:22 AM (GULKT)

214 This isn't the weather you're looking for. Move along.

Posted by: Bluto at January 21, 2012 10:22 AM (uSdMw)

215

The republicans are in the crucible right now. This process is to our benefit. The A game starts at final pick.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:23 AM (70duB)

216
...just like repealing DADT was just the beginning...

next is the allowance of trannies to serve openly

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:23 AM (sqkOB)

217 Mitt Romney vetoed aspects of MA HC reform a dozen times, fought to prevent single-payer, etc.
Obama and Pelosi abused the Constitutional process to push O-Care on a nation, Romney used the Constitutional process to ameliorate the damage to a State. These are not the same things.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 21, 2012 10:23 AM (Qjh0I)

218 Oh, and you Newt haters must not believe in the redemptive power of God's grace.  Just sayin!

Posted by: anthony at January 21, 2012 02:15 PM (VUvXQ)


What the fuck? Conservatives ignoring Newt's adulterous past has nothing to do with God, it has everything to do with our cultures rot. It may be a personal choice to go with Newt feeling he may be a better President, but that's only because society has degraded to a point where it's become relevant. What's God's role in that?

Posted by: lowandslow at January 21, 2012 10:23 AM (GZitp)

219 MittÂ’s new line of attack on Gingrich today. Release the contract all materials concerning freedie mac. This actually could be quite effective if Gingrich backs down

Posted by: cvb at January 21, 2012 10:24 AM (HRFxR)

220 Obamacare. Romneycare. The only difference is whether they screw you at the federal level. Or they screw you at the state level. This is Romney's version of states rights! Nominate Romney and the whole TEA party, 2010 landslide meant nothing. Posted by: zDale at January 21, 2012 02:18 PM (TPM/C) Actually, RomneyCare does both. The Feds subsidize it bigtime. If Mitt were the type of fellow the GOP needs right now, he would have vetoed all of RomneyCare and pushed a free market alternative to the Socialist crap the Democrats proposed. He would be President today if he had done so. But, no, Mitt wanted what was made: diluted Socialism. He will govern as President just as he did as Governor.

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:25 AM (3VSsp)

221

Soothsayer,

Good post.

This is a core issue of the Catholic Church as enunciated through Pope Paul VI's encyclical, humane vitae.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:25 AM (70duB)

222 223 Mitt Romney vetoed aspects of MA HC reform a dozen times, fought to prevent single-payer, etc. Obama and Pelosi abused the Constitutional process to push O-Care on a nation, Romney used the Constitutional process to ameliorate the damage to a State. These are not the same things. Posted by: Lincolntf at January 21, 2012 02:23 PM (Qjh0I) I agree with you, but damn it all, Why is it so damn hard for Romney to make that same damn point as clearly as you just did?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:25 AM (niZvt)

223 Tit for tat demands for document releases. Gotta love the silly season. Too bad it's also the real season.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 21, 2012 10:25 AM (Qjh0I)

224

216 -

Sorta like when a new male lion takes on the old male lion.  If he kills the old guy, or chases him off, he goes to all the female lions and says "I'm not going to keep the old lions cubs around.  I'm going to repeal them.  Honest!"

You know what he does after he's done repealing the old lion's offpring?  Makes his own, that's what. 

Yes, Mitt wants to repeal Obamacare.  I believe him when he says that.  I really really do. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:26 AM (TOk1P)

225
Did you see this part?
"Most employers and insurers must comply by Aug. 1, but church-affiliated organizations will get one additional year — until Aug. 1, 2013 — to comply with the requirement."

How nice of Obama! And how insidiously clever.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:27 AM (sqkOB)

226

Maybe some of these bible-thumpers should go start their own party. Like the "Hand of God" party. Oh wait, the muslims already have that one.

Posted by: zDale at January 21, 2012 10:27 AM (TPM/C)

227 When you see the news or every frigging pundit show, and all the dems come out and defend Noot, that should give you pause. It seems everyone here is all of a sudden in the tank for Noot, just because doofus Perry endorsed him. Noot cannot win the general. Even my conservative daughter says he is "slimey"

Posted by: Ma Bell at January 21, 2012 10:28 AM (uVuwp)

228 Sorta like when a new male lion takes on the old male lion. If he kills the old guy, or chases him off, he goes to all the female lions and says "I'm not going to keep the old lions cubs around. I'm going to repeal them. Honest!" You know what he does after he's done repealing the old lion's offpring? Makes his own, that's what. Yes, Mitt wants to repeal Obamacare. I believe him when he says that. I really really do. Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 02:26 PM (TOk1P) Jeesh, Burt... you should have some ominous organ music to go along with that comment...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:28 AM (niZvt)

229

Short memories here. Newt just last year on MTP said he was in favor of a health care mandate. Newts Mandate would be that you would be forced to buy either insurance or a payment bond. Payment bonds in that amount are impossible to get unless you have the assetts to back up the bond.

If a payment bond is enforced the bond company will make you pay for whatever they spent on your behalf. In other words unlike insurance companies bond companies will come take your stuff to satisfy your bills that they paid.

Some convenient memory loss going on around here.

Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 10:28 AM (MtwBb)

230 True Romney Fact: Mitt can't sleep at night unless his pajamas were freshly ironed.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 21, 2012 10:29 AM (X3vSL)

231 On a cold, miserable day like this, you just want to snuggle up with your honey all day and stay in bed.

Room 251 at the Mariott, Mitt...I've got my leather ready!

Posted by: Jen Rubin at January 21, 2012 10:29 AM (yv2EI)

232

Yes, Mitt wants to repeal Obamacare.  I believe him when he says that.  I really really do. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 02:26 PM (TOk1P)

If he gets ObamaCare repealed, it will be because he has a Republican Congress.  If he's got a Republican Congress - he won't get RomneyCare to replace it.

Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at January 21, 2012 10:30 AM (tAwhy)

233 By the by - My sister just called me from a pro-Scott Walker rally being held in Wauwatosa, WI.  She said the turnout is great - but leftist dickwads with vuvelezas are drowning out the conservative speakers. 

Posted by: Donna V. at January 21, 2012 10:30 AM (lZSTy)

234

224 -

Catholic Church.  Repentance/forgiveness and all that.  Catholics believe sinners are forgiven when they confess and repent.  You may not believe it, but they do.  They also believe it's God's role to judge, not yours and mine. 

So yeah, if you are Catholic, the stuff you did in the past is not supposed to be held against you, as long as you ask for forgiveness. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:31 AM (TOk1P)

235 The general election is going to run on narrative; Obama and the press are going to do all they can to see to that. I like Romney and think he's a swell guy who wouldn't be a terrible president (although I'd much prefer someone more conservative). But given what I've seen in his responses to Republican criticism, the Obama machine and the media will steamroll over him and anything he might say in his defense. A lot of people are criticizing Newt's "red meat" answers and saying it's just preaching to the choir. In one sense it is. But in another sense, he's actually showing that he will punch back hard and wrest control of the narrative. That's important and that's what people are responding to: not the red meat, but the actual enunciation of frustrations with narrative-driven identity politics.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 21, 2012 10:31 AM (Y5I9o)

236 Some convenient memory loss going on around here. Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 02:28 PM (MtwBb) Yeah, and one debate back he come up with a huge new federal mandatory job training program for ALL Unemployment Benefit Recipients, presumably to get unemployed aerospace engineers trained to become janitors, to teach them some work ethics.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:31 AM (niZvt)

237

Soothsayer,

Obama is pathetic.

