June 16, 2012
— Dave in Texas Hold at all costs.
Three remote hills 60 miles north of Seoul. Tom, Dick and Harry. Five rifle companies, four American and one Greek, about 700 in total held the line against a full division of CCF (Communist Chinese Forces) supported with artillery.
A division is 13 to 15 thousand soldiers. Those were twenty to one odds.
Outpost Harry was on the hill in the foreground. The other hill, "Star Hill" was held by the Chinese forces.
More below, including a video from the men who fought there and survived to tell us about what happened to them 59 years ago this week. Each night during this battle Outpost Harry was defended by a single company of soldiers. The Communist Chinese forces assaulted it brutally, successfully breaching the trenches several times, with desperate hand to hand combat. Each time repulsed. One night a company commander pulled his troops together, and called in fire on his own position. A week of night after night assaults, but they held.
Those five rifle companies sustained 114 men killed, almost 500 wounded. They killed over 4,000 of their enemy. An Army Sergeant from Alabama, Ola L. Mize, Col. US Army (ret) was awarded the Medal of Honor for his bravery in action on June 10 at Outpost Harry.
In memory of the men who fought here, who together were awarded the Distinguished Unit Citation for their performance on Harry. King Company, 15th. Infantry Regiment for the night of June 10/11, Baker Company, 15 Infantry for the night of June 11/12, Able Company, 5th. Regimental Combat Team for the night of June 12/13 and Peter Company, Greek Battalion for the night of June 17/18.
"In the annals of United States Infantry history it appears that this is the only time this many rifle companies received this distinguished award for an engagement of this type."
Two videos (and fair warning, one has Charlie Rangel in it, and despite my contempt for him as a politician, he did serve in Korea.)
They held. The cost was terrible.
This was the "forgotten war."
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Posted by: Uncle Jed at June 16, 2012 10:46 AM (AVfT8)
Stoney Jackson took one look up at it and said "Ladies, if this hill doesn't kill us it'll surely break our hearts."
Posted by: Vic at June 16, 2012 10:54 AM (YdQQY)
2 God Bless the magnificent men and women of the United States Armed Forces, past, present and future.
Amen, Uncle Jed.
Posted by: wheatie at June 16, 2012 10:54 AM (M2JTb)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 16, 2012 10:56 AM (hLuo6)
He survived.
When he came home, he slept for three days. They sent a doctor over to see if he was dead.
Fuck the commies.
MacArthur was right, we should have dropped the A bomb on them.
Truman was a pussy shit who was still upset about all his liberal friends giving him shit about dropping the first A bomb
You got it? USE IT. It's fucking war. Kill you enemies, you win.
http://tinyurl.com/d2qplz
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at June 16, 2012 10:59 AM (Cydud)
Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2012 10:59 AM (YiODH)
..."This was the "forgotten war.""
Except for Hollywood using it as the setting for their longest running anti-war TV series.....M*A*S*H.
Posted by: wheatie at June 16, 2012 11:00 AM (M2JTb)
That or zero content is not getting anyone to post.
You do know that the Colt 45 is the worst fucking gun every made, right?
That and you momma doesn't have a daddy.
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at June 16, 2012 11:05 AM (Cydud)
Posted by: SFGoth at June 16, 2012 11:07 AM (62aFk)
Posted by: Michelle Obama at June 16, 2012 11:08 AM (ZXOR3)
Posted by: Candidate B H Obama at June 16, 2012 11:09 AM (c3mby)
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 16, 2012 11:09 AM (EmK13)
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 16, 2012 11:09 AM (jUytm)
The citations for the awards here are amazing for the selfless nature of the men.
Posted by: Beto at June 16, 2012 11:11 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 16, 2012 11:12 AM (mFxQX)
Posted by: Vic at June 16, 2012 02:54 PM (YdQQY)
Heartbreak Ridge was fought in 51. There were alot of hill battles in Korea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Heartbreak_Ridge
Posted by: elliot at June 16, 2012 11:12 AM (3caZC)
Someone was just telling me about this unit. The entire unit froze to death in the mountains in Korea.
