March 31, 2012

The First Thing Romney Should Do
— rdbrewer

After he wins. In January. He should talk at length about about how things will get worse for a short while before they get better. He needs to emphasize that all the belt-tightening that has to be done because of the Obama administration will necessarily hurt for a while, but that in the long run, the country will be better for it.

He needs to rely heavily upon precedent. It took Ronald Reagan a little over two years to turn things around. Things got worse before they got better. He needs to make this a theme and keep driving the message home. That way, people will know what to expect, and the losses in 2014 might be minimized somewhat.

He needs to glue himself to Reagan. Every time someone mentions Romney and the economy, people need to think of what Reagan did.

If he is going to replicate something similar to the Regan Economic Miracle, things will be tough for a while. People need to keep that in mind.

Any other ideas? If not, open thread.

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Posted by: rdbrewer at 11:17 AM | Comments (452)
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1 "If you want free stuff, vote for the other guy."

Posted by: fluffy at March 31, 2012 11:19 AM (z9HTb)

2 Immediately stop accepting new grant applications for Ed, Energy, Commerce, HUD, etc. Let existing ones pay out, then end them. I would prefer the Ron Paul method of the meat ax, but this will go over better.

Posted by: PJ at March 31, 2012 11:21 AM (DQHjw)

3 I'm guessing he's going to be a one termer. The credit crisis will take the rest of the decade to play out. 3 back to back one termers sounds about right.

Posted by: Max Power at March 31, 2012 11:22 AM (q177U)

4 >>After he wins.

I don't share your optimism. I'm not saying I don't want him to win. I just think the system is so broken that the dead voters are going to show up in spades, so to say.

Posted by: sTevo at March 31, 2012 11:23 AM (VMcEw)

5 Oh, and the cool thing is that the debt bomb is set to blow right after the president with the most deficit spending ever took office, nice!

Posted by: Max Power at March 31, 2012 11:23 AM (q177U)

6 Handcuff Holder in a DEA jacket and kick him out the Van In Tijuana, Mexico.

Posted by: Big Swede at March 31, 2012 11:24 AM (w+1Ar)

7 And, I denounce myself.

Posted by: sTevo at March 31, 2012 11:24 AM (VMcEw)

8 Problem is that that's just what Obama did--blame everything on Bush. I think he needs to think like Steve Martin from My Blue Heaven, "Change happens from the outside in." Talk confident, say things will get better now that Obama is gone, and maybe things will follow. Then cut government when no one is looking.

Posted by: Paul at March 31, 2012 11:24 AM (4TdXL)

9 I'm thinking full bore on the social issues, legalizing gay marriage and polygamy, and mandatory drug use for teens.

Posted by: nickless at March 31, 2012 11:24 AM (MMC8r)

10 I don't think Romney's people realize how many people aren't going to vote for him, period. I've voted for red team in every election as the best of the worst choices. But neither myself, not my wife (same kind of voter, BTW) will be voting for Romney. I've heard every positive argument: think of the SCOTUS! think of the bad Obama can do! think of Teh Children! I have, but I'm sick and tired of voting for assholes out of fear of the other guy. That the other guy sucks is not a positive message in your favor. Romney should be present because he wants to be is the only accurate reason I can come up with. How is it that after 2010 we're nominating _Romney_. Are you f*cking kidding me? Point: if Romney wins, it won't be because of people like me, my wife, or people who think like I do.

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 11:24 AM (gxGND)

11 Plus the rioting and probably some kind of pandemic, the race wars, etc. Nuclear war with Iran....

Posted by: Max Power at March 31, 2012 11:25 AM (q177U)

12 Bite the bullet and pass/repeal as much as he can in the first 100 days.  Tell the congress-critters to take their lumps now so hopefully the turnaround will be evident by the time 2014 rolls around (any delay in 'scary-for-them' votes means that vote is closer to reelection).  If the Dems want to filibuster, make them verbally filibuster, old school.

If he can't win the first fight with the Congressional Dems, it's all over.  Grow a spine and get some fire in the belly!

Posted by: Tonic Dog at March 31, 2012 11:25 AM (X/+QT)

13 If Romney wins, I'll follow rd on Twitter. I promise.

Posted by: Soothsayer at March 31, 2012 11:25 AM (jUytm)

14 First thing he would need to do is deal with energy. Immediatly start working on oil drilling and Nuc. Power plants. Hell, just the news of that would drive down gas prices.

Posted by: HH at March 31, 2012 11:26 AM (KB0hv)

15 Yeah, Max Power, what we're getting now is the government equivalent of the poison pill.  It's "poison pill economics," meant to ensure a rebound for Democrats.

But that won't happen if Romney has Reganballs.  And I'm starting to think he might. 

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 11:26 AM (Iyg03)

16

"After he wins. ..."

 

Oh man. Don't jinx it like that. .....Counting chickens before they hatch is bad luck.

Posted by: wheatie at March 31, 2012 11:27 AM (dEMjC)

17 There is no hope of a turnaround in the near future, only the hope for a managed collapse.  The math will not be denied.  When interest rates on sovereign debt return to their historical 4-5% range, we will be crushed. The Democrats have grown the debt that much.  We will implicitly repudiate with hyper inflation, or explicitly repudiate debts to foreigners or something similar because almost our entire tax take would have to go to debt service.

We are so boned.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 11:27 AM (GTbGH)

18
Romney loses to the zombie vote.

Posted by: sTevo at March 31, 2012 11:28 AM (VMcEw)

19 Cut a short film, and present it the evening before he is sworn in.

The film starts at the entrance to the White House. There is no sound track, and there are no people in view. The camera travels into the WH and through the hallways. The furniture will be scattered here and there, carpets torn up, paper everywhere, cabinets open with files spilling out.

Every hallway and room will be a fucking mess.

The camera travels deeper into the WH, into the Oval office. It will look like thieves visited the place.

"The Left tried to destroy this house, this Republic, this country. We have some work to do."

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at March 31, 2012 11:28 AM (JEpGb)

20 3 I'm guessing he's going to be a one termer. The credit crisis will take the rest of the decade to play out. 3 back to back one termers sounds about right. Posted by: Max Power at March 31, 2012 03:22 PM (q177U) I don't know. The resiliency of the free enterprise system and the pent-up interactions of so much business may pull us out after going through the adjustment rdbrewski is talking about here. It depends upon how bold Romney is. If he tries to take the knife Obama put into the American body politic out slowly, it will hurt for all the time he is doing it. If he goes quickly we can get back to normal more quickly.

Posted by: Minuteman at March 31, 2012 11:28 AM (qs9G3)

21 Except things did not need to be so bad in 1981-1982.  Volcker gets all this credit for squashing inflation with high interest rates but economic growth itself is deflationary as it creates demand for money which absorbs excess liquidity.  Had Reagan pursued his pro-growth fiscal policy agenda while Volcker sat on his hands the bull market and economic boom would have started immediately.  Instead, Reagan's pro-growth initiatives ran into a headwind created by Volcker's anti-growth interest rate policies and we had a tough economic period as a result.

Don't believe the bull shit narratives of how wonderful Volcker was at combatting inflation.  All he did was combat the pro-growth policies of Reagan which themselves were disinflationary.  It is amazing how poor our collective economic understanding actually is.

Posted by: scofflaw at March 31, 2012 11:28 AM (lEVKY)

22 I think Obama will  lose handily.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 11:29 AM (Iyg03)

23 Jesus, That Guy, the obamacare vote rests on ONE justice and you want to sit out the election? Yeah, yeah, Romneycare, I get it. Guess what, Romney not sitting on the fucking supreme court.

Posted by: Max Power at March 31, 2012 11:29 AM (q177U)

24 People are ticked off.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 11:29 AM (Iyg03)

25

He needs to glue himself to Reagan.

 

**Squirt**

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at March 31, 2012 11:29 AM (zn0Us)

26 FU, That Guy. Go have your tantrum elsewhere...perhaps Venezuela since that kind of tyrannical oligarchy appeals more to you. Me? I'll take the babysteps (Romney) if that's all I've got to help build a better country and future for my children. Oh and F*** your wife too.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 31, 2012 11:29 AM (I49Jm)

27 Don't ever expect anything bold out of Willard.  He will spend 4 years reacting to the left like a typical squish RINO.

Posted by: Valiant at March 31, 2012 11:30 AM (aFxlY)

28 Imagine that. In our lifetime we are witnessing the end of a great republic. We are at a point where Mitt Romney is our last best hope to save the republic from the Communists.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 11:30 AM (jUytm)

29 And by "things will be tough for a while", we mean, people will not be able to use their EBT card at strip clubs. Oh, the humanity!

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 31, 2012 11:30 AM (Npzzl)

30 Who could've imagined we'd be fighting Communists in 2012... from within.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 11:31 AM (jUytm)

31 "The Left tried to destroy this house, this Republic, this country. We have some work to do." Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 31, 2012 03:28 PM

And after the actor playing Romney says that, you hear the "drums-o-war" you always hear in those old NFL reels about championship games.

Followed by an urgent-sounding string section.

ratatat-tat-tat-ratatat...

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 11:32 AM (Iyg03)

32 In our lifetime we are witnessing the end of a great republic.

Or the restoration of one.  The nation can go on, the existing government, maybe not.  A lot depends on whether the New Dollar has a picture of Reagan, or Barry on it.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 11:32 AM (GTbGH)

33 enlist Zombie George S. Patton as a motivating force for Overall Good

stop the 'nice guy' schtick and start kicking ass ( and taking names, etc )


Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 31, 2012 11:33 AM (Dll6b)

34 Immediately stop accepting new grant applications for Ed, Energy, Commerce, HUD, etc. Let existing ones pay out, then end them. I would prefer the Ron Paul method of the meat ax, but this will go over better.

Posted by: PJ at March 31, 2012 03:21 PM (DQHjw)

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He should immediately kill every new regulation that has been put in place since Ovomit was elected. He can do that using executive fiat since that was what put them in place.


In parallel he should call for congress to pass bills of repeal for every new law that was passed while Democrats controlled everything and do it using the nuclear option.

Posted by: Vic at March 31, 2012 11:33 AM (YdQQY)

35 I will vote for a RINO just so a democrat president won't be in a position to get someone else on the supreme court. We can get Romney in, then we, Rush, Hannity, etc. can push him hard to lean right.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 31, 2012 11:33 AM (Npzzl)

36 Don't believe the bull shit narratives of how wonderful Volcker was at combatting inflation.

Volcker had to put a squeeze on the money supply.  Things wre getting ridiculous.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 11:33 AM (Iyg03)

37 People like "That Guy" are really only posting here to try and demoralize us.  It's all part of the "reelect Obama by depressing conservative turnout" Axel-turfing game.

So you know what, That Guy?  Yes: if/when Romney wins, it won't be due to people like you.  Congrats.

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at March 31, 2012 11:34 AM (hIWe1)

38 "Who could've imagined we'd be fighting Communists in 2012... from within."


Communists.

Posted by: davidt at March 31, 2012 11:34 AM (axc/z)

39 this is like Rome, circa 190 A.D.  The decline is there, but can be slowed ( with many good years left )

but if you let Caligula run things, the Decline accelerates towards Event Horizon

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 31, 2012 11:34 AM (Dll6b)

40 Seems like we're several steps ahead of ourselves here.

Posted by: Andy at March 31, 2012 11:35 AM (h7SPL)

41 No more corn hats, I guess.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 11:35 AM (Iyg03)

42

"After he wins. In January. "

Mitt, call me.

 

 

Posted by: James Baker at March 31, 2012 11:36 AM (QjSgY)

43 What Volker did worked out perfectly because what followed his induced recession was sustained robust growth. For example, at President Reagan's point in Obama's term, (1st qtr 1984), GDP was 7.4%! That's what experts call a "red hot" economy.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 11:36 AM (jUytm)

44 Can we put the Cornbrero on the Slow Newsday Gorn?

Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2012 11:37 AM (zn0Us)

45 The only real answer to our situation is to stop borrowing altogether.  How likely is that?

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 11:37 AM (GTbGH)

46 Romney should pick out some awesome new drapes for the oval office and bring them on the campaign trail. "Check out these drapes, motherfuckers! SOLID GOLD, BITCHES! Ron Paul approved!"

Posted by: Max Power at March 31, 2012 11:37 AM (q177U)

47 Seems like we're several steps ahead of ourselves here. Posted by: Andy Andy, it sounds like you have a bad feeling about this.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 11:38 AM (jUytm)

48 In 1982, we lived in our car
Obama has returned thousands of families to theirs

Posted by: Beto at March 31, 2012 11:38 AM (lpWVn)

49 Can we put the Cornbrero on the Slow Newsday Gorn?

I don't see why not!

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 11:38 AM (Iyg03)

50 Andy, do you think we'll be lucky to make it out alive?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 11:38 AM (jUytm)

51 If Romney can, ie. has a big enough margin in Congress, he needs to: Kill Obamacare if it's not already dead. Deregulate/open every bit of federal land to oil, gas, coal, nuclear power. Great jobs and low energy prices mean a faster growing economy. Cut gov't spending to the bone preferably by returning power to the states via the 10th amendment. So goodbye Dept of energy, education, Hopefully epa. If not, then strip the power to regulate CO2 from EPA or any gov't agency. Strongly enforce illegal alien laws to give the poor a shot at entry level jobs. Use Newt's ideas about using modern technology to prevent fraud in welfare payments. Sit back and enjoy the benefits of a fast recovery from the Obama doldrums.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 31, 2012 11:39 AM (I49Jm)

52
I have, but I'm sick and tired of voting for assholes out of fear of the other guy. That the other guy sucks is not a positive message in your favor.

^^^

Speaking of assholes.....

Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 31, 2012 11:40 AM (vdT53)

53 I'd argue the opposite: people pushing Romney are the people trying (and succeeding) at demoralizing the right. Man, if this is how quickly Red team turns on it's own, well, you won't be missed.

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 11:40 AM (gxGND)

54 1. Repeal Obamacare if it is not already struck down.
2. Push the Ryan budget or a stepped-up version of it thru Congress.
3. Lower the corporate tax rates.
4. Gut the EPA.

Posted by: mama winger at March 31, 2012 11:40 AM (P6QsQ)

55

"How likely is that?"

I dunno, maybe like cutting .gov spending?

 

 

Posted by: HH at March 31, 2012 11:40 AM (KB0hv)

56 note to ThatGuy: Romney will have a hard time being G HW Bush two if the tea party has enough people in Congress. I can't see Romney vetoing legislation because it doesn't spend enough or cuts back on the EPA.
A few more years of Obama and the Dems and it will very likely be the United States of a Mere Shadow of Itself.

Posted by: mallfly at March 31, 2012 11:40 AM (bJm7W)

57 Nobody makes it out alive.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 11:40 AM (GTbGH)

58 toby: we'll stop borrowing when they stop loaning.

Posted by: Max Power at March 31, 2012 11:40 AM (q177U)

59 Andy, do you think we'll be lucky to make it out alive? Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 03:38 PM (jUytm) Making it out alive is overrated. Much more important to do the right thing

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 31, 2012 11:40 AM (eCnLg)

60 27 Don't ever expect anything bold out of Willard. He will spend 4 years reacting to the left like a typical squish RINO.

Yeah, because nothing succeeds in the calm, placid world of venture capital and turnaround artistry like avoiding bold moves and going with the flow.  You are a man of rare genius.

Posted by: pep at March 31, 2012 11:40 AM (6TB1Z)

61 What I know is that things will get unbelievably worse with a second term lame duck Obama!


What I don't know is how any Republican president will actually govern, or how world events will shape the next few years.

What I think I know is that any Republican candidate out there now (including Mittens) will do a much better job of meeting the challenges and attempting to preserve the country than Obama would.


Case closed.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 31, 2012 11:41 AM (i3+c5)

62 Totally OT, but anything this asinine needs to be shared.

See if you can count the ways in which this story is fucking ridiculous.

http://fcnews.tv/HCIKaI

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse, formerly known as 'As If' at March 31, 2012 11:41 AM (piMMO)

63 He could read up on what EBT is before whining about it.

Posted by: Gerry at March 31, 2012 11:41 AM (pvKIA)

64 I'd like to see some federal workers laid off for a change.  Pay cuts.  Benefit cuts--even on existing benefit packages.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 11:42 AM (Iyg03)

65 we'll stop borrowing when they stop loaning.

Werd.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 11:42 AM (GTbGH)

66 Get back under the stairs, Gerry.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 11:42 AM (jUytm)

67 @58 That's in the Bible.

Posted by: Beto at March 31, 2012 11:42 AM (lpWVn)

68 He should say that both RomneyCare and ObamaCare are WRONG.

Posted by: Pecos, at March 31, 2012 11:42 AM (2Gb0y)

69 What I think I know is that any Republican candidate out there now (including Mittens) will do a much better job of meeting the challenges and attempting to preserve the country than Obama would.

*****

Anyone who, in the least, likes this country will be an improvement over Teh Won.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse, formerly known as 'As If' at March 31, 2012 11:42 AM (piMMO)

70

"I'd argue the opposite: people pushing Romney are the people trying (and succeeding) at demoralizing the right."

 

OK, you have the floor. What is your alternative? 

Posted by: HH at March 31, 2012 11:43 AM (KB0hv)

71

What cannot continue, won't.

Go long beer, beans and brass.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 11:43 AM (GTbGH)

72 This is a silly, pre-mature thread, but it does underline the need to flip the Senate BIG.

Posted by: @ParisParamus at March 31, 2012 11:43 AM (KunEa)

73 First thing President Romney should do: Eliminate the racist and gay sub-departments in the Department of Justice.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 11:43 AM (jUytm)

74 President Romney will do what the GOP party bosses tell him to do.

What will the GOP party bosses believe is in their own best interests?

Posted by: davidt at March 31, 2012 11:43 AM (axc/z)

75 Well the house is jumping here. Younger daughter and liberal boyfriend is over and older daughter and her friends from gatiated school are studying. Wife is cooking for all of them, while I striped the chicken, get drunk, and get ready to burn them on the grill

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 31, 2012 11:43 AM (eCnLg)

76 Stop loaning????   On Fox Business they say 90% of our current t-bill sales were now going to the fed. IOW, we are borrowing money from ourselves.  It is known as "monetizing the debt" or simply printing money.

Posted by: Vic at March 31, 2012 11:43 AM (YdQQY)

77 22 I think Obama will lose handily. Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 03:29 PM (Iyg03) Me too.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 31, 2012 11:44 AM (DGIjM)

78 LOL

Posted by: Max Power at March 31, 2012 11:44 AM (q177U)

79 He should say that both RomneyCare and ObamaCare are WRONG. Posted by: Pecos, at March 31, 2012 03:42 PM (2Gb0y) Yes but only one is about to be ruled unconstitutional

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 31, 2012 11:44 AM (eCnLg)

80 Romney needs to forget about being the next Bush.  The Bushes caused a lot of the problems we're dealing with today.

Because they wanted to be known as nice guys who knew better than Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 11:44 AM (Iyg03)

81 I'm expecting some modest reforms on entitlements and some very modest reductions in spending coupled with a VAT, tinkering on the tax code which effectively raises the overall tax burden on most, and several other maddening compromises.

So, I'm looking for a person whose entire professional career has been to turn around enterprises that have gotten fat and lazy, been living on their seed corn, and need drastic pruning and a refocus on the things it does, or can do well.  Where could I find someone like that?  I give up.  It's a mystery. 

Posted by: pep at March 31, 2012 11:45 AM (6TB1Z)

82 > What I know is that things will get unbelievably worse with a second term lame duck Obama! I totally disagree. We need to bring Government to a standstill in Washington, starve the beast. Republic congress + Democrat presidency (or vice versa) has produces the best results since 1980. Congress is going Republican, so having Obama in the WH isn't the huge problem is was the last three years.

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 11:45 AM (gxGND)

83 Vic, King Math takes his time, but when he finally shows up it's going to be party time! Just hang on a little longer.

Posted by: Max Power at March 31, 2012 11:45 AM (q177U)

84 God I hate reality

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 11:45 AM (UtT5R)

85 @77 That's why gas isn't getting any cheaper.
Nothing will be again. ever

Posted by: Beto at March 31, 2012 11:45 AM (lpWVn)

86 I'm going to go through the motions and get all rah rah when Barry gets the boot but, we really are boned.  The numbers just can't be made to work. 

A best case scenario is two or three Japanese style lost decades.  A worst case is a few million dead.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 11:46 AM (GTbGH)

87 22 I think Obama will lose handily.
Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 03:29 PM (Iyg03)

Me too.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 31, 2012 03:44 PM (DGIjM)

^^^^^^

So people haven't seen the polling on women and Obama?

tiny.cc/xuv1bw

Thanks a lot l adies

Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 31, 2012 11:46 AM (vdT53)

88 77, Vic, I was going to say the same thing.

Posted by: mallfly at March 31, 2012 11:46 AM (bJm7W)

89 Second order of business; SNAP card redesign to honor his predecessor, featuring a reworking of his Soviet-style poster with a jaunty finger snapping pose.

Posted by: tad blatherton at March 31, 2012 11:46 AM (HueOF)

90 >>while I striped the chicken, get drunk, and get ready to burn them on the grill

Boil them for 20 minutes first, that's how to prevent the grease fire.

Posted by: sTevo at March 31, 2012 11:47 AM (VMcEw)

91 27Don't ever expect anything bold out of Willard. He will spend 4 years reacting to the left like a typical squish RINO.
Sadly, I have no choice but to agree wholeheartedly.  Things will get worse for Willard because the media will do everything it can to make sure it does -- not to mention the guy has a spine made of jello.

Posted by: ShitGetsReal at March 31, 2012 11:47 AM (gKz+d)

92

emit gnol...luap nor sevol yug taht

Posted by: 66chevelle at March 31, 2012 11:47 AM (QjSgY)

93 FTRSD (first thing Romney should do) is: Get that Winston Churchill bust back from the Limeys.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 11:48 AM (jUytm)

94 while I striped the chicken

I'm so not googling that.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 11:48 AM (GTbGH)

95 That Guy is a rare flower of insight. Step One: re-elect the biggest deficit spending president ever. Step Two: ???? Step Three: the best results since 1980!

Posted by: Max Power at March 31, 2012 11:48 AM (q177U)

96 I totally disagree. We need to bring Government to a standstill in Washington, starve the beast.

^^^

Yes! Because nothing says 'starve the beast of the bloated Gubmint' like electing Obama for another four years because you as conservative warrior didn't like your GOP choice in 2012.

No, wait....

Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 31, 2012 11:48 AM (vdT53)

97 Mr. Romney is mean! He tied a dog to his car roof! Daddy would never do that - or anything that requires effort.

Posted by: Malia in Vegas at March 31, 2012 11:48 AM (DATOZ)

98 FTRSD is drill the shit out of ANWR.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 11:48 AM (jUytm)

99 There is still the convention, while we breathe - we need to hope. Romney's record of political compromise tells me that he and the small group of liberal Republican Senators will have ample ground to continue screwing us, while reminding us how they saved us from disaster by appointing a couple of Souter's to the SCOTUS.

Posted by: Jean at March 31, 2012 11:48 AM (5HAgy)

100 Do I think President Romney would be the answer to all my prays? I doubt it, but ya never know. Sometimes you are surprised by people and events. All I know is one thing: that on Jan something 2013 I hope to wake up to a President Romney and some guy named obama back in his hole in chicago and well that is the best present I could ever get

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 31, 2012 11:48 AM (eCnLg)

101 @HH Focus on Congress, win big there again. Then work on nominating an actual consevervative, not a blue-state John Kerry clone for 2016. We _can_ survive Obama (or Romney, if it comes to it) *iff* we take the Senate and make further gains in the house. Romney is the exact opposite of what we were going for in 2010. To go back to that so quickly is a terrible idea, and rejecting Romney will help clean out the problem in our own camp - the people that put us in this mess in the first place.

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 11:48 AM (gxGND)

102 People I've had it with --

1. Women
2. Conservative turds that think Romney is worse than Obama

GROW.THE.FUCK.UP.ASSWIPES.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 31, 2012 11:49 AM (vdT53)

103 "Obama for another four years because you as conservative warrior didn't like your GOP choice in 2012. " Sarah nut job Palin?

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 11:49 AM (UtT5R)

104 Get that Winston Churchill bust back from the Limeys.
Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 03:48 PM
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Amen, and make a point of it.

Posted by: Contemplative Lobster at March 31, 2012 11:50 AM (+rBDt)

105 a couple of Souter's

A couple of Souter's what?

Posted by: pep at March 31, 2012 11:50 AM (6TB1Z)

106 We actually could get out of debt if the Federal Government sold off some of its land holdings, which might be politically possible.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 11:50 AM (GTbGH)

107 After 5-6 years of bad and the average Joe thinking there is no where to go but up, telling them it's going to get worse before it will get better is not going to sell. Obama and Slow Joe will be out there promising rainbows and butterflies again, how they have almost purged all the bad Bush did and All Economists We Speak To Agree that we have turned the corner. And the media will sell it every new morning.

Posted by: MostlyRight at March 31, 2012 11:50 AM (ZG8Ti)

108 83, Obama won't let  himself be reined in. Recess appointments, vetoing anything and everything, making under the table deal with foreign governments... he'll do it all cause he's the BAM!

Posted by: mallfly at March 31, 2012 11:50 AM (bJm7W)

109 104 People I've had it with -- 1. Women 2. Conservative turds that think Romney is worse than Obama GROW.THE.FUCK.UP.ASSWIPES. Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 31, 2012 03:49 PM (vdT53) I like the cut of your jib! I am with ya.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 31, 2012 11:50 AM (DGIjM)

110 GROW.THE.FUCK.UP.ASSWIPES. ...would make a great name for a band.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 11:50 AM (jUytm)

111 > That Guy is a rare flower of insight. Step One: re-elect the biggest deficit spending president ever. What planet are you on? Obama's "budget" gets rejected by Congress every year, and Congress sets the budgets. All we need to get fiscal restraint is to control Congress.

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 11:51 AM (gxGND)

112 The first thing Romney should do is follow rdbrewer on twitter.

Posted by: Max Power at March 31, 2012 11:51 AM (q177U)

113 Get that Winston Churchill bust back from the Limeys. Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 03:48 PM --------------- Amen, and make a point of it. Posted by: Contemplative Lobster at March 31, 2012 03:50 PM (+rBDt) Bring it over with a Honor Guard. He is an Honorary American Citizen after all

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 31, 2012 11:51 AM (eCnLg)

114 Fumigating the place would be a good start.

Posted by: mugiwara at March 31, 2012 11:51 AM (KI/Ch)

115 65 I'd like to see some federal workers laid off for a change. Pay cuts. Benefit cuts--even on existing benefit packages.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 03:42 PM (Iyg03)


---------------------------


YES, 1000 times YES.  THIS^^^^^  and much more needs to happen.  I say a 50% cut across the board on almost everything.........yes, even the military.  Also, some federal departments need to be cut completely.......EPA, IRS, ED & etc.


My kids are in their early twenties - drastic cuts in federal spending along with tax cuts are the only way they will have any chance of a decent life.  The plan put forward recently by Paul Ryan is not near radical enough. 