And for those who are fretting over Romney's RomneyCare, I don't recall Romneycare forcing contraception, making it illegal for doctors to own hospitals nor the entire take over of the Student Loan industry or new strictures on holding gold.

 

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:32 AM (70duB)

238 Oh, just wanted to bold the word "mandatory"...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:32 AM (niZvt)

239 Mike, regarding 80 year old dementia wife and cruise. I've been on 4 cruises. 1. These cruise have very high railings. EVERYWHERE. I really don't see how anyone could accidentally fall overboard. You'd have to climb the railing. They would probably be smart to not get a stateroom with a balcony. 2. On one of my cruises there was a guy at our table who was over 90 and traveling alone. He kept ordering the chilled soup, thinking it would be hot, and didn't remember from one night to the next that it was cold. He got through the week just fine. And he had a really good time. 3. Nanny staters need to be told to butt out.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 21, 2012 10:32 AM (h+mab)

240 Some convenient memory loss going on around here. Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 02:28 PM (MtwBb) Not so. Newt can change his mind about MTP musings with ease. They are not Law. Mitt has a tougher task ahead. He signed into law something that led to the ObamaCare nightmare. The very least Mitt can do now is say "I fucked up." He can't and won't. He likes RomneyCare. Do we want a GOP President that will have to be forced to repeal ObamaCare?

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:33 AM (3VSsp)

241
heh, j, I live in MA and no one on this blog is more conservative than I ---

I give little shit about Romneycare, quite frankly.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:33 AM (sqkOB)

242

238 -

You have more confidence in the Republican Congress than I do.  It's generally very hard for Congress to stand up and say no to a President of their own party.  Politics tends to trump ideology.  Especially if Mitt feels he has a mandate. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:33 AM (TOk1P)

243

BurtTC,

Redemption is central to Christendom period.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:33 AM (70duB)

244 @241: How on Earth can barring doctors from owning hospitals possibly be constitutional? What about, you know, that whole self-evident right of the Pursuit of Happiness and everything...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:34 AM (niZvt)

245 I remember when Newt (noot /I like that I'm stealing that) Newt's big idea was to observe that Fed Ex can follow packages all over the world and why can't we come up with similar technology to follow people? Newt, you genius.! It's called the bar code system.  Where's your tatoo? Where's your tatoo!?  Tatooo!??

Posted by: juji fruit at January 21, 2012 10:34 AM (O7ksG)

246

Soothsayer --- good to hear that.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:34 AM (70duB)

247
Yep, it will end up at the Court...

in 2014.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:35 AM (sqkOB)

248 248 BurtTC, Redemption is central to Christendom period. Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 02:33 PM (70duB) Would you leave a convicted child molester that "found Jesus" alone with your kids, guy? REALLY??? Let's not confuse "forgiveness" with "trust."

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:36 AM (niZvt)

249

CoolCzech,

Obamacare is filled with such goodies as I pointed out. RomneyCare, while inconstitute, doesn't have the layers of tyranny begotten through tyranny.

This is a central point that is not nuance.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:36 AM (70duB)

250 Not so. Newt can change his mind about MTP musings with ease. They are not Law.

Mitt has a tougher task ahead. He signed into law something that led to the ObamaCare nightmare. The very least Mitt can do now is say "I fucked up."

He can't and won't. He likes RomneyCare. Do we want a GOP President that will have to be forced to repeal ObamaCare?

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 02:33 PM (3VSsp)

Well he hasn't backed off on that but it's nice to know that whatever Newt says while running for president can just be catagorized as "muzings" and that we shouldn't take him seriously. Why? Because he isn't Mitt!

Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 10:36 AM (MtwBb)

251

241 -

That's a good point.  I like Romney too, he seems to be a really nice guy.  Somebody somewhere said something about nice guys and where they tend to finish... I think it was Tom Jefferson, in his famous book called... heck, you know that book. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:36 AM (TOk1P)

252 Yeah, and one debate back he come up with a huge new federal mandatory job training program for ALL Unemployment Benefit Recipients, presumably to get unemployed aerospace engineers trained to become janitors, to teach them some work ethics.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 02:31 PM (niZvt)

Considering unemp. among that group is less than 5% I doubt thats who he was talking about, and you know it. 99 weeks of unemp. is an associates degree, or computer training for those that don't have any.

Come on, get serious bro. How many people would take that job they could if the alternative was to go back to school? I would say a lot.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:37 AM (kb15i)

253 "If Obama concedes, and that's a big if, it will be a bitter, petulant concession which blames everyone but himself." I'd love to see Christine Matthews have a good cry on teevee.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 21, 2012 10:37 AM (h+mab)

254 Oh, and I meant the "you" in that last post in the general sense of whoever reads the comment, journolist - didn't mean to come across as picking on you...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:38 AM (niZvt)

255

255 -

So if Newt gets elected President, you're afraid he'll... what, cheat on American with another country and then marry that other country?

Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:38 AM (TOk1P)

256

CoolCzech,

Let's not enter strawmen.

Would you want to be piloted by a blind man? Probably not, however, that's not really what we are talking about eh?

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:38 AM (70duB)

257 249

238 -

You have more confidence in the Republican Congress than I do.  It's generally very hard for Congress to stand up and say no to a President of their own party.  Politics tends to trump ideology.  Especially if Mitt feels he has a mandate. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 02:33 PM (TOk1P)

Not so much confidence in a Republican Congress - just don't think they'll pass much of anything having to do with health care.  Not enough Republicans really like the idea of a national solution to the problem - and those that do, won't be able to agree on what it is.

Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at January 21, 2012 10:39 AM (tAwhy)

258 Well he hasn't backed off on that but it's nice to know that whatever Newt says while running for president can just be catagorized as "muzings" and that we shouldn't take him seriously. Why? Because he isn't Mitt! Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 02:36 PM (MtwBb) Go ahead, take him seriously. Now match what Mitt has said and done regarding socialized medicine and see if Newt is the greater evil.

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:39 AM (3VSsp)

259

CoolCzech,

I know brother.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:39 AM (70duB)

260 And just so I'm clear, does Newt have anything else to offer other than 'I'll give you all red meat at the debates"?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 10:40 AM (7IpLl)

261 Come on, get serious bro. How many people would take that job they could if the alternative was to go back to school? I would say a lot. Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 02:37 PM (kb15i) Yeah, but isn't our whole point this year that there are not enough jobs, because of Obama? How would "job training," with some huge new agency to run it, change that? You're talking about expanding the federal bureaucracy yet again.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:40 AM (niZvt)

262

Well he hasn't backed off on that but it's nice to know that whatever Newt says while running for president can just be catagorized as "muzings" and that we shouldn't take him seriously. Why? Because he isn't Mitt!

Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 02:36 PM (MtwBb)

 

And its nice that whenever Mitt was running for office in Mass when he said he was Pro choice, pro healthcare for all higher taxes etc etc etc its catagorized as "muzings" and that we shouldnt take him seriously! Why? Because he isn't NOOT! W00t!

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:40 AM (kb15i)

263

We have to support New Media.  And stand up.

 

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:40 AM (70duB)

264 True Romney Fact: Instead of playing "Cops and Robbers" with the other kids, young Mitt preferred to play a rousing game of "Insurance Accountant".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 21, 2012 10:41 AM (X3vSL)

265 How nice of Obama! And how insidiously clever.
Posted by: soothsayer

His excuse is even more galling.

"Sebelius said the decision [to delay enforcement] “strikes the appropriate balance between respecting religious freedom and increasing access to important preventive services.”"

You get that? I don't. 'Hey guys, relax. You have a year before we come after you, so your beliefs are safe'

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 21, 2012 10:41 AM (cswrb)

266 Mitt will have a mandate to waive/repeal. So will anyone else.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 21, 2012 10:42 AM (uIz80)

267 He can't and won't. He likes RomneyCare. Do we want a GOP President that will have to be forced to repeal ObamaCare?

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 02:33 PM (3VSsp)

Eman, presidents can't repeal shit. They can either sign a bill repealing it or not sign it. Congress would have to repeal it and yes I beleive Romney would sign that bill.

Unless we take over the Senate with at least 60 votes their will be no bill though unless we can convince some democrats to vote our way and then ONE person in the senate could block it.

Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 10:42 AM (MtwBb)

268 True Romney Fact: Instead of playing "Cops and Robbers" with the other kids, young Mitt preferred to play a rousing game of "Insurance Accountant". Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 21, 2012 02:41 PM (X3vSL) Not quite. He didn't play it. He took it very seriously.

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:42 AM (3VSsp)

269

264 -

That's the hope.  I'd be more concerned about the first hurdle though, which is repeal.  It's likely the repeal process, if it goes forward, would not be tossing the entire lot, but having to go piece by piece.  If so, and assuming Rs are strong enough to get some of that done, I don't think a President Romney would allow ALL of it to get done unless he was sure he could replace it with his new and improved version. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:43 AM (TOk1P)

270 Time to wash the crunchy Cheetohs stains off my hands, erase my browser history, and go shovel the drive... Back later.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:43 AM (niZvt)

271

Twitter is alive. 305 new tweets on the incoming feed.

Oh, and that reminds me. We are just getting started on Twitter through my friend Brice Buckley. The handle is @bricebuckley.

Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:43 AM (70duB)

272

Noot may pull a win out of SC...Moreover, he may well be the nominee which should please the large percentage of Republicans looking for ABR...And yet, I don't see him pulling female voters or independants away from Hussein.  Many of those fooled by Obama are looking for an alternative.  A fat old gas-bag on his third and finally trophy wife is not going to impress them.  Win the battle lose the war...Kinda like SC voting to secede and then losing the war.

Posted by: Don't hate the playa hate the game at January 21, 2012 10:43 AM (XWsqV)

273 How would "job training," with some huge new agency to run it, change that? You're talking about expanding the federal bureaucracy yet again.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 02:40 PM (niZvt)

If those training programs eliminate BILLIONS from the Federal Budget and get people back to work then yes! One last thing, there are a MILLION jobs out there that require a little technical know how. I have been looking for a new job for months and number of jobs is astounding. I am currently training for a certification in A+ then move on to my CCNA in order to get one of these.

Article after article from companies saying they can't fill jobs because people just aren't qualified, period. If you are trained in HVAC/heating/welding etc you can write your own ticked.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:44 AM (kb15i)

274
I've been thinking about my gut feeling about Newt is that he sucks. Newt has an impressive conservative record, yet I think he's a shitbum. Why?

Well, I figured out why. Here's why:

Newt is a lot like the NRA. Both of them walk the walk with gun rights and conservatism and the Constitution, but at the end of the day they both serve up a shit sandwich they made with a little help from the Democrats.


Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:44 AM (sqkOB)

275 And just so I'm clear, does Newt have anything else to offer other than 'I'll give you all red meat at the debates"?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 02:40 PM (7IpLl)

Space Mirrors! He says they are to light the freeways and reduce our carbon footprint but I beleive he wants them so he can look at himself.

Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 10:45 AM (MtwBb)

276 "How would "job training," with some huge new agency to run it, change that? You're talking about expanding the federal bureaucracy yet again." Just think of the cost involved in that, aswell. Newt isn't saying that he wants it in place of unemployment benefits... it's inaddition to unemployment benefits. The end result will have an astronomical price tag... and drive up eductation costs for everyone.

Posted by: phil at January 21, 2012 10:45 AM (QzdcC)

277
You get that? I don't. 'Hey guys, relax. You have a year before we come after you, so your beliefs are safe'

...for another year...after the election. Heh.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:46 AM (sqkOB)

278

Unless we take over the Senate with at least 60 votes their will be no bill though unless we can convince some democrats to vote our way and then ONE person in the senate could block it.

Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 02:42 PM (MtwBb)

 

Yes and No, groundgame is already set that will repeal Obamacare through reconciliation, just like it was implemented. So all we need is 51.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:46 AM (kb15i)

279 Mitt has a bigger dick than Newt.

Posted by: Truman North at January 21, 2012 10:46 AM (I2LwF)

280 Eman, presidents can't repeal shit. They can either sign a bill repealing it or not sign it. Congress would have to repeal it and yes I beleive Romney would sign that bill. Unless we take over the Senate with at least 60 votes their will be no bill though unless we can convince some democrats to vote our way and then ONE person in the senate could block it. Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 02:42 PM (MtwBb) I know the mechanism by which repeal is done. You believe Mitt will sign the bill? Good luck with that. He will sign a bill that repeals ObamaCare by replacing it with a diluted version of it. At best. Don't like ObamaCare? Then vote for Mitt! He'll give you RomneyCare!

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:46 AM (3VSsp)

281 Article after article from companies saying they can't fill jobs because people just aren't qualified, period. If you are trained in HVAC/heating/welding etc you can write your own ticked. Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 02:44 PM (kb15i) See, here's why the federal bureaucracy forever continues to grow: Every single federal program ever passed had reasonable sounding arguments behind it. They ALL claimed to be "investments" that would ultimately "pay off." They ALL seemed doable. That's why even Republicans found themselves voting for it. You're following the RINO road to nowhere (except bigger government) that has been trod before. Remember: bureaucracies are inefficient. They suck. They waste money. They don't work.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:46 AM (niZvt)

282 Go forth and read leftwing comments on lefty blogs. They are pulling for Newt.

Posted by: juji fruit at January 21, 2012 10:47 AM (O7ksG)

283 Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 02:31 PM (TOk1P) I understand the giving forgiveness thing, one the person in question has shown remorse. I really don't see where Gingrich has shown much remorse, though. He seems to mention in passing "I asked for forgiveness," but he's always incredibly defensive about. I remember early on when he asked about it by some student at a Q&A session, he responded with something along the lines of "I hope you feel proud of yourself for asking that question..." not "look, I screwed up.". The tone of his responses haven't changed much.