And then they named a unit after them -- the Frozen Chosen.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 16, 2012 03:09 PM (jUytm)
The Frozen Chosen refers to the Battle of the Chosin Reservoir by the First Marine Division, which was surrounded by a couple hundred thousand Chinese during MacArthur's drive to the Yalu River.
Posted by: elliot at June 16, 2012 11:15 AM (3caZC)
Posted by: village idiot at June 16, 2012 11:16 AM (utXSy)
Posted by: Candidate B H Obama at June 16, 2012 03:09 PM (c3mby) <<
Fighting on which side?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 16, 2012 11:16 AM (hLuo6)
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 16, 2012 11:20 AM (jUytm)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/7ekhs5j
(HT Althouse)
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 16, 2012 03:09 PM (EmK13)
------------------------Notice how they lump materialism - the idea that success in life is measured solely by the accumulation of wealth and status - together with ideals of manliness.
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Posted by: Midaz at June 16, 2012 11:44 AM (JzHho)
http://tinyurl.com/7kyzoog
Posted by: elliot at June 16, 2012 11:47 AM (3caZC)
General Trudeau came up on an inspection and told us that Porkchop had to be held at all costs. I thought generals only talked like that in movies, but apparently I was mistaken," wrote Private Palermo.
My uncle was presented the Distinguished Service Cross for distinguished himself by extraordinary heroism in action against enemy aggressor forces in the vicinity of Sokkogae, Korea, on the afternoon of 8 July 1953 commanding a battalion counterattacking a numerically superior enemy force.
But by July 11, General Taylor ordered the hill abandoned, writing, "The cost of continuing to defend Pork Chop became so prohibitive under the massed Chinese attacks that I authorized its evacuation."
Posted by: maverick muse at June 16, 2012 11:47 AM (BAnPT)
Now, if I had been President back then, we would have talked it through with the NoKos, reasoned with them, used smart diplomacy and arrived at a mutally satisfactory resolution without all the bloodshed and loss of life. The NoKos would have a statue of me standing shoulder to shoulder with Kim Il-Sung in peace and harmony. **
** 173 instances of extraneous speech redacted.
Posted by: Preezy One Termer at June 16, 2012 11:50 AM (4q5tP)
Posted by: Flying Manatee at June 16, 2012 11:54 AM (qzZ+D)
Yep. Charlie is actually a very smart guy, he's just playing for the wrong team. Its also said that he's an INTJ.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 16, 2012 11:56 AM (eiPut)
The Norks have an air force, and antiaircraft systems.
Posted by: DaveA at June 16, 2012 12:02 PM (NqmTy)
#5
Kinda puts that bitch Jane Fonda in perspective, doesn't it?
She might have been there. Just, you know, on the other hill.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 16, 2012 12:07 PM (L7hol)
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 16, 2012 12:07 PM (eiPut)
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 16, 2012 12:09 PM (eiPut)
Posted by: BUTCH at June 16, 2012 12:09 PM (0APJ3)
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Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2012 12:14 PM (YiODH)
Posted by: sTevo at June 16, 2012 12:15 PM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Alex at June 16, 2012 12:17 PM (sy0Uv)
Posted by: Baraka Obama, Top Four President at June 16, 2012 12:18 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Jackdaddy63 at June 16, 2012 12:18 PM (7v8KM)
It seems to measure your personality at the moment you are taking it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 16, 2012 12:19 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Patton at June 16, 2012 12:20 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: Professor Joseph Biden at June 16, 2012 12:20 PM (jucos)
I can go ENTJ. When I do I have to have time to recharge. Especially after public speaking.
Posted by: sTevo at June 16, 2012 12:21 PM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2012 12:22 PM (YiODH)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 16, 2012 12:23 PM (JvGyN)
Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2012 12:24 PM (YiODH)
Posted by: Herpglerble at June 16, 2012 12:25 PM (QGwv0)
My dad also says the coldest place in the world was Korea. I guess it's like Battle of The Bulge survivors. He said he had to watch his clothes 24/7. If your mom sent you a scarf or some mittens you couldn't let them out of your sight.
That's from someone who spent a year stationed in Alaska. From which, the Army shipped his ass straight to Vietnam.