Posted by: Not an Artist at March 31, 2012 11:52 AM (Lo/3Q)

116 >>>Yeah, because nothing succeeds in the calm, placid world of Professional Bodybuilding and Hollywood like avoiding bold moves and going with the flow. You are a man of rare genius.

One of these worlds (corporate finance, turning around business) has a lot in common with the skills and experience needed to run a nation and repair an economy.  One of these worlds (movies and weightlifting) does not.

You are seeking the counsel of despair for reasons I do not understand.  There is time to turn away from that.  We have a good candidate.  We have a good chance.  He's actually QUALIFIED to do the job.  He's the hardest working guy on the planet, for fuck's sake. He's going to have a Republican Senate and Congress staffed with angry Tea Party types to apply pressure.

I'm feeling pretty good about what a President Romney can accomplish.  We just have to get him in there.

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at March 31, 2012 11:52 AM (hIWe1)

117 GD, reality is unreal.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 11:52 AM (UtT5R)

118 Fumigating the place would be a good start. Posted by: mugiwara at March 31, 2012 03:51 PM (KI/Ch) We might need the British to pay it another visit?

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 31, 2012 11:53 AM (eCnLg)

119 Seriously, if you're in a swing state and you're going to stay home or write in some Constitutional Party retard on election day,  go fuck yourself.

You're an enemy to the country we have in 2012.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 31, 2012 11:53 AM (vdT53)

120 Release Obama's long form and college transcripts.  Hahahaha!

/kidding...?

Posted by: Tonic Dog at March 31, 2012 11:53 AM (X/+QT)

121

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 03:48 PM (gxGND)

 

Big problem there. Obama doesn't like to play within the system if it goes against him. So there  is no telling what he would do if 4 more yrs were granted.

 

Do you REALLY want to deal with that?

Posted by: HH at March 31, 2012 11:53 AM (KB0hv)

122 For the record: I do _not_ think Romney is worse than Obama. I do think he's worse for Republicans though. W did huge damage with his "compassionate conservatism" crap. The *only* reason Obama can even think about spending like a drunken sailor is because W did it for him, first. It is _very_ bad for Red team to nominate (and worse, elect) guys like Romney. However, he's probably the nominee. So what do we do? Switch gears and focus on Congress, and tell the RNC to get busy grooming a conservative nominee for 2016.

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 11:53 AM (gxGND)

123 People I've had it with --

1. Women
2. Conservative turds that think Romney is worse than Obama

GROW.THE.FUCK.UP.ASSWIPES.Posted by: laceyunderalls

Except for the wimmen part, I'm right there wid ya!

People like THAT GUY need to be introduced to a bus at 50 mph.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at March 31, 2012 11:53 AM (JEpGb)

124 I'm in CA. My vote is irrelevant for POTUS.

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 11:54 AM (gxGND)

125 Man, if this is how quickly Red team turns on it's own, well, you won't be missed. Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 03:40 PM (gxGND) I dont consider you 'one of our own". One of our own would never sit back and let a communist win re election.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 31, 2012 11:54 AM (DGIjM)

126 We all only need pray to Him and all our problems will be gone.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 11:54 AM (UtT5R)

127 I'm in CA. My vote is irrelevant for POTUS. Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 03:54 PM (gxGND) I'd like to disagree with you but facts are facts

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 31, 2012 11:55 AM (eCnLg)

128 Gerry likes gladiator movies; likes them A LOT . 

( or, one can say that Gerry gives the appearance of liking gladiator movies )


Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 31, 2012 11:55 AM (Dll6b)

129 For the record: I do _not_ think Romney is worse than Obama. I do think he's worse for Republicans though.

IOW, party before country.  Good to see what your priorities are, Einstein. 

Posted by: pep at March 31, 2012 11:56 AM (6TB1Z)

130 >>>What planet are you on? Obama's "budget" gets rejected by Congress every year, and Congress sets the budgets.

All we need to get fiscal restraint is to control Congress.

You don't understand how civics works, do you?  If Congress fails to pass a budget (or if, in the scenario you propose, President Obama simply vetoes Congress's budget) all that happens is that spending will continue under the same baselines as the last-passed budget (complete with built in automatic increases in spending).  This is how we haven't had a government shutdown even though the Senate.  The spending will continue, wildly out of control.

The ONLY way to get fiscal restraint is a unified Republican Congress and Presidency.

Of course I know you know this.  But you're probably an Axelrod astroturfer sending out misinformation in an attempt to convince people who might be reading that it's somehow "okay" to vote for Obama or stay home or vote third party instead of getting Romney into office.  So you'll never admit you're wrong.

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at March 31, 2012 11:56 AM (hIWe1)

131 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at March 31, 2012 11:56 AM (7W3wI)

132 When obama is defeated in November are all the Liberals gonna threaten to leave the Country again?

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 31, 2012 11:56 AM (eCnLg)

133 100
FTRSD is drill the shit out of ANWR.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 03:48 PM (jUytm)

Tell me more....

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 31, 2012 11:56 AM (X/+QT)

134 First thing he should do is eliminate half the WH staff to make a point about reigning in spending.

Posted by: JonathanEllis at March 31, 2012 11:56 AM (BdzEV)

135 How about he speaks with some emergency, some urgency? Instead of bland statements that are about as exciting as an ugly woman in a whore house.

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 31, 2012 11:57 AM (JQ1k+)

136 My primary is Tuesday.  I am not voting for Romney.  I know he will be the nominee, and I will certainly vote for him in November.  But he will not get my vote on Tuesday.  I want to signal loud and clear to him, while he has a mind to paying attention, that he best not take the conservative base for granted.

Posted by: mama winger at March 31, 2012 11:57 AM (P6QsQ)

137
A balanced budget for last years receipts + a 25% Corp tax rate would be a start.

Posted by: sTevo at March 31, 2012 11:57 AM (VMcEw)

138 Hi Jeff. Haven't seen you in a while. Hope you're doing okay!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 31, 2012 11:57 AM (vdT53)

139 @139
Fair enough.

Posted by: pep at March 31, 2012 11:57 AM (6TB1Z)

140 While that hope thing of mine is focused on the convention, beyond that I have to hope Mitten's whole political career has been a charade and that he is really a Danite who will be hanging liberal along Independence Ave after midterms.

Posted by: Jean at March 31, 2012 11:58 AM (5HAgy)

141 But he will not get my vote on Tuesday. I want to signal loud and clear to him, while he has a mind to paying attention, that he best not take the conservative base for granted. Posted by: mama winger at March 31, 2012 03:57 PM (P6QsQ) Mama you do what is good for you and save your energy for the Baseball season, because G-D knows you Cub's fans are gonna need it

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 31, 2012 11:58 AM (eCnLg)

142 Elect Romney, then massively protest every bullshit decision and steer him to the right.

Posted by: Beto at March 31, 2012 11:58 AM (lpWVn)

143 138 How about he speaks with some emergency, some urgency? Instead of bland statements that are about as exciting as an ugly woman in a whore house.
Joe Biden

There's a lobster loose!  Grab some butter and save yourselves!

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 31, 2012 11:59 AM (6TB1Z)

144

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 31, 2012 03:56 PM (eCnLg)

 

Notice how they never actually do it.

 

sighs...

Posted by: HH at March 31, 2012 11:59 AM (KB0hv)

145 On the bright side, after the collapse, all the raykons of the country will go into the smokehouse, so we've got that going for us.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 11:59 AM (GTbGH)

146 But Jeff B. haven't you heard? Romney might tarnish that sterling reputation of the Republican office. Therefore we should strive to elect Obama!

Posted by: Max Power at March 31, 2012 11:59 AM (q177U)

147 >>>Elect Romney, then massively protest every bullshit decision and steer him to the right.

Right. If George W. Bush wasn't able to get Harriet Miers past conservative objections in an era where complacency was far greater, what makes people think Mitt Romney is just going to start laughing diabolically and forcing a GOP SENATE to confirm three or four Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to the bench?

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at March 31, 2012 12:00 PM (hIWe1)

148 Scott Walker as VP, then he can run as Prez in 2016

Posted by: Heidi at March 31, 2012 12:00 PM (IebVu)

149 We need a theocracy. God is telling me, elect Sarah or Sanitorioum and all will be well.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 12:01 PM (UtT5R)

150

For those who bash the Romney "toleraters", who wouldve been better: Carter or Arlan Specter?

Posted by: ShitGetsReal at March 31, 2012 12:01 PM (gKz+d)

151 Carter or Arlan Specter?

Ford, but not by much.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 12:02 PM (GTbGH)

152 Is this really how you guys go about getting votes? - tell my wife to "go fuck herself" - suggest I get run over by a bus - suggest I'm an idiot - suggest I'm a tribalist (party before country) - suggest I'm an enemy of the country and should move to Venezuela because I "like communists" I'm sorry, Romney is not going to save the United States. The best hope we have at the federal level is getting a better set of lawmakers in office. Obama happened because of W. Period. If W had not so weakened the right during 2000-2008, the country would not have been so weak. This stuff wouldn't have happened. And now some of you are suggesting we get a guy to the left of Bush! WTF! Stop it! If, through RNC machinations, he's the nominee (and it sure looks like), do what the Tea Party did in 2010 and fucking take over local, state, and yes, federal legislative positions. And fuck the RNC and they're near-Obama but white and on the Red team candidate. If you really want fiscal restraint, don't spend your time beating on guys like me (although it may make you feel better), focus on congress and get conservatives elected and let Romney die on the vine. He's not worth our time or attention.

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 12:02 PM (gxGND)

153 Mama you do what is good for you and save your energy for the Baseball season, because G-D knows you Cub's fans are gonna need it Posted by: nevergiveup at March 31, 2012 03:58 PM



Hey now.  THIS IS THE YEAR !!

Posted by: mama winger at March 31, 2012 12:03 PM (P6QsQ)

154 We need a theocrat in office. (is that a word?)

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 12:04 PM (UtT5R)

155 @139... my primary isnt until May.. which never matters except our local stuff. I am half tempted to vote for Perry... I just want to know what it feels like to vote for that guy. But if its close or I happen to live in a state that could end this primary.. I am voting Romney.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 31, 2012 12:04 PM (DGIjM)

156 We actually could get out of debt if the Federal Government sold off some of its land holdings, which might be politically possible.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 03:50 PM (GTbGH)

--------------------



Before we had the income tax that and high tariffs were the only large source of income for the feds. Government was "small" then too.


Perhaps we should repeal the 16th amendment.

Posted by: Vic at March 31, 2012 12:04 PM (YdQQY)

157 Shouldn't you be sucking the gas pipe, ray?

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 12:04 PM (GTbGH)

158 Is this really how you guys go about getting votes?

What vote? You've declared your retarded intention.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 31, 2012 12:04 PM (FeBwo)

159 You've declared your retarded intention.

Plus, he's in California.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 12:05 PM (GTbGH)

160 I love God, reality sucks.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 12:05 PM (UtT5R)

161 Oh and it would make me giddy to vote for Mike Pence for Governor, vote for the guy who will unseat Lugar and Perry in the same day. Thats a conservative wet dream for me.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 31, 2012 12:05 PM (DGIjM)

162 Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 04:02 PM (gxGND)

Fuck off, coward.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at March 31, 2012 12:05 PM (JEpGb)

163 Is this really how you guys go about getting votes?

No, this is how we tell you to go away.  I thought that was clear.


let Romney die on the vine. He's not worth our time or attention.

Your statement is true, with one modification.

Posted by: pep at March 31, 2012 12:06 PM (6TB1Z)

164 It is completely impossible to retrieve incurred debt at this point. The global economic model is dynamic in fashion and is being reformed through a new hegemony built around new alliances to wit bilateral Sino trade compacts scored through Russia, Japan, China and India in which the USD will not be used.

Posted by: Jornolist at March 31, 2012 12:06 PM (9WjNg)

165 We need quality astroturfers.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 12:06 PM (Iyg03)

166 Is this really how you guys go about getting votes?

^^^

No but it makes me feel better to tell you you're an imbecile.



I'm sorry, Romney is not going to save the United States. The best hope we have at the federal level is getting a better set of lawmakers in office.

^^^

You're telling us NOTHING NEW. I'd say 100% of the people here agree with this statement. But you acting like we have alternative choices this late in the game is delusional.

To me, people like you are children throwing a colossal temper tantrum and this is why I personally cannot take  you seriously.



Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 31, 2012 12:06 PM (vdT53)

167 That Guy, it saddens me to think there are otherwise rational, conservative-leaning people out there thinking they win some sort of moral victory by sitting on the sidelines this election. Even if you live in CA and "your vote doesn't matter," preaching that toxic message here doesn't help our cause. Do you seriously think the country can afford another Jugears appointee to SCOTUS? I would suggest you take a different approach: Let Mittens unseat Obama, then spend your energy post-election ensuring that Mittens stays solidly to the right, or work your hardest to ensure there's a solid conservative challenger to him in 2016.

Posted by: Swanny at March 31, 2012 12:06 PM (XzlBE)

168 I don't know how Ace puts up with you guys, but he manages it. Far more patience than me.

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 12:06 PM (gxGND)

169 Nobody here thinks Mitt Romney will save the nation. All we want is for Mitt to salvage the nation.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 12:07 PM (jUytm)

170 I don't know how Ace puts up with you guys

We're his base.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 12:07 PM (GTbGH)

171 Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 04:02 PM (gxGND) But you are an idiot.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 31, 2012 12:08 PM (DGIjM)

172 Carter vs Arlen, hell AuH2O

Posted by: Jean at March 31, 2012 12:08 PM (5HAgy)

173 The question is moot.

Posted by: mayan calendar at March 31, 2012 12:08 PM (GTbGH)

174 172 I don't know how Ace puts up with you guys, but he manages it. Far more patience than me.

