January 08, 2012

Sunday Morning Debate/Open Thread
— andy

9am on NBC for anyone masochistic enough to watch.

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Posted by: Hobo from heck at January 08, 2012 04:46 AM (QE/BE)

2 Another one?  Really?

Didn't we decide the whole Contraception Constitutional Crisis in last night's debate??

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 08, 2012 04:47 AM (UTq/I)

3 I feel like that self flagellating priest from The DaVinci Code.

Posted by: Andy Bernard at January 08, 2012 04:48 AM (DVYq+)

4 If there is a god, or a helpful aide someone will sit Huntsman down and explain to him that now really isn't the time for safety. The man needs to be swinging for the fences, even of running the risk of making a guffaw.

At least by doing that he has the same amount of chance of breaking that glass Romney jaw.

Posted by: Orator at January 08, 2012 04:49 AM (xFVRZ)

5

Good Morning Morons. Its Sunday January 8th, 2012.  On this day in 1815 we had THIS.  On this day on 1964 commie LBJ declared war on poverty. We are still fighting that war and losing. On this day in 1982 the feral government broke up AT&T. Telephone service went to shit and has never recovered.  Now on to the news.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 04:50 AM (YdQQY)

6

Fox/AP's take on the non-debate last night

Whine about everyone attacking Mutt because he is in the LEAD. Remind everyone that Perry was in 5th place in Iowa and last place here. Of course no mention that both are blue States.

Of course F&F said he came out ahead last night unscathed by the attacks. Mutt is “Presidential” and will be our nominee. Shit can they kiss his ass any harder?  They did say Rick Perry didnÂ’t get any time in the debate. Of course not the MFM wants Mutt.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 04:51 AM (YdQQY)

7 Day Effin 8.

Posted by: toby928© at January 08, 2012 04:51 AM (GTbGH)

8

As for the ABC roll this illustrates why these debates are shit and fk the Republican Party for agreeing to them

Of course during “fair and balanced” debate on F&F Commie toad said Stephenopolis was right. Shit these people are insane.

Contrary to what some are reporting this was not an attack on Mutt either. This was an attempt from Step-fa-phony to get Mutt to attack Santorum and as a side benefit, brand the Republican Party as “far right wing social cons”.  However, if Mutt had give the “correct” answer, FYNQ, I would have considered changing my vote in the primary. And no, I donÂ’t think Mutt handled it all that well. Newt would have slaughtered the SOB which is why Steph-a-asshole went to Mutt.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 04:51 AM (YdQQY)

9

Daily Caller says Mutt behaved like he had the nomination already sewed up

Gee guys, I hate to tell you this, but his entire campaign has been that way. I suspect that non-existent “establishment” told him in the beginning it was his so he took it to heart.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 04:52 AM (YdQQY)

10 On this day on 1964 commie LBJ declared war on poverty. We are still fighting that war and losing.
Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 08:50 AM (YdQQY)

Like, hey man...we just haven't tried HARD enough to WIN that war, man...

Posted by: Stoopid Moonbat Hippie at January 08, 2012 04:52 AM (E2rmw)

11

Nikki Haley says being a Mormon will not hurt Mutt in SC

She is right, but if someone will get his damn record out there that will. Hey Perry you can not depend on the press to air his record until after the thing is over. You will have to spend some money. This is your last chance so spend what you have NOW.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 04:52 AM (YdQQY)

12

This is what happens when you negotiate with terrorists

We are now being accused of abuse of prisoners in Afghanistan. Obastard has already decided we are going to leave so we need to leave now. Every American who dies now is dieing to give cover to that worthless traitorous SOB. We should leave and on the way out tell them that we will not be back. If they start up their BS again we will nuke them until nothing is left but glowing cockroaches.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 04:52 AM (YdQQY)

13

Typical Democrat tactic - lose at the polls and legislature, take it to court

Schools suing States because they arenÂ’t getting enough money. And the SOBs won in WA State. However there, it sounds like the Governor put up one of those non-defense defenses against the suit.  (Psst hey buddy, I agree with you but I canÂ’t publicly because the voters would kick my ass. Sue and we will roll over.)

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 04:53 AM (YdQQY)

14

This was BIG news all day yesterday (slow day huh). Idiots bitching about warm Jan and thin ice

IÂ’ll bet the warmies are having a field day. But folks, this is a damn good thing. Especially while fuel costs are so damn high.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 04:53 AM (YdQQY)

15

Santorum to get the all-important Gary Baur endorsement

This will cost him in States outside of the bible belt. Some endorsements you donÂ’t want.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 04:53 AM (YdQQY)

16 Politics is about perception, Mitt acting like he is already been crowned only works if everyone else act's like a circular firing squad... which they seem to love doing.

Posted by: Orator at January 08, 2012 04:54 AM (xFVRZ)

17

Wow, the in-fighting behind the scenes with Moochelle is much worse than we thought

She really does think she is God Queen. That picture of her as Marie Antoinette doesnÂ’t do her justice (besides slamming M.A. unfairly). Someone should do a photoshop of her as Pharaoh Moochelle. The sheer arrogance demonstrated here is amazing.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 04:54 AM (YdQQY)

18

Another huge settlement against city government

At least it looks like the woman here actually did have a case, against the bus driver. But again look who pays, the tax payer not the driver who probably will not even lose his job due to union crap. Morons should start a grass roots campaign to eliminate joint and several liability in all 50 States. It is an abomination.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 04:54 AM (YdQQY)

19 Best moment of the evening was Newt calling out the moderators on the anti-Christian bias.  The worst was Huntsman's look at me I speak Chinese poorly moment.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at January 08, 2012 04:55 AM (JKNDp)

21 That's it for doomy news this morning.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 04:55 AM (YdQQY)

22 My worry is lack of fire. The SCOAMF has the ethically challenged Axelrod and as always, the republicans don't want to say anything to offend. I am hopeful that the TEA party is building organization and has not succumbed to the racist rhetoric from the party of Jim Crow. If Mittens is the guy, we have to work like our lives depend on it to defeat the chitown hustler and the wookie

Posted by: The 4th bestest blogger since Lincoln, FDR and that other guy at January 08, 2012 04:55 AM (l09n2)

23 All in all, a good debate for Romney. I don't think I'll catch this morning's redux, but I doubt there will be much action. If there is I'm sure someone will mention it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2012 04:57 AM (hiMsy)

24 Newt calling anyone out on bias.. (granted it's true) is not going to win him anything. He needs to be punching Romney whenever he can, not trying to point an obvious fact to the entire world.

Posted by: Orator at January 08, 2012 04:57 AM (xFVRZ)

25 Best moment of the evening was Newt calling out the moderators on the anti-Christian bias.  The worst was Huntsman's look at me I speak Chinese poorly moment. Posted by: Ohio Dan
............
Yeah.. I almost felt embarassed for Huntsman.. what a dweeb.

And what a good smackdown by the Mittster on that Chinese "trade war" crap.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 08, 2012 04:57 AM (UTq/I)

26

IÂ’ll bet the warmies are having a field day. But folks, this is a damn good thing. Especially while fuel costs are so damn high.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 08:53 AM (YdQQY)

Ugghhh...Reuters.

Vic -- What is your billed cost for KWH and (if you have) MCF/CCF for nat gas?...curious of SC's rates vis a vis mine here in NEOhio.

As for the waarmies, F 'em...I'm loving this Winter so far!...haven't had one like this here since the 70's...you know, back when Global Cooling was a threat.

Posted by: billygoat at January 08, 2012 04:57 AM (E2rmw)

27 Figures this thread opened just as I posted the following in the ONT: 708 @705: Michael Barone thought Mitt knocked it out of the park - see the link at Hotair. Newt looked tired and dispirited, like he senses his chance slipped away from him. Santorum proved he's a serious Mitt-alternative, and won't do a Cain-like implosion. Huntsman, I thought, did well and made me wish he hadn't listened to whoever convinced him to act like he hates tea partiers. Rick Perry, it seemed, hardly got to talk but did well enuff that if ALL his debates went like that, he'd be on his way to the nomination right now. Paul... Was Paul.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 04:58 AM (niZvt)

28 Yeah, Huntsman's Chinese demonstration was... Annoying.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 04:59 AM (niZvt)

29 Huntsman looked like the multi-lingual geek that impresses the Foggy Bottom crowd.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 08, 2012 05:01 AM (i3+c5)

30 Yeah.. Perry did well yesterday.. except for the put troops back into Iraq thing.  Granted, we should never have pulled all the troops out.. Perry was right about renegotiating that with Iraq.  But, as of this point in time, the country doesn't have the stomach for putting troops back into Iraq or anywhere.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 08, 2012 05:01 AM (UTq/I)

31 24 Newt calling anyone out on bias.. (granted it's true) is not going to win him anything. He needs to be punching Romney whenever he can, not trying to point an obvious fact to the entire world. Posted by: Orator at January 08, 2012 08:57 AM (xFVRZ) I don't get why no one ever really goes after Mitt. I don't hate Romney, but there is no denying he always seems to get a free pass in these debates.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 05:01 AM (niZvt)

32 Hopefully Perry will man up and inject himself into discussion more this morning. He should also finesse what he said last night about going back into Iraq - his premise that Obama pulled out early for purely political reasons being dangerous is true, but most voters aren't looking to immediately return to Iraq. He should emphasize that we'll return if we're needed by the Iraqi government to provide security, and to prevent terrorists and Iran (but I repeat myself) from turning the country into a mess again.

Posted by: Langley at January 08, 2012 05:01 AM (ubwda)

33 Can Huntsman really try not to be annoying? The man has to do something, even if it fails. The only thing that is assured of, is if he doesn't change his tactics he is going to loose anyway.

Posted by: Orator at January 08, 2012 05:01 AM (xFVRZ)

34
Oh yes, the very fair and impartial David Gregory moderating for NBC and all other liberal buffoons.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 08, 2012 05:02 AM (TkGkA)

35 Tsing tsing tao!!!

Posted by: HUNTSMAN! at January 08, 2012 05:02 AM (E2rmw)

36 Vic -- What is your billed cost for KWH and (if you have) MCF/CCF for nat gas?...curious of SC's rates vis a vis mine here in NEOhio.

The actual rate is 7.1 cents/kw-hr. Add fuel adjustment clause which varies but is usually not much, add taxes and fees from local and fed gov which is significant.

As for nat gas I don't have access to it so I don't know what the cost is. I do have gas logs which I used to use when outside air went below 32° but no longer. propane went to $4/gal and it simply costs too much.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:02 AM (YdQQY)

37 Here we go... and the first question... HE TALKS ABOUT REGAN! Does anyone forget the bloody Healthcare law?

Posted by: Orator at January 08, 2012 05:03 AM (xFVRZ)

38
Newt is banging it out of the park!  It's the long ball boys & girls.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 08, 2012 05:03 AM (TkGkA)

39 Casino mogul Sheldon Adelson has given $5 million to an independent committee supporting GOP presidential aspirant Newt Gingrich, the first of what is expected to be many millions the Las Vegas billionaire plans to spend this election year.

The original source of Adelson's wealth and current investments was the computer trade show COMDEX, which he and his partners developed for the computer industry

Posted by: Jared Loughner at January 08, 2012 05:04 AM (e8kgV)

40 708 @705: Michael Barone thought Mitt knocked it out of the park - see the link at Hotair.

Of course he did. He is a neocon and has been on Mutt's team since day one.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:04 AM (YdQQY)

41 Thread winner from Moochelle discussion in other thread: "Hazard pay isnÂ’t any good if a wookie rips your arms off."

Posted by: GergS at January 08, 2012 05:04 AM (dptRY)

42
Willard batting a grounder to first!

Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 08, 2012 05:05 AM (TkGkA)

43 Yeah.. Perry did well yesterday.. except for the put troops back into Iraq thing.

My understanding was he did NOT say put all the troops back in.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:05 AM (YdQQY)

44 Nice job with the name dropping.

Posted by: Orator at January 08, 2012 05:05 AM (xFVRZ)

45 BTW, you do know we haven't pulled them all out right? We left just enough to be a damn target.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:05 AM (YdQQY)

46 @32: first of all: it's over for Perry (the man himself called it quits but changed his mind overnight), so it really doesn't matter. He should have said we need to maintain peacetime military ties with Iraq, and left it at that.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 05:06 AM (niZvt)

47 Has Ron Paul been ejected for kicking dirt on the moderator yet?

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2012 05:07 AM (hiMsy)

48 It's waaaay to early to have to look at and listen to David Gregory.  Actually, there's no good time to look at and listen to him.

Posted by: Tami at January 08, 2012 05:07 AM (X6akg)

49 Swing, and hit to Santorum! That is a good line to take about Romney, finally!

Posted by: Orator at January 08, 2012 05:07 AM (xFVRZ)

50
Santorum banging Willard about the head and nuts.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 08, 2012 05:07 AM (TkGkA)

51

Santorum took the bait and is attacking Mitt.  Dumb move right now. 

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 05:08 AM (FdndL)

52 Vic: I take it that you are not open to be drafted to run for the good of the party?

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 08, 2012 08:56 AM (i3+c5)

If someone else will provide the financing I would. I'm broke. Brokered convention?

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:08 AM (YdQQY)

53
Willard:  I'm not a politician, I'm a good guy.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 08, 2012 05:08 AM (TkGkA)

54 There are a lot of risking with attacking, but the fact remains is that none of them can win without actually attacking. The best they can hope for now is to just land a good hit.

Posted by: Orator at January 08, 2012 05:09 AM (xFVRZ)

55 Why Duhvid Gre-gory? Why Nothing But Crap? No Body Cares...

Posted by: Why, why, why at January 08, 2012 05:09 AM (/MuFf)

56 Well damn Newt is alive after all.

Posted by: Orator at January 08, 2012 05:10 AM (xFVRZ)

57 first of all: it's over for Perry (the man himself called it quits but changed his mind overnight), so it really doesn't matter.

It is not OVER until the gravity challenge female begins a melodic oratory. Proportional delegates until after Apr 1.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:11 AM (YdQQY)

58
Newt is banging Willard's balls like a cheap snare drum.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 08, 2012 05:11 AM (TkGkA)

59 Newt is hilarious. He can pull data and facts out of a rabbit stuffed hat.

Posted by: Newt is a marchin' at January 08, 2012 05:11 AM (/MuFf)

60 An alleged Mexican drug trafficker awaiting trial in a Chicago federal court claims that the notorious Sinaloa cartel received weapons from “Operation Fast and Furious” under an alleged immunity agreement that the U.S. government made with cartel leaders, in exchange for information on rival gangs.

The defendant in a trafficking case before the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois, Vicente Jesus Zambada-Niebla, also claims the immunity deal allowed the criminal cartel to “continue to smuggle tons of illicit drugs” into the United States.

He wants the U.S. government to provide documents relating to the botched gun running sting operation along the southwest border, arguing that it would benefit his defense.

Posted by: Jared Loughner at January 08, 2012 05:11 AM (e8kgV)

61

"#8

 And no, I donÂ’t think Mutt handled it all that well. Newt would have slaughtered the SOB which is why Steph-a-asshole went to Mutt."

Sorry I thought Romney did a great job! What the heck was the idiot asking and Romney made it clear he thought stephie was an idiot!

Posted by: star at January 08, 2012 05:13 AM (rsOPT)

62 It's almost like Perry wasn't there at all last night.

Except when he beclowned himself by calling to re-invade Iraq.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 08, 2012 05:13 AM (7+pP9)

63

Now Newt (who realizes heÂ’s toast) wants to get a few licks in. 

All Gregory wants to do is get one republican to talk shit about another. 

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 05:13 AM (FdndL)

64 On this day in 1982 the feral government broke up AT&T. Telephone service went to shit and has never recovered. Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 08:50 AM (YdQQY) Are you NUTS? You are putting this up on an Internet that could never existed had AT&T still had their monopoly! Guess you have never worked in Communications!

Posted by: OldDog at January 08, 2012 05:13 AM (z/KTb)

65 Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 09:02 AM (YdQQY)

Thanks Vic -- 7.1 is higher than mine (6.1) but I'm surprised it isn't higher.  $4/g propane?!...way high!  ~$2.8 here...

Posted by: billygoat at January 08, 2012 05:14 AM (E2rmw)

66 Oh oh, FNC just reported George Lucas is donating the original Chewbacca outfit to Obama's 2013 Inaugural Ball...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 05:14 AM (niZvt)

67 My wife is a native speaking Chinese, and I asked her this morning what Huntsman had said.  She said his Mandarin was actually very good.  But it was an awkward moment and I don't think I could ever vote for the guy.