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 16, 2012 12:28 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 16, 2012 12:31 PM (JvGyN)
The "2nd Battle" for Pork Chop Hill in July happened after peace negotiations reached an agreed upon treaty. Everything had been settled between NKorea and the UN/US; everything except SKorea's agreement, dashing the culminated peace deal. After that, the NKoreans determined to quit fighting defensive and assert "retribution". When SKorea refused peace, the NKoreans demanded American forces retreat immediately. On the eve of the 2nd Pork Chop Hill Battle, the NKoreans announced on loudspeakers to our men on Hill 225 that they must surrender unconditionally as no prisoners would be taken.
Korea was a UN War. White washing it as if it wasn't ours is reprehensible. Right after WWII, the US ran the UN. The USSR didn't have the voting block to actually veto what the US wanted. And China certainly didn't in the 1950-60s. (Thank Nixon/Kissinger for advancing Red China.) So the rationale FOR that war was our own, gaming the domino theory, amassing a coalition of forces since US citizens were NOT in favor of another war, especially a war in Asia. Damn the pomposity of humble pie Trumann, his generals were against it, MacArthur and Eisenhower were against it, particularly against the US Military being "led" by the UN. MacArthur advised a plan to bomb a demilitarized no man's land, which Trumann vetoed, and subsequently dismissed the General, choosing instead the years of bloody loss of life and heart without "victory". So America elected Eisenhower who promised to get us out of Korea, and delivered. Now, who all ridicules Eisenhower's final speech against the American Wars-R-US industry?
Anyway, I can't recall an American aggressive war against a smaller communist country that bore the promised fruits of being welcomed as the good guys by the "real" people in Korea, Vietnam, S.America, where ever. And that experience in SE Asia ramped up by big business moving in to rake in profits while causing such hard feelings amongst the indigenous populations inspired the best seller book of the day, "The Ugly American".
Posted by: maverick muse at June 16, 2012 12:31 PM (BAnPT)
I was responding to the link in 13.
****
Thanks for the clarification. I just clicked and read about 2.5 paragraphs before I'd had enough.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 16, 2012 12:31 PM (piMMO)
67 I thought INTJ's were pretty rare. Not here apparently.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 16, 2012 04:23 PM (JvGyN)
Sounds like me, too. It's a royal PITA to deal with egotistical extrovert managers who can't think past their nose and constantly send their underlings out on (figuratively) suicide missions.
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 16, 2012 12:32 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Patton at June 16, 2012 12:35 PM (j1gX1)
Maverick Muse. I don't know a whole lot about the Korean war. A question.
*Everything had been settled between NKorea and the UN/US; everything except SKorea's agreement*
What didn't SKorea agree to? I know the UN has been f'd up for a long time. Were the SKorean's going to get thrown under the bus?
Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2012 12:37 PM (YiODH)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 16, 2012 12:38 PM (jucos)
He flew in a C-119 "Flying Boxcar" cargo plane.
His plane was hit by "friendly fire."
Posted by: Neo at June 16, 2012 12:40 PM (e8kgV)
Nuking Japan bent Truman's brain. He actually had the USAF drop leaflets on industrial targets warning of bombings in order to minimize "civilian" loss of life.
That's an incredible leap from Bomber Harris and Winston Churchill, who considered the people that made lunches for war industry workers enemies to be killed.
And then there was that Sherman fellow.
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 16, 2012 12:44 PM (7+pP9)
What didn't SKorea agree to? I know the UN has been f'd up for a long time. Were the SKorean'sgoing to get thrown under the bus?
Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2012 04:37 PM (YiODH)
The sticking point was POW repatriation.
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 16, 2012 12:46 PM (7+pP9)
As for Truman, a lot of people consider him a good President with the "Buck Stops Here" bull shit. In fact, he was a shitty President, just a continuation of FDR. He was also a crook from the Pendergas regime.
Posted by: Vic at June 16, 2012 12:47 PM (YdQQY)
#82
The sticking point was POW repatriation.
I always thought the sticking point was the 1 billion Chinese just across the border.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 16, 2012 12:50 PM (L7hol)
Ah, Thanks Ed Anger Issues.
I just took the M/B test. Apparently I'm INJT. Of course tomorrow may be different.
Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2012 12:52 PM (YiODH)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at June 16, 2012 12:55 PM (jts1f)
The NORKs wanted all NORK POWs to be returned to North Korea. South Korea wanted the POWs to be able to pick where they wanted to stay after the armistice.
That was what Pork Chop Hill was fought over.
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 16, 2012 12:55 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2012 12:59 PM (YiODH)
Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2012 01:01 PM (YiODH)
Pendergast was a crooked machine politician, and he placed Harry Truman in the Senate when he had strong control over the Kansas City. Mo politics.
And Roosevelt and his administration (who also had their crooked elements) consciously picked Truman as his VP in 1944 because of Roosevelt's failing health (those closest to him had no illusions about his surviving his FOURTH term - he was a very sick man).
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes... at June 16, 2012 01:03 PM (sJTmU)
I'm kinda ashamed that that more people on this "smart military blog" don't know more about the Korean War.
I guess that's why it's called "the forgotten war".
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 16, 2012 01:04 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: That Chick In The Movie With The Squinty Eyes at June 16, 2012 01:04 PM (MG6Y6)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at June 16, 2012 01:05 PM (jts1f)
Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2012 01:06 PM (YiODH)
Posted by: yakima canutt at June 16, 2012 01:08 PM (kyEOq)
Korean War trivia:
Lionel trains stopped manufacturing train locomotives with "magna-traction" during the Korean War because they used strategic war supplies.
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 16, 2012 01:08 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2012 01:09 PM (YiODH)
Posted by: Vic at June 16, 2012 01:09 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Cricket at June 16, 2012 01:10 PM (2ArJQ)
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at June 16, 2012 01:10 PM (a4CUi)
#90
And BTW, the NORKs caved.
True enough. But it was China that pulled those strings. NK is barely capable of providing a succession of 'leaders' that are, at best, minimally qualified to perform in midget tranny porn. Without China's entry into that conflict, there would be no NK today.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 16, 2012 01:12 PM (L7hol)
Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2012 01:13 PM (YiODH)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at June 16, 2012 01:17 PM (jts1f)
The 90's was different that the 50's. I'm not a rocket scientist nor a historian, but your incoherant rants are tiresome.
Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2012 01:17 PM (YiODH)
Posted by: mugiwara at June 16, 2012 01:19 PM (KI/Ch)
97 My stepdad-Mr. R.P.Lee-flew a B-24 over the hump in WW II, about half bombing missions, and half supply missions for Chaing-kai-shek. Part of the arms shipments were cases of .45 tommy guns. Mr kai shek never really got in the fight and mao inherited a bunch of goodies when he took over. Many chicoms came across the river armed with--ya guessed it--American made Thompson sub machine guns.
Posted by: yakima canutt at June 16, 2012 05:08 PM (kyEOq)
Read the Barbara Tuchman's book on Stilwell. Chiang Kai Shek never wanted to mix it up with the Japs -- he hoarded everything America gave him for the war against Mao he knew was pending. The dumbass never had a clue that Mao was actually winning "the hearts and minds" of the peasants by fighting the Japs while he was doing nothing but hoarding supplies.
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 16, 2012 01:21 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at June 16, 2012 01:22 PM (a4CUi)
112 108 Nice personal attack, a-hole. I'm proud of my service. Get off my back, pissant and bug somebody else.
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at June 16, 2012 05:22 PM (a4CUi)
WTF?
Mobys, trolls, plain assholes and drunken assholes?
If the JEF wins in November this place, I fear, won't survive.
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 16, 2012 01:33 PM (7+pP9)
112 Thank you for your service. But your experience isn't the end all be all of the Korean War.
I agree with you Ed.
Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2012 01:35 PM (YiODH)
I recollect stories that the initial Korean war troops were Nat'l Guard, WW2 vets that were war tested, but basically weary and old beyond their years that went NG for a few extra sheckels, not expecting activation. One story involved a machine gunner that said they would hear a dull roar from behind a hill and then a mass of humanity would come roaring at them with only a few weapons. The gunners would fire until their barrels literally melted and still more people crested the hill and picked up weapons from the dead, continuing forward. These men somehow survived and went home. they were then expected to act like everything was just hunky-dory. Now we recognize PTSD and a million other maladies. these guys were just told to suck it up. What a tough group that generation was.
