1 Charlie To the rescue

2 Apropos of nothing, I have a new squirrel rifle on order.

3 A private corporation has the right to ban guns on its premises as long as it doesn't needlessly harm the public

4 2: a Squirrel made rifle, that's incredible

5 Can this be an open gun thread

6 a Squirrel made rifle, that's incredible Their tiny hands do good work.

7 4 2: a Squirrel made rifle, that's incredible

Posted by: alex at December 21, 2012 10:31 AM (uFY4s)

 

Now that's just nuts.

8 Good morning, Morons!  Nuke 'em till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!

9 http://tinyurl.com/d37kmmc
My favorite gun picture

10 Property rights trump gun rights...yes, that sounds right. If I can stop you from putting a sign on my property then I can stop you from carrying on my property.

11 A private corporation has the right to ban guns on its premises as long as it doesn't needlessly harm the public When you remove the right of self defense from someone, YOU assume the obligation to provide for it.

12 Depleted Uranium is a strong poison, all it takes is 1 gram of the stuff to kill you (via poisoning)

13 If I take my gun onto my employer's property, I can be fired. Luckily I only have 5 days left.

14 Their tiny hands do good work.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 21, 2012 10:33 AM (QupBk)

 

I see you subscribe to the Willy Wonka school of thought RE: squirrels.   Very good.

15 Someone said squirrel rifles? http://tinyurl.com/copqg4o

16 Bad link.

17 11 A private corporation has the right to ban guns on its premises as long as it doesn't needlessly harm the public

When you remove the right of self defense from someone, YOU assume the obligation to provide for it.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 21, 2012 10:35 AM (GFM2b)

That is what I mean. Any location that bans guns must provide the necessary security for the defense of the denizens within

18

::: the virtual ban on full-auto is a ridiculous infringement on our rights:::

 

No kidding.  I need a 7.62mm minigun in the worst way.

 

I have racoons.

19 Wait, is there actually a fight about this? I thought the general consensus was that the private property owners had a right to say no guns on their property and those who didn't agree with that had every right to say that's fucking stupid and to refuse to go to that place. I don't see a conflict here. So help me, if this starts the Zoning Wars, I'm letting the velociraptors loose on all y'all.

20 Lets try this one then
http://tinyurl.com/y9cmj2o

21 18 ::: the virtual ban on full-auto is a ridiculous infringement on our rights:::

No kidding. I need a 7.62mm minigun in the worst way.

I have racoons.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 21, 2012 10:36 AM (CJjw5)

Damn Coons

22 That is what I mean. Any location that bans guns must provide the necessary security for the defense of the denizens within Which VERY few places do.

23 >When you remove the right of self defense from someone, YOU assume the obligation to provide for it.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 21, 2012 10:35 AM (GFM2b)

and that's the thing- security for employees walking out to their cars after midnight consists of available lighting in the parking lot- a parking lot which is a right of way between several apartment complexes on one side, and several local watering holes on the other

24 22 That is what I mean. Any location that bans guns must provide the necessary security for the defense of the denizens within

Which VERY few places do.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 21, 2012 10:37 AM (GFM2b)

And they should be sued into oblivion

25 Stupid ray-cons.

26 I can't believe you gun nut assholes are in favor of arming squirrels. Will you stop at nothing?

27 9 http://tinyurl.com/d37kmmc My favorite gun picture Posted by: Alex at December 21, 2012 10:34 AM (uFY4s) Linky no worky.

28 26 I can't believe you gun nut assholes are in favor of arming squirrels.

Will you stop at nothing?

Posted by: Phinn at December 21, 2012 10:37 AM (+IPd1)

It would make things interesting

29 When you start arming squirrels, you've gone too far.

30
Well this is simple, the company has a right to protect their property too, any way they see fit.

31 27 9 http://tinyurl.com/d37kmmc
My favorite gun picture
Posted by: Alex at December 21, 2012 10:34 AM (uFY4s)

Linky no worky.

Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2012 10:38 AM (fWAjv)

Try the link below

http://tinyurl.com/y9cmj2o

32 My old company banned guns on company property, including the parking lot. And they searched all cars coming into the parking lot.