Posted by: AD at January 21, 2012 10:47 AM (OBVn4)

284
Newt's bigger problem will be squaring the circle on is recent attacks on Mitt's Bain stuff.

I doubt it. Lots of moderate Republicans don't equate Bain with capitalism. Instead, they think of the guy who started his own print shop or garage. My local Republican talk radio host hates Walmart as much as any lefty. Newt's attacks on Bain will only resonate with a few on the hard right.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 21, 2012 10:48 AM (7+pP9)

285 Hmm, my takeaway is that a lot of conservatives seem to hate Romney more than they do Obama.

That's...umm....troubling.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 10:48 AM (7IpLl)

286 286 Mitt has a bigger dick than Newt. Posted by: Truman North at January 21, 2012 02:46 PM (I2LwF) I've had bigger.

Posted by: Barney Frank at January 21, 2012 10:48 AM (niZvt)

287 True Romney Fact: Though by no means a coward, Mitt harbors a deep, irrational fear of goldfish.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 21, 2012 10:48 AM (X3vSL)

288 95 Newt takes it today in SC by a large margin. Romney's fortunes begin to fall after today. Newt in the general against BHO. Newt's love life becomes an also ran as people begin to focus on Obama's f*ck ups. A strong VP choice with Gingrich about June seals the deal for the GOP.

Posted by: tonynoboloney at January 21, 2012 01:50 PM (pcYdg)

I'm sorry, I really would prefer Newt but this is wishcasting. The MSM will make Newt's personal life issue #1 and the economy will be totally ignored. Newt cannot win, and defeating Bambi is the one and only job this time. We may not survive another 4 years of the crypto-muslim crypto-communist.

Posted by: Antonio Gramsci at January 21, 2012 10:49 AM (+MbqG)

289

Posted by: phil at January 21, 2012 02:45 PM (QzdcC)

If it gets people back to work and expanding the tax base, deal. And like I said above, how many are on unemployment because they won't take that entry level position they were offered? They are making more on unemployment then that job would offer. Take the job or go back to school, I think many will say they hell with it and take the job.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:49 AM (kb15i)

290 Hmm, my takeaway is that a lot of conservatives seem to hate Romney more than they do Obama. That's...umm....troubling. Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 02:48 PM (7IpLl) What makes you say that?

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:49 AM (3VSsp)

291

279 -

Ds tend to get 55-60% of the female vote anyway.  Rs don't win on the female vote. 

I know there are conservative women who don't like Newt.  However, I haven't yet met one who likes Barack, so I think they will do with Newt what some of us will do with Mitt, if we have to... namely, put the clampdown on our noses and go vote for the guy. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:49 AM (TOk1P)

292 Mitt has a bigger dick than Newt. Does has =is or do we have to ask-how do you know?

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 10:50 AM (r2PLg)

293 292 Hmm, my takeaway is that a lot of conservatives seem to hate Romney more than they do Obama. That's...umm....troubling. Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 02:48 PM (7IpLl) I agree with you, lacy, and I just don't get it. Yes, I might wish for Ronald Reagan, but come on! People have to ask themselves if Newt will really appeal to the wider electorate outside the party.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:50 AM (niZvt)

294 Ugh. Italian commie sock OFF.

Posted by: joncelli at January 21, 2012 10:51 AM (+MbqG)

295
It's a sad state when some of you are rushing over to Legal Insurrection for material to support your case.


Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:51 AM (sqkOB)

296

292 -

No, not at all.  I like Mitt, he's nice.  As President though, if I have to choose between him and Newt, I'll take Newt.  I didn't want to have to take Newt either, but that wasn't up to me, obviously.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:51 AM (TOk1P)

297

If it gets people back to work and expanding the tax base, deal. And like I said above, how many are on unemployment because they won't take that entry level position they were offered? They are making more on unemployment then that job would offer. Take the job or go back to school, I think many will say they hell with it and take the job.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 02:49 PM (kb15i)

I have to ask, have you ever seen one federal job training program that has produced jobs? We have had hundreds of them and spent billions on them. None of them have worked that I am aware of. They have all ended in bigger government and more waste.

Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 10:52 AM (MtwBb)

298 Hmm, my takeaway is that a lot of conservatives seem to hate Romney more than they do Obama.

That's...umm....troubling.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 02:48 PM (7IpLl)

 

No, I know every Newt supporter I know would crawl to vote for Mitt, what we hate are his supporters that say shit like this. You sound like Obama supporters when they said that a vote for McCain was racism. You can't rationalize his stances, his statements, his aloofness his defense of Romneycare so it comes down to:

HATE

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:52 AM (kb15i)

299 "Catholics, this is what you get for voting for Obama." A lot of Catholics, particularly Bishops and clergy, have become so enamored of social engineering, that they are willing to vote for people who are gung ho in favor of killing the unborn. And Obama is about as gung ho pro abortion as it gets. They knew dam well who they were voting for. They didn't care.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 21, 2012 10:53 AM (h+mab)

300 I agree with you, lacy, and I just don't get it. Yes, I might wish for Ronald Reagan, but come on! People have to ask themselves if Newt will really appeal to the wider electorate outside the party. Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 02:50 PM (niZvt) Again, we are back to "Only Mitt can defeat Obama". If this is so, the USA is more fucked than we realize and voting for Mitt is better than voting for Obama like a shit sandwich on fresh bread is better than a shit sandwich on stale bread.

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:53 AM (3VSsp)

301 302
It's a sad state when some of you are rushing over to Legal Insurrection for material to support your case.


Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 02:51 PM (sqkOB)

Heh? What's wrong with Legal Insurrection? Insty quotes and links him all the time.

Posted by: joncelli at January 21, 2012 10:54 AM (+MbqG)

302 So, I have an anecdote to tell here.

I am in MI and have a business associate in NYC that is a gay man who, in the past, has appeared to be uber liberal. Thankfully, we don't talk about those things that much. However, yesterday we spoke at length about politics, much to my shock.

He is paying VERY close attention to the republican primaries, which shocks me, since he should be completely in the tank for Obama. Yet, he's watching, which makes no sense at all. He sees it as political theater, which it is, but logically, this should not interest him.

Well, it turns out he despises Romney. With a freaking passion. Why? He reminds him of every swarmy "consultant" that has come in to "fix" the various businesses he's been involved in. Sees him as a sleazy slick used car salesman- my words, not his.

Also, anecdotally, I have heard that gays are supposed to like Romney.  This one does not.

I am very cautiously optimistic about this. This is a guy that should NOT be looking at Republicans at all, and the fact that he does not liek Romney says something good to me about the state of the world.

I think.

Posted by: shibumi at January 21, 2012 10:54 AM (z63Tr)

303
Yes, the catholics are really getting bad with their social justice preaching from the pulpit. It was always bad. It's getting a lot worse.

