December 18, 2012
— DrewM Democrats were for raising the income floor for tax hikes before they were against it.
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney issued a statement saying the president remains willing to work with Republicans to reach a bipartisan solution to the fiscal cliff and he is “hopeful” they will.The president, however, “is not willing to accept a deal that doesn’t ask enough of the very wealthiest in taxes and instead shifts the burden to the middle class and seniors,” Carney said. “The Speaker’s ‘Plan B’ approach doesn’t meet this test because it can’t pass the Senate and therefore will not protect middle class families, and does little to address our fiscal challenges with zero spending cuts.”
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., was also swift to reject the plan.
“It will not protect middle-class families because it cannot pass both Houses of Congress. The Senate bill is the only ‘plan B’ that can be signed into law and prevent taxes from rising by $2,200 on the average middle-class family,” Reid said in a statement. “Now is the time to show leadership, not kick the can down the road. Speaker Boehner should focus his energy on forging a large-scale deficit reduction agreement. It would be a shame if Republicans abandoned productive negotiations due to pressure from the Tea Party, as they have time and again.”
Not asking "the rich to pay enough"? Obama ran on raising the taxes of "millionaires and billionaires". Suddenly $200K-$999K makes you "a millionaire".
Boehner's plan to only raise taxes on people making a million a year can't pass the Senate? Hey Ripper Reid, it already has.
Oh and the White Houses line of bull about their not being spending cuts (as if they care about that)? More bull. Plan B leaves sequestration in place, so there are your spending cuts.
From a Republican perspective Boehner's Plan B is a pretty strong play. The GOP won't technically be voting to raise taxes (they'll just let current law, the expiration of the Bush rates, take its course) but will be protecting a lot more people from tax hikes.
From a "Let It Burn" perspective, it's a terrible idea. Anything that plays into the myth that all we need is a little tweak in revenue and some relatively minor spending cuts to pull us out of our entitlement and spending death spiral, is simply a band aid that will only make the inevitable reckoning that much worse.
But no one expects Boehner, or any elected leader, to be a Let It Burn guy. They are just trying to kick the can down the road long enough for someone else to be in the hot seat when it all comes down.
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Posted by: beach'in at December 18, 2012 10:39 AM (LpQbZ)
As I said this morning Boner will sell us out, except now it is evident that Obama doesn't want a sell-out.
Posted by: Vic at December 18, 2012 10:39 AM (53z96)
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at December 18, 2012 10:40 AM (3j5KI)
Posted by: 80sBaby at December 18, 2012 10:40 AM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: 80sBaby at December 18, 2012 10:41 AM (YjDyJ)
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., was also swift to reject the plan.
“It will not protect middle-class families because it cannot pass both Houses of Congress.WTF?
He's saying he won't vote for it because it's a bad bill, but the only reason it's a bad bill is because he won't vote on it?
That's it. I've had it. I think I'm going to go commit suicide by holding my breath until the MSM calls Reid out for his ridiculous circular reasoning.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 18, 2012 10:41 AM (SY2Kh)
Raise taxes on rich lawyers (>$100K) and eliminate Hollywood tax breaks. If it's class warfare, we have our own arsenal.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 18, 2012 10:41 AM (xSegX)
Posted by: Jon Jon Boner at December 18, 2012 10:42 AM (jucos)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 18, 2012 10:42 AM (QdVWw)
Posted by: Weepy Boehner at December 18, 2012 10:42 AM (Y5I9o)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 18, 2012 10:42 AM (79ueO)
They act as if this is an immutable law of physics, not something they themselves decide.
Lying fuckhoses.
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 18, 2012 10:42 AM (JACEX)
Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at December 18, 2012 10:43 AM (QupBk)
Let's just go over the fiscal cliff. Sure, it will crush the life out of the already moribund economy, but it does (sort of) reduce the deficit. All those jackasses who voted for Obama need to know that this is what he's all about: higher taxes on everyone.
Let it burn.
Posted by: OSUsux at December 18, 2012 10:43 AM (DFXmi)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 18, 2012 10:43 AM (/g5vp)
This is crap. He should be forcibly shaved and marched into the courtroom.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 18, 2012 10:43 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: AmishDude at December 18, 2012 10:43 AM (xSegX)
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 18, 2012 10:44 AM (hyB08)
Posted by: No, but seriously at December 18, 2012 10:44 AM (UhXzR)
Posted by: Captain Hate
I would, but I might upset myself. I'm upsetting myself just thinking about it!
*sobs, runs out of room*
Posted by: John 'Waterworks' Boehner at December 18, 2012 10:44 AM (BrQrN)
STATE WHAT IT IS YOU WANT SPECIFICALLY AND WE WILL PASS IT!
The American people have spoken, they now must be punished!
Posted by: General Woundwort at December 18, 2012 10:44 AM (RrD4h)
Go long in marshmallows.
Posted by: fluffy, now with hot tips! at December 18, 2012 10:45 AM (4pSIn)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 18, 2012 10:45 AM (QdVWw)
That's the problem. There is no hot seat, unless you're talking about the tight cheeked young female staffers in every office.
Just a lot of looting going on.
Full time.
Posted by: ontherocks at December 18, 2012 10:45 AM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 18, 2012 10:45 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: Badger in KC at December 18, 2012 10:46 AM (/Mtjv)
Posted by: Tears of John's Boehner at December 18, 2012 10:46 AM (BgIBZ)
lol!
Yeah, everyone knows the WH is super-keen on spending cuts! That's why in his proposal, Il Choom asked for $80B in more spending.
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 18, 2012 10:46 AM (JACEX)
This just in: Harry Reid can go play a nice rousing game of hide and go fuck yourself.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 18, 2012 10:46 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 18, 2012 10:47 AM (79ueO)
Or, just spitballin' here, maybe Boehner is trying to delay the truly catastrophic long enough for the American people to come to their senses.
Posted by: pep at December 18, 2012 10:47 AM (USJNU)
What was all that talk about "millionaires and billionaires"? Did he really mean incomes much much lower than that?
Posted by: Tom at December 18, 2012 10:47 AM (wBro8)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 18, 2012 10:48 AM (HDgX3)
Sorry wrong thread, I thought this was pre-election gaming.
Posted by: sock off at December 18, 2012 10:48 AM (UhXzR)
Posted by: beach'in at December 18, 2012 10:48 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Tears of John's Boehner
Thread winner
Posted by: Eric Clapton at December 18, 2012 10:49 AM (4pSIn)
Posted by: weeping boner at December 18, 2012 10:49 AM (UhXzR)
Yeah, that's gonna happen.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 18, 2012 10:49 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: LibertarianJim (team #letitburn) at December 18, 2012 10:49 AM (WDCYi)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 18, 2012 10:49 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 18, 2012 10:49 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Tom at December 18, 2012 02:47 PM (wBro
At no time do the fingers ever leave the hand!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 18, 2012 10:50 AM (Cnqmv)
OK. Then what?
1. Boehner is replaced as Speaker.
2. ???????
3. Winning!
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 18, 2012 10:50 AM (SY2Kh)
Put some Cobalt 60 in his cell and it'll take care of itself.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 18, 2012 10:51 AM (81UWZ)
Posted by: Stagger Lee fluffy at December 18, 2012 10:51 AM (4pSIn)
Posted by: © Sponge at December 18, 2012 10:51 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 18, 2012 10:52 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 18, 2012 10:52 AM (QdVWw)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at December 18, 2012 10:52 AM (nZvGM)
Posted by: JPS at December 18, 2012 10:53 AM (yv7DK)
Except the end of the road is getting awfully close.
There is an old rule taught to aspiring doctors about diagnostics, to wit: "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras."
When I myself hear hoofbeats these days, I don't think of horses or or zebras. I think of bond market vigilantes. The same bond market vigilantes who took down Greece. They are saddled up and on their way here, make no mistake about it.
The "point of no return" on the debt to GDP ratio is generally reckoned to be 120%. Beyond that, everyone who has tried it has ended up in a death spiral of incurring new debt simply to pay the interest on old debt.
The USA is currently at about 104% debt to GDP.
Barkynomics has added about 6% a year to that total in each of the last three years and there are no grounds to expect that will change or improve in the next three.
Which means that, before the end of Obama's second term, we are going to reach and pass that "point of no return" on the debt. Well before that happens, I expect the bond market vigilantes to show up with further US sovereign debt ratings downgrades and the like, that will force interest rates to rise no matter what The Benbernank does.
Of course, this fragile recessioncovery we have now is barely staying going even with interest rates this low. One serious uptick in rates and it's game over, man, game over.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 18, 2012 10:53 AM (ymG7s)
Pass Plan B and let Harry Reid refuse to vote on it. If Harry Reid's circular logic is the best excuse Dems can come up with not to pass it, they are well on their way to owning this economy in everyone's eyes - even the uninformed half-wits who voted for their boss.
Let's go over the cliff. It can't be any worse than letting Obama and the Dems have everything they want.
Posted by: DRayRaven at December 18, 2012 10:54 AM (9wR2B)
Posted by: polynikes at December 18, 2012 10:54 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 18, 2012 02:49 PM (VtjlW)
Step 1: Pick up phone.......
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 18, 2012 10:54 AM (da5Wo)
atc, (socking IAMAH) I hate you and your stupid recipe. I'll get you for that. I actually wanted a recipe.