33 32 My old company banned guns on company property, including the parking lot. And they searched all cars coming into the parking lot.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2012 10:38 AM (53z96)

why, were they afraid of someone going postal or something

34 I can't believe you gun nut assholes are in favor of arming squirrels. Will you stop at nothing? Oppossums are next.

35 I have a new squirrel rifle on order. Yea!, uh... That's exactly what my new one is for! Won't be anything left of the little buggers when I hit one, but.. that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

36 All rights are property rights.

37 GAU 8 for squirrels . This is gonna' be great !

38 GAU 8 for squirrels . This is gonna' be great !

39 36 All rights are property rights.

Posted by: Phinn at December 21, 2012 10:39 AM (+IPd1)

Guns are property, I have a right to my property

40

A headline on Drudge:

 

 Gun Supplier Sells 3.5 Years Worth of Magazines -- in Just 3 Days!

CNS News: http://tiny.cc/33aopw

 

Brownells, the world's largest supplier of firearms, has reportedly sold three-and-a-half years worth of magazines in just seventy-two hours.

 

Guns.com reports that Bronwnells spokesman Jason Corpus said:

 

"I wanted to take a minute to shed some insight on the magazine situation if I can. First of all I wanted to offer an apology for the situation... with magazines being 'In-Stock' and back-ordered moments later... [The] demand for magazines actually exceeded the ability for the system to keep up with the volume that was being ordered.

 

"To shed some more light on the magazine    situation at present, it really has been unprecedented in the last 5 days. During a roughly 72 hour period...we sold the 'average demand' equivalent of about 3.5 years worth of PMAGS, and an even greater amount of our Brownells magazines."...

 

41 20 Lets try this one then http://tinyurl.com/y9cmj2o Posted by: Alex at December 21, 2012 10:36 AM (uFY4s) Ahhh. Good ol' Davy Crockett. I hear tell you can get one at a local gun show...well, that's what O'Reilly said.

42 36
All rights are property rights.

Eh? Even freedom of speech and religion?

43
Here is another good gun picture
http://tinyurl.com/2cy2j2m

44 Ooops .

45 20 Lets try this one then

Does that come with a high-cap magazine?

46 Infinite scripts when you come here on Mozilla.

47

re: 33

 

Military Bases do searches too....

 

http://preview.tinyurl.com/cgfdmg5

48 The M65 Atomic Cannon

49 Dammit. Atomic Annie. Davy Crockett was the more insane idea.

50 If they come for the Flying Manatee Brigade, all bets are off. Apropos of me being the Best Employee Ever, if anyone has seen my motivation, please return it. Thanks.

51

One of my co-workers got a brand new AICS .338 lapua. He brought it inside and as me and a few other coworkers were looking at it, the boss walked by. He stopped, said "hooooly shit" and then demanded to see it.

New gun show and tell is kinda mandatory now.

52 All I want for Christmas is a nuclear cannon

53

54 I will use it responsibly

55 Even freedom of speech and religion? Yes.

56

My old company banned guns on company property, including the parking
lot. And they searched all cars coming into the parking lot.

 

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2012 10:38 AM (53z96)

 

 

You worked at the Post  Office? 

57 If you start arming the chipmunks, you're ASKING for trouble.

58 OT Sorry, but this is important. It's Apocalypse Day on TCM. Last man on earth movies.

59 oops...Can we talk about important shit?....like the former Olympic runner who was an LVNV escort on the sly/side?

60 UPDATE: Former Marine To Be Released From Mexican Prison...

61 I will use it responsibly And only for good, cue AtC.

62 New gun show and tell is kinda mandatory now. I used to have a part time job like that. God bless fly-over country!

63

"The founders didn't add the 2nd Amendment to protect our right to hunt or target shoot...."

 

It's so refreshing to have cobloggers who understand basic concepts. 

64 60 UPDATE: Former Marine To Be Released From Mexican Prison...

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 21, 2012 10:44 AM (8sCoq)

Ummmmm, you're welcome!

65 55 Even freedom of speech and religion?

Yes.

Posted by: Phinn at December 21, 2012 10:44 AM (+IPd1)

Sorry, you're going to have to explicate that one because I'm seeing some pretty intangible rights there.

66 61 I will use it responsibly

And only for good, cue AtC.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 21, 2012 10:44 AM (QupBk)

have to go to english finals now, bye everybody.