Posted by: TaiwanJoe at January 08, 2012 05:14 AM (BVWfq)

68 Sorry I thought Romney did a great job! What the heck was the idiot asking and Romney made it clear he thought stephie was an idiot!

I'll repeat what I said earlier:

My response would have gone like this:

Steph, that question has no bearing on anything in politics today, move on.

(When Steph persisted)

Look, I am not going to debate constitutional law with someone who wiped his ass with it for 8 years while a member of the Clinton gang. Move on

(When Steph persisted still)

FYNQ

Its is high time to quit being nice to these people. Newt would have shoved that question up his ass (and I am not a Newt fan)


Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:15 AM (YdQQY)

69 Are you NUTS? You are putting this up on an Internet that could never existed had AT&T still had their monopoly!

I am talking about telephone service. Internet wasn't around then.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:16 AM (YdQQY)

70 Good good... damage control! Although he didn't answer the question.

Posted by: Orator at January 08, 2012 05:16 AM (xFVRZ)

71 I'm a glutton for punishment. That's why I'm watching the liberal media set booby traps for the Republican candidates.

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at January 08, 2012 05:16 AM (otfJ1)

72 Huntsman is full of shit.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 08, 2012 05:17 AM (21MGs)

73 Huntsman has actual executive experience.

Posted by: Orator at January 08, 2012 05:18 AM (xFVRZ)

74 So does Obama.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 08, 2012 05:19 AM (21MGs)

75 The only one in the crowd more liberal than Huntsman is Mutt. The only one with less chance of winning the nomination is Ron Paul.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:20 AM (YdQQY)

76 Obama was a Senator, Huntsman has been a governor. There is a big difference.

Posted by: Orator at January 08, 2012 05:20 AM (xFVRZ)

77 What Romney accomplished, that I think won the debate and - I think - the nomination for him was to show that he is willing and able to take on Obama. He showed he will be Anti-Obama, not just Obama-lite. THAT is the Big Takeaway from last night.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 05:21 AM (niZvt)

78
Newt spanks Gregory!

Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 08, 2012 05:21 AM (TkGkA)

79 Czech has a point, Romney has been a paragon of message discipline. Also Perry is hitting some pretty good points to.

Posted by: Orator at January 08, 2012 05:22 AM (xFVRZ)

80 40 Barone has gone from being a guy with a refreshing point of view to more and more of an elitist ass-kisser.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 08, 2012 05:22 AM (6H6FZ)

81 The big takeaway I get from all the press write-ups is that the entire debate was worthless and meant nothing.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:22 AM (YdQQY)

82 Obama has been president for three years now. That's not to defend him, but the fact that Huntsman has executive experience doesn't mean that he's a good candidate.


Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 08, 2012 05:22 AM (21MGs)

83 Huntsman was kicking Romney's ass on the patriotism card.

That was weird (in a good way).

Posted by: Random at January 08, 2012 05:23 AM (YiE0S)

84 And that was a brilliant moment from Perry.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 08, 2012 05:23 AM (21MGs)

85 What Romney accomplished, that I think won the debate and - I think - the nomination for him was to show that he is willing and able to take on Obama. He showed he will be Anti-Obama, not just Obama-lite.

THAT is the Big Takeaway from last night.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 09:21 AM (niZvt)

The one and only thing that makes me feel better about Romney probably being the nominee is that I am pretty sure his ego - if nothing else - will demand he actually try to win the election against Obama. Which will put him a leg up on a certain dipstick senator for Arizona we nominated in 2008.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at January 08, 2012 05:24 AM (cPJUK)

86 Romney has been a paragon of message discipline.

What is the message that he has had discipline on? He really never answers a question and the press hasn't challenged him. The one time he was challenged on Fox he blew up.

Keep all of this in mind if he does get the nomination when the MFM starts eating his lunch then.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:24 AM (YdQQY)

87 Is there a livestream anywhere?

Posted by: elizabethe is *still* all in for Perry at January 08, 2012 05:24 AM (EWkR7)

88 @69 Vic if you live under a bad Baby Bell, I feel for you. However the breakup of AT&T was the single biggest thing that allowed the Internet to develop. ARPA would never released ARPANET to the public if the AT&T monopoly was still in place. In spite of the Junior voting Member of the Senate Committee who claimed to have invented the Internet!

Posted by: OldDog at January 08, 2012 05:25 AM (z/KTb)

89 Then I guess were just going to have to agree to disagree on Huntsman. Another good question is why in god's name do they keep agreeing to these debates with such crappy moderators?

Posted by: Orator at January 08, 2012 05:25 AM (xFVRZ)

90 David Gregory, Herman Munster or Caveman? http://tinyurl.com/7dumldq Or http://tinyurl.com/7ewplna

Posted by: Plant, animal, or mineral at January 08, 2012 05:25 AM (/MuFf)

91 Barone has gone from being a guy with a refreshing point of view to more and more of an elitist ass-kisser.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 08, 2012 09:22 AM (6H6FZ)

I've noticed that, too, though he's always been pretty much pro-establishment, he used to be more objective at least. Sad to see...I used to really enjoy reading his stuff, not so much anymore.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at January 08, 2012 05:25 AM (cPJUK)

92 And I agree, by the way. Huntsman has a decent record in office -- far, far better than Romney's -- and there is nothing dishonorable about serving as Ambassador to China, even in a Democratic administration (why not have good people in that position?).

And Huntsman actually spoke strongly and well during the first quarter today, making total sense. That Huntsman would be doing a lot better in the campaign. Too bad he often comes across as weak, Milquetoast, or ... ahem ... Chinese?

Posted by: Random at January 08, 2012 05:26 AM (YiE0S)

93 Vic if you live under a bad Baby Bell, I feel for you. However the breakup of AT&T was the single biggest thing that allowed the Internet to develop.

I dropped my hard line service long ago.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:26 AM (YdQQY)

94 Will someone please explain to me in very simple terms what "brokered convention" means? 48 hours no sleep and all this night with my Alzheimer's mom who can no longer form sentences, but never stops babbling. I'm just too tired to google it and then try to comprehend. You have my permission to teeat me like the blonde I an as long as you do it nicely.

Posted by: Laura Castellano at January 08, 2012 05:26 AM (ig4Pz)

95 What is the message that he has had discipline on? He really never answers a question and the press hasn't challenged him. The one time he was challenged on Fox he blew up.

The message is that he's electable, he's going to be the nominee and he is the only one attacking Obama. The rest of the candidates seem to constantly taking petty shots at each other, and forgetting the big picture.

The strategy is working well for him.

Posted by: Orator at January 08, 2012 05:27 AM (xFVRZ)

96 How's Newt doing?

Posted by: Hobo With a Shot Glass at January 08, 2012 05:27 AM (CHtyL)

97 Posted by: CoolCzech
.........
I agree.  I thought Romney's strategy of coming back to his "vision" was a good tactic.  He didn't allow himself to be sidetracked from his attack of Obama and the country's choice for a future.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 08, 2012 05:27 AM (UTq/I)

98 Romney still comes across as a slick weasel who ducks any and all tough questions though very few get asked of him. Leaders lead, they don't duck.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 08, 2012 05:28 AM (6H6FZ)

99 Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 09:16 AM (YdQQY)
Vic: AT&T Bell Labs was sitting on DSL because conventional "phone service" was such a money maker and they could charge a premium for data service.
Over all though, they were pretty much a benevolent monopoly!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 08, 2012 05:29 AM (i3+c5)

100 Are you guys watching a live debate?  If so where--I can't find it on MTP.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 08, 2012 05:29 AM (i3+c5)

101 Romney weathered the early storm fairly well. He's hitting the right notes on free enterprise. Deferring to his record as governor, though, probably isn't that smart of an idea when purporting to be "solidly conservative."

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 08, 2012 05:30 AM (21MGs)

102 100 Are you guys watching a live debate?  If so where--I can't find it on MTP.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 08, 2012 09:29 AM (i3+c5)

It's on MSNBC.

Posted by: Tami at January 08, 2012 05:30 AM (X6akg)

103 Will someone please explain to me in very simple terms what "brokered convention" means? 48 hours no sleep and all this night with my Alzheimer's mom who can no longer form sentences, but never stops babbling. I'm just too tired to google it and then try to comprehend. You have my permission to teeat me like the blonde I an as long as you do it nicely.

Posted by: Laura Castellano at January 08, 2012 09:26 AM (ig4Pz)

Hey Laura...it means no candidate gets to the convention with the minimum number needed for the nomination. And then you horse trade to get a nominee...and many delegates are only bound to vote for the guy who won them way back when for a round or 2 of voting, so, in theory, you could end up with someone who didn't even run as the nominee...out of the proverbial 'smoke-filled back room". But, nowadays with all the "super delegates" (read: party hacks) who have votes too, it's almost impossible to end up with one.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at January 08, 2012 05:30 AM (cPJUK)

104 Will someone please explain to me in very simple terms what "brokered convention" means? 48 hours no sleep and all this night with my Alzheimer's mom who can no longer form sentences, but never stops babbling. I'm just too tired to google it and then try to comprehend. You have my permission to teeat me like the blonde I an as long as you do it nicely. Posted by: Laura Castellano
........
Brokered convention means no one candidate has enough delegates to win the nomination outright.. so, the "powers that be" have to broker a deal.. a consensus candidate.  That will never happen in this day and age, though.  It's just wishful thinking on our parts.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 08, 2012 05:30 AM (UTq/I)

105 @ elizabethe

Go to TheRightScoop for a livestream. They almost always have one for these debates, and they do today.

Posted by: Random at January 08, 2012 05:30 AM (YiE0S)

106 Romney still comes across as a slick weasel who ducks any and all tough questions though very few get asked of him. Leaders lead, they don't duck.

Leaders get elected, it's easy to be principled but you also need a modicum of political acumen. Slick wins elections.

Posted by: Orator at January 08, 2012 05:30 AM (xFVRZ)

107 A brokered convention is what they used to have back before 1969. The Party hacks went behind closed doors and decided who they would put out on the floor to vote on.

Once that happened they went out and called on floor leaders who "nominated" a candidate. Someone seconded it and they moved on ntil all the ones they decided were done.

Then they voted. Mostly the nominee was "per-ordained".

They do the same thing now except they do it by setting the rules and the order of the primaries.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:31 AM (YdQQY)

108

f&f is about as biased toward romney as....well,everyone else on fox.....they just had bachmann`s "debate coach"(yes,bachmann`s debate coach..lol) on singing mitt`s praises.... ....

 

wtf is the bachmann/romney connection?....a spot in the administration?...

Posted by: russ hines at January 08, 2012 05:31 AM (GkHqV)

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 08, 2012 05:32 AM (UTq/I)

110 My TV has MSNBC blocked (for lack of adult content)!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 08, 2012 05:32 AM (i3+c5)

111 He's electable yeah, pull the other one.

The only one less electable than him in the general is Ron Paul.

This is 2008 all over again.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:32 AM (YdQQY)

112 89 ...... Another good question is why in god's name do they keep agreeing to these debates with such crappy moderators? Yeah, why not Bill Whittle? Every day, all day long. http://tinyurl.com/7ttff32 Honestly, he should be hired to do the GOP campaign commercials

Posted by: Bill Whittle Should Do Every GOP Campaign Commercial at January 08, 2012 05:32 AM (/MuFf)

113 Ah, thank you, david. I knew a moron could make it simple for me.

Posted by: Laura Castellano at January 08, 2012 05:33 AM (ig4Pz)

114 IT'S VERY EASY TO UNDERSTAND WHY THEY AGREE TO THESE DEBATES WITH THESE MODERATORS /end crazy ranting caps

It's because they have the friggin' large audiences. Forums with millions of viewers. It isn't complicated.

Posted by: Random at January 08, 2012 05:35 AM (YiE0S)

115

wtf is the bachmann/romney connection?....a spot in the administration?...

Posted by: russ hines at January 08, 2012 09:31 AM (GkHqV)

She seems to think (or at least thought at some point) that she will be Mitt's VP pick. She is sadly delusional about this, but given her behavior toward him and seeing that reported in enough places, I think it must be at least partly true. I have no idea why she ever thought that, but then a lot of her behavior after she started running for president baffled me. I used to have a fairly positive opinion of her.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at January 08, 2012 05:35 AM (cPJUK)

116 110 My TV has MSNBC blocked (for lack of adult content)! This made me laugh way too hard. I luv yew guys.

Posted by: Laura Castellano at January 08, 2012 05:36 AM (ig4Pz)

117 Sorry to be so late for the debate... Turn out that I actually do get NBC now on DirecTv but I can't find the debate. What channel was it SUPPOSED to be on at 7 AM?

Posted by: Deety at January 08, 2012 05:37 AM (RvDoQ)

118 They're trying to reach and persuade swing segments of large numbers of primary voters ... they aren't trying to entertain political blog commenters.

Posted by: Random at January 08, 2012 05:37 AM (YiE0S)

119 All the candidates have much nicer neckties this morning. They must have read my critique from last night. Santorum needs to learn how to tie a windsor knot, though.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 08, 2012 05:37 AM (7+pP9)

120 Leaders lead, they don't duck.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 08, 2012 09:28 AM (6H6FZ)

Ummmmm, uhhhhh....NONSENSE!!!

Posted by: TEH WON at January 08, 2012 05:37 AM (E2rmw)

121 After spending about 3 of the last 13 hours standing in a line with each other under spotlights, trying to needle one another whenever possible, I would love it if Newt just said "Screw it, I'm sick of looking at all your stupid faces" and walked off the stage.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2012 05:39 AM (hiMsy)

122 I liked last night's debate. They spent a lot of time talking about the real issues that concern me and my immediate family: abortion, gay marriage and contraception. In any case here's how I stack up this field: Romney is a Mormon and a RINO wimp and if he's the nominee not only will I be voting for Obama -- which I've been planning to do in any event since the crony capitalists made St. Sarah not run -- I'll be voting for Democrats across the board. The RINO GOP establishment RINOs need to be taught a lesson they'll never forget. Santorum is a Catholic. He also lost me when he started talking about zeroing out corporate taxes for the manufacturing sector. That confuses me and when I get confused my instinct is to reject everything. Perry is a Mexican lover and I'm sick and tired about how my wife keeps going on about how masculine he is. Plus that nonsense about Iran and Iraq makes no sense to me. What does Iran possibly have to do with Iraq? They're not even in the same vicinity. Geez that Ricardo Perry is dumb. Paul I like a lot but he seems to cozy up to Israel for my tastes. Plus I wouldn't know the difference between the Federal Reserve and Federal Express. Huntsman is a Mormon and obviously some kind of Chinese double agent. The Newt is my main man and if I actually voted in elections I'd cast my lot with him. Thing is, my state doesn't bother voting until the summer and by then it won't matter. Plus Tuesdays is usually when I play golf at the country club and thus going off to vote is a pain. I'll be staying home in the primary and, as mentioned, voting for Obama in the general. Looking forward to the 2016 election cycle. With luck the RINO GOP RINO establishment will be dead and we'll be able to get a true and pure conservative hero as the nominee. Like St. Sarah. Palin-Angle, '16.

Posted by: Totally Irrational Political Malcontent at January 08, 2012 05:40 AM (r2PLg)

123

Newt should stick to what worked before.  Focus his anger on the media and Obama instead of other republicans.

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 05:40 AM (FdndL)

124 115 wtf is the bachmann/romney connection?....a spot in the administration?... Posted by: russ hines at January 08, 2012 09:31 AM (GkHqV) She seems to think (or at least thought at some point) that she will be Mitt's VP pick. She is sadly delusional about this, but given her behavior toward him and seeing that reported in enough places, I think it must be at least partly true. I have no idea why she ever thought that, but then a lot of her behavior after she started running for president baffled me. I used to have a fairly positive opinion of her. ---------------------------------------------------- Does Nikki think the same? Perhaps Romney slyly and in some subtle or not so subtle way, is suggesting a female VP.

Posted by: Is that what Nikki thinks? at January 08, 2012 05:41 AM (/MuFf)

125 Who schedules a debate at a place named "Chubb Theater"?  That's some crazy shit there, must have had RP or MB in on it.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:41 AM (YdQQY)

126 After spending about 3 of the last 13 hours standing in a line with each other under spotlights, trying to needle one another whenever possible, I would love it if Newt just said "Screw it, I'm sick of looking at all your stupid faces" and walked off the stage.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2012 09:39 AM (hiMsy)

Heh! That would be great. Perhaps with a parting, "And these are the same bullshit leftwing questions you leftwing bullshit mediots always ask anyway! I'm outa here!" thrown in for good measure.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at January 08, 2012 05:41 AM (cPJUK)

127

117  ....What channel was it SUPPOSED to be on at 7 AM?

