September 14, 2012
— Ace I had this as part of the last post, but it was confusingly inserted, so I've stripped it out to stand on its own.
Lately I've been obsessed with the humorous "how-to" books of Steven Potter, Oxford don, and master of the skill of "Lifemanship" (sabotaging social rivals with cheap rhetorical ploys).
His basic schtick is this: Why should the smart people get the credit for being smart? Or the polite people the credit for having good manners? Or the experts for earning expertise? Or champion chess players the glory of being champion chess players?
Why should they get all the social credit? What about the rest of us?
So he wrote a series of "How To" books for Young Gentlemen Who Aren't Particularly Talented Or Scrupulous. The point of the books is to teach you how to win, not by cheating per se (although some light cheating is always advisable), but by being a dick. But, also: By being a dick in a way that appears to be polite and helpful, so you get away with it.
For example, if someone is beating you at golf, and having a very good day, you can sabotage him thus: By complimenting him on a new form he's using when he strikes the ball.
Even though he's not actually employing a new form. But if you compliment him and say, "Wow, the way you're shifting your back-foot at the moment of impact is really text-book! You're giving me a master's class out here with that shift at the end of your strike!," he will begin thinking about shifting his back-foot, and trying to shift it, and thus will wind up destroying his game.
Bear in mind, he wrote in the 40's and 50's, and in the polite land of England. A lot of his advice is now sort of outdated, particularly in these more rough-mannered times, and would probably get you punched in the mouth.
In fifties England, though, this stuff flew.
He then extended these cheap-ass ploys to all situations, including interrupting the flow of, for example, an expert commanding attention at a cocktail party.
You see, if you allow him to exhibit superiority over you, even in his field of expertise, you lose. You are one-down to him. So you must even the score, and, if possible, even get one-up on him.
What is Plonking?If you have nothing to say, or, rather, something extremely stupid and obvious, say it, but in a ‘plonking’ tone of voice – i.e. roundly, but hollowly and dogmatically. It is possible, for instance, to take up and repeat with slight variation, in this tone of voice, the last phrase of the speaker. Thus:
TYPOGRAPHY EXPERT: ... and roman lower-case letters of Scotch and Baskerville have two or three thou. more breadth, which gives a more generous tone, an easier and more spacious colour, to the full page –
YOURSELF: The letters ‘have width’.
T.E.: Exactly, exactly, exactly – and then if –
YOURSELF: It is a widening.
T.E.: What? – Oh yes, yes.
This is the lightest of trips, yet, if properly managed, the tone of voice, will suggest that you can afford to say the obvious thing, because you have approached your conclusion the hard way, through a long apprenticeship of study.
‘Plonking’ of a kind can be made by the right use of quotation or pretended quotation. (See under Conversationship, p.88.) Here is the rough format:
MILITARY EXPERT (Beginning to get into his stride, and talking now really well): There is, of course, no precise common denominator between the type of mind which, in matters of military science, thinks tactically, and the man who is just an ordinary pugnacious devil with a bit of battlefield instinct about him.
YOURSELF (Quietly plonking): Yes, ... ‘Where equal mind and contest equal go.’
This is correct quotation plonking (a) because it is not a genuine quotation and (b) because it is meaningless. The Military Expert must either pass it over, smile vaguely, say ‘yes’, or in the last resort, ‘I don’t quite get...’ In any case, it stops flow, and suggests that whatever he is saying, you got there first.
Not Plonking, But Another Ploy: Potter made the central insight that the true goal of a game is not to be good at the game, but to be thought of as good at the game.
If you skip trying to be good at the game, it saves a lot of time. You can just employ various cheap ploys to make people think you're good at it.
For example, here are some suggestions on being perceived as good at chess.
CHESS
The prime object of gamesmanship in chess must always be, at whatever sacrifice, to build up your reputation. In our small chess community in Marylebone it would be modesty on my part to deny that I have built up for myself a considerable name without ever actually having won a single game.
Even the best players are sometimes beaten, and that is precisely what happens to me. Yet it is always possible to make it appear that you have lost your game for the gameÂ’s sake.
‘Regarded la Dame’ Play
This is done by affecting anxiety over the wiseness of your opponent’s move. An occasional ‘Are you sure you meant that?’ or ‘Your castle won’t like that in six moves’ time’ works wonders.
By arrangement with another gamesman I have made an extraordinary effect on certain of our Marylebone Chess Club Rambles by appearing to engage him in a contest without board. In the middle of a country lane I call out to him ‘P to Q3’, then a quarter of an hour later he calls back to me ‘Q to QB5’; and so on. ‘Moves’, of course, can be invented arbitrarily.
