October 07, 2012

"The Dinner Table"
— Ace

Everyone seems to like this ad, except me.

Posted by: Ace at 02:01 PM | Comments (380)
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1 I think it's a greatly affecting and efffective ad. Why do you not like it?

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at October 07, 2012 02:02 PM (SgVM9)

2 I like it.

Posted by: Scobface at October 07, 2012 02:02 PM (IoNBC)

3 Dude.

Posted by: lauraw at October 07, 2012 02:03 PM (DbybK)

4 I like it because it says the unmentionable. Shows the stress on the family.

Posted by: pointsnfigures at October 07, 2012 02:04 PM (EBPRt)

5 I think it's effective, but some talking but mostly silence would have been better.

Posted by: @ParisParamus at October 07, 2012 02:05 PM (Xl0LH)

6 Won't run on television. The good ones never do. Will probably drive some traffic / $$ to the AFP website, so they can run the 1000th ad on outsourcing to China or the debt that not a single undecided voter cares about.

Posted by: Harold at October 07, 2012 02:05 PM (fQLts)

7 Why don't you like it, ace?

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 02:06 PM (Wp4rQ)

8 Waiting to hear what ace doesn't like about this ad.

Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2012 02:06 PM (5H6zj)

9 3  come on lauraw, expecting him to read his own blog?

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 02:06 PM (cyGNg)

10 I didn't realize they were eating cottage cheese as their main dish until somebody mentioned it. I don't think Ace recognizes it either.

Posted by: Ed Anger at October 07, 2012 02:07 PM (tOkJB)

11 It must be the cottage cheese.

Posted by: Scobface at October 07, 2012 02:07 PM (IoNBC)

12 RINO!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 07, 2012 02:07 PM (Agn5J)

13 This ad stands out from all of the other political ads out there. It would be good to run it during football, on NBC/CBS/ABC in prime time and ESPN

Posted by: museisluse at October 07, 2012 02:07 PM (k3sO2)

14 Harold, it's on the air in the DC area.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at October 07, 2012 02:07 PM (fgC5S)

15 >> come on lauraw, expecting him to read his own blog?

It's not a double-post. It's an homage.

Posted by: Andy at October 07, 2012 02:08 PM (OZPoa)

16 It's rather depressing and I am not sure that is how you motivate people to vote.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2012 02:08 PM (j1gX1)

17 It seems to me that, unlike most ads, the impact of this one would increase with repetition.

Posted by: Scobface at October 07, 2012 02:08 PM (IoNBC)

18 That father does not look drunk and violent enough for the undecideds to be swayed.

Posted by: derit at October 07, 2012 02:09 PM (I88Jc)

19 He thinks its too cutsie, I think.  Saw him comment on it on Twitter last night.

I disagree, I think it is a great ad, I just wish it would go on TV, I don't think it will.

The best ads at the end of campaigns cut through the clutter and grab the viewers attention.  "Bear in the Woods" in 1984 and "Wolves" in 2004.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 07, 2012 02:09 PM (dX4hn)

20 Is she a MILF?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2012 02:09 PM (j1gX1)

21

15  It's an homage

i am so going to find a way to use that tonight

 

and hopefully survive her wrath

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 02:10 PM (cyGNg)

22 I don't like it either. Focuses on feelings over facts. Leaves me with the impression of "We'd better get jobs going again so this poor woman doesn't say something stupid that will get her beaten by this frustrated gorilla... in front of her children, no less." B/C that's what conservative men are, right? Irritable gorillas?

Do not like.

Posted by: Mephistefales at October 07, 2012 02:11 PM (HSvN0)

23 It's rather depressing and I am not sure that is how you motivate people to vote. Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2012 06:08 PM (j1gX1) Depressing? No, not that. It makes you angry. Anger motivates people.

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 02:11 PM (Wp4rQ)

24 I hate all fucking campaign ads.

Posted by: Texas Ranger at October 07, 2012 02:11 PM (IvvrO)

25 Stephanie Cutter is a DILF, except that makes her a WIDWTF

Posted by: @ParisParamus at October 07, 2012 02:11 PM (Xl0LH)

26 22 I don't like it either. Focuses on feelings over facts. "One murder is a tragedy. A million murders is a statistic."

Posted by: Scobface at October 07, 2012 02:12 PM (IoNBC)

27 Everyone seems to like this ad, except me. Probably a good thing, then. You aren't the target audience.

Posted by: don't tell me you're a robot... at October 07, 2012 02:12 PM (LpQbZ)

28 OK Ace, so what if at the end the couple are in a bar and the dude says to a guy "Yeah, I know where you can get a blow job." and the wife is in a booth all shamefaced.

Posted by: Beto at October 07, 2012 02:12 PM (BAnPT)

29 I just sent a tweet to @afphq asking them to run this on TV; they are calling it an online ad. Send them a tweet if you think it will reach more people on TV!

Posted by: museisluse at October 07, 2012 02:13 PM (k3sO2)

30 I think it's pitch perfect. You can feel the weight of their care and concern.

Posted by: don't tell me you're a robot... at October 07, 2012 02:13 PM (LpQbZ)

31

Do people actually eat at the dining room table anymore?  I haven't even  sat at mine in years. 

Posted by: Mo the Girl at October 07, 2012 02:13 PM (O/Mo3)

32
Ace, substitute the family for the Obama's on January 21,2013.

Posted by: YIKES! at October 07, 2012 02:13 PM (6v/Tu)

33 Posted by: Mephistefales at October 07, 2012 06:11 PM (HSvN0) That is one of the dumbest analyses I have ever heard. You win one year of AoSHQ Prime. Well done.

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 02:13 PM (Wp4rQ)

34 14, thanks for the heads up. Down here in Florida Romney's finally up on the air, but it's the same debt ad 24/7. I'm sure it's been focus grouped to death, but how many undecided voters do you know whose main issue is the debt? Only salvation is that Obama's ads down here are the baffling ones trying to assuage the Token's ego after getting humiliated at the debate, by saying "Romney lied." They are clearly slapped together in haste and are incomprehensible. A former Bush campaign guy on Twitter, who has been plenty harsh on Romney, called it political malpractice. That's what narcissism will do to you.

Posted by: Harold at October 07, 2012 02:13 PM (fQLts)

35 31 They do when all they have to eat is Ketchup and Cottage Cheese

Posted by: Beto at October 07, 2012 02:14 PM (BAnPT)

36 Do people actually eat at the dining room table anymore? I haven't even sat at mine in years. Posted by: Mo the Girl at October 07, 2012 06:13 PM (O/Mo3) Well we might if we could find the dining room table under the clutter?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2012 02:14 PM (j1gX1)

37 The reason it is a great ad is because it hits emotions not facts.  We are inundated with numbers, huge giant unbelievable numbers.  Eventually you tune them out, you don't see their meaning.

This commercial puts a face on what 7.8% and 14.7% really means.

It's a good ad, I bet it focus groups off the charts.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 07, 2012 02:15 PM (dX4hn)

38 Ramen noodles and Potted meat, tomorrow.

Posted by: 666wearelegion at October 07, 2012 02:15 PM (ejlBS)

39 EPIC FAIL

They need to add Obama saying "I think the private sector is doing fine." at the end.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 07, 2012 02:15 PM (AUeaU)

40 They need to add Obama saying "I think the private sector is doing fine." at the end. Posted by: 18-1 at October 07, 2012 06:15 PM (AUeaU) ooh that would be good

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2012 02:16 PM (j1gX1)

41 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 02:17 PM (6o4Fb)

42 Everyone seems to like this ad, except me. And me. I tool some guff in the original thread with my lack of enthusiasm for it. Welcome to the real dark side, ace ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 07, 2012 02:17 PM (X3lox)

43 It's a subtle variation of an ad for the Misery Index.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 07, 2012 02:17 PM (vzLhi)

44 One advantage of it being a silent ad is that if they do take it to the national airwaves the silence will cause people to look at their TVs to make sure that the signal wasn't lost., since silence is usually a sign of something being wrong with the station or the TV itself. Once they're looking, they'll probably keep watching.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at October 07, 2012 02:17 PM (fgC5S)

45 22  They are truing to reach out to liberals, bso feelings is what they understand.

Posted by: 666wearelegion at October 07, 2012 02:17 PM (ejlBS)

46 Focuses on feelings over facts.
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Anyone deciding their vote based on facts is already voting for Romney.  This ad targets a different type of voter.

Posted by: Mayday at October 07, 2012 02:17 PM (F3s39)

47 They need to add Obama saying "I think the private sector is doing fine." at the end. Posted by: 18-1 at October 07, 2012 06:15 PM (AUeaU) It needs to end with a fat Obama volunteer ringing their doorbell.

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 02:17 PM (Wp4rQ)

48 I hate the feeling the ad evokes, which makes it a good ad for how TFG, Barney, and Chris so totally fucked up the economy.

Posted by: sTevo at October 07, 2012 02:18 PM (VMcEw)

49 I like it a lot. It makes me feel uncomfortable just watching it which I'm sure is the intent. Sometimes a soft touch is even more effective than a gut punch.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2012 02:18 PM (TMB3S)

50 That  mom  is  hawt!  Daughter  too!  They  can  visit  me  in  Chappaqua  since  Hillary lives  in  DC!

Posted by: Bill Clinton at October 07, 2012 02:18 PM (wIgpo)

51 Turn up the sound and hear the rain falling.  More effective!

Posted by: TinCan at October 07, 2012 02:18 PM (pTUgQ)

52 I think I know why ace doesn't like it.


This is not a knock against you ace but you don't have a family and kids to worry about.  I think that's why it doesn't resonant with you.

Posted by: Tami at October 07, 2012 02:19 PM (X6akg)

53 This ad would be more effective if they were wearing pink ribbons.

Posted by: Y-not is joking at October 07, 2012 02:19 PM (5H6zj)

54 They need to add Obama saying "I think the private sector is doing fine." at the end.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 07, 2012 06:15 PM (AUeaU)

Or cut to some film from a report where they were having the "Tuesday Night BBQ" on the lawn of the Whitehouse with kegs and whole beefcattle.

Posted by: Beto at October 07, 2012 02:19 PM (BAnPT)

55 As others have pointed out you have to pay attention to what is on everyone's plate and what is missing from it: Meat. As someone that was 10-14 years old under the Carter Administration, watching my father scramble for loads (he was an owner-operator of a truck) and going some days without any meat to eat, this ad brings those days back with a vengeance. There was many a day when the dinner table in our house was just like that where my father had that same look on his face: I'm trying as best I can there is just not enough work. Then there was the rest of us looking back at him. Trust me this ad will resonate with anyone that went through that in '79 and with those going through it today.

Posted by: boballab at October 07, 2012 02:20 PM (ebXTQ)

56 >>This is not a knock against you ace but you don't have a family and kids to worry about. I think that's why it doesn't resonant with you. ----- I was going to say the same thing, Tami. Love the ewok, but certain things he just doesn't get.

Posted by: Y-not is joking at October 07, 2012 02:20 PM (5H6zj)

57 Well, it grabbed me. And it's a more eloquent way of expressing what the last few years of business have been like than me waking up upset at 3 am.

Posted by: lauraw at October 07, 2012 02:20 PM (DbybK)

58 I'm still seeing a lot of the: Obama's stimulus promised 5.6% ue And, its 8.1%. I love that they are playing 8.1 after the outlier stat.

Posted by: don't tell me you're a robot... at October 07, 2012 02:20 PM (LpQbZ)

59 Different ads are effective with different people.

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 02:21 PM (6o4Fb)

60 ~ tap tap tap tap tap ~ Hello all you zombies, it is I - Hadji! - the comic who has been to hell and back, when hell is various parts of the Catskills ... and the bazaars of Tunisia. Let me tell you - hell is other people. So the ace of the spades does not like the advertisement for Romney. I am not surprised. Hadji has seen this before - Heterosexual expressions that also include children can make some people uncomfortable. If the ad were to have two busty lesbians in pornographic display with a large quantity of Star Wars posters in the background, the ace would be rapt. Rapt, Hadji tells you. Rapt. But Hadji is here for the jokes - so Hadji leaves you with the ha-ha. What is the difference between a Clint Eastwood RNC speech and the entire oratorical career of Joe Biden? Clint Eastwood's speech had the effect. Thank you thank you thank you. Tip your waitresses and give alms to the needy. .

