Let is burn.

Give Obama and the Democrats what they wanted: sequestration.  The whole idea of sequestration started with Obama's White House.  Democrats lauded it.

So give it to them.

Give the wealthy who voted for Obama what they wanted - higher taxes.

Give the middle- and lower-class minorities and women who overwhelmingly voted for Obama want they wanted - higher taxes.

Maybe the electorate will so pissed off with higher taxes and a crappy economy that they will kick the Dems out of the Senate in 2014.

Again, the position the Repubs need to take is the inversion of this:  spending cuts this year, then , if realized, tax increase the next.   Why not?   Timmy can just borrow more money until the tax increase kicks in the following year.  With interest rates near 0 it matters little. [PS:   I am against all tax increases; just let rich libs put $ where mouth is and give in excess of their tax return.]

 Tax hikes for future cuts?

 I've seen this movie. The bad guys win.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 01:00 PM (Hx5uv)

Nuke it in orbit.

http://www.speaker.gov/contact/

Let him have it.

Fuck it.  The House GOP needs to abstain, give the Democrats a quorum, and allow them to pass the tax hike on the "filthy rich" with only Democrat votes.  It's a strategic retreat, not a surrender. 

There is another recession coming and Obama knows it.  He's looking for a goat because blaming Bush after "turning the corner" will not be credible.  The MSM-DNC messaging machine begins with Lauer and ends with Leno - all day, every day.  The only way to break through on who is responsible for this economy is to make the MSM-DNC blaming of the GOP utterly incredible.

Fauxsis, this is.

If you don't know what to do, the best bet is do nothing.

Republicans should do nothing.

LiB.

If we can just get Mel Reynolds elected, all of these problems will just disappear.

You mean if we can just get  Mal  Reynolds elected...

Cap'n R, Negotiator:http://tinyurl.com/c6cxrh

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 29, 2012 01:01 PM (Y5I9o)

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Ha.   Fuck THAT.

New Country.  It's the only way.

Vote "Present."

Make the Dems own it.

Let.  It.  Burn.

Ace you're hilarious.  A day or so after excoriating conservatives for calling out RINOs, you're calling out a RINO.

Irregardless, American voters deserve to get what they elected.  So I say let Mitch give it to 'em, but good.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 29, 2012 01:14 PM (UK9cE)

  Where's the martians when you need them? Ack Dak...

This thread needs the Cliffhanger / Yodel Song from the Price is Right. 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDIRDt3eGRs

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On autoplay.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 29, 2012 01:14 PM (nELVU)

You ain't creating a new country with the GOP.  They are unwilling to say bad things in public about the president, let alone secede.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 01:15 PM (FfbyM)

Oh, my, yes.  That's the spirit.  And we'll be here to catch you.  We've been making "contingency" plans.

Posted by: Gerry at November 29, 2012 01:17 PM (xmffn)

I think it makes the HQ sound all cultured and European and shit.

Posted by: Born Free at November 29, 2012 01:16 PM (jnJcf)

Simpleisme.

96 Fire doesn't lie, ever.

Burn it down.

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Yep.

But I will miss the liquor stores...and the drug stores.

Life without alcohol or drugs will be hard.

"You don't like the fact you can't find a job and your unemployment just ran out? That can't be true. You MUST like it because you just VOTED for it."

I'm going to be saying that a lot the next 4 years.

I've been rehearsing something in the mirror lately: "Hmm, that's  too bad. Did you vote for Obama? You did? Then you got what you voted for.  Have a nice life."

(To be sung by children, K-12, every morning of their seven-day school week.)*

The State is my shepherd,

I shall not want.

It makes me lie down in federally owned pastures.

It leads me beside quiet waters in banned fishing areas.

It restores my soul through its control.

It guides me in the path of dependency for its namesake.

Even though our nation plunges into the valley of the shadow of debt,

I will fear no evil,

For Barack will be with me.

The Affordable Care Act and food stamps,

They comfort me.

You prepare a table of Michelle Obama approved foods before me in the presence of my Conservative and Libertarian enemies.

You anoint my head with hemp oil;

My government regulated 16-ounce cup overflows.

Surely mediocrity and an entitlement mentality will follow me

All the days of my life,

And I will dwell in a low-rent HUD home forever and ever.

