1 You wake up this early?

2 I demand a map

3 Did it work?

4 Bold, very bold.  Everything on the front page, too.

5 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

6 forget a /i in those brackets?

7 We all know Walker is gonna win in a walk.Ya know how? Basically the Unions seem to have thrown in the towel.

8 /b, it's early.

9 Obviously the Wisconsin state Dems aren't nearly as proficient at the art of propaganda as their national brethren.

10 I don't know if I can handle content before 1 o'clock.

11 I did an internal pole this morning too.

Tee hee!

12 How much money did the unions and dem's spend on this recall?  He he he he

13 here is a fine example of a worthless poll that is done for propaganda and not true polling. Newspaper and news polls are always the most biased and most worthless polls there are.

http://is.gd/ChSoeg

14 Unions are not popular anymore.  Around where I live there are about 6 or 7 businesses that have signs saying they stand with Walker and only one place on 12 that has recall Walker signs.  At UW-Stout several PhD types also have recall stickers which makes me question their intelligence.

15 I just had an interesting experience with a purported conservative who is also a big tree hugger, don't so much as kill stinging insects with a difference of opinion on whether a horse rescue should have exterminated invading prairie dogs.   All I can say is hang on come November when the hard core Ozombies get rejected.   Folks in WI will get an early taste in June. 

16 Obviously the Wisconsin state Dems aren't nearly as proficient at the art of propaganda as their national brethren.>>

I would guess it is just more difficult to intimidate armed drunkards.

17 >>Basically the Unions seem to have thrown in the towel.

Until they count the votes.  I'm pretty sure the seventeen people registered to vote at each empty lot are motivated to show up.

18 How much money did the unions and dem's spend on this recall? He he he he

Not as much as they forced the state to waste by going through with this foolishness.

19 How much money did the unions and dem's spend on this recall? He he he he Not as much as they forced the state to waste by going through with this foolishness. Posted by: Deathknyte at May 23, 2012 09:12 AM (MmXtR) The Party that forces an recall should be held responsible financially if they do not prevail.

20 Well, that sound you hear is a million keyboards suffering the frenzied attempts of the left to "re-frame" WI as:
"Not a big deal,"
"We knew we were going to lose anyway,"
"There was no way we were going to be able to outspend the Koch Brothers,"
"The whole point of the recall was to send a message, and on that, we won,"
"Obama is still popular in WI anyway,"
 "This has no bearing on the November elections." 

21 The Party that forces an recall should be held responsible financially if they do not prevail.

Good idea, too bad nobody thought of that when they made the recall election laws.

22 Good idea, too bad nobody thought of that when they made the recall election laws.

Actually, it's not a good idea.  The problem is how easy it is to have a recall in the first place, and how hard it is to have time to vet the recall petition signatures.

If those processes were rational, you wouldn't have frivolous recalls like this.

23 I will always remember a 'Tampa Tribune" poll showing Jeb Bush tied, Dead Even,  with some fat Demo libtard the weekend before his first run for gov


Jeb won by fifteen points

24 Well, I live very near Madison and work in town so am kinda, almost, sorta thinking that the money is nearly worth it to see the anger and disappointment on June 6th. Hopefully, it's a preview of Nivember, too.

25

What about the Senate recalls? Are we hoping a walker victory would result in the senate races going our way via the coat-tail effect?

26 I think the senate will go our way but none of them are near enough that I hear much.

27

Feedback Type: Complaint

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URL: http://articles.marketwatch.com/ 2012-05-22/commentary/ 31802270_1_spending-federal-budget-drunken-sailor

Problem: The story has one major flaw. It based the entire premise on FY2009 being Bush's last budget. History tells us the FY2009 was delayed by a Democratic Congress with continuing resolutions so it could be "porked up" and signed by a Democratic President Obama.

28 Let's not all start polishing our porpoises, gentlemen.

29 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 23, 2012 09:18 AM (8y9MW)

Okay, describe a rational recall process.

The issue is that if it is up to the legislature to approve the recall, it becomes overtly partisan. If it is left up to the judiciary then we will have the prospect of some idiot activist judge deciding that being anti-abortion or pro-charter schools is recall worthy.

Agreed that the bar should be high, but where to set the bar, and who gets to hold it?

30 Is Larry 'Bud' Mellmann still around?  I wasn't aware he also did polling.

31 screw this... i'm going back to bed.

but, before i do, i'd like to point out that Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

32 >>Okay, describe a rational recall process.

Have they been bribed or committed a crime or some other gross negligence (i.e., hiding in Illinois instead of coming into work)?

Then you're stuck with them until you vote them out at the end of their term.  QED.