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 04:06 PM (gxGND)

 

There's a big red X at the top of the window then.

Posted by: buzzion at March 31, 2012 12:08 PM (GULKT)

175 I don't know how Ace puts up with you guys, but he manages it.

Don't go away mad, just go away.

Posted by: pep at March 31, 2012 12:08 PM (6TB1Z)

176 I don't care for Mitt Romney.  But if he picks Paul Ryan for VP, I'll vote for him twice.

Posted by: mama winger at March 31, 2012 12:08 PM (P6QsQ)

177

180 I don't care for Mitt Romney. But if he picks Paul Ryan for VP, I'll vote for him twice.

 

You're only allowed to do that if you're voting for Obama

Posted by: buzzion at March 31, 2012 12:09 PM (GULKT)

178

"Any other ideas? If not, open thread."

I don't think that any of y'all have any idea how bad things are vis-a-vis our relationship with the typical "Obama Money / Amber Lamps" Obama voter.

1) If the JEF loses to Romney, then expect riots in November.

2) If Romney and a GOP House and a GOP Senate pass into law any real, substantive, immediate cuts to Obama voters' freebies, then expect more riots.

For any morons/moronettes who are too young to remember - google pictures of Los Angeles at night during the Rodney King Riots:

bit.ly/HuAcUW

Now imagine that times 1000 or even 10000.

What Romney needs to be doing is practicing his speech about how he's suspending the doctrine of "Posse Comitatus".

 

Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 31, 2012 12:09 PM (hUcgo)

179 I don't know how Ace puts up with you guys, but he manages it. Far more patience than me.

^^^

Show yourself out. No one here will give two shits.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 31, 2012 12:09 PM (vdT53)

180 I think toby is gay, but there is nothing wrong with that, is there?

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 12:09 PM (UtT5R)

181 How about the first thing Mittens does is resign so his conservative vice president can take over.

Posted by: Jean at March 31, 2012 12:09 PM (5HAgy)

182 Swanny, That Guy is not conservative-leaning.  He's just another progressive who thinks his bullshit is Totally Awesome.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 12:10 PM (Iyg03)

183

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 04:02 PM (gxGND)

 

I've never said you are an idiot. However, do you think that leaving Obama in office as opposed the Romney is a good idea?

Posted by: HH at March 31, 2012 12:10 PM (KB0hv)

184 172 I don't know how Ace puts up with you guys, but he manages it. Far more patience than me. Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 04:06 PM (gxGND) Dont let the door hit you on the ass as your leaving.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 31, 2012 12:10 PM (DGIjM)

185 Today's lesson: Dumbassery isn't just relegated to the 52%

Sobering reminder.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 31, 2012 12:11 PM (vdT53)

186 I'm an anal aperture. Posted by: Reality

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 12:11 PM (jUytm)

187 Romney is a flip flopper of biblical proportions.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 12:11 PM (UtT5R)

188
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=126906

Say it is so.

Posted by: sTevo at March 31, 2012 12:11 PM (VMcEw)

189 I think

You're likely to strain something trying that, hutt.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 12:11 PM (GTbGH)

190 > by sitting on the sidelines this election @Swanney I'm not, I'm trying to direct energy on the right to where I think it will best help our country, congress. Romeny is such a terrible candidate that he's going to (and, arguably, already is) require tons of energy from well-meaning people to try and push his sorry ass over the finish line. And as a result, that energy, that air time, is not spent on an area we can do a lot of good in: congress. That's what has *me* sad. It sucks we've got a crapy candidate in 2012. It really does. I don't know how our why this happens because really Obama does not deserve reelection. But whatever, I'm over it: focus on congress. If Romney gets elected, great. If Obama, not so great, but not worth it. But if we fail to make the kinds of gains we can make in Congress because we're trying to push Romney into the white house, and then he doesn't win! Man, that'll really, really suck.

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 12:11 PM (gxGND)

191 @168 It is completely impossible to retrieve incurred debt at this point. The global economic model is dynamic in fashion and is being reformed through a new hegemony built around new alliances to wit bilateral Sino trade compacts scored through Russia, Japan, China and India in which the USD will not be used.

This

Posted by: Beto at March 31, 2012 12:11 PM (lpWVn)

192 Inside money knows collapse and ain't betting in dollars.

Posted by: Jornolist at March 31, 2012 12:12 PM (9WjNg)

193 @rdbrewer Are you in Southern CA. Because I'd love to meet. Or really, any one the ace.mu.nu staff. Because people like me are completely being lost on the right, and you guys are so busy trying to pretend we're liberals or progressives or whatever that you don't even notice.

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 12:13 PM (gxGND)

194 I believe toby is gay, but that is not a sin, or is it?

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 12:13 PM (UtT5R)

195 re riots, you don't have to cut the benefits, just un-index them from the inflation Obama has baked into the cake. By the time they notice, they will be too weak to throw rocks.

Posted by: Jean at March 31, 2012 12:13 PM (5HAgy)

196 FTRSD is... stop the DoJ's stupid suit against Arizona.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 12:13 PM (jUytm)

197 Ray always reminds of that joke.  Better not, that dog would bite you.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 12:14 PM (GTbGH)

198 Beto - everyone needs to know the truth at this point.

Posted by: Jornolist at March 31, 2012 12:14 PM (9WjNg)

199 So this is your plan, That Guy:  Reelect Obama... and then enjoy the devastating victory we'll have in '16?

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 12:14 PM (Iyg03)

200 The current AHIC will fuck up anything he can find that isn't already in a clusterfuck. Count on it He won't be leaving quietly

Posted by: doom am I, full-ripe, dealing death to the worlds, engaged in devouring mankind. at March 31, 2012 12:14 PM (dxyNT)

201 Why does my father hate me? Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 04:13 PM (UtT5R)

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 12:14 PM (jUytm)

202 toby the tubby reminds me of the joke

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 12:15 PM (UtT5R)

203 > However, do you think that leaving Obama in office as opposed the Romney is a good idea? @HH I don't think it's worth getting Romney elected if it means we don't make the necessary gains in Congress. And given how weak a candidate he is, and how much time we're _already_ having to spend less than 9 months from the election trying to prop him up, I think a POTUS loss is likely and worse, we'll not make the gains in Congress that we should (and still can, that's why I decided to speak up today).

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 12:15 PM (gxGND)

204 But if we fail to make the kinds of gains we can make in Congress because we're trying to push Romney into the white house, and then he doesn't win! Man, that'll really, really suck. Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 04:11 PM



I see what you're saying.  I agree that we cannot lose focus on the House and Senate.  No matter who wins, that's where the conservative pressure will have to hold the line.   We'll simply have to do both.   We simply have to win.  If for no other reason than this:  The men and women in uniform can not afford to have Obama as Commander in Chief.  Period.

Posted by: mama winger at March 31, 2012 12:15 PM (P6QsQ)

205

That Guy:  We know what a shit sandwich Romney is.  We've spent the last year supporting ABR-- Anybody But Romney.

 

But we've almost unanimously come to the conclusion that the ABR ship has sailed.  And now it's ABO-- Anybody But Obama.

 

I think your cognitive dissonance with our attitudes have to do with the point at which you've entered the conversation rather than your or our bloody-mindedness.

 

We're on to stage 5 of grief is all.

Posted by: Truman North at March 31, 2012 12:16 PM (I2LwF)

206 Because people like me are completely being lost on the right

^^^

Horseshit. Go be a martyr  and play your tiny violin somewhere else.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 31, 2012 12:16 PM (vdT53)

207 The first thing Romney should do is restore Defense Funding, especially for the US Navy Dental Corps

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 31, 2012 12:16 PM (eCnLg)

208 God hates the haters

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 12:16 PM (UtT5R)

209 God hates the haters Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 04:16 PM (UtT5R) And who said G-D is our boss?

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 31, 2012 12:17 PM (eCnLg)

210 I'm trying to imagine a scenario where we pick up more seats in Congress by losing the Presidency than by winning it, and I'm just not seeing it.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 12:17 PM (GTbGH)

211 127 I'm in CA. My vote is irrelevant for POTUS. Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 03:54 PM (gxGND) And if Mittens wins by the slightest of margins, we'll need every vote to fight against the inevitable lawsuit, because you know damned well that the SCOAMF and his lawyers will be citing the popular vote totals.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 31, 2012 12:18 PM (GHAZl)

212 God hates the haters

You're not to popular with mammon either, ray.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 12:18 PM (GTbGH)

213

In modern America, you think selling personal responsibility is going to win vs free shit?

 

Pull the the other one. He should promise instant Utopia, and then blame the Dems when it takes a few years.

 

The proles like to be lied to.

Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at March 31, 2012 12:18 PM (NVu2l)

214 Because people like me are completely being lost on the right,

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 04:13 PM (gxGND)

 

Braindead jackasses?  Well of course you're going to be lost.  You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

Posted by: buzzion at March 31, 2012 12:18 PM (GULKT)

215 "And who said G-D is our boss?" The entire right wing group of fascists?

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 12:18 PM (UtT5R)

216 @rdbrewser This is a site for conservatives. If Romney wins, great! But we shouldn't spend extra effort to make that happen at the expense of Congress. That's all I'm saying. My point about my own personal take on Romney was to make it clear _how much effort_ it will take to get him across the finish line. I'm sensing an echo chamber effect on the right because we're stuck with him, and as a result, we're on the partisan thing for the next 9 months and are unwilling to admit that he's an extremely weak candidate in what should be a slam-dunk year. For the country, we should focus on Congress and vote for Romney at the polls in swing states, but mostly, focus on Congress.

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 12:19 PM (gxGND)

217 Beto, that's like one of those neighborhood farm barter systems. China is tied to the US, Japan and Russia's demographic implosions are irreverible at this point, and I think India will go insular- like Brazil (although, they have some interesting plays).

Posted by: Jean at March 31, 2012 12:19 PM (5HAgy)

218 The first thing Romney should do is restore Defense Funding, especially for the US Navy Dental Corps




You need new spit basins?

Posted by: mama winger at March 31, 2012 12:19 PM (P6QsQ)

219 @194 - It sounds like you're saying putting Romney into the White House must be a zero-sum game with getting a GOP majority into the House/Senate. Why can't we get all three? The only way we could conceivably survive a second term of the SCOAMF is with a super majority in the House & Senate to counter him and his veto power, which as great as that would be, is still shooting for the moon. We gotta get Barry the f**k out of there, period.

Posted by: Swanny at March 31, 2012 12:19 PM (XzlBE)

220 26 FU, That Guy. Go have your tantrum elsewhere...perhaps Venezuela since that kind of tyrannical oligarchy appeals more to you. Me? I'll take the babysteps (Romney) if that's all I've got to help build a better country and future for my children. Oh and F*** your wife too. " Hahaha beautiful

Posted by: Mr Pink at March 31, 2012 12:19 PM (XbUNL)

221 @toby928 That's the best reason I've heard to publicly prop up Romney. I'll think about it.

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 12:20 PM (gxGND)

222

"re riots, you don't have to cut the benefits, just un-index them from the inflation Obama has baked into the cake. By the time they notice, they will be too weak to throw rocks."

 

We can't possibly make good on even a tiny fraction of the promises made to minorities and the elderly [in terms of gubmint freebies] by USA politicians over the course of the last 50 years.

 

We'd need Robert Mugabe at the Fed to pull that off.

 

Which gets you back to Rodney King times ten thousand.

 

 

Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 31, 2012 12:20 PM (hUcgo)

223 194 And as a result, that energy, that air time, is not spent on an area we can do a lot of good in: congress. That's what has *me* sad. It sucks we've got a crapy candidate in 2012. It really does. I don't know how our why this happens because really Obama does not deserve reelection. > Winning control of the Senate doesn't matter when you have a president who won't obey the law. The only reason he hasn't become even more extreme is because he needs to win reelection first, and you know it.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at March 31, 2012 12:21 PM (d6QMz)

224 So, That Guy?  Is that your plan?  (See #203.)  Because either you're dumb Republican or a progressive who's too clever by half.  Either way, I it doesn't look good.

Tell me something: Who are some of the conservatives you follow on Twitter?

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 12:21 PM (Iyg03)

225 In a perfect world, Romney should:
1. Keep defense spending at 3.5-4% GDP, suspend the current drawdown
    a. Kill the Navy's LCS ship, it's crapola, a better ship can be built
    b. Reinvigorate Navy Shipbuilding, with a fleet of 320-340 ships
    c. Army no smaller than 520K, USMC no smaller than 190K
    d. Reopen F-22A aircraft line
2. Gut and filet Commerce, Labor, HUD, DHS, DOE, Ed
3. JDAM EPA
4. Indict Holder, frog-march his butt to Federal Court
5. Tell Putey Put and Russia, START Treaty is null and void, SUCK IT

Posted by: Jim Scrummy at March 31, 2012 12:23 PM (EEibL)

226 I wonder how much we could get for Nevada (84.5% Federally owned), or Alaska, 69.1%.  Or even Oregon @  53.1%.  http://is.gd/93fsgn

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 12:23 PM (GTbGH)

227 But we shouldn't spend extra effort to make that happen at the expense of Congress. That's all I'm saying.

That's an entirely different sentiment from your original suckybaby post.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 31, 2012 12:23 PM (FeBwo)

228 >>>@rdbrewser This is a site for conservatives. If Romney wins, great! But we shouldn't spend extra effort to make that happen at the expense of Congress. That's all I'm saying.

Hey thanks for clarifying who this site is for and what the purpose of it is. 

Maybe you noticed that Ace endorsed Romney several weeks ago.  Care to explain to him that he doesn't understand the purpose of his own site?

