January 21, 2012
— Open Blogger The weather looks like crap for this afternoon and evening, with light to heavy rain, and even some tornado warnings to the conservative West of the state.
In my opinion, this favors the mythical Fourth Candidate and his sweet, sweet Nazi gold. Secondarily, it favors Mitt Romney, who has the best ground game, and fewer conservative supporters than the other three candidates.
And Open Thread.
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AllahP is retweeting MSNBC contributors that hear "Talking to Obama supporters and Dems in general that they are taking everyone to vote for Newt to keep him going".
Uh huh
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 09:16 AM (kb15i)
Posted by: zDale at January 21, 2012 09:17 AM (TPM/C)
Posted by: Chris at January 21, 2012 09:20 AM (XGZYX)
Posted by: Palerider at January 21, 2012 09:20 AM (m+nIW)
No matter the weather, you know who none of this helps...Buddy Roemer.
Posted by: David of PA at January 21, 2012 09:21 AM (HUxtO)
Posted by: fluffy at January 21, 2012 09:22 AM (Lpgtj)
The polls were virtually empty when I voted at 7:30 this morning and that is unusual. Normally it is busy for a few hours then tapers off until the afternoon.
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:24 AM (YdQQY)
My buddy JazzShaw tweeting ALL of S.C. under Tornado watch.
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 09:25 AM (70duB)
Posted by: zDale at January 21, 2012 09:26 AM (TPM/C)
He's made a lot more enemies than you know. And we do not know what will come out from that ethics panel or from OTHER women. Plus he is not likeable to most of the public.
We will see. He has a good chance to take the OPEN primary of South Carolina. Mitt will have to step up his game, which is not a bad thing.
And those "values voters?" I will no longer pay attention to them. They sold themselves for a couple of soundbites and the ability to stick it to a Mormon. Some Christians they are.
Posted by: Miss Marple at January 21, 2012 09:27 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 09:27 AM (70duB)
Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 09:28 AM (r2PLg)
I think Newt wins by 2, Mitt is right behind, Crazy Uncle trails but still beats Santorum. But I have no more clue than the next clown.
I have this fantasy that whoever wins the nomination, all the other (R) candidates and office hoders- Perry, Christie, McDonnell, Newt or Mitt or Santorum, Bachman, Boehner, Huntsman, Pawlenty, McConnell, Kasich, Palin, Rubio, all of them are out on the stump every day, doing their damnedest to beat Obama and elect a Republican House, Senate and President. (Crazy Uncle can take a long vacation to the Falklands.)
It's as likely as my other fantasy, in which the Dallas Cowgirl cheerleaders bringing me breakfast in bed. Hey, a guy can dream, right?
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at January 21, 2012 09:28 AM (OT9g0)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 09:29 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:30 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at January 21, 2012 09:30 AM (gEZO0)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 09:30 AM (O3R/2)
I wonder how long Perry will be waiting for that call from Newt about the Tenth Amendment task force? Probably a loooong time, as Newt will have gone on to other ideas.
Posted by: Miss Marple at January 21, 2012 09:31 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 09:31 AM (70duB)
The latest poll is from Clemson and it shows the same thing as the PPP poll did , Newt with a 6 point lead. Both Santorum and Paul have dropped in the Clemson poll with Mutt and Newt picking up equally.
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:32 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 09:32 AM (O3R/2)
I had some amusement seeing him as the expert analyst covering Newt. I wonder what his expertise was supposed to be?
Posted by: Miss Marple at January 21, 2012 09:32 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at January 21, 2012 09:33 AM (OT9g0)
The Dems are not running a primary this time. But they pinky sweared they were not going to mess with the Republican Primary.
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:34 AM (YdQQY)
Santorum ain't droppin out, he thinks he's on a mission from Gad, kinda like tim tebow, but with more gay bashing.
Posted by: thirtyandseven at January 21, 2012 09:34 AM (Ctqbp)
Santorum will not be bolstered by the vote in Florida. If he doesn't do well in SC, he is done for.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:34 AM (piMMO)
So far, I am not seeing that happening. And there are polls out there showing him losing to Obama by a LOT.
We will see. I will vote for Newt if he is the nominee. Just remember my dark warning of today.
Posted by: Miss Marple at January 21, 2012 09:35 AM (GoIUi)
Yes,
Mrs Marple, if that is the same interview they did this morning I didn't see him as pushing Newt. He may have had an anti Mutt leaning but not a pro Newt.
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:35 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Governor Sanford at January 21, 2012 09:35 AM (niZvt)
BTW, Clinton is the dirtbag that lowered the bar. That is not something to aspire toward.
Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 09:35 AM (O3R/2)
Clinton is not the standard bearer for many, if not most, conservatives.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:36 AM (piMMO)
I had some amusement seeing him as the expert analyst covering Newt. I wonder what his expertise was supposed to be?
Posted by: Miss Marple at January 21, 2012 01:32 PM (GoIUi)
If you'd like to join me for dinner in Argentina, perhaps I'll show you.
Posted by: Mark Sanford at January 21, 2012 09:36 AM (KI/Ch)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 09:37 AM (O3R/2)
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 01:31 PM (70duB)
Don't get in the way when a Mittbot is having a moment.
And those "values voters?" I will no longer pay attention to them. They sold themselves for a couple of soundbites and the ability to stick it to a Mormon. Some Christians they are.
Really? Whats next? Calling them religionists? Sorry if your boy Mitt is losing support but the base.doesn't.like.him. He's probably going to go on and win Florida and on to the nomination, but you really aren't making the case for us to vote for your boy when he wins the nomination.
"I know I called you a bigot in the primary but umm could you please vote for Mitt?"
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 09:37 AM (kb15i)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:37 AM (piMMO)
Meanwhile back on the liberal ranch, the administration just named a new ambassador to Russia, the Russian Federation to be exact. A liberal professor who is now agitating the Russian occupy crowd and on Facebook stating that, "this is going to be fun."
This is a very real concern.
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 09:37 AM (70duB)
CNBC polling has Newt in the lead by 14%?
Does anyone know if that is "exit polling"?
Yes.
Posted by: Miss80s at January 21, 2012 09:37 AM (d6QMz)
Like it was for Perry, SC is his last chance. Almost all blue States left until Super Tuesday. That is why Mutt must lose in SC.
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:37 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 09:38 AM (niZvt)
Do not go there. I am a Christian and I don't know a Christian who wouldn't vote for Romney because he is a Mormon. In fact, those I know prefer Romney to Newt's unsavory character.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:39 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 09:39 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 09:39 AM (kb15i)
I'd love to have a hit of what you're smoking!
Yes, this is The Word from the mushy "conservatives" -- the crowd led by the pundits at NRO, "Poppin' Fresh" and, I suppose a few political junkies who are heavy into The Game -- but the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure knew he was a lock for a second term as soon as he saw the Republican cannibals munching on each other.
Or did you just forget the "/sarc" tag?
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 21, 2012 09:39 AM (tkd/a)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 09:39 AM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 01:37 PM (O3R/2)
By your logic, Obama should be your trusted friend with the Constitution. Hows that working out?
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 09:41 AM (kb15i)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 01:39 PM (O3R/2)
The Republican Party here at that time was run by the Graham faction and they did not like Sanford. They would have joined with the Dems to oust him but Sanford's popularity remained high during all that.
That wing has lost favor now.
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:42 AM (YdQQY)
It's an ARG poll CNBC is referring to:
[...]
Polls leading up to primary day showed Gingrich could upset frontrunnner Romney in today's primary. One poll, conducted Thursday and Friday by American Research Group, put him ahead by 14 percent.
JimPethokoukis RT @JoeNBC: CNBC reports that early polling has Newt beating Romney by 14%.
Posted by: Miss80s at January 21, 2012 09:42 AM (d6QMz)
V*ra Baker!!!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:42 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 09:42 AM (3VSsp)
Posted by: wheatie at January 21, 2012 09:42 AM (ALwK/)
So you know? Care to share?
That is nothing more than bogeyman scare tactics. You can say the same about any one of them. Ooooh the scary MSM will destroy <insert conservative candidate here> we better not vote for them.
If you know it speak up, if not, stop projecting your own fears. We have had enough moderates.
Posted by: marple shamarple at January 21, 2012 09:42 AM (dQNJc)
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 09:43 AM (70duB)
If/when Newt wins, he will become insufferable.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:43 AM (piMMO)
Seriously- I think Newt's the brilliant, charming, arrogant, horndog 17 year old boy with ADD. (With all due respect to Newt, a lot like Clinton.)
Mitt is the dull, boring, rich, reasonably smart and competent geek. None of the girls at the party want to go home with him; but he'll probably make a decent husband.