Amen.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 29, 2012 01:19 PM (feFL6)

In the short run it doesn't.   In the long run, when there's no money to give out because there's no one who can pay taxes anymore, that's when the free shit army starts to take it in the shorts.   Mad Max and Thunderdome, here we come!

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 01:17 PM (Hx5uv)

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Nope.  Then the R's get blame for taking their ball and going home. 

Draft legislation giving Obama what he wants.... name the damn bill after him.   Make a speech about how elections matter and Obama deserves to get his way.  Give it name like we did Obamacare......  Barack O-budget... I dont care.   Hang what he wants around his neck.

>>>The 70% Jewish vote for Obama, for example.

We  encompass  2% of the US population. 

 I am sure you don't need Amishdude to come along and do that math for you.  

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 29, 2012 01:23 PM (feFL6)

I fear the day, coming soon I'm afraid, (because I'm a cynic) when the bottom tier of the middle-class will look up from busting their asses, at the Free Shit Gang standing in front of them at Wal-Mart and say   ---"fuck it, work is for chumps".

Posted by: soothsayer at November 29, 2012 01:22 PM (jUytm)

Norquist is the new Emmanuel Goldstein. The MFM is running its 2 minutes of hate on him quite a bit lately

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:29 PM (Dnbau)

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Too fucking late.  That train has left and is moving too fast to jump off.

Train wreckage will ensue.  Count on it.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:29 PM (Dnbau)

They never want to confront reality. Reality is mean to them. I think they are just too stupid or intellectually lazy to understand reality

Nobody really cares for my ideas, but I'll offer mine anyway.  We need a cynical, despicable, leftist style campaign of fear.  Americans need to FEAR POWER.  This needs to be the central theme in media, entertainment, news, and any conduit we have access to.

Most Americans have no clue who Kim Jong Un is.  They have no idea what life is like in DPRK.  Why isntt this the humanitarian issue of our time?  Doesn't an examination of that situation lead to some conclusions about the dangers of power?  This ought to be our pet cause, for strategic reasons as well as moral.

Provoke conflicts between state and federal authorities, the new marijuana laws are a perfect opportunity.  One-size-fits-all government won't prease the left or the right.  We need to make this apparent for everyone.

Pretend you're a libertarian and scared of a right wing theocray.  Make the point that NOBODY in the federal government, left or right, should have the power to make sweeping laws on abortion or anything else.  In the end, we might rely on the Libetarian party anyway if the Republican image is too tarnished.

Its going to take a lot of wark, swallowing some pride, and several elections but this is the only way out I see.  We need federalism.  Leftists will be leftists, fine so long as we can quarantine their (ond our) bullshit.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:29 PM (Dnbau)

A first the idiots    of the     Free Shit Army will turn their frustration and agression on their perceived oppressors, the so-called     "Rich    People."   In their pea brains, "Rich People" will be anyone who    appears to be even marginally better off than they are, regardless of reason.     It doesn't matter if you bought a new car because you're a member of the Kennedy Clan or because you saved and scrimped for ten years to be able to buy a current year model -- either way, you will be viewed as "the Rich."    The FSA will attack your home, your person, your belongings.  You will be looted and mugged and probably killed as     they take your     earthly wares.

Eventually they'll run out of "Rich People" to target, and they'll turn their attention to The Government.  At first The Government will be able to mobilize some kind of military action against the violent riots and aggression of the Free Shit Army, but there will simply be too many of them.    Washington will fall and the FSA will pile into the Oval Office and say, "WOO-HOO!  Now we can have all the money, food, and free shit we want!"

Then they'll try to call out for pizza, only to realize that there's no one left who knows how to make pizza anymore.  

This makes me laugh:

Katy Perry and other artists, including Ludacris, Britney Spears, Rihanna, Cee Lo Green, Sheryl Crow, Maroon 5, Pink Floyd and Rush...have joined up with Grover Norquist to oppose the 'Internet Radio Fairness Act'.

Hah!

This 'Internet Radio Fairness Act' would hit recording artists in the pocket, by artificially limiting their earnings.

It's a Dem-sponsored proposal.

Link to story at Breitbart in my nic.