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at March 31, 2012 12:23 PM (hIWe1)

229

"Blue Hen" bats for the other team?

 

[The, ah, "softball" team?]

 

Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 31, 2012 12:23 PM (hUcgo)

230 Ladies, I can bench 400. I am strong, I can protect you. Plus I make 5 times as much as the tubester. LOL

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 12:23 PM (UtT5R)

231 mittens 2012:at least he's not a communist!

Posted by: newrouter at March 31, 2012 12:23 PM (xD4bD)

232 Deep cuts in the DOJ, Dept of Ag, Dept of Ed.  Then you can start cutting out stuff for the rest of us.

Posted by: ryukyu at March 31, 2012 12:24 PM (MOHSR)

233

"For the country, we should focus on Congress and vote for Romney at the polls in swing states, but mostly, focus on Congress."

 

So we can't do both? Not sure I'm following you here, unless you are stating that a Romney presidency would be a non-start from the get go and just run downhill from there, and then we never get going.

 

Is that what you are getting at?

Posted by: HH at March 31, 2012 12:24 PM (KB0hv)

234 If Romney wins, great! But we shouldn't spend extra effort to make that happen at the expense of Congress. That's all I'm saying.

Hasn't the general consensus been to coalesce around Romney in order to preserve the House and get the Senate/

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 12:24 PM (Iyg03)

235 To be entirely honest here - Reagan was able to stimulate through the incursion of an expanding debt based balance sheet; it could be done then because we were not at a critical X Y economic intersection as we are now with currency debasement, zero net fed fund rates, 46M on food stamps, U6 unemployment at 20 percent and recent debt expansion achieved in 2 years by doubling 200 years of national debt. Folks, a template does not exist to fix this. We are in completely uncharted territory here. Understand this.

Posted by: Jornolist at March 31, 2012 12:25 PM (9WjNg)

236 But whatever, I'm over it: focus on congress. If Romney gets elected, great. If Obama, not so great, but not worth it. But if we fail to make the kinds of gains we can make in Congress because we're trying to push Romney into the white house, and then he doesn't win! Man, that'll really, really suck.

And Bush was fighting the wrong war, and as soon as he's not in power, boy are those guys in A'Stan gonna get it. You're very concerned. 

Posted by: pep at March 31, 2012 12:25 PM (6TB1Z)

237 > The only reason he hasn't become even more extreme is because he needs to win reelection first, and you know it. @Miss80sBaby So, I live in southern CA, but I grew up in Washington State as a Souther Baptist. As a result, I know tons of liberals who've never even been to the mid-west (I was married in Stillwater, Oklahoma). What I've learned is that the way they see conservatives is completely ridiculous. They think Santorum (who's an ass) will turn the US into a theocracy. That's about the same as thinking Obama will become some lawless dickhead with a strong, red Congress. Won't happen. Obama is lazy. All he gives a shit about is his "legacy". Fuck, the guy wrote two autobiographies _before_ he became president. Sure, it'll be annoying. It was annoying having Clinton, too. But somehow, we made it work in 92-00 and we can make it work again in 2012-2016, and then elect a strong conservative in 2016. And if Romney gets elected instead? Great, we've got a strong congress and a republican in office.

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 12:25 PM (gxGND)

238 Heh.

My point about my own personal take on Romney was to make it clear _how much effort_ it will take to get him across the finish line.

And it'd be so much easier to get Gingrich across the line.  Or Santorum.  Really, dude.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 12:26 PM (Iyg03)

239 Hey, did it occur to anyone else that "That Guy" might be "someguy"?

Are we all just punching down here?

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at March 31, 2012 12:26 PM (hIWe1)

240 All we need do is pray to balance the sheets.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 12:26 PM (UtT5R)

241 Every day on TV, show a Federal building being closed.

And show a single Mom and her 5 kids saying they wont have to keep this thing running any longer.

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 12:27 PM (OhYCU)

242

Are we all just punching down here?

 

I keep knocking him down, but he gets right back up!

Posted by: Clown Boxer at March 31, 2012 12:28 PM (zn0Us)

243 @245
Jeff-
yeah, but I just don't have the patience for the knuckleheads today.  I don't think this guy really believes what he's saying.  He's a troll or a plant.

Posted by: pep at March 31, 2012 12:29 PM (6TB1Z)

244 Look, astroturfer.  Why don't you answer my question at #229, and then give it a rest.  This thread is for what Romney needs to do.

What conservatives do you follow on Twitter?

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 12:29 PM (Iyg03)

245 God is real, ask anyone on the right.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 12:29 PM (UtT5R)

246 My goodness, you just an't argue with that level of intellect.

Posted by: Truman North at March 31, 2012 12:30 PM (I2LwF)

247 @rdbrewer I don't follow anyone political on Twitter. I visit Instapundint, Hot Air, and Ace in that order most days, and occasionally look and see what mess Drudge is trying to create. That's my point: I'm not really in your group (although ideologically I am), and I wrote today because I'm getting the sense that Red team is badly misunderstanding how little people want to vote for Romney. I'm predisposed to vote for the guy because he's not Obama and even *I* find his approach to becoming president distasteful enough that I can't pull the lever for him. If it mattered, and I didn't live in CA, yeah, I'd pull it for him. But since I don't, I'll probably vote for whoever the libertarian candidate is because I just can't do it. Romney is just too craven a power grab for a guy who has no business even _being_ in the conservative party for me to vote for it. So I'll focus on congress. Anyway, hope this helps.

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 12:30 PM (gxGND)

248 >>>To be entirely honest here - Reagan was able to stimulate through the incursion of an expanding debt based balance sheet; it could be done then because we were not at a critical X Y economic intersection as we are now with currency debasement, zero net fed fund rates, 46M on food stamps, U6 unemployment at 20 percent and recent debt expansion achieved in 2 years by doubling 200 years of national debt.

Folks, a template does not exist to fix this. We are in completely uncharted territory here.

Understand this.

See, I'm pretty sure that Romney is literally the only guy in this race on either side who actually DOES understand that.  (Ryan too, probably.)  And his entire career has centered around finding creative, out-of-the-box solutions to seemingly intractable problems.  Nothing is guaranteed, but you know what?  THAT'S THE FUCKING GUY I want at the helm to deal with this problem in the next critical four years, not Obama or Rick "let's bring back old-style manufacturing!" Santorum. 

I mean, how is it not clear to everyone that there is one guy among the choices on offer here from both parties who actually has, you know, a stunningly relevant skillset and preparation to take on the challenges we face?  And that all the rest are clowns, comparatively speaking?

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at March 31, 2012 12:31 PM (hIWe1)

249 Wow.....

Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 31, 2012 12:32 PM (vdT53)

250 127
I'm in CA too, nothing but nothing could keep me away from the polls.

Because my dead Grandparents and damned dogs are going to be voting for Obama, so the least I can do is to cancel out one vote.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 31, 2012 12:32 PM (Qxdfp)

251 FTRSD is... hire Thad McCotter for press secretary.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 12:32 PM (jUytm)

252 245, good call.

Posted by: jakeman at March 31, 2012 12:32 PM (96M6e)

253 lacy, remember i named my dog after you.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 12:33 PM (UtT5R)

254 A candidate for state senate came around to tady. I've decided to start voting for only good-looking republicans.

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 31, 2012 12:33 PM (vpe0k)

255 FTRSD is... build the damn fence.

Posted by: John McCain at March 31, 2012 12:33 PM (jUytm)

256 But somehow, we made it work in 92-00 and we can make it work again in 2012-2016, and then elect a strong conservative in 2016.

Main thing is, let Obama win in '12.  Okay.  How about no?  And that's enough.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 12:33 PM (Iyg03)

257 243 That's about the same as thinking Obama will become some lawless dickhead with a strong, red Congress. Won't happen. Obama is lazy. All he gives a shit about is his "legacy". Fuck, the guy wrote two autobiographies _before_ he became president. > It's not about legacy, it's about power and instituting a radical agenda. The fact that Obama is lazy hasn't stopped him from trampling on the Constitution thus far and it isn't going to stop him later. He was mentored by radicals and he's a radical himself.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at March 31, 2012 12:34 PM (d6QMz)

258 It IS true that we are going to have to spend a lot of resources in order to help Romney keep pace with Obama and his magic invisible international yet legal fundraising, while at the same time trying to win House and Senate seats.  The good news is that Obama doesn't seem to want to share his pot of gold with those in congressional races, so they might be a little easier to handle than if he were a generous man looking out for the welfare of his Democratic friends.

Posted by: mama winger at March 31, 2012 12:34 PM (P6QsQ)

259 things will get worse for a short while before they get better Flip-flopper!

Posted by: Baraka Obama at March 31, 2012 12:34 PM (l/xhO)

260 FTRSD is... call Israel and tell them Iran can go horsefuck.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 12:35 PM (jUytm)

261 @rbrewer, you're an admin, so check my email address and email me directly if you think this is some kind of hoax. Hell, look me up on Google – my email address is public. But just tossing people like me aside who are already _on your side_ is not the path to victory in November (or ever, really). Let's not be stupid about this just because our political opponents are.

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 12:35 PM (gxGND)

262 221 I work exclusively for a Japanese Corporation. They give me dollars for my manufactured product but are themselves paid for my product in both dollars and goods. India is already insular and our dealings with them are very difficult because of rampant corruption and lawless behavior.

241 Yes, we have already crossed that Mathematical Rubicon. People think you're crazy when you try to explain how the Fed has electronically issued trillions to foreign banks. Estimates are north of 27 trillion. We're on the hook for that.

Posted by: Beto at March 31, 2012 12:36 PM (lpWVn)

263 call Israel and tell them Iran can go horsefuck. Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 04:35 PM



Then dial Hamid Karzai and tell him sorry pal, you're on your own.

Posted by: mama winger at March 31, 2012 12:37 PM (P6QsQ)

264 Seriously, though... FTRSD is get us out of Afghanistan. And I mean the very first thing. No six month exit strategy. Just leave.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 12:37 PM (jUytm)

265 Who would you run against Obama, That Guy, you know, to defeat him?  At this point?  And how would you get it done?

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 12:37 PM (Iyg03)

266 Abolish each and every one of the "czar" positions and toss them and each and every member of their staff members out.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at March 31, 2012 12:38 PM (lce0m)

267 Then dial Hamid Karzai and tell him sorry pal, you're on your own. Absolutely. Not One More Drop of American Blood.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 12:38 PM (jUytm)

268 "FTRSD is get us out of Afghanistan. And I mean the very first thing. No six month exit strategy. Just leave." Weak on defense you are dear scared little lady.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 12:38 PM (UtT5R)

269 Woof.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 31, 2012 12:39 PM (vdT53)

270 274 no way Obama's re-elected. You can take that to the bank

Posted by: Beto at March 31, 2012 12:39 PM (lpWVn)

271

One thing that needs to be mentioned here. You fire the CEO, it sure as hell makes all the underlings pay attention.

 

That is what we plan to do come Nov.

Posted by: HH at March 31, 2012 12:39 PM (KB0hv)

272 In fact, if Romney was smart, he'd be running loud and clear on an immediate exit from Afghanistan. Nobody wants to be there anymore.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 12:40 PM (jUytm)

273 You fire the CEO, it sure as hell makes all the underlings pay attention.

They don't care, they're in the union.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 12:40 PM (GTbGH)

274

If the election was held today, he'd carry 278 EVs or more.  278 minimum.

I also think that Obamacare will be upheld 5-4.

 

Damn morons trying to out-Eyeore me...

Posted by: Truman North at March 31, 2012 12:41 PM (I2LwF)

275 The problem with Afghanistan is that it's full of Afghanis.

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 31, 2012 12:41 PM (vpe0k)

276 Did anyone see Romney with Ryan on Fox last night.  They appeared very strong together and Romney was firm in calling Obama out on the disaster his presidency has been.

I thought that looked like a winning ticket.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 31, 2012 12:41 PM (GoIUi)

277 1. Take Chrysler back from the Italians. Invade them if necessary.  Don't break any paintings. Or the Coliseum.

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 12:41 PM (OhYCU)

278 Anyone that wants to pull out of Afghanistan and not bomb Iran is weak on defense.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 12:41 PM (UtT5R)

279

"They don't care, they're in the union."

Holder is???

Posted by: HH at March 31, 2012 12:42 PM (KB0hv)

280 Marv, what are the keys to the game? Well, Herb, Romney needs to run on three things: The Economy Gas prices Jobs Afghanistan

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 12:42 PM (jUytm)

281 The naivete on conservative blogs can be staggering. That said, if Romney prevails in November -- and that's a big if, BTW, not coincidentally and quite ironically in large part because of the vast numbers of putative and erstwhile conservatives who'll sit out the election -- the first thing he should do is to put together a real cabinet with real adult professionals. No more Eric Holders. No more Steven Chus. No more Napolitanos. No more Geithners.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at March 31, 2012 12:42 PM (r2PLg)

282 If the election was held today, he'd carry 278 EVs or more. 278 minimum.
I also think that Obamacare will be upheld 5-4.

It would greatly clarify things if that turns out to be the case.  Then it's every man for himself.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 12:42 PM (GTbGH)

283 >>>Who would you run against Obama, That Guy, you know, to defeat him? At this point? And how would you get it done?

Don't you get it?  He doesn't WANT to defeat Obama, unless it can be done with his idea of the 'right candidate'.

Better to lose than to win with a guy he didn't support, you see.  And once that gut decision is made, comes the rationalizing effort of "you see, it will actually be BETTER for us this way!  Let me explain using a series of charts I've prepared..."

