September 28, 2012
— Ace Suppose you accidentally click on a link and wind up seeing the raunchiest, most grotesque pornography imaginable.
What do you do?
You probably close the link and perhaps bark at whoever linked you to it.
But do you attempt to have the site shut down?
In all likelihood you do not. And that doesn't mean you approve of the pornography, or even tolerate it.
You don't attempt to have the site shut down, or stir up a rage, because you know it will be futile. The law has spoken on this point; and where the letter of the law hasn't spoken, the actions of thousands of LEO's and politicians have. There will be virtually no action taken against pornography, ever.
So you don't attempt to get the site shut down because the letter of the law, and the actions of those enforcing it, have informed you that it is a situation you'll just have to live with.
The law has become normative. You may not agree with it (or, of course, you might). But you have internalized the teaching of the law, just as a student internalizes the real rules of his school, what he can get away with, what he can't.
The law has taught you what you will have to accept, what you will have to work around, what you will have to teach yourself to ignore and come to peace with.
The law is normative. It establishes our norms.
The law is currently establishing a new norm. Some -- liberals, chiefly, are quick to line up to embrace the new norm.
The new norm is that certain religions -- oh, why be coy with the plural? One religion -- shall have the protection and sanctification of state power.
One religion, and one religion only.
Piss Christ is being shown in New York City again. There are few calls for the exhibit to be banned, and none for the artist to be arrested -- or vigorously investigated to find if there are any breaches in his past to be arrested for.
Because we know the law and the action of government in executing the law would not be responsive. Not even a little bit.
The law is normative. We have learned there is no point protesting Piss Christ, or any thousand "slanders" against the Prophet of Christianity. We have learned that we will just have to live with it, and, if such things offend us, learn to control our tempers, and learn to avoid certain things that might otherwise give us pleasure, like museums.
What norms are the laws currently teaching the most extreme and intolerant members of Islam?
That they must respect other people's rights to engage in free speech? That they must accept that their religion, like any other, is subject to critique, disrespect, and even hate?
No. They are learning that threatening violence, or actually engaging in violence, is not futile at all, but rather achieves the precise goals they seek (a de facto prohibition against Islam or Mohammad, and no other religion).
The law is normative. This is what it is teaching. This is the lesson it is currently filling minds with.
Violence works. Intolerance -- at least intolerance with a brown face -- is justified and even noble.
And Islamic values are superior to American ones. After all, when the two come into conflict, which values win out?
Why would an Islamic immigrant choose American values over Salafist ones when the American government itself (and lesser governments within America) proclaim that Salafism is superior to Americanism?
The law is normative. It teaches. It compels. It forbids. And its compulsions and prohibitions become internalized.
The law in America is championing Salafism.
If our goal is encourage a more moderate, pluralistic, freedom-oriented brand of Islam, why would our government champion Salafism? Why would it emasculate the more moderate style of Islam, and create a Conquering Hero out of Salafism?
The law is normative. The law creates certain expectations of behavior, and rewards those within the law, and punishes those without it.
What expectations of behavior is the law currently creating? That we should all respect each other's rights to express our beliefs, or that we should engage in violent behavior to suppress others' rights, knowing if we destroy enough property, or kill enough human beings, the American government will begin championing our beliefs, making them part of the official legal code of the nation?
A fire dies without oxygen. It is the expectation of government action -- of "winning" a government sanction or concession-- that drives these protests and these riots. And this jihad.
Drama is the anticipation of action. It has been so since before the Greeks. Drama is not the action; drama is the question of whether the action will be taken, and what consequences it will have.
As Hitchcock observed, a bomb's detonation isn't drama; that's just spectacle. The drama comes with wondering if the bomb will be detected before it explodes.
Human beings are driven by drama. Millions watched that stupid car chase today because they didn't know how it would turn out. Millions watched a boring static helicopter shot of a not-terribly-fast-moving car for hours, because they didn't know how it would turn out.
Drama feeds the emotions.
When Rush Limbaugh made a joke about Sandra Fluke being a "slut," the story was kept alive for weeks.
How? Dude called a 30-year-old activist a "slut" for humorous effect. How does that turn into a three week storyine?
Drama. The quip itself cannot sustain interest, but the invented, contrived jumped up drama around it can.
Will Rush apologize? That's a two day story. Now we can anticipate whether he will Stay Strong or Buckle Under Pressure. Drama -- the anticipation of action.
Two days later -- will the people who will never accept his apology accept his apology? Drama -- wondering whether this apology will be deemed adequate by people whose livelihoods depend on their deeming it inadequate.
A week after that -- will sponsors drop his show? Will it drive him off the air? Drama -- will he win or lose? Will MMFA win or lose?
And thus a three-second sentence, without any consequence whatsoever, becomes a storyline for a month.
Drama. Unscripted morality plays for the politically invested.
Now, why has this YouTube video remained a story? Why do people continue to demonstrate over it?
Drama -- will they win? Will they prevail in getting the United States to impose blasphemy laws? To arrest and prosecute the blasphemer?
It's that drama that sustains their passions.
If they knew the answer -- if they knew from the first moment the answer would be "No" -- there would be no drama.
They would realize their actions were futile, and therefore silly, and therefore unmanly, as serious men do not indulge in childish tantrums that accomplish nothing.
But what if there is a genuine hope that their actions could shape US policy, US free speech law, and US law enforcement action?
What if the Administration gave them just enough encouragement to let them know: If you keep this up long enough, we just might wind up tailoring the Constitution to protect your religion?
Drama. It feeds the passions. It creates interest. It invests what would otherwise be a childish (or thuggish) bit of acting up with heroic purpose.
And that's what Obama has done: He has poured the gasoline of heroic purpose onto the flames of anger.
He has invested the demonstrators with stature and nobility.
He could have just said "No." He could have made it plain that in no universe would a US president ever betray the Constitution in order to appease a mob.
Instead, he told them just the opposite: Maybe we will.