Posted by: mark c at June 16, 2012 01:37 PM (hnhBR)
you are confusing Ido with Your Inner Voice from the other thread
admit your mistake, say sorry, and let's all move on
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 16, 2012 01:38 PM (8g+yb)
Posted by: buzzion at June 16, 2012 01:38 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at June 16, 2012 01:40 PM (a4CUi)
115 112 Thank you for your service. But your experience isn't the end all be all of the Korean War.
I agree with you Ed.
Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2012 05:35 PM (YiODH)
I didn't serve in the Korean War, nor did I ever claim to.
Taking a nap will do you wonders.
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 16, 2012 01:40 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2012 01:41 PM (YiODH)
re: MASH
MeTV airs MASH reruns 6 days a week. The show is cringe-inducing.
But as a little kid, I literally grew up watching it and it did influence me. I learned that war is stupid, the people in charge are stupid, and people like Frank Burns are awful...even though he's a doctor.
MASH over-simplified everything. And they played on the viewer's emotions. It was TV for the immature and mindless.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 16, 2012 01:43 PM (8g+yb)
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 16, 2012 01:43 PM (L7hol)
116 I recollect stories that the initial Korean wartroopswere Nat'l Guard, WW2 vets that were war tested, but basically weary and old beyond their years that went NG for a few extra sheckels, not expecting activation.
...
Do a web search for Task Force Smith.
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 16, 2012 01:44 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Scobface at June 16, 2012 01:45 PM (IoNBC)
They had no good reason at all to kill Henry Blake, too. It was pure hubris. They did it just to mess with the viewers.
According to the internets, the viewers were pissed off at CBS and they told them so.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 16, 2012 01:48 PM (8g+yb)
Most of the men were 20 years old or less; only one sixth had seen combat
Thanks for the link,Ed. i stand corrected.
Posted by: mark c at June 16, 2012 01:49 PM (hnhBR)
#122
Alan "Estrogen" Alda destroyed that show. Klinger, the character, showed more depth than Alda's predictable on camera weepiness. Over time the entire show devolved into a stupid, and predictable reflection of Alda's view on war. I realized that when I was 16....same year I stopped watching that idiotic show. Sadly, Hollywood has gone downhill since then.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 16, 2012 01:51 PM (L7hol)
Posted by: Vic at June 16, 2012 01:53 PM (YdQQY)
yeah, Alda became more involved with the direction of the show after Wayne Rogers and MacLean Stevenson left
MASH became even more preachy and Hawkeye became more self-righteous. And Hotlips stopped being the brunt of jokes when Frank left.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 16, 2012 01:55 PM (8g+yb)
125 I really enjoyed Korea in the late 70's. Koreans are, for the most part, friendly, industrious, hard-working, family-oriented people. Many Koreans showed great kindness to me.
Posted by: Scobface at June 16, 2012 05:45 PM (IoNBC)
Back in the 1980's my psycho sis ate a bunch of pills in a "plea for help" suicide attempt.
Her doctor was a South Korean and after he talked to my dad and learned he was a Korean War vet he thanked him profusely.
From what I gather the latest generation of South Koreans pretty much hate Americans but love their dollars. Sort of like the Germans.
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 16, 2012 01:56 PM (7+pP9)
In it, the former Little Rascal tells about his experience with the MASH cast when he directed a few episodes.
He wrote that Alda was a jerk, and so was Radar.
MacLean Stevenson, Larry Linville, and Wayne Rogers were gentlemen, Cooper wrote.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 16, 2012 01:57 PM (8g+yb)
Come on guys. We're all on the same side. Heck, if I've said anything that offended anyone...other than the douche-tard that Ace banned yesterday...I apologize. Let's keep our eyes on the prize....Obama unemployed.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 16, 2012 05:43 PM (L7hol)
It happens. We're under a fuck ton of stress and it's not going to get any better over the next 5 months or so.
Let's keep 'er between the navigational buoys until we get into blue water.