Posted by: Hadji the Muslim Comic at October 07, 2012 02:21 PM (RuUvx)

61 31 Do people actually eat at the dining room table anymore? I haven't even sat at mine in years. Posted by: Mo the Girl at October 07, 2012 06:13 PM (O/Mo3) Yes, we do. And this ad is great because it's something I actually recognize. We have gone through several periods of similar dinners during this depression. There have been periods where I actually felt guilty going to the grocery store because even though we needed to feed our kids, we really didn't have the money to spend. We have had many a meal over the past four years where our protein was beans or Vienna sausages (which was a once or twice a month treat). I thank God every day that we're not struggling like that right now, but we are never comfortable, and always waiting for the next dry spell at work that means we go back to stretching those dollars as far as we can. It sucks, but I most definitely "get" this ad. And it hits home hard.

Posted by: Mandy P. at October 07, 2012 02:21 PM (qFpRI)

62 Works for me.

If facts and figure by themselves swayed the majority of voter Obama would never have been elected President, and would stand no chance now.

You know what they need to do to make liberals really crawl of their skin? Do the exact same ad with a black family.

Posted by: Lawrence Person at October 07, 2012 02:21 PM (6G2Mm)

63 So Ace, what's your beef about it?

Posted by: John P. Squibob at October 07, 2012 02:21 PM (kqqGm)

64 >>>>>I don't like it either. Focuses on feelings over facts. Leaves me with the impression of "We'd better get jobs going again so this poor woman doesn't say something stupid that will get her beaten by this frustrated gorilla... in front of her children, no less." <<<<< Jeez, you are overthinking that one way too much. It's not about the woman. It's about the man. It's his face that shows the hint of shame. Hers is worried compassion. He's the one out of work. The ad plays in particular to blue-collar voters (note the plaid shirt and unshaven face), which are a big deal in Ohio where we really need to pull ahead. As for feelings over facts, the facts are stated quite succinctly at the end of the ad. Facts without feelings don't win elections - nor should they. People don't want jobs because they want to improve an emotionless statistic from the BLS. They want jobs because they want the dignity of being able to provide for their families. This ad states a simple fact and personalizes the hell out of it. I think it's dynamite. That said, I'd love to know what Ace doesn't like about it. He may be seeing something I'm not.

Posted by: Caiwyn at October 07, 2012 02:21 PM (pR28l)

65 This ad is loaded with facts. Facts are not limited to charts and graphs. The emotional half grabs you on a visceral level then the carefully planted facts seep in through your frontal lobes.

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 02:21 PM (Wp4rQ)

66 If you've ever had to live out of your car with a two year old and a pregnant wife because you rented out your house so you wouldn't lose it, it hits home with you.

Posted by: Beto at October 07, 2012 02:22 PM (BAnPT)

67
Only salvation is that Obama's ads down here are the baffling ones trying to assuage the Token's ego after getting humiliated at the debate, by saying "Romney lied."
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This is fantastic.  Aside from the 67 million people who saw the debates, even more heard about it.  Obama ads claiming R lied look like sour grapes, a petulant childish retort.  People will know O is lying to them, just lashing out; flailing about.  It makes O look worse, and takes away any pity people might have begun to feel by him getting his ass whipped.

Posted by: Mayday at October 07, 2012 02:22 PM (F3s39)

68 It's as heartbreaking as my students writing about how worried they are about their parents' jobs and debt. Here's another subtle economic indicator: teeth. Braces are now a luxury many families can't afford.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at October 07, 2012 02:22 PM (gaH2C)

69 This is why I use 100 watt incandescent bulbs.  Chrome torches bounce the light off the ceiling, it's lovely.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at October 07, 2012 02:22 PM (oZzb6)

70 >>>OK Ace, so what if at the end the couple are in a bar and the dude says to a guy "Yeah, I know where you can get a blow job." and the wife is in a booth all shamefaced. That's better. It leaves me on a happy note.

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2012 02:22 PM (LCRYB)

71

TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!

suck it packers

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 02:23 PM (cyGNg)

72 This ad makes you realize there are humans outside the beltway. Humans that vote. Humans. Not polls. Not MSNBC v Fox. People who are actually hurting.

Posted by: don't tell me you're a robot... at October 07, 2012 02:23 PM (LpQbZ)

73 Stephanie Cutter is a DILF, except that makes her a WIDWTF Posted by: @ParisParamus at October 07, 2012 06:11 PM (Xl0LH) ------------------------------------------------ Bet you didn't know her middle name was turd.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 07, 2012 02:24 PM (jucos)

74 I went through a period of unemployment years back.  3 kids, wife, mortgage, bills and no job.  The stress trying to find a job, any job, was brutal.

I see this ad and I remember those days.  Not worrying for myself, but for my family who was depending on me.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 07, 2012 02:25 PM (dX4hn)

75 Here are my problems with it: I think it's over-subtle. And in a way that suggests cutesiness or preciousness. Another thing is -- if this were a TV ad, which I'm not sure it is -- I don't think people watch TV the same way anymore. Half the time, I'm not watching TV; I have it on in background. The odds of a silent ad pulling my attention up are pretty low, I think.

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2012 02:25 PM (LCRYB)

76 11 It must be the cottage cheese. I don't like cottage cheese, either.

Posted by: rickl at October 07, 2012 02:25 PM (sdi6R)

77 I think this  will  work for wives/mothers that are not so much into politics but care about where our country is headed.  Not so much for ppl bent on  facts or  those involved in politics or blogging.  People are living this every day.

Posted by: Mo the Girl at October 07, 2012 02:25 PM (O/Mo3)

78 70 It's as heartbreaking as my students writing about how worried they are about their parents' jobs and debt. --- I mentioned this a couple of days ago on a deadish thread, but our local universities, which includes BYU, are experiencing a significant uptick in students requiring mental health services and interventions b/c of the economy. Some folks are insulated to how bad it is out there.

Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2012 02:25 PM (5H6zj)

79

I don't think it's aimed at everyone.  It's a  mini-treatise on those people who  voted for the SCOAMT in 2008 that now find themselves the victims of his policies.

 

This looks like a  northeast/northern  (rust belt)  family.  That's the vibe I'm getting anyway.

Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2012 02:26 PM (zmkPt)

80 I respectfully disagree. This ad appeals to the emotions and fears of Reagan democrats and independents whose vote can still be won. I'd love to see it run here in Ohio.

Posted by: Pastafarian at October 07, 2012 02:26 PM (KC3A2)

81 Ace, you're not a long-term unemployed with kids. It can't affect you like it affects me. These are desperate Depression-Era people. Only, the Depression is today. No, it's not a logical commercial. But logical commercials don't win campaigns. (Actually, no commercials win campaigns, not even Daisy. But they point voters in one direction or another.) These people, the ones in this ad, are about to explode with shame and disgust. And the children are going to be fucked up for life. Because the wrong guy is president. This ad is perfect. It should be on throughout the rust belt, WI, and MN every day.

Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 02:27 PM (I2LwF)

82 I think the same message is better relayed -- without the artifice -- in direct-address interviews by Obama voters, now out of work, and looking for a change. no actors-- real people. I guess that's my problem, at heart. these are NOT real people. Well, they are, but they're actors, pretending to be other people. Why not interview the real McCoy?

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2012 02:27 PM (LCRYB)

83 Cut interviews with 40 people in economic distress, swing or Obama voters, addressing the camera, talking about how hard the economy is. Divide them up into 10 different ads. Rotate those 10 different ads.

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2012 02:28 PM (LCRYB)

84 I'm in dentistry and people eating irritates the crap out of me. I hate the clicking and clacking and the chewing. If you can do it quietly fine, but talking/chewing with your mouth full is freaking disgusting.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 07, 2012 02:28 PM (M1gmo)

85 I had a Bronco upset. Shows how much I know.

Posted by: USS Diversity at October 07, 2012 02:28 PM (0CiTm)

86 Looks like it's a hit with all the women, for sure.

Posted by: don't tell me you're a robot... at October 07, 2012 02:28 PM (LpQbZ)

87 Another thing is -- if this were a TV ad, which I'm not sure it is -- I don't think people watch TV the same way anymore. Half the time, I'm not watching TV; I have it on in background. The odds of a silent ad pulling my attention up are pretty low, I think.

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2012 06:25 PM (LCRYB)

 

 

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Maybe if there was machine-gun fire and grenade expolosions  in the background.

Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2012 02:28 PM (zmkPt)

88 Here are my problems with it:

I think it's over-subtle. And in a way that suggests cutesiness or preciousness.

Another thing is -- if this were a TV ad, which I'm not sure it is -- I don't think people watch TV the same way anymore. Half the time, I'm not watching TV; I have it on in background. The odds of a silent ad pulling my attention up are pretty low, I think.

So lets see the re-write for S&Gs.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at October 07, 2012 02:28 PM (kqqGm)

89 OT nice crowd for Romney in FL today.

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 07, 2012 02:28 PM (Xfofp)

90 Where's the beef?

Posted by: Clara Peller at October 07, 2012 02:29 PM (kzejo)

91 Ace,an ad that hits you as super effective will make many others say "meh".That's why they make lots of different ads.

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 02:29 PM (6o4Fb)

92 I don't dislike the ad.  I just found it to be too subtle for today's dumb downed populace.

Posted by: Will Never Vote For a dhimmocrat at October 07, 2012 02:29 PM (kXoT0)

93 Overly subtle? I did not expect that criticism. Most people surf the net on a laptop or iPad while listening to tv. I think the silence is a great attention getter.

Posted by: Pastafarian at October 07, 2012 02:29 PM (KC3A2)

94

I'm waiting for Obama or Axelrod to go on MSNBC or any of the other MFM outlets and describe their strategy for the rest of the campaign:

 

"We going to lie our f--king asses off about every f--king thing - our plans, Romney's plans, the deficit, the debt, Fast and Furious, Amb. Stevens murder, jobs, entitlements, foreign policy - every. f--king. thing.  And the media will be right there beside us!"

Posted by: HtP at October 07, 2012 02:30 PM (jx2j9)

95

People who have  lived through the last 4 years  without making up their pitiful minds are probably good targets for this kind of ad. Anyone who is undecided at this point doesn't deal in rationality. Maybe emotion  will work.

Posted by: Meremortal at October 07, 2012 02:30 PM (1Y+hH)

96 I had a Bronco upset. Shows how much I know.

It's the altitude.  Hard to adjust. 

Posted by: Barry SCOAMF at October 07, 2012 02:30 PM (hO8IJ)

97 If I put a pink ribbon on my weenie, will I get laid?

Posted by: soothsayer at October 07, 2012 02:31 PM (BUcLz)

98 Until I saw the endcard, I figured Greg just came out to his family.

Posted by: Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table at October 07, 2012 02:31 PM (52Ypl)

99 Posted by: ace at October 07, 2012 06:25 PM (LCRYB) Sometimes less is more. I like it a lot. It's the truth about what is happening, behind all the numbers and speeches, distilled down to a single shot. It does not taste good.

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 02:31 PM (Wp4rQ)

100 I don't like the racial overtones.

Posted by: slatz at October 07, 2012 02:31 PM (fAVBA)

101

heh

a samsung commercial for the new 75" smart tv was just on

me:  whoa

A:  whoa

T:  don't even think about it

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 02:32 PM (cyGNg)

102
I think it's over-subtle. And in a way that suggests cutesiness or preciousness.


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Not seeing that at all......


To each his own.

Posted by: Tami at October 07, 2012 02:32 PM (X6akg)

103 Put a tear in his eye a-la the Indian from the 'littering ad' and then tell me about impact. Crying men resonate with libs...

Posted by: Mr Wolf, Esq at October 07, 2012 02:32 PM (v/itI)

104 I said it last night...for those of us have been unemployed or underemployed since TFG took office, that ad resonates strongly.  The look on the "hisband's" face is the feeling I'd get late at night, when you wonder if you'll ever being employed again, and helpless feeling that sticks in your stomach.  You take some kind sleep aid just to stop your mind from eating you up.  You feel like your days of being normal are over.

Posted by: jas at October 07, 2012 02:32 PM (KmJYu)

105 Why not interview the real McCoy? Posted by: ace at October 07, 2012 06:27 PM (LCRYB) Because someone else can interview Obama supporters who are doing well.

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 02:33 PM (Wp4rQ)

106 And @64: exactly. Put a black family in it. Run both.

Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 02:33 PM (I2LwF)

107 Perhaps some of you only respond to crowds waving RR signs while the song "Happy Days Are Here Again" plays over and over.

Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2012 02:34 PM (zmkPt)

108 84 I think the same message is better relayed -- without the artifice -- in direct-address interviews by Obama voters, now out of work, and looking for a change. Why not interview the real McCoy? ---- Sorry, but whenever I see a "regular person" interviewed by or presented by a campaign, I spend most of my time wondering what the catch is. I never believe they are regular people. I always believe they are somehow connected to the campaign or are partisan hacks like the union cancer wife guy. Frankly, iirc both campaigns have had major oopsies when they've used what are supposed to be regular people. So with 40 people, you'd have the vet the heck out of each one or else Obama would.

Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2012 02:34 PM (5H6zj)

109 104 Wow,75 inch,think about how a large pair of cheerleader tittehs will look on that!

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 02:34 PM (6o4Fb)

110 Maybe it would affect you if you were an unemployed coal miner or other blue collar worker who had lost your job in Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, or Virginia. I think that's the target audience.

Posted by: TD at October 07, 2012 02:34 PM (+uFux)

111 OK more details. The parents are drinking water and the kids get the Milk?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2012 02:34 PM (j1gX1)

112 I posted this on Lauraw's thread about this ad.....it's from a Bloomberg article on the American's for Prosperity website:


"Levi Russell, a spokesman for Americans for Prosperity, said the ad is
being promoted on Hulu, YouTube and through Google and other search
engines. He said it would likely be used on television before Election
Day. He did not provide a dollar amount behind the ad push. AFP also
linked to it on its Twitter accounts."

Posted by: Tami at October 07, 2012 02:34 PM (X6akg)

113 I don't know, Ace....if you look at most ads these days, political or otherwise, they assault you immediately with an overload of video, and audio, (Not to mention that they like to jack audio levels up a good 3 db). A sudden, and unusual silence in place of the expected screeching harpies trying to sell you dish soap is bound to attract curious attention, and without a single word spoken, the ad does convey it's brutal message with an efficiency that sets it apart from the usual political fodder that litters our airwaves.

Sometimes different is good, and in a land of noise, silence stands out.


Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 07, 2012 02:35 PM (L7hol)

114 They want jobs because they want the dignity of being able to provide for their families.

That's the campaign in a nutshell.   Overly subtle?  Nope, you're wrong on this one.

Posted by: pep at October 07, 2012 02:35 PM (6TB1Z)

115 Hows about a list running with all the vacations and shit the Obamas and Pelosi and all the other blood suckers took at taxpayer expense with their costs in a ledger format and then cut to this commercial?

Posted by: Beto at October 07, 2012 02:35 PM (BAnPT)

116 Also we must tear down the bullshit meme put forth by Bubba that "no one could have done better".It's patently false.

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 02:35 PM (6o4Fb)

117 64
"You know what they need to do to make liberals really crawl of their skin? Do the exact same ad with a black family."

Agree, especially with black unemployment being much higher than white unemployment and many blacks falling out of the middle class due to that.

Do one with a Hispanic family, too.

Posted by: BS Inc. at October 07, 2012 02:36 PM (P2Ufm)

118 >>I think the same message is better relayed -- without the artifice -- in direct-address interviews by Obama voters, now out of work, and looking for a change. They've done that. AFP is the group responsible for all the ads showing disappointed '08 Obama supporters who now say they are going to vote for Romney because Obama has failed. They spend over $7 million on that campaign alone. This is a different twist. How many political ads have you ever seen that don't say a word? Nothing. Just a visual that every single person seems to understand. Different ads target different people. This one goes right after the guy who is out of work and feeling a little desperate.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2012 02:36 PM (TMB3S)

119 Yeah,  that  weiner  dog  bit.  Still  funny  after  all  these  years.  That  pesky  weiner  dog.  Heh.

Posted by: Norm MacDonald at October 07, 2012 02:36 PM (wIgpo)

120

112  yep

if i streamed pron, the fake boobies would tilt my living room out the window

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 02:36 PM (cyGNg)

121 And yeah, do a bunch of 10- or 15-second TV ads of people looking into the camera saying, "I voted for the president. Things have gotten worse. This time, I'm voting for Romney." Just like that. Over and over.

Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 02:37 PM (I2LwF)

122 37 The reason it is a great ad is because it hits emotions not facts. We are inundated with numbers, huge giant unbelievable numbers. Eventually you tune them out, you don't see their meaning. This commercial puts a face on what 7.8% and 14.7% really means. It's a good ad, I bet it focus groups off the charts. Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 07, 2012 06:15 PM (dX4hn) I don't always trust focus groups on this stuff. When you ask people to pay close attention to this political ad, it skews their opinion. A better method would be to observe people from across the backyard in thier own homes than when a political ad comes on call them up and ask they are voting for . You'd also need to call them the day before to get a baseline.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 07, 2012 02:37 PM (zrpqj)

123 ace - This is the ad you want. http://tinyurl.com/bvt6lpe Same group. Both work.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2012 02:38 PM (TMB3S)

124 112 yep
if i streamed pron, the fake boobies would tilt my living room out the window

Damn, I've been trying to warn folks, and now this.

Posted by: Hank Johnson, D-eranged at October 07, 2012 02:38 PM (6TB1Z)

125 Also we must tear down the bullshit meme put forth by Bubba that "no one could have done better".It's patently false.

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 06:35 PM (6o4Fb)

 

 

 

But it's the way he wags his finger.  He's so sincere. You can almost hear him saying,  "I did not have sex with that woman."

 

I believe him.

Posted by: HtP at October 07, 2012 02:38 PM (jx2j9)

126 Oh, and, Ace.  I think you're wrong.  I know numerous people where this ad  hits home perfectly.

Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2012 02:39 PM (zmkPt)

127 99 If I put a pink ribbon on my weenie, will I get laid? Posted by: soothsayer at October 07, 2012 06:31 PM (BUcLz) No. Gotta go with red. "I don't know where ya been lad, bit I see you won first prize."

Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 07, 2012 02:40 PM (GEICT)

128 Totally OT but I just may lose in the Moron Fantasy Football League to a team that did not even bother to set a line-up and started 3 players on bye. I should be subject to FFB relegation.

Posted by: logprof at October 07, 2012 02:40 PM (V/U0X)

129 Yeah, depressing. I watched it twice just to make sure it sucked as much as I thought it did the first time. Fuck that shit.

Posted by: ErikW at October 07, 2012 02:40 PM (eyqTD)

130 The ad is pretty grim. However, I do have an idea how the nice-looking young lad might make some extra money.  For the family and stuff. 

It's called the Hairy Reed Hairless Young Boys Full Employment Plan.

Posted by: Hairy Reed at October 07, 2012 02:40 PM (pwyhn)

131 Think of all the energy production jobs alone that Romney could create with the stroke of a pen.

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 02:40 PM (6o4Fb)

132 It works for me because it's where my family was doing the Carter administration. Dad was out of work, and we went weeks without meat. I still remember one week where Mom made a big pot of seasoned green beans and potatoes, and that's what we ate all week. I've been the young boy in that ad. I've also been the father for a couple of months.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at October 07, 2012 02:40 PM (5J54Q)

133 That actor does angst very well.

Posted by: Victoria at October 07, 2012 02:40 PM (tV5ow)

134 The next ad should show folks cleaning up the dinner table at the White House. The half-eaten prime rib, the untouched vegetables, the g'hak bowls, a full ashtray, and four empty Ben&Jerry's cartons.

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 02:41 PM (Wp4rQ)

135 "I think it's over-subtle. And in a way that suggests cutesiness or preciousness."

I think I might see where you are seeing that.

If it were that kind of subtle, though, the actors' facial expressions would be a lot different. These are people weighed down with worry and not the ironic kind of worry that you can sometimes see in ads.

Posted by: BS Inc. at October 07, 2012 02:41 PM (P2Ufm)

136 131 Totally OT but I just may lose in the Moron Fantasy Football League to a team that did not even bother to set a line-up and started 3 players on bye. ---- I lost by 0.1 pts to an 0-3 team last week. This week is looking pretty sketchy, too.

Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2012 02:41 PM (5H6zj)

137 Suppose this ad began airing and took off like wildfire. How would Bambi rebut it? He could only say, "No one could have done any better." Every time he says that he looks weaker.

Posted by: Scobface at October 07, 2012 02:41 PM (IoNBC)

138

TOUCHDOWN BEARS!!!!!!!!

too easy

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 02:41 PM (cyGNg)

139 112 104 Wow,75 inch,think about how a large pair of cheerleader tittehs will look on that! Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 06:34 PM (6o4Fb) Almost life size for an NFL cheerleader.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 07, 2012 02:41 PM (GEICT)

140 Ace-
all I know is that it made me feel pretty bad for those folks.

Posted by: Tom Joad at October 07, 2012 02:42 PM (6TB1Z)

141 The half-eaten prime rib, the untouched vegetables,
the g'hak bowls, a full ashtray, and four empty Ben&Jerry's cartons.

Piles of unused blow all over the floor.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 07, 2012 02:42 PM (pwyhn)

142 I've never-- never-- seen a political ad that gets to me on a gut level like this one does. So much so, I don't want to play it again because I don't like feeling queasy. It turns the macroeconomic trends into a personal experience.

Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 02:42 PM (I2LwF)

143 It's not "over-subtle" in my opinion.

I'm a married father of three, and the idea of losing my job and not being able to provide for them is stomach wrenching. 

You can see the anguish on Mom and Dad's faces.  His shame, her "we'll get through this, but I don't know how at the moment" look.  The kids know there are real problems and that Mom and Dad are scared.  This makes them scared, but they're too hungry to care.

There's little furniture in the background, and the room seems small for them.

It's the subtlety that makes it SO strong.  Your mind fills in the gaps with the empathy for the family. 

Posted by: SARDiver at October 07, 2012 02:42 PM (W7uqn)

144 "during" the Carter administration.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at October 07, 2012 02:42 PM (5J54Q)

145 107 I said it last night...for those of us have been unemployed or underemployed since TFG took office, that ad resonates strongly. The look on the "hisband's" face is the feeling I'd get late at night, when you wonder if you'll ever being employed again, and helpless feeling that sticks in your stomach. You take some kind sleep aid just to stop your mind from eating you up. You feel like your days of being normal are over.

Posted by: jas at October 07, 2012 06:32 PM (KmJYu)


THIS.

I haven't slept through more nights than I can count on my fingers, in three years. And now my business is over. This is not a subtle or cutesy ad for me. It's like a battering ram.

Posted by: lauraw at October 07, 2012 02:42 PM (DbybK)

146 "You know what they need to do to make liberals really crawl of their skin? Do the exact same ad with a black family."

Wait for someone to declare -this- add "racist" for failing to be diverse first. (Because, you know they will.)

Then come back with "Hey, the NYT insisted we do it for diversity."

Posted by: Al at October 07, 2012 02:42 PM (MzQOZ)

147 139 Ah,it's mostly luck anyway,which is why I stopped doing it long ago.

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 02:43 PM (6o4Fb)

148 Ace has a heart of cold blue steel, for the moment.  He is acting as a technician here.This is a snapshot of him caught right between his two mood extremes.  Give him an hour and show it to him again. He'll dissolve into a little puddle on the floor. Or start smashing the furniture. 

Posted by: Meremortal at October 07, 2012 02:43 PM (1Y+hH)

149 Military Times Poll: Romney bests Obama, 2-1 Ec http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/10/military-times-poll-romney-bests-obama-2-1-100712/ Not surprising

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2012 02:43 PM (j1gX1)

150 >>>OK Ace, so what if at the end the couple are in a bar and the dude says to a guy "Yeah, I know where you can get a blow job." and the wife is in a booth all shamefaced.

That's better. It leaves me on a happy note. Posted by: ace

And a happy ending.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 07, 2012 02:44 PM (UW6NX)

151 Um, a lot of Obama voters think meat is bad and evil and hurts precious mother gaia, so they wouldn't be affected by its absence the way saner people might be.

Posted by: argh at October 07, 2012 02:44 PM (5IAXH)

152 A political ad has never made me cry.  Until I watched this.

End of story for me.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 07, 2012 02:45 PM (kOW4y)

153 Btw, I'd like to see polls that ask voters if the economy would have been better, same or worse if McCain was elected instead in 08.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 07, 2012 02:45 PM (zrpqj)

154 137 The next ad should show folks cleaning up the dinner table at the White House. The half-eaten prime rib, the untouched vegetables, the g'hak bowls, a full ashtray, and four empty Ben&Jerry's cartons. Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 06:41 PM (Wp4rQ) And not only Michelle's place setting but the rest of them, too.

Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 02:45 PM (I2LwF)

155
My commercial would have jets flying into the WTC in the first 3 seconds and then a stills of TFG bowing to  various third world leaders.