And, in fact: We now have.
Will this lead to fewer demonstrations, and less violence, or towards more?
When you reward a behavior, you get more of it.
That seems a well-settled point.
The law is now rewarding those who would break it.
The law is normative.
It teaches.
It's teaching people that terrorism is justified.
It is teaching people that the future must not belong to those who slander The Prophet of Islam.
And it is teaching, finally, that 9/11 was, like any other spasm of violence against those who do not bow to Islam, a justifiable expression of dissatisfaction with United States policy and American values.
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Posted by: Joe Mama at September 28, 2012 01:56 PM (rlba9)
Posted by: Boring Old Madonna at September 28, 2012 01:56 PM (wIgpo)
Posted by: Napolean at September 28, 2012 01:57 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Up with people! at September 28, 2012 01:57 PM (kzFo5)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 28, 2012 01:58 PM (GvYeG)
Posted by: the pink not panicking, but I hate the MSM,about one poll formerly known as the hobbit Donna at September 28, 2012 01:58 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Muslim Bros in Da Hood at September 28, 2012 01:58 PM (rlba9)
The other problem is that FDR had decades to stack the court with a complaint Senate. We have never had 16 years of Republican conservative rule with a complaint Senate.
Posted by: Vic at September 28, 2012 01:58 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: LASue at September 28, 2012 01:59 PM (wAhNv)
Posted by: Up with people! at September 28, 2012 02:00 PM (kzFo5)
Posted by: Animals in Da House at September 28, 2012 02:00 PM (rlba9)
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 28, 2012 02:00 PM (AWmfW)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at September 28, 2012 02:00 PM (ECYvo)
>Suppose you accidentally click on a link and wind up seeing the raunchiest, most grotesque pornography imaginable.
>What do you do?
>You probably close the link and perhaps bark at whoever linked you to it.
That's as far as I got, realizing some imposter is posting in ace's name.
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 28, 2012 02:00 PM (0muQ0)
Posted by: So Ace is still mastering his domain? at September 28, 2012 02:01 PM (S1RjJ)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 28, 2012 02:01 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: pep at September 28, 2012 02:01 PM (6TB1Z)
Can you just post kitty and puppy videos for the next few weeks? kthx.
Posted by: Tami at September 28, 2012 02:01 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 28, 2012 02:01 PM (9eDbm)
That, or I may torch the Obama signs in the neighborhood. . .
What the Hell! Why not both?
Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at September 28, 2012 02:01 PM (IlZPo)
Posted by: t Just palin Donna , new and improved... at September 28, 2012 02:02 PM (9+ccr)
I dunno, I hear lots from a complaint Senate. Harry Reid in particular.
Posted by: pep at September 28, 2012 02:02 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at September 28, 2012 02:03 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at September 28, 2012 02:03 PM (Sptt8)
Posted by: ace at September 28, 2012 02:03 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:04 PM (nVOyV)
That is because we have a POS MFM.
Posted by: Vic at September 28, 2012 02:04 PM (YdQQY)
Metaphorically speaking.
Posted by: mama winger at September 28, 2012 02:05 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: That Pesky Charter of Negative Liberties at September 28, 2012 02:05 PM (rlba9)
Posted by: mama winger at September 28, 2012 02:06 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2012 02:06 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at September 28, 2012 02:06 PM (Sptt8)
Like Romneys alleged "gaffes". It all fits the narrative . Obama must be re elected at any cost.Integrity and truth be damned...
Posted by: t Just palin Donna , new and improved... at September 28, 2012 02:06 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at September 28, 2012 02:06 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: JDTAY at September 28, 2012 02:06 PM (a0nis)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, still angry & ever vilgiliant at September 28, 2012 02:07 PM (MnXOU)
Reposting this because it's relevant to this thread as well:
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I have a minor quibble with Ace's qualification of "strains" of Islam.
In 1979, the Shiites were the bad ones, taking our Embassy staff hostage and shouting "Death to America" in Tehran.
In 1991, it was the Sunni minority in Iraq who were oppressing the poor Shiites in Kuwait.
In 2001, it was the Wahabbi lunatics of the Afghan Taliban who were the violent ones spreading hatred of the West.
Now in 2012, it's the Salafists?
Fuck that. It's ISLAM that's the problem. Every time we attempt to stratify these fucking primates into their potential immediate danger to our security, we ignore the underlying problem:
Fucking ISLAM.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff, CEO - Jackboot Solutions, LLC at September 28, 2012 02:07 PM (ll6WS)
We are on the same trajectory.
Posted by: pep at September 28, 2012 02:07 PM (6TB1Z)
That'll do, Ace. That'll do.
Posted by: Count de Monet channeling Farmer Hoggett at September 28, 2012 02:07 PM (BAS5M)
Also, ace says >> And it is teaching, finally, that 9/11 was, like any other spasm of violence against those who do not bow to Islam, a justifiable expression of dissatisfaction with United States policy and American values.
Ward Churchill certainly agrees with this statement/ideology.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 28, 2012 02:07 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: John the Libertarian at September 28, 2012 02:08 PM (bJQRu)
Posted by: no good deed at September 28, 2012 02:08 PM (mjR67)
Posted by: Deanna at September 28, 2012 02:08 PM (hh9tk)
We have been shifting steadily left since the late 1800s. In the 60s we started giving up the desire to actually defend the country.
Now we have a lying shit-weasel for a President who apologizes for breathing when a group of 6th century savages invades an embassy and kills the ambassador because the same shit-weasel decided not to defend it.
If the founders could have magnets attached to their bones we would have a never ending power source. The only problem is they would be spinning so fast it would take a massive number of poles to reduce the frequency.
Posted by: Vic at September 28, 2012 02:09 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: t Just palin Donna , new and improved... at September 28, 2012 02:09 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Random at September 28, 2012 02:10 PM (u8eBQ)
My husband said yesterday...."Everything he does, is a part of his plan to destroy this country".