JUNIOR MEMBER: I canÂ’t think how you do it.
SELF: Do what?
JUNIOR MEMBER: Play chess without the pieces. Do you have a picture of the board in your brain... or what is it?
SELF: Oh, you mean our little game? I am actually up at the moment. Oh, you mean how do we do it? Oh, I’ve always been able to ‘see’ the board in that way, ever since I can remember.
PotterÂ’s Opening
This is supposed, now, to be the name of an effective opening, simple to play and easy to remember, which I have invented for use against a more experienced player who is absolutely certain to win. It consists of making three moves at random and then resigning.

PotterÂ’s opening
(1) KP-K4 : KP-K4
(2) B-Q B4 : B-Q B4
(3) Kt-B3 : Kt-B3
(4) White resigns
The dialogue runs as follows:
SELF: Good. Excellent. (Opponent has just made his third move. See above.) I must resign, of course.
OPPONENT: Resign?
SELF: Well... youÂ’re bound to take my Bishop after sixteen moves, unless... unless... And even then I lose my castle three moves later.
OPPONENT. Oh, yes.
SELF: Unless you sacrifice there, which, of course, you wouldnÂ’t.
OPPONENT: No.
SELF: Nice game.
OPPONENT: Yes.
SELF: Pretty situation... very pretty situation. Do you mind if I take a note of it? The Chess News usually publishes any stuff I send them.
It is no exaggeration to say that this gambit, boldly carried out against the expert, heightens the reputation of the gamesman more effectively than the most courageous attempt to fight a losing battle.
...
Ace here. And it's much easier than spending hours and hours actually practicing the game.
Finally, "Winemanship." Lightly edited to dispose of some jokes that I don't think work.
WINESMANSHIP
Definitions
A schoolboy definition of Winesmanship is ‘How to talk about wine without knowing a Hock from a Horses Neck’. But in fact Winesmanship is itself a philosophy if not an ethic, and can be used in Young Manship, in Jobmanship, even in wooing.
Winesmanship Basic
A few phrases and a ploy or two, to get our bearings. Consider the simplest first. If you are taking a girl, or even a former headmaster, out to lunch at a restaurant, it is WRONG to do what everybody else does – namely, to hold the wine list just out of sight, look for the second cheapest claret on the list, and say, ‘Number 22, please.’ Never say the number, anyhow, because it suggests that you are unable to pronounce the name of the wine you are ordering. Nominate the wine in English French, and make at the same time some comment which shows at least that you have heard of it before. Say, for instance:
‘They vary, of course, but you seldom get a complete dud.’
Or simply:
‘I wonder...’
A useful thing is to look at the wine list before the waiter comes and say, ‘Amazing. Nothing here you can be sure of. Yet the food is quite good. But I’ve got an idea.’
Then, when the waiter comes, say to him, ‘Look. You’ve got a Château Neon ’45 somewhere secreted about the place, I know. Can you let us have a bottle?’
(You know heÂ’s got it because you have in fact read it off the wine list, cheapest but one.)
When the waiter leaves, you can say, ‘They keep a small cache for favoured customers.’
With a little trouble a really impressive effect, suitable for average city-man guest, can be made by arriving fifteen minutes early, choosing some cheap ordinaire, and getting waiter to warm and decant it. When guest comes, say, ‘I know you’ll like this. Should be all right. I got them to get it going at nine o’clock this morning. Not expensive but a perfectly honest wine – and a good wine if it’s allowed to breathe for three or four hours.’
For Home Winesmanship, remember that your mainstay is hypnotic suggestion. Suggest that some rubbishy sherry, nine bob, is your special pride, and has a tremendously individual taste. Insist on getting it yourself ‘from the cellar’. Take about four minutes uncorking it. Say, ‘I think decanting destroys it,’ if you have forgotten, or are too bored, to decant it. Keep staring at the bottle before you pour it. When you have drawn the cork, look particularly hard at the cork, and, of course, smell it.
Don’t say too much about the wine being ‘sound’ or ‘pleasant’: people will think you have simply been mugging up a wine-merchant’s catalogue. It is a little better to talk in broken sentences and say ‘It has... don’t you think?’ Or, ‘It’s a little bit cornery,’ or something equally random like ‘Too many tramlines’. I use this last phrase because it passes the test of the boldly meaningless.
An essential point to remember is that everybody is supposed to take it for granted that every wine has its optimum year up to which it progresses, and beyond which it falls about all over the place. E.g. you can give interest to your bottle of four-and-sixpenny British Russet by telling your guest that you ‘wish he had been able to drink it with you when it was at the top of its form in forty-nine’.