Then a message would scroll across the screen "Elections have consequences".

Then show Chris Stevens.

The End




Posted by: sTevo at October 07, 2012 02:45 PM (VMcEw)

156 Piles of unused blow all over the floor. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 07, 2012 06:42 PM (pwyhn) Oh no, it's been used.

Posted by: Ashley Biden at October 07, 2012 02:45 PM (V/U0X)

157 obama voters might think meat is bad until they want sausage on their pizza.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at October 07, 2012 02:45 PM (HNwOT)

158

It's a powerful ad.  I don't think I could watch it more than twice.  You hate to see the pain on the man's face.  Things aren't working out the way they should. 

His kids are getting black bean salad and hummus down at the school cafeteria to satisfy Moochelle and they're throwing it away.  Looks like pretty damned short rations at home.  Mr. SCOAMF is not helping the situation.  Don't think those kids at the table are going skiing at Vail this winter with Mooch.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at October 07, 2012 02:46 PM (oe1aw)

159 Chuck Todd on the TV News saying the Jobs Report not having an effect on the polls as they had hoped but the debate did

Posted by: Beto at October 07, 2012 02:46 PM (BAnPT)

160 stevo:  that's a good foreign policy ad

Posted by: kelley in virginia at October 07, 2012 02:46 PM (HNwOT)

161 Any Morons at the LA GOP rally? (I am.)

Posted by: baldilocks at October 07, 2012 02:47 PM (pajrX)

162 It's subtle, Ace. Strange territory for you. ;-)

Posted by: joated at October 07, 2012 02:47 PM (LeJFw)

163

TOUCHDOWN BEARS!!!!!

hahahahahaha

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 02:47 PM (cyGNg)

164 My favorite ad would be one that showed the DNC "Read my lips," ad followed quickly by, "I will cut the deficit in half in my first term," then "unemployment will not go above 8%" then "if you like your healthcare, you can keep it," then "if its not fixed in 3 years, I will be a one term proposition."

Posted by: HtP at October 07, 2012 02:47 PM (jx2j9)

165 Blane Gabbert is a SCoaMF.

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 02:48 PM (6o4Fb)

166 I said it last night...for those of us have been unemployed or underemployed since TFG took office, that ad resonates strongly. The look on the "hisband's" face is the feeling I'd get late at night, when you wonder if you'll ever being employed again, and helpless feeling that sticks in your stomach. You take some kind sleep aid just to stop your mind from eating you up. You feel like your days of being normal are over. Posted by: jas at October 07, 2012 06:32 PM (KmJYu) THIS.I haven't slept through more nights than I can count on my fingers, in three years. And now my business is over. This is not a subtle or cutesy ad for me. It's like a battering ram. Posted by: lauraw at October 07, 2012 06:42 PM (DbybK) -------------------------------------------------------- This is dinner at my house. Maybe not cottage cheese and ketchup bad yet, but we're headed there.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 07, 2012 02:48 PM (jucos)

167 Nats win!

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at October 07, 2012 02:48 PM (fgC5S)

168 That ad was fucking awful. Jesus, do something positive and uplifting for once. The negative shit doesn't play.

Posted by: ErikW at October 07, 2012 02:48 PM (eyqTD)

169 Yeah I'm pretty cynical but I did get kind misty as I watched it.

Posted by: USS Diversity at October 07, 2012 02:48 PM (0CiTm)

170 Stevo, that's a little cutesy for ace.

Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 02:48 PM (I2LwF)

171 TOUCHDOWN BEARS!!!!! hahahahahaha Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 06:47 PM (cyGNg) --Woulda been useful for one of my fabtasy teams if my opponent did not have Brandon Marshall. I'm just catching up from waaay behind thanks to shitty games from Big Ben and Mike wallace.

Posted by: logprof at October 07, 2012 02:49 PM (V/U0X)

172 http://tinyurl.com/9nyvjdl NFL Predictions for the Presidential Race

Posted by: Evilpens at October 07, 2012 02:49 PM (ck76k)

173 Jesus, do something positive and uplifting for once. The negative shit doesn't play. Posted by: ErikW at October 07, 2012 06:48 PM (eyqTD) Everything's wonderful, so vote for Romney?

Posted by: Scobface at October 07, 2012 02:49 PM (IoNBC)

174 Speaking of subtle, does the decor of that room seem a little . . . '70s? Hmmm.

Posted by: logprof at October 07, 2012 02:49 PM (V/U0X)

175 I liked the idea someone had earlier in the thread of playing a clip of TFG saying or at least citing "the private sector is doing fine" near the end. Some people are just too dense to get it otherwise.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 07, 2012 02:49 PM (ccXZP)

176 I remember bad times sitting up late at night while my family slept. I could not sleep. I had to make sure we would be okay. This ad speaks to people who are eating shit as they are being told Mitt Romney gave too much to charity and Obama loves all children everywhere.

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 02:49 PM (Wp4rQ)

177 In fact, I like this ad so much I did a blog post saying why I like it.

Posted by: Lawrence Person at October 07, 2012 02:50 PM (6G2Mm)

178 176 I just had the image in my head of Obama trying to throw a football.

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 02:50 PM (6o4Fb)

179 How do we know the husband wasn't put out of work by Romney and his fat cat buddies at Bain.

Posted by: Axelrod at October 07, 2012 02:50 PM (66rv5)

180 It’s Not 2008 Anymore – Part 1: The Polls http://tinyurl.com/9z5pyde

Posted by: Evilpens at October 07, 2012 02:51 PM (ck76k)

181 Along the lines of what ace wanted to see: http://www.mittromney.com/blog/vote-change

Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2012 02:51 PM (5H6zj)

182 So many morons have their own blogs.I admire that,OI am way too lazy to do that myself.

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 02:51 PM (6o4Fb)

183 A political ad has never made me cry. Until I watched this.

End of story for me.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 07, 2012 06:45 PM (kOW4y)

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It was odd when I watched it. I  turned away at the end to go do something. Eyes got blurry about 20 seconds later, delayed reaction. Don't want to watch it again  either.

 

 

Posted by: Meremortal at October 07, 2012 02:51 PM (1Y+hH)

184 Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 06:50 PM (6o4Fb) HAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Evilpens at October 07, 2012 02:52 PM (ck76k)

185 So the NFC North may come to a race between the Bears and Vikings? Already a crazy season.

Posted by: logprof at October 07, 2012 02:52 PM (V/U0X)

186 Everything's wonderful, so vote for Romney? Posted by: Scobface at October 07, 2012 06:49 PM (IoNBC) No, look towards what could be a positive future. Yes, things may be shitty now but a bright future is ahead.

Posted by: ErikW at October 07, 2012 02:52 PM (eyqTD)

187 Ahem. I said, I liked it to much I did a blog post saying why I liked it.

Posted by: Lawrence Person at October 07, 2012 02:53 PM (6G2Mm)

188 My dad was out of work some during the Carter years but me and my sisters were pretty oblivious to the impact on my parents. Many years ago, when I was in my 30's, my dad told me during that time he'd lie in bed when everyone else was asleep, worried about to support us.  I felt awful, picturing his silent suffering, and realizing how unaware I was at the time.  I was grateful to know that had been many years prior and my dad was fine.  This ad reminded me of that time.  I think it's powerful because it taps into the feelings from past hard times as well as the current conditions, so it affects even more people.

Posted by: Mayday at October 07, 2012 02:53 PM (F3s39)

189 That ad was fucking awful. Jesus, do something positive and uplifting for once. The negative shit doesn't play. Posted by: ErikW at October 07, 2012 06:48 PM (eyqTD) This sort of ad pulls people away from Obama and an upbeat ad pulls them towards Mitt.

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 02:53 PM (Wp4rQ)

190 So, links just don't work at all?

http://tinyurl.com/9ywne24

Posted by: Lawrence Person at October 07, 2012 02:53 PM (6G2Mm)

191

175  oooh

marshall is having a monster game

and its got a way to go

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 02:53 PM (cyGNg)

192 No, look towards what could be a positive future. Yes, things may be shitty now but a bright future is ahead.Posted by: ErikW at October 07, 2012 06:52 PM (eyqTD) That has been a continuing theme throughout the R/R campaign. I agree that it's an important part of the message.

Posted by: Scobface at October 07, 2012 02:54 PM (IoNBC)

193 Everything's wonderful, so vote for Romney?

Posted by: Scobface at October 07, 2012 06:49 PM (IoNBC)

 

 

It's kinda tough with the unicorns and skittles taken.  M+Ms and Moose?

Posted by: Meremortal at October 07, 2012 02:54 PM (1Y+hH)

194 It would be a better ad if the little girl said to her father,

"Daddy, will you please pass me the shit sandwiches?"

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at October 07, 2012 02:55 PM (2c1Cq)

195 Heh, Obama built that dinner table.

Posted by: logprof at October 07, 2012 02:56 PM (V/U0X)

196 http://tinyurl.com/9rnl3v3 Mary Matalin Schools Paul Krugman: You're Hardly Credible on Calling Somebody Else a Liar Can't stand her But she rips Krugman pretty well

Posted by: Evilpens at October 07, 2012 02:56 PM (ck76k)

197 I didn't cry until I turned it up to hear the rain. Independents/Undecideds already aren't listening to facts. Maybe playing on their beta emotions is what we need.

Posted by: Osoloco at October 07, 2012 02:57 PM (/mQRs)

198 155 Um, a lot of Obama voters think meat is bad and evil and hurts precious mother gaia, so they wouldn't be affected by its absence the way saner people might be. Posted by: argh

Hmmm. Never run it on a Monday? Have a little caption: Meatless Days Should be a Choice.

Would that help?

Posted by: Dianna at October 07, 2012 02:58 PM (mKMj1)

199 don't think people watch TV the same way anymore. Half the time, I'm not watching TV; I have it on in background. The odds of a silent ad pulling my attention up are pretty low, I think. Posted by: ace at October 07, 2012 06:25 PM (LCRYB) ====== Depends when it's played. During The View?

Posted by: don't tell me you're a robot... at October 07, 2012 02:58 PM (LpQbZ)

200

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, only two times, since 1960, has the unemployment dropped by 0.5 percentage points in a two month span.

The first time this happened was in 1984 under President Ronald Reagan (April & May, 1984). The rate went from 7.7 to 7.2. The total jobs created during this 2 month span was 687k. The GDP for the most recent quarter was a whopping 8%.

The only other time (in over 50 years, again) is occurring right now under President Obama (Aug & Sep, 2012). The rate went from 8.3 to 7.8, with a two-month job total of only 256k (128k per month). The GDP for the most recent quarter is a recession-like 1.25.

Think about that again. In over 50 years, starting with President John F. Kennedy, only twice has the unemployment rate dropped by 0.5 percentage points within a 2-month span.

And we are to believe that one of those times is happening right now - under a president with the worst jobs record in history, one month before the most important election of our time – all with a backdrop of anemic GDP and job creation. Oh, and when Obama conveniently needed to get to 7.8% to "break even."

Source: http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

Posted by: nhwingnut at October 07, 2012 02:58 PM (DhgCF)

201 The ad sucks - they are still eating - Romney needs to visit a black drug selling family to see how they make it work......

Posted by: izoneguy at October 07, 2012 02:58 PM (oKH8p)

202 If you hated the ad but aren't switching to Obama  it's all good.

Posted by: Meremortal at October 07, 2012 02:58 PM (1Y+hH)

203 Ha. I'm watching the repeat of Fox News with Chris Wallace and what ad just comes on, the one I just posted from AFP Why I Changed My Vote.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2012 02:58 PM (TMB3S)

204

The one thing that all of the excuse makers for Obama screwing up the debate as bad as Obama at a debate, is that it wasn't Bush's fault.  That said, the obvious next ad should be:

 

Obama, his team and all of his supporters agree that Bush was the greatest President in history!

Posted by: HtP at October 07, 2012 02:59 PM (jx2j9)

205 Whaaaa?

Also, just saw a new womyn's ad on FNC. Pro RandR

http://whyichangedmyvote.com/

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 07, 2012 02:59 PM (piMMO)

206 I don't like the ad either Ace..... I watched it, waiting the whole time for the woman to turn into a raging succubus and eat the man and the children.  This ad frightened me.