Posted by: ErikW at June 16, 2012 01:58 PM (2EIUT)
And the movie was brilliant, (the Hotlips shower scene. Loved it!). I enjoy watching it to this day. The series started off great too. Then Alda worked his magic, and turned gold into shit.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 16, 2012 01:59 PM (L7hol)
I was still watching TV in those days and that show became a loss.
Now all of TV is like the later years of that show, crap.
Posted by: Vic at June 16, 2012 02:00 PM (YdQQY)
The movie was good. And the series even had the character "Spearchucker" in it for a while.
But not too long, heh.
A lot of the un-PC stuff was quickly removed from the series, unless it came from the mouth of Frank Burns, because he was a bigot, you see, and that's bad.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 16, 2012 02:01 PM (8g+yb)
Posted by: pongo at June 16, 2012 02:02 PM (yxcSy)
From what I understand radar wanted to leave the show after season one and they would not let him out of the contract. probably why he was a jerk. Alda was born that way.
Posted by: Vic at June 16, 2012 02:02 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: teej at June 16, 2012 02:03 PM (xhupI)
The movie, M*A*S*H....was pretty darn good.
The good things about it were....showing how 'humor under fire' is one of the ways our guys keep their sanity.
Another good thing was....seeing competent people mock the incompetent people.
The TV series just picked out the lowest-common-denomenator stuff from the movie and ran with it.....to turn it into a long-running anti-war propaganda show.
Posted by: wheatie at June 16, 2012 02:05 PM (M2JTb)
Posted by: Scobface at June 16, 2012 02:06 PM (IoNBC)
138....A lot of the un-PC stuff was quickly removed from the series, unless it came from the mouth of Frank Burns, because he was a bigot, you see, and that's bad.
They turned the Frank Burns character into a Hollywood stereotype of their idea of a 'conservative'.
Posted by: wheatie at June 16, 2012 02:09 PM (M2JTb)
Posted by: nickless at June 16, 2012 02:12 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Ronster at June 16, 2012 02:14 PM (mHC3R)
145 From what I gather the latest generation of South Koreans pretty much hate Americans but love their dollars. Sort of like the Germans.
Which can be said about every other country out there....
They all pretty much "hate Americans but love our dollars"....don't they?
The bad thing is...we've now got a Preezy who hates Americans, and wants to destroy our dollar.
Posted by: wheatie at June 16, 2012 02:17 PM (M2JTb)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at June 16, 2012 02:18 PM (UtK3j)
a land locked sailor
Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2012 06:04 PM (YiODH)
I'm one of those too. I grew up around boats in the middle of Ohio. 
Posted by: ErikW at June 16, 2012 02:19 PM (2EIUT)
Posted by: andycanuck at June 16, 2012 02:20 PM (nrW1y)
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at June 16, 2012 02:20 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Barack Obama at June 16, 2012 02:21 PM (L1LZr)
Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2012 02:22 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: soothsayer at June 16, 2012 02:25 PM (FBxnv)
What the heck is going on at the US Open? No one is under par. No One. I think they may have made it crazy-hard.
Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2012 06:22 PM (5H6zj)
Did you properly hide the body?
Posted by: buzzion at June 16, 2012 02:25 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2012 02:26 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Peaches at June 16, 2012 02:27 PM (kpCLl)
#162
Utah is well-equipped with deep lakes.
Yeah, but they're all salt, and bodies tend to float around like fish bobbers. (Perry Mason: Case of the Missing Mormon, Ep 18, 1955).
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 16, 2012 02:29 PM (L7hol)
Posted by: Boston12GS at June 16, 2012 02:29 PM (0VqvZ)
Wayne Rogers (Played Trapper John in the TV series) left the show after the second season, and it pretty much devolved from there.
Wayne Rogers appears from time to time on Fox on Saturday morning as a financial and stock buying expert. At least he used to.
Wayne Rogers also does not participate in any of the MASH slobberfests that have periodically appeared on TV getting the old cast together. I think he outgrew that silliness.
Wayne Rogers, perhaps one of the most interesting men in the world. Stay thirsty, my friends.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes... at June 16, 2012 02:29 PM (sJTmU)
Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2012 02:30 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Vic at June 16, 2012 02:31 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2012 02:32 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Peaches at June 16, 2012 02:36 PM (kpCLl)
What the heck is going on at the US Open? No one is under par. No One. I think they may have made it crazy-hard.
Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2012 06:22 PM (5H6zj)
From what I've read, the course conditions had been dry as a bone and the crew had to throw a ton of water on the course after the last practice round. That softened the course significantly and it played completely different from what they'd just practiced on.
The USGA probably won't allow them to water again which means the course will just get faster and faster, even by the hour.
It takes the golfers out of their comfort zone. The conditions will continue to change, it'll be interesting to see what happens.
Posted by: ErikW at June 16, 2012 02:37 PM (2EIUT)
Posted by: steevy at June 16, 2012 02:39 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2012 02:42 PM (5H6zj)
Watson didn't make the cut.
I think they watered the course last night. The greens appear to be a little slower than they were yesterday.
Posted by: Montlake Monster at June 16, 2012 02:42 PM (L1LZr)
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at June 16, 2012 02:42 PM (a4CUi)
Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2012 02:43 PM (5H6zj)
Dammit . . . I don't care, I still love him anyway. No roundball today, either, eh? Guess I will have to be happy with the Red Sox-Cubs. Anybody seen NCJ?
Posted by: Peaches at June 16, 2012 02:45 PM (kpCLl)
Posted by: Toaster at June 16, 2012 02:47 PM (YCJ3T)
Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2012 06:43 PM (5H6zj)
Look at it this way, if the course conditions suck ass, they suck ass for everybody. No particular golfer is going to benefit because it's too dry or too wet or too windy.
Those guys train under optimum conditions but are subject to Mother Nature's whim.
Posted by: ErikW at June 16, 2012 02:51 PM (2EIUT)
Posted by: steevy at June 16, 2012 02:53 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2012 02:53 PM (5H6zj)
Yeah, that's true. But it's not that fun to watch bad golf (unless it's Phil, he's always fun).
Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2012 06:53 PM (5H6zj)
Mick is 8 over going into tomorrow. I like him but he's having a tough year. He withdrew from the Memorial which seemed out of character and now he's kind of struggling.
Mick is an awesome player to watch, I hope he gets his game back soon.
Posted by: ErikW at June 16, 2012 03:07 PM (2EIUT)
Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2012 03:10 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: soothsayer at June 16, 2012 03:12 PM (NLH1M)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 16, 2012 03:13 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 16, 2012 03:14 PM (niZvt)
I purposely don't go to the chess threads, as it incites my natural inclination for vicious mockery and they have truly done nothing to deserve that. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm trying to do the classy thing by spewing my venom here instead.
Posted by: Peaches at June 16, 2012 03:14 PM (kpCLl)
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at June 16, 2012 03:19 PM (U3z55)
Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2012 07:10 PM (5H6zj)
Oh he's great, don't get me wrong. And the way Woods is playing, we might get that final pairing again more often.
I was hoping to see the younger guys like McIlroy and Fowler and Donald to top the leaderboard but we may have to wait and see.
Honestly, I'm done with Woods. He's worn out his welcome.
Posted by: ErikW at June 16, 2012 03:21 PM (2EIUT)
Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2012 03:21 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at June 16, 2012 07:19 PM (U3z55)
Aaawwwwww, go back and get that doggeh, chemjeff! I can't go to the shelter without crying, I want to take all the babies home with me. Srsly, get your ass back there and change that puppeh's life.
Posted by: Peaches at June 16, 2012 03:22 PM (kpCLl)
****
CJ, also look up rescue groups in your town. They are stocked with volunteers who love animals and may provide a more pleasant foster experience for you. However, if you do decide to adopt without fostering, safe a life, and go with the shelter.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 16, 2012 03:24 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2012 03:24 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Herpglerble at June 16, 2012 03:25 PM (QGwv0)
Books & Research Materials
Korean War
Published Material tab
The five commemorative pamphlets discuss each of the five phases of the war.
Posted by: butch at June 16, 2012 03:27 PM (nK2Sx)
Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2012 03:27 PM (5H6zj)
The movie M*A*S*H sucked. It was a defeatist treatise.
It was directed by the anti-American commie asshole Robert Altman, may his soul burn in hell forever.