Alternatively you can say, ‘I’m beginning to like this. I believe it’s just on the brink.’ Or I rather like saying, ‘I drink this now for sentimental reasons only... just a pleasant residue, an essence of sugar and water – but still with a hint of former glories. Keep it in your mouth for a minute or two... see what I mean?’ Under this treatment, the definitive flavour of carbolic which has been surprising your guest will seem to him to acquire an interest if not a grace.
Alternatively you may admit, frankly, that your four-and-sixpenny is a failure. ‘They were right,’ you say. ‘The twenty-fours should have been wonderful. Perfect grapes, perfect weather, and the vestre – the Dordogne wind. But for some reason or other they mostly sulked. Taste it and tell me what you think. You may like it.’
Or if your four-and-sixpenny is only two years old and unbearably acid, you can say, ‘Let it rest in your mouth. Now swallow. There, Do you get it? That "squeeze of the lemon", as it’s called...’
Then, if there is no hope of persuading Guest that what he is drinking has any merit whatever, you can talk of your bottle as an Academic Interest treat.
‘Superb wine, but it has its periods of recession. Like a foot which goes to sleep, has pins and needles, and then recovers. I think that was André’s explanation. At the moment it’s BANG in the middle of one of its WORST OFF-COLOUR PERIODS.’
Watch your friend drink this wine, and if he shudders after it, and makes what we winesmen call ‘the medicine face’, you can say... ‘Yes! You’ve got it? Let it linger a moment.’
‘Why?’ says Guest.
‘Do you notice the after-sharpness, the point of asperity in the farewell, the hint of malevolence, even, in the au revoir?’ If he says, ‘Yes’, as he will, look pleased.
WINESMANSHIP: A LITTLE-KNOWN PLOY
After saying (not of course really having a cellar) ‘I’ll get it from the cellar,’ enter any cupboard (preferably beneath stairs), close door, and make sound with feet as if descending to and (after pause) mounting from a wine-cellar.

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Posted by: dantesed at September 14, 2012 01:55 PM (VKjAu)
Posted by: Barky Obumbles at September 14, 2012 01:56 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at September 14, 2012 01:56 PM (NzBQO)
Democrats come from unprotected anal sex.
You didn't pay attention in Sex Ed, did you....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 14, 2012 01:57 PM (2b4yb)
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at September 14, 2012 01:57 PM (8kq7+)
You didn't pay attention in Sex Ed, did you....
Oh that's right. They're squeezed out afterwards.
This guide sounds like something from that movie, "School for Scoundrels". I think Ace reviewed it at one time, but I can't remember for sure. It's the same thing being described here. How to sound like you know what you're talking about, yet completely bullshitting your way through it all. Kinda describes the current administration to a tee, doncha think?
Posted by: EC at September 14, 2012 01:59 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: EC at September 14, 2012 05:59 PM (doBIb)
That's what that girl was doing in that prono I watched the other day!? She was making democrats!
Posted by: Uncle Joey Biden at September 14, 2012 02:01 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 14, 2012 02:01 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: JWF at September 14, 2012 02:01 PM (1l37M)
Posted by: ace at September 14, 2012 02:01 PM (fxHyG)
Posted by: polynikes at September 14, 2012 02:01 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Jay Carney at September 14, 2012 02:01 PM (BVkEs)
We call them assholes.
Posted by: Vic at September 14, 2012 02:01 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 14, 2012 02:02 PM (vpEJA)
Posted by: EC at September 14, 2012 02:03 PM (doBIb)
5 @Reuters
Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip
Posted by: Tami at September 14, 2012 05:55 PM (X6akg)
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Google surely must realize....that Barky needs them, much worse than they need Barky.
If Google stopped 'filtering' their searches, in favor of this administration....it would be very damaging to them.
Posted by: wheatie at September 14, 2012 02:04 PM (Z7b/q)
So you did review it here?
Posted by: EC at September 14, 2012 02:04 PM (doBIb)
Some of that is funny as hell.
‘Your castle won’t like that in six moves’ time’ works wonders. heh
You have to really want to be a dick to do some of that stuff.
Posted by: eleven at September 14, 2012 02:04 PM (fsLdt)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 14, 2012 02:05 PM (jHaYG)
I appreciate the way that Ace is using this new Capri Cavalli style of blogging.
Yes quite. With a flare of Holmgretten wouldn't you say?
Posted by: eleven at September 14, 2012 02:06 PM (fsLdt)
A dumbass will sit there and take it all in, thinking you're the worlds greatest genius.