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin (hiding under the stairs) at October 07, 2012 02:59 PM (WLTY8)

207 I don't like the ad. It shows a family in a clean house with utilities and food doing just fine, with a vague hint that the evil white male might go all The Shining after dinner. Low information voters won't get it at all, or will assume its pro SCOAMF.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 07, 2012 03:00 PM (rPA5/)

208 "Chuck Todd on the TV News saying the Jobs Report not having an effect on the polls as they had hoped but the debate did"

But Gerg told us the jobs report shifted everything, and Obama will be ahead again on Tuesday!

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 07, 2012 03:00 PM (dX4hn)

209 Goddess of the classroom:
Here's another subtle economic indicator: teeth. Braces are now a luxury many families can't afford.

I'm seeing this too.  People who had their first kids in braces at third or fourth grade are now deciding to hold off.  Heck, our dentist even told us that our daughter could wait a couple of years, no rush. 

Posted by: Ruby at October 07, 2012 03:00 PM (vt4Ip)

210 The ad plays and near the end the camera cuts to the outside of the house where we see an overweight person struggling out of a nice car and heading towards the house. The person carries a clipboard and is covered with Obama flare. As the person walks toward the house the person takes a last bite out of an half-eaten expensive-looking sandwich and tosses the rest into the bushes. The person wipes his face with the Flag hanging on the porch and rings the bell.

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 03:00 PM (Wp4rQ)

211 This ad bums me out so much I'm voting for Obama.

Posted by: USS Diversity at October 07, 2012 03:00 PM (0CiTm)

212

The weak Obama-bulb in the corner lamp is a nice touch.

 

I like subtle.

Posted by: Meremortal at October 07, 2012 03:00 PM (1Y+hH)

213 When my Dad was unemployed I had to get a job to make enough money to pay the mortgage.... Fun times when you are 15.......

Posted by: izoneguy at October 07, 2012 03:00 PM (oKH8p)

214 This is dinner at my house. Maybe not cottage cheese and ketchup bad yet, but we're headed there. Posted by: Truck Monkey

This is unbearable and entirely wrong.

Posted by: Dianna at October 07, 2012 03:00 PM (mKMj1)

215 THIS.I haven't slept through more nights than I can count on my fingers, in three years. And now my business is over. This is not a subtle or cutesy ad for me. It's like a battering ram.

Posted by: lauraw at October 07, 2012 06:42 PM (DbybK)


Yup...this ad is for the unemployed, underemployed and any of the "benefactors" of the "great jobs report" that Gerg is touting.  You're either in that spot now, have been in the past four years, or know people who are in that spot.  That ad puts a human element to the farce that this administration is running around spiking the football over "7.8%" unemployment.

Posted by: jas at October 07, 2012 03:00 PM (KmJYu)

216

TOUCHDOWN BEARS!!!!!!!!

sweet lord

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 03:01 PM (cyGNg)

217 And here is the diff between dems and repubs, the dems would run this ad constantly.  It does something that the dems are masters of.  It uses visceral emotion to drive a point home.

Posted by: Courtesy Flush at October 07, 2012 03:02 PM (tkbF8)

218 Funny, I just saw a commercial like people were talking about. 3 Democrat women on why they are voting for Romney.  Pretty good one too.  Super PAC I haven't heard of before.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 07, 2012 03:02 PM (dX4hn)

219 Here's something that's not too cutesy for ace: Background music: a pipe organ playing circus music A guy wearing a smilin' Obama mask taking a sledge hammer over and over to watermelons and pumpkins marked "ECONOMY" Then that image gets reduced to the top-fourth portion of the screen while the rest of it shows him bowing to foreign dictators Pull that imagin to to the top left corner while a list of broken Obama promises scrolls at lightning speed on the bottom half of the screen, then send it to the bottom right corner On the bottom left, a Michael-Bay-inspired montage of explosions and dirty brown people interspaced with images of 9/11. Then the whole screen shrinks up into the top right quadrant, with the other brew quadrants showing video of: the occupoopers, the southern border being infiltrated by more dirty brown people, and Obama and his team partying. All of these will have full-volume audio competing. Then the whole screen pulls up to the top-right 9th is the screen, with the other eight segments showing newscasts either praising Obama or talking about the lousy economy, except for one box which has a guy mooning you with "Obama" written across his ass. All the while, there are overlays of various factoids zooming across the screen in all directions. Finally, the whole thing pulls pack to show its actually the insides or Romney's smiling mouth, and he's just about to kiss a baby dressed in patriotic clothing and holding two lighted sparklers. Totally up aces alley.

Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 03:02 PM (I2LwF)

220 I don't like the ad. It shows a family in a clean house with utilities and food doing just fine, with a vague hint that the evil white male might go all The Shining after dinner. Low information voters won't get it at all, or will assume its pro SCOAMF. Posted by: Ian S. at October 07, 2012 07:00 PM (rPA5/) Silly rabbit.

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 03:02 PM (Wp4rQ)

221

Because of Obama's massive f--kup, Biden is under immense pressure.  Everybody should start talking up all of the pressure that Biden is under not to screw up so that when he debates his head will explode!

Posted by: HtP at October 07, 2012 03:03 PM (jx2j9)

222 The meal should have been bark broth.

Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2012 03:04 PM (zmkPt)

223 >>Funny, I just saw a commercial like people were talking about. 3 Democrat women on why they are voting for Romney. Pretty good one too. Super PAC I haven't heard of before. Unless its a copycat ad, its Americans For Prosperity, the same group that did the silent ad.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2012 03:04 PM (TMB3S)

224 I might have missed it in the ad, but are times so tough for them, they had to let the minority maid go?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2012 03:04 PM (j1gX1)

225 I guess Ace had never been there.

I was as a kid and a couple of years ago

Posted by: Albie Damned at October 07, 2012 03:04 PM (Yhu4q)

226 with a vague hint that the evil white male might go all The Shining after dinner. Posted by: Ian S. at October 07, 2012 07:00 PM (rPA5/) HA! It does have that feel. It's a shitty ad, bottom line.

Posted by: ErikW at October 07, 2012 03:05 PM (eyqTD)

227 Ace, any relation to David Brooks?

Posted by: Albie Damned at October 07, 2012 03:05 PM (Yhu4q)

228 I like it. It's not something I'd base a campaign on, but it will resonate with the people dealing with the reality of the Obama-conomy

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 07, 2012 03:05 PM (HethX)

229 This is my favorite Romney ad, showing his greatest hits from the debate while TFG stands there with that obnoxious smirk. Make the people remember what that debate was like. http://tinyurl.com/8zw8twm

Posted by: Real Joe behind a vegan in a Prius doing 5 mph under the limit at October 07, 2012 03:06 PM (PD2ad)

230

Who are Americans for Prosperity? 

I think I agree with Ace.  The people look nice but it is so subtle I don't think people will get it, if it is mixed with all kinds of commericals selling this and that.  I think they will scratch their heads and just wonder what it was about.

For the unemployed that may hit right where it counts. I don't know.

Not much information in the ad... not even who to vote for.  I think it gives too much credit to the viewer. 

 

Posted by: petunia at October 07, 2012 03:06 PM (DAcBA)

231 44. I always mute the commercials. With this one it doesn't matter, you just have to watch it to get the overwhelming misery.

Posted by: LRBnSC at October 07, 2012 03:06 PM (Qp3K5)

232 Axelrod is about a slimy, nasty, evil f--k. 

Posted by: HtP at October 07, 2012 03:07 PM (jx2j9)

233 The clicking silverware was just code for slave chains. The whole ad is Raaaacist.

Posted by: Axelrod at October 07, 2012 03:07 PM (66rv5)

234 >>Who are Americans for Prosperity? The evil Koch brothers. They are also one of the biggest supporters of Tea Party groups across the country.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2012 03:07 PM (TMB3S)

235 228 The meal should have been bark broth.

Well, lah-di-dah.

Posted by: North Koreans at October 07, 2012 03:07 PM (6TB1Z)

236 TOUCHDOWN BEARS!!!!!!!! sweet lord Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 07:01 PM (cyGNg) --The fact that I have no clue who Armando Allen is show what an epic ass-kicking Jacksonville is getting.

Posted by: logprof at October 07, 2012 03:07 PM (V/U0X)

237 I sense concern trolls are here.

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 03:07 PM (Wp4rQ)

238 I like this ad... its how I have felt over the last 4 shitty years.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at October 07, 2012 03:08 PM (DGIjM)

239

ahem

BEARS WIN!!!!!   BEARS WIN!!!!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 03:08 PM (cyGNg)

240 Cut back another meal to support Zero's drive for sustainable sustainability.

(Chew on air, you filthy Kulaks!)

Posted by: derit at October 07, 2012 03:08 PM (I88Jc)

241 This ad sucks because papa is portrayed as a beta. 

He shoulda stormed in the door, and plopped down a bloody  f*cking wild hog or venison quarter to get the youngsters all pumped up for supper  (dinner?).


Posted by: Fritz at October 07, 2012 03:09 PM (vm7ot)

242 It needed more clowns and fireworks.

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 03:09 PM (Wp4rQ)

243

next up in two weeks on monday night...the Detroit Felons

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 03:09 PM (cyGNg)

244 Damn, a Brandon Stokley sighting.

Posted by: logprof at October 07, 2012 03:10 PM (V/U0X)

245 @247: And then Moochelle busts in and seizes the meat.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 07, 2012 03:10 PM (rPA5/)

246

I hope that in the next debate, Romney says something like: "I've heard all of the descriptions that you and your supporters have been making about my plans and I just wanted to let you know that I wouldn't mind it so much if you constructed plans for me, but all of your plans suck.  They not only suck, but they fail.  We need plans that don't suck and that work!"

Posted by: HtP at October 07, 2012 03:11 PM (jx2j9)

247 "Yes, things may be shitty now but a bright future is ahead."

Not if Obama is reelected.  Maybe not even with Romney.

I see no point of repeating McCain's "There is nothing to fear from an Obama administration" bullshit.  It turned out we had plenty to fear.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 07, 2012 03:11 PM (dX4hn)

248 Let them eat cake.

Posted by: Mooch at October 07, 2012 03:12 PM (0CiTm)

249 He shoulda stormed in the door, and plopped down a bloody f*cking wild hog or venison quarter to get the youngsters all pumped up for supper (dinner?).


Posted by: Fritz at October 07, 2012 07:09 PM (vm7ot)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Husband:  "Now cook this shit.  And, hey, is there still beer in the bathtub, bitch"?

Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2012 03:12 PM (zmkPt)

250

247  you just know if that was sarah palin's family she would have just gone out and killed a caribou with her bare hands and had fresh meat for a week

missus the heart which she would have eaten herself while it was still beating of course

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 03:12 PM (cyGNg)

251 That guy was my dad, circa 1980.  I just didn't know it back then.  We didn't have much money, but Mom kept our house was immaculate, even with four kids.  The low lights, saving money.  Don't have any more on than you need.  Even though my family is doing okay, it's kind of a "there but for the grace of God" feeling it gives me.

Posted by: Ruby at October 07, 2012 03:12 PM (vt4Ip)

252 They're eating their dog, which should make Obama hungry.

Posted by: Mr Wonderful at October 07, 2012 03:12 PM (6/bOE)

253 OT Fistfull of Dollars starting right now on HDnet.

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 03:12 PM (6o4Fb)

254 251 @247: And then Moochelle busts in and seizes the meat.

But it's okay, because she leaves some sprigs of arugula behind.

Posted by: pep at October 07, 2012 03:12 PM (6TB1Z)

255 251 @247: And then Moochelle busts in and seizes the meat. Posted by: Ian S.

Nah. She just invites herself to dinner, and lectures them while gorging.

Posted by: Dianna at October 07, 2012 03:13 PM (mKMj1)

256 The Broncos are using Obama's debating strategy against the Pats.

Posted by: Meremortal at October 07, 2012 03:13 PM (1Y+hH)

257 BTW, I'm really sorry to hear that lauraw is having business problems. And prayers for all of you morons going through difficult times. Mr Y-not and I have taken a big hit and really in terms of long term plans we haven't come close to recovering, but day to day we're stable, thank goodness. But after what we went through in California, I feel like I aged a decade and now worry about things I never worried about before. It's pretty discouraging.

Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2012 03:13 PM (5H6zj)

258 The evil Koch brothers. They are also one of the biggest supporters of Tea Party groups across the country. Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2012 07:07 PM (TMB3S) They're also libertarian leaning supporters of gay marriage and what not. They are not conservative by any means. They only use the Tea Party to get Odickhead out of office. Whatever works for now, I guess.