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 18, 2012 10:54 AM (UhXzR)
Posted by: JDTAY at December 18, 2012 10:55 AM (a0nis)
Posted by: Dept. of Transportation at December 18, 2012 10:55 AM (/Mla1)
We find your naive innocence amusing.
Posted by: The MSM Gatekeepers at December 18, 2012 10:56 AM (SY2Kh)
If you earn any money you're going to be considered a millionaire and have to pay your "fair" share.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 18, 2012 10:57 AM (1Jaio)
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Meh....
Suddenly "Bush's Tax Cuts For the Wealthy" will crush the middle class if allowed to expire.
The Lefty Meme's...... I cant keep up.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2012 10:57 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: JPS at December 18, 2012 10:57 AM (yv7DK)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 10:57 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: walter at December 18, 2012 10:58 AM (MWl/u)
Posted by: JPS at December 18, 2012 02:53 PM (yv7DK)
_____________________________________
Was it this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 18, 2012 10:58 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: RWC at December 18, 2012 10:58 AM (fWAjv)
Have Boehner go out there and say he will pass whatever the Senate Dems and Obama want as long as they put the proposal in writing first.
What do Reid and Obama want? All I know is that they are against everything proposed by the Party of Stupid.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 18, 2012 10:58 AM (X/+QT)
It really is starting to sound like Barky and the Pederast know that the only fiscally-sane option they won't get vilified for by the legions of mouthbreathing pinheads who make up their clientele is in fact the "fiscal cliff" ... and if they "choose" that option, they can make the Republicans look like the guilty party.
You have to assume against all evidence that Dems actually give a flying fuck about fiscal sanity, of course.
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 18, 2012 10:58 AM (JACEX)
Screw the Speaker of the House, he ain't gtting the message.
In other news just 4 days to a certain Mayan death and 6 more shopping days till Christmas.
With this damn bronchitus I am not a happy person and high blood pressure means I can't be abnormally cranky lest something bad happen. I suspect its time to slip off into the bunker and wait, just like I did when Y2K was predicted. This time I'll have more alcohol on hand.
Posted by: Gmac at December 18, 2012 10:58 AM (IanLz)
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 18, 2012 10:59 AM (UhXzR)
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at December 18, 2012 10:59 AM (3j5KI)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 18, 2012 11:00 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: walter at December 18, 2012 02:58 PM (MWl/u)
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No walter...... When I fall down, everybody gets crushed together.
Posted by: The Dollar at December 18, 2012 11:00 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Roy at December 18, 2012 11:00 AM (tiOTz)
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 11:01 AM (t1NLo)
Posted by: Choo Choo Joe at December 18, 2012 11:01 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at December 18, 2012 11:01 AM (OL4L4)
Posted by: Al at December 18, 2012 11:01 AM (V70Uh)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 11:01 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: JPS at December 18, 2012 02:53 PM (yv7DK)"
I wish I could say that I was surprised a Dem would say that.
"Living expenses, how do they work?"
Posted by: BS Inc. at December 18, 2012 11:02 AM (eP0u9)
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 18, 2012 11:02 AM (UhXzR)
He successfully held his majority despite Republicans losing ground in the Senate, and Obama winning re-election. What sure fire political firebrand is up to the task of
1. Maintaining that Majority
2. Stopping Obama
Given that replacing Boehner will put this new speaker at a huge disadvantage?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 11:03 AM (0q2P7)
OK. The Senate won't pass it. Then what?
(I think I'm just going to start replying to every dumb comment with "OK, then what?")
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 18, 2012 11:03 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Olaff at December 18, 2012 11:03 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: dscott at December 18, 2012 11:03 AM (EYzt8)
http://tinyurl.com/bvvaghf
The two class society - Taxpayers and Congress
http://tinyurl.com/cymv8n2
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 18, 2012 11:03 AM (QdVWw)
Just pass the 'tax cut for 98%' and go home for the holidays. The other side WANTS the cliff, give it to them. Make sure every repub answers every question with "we passed a tax cut for 98% of American taxpayers". Nothing else, no matter what the question is. Ad nauseum.
Done.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2012 11:03 AM (n/ubI)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 18, 2012 11:04 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 11:04 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 18, 2012 11:04 AM (UhXzR)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 02:57 PM (sbV1u)
Our earlier convo about how I played ball? Well, if you know anything about baseball players, its that they're extremely superstitious. Almost all players, especially pitchers, won't step on the foul lines as they come on or off the field. I purposely stomped directly on the line every single time. Guy asked me about it one time. "Aren't you superstitious? Don't you know that's bad luck?" "Screw that. I make my own fucking luck."
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 18, 2012 11:05 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 18, 2012 11:05 AM (UhXzR)
Nobody there gives a shit other than making sure their personal wealth and that of very loyal donors is protected and enhanced
“When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.” — P.J. O'Rourke.
Posted by: kbdabear at December 18, 2012 11:06 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Choomin' Sting at December 18, 2012 11:06 AM (xAtAj)
64You guys confuse me. Do you want Bohner to give Obama what he wants and let it burn or do you want him to negotiate better? Right now you seem to want the impossible and want both.
Posted by: polynikes at December 18, 2012 02:54 PM (m2CN7)
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There isn't a unified theory of Let it Burn...so yes, it is confusing.
Personally, I am in the 'let all the tax cuts expire + don't raise the Debt Limit' camp.
Posted by: wheatie at December 18, 2012 11:06 AM (K4wCe)
http://tinyurl.com/bvvaghf
Inflation-adjusted, they had a $474 billion deficit that year.
How quaint.
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 18, 2012 11:06 AM (JACEX)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 11:07 AM (pshT9)
Posted by: pep at December 18, 2012 02:47 PM
"pep" make funny joke!
Boner is simply looking for a way to show his buddyroos in D.C. that he is willing to go along to get along. Whatever keeps the good times rollin' in the land of perks and enhancements to his income is just fine with him. If his friends across the aisle want it, and threaten to take away his cocktail parties and fancy feasts if he were to do something stupid (like be responsible, just for once), he's on it, baby!
It doesn't matter what we want. It's all about keeping Choom Boy happy and grabbing every last piece of pork.
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at December 18, 2012 11:07 AM (yKUrR)
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Is that what you say just before you drop out, move to a yurt in the woods, and shit in a bucket?
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 18, 2012 11:07 AM (hyB08)
Posted by: 80sBaby at December 18, 2012 11:08 AM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 18, 2012 03:05 PM (UhXzR)
He's not negotiating with Obama. He's negotiating with the electorate. Even I can see that. It just looks like he's negotiating with Obama.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 11:08 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 11:08 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 18, 2012 11:08 AM (gvWL9)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 11:08 AM (sbV1u)
Just announce that the House has passed a budget, hell they passed one last year too. So until the Senate (not POTUS) moves a budget bill of their own the conference debate can't start. Therefore, quoting Eric Cartman, "Screw you guys! We are going home. Merry Christmas guys, see ya next year."
Then board planes and leave town. Make no House Republicans available for media interviews. Dead silence. The focus would then have to move to Reid since he would be the only story. Within a week he would call Boner and offer him ANYTHING in exchange for a CR. And Obama would sign it.
Reid can't open debate on a budget. Not won't, can't. It would be electoral suicide and he knows it. When we have the strong hand why do we refuse to play it, instead allowing our enemy to write a narrative where we can only choose how we want to lose?
Posted by: John Morris at December 18, 2012 11:09 AM (YhRJW)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 11:09 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 03:01 PM (t1NLo)
_______________________
The Confederacy had 30 states? Cuz 30 is the number of states with Republican governors.
I also didn't know Utah, Wyoming, The Dakotas, Idaho, Indiana, Nebraska and Kansas were slave states.
I knew there was liberal math where 1+1=8. I didn't know there was liberal history as well. Now I know.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 18, 2012 11:09 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: JDTAY at December 18, 2012 02:55 PM (a0nis)
I prefer "President Pantload," myself.
Posted by: tcn at December 18, 2012 11:10 AM (ZOUmX)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 11:10 AM (sbV1u)
Sigh... so we're busy screaming about Boehner caving over tax increases for the "rich", but what we really want is for him to cave even more with tax increases on everybody?
The best possible outcome is a $100 billion cut in discretionary spending (a tenth of the deficit) and a massive tax increase, with the GOP taking the blame?
OK. Then what?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 18, 2012 11:10 AM (SY2Kh)
(sitting bolt upright with raised hand)
Oh! Oh! I know! I know! Call on me!
The answer is, Governor Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown of the People's Soviet Socialist Republic of Commiefornia.
Parenthetically, the Obama IRS has now ceased to publish certain data sets which the IRS had provided to the public for decades previously. Which data would those be?
Information on taxpayer relocation within the USA, from where to where, sorted by income.
Because it was becoming very clear that taxpayers with significant incomes are starting to steadily relocate out of blue state tax hells like Moonbeam's Commiefornia, and that's a narrative which the blue powers that be do not want to have noticed and talked about.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 18, 2012 11:11 AM (ymG7s)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 11:11 AM (QupBk)
It takes 2 minutes per call, 6 minutes in total to voice your opinion. And yes they do listen to CALLS. Emails, they don't give a fuck about so don't waste your time with those.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 18, 2012 11:11 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: wheatie at December 18, 2012 03:06 PM (K4wCe)
That's what I'm for since the JEF is in the "Just Say No" mode.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at December 18, 2012 11:12 AM (3j5KI)
Posted by: Golan Globus at December 18, 2012 11:12 AM (7vSU0)
Posted by: The Dollar at December 18, 2012 03:00 PM (nELVU)"
Well, for sure the 90% of Dems who, unknowingly, are actually just being kept around by the most hardcore and politically-connected Dems as useful idiots will be crushed when you fall.