Posted by: RWC at November 29, 2012 01:38 PM (fWAjv)

And 10 people nod their support. Make that 9 one was just nodding off

McConnell's mode of thought:

1. Tax hikes.

2. Obama's promise not to allow something unfortunate to happen in my mouth.

3. Winning!

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hacking Soledad's earpiece at November 29, 2012 01:41 PM (GBXon)

Anyone with any kind of skill, from being able to sew to being able to make fire without matches, will be forced into service of the Free Shit Army.   So it will be in the best interest of anyone with knowledge of skills to keep their traps shut and feign dumb.   Anyone who is perceived as having intelligence -- someone who was once a teacher, for example,   or a government employee     -- will either show the trogs of the Free Shit Army how to make the lights work, or they'll be disposed of.   

Posted by: wheatie at November 29, 2012 01:39 PM (CM59X)

So Tits Perry loved her some Barry and his socialism but now she's howling because it's going to hit her bank account. Hypocrites

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2012 01:44 PM (1Jaio)

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Soooo..... why is Norquist opposing this bill????   Somebody get him a LIB button and put that bill on a fast track...

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 29, 2012 01:45 PM (3Y7RV)

MFM: Vacation, what vacation? George Bush at his ranch!!! George Bush at his ranch!!! George Bush at his ranch!!! George Bush at his ranch!!!

NEWSFLASH:

Obama doesn't give a shit about raising taxes...

This is all a charade.

Did we have an opportunity to KILL obamacare in the Senate by keeping a filibuster going over the holidays.  If so, and we didn't do it, that is unfuckingforgiveable...

ONe of these days, I'd love Charlie Brown to take a run at that football, but before he goes to kick it    only to      have Lucy pull it away,     I want him to stop short, pull out a    knife/gun/syringe full of rat poison, and tell Lucy, "You know what?  You get to kick the fucking football this time, you bitch."  

Then he pulls the football away and shoots her anyway, because fuck her, that's why.

(Can you tell I've long had an irrational dislike of Lucy?   it goes along with my seething hatred of Tweety Bird.)

Posted by: Queen Michelle at November 29, 2012 01:22 PM (wIgpo)

It doesn't taste like chicken, that's for sure. . .

233....So Tits Perry loved her some Barry and his socialism but now she's howling because it's going to hit her bank account. Hypocrites

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2012 01:44 PM (1Jaio)

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Yah. Don't you love it?

The entertainers who campaigned for Barky...are now looking to Conservatives to 'save them' from the socialist policies that will hurt them.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hacking Soledad's earpiece at November 29, 2012 01:48 PM (GBXon)

And I will laugh, and laugh, and laugh, and laugh...

Step up and spell out exactly what you want cut, GOP. But of course they won't. Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 01:50 PM (t1NLo)

It goes without saying, they'd like to remain uncontested in their primaries, and today's inside stock tips.  Everything else is some Kabuki show Pelosi came up with.

Hopefully, the Moron Horde will have left town a long time ago, for the safety of the hills with plenty of ammo and rifles with scopes.

Oh, I'm sure we will have.   We'll have to cluster together, though.   Better fortification that way.

I'm sure most of teh FSAers will stay in their ghettoes and knife each other for cheese and crackers.   But there will be the militant few -- those who wear their Che t-shirts while standing in the unemployment line, or who stand in front of polling stations in jackboots with black berets and billy clubs -- who will prefer a more hands on approach.    And since the FSAers in the ghettoes are a bunch of idiot sheep, they'll let themselves be conscripted into the jackbooted, goose-stepping Free Shit Army Proper, because they'll be promised money and shiny things and all the free poontang they could ever want.  

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 29, 2012 01:40 PM (SY2Kh)

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Fuck you  and  your  smugness Hollowpoint.   We have no idea  how the electorate would vote having a true conservative as a candidate.  People like you  have precluded us from running any conservatives since the 80's.

You're part of the problem. 

What is WIC?

It stands for "Women, Infants and Children."   It's basically assistance for single mothers.    What about single fathers?    Fuck them, that's what.

Posted by: fluffy, southerner at November 29, 2012 01:55 PM (z9HTb)

*looks up from sharpening knife*   Who, me?   I'm a    pillar of justice and good will, dammit.   I'm so angelic I could dance on the head of a fucking PIN!

FUCK YOU OLAF.