Posted by: ErikW at October 07, 2012 03:13 PM (eyqTD)

259 NASA TV coverage of the SpaceX launch to the ISS has begun. Launch is scheduled for 8:30PM EDT.

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv

Posted by: Anachronda at October 07, 2012 03:13 PM (1c58W)

260 Oops. 8:35PM eastern.


Posted by: Anachronda at October 07, 2012 03:14 PM (1c58W)

261 227 Because of Obama's massive f--kup, Biden is under immense pressure. Everybody should start talking up all of the pressure that Biden is under not to screw up so that when he debates his head will explode! Posted by: HtP at October 07, 2012 07:03 PM (jx2j9) Reports say Biden is taking SIX DAYS OFF CAMPAIGNING to prep for debate. No one can learn to read in just six days...

Posted by: Mr Wolf, Esq at October 07, 2012 03:14 PM (SgVUM)

262 Obviously, the husband got fired for disrespecting the President. The wife was busted for dealing meth and the bitch used the food money to post bail.

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 03:14 PM (Wp4rQ)

263 Like it or not, the ad is effective. It's not the gut punch, which is certainly there. It's the fact that you feel compelled to talk about it.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 07, 2012 03:14 PM (w5blK)

264 A great ad would be to show Obama and Romney walking out on the stage and shaking hands and then cut to the scene from Avengers where Hulk smashes Loki around like a wet rag. "Puny SCOAMT"

Posted by: HtP at October 07, 2012 03:14 PM (jx2j9)

265

I disagree Ace.

I think this is the best political add I have seen in my lifetime.  It needs to run in every swing state.

All it needs is for Romney to puchase the add, delete 5 seconds in the middle - and add to the end - " I'm Mitt romney, and i approve this add. But I hate how so many American families are suffering this plight. I want to do something about. We HAVE to do something about it."

Posted by: builderD at October 07, 2012 03:15 PM (hqKI2)

266 1) IMO, it's a good ad in that no one will be motivated by it to vote against Romney.

2) IMO, Biden's meltdown at the VP debate will be epic. He may not make it to the end.


Posted by: Othered at October 07, 2012 03:16 PM (EuW9O)

267 228 The meal should have been bark broth. Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2012 07:04 PM (zmkPt) Most picnic tables are edible.

Posted by: Euell Gibbons at October 07, 2012 03:16 PM (Kahtz)

268 They're also libertarian leaning supporters of gay marriage and what not. They are not conservative by any means. They only use the Tea Party to get Odickhead out of office. Whatever works for now, I guess. Posted by: ErikW at October 07, 2012 07:13 PM (eyqTD) --Eh, one does not have to be conservative across the board to be conservative. I don't care about John Bolton's support of gay marriage, that's for sure. And the liberal hatred of the Kochs says a lot --they're hated by all the right people (who, by the day, don't give a shit that they support gay marriage).

Posted by: logprof at October 07, 2012 03:16 PM (V/U0X)

269 212 "Chuck Todd on the TV News saying the Jobs Report not having an effect on the polls as they had hoped but the debate did" But Gerg told us the jobs report shifted everything, and Obama will be ahead again on Tuesday! Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 07, 2012 07:00 PM (dX4hn) Wait... Dave, are you suggesting Gergle may be full of shit?!

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at October 07, 2012 03:16 PM (DGIjM)

270 OT trmovie trivia.Steve McQueen was going to be the Sundance Kid to Newman's Butch Cassidy but dropped out over a dispute of how they would be billed.Ironically,when he worked with Newman in 1974 on The Towering Inferno they were billed the same as they would have been in the western.

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 03:16 PM (6o4Fb)

271 NASA TV coverage of the SpaceX launch to the ISS has begun. Launch is scheduled for 8:30PM EDT. http://www.nasa.gov/ntv Posted by: Anachronda at October 07, 2012 07:13 PM (1c58W) But so they employ any muslims and promote islam?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2012 03:16 PM (j1gX1)

272

whoa

the girl is plugged in playing dream warriors

 

i smell rock goddess cash

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 03:16 PM (cyGNg)

273 Near the end, the dad turns to the kids: Nothing in the squirrel trap -again-?.

Posted by: Al at October 07, 2012 03:16 PM (MzQOZ)

274 Snoop Dogg just jacked their F-150.

Posted by: Mr Wonderful at October 07, 2012 03:16 PM (6/bOE)

275 Shut up, bitch. Go fix me turkey pot pie.

Posted by: John Bender's Dad at October 07, 2012 03:17 PM (0CiTm)

276 #236, Y-not: I share that "there, but for the grace of God" sense. I'm doing fine, but I know far too many people who aren't.

Posted by: Dianna at October 07, 2012 03:17 PM (mKMj1)

277 It's the fact that you feel compelled to talk about it. Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 07, 2012 07:14 PM (w5blK) Not really. It makes no difference to us, we already know who we're voting for.

Posted by: ErikW at October 07, 2012 03:17 PM (eyqTD)

278 225 - Thread winner, Truman, thread winner

ROFL

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 07, 2012 03:17 PM (dX4hn)

279 Expectations so low for Biden, we've coached Joe to finish each point with either "take that sucka" or "who aaa". Joe's finisher will be: "How do ya like me know?" By the next morning the ghey twerps at Politico will be pushing our Joe's leading the comeback meme. Easy money

Posted by: Axelrod at October 07, 2012 03:18 PM (66rv5)

280 NASA TV is live with coverage of the Falcon 9/Dragon launch to the ISS, scheduled for 8:35 pm EDT. http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ustream.html

Posted by: rickl at October 07, 2012 03:18 PM (sdi6R)

281 I hope that the debate going against Thursday Night Football does not depress viewership. On the one hand, it's a Steelers game which is bad from a PA standpoint. On the other, it's only vs. the lowly Titans so who knows?

Posted by: logprof at October 07, 2012 03:18 PM (V/U0X)

282 I like the ad.. shows a family concerned about caloric intake. First time in my life I am proud of a cracker family.

Posted by: moochelle at October 07, 2012 03:18 PM (DGIjM)

283 It's a copycat, Jack.  I was looking for the AFP tag, and it wasn't them.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 07, 2012 03:18 PM (dX4hn)

284 >>They're also libertarian leaning supporters of gay marriage and what not. They are not conservative by any means. Given that David Koch was the libertarian candidate for VP a while back I'd say they are considerably more than libertarian leaning. I don't care. They give millions to the causes of economic freedom and that works for me. Gay marriage is not what threatens to take this country over a cliff at the moment.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2012 03:18 PM (TMB3S)

285 257 That guy was my dad, circa 1980. I just didn't know it back then. We didn't have much money, but Mom kept our house was immaculate, even with four kids. The low lights, saving money. Don't have any more on than you need. Even though my family is doing okay, it's kind of a "there but for the grace of God" feeling it gives me. Posted by: Ruby at October 07, 2012 07:12 PM (vt4Ip) That guy was my Dad circa 1978. People who have never lived through it will never get it.

Posted by: Ed Anger at October 07, 2012 03:18 PM (tOkJB)

286 8:35 on a Sunday night is much more convenient that 3:30 am on Tuesday morning, like the last one.

Posted by: rickl at October 07, 2012 03:19 PM (sdi6R)

287 Looks like the Romney Bears used the Romney gambit on the Jacksonville Obamas. 41-3. Faahck Me.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at October 07, 2012 03:19 PM (Kahtz)

288 Haha.. Willis McGahee! Never trust a Mick to do the job of an Italian.

Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 03:19 PM (I2LwF)

289 I disagree ace.  Like others upthread I find this perhaps the most unsettling ad I've ever watched (too young for "Daisy" I guess).  It's like a literal (and not like a "Joe Biden 'literal'") slap in the face.  I keep watching it over and over, like a train wreck, and it never loses its punch.  (Those are good actors BTW, and whoever said it's about the husband, not the wife, was right). 

There is a place for emotional grabs as well as stats and I think it's great that the Repubs can walk and chew gum, I mean cottage cheese, at the same time. 

Posted by: no one of consequence at October 07, 2012 03:19 PM (3JKot)

290 Joe Biden is an accomplished liar and isn't this debate moderated by that chick who hates Ryan? I don't expect a blow-out. But I think Ryan will do fine, land a few punches, and make a good impression. Ryan doesn't have to win. Romney won handily. Ryan just needs to be reassuring and likable. He'll be fine. If he does better than that and Biden really messes up, all the better. But to me it's not necessary.

Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2012 03:20 PM (5H6zj)

291 I wouldn't hang too much on a VP debate. And Palin dismantled him in 08 and it helped zilch.

Posted by: USS Diversity at October 07, 2012 03:20 PM (0CiTm)

292 This ad is not meant for people who already know they are voting against Obama or for Mitt. It is meant for those who need a push away from Obama. Other ads will pull them to Mitt.

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 03:20 PM (Wp4rQ)

293 Ace, you really don't get it do you?

This isn't a contest about who has the cooler smart phone, or the rigt haircut

Posted by: Albie Damned at October 07, 2012 03:21 PM (Yhu4q)

294 I blame fracking.

Posted by: Mr Wonderful at October 07, 2012 03:21 PM (6/bOE)

295 "Wait... Dave, are you suggesting Gergle may be full of shit?!"

I'm stunned, Shrimpy, he assured me this morning that he is only here to bring reason and common sense to us all.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 07, 2012 03:21 PM (dX4hn)

296 8:35 on a Sunday night is much more convenient that 3:30 am on Tuesday morning, like the last one. Posted by: rickl at October 07, 2012 07:19 PM (sdi6R) That whole orbital physics shit pisses me off too. And thanks for the heads up!

Posted by: ErikW at October 07, 2012 03:22 PM (eyqTD)

297

288   the lowly Titans

my wife hates you

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 03:22 PM (cyGNg)

298 http://whyichangedmyvote.com/ Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 07, 2012 06:59 PM (piMMO) ========= racist

Posted by: don't tell me you're a robot... at October 07, 2012 03:23 PM (LpQbZ)

299

Mandy P.  --  It's good to know people still eat at the dining room table like a family.  I don't have children, so it doesn't affect me. But I   imagine many people will be affected by this one because they live it every day when they come home and eat dinner with the family.

 

Speaking of   the  Biden/Ryan Debate....why does everyone assume  idiot Joe will be the  one to hit the emotional  button, whereas  Ryan will only quote facts.  I've seen him talk about passing debt on to   children and talking about his mother.  This is good stuff.  I think he can be effective  in that way too, and if not, he could always just wink and smile at the camera.  That's worth the soccer mom vote. 

Posted by: Mo the Girl at October 07, 2012 03:23 PM (O/Mo3)

300 I like the ad.. shows a family concerned about caloric intake. First time in my life I am proud of a cracker family.

Posted by: moochelle at October 07, 2012 07:18 PM (DGIjM)

 

__- - - -  - -- -  - -   - - -   -  - - -   -  -  -  - - -  -  - -  - - - - - - - - - - - - -   ;;;;;

 

I  have  to  tip my hat to that post and denounce myself and the universe.

Posted by: Meremortal at October 07, 2012 03:24 PM (1Y+hH)

301 I wonder if the Obumbles takes cholesterol meds?

Posted by: Courtesy Flush at October 07, 2012 03:24 PM (tkbF8)

302 The only good thing about the Carter years was all the Red Leb. And he even ruined that.

Posted by: Ed Anger at October 07, 2012 03:24 PM (tOkJB)

303 You know whio is scared to death of fracking?The Russians.And probably OPEC.Both are financing opposition.

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 03:24 PM (6o4Fb)

304 302 "Wait... Dave, are you suggesting Gergle may be full of shit?!" I'm stunned, Shrimpy, he assured me this morning that he is only here to bring reason and common sense to us all. Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 07, 2012 07:21 PM (dX4hn) I dont know what to think... he was so deadly accurate about the Wisconsin recall.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at October 07, 2012 03:25 PM (DGIjM)

305 Peyton is wondering how he fell into such a horrible team.

Posted by: sad at October 07, 2012 03:25 PM (LpQbZ)

306 When do the sock puppet rankings come out

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright sock puppet at October 07, 2012 03:26 PM (ovpNn)

307 84 I think the same message is better relayed -- without the artifice -- in direct-address interviews by Obama voters, now out of work, and looking for a change.

no actors-- real people.

I guess that's my problem, at heart. these are NOT real people. Well, they are, but they're actors, pretending to be other people.

Why not interview the real McCoy?

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2012 06:27 PM (LCRYB)

It's the age of "reality TV" where everything is faked. These people are as real as we get nowadays.