Especially the blatant support for illegals.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:54 AM (sqkOB)

304 Again, we are back to "Only Mitt can defeat Obama". If this is so, the USA is more fucked than we realize and voting for Mitt is better than voting for Obama like a shit sandwich on fresh bread is better than a shit sandwich on stale bread. Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 02:53 PM (3VSsp) Thing is, because he's been so horrible with his income tax stuff and defending his capitalist past... I'm not so sure even Mitt can win anymore. I hope you ate something good before taking that shit on the stale bread...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:55 AM (niZvt)

305 You can't rationalize his stances, his statements, his aloofness his defense of Romneycare so it comes down to: HATE ****** Boom!

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 10:55 AM (r2PLg)

306 "Catholics, this is what you get for voting for Obama."

(Waving hand) Catholic here.

Didn't vote for Teh Won.

/not all of us are stupid.

Posted by: shibumi at January 21, 2012 10:55 AM (z63Tr)

307 I agree with you, lacy, and I just don't get it. Yes, I might wish for Ronald Reagan, but come on! People have to ask themselves if Newt will really appeal to the wider electorate outside the party.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 02:50 PM (niZvt)

 

He needs to appeal to the base first.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:55 AM (kb15i)

308 "If it gets people back to work and expanding the tax base, deal. " Except that it won't. Assuming that you are correct in your belief that folks would go back to work, the tax revenue generated from them would be hard pressed to keep up with support levels for the new feelgood social spending program created for the retraining. Add on top of that the unintended bleed out into the rest of society as a whole.

Posted by: phil at January 21, 2012 10:56 AM (QzdcC)

309 I hope you ate something good before taking that shit on the stale bread... Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 02:55 PM (niZvt) I had a decent beer to wash it down. After the first few bites it wasn't too bad.

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:57 AM (3VSsp)

310 True Romney Fact: Mitt's favorite sno-cone flavor is "plain".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 21, 2012 10:58 AM (X3vSL)

311

Heh? What's wrong with Legal Insurrection? Insty quotes and links him all the time.

Posted by: joncelli at January 21, 2012 02:54 PM (+MbqG)

 

Exactly, its a well respected site. A professor at Cornell U, a conservative in the lions den. If you don't respect that site and the accuracy of the professor you need to rethink your conservatism.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:58 AM (kb15i)

312 What makes you say that?

I take out  my strong dislike for both of these candidates. I see an Obama/Romney match-up and I think we have a chance. Romney, as despicable as he may be to us, still looks appealing to fence-sitters. He looks the part of a businessman. And most of all, he looks competent. Which I think Americans seem to be craving right now -- competent and steady. Not sexy but there it is in distressed economic times.

And then I consider a Obama/Newt match-up and I just want to cry at the prospect. I cannot see what he offers to independents or fence-sitters in purple/swing states. In fact, I don't see one thing he brings to the table. He'll be vilified as the culprit who 'shut down the federal government in 1995!!1!!  and he'll do it again. None of you seniors will get your social security checks -- ever again!!!ZOMGELEVENTY! May the power of Christ compel you fatbastard eeeeeeeeevil devil white male!'

Outside of the red meat he's currently throwing to conservatives, what the hell does he possibly have to offer to apolitical types?

It seems so obvious to me and I wonder why others can't see it. That's why I say the takeaway is the blind rage of Romney.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 10:59 AM (7IpLl)

313 All this harsh acrimony over which shit sandwich to take a bite out of. Easy folks easy. Just remember this:

Any candidate that promises to repeal Obamacare is a liar. We will not have a 60 vote Senate.

All the choices we have now are shit.

Since this will not be a 'cheese sandwich" election Obama is likely to beat any of these candidates. The MFM will relentlessly attack any of them and they will lie about all of them.

We have lost already and you can blame the "old rules". So what is left?

Take your Doctor's advice. And Doctors recommend that you drink as much as possible and have confidence in the system. Confidence in the system will keep them in power longer longer longer and help obscure the depression caused by miserable candidates. So have some today.

A fast acting message from your sponsors at the Republican party non-establishment headquarters.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 11:00 AM (YdQQY)

314

I hope that the citizens of the Great State of SC see the bad weather as an opportunity to make a statement about how important the process is to them individually and collectively. A tad of shared physical suffering, even a little stroll through some bad weather together, might make everyone there stand a little taller in the morning. A record turnout, given the inclement weather, would really send a message to the puss left, not to mention to the citizens of later-on primary states. Come on, SC, get out there and participate!

Posted by: And Irresolute at January 21, 2012 11:00 AM (vewos)

315 Romney haters have no self awarness. There is no Romney supporter on this site that has said they would sit home if Gingrich or Santorum were the nominee. On the other hand there are plenty of Posters who say they will not vote for Romney. I have a mind to tell Romney this so he would buy this site and fire all the bloggers and posters and take the profits and put it in his Cayman accounts. You know he'll do it.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 21, 2012 11:00 AM (7hPe9)

316
It's just a football game to some of you. You latch on to your favorite team and root root root!

That's not how politics works.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 11:01 AM (sqkOB)

317 Fuck Romney and fuck his asshole supporters.  Fuck them sideways and up the ass with a rusty barbed broomstick.

Fuck the Mormons too.

There I said it.  Group hug now?

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Says We Are All Truly Boned at January 21, 2012 11:02 AM (TCyyS)

318
Romney, as despicable as he may be...

holy shit, why can't you Romneybots quit it with the lavish praise for this guy?!?!

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 11:02 AM (sqkOB)

319

Newt is getting a lot of "protest support".

You know, people don't like to be forced into doing something. .....I think that Romney supporters, who are wondering why people are backing Newt, are overlooking this basic aspect of human nature.

For months we've been told that Romney is the "inevitable" one.....that he will be the nominee. .....Then, there is that crap in VA, that keeps the other not-Romneys off the ballot, which smacks of election tampering in favor of Romney.

Many of us out here in Middle Earth don't get to participate in this early voting that gets to 'weed out' some of the candidates. .....So it all adds up to the impression that the Repub-Royalty gets to decide who we will vote for, and the rest of us are supposed to stfu and vote and send our taxes to DC like good little boys and girls.....and not mind that we are being screwed.

We had a thing go on back in the late 18th century......where the people rose up against the Royalty telling them what to do. .....Something about 'no taxation without representation'. .....The euro-royals said that it would never work, that peons could not self-govern. And now we've got that same thing happening to us again, with the way that our election process has been so corrupted.

So a lot of folks are as pissed off now at the R-Royalty as they were with the ruling class of royals, 250 years ago.

Posted by: wheatie at January 21, 2012 11:02 AM (ALwK/)

320 ""I know I called you a bigot in the primary but umm could you please vote for Mitt?"

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 01:37 PM (kb15i)"


No kidding.  Sheesh.   These guys do Mitt no favors.  We don't give a crap that he's a Mormon.  If that's what you think it's about, I guess you never heard of "strong gun control", Romneycare, or MA's pathetic performance on debt, jobs, and limited government on Romney's watch... let alone even trying to take the fight to the left rather than  collaborating with them.