["he" = Barky]
Now, mind you, my dearly beloved does not engage in political conversation with me very often.
[He hates politics, but contributes and votes.]
And he is not a 'conspiracy theorist'.
But he is right...
When you look at everything that Barky has done...ever...it is all 'things that do harm' to our country.
So, what other conclusion could a thinking person come to?
Other than...'Barky is doing all of this on purpose, to destroy us'.
I ask you...what is One Thing....just one, single, thing...that TFG has done that is a good thing for the country?
'Destroying Our Laws' --- the subject of this thread, is a big one.
It's something that's been in the works for a while.
I fear that it is one of the final nails in our coffin.
We do ourselves a disservice, I think...by saying that TFG is a 'failure'.
He is succeeding at his prime directive -- to destroy us -- and succeeding at this rather well.
Posted by: wheatie at September 28, 2012 02:10 PM (l5RhJ)
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 28, 2012 02:10 PM (0muQ0)
Posted by: The Political Hat at September 28, 2012 02:11 PM (XvHmy)
Yeah, what Mama Winger said. We've been treating the Middle East like a giant bad neighborhood for about three generations now. Now we have a South Side of Chicago that reaches from the Pillars of Hercules to China. And they're flash-mobbing the shopping malls and suburbs.
Great job there, best and brightest. Great fucking job. You thought your degrees and suits and power lunches and press conferences and book contracts meant you could ignore basic human nature and the universe would alter itself to suit your needs. Now your kids and grandkids are going to have to beat the World Jihad or live with the consequences. Rot in hell.
Posted by: Secundus at September 28, 2012 02:11 PM (t2Zxt)
Don't forget the next President will leave an everlasting mark on SCOTUS.
Any additional Obama nominees will cement our future as indentured servants of a socialist state.
Posted by: exile at September 28, 2012 02:11 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Joe Mama at September 28, 2012 02:12 PM (rlba9)
Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at September 28, 2012 02:12 PM (bTzlP)
Er, I mean: So how many death stars did this movie get?
Posted by: mugiwara at September 28, 2012 02:12 PM (XT2y5)
Posted by: Mohammad Jackson at September 28, 2012 02:13 PM (0muQ0)
Posted by: B5D, from the phone at September 28, 2012 02:13 PM (5noOE)
"Suppose you accidentally click on a link and wind up seeing the raunchiest, most grotesque pornography imaginable.
What do you do?
You probably close the link and perhaps bark at whoever linked you to it."
I'd click on the related vids for more.
But seriously, that was a bit of good writing. I'm going to copy/paste this to some friends and claim it as my own.
Posted by: toliver at September 28, 2012 02:14 PM (fCAbm)
Islamic values are superior to American ones. After all, when the two come into conflict, which values win out?
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Hey, it's not like we were not warned ahead of time: "If the political winds should shift in an ugly direction, I'll side with the Muslims." Thus wrote Barry Hussein Obama, in Dreams From My Kenyan Commie Father Who Abandoned Me.
Posted by: Bystander at September 28, 2012 02:14 PM (/sohm)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at September 28, 2012 02:14 PM (4136b)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:14 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Up with people! at September 28, 2012 02:14 PM (kzFo5)
Posted by: JFirch at September 28, 2012 02:15 PM (Rq32D)
60 I hope Obama wins and Texas secedes, I no longer wanted to associated with a people who are basically pussies.
I think Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisianna would join in with Texas.
Posted by: wheatie at September 28, 2012 02:15 PM (l5RhJ)
Posted by: EC at September 28, 2012 02:16 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: Government Sensitive Religious Squad at September 28, 2012 02:16 PM (F6KtL)
Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
In view of current events I would suggest a small addition:
Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure and Mohammed was a pedophile.
Posted by: Secundus at September 28, 2012 02:16 PM (t2Zxt)
I think Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisianna would join in with Texas.
Posted by: wheatie at September 28, 2012 06:15 PM (l5RhJ)
If they were to do that there would be a stampede to those States...
Posted by: t Just palin Donna , new and improved... at September 28, 2012 02:16 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 28, 2012 02:17 PM (DuH+r)
Posted by: Normal Man That Is Tempted To at September 28, 2012 02:17 PM (S1RjJ)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 28, 2012 06:17 PM (DuH+r)
Pretty much what they would like to see happen to us..
Posted by: t Just palin Donna , new and improved... at September 28, 2012 02:18 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:18 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Mohammed's Nine-Year Old Wife at September 28, 2012 02:18 PM (F6KtL)
Posted by: ace at September 28, 2012 06:03 PM (LCRYB)
What's even worse, I dont think this appeasement is made by mistake , it's done by Obama and the likes to suppress freedom. MSM doing their part too.
They think they can use the raged mob to control civilized citizens.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 28, 2012 02:18 PM (AWmfW)
My wife's a Deputy DA here in LA County. She runs a court calendar, and as chance would have it the attorney for TFG's latest political prisoner--you know, the Blasphemer--appeared in her court on an unrelated matter.
She knows him, so she talked to him a bit about that whole thing. He said (paraphrasing), "The media is now nothing but a Federal agency." He said that he received calls at 2 AM harassing him about a Bar disciplinary matter from years ago that didn't even involve him directly, merely his firm.
He also said that he is being harassed by his peers simply for defending the guy.
When my wife expressed our support for him, she said he was effusive in expressing his gratitude, and got visibly emotional.
I feel for the guy. I mean, one of the bedrock tenets of the legal profession is that everyone deserves representation, and there is no dishonor in representing any defendant, no matter how heinous the charges. It must be a horrible slap in the face to be thrown under the bus by the very people he expected would defend him.
For my part, I'm surprised that his peers aren't at least paying him lip service. It just shows how close we are to the edge in this country when so many people are so ready to flush the First Amendment like this.
Seriously, I need to look into some shootin' lessons.
Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at September 28, 2012 02:18 PM (IlZPo)
I've been waiting for the right wing bloggers to wake up to this issue and become suitably outraged about violation of free speech rights due to fear of one particular violently inclined religion, and the patently biased approach to dealing with mockery of religion in our media and government.
Glad to see this thoughtful post. I hope more follows.
Posted by: CanadianGuy at September 28, 2012 02:18 PM (95GHD)
Posted by: Arbalest at September 28, 2012 02:18 PM (FUwsR)
Posted by: Up with people! at September 28, 2012 02:18 PM (kzFo5)
And we put up with it anyway, and we don't get all stabby about it.
Posted by: Sockpuppet Czar at September 28, 2012 02:18 PM (XMEwl)
Posted by: USA at September 28, 2012 02:18 PM (RIg+t)
Posted by: janetoo at September 28, 2012 02:19 PM (R+fMx)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 28, 2012 02:19 PM (ogdab)
Seriously, I need to look into some shootin' lessons.
Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at September 28, 2012 06:18 PM (IlZPo)
That story is chilling...
Posted by: t Just palin Donna , new and improved... at September 28, 2012 02:19 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Sockpuppet Czar at September 28, 2012 02:20 PM (XMEwl)
Posted by: uterus cannon at September 28, 2012 02:20 PM (RLTt1)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at September 28, 2012 02:20 PM (4136b)
perhaps, Christians should riot in the street, with slapping cheeks over Piss Christ thing. seems to work for others.
I would ask this of the leadership we have.
Have any countries in the ME after the 'Arab Spring' (sounds pleasant doesn't it) chosen a moderate or secular leadership for themselves?
Remember this was a Choice for Msulims , and what was chosen?
see being a paranoid fool as i am , i would say that bodes ill for the idea that Islamic countries desire friendship / peace/ and gentle kindness to women, children or countries existign around them.
Posted by: willow at September 28, 2012 02:20 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Random at September 28, 2012 02:21 PM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: Rev dr e buzz islam at September 28, 2012 02:21 PM (lAt8c)
Posted by: The littl shyning man at September 28, 2012 02:21 PM (PH+2B)
Posted by: Thanks, I'll Be Here All Day at September 28, 2012 02:21 PM (F6KtL)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 02:22 PM (QxSug)
Would you say I have a plethora of words?
Posted by: el Guapo at September 28, 2012 02:22 PM (LHewR)
Posted by: pep at September 28, 2012 06:01 PM (6TB1Z)
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Yes, and if we're going to have laws forbidding blasphemy against major religious figures, then we need to start with the blasphemies that Muslims routinely speak (and teach their children) against Jesus Christ.
I refer to the Islamic tenets that hold that Jesus Christ was "just a prophet," that He was not divine, that He was not crucified on the cross, and that He did not rise from the dead on the third day after his crucifixion.
These Islamic teachings are outrageous and offensive blasphemies against my religion, and I demand that the utterance of these types of anti-Christian blasphemy and "hate speech" henceforth be punishable by law.
Posted by: Bystander at September 28, 2012 02:23 PM (/sohm)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 02:23 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Sockpuppet Czar
Maybe. But I always thought cursing God would be kind of useless. Like the roaches shaking their tiny roach fists at the Orkin guy-- You don't like me? So what?
But Mohammed? He's just a guy who was lucky enough to be picked by God (or whoever it was who was talking to him--yeah, I went there).
Posted by: Secundus at September 28, 2012 02:23 PM (t2Zxt)
There is something that you're missing, Ace. Free speech may be law as defined in the law of the land, our Constitution, but it'd also one of the inalienable rights give to us by God. A lot of people take the inalienable right element a lot more seriously than a law written by men.
Yeah, it breaks my heart, but this nation is going to split sooner or later if this keeps up. And, yes, OK would stand with TX if they decide to separate from DC.
Posted by: Soona at September 28, 2012 02:23 PM (3jiPV)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:23 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: A. at September 28, 2012 02:24 PM (EiODI)
They appeal to people sensory perceptions; what feels good, sounds good or is pleasing to their ego.
That's why liberal supporters are flocking to Obama over contraception, free health care and free cell phones.
It appeals to their inner, unadulterated desires and needs. It's not an intellectual appeal or interrupted by logical factual thinking and conclusions.
For example, free is never "free". Someone pays for it. But the recipients supporting Obama either don't care or even consider that. They believe there is an endless supply of "free" stuff and they are going to take theirs.
So, they don't care about the deficit, federal budget or anything else. They care about themselves and what they get. That only "normative" in the sense it is about or relating to their needs, desires and feelings.
So they largely don't care or understand the usurpation and diminishing of their rights. That's a logical, factual argument that largely related to "us" as a nation and they don't care until it affects them. Provided they continue to get their "free" stuff, irrespective of cost, they don't care. Even if it makes them subjects or slaves of a tyrannical government.
Posted by: marcus at September 28, 2012 02:24 PM (JxQPs)
Posted by: Random at September 28, 2012 02:24 PM (u8eBQ)
I beg to differ. Christ wasn't the "prophet" of Christianity, he was its Messiah. He was not a man, but God made man to speak his word directly to us. Islam, calls Christ a prophet. We call him Lord of lords, and King of kings, Mighty God, Father, the Prince of Peace.
Islam calls Mohammad Prophet of Allah. We say Christ IS God. To compare the desecration of the name of a Prophet (In Christianity like Isaiah or in the new testament John who wrote Revelations) to that of God himself? There isn't any equivalence.