67 It's the Winter Solstice. Shouldn't we be strangling a few hobos in a bog somewhere?

68 They thought of guns second. That's how meaningless they are.

69 29 When you start arming squirrels, you've gone too far. Posted by: jwest at December 21, 2012 10:38 AM (ZDsRL) I for one have always supported the right to keep and arm bears. What...?

70 The M65 Atomic Cannon

single shot ... check
no pistol grip ... check
no bayonet lugs ... check

Nope, definitely not an assault weapon.

71 59 oops...Can we talk about important shit?....like the former Olympic runner who was an LVNV escort on the sly/side?

Posted by: Max Wedge at December 21, 2012 10:44 AM (RLkAE)

 

Link and pics required.

72 Post needs moar IDF babe. http://bit.ly/VUv5iY

73 Breaking but not unexpected news: Horseface Kerry will be officially nominated for Secretary of State

74 Employer doesn't need a policy since the city I work in does. Pretty safe environment here. Aggravated Assault 3,238 Arson 49 Burglary 4,224 Forcible Rape 184 Larceny and Theft 18,050 Motor Vehicle Theft 4,864 Murder and Manslaughter 132 Robbery 3,914

75 Communism here we come.  Let's just skip to the natural end of it by helping it die faster. 

76

Come to AZ My fellow morons

On July 13, 2009 Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed a

new law restricting the ability of Arizona employers to

prevent employees from storing lawfully owned firearms

in locked vehicles in the employerÂ’s parking lot. With

some limited exceptions, beginning on September 30 an

Arizona employer will not be able to prohibit an employee

from storing a lawfully owned gun in a privately owned

car parked in the employerÂ’s parking lot.

77

Everyone has the right to go to hell in their own way, just as you have a right not to associate with them.  Get a job with an outfit that doesn't hate guns.  Work for your self.  Live your life in a manner that this is possible.

By the way, gun show loophole is lefty language manipulation speak for ban or record all private sales.  You can't confiscate a gun if you can't find it, and you can't find it if they move freely without record in private party sales.

Of the many gun shows I've been to in the last few years, I have only seen two or three private parties, and they were only advertising a single gun.  Every single one of those several thousand firarms for sale at each of those shows required a federal background check, which the dealers do right there while you wait.  Cell phones are good for something.

 

78 Was in Gander Mountain yesterday.  They announced to all present that they were sold out of all AR-15s and all AR-15 magazines. 

79

Just a thought, but doesn't a workplace ban have the effect of prohibiting someone from carrying when not on work property (ie on the way to work or home from work?)

 

To me it seems a worthwhile compromise would be to allow people to at least lock up their guns in their cars if they so choose.  I wouldn't want to force a business to allow carry if they didn't want, but I don't want people to be endangered by the unintended consequences of that policy either.

80 Our enemies are those people employed in distributing the news and entertainment, as well as those indoctrinating people throughout Academia.  As long as these people are able to influence the population, our rights will always be in jeopardy.

81 >Breaking but not unexpected news: Horseface Kerry will be officially nominated for Secretary of State


when does the enSwiftBoatening begin?

82 If someone is sent to prison and forced to give up their ability to defend themselves, the government becomes legally responsible for their safety. If a company wants to do the same, they should likewise become legally responsible for any attacks on their employees that the employee could have defended themselves from if the company had not disarmed them. If the company has no problem assuming that responsibility, then, by all means, assert your property rights.

83 Posted by: alexthechick - Told you we weren't worthy of SMOD at December 21, 2012 10:47 AM (VtjlW)

Oh, yes....

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 21, 2012 10:48 AM (1Jaio)

In case you weren't aware that VietNam Vet John Kerry served in VietNam, he is a VietNam vet that served in VietNam.

84 The anti gun lobby probably owns stock in the black rifle manufacturers. Why else would they act to boost sales?

85

Let's hope the Swift Boat Vets crank up the machinery again against that piece of shit Kerry.  It appears it's official that he's being nominated for Secretary of State.

 

Get him under oath and let loose on his sorry ass.  Make Kennedy's rant against Bork seem like praise in comparison.  Time to take the gloves off.