Cut the fucking welfare, and cut it hard.  Cut Section 8 housing to the fucking bone.  Section 8 and chronic welfare should be front and center on pubs list of things to cut.

How about the dhimmis, I mean, demorats.  What are they gonna do?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 01:55 PM (HDgX3)

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Dont even try Moo.   They.Dont.Get.It.

The only way they might understand is when the whole thing collapses and EVERYTHING goes to ZERO..... maybe they might get get it then..... but I doubt it.  

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 01:43 PM (LRFds)

Sven, I have no idea what you mean by 'run red.'  

If I assume it means somehow support the GOP, that's been a dismal failure.  That's a fact.  It isn't future-casting like your guarantees of a third party defeat.

It's time for a new group to step up.  Once it does, I suspect the GOP will melt away and we'll have basically the Republican party with new leadership and a clean slate.  I base this on the fact that it's happened before historically.

Time and again history has shown us that the GOP does not win any policy victories.  I see no reason to keep pursuing that strategy because of fear that we might 'really' lose with a 'pure' party.  We are losing with this abominable whore-party.

If I'm going to lose, I'll lose with my principles instead of looking sad and pathetic like Scott Brown.

Posted by: Warden at November 29, 2012 01:57 PM (nmqlp)

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It'll be the same shit, different year.  Rush is right.  What's happening in DC right now is nothing but theater.

283...Will they search my trailer?

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2012 01:57 PM (z9HTb)

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Yeah, and you can't take your firearms with you into Canada.

They even took our pepper spray, the time we went there.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 29, 2012 01:59 PM (tVTLU)

Nobody's going to cut anything. The lifers in government know better. Either party. You get reelected by giving people things.

I suspect it's because he's not a fascist.

The premise of the bill is that paying royalties--you know, compensating the people most responsible for making the stuff that gets sold--is such an unjust and innovation-stifling *cost* to giant media companies, that the government needs to step in and save them from having to pay it (to the degree that they even do pay it, which, as anyone in the business knows, is minimal).

Norq's right. And so is Katy Perry. The bill's a massive stolen-goods gift to Big Media. The people who sell *their* work via Big Media--not people who *work for* Big Media, who just have regularly paid jobs--is who'd get fucked. Worse than they already do.

It's absolutely vile. And if you doubt that it is, look up who supports it.

Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 02:01 PM (GQ8sn)

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There'll be a lot of chanting, though.  And uptwinkles.

Oh the economy is frightful

But obama is so delightful

The voters show no concern

Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn

Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 02:04 PM (GQ8sn)

It's the ginger in me.   Sometimes it just takes control and I have to go drink one of the souls I have on ice.

The gop wants obama to move first because regardless of what you guys here "believe" (like the unskewed polls a few weeks back) cutting entitlements is enormously unpopular.

Yes.  We know.   Everyone knows cutting entitlements is unpopular, and we all know it's the only thing that will have any effect on our fiscal survival.   That's why entitlement reform has always been the "third rail" of politics.  

Hence, LIB.

Posted by: Hard Right at November 29, 2012 02:05 PM (uhftQ)

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   Thread winner!

But you go ahead an be consistently wrong while I get proven right again and again.

This election was the perfect 'electability' republican's fantasy - a moderate Republican with a great business record ran a campaign on the economy and jobs.  He stuck to those issues and raised tons of money.

It was a spectacular failure.

If you think continuing that strategy is a good idea, I don't think you are being proven right over and over.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 29, 2012 02:05 PM (SY2Kh)

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You've just proven my point.

Tubal:

This is simply not true...  We are so overwhelmed by the Free Shit Army argument and the LIB crowd, that WE ARE MISSING THE FUCKING POINT.

Examine the facts.  We lost hispanic vote in a big way.  Immediately everyone is pro amnesty until we understand that immigration had NOTHING to do with how they voted.

Same thing with the "FSA".  We FUCKING OWN MISSISSIPPI, ALABAMA, ARKANSAS.

Those states have very high black populations and a shit ton of poverty across the board.

40% of welfare IS IN ONE FUCKING STATE, CALIFORNIA. 

Telling the welfare junkies to fuck off IS ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR POLITICAL POSITIONS THAT ANYONE, AND I MEAN ANYONE, CAN ESPOUSE.