Either one will be orders of magnitude better than four more years of the SCOAMF.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at January 21, 2012 09:43 AM (OT9g0)
Whoa. Major Freudian slip. I meant Sanford.
Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 01:40 PM (O3R/2)
Not really -- it applies equally to Santorum.Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 21, 2012 09:44 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: wheatie at January 21, 2012 01:42 PM (ALwK/)
There are quite a few all over the South. Keep in mind that the South is probably the most bible belt area outside of Utah there is.
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:44 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 09:45 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:45 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 09:45 AM (O3R/2)
Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 09:45 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 01:44 PM (O3R/2)
Boy thats a false question, but to answer:
YES
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 09:45 AM (kb15i)
Now, when men get to fighting, it happens here! And it finishes here!
Two men enter; one man leaves.
Posted by: Beto Ochoa at January 21, 2012 09:46 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:46 AM (YdQQY)
Newt is the most articulate, intelligent, and experienced candidate available. I could care less about his marriages. The choices are Romney, Obama, and Newt. Which one of these is not like the other two?
Posted by: zDale at January 21, 2012 09:46 AM (TPM/C)
@19
I hope everyone keeps your second paragraph in mind. We need to insure that we vote the Acorn-in-Chief (and all the pond scum that will be flushed out with his loss) from office.
We can work on the squishes later.
Posted by: Bodacious at January 21, 2012 09:47 AM (9ZiIe)
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 09:47 AM (3VSsp)
With just what type of women do you acquaint yourself?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:47 AM (piMMO)
I don't think a live audience is appropriate because if you can stuff the hall with your fans (like the Paul bots do) they will cheer you on and create the impression you are hitting home runs, even when you are striking out. Conversely they will boo or not respond to candidates they don't like. Needless to say in the general election Newt will not have an amen chorus cheering him on in the debates.
Posted by: Ken Royall at January 21, 2012 09:47 AM (9zzk+)
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 09:47 AM (kb15i)
Drudge has a headline about a paper writing "America hates Newt Gingrich"
true enough but
You never see headlines like "American hates Obama" do you?
Posted by: Truman North at January 21, 2012 09:47 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 09:47 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Lady in Black.....{sigh} at January 21, 2012 09:48 AM (F+Xfj)
This is a very real concern.
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 01:37 PM (70duB)
Global Community Oranizin' is Fun!
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at January 21, 2012 09:48 AM (EoCUg)
Which would be fine, if we didn't have the reality of a timeline in place for these actions to take place. As it is, folks are making ABR the priority.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:48 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 09:49 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: tonynoboloney at January 21, 2012 09:50 AM (pcYdg)
One wonders if those elderly ladies were able to sort that out. If I am not mistaken the party can not post anything to let people now that everyone but 4 have dropped out. That could have a LOT of impact.
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:50 AM (YdQQY)
Crafty Joooooz hardest hit.
Posted by: nickless at January 21, 2012 09:50 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 09:50 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 09:50 AM (r2PLg)
(Among those familiar)
Do the accusations give
you major concerns about Newt Gingrich, some concerns, or do they not concern you at all? (Asked only of Friday respondents)
Major concerns
............................................... 21%
Some concerns
............................................... 26%
No concerns
.................................................... 51%
Not sure
.......................................................... 2%
Apparently the really don't really give a fuck.
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 09:51 AM (kb15i)
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 09:51 AM (3VSsp)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 21, 2012 09:51 AM (JYheX)
Posted by: Vic
..........
But you don't usually vote on Saturday, right?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 21, 2012 09:51 AM (UTq/I)
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at January 21, 2012 09:52 AM (OT9g0)
Posted by: Miss Marple at January 21, 2012 01:27 PM (GoIUi)
yeah if value voters vote for Newt you would have to ask what values exactly do you hold dear.
I agree with Shrimps on Newt. It's the Cain train all over again.
Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 09:53 AM (MtwBb)
Newt is not more articulate than Romney, he just appeals to a certain type of voter who likes a good zinger. His knowledge of government and history may be greatest amongst them, but that does not equate with intelligence. As for experience, ahem, there's a bit of history there as well.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:53 AM (piMMO)
Keep in mind that their choices have been whittled down to lackluster Santorum or else. I got a feeling that with the weather most will simply stay at home.
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:53 AM (YdQQY)
My exact thoughts. If we're talking electronic ballots here, how hard would it be to delete those no longer in the run? It could confuse a lot of people who don't live and breathe politics.
Posted by: Lady in Black.....{sigh} at January 21, 2012 09:53 AM (F+Xfj)
I do admit I have serious doubts Newt could actually beat Obama, but I have even more serious doubts that Romney would actually govern as a conservative. Plus, given his flagrant flip-flopping and plutocratic demeanor, he is not nearly as electable as some people here believe. His unfavorables are already in the 40s.
Ideally, I want Newt to win in South Carolina, then flame out and have his support go to Santorum, who can confront Romney one on one. But it's a long shot.
Posted by: Chris at January 21, 2012 09:54 AM (XGZYX)
Now that it's down to the remaining four? Yep.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:54 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 21, 2012 09:54 AM (h+mab)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 09:54 AM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 21, 2012 01:51 PM (UTq/I)
Not in the general but the primaries are about the same. Wife just got back and the polls were still empty.
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:54 AM (YdQQY)
Flip-flopping? You mean like Newt and AGW?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 09:54 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 09:54 AM (3VSsp)
Posted by: Mitt "I'm so Lonely" Romulan at January 21, 2012 09:55 AM (OT9g0)
Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 09:55 AM (r2PLg)
8 Well I was clinging to hope that we wouldn't let the MFM eliminate good candidates, but Perry is gone. Can someone give me Romney's short bio or do I have to give wiki the click? I have the feeling he thinks he should be POTUS and has done f*ck all besides prepping for that since the SLC Olympics.
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I think Romney has been prepping for Potus runs his whole life, Palerider .....I think that the Reelect Obama Team thinks this too. This is why they have put out all this class warfare-1%er propaganda.
I have been waiting for Romney to give a cogent explanation as to why he wants to be president. .....So far, I haven't heard one. Just the standard bs.
The basic flaw in Romney's background is the Corporate-Raider-LBO stuff. ....Most guys who have made 100's of millions at this, are content to just buy politicians......not become one, and open up their past to scrutiny. He could not be running at a worst time with a background like that.
Posted by: wheatie at January 21, 2012 09:56 AM (ALwK/)
Posted by: Truman North at January 21, 2012 09:56 AM (I2LwF)
I have been following Newt for sometime. I was appalled at how he slandered Democratic House Speaker Jim Wright years ago. It was dispicable and while there certainly is a lot to give pause as respects Newt's personal past, I would remind everyone here that past mistakes are just that, past and one should look at the present in how the individual has acknowledged their past transgressions.
Many here believe actively or passively in their minds of faith and the concept of redemption as the paramount requirement to their Christian faith. And it should be that way since redemption is the non-denominational doctrine of Christendom.
Given this, why would we apply stronger standards to a presidential candidate over our own belief and understanding as to the main doctrine and metric of Christianity and the path to living eternally with our Creator?
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 09:57 AM (70duB)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 01:54 PM (O3R/2)
We don't consider it stupid. And whats this betrayal of two wives crap? This Marianne gal asked for a divorce, Newt came home to an empty house. This was pre-Callista.
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 09:57 AM (kb15i)
HotAir posted this: ARG Poll says SC GOP women favor Newt over Romney 42% to 26% .
Looks like the "women won't vote for Newt" idea is out the window. And this is in social conservative SC. Go Newt!
Posted by: zDale at January 21, 2012 09:57 AM (TPM/C)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 09:57 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Tim In SC at January 21, 2012 09:57 AM (I5xeh)
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 09:58 AM (3VSsp)
Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 09:59 AM (r2PLg)
Newt has at least had a couple of conservative bones in his little finger.
Other than that, they are about equal.
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 09:59 AM (YdQQY)
#19 That's not a bad idea. Local enthusiasm for popular governors and other officeholders could drag some reluctant voters (and there will be, regardless of who is the nominee) to the polls.
I wonder how long Perry will be waiting for that call from Newt about the Tenth Amendment task force? Probably a loooong time, as Newt will have gone on to other ideas.
This is all good thinking, but, there is no reason Perry needs to wait on Newt. He can take the initiative, start talking to governors, start floating trial balloons on policy directions, get people on board, get that thing going.
It is an awesome idea and I really hope to see him run with it, regardless of who gets the nomination.
Posted by: Entropy at January 21, 2012 09:59 AM (Ci0JG)
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at January 21, 2012 09:59 AM (OT9g0)
Things You Should Know, Which I Shall Tell You
• What's at stake today? 25 delegates, winner-take-all.