86 A gun thread. Beautiful.


Horde's opinion please.



http://tinyurl.com/cyqbhvy

87 >To me it seems a worthwhile compromise would be to allow people to at least lock up their guns in their cars if they so choose.


I think there are some states- Texas comes to mind- that says employees may keep a gun in their car parked on employer's property

88 Greetings from the humanities

89 Hiding in the middle of the river is heroic now. We call that fishing here.

90 @51 Holy smoke. Aren't those $10K+?

91 Now lets talk about our feelings

92 has anyone here ever bought a gun at a gun show? I'm in the market for a .38 snub

93 91 Now lets talk about our feelings

Posted by: alex at December 21, 2012 10:54 AM (uFY4s)

I feel horny, yet vertiginous.

94 I'm pretty sure any volunteer militia recognized by a state governor has a 10th Amendment exemption from federal armament statutes. The states voluntarily opt into the National Guard system and have simply chosen not to fund two separate militia systems when the Guard is federally equipped and trained. The National Guard only came about when technology moved from musket rifles to centerfire magazine rifles. If you have two muskets of different caliber you can remelt the bullets to match on-site, like at Bunker Hill. If you hit the beach with 1000 rounds of the wrong steel-jacketed brass cartridges, as in 1898 Cuba, you're screwed. After the Spanish-American war, everybody saw the sense in a national standard for militia equipment. And the best way to achieve it was for the federal arsenal to open itself to the states. But the practical history doesn't cancel out the 2nd and 10th Amendments. If Ohio wants 3 regiments of horse dragoons it can raise them anytime. If it wants them to have RPGs, it can issue them.

95 Is Kerry going to pull that "I'm reporting for duty" bullshit again.

96

97 92 has anyone here ever bought a gun at a gun show? I'm in the market for a .38 snub Posted by: Jones in CO at December 21, 2012 10:54 AM (8sCoq) Yes. Glock 19.

98 Our enemies are those people employed in distributing the news and entertainment, as well as those indoctrinating people throughout Academia. As long as these people are able to influence the population, our rights will always be in jeopardy. Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 21, 2012 10:50 AM (bb5+k) I believe "manufacturing and distributing" is probably a better explanation of mfm.

99 If someone is sent to prison and forced to give up their ability to defend themselves, the governmentbecomes legally responsible for their safety. One of the first things taught to prison guards who walk handcuffed inmates down hallways.

100 I also feel the value of my 403(B) slipping down the mountainside.

101

My old company banned guns on company property, including the parking lot. And they searched all cars coming into the parking lot.

 

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2012 10:38 AM (53z96)

 

My old company bought a really nice temperature and humidity controlled gun safe for my office.

 

Guess you just got to pick the right employer.

102 IDF Babes (apparently that's an actual photobucket album thing)



http://tinyurl.com/crmja36

103 BCochran, The 870 is one of the best shotties you can buy. Go for it.

104 I am a second amendment absolutest.  The right to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged.  That means that ANY gun control law is unconstitutional.



We can have incorporation or not have any incorporation.

105

OT, but          the Norks have confirmed today that they arrested an American back in early November   and he is awaiting trial.  

 

Linked at Drudge.

 

AFP - North Korea confirmed Friday that it had arrested a US citizen in November, saying legal action would be taken against him but giving no details of the charges.

 

The man, identified as Pae Jun-Ho, entered North Korea on November 3 as a tourist, and "committed a crime" against the country, the official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said.

 

"He was put into custody by a relevant institution," it added.

 

...

 

The arrest was first reported earlier this month by a South Korean newspaper which had identified the detainee as a a 44-year-old Korean-American tour operator...

 

Who goes on a tour to NORTH KOREA?   Seriously? 

 

 

106 If a company has a gun-free policy when you apply for the job, you are accepting the situation.  Don't like it?  Don't take the job.

107 Oppossums are next. Don't be silly. As marsupials, their pouches make them naturals for ammo carriers, or perhaps grenadiers.

108 Cuomo is shooting his fat mouth off, no pun intended, about having forced buy backs and confiscations in ny.

109 106 If a company has a gun-free policy when you apply for the job, you are accepting the situation. Don't like it? Don't take the job.

Posted by: Al at December 21, 2012 10:57 AM (V70Uh)

Yes. There is a contractual component at work here.