Newt is the best candidate remaining.  Easily.  Mitt is terrible in debates with his thin skin and need for defense from fans like Meghan Mccain and Donald Frum... and even Anderson Cooper!  He's provably dishonest about his ideology.  His only advantage today is connections and money, used to trash other candidates with 75:1 ad spending (such as in Iowa where he LOST anyway).  Obama will not have any disadvantage there.

Posted by: Dustin at January 21, 2012 11:03 AM (8RL8E)

321 So a lot of folks are as pissed off now at the R-Royalty as they were with the ruling class of royals, 250 years ago.

LOL;

In 1793 King Louis XVI was shortened for treason. What was his treason? Due to widespread famine caused by the mini-ice age the peasants were hungry.  I guess cutting the heads off of the aristocracy in France made crops grow better. Politicians should remember this lesson.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 11:03 AM (YdQQY)

322 "That's not how politics works. " It's the Free Republic way now. heh

Posted by: phil at January 21, 2012 11:03 AM (QzdcC)

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 11:04 AM (7IpLl)

324 It seems so obvious to me and I wonder why others can't see it. That's why I say the takeaway is the blind rage of Romney.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 02:59 PM (7IpLl)

 

Sometimes things that are obvious to you aren't so. With my degree and experience Its obvious to me I  should have employers blowing my phone up, for some reason its not happening.

Personally, I remember Reagan (Hate to use his name cuz its cliched) extorting the virtues of conservatism. Newt, for me, does that. Mitt can't or won't. One of the two, and its troubling. If he could and did it with fucking passion he would be my man, its not hate.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 11:04 AM (kb15i)

325 Nobody hates Romney. They hate having to pre-surrender on the first issue that got Conservatives to protest in Washington DC in decades- ObamaCare. People hate being lied to-the GOP has sold out.

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 11:04 AM (r2PLg)

326
Root root root! If my Jets can't win, I'll latch onto the Ravens.

And I hope Ray Lewis breaks Tom Brady's legs and end his career, wooohaaaaa!

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 11:05 AM (sqkOB)

327 This election is different and can't be analyzed like the ones in the past--this time the pundits are continually surprised by how furious the electorate is.  And the electorate is indeed furious. That's why they're willing to overlook the flaws in the candidates--its not the same ballgame.

Posted by: artemis at January 21, 2012 11:05 AM (EL9AK)

328

@Vic

As I said earlier, some have already touted that they would pursue reconciliation to remove Obamacare, hence 51 votes. Not sure if its true but there it is.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 11:06 AM (kb15i)

329 I can be against Mitt and end up voting for him in November. It won't be easy, but I'll do it. Right now, there is no GOP nominee and I am free to oppose Mitt as much as I want. Newt is a poor choice for GOP nominee, but he is superior to Mitt.

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 11:07 AM (3VSsp)

330
dummies, guess what?

noodles!

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 11:07 AM (sqkOB)

331 So yeah, if you are Catholic, the stuff you did in the past is not supposed to be held against you, as long as you ask for forgiveness.

Yes with GOD.

I am fairly certain I am not God.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 11:07 AM (piMMO)

332

No kidding.  Sheesh.   These guys do Mitt no favors.  We don't give a crap that he's a Mormon.

Heh, comment 324 was bad timing for you wasn't it?

Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 11:07 AM (MtwBb)

333 So far,  I am not seeing that happening.  And there are polls out there showing him losing to Obama by a LOT. 

We will see.  I will vote for Newt if he is the nominee.  Just remember my dark warning of today.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 21, 2012 01:35 PM (GoIUi)

That's putting it mildly.

 Santorum and Paul have performed better than Gingrich in several swing states. Still, electability now doesn't mean electability in November. For the very Goldwateresque scenario we might get with Gingrich, there is a McCainian scenario with Romney that is still possible (though I think it's less likely). A loss is a loss whether its by 100 electoral votes or 2.

I would love to watch the results today, but I have to go get 2 of my wisdom teeth (which I didn't even know I had) pulled today.

I think the pulling will be more enjoyable. At least I get drugs.

Posted by: CAC at January 21, 2012 11:07 AM (oIKUW)

334 The polls close at 7, so there's a good chance we'll have at least 50 percent of the reports by about 9 pm. Plenty of horse race potential in this one, high stakes too. Extra beer on hand.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 21, 2012 11:07 AM (hiMsy)

335 Whenever I see Newt... or, more to the point, his supporters talk.... I keep thinking of what a success that Governor Palidino is in NY.

Posted by: phil at January 21, 2012 11:07 AM (QzdcC)

336 Our local polls were very light - my polling place was empty when I voted about a half hour ago (3:00 PM during one of those thunderstorms) and one of the poll workers told me they hadn't seen anybody for two or three hours.  From what I understand, that is unusual.

RE: Dems voting for Newt - that maybe something that is actually happening. This is an open primary and at least in the city of Columbia, there is a real effort to do exactly that. Now is that happening in other parts of the state?  Got me, but rumor has it that in the larger cities like Charleston, Myrtle Beach, etc., Dems are voting - maybe not in huge numbers, but enough.

Posted by: Teafran at January 21, 2012 11:08 AM (U5IXl)

337 It's not Romney so much I can't stand, but the Romneybots sucking his dick like he's the next Reagan.

Things like, "Vote for the conservative businessman with the talent and courage to save America's economy from becoming Europe's economy."

Stupid ridiculous bullshit like that.

If they were more like "Vote for the guy who has the best chance of winning and who won't likely veto everything a conservative Congress passes" like some supporters are here, then I'd be less inclined to piss on a Romney sign.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Says We Are All Truly Boned at January 21, 2012 11:08 AM (TCyyS)

338 American Catholics have become the new Jews as far as identifying oneselves as being part of a "community" for the sake of socializing and organizing, while blatantly ignoring over a thousand of years of tradition which once defined the "community". They've traded religion for Liberalism and the religious "community" label is really nothing more than a club along the lines of a catty women's book club or mens' fantasy football league.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at January 21, 2012 11:09 AM (ijjAe)

339 True Romney Fact: Despite learning to ride a bike at a young age, he insisted that the training wheels be left on until his fifteenth birthday.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 21, 2012 11:09 AM (X3vSL)

340 Add to wheatie's comment that the Conservative media reduced themselves to cheerleading-only now after it is "safe" for Romney are they admitting there might be a problem with Mitt attacking RomneyCare-er, ObamaCare-probably because-for what ever reason the GOP has given up on that.

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 11:10 AM (r2PLg)

341
Obama will eat Mitt "vulture capitalism/Romneycare" Romney alive.

Nominating Mitt is nominating fail.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 21, 2012 11:11 AM (7+pP9)

342

 

@toddstarnes Team Romney delivers cake to Newt - marking 15th anniversary he became first Speaker reprimanded for ethics violation #lowclass

Keep it classy Mitt

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 11:11 AM (kb15i)

343

@328...Vic,

Yeah Vic......pitchforks and rolling pins! ....People are that pissed off.