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at March 31, 2012 12:42 PM (hIWe1)

284 @rdbrewer I don't think we can run anyone but Romney at this point, and I don't know who we could even _get_ to run. I have no answers for the Obama problem (and apparently, I'm not alone). So we're stuck with Romney. I'll focus on the bad things Obama would bring, but I can't bring myself to talk about the "good things" Romney brings because he doesn't. He's worse than McCain for our side (and I voted for McCain here in CA), worse than W. And he's our fucking nominee. So yeah, my approach if I were in charge would be to focus 100% on Obama and 0% on Romney (though still vote for him) in the POSTUS race, and then flood the blogosphere with stuff on congress like we did in 2010. 2010 was the model for what we should be doing in 2012: focus on Obama, and take back congress. If we do that, Romney probably has the best chance of winning, so we might even get POTUS too. But if make this about Romney v. Obama, my belief is we lose. Twice. Once for POTUS, and second in Congress.

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 12:42 PM (gxGND)

285 Holder is???

I'm looking for Holder to be extradited to Mexico.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 12:43 PM (GTbGH)

286 262 A candidate for state senate came around to tady. I've decided to start voting for only good-looking republicans.

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 31, 2012 04:33 PM (vpe0k)


Well, that's one vote I won't be getting.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 31, 2012 12:43 PM (xKC/c)

287 Boy, that guy sure was persuasive.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 12:43 PM (Iyg03)

288 2. Invade Russia. Then the Iran problem goes away.

/oh, Reagan was kidding?

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 12:43 PM (OhYCU)

289

Seriously, you go through it, state by state, and see where Romney has a path to electoral victory.  As it stands now, it can't be done.

 

Which does not mean that he can't win.  He just can't win as it stands right now.

Posted by: Truman North at March 31, 2012 12:43 PM (I2LwF)

290 Did anyone see Romney with Ryan on Fox last night.





No, I missed that.  I did hear Ryan on our local radio station around dinner time, giving his reasons for supporting Romney, and answering the inevitable VP questions.

Posted by: mama winger at March 31, 2012 12:43 PM (P6QsQ)

291 Miss Marple, Romney needs to turn it up a notch. "Obama prolonged the recession and weakened the recovery," is not good enough. *Romney said that yesterday.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 12:44 PM (jUytm)

292 >>>If the election was held today, he'd carry 278 EVs or more. 278 minimum.

True, but irrelevant because the election isn't today.  Meaning not only that things can change, but that entire tenor of the race, coverage, voter engagement & attention, would be completely different.

I don't think it's a guaranteed thing at all in November, but I do think Obama is under 50/50 for reelection.  The polls will shift accordingly to reflect that once we get closer to go-time.

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at March 31, 2012 12:44 PM (hIWe1)

293 VP Condi Rice?

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 12:44 PM (OhYCU)

294 The fact that Mittens is spending millions fixing up his house in San Diego suggests to me that not even HE expects to moving into the White House in January.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 31, 2012 12:45 PM (azHfB)

295 BTW, thanks to people with the constructive comments on here. I finally feel like my thoughts are consolidating on this, and your responses helped with that. (Clearly, I was mostly upset in my first approach without any actual solutions on what to do...)

Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 12:45 PM (gxGND)

296 Condi Rice?  The NPR librarian?

Posted by: Truman North at March 31, 2012 12:45 PM (I2LwF)

297 2) He could then bury any "conservative" too lazy to know the difference between ABC and EBT under the White House stairs.

Posted by: Gerry at March 31, 2012 12:46 PM (pvKIA)

298

"I'm looking for Holder to be extradited to Mexico."

 

Laughs.

 

You and me both...

Posted by: HH at March 31, 2012 12:46 PM (KB0hv)

299 The fact that Mittens is spending millions fixing up his house in San Diego suggests to me that not even HE expects to moving into the White House in January.

He found that money under the cushions on his couch.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 12:46 PM (GTbGH)

300 135 When obama is defeated in November are all the Liberals gonna threaten to leave the Country again? Posted by: nevergiveup

And is there any way we can hold them to it?

Posted by: Dianna at March 31, 2012 12:47 PM (mKMj1)

301

That Guy, we're very hard on new people who re-litigate things from the relative past and we're very hard on new folks who can't immediately see the correctness of our positions.

 

You're doing fine.  Stick around.

Posted by: Truman North at March 31, 2012 12:47 PM (I2LwF)

302 Sounds like Gerry is afraid of losing his Free Stuff card.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 31, 2012 12:47 PM (jUytm)

303 Romney should pick Paul Ryan for VP.  Then schedule a VP debate every Saturday night between now and the election, between Ryan and Biden.  Put it on Pay per View.

Posted by: mama winger at March 31, 2012 12:47 PM (P6QsQ)

304 San Diego:  Western Whitehouse.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 12:47 PM (GTbGH)

305 The fact that Mittens is spending millions fixing up his house in San
Diego suggests to me that

... he's a prepper.

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 12:47 PM (OhYCU)

306

Gerry:  I thought they just combined TANF and SNAP into one benefit called the TEWL:  Terrible Expenditures on Worthless Layabouts.

 

aka the Tewl Payments.

Posted by: Truman North at March 31, 2012 12:48 PM (I2LwF)

307 I think Walker, Rubio, or Ryan as VP would ensure a win.

Posted by: LIGuy at March 31, 2012 12:48 PM (+usC4)

308 We need Sarah as president and God tells me she will be in 2013.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 12:48 PM (UtT5R)

309 God speaks in tongues

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 12:48 PM (OhYCU)

310

Make it illegal to vote for a D.  Deport Maher. Make hillary the Health Czar. Give Rush the medal of freedom. Widen and extend the rio grandre to the pacific.Make BHO the Amb. to Iran and tell him to stay there no matter what. Open the Mall for energy exploration and developement. You can guess the rest

 

Posted by: rik at March 31, 2012 12:49 PM (YpFiN)

311 135 309
When obama is defeated in November are all the Liberals gonna threaten to leave the Country again?
Posted by: nevergiveup

And is there any way we can hold them to it?
Posted by: Dianna

They never keep their promises or honor contracts

Posted by: Beto at March 31, 2012 12:49 PM (lpWVn)

312 BTW, thanks to people with the constructive comments on here. I finally feel like my thoughts are consolidating on this, and your responses helped with that. (Clearly, I was mostly upset in my first approach without any actual solutions on what to do...) Posted by: That Guy at March 31, 2012 04:45 PM



I like you way better than Reality/Raykon , if that's any comfort.


Posted by: mama winger at March 31, 2012 12:49 PM (P6QsQ)

313 78 22 I think Obama will lose handily.
Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 03:29 PM (Iyg03)

Me too.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 31, 2012 03:44 PM (DGIjM)


Agree. Thanks, rd for posting.

Oh, and Guy? People stayed home for McCain/PALIN and look where it got us: name anything good that came out of staying home in 2008. That's right, you can't. 2010 and taking the House was due to people VOTING.

I don't care who is running against Obama, I will vote for him. It is about two years too late to keep whining about this election. Man up and vote the socialist back to Chicago. Defeatism never got anyone anywhere.

Romney/Rubio...Romney/Ryan...Romney/Anyone is better than Obama.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky: ABO 2012 at March 31, 2012 12:50 PM (baL2B)

314

"Reagan was able to stimulate through..."

Reagan's tax cuts would NOT have worked without that huge demographic bulge in the "productive" population, due to the Baby Boomers coming of age in the 1980s [and, to a lesser extent, in the 1990s].

But as the [non-fertile] Baby Boomers head off into the sunset, we are now on the back side of that great demographic bulge.

What's replacing it is a demographic nightmare: An explosion in the numbers of the "unproductive" population [think "Obama Money" and "Amber Lamps" and their ilk].

Tax cuts alone will NOT be enough this time.

There just aren't enough productive young people anymore to fuel the engine of growth, and there are waaayyyyy too many unproductive "hoodied" young people just waiting to suck the life out of the system.

You simply cannot build a 1st-World economy on the backs of a 3rd-World populace.

And no amount of skittles fantasies can change that underlying demographic reality.

Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 31, 2012 12:50 PM (hUcgo)

315 God does not like teabaggers, nor does he like tongues used for sex.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 12:50 PM (UtT5R)

316 The fact that Mittens is spending millions fixing up his house in San
Diego suggests to me that....


Adding on quarters for Secret Service and armor plating

Posted by: Beto at March 31, 2012 12:51 PM (lpWVn)

317 1. Trade California for Cancun and Cozumel. And some burritos.

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 12:51 PM (OhYCU)

318 And no amount of skittles fantasies can change that underlying demographic reality.

Welcome to the party, pal.

Posted by: that guy that always thinks we're boned at March 31, 2012 12:51 PM (GTbGH)

319 you know....it suddenly dawned on me I sounded a lot like That Guy...about 2 months ago. Actually I sounded considerably more unhinged as I was in the grips of Perry-itis still. But no, we need to concentrate on getting Obama out, he's patient zero for everything that is wrong in this country.

Posted by: Max Power at March 31, 2012 12:52 PM (q177U)

320

I give That Guy has a 70% chance of coming around and becoming a moron.

Posted by: Truman North at March 31, 2012 12:52 PM (I2LwF)

321 The First Thing Romney Should Do


Close the southern border and deport all illegals.


Posted by: Cast Iron at March 31, 2012 12:52 PM (EL+OC)

322

In re: "Blue Hen" & softball...

 

Did I misunderstand - are you in reality a "Blue Rooster"?

 

Because I was thinking that if you really are a hen, then maybe you bat for Elena Kagan's team?

 

 

Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 31, 2012 12:53 PM (hUcgo)

323 No one believes in global warming, I mean climate change, anymore except liberals and idiots,

Posted by: The New Reality at March 31, 2012 12:53 PM (Sh42X)

324 Close some federal agencies.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 12:53 PM (Iyg03)

325 ThatGuyThat is a registered sockpuppet of TookEnterprises, Ltd.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 12:53 PM (GTbGH)

326

Max, that's what I'm saying: That Guy isn't wrong.  He's talking about stuff we were talking about a few months ago.  He sounds thick to us because we've already been through all this.

 

 

Posted by: Truman North at March 31, 2012 12:53 PM (I2LwF)

327 The First Thing Romney Should Do

Arrest Obama and Holder

Posted by: Beto at March 31, 2012 12:53 PM (lpWVn)

328 236 Ladies, I can bench 400. I am strong, I can protect you. Plus I make 5 times as much as the tubester. LOL Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 04:23 PM

Raykon;

It is better to lurk on the internet and be thought an idiot than to post a comment and remove all doubt

Posted by: kbdabear at March 31, 2012 12:53 PM (Y+DPZ)

329 263 lacy, remember i named my dog after you. Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 04:33 PM

We name our turds after you

Posted by: kbdabear at March 31, 2012 12:54 PM (Y+DPZ)

330

Close the southern border and deport all illegals.

 

 

Think of all the infrastructure and job creation inherent in that undertaking!  And t would actually benefit the country.

Posted by: Truman North at March 31, 2012 12:55 PM (I2LwF)

331 More begging...

Friend --

Sorry to bug you on a Saturday. The FEC wouldn't let us push back their big March 31st deadline. (I tried.)

Just hours to go -- please chip in $3 or more:

Thanks.

Rufus

Rufus Gifford
National Finance Director
Obama for America

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse, formerly known as 'As If' at March 31, 2012 12:55 PM (piMMO)

332 We name our turds after you

Just the floaters.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 12:55 PM (GTbGH)

333 #300  He is dealing with the fact that the government makes fake numbers which the press dutifully reports.

Technically,  we are in a recovery.  Of course,  it is a fake recovery but as far as the press is concerned,  we are in one.  Romney is saying that all of the misery of the last 3 years could have ended 2 years ago if Obama hadn't screwed things up.  I liked the speech he gave a couple of weeks ago where he talked about how Obama is the killer of dreams.   That was a good way to put it.

He feels this stuff in his gut,  but he doesn't have the words to get it out.  I wish I could write for him,  because I think I could do it for him.  He just needs to get the right words.

I am not in the mood to hear about how maybe Romney will lose.  That guy can STFU.  My husband works in Africa so we can keep our house.  I worked my tale off selling stuff on eBay last year and after I sweated to get $12000 in sales,  we ended up owing $20,000 in taxes,  a check which I will have to write on April 15.  

We have people living in cars and under bridges.  We have gas approaching $5.00 a gallon and food costs going through the roof.  This is directly Obama's fault,  no one else's.  He's destroying our national security (and Israel's too when he gets hold of any of their secrets,  which he immediately has leaked).   He's humiliating our country.  He's ginning up race and class warfare and his allies are the worst sorts of thugs our nation has produced. 

So That Guy,  go away.  Go sit somewhere anad think about this long and hard.  Do not come here like Wormwood whispering poisonous defeatism.  I will call you out on it every time.  You are an Eeyore at best,  and a democrat troll at worst.  Go away.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 31, 2012 12:55 PM (GoIUi)

334 1. Arrest Obama for forgery
2. Arrest Obama's aunts, uncles, etc. and deport them on a slow ship with lots of valuables on board.
3. Arrest Bill Ayers for bombing the Pentagon

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 12:55 PM (OhYCU)

335 Embryonic cell research is not only a failure, it had the added benefit of exposing a lack of human decency on the left.

Posted by: The New Reality at March 31, 2012 12:56 PM (Sh42X)

336

Newt was right about one thing:  the ecomony will start to turn around on election night if Obama loses.  If Romney does what he promised and gives wavers to all 50 states for Obamacare and then takes the boot off energy producers, the economy will get better in weeks, not months or years. 