110 Guns make me feel bad/sarc

111 Cuomo is shooting his fat mouth off, no pun intended, about having forced buy backs and confiscations in ny.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 21, 2012 10:58 AM (Z9EHQ)

 

Someone should tell him to shut his trap before they stuff    that hideous   Christmas    tree of his    right up his ass.

112 108 Cuomo is shooting his fat mouth off, no pun intended, about having forced buy backs and confiscations in ny.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 21, 2012 10:58 AM (Z9EHQ)

Then he can go collecting guns in Bedford Stuyvesant.

113 Who goes on a tour to NORTH KOREA? Seriously? Curiousity or family.

114

NRA is about to make their first statement since the shootings.

 

Let's hope they don't go all wobbly on us.

 

 

115
103 BCochran,

The 870 is one of the best shotties you can buy. Go for it.

Posted by: EC at December 21, 2012 10:56 AM (doBIb)

Just waiting for the check to clear. The wife has given me, limited, freedom for purchases. Shotgun, looking around for a carry gun, plenty of ammo for everything. I asked her last night if she wanted anything. If she wanted a carry gun for her purse. As of right now, she says no.

116 alexthechick - Told you we weren't worthy of SMOD

Day ain't over yet!

117 Let's hope they don't go all wobbly on us.

Posted by: jwest at December 21, 2012 11:00 AM (ZDsRL)

 

I would not take that bet.

118 Can you imagine a "Palestinian Defense Force" babes catalog, it would be hideous.

119 Gander Mountain sells Barett .50 cal rifles? How was I not aware of this

120 Paladin.   Barrel.

121 Just as "encryption software" is considered a munition under US export control, the Founders saw the right to bear arms meaning everything required to form an militia.  This not only includes the guns required for a militia action, but ships, cannons, explosives, all the way down to guns that would be necessary for an able-bodied person to fight .. this means semi-auto and full-auto guns.

122 Posted by: Paladin at December 21, 2012 11:01 AM (mCOPv)



Barrel.

123 Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 21, 2012 11:00 AM (da5Wo) before you leap, have you considered the 1100?

124 before you leap, have you considered the 1100?

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 21, 2012 11:02 AM (Z9EHQ)

Nice looking gun. Wife insists that she'll feel more comfortable with a pistol grip. Honestly, I prefer that "look". Also, the model I'm interested in has a "recoil reduction system" which is beneficial for the lady.

125 Hubby is insisting I learn how to shoot. Not a big fan.

126

If you can justify forcing business owners to ban smoking, you can force them to allow weapons.

 

Just call it a safety issue. More responisible gun owners means less chance of dying from a violent robbery.

127 Someone related a story about Barrett sending some lapd rifles back before finishing some maintenance on them because the lapd misrepresented some barrett products in a press conference. suppliers of firearms and related materials would do well to side with absolutists on second amendment issues. Americans would do well to not patronize anyone who is not a second amendment true believer.

128

RemEmber those OLD moviEs that made the cowboys drop their gunns off with the SHeriff before they could enter the TOWn?

129 I believe "manufacturing and distributing" is probably a better explanation of mfm.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 21, 2012 10:56 AM (Z9EHQ)

I stand corrected.

130 I am a second amendment absolutest. The right to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged. That means that ANY gun control law is unconstitutional.



We can have incorporation or not have any incorporation.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2012 10:56 AM (53z96)

One of my favorite questions was "What part of "Shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

131 one right should never override another right ...  and in this case they don't ...  private property rights allow one to require no one come on to your property armed ...  that doesn't eliminate anyones right to keep and bear arms ...  you just have to do so OFF the property ...

132 > Hubby is insisting I learn how to shoot. Not a big fan.

Posted by: jmel at December 21, 2012 11:05 AM (5EBXZ)

It's fun. And could save your life one day.

133 "I believe "manufacturing and distributing" is probably a better explanation of mfm."

I'm really confused now...are we talking about threesomes here?

134 Jmel, Start with a .22 and target plinking. It's fun and teaches you the basics of shooting. Be safe!

135

Hubby is insisting I learn how to shoot. Not a big fan.

Out of curiosity, why aren't you a fan?  Is it the act of shooting a gun?  The recoil?  Are you just not interested?