Yet we act like civilized people in the face of what is clearly meant as an insult.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular! With Full Stomping Power! at September 28, 2012 02:24 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Up with people! at September 28, 2012 02:24 PM (kzFo5)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 28, 2012 02:24 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 02:24 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: ace at September 28, 2012 02:25 PM (LCRYB)
Leftists don't understand this whole cause-effect thingy. Then again, leftists don't want to understand this because leftists likme to think that they can shape society by scribbling a few idiocies on a piece of paper. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2012 06:06 PM (X3lox)
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Liberals are always afraid. Posted by: Deanna at September 28, 2012 06:08 PM (hh9tk)
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Liberals assume Muslims are children incapable of controlling their tantrums. Posted by: John the Libertarian at September 28, 2012 06:08 PM (bJQRu)
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I'm in awe of how much you horse gagging bronto sockets think that you know. Complete awe. Speaking of which, when you lose the presidency and the senate, there's gonna be a collective "awwwwww" from the electorate -- to you. thanks again for all your efforts, as miniscule as they may actually be.
Posted by: Rupert Pupkin, Esq. at September 28, 2012 02:25 PM (icwKQ)
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This truly is the only hope for islam. For its people to convert from that monstrous ideology. Might I suggest some sources that do a remarkable job in trying to help make that happen. Voice of the Martyrs is one, Persecution.org is another. I support both with a monthly check.
Posted by: mama winger at September 28, 2012 02:25 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 02:26 PM (QxSug)
'Actually, most problems can be resolved without killing anyone.
Turn off your TV and think things through.'
Exactly! And don't worry about the killing, our side has that covered.
Posted by: Mohammed...Not THAT one, just the terrorist down the street at September 28, 2012 02:26 PM (F6KtL)
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It's worse than that even. Everyone now knows that the video had nothing to do with the embassy attack, and only is related to the rest of the rioting insofar as someone told them about it. Obama is teaching the savages that engaging in violence amongst themselves is enough to sway us. It's like how the fakestinians whine about how the Israelis are going to slaughter them the next time they pick a fight-which the damn europeans fall for every time.
Posted by: Methos at September 28, 2012 02:26 PM (6LvlL)
Posted by: TD at September 28, 2012 02:26 PM (JmO0O)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 28, 2012 02:27 PM (ZPrif)
Ask Ace to ban her and her cats.
Posted by: andycanuck at September 28, 2012 02:27 PM (vDl/w)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 02:28 PM (QxSug)
islam can't exist without coecion from the State.
I am of the opinion that this makes it something other than a religion.
Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2012 02:28 PM (LHewR)
Posted by: Random at September 28, 2012 02:28 PM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 28, 2012 02:28 PM (DuH+r)
Posted by: dogfish at September 28, 2012 02:29 PM (N2yhW)
'islam can't exist without coecion from the State.
I am of the opinion that this makes it something other than a religion.'
WHAT? HOW DARE YOU! OFF TO RE-EDUCATION CAMP FOR YOU MISTER!
Posted by: Teh State! at September 28, 2012 02:29 PM (F6KtL)
Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at September 28, 2012 02:29 PM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Civenti Tu Vergens (formerly known as Coach Marty) at September 28, 2012 02:29 PM (g4fjO)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:30 PM (nVOyV)
No he is Messiah in Christianity. That's a whole different category than Prophet. It's like saying a text message is the same thing as a full set of Encyclopedias because they both have words.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular! With Full Stomping Power! at September 28, 2012 02:30 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 28, 2012 02:31 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Random at September 28, 2012 02:32 PM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 28, 2012 02:32 PM (ogdab)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:32 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 02:32 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: The Jackhole at September 28, 2012 02:32 PM (DU15A)
the video is only a useful tool to use for the lefts goals anyway. will it stop at videos?
believe it will stop at disrespestive ads ?
how convenient for them.
that half the country are fools that would sell themselves out for a cell phone.
Posted by: willow at September 28, 2012 02:33 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: nip at September 28, 2012 02:33 PM (11Tdq)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:33 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Arbalest at September 28, 2012 02:33 PM (FUwsR)
Posted by: ace at September 28, 2012 02:33 PM (LCRYB)
that half the country are fools that would sell themselves out for a cell phone.
Posted by: willow at September 28, 2012 06:33 PM (TomZ9)
And 11 dollars an hour from the seiu...
Posted by: t Just palin Donna , new and improved... at September 28, 2012 02:34 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: tasker at September 28, 2012 02:34 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Zach at September 28, 2012 02:34 PM (F6KtL)
Posted by: Hobojerky at September 28, 2012 02:34 PM (fH34O)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff, CEO - Jackboot Solutions, LLC at September 28, 2012 02:34 PM (JDIKC)
Posted by: ace
He is about whom was prophecized.
Posted by: dogfish at September 28, 2012 02:35 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:35 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: mediumheadboy at September 28, 2012 02:35 PM (aHR5E)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:36 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Hobojerky at September 28, 2012 02:36 PM (fH34O)
Posted by: Sheikh Smirnoff at September 28, 2012 02:36 PM (r2PLg)
Trolls.
Cock.
Choice.
Posted by: mediumheadboy at September 28, 2012 06:35 PM (aHR5E)
Yeah, they have been unusually quiet today...
Posted by: t Just palin Donna , new and improved... at September 28, 2012 02:36 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Random at September 28, 2012 02:36 PM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 28, 2012 02:36 PM (ogdab)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 02:37 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Jean at September 28, 2012 02:37 PM (ilc7b)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:37 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: mama winger at September 28, 2012 02:37 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 02:37 PM (QxSug)
Things aren't moving according to islam's liking? Violent action will follow and be rewarded.
Which doesn't bode well for the future- does it?
What was the excuse for September 11th? Isn't there more than adequate excuse for a repeat?
Will people call our Mr. Obama for the dangerous game he is playing and of another attack falls upon us- the result?
No of course not/ Look at Libya, the deception and dishonest game the press is playing.
Posted by: marcus at September 28, 2012 02:37 PM (JxQPs)
Posted by: LizLem at September 28, 2012 02:37 PM (8wqqE)
>>>Our culture lacks the will to win and Islam does not.
Oh but we have a binary culture. The red/blue state thing is not just a political divide.
Which states have stand your ground laws? Which a duty to retreat?
More importantly, which states do not despise Christianity and martial vigor?