It's on MSNBC. .....My local NBC channel isn't running it. But I've been watching it on a MSNBC-HD channel. .....It says "Meet the Press" on the menu....so wherever you usually get that show should have it running.

Posted by: wheatie at January 08, 2012 05:42 AM (oPkw3)

128 I'm watching now. God I hate Gregory. What a little Mr. Smithers dweeb.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2012 05:42 AM (Qjh0I)

129 Does Nikki think the same?

No. She is doing "payback" and the BS "electability" route. The latter is what she said, but I suspect the former is what she really was doing.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:43 AM (YdQQY)

130 I'm sure Huntsman has a lot of practice telling the story of Jesus' visit to America in Chinese.

Does he know how to say "Stop fucking pirating American fucking software or we'll bar your fucking ships from our fucking ports" in Chinese? Because it doesn't look like the Chinese ever got that message from our American ambassador.

Maybe it's a vocabulary deficit.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at January 08, 2012 05:43 AM (xqhoO)

131

Looking forward to the 2016 election cycle. With luck the RINO GOP RINO establishment will be dead and we'll be able to get a true and pure conservative hero as the nominee. Like St. Sarah.

Palin-Angle, '16.

Posted by: Totally Irrational Political Malcontent at January 08, 2012 09:40 AM (r2PLg)

You just canÂ’t argue with pure logic like this.

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 05:43 AM (FdndL)

132 Seems the question-answer time is fair so far... Gregory is giving everyone a chance so far. No Stephie moments, so far.

Posted by: Are they getting their fair share? at January 08, 2012 05:43 AM (/MuFf)

133 Perry's pandering again with his asinine proposal to cut Congress's hours and pay, which the President has not a damn bit of authority to do.

Posted by: Random at January 08, 2012 05:44 AM (YiE0S)

134 Does Nikki think the same? Perhaps Romney slyly and in some subtle or not so subtle way, is suggesting a female VP.

Posted by: Is that what Nikki thinks? at January 08, 2012 09:41 AM (/MuFf)

That was a head-scratcher, too...Vic might have a theory on that since he's in SC. I don't think that's happening either, whatever she might be thinking.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at January 08, 2012 05:44 AM (cPJUK)

135 thanks random. Your right also about why these guys agree to these debates. I actually don't have a problem with it. It's not like we're going to get a whole new press corps when we get a Republican congress, they're going to have to deal with these yahoos eventually, might as well see how they handle it now.

Posted by: elizabethe is *still* all in for Perry at January 08, 2012 05:45 AM (EWkR7)

136 Telephone service went to shit and has never recovered.  Now on to the news.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 08:50 AM (YdQQY)

Sure, it's more complex, but in 1982 a long-distance call was $.25/minute. What is it now?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 08, 2012 05:47 AM (nEUpB)

137 130 Does Nikki think the same? No. She is doing "payback" and the BS "electability" route. The latter is what she said, but I suspect the former is what she really was doing. ---------------- I get the payback part, but to this extent, simply on Romney backing her campaign? Endorsement is one thing. She's now out campaigning for him, in person, next to him. Trial balloon? Romney cannot get the Tea Party conservatives. Nikki has/had their support. Hillary fans still disillusioned with their party and angry with Obama? And, the SOUTH.

Posted by: Nikki may be an interesting choice at January 08, 2012 05:48 AM (/MuFf)

139 134 Perry's pandering again with his asinine proposal to cut Congress's hours and pay, which the President has not a damn bit of authority to do. Posted by: Random at January 08, 2012 09:44 AM (YiE0S) That is true. It's one of those things a president has no control over... Like contraception. (Looking at YOU, Stephie!)

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 05:48 AM (niZvt)

140 I think Santorum had a pretty nice dig at Paul, about how he can't deliver on the stuff conservatives want but will do on Day 1 all the things that they fear.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 05:49 AM (1zwZo)

141 Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 08:52 AM (YdQQY)

Abuse of prisoners. First ...it is undoubtadly a bullshit charge. Second...we can avoid all of these charges by conducting battlefield executions of all combatants not in uniform and fighting under the flag of a sovereign nation, as per the Geneva Convention.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 08, 2012 05:49 AM (nEUpB)

142 Sure, it's more complex, but in 1982 a long-distance call was $.25/minute. What is it now?

Its free on my cell phone now.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:50 AM (YdQQY)

143 Oh, sorry! Woke up all sleepyhead and wasted time looking for the debate on NBC. Forgot that they gsve up on news with the advent of MSNBC about a decade ago. SRLSLY? These guys are waking up to talk to MSNBC? At 7:00AM? On a Sunday? Fuckin' WHY?!?!

Posted by: Deety at January 08, 2012 05:51 AM (RvDoQ)

144 Oh dear God...I'm so sick of these 'gay' questions.  Really...this is the most important thing facing us right now?!

Posted by: Tami at January 08, 2012 05:51 AM (X6akg)

145 I wouldn't mind seeing Nikki Haley as Mitt's VP pick... But wouldn't that be too much of a reminder of McCain's pick of Palin? I would think Romney would studiously avoid ANY parallels with Sen. maverick.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 05:51 AM (niZvt)

146 Endorsement is one thing. She's now out campaigning for him, in person, next to him.

Building national Party cred. Its disappointing to me.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:51 AM (YdQQY)

147

Boom. Suck it Hiller.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2012 05:51 AM (Qjh0I)

148 Gay marriage. Good grief, these loons don't give up. Romney smacked them down. LOL Why not respond with Obama's stance - AGAINST.

Posted by: Sick of the friggin' morons at January 08, 2012 05:53 AM (/MuFf)

149 I wouldn't mind seeing Nikki Haley as Mitt's VP pick...

I would. I would never support Haley again. And just like Palin, after Mutt lost she would be dead politically.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:53 AM (YdQQY)

150 I think the GOP should vigorously embrace contraception for gay people.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 05:53 AM (niZvt)

151

Santorum is actually doing pretty well.  Handled the gay questions like a pro.

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 05:54 AM (FdndL)

152 Shut up about the gays. Jesus Christ. These moderators are terrible.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 08, 2012 05:54 AM (21MGs)

153 Santorum with a good parry. The panel look like idiots with all this gay crap.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2012 05:54 AM (Qjh0I)

154 Santorum did a good job of deflecting that attempt to embarrass him with the gay rights question--if only he'd had his crap together while he was still in the legislature...

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 05:54 AM (1zwZo)

155 After Slick gets elected he'll lube it right up for you next.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 08, 2012 05:55 AM (6H6FZ)

156

Gay rights, gay marriage and contraception. .....Yep, those are the most burning issues in the country right now./sarc

I hate these dumbass debates.

Posted by: wheatie at January 08, 2012 05:55 AM (oPkw3)

157 And some of you think it is OK for the party to agree to endless MFM debates.

As I said days ago, they should do their own debates and put them on u-tube. Piss on the MFM, they will never get an even break there so why try.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:56 AM (YdQQY)

158 Yeah, they moved past the gay topic because the moderators got OWNED, and it makes the conservative candidates look good.

Posted by: Sick of the friggin' morons at January 08, 2012 05:56 AM (/MuFf)

159 A guy just asked Romney how he's expanded gay rights in his political career. Does any one honestly think that republicans will choose their next candidate on the basis of what some leftist fuckhead nobody thinks of their gay rights records ? Do they not understand that this is republicans choosing their candidate based on issues that interest republicans and that democrat feelings are not important at this time and they don't get to choose anybody or refuse anybody because it is not their fucking party? Was it some kind of amateurish "trap" ? What the fuck was that? Iran has the bomb! The Middle east is on fire. We're needing jobs, house prices are down, credit is tight, the country is massively in debt and everyone hates Obamacare. The gay rights record is UNIMPORTANT. The election will not be decided on it and the people who want to see a candidate supporting gay rights are going to vote for Obama no matter what. Theses debates are fucking STUPID and so are the chumps that moderate them.

Posted by: cackfinger at January 08, 2012 05:57 AM (a9mQu)

160

The panel was certain Santorum would say he would shoot his son if he turned out gay.

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 05:58 AM (FdndL)

161 Ugh. Right this moment, I wish I had a shotgun handy and could pull a Kurt Cobain.

Posted by: Random at January 08, 2012 05:59 AM (YiE0S)

162 One of them should ask the moderator if he would allow a gay pedophile to baby sit his children.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 05:59 AM (YdQQY)

163 Its free on my cell phone now.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 09:50 AM (YdQQY)

QED

And how's that internet connection? As fast as it was in 1982?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 08, 2012 05:59 AM (nEUpB)

164

My guy Perry did well last night. .....He's doing good so far this morning.

Romney, to his credit, just mentioned Govt. Unions and alluded to their compensation being out of pace with private sector compensation. .....This is the second time that I have heard him touch on this subject in these debates.

If Romney gets forced on us as our nominee.......it will be a lot easier to vote for him if I thought that he would take on the fatcat bureaucrats. 

Posted by: wheatie at January 08, 2012 06:00 AM (oPkw3)

165 Boom. Statement of fact.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2012 06:01 AM (Qjh0I)

166 And how's that internet connection? As fast as it was in 1982?

My internet connection is on cable and it is slower than shit.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 06:01 AM (YdQQY)

167 You know, I'm kind of glad Bachmann isn't here because she probably would have ended up making up a story about a mother coming up to her and telling her that contraceptives made her daughter gay.

Posted by: Andy Bernard at January 08, 2012 06:02 AM (DVYq+)

168 Monty! Monty! Save us with the book thread.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 06:02 AM (YdQQY)

169 Newt tells David Gregory to shove an oil derrick where the Obama sun don't shine.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 06:02 AM (1zwZo)

170 Stooges. Nice.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2012 06:03 AM (Qjh0I)

171

My guy Perry did well last night. ....

Posted by: wheatie at January 08, 2012 10:00 AM (oPkw3)

Yeah, I’m pretty sure I heard a “Invade Iraq Again” rally go past my house this morning.

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 06:03 AM (FdndL)

172 This debate (though I've missed some of the other recent ones) seems to have a higher proportion of Obama bashing.  I approve.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 06:03 AM (1zwZo)

173 One of them should bring a Q-tip when they ask these questions. Throw it at the moderator and tell him to use it to clean the shit out of his ears when he pulls his head out of Obama's ass.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 06:04 AM (YdQQY)

174 OOh! Romney said "labor stooges" and for a second I liked him! Yeah baby!

Posted by: cackfinger at January 08, 2012 06:04 AM (a9mQu)

175 WAR RICK PERRY

Posted by: Mr Pink at January 08, 2012 06:05 AM (g3AWH)

176 Like I said earlier, Romney is hitting the right notes economically.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 08, 2012 06:05 AM (21MGs)

177 "I'm not familiar with the specific law in New Hampshire, because it's really stupid that we have to pander to you people in the first place."

Posted by: Mitt with a dick at January 08, 2012 06:05 AM (DVYq+)

178 My fear is that even less people will show up to vote for Mitt then they did for McCain. None of my friends/family are enthusiastic about this election. I really hope Mitt doesn't get the nomination because I think we may end up with 4 more years of Obama.

Posted by: spypeach at January 08, 2012 06:05 AM (hyUyU)

179 did you read something vic....or is the thread that bad? or that stale?

Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at January 08, 2012 06:06 AM (Ho2rs)

180 If you need "enthusiasm" to vote, you're an idiot. Not everything has to be entertaining.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2012 06:07 AM (Qjh0I)

181

spypeach at January 08, 2012 10:05 AM

Remind your friends that if they don't vote for the GOP nominee that they are voting for Barak Obama.

Posted by: Dick_Nixon at January 08, 2012 06:07 AM (250vK)

182

Newt's answer should have been, "I will donate all the paperwork generated by the EPA to the poor who can't afford oil, they can burn it to stay warm all winter."

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 06:07 AM (1zwZo)

183 Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 10:03 AM (FdndL)

LOL

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 08, 2012 06:07 AM (nEUpB)

184 Perry on the attack against teh won.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 08, 2012 06:07 AM (21MGs)

185 Well sheesh Lincolntf.. I'm not an idiot, and don't need to be entertained, but having confidence in my nominee would be an awesome place to start.

Posted by: spypeach at January 08, 2012 06:09 AM (hyUyU)

186 Good answers for a Sunday morning--I'm usually coming into consciousness right now, so I'm impressed with anyone who can debate in the morning without throwing a cup of coffee at David Gurgory.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 08, 2012 06:09 AM (V6fqC)

187 Rick Perry's Doctor/Pharmacist didn't figure out the correct dosage for his pain pills until now...

Posted by: Andy Bernard at January 08, 2012 06:09 AM (DVYq+)

188 If only Perry had been this on message from the start, we wouldn't be facing the problem of Mittens being the likely nominee.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 06:09 AM (1zwZo)

189 84 And that was a brilliant moment from Perry. ------------------------ What did he do, switch talking points with Newt?

Posted by: Ball Peen Spammer at January 08, 2012 06:10 AM (jiwQf)

190 Do people really think Health Care is a right outside of Daily Kos and Huff Post land?

Posted by: Andy Bernard at January 08, 2012 06:10 AM (DVYq+)

191 Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2012 10:07 AM (Qjh0I)

This.

I have voted in every state and national election since I was 18, and had I lived in Illinois I would have been voting since birth. Not all of those elections were exciting or of grave import, but I had the silly notion that it was my civic duty to participate in the process.

Enthusiasm is for sports and food and sex and entertainment.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 08, 2012 06:10 AM (nEUpB)

192

"Entitlements are not rights."

And so, finally, Ron Paul says something intelligent and defensible without veering off into batsh*t crazy land.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 06:10 AM (1zwZo)

193 My point is, everyone says I'll vote for anyone over Obama, but that's what everyone said the last time he won... I'm just hoping people will actually show up and vote. I'm not feeling confident about that.

Posted by: spypeach at January 08, 2012 06:11 AM (hyUyU)

194 My estate gets all kinds of royalties from Ron Paul.

Posted by: Eisenhower at January 08, 2012 06:11 AM (V6fqC)

195 Aw man, Rick Perry would have done a good live free or die answer. YOU WASTED IT ON CAPTAIN SMUG WHYYYYYYY!!!!?????

Posted by: Andy Bernard at January 08, 2012 06:12 AM (DVYq+)

196 did you read something vic....or is the thread that bad? or that stale?

Debates on NBC are that bad.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 06:12 AM (YdQQY)

197 Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 08, 2012 10:05 AM (21MGs)

Maybe for a castratum.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 08, 2012 06:12 AM (nEUpB)

198 96 How's Newt doing? ------------------------- Well, the viagara is working as intended but his stamina leaves a lot to be desired.

Posted by: Callista Gingrich at January 08, 2012 06:13 AM (jiwQf)

199 Jerry Huntsman, bringing the trust.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 08, 2012 06:13 AM (GZitp)

200 Jonny boy, the reason there was pontification at the podium about gay rights and contraception is because the hamdouche moderators asked about them.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 08, 2012 06:13 AM (V6fqC)

201 Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 10:12 AM (YdQQY)

You and everyone else who is watching are braver than I am.

I simply cannot watch David Gregory. He irritates me almost as much as the JEF, and he may be even more smug!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 08, 2012 06:14 AM (nEUpB)

202 198 My point is, everyone says I'll vote for anyone over Obama, but that's what everyone said the last time he won... I'm just hoping people will actually show up and vote. I'm not feeling confident about that.

Posted by: spypeach at January 08, 2012 10:11 AM (hyUyU)

You must have an awfully small social circle.  Anyone who wasn't a card-carrying Republican, and even some who were, seemingly said they were going to vote for Obama in '08, because of Hope and Change, or no more Bush, or the Skittle-sh*tting unicorns.  There was no such thing as ABO in 2008.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 06:15 AM (1zwZo)

203 You and everyone else who is watching are braver than I am.

I am not watching, just reading the comments.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 06:15 AM (YdQQY)

204 " Some liberals thinks that healthcare is a right. What are the rights that you think people are entitled to from their government. " "Liberals are ignorant, emotional, easily lead, fucking shitheads who usually don't know what the fuck they are talking about, and go around mindlessly repeating dumb slogans and other shit that they heard from a Marxist idiot and mistook for fact. They repeat this crap because they mistakenly believe that it makes them look smart and might earn them a snippet of undeserved praise. I ignore the dull fuckers and the stupid pudding-headed theories that they accept without thinking. Next question. Ask one that the Republican audience might actually care about for a change. "

Posted by: cackfinger at January 08, 2012 06:16 AM (a9mQu)

205

LetÂ’s find out who PerryÂ’s top advisors are and beat them like hobos. 