It's too bad Lenin didn't do a survey of those he considered useful idiots to see what proportion of them thought of themselves that way. I bet not a single one saw it coming. If they did, they would have opposed him. Yet, his reign of terror did come and swept along millions of assholes like walter who thought they were so fucking important that they'd actually live to see the revolution fulfill its historical destiny rather than just being grist for its mills.
Posted by: BS Inc. at December 18, 2012 11:12 AM (eP0u9)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 18, 2012 11:12 AM (QdVWw)
Posted by: 80sBaby at December 18, 2012 11:12 AM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 18, 2012 11:12 AM (gvWL9)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 18, 2012 11:12 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: beach'in at December 18, 2012 11:13 AM (LpQbZ)
BRB - throwing another income bracket off the back of the troika to slow down the wolves.
Posted by: John "The Last of the Romanovs" Boehner
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 18, 2012 11:13 AM (kdS6q)
You know the question. How much is your share of the national debt?
Posted by: fluffy at December 18, 2012 03:13 PM (4pSIn)
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Olaf is on welfare. Why would he care?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 18, 2012 11:14 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 18, 2012 11:14 AM (gvWL9)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 11:14 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Olaff at December 18, 2012 11:14 AM (fWAjv)
Olaf was truly born yesterday.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 03:10 PM (QupBk)
Well, it's still OK to abort him, then.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at December 18, 2012 11:14 AM (ggRof)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 11:14 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: beach'in at December 18, 2012 11:14 AM (LpQbZ)
He's negotiating with the electorate. Hmmmm?
I don't qite think so. How would one go about doing that. Is he really trying to convince me that doing the opposite of what he was elected to do is in my own best interest. Nah, I'm not buying that.
It may be that he is enjoying the attention that he never got growing up as the second oldest of 12 in a two br shanty in OH. That I could buy.
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 18, 2012 11:14 AM (UhXzR)
I'm not going to make a long, stupid, convoluted prophecy about how we win.
So you're sticking with:
1. Replace Boehner as Speaker
2. ???????
3. Winning!
Got it. Thanks for your valuable input.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 18, 2012 11:15 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Dogbert at December 18, 2012 11:16 AM (jWMIO)
Posted by: Soona at December 18, 2012 11:16 AM (YAYLY)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 18, 2012 11:16 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 18, 2012 11:16 AM (gvWL9)
Posted by: Gmac at December 18, 2012 02:58 PM
I believe the sign of the Fourth Horseman arrives tonight.
Gordon Ramsay's Christmas Cookalong with ... DER HOFF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CIcrFN0wpI
Can't Dr Who step in to stop the apocalypse?
Posted by: kbdabear at December 18, 2012 11:16 AM (wwsoB)
Everyone's taxes are going to go up one way or the other. Why lie about it?
If income taxes don't go up then we'll get a carbon tax or some such.
A European welfare state has to have european tax rates. Growing our way into that is a big fat lie.
Borrowing more and losing even more in interest payments only makes the future suck that much more. Just go proudly over the cliff. It beats the cancer of ever increasing debt.
Posted by: Invictus at December 18, 2012 11:17 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: maddogg at December 18, 2012 11:17 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 11:17 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 18, 2012 11:18 AM (gvWL9)
Does Choom Boy pay taxes on our little $4 mill gift to him?
I didn't think so....
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at December 18, 2012 11:19 AM (yKUrR)
This is crap. He should be forcibly shaved and marched into the courtroom.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 18, 2012 02:43 PM (GoIUi)
By a trained gorilla wielding a straight razor. Finesse not necessary, or even desirable.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 18, 2012 11:20 AM (x6tId)
Posted by: maddogg at December 18, 2012 11:20 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 18, 2012 11:20 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 11:20 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: phreshone at December 18, 2012 11:21 AM (0SXI6)
Otherwise you would know that it is not we who are "regional" it is you.
Your regions are the overcramped urban hell holes where you stuff your welfare slaves to live out bleak lives with no hope. Ours is the rest of the US that wants to stop that.
Oh, and the Northeast. North and East of New York.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 11:21 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 11:21 AM (pshT9)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 18, 2012 11:22 AM (gvWL9)
This is crap. He should be forcibly shaved and marched into the courtroom.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 18, 2012 02:43 PM (GoIUi)By
I'm an expert with a weed wacker, Icould have him looking just like Army regulation in 20 to 30 minutes
Posted by: jake in ID at December 18, 2012 11:22 AM (W6iIX)
The Jets could do worse than Mark Sanchez, but Justin Bieber is busy right now
Posted by: kbdabear at December 18, 2012 11:22 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: 80sBaby at December 18, 2012 11:22 AM (YjDyJ)
You think Obama is getting everything he wants? Lose that majority and find out.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 11:23 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 11:24 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: beach'in at December 18, 2012 11:24 AM (LpQbZ)
131 Personally, I am in the 'let all the tax cuts expire + don't raise the Debt Limit' camp.
Posted by: wheatie at December 18, 2012 03:06 PM (K4wCe)
That's what I'm for since the JEF is in the "Just Say No" mode.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at December 18, 2012 03:12 PM (3j5KI)
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Yep...he's also got his industrial-strength Blamethrower poised to blame everything on the GOP, no matter what.
But returning to the 'Clinton Tax Rates' would explode the worn out slogan of the 'Bush Tax Cuts for the Rich'.
And not raising the Debt Limit would force some spending cuts, one way or another.
Without an increase in the Debt Limit, the Dems would not be able to bail out the brokest blue states.
So the Burn would begin.
Posted by: wheatie at December 18, 2012 11:24 AM (K4wCe)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 18, 2012 11:24 AM (79ueO)
It'll cost more, flying that 747 out and back once for the scowly one and the kids, once for the dog, once again for Barky when he's finally done his tough negotiation, then once for Reggie when Barry gets lonely on Day 2, once more for the golf clubs he forgot back in DC, once to retrieve the pallet of choom and blow accidentally left on the tarmac ...
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 18, 2012 11:24 AM (JACEX)
But will there be a lot of swearing?
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 18, 2012 03:20 PM
Only if Der Hoff sings
Posted by: kbdabear at December 18, 2012 11:24 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: beach'in at December 18, 2012 11:25 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Harry Reid[/i] at December 18, 2012 11:25 AM (+QKfp)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 18, 2012 03:24 PM (79ueO)
Yes. And Yes.
We need better storytellers.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 18, 2012 11:25 AM (X/+QT)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 11:25 AM (pshT9)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 03:20 PM (QupBk)
We are so boned we are becoming a boned singularity. A bonian black hole. We are gonna need a new Big Boned Theory of the massive suck of the inescapable mass of the collapsed galaxy of Boneheim.
We are a new Boniverse.
Posted by: Invictus at December 18, 2012 11:26 AM (OQpzc)
Unfortunately, more than half of America will learn that "racist greedy evil racist Rethuglikkkans won't let us have the salve that Obama wants to give us!"
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 18, 2012 11:26 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 11:26 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 11:26 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 18, 2012 03:24 PM (79ueO)
Yes. And Yes.We need better storytellers.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 18, 2012 03:25 PM
Maybe we could have William Shatner do a "reading" of it on Conan
Posted by: kbdabear at December 18, 2012 11:27 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: 80sBaby at December 18, 2012 11:28 AM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at December 18, 2012 11:28 AM (3j5KI)
Posted by: RWC at December 18, 2012 11:28 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Harry Reid[/i] at December 18, 2012 11:28 AM (+QKfp)
Posted by: redguy at December 18, 2012 11:29 AM (oKH8p)
So the Burn would begin.
Buzzzzz. Obama would usurp the power to up the debt limit from Congress then dare them to impeach him and they wouldn't.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 11:29 AM (0q2P7)
Makes sense to me ...
Posted by: Skeletor "You have to pass it to see what's in it!" Pelosi at December 18, 2012 11:29 AM (JACEX)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 11:30 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: beach'in at December 18, 2012 11:30 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 18, 2012 11:30 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 18, 2012 11:30 AM (XN0LR)
Posted by: redguy at December 18, 2012 11:31 AM (oKH8p)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 11:31 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: wheatie at December 18, 2012 03:24 PM (K4wCe)
I can agree with that. I believe that is the so called fiscal cliff.
Posted by: polynikes at December 18, 2012 11:31 AM (m2CN7)
The American Public, the Electorate is not even paying attention. Show me one cintilla of evidence that honey boo is not the most important thing in the elctorate's collective mind.
Weepy Boner is enjoying the limelight and he is playing in a rigged game with a weak hand.
Regarding what to do, I called and emailed my reps and senators and Boner's office. That is all I can do outside getting a pitchfork and a torch.
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 18, 2012 11:31 AM (UhXzR)
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After McClellan was Ambrose Burnside. Ignoring tonsorial issues, Burnside was worse.
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 18, 2012 11:32 AM (hyB08)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 11:32 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 11:32 AM (pshT9)
Gun Sales Soar In Aftermath Of Newtown Killings
http://tinyurl.com/cw8o8gv
Maybe with the MSM demanding that every last gun be confiscated and banned, people are buying them while they figure they still can
Posted by: kbdabear at December 18, 2012 11:33 AM (wwsoB)
Except the debt continues to ever increase even if we opt for the full cliff.
Ask your doctor if Boned-ium is right for you!
Posted by: torquewrench at December 18, 2012 11:33 AM (ymG7s)
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 18, 2012 11:34 AM (UhXzR)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 11:35 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Golan Globus at December 18, 2012 11:35 AM (7vSU0)
This week the most important thing seems to be dead blonde 6-year-olds, not fat pageant ones.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 18, 2012 11:35 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 11:36 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 03:32 PM (pshT9)
Dude, you are harshing our mellow
No thank you!
Posted by: Choomer #4 at December 18, 2012 11:36 AM (W6iIX)
1. Replacing the speaker will give the media someone new to frame and demonize. Boehner is a set quantity now. We'd have to fight that fight all over again making the new speaker vulnerable.
2. If the Dems replace Pelosi as Minority leader with someone who looks and sounds sane, replacing the speaker will likely result in us losing the majority.
If you are down with those consequences, particularly the very real possibility of losing the house in 2014, then DOWN WITH BOEHNER!!!
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 11:36 AM (0q2P7)
Baraka and his dem minions want to do two things:
1. Destroy the repub party.
2. Destroy this nation's economy.
That really is all there is to this theater.
Posted by: Soona at December 18, 2012 11:36 AM (YAYLY)
Posted by: walter at December 18, 2012 02:58 PM (MWl/u)
No, Walter. We're not wrong on any of the major issues (or any of the lesser issues, if it comes to that), but you are right that President Obama, since he's President, will more or less have his way for awhile, but only for awhile, and then events will largely be out of his--or anyone's--control. Not even the sudden, explosive growth of the energy industry caused by the natural gas boom will prevent the catastrophic implosion of the economy caused by the spending and entitlements crisis. The super-villain's doomsday countdown clock has already counted down. The hero failed and he didn't get the girl. And the rest of us, the bit players and Bond girls? We're cooked, and when I say 'we' I mean all of us, you and me. The President and his allies and supporters, caught up in some kind of Keynesian delusion, think unsustainable debt can be sustained forever, given the right media spin and creative accounting tricks.
The economic collapse, when it comes, won't be noticed by the general public for a little while because the media and the federal government will do all they can to obscure the awful truth, just as they've been doing with real unemployment and growth statistics. When the enormity of the ongoing crash gets too big to hide, they'll then attempt to blame the evil GOP. Who knows, they'll probably succeed, but it won't matter much, not really. The truth will out eventually.
Posted by: troyriser at December 18, 2012 11:36 AM (vtiE6)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 11:37 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: RWC at December 18, 2012 11:37 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 18, 2012 11:37 AM (UhXzR)
What were you doing when I was slogging to and from the campaign office, uphill in 6-foot-deep snow, both ways? Donating? Voting? Get off my lawn!
Posted by: William Allow at December 18, 2012 11:38 AM (ggRof)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 11:38 AM (QupBk)
>>>Without an increase in the Debt Limit, the Dems would not be able to bail out the brokest blue states.
So the Burn would begin.
Buzzzzz. Obama would usurp the power to up the debt limit from Congress then dare them to impeach him and they wouldn't.
He might do that.
But I think that even Turbo Timmy would warn him about what this would do to our financial markets.
Our Credit Rating would plummet.
One of the things that keeps foreign money in our Stock Market, is the belief in our constitutional form of government...and rule of law.
Once that is gone...foreign investment would flee.
Then even our own Wall Street whores would jump ship.
Posted by: wheatie at December 18, 2012 11:38 AM (K4wCe)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 18, 2012 11:38 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: beach'in at December 18, 2012 11:38 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 11:39 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: DC in Towson at December 18, 2012 11:39 AM (P47hr)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 11:40 AM (pshT9)
Posted by: Oneida Mama at December 18, 2012 11:40 AM (DrC22)
Thing 2. Has anyone looked for .223 on Cheaper than Dirt? It's all gone!
Posted by: Golan Globus at December 18, 2012 03:35 PM (7vSU0)
Ammo Man?
Nachez?
Posted by: Jake in ID at December 18, 2012 11:40 AM (W6iIX)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2012 11:40 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 03:32 PM (pshT9)
Can't speak for whom you are addressing, but I regard that outcome as inevitable. It is now unavoidable. The Numbers just do not work. From my perspective, any talk of "fixing" this is no different than repositioning the deck chairs on the Titanic. This ship is going down, and I do not see how it can be stopped.
Hyper-inflation is coming.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 11:40 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: kbdabear at December 18, 2012 11:41 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 03:23 PM (0q2P7)
_________________________________
Let's see...
Obama wanted higher taxes on "the rich", he got it.
Obama wanted to raise the debt limit. He got it.
Obama didn't want any spending cuts. There are no spending cuts.
Yeah it would be a real nightmare if Democrats had the house. Good think Boner's there to stop Obama.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 18, 2012 11:42 AM (HDgX3)
They deserve it.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 03:35 PM (sbV1u)
It *USED* to be a Republic. It has devolved into an ignorant Democracy, and that is why we have idiots/criminals in places of power.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 11:42 AM (bb5+k)
He was born in Michigan.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 18, 2012 11:42 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 11:43 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2012 11:43 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 03:40 PM (bb5+k)
... coupled with high unemployment..... WIN WIN!!!!
Barrack and Mr Carter..... the only two presidents to turn the Phillips curve into a pretzel.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2012 11:43 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: SpongeBob Saget's square dildo at December 18, 2012 11:43 AM (97nMP)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 18, 2012 11:44 AM (da5Wo)
THEY OUT WORK US. they WORK HARDER.
Evidence please.
Could it also be that for 100 years we have progressively moved to the left and it is easy to dupe a willing believer and very hard to sway an idiolog? Hmmmm?
Bill Grant, Are you a big weight lifter dude that has taken a lot of 'roids or what?
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 18, 2012 11:44 AM (UhXzR)
But I think that even Turbo Timmy would warn him about what this would do to our financial markets.
Our Credit Rating would plummet.
What do you mean "would"? Anything below AAA for the US, the largest economy, and most powerful richest nation in the world, is a plummeted credit rating.
So Turbo Timmy gets with Helicopter Ben and monetize to keep the system going much as it is right now. Obama and his media lackeys would "frame" the issue as being completely Constitutional. This ride won't stop until you find 75¢ of change under the couch, melt it down for the copper, then use the paper money you get to pay off your mortgage.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 11:44 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: SMOD the annilator at December 18, 2012 11:44 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2012 11:44 AM (XkWWK)
That giant sucking sound is America 2012.
I am depressed.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2012 03:43 PM (XkWWK)
Sorry! That was just me and my 177 boyfriends. You're still not paying for my birth control, so I have to do something to keep from getting pregnant.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 18, 2012 11:44 AM (ggRof)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 11:45 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: beach'in at December 18, 2012 11:45 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 03:40 PM (pshT9)
What you don't get is you are enabling the Democrats by proposing we continue to patch up all of their fuck ups and that they can continue on with their agenda with no consequences.
You just want to be killed last.
Posted by: polynikes at December 18, 2012 11:46 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 18, 2012 11:46 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: wm flip at December 18, 2012 11:46 AM (lB/5N)
No, they give a shit, they were at the polling places... I saw them. We need to get the other 50% to counter it. We don't. THEY OUT WORK US. That is what we are missing. They are better organized, better funded and they WORK HARDER then "our" side.
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 03:40 PM (pshT9)
Not at all. The Media herds the other sides voters. We have to do it the hard way.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 11:46 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2012 03:43 PM (XkWWK)
It could be worse. We could have plague to go along with being financial bonedness and being invaded from the south, which we have to subsidize.
Posted by: Invictus at December 18, 2012 11:46 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Joe Biden at December 18, 2012 11:47 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Burn you all to ashes, SMOD at December 18, 2012 11:47 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: beach'in at December 18, 2012 11:48 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: kbdabear at December 18, 2012 03:41 PM (wwsoB)
And here is where the cleansing fire comes into the picture. Nothing will wake up those silly bastards like pain.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 11:48 AM (bb5+k)
I don't even make the top 25. Ever.
So....you were saying?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 03:45 PM (sbV1u)
3???? Shit, I wish.
And I was saying....SHUTUP!
BECAUSE!
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 18, 2012 11:48 AM (da5Wo)
Obama SAID he wanted higher taxes on "the rich"
Obama SAID he wanted to raise the debt limit.
He also SAID he wanted control over the debt limit.
Don't confuse what Obama SAYS he wants as EVERYTHING Obama wants. He only says stuff he thinks he has an off chance of selling to the public.
I'm also very sure he wants a 75% tax rate on upper incomes. I am also sure he wants single payer health care. I am also sure he wants a socialist enterprise not unlike Venezuela. He just doesn't say any of that sh*t because he can't sell it.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 11:49 AM (0q2P7)
Cramer's TheStreet.com Charged With Accounting Fraud
http://tinyurl.com/coyl63x
Posted by: kbdabear at December 18, 2012 11:49 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 11:49 AM (pshT9)
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 18, 2012 11:49 AM (UhXzR)
Barrack and Mr Carter..... the only two presidents to turn the Phillips curve into a pretzel.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2012 03:43 PM (nELVU)
A loaf of bread will buy a bag of gold.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 11:50 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 18, 2012 11:50 AM (jWwDJ)
Contemplate this one, our representatives even while we are alledgedly approaching "fiscal armmagedon" larded up a $60 Billion dollar blank check for Sandy "Reliefe" with pork.
Right there would go all of the new revenue that would be obtained with the tax increases.
They really don't give a shit what happens to you and our families.
LIB
Posted by: General Woundwort at December 18, 2012 11:50 AM (RrD4h)
Now, who wants to be the Jets and who wants to be the Sharks?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Burn you all to ashes, SMOD at December 18, 2012 03:47 PM (VtjlW)
That's not even fair. I would win that easily. I dance so poorly that upon witnessing it, Bannion would immediately gouge out his own eyes and pour bleach into the cavities trying to prevent ever seeing such a thing again and erase the memories.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 18, 2012 11:50 AM (da5Wo)
And here is where the cleansing fire comes into the picture. Nothing will wake up those silly bastards like pain.
and that pain is just me doing my thing
those baby boombers thinking obout da' social security
well cuz the wippersnappers are not workin to pay for SS......Well you can do the MATH
Posted by: MATH at December 18, 2012 11:51 AM (W6iIX)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 11:51 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: RWC at December 18, 2012 11:51 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 11:52 AM (sbV1u)
Already live 50 miles out of Minneapolis. But as an added precaution we're fixing up the off the grid hunting/fallback shack.
http://tinyurl.com/cmbcozw
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 18, 2012 11:52 AM (81UWZ)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 03:52 PM (sbV1u)
I aspire to reach her level of rhythm and grace.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 18, 2012 11:52 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Cricket at December 18, 2012 11:52 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 11:52 AM (QupBk)
You just want to be killed last.
Posted by: polynikes at December 18, 2012 03:46 PM (m2CN7)
Exactly! It is time for the bill to come due for their fuckups. Till the American people feel the burn, they won't change their behavior of voting for Democrats. The burn is inevitable.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 11:53 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 03:49 PM (pshT9)
can someone help this gentleman with the concept of 'snark'
Posted by: MATH at December 18, 2012 11:53 AM (W6iIX)
Posted by: beach'in at December 18, 2012 11:53 AM (LpQbZ)
But then, the Senate will be just a figurehead for the Emperor.
Posted by: Al at December 18, 2012 11:54 AM (V70Uh)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 11:54 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Invictus at December 18, 2012 03:46 PM (OQpzc)
Just wait.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 11:54 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: 80sBaby at December 18, 2012 11:55 AM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 18, 2012 11:55 AM (UhXzR)
Posted by: Cato at December 18, 2012 11:55 AM (WV4rI)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 11:55 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 11:55 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at December 18, 2012 11:56 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 11:56 AM (pshT9)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 03:49 PM (0q2P7)
______________________________________
He had the house and senate for 2 years. He didn't get 75% because even DemTARDS in the senate wouldn't go along with that. He got everything he wants that is reasonably achievable. And he would have got the same things with or without a House GOP majority. That's my point. And yes this includes Obamacare. Enough RINOs would have voted with him in order to make history or some such shit.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 18, 2012 11:56 AM (HDgX3)
Gentlemen, gentlemen let's settle this the traditional way.
Youtubed tickle fight between the ex-cheerleader wives?
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at December 18, 2012 11:56 AM (BrQrN)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 03:40 PM (pshT9)"
They "work harder" at extracting free shit, I agree. When that's your only job, it's easy to work hard at it. When your job is both earning a living AND trying to fight off people who want to take it to fund their free shit, you're fighting a two-front war where your enemy is only fighting on one front.
The irony of the Democrats complaining about how capitalism is so competitive and lacking in compassion is that they treat politics in exactly that way. A Democratic politician is just as ruthless as a Fortune 500 CEO, but with a different type of business model.
Posted by: BS Inc. at December 18, 2012 11:57 AM (eP0u9)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Burn you all to ashes, SMOD at December 18, 2012 11:57 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 11:58 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 11:58 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Homer at December 18, 2012 11:59 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 18, 2012 11:59 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 12:00 PM (pshT9)
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at December 18, 2012 03:56 PM (BrQrN)
Best idea in the history of everything?
Certainly top 5.
Posted by: DC in Towson at December 18, 2012 12:00 PM (P47hr)
Posted by: georgeofthedesert at December 18, 2012 12:01 PM (Eq2MX)
Posted by: Greece [/i] at December 18, 2012 12:01 PM (feFL6)
Cap N Trade
Public Option
Assault Weapons Ban?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 12:01 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 18, 2012 12:01 PM (UhXzR)
Posted by: beach'in at December 18, 2012 12:01 PM (LpQbZ)
In other words, budgetary and taxation triage, protect our base and forget being responsible for the others. Protect producers such as agriculture, manufacturing, mining, and small business as much as possible. Keep up spending for key military functions but disengage from peripheral engagement such as Afghanistan. We have to maintain our sinew and bones of our economy and military strength so that when default occurs, we can rebuild in peace and security.
Face it, 2012 elections signal that we will have either a hard default (refusal to pay interest and/or principal on borrowing) or a soft default where we pay our debts with worthless fiat currency (most likely option). One thing that is delaying the bond vigilantes is that Japan and many countries in Europe are further along the curve than we are to making these choices. As inflation rises on basic goods, such as food and energy, expect regime collapses and violent disorder in much of the Third World that cannot feed nor house themselves.
Posted by: wg at December 18, 2012 12:01 PM (eAosc)
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 12:02 PM (t1NLo)
Umm, no. I think the United States is worth more then taking our bat and our ball and going home because we can't get our shit together.
Fighting them, effectively, isn't "enabling them".
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 04:00 PM (pshT9)
Dude, this is Nazi Germany in 1933. You want to fight them? Join the resistance, but don't get the fool nation that you can oppose them frontally any more.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 12:03 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 03:49 PM (pshT9)
Reasoned commentary? You are the one who accused posters here of doing nothing but ranting on the internet.
Self awarness is not your strong suit.
smeg breath.
Posted by: polynikes at December 18, 2012 12:04 PM (m2CN7)
Do you always root for the rapist?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 18, 2012 12:04 PM (81UWZ)
No, Olaf. You don't get to comment further until you answer my question.
What is your share of the national debt?
Posted by: fluffy at December 18, 2012 12:04 PM (4pSIn)
It wasn't the "RINO Establishment" who redistricted West out of his seat. It was the bipartisan districting committee in Florida.
But you go head and keep blaming the Big Bad Establishment for every noise that goes bump in the night.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 18, 2012 12:04 PM (SY2Kh)
Cap N Trade
Public Option
Assault Weapons Ban?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 04:01 PM (0q2P7)
___________
Yes he got everything that is achievable. Cap N Trade was not achievable with a dem congress. Same with Public Option. The AWB is coming soon enough.
My point - for the 3rd and final time - is Obama's going to get the same shit with a dem house or a gop house. He is limited by what Democrats will give him not by what Republicans will give him.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 18, 2012 12:05 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 12:05 PM (pshT9)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Burn you all to ashes, SMOD at December 18, 2012 12:05 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 12:05 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Cricket at December 18, 2012 12:05 PM (DrC22)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 18, 2012 12:06 PM (XvHmy)
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 12:06 PM (t1NLo)
Posted by: wg at December 18, 2012 04:01 PM (eAosc)
This.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 12:06 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 12:06 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 04:05 PM (QupBk)
Fixed.
Posted by: DC in Towson at December 18, 2012 12:06 PM (P47hr)
Posted by: Soona at December 18, 2012 12:07 PM (YAYLY)
Why are you so fixated on Obama's race? All we care about is his politics.
Take out the racial bigotry and you are mostly right though. It's going to be so fun watching you get jack-booted by the future when you get everything your deluded heart desires. I'll be in Galt's Gulch by then. Producing and not sharing laughing at you.
GL
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 12:07 PM (0q2P7)
So not only will evil rich white people pay all the taxes, we will get absolutely nothing in return. No SS, no Medicare, no nothing. Good thing Democrats didn't win the house huh? It would be a nightmare.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 18, 2012 12:08 PM (HDgX3)
You have him at the disadvantage, the question requires math.
Or an internet search. The thing really has him by the balls is math, but he doesn't know it.
Posted by: fluffy at December 18, 2012 12:08 PM (4pSIn)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 12:08 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 18, 2012 12:08 PM (79ueO)
Just rhetorical, but how the Hell did the Republicans end up so entrenched in a horrible PR position on this? Obama, the guy who has blown a hole in the budget, and the Democrats, who never heard of a tax they didn't like, are somehow positioned as the champions of the little guy, fighting doggedly for tax relief for the middle class?
The end result is more important than who gets blamed of course, but how did they get so far off course in terms of the politics and positioning?
Posted by: RM at December 18, 2012 12:08 PM (TRsME)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 12:09 PM (pshT9)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 12:09 PM (UhXzR)
I spent thousands and ran around like an idiot all over a battle ground state and watched our side collapse while their side was a well oiled machine for several elections now.
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 04:05 PM (pshT9)
If you only had a billion dollars of extra help from the media every election cycle, you might find your job far easier than it had been in the past.
The Media (News/Entertainment industries) are propaganda machines with a side business of making money through information and entertainment.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 12:09 PM (bb5+k)
I don't mean English, I mean Individual Rights and Fiscal Responsibility.
After of decades of brainwashing buy the MFM and Pubic Education, they speak only Take and Take It.
Until their ranks are thinned by an attrition fueled by either a radical awakening American Heritage or failing that, the self immolation of internecine carnage, a collapsing inferno is the only way out.
Posted by: ontherocks at December 18, 2012 12:09 PM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 12:09 PM (t1NLo)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 18, 2012 12:10 PM (HDgX3)
Olaf, save the 20th century European history for folks who know what they are talking about. YOU need to answer my question.
National debt. Your share?
Posted by: fluffy at December 18, 2012 12:10 PM (4pSIn)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 12:10 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Berserker at December 18, 2012 12:10 PM (FMbng)
Who is this "you" you talking about loser boy? People here know what to do.
Then there are losers like you who couldn't hack it in the game of life, who needs to steal from others, who didn't have the chops to cut it, so you come here to try to make yourself feel better, yet you will always remain a no talent low rent loser.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2012 12:10 PM (69Mdf)
Oh no. You have nothing to fear from totalitarianism in the US. Nothing at all.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 12:11 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Burn you all to ashes, SMOD at December 18, 2012 12:11 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at December 18, 2012 03:28 PM (3j5KI)
I've never heard of any instance where anybody dealt with, or made a deal with Obama. Does it really matter if Boehner is "dealing" with him? Who could do better?
Posted by: tubal at December 18, 2012 12:11 PM (BoE3Z)
Open your eyes and breathe some non-wingnut oxygen for a change.
Quiz time, Sonny. What is your answer?
Posted by: fluffy at December 18, 2012 12:12 PM (4pSIn)
Posted by: crowsting at December 18, 2012 12:12 PM (61BD9)
Awesome. I'm surprised how few of you gun freaks don't accidentally off yourselves.
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 04:06 PM (t1NLo)
No, I thought that several years ago, and it has turned out to be true. We now have NAtional SoZIalists running the nation, right down to the same brown shirt tactics. The closest comparison in history to our current government is the Cult of Personality which surrounded "Der Fuehrer."
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 12:12 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: t-dubyah-d at December 18, 2012 12:12 PM (WX65W)
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 12:13 PM (t1NLo)
*re-reads that slowly*
yep, no cursing at all. this development is...troubling.
*hides under desk*
Posted by: DC in Towson at December 18, 2012 12:13 PM (P47hr)
It's you're belief that the federal government needs to continue paying Senior Welfare to those who in no way need it?
Any other federal welfare programs we want to include the wealthy on? Maybe food stamps for Warren Buffet? An Obamaphone for Donald Trump? Would that fulfill your True Conservative principles?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 18, 2012 12:13 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: beach'in at December 18, 2012 12:13 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 12:13 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Sexypig at December 18, 2012 12:13 PM (dZQh7)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 12:14 PM (pshT9)
Posted by: beach'in at December 18, 2012 12:14 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2012 04:10 PM
Hey! Hey! HEY!
The boy has A.D.D. and I am trying to get him to focus. Stop distracting him.
Posted by: fluffy at December 18, 2012 12:14 PM (4pSIn)
The level of ignorance is astonishing here. You really think another Hitler figure will rise in the next few years and rule the US like Germany in the late 30s?
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 04:06 PM (t1NLo)"
If one did, but he happened to share your ideology, would you even notice?
It's always struck me as indicative of the historical naivete of the Left that they thought when Fascism returned, it would return under the leadership of an Army corporal with a funny mustache.
No, you fucking idiot, it's obviously going to take a different historical form.
Posted by: BS Inc. at December 18, 2012 12:14 PM (eP0u9)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 18, 2012 12:14 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 12:14 PM (t1NLo)
Posted by: Cato at December 18, 2012 12:14 PM (WV4rI)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 12:14 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 18, 2012 04:08 PM (HDgX3)
I have come to the conclusion that a fundamental principle of any free nation must be that those who vote for debt must also pay for debt.
In other words, No Representation without Taxation. That is the lynchpin upon which the survival of any nation must hang.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 12:14 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 04:06 PM (t1NLo)
That's cuz you obviously don't know anything about us or guns.
Life's got to be full of surprises for you douchedrip.
Posted by: ontherocks at December 18, 2012 12:15 PM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: beach'in at December 18, 2012 12:15 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 12:16 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: RM at December 18, 2012 04:08 PM (TRsME)
The Media, and none tax paying voters. It's that simple.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 12:16 PM (bb5+k)
Perhaps you mistake the part where we reject a hive mind in favor of individuality.
Liberals form a hive, then act for good or ill as one consciousness.
The only way Conservatives unite is under inspiring leadership. Find an inspiring leader and you will have your organized support. Since you can't even make it to that understanding, that leader is obviously not you.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 12:16 PM (0q2P7)
Galt is nearing, apparently. Tired of the talk now,I'll still fight on quietly until it's evident I can no longer win.
That happens, I will simply disappear. Everything is ready except actually doing it.
And if Galt DOES occur, those of you who made it happen --watch behind you.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 18, 2012 12:16 PM (SAMxH)
Really, what's taking you so long?
I wonder the same thing.
Your taunts ring hollow as long as you show that you don't have the spine to answer me.
Posted by: fluffy at December 18, 2012 12:16 PM (4pSIn)
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 04:13 PM (t1NLo)
Why haven't you choked on your own vomit? Surely drug-addled cumsponges such as yourself have the wherewithal to overdose and die pathetically.
Really, what's taking you so long?
Posted by: Offal at December 18, 2012 12:16 PM (ggRof)
Does it really matter if Boehner is "dealing" with him? Who could do better?
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B-1 Bob Dornan.
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 18, 2012 12:17 PM (MPjT8)
Posted by: crowsting at December 18, 2012 12:17 PM (61BD9)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 12:17 PM (pshT9)
>>This one-post-per-afternoon shit is getting old.
Gives me a chance to use the time machine and go back and read Ace's movie reviews.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 18, 2012 12:17 PM (SUKHu)
Any other federal welfare programs we want to include the wealthy on? Maybe food stamps for Warren Buffet? An Obamaphone for Donald Trump? Would that fulfill your True Conservative principles?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 18, 2012 04:13 PM (SY2Kh)
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How many Buffets are there out there? This is the liberal straw man argument always bringing up Buffet. Fine don't give anyone worth $10B and up Social Security. That's about 25 people. How do you solve the other 99.99% of the problem?
And OK if the rich don't get social security can they opt out of it? Oh no they can't. They have to pay into the system but aren't allowed to get anything out. In other words, turn Social Security into yet another welfare system no different than Food Stamps.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 18, 2012 12:17 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 12:17 PM (t1NLo)
Posted by: toby928© beating memes to death since 2006 at December 18, 2012 12:18 PM (QupBk)
Really, what's taking you so long?
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 04:13 PM (t1NLo)"
Has the Left created Utopia anywhere yet? Surely such great men as yourselves have the wherewithal to create heaven on earth. Start with a small locale like San Francisco.
Really, what's taking you so long?
Posted by: BS Inc. at December 18, 2012 12:18 PM (eP0u9)
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 12:18 PM (/YJYi)
Any quick thoughts on something gun related to get my hubby for Christmas?
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 18, 2012 12:18 PM (SUKHu)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at December 18, 2012 12:18 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 18, 2012 12:19 PM (MPjT8)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 04:09 PM (pshT9)
How about we have 3 networks covering up all the Republican fuckups and bad publicity, while constantly demonizing and making up shit about Democrats, and have them all blasting this same message 24-7? While we're at it, how about we have Hollywood crank out an endless assembly line run of movies that paint Democrats and their supporters as horrible people who want to murder and kill us and poison our air and water, etc. ?
Oh, and then we could have an SEIU or something.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 12:19 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 12:20 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 18, 2012 12:20 PM (jucos)
Most Jews in Germany didn't leave in 1933, 1934 or 1935. This was because despite what Hitler was saying openly, most Jews thought it was just talk. The Jews that were sounding the alarm were marginalized as worry-warts and crazy people.
How'd that work out for them?
Now ff to 2012 in America and listen to liberals. They're talking about locking up NRA members. They're talking about shooting NRA members. They're talking about putting opponents of Obamacare in jail. But hey, don't worry, it's just talk. There's no way any of this stuff could actually happen.
Right?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 18, 2012 12:21 PM (HDgX3)
Which is why, several years ago, I suggested the D party change their full name to the "National Social Democrat American Party", or NSDAP for short. They seem hell bent on repeating the mistakes of history, so why not?
Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 18, 2012 12:21 PM (4WhSY)
Load up those stocking stuffers, fellas! Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 04:17 PM (
Your scumbag side aborts themselves far faster than gun owners kill themselves. Oh yeah thats right, we DO have the guns don't we? Sucks for your side when civilization collapses.
Posted by: Berserker at December 18, 2012 12:21 PM (FMbng)
Really, what's taking you so long?
Posted by: BS Inc. at December 18, 2012 04:18 PM (eP0u9)
But you see, for Marxist Utopia to work, we have to have the whole word under it's rule!
Isn't that exciting!
So you peons who are bucking one world order better shape up!
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at December 18, 2012 12:21 PM (xAtAj)
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 18, 2012 04:19 PM (MPjT
Every once in a while its fun to remind a loser what a fucking loser in life he is.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2012 12:22 PM (69Mdf)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 18, 2012 04:20 PM (jucos)
I wasn't an accident! If my mommy didn't want to have me, why was she screwing 15 guys a night?
Posted by: Olaf! at December 18, 2012 12:22 PM (ggRof)
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 18, 2012 04:18 PM (SUKHu)
While you're using the time machine, pick up about 10K rounds of 5.56 from the fall.
Posted by: DC in Towson at December 18, 2012 12:22 PM (P47hr)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 12:22 PM (pshT9)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 12:22 PM (QupBk)
I went Galt 4 years ago.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2012 04:19 PM (69Mdf)
2 years for me. It's pretty easy to do - doesn't take some grand gesture or anything. I didn't have to do any moving, for the time being at least. The significant other did likewise this year. It's the most effective bit of fighting the tide that I can think of.
Posted by: tubal at December 18, 2012 12:23 PM (BoE3Z)
Posted by: beach'in at December 18, 2012 12:23 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 12:23 PM (/YJYi)
No. They don't have to fight harder, because they have the media in their pocket.
Posted by: Sexypig at December 18, 2012 04:13 PM (dZQh7)
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Not only the media, but the entire educational system, and I won't even start listing all the federally subsidized organizations that are against us. Oh, and did I mention Helicopter Ben?
Posted by: Soona at December 18, 2012 12:24 PM (YAYLY)
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 12:25 PM (pshT9)
Open your eyes and breathe some non-wingnut oxygen for a change.
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 04:09 PM (t1NLo)
Dude, the ideas you support are death. They are not death merely because *WE* think so, they are death because all the past experience of Humanity has demonstrated them to be so. If we thought Romney was going to win by a landslide, it was because we never thought people would ever be so stupid as to embrace their own deaths.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 12:25 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: 80sBaby at December 18, 2012 12:26 PM (YjDyJ)
You do realize that was the whole purpose of SS of it when it was started, right?
Ida May Fuller worked for three years under the Social Security program. The accumulated taxes on her salary during those three years was a total of $24.75. Her initial monthly check was $22.54. During her lifetime she collected a total of $22,888.92 in Social Security benefits.
http://www.ssa.gov/history/briefhistory3.html#idamay
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 18, 2012 12:26 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: RWC at December 18, 2012 12:26 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 04:23 PM (/YJYi)
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You're nothing but an old greasy shitstain on Helen Thomas' underwear. Fuck off.
Posted by: Soona at December 18, 2012 12:26 PM (YAYLY)
The level of ignorance is astonishing here. You really think another Hitler figure will rise in the next few years and rule the US like Germany in the late 30s?
Awesome. I'm surprised how few of you gun freaks don't accidentally off yourselves.
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 04:06 PM (t1NLo)
Another Hitler figure? You mean like a populist demogogue who preys upon people's prejudices and fears and appeals to the very worst in human nature? The kind of would-be tyrant who sets off one class against another and finds a scapegoat for every national ill, yet who himself is always free from blame? The sort who uses the mechanisms of the democratic process to further his own puruit of power meanwhile subverting that process to his own ends? That kind of Hitler figure?
We've already got one, thanks.
Posted by: troyriser at December 18, 2012 12:26 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: beach'in at December 18, 2012 12:27 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Berserker at December 18, 2012 04:10 PM (FMbng)
A very accurate description. Beyond that, the entire "War on Poverty" was nothing but a massive vote buying scheme by Lyndon Johnson which was designed with only one purpose in mind. To increase and hold a Democrat coalition.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 12:27 PM (bb5+k)
Isn't that exciting!
So you peons who are bucking one world order better shape up!
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at December 18, 2012 04:21 PM (xAtAj)"
I know, I love how I'm just supposed to take it on faith that an ideology that can't last more than one generation on a hippy commune is just supposed to magically work when applied to the entire planet.
I've said it before, but if the far superior Russians, Germans and Zionists could not make collectivism work, fucking goofballs like Pelosi, Reid and Obama have absolutely no fucking chance of making it work. The lowest-ranking member of the Russian Communist Party was a MENSA member compared to dipshits like Obama, aka "Mister Profits to Earnings Ratio".
Posted by: BS Inc. at December 18, 2012 12:27 PM (eP0u9)
Posted by: Weepy Boehner at December 18, 2012 12:27 PM (Y5I9o)
Posted by: GalosGann at December 18, 2012 12:27 PM (T3KlW)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 12:27 PM (QupBk)
I thought we were supposed to avoid punching down.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 18, 2012 12:30 PM (4WhSY)
Posted by: Minuteman at December 18, 2012 12:31 PM (qs9G3)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 12:31 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Soona at December 18, 2012 12:32 PM (YAYLY)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 18, 2012 12:32 PM (Y5I9o)
Posted by: oLaf Bread at December 18, 2012 12:33 PM (/YJYi)
412 Never wanted to be that, however, you are rationalizing inaction, which is congruent with the "let it burn" idea. It's never OK to let the USA burn.
It becomes ok to let the USA burn when over half the population feels that it is the proper place of the government to redistribute wealth in a way that is beneficial to them and when that half of the population also wants the government to take an active role in telling every single person in the country how to live their lives.
At this point we are not even close the founding principles of the country and we aren't even remotely close to returning to those values. Unlike the 50%+ of the country who voted for Obama and are proud of it I'm so deeply ashamed of what the country has become I'm starting to think I need to join the prozac/valium crowd.
With the libtards in charge and the Republicans unable to mount any sort of effective opposition (and unable to learn from mistakes and mount an effective opposition) this slipperly slide only goes down. There is no ladder to climb up on the other side.
Posted by: AdamPM at December 18, 2012 12:34 PM (x61Z7)
Never wanted to be that, however, you are rationalizing inaction, which is congruent with the "let it burn" idea.
I'm not rationalizing. That suggests that I am trying to come up with rational reasons to do what I already want to do. I'd much rather continue to fight on, but I am unable to come up with a rational reason to do so.
>>>It's never OK to let the USA burn.
Why exactly? What makes the USA so special that it cannot be allowed to fail when it needs to? I see no other gambit that might pay off.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 12:34 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 04:25 PM
Yeah thats pretty much it. The left's ideas historically never ever work. What is different here is the american left (little "a") think they are special. Look at that scumbag obama, he thinks because he breathes people need to bow to his intellect. Its the same for all leftists. They breath, therefore they are correct. See the planet will give the finger to the sun and stop warming just because the leftists think the planet will listen to them, because come on, they are leftists, they think the fucking universe don't see them as nothing more than a germ on a ball of dirt circling around an insignificant little yellow star. Noooo they are leftists, they think their existence actually fucking means something. They think socialism is cool because if they run it it won't fold in on itself like a puckering asshole like it has every frigging time its tried. They have been proven wrong by 10,000 years of human history and still have the fucking gaul to look in a mirror and say "I'm special"
It IS a mental disease.
Posted by: Berserker at December 18, 2012 12:34 PM (FMbng)
I don't want to think that it's necessary.
But what's our recourse?
I've been on a DOOM! Train since 2008, and only briefly thought about hopping off when we thought RR stood a chance.
At what point does the DOOM! Train become LiB?
I'm going to support Rand in '16 if he's up for it, but I'm under no delusion. He most likely will not get nominated, and even if some Magical Conservative Nominee got nominated, we'd still have a 10+ year uphill battle to retake the senate and *start* reversing some of the damage of the past 4 years.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at December 18, 2012 12:35 PM (xAtAj)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 03:10 PM (QupBk)
Like Average Joe, born to suck cock.
Posted by: Minuteman at December 18, 2012 04:31 PM (qs9G3)
Yeah, he better learn that naivete and a smart-ass mouth can get one killed in a Utopia. A break from gaming and a trip to a dead-tree library could reveal that Progressives, Liberals, and Freethinkers wound up really, really dead in the 20th Century Utopias.
Posted by: tubal at December 18, 2012 12:36 PM (BoE3Z)
Never wanted to be that, however, you are rationalizing inaction, which is congruent with the "let it burn" idea. It's never OK to let the USA burn.
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 04:22 PM (pshT9)
Dude, the Ship is on Fire. You better be clear before it reaches the Powder magazine. It is too late to put it out.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 12:36 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at December 18, 2012 12:36 PM (feFL6)
I fully well know that the GOP is in a no-win situation.
Point is, anyone unable to articulate specifically what Boehner should be doing differently has no standing to be calling for his head. Exposing the intractability of the Dems is what he's trying to do with regards to minimizing the damage.
Who wants the job and would be better at it? And what exactly would you have them do differently?
Put up or shut up, he explained.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 18, 2012 12:37 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: 80sBaby at December 18, 2012 12:37 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 12:38 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 04:34 PM (0q2P7)
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Agree. The ONLY thing that's going to change the minds of the 51% is pain....and perhaps some death.
Posted by: Soona at December 18, 2012 12:38 PM (YAYLY)
I spent thousands and ran around like an idiot
all over a battle ground state and watched our side collapse while their
side was a well oiled machine for several elections now.
Posted by: Bill Grant at December 18, 2012 04:05 PM (pshT9)
The idiot part I get.
Posted by: polynikes at December 18, 2012 12:39 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 18, 2012 12:39 PM (jucos)
You're welcome.
Posted by: Natural Selection at December 18, 2012 12:40 PM (INNvP)
Posted by: LG at December 18, 2012 12:40 PM (p+4lN)
Posted by: RWC at December 18, 2012 12:40 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Darwin at December 18, 2012 12:41 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at December 18, 2012 12:41 PM (feFL6)
When the song is over I can smell burning particle board and burnt insulation. THAT is how that song must be played.
Lark's Tongues in Aspic, Part IV
Keep your fire extinguisher handy.
Posted by: fluffy at December 18, 2012 12:41 PM (4pSIn)
It is and always has been yet another welfare system little different than Food Stamps. That there's a separate payroll tax for it doesn't change that.
The SS tax was instituted precisely to fool people into believing it's a retirement trust fund, even though the money goes straight to the general fund.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 18, 2012 12:42 PM (SY2Kh)
Why exactly? What makes the USA so special that it cannot be allowed to fail when it needs to? I see no other gambit that might pay off.
Posted by: Mike the Moose Shrugging at December 18, 2012 04:34 PM (0q2P7)
Exactly. The USA is not a land mass or specific group of people, it is a collection of principals that have now been rejected by the majority of the population.
Let. It. Burn.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 12:42 PM (bb5+k)
No matter what, the burn will be slow and agonizing. See Japan's lost Decades. Now multiply by two or four and that is probably a realistic picture having been painted.
The faster the burn, the faster the road to normality.
It's not just math but also physics.
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 18, 2012 12:43 PM (UhXzR)
I don't want an Olaf but I might give up fighting for a Hot hippy chick.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 18, 2012 12:45 PM (81UWZ)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 04:36 PM (bb5+k)
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People like Bill remind me of the close onlookers of the Texas City freighter fire in the late 1940's. They think that fertilizer can't explode, plus, isn't the fire department spraying enough water to put it out? I mean, look at all that fucking water.
Posted by: Soona at December 18, 2012 12:45 PM (YAYLY)
Those same people paid taxes that paid for Food Stamps, Housing Assistance, Obamaphones, and every other federal welfare program under the Sun.
Are they entitled to a piece of those too, regardless of income and wealth?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 18, 2012 12:45 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 18, 2012 12:45 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 18, 2012 12:45 PM (UhXzR)
The only way the American left and their douchenozzles like olaf have been able to survive is by having the right fix all of their screwups, at least temporarily.
Unfortunately, the USA is not a speedboat that can turn on a dime but rather the world's largest tanker that takes quite some time to turn. This slow turn confuses the electorate in regard to cause and effect.
Posted by: polynikes at December 18, 2012 12:46 PM (m2CN7)
No matter what, the burn will be slow and agonizing. See Japan's lost Decades. Now multiply by two or four and that is probably a realistic picture having been painted.
John Mauldin has been referring to Japan as 'a bug in search of a windshield'. He declared 2013 to be Japan's 'Year of the windshield.'
He also stated, "This isn't Spain or Greece; Japan is BIG"
Posted by: fluffy at December 18, 2012 12:46 PM (4pSIn)
So for every Ida May Fuller, there are tens of thousands of people who worked for nearly fifty years. Paid billions of dollars into a system that politicians of both parties agreed was sacrosanct. But thanks to our Food Stamp Precedent, and his need to mollify the FSA, it is no longer.
Okay, got it.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 18, 2012 04:41 PM (feFL6)
Social Security and Medicare, and now Obamacare, are going to live on and on and on and on....... Cause no politician is ever put their ass on the line for the 1st 2 items. Obamacare has real legs with the FSA.
We are so far over the fucking "cliff" that the bottom is rushing to meet us. The idiot public has no concept of economics, nor will they learn. They're variants of "little Olaf".
Posted by: tubal at December 18, 2012 12:46 PM (BoE3Z)
That's right. The want to screw the middle class again.
Posted by: Al at December 18, 2012 12:47 PM (V70Uh)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 04:38 PM (0q2P7)"
Posted by: BS Inc. at December 18, 2012 12:47 PM (eP0u9)
one or two of your lot just to keep us happy and producing.>>
I don't want an Olaf but I might give up fighting for a Hot hippy chick.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 18, 2012 04:45 PM (81UWZ)
Pretty stanky, that. Have to take 'em to the car wash.
Posted by: tubal at December 18, 2012 12:48 PM (BoE3Z)
Posted by: Soona at December 18, 2012 04:45 PM (YAYLY)
It is my opinion that Romney, coupled with a renewed energy boom, was the only thing that might have stopped the fiscal hemorrhaging. Now that the voting nation has voiced its support for ideas that will bleed us to death, there is no help for it but to make sure they burn first and quickest.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 18, 2012 12:49 PM (bb5+k)
Pretty typical "compromise" from this group...
Posted by: Norcross at December 18, 2012 12:49 PM (MbUq6)
Just because you believed this "system" was anything other than taking money away from people who work to give it to people who don't work doesn't make it anything other than a system to take money away from people who work to give it to people who don't work.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 18, 2012 12:50 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 18, 2012 12:51 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 12:51 PM (t1NLo)
You went Galt, yet remain connected to the Internet
No more taunting until you eat your vegetables.
National debt: What is your share?
Posted by: fluffy at December 18, 2012 12:53 PM (4pSIn)
Posted by: Al at December 18, 2012 12:53 PM (V70Uh)
No more taunting until you eat your vegetables.
National debt: What is your share?
Posted by: fluffy at December 18, 2012 04:53 PM (4pSIn)
It doesn't know what the term means.
Posted by: tubal at December 18, 2012 12:54 PM (BoE3Z)
sacrosanct.
Both parties lied about being sacrosanct and spent while an apathetic American people looked on and gamed the "will I get mine" scenarios, unwilling to put the program on sound financial footing unless the problem threatened THEIR benefits, on and on until we reached this cliff.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 12:55 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 12:56 PM (t1NLo)
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 18, 2012 12:56 PM (hyB08)
Posted by: crowsting at December 18, 2012 12:56 PM (61BD9)
It doesn't know what the term means.
Lack of knowledge is not his problem. Lack of will and lack of courage are his problems.
Posted by: fluffy at December 18, 2012 12:57 PM (4pSIn)
Hopefully the spray wand will have a Nair setting.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 18, 2012 12:58 PM (81UWZ)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 18, 2012 12:59 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 18, 2012 01:00 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Olaf at December 18, 2012 04:51 PM (t1NLo)"
Going Galt is obviously a dramatic device in a fictional book. In real life, "going Galt" is much more subtle because in real life the ability to grow your income from year to year is much more marginal, so "going Galt" in the real world also has to be on the margins.
The economy, in good times, grows about 3% on average. So, that means that a lawyer who has 100 clients might get 3 new clients in a year, all things being equal. If that lawyer now decides not to solicit or take on those 3 new clients, he's "gone Galt", even if he continues to provide service to his existing client base of 100. Of course Rand wouldn't use such a pedestrian device as the dramatic setting for her book, but let's say that Galt's engine would have had 3,000,000 users, that means that if 1 million people, be they lawyers, contractors, engineers, whatever "go Galt" by not pursuing those 3 extra work opportunities in a year, it's the same impact.
So, like all the other moron Leftists who spew this mocking "go Galt" bullshit, you completely misunderstand the marginal nature of economic growth in a mature economy, as well as the power of large numbers of individual decisions.
Posted by: BS Inc. at December 18, 2012 01:01 PM (eP0u9)
I have found it as hard to explain to people who grew up trusting the promise that they had an "account" the government was keeping for them that it isn't so as it is to explain, well, anything to leftists.
Indeed. "But I paid in $X..." means nothing. Been to SCOTUS and everything.
And the SS fund is nearly illiquid. Not broke. They have $2.7 trillion in government paper.
Posted by: fluffy at December 18, 2012 01:03 PM (4pSIn)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at December 18, 2012 01:03 PM (feFL6)
Our TVs get MSNBC too. What you are saying over there isn't sooper sekret. And you can hardly get through a day without someone suggesting that conservative rights to speak, not be locked up, and yes in cases, even be alive, need to end.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 18, 2012 01:06 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: ALL_IS_LOST at December 18, 2012 01:06 PM (T/L2Z)
The internet is a liability. Dead drops and cutouts are a necessity.
Posted by: Natural Selection at December 18, 2012 01:07 PM (INNvP)
Posted by: Fritz at December 18, 2012 01:07 PM (K/NRd)
Let's say Boehner is secretly in the Let It Burn camp. He can't come out and say that, he has to look like he's being reasonable. Saying you're willing to keep tax rates the same for everyone under a million dollars is a great place to be strategically, and technically, Republicans aren't raising taxes, they're simply extending the current rates.
At the end of the day, if conservatives could get all the Bush tax cuts up to a million dollar salary per year, that's a hell of a victory. 8 years of Obama and a Democrat Senate and 99.9% of the US pays the same tax rate (actually less) than they did under Bush?
And I would wager the overwhelming majority of those tax increases hit Limousine Liberals in industries like Hollywood, professional sports, trial lawyers, etc.
Posted by: McAdams at December 18, 2012 01:10 PM (RK3Eb)
Posted by: That Lizard-Headed Paul Winfield Character from Deep Space 9 at December 18, 2012 01:12 PM (w41GQ)
Posted by: Jordan at December 18, 2012 01:18 PM (Hz1zc)
Shit I'm sorry I went away and missed responding to this before it became a dead thread; but this is a great example of how "bipartisanship" works.
Donks: We're scared shitless of Allen West and would love get rid of him at all costs.
Repuke Shitstains: Oh thank God; he scares us so fucking much that we might have to actually stand for something other than feathering our own nests.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at December 18, 2012 05:10 PM (+ksWj)
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