The most stupid part of the movie was when it was announced over the PA system that Anslinger made possessing/smoking marijuana a serious crime. Back in those days 99% of Americans didn't even know about marijuana. It was a blatant appeal to the anti-military hippies in the audience.
The theme song was "Suicide is painless, it brings on many changes".
WTF was good about that?
The only thing that rang true was the Hot Lips Hoolihan character. My dad said there was one of them everywhere he was stationed.
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 16, 2012 03:28 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Teh black lab puppeh needing a home at June 16, 2012 03:32 PM (kpCLl)
Posted by: Cricket at June 16, 2012 03:32 PM (2ArJQ)
Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2012 03:34 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Peaches at June 16, 2012 03:34 PM (kpCLl)
Posted by: Cricket at June 16, 2012 03:35 PM (2ArJQ)
Posted by: Boston12GS at June 16, 2012 06:29 PM (0VqvZ)
Thanks a ton for the Fulton Armory info. My brother has a Garand that needs to go there.
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 16, 2012 03:41 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 16, 2012 03:54 PM (piMMO)
I just went to look around really, the lab puppeh was a stray and so still yet might be claimed by an owner so it's not really available yet but it was the cutest one therePosted by: chemjeff on the phone at June 16, 2012 03:56 PM (U3z55)
Posted by: Teh black lab puppeh needing a home at June 16, 2012 04:01 PM (kpCLl)
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at June 16, 2012 04:04 PM (U3z55)
I am not crazy about Huckabee, but I love Trey Gowdy, so I am watching Huckabee tonight.
This should be good.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 16, 2012 04:05 PM (piMMO)
Go read up for details. That same process also marked the duration of the Vietnam War, and the disagreements between Palestine and Israel, the US and Iraq, and now the US with Afghanistan, et al. Participants gamble on winning more than the others if not winner take all, and diplomatically call the process "peace negotiations". SKorea wanted more of whatever than the settled deal offered. So they balked, extending our military engagements and the 2nd Battle of Pork Chop Hill ensued, after which ordering it held at all costs, the evacuation was ordered, and within 3 weeks that war never declared never finished was awarded a Cease Fire.
Even after 9/11 2001, for years the South Koreans recently sang their unification lyrics to join with the North, and bantered for US Military to leave, as unwanted occupiers.
We console ourselves with the idea that we extended Western Democracy to the Koreans.
But since the UN/Korean Cease Fire, when the twain shall meet in unification it will be their next war, likely. Consider how easy/difficult American repairs of Korean made automobiles will be without parts and the value of Hundai/Kia warranties in gaining promised coverage during hostilities.
Posted by: maverick muse at June 16, 2012 04:23 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: maverick muse at June 16, 2012 08:23 PM (BAnPT
Because clearly they have no factories in the US that supply parts/build automobiles, and they only come from Korea.
Posted by: buzzion at June 16, 2012 04:38 PM (GULKT)
chick magnet?
You'll need helping since your now responsible for years of poopies.
Posted by: DaveA at June 16, 2012 04:47 PM (NqmTy)
Posted by: Scobface at June 16, 2012 05:07 PM (IoNBC)
Posted by: Scobface at June 16, 2012 05:13 PM (IoNBC)
Posted by: Rod Stanton at June 16, 2012 05:43 PM (9JHzV)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at June 16, 2012 06:04 PM (h2mLg)
And it's cold as my ex-wife's heart there in the winter. Could literally drive a deuce and a half off its tires if not careful. I don't know how those guys withstood the conditions over there during combat at all, much less kick ass. Simply awe inspiring, really.
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at June 16, 2012 05:10 PM (a4CUi)
Heh, the FDA recently banned all Korean Shellfish due to sanitation issues, including disposal of human waste, etc.
I've been to South Korea, in the mountains near the DMZ, in the winter, didn't seem so bad. But perhaps if one had to stay outside pretty all the time, it would really suck, but then wouldn't that also be the case in other cold places?
Posted by: KG at June 16, 2012 06:53 PM (IPz9m)
Posted by: Furious at June 17, 2012 06:32 AM (8lw4l)
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pretty much says it all
Posted by: phreshone at June 16, 2012 10:43 AM (Bxm/r)