Posted by: wheatie at January 21, 2012 11:11 AM (ALwK/)

344 One of the two, and its troubling. If he could and did it with fucking passion he would be my man, its not hate.

Just to be clear, the only thing I was saying was 'obvious' (to me) was how each of these two would play out in a general election.

I strongly dislike both candidates. The only thing I am evaluating at this point is how they will look to voters in the general. That's it. Nothing else. I seriously don't care how the fuck they will govern as they both equally suck in my book. The difference too is that it's a moot point to even have the discussion on Newt because he doesn't have the appeal or temperament to attract non-conservative voters.

Does anyone honestly think he can run an organized campaign while simultaneously being disciplined enough to not self-implode every third day? If so, I need to get in your head because if he's our nominee I think the GOP and our country  is fucked six ways to Sunday.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 11:13 AM (7IpLl)

345 >>>It's not Romney so much I can't stand, but the Romneybots sucking his dick like he's the next Reagan. >>>Things like, "Vote for the conservative businessman with the talent and courage to save America's economy from becoming Europe's economy." >>>Stupid ridiculous bullshit like that. >>>If they were more like "Vote for the guy who has the best chance of winning and who won't likely veto everything a conservative Congress passes" like some supporters are here, then I'd be less inclined to piss on a Romney sign. Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Says We Are All Truly Boned at January 21, 2012 03:08 PM (TCyyS) Funny, I have the same attitude towards certain Gingrich supporters (Drew). I mean reading his stuff you'd never guess Gingrich was all for the personal mandate until last year. But hey, he helped Clinton pass welfare reform twenty years ago. I'll say it again: at least when Romney flip-flops, he flip-flops to the right side.

Posted by: Paul at January 21, 2012 11:14 AM (DsHk0)

346 Let's do a crap analogy..as analogies go-it's going to be full of holes. Obama mugged your wallet. Mitt helped chase you down. Voting for Mitt is like voting for the least successful mugger-or something. Ya this sucks-who cares.

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 11:14 AM (r2PLg)

347 New ace thread up

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 11:14 AM (YdQQY)

348 Oh crap...that was probably racist.

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 11:15 AM (r2PLg)

349 Does anyone honestly think he can run an organized campaign while simultaneously being disciplined enough to not self-implode every third day? If so, I need to get in your head because if he's our nominee I think the GOP and our country  is fucked six ways to Sunday.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 03:13 PM (7IpLl)

Of course he can, look what a good job he did of getting on the ballot of his HOME state of Virginia. Newt is all about being organized.

Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 11:15 AM (MtwBb)

350 Meanwhile Romney stashed his wallet in the Caymans...

Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 11:16 AM (r2PLg)

351 Of course he can, look what a good job he did of getting on the ballot of his HOME state of Virginia. Newt is all about being organized.

I giggled.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 11:17 AM (piMMO)

352 And I hope Ray Lewis breaks Tom Brady's legs and end his career, wooohaaaaa!

Now, now - just a few snot-bubbling sacks will be enough.

Posted by: DaveA at January 21, 2012 11:17 AM (XFxB5)

353 they says it never rains in Southern...........California

also, much angst on this site, there is.  Relax, and accept The Romney

Posted by: Major Major Major Major at January 21, 2012 11:17 AM (UqKQV)

354 Newt will announce tomorrow that he will now focus his attack on Romney for being a chickenhawk. If that doesn't work he'll hit him with the claim he is a Union buster and wants to fire teachers.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 21, 2012 11:18 AM (7hPe9)

355 Newt reminds too many people of an aged Chuckie doll.

scares them, his anger does

Posted by: Major Major Major Major at January 21, 2012 11:19 AM (UqKQV)

356

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 03:13 PM (7IpLl)

Your fear is the same as mine. But the difference is I will take the risk with Newt fighting for conservatism and convincing the electorate that Obama and his policies are for shit. Whereas Mitt will be like McCain and just be Mr. Nice Guy. Remember "You have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency, my friends."

I mean I was waiting for takeout at a restaurant last night and they had Rachel Maddow on, and they were playing clips of Romneys interview with Laura Ingram where Romney said, Im paraphrasing "The economy has turned around and is getting better".

Really? is that how you fight? They had that on a loop on MSNBC.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 11:19 AM (kb15i)

357 Funny, I have the same attitude towards certain Gingrich supporters (Drew). I mean reading his stuff you'd never guess Gingrich was all for the personal mandate until last year. But hey, he helped Clinton pass welfare reform twenty years ago.

It's wrong no matter who does it.  I can't stand the turd polishing.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Says We Are All Truly Boned at January 21, 2012 11:19 AM (TCyyS)

358 I'd be more than happy to support Newt over Mittens if our country looks like this.

But as it stands from the last election, I'm not willing to take that risk.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 11:20 AM (7IpLl)

359 I think Newt is hurt worst by the foul weather since he surged late.  Absentee ballots were cast before his surge.  I bet more than a few of them regret not going to the pole.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at January 21, 2012 11:21 AM (JKNDp)

360
My big problem with Newt is that after the spanking he got in the House he's changed from a conservative ideologue to a pragmatic, lying sack o' sh*t.

The good news: as someone else said in the previous thread, as president we could expect about two years of conservatism from Newt before he went Romney.

The bad news: Romney would be Romney from day one.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 21, 2012 11:21 AM (7+pP9)

361 #51  Well,  as a Catholic I don't know anyone who would,  either.  However,  I am getting anti-Mormon tweets from backers of people who are not now in the race  (Cain, Perry, and Palin) and they are of that bent.

I also see that Richard Land said they went for Santorum at their meeting.

So now I am wondering where this is coming from and who is sending these tweets,  most of which people I have now unfollowed.   Hmmm. 

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 21, 2012 11:22 AM (GoIUi)

362 Romney won, has it sown up, its mitt vs obama now. Free medicine and healthcare for all is good.

Posted by: The establishment at January 21, 2012 11:24 AM (nUY9n)

363

@toddstarnes Team Romney delivers cake to Newt - marking 15th anniversary he became first Speaker reprimanded for ethics violation #lowclass

Keep it classy Mitt


THIS  -  This stupid Ivy League, bullshit college tee hee shit, is what destroys Mitt.

Newt says "Where is Mitt I thought we were going to debate?"  Mitt sends a snarky message with a fucking cake.  Newt's people will just take a piss in their cars, while eating the cake.

Posted by: catman at January 21, 2012 11:25 AM (NYdB8)

364

In 1960, the people who heard the Presidential debate twixt Kennedy and Nixon on the radio said that they thought  Nixon had held the edge in the debate. As we know, JFK won the election because he was one of the more handsome men in political history.

Now we have a chance of nominate Newt, who looks like McCain, a has-been dredged from the swamps of Washington DC, or Mitt, whose father was born in Mexico, and has been evidently advised to look friendly and non-threatening. Do you  know how tough it is to get a Repub over that buut-he's-a-a-a-mm-m-MONSTER!! hill, and how implausible it is when accusing Romney? Really, if McCain had not been so knarled, (plus Mc was/is a fighter, like Newt, at least concerning his own interests) we wouldn't have seen anymore of Barack after '08.