Posted by: typo dynamofo at September 28, 2012 02:38 PM (pjT+p)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 02:38 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 02:38 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 28, 2012 02:38 PM (0muQ0)
Posted by: Random at September 28, 2012 02:39 PM (u8eBQ)
Did you turn off your TV and think things through?
NO! MY RAGE IS UNCONTROLLABLE! YOU MUST SUBMIT TO OUR WILL OR....OR...OUR RAGE IS UNCONTROLLABLE!!
Posted by: Mohammed...Not THAT one, but will kill you nevertheless at September 28, 2012 02:39 PM (F6KtL)
Posted by: mediumheadboy at September 28, 2012 02:39 PM (aHR5E)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:39 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: ace at September 28, 2012 06:33 PM (LCRYB)
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There's a story from the bible where he stood on a hill overlooking Jerusalem and cried because he knew the fate of the city.
Posted by: kallisto at September 28, 2012 02:39 PM (jm/9g)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 06:38 PM (QxSug)
Well that's difficult in a Country that defines itself as hyphenated Americans...
Posted by: t Just palin Donna , new and improved... at September 28, 2012 02:39 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 28, 2012 02:39 PM (ogdab)
Yes, and if we're going to have laws forbidding blasphemy against major religious figures, then we need to start with the blasphemies that Muslims routinely speak (and teach their children) against Jesus Christ.
I refer to the Islamic tenets that hold that Jesus Christ was "just a prophet," that He was not divine, that He was not crucified on the cross, and that He did not rise from the dead on the third day after his crucifixion.
These Islamic teachings are outrageous and offensive blasphemies against my religion, and I demand that the utterance of these types of anti-Christian blasphemy and "hate speech" henceforth be punishable by law.
Posted by: Bystander at September 28, 2012 06:23 PM (/sohm)
This is one way of fighting back. And preferable to some of the ideas I have. This is a good first step. Make the supporters of these savages live up to their rules.
Posted by: rd at September 28, 2012 02:40 PM (9sUlj)
Posted by: dogfish at September 28, 2012 02:40 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 02:40 PM (QxSug)
A guy gets a great deal on a Tahoe and after the deal is done, funded and finalized. The guy gone home for a while and loving his new ride, the dealership realizes they fucked up and sold the Tahoe $5600 under their cost. So they call the guy up and say "We need you to come back and give us more money."
He says "A deal is a deal, I have a contract. Fuck off."
So the dealership calls the police and claim he stole the vehicle, an arrest warrant is issued and the guy goes to jail. The DA sees this whole thing is bogus and drops the charges with prejudice.
The dealership now says,"Let's let bygones be bygones, M'kay?"
"Keep the Tahoe with our blessing."
He's suing for 2.2 extra large plus attorney fees.
http://tinyurl.com/byetwomillion
Fuckin' Democrats too
Posted by: panzernashorn at September 28, 2012 02:40 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:40 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Sockpuppet Czar at September 28, 2012 02:41 PM (XMEwl)
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True, but the ones that aren't/don't rarely speak out against those who are/do.
Posted by: mediumheadboy at September 28, 2012 06:39 PM (aHR5E)
This ^ x eleventy
Posted by: The Jackhole at September 28, 2012 02:41 PM (DU15A)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 06:28 PM (QxSug) ..
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here's a thought - just behead the deists altogether, especially the ones who just PRETEND to love jeebus and his daddy, like the horse gobbling sub-normals that populate this grungy little pathetic corner of the Liberturdian Republicunt broom closet.
Posted by: Rupert Pupkin, Esq. at September 28, 2012 02:41 PM (icwKQ)
He told of prophecy, that doesn't make him a prophet. Technically those that wrote down what he said were the prophets. You see prophets are ordinary humans who get (a) message(s) from God. Their lives outside the dutiful dissemination of that message is unimportant.
Christ, was God. Everything he did on Earth, from when he washed his feet, to when he was doodling in the sand is studied and interpreted as a direct action of God.
God is not a Prophet, God has Prophets. If God gives you a prophecy God isn't the Prophet, you are.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular! With Full Stomping Power! at September 28, 2012 02:41 PM (0q2P7)
"It's teaching people that terrorism is justified."
Good point but par for the course for these assholes.
Occupy Wall Street, Bill Ayers and countless others agree. To them this society deserves to be terrorized.
Posted by: little billy badass at September 28, 2012 02:41 PM (xXhWA)
Posted by: Retard Fuckwit Esq. at September 28, 2012 02:42 PM (aHR5E)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:42 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Rupert Pupkin, Esq. at September 28, 2012 06:41 PM (icwKQ)
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You know how I know Jesus is God? Because God is Love and Jesus loves even ignorant corny asswipes such as yourself.
Posted by: kallisto at September 28, 2012 02:43 PM (jm/9g)
I'm picking this out of many posts that I'd have earlier responded to, but generally:
-Islam isn't as monolithic as it appears at first glance. The typical goatherd that goes to mosque regularly often isn't entirely literate and doesn't think deeply on topics within Islam. There is an entire class of clerics that interpret how you should wipe your bum for just these kinds of muslims.
- Islam is vulnerable in exactly the parts where they scream the loudest. Isn't that obvious? They cannot tolerate mockery. They cannot tolerate critical inquiry into the origins of the Koran. They cannot tolerate depictions of their scumbag prophet and his actions.
- There are varieties within that faith, with the basic first division being those who think the koran is third revelation from God in line after the Torah and the Bible, and those who think that it existed before any of those any those earlier Books are therefore perversions. The latter are extremists. If you can show the Koran as having changed over time, they fold. There is very little Koranic archeology or lit crit - wonder why?
Posted by: uterus cannon at September 28, 2012 02:43 PM (RLTt1)
Party registration overall in the USA is now R + 3
so...
Posted by: Major _____ de Coverly at September 28, 2012 02:43 PM (Dll6b)
Posted by: ace at September 28, 2012 06:33 PM (LCRYB)
While He's refered to as prophet, priest, and king I don't think it's meant the same way. When Isaiah prophecied, he was repeating what God told him (possibly via an angel). When Jesus 'prophecied' it was more a matter of saying "Here's what I'm going to do."Posted by: Methos at September 28, 2012 02:43 PM (6LvlL)
So this is how Liberty dies....with thunderous dhimmitude.
Posted by: Firing the Sith in the White House in November at September 28, 2012 02:43 PM (S1RjJ)
Posted by: Random at September 28, 2012 02:44 PM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2012 02:44 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:44 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: LASue at September 28, 2012 02:45 PM (wAhNv)
Posted by: marcus at September 28, 2012 02:45 PM (JxQPs)
Posted by: rlly at September 28, 2012 02:45 PM (8nysw)
Posted by: mama winger at September 28, 2012 02:45 PM (P6QsQ)
Baer just admitted FOx News uses a sampling weighted D +3.
Party registration overall in the USA is now R + 3
so...
BUT WHAT ABOUT ROMENY'S GAFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFESSS??????
Posted by: TEH TROOF MEDIA!!! at September 28, 2012 02:45 PM (F6KtL)
Posted by: Beagle at September 28, 2012 02:45 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: dogfish at September 28, 2012 02:45 PM (N2yhW)
Please explain to me how to reach muslims through any method other than showing them that an inability to pull their heads out of their medieval-thinking asses will result in grievous pain they will be unwilling to bear. Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 28, 2012 06:32 PM (ogdab)...
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medieval-thinking? have you ever seen catholics in costume? what century do you think governs their clothing style and philosophy?
Posted by: Rupert Pupkin, Esq. at September 28, 2012 02:46 PM (icwKQ)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:46 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 02:46 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at September 28, 2012 02:46 PM (AjH+Y)
Posted by: Jean at September 28, 2012 02:46 PM (OTtAK)
Go for it, Rupert. Full Libtard. It's not like you're going to be banned.
What else you got, bitch?
Posted by: Empire of Jeff, CEO - Jackboot Solutions, LLC at September 28, 2012 02:46 PM (JDIKC)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 28, 2012 02:46 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Up with people! at September 28, 2012 02:46 PM (kzFo5)
Then he said he was voting for Obama... because he's black.
I mean... you don't have to be an idiot to be a rapper do you?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 28, 2012 02:47 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:47 PM (nVOyV)
176 Because Leftism is strong and we are weak. That's why.
We aren't weak, our leaders and media figures are weak and they assume we share their views and want to bend over and kiss the behinds of the unwashed protesting masses in the Middle East to avoid the 'trouble' it will cause.
If all of the American people shared the values of the policital and media 'elites' we wouldn't have a military. We wouldn't have gun ownership. I think most people have given up paying attention to the media and the politicians since most of what they put out isn't even useful for fertilizer.
Posted by: AdamPM at September 28, 2012 02:47 PM (KQUMx)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at September 28, 2012 02:48 PM (T+lH2)
If a leftie/Islamic apologist ever says something like "but when a newspaper uses 'Christ', that's giving Jesus his honorific just like when a paper uses 'the Prophet Mo'!" you can ask them if they've ever heard a MSM source ever (and challenge them to a Google search) using the honorific "the Prophet Joseph" for the Mormons' Joseph Smith? (That one struck me last Monday when a Mormon used it on the U.S. Antiques Roadshow from Salt Lake City--a usage I'd never heard before.)
Posted by: andycanuck at September 28, 2012 02:48 PM (vDl/w)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff, CEO - Jackboot Solutions, LLC at September 28, 2012 06:46 PM (JDIKC)
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throat chlamydia?
Posted by: kallisto at September 28, 2012 02:48 PM (jm/9g)
Yeah! and just the other day I struck down a blasphemer with my poleax!
Posted by: typo dynamofo at September 28, 2012 02:48 PM (pjT+p)
I know Jesus was prefigured and prophecized but did he not also prophecize?
Posted by: ace
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Yes indeedy he did. I'm paraphrasing a tad here but he said, there's some bad shit gonna be headin' your way. Be ready.....and steady.
Posted by: Soona at September 28, 2012 02:48 PM (3jiPV)
We have empowered the Islamists....with our money.
We didn't used to care much about Islam.
But maybe some are too young to remember back that far.
Before we started importing their Oil...which was cheap at first, just like a drug dealer does it...we were aware of the "problems in the Mideast".
But it was a very distant concern.
We began importing their Oil....and Islam rode in along with it.
We got drug into their conflicts, to protect our addiction to their Oil.
It is the only thing that we 'need' from that area of the world.
We have shit-tons of our own Oil and Natural Gas.
But Barky and the Dems have done nothing but sabotage to our own domestic production.
They are more friendly to other countries who come here to exploit our natural resources...than to our own use of them.
This is the first thing we must do, to take away power from the Islamists...
Throw off all the shackles to our own domestic production, and stop the hemorrhage of our dollars going overseas...into the pockets of those who want to enslave us.
Any 'leader' who is not onboard with this, does not have our best interests at heart.
Posted by: wheatie at September 28, 2012 02:49 PM (l5RhJ)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff, CEO - Jackboot Solutions, LLC at September 28, 2012 02:49 PM (JDIKC)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:49 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 28, 2012 02:49 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2012 02:49 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Retard Fuckwit Esq. at September 28, 2012 02:49 PM (aHR5E)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 02:50 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2012 02:50 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 28, 2012 02:51 PM (r4wIV)
Go for it, Rupert. Full Libtard. It's not like you're going to be banned.
What else you got, bitch?
Posted by: Empire of Jeff, CEO - Jackboot Solutions, LLC at September 28, 2012 06:46 PM (JDIKC)
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christ, I hope that's not all I got -- jeezus, I'm not even warmed up, YPLOCHC. You Pathetic Load Of Communal (whiny, undereducated, incestuous) Horse Cum.