33 Nobody get the wrong impression here- everyone needs to vote like we are down here. But with that intensity we can push Walker to a resounding victory instead of a squeaker. As for State Senate recalls yes the hope is a coattails effect. The last polling had Waangard very close, the rest pretty out of reach for the Democrats.

34 Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at May 23, 2012 09:31 AM (/kI1Q)

Bribery and other obvious crimes are not the issue. Your second example is perfect though.

A). Leaving the state to prevent a vote is a legitimate expression of one's beliefs, is similar to a filibuster, and should not be penalized.

B). Leaving the state is a gross violation of the responsibilities of a legislator, and by violating the compact with the voters to represent them faithfully he has voided his position as representative.

Who decides which is correct?

35 Wausheka - the highwater mark of Socialism in America TShirts are coming

36

Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2012 09:32 AM (C3KwS)

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Lots of shenannigans coming to surface Re the 1-million Wis. signatures. Wish I could remember where I read about it.  To call the recall effort a mandate would be to call Obama humble.

37 The whole idea of recall elections is a subversion or representative democracy where there are fixed terms of office.

Within the American system of government the only places they would seem to fit in was with regard to United States Senators back when they were elected by the state legislatures as representatives of the state government and some state judicial positions.

38 Okay, describe a rational recall process.

Well, for starters, let's look into the idea of requiring recalls to be for criminal/unethical conduct- not policies you don't like.  Let the petitioners take it to court first (where they have to pay all their own legal fees) and convince- say- the State Supreme Court that the recall is over behavior and not policy. 

Note that I would not require that the behavior be explicitly criminal- numerous ethics complaints would do (yes, that can be gamed, too, but it's a start), and I'm not saying they have to prove the behavior- but they do have to have at least enough evidence that a court wouldn't just dismiss the case.

Then, and only then, can the recall petitions go out. 

Once they are received, give a much more reasonable period to review them- say 4 - 6 weeks, minimum, and another few weeks beyond that for challenges/appeals.

The fact is that sometimes a recall is justified- but when your side loses isn't one of those times.

39 B). Leaving the state is a gross violation of the responsibilities of a legislator, and by violating the compact with the voters to represent them faithfully he has voided his position as representative.

The State Supreme Court.  Alternatively- a special panel of citizens, much like a Grand Jury.

40 I believe there should be a recall process for non-criminal matters. This time though, an already weakly controlled process was subverted by the State authority which was responsible for certifying the petition.


It was shown that a huge number of the signatures were flagrantly bogus with names like Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck and the person responsible said he wasn't going to challenge them.  He said Walker would be responsible for going through the lists and challenging each one individually.

Yes, he was bought and paid for by the unions.

41 The public "internal" polls don't matter. What does matter, though, is the huge GOTV effort the Dems are employing in WI and it's already paying huge dividends. Mark Belling spent two hours yesterday talking about trying to go and vote and not bothering because the lines were so long due to WI JOBS NOW vans dropping off Dems to vote for Barrett. Walker has zero GOTV effort, just lame TV ads that won't sway anyone at this late date. If Walker loses, it will be because they didn't feel boots-on-the-ground were important.

42 Election day in WI is, in reality, two weeks long and the state GOP better start taking advantage of that like the Dems do.

43 35 A). Leaving the state to prevent a vote is a legitimate expression of one's beliefs, is similar to a filibuster, and should not be penalized.

B). Leaving the state is a gross violation of the responsibilities of a legislator, and by violating the compact with the voters to represent them faithfully he has voided his position as representative.

Who decides which is correct?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 23, 2012 09:36 AM (nEUpB)

 

CBD, I would argue that leaving the state is NOT similar to a fillibuster.   A fillibuster requires    physical and mental exertion.     It requires the minority party to have a representative willing to stand up in front of     fellow delegates and speak for a long time.   That    ain't easy.       It's    designed that way so that it will only be used in instances where the speaker and/or the speaker's party are VERY solid in their oppositional stance    to the issue at hand.      You're not going to fillibuster for a day and a half over a minor quibble.

 

If the Fleebaggers had     fillibustered     in WI,     or   used a similar legislative process,      it would have been understandable.   Frustrating, yes, but     legitimate.     But they didn't do that.   They took the "easy" way out and physically removed themselves from the process,    which required no more effort than it takes to arrange a week-long stay at the Holiday Inn across the border.      That is a clear abdication of their duties as elected representatives of the people.    They didn't fight for their voters or their party;   they turned tail and ran and hoped that Walker & Co. would     throw in the towel in frustration.

44 I see the new Greg incarnation has wondered in. ALL those buses for Barrett ray? 457 total early votes in Milwaukee for Monday, that was for the entire day the early voting was open. And if the GOTV efforts by the GOP were so terrible, why all the moaning by WIDems over the massive R effort? You posted weeks ago that Barrett would zoom ahead if he won the primary. He didn't. Looks like AJ has a new identity folks.