Mitt's biggest problem will be the media.  No matter how much better it gets and how fast it gets better, the media will hide it or lie about it.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at March 31, 2012 12:56 PM (4zKCA)

337 1. Send Obama's brother some foreign aid money so he wont have to live in a hut

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 12:56 PM (OhYCU)

338 I know there's a professional courtesy thing with new admins versus old, but as bad as Holder has been?  Re-up the independent counsel statute, and appoint Holder his own personal demon.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 12:56 PM (Iyg03)

339 333 Close some federal agencies.
Posted by: rdbrewer at March 31, 2012 04:53 PM

First to go, the TSA.

Then ATF, the EPA, the Dept of Energy and the Dept of Education, both turds dumped on us by Jimmy Carter


Posted by: kbdabear at March 31, 2012 12:57 PM (Y+DPZ)

340 Ladies, we need some one like Hillary. Forget the nut jobs like Sarah and Bachmann.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 12:57 PM (UtT5R)

341 Arrest Bill Ayers for bombing the Pentagon
Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 04:55 PM




Oh man would I love to see that.  That guy is evil.  Evil.  And his wretched wife too.

Posted by: mama winger at March 31, 2012 12:57 PM (P6QsQ)

342 You simply cannot build a 1st-World economy on the backs of a 3rd-World populace.

One actually can, to an extent and if one is willing to be flexible about the whole democracy thing. That's how South Africa managed.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 31, 2012 12:57 PM (QTHTd)

343 All Mormons are preppers. They're taught to keep a year's worth of provisions on hand in case of disaster. If you ever meet a Mormon, look for an excuse o check out their basement.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at March 31, 2012 12:57 PM (a5ljo)

344 1. Pass a law that says no Federal politician can do March Madness brackets

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 12:58 PM (OhYCU)

345 Do not come here like Wormwood whispering poisonous defeatism.

Me likey

Posted by: pep at March 31, 2012 12:59 PM (6TB1Z)

346 I know there's a professional courtesy thing with new admins versus old

There was, but I want people going to prison like we were a banana republic.  Estates seized, families turned out into the snow etc.  Bring back The Taint of the Blood.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 12:59 PM (GTbGH)

347 The God on the right aborts (miscarriage) more babies than the left ever thought about. Why does God hate life like He does?

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:00 PM (UtT5R)

348 Hillary's "issues" drove Vince Foster to suicide.

Posted by: The New Reality at March 31, 2012 01:00 PM (Sh42X)

349 Oooh ooh! I know, I know! (waves hand frantically above head).......Global Minimum Tax! FDR used to come on the television and tell us about it all the time.

Posted by: Joltin' Joe Biden at March 31, 2012 01:00 PM (JoIcn)

350 Bill Ayers has already been prosecuted and got off due to inept bungling by the FBI who wire tapped him without a warrant.

Posted by: Vic at March 31, 2012 01:02 PM (YdQQY)

351 348 Then ATF, the EPA, the Dept of Energy and the Dept of Education, both turds dumped on us by Jimmy Carter

And then that other one...

Posted by: Rick Perry at March 31, 2012 01:03 PM (Qxdfp)

352

None of you guys strike me as being serious.

Serious reform: Phase out SS. Phase out Mediscare. Phase out Medicaid. Phase out SSI. Phase out AFDC. Phase out the EITC.

With the "phasing out" beginning IMMEDIATELY, the next day after the bill is signed - and the "phasing out" period being no more than about 20 years for SS & Mediscare and more like 5 years for SSI and AFDC and the EITC - so that you are looking at IMMEDIATE cuts for old folks on the order of 5% and immediate cuts for the "Hoodied / Amber Lamps " crowd on the order of 20% [modulo the appropriate logarithms].

And when you do get serious like that, then just sit back and watch Rodney King times Ten Thousand.

Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 31, 2012 01:03 PM (hUcgo)

353 1. Guarantee no tuition increases for 8 years. Force Harvard to use its endowment to pay for Leftist professor salaries.

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 01:03 PM (OhYCU)

354

First thing - Arrest the Blue Collar comedy group, but not Ron White.

Posted by: Jimma at March 31, 2012 01:03 PM (UpwlP)

355 We should follow Gods law.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:04 PM (UtT5R)

356 Obamacare seems to be based on racism and magic.

Posted by: The New Reality at March 31, 2012 01:04 PM (Sh42X)

357 27 Don't ever expect anything bold out of Willard. He will spend 4 years reacting to the left like a typical squish RINO. Posted by: Valiant at March 31, 2012 03:30 PM (aFxlY) That's my guess too. He'll do what he did in Massachusetts: spend and tax, then blame his predecessors. It's not for nothing that many think of Romney as Obama-lite. As a side benefit of Romney, he'll also split the Republican party. The more fiscally conservative people, maybe the social conservatives too, will probably form a new party.

Posted by: Worf the Wonder Klingon at March 31, 2012 01:04 PM (nwyry)

358

Zombie Shane... you're not being serious.

 

In a perfect world, what you said sounds like a good start.  But we're tlaking about reality and we're talking about President Romney.

Posted by: Truman North at March 31, 2012 01:05 PM (I2LwF)

359 And the only way we will ever get control of the country is repeal/reword the 24th amendment which prohibits making a tax payment a requirement for voting.

We in fact need to make payment of taxes a requirement. You should not be able to vote yourself free shit without consequences.

Posted by: Vic at March 31, 2012 01:05 PM (YdQQY)

360

The BlueManGroup should be laboring as thralls in a salt mine.

Execute all Mimes.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 01:05 PM (GTbGH)

361 1. Arrest all comedians. That would be funny.

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 01:05 PM (OhYCU)

362 God couldn't get ant demoncrats to vote for Obama's budget.

Posted by: The New Reality at March 31, 2012 01:06 PM (Sh42X)

363 1. All community organizers should be sent to District 12

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 01:06 PM (OhYCU)

364 Execute all Mimes

By crushing them in a transparent box.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 01:07 PM (GTbGH)

365 Allow slavery again as God says its ok. Who are we to argue?

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:07 PM (UtT5R)

366 They never keep their promises or honor contracts
Posted by: Beto

*Sigh*

Unfortunately, you have a point.

Posted by: Dianna at March 31, 2012 01:07 PM (mKMj1)

367 God is reality. But Reality is not God.

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 01:07 PM (OhYCU)

368

Actually, for the record, the old folks' programs could be phased out rather effectively simply by continually increasing the eligibility age, something like:

Every two years, the eligibility age increases by one year.

Then everyone already enrolled in SS and Mediscare will always stay on it, but the rest of the us have to stay on the treadmill for increasingly long periods of time.

Eventually, the eligibility age will get up around 120, no one will qualify, and the programs will simply cease to exist.

But cutting off bennies to the "Hoodied / Amber Lamps" crowd is going to require infinitely more will power.

They WILL riot, and riot very violently.

Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 31, 2012 01:07 PM (hUcgo)

369 As for Romney getting the nod, what we need to do is get control of the RNC and change the primary schedule to make a State rewarded for voting red and punished for voting blue.

IOW blue States shouldn't have the sole say so on who our candidate will be.

We should also forbid Republican Debates hosted by anyone in the MFM.

Posted by: Vic at March 31, 2012 01:07 PM (YdQQY)

370 They WILL riot, and riot very violently.

Isn't that a problem that fixes itself?

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 01:08 PM (GTbGH)

371 They WILL riot, and riot very violently.
------------------------


So what. Let them burn these urban shit holes to the ground and eat each other.

Posted by: Vic at March 31, 2012 01:08 PM (YdQQY)

372 Reality is a lie.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:08 PM (UtT5R)

373 There will be riots this summer.  I have no doubt.  Every arrest, every imagined insult, every drop in poll numbers will result in riots and looting.

We will have riots in November no matter wat.  Riots if Obama loses,  in revenge.  Riots if he wins,  to show us who is in charge.

I am therefore planning accordingly.  And I will vote for Romney and urge everyone I can to do so.  because we have been shown that nothing is ever good enough for the race-baiters.  Obama no longer deserves the benefit of the "vote for Obama to show how tolerant we are" vote.  A bunch of people (not me) did that and all it got them was an economic disaster and more insults.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 31, 2012 01:09 PM (GoIUi)

374 Nothing says Return to your homes like artillery.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 01:09 PM (GTbGH)

375 Obama will return to blowing people for contributions.

Posted by: The New Reality at March 31, 2012 01:10 PM (Sh42X)

376 Cant we all just get along?

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 01:10 PM (OhYCU)

377 "384 Nothing says Return to your homes like artillery." Whatcha got going, couple .22s?

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:10 PM (UtT5R)

378

"And when you do get serious like that, then just sit back and watch Rodney King times Ten Thousand."

So we can't because there might be violence?

 

As far as the LA riots, I was there. Funny thing. Turns out all my Lib neighbors had guns. So it was bad, but we had protection.

 

One last thing to consider. If you are a minority commiting violence, you are that, a  minority. So the numbers against you are stacked, and not in your favor.

 

Just a reminder...

 

Posted by: HH at March 31, 2012 01:10 PM (KB0hv)

379 354 Do not come here like Wormwood whispering poisonous defeatism.

Me likey

Posted by: pep at March 31, 2012 04:59 PM (6TB1Z)

+100 million. Yes, yes, yes. You nailed it, Miss Marple.

I live in a conservative county in Florida. We vote GOP overwhelmingly here. I do not know anyone who will not vote against The Won in November... and we were divided when it came to voting for Rick Scott vs the pet McCollum. All were united in voting for Rubio when we kicked Crist's butt to become an ambulance chaser in Orlando (Meek was the forgotten Democrat in this battle). Look what unity can do!

Not voting for Romney in November is the same as voting for Obama in my book; as the similar self-righteous ship, the SS Cannot Vote for McCain '08, has sailed.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky: ABO 2012 at March 31, 2012 01:11 PM (baL2B)

380 1. Find Vera B*ker (why does this show up as spam?)

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 01:11 PM (OhYCU)

381 "386 Cant we all just get along?" With people that believe in imaginary beings that guide their every day? You ask the world.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:12 PM (UtT5R)

382 Find Vera B*ker

Heh.  I've always suspected it was Vernon Baker anyway.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 01:12 PM (GTbGH)

383 New post up

Posted by: Vic at March 31, 2012 01:13 PM (YdQQY)

384 The one true God is Mohammad.

Posted by: The Newer Reality at March 31, 2012 01:13 PM (Sh42X)

385 1. Unmask Ace of Spades in the public square.

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 01:13 PM (OhYCU)

386 All community organizers should be sent to District 12
Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 05:06 PM
-------------------
How about District 9?

Posted by: Contemplative Lobster at March 31, 2012 01:14 PM (+rBDt)

387 Does ace live in a small town?

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:16 PM (UtT5R)

388 Bring it.We'll make this shithole town look like the 1863 riot scenes in Gangs of New York.

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 31, 2012 01:16 PM (vpe0k)

389 Romney's potential VP list (based on speculation, and in no particular order): McDonnell; Jindal; Portman; Rubio; Thune; Daniels; Ryan; Martinez; Haley; Christie

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at March 31, 2012 01:16 PM (d6QMz)

390 Is ace ugly?

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:18 PM (UtT5R)

391 ace lives in every town... and in your head.

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 01:18 PM (OhYCU)

392 i love cherries

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:19 PM (UtT5R)

393 ace is neither ugly, nor pretty. He is omnipotent.  All knowing. Yes... powerful.

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 01:19 PM (OhYCU)

394 powerful in he knows dicks[sic]?

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:21 PM (UtT5R)

395 Sage advice: If you live within a tankful of gas of an urban center of 1M+...GTFO.

You're welcome.

Posted by: Cast Iron at March 31, 2012 01:22 PM (EL+OC)

396 reality is creepy

Posted by: cherry at March 31, 2012 01:23 PM (OhYCU)

397 3. JDAM EPA
4. Indict Holder, frog-march his butt to Federal Court
Jim Scrummy at March 31, 2012 04:23 PM (EEibL)

#3. CDR M, where are you?!!
#4. Screw the SCOTUS - Mussolini him!



Posted by: Grandma Mimi at March 31, 2012 01:24 PM (roHFn)

398 cherry, a hint, what? I will surrender if you have more than a town.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:25 PM (UtT5R)

399

" Mussolini him!"


Nah. Just want to see a Mexican Court try him.

 

Televised.

 

That would be, interesting...

Posted by: HH at March 31, 2012 01:27 PM (KB0hv)

400 Ooops, I meant Holder...

Posted by: HH at March 31, 2012 01:29 PM (KB0hv)

401 The quest for God is a quest for the succubus. Ladies, I love you dearly as you are smarter than US.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:31 PM (UtT5R)

402

"Nothing says Return to your homes like artillery."

Which gets back to suspension of Posse Comitatus.

Anyone who is serious about righting the Ship of State knows that it will require cuts and cancellations [and deportations] which will provoke Rodney King riots times Ten Thousand.

We simply do not have the demographics anymore to "grow" our way out of this mess.

And anyone who isn't thinking about things like suspension of Posse Comitatus simply isn't serious.

Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 31, 2012 01:34 PM (hUcgo)

403 Comon, I can write... Riddles

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:35 PM (UtT5R)

404 Get rid of the TSA so I can fly again without being molested/arrested.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at March 31, 2012 01:37 PM (X/+QT)

405 I'll vote for the guy, but the idea that he will take lessons from Reagan is silly. He doesnt even know who Reagsn was.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at March 31, 2012 01:37 PM (5H6zj)

406 And anyone who isn't thinking about things like suspension of Posse Comitatus simply isn't serious.

Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 31, 2012 05:34 PM (hUcgo)

No need to suspend it.  It has been rendered meaningless already by constant changes to it over the years.