And I mean the true welfare (not SS, not Medicare).  WINNING!!!

Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 02:08 PM (t1NLo)

Oh, isn't that you, Jon?   Hi!    Done fucking your mother?

Anyway, as I was saying, why must it be on the Republicans, and only the Republicans, to propose spending cuts?  If Obama and the Democrats want    their tax      increases, I find it curious that not one of them will go on the record as saying, "Here, we'll give you a trillion in cuts here, here, here, and here, effective    immediately."   Would that be so hard for them to do?  Hmm?

But that's right.   Entitlement cuts are political suicide, and the democrats are     as big a bunch of pussies as the Republicans.   

let it burn.   

The gop is too cowardly to say out loud which exact cuts they want to make. Because it is political suicide.

No shit, dogfucker.  You apparently suffer from the delusion that this place is a bastion of love and support for the GOP.

Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 02:04 PM (t1NLo)

First sensible thing you've said.  Hope that thought keeps you warm at night when you're selling your bone marrow to afford the downpayment on a carbon-neutral quartz heater.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 29, 2012 02:13 PM (zF6Iw)

It's t1NLo, aka Jon, the troll from    during    the campaign.   He's taken a break from being fucked up the ass by his uncle to come here a pule.    I    guess that means the Dems are worried about what the GOP might be planning, so they've sent out their whoredogs to suss out the feeling of the GOP "base."

We have it because Mitch McConnell decided it "wasn't the right time for a real political confrontation" and so put it off into the future. And now that that moment's here, surprise surprise, they're looking to concede, again and delay the actual confrontation until later, again.

Ahh, now we're getting it.

The republicans will never, ever ever actually fight. They want what the democrats want, they just don't want credit for wanting it.

Which is just as well. Burn it down. MOAR spending. 2nd star to the right and straight on until default/hyperinflation.

The Establishment had many of the same concerns and doubts about Romney and his electoral chances that you and I did. That's why they were desperately trying to find someone else to fill the gap- remember the big effort by GOP insiders to convince Daniels to run? That wasn't being done out of confidence in Romney's electability.

The RNC was touting Mitt as their candidate in December of 2011.  There was that RNC woman who famously said he was their guy.  They were in his corner early into the process.

The post by Erickson over at Redstate (yeah, I know) does point out the incestuous relationship between consultants, the RNC, and Mitt's campaign.  This was their campaign, where Romney made all the 'correct' moves but still lost. 

Hell, how many times did we hear people assure us that the debt ceiling vote in August 2011 'guaranteed' our electoral victory?  How many times were we told to just 'listen' to Boehner because, electability?

These people have been wrong about everything.  2012 proved they didn't know what they were talking about.

I have no confidence in our leadership or their strategies.  It is time for a new approach, but the GOP is committed to John Boehner.  That's a commitment to failure.  There's no point in standing behind it.

Everyone who's advocating the position of "let the Democrats own it - THEN everyone will come around to our way of thinking" are missing something. Everyone DID see what Obama and Democrats have done since 2008 - they owned it - and a majority of voters put them all back in office.

Saw it.  Never felt it.  That's what I'm counting on.  That smug asshole Obamafellators like olaf (BIRM) feel the economy go medieval on their buttocks.  If it takes the single mother mentioned upthread losing her job before Christmas, running out of unemployment bennies and having to offer cut-price handjobs on the exit ramp to afford clean underwear for her kid to wake the hell up, then that's what I want.

You voted Obama because it felt good?  Great.  Now it's time for you to feel something else.  Good and hard.  LiB.

Well, that's the problem. The GOP isn't in a position of strength. Not when they only hold a House majority.

Posted by: Howie Kurtz at November 29, 2012 02:48 PM (SY2Kh)

Uh... you do realize that without the consent of the House, the government can spend NO MONEY?  Bills MUST pass the House...

Posted by: torquewrench at November 29, 2012 02:15 PM (ymG7s)

And that deal was not even real CUTS.... it was Cuts in Growth...

The Government has NEVER actualy decreased it total cost in modern times.

If you can't fight now-- when the next elections are two years away -- when precisely would be a politically opportune time to fight?"

Ronald Reagan: "If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand—the ultimatum. And what then—when Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we're retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the final ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary, because by that time we will have been weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically."