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December 15, 2012

The Names
— Slublog

The list, via the New York Times:

There were heroes to remember among the victims.

Also, our media? They're disgraceful, shameful, awful human beings. The word 'jackals' comes to mind.

Finally, where there are no words, there's always music. I've always loved this song.

Again, if you've got kids, give them an extra hug or two tonight morons.

Posted by: Slublog at 04:01 PM | Comments (218)
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1 it's the ages too, too much

Posted by: soothsayer at December 15, 2012 04:03 PM (ZgBZU)

2 I'm right there with you, soothsayer. I've got three kids. My oldest daughter is six, my younger daughter has the same first name as one of the victims. This one hits hard.

Posted by: Slublog at December 15, 2012 04:04 PM (SjVZP)

3 No sight in the world worse than a little coffin.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 15, 2012 04:06 PM (xIRXC)

4 Dear God.

Posted by: Who Knows at December 15, 2012 04:08 PM (W+Itt)

5 Howie Carr mentioned how young they were and then said..."so sad...they were so little...so close to Christmas... they were still young enough to believe in Santa Claus..." That's when it hit me.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 15, 2012 04:10 PM (k+YdJ)

6 I don't want to see the names yet. I really don't. Or, maybe I think it'll be too much.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 15, 2012 04:10 PM (w+hCD)

7 so so sad.

Posted by: trailortrash at December 15, 2012 04:11 PM (xllDV)

May God hold each in His mighty hand and comfort them. May He give peace to the familes. And may He give charge over the slain children to the stout-hearted Vicky Soto, whose bravery saved so many.

And may the perpetrator be forgotten on Earth, and thrown into the hottest corner of Hell for this demonic act.

Posted by: Jeffersonian at December 15, 2012 04:12 PM (gxCRt)

9 A legal analyst on CNN actually said there were no gun laws outside of total ban that could have prevented this. I'm sure he'll never be invited back. No place for logic and reason in the MFM. Yesterday Wolf asked everyone one of his guest what could be done and you could almost here him aching for someone to say "tighter gun laws". None, surprisingly, obliged his fetish. This morning Soledad interviewed a representative from CA and ended the segment by saying "guns did this". She thinks guns are icky and there is no good reason for you to own one. And tonight a reporter and Wolf nearly had testicular hernias wondering why Ms Lanza owned the guns in the first place. See, you owe them a reason. Answers must be given because they are the enlightened ones and they are owed explanations. Total ban....that's what they want and they're going to use this as a push to get it.

Posted by: The Hammer at December 15, 2012 04:13 PM (x9oN6)

10 It's too much to take in....I can't even fathom how someone could do this. It boggles the mind. So young.....

Posted by: Tami at December 15, 2012 04:13 PM (X6akg)

11 Death came marching and on its heels
Came the vulture press

The blood was still in flow and warm
They photographed the mess

Before the parents were alarmed
They'd filed a thousand stories

This day of horror for us all
They see their greatest glory

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at December 15, 2012 04:14 PM (BAnPT)

12 Seriously, my brain can't comprehend numbers like "6". It's like doing algebra on LSD or something. I don't know if I'll ever be able to.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 15, 2012 04:15 PM (Qxdfp)

13 My mom has Nancy Grace on right now, and the cow is smearing the blood all over herself and screaming on "what we know" based on still unconfirmed reports

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 04:15 PM (wwsoB)

14 Already hugged my kid more times than I can count since yesterday. I thought the same thing about Christmas and Santa Claus. I also feel terrible for the parents, who probably have all the Christmas presents bought, wrapped and stashed away for their little ones. Absolutely terrible, I can't even imagine.

Posted by: yinzer at December 15, 2012 04:15 PM (2GZPT)

15 13 - Nancy Grace is the cow, not my mom!.. wanted to clarify

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 04:16 PM (wwsoB)

16 Thoughts and prayers to friends and families of those lost.

Posted by: Darth Randall at December 15, 2012 04:16 PM (lxc0s)

17 O God, O Father in Heaven, deliver us from evil.

Posted by: Hopeless at December 15, 2012 04:17 PM (d3X9n)

18 Remember the Jonesboro massacre in '98? It had a much lower body count, but the striking thing was that the shooters were 11 and 13 years old. The adult mortal victim that day was a teacher who saved a student from being shot, and not only was she the mother of a young child, she was also pregnant. R.I.P.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2012 04:17 PM (LMgaP)

19 People want "an answer" that will "fix things" so something bad will "never happen again." One of the great pains in life is that there is no such answer. The gift of wisdom is to do what you can and accept that it won't be perfect.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 15, 2012 04:17 PM (bxiXv)

22 children stabbed in school today, Sunday 12/15; http://cbsn.ws/VG44Qt

Posted by: RecklessProcess at December 15, 2012 04:18 PM (f7ylG)

21 Someone on the radio mentioned that saying about God never giving you something you can't handle, and then he said that's crap, see if it's true for all those mothers right now. On Thursday I would've disagreed with him, but today I do not. I'm not sure where that saying comes from but now I don't like it. It also presumes, wrongly I believe, that God "gives" us these tragedies. I dunno. I dunno anything anymore. Does anyone know?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 15, 2012 04:18 PM (vanqS)

22 I also feel terrible for the parents, who probably have all the Christmas presents bought, wrapped and stashed away for their little ones. Absolutely terrible, I can't even imagine.

I thought of that as well. Awful.

Posted by: Slublog at December 15, 2012 04:18 PM (SjVZP)

23 It sounds terrible to say this, but my first reaction upon hearing the news yesterday was not sorrow for the children and their families, but fear and anger about how the totalitarian statists will exploit this act of savagery to push their agenda. Because we all know whatÂ’s coming. They are rubbing their hands and cackling with glee right now. I hate those evil bastards for making me think that way.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2012 04:18 PM (sdi6R)

24 Well when the Philips cult aka Westboro "baptist church" shows up at the funerals the media vultures will have to show how evil they are as they will be outside still looking for the evil gun that got away as that is the only way to stop it next time.

Posted by: Trevor (@tjexcite) at December 15, 2012 04:18 PM (Ea64Y)

25 Nancy DisGrace

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 15, 2012 04:20 PM (K3B0+)

26 No mind that would kill twenty small defenseless children in cold blood is going to be swayed by gun laws

The simple narrow minds of the MSM can't comprehend it, neither can we, so they must smear the blood of the dead on themselves and scream for the government to DO SOMETHING

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 04:20 PM (wwsoB)

27 24 Well when the Philips cult aka Westboro "baptist church" shows up at the funerals the media vultures will have to show how evil they are as they will be outside still looking for the evil gun that got away as that is the only way to stop it next time. Posted by: Trevor (@tjexcite) at December 15, 2012 08:18 PM (Ea64Y) --You do know that Philips is a Democrat and his "church" is probably just a double agent operation to smear all legitimate churches by association right?

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2012 04:20 PM (LMgaP)

28 Not Philips, Phelps.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2012 04:21 PM (LMgaP)

29 I also feel terrible for the parents, who probably have all the
Christmas presents bought, wrapped and stashed away for their little
ones. Absolutely terrible, I can't even imagine.

I thought of that as well. Awful.

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Same here, as well. I was out doing last minute Christmas shopping today with Mr. Black. We'd be going about our day, talking, laughing about this or that....and then my thoughts would revert back to these little children, and their grieving parents so full of sorrow that I can't even imagine. I laid in bed last night thinking of them. I woke up and thought of those parents. May God heal their aching souls.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 15, 2012 04:22 PM (lTVJy)

30 Bless the little angels and welcome into your loving arms. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pLLMzr3PFgk

Posted by: Spypeach at December 15, 2012 04:23 PM (pwTow)

31 They are rubbing their hands and cackling with glee right now. Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2012 08:18 PM (sdi6R) Actually they're sighing and clucking and thinking they can "fix it," which is worse, because they can't ever be stopped from trying to "help," no matter how much they fail, because they *know* in their hearts they're doing the right thing. It doesn't matter if it doesn't work, it doesn't matter if it does more harm than good, it doesn't matter if it ends in secessions or battles or civil war. It doesn't matter if it ends in crushed rights or pogroms or camps... ...because they *know* in their *hearts* they're *right*, no matter what happens. It is a kind of madness.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 15, 2012 04:23 PM (bxiXv)

32 Curled up on the sofa with my little first grade pixie, watching some goofy Barbie movie we've watched a million times. I could not get home to my girls fast enough last night. My heart breaks for those parents.