45

Mark Belling spent two hours yesterday talking about trying to go and vote and not bothering because the lines were so long due to WI JOBS NOW vans dropping off Dems to vote for Barrett.

 

Back in 1980, I was eligible to vote for the first time in an election.  I STILL remember waiting in line for over an hour to cast my vote - the only time to this day that I have ever had to wait to vote.

 

Believe me, there wasn't a person there who stepped out of line because "it was too long" - we all wanted to make sure that Jimmy Carter got to spend more time with his family.

 

The people who are going to vote for Walker have a fire in their belly, and they are the ones who will wait as long as it takes to cast their vote.

46 I am sick and tired of these motherfuckin trolls on this motherfuckin blog!! 

47 Concern trolls are the worst. Yes, Dems are busing. They always do. They did in 2010 and 2011 and we are supposed to start shivering over this now?

48 Don't call me Shirley.

49

This post might give people the wrong impression.  Internal polls are generally far more accurate than the crap published by the media.  In recent years, the ability to poll at micro-levels has improved dramatically.  You can see the results of this type of polling in the early retirements of people in congress and the senate before wasting money on campaigns and in mega donors on the left choosing to sit out this cycle.

 

It is correct that some campaigns will use doctored internal polls to show the situation isnÂ’t hopeless to encourage donors and try to drum up supporters.  Just because they are lying, donÂ’t confuse this with not having the ability to poll accurately.

50 "Fake Explicit Image of S.E. Cupp Reportedly Appears in Hustler (Graphic)" http://tinyurl.com/7m8n4ac

Saw this and immediately clicked into beck radio.  It appears he is speaking to a very very very upset SE now....

51 you don't listen to beck....

52 After the Tea Party went up against the GOP establishment in support of losing causes (O'Donnell and Angle), the establishment turned on them viciously. However, despite the waste of time the recall effort seems to be turning into, the lefty unionists behind it will be welcomed back into the Democrat fold without so much as a harsh word.

53

Want to know what the real internal polls are saying?  Look at where the campaigns (and the larger PACs) are spending money.  Check where the campaigns are putting paid staffers and running ads.

 

Example:  Michigan is being sold in the MSM polls as either solid or leans democrat – not even a toss up state.  If this were true, Obama wouldnÂ’t waste any money or time on the state.  However, his campaign has the third largest contingency of paid staffers there.  That indicates the internals show a panic situation.

54 52 you don't listen to beck....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 23, 2012 10:22 AM (Ho2rs)

Every time you pick up your fingers to type you prove your inadequacy in the mental arts

55 Well it sure has Allahpundit over at HotAir shitting his pants.  No wait, he gets diarrhea over any MSM poll that comes down the pike showing Republicans losing.

Dude is the biggest constant freakout I have ever seen.  They need to replace the Debbie Downer character on SNL with Allahpundit.

56 but we got that Valerie Plame whistle blower damn it.

57 You know why I love that pic in Hustler so much?  I'll give you a hint: cock.

58 It's easier to go farther in academia being a ghey black from Kenya than an intellect from the US.

59 It's easier to go farther in academia being a ghey black from Kenya than an intellect from the US.

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Especially when you're not much of an "intellect" to begin with.

60 CAC, got a question since you are resident poll guru. Caught a bit of Special Report last night, they had alleged state by state polls that showed Obama eating Romney's lunch. About the same numbers you have for Obama but only 91 for Romney, with the leans and toss-ups about a 3-way split. Do you know what kind of data they used? I'm guessing registered instead of likely for starters, they listed NC as toss-up, for example. My first reaction was liberal cocoon spread to Fox, but next was concern that projections here are rosier than deserved. Thoughts?

61 Crank - 40 percent of Democrats won't vote Obama in a primary and he's beating Mitt handily?

Sure, makes sense.

62

Crank,  You may have been looking at Karl RoveÂ’s election map.  That has public polls from the pre-primary days, so some of the numbers are comparing how Obama would do against Newt and others.

 

Rove uses this lagging indicator map to help his fundraising for the PAC. 

63 It should be noted that internal polls are probably very accurate....but never get published. Internal polls that are RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC are almost always bunk because those doing it are usually desperate. My guess is that this is not the only internal WI Dems commissioned and any others are telling them what we all know: Barrett is going down hard.

64 Lying about internal polls is simply a given.

That being said, there is an unfortunate group of conservatives that constantly have this mantra of ignoring polls.

When several polls from several different polling firms say the same thing, only an idiot would ignore that for their "gut" feeling. 

I remember how many conservatives were saying the polls were wrong on Obama vs McCain, yet the RCP average of polling before election night was dead on to nearly a tenth of a percentage point.

65 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.