Posted by: The Black Republican at October 07, 2012 03:26 PM (rvcgS)

308 Why does Obama keep running ads showing Romney beating his ass in the debate?

He campaigns like Obama at a debate.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 07, 2012 03:27 PM (dX4hn)

309 It's a great ad.  It's effective. It's memorable.  It's got people talking.  How many ads do that?

Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at October 07, 2012 03:27 PM (P6QsQ)

310 Yeah, but Rmoney is the lyingest liar since lies were invented

Posted by: dodging bullets in Chicago at October 07, 2012 03:27 PM (befMf)

311 My guess is that AoS morons are not the target audience for the ad. My bet is that the targets are married women who bought into Hope and Change four years ago.

Posted by: USA at October 07, 2012 03:27 PM (RIg+t)

312 I don't care. They give millions to the causes of economic freedom and that works for me. Gay marriage is not what threatens to take this country over a cliff at the moment. Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2012 07:18 PM (TMB3S) To be sure and I agree. I just wanted to clarify a bit.

Posted by: ErikW at October 07, 2012 03:28 PM (eyqTD)

313 I like this ad. It tells a very real story. A hard one.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 07, 2012 03:28 PM (pUqSw)

314 >>It's a copycat, Jack. I was looking for the AFP tag, and it wasn't them. Maybe its Ending the Spending. Different group but pretty closely related. They've been doing an ad like that as well.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2012 03:28 PM (TMB3S)

315 Funny how it works with Gergie.  His previous mistakes are treated like they never happened.  I wish I could wake up everyday not remembering my mistakes.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 07, 2012 03:29 PM (dX4hn)

316

I think it's a good ad.  The guy's not angry at the wife, he feels shame.  He feels humiliated in front of the family for failing them. 

The lack of dialogue helps, not hurts.

Posted by: Matt at October 07, 2012 03:29 PM (Ou5cA)

317 Yeah, End the Spending, that was the PAC

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 07, 2012 03:29 PM (dX4hn)

318 213. SIL works for a dentist. Many, many cancellations for dental work after the economy crashed. Office went from open 5 days to open 4 days a week.

Posted by: LRBnSC at October 07, 2012 03:30 PM (Qp3K5)

319 I wonder if there might be a way to couple this ad with what those poor kids ate for lunch at school today.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 07, 2012 03:30 PM (RLZvP)

320 Well, I need a monster, 30-point game from Jimmy Graham to beat a team in the Moron League that started 3 idle players. Let's have a shootout!

Posted by: logprof at October 07, 2012 03:31 PM (V/U0X)

321 Anyone who's ever been worried about not being able to feed their kids is the target audience.  Right now that's about 23 million people.

Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at October 07, 2012 03:31 PM (P6QsQ)

322 263BTW, I'm really sorry to hear that lauraw is having business problems. And prayers for all of you morons going through difficult times.

Mr Y-not and I have taken a big hit and really in terms of long term plans we haven't come close to recovering, but day to day we're stable, thank goodness. But after what we went through in California, I feel like I aged a decade and now worry about things I never worried about before. It's pretty discouraging.

Posted by: Y-not at October 07, 2012 07:13 PM (5H6zj)

 

 

Ditto to everything.  Good luck to us all.  Strength.

Posted by: HtP at October 07, 2012 03:31 PM (jx2j9)

323 The donation scandal thread is now above this one. Why?

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 03:32 PM (Wp4rQ)

324 I would think something happened to my TV. I'm assuming the rain and silverware sounds output via the surround if you have them.

Posted by: the deafening silence at October 07, 2012 03:32 PM (LpQbZ)

325 I think the same message is better relayed -- without the artifice -- in direct-address interviews by Obama voters, now out of work, and looking for a change.

no actors-- real people.

I guess that's my problem, at heart. these are NOT real people. Well, they are, but they're actors, pretending to be other people.

Why not interview the real McCoy?

In other words, lots of Dorthea Lange videos, instead of one Dorthea Lange photo.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at October 07, 2012 03:33 PM (kqqGm)

326 Luntz's fucking idiot dunces didn't like it because it didn't have enough Doritos in it.

Posted by: Mr Wonderful at October 07, 2012 03:33 PM (6/bOE)

327 I'm glad to hear things are going better for you, Y-not.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 07, 2012 03:33 PM (RLZvP)

328 Peyton is wondering how he fell into such a horrible team. Posted by: sad at October 07, 2012 07:25 PM (LpQbZ) $$$$$$$$$$$$ duh.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at October 07, 2012 03:33 PM (Kahtz)

329 I know that ad - it's from real life: the end of the season despair that dwells in the breast of every Chicago Cubs fan.

Posted by: mrp at October 07, 2012 03:34 PM (HjPtV)

330 Prayers for LauraW and anyone else who's struggling right now.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 07, 2012 03:34 PM (RLZvP)

331 31 years old, married with two daughters, 5 and 2. This ad works. I think adding a couple extra lines of text would help. Show the rising cost of things like gas, insurance, groceries, etc. THEN show unemployment. Really drive home why they have those looks on their faces.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 07, 2012 03:34 PM (GEICT)

332 247   what     roadkill      while he was out job hunting?

Posted by: pitchforksandpowder at October 07, 2012 03:34 PM (zu25Z)

333 I wonder if there might be a way to couple this ad with what those poor kids ate for lunch at school today.

Little Girl in a worried voice: Don't worry Daddy! I'll sneak lunch home from school again tomorrow.

Posted by: Al at October 07, 2012 03:34 PM (MzQOZ)

334 I like the ad a lot.  It may not be very subtle, but it doesn't have any fakey fake lines delivered by fourth rate actors who come across like the special ed teacher explaining to us why we shouldn't pee on the carpet (e.g., every AARP ad you've ever seen).  

Who cares what ads run anyway?  Anybody who isn't a died in the wool democrat or government leech is either not voting at all or voting for Romney.  The moderate Obama voters who aren't sure about Obama this time around were just given the blessing they needed to go ahead and vote against him in that debate.  That ass-kicking not only opened up the flood gates for the preference cascade against Obama to begin, but it also showed Romney is a winner, and not just some rich guy playing in politics.  People like to vote for a winner. 

Posted by: not the mama at October 07, 2012 03:34 PM (kzCIn)

335 Funny how it works with Gergie. His previous mistakes are treated like they never happened. I wish I could wake up everyday not remembering my mistakes.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 07, 2012 07:29 PM

A good dose of Alzheimers and you're there buddy.

Posted by: Beto at October 07, 2012 03:35 PM (BAnPT)

336 I just asked my wife to watch this. She's apolitical. I didn't tell her what it was, except that she KNEW it was political.
Her reaction:
1.She didn't understand what the issue was until the tag line appeared.
2. It seemed more like some sort of domestic violence situation.
3. She said that the plates were too full and the types of food on display weren't indicative of desperate straights.if you're hard up for groceries, you'd be better off with mac and cheese and some kind of cheap meat than salad ( with cherry tomatoes) and cottage cheese.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 07, 2012 03:36 PM (UW6NX)

337 Listening to the stories of Laura, Y-Not, and all the others (God bless you all) it drives home why Romney is going to win and it won't be close.  It's 1980 all over again, and people want the fear to end.

"Forward." doesn't work when people are frightened.

Maslov's hierarchy of needs.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 07, 2012 03:36 PM (dX4hn)

338 He feels humiliated in front of the family for failing them. Posted by: Matt at October 07, 2012 07:29 PM (Ou5cA) Why should he feel humiliated if the cocksuckers in DC have made it impossible for him to provide? The ad should show him and everyone else storming the Capitol with torches and pitchforks.

Posted by: ErikW at October 07, 2012 03:36 PM (eyqTD)

339

It's got a lot of power, no doubt about it. It's not  LBJ's   'daisy' ad though.

 

 

 

So,  any  word  on  when  the  new  scandal  thingie  gets  released?

 

 

Posted by: Short attention span wingnut at October 07, 2012 03:36 PM (1Y+hH)

340

84 I think the same message is better relayed --
without the artifice -- in direct-address interviews by Obama voters,
now out of work, and looking for a change.



no actors-- real people.



I guess that's my problem, at heart. these are NOT real people.
Well, they are, but they're actors, pretending to be other people.



Why not interview the real McCoy?


Posted by: ace at October 07, 2012 06:27 PM (LCRYB)

Those tits were real ! the ad...meh ok I guess. I should hve at least said vote for RR

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 07, 2012 03:37 PM (DU15A)

341 347 You're psychic

Posted by: Beto at October 07, 2012 03:38 PM (BAnPT)

342 Why should he feel humiliated if the cocksuckers in DC have made it impossible for him to provide? Serious question...you married? Kids? Because trust me, emberassment is a very real emotion when you're staring not being able to provide for your family in the face. Rage is there too, but the hurt of a husband/father who's worried about providing the basics (let alone the best) for his loved ones is a terrible, and powerful, thing.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 07, 2012 03:40 PM (GEICT)

343 I don't like it either. It's just plain creepy.

Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at October 07, 2012 03:43 PM (0v4Ix)

344 I think it's devastating because it shows the silent suffering going on throughout the country. People are embarrassed to be in the positions they find themselves in. They shouldn't be embarrassed but they are. They did everything right, followed all the rules and they find themselves in this position. They always had a job. They never thought they'd be going through their savings at a record clip. They never ever thought they might lose their home and their car. And the fmily unit is fighting alone. They are telling their kids not to tell anyone that they aren't eating meat anymore. They are only buying clothing for the kids because they grow and because they go to school everyday and need to look like everything is fine with the family. The rain is coming down steadily because it's a metaphor for the economy and for the sentiment of depression, both actual and within hearts and minds. The could have titled the ad "How did we get here? How did this happen to us?" and it would have been just as effective. Probably, were it not for the embarrassment and pride, the people on assistance would have doubled in the last couple of months. You know the country is having a tough time in the reports from retail. All at once in July, people just stopped buying. Yeah, you might replace a worn out pair of pants, a worn out pair of shoes. You might buy a new suit and shirt and tie and dress shoes for the job hunt but that's it. There are no extras, nothing and they are thinking that Christmas is coming and there won't be a normal Christmas this year. It makes you cry.

Posted by: pray for peace at October 07, 2012 03:45 PM (oZfic)

345 344
3. She said that the plates were too full and the types of food on display weren't indicative of desperate straights.if you're hard up for groceries, you'd be better off with mac and cheese and some kind of cheap meat than salad ( with cherry tomatoes) and cottage cheese.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 07, 2012 07:36 PM (UW6NX)


This is a good point.  My parents made creamed tuna on toast a lot when money was tight.  Can't get much cheaper than a can of tuna, homemade white gravy, and bread.  My dad loved it, but I thought it was disgusting slop. Something like that would have gotten the point across better.

Posted by: not the mama at October 07, 2012 03:50 PM (kzCIn)

346

337   the end of the season despair that dwells in the breast of every Chicago Cubs fan

 

sigh

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 03:52 PM (cyGNg)

347 Can't get much cheaper than a can of tuna, homemade white gravy, and bread.

Ramen noodles. With nothing else.

Easy to identify. Many other 'cheap foods' aren't quite so easy to identify.

Mac n Cheese, or PB&J as a dinner with nothing else are identifiable too.

Posted by: Al at October 07, 2012 03:55 PM (MzQOZ)

348

ErikW, you're right that people react differently to being out of work.  Some people rage at the world or the boss who fired them.  Many others can take government handouts without batting an eye.

But for a lot of people being out of work and not being able to provide for your family feels like a personal failure.  It doesn't matter whether or not it was your fault or whether you gave it your best if you have a family to support.

Posted by: Matt at October 07, 2012 03:55 PM (Ou5cA)

349 Only partly off-topic: Thirty-plus years ago a friend of a friend, a grad student with an insufficient stipend, subsisted almost entirely on Kraft Mac & Cheese without the milk and butter, because he couldn't afford them: just noodles, water, salt, and orange powder. After a few months of this, he ended up in the hospital with scurvy. As my friend reported it, the disease wasn't that bad, but it was really embarrassing to have dozens of doctors stopping by every day, some from miles away, and oohing and aahing over him. None of them had ever seen a case of scurvy, or expected ever to have another chance to see one.

Come to think of it, during the Carter Administration I once had absolutely no money and nothing in the kitchen but a couple of slices of totally stale bread, one egg, a bit of half-sour milk, some old lard, and a tablespoon of even older marmalade. Fortunately, there is one dish you can make with those particular ingredients. Unfortunately, French Toast made from rye bread with caraway seeds is really nasty, with or without marmalade.