A wannabe smartypants will also accept your bullshit, thinking he's smart too for coming to the same conclusions.
Posted by: EC at September 14, 2012 02:06 PM (doBIb)
Yes quite. With a flare of Holmgretten wouldn't you say?
Awww shit....I sense a new meme coming on!
Posted by: EC at September 14, 2012 02:07 PM (doBIb)
I keed, I keed.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at September 14, 2012 02:07 PM (X/+QT)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 14, 2012 02:07 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: polynikes at September 14, 2012 02:08 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: eleven at September 14, 2012 02:08 PM (fsLdt)
Because that is somewhat similar, but also gives tips on how to get free hookers in Monte Carlo.
Posted by: wooga at September 14, 2012 02:08 PM (vjyZP)
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Posted by: Dr Spank at September 14, 2012 02:08 PM (fLk7W)
Posted by: ace at September 14, 2012 02:08 PM (fxHyG)
I like the excellent way you write Ace, not quite as pithy and to the point or as humorous but the readability eventually arrives to a correct conclusion.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 14, 2012 02:09 PM (PHb2k)
Posted by: mallfly at September 14, 2012 02:09 PM (bJm7W)
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Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 14, 2012 02:09 PM (6JMZR)
Posted by: ace at September 14, 2012 02:09 PM (fxHyG)
I think Cavalli was best in 2009. "At the moment itÂ’s BANG in the middle of one of its WORST OFF-COLOUR PERIODS."
Posted by: wooga at September 14, 2012 02:10 PM (vjyZP)
If your friend is taking a crucial billiards shot in a bar with light chatter, just as he's about to strike the ball, you shout to the bar, "A LITTLE RESPECT AND QUIET FOR MY FRIEND, HUH?"
Then when he stiffs the shot, you nod at him with a smile, to let him know you *tried your best* to control the noise for him.
Eddie Haskell approves.
Posted by: EC at September 14, 2012 02:10 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke what knows how to take advantage of a bad situation at September 14, 2012 02:10 PM (X/+QT)
ace's "censorship arm for Islamic Radicals" post made it's to Newsbusters as a post.
http://tinyurl.com/9k2f8md
Posted by: lowandslow at September 14, 2012 02:11 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: USA at September 14, 2012 02:11 PM (6Cjut)
I guess I just take the route of "Hey, I have no fucking clue what you're talking about--let's talk about me!"
Posted by: King Jug Ears at September 14, 2012 02:11 PM (imtbm)
Obama at the Obamacare conference with members of Congress wasn't a very good plonker. He still looked like a major ass.
Posted by: Deli LLama at September 14, 2012 02:12 PM (uv9eO)
The real wine snobs, sniff...taste...then spit.
So, if you're going to be a plonker...do it right.
Posted by: wheatie at September 14, 2012 02:13 PM (Z7b/q)
Posted by: Joe Biden at September 14, 2012 02:13 PM (DZ5sb)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at September 14, 2012 02:13 PM (ndlFj)
That's a first. They'll pull any Republican/conservative film in a heartbeat.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2012 02:14 PM (xSegX)
So, really, I'm doing you a favor by steering the conversation back to me.
Posted by: King Jug Ears at September 14, 2012 02:14 PM (imtbm)
Posted by: USA at September 14, 2012 02:14 PM (6Cjut)
Believe or not, I was born with a schlong, but mom had it removed so I could remain a vibrant and loveable woman.
Posted by: Debbie Wasserman Schultz at September 14, 2012 02:15 PM (ndqJC)
http://bit.ly/OpgjOy
Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at September 14, 2012 02:15 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at September 14, 2012 02:15 PM (clpR2)
Has anyone else watched the reality show with Clint Eastwood's wife? His daughter's boyfriend is the master of master plonkers.
Posted by: polynikes at September 14, 2012 02:15 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: buzzion at September 14, 2012 02:16 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: The littl shyning man at September 14, 2012 02:16 PM (r8LXE)
Nice ploy, but I'd rather remind them that their guts would make an excellent lubricant for the tank treads.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 14, 2012 02:16 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at September 14, 2012 02:16 PM (XDcow)
So, you're saying there is too much discussion of cork-pulling going on?
Posted by: pep at September 14, 2012 02:16 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2012 02:16 PM (xSegX)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 14, 2012 02:16 PM (bxiXv)
They're probably mid-level Amway guys now.
Posted by: Dang at September 14, 2012 02:18 PM (R18D0)
Posted by: mallfly at September 14, 2012 02:18 PM (bJm7W)
Effective with the insecure.