Posted by: Ruby at December 15, 2012 04:23 PM (vt4Ip)

33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1lnSi7QWY8

The original version from 1971. This is the one.

Posted by: Corona at December 15, 2012 04:24 PM (fh2Y7)

34 British television uses this song as a requiem a lot;

Brian Eno - An Ending (Ascent)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKw5mbcE7VY

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 04:24 PM (wwsoB)

35 I wish no one would ever go through the pain these families is going through - but I know they will. It does tend to make one feel helpless. Which is a kind of madness, too.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 15, 2012 04:24 PM (bxiXv)

36 I got to go see a Christmas light festival with my 6 y/o niece last night. I hugged her so hard she had to tell me to stop.

Posted by: sybilll at December 15, 2012 04:26 PM (VtpXu)

37 21...no Scripture that says that. In fact, you can argue God uses things we can't handle (not causes, uses) to get us to seek His help.

Posted by: The Hammer at December 15, 2012 04:26 PM (x9oN6)

38 The main heartache of the MSM right now is that Lanza was not a Tim McVeigh or other wacko Stormfront type who they could club anyone to the right of Sean Penn with

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 04:27 PM (wwsoB)

39 That's when it hit me.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 15, 2012 08:10 PM (k+YdJ)

Wish I hadn't read that, Sooth.

I pray that there are indeed levels of Hell and that this miserable piece of garbage masquerading as a human being spends eternity in torment beyond belief in the lowest level.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 15, 2012 04:27 PM (Cnqmv)

40 One of the hymns played at my grandfather's funeral: On Eagle's Wings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvpjxfWrjzY

What I want at mine: Shepherd Me, Oh God:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmFM4jZasvs

Catholic music has gotten pretty lousy over the past few decades, but these are beautiful.

Posted by: Palandine[/i] at December 15, 2012 04:27 PM (g7D8V)

Posted by: soothsayer at December 15, 2012 08:18 PM (vanqS)

That's because that's not what the Bible says. It says we won't be *tempted* beyond what we can bear, not that the pain and horrors in life won't be too much for us to bear on our own.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 15, 2012 04:28 PM (wbeNt)

42 "I hate those evil bastards for making me think that way."

Yep. Every.damned.thing. gets politicized--they've done it all along, but oh, shame on the other side if they do it.

Bastards. Bet they pull another midnight session to ram some bullshit legislation through on Christmas Eve....for the chhhiiiiilllddrrennnnnnn. (Too bad that wouldn't be "unprecedented.")

Posted by: JeanQueenie at December 15, 2012 04:28 PM (Gmp2Z)

43 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 15, 2012 08:23 PM (bxiXv)

They think justice is possible. They think mankind is perfectible.

It's the most tragic and horrible lie one can believe.

In this case and many others, I think they know full well they can't do anything to "fix it", but they want that self-righteous feeling of thinking that they've done something. It's about their own need to feel important, not about the innocent victims.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 15, 2012 04:29 PM (T0NGe)

Looking for answers where there are none is a waste of time.

I can't imagine the pain of those affected by this tragedy.

Posted by: Ronster at December 15, 2012 04:30 PM (JgkPs)

45 Thanks to Slu for the post. I was going to try to write something sympathetic and important and insert myself into this conversation. Don't have the words, can't pretend to understand. Beauty instead: http://tinyurl.com/czex4c7

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 15, 2012 04:31 PM (lJJMb)

46 I'll be perfectly happy to tie this blindfold a little tighter while the good folks of Sandy Hook take care of the Westboro Baptist church.

Posted by: Lady Justice at December 15, 2012 04:31 PM (mjR67)

47 thanks for clarifying, Poli and Hammer that makes more sense

Posted by: soothsayer at December 15, 2012 04:31 PM (YOvzn)

48 Someone on the radio mentioned that saying about God never giving you something you can't handle, and then he said that's crap, see if it's true for all those mothers right now.

I have thought that for some years now. I don't know what it means. I don't want to be an asshole, but I have srsly questioned what the Big Guy is up to and why.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2012 04:33 PM (kpCLl)

49 The main heartache of the MSM right now is that Lanza was not a Tim McVeigh or other wacko Stormfront type

I'm working on fixing that as we speak. The changes should all be done by Monday.

Posted by: Winston Smith at December 15, 2012 04:33 PM (G0eua)

50 McVeigh was a leftist.

Posted by: Butters at December 15, 2012 04:34 PM (NIZHJ)

51 38 The main heartache of the MSM right now is that Lanza was not a Tim McVeigh or other wacko Stormfront type who they could club anyone to the right of Sean Penn with Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 08:27 PM (wwsoB) You know it.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 15, 2012 04:34 PM (tjIIL)

52 I think I heard yesterday that Obama said he was going to "correct this". Does he intend to raise the dead? I don't have the exact quote, because I no longer watch TV and I have no wish to watch him on the internet, either.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2012 04:36 PM (sdi6R)

53 Seeing the ages just got to me in a way that posting the names did not. I am having trouble seeing the screen. I don't think I will watch any more "news" this weekend.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 15, 2012 04:36 PM (Cnqmv)

54 If Westborough shows up at these funerals, I don't see it ending well for them.

Posted by: Winston Smith at December 15, 2012 04:36 PM (G0eua)

55 We all do, Peaches, from time to time.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 15, 2012 04:36 PM (YOvzn)

56 Too many 6's and 7's among those ages. Can't bring myself to attach names to ages. Not yet.

Posted by: L, elle at December 15, 2012 04:37 PM (0PiQ4)

I'm in CT, the CT morons should get together to hold back the Westboro freaks from bothering those families when they say goodbye to their babies.

Since this happened I can't seem to do anything. I'm just sitting here no motivation to get up and accomplish something. I just can't. I can't help but cry everytime I think of these little ones and how they were taken from us.

Posted by: Jaimo at December 15, 2012 04:37 PM (ulzt7)

58 Thanks, soothsayer, but those times are coming closer and closer together. After 11/6, I was unable even to speak to Him. Had to force myself. Still kinda doing that, truth be told. I don't like it.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2012 04:37 PM (kpCLl)

59 McVeigh was a leftist.

Posted by: Butters at December 15, 2012 08:34 PM (NIZHJ)

True but inaccurate as far as the MFM are concerned!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 15, 2012 04:37 PM (Cnqmv)

60 The horror those children went through is incomprehensible, as is the evil of someone who did that.

No news "analyst" can either, and any who pretend they can is not only a stupid person, but an exploiter to boot

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 04:38 PM (wwsoB)

61 Another shooting tonight (in a mall parking lot in LA). One woman injured due to panicking people http://tinyurl.com/chjvf8t

Posted by: Baldy at December 15, 2012 04:39 PM (opS9C)

62 Sooth, God permits evil so that good may come of it. In this way, each of the irrevocably heartbroken mothers has their hearts united with the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and the Sacred Heart of Jesus. For she endured the death of her innocent son before her eyes, and he though innocent suffered for the salvation of mankind. These things are, as they should be, a wake up call to our nation. We have turned our backs on God, and have abandoned His ways for the ways of evil. 20 kids were killed. 3000 more were aborted.

Posted by: Hopeless at December 15, 2012 04:40 PM (QRf5S)

63 They think mankind is perfectible. It's the most tragic and horrible lie one can believe. In this case and many others, I think they know full well they can't do anything to "fix it", but they want that self-righteous feeling of thinking that they've done something. It's about their own need to feel important, not about the innocent victims. Posted by: AmishDude at December 15, 2012 08:29 PM (T0NGe) Perfect description. I so loathe those bastards.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 15, 2012 04:40 PM (tjIIL)

64 First thing I did last night was give my two little ones big hugs. I've avoided the news. I don't need to hear the depravity that happened there. God Bless the Children. Â“See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven." And they were bringing children to him that he might touch them, and the disciples rebuked them. But when Jesus saw it, he was indignant and said to them, Â“Let the children come to me; do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.Â” And he took them in his arms and blessed them, laying his hands on them. What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go in search of the one that went astray? And if he finds it, truly, I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine that never went astray. So it is not the will of my Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.

Posted by: deadite at December 15, 2012 04:40 PM (8YVZT)

65 kb, the children's horror is over. The parents' horror has just begun and I don't think it will ever end for them. How do they go on? Their lives are irretrievably broken.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2012 04:40 PM (kpCLl)

66 The word is not "jackal." The word is "ghoul"--one who eats the flesh of the dead.

Posted by: Steve Poling at December 15, 2012 04:41 PM (db5YN)

67 I agree Peaches, I've been questioning everything lately. The direction of the Country, this senseless violence, all of it. Why? Will all of this bring us back to him, eventually? I don't know. I know I did the Baptist church thing when I was young until I was 18 or 19 then just stopped going. I didn't like feeling vulnerable and needing a church, church isn't essential to faith. I might have been wrong.

Posted by: Jaimo at December 15, 2012 04:42 PM (ulzt7)

68 It ain't about 'fixing'. It ain't about feelings. It's about control. Control, and only control. Once they control each of us 24/7/365, they won't have to pretend to give a rat's ass if 6 year-olds die. And, yes, I hate them for being like that.

Posted by: EROWMER at December 15, 2012 04:43 PM (kxlCQ)

69 61 Another shooting tonight (in a mall parking lot in LA). One woman injured due to panicking people http://tinyurl.com/chjvf8t Posted by: Baldy at December 15, 2012 08:39 PM

Mall shootings on a Saturday night in LA are as common as traffic on the 405

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 04:43 PM (wwsoB)

70 i'd like to comment on the vulture media situation. i had to run out this afternoon and head up church hill, the main st through the village of sandy hook, literally 30 plus satellite trucks 100s of cameras and generators/ light towers. i understand the need for info but everything you said friday was wrong, and interviewing children is fucked up. now we just got word the westboro morons are coming and the president will be here tomorrow. go the fuck home. enough with stopping people who are obviously distraught on the sidewalk.

Posted by: evil Libertarian at December 15, 2012 04:43 PM (Xcb5k)

71 I'm in CT, the CT morons should get together to hold back the Westboro freaks from bothering those families when they say goodbye to their babies.

I can't get over Westboro. I never thought I'd see anything like it. They're a cancer and all they're doing is milking our legal system.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 15, 2012 04:43 PM (T0NGe)

72 I don't like it.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2012 08:37 PM (kpCLl)

I don't think you are alone. I have felt more adrift without an anchor recently (11/6 comes to mind) than I think I have ever felt in my entire lifetime. Very little makes sense anymore, and nothing seems to be "good" in my life or the life of my country. This tragedy is just more fuel for the fire that seems to be raging around us.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 15, 2012 04:43 PM (Cnqmv)

73 I truly don't know, Peaches. I watch my parents struggle with the death of my brother. He was 27 and at least had a chance at life. My mother says you have to learn to live with a lifelong broken heart.

Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2012 04:44 PM (mjR67)

74 Thank you for posting Aranjuez. One of my favorite pieces of music. And completely in keeping since 2nd movement about loss of a child.

Posted by: Jules at December 15, 2012 04:44 PM (JGqgw)

75 Mall shootings on a Saturday night in LA are as common as traffic on the 405

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 08:43 PM (wwsoB)

It was Fashion Island in Newport Beach, kb. Not LA at all. Not even close.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2012 04:45 PM (kpCLl)

We will pray for you, too.

Posted by: Compostella Valley Philippines lost 800 souls including our kids at December 15, 2012 04:45 PM (Yf4MJ)

77 I am not watching the coverage. It's been said the families want their privacy--I won't then be an accomplice to the media in pouring salt in their wounds. What do we need to know? A mentally ill, evil monster, who in a civilized world would be locked up in a mental ward and writing letters home in crayon, destroyed scores of precious, innocent lives before ending himself. Do I have it about right?

Posted by: Palandine[/i] at December 15, 2012 04:47 PM (g7D8V)

78 I have to admit the school shooting that really affected me profoundly was the Amish school.

Posted by: Baldy at December 15, 2012 04:47 PM (opS9C)

79 I am so sorry for your loss, no good deed. God bless you and your family.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2012 04:47 PM (kpCLl)

80 65 kb, the children's horror is over. The parents' horror has just begun and I don't think it will ever end for them. How do they go on? Their lives are irretrievably broken.
Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2012 08:40 PM

This wasn't a big town, that class was probably every 6 year old child in Newtown CT, population 1500

The parents right now are in shock I would imagine. The really bad shit for them is yet to come, after all those around have left and they're alone. Whenever they see a young child on the street somewhere

6 or 16, it's hell for a parent to lose a child

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 04:47 PM (wwsoB)

81 It was Fashion Island in Newport Beach, kb. Not LA at all. Not even close.
Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2012 08:45 PM

Haven't been to that one, but that would be a bit unexpected for Newport Beach

One year they were happening almost every weekend in the West Valley malls.

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 04:49 PM (wwsoB)

82 This wasn't a big town, that class was probably every 6 year old child in Newtown CT, population 1500

According to the news stories, the population is 27,000. I lived in the next town over (Brookfield) for several years as a child. My cousins lived in Newtown for quite a while when they were growing up. The whole area is very bucolic and beautiful and SAFE. There is just no way something like this could ever happen. And, yet, it did.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2012 04:50 PM (kpCLl)

83 70 evil Libertarian i'd like to comment on the vulture media situation. i had to run out this afternoon and head up church hill, the main st through the village of sandy hook, literally 30 plus satellite trucks 100s of cameras and generators/ light towers. i understand the need for info but everything you said friday was wrong, and interviewing children is fucked up. now we just got word the westboro morons are coming and the president will be here tomorrow. go the fuck home. enough with stopping people who are obviously distraught on the sidewalk. This is why I much prefer the internet to the MFM. Actual on-the-spot reports from real people, rather than highly-paid professional ghouls.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2012 04:50 PM (sdi6R)

84 Horrible things have been happening in this world ever since we stood up on two feet. The gun violence in this country compared to the population is pretty low. We have it very good in this country. Better than other times and places.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 15, 2012 04:51 PM (jWwDJ)

85 OMG. Obama can't WAIT a few days to visit? He has to do it this weekend? What a ghoul he is.

Posted by: Baldy at December 15, 2012 04:51 PM (opS9C)

86 My Mom and bio Father lost my brother when he was 4 years old. He was hit by a dump truck. Ran out in the street to meet up with the babsitter and me (I was 1 year old at the time) at the park. Mom got that call at work. She was always sad, it affected her. They had another child to try and replace him and then promptly divorced.

Posted by: Jaimo at December 15, 2012 04:52 PM (ulzt7)

87 According to the news stories, the population is 27,000. I lived in the next town over (Brookfield) for several years as a child. My cousins lived in Newtown for quite a while when they were growing up. The whole area is very bucolic and beautiful and SAFE. There is just no way something like this could ever happen. And, yet, it did.
Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2012 08:50 PM

I always keep in mind that anything can happen anywhere. Not just in Newtown CT but in Greenwich CT

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 04:52 PM (wwsoB)

88 This is why I much prefer the internet to the MFM. Actual on-the-spot reports from real people, rather than highly-paid professional ghouls.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2012 08:50 PM (sdi6R)

Once upon a time, I wondered where the concept of ghoul came from. Then I saw the media in action and concluded that was too nice a term for them!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 15, 2012 04:53 PM (Cnqmv)

89 Lots of Nutmeggers here tonight. I won't even comment on Manchester where I am and it's crime rate.

Posted by: Jaimo at December 15, 2012 04:53 PM (ulzt7)

90 It's interesting you chose the Rodrigo as the death of his young son inspired him to compose it.

Posted by: John Bissell at December 15, 2012 04:54 PM (xfjym)

91 I hadn't seen this earlier, from a Breitbart site: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ck5g5jm

Posted by: Thorvald at December 15, 2012 04:56 PM (fS2Sn)

92 34 British television uses this song as a requiem a lot;

Brian Eno - An Ending (Ascent)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKw5mbcE7VY

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Goodness. Looking at the related videos, I see someone's done a video for Thursday Afternoon.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at December 15, 2012 04:56 PM (1c58W)

93 Evil is coming back for another visit tomorrow.

Posted by: Butters at December 15, 2012 04:57 PM (NIZHJ)

94 Maybe it's time we return daily prayer to our schools? We used to be the most blessed nation the world had ever seen. Nationwide ever school began each day with the Our Father. We were given our daily bread, our tresspasses were forgiven, we forgave our enemies and rebuilt their nations after just wars, temptation was largely kept at bay, and we were delivered from great evil. Now look at us. We murder our children in the womb, have utterly destroyed our own families, the disbelief of our enemies has overtaken us, we are in financial ruins, our cities are warzones, and the only thing we seem to find worth defending is homosex. And now the Lord permits children to be slaughtered in classrooms the way they are slaughtered in hospitals and clinics. Yes. Perhaps it is time we amend our ways. And perhaps the hour has come to return prayer to all of our schools.

Posted by: Hopeless at December 15, 2012 04:57 PM (xOE6Y)

95 Re: Westfield freaks. Any CT Morons know your Patriot Guard contact? Originally, P.G. was formed as a buffer between grieving military families and those freaks. You might pass it along, if you know to whom it might go.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 15, 2012 04:58 PM (fS2Sn)

96 Thanks to the media and obama, we will likely have another mass shooting soon. These things seem to come in clusters, IIRC. This one will get Columbine-type (as in disproportionate and dangerous enticing to copycats) coverage.

Posted by: Baldy at December 15, 2012 04:59 PM (opS9C)

97 I'm afraid I'm seeing a bit of the Princess Di share the grief bit in the public

They can't share the grief, they didn't lose a child. Their lives will go on as it has before, these families lives won't

I hate those public mournings when everyone wants to be "part of it" and leave tons of flowers, cards, and candles there.

Donate to a fund dedicated to helping the families if they truly want to do something or take part.

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 05:01 PM (wwsoB)

98 OMG. Obama can't WAIT a few days to visit? He has to do it this weekend? What a ghoul he is.

Posted by: Baldy at December 15, 2012 08:51 PM (opS9C)

He's going there this weekend, really? What an unbelievably reprehensible shitbird he is. I'm sure the community will be so happy for the extra attention. Which they were apparently WRONG not to share with barry the magnificent to begin with. Ah, I keep learning that, yes, peaches, you CAN hate him more.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2012 05:02 PM (kpCLl)

99 @95 "Westfield" s/b "Westboro". Sorry, my bad.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 15, 2012 05:03 PM (fS2Sn)

100 I hadn't seen this earlier, from a Breitbart site: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ck5g5jm Posted by: Thorvald at December 15, 2012 08:56 PM (fS2Sn) rage no kidding I worry for the parents. I worry for the children that survived and saw this horror. Life will never be the same for anyone. This is just too much.

Posted by: beach at December 15, 2012 05:04 PM (LpQbZ)

101 I don't know how they'll be able to reopen that school. How will the surviving children be able to go back there? How will parents be able to drop their kids off there? I suspect they'll have to close it and rebuild another school.

Posted by: Tami at December 15, 2012 05:05 PM (X6akg)

102 For the media and entertainers who exploit such tragedies, I believe "ghouls" is a more appropriate term.

Posted by: Darthdaver at December 15, 2012 05:06 PM (kuKrV)

103 No one will ask L'il Barry about Benghazi for a few days. He's playing the news cycle in campaign mode.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 15, 2012 05:07 PM (fS2Sn)

104 Here is an awesome comment at Ticker Forum: http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3090622

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2012 05:07 PM (sdi6R)

105 The parents are definitely still in shock. Even if they are crying from time to time, it has not even begun to sink in. It's immistakeable when the blessed shock wears off. It's one of the miracles of the human mind and body. The shock lasts long enough to get through the funeral and first couple weeks or so. Then comes the hard part, which is the rest of your life.

Posted by: Who Knows at December 15, 2012 05:07 PM (W+Itt)

106 I don't know how to link it or I would. I just read an article about the father of one of the children who said he had no animosity toward the shooter and offered sympathy to the family of the gunman. Amazing.....

Posted by: Molly k. at December 15, 2012 05:08 PM (9Cfw6)

107 To extinguish the most innocent and hopeful examples of life and its unlimited potential in such an abrupt and vicious display, can only darkly signal that true evil will refuse to be ignored until it is fully recognized, acknowledged, and faced down with renewed commitment and without any hint of retreat no matter what comes.

May these families find a just and lasting peace.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 15, 2012 05:09 PM (aZ6ew)

108 @104 Don't forget to LOVE them! The best neighbor I ever had, a man who had 13 children the last time I saw him, told me, "As the twig is bent, so grows the branch."

Posted by: Thorvald at December 15, 2012 05:10 PM (fS2Sn)

109 Good God. When my brother was killed, my parents weren't in a situation to deal with friends and family. This is not time for the President to visit. What are those parents supposed to say to him? What is the purpose. Good God, let them grieve in private.

Posted by: Ruby at December 15, 2012 05:10 PM (vt4Ip)

110 For those of you who feel Godhas abandoned us:

I went to mass this evening and our priest was just so sad about this horrible tragedy.

He reminded us that all of this suffering is because of sin entering the world. Sin is what causes all sorts of grief, including the mental illness sparked by revenge or hatred.

God has not abandoned us or the families who survive. The children are in heaven. They wil be waiting to hug their parents when they arrive.

The lesson from this, our priest said, is that no matter how angry we are with people in our family, we should remember how sad we would be if they were taken from us, and remember this and make peace with them.

We are given the gift of life and familial love. We should learn from this tragedy and cherish our children, our parents, and our siblings.

We are not promised a life without suffering. We are promised that Christ will be with us to comfort us and share in it.

God bless you all.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 15, 2012 05:11 PM (GoIUi)

111 I'm afraid I'm seeing a bit of the Princess Di share the grief bit in the public They can't share the grief, they didn't lose a child. Their lives will go on as it has before, these families lives won't I hate those public mournings when everyone wants to be "part of it" and leave tons of flowers, cards, and candles there. Donate to a fund dedicated to helping the families if they truly want to do something or take part. Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 09:01 PM (wwsoB) Many feel the absolute hollowness and dread that we, here, are feeling. We do not know if it is friends, family and so forth who are leaving those gifts of thought and prayer. Does it matter? It is an act of kindness and a collective caring. We also do not know how many who left prayers and thoughts also have helped the families, or donated... I wouldn't be so harsh to judge those with acts of kindness. None of us know what to do, or say. Like someone said upthread, we feel helpless. I certainly do.

Posted by: beach at December 15, 2012 05:11 PM (LpQbZ)

112 NEWTOWN, Conn. (AP) Â— Investigators tried to figure out what led a bright but painfully awkward 20-year-old to slaughter 26 children and adults at a Connecticut elementary school...

AP: Always Pathetic

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 15, 2012 05:12 PM (BVkEs)

113 This is not time for the President to visit. What are those parents supposed to say to him? What is the purpose. Good God, let them grieve in private.

Posted by: Ruby at December 15, 2012 09:10 PM (vt4Ip)

No shit, Ruby. He will disrupt everything for hours and hours and miles around. It's a very selfish, self-serving move on his part.

And my deepest condolences to you and your family.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2012 05:15 PM (kpCLl)

114 This is not time for the President to visit. What are those parents supposed to say to him? What is the purpose. Good God, let them grieve in private. Posted by: Ruby at December 15, 2012 09:10 PM (vt4Ip) No shit, Ruby. He will disrupt everything for hours and hours and miles around. It's a very selfish, self-serving move on his part.And my deepest condolences to you and your family. Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2012 09:15 PM (kpCLl) he really is the ultimate pos beyond contempt night all

Posted by: beach at December 15, 2012 05:16 PM (LpQbZ)

115 They had helicopters for the advance team scouting the place today. My God what a vile man he is.

Posted by: Baldy at December 15, 2012 05:17 PM (opS9C)

116 'night, beach . . . God bless.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2012 05:17 PM (kpCLl)

117 77 I am not watching the coverage. It's been said the families want their privacy--I won't then be an accomplice to the media in pouring salt in their wounds. What do we need to know? A mentally ill, evil monster, who in a civilized world would be locked up in a mental ward and writing letters home in crayon, destroyed scores of precious, innocent lives before ending himself. Do I have it about right?

Posted by: Palandine at December 15, 2012 08:47 PM (g7D8V)

Sounds about right. Sadly, this little bastard was probably treated like a special little snowflake his whole life. It even sounds like he was such a psychopath that his older brother didn't have anything to do with him.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 15, 2012 05:17 PM (Zd/NW)

118 104 Here is an awesome comment at Ticker Forum:

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3090622 Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2012 09:07 PM

That was quite an insightful commentary by that person

Some will consider it, but for too many others it's too difficult and uncomfortable to look at oneself, it's much easier to follow the mob and blame guns or something outside of their capacity to really change things

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 05:18 PM (wwsoB)

119 were ther no men in the school, all the adults were women?

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 15, 2012 05:18 PM (jfSqj)

120 Miss Marple, thanks. God didn't screw us, Adam and Eve chose differently. So now this is how we live and love until Jesus comes. Me, I can't wait.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at December 15, 2012 05:18 PM (0WOz6)

121 113 It's a very selfish, self-serving move on his part. He's a narcissist. It's all he knows. But the truly disgusting part will be how the media portrays his visit as noble and caring. He'll probably gain 5 points in the opinion polls.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2012 05:20 PM (sdi6R)

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Posted by: Baldy at December 15, 2012 05:20 PM (opS9C)

123

Posted by: Who Knows at December 15, 2012 09:07 PM (W+Itt)

Yes, I was sort of surprised how long the shock lasted and how generally functional I was to start with (and that was with the loss of a spouse, not a child which I firmly believe would be much worse) When that wears off the change can be very shocking.

Several people are from that area, is there a compassionate friends group there? My in-laws said it probably saved their marriage with the death of their first son, and he wasn't even a child, and apparently it's very helpful in learning how to adjust to the new "normal" without that child who was part of your life.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 15, 2012 05:21 PM (wbeNt)

124 106 I don't know how to link it or I would. I just read an article about the father of one of the children who said he had no animosity toward the shooter and offered sympathy to the family of the gunman. Amazing.....

Posted by: Molly k. at December 15, 2012 09:08 PM (9Cfw6)

Not surprised at this. The Dallas Cowboys player that was killed family invited the player who was driving to the funeral. That is what a Christian is supposed to do. I don't know if I would meet that standard if I was in their place.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 15, 2012 05:22 PM (Zd/NW)

125 It's going around Facebook that Morgan Freeman had this to say about the murders. If he did, I tip my hat to him and will reconsider what I've thought of him lately;

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 05:22 PM (wwsoB)

126 Slaughterer of women and children.What a brave bitch.He'll suffer in Hell for eternity.

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2012 05:23 PM (9XBK2)

127 Thank you, Peaches. I haven't watched any network TV since this happened, but I can imagine the feeding frenzy going on. If a network would announce they were packing up out of respect for the families, I might actually regain some respect for the media. I pray they've moved on to their next victims by the time the funerals begin.

Posted by: Ruby at December 15, 2012 05:24 PM (vt4Ip)

128 But the truly disgusting part will be how the media portrays his visit as noble and caring. He'll probably gain 5 points in the opinion polls. Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2012 09:20 PM

Oh absolutely. Just wait until they find a parent who lost a child who consents to being hugged on camera for the world to see how much he "CARES"

Bill Clinton was a master at that

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 05:24 PM (wwsoB)

129 Now that I think about it, Jake, there isn't a single male teacher at my kids' school. The only males in the building are the volunteer dads/grandfathers and the maintenance men.

Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2012 05:26 PM (mjR67)

130 119 were ther no men in the school, all the adults were women?

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 15, 2012 09:18 PM (jfSqj)

Elementary school. Most, if not all, teachers tend to be females. The school systems probably also try to put the male teachers into the upper levels so that they can serve as coaches and help with the unruly ones when they get bigger and older.

When I was in middle school, the city started putting police officers in the schools, sadly, I think police officers will start being in Elementary schools from now on.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 15, 2012 05:27 PM (Zd/NW)

131 Sad kitteh

http://tinyurl.com/cuuhqfy

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 05:27 PM (wwsoB)

132 were ther no men in the school, all the adults were women?

The early stories said that a maintenance man ran through the halls alerting people. I haven't heard anything about him recently, however.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2012 05:28 PM (kpCLl)

133 (Idly musing) Why the eff can't some nutball go nuts on the Westboro creeps one of these days? Not that I'm advocating it or anything, just idly musing in my idle fashion.

Posted by: nobama2012 at December 15, 2012 05:29 PM (sKHit)

134 Another sad kitteh

http://tinyurl.com/3eoace6

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 05:30 PM (wwsoB)

135

There is no fix to this. One way or another it will happen again. My thoughts and prayers to the babies and families now. May God look upon them and give peace.

Posted by: Bosk at December 15, 2012 05:30 PM (QkFee)

136 This may be too metaphysical for some, but here goes: History is a progression from barbarity to the ideas enshrined in the US Constitution. We have gone from paganism, and false religions to the premier country in the world that released more scientific truth than all the nations on the earth combined. Parallel to the U.S is the recreation of the state of Israel, the only other "covenant," nation on earth. Both are the most hated nations on earth...obviously. However the spiritual battle (this means real fallen angels and demons intent on destroying America and Israel) is set to destroy America and Israel. We have seen the slow degradation of the moral foundations of this country. Part of me grieves along with the parents now, but another part of me realizes this is Satanic plotting to bring America back to the normal status-quo in the earth of unending tyranny. Because of our slow drift from God (not so slow lately) we are losing our divine protection in both little things and large. 911 was a wake up call that our protection as a nation is lifting. Stuff like this will only aid our demonic leaders to seek to strip away guns from the populace, they want this worse than a man imprisoned for ten years wants a night with a whore. Honestly the only recourse is not political or martial, but men and women must begin to pray like their lives and the nation and the destiny of the world depends on this, and it does. If America is taken down by these demonic men then freedom will disappear from the earth in less than 30 years. Even fucking Hurricanes aid these bastards now, fast and furious was all about changing the gun laws, only Obama and Holder got caught in a way, but here the demonic world gives them a gift anyway. I believe this stuff is real and is happening now. Stop wondering why God does this, or allowed it to happen. It is up to us, He will help us, but not if a football game, or work, or family or a video game is more important than crying out to Him for help. It can become to late, then nothing will stop this progression.

Posted by: Jehu at December 15, 2012 05:31 PM (cSD32)

137 @119 Don't you know men can't be trusted with little children these days? /sarc

Posted by: nobama2012 at December 15, 2012 05:32 PM (sKHit)

138 The Compassionate Friends group got my mom through that first year. And if Morgan Freeman did say that, then I applaud him. I'll do my part by remembering Victoria Soto who hid her students in cabinets and told the shooter her kids were at the gym.

Posted by: Ruby at December 15, 2012 05:33 PM (vt4Ip)

139

I don't mean to be so cynical but that's just how I feel about what happened.

Posted by: Bosk at December 15, 2012 05:34 PM (QkFee)

140 136 You've read The Book of Revelations haven't you?

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2012 05:34 PM (9XBK2)

141 Calling all angels: whenever a child dies...... http://www.metrolyrics.com/calling-all-angels-lyrics-jane-siberry.html

Posted by: Devan at December 15, 2012 05:35 PM (Yv3Lz)

142

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 09:22 PM (wwsoB)__ _ _ _ ___ ___ ___

That is a surprising and welcome statement.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 15, 2012 05:36 PM (1Y+hH)

143 So, is our fearless leader off on his stay-cation?

Posted by: Walkers! at December 15, 2012 05:36 PM (jWwDJ)

144

Just saying...there wouldn't have been 26 people dead if all teachers were required to have a concealed carry permit and had to carry and know how to use a gun. Since it's obvious that the government cannot take away all guns (especially the criminals), then the only solution is to require all teachers and administrators to pack heat.

Posted by: Blabber at December 15, 2012 05:36 PM (whgcE)

145 Sad kitteh

pic.twitter.com/cE5cLDgs

Posted by: elbow girl at December 15, 2012 05:36 PM (z9HTb)

146 I think if weÂ’re going to control guns, we really have to do it massive. I think IÂ’m all for getting rid of the assault weapons and machine guns and all that Â… but if we want to prevent something like this, we have to really think seriously about drastically reducing the number of guns in our society, and particularly Â— this is an old Patrick Daniel Moynihan idea Â— the number of bullets. It is very hard to control 300 million guns. The bullets are a little easier to control.Â” David Brooks Told you the libs will go for the jugular here. War on drugs is about to be replaced with a war on rightful and responsible ownership afforded by the 2nd amendment. This will be open war, the mask will be discarded.

Posted by: The Hammer at December 15, 2012 05:37 PM (x9oN6)

147

Posted by: Ruby at December 15, 2012 09:33 PM (vt4Ip)

Yes. There were many heroines yesterday. It's sad though that the only way a teacher could defend her students was as a human shield though. Most of their options were apparrently taken away long ago in various policy meetings.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 15, 2012 05:37 PM (wbeNt)

148 There is no fix to this. One way or another it will happen again. My thoughts and prayers to the babies and families now. May God look upon them and give peace. Posted by: Bosk at December 15, 2012 09:30 PM (QkFee) BS, there are alot of fixes 1. have some mean mofo on the premisis with a full-auto rifle 2. have cops on disability,(who may not be able to run down street punks, but who are still mobile) act as security. Increase their pay from disability, incentives and all. 3. Pay retired cops to act as security, again incentives 4. have a CCW/CCL parent volunteer 5. Arm and train the teachers and administraters 6. require all administraters to be trained and armed 7. this is not rocket science, the Israelis don't have this problem anymore ha

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 15, 2012 05:37 PM (jfSqj)

149 77 I am not watching the coverage. It's been said the families want their privacy--I won't then be an accomplice to the media in pouring salt in their wounds. What do we need to know? A mentally ill, evil monster, who in a civilized world would be locked up in a mental ward and writing letters home in crayon, destroyed scores of precious, innocent lives before ending himself. Do I have it about right?

Posted by: Palandine at December 15, 2012 08:47 PM (g7D8V)

I quit watching about two hours after the event was reported.

What I have learned so far is that the perpetrator was a very brilliant but shy and withdrawn honor student 20 years old who was still in the 10th grade, and had a minimum of two 'disabilities' including autism and an undiagnosed mental health problem.

This needs more than the "48 hour rule".

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at December 15, 2012 05:37 PM (Qxe/p)

150 Has David Brooks moved out of his gated community or doorman luxury flat with the armed security?

When he and the others give that up, I'll think about it

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 05:39 PM (wwsoB)

151 My boyfriend called me in to watch a video clip from the local news station. Seems that there was a licensed carry at the Mall shooting in Oregon. He'd been a security guard at that same mall, now working another security gig. He heard the two shoots and saw the gunman trying to unjam his gun. He pulled out his own weapon and had the guy in his sites. He didn't shoot because he was afraid that he might accidentally hit someone trying to escape. Right after the shooter saw him, he committed suicide. My neighbor had her teenage daughter murdered. We were home but didn't hear anything when her daughter went away with the guy. He took her down the road, raped her and murdered her with a knife. My neighbor chose not to seek the death penalty and the guy is still in jail. When the news crew set up shop in the driveway, next to our place, my husband went outside and started cussing them out. They had to film elsewhere. If more people did that, it would put the press in their place.

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 15, 2012 05:39 PM (uPhCY)

152 125 kbdabear That sounds too good to be true. But if he really did say that, I applaud him.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2012 05:40 PM (sdi6R)

153 Brooks, Frum, Piers, wherever you are out there ....

FUCK YOU TOO !!!

Posted by: Lt Col Frank Slade at December 15, 2012 05:40 PM (wwsoB)

154 150 Yeah,Instapundit has been skewering Rupert Murdoch for his asinine comments too."What kind of guns does your security carry Rupert?"

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2012 05:41 PM (9XBK2)

155 @140 "You listen 'ere now, he's not the [AntiChrist], he's a [very nasty Anti-Reagan wannabe.]" I don't think L'il Barry is the Anti-Christ, but he definitely wants to be the anti-Reagan. http://preview.tinyurl.com/bvvkgmw

Posted by: Thorvald at December 15, 2012 05:41 PM (fS2Sn)

156 B+rry Choomwagon's regime eliminated $200 million in school safety funding. He's got friends with fake solar cell factories to help out.

Posted by: torabora at December 15, 2012 05:41 PM (I+Z9T)

157 I've been on my local MA patch blogs advocating for mandatory gun ownership. Gotta start moving the debate.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 15, 2012 05:41 PM (w+hCD)

158 152I applaud whoever said it or wrote it.

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2012 05:41 PM (9XBK2)

159 140 I have read a lot of books, I also look beyond surface analysis. Either humanity has a destiny toward physical freedom, in order to facilitate spiritual freedom, or it is all futility. No way to actually prove either one, but that is why faith is greater than reason. I choose to believe in a coherent universe with meaning. Everyone is also free to chose the universe they believe. I for one refuse to be a victim. Either I was given authority to change this earth or I can be a gigantic spiritual liberal always a victim of evil. Essentially the message of Christ (when you scrape of the religious nonsense men wrap it up in) is you are responsible, you create your world. Or you can sit around whining and crying about the shit and become an eternal Rush Limbaugh, just complaining about what liberals are doing.

Posted by: Jehu at December 15, 2012 05:42 PM (cSD32)

160 I, too, refuse to watch any footage of what has become a media feeding-frenzy. I have 4 boys, the youngest is 7. When I come home from work most evenings, he bugs me to play Madden 09 with him, and I usually tell him no. Last evening after I got home, I played 3 games with him, and he couldn't understand why I wanted to sit so close to him.

Posted by: DaveinNC at December 15, 2012 05:42 PM (/NgNT)

161 Link to the local news story on the mall shooting: http://tinyurl.com/cpfu4a3

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 15, 2012 05:42 PM (uPhCY)

162 5. Arm and train the teachers and administrators

6. require all administrators to be trained and armed

7. this is not rocket science, the Israelis don't have this problem anymore
ha Posted by: Jake in ID

I'll save you your 50 steps: roll back the 'compassionate' free-the-crazies laws and commit those that exhibit psychotic tendencies.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 15, 2012 05:43 PM (TtXjG)

163 All the teachers at my kids' elementary school are women except for the part-time band teacher and the gym teacher, who is gay. They have two male custodians I think.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 15, 2012 05:44 PM (w+hCD)

164 David Brooks knows about as much about ammunition as he does about fucking

Bullets are rather easy to fabricate if one knows how

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 05:45 PM (wwsoB)

165 the number of bullets. It is very hard to control 300 million guns. The bullets are a little easier to control.Â” David Brooks Posted by: The Hammer at December 15, 2012 09:37 PM (x9oN6) Stockpiling ammo started in the 1990's when Billy Jeff used an Executive Order to stop all ammo imports for 90 or 180 days. overnight certain calibers price doubled. in 2008 after BHO, certain ammo, and reloading components were sold out for months. and on an odd note, .22 Long Rifle rimfire ammo was crazy scarse in 2008

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 15, 2012 05:45 PM (jfSqj)

166 Amen Jehu. If people really want to change things, wake up tomorrow morning and go to Church. Pray with your family every day. Repent, fast, give alms. Our nation has abandoned God.

Posted by: Hopeless at December 15, 2012 05:46 PM (6d5GW)

167 Remember to pray for them on Dec 28, the Feast of the Holy Innocents.

Posted by: George LeS at December 15, 2012 05:46 PM (C4s3i)

168 Right on, Jehu. Here we are. It doesn't take a fucking genius to realize that we might need some divine help.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at December 15, 2012 05:47 PM (0WOz6)

169 If we rid the world of free will, events like this can be eliminated

Posted by: Tmitsss at December 15, 2012 05:48 PM (WRZ7l)

170 I am not watching any coverage of this either. I have been watching Disney Channel (I know, I know) all day today with the sweetest most innocent 8 year old girl a father could ever ask for.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 15, 2012 05:50 PM (jucos)

171 What I have learned so far is that the perpetrator was a very brilliant but shy and withdrawn honor student 20 years old who was still in the 10th grade, and had a minimum of two 'disabilities' including autism and an undiagnosed mental health problem.

This needs more than the "48 hour rule".

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at December 15, 2012 09:37 PM (Qxe/p)

He wasn't still in the 10th grade. His mother began homeschooling him in the 10th grade.

Posted by: Tami at December 15, 2012 05:50 PM (X6akg)

172

Report: House Speaker Boehner proposes higher taxes for millionaires, Obama declines but talks continue - @AP __ ___ ___ ___ ___ __ __ __

Now wait a minute....wut?

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 15, 2012 05:51 PM (1Y+hH)

173 @169 free will... You know that, I know that, we Morons know that. But the Puritans, the Commies, the shari'a-pushers, and the prestigious Brookings Institution all believe Human Nature Can Be Perfected (in the latter case, through the tax code).

Posted by: Thorvald at December 15, 2012 05:52 PM (fS2Sn)

174 Saddened and angered by this. Saddened at the loss of innocent life and angry that the weakest and defenseless among us were preyed upon. Angry that no CCW holder was in position to put his ass down.

Angry at the media and leftist jackals who will use this to advance their agenda.

I'd be in favor of putting some teachers and school administrators through something like the armed pilot program.

Posted by: willy at December 15, 2012 05:52 PM (kUCQ4)

175 Report: House Speaker Boehner proposes higher taxes for millionaires, Obama declines but talks continue - @AP __ ___ ___ ___ ___ __ __ __

Now wait a minute....wut?

Remember when we were a representative republic and these sorts of issues used to be discussed on the record, in public, by Congress, instead of by cronies behind locked doors?

Good times, good times...

Posted by: Palandine[/i] at December 15, 2012 05:53 PM (g7D8V)

176 He wasn't still in the 10th grade. His mother began homeschooling him in the 10th grade.

Posted by: Tami at December 15, 2012 09:50 PM (X6akg)

Thanks for that.
He apparently was still in school, though?
Otherwise, why the altercation with the school staff the day earlier?

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at December 15, 2012 05:56 PM (Qxe/p)

177 If we had seer-prophets like they did in ancient days, someone would have been able to help this shooter. Actually if there had just been one praying-believing Christian in his life, they would have seen the demonic spirit on him and been able to pray and stop its activity. Want God out of public life, conversation, out of schools? Then don't blame God when horrible things like this happen. I have personally reached out to very troubled people in my life...who knows but maybe my faith stopped something from happening. Reminds me one day years ago a bunch of us were in all nights of prayer during the Reagan years, praying for the end of the Soviet Union. And some hippie chick came in a watched us for a while then started mocking us and telling us how prayer was worthless. The leader of our group asked her if the men in the Soviet Union were crazy or insane? She replied that probably some of them were. Then he pointed out, then maybe what prayer HAS DONE was kept their hands from the button. He further told her to leave and not let the church door hit her in the ass on the way out.

Posted by: Jehu at December 15, 2012 05:56 PM (cSD32)

178 172

Report: House Speaker Boehner proposes higher taxes for millionaires, Obama declines but talks continue - @AP __ ___ ___ ___ ___ __ __ __

Now wait a minute....wut?

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 15, 2012 09:51 PM (1Y+hH)

I wonder if Beohner is finally letting the media know that Obama isn't serious about doing anything.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 15, 2012 05:56 PM (Zd/NW)

179 Not that it signifies anything but I note that 19 out of the 27 were female.

Posted by: polynikes at December 15, 2012 05:57 PM (+kzsa)

180 ONT is up

Posted by: kbdabear at December 15, 2012 06:01 PM (wwsoB)

181

And none of the adults were males....

Posted by: Jess1 at December 15, 2012 06:01 PM (LwGY+)

182 He apparently was still in school, though?
Otherwise, why the altercation with the school staff the day earlier?

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at December 15, 2012 09:56 PM (Qxe/p)

They've never mentioned what his current status as a student was. Also, I believe at the CT State police presser today the state trooper said he was unaware of any altercation at the school prior to the shooting. So that story may have been wrong. Shocker, I know!

Posted by: Tami at December 15, 2012 06:04 PM (X6akg)

183 SO if that tweet I posted means the choppers were there at 10:30am today, it might mean they decided yesterday or this a.m. to go there? Obama is in a hurry to strike while the iron is hot, isn't he?

Posted by: Baldy at December 15, 2012 06:06 PM (opS9C)

184 I have loved the"Con-chair-toe day Orangejuice' from the 1st time I heard. This is also a great version of Joaquin Rodrigo's Concierto de Aranjuez -- from the great jazz guitar master Jim Hall's album 'Concierto' (1975). Featuring Jim Hall - guitar; Chet Baker - trumpet; Paul Desmond - alto sax; Roland Hanna - piano; Ron Carter - bass; and Steve Gadd - drums. http://tinyurl.com/bp6hg3l Miles Davis also does a great version on the Sketches of Spain album.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 15, 2012 06:06 PM (mkb9H)

185 Good times, good times...

Posted by: Palandine at December 15, 2012 09:53 PM (g7D8V)

You got to roll with the punches, 'cause you ain't about to see them good times again!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 15, 2012 06:06 PM (Cnqmv)

186 Posted by: Tami at December 15, 2012 10:04 PM (X6akg)

I stand by my original assessment.
48 hour rule is pathetically insufficient.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at December 15, 2012 06:07 PM (Qxe/p)

187 168 Right on, Jehu. Here we are. It doesn't take a fucking genius to realize that we might need some divine help. I'm starting to believe that myself. I've never been religious during my adult life. I went to a Presbyterian Sunday School when I was a kid, and those lessons took. I generally believe in the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule. I'm honest, and I never seek to take advantage of others. I "live my life on the square" as a wise man once said. ( Dylan ) I'm increasingly horrified by the depravity of popular culture, and I realize that it will doom us if it's not arrested. I also know that many Christian denominations, both Protestant and Catholic, have been infested with left-wing "social justice" nonsense. So I'm not sure what to do. Like I said, I don't feel religious, yet I know that we can't go on like this.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2012 06:07 PM (sdi6R)

188 Why can't Obama leave those families alone and just send them the same form letter that he sends to the families of our fallen military.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at December 15, 2012 06:09 PM (nZvGM)

189

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2012 10:07 PM (sdi6R)

Are you Teh Wachel's rickl?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 15, 2012 06:11 PM (wbeNt)

190 ricki, you have to believe and go with what is closest to your thinking.

I am a Catholic. I stick with what the catechism says and ignore th eleftist priests like Father Flager in Chicago. They are heretics.

There are many churches which will strengthen your faith. Look them up on line and find the one which suits your thinking.

God needs us as his soldiers. We need to participate.

Bless you.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 15, 2012 06:12 PM (GoIUi)

191

Awful, just awful.

Morose, I started thinking about wars--every war I could. I started thinking about all the little tiny bodies, tinier even than those left on that schoolroom floor yesterday, that lay on ground bloodied by bombs, shells, whatever...all the tiny babies who were incinerated that day in Hiroshima, then Nagasaki. They are in my head, all the babies that every were, all the little ones that ever took a breath only to have the adults in their world not protect them from the madness of the adult world.

Sorry, as if yesterday were not enough......

Posted by: gm at December 15, 2012 06:14 PM (IiAO1)

192 One of those teachers was a year younger than me, another one older, the other two.

Jesus.

Posted by: Aaron at December 15, 2012 06:21 PM (Tlix5)

193 189 Are you Teh Wachel's rickl? Yeppers. I remember when Bill Whittle was a commenter at her old site.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2012 06:21 PM (sdi6R)

194 So I'm not sure what to do. Like I said, I don't feel religious, yet I know that we can't go on like this.
Posted by: rickl

That's because it has nothing to do with religion. Think about it; is spree killing by lunatic loners common throughout the 'heathen' world? Not really.

It's a result of small communities being broken down and absorbed into anonymous, urban sprawl. In small towns and villages where everyone knows everyone, nutters like this one were taken care of quietly and early.

Can we return to some idyll-like golden age of small towns and villages? Is some revival going to save our temporal and timeless selves?

Nope. Technology and time march on.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 15, 2012 06:24 PM (TtXjG)

195 I think Ace's idea of making the murderer look like the lowlife scum he was is the best way. Stop glorifying losers and murderers. Humiliate them. They should not get canonized when they draw their last breath. They and their legions of enablers should get humiliated and then promptly forgotten...

Posted by: Christmasghost at December 15, 2012 06:27 PM (GWxXv)

196

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2012 10:21 PM (sdi6R)

I think he still dropped by (very ocassionally) when I first found her blog during the '08 campaign. She may have been the one who linked here and got me hooked on the Horde.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 15, 2012 06:34 PM (wbeNt)

197 I dunno anything anymore. Does anyone know?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 15, 2012 08:18 PM (vanqS)

God indeed did not have anything to do with this. This was the act of a vile human being.

Posted by: Castaway Tom Hanks at December 15, 2012 06:34 PM (IPz9m)

198 Gd sock.

Posted by: KG at December 15, 2012 06:38 PM (IPz9m)

199 My soul groans in agony for all of them. Especially the wee ones. Especially the wee ones. I understand several teachers shielded children with their own bodies and died doing so. To them and those like them belong the Kingdom of Heaven. May they all frolic in Heaven for all eternity in the love of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Amen.

Posted by: The Man From Athens at December 15, 2012 06:48 PM (RXQ2T)

200 Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 15, 2012 10:34 PM (wbeNt) I first read her around 2002-2003 or so. Eventually she stopped blogging, and I was a member of LGF for a few years. I quit LGF in 2007. It was a hard thing to do, because that place was like home to me. So after deleting LGF from my bookmarks folder with a heavy heart, I visited Eject!Eject!Eject! and, lo and behold, there was Rachel announcing the start of her new blog. I went there and I think I was about the third commenter. Not 15 minutes passed between my leaving LGF and finding her new site. Talk about serendipity. If there is ever a Bloggers Hall of Fame, she should be a charter member.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2012 06:52 PM (sdi6R)

201 Someone on the radio mentioned that saying about God never giving you something you can't handle, and then he said that's crap, see if it's true for all those mothers right now. On Thursday I would've disagreed with him, but today I do not. I'm not sure where that saying comes from but now I don't like it. It also presumes, wrongly I believe, that God "gives" us these tragedies. I dunno. I dunno anything anymore. Does anyone know? Posted by: soothsayer at December 15, 2012 08:18 PM (vanqS) ~~~~~~ He does not. That is why we need Him. A sick human being did this, not God.

Posted by: The Man From Athens at December 15, 2012 06:52 PM (RXQ2T)

202 Not much more that I can add. My heart is just aching for these parents and every time I think about that sick maniac aiming and firing upon of those children... it's more than I can bear. I cannot and will not EVER understand this. God help us.. we need you so desperately.

Posted by: jewells45 at December 15, 2012 06:53 PM (u25eL)

203 54 If Westborough shows up at these funerals, I don't see it ending well for them. Posted by: Winston Smith at December 15, 2012 08:36 PM (G0eua) ~~~~~~~ Justifiable homicide I believe is the legal term you're looking for that would describes the outcome.

Posted by: The Man From Athens at December 15, 2012 06:58 PM (RXQ2T)

204 Rest in peace, sweet children.

Don't watch the coverage, even on Fox. It causes the other nuts to act out, too. The guy in Newport Beach was dressed all in leather and shooting wildly in the air. Of course, it's an upscale, liberal town so no one was carrying, but a cop managed to deck him. Inspired by the media.

The media knows how to stop this, but they won't... MONEY!

Over a million hits, watch the whole thing:

http://tinyurl.com/c5hvuu6

Posted by: PJ at December 15, 2012 07:27 PM (ZWaLo)

205 Oh course they're being ghoulish in all of this. They are ghouls, so acting in such a manner should be no surprise. It was bad enough that Bloomberg stepped in to chastise the American public for not giving up every gun in the country, but then for O'Donnell and her ilk to take up the charge? And to do so in between breathless attempts to verify the death toll?

One press conference I heard on the day of was cut short because the press kept trying to get the hospital rep to give names and a death toll.

Fuck them. The sooner this dinosaur media starts turning into compost the better.

Posted by: Karusky at December 15, 2012 07:42 PM (dO4L7)

206 I'm a mom of two sons I adore. Sadly I can't let myself think to deeply about the children murdered. It's too close to my heart. I'm a stone inside.

Posted by: Sunny at December 15, 2012 07:59 PM (Xnxty)

207 How to be religious if you can't find a church? Well you could start here: http://www.scifiwright.com/2012/12/how-to-find-god/ . And VanDerLeun on americandigest.org has had some very spiritual posts. All you have to do is pray for guidance. In times like these, sometimes prayer is all we have.

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 15, 2012 08:01 PM (uPhCY)

208 As for the link, well... when the paparazzi became journalists, journalists became paparazzi.

There was a time when I would have used quotation marks in referring to paparazzi as journalists, but that stopped around the time the paparazzi started showing more restraint than the MSM. At least a celeb-stalker doesn't lecture you on why they have a right to harass and degrade you...

Posted by: Karusky at December 15, 2012 08:06 PM (dO4L7)

209 Oh God. How far the world has fallen. How far the distance is to rise. How hard the climb.

Oh God.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 15, 2012 08:27 PM (xjpRj)

210

I just emailed all of my Congressmen to ask that they avoid calls to add new gun laws. Laws passed in haste because of a crisis are almost never good laws. History is full of far too many examples of horror at the hands of a government who has disarmed its populace.

Please don't forget that our Senators and Representatives are our front line right now (unless you live in a blue state and they are douche bags.)

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at December 15, 2012 08:46 PM (QyMDY)

211 May God Bless the citizens of New Town. I just don't understand how you could look at a young child and pull the trigger. I close my eyes and imagine the horror of the children and it makes me incredibly angry. I will never understand this!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 15, 2012 09:18 PM (uis79)

212 When we open up our society to disregard a human life as a life as we have done, we open up ourselves for such sick travesty. When a life can be terminated on a whim, this is where we end up, period!

Posted by: zimfam007 at December 16, 2012 01:09 AM (dldZy)

213 What are the chances ???

Newtown Police Department: Jesse Lewis, 18, of 158 Walnut Tree Hill Road, Bethel, turned himself in on an arrest warrant Tuesday morning, police said. Lewis was charged with third-degree burglary and second-degree larceny in connection with a June 17, 2008 incident. He was held on a $2,500 bond and taken to state Superior Court in Danbury for arraignment, police said.

Posted by: Leopold "Butters" Stotch at December 16, 2012 03:28 AM (e8kgV)

214

The totalitarians will have to ban rocks and knives next: http://on-msn.com/WcP8f6

Posted by: RecklessProcess at December 16, 2012 04:10 AM (f7ylG)

215 I refuse to talk about guns. The narrative should be the truth: We have welcomed, nay, encouraged, a culture of death. The unthinkable is thinkable and accepted when we have a president who is an advocate for infanticide, who sees babies as a problem he wouldn't want to punish his daughters with. Nominated at a convention that views abortion as a sacrament, that shouted out to deny God any recognition in their platform three times. Voted in by a people who sell their children into slavery to the all powerful state for an Obama Phone and free birth control. People who refuse to even acknowledge truth, even if it is as direct and clear as the math behind our deficits.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 16, 2012 06:49 AM (qs9G3)

216 Couldn't do much. Knelt down and prayed the rosary. Did not help. I have a three year old. Oh, Lord! What are those parents going through?

If parents of the children, dead or alive, knew each other well, the parents of the dead children will wonder, when they see the others grow, what might've been, if the bullet was two inches to the right. Ten years from now those kids might be getting ready for their proms.

How long before the parents of the children who survived can make eye-contact with the parents who lost their children? Can they bring themselves to condole those parents, can they be sure that their condolences would be expected. All they can say, is, "there but for the Grace of God ..."

Posted by: Chester Simms at December 16, 2012 07:57 AM (7ZwS+)

217 Jackals is one word for the media, but I thought that Tom Wolfe had the best metaphor for the media that crushes against you and buzzes incessantly without any sense of propriety: Fruit flies.

Posted by: Bluedog803 at December 16, 2012 09:01 AM (yUS5D)

218 Along the lines of music appropriate to this tragedy, the closing music to The Exorcist III, Orlando de Lassus' "Come Falda di Neve" from his work "Lagrimi de San Pietro (the Tears of St. Peter), ironically enough seems fitting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Gkmjf1hfc

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at December 16, 2012 12:03 PM (opLk0)

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