• SC was stripped of half its delegates by the national party because it is having its primary before Feb 1st.
• About 500K votes are expected to be cast today
• In 2008, Mitt Romney came in 4th with 15%.
• McCain won with 33%.
Now you're aware. You're welcome.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:00 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 01:51 PM (3VSsp)
Of the people running probably. There are 3 polls out that show Newt upside down in favorability ratings with only 25% veiwing him favorably and over 50% going the other way. Romney and Obama are pretty close and Romney is the only one who is not upside down but that is only in one fo the polls.
Can Newt change that and get people to like him? I don't know, he doesn't seem to have that kind of personality.
He throws red meat to primary voters, the rest of the country not so much.
Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 10:00 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Entropy at January 21, 2012 10:00 AM (Ci0JG)
Newt is a loose cannon adulterer who is hated by much of the public, especially women. And like Romney, he'll say anything to get elected. It just so happens he has been saying the right things lately. Plus he has gotten some conservative things done and is willing to make the argument. But the person and the campaign seem entirely too volatile and unorganized.
Santorum's paternalism and compassionate conservatism schtick is off putting.
Paul is Paul.
At this point I'm hoping for a brokered convention with some governor swooping in to pick up the pieces, but if I have to pick I'll go with Romney, hoping he can eventually grow a pair, with a VP Rubio and conservative Congress to move him in the right direction.
Posted by: Jose at January 21, 2012 10:00 AM (srIqv)
Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 10:00 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:00 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 01:50 PM (niZvt)
Well there are an unbelievable number of divorced couples in this country these days. I find it hard to believe that this just happened in a pristine world where no one ever violated any marriage vows. It is also rather hard to cast stones, when your own hands aren't exactly clean. Bottom line, I don't think even values voters consider divorce the ultimate disqualifier for high office. Maybe once upon a time, when this country wasn't so debauched, this would have been a critical issue. Not saying I approve of divorce, but I think it is a lot lower on the list of critical issues for most people.
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 21, 2012 10:00 AM (i3+c5)
Damn
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 10:01 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: mike at January 21, 2012 10:01 AM (WnI5L)
Posted by: Mel at January 21, 2012 10:01 AM (Sk5kq)
Don't give me that shit. It is not my place to forgive him for his past, but to use it as a guideline as to the character of a man who presumes to lead us all.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 10:01 AM (piMMO)
This use to be a big issue with black voters who would not go out in bad weather, so everyone prayed for rain. Now early voting at the church makes this a non issue.
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at January 21, 2012 10:01 AM (sQ6Yj)
>>BHO is a SCOAMF...Posted by: Bodacious..
Damn straight Skippy Bodacious!
This past week, President Osurper spoke at the EPA, telling the workers there that "our country is stronger because of you." Let's see, 8.5% unemployment (and true unemployment at 15%) - that doesn't seem like a strong country.
In just the past few months, President Obumbles and the EPA have decided that jobs are no longer the number one priority in America (although, for the EPA – jobs were never a concern). That's why many people have begun calling it the Employment Prevention Agency. President Ohomo now believes that getting votes from extreme environmentalists (those who believe we should all be living in the woods) is more important than the 20 million Americans looking for full-time employment.
I WON and the agency have made several decisions that will cost hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of jobs and billions of dollars in economic activity - and make electricity prices rise.
First, SCFOAMT delayed a decision on the Keystone XL pipeline, which would have created thousands of jobs and lowered gas prices - but would have cost the tree-hugger vote. Because of this, President OFUCKYOU delayed one of the most economically beneficial projects in recent memory. These enviro-wackos didn't like the pipeline because they claimed a single aquifer in Nebraska was at risk. What you may not know is that there are numerous other pipelines running through that same aquifer and drinking water has not been affected. The delay was purely political and had nothing to do with the environment.
Second, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar decided that no new uranium mining claims would be approved in the area surrounding the Grand Canyon. Current claims would still be honored, but new claims would be stopped.
Uranium is vital to our national defense. If we don't continue to mine our own, who will we buy it from? Countries that hate us? Even though this mining creates jobs and increases economic activity in the area, and has been taking place for decades without any adverse effects to the landmark - President Bitch decided liberal environmentalist votes were more important.
The EPA has been given free rein to regulate and destroy jobs in this country. Luckily, some conservative Members of Congress are trying to control its job-killing agenda. The Defending America's Affordable Energy and Jobs Act (H.R.750 in the House and S.228 in the Senate) would curtail the EPA's destructive policies. President OFuck-up thinks that our country is better with the EPA? What about the fact that before the EPA existed, states were already steadily improving the quality of the air and water.
And what about the thousands of people who are out of work because of the EPA's damaging regulations? Their recent coal ash regulations (which are supposed to stop global warming ::eyeroll:
have already meant a death sentence for several power plants across the country, which not only hurts the economy but will raise electricity prices dramatically. Amirite Vic?
Due to new federal air pollution regulations, more than 32 power plants across the country will be forced to close their doors. Those plants, which are mostly coal-fired, discharge enough electricity to supply more than 22 million households and their closure will lead to job layoffs, depleted tax revenues, and a considerable hike in electric bills. The areas that will be hit hardest are the Midwest and in the coal belt (Virginia, West Virginia, and Kentucky), where dozens of plants will likely be retired. Like Vic.
Does that sound like a stronger country?
Don't forget that when these plants close, tax revenue will drop dramatically. That's because these power plants not only supply - in some areas - the most jobs, but also pay the most in local taxes. And since Democrats are all about raising taxes, guess who they'll come after to make up for the shortfall?
Hint: it's you.
ABO period.
These aren't even half of what the EPA has been up to during the Obamarama Administration. Remember the offshore drilling moratorium which punished every single driller in the Gulf of Mexico because of the mistake of one? It cost tens of thousands of jobs and millions in economic activity for the area - absolutely decimating the economy of those states.
And what about the new vehicle fuel standards that are supposed to also cut down on greenhouse gas emissions that supposedly cause global warming? These new rules will make cars cost about $5,000 more than they do now, and because they'll need to be smaller and made of lighter material to meet the new standards - they'll be much less safe.
One of the more absurd rules coming out of the EPA is a regulation which controls dust. Yes, dust, like what you find when you drive down a dirt road or don't clean the top of your bookshelf for awhile. The EPA believes it makes the air dirtier and increases global warming - so they want to regulate it. What does it mean? Well it means less economic activity as people try to comply with the new rules. Even worse, it could lessen our food supply because farmers will be the hardest hit.
But remember, as Prezdent I WON said, the EPA is making the country stronger. How much longer will our economy have to suffer because of the EPA's job-killing regulations?
How much longer do we have to live under the thumb of the EPA, who can now destroy your dreams by regulating your property?
How much longer will we have to bleed jobs and prevent more jobs from being created because the EPA doesn't think they're good enough?
Stop this madness!
Posted by: sickinmass at January 21, 2012 10:02 AM (bcNec)
Posted by: Truman North at January 21, 2012 10:02 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Jimbo at January 21, 2012 10:02 AM (O3R/2)
Posted by: mike at January 21, 2012 10:02 AM (WnI5L)
I'm reminded of what Karl Rove said on his strategy to get Bush elected twice:
"You must and I repeat MUST solidify your base in order to win a general. Independents won't matter if you don't do this".
Sorry, Mitt won't do this.
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:03 AM (kb15i)
Both of them are too close to the Original, the one-and-only stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure for comfort.
It's amazing, and something the Republicans do so well: everyone is all high-and-mighty about morals when Herman Cain takes a fall, and judges yet another candidate on his inability to appear smooth and polished in a debate. After that, they'll excuse The Newt for his many failings and support The Mutt, whose positions on important issues are printed on soft rubber so they can be stretched and twisted to suit his current audience.
We can think about all that for the next four years of Osama Obama.
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 21, 2012 10:03 AM (tkd/a)
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:04 AM (3VSsp)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 21, 2012 10:04 AM (Qjh0I)
70 Does South Carolina have a lot of Mormons?
Posted by: wheatie at January 21, 2012 01:42 PM (ALwK/)
There are quite a few all over the South. Keep in mind that the South is probably the most bible belt area outside of Utah there is.
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If you're including Kansas-Oklahoma-Texas in the 'South', then yeah.....I can see that. .....Some people cut off their definition of 'the south' at Arkansas, and consider the states further west to be 'western'.
Posted by: wheatie at January 21, 2012 10:05 AM (ALwK/)
But don't the residents of MA like Romneycare? I mean, so we're for states' rights when those states choose what we want them to choose?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 10:05 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:05 AM (niZvt)
SO delegate count is meaningless in these initial primaries.
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 10:06 AM (YdQQY)
Newt will be asked about Clinton and his affairs and why he impeached Clinton for the affairs - Newt will have a major smackdown on the TRUTH>> Clinton was impeached for Perjury and Obstruction not sex.
Posted by: catman at January 21, 2012 10:06 AM (NYdB8)
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:07 AM (kb15i)
South Carolina forecast: Gingrich 38.7 (87% to win), Romney 29.3, Paul 15.6, Santorum 13.9. nyti.ms/uMJIwU
Here's the change in our forecast since Monday night: Gingrich +15.7, Santorum +0.4, Paul -0.5, Romney -5.8, Perry -9.3 (out)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 21, 2012 10:07 AM (d6QMz)
Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 10:07 AM (r2PLg)
In law, we have the doctrine of unclean hands - allowing one being accused of malfeasance to make an affirmative defense against the accuser of similar malfeasance.
So consider this when analyzing whether Newt can beat Obama --- when the incongruency of Obama's corrupt administration, Fast & Furious, Obamacare (which was negotiated behind closed doors by the democrats, involving graft, midnight votes and misleading data submissions and outright lies, couple this with the political graft associated with the Stimulus and Solyndra, et al).
Oh, yes, my friends, if Newt is the nominee, we going to be making a striking affirmative defense to the smut, the democrats will loft.
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:07 AM (70duB)
For South I would say that includes Southern States all the way out to TX. Further than TX then I would call it West.
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 10:08 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: f2000 at January 21, 2012 10:08 AM (FcMtg)
this is getting confusing!
SC is not winner-take-all. But...
"South CarolinaÂ’s delegates may end up being allocated to more than one candidate, but it wonÂ’t be according to proportional representation. According to South CarolinaÂ’s Republican Party rules, the state party will award its 11 at-large delegates to the winner of the statewide primary vote and will award two delegates on a winner-take-all basis to the winner of each of the seven congressional districts.
In winning statewide, a candidate likely will, although not necessarily, carry most of the stateÂ’s congressional districts. That means that the winner will likely earn at least 19 of the stateÂ’s 25 delegates (11 state-wide, plus eight for carrying four districts). The winning candidate could end up with a plurality of the vote in each congressional district and earn all 25 delegates, even with far less than 50% of the vote.
South Carolina effectively would become a winner-take-all state if one candidate were to sweep the statewide primary and the congressional districts, as well."
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:09 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 02:05 PM (piMMO)
The point being that the biggest weapon we had against O is now gone. Mitt cannot argue against socialized medicine. He implemented it.
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:09 AM (kb15i)
148: My metaphor for the GOP race two months ago: It's 10 on Saturday night at the bar. This cowboy is lonely and frustrated. There are several decent looking ladies in here tonight but none of them ring the bells for him. Wait a minute- look who just walked in the door. I need to talk to her.
(Ten minutes later).
Well, THAT didn't go well.
Like you said, it's gettitng late and most of the other hot chicks have left.....
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at January 21, 2012 10:09 AM (OT9g0)
I want to see Newt knock Barky's dick in the dirt.
Mittens will coddle the bastard.
Newt will eviscerate his phony, lying ass.
Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2012 10:10 AM (EoCUg)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:10 AM (niZvt)
Who wants to sit down and have a beer with either Bambi or Mittsy? Santorum or Crazy Uncle for that matter. The likable ones: Cain and Perry - are long gone.
Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at January 21, 2012 10:10 AM (tAwhy)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 02:05 PM (piMMO)
We seem to be only for states rights and capitalism if it doesn't have the name Romney attached to it. If it does we are all the 99%!
Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 10:11 AM (MtwBb)
Romney will solidfy the base when the alternate choice is Obama.
As to RomneyCare, it wasn't passed in MA through trickery. While the individual mandate is awful, Romney didn't use trickery to pass it. That is a huge distinction.
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:11 AM (70duB)
Posted by: zDale at January 21, 2012 10:11 AM (TPM/C)
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 21, 2012 10:11 AM (h+mab)
In law, we have the doctrine of unclean hands - allowing one being accused of malfeasance to make an affirmative defense against the accuser of similar malfeasance.
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 02:07 PM (70duB)
Exactly why Mitt can't go after Obama on Obamacare. Thanks for that.
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:11 AM (kb15i)
Posted by: James at January 21, 2012 10:12 AM (IoTd/)
Those rules should have been superseded by the Party rules agreed to just before the primary races got off to the start. If they start screwing around with the delegates the national Party will strip even more at the convention.
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 10:12 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:12 AM (niZvt)
Romney will solidfy the base when the alternate choice is Obama.
As to RomneyCare, it wasn't passed in MA through trickery. While the individual mandate is awful, Romney didn't use trickery to pass it. That is a huge distinction.
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 02:11 PM (70duB)
Hahahahahaha.
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:13 AM (kb15i)
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 02:07 PM (70duB)
or This., if you want the unabridged version.
Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2012 10:13 AM (EoCUg)
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at January 21, 2012 10:13 AM (sQ6Yj)
Tendstl - he can by exlplainging it was analyzed and promulgated in MA (albeit a horrible, horrible statute) through good-faith and fair dealing. Obamacare was not analyzed through good-faith and fair dealing. It was forced upon the electorate.
You must understand this distinction. It is not nuance, it is factual and should be underscored.
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:14 AM (70duB)
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 10:15 AM (YdQQY)
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Newt's bigger problem will be squaring the circle on is recent attacks on Mitt's Bain stuff.
I mean, I can make it make sense, but Newt is going to have a harder time with it because I don't think the truth would be a problem too. Maybe not as big a problem as having so-called conservatives thinking it's evil to have a Republican say anything negative about Mitt's supposed "success" at Bain because that's an attack on CAPITALISM, APPLE PIE, MOMS AND ALL THAT IS GOOD AND HOLY!
Or something like that. Still, just because voters are silly and emotional, you still have to woo them.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:15 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:15 AM (3VSsp)
Posted by: anthony at January 21, 2012 10:15 AM (VUvXQ)
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 02:14 PM (70duB)
You and I can understand the distinction, the American people are not policy wonks. They will see him as a hypocrite for going after Obama on Obamacare when he himself has implemented it.
What will make it worse is Mitt won't go after Obama on it because Mitt refuses to say it was a bad idea.
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:16 AM (kb15i)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 21, 2012 10:16 AM (X3vSL)
Gingrich the filthy traitor appears poised to take the state, apparently too many conservatives have short memories. He has the worst negative rating of anyone over more than a decade. He can never win a general election.
But some people are so stupid they rush to the red meat tossed into their cages, and put aside any sense they may have had.
Posted by: Adjoran at January 21, 2012 10:17 AM (VfmLu)
177 Everybody keeps complaining that Newt is not "likable". Sorry - I don't see that as an issue in this campaign.
Who wants to sit down and have a beer with either Bambi or Mittsy? Santorum or Crazy Uncle for that matter. The likable ones: Cain and Perry - are long gone.
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My sentiments as well. .....Perry was my guy. He has a great record, and is very likable. .....But in these early primary states...you know, the ones that matter so much more than the rest of us......there just wasn't the support for Perry.
So now we're supposed to be concerned with 'likable'? .....Too late. None of the remaining candidates are likable.
Posted by: wheatie at January 21, 2012 10:17 AM (ALwK/)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:17 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at January 21, 2012 02:15 PM (qjUnn)
That's another Job Saved or Created!
Posted by: Barack's Summer of Recovery at January 21, 2012 10:17 AM (EoCUg)
Posted by: catman at January 21, 2012 10:18 AM (YKUmW)
AS IF Obamacare is the only damned arrow in the quiver?!!!!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 10:18 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: zDale at January 21, 2012 10:18 AM (TPM/C)
Posted by: Will Folks at January 21, 2012 10:19 AM (sQ6Yj)
I'm surprised by the number of people here and on other conservative blogs/twitter/etc that that just gloss over the fact that people have a visceral reaction to him -- and none of it is good.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 10:19 AM (7IpLl)
You too?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 10:20 AM (piMMO)
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Let me get this straight... if Mitt put on the skirt and started waving the pom poms around saying "hooray for socialized medicine," whereas Barack forced it on us like a thief (a thief who had the majority of both houses, btw, just like Mitt) in the night, America will be ok with the buggery that is socialized medicine?
Good to know there's a difference.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:20 AM (TOk1P)
70 Does South Carolina have a lot of Mormons?
Posted by: wheatie at January 21, 2012 01:42 PM (ALwK/)NO
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at January 21, 2012 10:20 AM (sQ6Yj)
Posted by: catman at January 21, 2012 10:20 AM (YKUmW)
oooh, almost forgot!
All that shitty Obamacare is about to take effect soon.
Catholics, this is what you get for voting for Obama.
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration said yesterday that most health insurance plans must cover contraceptives for women free of charge, and it rejected a broad exemption sought by the Roman Catholic Church for insurance provided to employees of Catholic hospitals, colleges, and charities.
Most employers and insurers must comply by Aug. 1, but church-affiliated organizations will get one additional year — until Aug. 1, 2013 — to comply with the requirement.
Leaders of the Catholic Church had appealed to President Obama to grant the broad exemption. He made the final decision after hearing from them, as well as from family planning advocates, scientific specialists, and members of Congress, administration officials said.
The rule takes a big step to remove cost as a barrier to birth control, a longtime goal of advocates for womenÂ’s rights and specialists on womenÂ’s health.
Catholic bishops issued a statement saying they would fight the issue.
‘‘In effect, the president is saying we have a year to figure out how to violate our consciences,’’ said Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan of New York, president of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops.
Cardinal Sean P. O’Malley of the Archdiocese of Boston spoke out against the announcement on his blog last night and expressed his ‘‘deep disappointment at this unprecedented infringement on religious liberty in our country.’’
‘‘Catholic health plans do not allow for any of those services the Obama administration is trying to force us to do,’’ said Terrence Donilon, a spokesman for the Boston Archdiocese. ‘‘Our employees know that when they come to work here.’’
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:21 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Palerider at January 21, 2012 10:21 AM (cQZV0)
Romney has stated over and over that he would repeal ObamaCare. He may not need to if the courts take care of it. Newt it not electable in the general. Yes yes - he's more conservative than Romney. Doesn't matter. Old fat white guy vs. cute young black man with media at his back. Do the math. No wonder the dem media want Newt to win SC.
Posted by: juji fruit at January 21, 2012 10:22 AM (O7ksG)
Obamacare was just the beginning. It opens the door to force churches to do anything and everything.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:22 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 10:22 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 02:12 PM (niZvt)
But that's never how Romney defends it. Its never "I was in a very liberal state doing everything I could to push a conservative solution, and there was a veto proof majority so I took what I could get and it still ended up being a pile of shit"
Instead its the doubling down, its "there are some good things and some bad things" but never really specifying what is good or bad, and there is the "everyone in Massachusetts just loves it."
Posted by: buzzion at January 21, 2012 10:22 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: Bluto at January 21, 2012 10:22 AM (uSdMw)
The republicans are in the crucible right now. This process is to our benefit. The A game starts at final pick.
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:23 AM (70duB)
...just like repealing DADT was just the beginning...
next is the allowance of trannies to serve openly
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:23 AM (sqkOB)
Obama and Pelosi abused the Constitutional process to push O-Care on a nation, Romney used the Constitutional process to ameliorate the damage to a State. These are not the same things.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 21, 2012 10:23 AM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: anthony at January 21, 2012 02:15 PM (VUvXQ)
What the fuck? Conservatives ignoring Newt's adulterous past has nothing to do with God, it has everything to do with our cultures rot. It may be a personal choice to go with Newt feeling he may be a better President, but that's only because society has degraded to a point where it's become relevant. What's God's role in that?
Posted by: lowandslow at January 21, 2012 10:23 AM (GZitp)
Posted by: cvb at January 21, 2012 10:24 AM (HRFxR)
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:25 AM (3VSsp)
Soothsayer,
Good post.
This is a core issue of the Catholic Church as enunciated through Pope Paul VI's encyclical, humane vitae.
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:25 AM (70duB)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:25 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 21, 2012 10:25 AM (Qjh0I)
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Sorta like when a new male lion takes on the old male lion. If he kills the old guy, or chases him off, he goes to all the female lions and says "I'm not going to keep the old lions cubs around. I'm going to repeal them. Honest!"
You know what he does after he's done repealing the old lion's offpring? Makes his own, that's what.
Yes, Mitt wants to repeal Obamacare. I believe him when he says that. I really really do.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:26 AM (TOk1P)
Did you see this part?
"Most employers and insurers must comply by Aug. 1, but church-affiliated organizations will get one additional year — until Aug. 1, 2013 — to comply with the requirement."
How nice of Obama! And how insidiously clever.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:27 AM (sqkOB)
Maybe some of these bible-thumpers should go start their own party. Like the "Hand of God" party. Oh wait, the muslims already have that one.
Posted by: zDale at January 21, 2012 10:27 AM (TPM/C)
Posted by: Ma Bell at January 21, 2012 10:28 AM (uVuwp)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:28 AM (niZvt)
Short memories here. Newt just last year on MTP said he was in favor of a health care mandate. Newts Mandate would be that you would be forced to buy either insurance or a payment bond. Payment bonds in that amount are impossible to get unless you have the assetts to back up the bond.
If a payment bond is enforced the bond company will make you pay for whatever they spent on your behalf. In other words unlike insurance companies bond companies will come take your stuff to satisfy your bills that they paid.
Some convenient memory loss going on around here.
Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 10:28 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 21, 2012 10:29 AM (X3vSL)
Room 251 at the Mariott, Mitt...I've got my leather ready!
Posted by: Jen Rubin at January 21, 2012 10:29 AM (yv2EI)
Yes, Mitt wants to repeal Obamacare. I believe him when he says that. I really really do.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 02:26 PM (TOk1P)
If he gets ObamaCare repealed, it will be because he has a Republican Congress. If he's got a Republican Congress - he won't get RomneyCare to replace it.
Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at January 21, 2012 10:30 AM (tAwhy)
Posted by: Donna V. at January 21, 2012 10:30 AM (lZSTy)
224 -
Catholic Church. Repentance/forgiveness and all that. Catholics believe sinners are forgiven when they confess and repent. You may not believe it, but they do. They also believe it's God's role to judge, not yours and mine.
So yeah, if you are Catholic, the stuff you did in the past is not supposed to be held against you, as long as you ask for forgiveness.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:31 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 21, 2012 10:31 AM (Y5I9o)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:31 AM (niZvt)
Soothsayer,
Obama is pathetic.
And for those who are fretting over Romney's RomneyCare, I don't recall Romneycare forcing contraception, making it illegal for doctors to own hospitals nor the entire take over of the Student Loan industry or new strictures on holding gold.
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:32 AM (70duB)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:32 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 21, 2012 10:32 AM (h+mab)
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:33 AM (3VSsp)
heh, j, I live in MA and no one on this blog is more conservative than I ---
I give little shit about Romneycare, quite frankly.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:33 AM (sqkOB)
238 -
You have more confidence in the Republican Congress than I do. It's generally very hard for Congress to stand up and say no to a President of their own party. Politics tends to trump ideology. Especially if Mitt feels he has a mandate.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:33 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:34 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: juji fruit at January 21, 2012 10:34 AM (O7ksG)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:36 AM (niZvt)
CoolCzech,
Obamacare is filled with such goodies as I pointed out. RomneyCare, while inconstitute, doesn't have the layers of tyranny begotten through tyranny.
This is a central point that is not nuance.
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:36 AM (70duB)
Mitt has a tougher task ahead. He signed into law something that led to the ObamaCare nightmare. The very least Mitt can do now is say "I fucked up."
He can't and won't. He likes RomneyCare. Do we want a GOP President that will have to be forced to repeal ObamaCare?
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 02:33 PM (3VSsp)
Well he hasn't backed off on that but it's nice to know that whatever Newt says while running for president can just be catagorized as "muzings" and that we shouldn't take him seriously. Why? Because he isn't Mitt!
Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 10:36 AM (MtwBb)
241 -
That's a good point. I like Romney too, he seems to be a really nice guy. Somebody somewhere said something about nice guys and where they tend to finish... I think it was Tom Jefferson, in his famous book called... heck, you know that book.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:36 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 02:31 PM (niZvt)
Considering unemp. among that group is less than 5% I doubt thats who he was talking about, and you know it. 99 weeks of unemp. is an associates degree, or computer training for those that don't have any.
Come on, get serious bro. How many people would take that job they could if the alternative was to go back to school? I would say a lot.
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:37 AM (kb15i)
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 21, 2012 10:37 AM (h+mab)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:38 AM (niZvt)
255 -
So if Newt gets elected President, you're afraid he'll... what, cheat on American with another country and then marry that other country?
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:38 AM (TOk1P)
CoolCzech,
Let's not enter strawmen.
Would you want to be piloted by a blind man? Probably not, however, that's not really what we are talking about eh?