Posted by: USA at September 14, 2012 06:11 PM (6Cjut)
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Hey, ya' know, your mouth looks like it would fit my dick perfectly.
Posted by: Soona at September 14, 2012 02:18 PM (DZ5sb)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOderedPair at September 14, 2012 02:18 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Lauren at September 14, 2012 02:19 PM (wsGWu)
Reminds me of those articles about how to pick up women by subtly insulting them. Effective with the insecure.
Posted by: USA at September 14, 2012 06:11 PM (6Cjut)
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Hey, ya' know, your mouth looks like it would fit my dick perfectly.
My favorite is ----My friend and I have a bet. He's says your eyes are Brilliant Hazel Blue .....and I say you're a dirty little whore.
Posted by: polynikes at September 14, 2012 02:20 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at September 14, 2012 02:20 PM (5mL/S)
This is where 3 of the men I send packages to are based.
Ya'll pray. Thanks.
Posted by: Pecos at September 14, 2012 02:21 PM (2Gb0y)
So somthing like this?:
Me: I'd really like to ask you out for dinner but you probably don't swallow do you?
Her: YES I DO!
Me: See you at 6.
Posted by: Bosk at September 14, 2012 02:24 PM (n2K+4)
Posted by: Plonky McPlonker at September 14, 2012 02:24 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 14, 2012 02:25 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: jakeman at September 14, 2012 02:25 PM (96M6e)
76 Camp Leatherneck attacked. Two Marines killed. Much damage to aircraft.
This is where 3 of the men I send packages to are based.
Ya'll pray. Thanks.
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Damn.
Someone else posted something about attacks in Afghanistan.
Prayers, of course.....and for all of our military, stationed in places where these savages can get at them.
Posted by: wheatie at September 14, 2012 02:26 PM (Z7b/q)
Posted by: Steven Potter at September 14, 2012 02:26 PM (fLk7W)
Posted by: Jason at September 14, 2012 02:26 PM (1XQNO)
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Posted by: jakeman at September 14, 2012 02:27 PM (96M6e)
Posted by: The Biggest Dick of All-Time at September 14, 2012 02:27 PM (V5wbR)
really! The cap shows you which way to twist it.
Posted by: Dang at September 14, 2012 02:28 PM (R18D0)
Posted by: Steven Potter at September 14, 2012 06:26 PM (fLk7W)
winning post coming just in time.
Posted by: polynikes at September 14, 2012 02:28 PM (m2CN7)
Yes, by all means, and SHUT UP!
Posted by: Schopenhauer at September 14, 2012 02:29 PM (R18D0)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 14, 2012 02:29 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at September 14, 2012 02:29 PM (XDcow)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at September 14, 2012 02:30 PM (5mL/S)
No, no, no. You say, "Your mouth looks way too small to fit my dick."
Posted by: wooga at September 14, 2012 02:31 PM (vjyZP)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at September 14, 2012 02:31 PM (T+lH2)
If I recall correctly, the guy wrote these VERY tongue-in-cheek, just to make fun of the pretentious assholes who think they are all that and a bag of chips.
Since most of those people aren't witty enough to realize they're being had, the fun is in watching them fall all over themselves to kiss up to you.
But you have to be really REALLY clever in order to pull this off - and, alas, I am not that clever.
Think Stephen Fry - he can pull something like this off without losing a beat.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at September 14, 2012 02:32 PM (P6H+d)
Posted by: hilljack from TX at September 14, 2012 02:32 PM (/nCpZ)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at September 14, 2012 02:35 PM (5mL/S)
Obama on Letterman Monday. Any chance we can get Netanyahu as guest host?
Posted by: USA at September 14, 2012 06:14 PM (6Cjut)
If I am ever elected President, the Hawk will become the Poet Laureate of the United States, he really is a national treasure.
Posted by: MrCaniac at September 14, 2012 02:36 PM (1grxW)
At a class reunion / class milestone birthday party, classmate brought bottle of homemade wine from his deceased father's stash. He was very proud of sharing and people were polite, but tasted exactly as you described in the froo froo restaurant.
Posted by: Deli LLama at September 14, 2012 02:38 PM (uv9eO)
European Vacation clip apropos of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXTe5GOYGz8
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Posted by: morgan at September 14, 2012 07:13 PM (5Qmb4)
There's an amazon search on the side.
Posted by: buzzion at September 14, 2012 03:16 PM (GULKT)
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Posted by: ChampionCapua at September 14, 2012 03:24 PM (KZi9D)
Of course, his constituents are kinda dumb.
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