Posted by: Vic at March 31, 2012 01:40 PM (YdQQY)

407 I fly no longer even though I always flew first class. (air miles)

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:40 PM (UtT5R)

408 Wasn't Reagan forced to raise taxes early by the Dems in control in order to get his agenda started?  Without that, I don't think it will hurt as much.  Plus Reagan took a bullet so it definitely won't hurt as much for Romney we pray.

Posted by: Mac Gootbone at March 31, 2012 01:42 PM (XCSw/)

409 God, first class, people stare as they think you are some one. I love it

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:42 PM (UtT5R)

410 Ray, ray, ray.  We know you haven't left your house in the last decade.  Send the helper monkey for your washing stick.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 01:44 PM (GTbGH)

411

C++ bitches!

I'm still laughing about that.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 01:45 PM (GTbGH)

412 true I love my home and true I believe toby is gay.

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:45 PM (UtT5R)

413

"No need to suspend it. It has been rendered meaningless already by constant changes to it over the years."

 

And if Romney signs into law a phase-out to SSI/AFDC/EITC, which has, say, immediate cuts of 10%, then do you think he's prepared to bring out the artillery - to send a MacArthur to break up the tent city on the Mall?

 

Heck, do we even have a MacArthur anymore who would give the order to break up the tent city on the Mall?

 

And do you think that Romney is ready to do that in 10,000 different cities SIMULTANEOUSLY?!?

 

When you start thinking about the logistics of it like that - and making actual plans for the logistics - only then are you starting to get even mildly serious about our looming fiscal/demographic disaster.

 

Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 31, 2012 01:45 PM (hUcgo)

414 C++ little whiney one what?

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:46 PM (UtT5R)

415 You also believe that you will one day fit through the door again, but that's not true either.  They'll take out a wall to forklift your corpse out.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 01:47 PM (GTbGH)

416 Face it, ray.  You're a nothing going nowhere but the great bit bucket.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 01:48 PM (GTbGH)

417 The smartest people I knew in college drank, lots...

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:48 PM (UtT5R)

418 I am sorry you feel guilty about being gay tobey, but learn to live with it... There is nothing wrong with the gays. Toby, you disagree?

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 01:51 PM (UtT5R)

419
Start prosecuting all the crimes that Eric Holder let slide for which the statutes of limitations haven't expired.

Show all criminals everywhere that their playdate with Democrats is over.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at March 31, 2012 02:00 PM (YF61m)

420 Toby, why all the hate?

Posted by: Reality at March 31, 2012 02:12 PM (UtT5R)

421 As annoyed as I am to see this party nominate a progressive republican, Obama has got to go.  We'll all have to suck it up and vote for the lesser of two evils.  If Romney can perform to a Reaganesque level, I will gladly humble myself and admit I was wrong about him.  But priority one is no-Obama.

Posted by: Dustin at March 31, 2012 02:21 PM (z36s0)

422 @431 Yep. Interesting piece somewhere today about Rubio's endorsement. Basically, Marco said that he heard the Obama 'give me room, comrade' thing and decided then and there that getting Obama out was job one.

Posted by: Y-not at March 31, 2012 02:35 PM (5H6zj)

423

That Guy must not have seen zippy use executive orders and the EPA to bypass Congress.

What effin' country do you live in, TG? Oh, that's right, California!

Posted by: Amalgamated Thrilled Leg Local 342 at March 31, 2012 02:35 PM (BHM5V)

424

Wasn't Reagan forced to raise taxes early by the Dems in control in order to get his agenda started? Without that, I don't think it will hurt as much. Plus Reagan took a bullet so it definitely won't hurt as much for Romney we pray.

That's exactly right. And don't forget, they did the same to W with the war funding bills.

Posted by: Amalgamated Thrilled Leg Local 342 at March 31, 2012 02:40 PM (BHM5V)

425 The first thing Romney should do... ...is publicly strip, remove the Mormon union-suit and, rending it to cotton ribbons with his bare hands and awesome white teeth, proclaim himself "a fucking badass" and "unafraid and worthy of the judgement of Moroni." The second thing he should do is offer a collared, shaved Jay Carney to one of his sons as a valet and squire. The third thing he should do is climb Gabriel, retrieve the bugle, and warble out some kind of weird call to arms. The fourth thing he should do is drop me a line. I put up some mean spiced pickles, and I bet he and Mrs. Romney would enjoy a couple of those prize-winners.

Posted by: Henry Kane at March 31, 2012 02:41 PM (2+bRt)

426 Romney won't win.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 31, 2012 02:45 PM (jIZvD)

427 Romney won't win.

But, Barry will lose.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 02:47 PM (GTbGH)

428 Oh yeah that's a great idea. Start his candidacy on a jimmy c note. Freaking most idiotic thing I've read yet ion neoconsareus.com...

Posted by: jacke at March 31, 2012 02:51 PM (5Cwv4)

429 Instead of wanting Obama out of office so badly that I would vote for someone as bad as him but white and rich, I look upon this election as the chance to purge every last establishment Bush flack and Dixiecrat from the Republican party, and then we might have two robust parties instead of the party of corporate welfare versus the party of class warfare with a middle comprised of populist knuckledraggers -- single mothers toward the left and angry males to the right. I want real choices, and I hate the Rockefeller pubs.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 31, 2012 02:53 PM (jIZvD)

430 But, Barry will lose. Not if Romney's the nominee. Obama's favorables are still within the norm, while nobody likes Mitt.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 31, 2012 02:55 PM (jIZvD)

431 The biggest criticism of Romney is that he's not going to be bold enough.

The only problem with that theory is that we've gotten to a point where either these reforms are made or it simply collapses our currency.

At the very least, if something like the Ryan plan is not instituted, you're going to see a run on the dollar and hyperinflation.

Romney will do the right thing because he has to.

Posted by: Get Real at March 31, 2012 02:59 PM (XDRsa)

432

Dick Cheney for Sec.of HHS

The first thing to do is to appoint Dick Cheney Secretary of Health and Human Services.  All the lib loons who think its just fine that Kathleen Sebelius can use the unlimited power "as the Secretary shall determine" in ZeroCare will then have incentive to help repeal the law.

Posted by: poplicola at March 31, 2012 02:59 PM (9YQuF)

433 Not if Romney's the nominee.

Yes he will.  You're wishcasting if you think a majority will vote for President Say Stuff with $5 gasoline.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 03:09 PM (GTbGH)

434

 "Obama's favorables are still within the norm, while nobody likes Mitt."

 

May not like Mitt. But never count out hate the current prez.

 

Does it for me...

Posted by: HH at March 31, 2012 03:12 PM (KB0hv)

435 Imma write in for Nor Luap cause he's my kinda conservative, and if things go south I can claim I didn't vote for'em!

Posted by: Tw@t Guy at March 31, 2012 03:14 PM (BHM5V)

436

Here is one thing that Romney MUST have ready in case the Supremes do declare Obamacare unconstitutional, or even if they turn down just the mandate. 

And this cannot wait until after the election.  Romney must have a plan, and a good one, ready to introduce in Congress once he is elected, to replace Obamacare. 

The minute the SC decision is announced, if any part of it is our favor, Romney must get television time, and have videos ready, in which he lays out the basics of a market-oriented freeing-up of our health care system and health insurance.  He must be totally ready to make clear that heavy government regulation of health care cannot work due to both the system's complexity and its ever-changing nature. 

Government regulation works somewhat for simple systems and steady-state systems.  Health care is neither.  Romney must have a really good and compelling, market-oriented plan ready to replace Obamacare with, and he must be ready to explain why it is good in terms that voters will understand.

His plan must also address catastrophic illness/injury coverage with a market-oriented solution.  That is what most worries Americans, and justifiably so.  And he must have something to offer the few who are truly, truly needy that will improve Medicaid.

If Romney is ready with such a plan, in case the Supreme court invalidates either the whole of Obamacare or the mandate, and if he can announce it immediately, in a compelling manner, he can reap HUGE benefits with voters.

I hope that somebody on Romney's team reads this.  It would be a political masterstroke (assuming Romney could carry it off).

 

 

 

Posted by: elisheba at March 31, 2012 03:22 PM (54sKT)

437

You all have way too much confidence that Romney is going to all of a sudden turn into a moderate or something even resembling a conservative.

First week in office:  Grant waivers for Obamacare to all 50 states then announce that he has solved the 10th amendment issue and each state is free to seek a waiver if they want.  Institute the corrections to Obamacare to make it more like Romneycare and announce that he has saved the healthcare system.  By executive order institutes a cap and trade on carbon emissions but reduces corporate taxes and lets everyone know that their increase in cap and trade costs will be offset by lower corporate income taxes.

Second week in office:  Fill vacancies on federal bench by appointing democrat judges at a rate of 3 to 1, but telling Republican senate that you can trust him, he's a conservative.

Third week in office:  Get fellow Republicans to pass the Dream Act, by having them attach an amendment that requires the deportation of all illegal immigrants....tells Dems not to worry as he'll nix that with a signing statement.

Posted by: doug at March 31, 2012 03:45 PM (gUGI6)

438 Romney will lay off 20% of the work force and raid the retirement fund. Then he will put the country up for sale at a 30% premium. Then he can retire with his gains to whatever state or country he considers his home.

Posted by: Huggy at March 31, 2012 04:48 PM (GC1AZ)

439 "Yes he will. You're wishcasting if you think a majority will vote for President Say Stuff with $5 gasoline." How's Romney gonna blame Obama for $5 gas? How's Gordon Gecko gonna sell "the economy"? Romney is is weak candidate who cannot outdo the Campaigner In Chief, the skilled orator and pop culture phenom. A good candidate could, but that's not Romney. "And this cannot wait until after the election. Romney must have a plan, and a good one, ready to introduce in Congress once he is elected,to replace Obamacare." That is exactly what he wants to; he wants to leave that POS on the books or "improve it." That's your "conservative" "Republican." If ACA goes up in flames, and I pray to sweet Jesus Christ it does, they go after MA next. Not by a D and not by an R, damned pols.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 31, 2012 05:06 PM (jIZvD)

440 When Romney wins, I will laugh at your tears, TdP.  And I'm a Perry guy.

Posted by: toby928© at March 31, 2012 05:14 PM (GTbGH)

441 I was thinking that it would be quite apt to draw an analogy to a wild party. For the past four years, Obama's been having the economic equivalent of a wild party. When we stop, on January 20th, we're going to wake up with a massive hangover, but if we don't we're going to die of alcohol poisoning. Romney's a mormon. The jokes write themselves.

Posted by: Fizz at March 31, 2012 05:27 PM (Cb3rV)

442

"God, first class, people stare as they think you are some one. I love it"

mmm hmmm...

http://tinyurl.com/8a7rdx9

Posted by: 66chevelle at March 31, 2012 05:31 PM (QjSgY)

443 pfft. the first thing he'd do would be whatever the first thing Obama would do.

The media told Republican voters to vote for Romney and the Republican voters said, "OK!".

Posted by: thejerk at March 31, 2012 05:31 PM (X//fL)

444 He needs to remind the people that unemployment will surge for a while because all those gd dumb-ass fat public union workers will be thrown out in the fucking streets begging for food and BJs.

Posted by: Corona at March 31, 2012 05:40 PM (fh2Y7)

445 I like it.  Blame the shit out on Zero and reid and the 'rats.  W/o whining. 
Theme:  The US is greater than they said and we will prove it.  Together.  If you're not with us, get out of the way. You progressive losers had your chance and it stank worse than Mizz Fluck's panties after a normal day at law school.

Posted by: eureka! at March 31, 2012 06:30 PM (DONKv)

446 Meh. Romney won't win.

Posted by: Sad Dad at March 31, 2012 07:07 PM (QyMDY)

447 Romney = Obama

The 2 party system is a scam. It is 1 party. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu74c

Posted by: thejerk at March 31, 2012 07:08 PM (X//fL)

448 38 "Who could've imagined we'd be fighting Communists in 2012... from within." Sarah Palin, among others. But then, she was probably just emoting. Cause that's what girls do. Have I got that right there Ace of Spuds?

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Lord Collingwood (Mentioned in Dispatches) at April 01, 2012 01:34 AM (Uh+y6)

449 Because I live in a so called swing state, I intend to vote straight GOPe. But that does not mean I support that empty suit. He better grow a pair quickly. Oh yeah, the reason my state is now a swing state is because we had a booming economy, low taxes, tort reform, and a great business climate UNITL the democrats and RINO squishes started moving here in droves and started electing democrats and RINO squishes. We are now on the fast track to Detroit status.

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Lord Collingwood (Mentioned in Dispatches) at April 01, 2012 01:42 AM (Uh+y6)

450 "When Romney wins, I will laugh at your tears, TdP. And I'm a Perry guy." Yeah, a Perry guy is rooting for Romney when Perry endorsed Gingrich, who is still in the race. You won't be laughing at shit. Romney is below the Mendoza line with a 17-year career run of 5-18. Nobody likes him. Compare his political stats with Obama's and it's laughable. This isn't even a fair fight. The establishment has signaled they like all the authoritarian shit Obama has crammed down our throats by running a cigar store Indian who tacitly supports his un-American policies.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 01, 2012 07:52 AM (jIZvD)

451 At this point, the greatest service Mittens could perform for his country would be to drop dead.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at April 01, 2012 09:10 AM (+XVQe)

452 448 Romney will lay off 20% of the work force and raid the retirement fund. Then he will put the country up for sale at a 30% premium. Then he can retire with his gains to whatever state or country he considers his home.

Posted by: Huggy at March 31, 2012 08:48 PM (GC1AZ)

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Laying off 20% of fed workers is a bad thing? And there is no retirement fund to raid.

Posted by: torabora at April 03, 2012 11:33 AM (e15j6)

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