136 Nice looking gun. Wife insists that she'll feel more comfortable with a pistol grip. Honestly, I prefer that "look". Also, the model I'm interested in has a "recoil reduction system" which is beneficial for the lady. Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 21, 2012 11:05 AM (da5Wo) you can get a pistol grip on the 1100 in the tactical models I am pretty sure brownells sells them as well. also is your wife comfortable using a pump in a stressful situation. nevermind, I am sure you know what you are doing. I have been having a similar debate with a friend lately. he originally moved me away from the pumps.

137 Ugly hag from CODEPINK just disrupted NRA presser.

138 DiogenesLamp sorry for nit picking.

139 I'm really confused now...are we talking about threesomes here? Posted by: Country Singer at December 21, 2012 11:11 AM (L8r/r) moron

140 "Ugly hag from CODEPINK"  =  Redundant

141 Second protester now, same original thinking. LePierre is kicking ass, in the nicest possible way.

Who's the big Tom Cotton fan? He has a column in WSJ today, against Hagel.

142 Pretty impassioned speech by LaPierre right now.

143 Shotgun + babe =. FULL OF WIN!!! http://tinyurl.com/bmtg2ul

144 NRA calls for armed police in every school. Before the end of Christmas vacation.

I'm saving the doughnut joke for later, but I'm warning you, it's coming.

145 And Fox fades it out as Wayne gets to Eddie Eagle.
NRA offers its 11000 police trainers as resource. "We've done it before."
Substantive. Wonder what The Profession of Journalism will do to it.

146 Concealed carry. Concealed being the operative word, keep your friggen lip zipped and company policy be damned.

147

Ugly hag from CODEPINK just disrupted NRA presser

 

Your gonna have to be more specific for an ID.  Could be anyone of them.  Except the one in the pic on the park bench with her gunt  visibly hanging down under the hem of her "sundress."  She probably doesn't  lumber  around too much.

148 Yep...I feel shame.  Sorry.

149 So help me, if this starts the Zoning Wars, I'm letting the velociraptors loose on all y'all. Don't bring velociraptors to a gun fight. But if you do, don't be surprised if I bring a 7.62mm minigun.

150 Is there such thing as a .22 full auto? That would be hilarious.

151 Of course Bainbridge is correct, if one right can trump another right then they are both meaningless.

Competing interests are at play, and that is the purpose of a court system, but more importantly one where supreme authority rests with a jury of your peers.  When a court is immune from the consequences of it's decisions justice will rarely prevail.

152 "Is there such thing as a .22 full auto?"

Ceiner used to make .22lr conversions for AR-15s, if you had a legal M16 then the device could be modified to be used in your full auto weapon.

153 Th only real downside to .22lr in an M16 is the lead deposits that build up in the gas tube.  After alot of .22LR you needed to run through a magazine of .223 and hold your breath while a big cloud of white dust came blasting out.

154

@153

 

Unless you get a dedicated .22 barrel with no gas tube hole. Spikes sells them.

155 147 It was the blonde-hired one. Is that Medea Benjamin or Jodie?

156 Even freedom of speech and religion?

Yes.

Posted by: Phinn at December 21, 2012 10:44 AM (+IPd1)

Sorry, you're going to have to explicate that one because I'm seeing some pretty intangible rights there.

All property rights originate with self-ownership.  Ownership of the self is the reason we have ownership over the other objects we use (i.e., "the fruits of our labor").

By merely engaging in ethical argument (or legal argument, as a variant of ethical argument), a person affirms the existence of objective ethical propositions. 

Likewise, by the very act of engaging in violence (exercising control over the property of another), a person denies the existence of ethical propositions, and therefore has no ethical basis to complain about being shot, killed and ground into food for pigs, for example. 

Either we relate to one another without ethics, in which case there is no property and no limits on violence other than what one can physically accomplish, or ethical propositions are universal and objective. 

There is no formulation of universal or objective ethical principles that could possibly grant someone else a superior claim over the use of my body. 

157 If you can justify forcing business owners to ban smoking, you can force them to allow weapons. This. In spades. An ace, even...

158 Sawed off shotguns !! Full auto !! Explosive rounds !! Atomic Bombs !! and no felony exceptions. That is what the 2nd Amendment calls for in plain language.

159 >>>That is what the 2nd Amendment calls for in plain language.

Oh look a troll. How does losing feel troll? Cause your side just got pounded.

Did you know that the homicide rate right now is much lower than it was when the 2nd amendment was adopted. Of course you don't you're a troll.

Did you know that semi-automatic weapons are over 100 years old. Of course you don't you're a troll.

Did you know that rifles with detachable magazines are over 100 years old.Of course you don't you're a troll.

Did you know that the US lowest homicide rate occurred in 1957, with the same weapon technologies we have today and far fewer gun laws. Of course you don't you're a troll.

So go ahead and slay that strawman. 'Cause that's what the impotent do.

160 I really hate it when businesses post "no guns" signs, but I respect their right to do so. If I were a legislator, my preferred way to nudge businesses out of doing so would be to make them liable if anything happens and a disarmed concealed carry permit holder was present.

They could still ban guns if they wanted. But they'd be less likely to want to.

161

My personal defense doctrine is overwhelming firepower with a fallback of Mutual Assured Destruction.

So yes, I do need an assault rifle.

And an RPG.

162 So how is my employer going to guarantee my safety while I am driving to and from work? If I can't leave my gun locked in my car on their property that means I can't carry to and from work...so they have the right to demand I be defenseless for an hour and a half each day?

163 If I accept the property owner's requirement to not bring a firearm onto his property, does he have a responsibility to protect me from assault? If I'm assaulted do I have the right to sue the property owner? Does this prohibition implicitly deny me any right of self defense while on the property?

164 I am a strong 2nd Amendment supporter and NRA Life Member.  I agree with Prof. Bainbridge that a company has a right to ban firearms on its private property.  I certainly have a right to kick someone out of my house for being armed if that is what I want to do.  The company has the same right I do, regardless of the wisdom of that decision.  That said, the issue becomes more problematic for firearms in a private automobile that is parked on company property.  Terminating someone for showing off the gun is one thing, but it becomes a much tougher call if the gun is discovered by chance--for example, what if a co-worker is helping an employee load something into the trunk of his car and sees a firearm in the trunk?  I suspect that in that case the employee should not be terminated because the weapon was there for reasons entirely separate from his work, and he has the right to self defense on his way to and from work.  Finally, let me just add that banning firearms from the workplace is probably a bad idea, since a "gun free zone" might better be called a "target rich environment".  Nevertheless, companies, like people, have the right to control their private property.

165

National Firearms Act 4, 11, 26 U.S.C.A. 1132c, 1132j; U.S.C.A. Const. Amend. 2. Federal Supplement p.26

On January 3, 1939, the District Court, W.D. Arkansas, Fort Smith Division ruled the NFA '34 unconstitutional. Two men, Miller and Lansky, were seen outside a bank with a sawed off shotgun. They were arrested and charged with violation of interstate commerce. The violation was that the men had brought the gun into Arkansas from Texas without an NFA tax stamp. The men had indeed brought the gun into Arkansas from Texas. The court rejected all arguments by the prosecution. The court ruled the NFA '34 was unconstitutional:

"A provision in the National Firearms Act prohibiting delivery of firearms in interstate commerce without a stamp-affixed order is violative of the constitutional amendment providing that right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Arkansas appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court. Thus was born the "Miller case" that anti-gun people say ruled the 2nd Amd is not an individual right. That's bogus, of course. All the USSC ruled was that a sawed off shotgun was not the type of gun protected by the 2nd Amd because it was not a "normal" type of gun used by the militia or the U.S. armed forces.

The court was wrong about that, of course. The blunderbuss was the original short barrel shotgun (SBS), developed around the 1100's in Holland and specifically used as a military arm.

But more than that the US Supreme Court, in taking Arkansas' appeal of the lower court's ruling in the Miller case, remanded the case back to the Arkansas Distict court.  However, nowhere in their review and remanding of the Miller case back to the Arkansas District court did the US Supreme court EVER  OVERTURN  THE  ARKANSAS  DISTRICT  COURTS' RULING  THAT  NFA  1934  WAS  UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

THUS...THE  NFA  LICENSING,  TAXATION,  AND  REGISTRATION  SCHEME  IS  STILL  UNCONSTITUTIONAL.