Somebody has to pay for this.

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 06:16 AM (FdndL)

206 And you know what. Watching it doesn't make any difference. The Romneybots will say he won, the Perrybots will say he won, the Huntsmanclones will say he won et al.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 06:16 AM (YdQQY)

207 False premise David Gregory.  The USSR wanted worldwide communism but they weren't insane, and the Norks can't nuke anyone without killing themselves in the process.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 06:17 AM (1zwZo)

208 Jon Huntsman and David Gregory are related. It's the only explanation. Heh...Santorum is talking about Theocracies....

Posted by: Andy Bernard at January 08, 2012 06:17 AM (DVYq+)

209 Good Iran nuke answer by Santorum.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2012 06:18 AM (Qjh0I)

210 @210 -- Your newsletter writes itself.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 08, 2012 06:18 AM (V6fqC)

211 jwest have you pre ordered Sarah's next book " Going Rogue 2: How I Almost Ran For President"?

Posted by: Dick_Nixon at January 08, 2012 06:18 AM (250vK)

212 Vic, are there Huntsmanclones that aren't his own children or Dems?

Posted by: Andy Bernard at January 08, 2012 06:18 AM (DVYq+)

213 Now Newt goes on an anti-Capitalism rant. Grrrr.

Posted by: Random at January 08, 2012 06:19 AM (YiE0S)

214 Probably not.

But you know what? The impression I get from the NH debates is that since they know it is a done deal in NH in order to get a twopher they must (1) Gen up some controversial stuff and (2) make all Republicans look like shit.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 06:20 AM (YdQQY)

215

216 jwest have you pre ordered Sarah's next book " Going Rogue 2: How I Almost Ran For President"?

Posted by: Dick_Nixon at January 08, 2012 10:18 AM (250vK)

IÂ’ve got a standing order. 

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 06:20 AM (FdndL)

216 Posted by: Andy Bernard at January 08, 2012 10:18 AM (DVYq+)

Last weekend I met someone who was a Huntsman supporter. I was shocked into silence for a few seconds.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 08, 2012 06:21 AM (nEUpB)

217 Newt's a mad mad mad mad mad candidate.

Posted by: cackfinger at January 08, 2012 06:21 AM (a9mQu)

218 I can live with Romney and Gingrich making each other look bad.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 06:21 AM (1zwZo)

219 Ohhhh it's gettin catty up in here RAWR Newt

Posted by: Andy Bernard at January 08, 2012 06:21 AM (DVYq+)

220 Noot needs to quit whining about the ads.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 08, 2012 06:21 AM (21MGs)

221 Here's some nostalgia girl porn for you morons: thelindsayellis Lindsay Ellis I remember living in a world of W2s... folks, you can't hope to truly understand the burden of taxes til you have to pay them yourself.

Posted by: mike at January 08, 2012 06:21 AM (IU2Za)

222 Hint: If you want to get me out to vote for your guy, call me an idiot five or six times and then tell me it is my duty. I respond well to that.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 08, 2012 06:21 AM (6H6FZ)

223 Damn you Santorum and your good answers, why can't you be more electable?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 06:23 AM (1zwZo)

224 Nice Perry answer on jobs and parrying (heh!) pain question.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 08, 2012 06:23 AM (I49Jm)

225 Newt just sounds like a dick pushing the "27 and a half minute movie". Ought to be a good one. Probably put Michael Moore to shame.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2012 06:23 AM (Qjh0I)

226 Rick Perry did it! He counted 3 examples without brain farting!

Posted by: GSain at January 08, 2012 06:23 AM (b7SS8)

227 222, I mean, he's probably got a lot of cousins....

Posted by: Andy Bernard at January 08, 2012 06:24 AM (DVYq+)

228 Posted by: cackfinger at January 08, 2012 10:16 AM (a9mQu)

And of course the greatest single flaw in any liberal's tiny brain is the assumption that rights derive from government.

I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that all liberals are just totalitarians in training.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 08, 2012 06:24 AM (nEUpB)

229 The may take my marijuana, but they'll never take my LIBERTYYY!

Posted by: Ron Paul at January 08, 2012 06:25 AM (GZitp)

230 Alright, so I still haven't watched the debate, but from what I'm reading it looks like Perry said he wanted to have a strategic presence in Iraq. It's being spinned as if he wanted to re-invade Iraq. Is that about right?

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 06:25 AM (zLeKL)

231

I'm sure it's purely coincidence that all the softball questions get cut off before they get to Perry.  Nope, nothing suspicous there, MSNBC is an objective, fact-based network that would never engage in partisan bias, cheerleading, or blatant attempts to manipulate public opinion.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 06:26 AM (1zwZo)

232 My point is, everyone says I'll vote for anyone over Obama, but that's what everyone said the last time he won... I'm just hoping people will actually show up and vote. I'm not feeling confident about that.

Posted by: spypeach at January 08, 2012 10:11 AM

People have these expctations that somehow somewhere sometime their perfect candidate will appear.  Not very likely to happen unless they themselves run.  ask peopl which one of their family or friends they would find as the ideal candidate.  Chances are they'll say none.  I have been voting since the 1960s and I have found only one candidate that I could get enthused or excited about or that I thought was my ideal, and that was for a local office.  I never found any Presidential candidate to be my ideal, not even Reagan. 

I pretty much always voted against the other candidate and if we're honest that's what most of us do.  There are exceptions, the true believers...Kennedy slobberers, Paulbots, etc.  But they are not the majority.   The way I see it is these candidates all have two things, desire and money.  After that they're all pretty much alike, simply politicians.   All we can do is vote and hope for the best.  But this time, as with Carter, we know what we're up against and it's far worse than anything else.  

Posted by: Deanna at January 08, 2012 06:26 AM (4eT2R)

233 This is the debate that last night's should've been. Far less stupid and far more contrast. Romney taking a few hits. And 100% contraceptive/gay marriage free so far.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 08, 2012 06:26 AM (I49Jm)

234 Yeah, it was a better debate. I kinda thought it would be (I was hard pressed to imagine how it could be worse).

Posted by: Random at January 08, 2012 06:27 AM (YiE0S)

235 239, Stephie feeds on stupid.

Posted by: Andy Bernard at January 08, 2012 06:27 AM (DVYq+)

236 Yikes!  Chris Matthews.....off!  Phew, that was close. 

Posted by: Tami at January 08, 2012 06:28 AM (X6akg)

237 I missed the first half hour, but from what I did see I'd have to say Santorum was the big winner, Huntsman and Paul remain irrelevant, Newt and Romney drew some blood on each other, and Perry did well-ish but needs more at this stage of the game.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 06:29 AM (1zwZo)

238 Alright, so I still haven't watched the debate, but from what I'm reading it looks like Perry said he wanted to have a strategic presence in Iraq. It's being spinned as if he wanted to re-invade Iraq.
Is that about right? Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 10:25 AM

Iraq wanted the soldiers gone and now they are gone. What's Perry's plan for getting them back there, when Iraq doesn't want them?

Posted by: Random at January 08, 2012 06:29 AM (YiE0S)

239

There was no one more scared of Santorum as a bible thumping crazy person than I, but IÂ’ve got to admit he went a long way to looking normal in this debate.

On top of that, he seemed relaxed and confident.  Even the unwashed masses will pick up on that.

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 06:29 AM (FdndL)

240 Santorum making a good case for him being a Senator again. Someday... Maybe Senator from Iowa? I don't see him President, though.

Posted by: Deety at January 08, 2012 06:30 AM (RvDoQ)

241 Perry's answers have me hoping that he can somehow pull a miracle in South Carolina.

There's too much squabbling going on between everyone else in their attempts to justify their deviations from conservatism. They support government solutions to problems created by government.

Perry wants to remove the government from the equation. And he isn't afraid to call Obama a socialist.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 08, 2012 06:30 AM (21MGs)

242 Today is a sad day. 30 years ago today, America lost a rock and roll legend, Elvis Presley. Luckily his music still continues to inspire all across the globe, just like America should inspire people across the globe.

Posted by: Michelle Bachmann at January 08, 2012 06:32 AM (zLeKL)

243 Iraq wanted the soldiers gone and now they are gone. What's Perry's plan for getting them back there, when Iraq doesn't want them? ---- Ok, did you watch the debate? I was asking what he said, not what I think about what he said.

Posted by: Michelle Bachmann at January 08, 2012 06:32 AM (zLeKL)

244 The Drudge Report didn't cover this debate.

Posted by: Andy Bernard at January 08, 2012 06:35 AM (DVYq+)

245 Basically, Perry said that Obama didn't negotiate on a continuing American presence in Iraq. He would negotiate a presence, not an invasion. Why? Obama has thrown away American blood and lives to satisfy his left wing. And Iran will be back in Iraq "in Light speed". that's paraphrased, but that's what he said.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 08, 2012 06:35 AM (I49Jm)

246 165 Ugh. Right this moment, I wish I had a shotgun handy and could pull a Kurt Cobain. ---------------- We need your vote. Revisit after the elections pls...

Posted by: It's not time to pull the trigger at January 08, 2012 06:36 AM (/MuFf)

247 Hi Joffen, Sadly, Perry actually said "I would send troops back to Iraq." From something that ace said, I gather that what that means is that Perry would have, and presumably would going forward, renegotiate a SOFA with Iraq, and that Perry would have negotiated a better SOFA in the first place so that absolute withdrawal was not the result. But, yeah, he did say it.

Posted by: elizabethe is *still* all in for Perry at January 08, 2012 06:37 AM (EWkR7)

248 252, otherwise a ballot will be mysteriously cast for B.O.

Posted by: Andy Bernard at January 08, 2012 06:38 AM (DVYq+)

249 It's been fun reading the debate comments. I don't have a strong enough stomach to watch this early. So thanks.
If Vic is still being harassed over AT&T, here is my take on our phone service.
Downhill all the way. We went from "You can hear a pin drop."
To: Can you hear me now?

Posted by: Pecos, Sic 'em Rick at January 08, 2012 06:38 AM (2Gb0y)

250 re: Perry in iraq, naturalfake said it better. I should always just wait until the smart people comment.

Posted by: elizabethe is *still* all in for Perry at January 08, 2012 06:39 AM (EWkR7)

251 Damn. I suck at this whole sock concept.

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 06:39 AM (zLeKL)

252 Why is Sununu spanking me?

Posted by: Prissy Chrissy at January 08, 2012 06:39 AM (7A0m5)

253 What does Huntsman need to place in NH to go away?

Posted by: Andy Bernard at January 08, 2012 06:40 AM (DVYq+)

254 251, 253: Ok, thanks. That's a good idea, and it sounds a hell of a lot better. Plus, he called Obama a socialist. WTF?! What's the matter with people, why isn't this our guy???

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 06:41 AM (zLeKL)

255

IÂ’m starting to like Sununu.

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 06:41 AM (FdndL)

256
Yikes!  Chris Matthews.....off!  Phew, that was close. 

Posted by: Tami at January 08, 2012 10:28 AM (X6akg)

Yeah -- watching the debate without bourbon was tough enough. Chrissy = change the channel.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 08, 2012 06:42 AM (7+pP9)

257 259--1st or lower.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 06:42 AM (hRH92)

258 "Huntsmanclones". Heh. Hadn't heard that one before. 

Posted by: RM at January 08, 2012 06:43 AM (TRsME)

259 Sununu sounds like a hysterical mother yelling at the teacher "Why don't you like my son?!?"  He's not doing Romney any favors IMO.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 06:43 AM (1zwZo)

260 i was hoping for Sununu to call him Tingles

Posted by: avi at January 08, 2012 06:45 AM (iSFyV)

261 Needed something besides "bots". That one is getting old.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 06:45 AM (YdQQY)

262 It's being spinned as if he wanted to re-invade Iraq. ***** Here is the actual text of what Perry said from the transcript of the debate last night at The Washington Post: PERRY: I -- I think we start talking with the Iraqi individuals there. The idea that we allow the Iranians to come back into Iraq and take over that country, with all of the treasure, both in blood and money, that we have spent in Iraq, because this president wants to kowtow to his liberal, leftist base and move out those men and women. He could have renegotiated that timeframe. I think it is a huge error for us. WeÂ’re going to see Iran, in my opinion, move back in at literally the speed of light. TheyÂ’re going to move back in, and all of the work that weÂ’ve done, every young man that has lost his life in that country will have been for nothing because weÂ’ve got a president that does not understand whatÂ’s going on in that region.

Posted by: Laredo Loretta at January 08, 2012 06:45 AM (r2PLg)

263 Does my breath smell like Gregorys ass?

Posted by: Prissy Chrissy at January 08, 2012 06:45 AM (7A0m5)

264 Sununu's Dad was a Bush I coatholder, became his CoS, and really helped make his Presidency the dynamo that we all recall so fondly.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 06:46 AM (hRH92)

265 Again, I ask: why isn't Perry our guy? His determination is unshakable. He calls 'em like he sees 'em, and his experience beats the whole field put together. He's an actual conservative, with a great jobs record. He's obviously doing so much better at the debates, and has recovered from his stumbles. Why the hell haven't we rallied around this guy?

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 06:46 AM (zLeKL)

266

Dealing with the inevitable Romney nomination as best I can, but can someone tell Romney how to deal with confrontation? He can't just raise his arm, get angry, and instantly get flustered when he doesn't like what is said.

He looks like an entitled brat irritated that the nomination isn't easy when he does that.

Posted by: Paper at January 08, 2012 06:46 AM (IvlIt)

267

265 Sununu sounds like a hysterical mother yelling at the teacher "Why don't you like my son?!?"  He's not doing Romney any favors IMO.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 10:43 AM (1zwZo)

 

I think youÂ’re missing the political benefit of ripping into the press.  Sununu made it real clear that he wasnÂ’t auditioning for a spot as an MSNBC political analyst. This was good for Mitt.

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 06:46 AM (FdndL)

268 @268: That's it? Jesus H. Christ! The MSM is so afraid of Perry it's not even funny.

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 06:47 AM (zLeKL)

269 If there is a god, or a helpful aide someone will sit Huntsman down and explain to him that now really isn't the time for safety. The man needs to be swinging for the fences, even of running the risk of making a guffaw.

Buntsman.

Posted by: nickless at January 08, 2012 06:48 AM (MMC8r)

270 Look at this dbag's question, this is the kind of pure communist BS that we have to deal with in the NE every single day...A GOOD question for Paul to hit outta the park, tho...

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 06:48 AM (hRH92)

271

I think the benefit of ripping into the press is countered by the refusal to answer the reasonable questions that were asked.  You slide the knife in while smiling, like Newt, not going full-on berserker.

and Joffen, I cna't help but feel that the polls are consistently underreporting support for Perry.  It can't be JUST bloggers and commenters who like him.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 06:49 AM (1zwZo)

272 I'll bet when the media operatives set up this debate they were thinking, "Let's get them all worn out and punchy to generate some material for Obama campaign ads!"

Instead, we're actually getting some sincerity.

Posted by: Trimegistus at January 08, 2012 06:50 AM (rCEvh)

273

Posted by: Laredo Loretta at January 08, 2012 10:45 AM (r2PLg)

 

Whenever you need to explain what the candidate actually said, itÂ’s a loss.

I agree with everything Perry said, but thatÂ’s not the way it will be played and thatÂ’s Perry fault for the way he said it.

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 06:50 AM (FdndL)

274 273, he would need way more "likes" and analysis on culturally relevant politicians for that gig. Oh and an Art History degree from Columbia. And John McCain for a father. Viva Princess McCain <3 <3 <3 XOXO

Posted by: Andy Bernard at January 08, 2012 06:50 AM (DVYq+)

275 272

Dealing with the inevitable Romney nomination as best I can, but can someone tell Romney how to deal with confrontation? He can't just raise his arm, get angry, and instantly get flustered when he doesn't like what is said.

He looks like an entitled brat irritated that the nomination isn't easy when he does that.

Posted by: Paper at January 08, 2012 10:46 AM (IvlIt)

Camp Romney hasn't seen shit yet. MFM has been waiting for him, it is his turn after all.

Posted by: Red Shirt at January 08, 2012 06:50 AM (FIDMq)

276 271--"He's obviously doing so much better at the debates, and has recovered from his stumbles. Why the hell haven't we rallied around this guy?" Because every day you think he's got it out of his system, he stumbles 3X the next day...