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:38 AM (70duB)
238 -
You have more confidence in the Republican Congress than I do. It's generally very hard for Congress to stand up and say no to a President of their own party. Politics tends to trump ideology. Especially if Mitt feels he has a mandate.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 02:33 PM (TOk1P)
Not so much confidence in a Republican Congress - just don't think they'll pass much of anything having to do with health care. Not enough Republicans really like the idea of a national solution to the problem - and those that do, won't be able to agree on what it is.
Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at January 21, 2012 10:39 AM (tAwhy)
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:39 AM (3VSsp)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 10:40 AM (7IpLl)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:40 AM (niZvt)
Well he hasn't backed off on that but it's nice to know that whatever Newt says while running for president can just be catagorized as "muzings" and that we shouldn't take him seriously. Why? Because he isn't Mitt!
Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 02:36 PM (MtwBb)
And its nice that whenever Mitt was running for office in Mass when he said he was Pro choice, pro healthcare for all higher taxes etc etc etc its catagorized as "muzings" and that we shouldnt take him seriously! Why? Because he isn't NOOT! W00t!
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:40 AM (kb15i)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 21, 2012 10:41 AM (X3vSL)
Posted by: soothsayer
His excuse is even more galling.
"Sebelius said the decision [to delay enforcement] “strikes the appropriate balance between respecting religious freedom and increasing access to important preventive services.”"
You get that? I don't. 'Hey guys, relax. You have a year before we come after you, so your beliefs are safe'
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 21, 2012 10:41 AM (cswrb)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 21, 2012 10:42 AM (uIz80)
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 02:33 PM (3VSsp)
Eman, presidents can't repeal shit. They can either sign a bill repealing it or not sign it. Congress would have to repeal it and yes I beleive Romney would sign that bill.
Unless we take over the Senate with at least 60 votes their will be no bill though unless we can convince some democrats to vote our way and then ONE person in the senate could block it.
Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 10:42 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:42 AM (3VSsp)
264 -
That's the hope. I'd be more concerned about the first hurdle though, which is repeal. It's likely the repeal process, if it goes forward, would not be tossing the entire lot, but having to go piece by piece. If so, and assuming Rs are strong enough to get some of that done, I don't think a President Romney would allow ALL of it to get done unless he was sure he could replace it with his new and improved version.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:43 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:43 AM (niZvt)
Twitter is alive. 305 new tweets on the incoming feed.
Oh, and that reminds me. We are just getting started on Twitter through my friend Brice Buckley. The handle is @bricebuckley.
Posted by: journolist at January 21, 2012 10:43 AM (70duB)
Noot may pull a win out of SC...Moreover, he may well be the nominee which should please the large percentage of Republicans looking for ABR...And yet, I don't see him pulling female voters or independants away from Hussein. Many of those fooled by Obama are looking for an alternative. A fat old gas-bag on his third and finally trophy wife is not going to impress them. Win the battle lose the war...Kinda like SC voting to secede and then losing the war.
Posted by: Don't hate the playa hate the game at January 21, 2012 10:43 AM (XWsqV)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 02:40 PM (niZvt)
If those training programs eliminate BILLIONS from the Federal Budget and get people back to work then yes! One last thing, there are a MILLION jobs out there that require a little technical know how. I have been looking for a new job for months and number of jobs is astounding. I am currently training for a certification in A+ then move on to my CCNA in order to get one of these.
Article after article from companies saying they can't fill jobs because people just aren't qualified, period. If you are trained in HVAC/heating/welding etc you can write your own ticked.
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:44 AM (kb15i)
I've been thinking about my gut feeling about Newt is that he sucks. Newt has an impressive conservative record, yet I think he's a shitbum. Why?
Well, I figured out why. Here's why:
Newt is a lot like the NRA. Both of them walk the walk with gun rights and conservatism and the Constitution, but at the end of the day they both serve up a shit sandwich they made with a little help from the Democrats.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:44 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 02:40 PM (7IpLl)
Space Mirrors! He says they are to light the freeways and reduce our carbon footprint but I beleive he wants them so he can look at himself.
Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 10:45 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: phil at January 21, 2012 10:45 AM (QzdcC)
You get that? I don't. 'Hey guys, relax. You have a year before we come after you, so your beliefs are safe'
...for another year...after the election. Heh.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:46 AM (sqkOB)
Unless we take over the Senate with at least 60 votes their will be no bill though unless we can convince some democrats to vote our way and then ONE person in the senate could block it.
Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 02:42 PM (MtwBb)
Yes and No, groundgame is already set that will repeal Obamacare through reconciliation, just like it was implemented. So all we need is 51.
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:46 AM (kb15i)
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:46 AM (3VSsp)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:46 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: juji fruit at January 21, 2012 10:47 AM (O7ksG)
Posted by: AD at January 21, 2012 10:47 AM (OBVn4)
Newt's bigger problem will be squaring the circle on is recent attacks on Mitt's Bain stuff.
I doubt it. Lots of moderate Republicans don't equate Bain with capitalism. Instead, they think of the guy who started his own print shop or garage. My local Republican talk radio host hates Walmart as much as any lefty. Newt's attacks on Bain will only resonate with a few on the hard right.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 21, 2012 10:48 AM (7+pP9)
That's...umm....troubling.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 10:48 AM (7IpLl)
Posted by: Barney Frank at January 21, 2012 10:48 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 21, 2012 10:48 AM (X3vSL)
Posted by: tonynoboloney at January 21, 2012 01:50 PM (pcYdg)
I'm sorry, I really would prefer Newt but this is wishcasting. The MSM will make Newt's personal life issue #1 and the economy will be totally ignored. Newt cannot win, and defeating Bambi is the one and only job this time. We may not survive another 4 years of the crypto-muslim crypto-communist.
Posted by: Antonio Gramsci at January 21, 2012 10:49 AM (+MbqG)
Posted by: phil at January 21, 2012 02:45 PM (QzdcC)
If it gets people back to work and expanding the tax base, deal. And like I said above, how many are on unemployment because they won't take that entry level position they were offered? They are making more on unemployment then that job would offer. Take the job or go back to school, I think many will say they hell with it and take the job.
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:49 AM (kb15i)
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:49 AM (3VSsp)
279 -
Ds tend to get 55-60% of the female vote anyway. Rs don't win on the female vote.
I know there are conservative women who don't like Newt. However, I haven't yet met one who likes Barack, so I think they will do with Newt what some of us will do with Mitt, if we have to... namely, put the clampdown on our noses and go vote for the guy.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:49 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 10:50 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:50 AM (niZvt)
It's a sad state when some of you are rushing over to Legal Insurrection for material to support your case.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:51 AM (sqkOB)
292 -
No, not at all. I like Mitt, he's nice. As President though, if I have to choose between him and Newt, I'll take Newt. I didn't want to have to take Newt either, but that wasn't up to me, obviously.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 10:51 AM (TOk1P)
If it gets people back to work and expanding the tax base, deal. And like I said above, how many are on unemployment because they won't take that entry level position they were offered? They are making more on unemployment then that job would offer. Take the job or go back to school, I think many will say they hell with it and take the job.
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 02:49 PM (kb15i)
I have to ask, have you ever seen one federal job training program that has produced jobs? We have had hundreds of them and spent billions on them. None of them have worked that I am aware of. They have all ended in bigger government and more waste.
Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 10:52 AM (MtwBb)
That's...umm....troubling.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 02:48 PM (7IpLl)
No, I know every Newt supporter I know would crawl to vote for Mitt, what we hate are his supporters that say shit like this. You sound like Obama supporters when they said that a vote for McCain was racism. You can't rationalize his stances, his statements, his aloofness his defense of Romneycare so it comes down to:
HATE
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:52 AM (kb15i)
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 21, 2012 10:53 AM (h+mab)
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:53 AM (3VSsp)
It's a sad state when some of you are rushing over to Legal Insurrection for material to support your case.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 02:51 PM (sqkOB)
Heh? What's wrong with Legal Insurrection? Insty quotes and links him all the time.
Posted by: joncelli at January 21, 2012 10:54 AM (+MbqG)
I am in MI and have a business associate in NYC that is a gay man who, in the past, has appeared to be uber liberal. Thankfully, we don't talk about those things that much. However, yesterday we spoke at length about politics, much to my shock.
He is paying VERY close attention to the republican primaries, which shocks me, since he should be completely in the tank for Obama. Yet, he's watching, which makes no sense at all. He sees it as political theater, which it is, but logically, this should not interest him.
Well, it turns out he despises Romney. With a freaking passion. Why? He reminds him of every swarmy "consultant" that has come in to "fix" the various businesses he's been involved in. Sees him as a sleazy slick used car salesman- my words, not his.
Also, anecdotally, I have heard that gays are supposed to like Romney. This one does not.
I am very cautiously optimistic about this. This is a guy that should NOT be looking at Republicans at all, and the fact that he does not liek Romney says something good to me about the state of the world.
I think.
Posted by: shibumi at January 21, 2012 10:54 AM (z63Tr)
Yes, the catholics are really getting bad with their social justice preaching from the pulpit. It was always bad. It's getting a lot worse.
Especially the blatant support for illegals.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 10:54 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 10:55 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 10:55 AM (r2PLg)
(Waving hand) Catholic here.
Didn't vote for Teh Won.
/not all of us are stupid.
Posted by: shibumi at January 21, 2012 10:55 AM (z63Tr)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 21, 2012 02:50 PM (niZvt)
He needs to appeal to the base first.
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:55 AM (kb15i)
Posted by: phil at January 21, 2012 10:56 AM (QzdcC)
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 10:57 AM (3VSsp)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 21, 2012 10:58 AM (X3vSL)
Heh? What's wrong with Legal Insurrection? Insty quotes and links him all the time.
Posted by: joncelli at January 21, 2012 02:54 PM (+MbqG)
Exactly, its a well respected site. A professor at Cornell U, a conservative in the lions den. If you don't respect that site and the accuracy of the professor you need to rethink your conservatism.
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 10:58 AM (kb15i)
I take out my strong dislike for both of these candidates. I see an Obama/Romney match-up and I think we have a chance. Romney, as despicable as he may be to us, still looks appealing to fence-sitters. He looks the part of a businessman. And most of all, he looks competent. Which I think Americans seem to be craving right now -- competent and steady. Not sexy but there it is in distressed economic times.
And then I consider a Obama/Newt match-up and I just want to cry at the prospect. I cannot see what he offers to independents or fence-sitters in purple/swing states. In fact, I don't see one thing he brings to the table. He'll be vilified as the culprit who 'shut down the federal government in 1995!!1!! and he'll do it again. None of you seniors will get your social security checks -- ever again!!!ZOMGELEVENTY! May the power of Christ compel you fatbastard eeeeeeeeevil devil white male!'
Outside of the red meat he's currently throwing to conservatives, what the hell does he possibly have to offer to apolitical types?
It seems so obvious to me and I wonder why others can't see it. That's why I say the takeaway is the blind rage of Romney.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 10:59 AM (7IpLl)
Any candidate that promises to repeal Obamacare is a liar. We will not have a 60 vote Senate.
All the choices we have now are shit.
Since this will not be a 'cheese sandwich" election Obama is likely to beat any of these candidates. The MFM will relentlessly attack any of them and they will lie about all of them.
We have lost already and you can blame the "old rules". So what is left?
Take your Doctor's advice. And Doctors recommend that you drink as much as possible and have confidence in the system. Confidence in the system will keep them in power longer longer longer and help obscure the depression caused by miserable candidates. So have some today.
A fast acting message from your sponsors at the Republican party non-establishment headquarters.
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 11:00 AM (YdQQY)
I hope that the citizens of the Great State of SC see the bad weather as an opportunity to make a statement about how important the process is to them individually and collectively. A tad of shared physical suffering, even a little stroll through some bad weather together, might make everyone there stand a little taller in the morning. A record turnout, given the inclement weather, would really send a message to the puss left, not to mention to the citizens of later-on primary states. Come on, SC, get out there and participate!
Posted by: And Irresolute at January 21, 2012 11:00 AM (vewos)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 21, 2012 11:00 AM (7hPe9)
It's just a football game to some of you. You latch on to your favorite team and root root root!
That's not how politics works.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 11:01 AM (sqkOB)
Fuck the Mormons too.
There I said it. Group hug now?
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Says We Are All Truly Boned at January 21, 2012 11:02 AM (TCyyS)
Romney, as despicable as he may be...
holy shit, why can't you Romneybots quit it with the lavish praise for this guy?!?!
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 11:02 AM (sqkOB)
Newt is getting a lot of "protest support".
You know, people don't like to be forced into doing something. .....I think that Romney supporters, who are wondering why people are backing Newt, are overlooking this basic aspect of human nature.
For months we've been told that Romney is the "inevitable" one.....that he will be the nominee. .....Then, there is that crap in VA, that keeps the other not-Romneys off the ballot, which smacks of election tampering in favor of Romney.
Many of us out here in Middle Earth don't get to participate in this early voting that gets to 'weed out' some of the candidates. .....So it all adds up to the impression that the Repub-Royalty gets to decide who we will vote for, and the rest of us are supposed to stfu and vote and send our taxes to DC like good little boys and girls.....and not mind that we are being screwed.
We had a thing go on back in the late 18th century......where the people rose up against the Royalty telling them what to do. .....Something about 'no taxation without representation'. .....The euro-royals said that it would never work, that peons could not self-govern. And now we've got that same thing happening to us again, with the way that our election process has been so corrupted.
So a lot of folks are as pissed off now at the R-Royalty as they were with the ruling class of royals, 250 years ago.
Posted by: wheatie at January 21, 2012 11:02 AM (ALwK/)
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 01:37 PM (kb15i)"
No kidding. Sheesh. These guys do Mitt no favors. We don't give a crap that he's a Mormon. If that's what you think it's about, I guess you never heard of "strong gun control", Romneycare, or MA's pathetic performance on debt, jobs, and limited government on Romney's watch... let alone even trying to take the fight to the left rather than collaborating with them.
Newt is the best candidate remaining. Easily. Mitt is terrible in debates with his thin skin and need for defense from fans like Meghan Mccain and Donald Frum... and even Anderson Cooper! He's provably dishonest about his ideology. His only advantage today is connections and money, used to trash other candidates with 75:1 ad spending (such as in Iowa where he LOST anyway). Obama will not have any disadvantage there.
Posted by: Dustin at January 21, 2012 11:03 AM (8RL8E)
LOL;
In 1793 King Louis XVI was shortened for treason. What was his treason? Due to widespread famine caused by the mini-ice age the peasants were hungry. I guess cutting the heads off of the aristocracy in France made crops grow better. Politicians should remember this lesson.
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 11:03 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: phil at January 21, 2012 11:03 AM (QzdcC)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 02:59 PM (7IpLl)
Sometimes things that are obvious to you aren't so. With my degree and experience Its obvious to me I should have employers blowing my phone up, for some reason its not happening.
Personally, I remember Reagan (Hate to use his name cuz its cliched) extorting the virtues of conservatism. Newt, for me, does that. Mitt can't or won't. One of the two, and its troubling. If he could and did it with fucking passion he would be my man, its not hate.
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 11:04 AM (kb15i)
Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 11:04 AM (r2PLg)
Root root root! If my Jets can't win, I'll latch onto the Ravens.
And I hope Ray Lewis breaks Tom Brady's legs and end his career, wooohaaaaa!
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2012 11:05 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: artemis at January 21, 2012 11:05 AM (EL9AK)
@Vic
As I said earlier, some have already touted that they would pursue reconciliation to remove Obamacare, hence 51 votes. Not sure if its true but there it is.
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 11:06 AM (kb15i)
Posted by: eman at January 21, 2012 11:07 AM (3VSsp)
Yes with GOD.
I am fairly certain I am not God.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 11:07 AM (piMMO)
No kidding. Sheesh. These guys do Mitt no favors. We don't give a crap that he's a Mormon.
Heh, comment 324 was bad timing for you wasn't it?
Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 11:07 AM (MtwBb)
We will see. I will vote for Newt if he is the nominee. Just remember my dark warning of today.
Posted by: Miss Marple at January 21, 2012 01:35 PM (GoIUi)
That's putting it mildly.
Santorum and Paul have performed better than Gingrich in several swing states. Still, electability now doesn't mean electability in November. For the very Goldwateresque scenario we might get with Gingrich, there is a McCainian scenario with Romney that is still possible (though I think it's less likely). A loss is a loss whether its by 100 electoral votes or 2.
I would love to watch the results today, but I have to go get 2 of my wisdom teeth (which I didn't even know I had) pulled today.
I think the pulling will be more enjoyable. At least I get drugs.
Posted by: CAC at January 21, 2012 11:07 AM (oIKUW)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 21, 2012 11:07 AM (hiMsy)
Posted by: phil at January 21, 2012 11:07 AM (QzdcC)
RE: Dems voting for Newt - that maybe something that is actually happening. This is an open primary and at least in the city of Columbia, there is a real effort to do exactly that. Now is that happening in other parts of the state? Got me, but rumor has it that in the larger cities like Charleston, Myrtle Beach, etc., Dems are voting - maybe not in huge numbers, but enough.
Posted by: Teafran at January 21, 2012 11:08 AM (U5IXl)
Things like, "Vote for the conservative businessman with the talent and courage to save America's economy from becoming Europe's economy."