Posted by: dweebton at January 21, 2012 11:26 AM (hGRh5)

365

I would love to watch the results today, but I have to go get 2 of my wisdom teeth (which I didn't even know I had) pulled today.

I think the pulling will be more enjoyable. At least I get drugs.

Posted by: CAC at January 21, 2012 03:07 PM (oIKUW)

Heh. They'll give you Vicodin, which can produce euphoria. And a queasy stomach, plus full body itchiness. Unless the script already says so, the best thing I've found is to double the initial dose and take the rest as prescribed.

And stop taking them ASAP. Save them for when you have severe pain and can't get to a doctor right away or if your doctor decides to be an asshole and prescribe you weak pain killers when you need something stronger.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 21, 2012 11:30 AM (7+pP9)

366 So rain stops people from voting? They shouldn't be anyway then, go back to only landowners vote, don't own a8x8 shack can't vote for free stuff from those who do

Posted by: The establishment at January 21, 2012 11:33 AM (nUY9n)

367 As I said earlier, it is not "just" the rain. People will come out and vote in bad weather when they have something to vote for.

This weather favors the Paul crowd.  Also, the coastal areas have had good weather for most of the day so they will be voting heavier. The coastal areas are full of Northern transplants so anything can happen there.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 11:37 AM (YdQQY)

368 370- This sort of chickenshit crap is what Mitt has pulled since he knew he wasn't going to be coronated. He's an unpleasant man when it gets tough ( see Jim Talents smear job commercial). I hope he gets his ass kicked tonight just to see if he gets it- I doubt it.

Posted by: jjshaka at January 21, 2012 11:39 AM (IMEKd)

369 Mitt Romney: So inspiring and instilling in confidence that people are willing to look at Newt Gingrich for president.

Posted by: buzzion at January 21, 2012 11:45 AM (GULKT)

370 People should just vote for who they feel is the best candidate without playing childish games of revenge by way of the ballot. Politics has always been a nasty business and unfortunately you are going to get bashed as well as lobbied by another group of fellow conservatives.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 21, 2012 11:53 AM (d6QMz)

371

But don't the residents of MA like Romneycare? I mean, so we're for states' rights when those states choose what we want them to choose?

Yes, the liberals of MA like having the federal government and the other states float them cash for their socialist health care, and be their to bail their insolvent asses out when the bill comes do.

But no, states do not have the right to do that to each other.

Posted by: Entropy at January 21, 2012 11:56 AM (Ci0JG)

372

Mitt Romney: So inspiring and instilling in confidence that people are willing to look at elect Newt Gingrich for president.

FIFY.

Posted by: Entropy at January 21, 2012 11:57 AM (Ci0JG)

373

(plus Mc was/is a fighter, like Newt, at least concerning his own interests)

He endorsed Obama you liar.

In the middle of his own campaign he stumped for the jugeared bastard.

So as not to seem... wait, can you guess?

Are you ready?

Did you right down your guess on a sheet a paper?

Fold it in half and set it on top the monitor?

Racist.

Posted by: Entropy at January 21, 2012 12:00 PM (Ci0JG)

374 Apropo.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 21, 2012 12:01 PM (Ci0JG)

375

I think the most important issue facing this country is racism, so... I can only vote for black guys.

You better Cain's ass back in there somehow.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 21, 2012 12:01 PM (Ci0JG)

376 “He’s likeable. I would never beat Obama in a personality contest,” Gingrich said on CNN’s “Erin Burnett OutFront.” “But the presidency is not about likeability. The presidency is about are you capable of doing the job?” hahaha

Posted by: phil at January 21, 2012 12:17 PM (QzdcC)

377 Pick me and you will have the dignity of losing big with an in-your-face candidate as opposed to having a shot of winning with the dreaded Mass. squish.

Posted by: Fig Newton at January 21, 2012 12:25 PM (8HhF2)

378 Who cares about a bunch of rednecks from the south. New England states drive this country. South Carolina wasn't even one of the original 13 colonies like Vermot. I will not what this crap and instead help young women at that Brattleboro Reproductive Heath Center tonight...........Doing something productiuve for the contry...

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Obama-boro (Old Brattleboro), Vermont at January 21, 2012 12:26 PM (Te1S8)

379 SC gal just voted for Newt.  Like him better than Romney the Rollover.

Posted by: KR1 at January 21, 2012 12:26 PM (oEfom)

380 385 - A suggestion?  Learn how to spell before you spew your ignorance and bigotry.  You misspelled the name of your own state, you stupid beyotch.

Posted by: KR1 at January 21, 2012 12:31 PM (oEfom)

381 338 So yeah, if you are Catholic, the stuff you did in the past is not supposed to be held against you, as long as you ask for forgiveness. ------------------------------------------------

Yes with GOD.

I am fairly certain I am not God.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 03:07 PM (piMMO)

Well then, I guess you and yours should go ahead and start throwing those stones at him.  I hear God doesn't have a problem with that at all.   

Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 12:32 PM (Gc/Qi)

382 The regional breakdown in the PPP poll shows the upland region (where the biggest storms are in that radar picture) as Ron Paul's strongest area. So the weather may hurt him worse.

Posted by: Michael Bates at January 21, 2012 01:00 PM (ZIRk2)

383 "New England states drive this country." Pretty sure New England doesn't mean what you think it means. "South Carolina wasn't even one of the original 13 colonies like Vermot." Uh, no. You have that backwards, you total and complete idiot. Vermont was not one of the original 13 colonies. South Carolina was. You're a f'king moron.

Posted by: AD at January 21, 2012 01:05 PM (OBVn4)

384 Posted by: AD at January 21, 2012 05:05 PM (OBVn4)

You should know you are arguing with a sock.

Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 01:24 PM (YdQQY)

385 Well, damn

Posted by: AD at January 21, 2012 01:30 PM (OBVn4)

386 What a horrible situation:  Mitt can't defend himself or his actions in a hostile environment - as it will be once the Convention is over; Newt can, but he's likely to fly apart at any moment.  Santorum and Paul are jokes.  Assuming we don't degenerate into Venezulia in the next four years, we need to be working to create a Conservative party and run a viable candidate.

Posted by: rabidfox at January 21, 2012 02:06 PM (LXboU)

387 WTF.  Rain is going to change the vote?  This is hurricane AND tornado country dude.  Those folks in South Carolina have stared actual storms in the eye and found them lacking.  This is just piss in the wind.

It's sort of insulting to think that people might cower indoors due to the oncoming...thunderheads.  WTF do you actually think of Southerners then?

Posted by: WinnabowNC at January 21, 2012 02:13 PM (tYyor)

388

DrewMTips Unpossible! RT @GOP12 Married women going for Gingrich; single women split between Mitt and Newt. #Foxexitpoll

 

That gave me the lulz.....

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 02:19 PM (kb15i)

389 Holy crap, pardon me Lord, but reports saying Joe Paterno near death.

Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 02:20 PM (kb15i)

390 Bad weather tends to keep away those nasty Dem saboteurs...Helps Newt!

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 21, 2012 03:01 PM (hRH92)

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