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 06:50 AM (hRH92)

277 Red State spent the better part of the week compiling Santorum's voting record. To call it horrendous would be an understatement. Read for yourself --

What a Big Government Conservative Looks Like.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 08, 2012 06:51 AM (uQxPy)

278 Awesome! Here comes the gay rights/marriage. The. Most. Important. Question. Facing. Our. Nation. Evah! Can contraception be far behind?

Posted by: naturalfake at January 08, 2012 06:51 AM (I49Jm)

279 Ol' Mitt, going for the sodomite vote...

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 06:52 AM (hRH92)

280 Why couldn't you have practiced more for these things to begin with, Perry?  Why?

Posted by: AD at January 08, 2012 06:52 AM (v5FAc)

281 Huntsman reveals in front of the whole candid world that he can't speak Cantonese. See how that works? JFK's French was lousy, they tell me.

If .Gov hadn't broken up Bell Labs, we wouldn't have solar cells.
Everything's a tradeoff.

Posted by: comatus at January 08, 2012 06:53 AM (ySTXt)

282 @284: How the hell has he stumbled? He's been doing very, very well and hitting all the right notes. @281: If that was the actual text of what he said, where do you get that he said he wanted to re-invade Iraq? You can't help how the MSM will spin things...

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 06:53 AM (zLeKL)

283 Well I hope Little Georgie S. got his questions answered with my posting last night. Because he was obvious curious. Don't Democrats tell their kids anything?

Posted by: EBL at January 08, 2012 06:53 AM (UwxZ1)

284
Well what do you know.  The sun came up this morning:

If you had to pick a nominee to face President Obama solely on the basis of tonight’s debate – and not just the president but the combined forces of the MSM supporting him, like ABC’s moderators — it would surely be Romney, which tells you who won, and decisively.

Hugh Hewitt NRO




"See the pretty girl in the mirror there...."


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 08, 2012 06:53 AM (3wBRE)

285 You can't help how the MSM will spin things...

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 10:53 AM (zLeKL)

Or other candidates(see SS and what Perry wants to do to the oldsters!)

Posted by: The Mitten at January 08, 2012 06:54 AM (FIDMq)

286

Oh, great jounalists think we need to know more of what they think:

Journalism With Voice. WeÂ’re going to be pushing hard on journalism with voice, with context, with more interpretation.

PJM link, h/t InstaP.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 08, 2012 06:54 AM (XdlcF)

287 Good answer from Perry!

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 06:55 AM (hRH92)

288 Perry's en fuego this morning.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 08, 2012 06:55 AM (I49Jm)

289 Perry's doing well but everyone's a bit angry this morning. Gee I wonder why. Next time let's start the debate at 6:00 a.m. and pour sand in their eyes, that'll be a rating draw.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 08, 2012 06:56 AM (GZitp)

290 Watching the debate now. Santorum: (to Romney) "If your record was so great, why didn't you run for re-election?"

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 06:57 AM (zLeKL)

291 Perry needs to be our guy.

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 06:57 AM (zLeKL)

292 Joffen If that was the actual text of what he said, where do you get that he said he wanted to re-invade Iraq? You can't help how the MSM will spin things... Exactly. Sorry that was a sock from last night-I'm not Loredo Loretta jee bus. Anyways Random and Jeff B. took their cue from the gasping Stphanapolous and - Random the Racist Theorist plus Jeff B. the guy that calls ace dishonest and a hack got their comments published during live chat. No one that had a different view.... So that's how you get published in the Big Boy's Upper Chamber- be the known race theorist around here.

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 06:57 AM (r2PLg)

293 259 What does Huntsman need to place in NH to go away? ----------------------------- He can pretty much fund his own campaign and prob. already is. Saw him on tv at a town hall in New Hampshire and he looked like the most smug, arrogant candidate with 1% support I have ever scene. This is an ego trip for Huntsman, and he's got plenty of gas money.

Posted by: Santorum Lied, Condoms Died. at January 08, 2012 06:59 AM (jiwQf)

294 Shoot Cali started it at - 7:00 or 7:30-misssing it. Aaaaaargh!!!!

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 06:59 AM (r2PLg)

295 Damn, I accidentally switched to pmsnbc and and saw Chrissy Matthhews`head. Now I feel like goin` hog huntin`.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at January 08, 2012 06:59 AM (EP6th)

296 The more is see Huntsman speak mandarin or whatever the funnier it gets. We should have a thread in mandarin cuss words only. Might be as much fun as the Obama/notSatan thread.

Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at January 08, 2012 06:59 AM (SiOVz)

297 @tasker: Don't worry, I was Michelle Bachmann for awhile there. But then the Tardisil left my bloodstream. This is a great fucking debate so far! Newt: Pios baloney! BLOOD ON THE FLOOOR! Sorry, if the debate is over I don't care haha this is fuckign great!

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 07:00 AM (zLeKL)

298 The morning debate was okay. Perry and Santorum held up well. Romney was Romney, the only difference, the stick got longer. It's way up there now. Huntsman - superficial, sound bite replies, filled with bs. Newt was Newt. I honestly will admit, I can't to hear his responses. RuPaul was RuPaul. He is the ying yang candidate.

Posted by: Eatkng B12 this morning at January 08, 2012 07:00 AM (/MuFf)

299 Football countdown on ESPN. I need a break from pol talk on TV. Gotta love early playoff games.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2012 07:01 AM (Qjh0I)

300 Posted by: Pecos, Sic 'em Rick at January 08, 2012 10:38 AM (2Gb0y)

Breaking up the AT&T monopoly was the conservative thing to do. Government should never favor one company -- in legislation, regulation or behavior.

Telecommunications has improved immeasurably since the breakup, and the pace of innovation is breathtaking! What is bad about having competition in the sector?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 08, 2012 07:01 AM (nEUpB)

301 Joffen, answer me: why did Perry announce he was "heading to Texas to reassess" 5 days ago? Why did he cancel 3 days of events in SC at that time? Why did he announce by Tweet that it was "full speed ahead in SC" 10 hours later? WTF was his political thought process? This was just the latest...

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 07:01 AM (hRH92)

302 How big is Huntsman's base of self-hating multi-millionaires anyway?

Posted by: It's Gay Marraige, Stupid at January 08, 2012 07:02 AM (jiwQf)

303 @309: That is superficial bullshit. Look at his actual record and tell me why he isn't our best candidate. This isn't American Idol for heaven's sake!

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 07:03 AM (zLeKL)

304

This debate could be a game changer.

“Angry Newt” doesnÂ’t play as well as “Smiling Witty Newt” in New Hampshire.  He might have lost some voters on this round.  Huntsmann has the smug asshole vote locked up.  Santorum did well coming off as more reasonable than his image.  Paul may have lost some of the borderline people who are realizing heÂ’s not electable.

If Santorum places a respectable 4th or even 3rd, he could slow the Mitt freight train.

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 07:03 AM (FdndL)

305 Perry's pandering again with his asinine proposal to cut Congress's hours and pay, which the President has not a damn bit of authority to do.

Posted by: Random at January 08, 2012 09:44 AM (YiE0S)


Hey cutting their hours was easy, just claim they're in recess.


Posted by: Teh Won at January 08, 2012 07:04 AM (ylhEn)

306
I've seen polar bears and seals.
I've seen giant Antarctic eels.
I've still not found what I'm looking for.

We're all looking for someone.

Posted by: Jared Loughner at January 08, 2012 07:05 AM (e8kgV)

307 Speaking of Ru Paul......

Could this election be any more of a farce?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 08, 2012 07:05 AM (uQxPy)

308

Latest poll shows Perry gaining on Undecided and Other.

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 07:06 AM (FdndL)

309 WTF was his political thought process?

This was just the latest...

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 11:01 AM (hRH92)

Could be staffers releasing information they shouldn't....or the media speculating on what's going on in his campaign and releasing it as gospel. 

Posted by: Tami at January 08, 2012 07:06 AM (X6akg)

310 Joffen, there's a reason we have "campaigns" where real live candidates go out to make their cases in multiple fora...Sorry if you have a prob w/it, but we'll never pick a Prez by having him/her fax in his resume. BTW, how did the well-funded, mega=experienced executive Perry manage to not get onto the VA ballot? Was that "superficial"?

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 07:07 AM (hRH92)

311 Another winnah from Perry!

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 07:08 AM (hRH92)

312 OK, OK...enough of this debate BS -- true morons want something else!!!  In otherwords...can I haz football/pointy-elboz thread plz?  And no, it isn't too early....it's NEVER too early!!!

Posted by: billygoat at January 08, 2012 07:08 AM (E2rmw)

313 BAM! No weaselling from Perry. Obama is a socialist.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 08, 2012 07:08 AM (I49Jm)

314 ...btw.... Iran is already in Iraq... ****** AP-In Iraq, militia's shift could bolster Iran's hand BAGHDAD (AP) — A decision by a Shiite militia to transform itself from an armed, anti-American movement into a viable political force could complicate Iraq's political crisis and strengthen Iran's clout in this country as U.S. influence wanes. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's government has welcomed the recent decision by Asaib Ahl al-Haq to lay down its arms and join the political process. But bringing the former militants into the fold may alienate the Sunni minority and increase tensions between competing Shiite groups. Al-Maliki, who is widely believed to have played an active role in encouraging the militia to transform, may now gain an important ally that could also lessen his dependence on radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's political bloc. Al-Sadr considers Asaib Ahl al-Haq a disloyal faction that broke away from his own anti-American militia several years ago. Asaib Ahl al-Haq, or Band of the Righteous, believes it played an important role in resisting the American presence in Iraq and that it now deserves some political payback. The group is thought to have fewer than 1,000 armed militiamen, backed by tens of thousands of supporters. An Iraqi close to the extremist group said last year that it relies on Iran for roughly $5 million in cash and weapons each month. [...] Asaib Ahl al-Haq and the Hezbollah Brigades were among a group of Shiite militias backed by Iran that carried out lethal attacks against U.S. bases in June, the deadliest month in two years for American forces in Iraq. U.S. troops completed their pullout last month after America's nearly nine-year war. There is little sign that the Hezbollah Brigades intends to follow Asaib Ahl al-Haq's path. The Hezbollah group, which is believed to be funded and trained by Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard and its Quds Force special operations wing, issued a statement Dec. 30 denying it was joining any national reconciliation process. It said it would not challenge the Iraqi government directly but made no mention of plans to give up arms. A Shiite lawmaker in Baghdad said bringing Shiite militants into the political process will only strengthen Iran's influence in Iraq. "Iran has full control of these armed groups and Iranian officials know how and when to manipulate them to exert pressure on the Iraqi government," he said on condition his name not be used because of the sensitive nature of the issue. [...] "Even if that is the case, the Iranians will be the main beneficiaries because they will take on a bigger role as mediator by making the struggling Shiite groups sit together to settle their differences," he said. Any indication that Iran is wielding greater control over political decisions in Baghdad will only exacerbate sectarian tensions that have risen following the U.S. troop withdrawal. Sunni lawmaker Falah Zaidan said Shiite militias are not welcome in Iraqi politics. "They come with Iran's agenda, which is a dangerous one," he said.

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 07:08 AM (r2PLg)

315 @318: Virginia was a real stumble and perhaps a valid criticism. However, as a serious, informed voter it is up to us to vet our candidates. Otherwise, we're like Obama voters.

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 07:09 AM (zLeKL)

316 You Perry-bots are just constitutionally incapable of accepting that your boy has made MULTIPLE, SUBSTANTIVE SCREW-UPS...Pure denial.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 07:09 AM (hRH92)

317 Debbie Wasserman-Schultz makes my teeth hurt. She is snotty, rude, obnoxious, AND unattractive to boot. And SHE'S the person they choose to represent them?

WTF is wrong with those people?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 07:10 AM (piMMO)

318 It seems like the online reaction to these last two debates is that Perry did well but is still irrelevant. Why is that? Perry has recovered from his earlier fuck-ups in the debates and is on message clearly contrasting himself from the others as a true small government conservative with a record.

The only reason why people aren't flocking back to Perry is because everyone thinks that everyone else won't vote for him.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 08, 2012 07:10 AM (21MGs)

319 The most important thing is trust. Trust me on that. Trust.

Posted by: Jan "Trust" Huntsman at January 08, 2012 07:10 AM (GZitp)

320 @tasker: Don't worry, I was Michelle Bachmann for awhile there. But then the Tardisil left my bloodstream. ***** LOL! Oh holy crap I was actually reading those and saying to myself-how in the hell is someone as Michelle Bachmann making so much sense...

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 07:11 AM (r2PLg)

321 The only reason why people aren't flocking back to Perry is because everyone thinks that everyone else won't vote for him. I think you're onto something, because there are some people here that seem like Perry is a bad candidate, but when you ask them who they plan on supporting, they say Perry.

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 07:12 AM (zLeKL)

322 290 @284: How the hell has he stumbled? He's been doing very, very well and hitting all the right notes. @281: If that was the actual text of what he said, where do you get that he said he wanted to re-invade Iraq? You can't help how the MSM will spin things... Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 10:53 AM (zLeKL) The reason it spun thataway was because at the break, Georgie (or earnest Diane) asked two strategist/reporters if the statement by Perry about not ending the war or somesuch other leading question had killed him in the debate once again and they both went on and on about his "gaffe"....or maybe it was just a stupid idea to admit he wanted to re-invade--they couldn't decide and feigned surprise that he would "blow it again". It was all made up out of whole cloth by the media on the spot: Perry: "Well, it was dark last night"; Media: "There you have it, Perry doesn't even know the sky is blue. How stupid is he George? More stupid than he has always been or is this a new stupidity?"

Posted by: daybrother at January 08, 2012 07:12 AM (z+hCt)

323 324 You Perry-bots are just constitutionally incapable of accepting that your boy has made MULTIPLE, SUBSTANTIVE SCREW-UPS...Pure denial.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 11:09 AM (hRH92)

And your pick is?

Posted by: Tami at January 08, 2012 07:12 AM (X6akg)

324 @324 Absolutely not. You don't get another first impression and Perry screwed that up. that still doesn't mean that he wouldn't be the best Pres. The guy obviously had a learning curve on this, but the good news is that he's actually willing to learn.(Unlike Romney and Romneycare) Is his improvement enough? Who knows? We'll see. For me it's Perry, Newt, Romney/Santorum.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 08, 2012 07:13 AM (I49Jm)

325 Posted by: Laredo Loretta at January 08, 2012 10:45 AM (r2PLg) You skipped the first part of the quote: STEPHANOPOULOS: Governor Perry, we know you have differences with President Obama, but whoÂ’s got the better of this argument right here between Senator Santorum and Governor Huntsman? PERRY: Well, I think that you have to -- I would send troops back into Iraq, because I will tell you... STEPHANOPOULOS: Now? PERRY: I -- I think we start talking with the Iraqi individuals there. The idea that we allow the Iranians to come back into Iraq and take over ... He did say it, and it is going to be quoted. I think his answer clarified what he meant, but the press is going to pretend that part didn't exist. okay, going to the mall.

Posted by: elizabethe is *still* all in for Perry at January 08, 2012 07:13 AM (oA3ke)

326 146 Oh dear God...I'm so sick of these 'gay' questions.  Really...this is the most important thing facing us right now?!

Posted by: Tami at January 08, 2012 09:51 AM (X6akg)

Yes. It is. It most certainly is!

Posted by: Iowa, voting for Santorum at January 08, 2012 07:13 AM (pbKln)

327 OK, OK...enough of this debate BS -- true morons want something else!!!  In otherwords...can I haz football/pointy-elboz thread plz?  And no, it isn't too early....it's NEVER too early!!!

Here ya go.

Long legs, big boobs, stompy boots.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 07:14 AM (piMMO)

328 I would love to be as self-unaware as today's media, that way I could walk around everywhere in just my underwear.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 08, 2012 07:14 AM (GZitp)

329 He did say it, and it is going to be quoted. I think his answer clarified what he meant, but the press is going to pretend that part didn't exist. Ok, thanks for clearing that up. That's spin I can live with. A lot of candidates make mistakes like that. I think Perry will be fine.

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 07:15 AM (zLeKL)

330 The real structural problem is how the purportedly partisan Republican Party has allowed itself to have its nominating process corrupted by non-Republican voters. If Mitt was actually winning a plurality of loyal Repub voters, I'd bite the bullet and move on. But it sickens me that non-Repubs are picking MY candidate, and effectively nullifying my vote, my volunteer work, and my $$ contributions. This is an issue of the INTEGRITY OF OUR VOTING PROCESS, and no major Repub says boo. Disgusting.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 07:15 AM (hRH92)

331 >>>It seems like the online reaction to these last two debates is that Perry did well but is still irrelevant. Why is that? Perry has recovered from his earlier fuck-ups in the debates and is on message clearly contrasting himself from the others as a true small government conservative with a record.