Stupid ridiculous bullshit like that.
If they were more like "Vote for the guy who has the best chance of winning and who won't likely veto everything a conservative Congress passes" like some supporters are here, then I'd be less inclined to piss on a Romney sign.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Says We Are All Truly Boned at January 21, 2012 11:08 AM (TCyyS)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at January 21, 2012 11:09 AM (ijjAe)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 21, 2012 11:09 AM (X3vSL)
Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 11:10 AM (r2PLg)
Obama will eat Mitt "vulture capitalism/Romneycare" Romney alive.
Nominating Mitt is nominating fail.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 21, 2012 11:11 AM (7+pP9)
@toddstarnes Team Romney delivers cake to Newt - marking 15th anniversary he became first Speaker reprimanded for ethics violation #lowclass
Keep it classy Mitt
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 11:11 AM (kb15i)
Just to be clear, the only thing I was saying was 'obvious' (to me) was how each of these two would play out in a general election.
I strongly dislike both candidates. The only thing I am evaluating at this point is how they will look to voters in the general. That's it. Nothing else. I seriously don't care how the fuck they will govern as they both equally suck in my book. The difference too is that it's a moot point to even have the discussion on Newt because he doesn't have the appeal or temperament to attract non-conservative voters.
Does anyone honestly think he can run an organized campaign while simultaneously being disciplined enough to not self-implode every third day? If so, I need to get in your head because if he's our nominee I think the GOP and our country is fucked six ways to Sunday.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 11:13 AM (7IpLl)
Posted by: Paul at January 21, 2012 11:14 AM (DsHk0)
Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 11:14 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 03:13 PM (7IpLl)
Of course he can, look what a good job he did of getting on the ballot of his HOME state of Virginia. Newt is all about being organized.
Posted by: robtr at January 21, 2012 11:15 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: tasker at January 21, 2012 11:16 AM (r2PLg)
I giggled.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 11:17 AM (piMMO)
Now, now - just a few snot-bubbling sacks will be enough.
Posted by: DaveA at January 21, 2012 11:17 AM (XFxB5)
also, much angst on this site, there is. Relax, and accept The Romney
Posted by: Major Major Major Major at January 21, 2012 11:17 AM (UqKQV)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 21, 2012 11:18 AM (7hPe9)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 03:13 PM (7IpLl)
Your fear is the same as mine. But the difference is I will take the risk with Newt fighting for conservatism and convincing the electorate that Obama and his policies are for shit. Whereas Mitt will be like McCain and just be Mr. Nice Guy. Remember "You have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency, my friends."
I mean I was waiting for takeout at a restaurant last night and they had Rachel Maddow on, and they were playing clips of Romneys interview with Laura Ingram where Romney said, Im paraphrasing "The economy has turned around and is getting better".
Really? is that how you fight? They had that on a loop on MSNBC.
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 11:19 AM (kb15i)
It's wrong no matter who does it. I can't stand the turd polishing.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Says We Are All Truly Boned at January 21, 2012 11:19 AM (TCyyS)
But as it stands from the last election, I'm not willing to take that risk.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 21, 2012 11:20 AM (7IpLl)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at January 21, 2012 11:21 AM (JKNDp)
My big problem with Newt is that after the spanking he got in the House he's changed from a conservative ideologue to a pragmatic, lying sack o' sh*t.
The good news: as someone else said in the previous thread, as president we could expect about two years of conservatism from Newt before he went Romney.
The bad news: Romney would be Romney from day one.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 21, 2012 11:21 AM (7+pP9)
I also see that Richard Land said they went for Santorum at their meeting.
So now I am wondering where this is coming from and who is sending these tweets, most of which people I have now unfollowed. Hmmm.
Posted by: Miss Marple at January 21, 2012 11:22 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: The establishment at January 21, 2012 11:24 AM (nUY9n)
@toddstarnes Team Romney delivers cake to Newt - marking 15th anniversary he became first Speaker reprimanded for ethics violation #lowclass
Keep it classy Mitt
THIS - This stupid Ivy League, bullshit college tee hee shit, is what destroys Mitt.
Newt says "Where is Mitt I thought we were going to debate?" Mitt sends a snarky message with a fucking cake. Newt's people will just take a piss in their cars, while eating the cake.
Posted by: catman at January 21, 2012 11:25 AM (NYdB8)
In 1960, the people who heard the Presidential debate twixt Kennedy and Nixon on the radio said that they thought Nixon had held the edge in the debate. As we know, JFK won the election because he was one of the more handsome men in political history.
Now we have a chance of nominate Newt, who looks like McCain, a has-been dredged from the swamps of Washington DC, or Mitt, whose father was born in Mexico, and has been evidently advised to look friendly and non-threatening. Do you know how tough it is to get a Repub over that buut-he's-a-a-a-mm-m-MONSTER!! hill, and how implausible it is when accusing Romney? Really, if McCain had not been so knarled, (plus Mc was/is a fighter, like Newt, at least concerning his own interests) we wouldn't have seen anymore of Barack after '08.
Posted by: dweebton at January 21, 2012 11:26 AM (hGRh5)
I would love to watch the results today, but I have to go get 2 of my wisdom teeth (which I didn't even know I had) pulled today.
I think the pulling will be more enjoyable. At least I get drugs.
Posted by: CAC at January 21, 2012 03:07 PM (oIKUW)
Heh. They'll give you Vicodin, which can produce euphoria. And a queasy stomach, plus full body itchiness. Unless the script already says so, the best thing I've found is to double the initial dose and take the rest as prescribed.And stop taking them ASAP. Save them for when you have severe pain and can't get to a doctor right away or if your doctor decides to be an asshole and prescribe you weak pain killers when you need something stronger.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 21, 2012 11:30 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: The establishment at January 21, 2012 11:33 AM (nUY9n)
This weather favors the Paul crowd. Also, the coastal areas have had good weather for most of the day so they will be voting heavier. The coastal areas are full of Northern transplants so anything can happen there.
Posted by: Vic at January 21, 2012 11:37 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: jjshaka at January 21, 2012 11:39 AM (IMEKd)
Posted by: buzzion at January 21, 2012 11:45 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: Miss80s at January 21, 2012 11:53 AM (d6QMz)
But don't the residents of MA like Romneycare? I mean, so we're for states' rights when those states choose what we want them to choose?
Yes, the liberals of MA like having the federal government and the other states float them cash for their socialist health care, and be their to bail their insolvent asses out when the bill comes do.
But no, states do not have the right to do that to each other.
Posted by: Entropy at January 21, 2012 11:56 AM (Ci0JG)
Mitt Romney: So inspiring and instilling in confidence that people are willing to look at elect Newt Gingrich for president.
FIFY.
Posted by: Entropy at January 21, 2012 11:57 AM (Ci0JG)
(plus Mc was/is a fighter, like Newt, at least concerning his own interests)
He endorsed Obama you liar.
In the middle of his own campaign he stumped for the jugeared bastard.
So as not to seem... wait, can you guess?
Are you ready?
Did you right down your guess on a sheet a paper?
Fold it in half and set it on top the monitor?
Racist.
Posted by: Entropy at January 21, 2012 12:00 PM (Ci0JG)
I think the most important issue facing this country is racism, so... I can only vote for black guys.
You better Cain's ass back in there somehow.
Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 21, 2012 12:01 PM (Ci0JG)
Posted by: phil at January 21, 2012 12:17 PM (QzdcC)
Posted by: Fig Newton at January 21, 2012 12:25 PM (8HhF2)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Obama-boro (Old Brattleboro), Vermont at January 21, 2012 12:26 PM (Te1S8)
Posted by: KR1 at January 21, 2012 12:26 PM (oEfom)
Posted by: KR1 at January 21, 2012 12:31 PM (oEfom)
Yes with GOD.
I am fairly certain I am not God.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2012 03:07 PM (piMMO)
Well then, I guess you and yours should go ahead and start throwing those stones at him. I hear God doesn't have a problem with that at all.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2012 12:32 PM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: Michael Bates at January 21, 2012 01:00 PM (ZIRk2)
Posted by: AD at January 21, 2012 01:05 PM (OBVn4)
Posted by: rabidfox at January 21, 2012 02:06 PM (LXboU)
It's sort of insulting to think that people might cower indoors due to the oncoming...thunderheads. WTF do you actually think of Southerners then?
Posted by: WinnabowNC at January 21, 2012 02:13 PM (tYyor)
DrewMTips Unpossible! RT @GOP12 Married women going for Gingrich; single women split between Mitt and Newt. #Foxexitpoll
That gave me the lulz.....
Posted by: Tendstl at January 21, 2012 02:19 PM (kb15i)
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