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at October 07, 2012 04:01 PM (E3MFP)

350 P.S. My point is not to brag about miserableness of that particular meal. Many others have suffered, and are suffering, worse. My point is that I still remember the taste of that damned rye-bread French Toast, 34 or 35 years later. As others have testified on this thread, poverty and desperation are hard to get over, and impossible to forget.

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at October 07, 2012 04:07 PM (E3MFP)

351 Around the turn of the century, when I was going through a period of sporadic employment, I once cut up some old freezer-burned chorizo and mixed it with oatmeal. It was every bit as tasty as it sounds.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 07, 2012 04:09 PM (RLZvP)

352 I was desperately poor during the Carter administration. Poor to the point of selling my clothing for money to buy Kraft Mac and Cheese to survive.  To this day I cannot eat that stuff.  The grandkids like me to make it but I cannot eat it myself.

Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at October 07, 2012 04:11 PM (P6QsQ)

353 "But for a lot of people being out of work and not being able to provide for your family feels like a personal failure. It doesn't matter whether or not it was your fault or whether you gave it your best if you have a family to support."

Throw in a federal government that gotten completely out of control, and you begin to feel helpless. 

When I was underemployed for two years, I was fortunate because neither myself nor my wife ever tried to live outside our means.  In fact, prior to me being laid off, I refinanced my mortgage to a 15 year loan, and was able to eliminate some of our excess monthly payments.  I also had accumulated a decent amount in my 401K, (which we ended up just about draining in the two years.)  Plus, my wife worked full time.  We didn't hit the stage of despair that a lot of other people around this country have.  But, I'd go to bed some nights and just lie awake worrying I'd never be employed again.  I'm 47 now, and you start wondering if any wants to hire someone at that age.  I went on job interviews, and I'd be told I was over-qualified for a job, or, I'd get asked, could I take working a job where I'd be making less than half what I made in my last job.  And, then, as you are underemployed for longer and longer times, you if people are questioning why you haven't been hired by someone.  You can have any future plans, because you have no idea what's ahead of you.  My wife and I just hunkered down, not even wanting to go to family gatherings, because you just don't want to deal with anyone.

Posted by: jas at October 07, 2012 04:16 PM (KmJYu)

354 <<Another thing is -- if this were a TV ad, which I'm not sure it is -- I don't think people watch TV the same way anymore. Half the time, I'm not watching TV; I have it on in background. The odds of a silent ad pulling my attention up are pretty low, I think.>>

Fair enough, but you run this ad in the right time slot (dinner hour) and a LOT of people are going to either say "That's me" or "That's a family I know."

I think this ad is perfect...akin to the Daisy Ad.

Posted by: Sgt. York at October 07, 2012 04:19 PM (tWBWQ)

355 When I first moved out on my own, working for minimum wage and having no clue how to stretch a budget, there were a few occasions when all I had left in the way of food was salsa. I'd add water and make soup out of it.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 07, 2012 04:20 PM (RLZvP)

356
# 329

Anyone who's ever been worried about not being able to feed their kids is the target audience. Right now that's about 23 million people.

On the nose....additionally:

Plus the millions more wondering if they'll have a job in the months to come. And the other millions with family and friends unfortunately in the situation depicted in the ad. Oh...and the millions more that have previously lived that gut clenching nightmare.

So sorry it doesn't have brightly colored balloon animals, and a canned laugh track to take the edge off....but this ad shows us just what those 23 million people, and their families are feeling. There's no red, white, and blue bunting, no bands, no free hot dogs for the kiddies. No one shouts out "Cut" at the end of the day. It's a gritty depiction of a reality that millions of us suffer, and you can't paste a grinning smiley face on top of that, and hope to win voters....though Obama is trying to do just that...and he should be encouraged to continue.


Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 07, 2012 04:21 PM (L7hol)

357 Uncle Joey is heading for a trap. The huge mistake he's going to make is that he's going to get on a 'Happy Days Are Here Again' narrative. He's going to seize on this bogus unemployment number and go off on a tangent about how awesome it is everywhere for everybody. He's doomed, the poor bastard. And he doesn't even know it. Posted by: runninrebel at October 07, 2012 07:23 PM (N/1Dm) ====== I bet he shows his faux anger that we have been seeing in his stump speeches. I bet he literally says "you lie" to Paul. I do not put it past him.

Posted by: don't trust biden at October 07, 2012 04:23 PM (LpQbZ)

358 I think you are missing the point on the food. It's a young family. They are trying to give some nutrition. They don't want to give mac and cheese or ramen, their kids will gain weight. They are trying to provide balance, notice the cottage chees is the replacement protein for the meat. A lot of people are probably eating like this. It's what you are still eating before you realize that you have to eat mac and cheese and ramen. Or before the kids get all the food and mom and dad have a cup of tea.

Posted by: pray for peace at October 07, 2012 04:25 PM (oZfic)

359 PW: Oatmeal is actually one of the cheapest nourishing foods around, as long as you still have gas or electricity to cook it. The only thing it really has to have to be edible is salt, and even milk and sugar are pretty cheap in the amounts needed to make it tasty. It's right up there with Ramen noodles, Mac & Cheese, potatoes, and the $1.29 white bread most grocery chains keep on the bottom shelf for cheap calories. Of course, getting some protein and fat and fiber to go with your carbs is not so easy, though cabbage and onions help with the last.
Here's a recipe someone I used to know learned living on a farm in Poland for a year back in the mid-1970s. (He was getting in touch with his roots and getting some total-immersion language training before going to grad school to study Polish literature. His Irish-American wife was very bored.) Anyway, here's the recipe: Fry up one small onion in a little grease in a large frying pan. When it's sufficiently cooked, fill up the pan with half cabbage and half previously-boiled noodles and fry until done. The onion is necessary to make the whole mess (barely) palatable.

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at October 07, 2012 04:26 PM (E3MFP)

360 Could'a been my grandparents table after 1929. My Dad was 5 when the SHTF. By age nine, in the first year of FDR, he'd picked up a .22 rifle and what he shot over the next 7-8 years of social engineering often was what was for dinner.  Although my GrandDad usually had a job, that money went for other things. Ace, you can't believe how experiencing that period affected the children of those who were part of the 25% marginally employed or unemployed. My Dad was a tightwad frugal, his whole life. It was only at the end of his life that he told his stories about outwitting game wardens - he knew the local fields, woods and marshes better than they and as a kid, hides were easy to find. Sometimes he had to lie low for a few hours. His Depression experience resonated with his kids and I now see some of it in my own son as transmitted second hand by me.
Powerful ad. Should go on commercial TV with the Obungle voiceover at the end about how the private sector is doing fine.

Posted by: chuckR at October 07, 2012 04:28 PM (UGxsK)

361 I saw an article this morning. He's taking 6 days to prepare for the debate with Ryan. I wonder if he'll have a cheat sheet with the numbers on it or he'll simply play the "I'm older than you and smarter and wiser and you better respect me card" ala the hillary/rick lazio debate? Paul Ryan has a tough job ahead of him.

Posted by: pray for peace at October 07, 2012 04:28 PM (oZfic)

362

Not only the unemployeed or underemployed will this be a gut-shot to  -   but also  the employed that are worried about their current jobs. We all know people in this situation, and we all fear being there. adults that were kids during crater remember their parent's plight even if today as adults they aren't this family's situation.

This add hits home for many reasons to many people.

It really needs to run in every swing state.

Very , scarily powerful.

Posted by: builderD at October 07, 2012 04:32 PM (hqKI2)

363 The stories on this thread bring you to tears even more so than the ad.

Posted by: silent prayers at October 07, 2012 04:36 PM (LpQbZ)

364 Deficit? What does deficit have to do with anything? I got news for you, pal... everybody deficits. Some Japanese guy wrote a book all about it!

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 07, 2012 04:36 PM (RLZvP)

365 #367: I've always liked cabbage, myself. I was sort of a weird kid.

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 07, 2012 04:38 PM (RLZvP)

366 Sock not intended on #373.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 07, 2012 04:38 PM (RLZvP)

367 My mom could work wonders cooking on a tight budget. I never went hungry as a kid, and I always liked everything she made. I'm sure she went hungry on occasion, but she never told me, not even years later when I found myself feeling a little guilty and asked her about it.

I do remember one time when, out of the blue, she declared to me that she'd rather die than go on welfare. I didn't know what to make of it; it scared me. But it also stuck with me as a powerful lesson in self-sufficiency.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 07, 2012 04:48 PM (RLZvP)

368 And why do you not like it, pray tell?  Is this a mystery?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 07, 2012 04:56 PM (wR+pz)

369

So sorry it doesn't have brightly colored balloon animals, and a canned laugh track to take the edge off....but this ad shows us just what those 23 million people, and their families are feeling. There's no red, white, and blue bunting, no bands, no free hot dogs for the kiddies. No one shouts out "Cut" at the end of the day. It's a gritty depiction of a reality that millions of us suffer, and you can't paste a grinning smiley face on top of that, and hope to win voters....though Obama is trying to do just that...and he should be encouraged to continue. Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 07, 2012 08:21 PM (L7hol)

Exactly. Last year, a lot of people were laid off at my place of employment and I tossed and turned at night fearing I would be next. Just the prospect of being laid off - in this economy - was enough to turn me into a wreck. I couldn't eat, I constantly imagined worst case scenarios....This ad hit me right in the gut.

Posted by: Donna V. at October 07, 2012 04:58 PM (dcIHW)

370 AFP or somebody else should do an ad on other ways people are screwed, like actually being able to refinance a mortgage, as opposed to notionally being able to with Chris/Bawney (Dud/Fwank) in effect. Mitt discussed the unintended consequences a little in his beat-down of TFG. I'm going thru the long process of a refi now. The LTV is 16% and I can pay off all my debts including the smallish mortgage without going into retirement funds. I'll get it, but the bankers are pissing themselves because I am self employed and semi-retired. This makes me as suspect as the banksters themselves. I basically work because its something to do, pays the healthcare bill ($24 eff'n K per year) and gives me gas and lunch money. Can't imagine the sleepless nights if LTV was 116% and my family had minimal savings. There are a lot of people who can imagine that because they are living it. Hope'n'change.

Posted by: chuckR at October 07, 2012 05:04 PM (UGxsK)

371 The fact that I never went hungry until I was an adult makes me appreciate all the more what my mom went through raising me, as well as the fact that during my own hardest times I didn't have someone depending on me.

I think this is a powerful ad.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 07, 2012 05:16 PM (RLZvP)

372 this ad is teh Awesome...

it's simple, effective and everyone who is a only a couple of paychecks away from homelessness can relate. except for the truly wealthy that's damn near everyone these days.


Posted by: redc1c4 at October 07, 2012 05:32 PM (8MasJ)

373 This ad got me even though I wasn't paying attention when I first saw it--had it on as background, pretty much, and took about halfway through for me to suddenly pay attention for the 'oh shit' feeling.  Very strong reaction, too.  Never had that happen with a political ad before.

Posted by: Chap at October 07, 2012 05:39 PM (0q+4n)

374 No offense, Ace, but that ad made me say "Oh, shit." BIG impact. Not sure why you don't think it is good.

Posted by: Danno at October 07, 2012 06:14 PM (oiMfP)

375 1. The man needs to shave. Razors are cheap, and rainwater is available. 2. The woman needs to wash the clown makeup off her face. Rainwater is available, and she's scaring the children. 3. They're eating. They're dry. The lights are on. What's the beef? 4. The children aren't being annoying. Are they aliens? 5. What are they eating?

Posted by: General Zod at October 07, 2012 06:55 PM (2+bRt)

376 I really liked it, though I think it might have been more powerful if the mother had asked, "More squirrel?"

Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at October 07, 2012 06:56 PM (a5dvu)

377 OMG, I just figured it out. The ad appeals to women, women. This is why the men aren't getting that sinking feeling and holding back the tears. It wasn't aimed at them.

Posted by: pray for peace at October 07, 2012 07:19 PM (oZfic)

378

Very moving.  I'm a father and have had those kind of moments when the weight of the world is on my shoulders and my loved ones are depending on me.

Yes it is emotional but it is a real emotion from the real world.  Ideas have consequences, especially bad ones.

Posted by: Whitehall at October 08, 2012 08:33 AM (FmPSC)

379 Much of this last month of the campaign the Romney side will focus on women and the gender gap. The male vote is in the bag if Obama keeps up his debate performance (or lack thereof).

Posted by: LorenU at October 08, 2012 08:49 AM (NqJX/)

380 I think this ad is racist.

Posted by: Chris Matthews at October 08, 2012 02:55 PM (M3QBc)

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