Because his poll numbers are still around 3%-5% in the primary states that decide the election, that's why.  If Rick Perry can't get above 5% in South Carolina of all places, after once leading there by TWENTY, then the cake is well and truly baked on him.

I agree Perry has done much better in the last two debates than before.  But he's already defined himself in most voters' eyes.

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 08, 2012 07:15 AM (hIWe1)

332 @324 You Perry-bots are just constitutionally incapable of accepting that your boy has made MULTIPLE, SUBSTANTIVE SCREW-UPS...Pure denial. Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 11:09 AM (hRH92) -------- No one is denying he made gaffes and mistakes, but I dare you to name one of the men on stage that haven't and then state why Perry's record should be summarily dismissed because of early mistakes while the rest of the field's questionable records are whitewashed in spite of their's?

Posted by: Sean at January 08, 2012 07:15 AM (gPgwJ)

333 Dang! Chris Wallace has had enough of DWS' shit today.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 07:15 AM (piMMO)

334 Hnutsman is so big "trust" because it's the trust that sends him his check every week...

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 07:16 AM (hRH92)

335 It's not as bad as Mitt's "I'm running for office, for Pete's sake!" line. That was awful. Just like Mitt: awful.

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 07:16 AM (zLeKL)

336 Wow! I've never seen anyone manage to shut her up before.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 07:16 AM (piMMO)

337

I think JewishOdysseus is mischaracterizing us Perrykrishnas unfairly.  From what I have seen we are far more willing to admit his flaws than supporters of anyone other than Romney--but most Romney fans are of the hold-the-nose variety.

It's not that we don't see Perry's flaws, or we don't care--what we see is a candidate who is far and away the best on the issues and the flaws and debate gaffes are not make-or-break for us, nor will they likely play that role in a general campaign.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 07:16 AM (1zwZo)

338 >>>This is an issue of the INTEGRITY OF OUR VOTING PROCESS, and no major Repub says boo. Disgusting.

You know, open primaries exist in certain states for a reason.  Just because YOU don't appreciate it doesn't mean it isn't worth something.

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 08, 2012 07:17 AM (hIWe1)

339 Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 08, 2012 10:51 AM (uQxPy)

They all have MAJOR flaws.

Perry - campaigned for Al Gore
Romney - designed ObamaCare
Newt - couch + Nancy Pelosi

Santorum's voting record may have some inexplicable votes, but to me, he's done nothing that approaches these items above.

It is baffling to me how we end up with a list of nominees almost all of which have supported key liberal agenda items. Can anyone imagine a pro-life democrat getting the nomination? Or one that supports dismantling national healthcare? Or a pro second amendment candidate. The Republican party needs an enema.


Posted by: slatz at January 08, 2012 07:17 AM (Pgqu5)

340 I've been shifting back from Newt-Perry-Newt for about a month, FWIW...But you guys for Perry are like in your own little cult. And denial isn't helping him, people.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 07:18 AM (hRH92)

341 Oh, gaawwd...Newt citing the NYT and WaPo, back to Perry...

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 07:19 AM (hRH92)

342 Six NFL teams do not have cheerleaders

Bears, Browns, Giants, Lions, Packers, and Steelers

Falcons Cheerleaders

Broncos Cheerleaders


Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2012 07:19 AM (Y+DPZ)

343 Book thread is up now.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2012 07:19 AM (YdQQY)

344 Paul may have lost some of the borderline people who are realizing heÂ’s not electable.

sane.
Republican.
anything more than a Texas sized bad joke who makes a living bilking 1/2wits.

Posted by: DaveA at January 08, 2012 07:19 AM (t/mAc)

345 184 If you need "enthusiasm" to vote, you're an idiot. Not everything has to be entertaining.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2012 10:07 AM (Qjh0I)

Your right. I voted for Obama because of his seriousness and his sound policy proposals. All that stuff about how he was "cool" and "Yes we can!" didn't affect me at all.

Posted by: 52% of America, voting for Obama at January 08, 2012 07:20 AM (pbKln)

346 Santorum's voting record may have some inexplicable votes, but to me, he's done nothing that approaches these items above.

You have to be shitting me with this. Some inexplicable votes? Some? No offense but.... can you count?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 08, 2012 07:20 AM (uQxPy)

347 Geez KDA, it looks like Atlanta is big on the over-30 recruiting.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 07:21 AM (piMMO)

348 The only denial JO is your denial of our explanations.  Joffen, Tami, myself, the cob-loggers, ace--we all have admitted and even pointed out, without prompting, the flaws of Perry.  We're loyal to the man and his campaign because we believe in what he stands for, not because he's our personal messiah.  I think most of us would leave him for Zombie Reagan, but Ronald's reanimated corpse is not walking through that door...

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 07:22 AM (1zwZo)

349 Long legs, big boobs, stompy boots.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 11:14 AM (piMMO)

yes, yes you are right on all three things. thats all i have to say.

Posted by: Racefan at January 08, 2012 07:23 AM (1v+Jd)

350 Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 11:22 AM (1zwZo)

And there you have it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 07:23 AM (piMMO)

351 But you guys for Perry are like in your own little cult. And denial isn't helping him, people.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 11:18 AM (hRH92)

Oh paleeeese....hardly a cult.  Yes, he's had facepalm moments.  His record, however, is better than the rest of the field. 

But unfortunately that no longer matters in the current form of American Idol presidential politics.


Posted by: Tami at January 08, 2012 07:24 AM (X6akg)

352 Here ya go.

Long legs, big boobs, stompy boots.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 11:14 AM

DAMN !!! Tampa Bay definitely has the finest cheerleaders in the NFL

Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2012 07:25 AM (Y+DPZ)

353 I don't believe I've heard any Perrybots say they were writing in his name or running ads even if he weren't on the ballot.

That's the real delusion.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 08, 2012 07:25 AM (uQxPy)

354 CC, I was responding to Joffen who cdn't conceive why any sane person cdn't get behind Perry. I pointed out that when your candidate and your campaign has spent the better part of 5 months impersonating Inspector Clouseau on the stump, then you're going to have to expect a lot of skepticism. And whining that "voters aren't being fair!" will not help him.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 07:26 AM (hRH92)

355 Nice grammar, lu.

I think you got my point though.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 08, 2012 07:27 AM (uQxPy)

356

Perry and Newt won that round.  Mitt lost big time.  What, he thinks we all have amnesia?

Posted by: JoAnne at January 08, 2012 07:27 AM (8DdAv)

357 DAMN !!! Tampa Bay definitely has the finest cheerleaders in the NFL

I don't know. Those New Orleans girls give them a run for their money.

Posted by: real joe at January 08, 2012 07:27 AM (w7Lv+)

358 It seems as if Chrissy and his cohorts are pulling for Huntsman.

Posted by: Big Al at January 08, 2012 07:27 AM (UWp/G)

359 And now time for footba-a-a-a-a-aL! anyone think Denver can beat the Steelers?

Posted by: naturalfake at January 08, 2012 07:28 AM (I49Jm)

360 @362: Hey, c'mon. Give it a rest. Hey, why don't you try selling us on your candidate?

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 07:28 AM (zLeKL)

361 I've been guilty of the electability trap that has seen me lean more towards Romney, so I'm definitely not part of the Perry cult. But today I had what alcoholics refer to as a moment of clarity.

Voters should be willing to take a step back and admit that their first impression of Perry was wrong. His early mistakes caused everyone to think he was unelectable, and therefore shift their support elsewhere. However, Perry remains the only candidate dedicated to limited government outside of Ron Paul, who isn't going to be the nominee anywhere because he's a lunatic. He has the best track record and the most executive experience. He has recovered from his earlier gaffes in the debates.

Now, it likely won't mean a thing because most of us prefer Perry but have convinced ourselves that no one else wants him. He can succeed in the general election on the strength of his record. Thus, it's time for conservatives to throw their support behind him.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 08, 2012 07:29 AM (21MGs)

362

I am a Perry supporter until the "end" because of his record -- jobs, energy/technology develoment, tax policy, limiting regulations, limited government, reasonable immigration policies, cutting public debt.

This is a watershed election because we are at the end of one era (we have eaten up the savings of its productivity) and at the beginning of another.  Different and abundant sources of energy (forget "sustainable"), different technologies, safer and more responsible development.  (See climateaudit.org 1/5/12 Toronto-1912).

Every Republican in this primary is (talking at least) more reasonable (realistic, conservative) about limits and the need to get off the dole and take the risks of personal (jobs) and business (entrepreneurial risk taking) investment and savings.  This one is much better than 2008. 

Since the old powers have failed and new ones are yet to take their place, it is no wonder that the most significant opposition (Republicans) to desperate, fraudulent holding on to "old" income (bureaucrats, Democrats and others) is all over the place. 

What is the change we need and who might bring it about? In this election -- Palin, Romney, Bachman, Perry, Cain, Gingrich, Santorum, Paul, maybe Huntsman, although he has not been a flavor yet.  (There are others working in the laboratory of the states -- next time).  All have important points that must be aired and positions that must be "fought" over.

The only reason for Reagan's "do not speak ill" precept is if the group is in basic agreement about the future. He was part of the "old era" where interests could be managed and pruned. 

I want a no-holds barred primary because all skeletons must be viewed with an x-ray now, all characters and positions must be vetted, so "the people" can settle on an alternative-opponent to the present socialist-bureaucratic-wreck-America regime.  So long as the Republican-Independent-Conservative-Classical Liberal flaws are out there, with answers, apologies, and reasons why, our choice for 2012, this individual-candidate-plus-supporters, will be far superior to what is in power now, Republicans will win and begin the new era.

If the final candidate is Romney (and I hope not without one hell of a fight), perhaps we must go into a holding position while the education of Americans continues (more bankruptcies in the private, public, and business sectors), but if we have someone who can unleash the power of energy resource-productivity we will be on our way.  Next will be educating Americans that a job (given dignity by businesses - not simply winner take all by owners) is far preferable to the dole and provides long-term savings and safety for self and family.

Posted by: pyromancer76 at January 08, 2012 07:29 AM (i0aYq)

363 Perry - campaigned for Al Gore
Romney - designed ObamaCare
Newt - couch + Nancy Pelosi
--------------
Romney is the worst by far. Just woke up, but the family says Romney is sucking ass. But they hate Romney and wont vote for him so I think their opinion is biased

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 08, 2012 07:30 AM (FKQng)

364 Here ya go.

Long legs, big boobs, stompy boots.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 11:14 AM (piMMO)

The state trooper behind her looks like he's got the situation under control.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 08, 2012 07:31 AM (7EV/g)

365 I'm all for Perry staying in until he drops out no matter how poorly he does. I love seeing him debate and honestly, NH is it for Huntsman, so that's one less person to hog the debate. I think it's so odd that Bachmann's out but Huntsman's in.

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 07:31 AM (zLeKL)

366 JO, feel free to use the scope rifle next time instead of the punt gun.  If you generalize, someone else is probably going to respond.  FWIW, I agree with Joffen that Perry is the most reasonable choice on paper, I think he's also the best choice overall.  I might be a bit more--let's say understanding--of why other people might not get behind him, but I would expect at least a plurality of professed conservatives to support him.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 07:32 AM (1zwZo)

367

Hey guys, it looks tonight's episode of The Simpsons is going to be about the Tea Party.

http://tinyurl.com/7xbc9zb

It can't be that bad if Ted Nugent agreed to do it, right? *holds breath for all of three seconds*

Posted by: JDTAY at January 08, 2012 07:33 AM (idY4e)

368 anyone think Denver can beat the Steelers?

Yes.

Isn't Roethlesraper still iffy??

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 07:33 AM (piMMO)

369 Well the press is actually lying when they say- Perry wants to re-invade Iraq-that was the question. What he said before Stephy interrupted him is predicated on- " I think we start talking with the Iraqi individuals there. " Perry goes on further to say- "He could have renegotiated that timeframe. " Also not to get too technical but we still have a military presence in Iraq... So it's the press calling it a re-invasion.

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 07:33 AM (r2PLg)

370 >>You have to be shitting me with this. Some inexplicable votes? Some? No offense but.... can you count?

I read that same RS post in your link right after Iowa, with the idea of giving Santorum another look.
If you really are a conservative which means as small a central government as possible Rick Santorum's voting record closes the door on him.
Social conservative issues while a good indicator of character and the overall direction of our society, are not the pressing issue facing us right now.
It's the crushing weight of the feral government, Santorum would have to do a 180 from his voting record.   

Posted by: ontherocks at January 08, 2012 07:33 AM (HBqDo)

371 You have to be shitting me with this. Some inexplicable votes? Some? No offense but.... can you count?

I'm not going to go through them line by line, but I guarantee that many of those are pointless procedural votes on amendments and such. I've watched several of Santorum's speeches and he is able to articulate conservative philosophy better than any of the other candidates, with the possible exception of Newt. Not only can he say that big government is bad, but he explains why it's bad. For instance, that welfare destroys family and culture.

This is a message that the country has barely heard since Reagan, and needs to. It is something that Romney can't effectively deliver because he doesn't completely understand or believe in it.

Posted by: slatz at January 08, 2012 07:34 AM (Pgqu5)

372
The Orange County Register with Is Willard Johnny Mc II?

Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 08, 2012 07:34 AM (TkGkA)

373 I don't know. Those New Orleans girls give them a run for their money.
Posted by: real joe at January 08, 2012 11:27 AM

Yesterday's cheerleaders were Saints girls, and the elbows comments made Ace come in to defend DiT

Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2012 07:35 AM (Y+DPZ)

374 You Perry-bots are just constitutionally incapable of accepting that your boy has made MULTIPLE, SUBSTANTIVE SCREW-UPS...Pure denial.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 11:09 AM (hRH92)

Why do we like Perry despite his flaws? Because he is the one candidate who gives David Axelrod anxiety diarrhea (i.e. makes him crap his pants), and because he'll slap Teh Won around like the Marxist, anti-American, sock puppet he really is during the election.

Plus he says things like "Adios MoFo."


Posted by: An Observation at January 08, 2012 07:35 AM (ylhEn)

375

Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 08, 2012 11:31 AM (7EV/g)

i could do his job all day long and at the end of the day i would thank the Lord for my job.

Posted by: Racefan at January 08, 2012 07:35 AM (1v+Jd)

376 368--"Hey, why don't you try selling us on your candidate?" HERE GOES: The sentence: "My candidate has proven he can advance the conservative/Repubican agenda by ___________; and he will be able to advance that same agenda as President by _______________." I don't think Romney can fill in the 1st blank, so he is unacceptable to me. Newt fills them both in strongly--no one is close to him on the 1st--and Perry and Santorum do, too. All 3 are acceptable. But Perry and Newt have competed for self-damaging screw-ups, so they are both still struggling. But Newt is hated by the LSM and the left 100X more than they hate Perry, so he has the edge. The psychic benefit of watching leftists leaping out of skyscraper windows can NOT be replaced by anything. And President Newt wd make them do it. :- )

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 07:36 AM (hRH92)

377 I watched Payback last night. My friends recommended 10 years ago. The writer/director was Brian Hegeland (sp) who won an Oscar for LA Confidential. He deserved it.

People like those kind of movies: thinks blowing up, bad guys getting shot, hero riding off into the sunset with the girl and the dog.

I don't understand why Walking Dead can't be similar, i.e., one week the zombies have the upper hand, the next week, the humans have the upper hand, with each side showing innovative ways of killing each other. 

The Oscar buzz is awful. Mostly movies you've never fucking heard of let alone seen.

Posted by: mike at January 08, 2012 07:36 AM (IU2Za)

378

Hey guys, it looks tonight's episode of The Simpsons is going to be about the Tea Party.

http://tinyurl.com/7xbc9zb

It can't be that bad if Ted Nugent agreed to do it, right? *holds breath for all of three seconds*

Posted by: JDTAY at January 08, 2012 11:33 AM

I'm sure that we'll get the Lecture from Lisa explaining how dangerous they are, and a heaping of praise on the Occupoopers.

That's why I haven't watched the show since the 90s

Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2012 07:37 AM (Y+DPZ)

379 @Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 11:33 AM (piMMO) I read that he's been at full practices two days ago, so- that means he's probably ok.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 08, 2012 07:38 AM (I49Jm)

380 335
Long legs, big boobs, stompy boots.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 11:14 AM (piMMO)

A fine, fine post.

Posted by: billygoat at January 08, 2012 07:39 AM (E2rmw)

381 Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 11:36 AM (hRH92) --- We agree that Mittens is horrible. Santorum: too much of a big government conservative. Newt: It would be fun to watch him make the MSM squirm, but he also supported the individual mandate. Perry: You think it wouldn't make liberals squirm to have Obama run against Bush's successor? As much as liberals hate Bush, a Perry win would be great! If Perry wins, liberals will be gouging their eyes out knowing that the guy that beat them was Bush II.

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 07:40 AM (zLeKL)

382 Oh, BTW, I have ALWAYS advocated supporting the candidate you honestly like the best, NOT the one you felt wd be most acceptable to squishers or the LSM. But the Perrypeople spent 3 months telling us he was "inevitable, get on board!" so I find it hard to swallow that now they say we need to go with that gooooood substance. But he has really shown a gift for self-injury, even on a Newt-like level! You can't deny it, folks.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 07:41 AM (hRH92)

383 Falcons Cheerleaders

Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2012 11:19 AM (Y+DPZ)

Roh-roh...3rd from L...is that DWS?

Posted by: billygoat at January 08, 2012 07:41 AM (E2rmw)

384 This is a message that the country has barely heard since Reagan, and needs to.

Fine. How about when someone other than the SweatervestTM takes office?

I happen to agree that those issues are important. I also happen to understand what the electorates wants and needs to hear out the 'non-Obama' choice this election cycle-- and they aren't the type of issues that easily flow from Santorum's lips.




Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 08, 2012 07:41 AM (uQxPy)

385 Newt got Oprahed by Frank Luntz- it is over for him. MoDo is sharpening her knives and drooling over that 2 minutes of tape. It's going to be awful what the Liberal media does with that....

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 07:42 AM (r2PLg)

386 @393: What's this now?

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 07:43 AM (zLeKL)

387 @393 Haven't seen that- what did he say?

Posted by: naturalfake at January 08, 2012 07:43 AM (I49Jm)

388 David Gregory, incredulous that DC Republicans would fear a Perry administration.  Douche!

Posted by: JoAnne at January 08, 2012 07:45 AM (8DdAv)

389 391 Falcons Cheerleaders

Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2012 11:19 AM (Y+DPZ)

Roh-roh...3rd from L...is that DWS?

Posted by: billygoat at January 08, 2012 11:41 AM (E2rmw)

i hope DIT can find a big pic of the one on the right side for the front page today.

Go Falcons.

Posted by: Racefan at January 08, 2012 07:45 AM (1v+Jd)

390 "I'm all for Perry staying in until he drops out no matter how poorly he does." See, I don't go that far, because if he had ~10-15% and dropped out, he wd HELP ANOTHER CONSERVATIVE VS MITT. So this "loyalty" may be self-destructive. If Newt slides behind Perry, I'd advise him to drop out, of course. This is just elementary, basic politics.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 07:46 AM (hRH92)

391 I'm back on the Perry bandwagon. There simply isn't anyone else. And if Mitt gets the nomination, at least he's starting to "sound" more conservative. Make sure to elect more Tea Party or conservative Republicans into Congress, and they can force Mitt to stay on the Tea path (repeal Obamacare, cut spending, cut entitlements, free-market friendly).

Posted by: sunny black at January 08, 2012 07:46 AM (0dyYY)

392 eh, just looked it up. Newt tearing up at an emotional memory of his mother? that's a problem? Republicans don't love their parents? since when?

Posted by: naturalfake at January 08, 2012 07:47 AM (I49Jm)

393 Hey, anybody notice the lady behind Gregory nappin'?

Posted by: JoAnne at January 08, 2012 07:47 AM (8DdAv)

394 393 Newt got Oprahed by Frank Luntz-

it is over for him.

MoDo is sharpening her knives and drooling over that 2 minutes of tape.

It's going to be awful what the Liberal media does with that....

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 11:42 AM

That might actually matter if people who wasted 2 minutes of their lives reading MoDo the Dodo weren't already decided on voting for the SCOAMF

Is there anything squishier than Frank Luntz that still manages to stand upright?

Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2012 07:47 AM (Y+DPZ)

395 JewishOdysseus - Is that you,  Jen Rubin?

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 08, 2012 07:47 AM (GoIUi)

396 Oh you guys know what I'm talking about-I swear ...it's so bad -no one really wants to post it at a Conservative blog. You guys know- the one where Newt is crying...ugh. The Liberal media is going to...slaughter him. It fits all in with the Newt is ' "erratic" meme. It will be awful-he has zero hope in a general.

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 07:48 AM (r2PLg)

397

Roh-roh...3rd from L...is that DWS?

Posted by: billygoat at January 08, 2012 11:41 AM

Eccchhhh ... talk about a Butterface

Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2012 07:49 AM (Y+DPZ)

398 MM, are you drunk? I'm trying to STOP Mitt, not give him BJs.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 07:49 AM (hRH92)

399 If anyone wants to see what the press will do to Newt,  take a look at today's Doonesbury.

It's not unexpected,  but it really lays it all out for anyone with a low reading level to still understand.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 08, 2012 07:49 AM (GoIUi)

400 LOL.  SweatervestTM.

Posted by: JoAnne at January 08, 2012 07:50 AM (8DdAv)

401 MM, if anyone wants to see what the press will do to Newt, open a newspaper from 1983 to 2012.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 07:51 AM (hRH92)

402 I'm voting for Perry.

Posted by: mike at January 08, 2012 07:52 AM (IU2Za)

403 Is there anything squishier than Frank Luntz that still manages to stand upright?

Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2012 11:47 AM

Luntz reminds me of the office manager who holds team building meetings and begs everyone to drop their complaints in the name of harmony. Meanwhile the resentments fester until a huge blowup happens and the office manager is seen packing his stuff into a box and saying his goodbyes



Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2012 07:52 AM (Y+DPZ)

404 JewishOdysseus: Concern troll? Show of hands.

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 07:52 AM (zLeKL)

405 kdabear... I really hate Frank Luntz...Newt thinks Luntz is his friend? Newt was my second...for some reason I think he gets national security at his core-more than the other candidates save Perry but that video... the Liberals are ruthless-there is so many ways to attack Newt in that one vid...he talks about how Callista...look I can't do it. It's over. It's funny because the Newt supporters here never want to discuss the real hurdles in getting Newt through a general... I'd like to hear how they think it can be done but essentially it's Shut up!!! Every other candidates is The Stupid!!! That is not going to work with the Liberal media.

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 07:52 AM (r2PLg)

406 Yeah, I think Doonesbury and Frank Luntz shd determine the acceptability of our candidate. That's a winning strategy.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 07:52 AM (hRH92)

407 Roh-roh...3rd from L...is that DWS?

She wasn't smiling like that when she was on FNS his morning.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 07:52 AM (piMMO)

408 It's all about teh gheys in New Hampshire.  Romeny's loves ghey rights, yes indeedie.  Oh-oh, on to Sweaters for his opinion.

Posted by: JoAnne at January 08, 2012 07:53 AM (8DdAv)

409 409 MM, if anyone wants to see what the press will do to Newt, any Republican nominee open a newspaper from 19833 to 2012. Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 11:51 AM

FIFY

Posted by: The Fixer at January 08, 2012 07:53 AM (Y+DPZ)

410 Is there anything squishier than Frank Luntz that still manages to stand upright? I think his bras trap and girdle kind of hold him together.

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 07:54 AM (r2PLg)

411 Right to work!  Go Perry!!!

Posted by: JoAnne at January 08, 2012 07:54 AM (8DdAv)

412 #406  The conservatives in the race other than Perry will self destruct over the next few weeks.  Santorum hasn't money or an organization,  Newt's baggage will be dropped on his head (see today's Doonesbury) and Ron Paul is as crazy as we all have believed and he will not win one single primary.

So why should Perry,  the only conservative who has a decent chance of winning in the general,  and who can possibly defeat Mitt once others go away, be encouraged to quit?  Are you trying to tell me Perry should drop out because Newt can beat Mitt?  Please.  I am not insane,  Even I will vote for Mitt over Newt.  I do not want a suicide GOP run this fall.

So, I do not think you are that concerned about stopping Mitt as you are in getting Perry to foolishly drop oout.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 08, 2012 07:54 AM (GoIUi)

413 I'm voting for Perry.

You and me both. I've been on his team since the day he announced and find myself wanting to vote for him more now, than I did then.

Mitt is my second.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 07:55 AM (piMMO)

414

410 I'm voting for Perry.

Posted by: mike at January 08, 2012 11:52 AM (IU2Za)

Add in Joffen and that makes two. 

This is how a wave starts.

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 07:55 AM (FdndL)

415 Concern troll?

No. She's not. Read what she's saying.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 08, 2012 07:55 AM (uQxPy)

416 423: lol yeah I know, I'm just fucking with her.

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 07:56 AM (zLeKL)

417 The Falcons Cheerleader on the far left looks like she gives whiplash inducing forearm shimmy.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 08, 2012 07:56 AM (HBqDo)

418 Mitt is my second. *shit*...I keep trying to go with . . . . Sweater-Vest!!!! Man....

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 07:57 AM (r2PLg)

419 You and me both. I've been on his team since the day he announced and find myself wanting to vote for him more now, than I did then.

Mitt is my second.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 11:55 AM

The nomination will be decided with a duel?

COOL !!!!

Posted by: Aaron Burr at January 08, 2012 07:57 AM (Y+DPZ)

420 Newt OR Perry OR Santorum will get all ~ the Repubs, most independents, and 20-40% of the Dhims. The objective is to not just beat the SCOAMF, but to push him into the 30s. We need to stop worrying about our enemies, and just build up our friends. As Glenn Beck put it so brillinatly in those dark, dark days of early 2009: "WE SURROUND THEM."

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 07:57 AM (hRH92)

421 Right to work!  Sweaters: when I was senator, NIMBY!!

Posted by: JoAnne at January 08, 2012 07:57 AM (8DdAv)

422 I am voting for Perry as well.  I would like to , if he stays in the race until May.

Now I have work to do, and I will go away.

But suggesting Perry drop out is just plain wrong.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 08, 2012 07:58 AM (GoIUi)

423 jwest- Ya the guy that thinks the convention will be brokered and- The Establishment will appoint- Sarah Palin. You get the conflict of thought you have going there-don't cha?

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 07:58 AM (r2PLg)

424 Sweaters or Mittens.... \ $%#@

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 07:59 AM (r2PLg)

425 418 Is there anything squishier than Frank Luntz that still manages to stand upright?

I think his bras trap and girdle kind of hold him together.

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 11:54 AM (r2PLg)

LOL!! 

Posted by: JoAnne at January 08, 2012 08:00 AM (8DdAv)

426 Whenever Mitt talks about Obamacare I want to throw the remote at the t.v.

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 08:00 AM (zLeKL)

427 tasker - what Newt video?  I must have missed it.

Posted by: Tami at January 08, 2012 08:01 AM (X6akg)

428

410 I'm voting for Perry.

Posted by: mike at January 08, 2012 11:52 AM (IU2Za)

Add in Joffen and that makes two. 

This is how a wave starts.

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 11:55 AM (FdndL)

Make that three ...

Posted by: JoAnne at January 08, 2012 08:02 AM (8DdAv)

429 "I'm all for Perry staying in until he drops out no matter how poorly he does." Well, ya got company, I guess...[siiiigh] MM, Perry ALREADY foolishly dropped out early, canceled 3 days of events in SC...THEN HE GOT BACK IN! This is solid leadership?

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 08:02 AM (hRH92)

430

Jobs and the economy!

Posted by: JoAnne at January 08, 2012 08:02 AM (8DdAv)

431 Noooo...Tami you missed it...? Flippin' Drudge had it at the top of his website for two days... For awhile we went all Jeffy B. and had it in all caps and red lettered. The only thing-he didn't do is put a siren on it...

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 08:03 AM (r2PLg)

432 @437: Did he say he was dropping out?

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 08:03 AM (zLeKL)

433 424 423: lol yeah I know, I'm just fucking with her. Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 11:56 AM (zLeKL) Really? How is she?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 08:04 AM (niZvt)

434 MM, Perry ALREADY foolishly dropped out early, canceled 3 days of events in SC...THEN HE GOT BACK IN!

This is solid leadership?

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 12:02 PM (hRH92)

Psyche!

Posted by: JoAnne at January 08, 2012 08:04 AM (8DdAv)

435 Instead of some people being angry that everyone isn't jumping on the Perry bandwagon, tell it to Perry. It ain't nobodies fault but Perry's that he has been, up to this point, a lousy candidate. He can keep running, I don't care, but as of right now his numbers are so low he isn't really a factor. What's the game-changing plan for him?

Posted by: lowandslow at January 08, 2012 08:04 AM (GZitp)

436 @CoolCheck: I've had better.

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 08:04 AM (zLeKL)

437 I'm voting for Perry. Posted by: mike at January 08, 2012 11:52 AM (IU2Za) Add in Joffen and that makes two. This is how a wave starts. Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2012 11:55 AM (FdndL) Make that three ... ***** Make this four. ALthough I know some AWACS guys that can hover over the DIEBOLDs....

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 08:04 AM (r2PLg)

438 In honor of Tebow, a little bit of the girl next door for the morons.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 08:05 AM (piMMO)

439

 jwest at January 08, 2012 11:55 AM

Don't worry, you can write Palin in jwest, while you pretend she had the spine to run for POTUS. Shame she is gutless.

We will never know if she had a chance, since she quit running even before she entered the race.

Posted by: Dick_Nixon at January 08, 2012 08:06 AM (vSCTR)

440 FWIW, If Perry is ahead of Newt, I will vote for him in our primary in 23 days.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 08:06 AM (hRH92)

441

Sweaters or Mittens....

I'll take the coyote shooter, strangely enough.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 08, 2012 08:07 AM (XdlcF)

442 Odysseus Cool...Florida?

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 08:08 AM (r2PLg)

443 439 Noooo...Tami you missed it...?

Flippin' Drudge had it at the top of his website for two days...

For awhile we went all Jeffy B. and had it in all caps and red lettered.

The only thing-he didn't do is put a siren on it...

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 12:03 PM (r2PLg)

Damn....I was out of town for about 8 days and didn't read Drudge or this site (strangely, my blood pressure returned to normal). 

I'll go look for it.

Posted by: Tami at January 08, 2012 08:08 AM (X6akg)

444 450--Yes, beautiful Polk County!

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 08:09 AM (hRH92)

445 if Tebow is not hittin that his dad needs to have a long talk with that boy.

Posted by: Racefan at January 08, 2012 08:09 AM (1v+Jd)

446 Sweaters or Mittens.... I'll take the coyote shooter, strangely enough. **** Yes! Man who knew the Republican primary would be like joining some sort of knitting club... SweaterVest or Le Mitten... Just Say No!

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 08:09 AM (r2PLg)

447 440 @437: Did he say he was dropping out? Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 12:03 PM (zLeKL) The night of the Iowa caucuses, he said he would go back to Texas and "reassess" his campaign; in the morning he indicated he changed his mind and would go on to South Carolina. Must have figured he still has $3 million he can only spend on his campaign, so what does he have to lose?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 08:10 AM (niZvt)

448 I'll take any one of them over NBC or ABC.  Two wasted time slots within 24 hours.  Sheeeesh.

Posted by: Looks Like We're in for Nasty Weather at January 08, 2012 08:11 AM (tAwhy)

449 Polk County! Hmmm... I've lived in the Panhandle and Key West... Is Polk north of Miami?

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 08:11 AM (r2PLg)

450

CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 12:10 PM

So he re assessed? And never said he was doing the Palin?

Just making sure.

Posted by: Dick_Nixon at January 08, 2012 08:11 AM (vSCTR)

451

I was out of town for about 8 days

I was wondering where you were hiding.

 

SweaterVest or Le Mitten...

Just Say No MoFo!

FIFY

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 08, 2012 08:11 AM (XdlcF)

452 @CoolCzech: Exactly my point. Reassessing a campaign means doing exactly what he did, not dropping out.

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 08:12 AM (zLeKL)

453 77 What Romney accomplished, that I think won the debate and - I think - the nomination for him was to show that he is willing and able to take on Obama. He showed he will be Anti-Obama, not just Obama-lite.

THAT is the Big Takeaway from last night.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 09:21 AM (niZvt)

This morning?  Not so much.  Biggest weakness:  claiming he's not a professional politician.  Yeah, sure, just because you didn't win those races.  Decided to not run for reelection as Governor and return to citizen/civilian life.  WTF?!!!  And, no, Chris Christie isn't a conservative.

Posted by: JoAnne at January 08, 2012 08:12 AM (8DdAv)

454 Central FL, right between Tampa & Orlando.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 08:12 AM (hRH92)

455 Niedermeyer, I wasn't sure earlier (35  if you were going atta boy for what I said or condemning me as a cultist--I think it was the former, but so much is lost without tone...

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 08:13 AM (1zwZo)

456 Add me to the Perry camp. I'm voting for him assuming he's still in it by the time the primaries roll around to Arkansas.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Acheiver at January 08, 2012 08:13 AM (21MGs)

457 Oh ya.... That's an important swing area of Florida ,no? What do they call it-the I-5 corridor..something like that.

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 08:13 AM (r2PLg)

458 grrr, 358 I meant, silly autosmileys

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 08:14 AM (1zwZo)

459 Santorum's record - wonder if Iowans looked at it or were more impressed with Santorum playing the caucus game.

Posted by: Jornolist at January 08, 2012 08:14 AM (hPcBh)

460 I-5 corridor is Cali, I think I-10 runs through there

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 08:14 AM (1zwZo)

461 @CoolCzech: Exactly my point. Reassessing a campaign means doing exactly what he did, not dropping out.

It tells me that, despite his showing in Iowa (Iowa, pshaw!) he stepped back, reviewed the situation, and STILL decided he had a shot at it.

That tells me that he realizes that less than 200k folks don't get to decide for the rest of us and that Iowa is not an indicator of his real chances.

Both those points tell me he is smarter than the average bear.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 08:14 AM (piMMO)

462 447  jwest at January 08, 2012 11:55 AM Don't worry, you can write Palin in jwest, while you pretend she had the spine to run for POTUS. Shame she is gutless. We will never know if she had a chance, since she quit running even before she entered the race. Posted by: Dick_Nixon at January 08, 2012 12:06 PM (vSCTR) What really turned me against her was all the attention whoring she was doing, while all along, most likely, she knew she would not run. She and Bristol and Levi can all just quietly disappear into their well deserved obscurity now. I'm tired of them.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 08:15 AM (niZvt)

463 It's the I-4 corridor

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 08:15 AM (piMMO)

464 I was the only person on this site who questioned whether Perry was pulling out last tuesday night, after his speech--everyone else was so busy screaming and clawing out their own eyeballs they hadn't noticed his words were a bit ambiguous. You can check the Iowa primary thread to prove it. But then he canceled the events in SC, with just 13 days left till the SC primary--this was unbelievably dumb, if he was just doubtful. Just piss away 3 of your 13 campaigning days?!

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 08:16 AM (hRH92)

465 Is David Gregory for real?

Posted by: Jornolist at January 08, 2012 08:17 AM (hPcBh)

466 Gawd...my memory..frick.. I think I-10 runs through the North of Florida... Sheesh Rove is always talking about some corridor that's the swing area around Central Florida... I should go google it.

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 08:17 AM (r2PLg)

467 I-5 corridor is Cali, I think I-10 runs through there

Nope. Nowhere near there.

I-10 starts out in Jax and runs straight through to L.A.

Polk County: Think Orlando and Tampa for geography.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 08:18 AM (piMMO)

468 @JewishOdysseus: I'm glad he stayed in.

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 08:18 AM (zLeKL)

469 It's the I-4 corridor Thanks! gawd...

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 08:19 AM (r2PLg)

470 BTW, Perry said he was going to Texas to "assess," not RE-assess," an important, subtle distinction.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 08:19 AM (hRH92)

471 473 Is David Gregory for real? Posted by: Jornolist at January 08, 2012 12:17 PM (hPcBh) Now that you mention it, he does sort of look like one of the puppets from Jim Henson's old The Dark Crystal movie.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 08:19 AM (niZvt)

472 I'd say the Broncos have a 10% chance of winning. It would be a big surprise, but it wouldn't be a jaw-dropper. I hang around with a diehard (but hyper-pessimistic) Pittsburgh fan, and I've had fun messing with him about being overconfident. He's a bit tightly wound on game days.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2012 08:20 AM (Qjh0I)

473 @478: So?

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 08:20 AM (zLeKL)

474 I-10 starts out in Jax and runs straight through to L.A.

Which, when I think about it, means I can take exactly one left turn, and one left merge and travel from my house in Jax all the way to L.A.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 08:20 AM (piMMO)

475 Let's see how he does in SC, Joffen, if he surges, I'll be HAPPY to support him! If not...

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 08:20 AM (hRH92)

476 Why are voters in New Hampshire more "authentic" than I? I was born in the Rocky Mountains, grew up by Lake Michigan, and wound up in the South-West. WTF? As much as I love Chicago, no way would I choose to live there, anymore. I think that there might be something of a diaspora of mid---westerners in their 30's to 40's

Posted by: Deety at January 08, 2012 08:21 AM (RvDoQ)

477 This is pathetic.

Posted by: Jornolist at January 08, 2012 08:21 AM (hPcBh)

478 As much as I love Chicago, no way would I choose to live there, anymore.

I'm not living anywhere I can't own my gun.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 08:22 AM (piMMO)

479 I-10 goes east to west from Jacksonville to Santa Monica.

Posted by: Racefan at January 08, 2012 08:22 AM (1v+Jd)

480 481 @478: So? Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 12:20 PM (zLeKL) well, it's an important distinction because someone might say he was actually RE-reassessing his campaign...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 08:22 AM (niZvt)

481 That's an important swing area of Florida ,no?

What do they call it-the I-5 corridor..something like that. Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 12:13 PM

That would be the I-4 corridor, Tampa-Orlando-Daytona

Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2012 08:24 AM (Y+DPZ)

482 I hang around with a diehard (but hyper-pessimistic) Pittsburgh fan We're all like that dude. More old guys die of heart attacks in Pittsburgh during football than any other season... Pittsburgh is like watching Perry debate in the early debates.. Plus today Pittsburgh gets to play the role of: Satan... (I'm already pissing myself.)

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 08:24 AM (r2PLg)

483

Perry is the best of this bunch.

We've already got a slick talking guy in the White House, how's that working out?

Posted by: Meremortal at January 08, 2012 08:24 AM (Usk3+)

484 Re-assess means something surprising has happened that you didn't factor into your plan, "there's no shame in us quitting now." Assess doesn't have quite the same whiff of inevitable loserdom.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 08:24 AM (hRH92)

485 482 I-10 starts out in Jax and runs straight through to L.A.

Which, when I think about it, means I can take exactly one left turn, and one left merge and travel from my house in Jax all the way to L.A.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 12:20 PM

New Orleans, Houston, San Antone, El Paso, Tucson, Phoenix. The world is yours

Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2012 08:25 AM (Y+DPZ)

486 Let's see how he does in SC, Joffen, if he surges, I'll be HAPPY to support him! If not... ---------- It doesn't sound like you will...

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 08:25 AM (zLeKL)

487 That would be the I-4 corridor, Tampa-Orlando-Daytona Ya I frickin' had to google it...they say MacDill is the anchor... Anyways I'm off to go buy Depends so I can watch the game...

Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 08:26 AM (r2PLg)

488

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 12:20 PM (piMMO)

no lefts, no rights, full speed ahead. i have done it before but i started on the west side heading east.

Posted by: Racefan at January 08, 2012 08:26 AM (1v+Jd)

489 482 I-10 starts out in Jax and runs straight through to L.A.

Which, when I think about it, means I can take exactly one left turn, and one left merge and travel from my house in Jax all the way to L.A.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 12:20 PM

Or to the meccas known as Kent TX or Lourdesburg NM

Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2012 08:27 AM (Y+DPZ)

490 485 This is pathetic.

Posted by: Jornolist at January 08, 2012 12:21 PM (hPcBh)


If you just started watching, be warned, it doesn't get any better.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 08, 2012 08:29 AM (GZitp)

491

well, it's an important distinction because someone might say he was actually RE-reassessing his campaign...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 12:22 PM (niZvt)

No matter how hard you wish it, it doesn't make it true.  It just makes it your opinion.

Posted by: JoAnne at January 08, 2012 08:29 AM (8DdAv)

492 New Orleans, Houston, San Antone, El Paso, Tucson, Phoenix. The world is yours

no lefts, no rights, full speed ahead. i have done it before but i started on the west side heading east.

I have always wanted to make that drive. I get four weeks vacation each year so I should take a couple of weeks and drive out and then fly back.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 08:29 AM (piMMO)

493 495 That would be the I-4 corridor, Tampa-Orlando-Daytona Ya I frickin' had to google it...they say MacDill is the anchor... Anyways I'm off to go buy Depends so I can watch the game... Posted by: tasker at January 08, 2012 12:26 PM (r2PLg) Do those come with a Free Applicator?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 08:29 AM (niZvt)

494 I was in church... How was today's debate?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2012 08:31 AM (niZvt)

495 @CoolCzech: I recommend you watch it online it was pretty good. Lots of one-liners and zingers!

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 08:32 AM (zLeKL)

496 you should do it, hell everyone should. it will be a ride you will never forget.

Posted by: Racefan at January 08, 2012 08:32 AM (1v+Jd)

497 I like Palin.  I appreciate her comments and observations. 

Posted by: mike at January 08, 2012 08:32 AM (IU2Za)

498 Posted by: Mama AJ at January 08, 2012 12:11 PM (XdlcF)

Well thanks!  I didn't expect anyone would notice.

tasker - I found the video.  Meh...wasn't that bad.  Lots of people get emotional talking about a parent that has passed, especially if it was a difficult end.  Actually, I think it painted Newt is a more human light than just a facts machine.

Oh and Luntz is a putz.

Posted by: Tami at January 08, 2012 08:33 AM (X6akg)

499 CC, there were decent fireworks, some red-on-red between everyone and Mittens but especially Newt.  IMO, Santorum won, Perry placed, Newt and Romney wounded each other slightly, and no one seriously cares about the other two.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 08:34 AM (1zwZo)

500 505 I like Palin.  I appreciate her comments and observations. 

Posted by: mike at January 08, 2012 12:32 PM (IU2Za)

Oooh, a stalker-bot.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 08, 2012 08:35 AM (Usk3+)

501 Anyone ever see "Penn and Teller: BULLSHIT!"? They did an episode on statistics, and they featured Frank Luntz. After talking about how statisticians are full of shit, they recommended to the audience to shout 'Fuck You, Luntz!" whenever they saw him on the street. Then they had someone drive past Frank as he was doing a survey. "Fuck you, Luntz!" Heh.

Posted by: Joffen at January 08, 2012 08:36 AM (zLeKL)

502 And now I've haunted this thread enough, off to have lunch with the wife.  Hope to make an appearance in the ONT comments tonight.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 08, 2012 08:37 AM (1zwZo)

503 I have always wanted to make that drive. I get four weeks vacation each year so I should take a couple of weeks and drive out and then fly back.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 08, 2012 12:29 PM

Helpful Hint; between Ft Stockton TX and Tucson you may wonder if you've wandered into Mexico. You haven't

Helpful Hint 2; Don't wander into Mexico


Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2012 08:38 AM (Y+DPZ)

504 When four South American heads of state came down with cancers last year, Ugo Chavez told the world that the Nortes had a way to secretly give you cancer. Most believed him. So, just wonderin',

Now that Christina Hernandez turns out to be benign (well, the tumor anyway -- no comment on her politics), will the South Americans all think we can not only give you the cancer, but make it better too?

Smart diplomacy. Death panel diplomacy. Wait until Costa-Gavras gets hold of this. 

Posted by: comatus at January 08, 2012 08:40 AM (ySTXt)

505 No Sunday football thread yet and the game starts in 15 minutes. I hope we didn't hurt DiT feelings so much with the elbows comments that he won't put up a thread

Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2012 08:43 AM (Y+DPZ)

506

This just came over the wire: Panetta says US will respond if Iran closes Hormuz.

He's hiring 400,000 new Federal workers to supervise lines at the gas stations.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 08, 2012 08:46 AM (Usk3+)

507 Jon Huntsman just can't help himself


In an interview Friday, the Utah governor turned China ambassador said bluntly that the GOP had lost its equilibrium in the Obama era but predicted it would eventually return to its bearings — and vindicate his own brand of pragmatism.

“I believe in the ideas put forward by Theodore White, the cycles of history,” Huntsman told POLITICO. “I believe we are in one such cycle. I think that cycle ultimately takes us to a sane Republican Party based on real ideas.”


Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2012 08:48 AM (Y+DPZ)

508

Meremortal at January 08, 2012 12:46 PM

Spot on. I'm sure plenty will line up for $7 a gallon gas when the tap gets cut off.

Posted by: Dick_Nixon at January 08, 2012 08:52 AM (vSCTR)

509 I10 is an ugly ride drive from Santonia to El Paso. A better route is to take US90 W from Santonia to Del Rio on the border, thru Langtry to see Judge Roy Bean's place, to Marathon where the Gage Hotel is a must stop. Head south if you want to see Big Bend and ride drive the River Road to Presidio and then north to Marfa (watch for the lights!). Go west on US90 until you join up with I10 and head into El Paso. Through New Mexico, Arizona and California to the Pacific.

Posted by: Ducatisti at January 08, 2012 09:03 AM (KYE7u)

510 I like Palin.  I appreciate her comments and observations. 

Posted by: mike at January 08, 2012 12:32 PM (IU2Za)

Up until this year.  Since the primary started, she's turned into a fucking gas bag hack.  She lost me when she went along with Bachmann accusing Perry of attempted moral depravity in mandating Gardisil and accepting bribes from Merck.  Hate to use the phrase, but she's dead to me.  Dead.

Burping up stilted monologues on the quality of candidates on Fox offers no insight into this election process whatsoever.

Posted by: JoAnne at January 08, 2012 09:06 AM (8DdAv)

511 Perry called Obama a socialist again and locked up the right to work vote in SC

Posted by: redneck hippie at January 08, 2012 09:07 AM (wQSK/)

512 Actually liked this morning's debate better than last night.  No Steffy and Sawyer.  Gregory's still a big douche, but he just can't compete with Steffy and Sawyer.

Posted by: JoAnne at January 08, 2012 09:10 AM (8DdAv)

513

Fox is pro-Romney because it is dominated by Harvard alums like Romney.  Krauthammer, Kristol, Barone, Barnes, James Murdoch, Dobbs, Wallace, O'Reilly, Wiehl, Dan Senor are all Harvard alums and their pro-Establishment ideology reflects that.

CNN as well: Toobin, Zakaria, Gergen, Frum, Soledad O'brien, Malveux, Dionne, Kinsley + many of their suits are Harvards.  They are pro-Romney 2nd and of course pro-Obama in the final analysis.

The same goes for the rest of the utterly corrupt, diseased media. The Washington Post, New York Times and NBC are the worst.

Virtually every scandal and policy clusterfark like Fannie Mae, Solyndra, Enron, Lightsquared, green BS is designed and produced by Harvard alums. The list of incompetent and corrupt Harvard alums is truly incredible.

 

 

 

Posted by: anti-Romney at January 08, 2012 09:11 AM (FRnn5)

514 Teddy White, well-known mentor of successful GOP Presidents...right up there w/Doonesbury and Frank Luntz... Huntsman is less than a joke, he really is a fraud.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 09:23 AM (hRH92)

515 Jeeeebus, a-R, that is some list of Fox Crimson! "It is no coincidence..." as Pravda used to say...

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 09:25 AM (hRH92)

516 BTW, I was stunned to learn just a few months ago that the intellectual godfather of the modern totalitarian-propaganda state and "progressive" theme-crafting/advertising spent his last 3 decades AT HARVARD, and died in Cambridge in 1995 at the age of...103. Think his presence there had nothing to do with this long stream of elitist morons we've been saddled with?

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 09:39 AM (hRH92)

517 Shoot, left out his name: Edward Bernays.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 08, 2012 09:44 AM (hRH92)

518

Burping up stilted monologues on the quality of candidates on Fox offers no insight into this election process whatsoever.

 

I've heard better advice from an African Grey.

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2012 10:19 AM (sGykg)

520

Anyone who thinks that Perry's over should look at RCP's SC polls and look at Santorum's numbers. He went from 2% to 24% in a matter of a few polls. Perry is still in this thing! And with him saying things like "Obama's a socialist" he can pull this off!

His tour through SC started today with a crowd of 100 people at the first stop. Politico has the story and I believe they even called them "enthusiastic".

GO PERRY!

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