Posted by: Rupert Pupkin, Esq. at September 28, 2012 02:51 PM (icwKQ)
Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at September 28, 2012 02:51 PM (IlZPo)
Posted by: Random at September 28, 2012 02:51 PM (u8eBQ)
This is just the review of the trailer. If we do things right, the movie Ace is laying out will never come to pass in our lifetimes; we won't let it. A rewrite of the script is still possible, but time is of the essence.
Posted by: LizLem at September 28, 2012 02:51 PM (8wqqE)
This is the greatest Ace post ever. Ever.
Thank you for putting all this into a coherent train of thought.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at September 28, 2012 02:52 PM (u0MHM)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 28, 2012 02:52 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: goat lover at September 28, 2012 02:52 PM (7cL1O)
Posted by: Retard Fuckwit Esq. at September 28, 2012 02:52 PM (aHR5E)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 28, 2012 02:52 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 28, 2012 02:52 PM (feFL6)
Jesus cannot be considered a prophet.
He claimed to be the son of God. That makes him the son of God or a liar. Theres really no middle road.
Posted by: little billy badass at September 28, 2012 02:52 PM (xXhWA)
Posted by: Barney Frank at September 28, 2012 02:52 PM (IlZPo)
anyway i think many of the left's ideas are formulated from the standpoint of being a world citizens. no pride in being an american, no living better than any other country (which shows how far we must fall).
abdicating citzens of all under UN enforced mandates. re global poverty act.
distribution of funds from all that have anything to those that do not.
Posted by: willow at September 28, 2012 02:52 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: RWC at September 28, 2012 02:53 PM (t+Sdx)
I've been following the BarkingMoonbatEarlyWarningSystem blog for some time now. This is exactly what's going on over there. Wimpy ass judges siding with "the victimes" and all they want is more. "He insulted me arrest him." "It would be cruel to deport me back to my country." We won't move out of your house because you left it for two weeks." "We won't decamp from you field until we feel like it." "We have sued you to prevent your doing anything about it for at least six months."
If we continue with the current system of appeasment we will be right behind them.
I appologize to our forefathers for this mess. The time has come to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
Posted by: harleycowboy at September 28, 2012 02:53 PM (wSTfB)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 02:53 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 28, 2012 02:53 PM (6JMZR)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 28, 2012 02:54 PM (r4wIV)
I consider myself a Christian despite the fact that I reject most supernatural and non-scientific elements of the bible. Essentially I beleive that the fundamental message of flawed human being offered salvation is a relief and according to the golden rule is the way I want to live my life.
With that said, I know that Jesus can stand being submerged in piss. He is that strong. I know that he can stand up to blasphemy and heresy. He is that powerful. there is nothing that anyone can say or do to take away the power of Christ for those that chose to beleive.
If your prophet needs the protection of the State, I'm thinking he isn't that great.
Posted by: california red at September 28, 2012 02:54 PM (Ho3p+)
Posted by: thunderb a conservative jew at September 28, 2012 02:55 PM (Dnbau)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 02:55 PM (QxSug)
That's why I can't have asperger's after 8:00 (especially with onions).
When fuckstick finally gets around to reading this, he will correct my spelling and totally miss the point.
Posted by: fluffy at September 28, 2012 02:55 PM (3SvjA)
The birth and life of the Christ was prophesized by the Jewish prophets, Isaih in particular.
John the Baptist was a prophet who foretold the imminent arrival of the Christ.
Jesus Christ himself said He was not a prophet and did not come to supplant the Laws of Judaism (the Commandments), but to fulfill them. He also knew that He would be rejected, and ultimately crucified for His stand. He then taught the 12 disciples to be Apostles for His new Church. He knew there would have to be a break with Judaism, because conventional Judaism of that time would reject him. And yet the kingdom of Judea was the only place that Jesus could actually have thrived in His ministry, because the people were already monotheistic, and were ready to believe. A great many of the early "Christians" were Jews who came to reject their religion. Hence, Saul of Damascus saw himself as the great cleanser who would persecute the converted Jewish Christians. And on the road to Damascus.....
Jesus was God incarnate as Man. He came to teach and inspire and begin a universal Church that would be for all Men for all time. By that statement alone, he was not a conventional Jewish prophet.
He was a teacher. His own disciples called him "Rabbi", which means teacher. He did not prophesize as much as try to teach through parables. Although he did make one clear prophesy, which was misunderstood. He said "If this Temple is destroyed, I will rebuild it again in three days." Which His followers thought He meant the Temple in Jerusalem. But Jesus meant Himself as the Temple.
Jesus spoke clearly on one particular issue with is directly relevant to this whole argument. There would be no other prophets to follow Him. Either you believe Jesus Christ, or you accept Islam. If you are a believing Christian, then you have to reject Islam as an apostasy. There is no other alternative in your choices. Rejection does not have to be violent, as I would not advocate violence against non-believers (atheists). It is, as has been said, a free country. And a philosophical tenent of Christianity is there can be no coercion in belief (contra to Islam).
The Prophet Mohammed was a man that was allegedly "purified" by God. He made war to expand his religion in Asia Minor, making war on Christians and Jews alike to spread Islam. The similarity to Jesus and the claim by Islam that he was a "prophet" is clearly an invented piece of non-sense. That is just one of the insidious ways in which Islam fights against Christianity.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch (fake Internet person) writes.... at September 28, 2012 02:55 PM (RFeQD)
That's why the more lawless and immoral a society has become, the more laws it has. That internal encouragement to do right is damaged or gone, so external pressure not to do what is declared wrong is all that's left.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 28, 2012 02:56 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: dogfish at September 28, 2012 02:57 PM (N2yhW)
The point you made about TFG not saying "No" when he could have is the salient point in your post.
The effeminate black muzlim in the White House will not say no to his heart's desire. He wants this, this great capitulation to islam.
We have been betrayed.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 28, 2012 02:57 PM (lOmbq)
Posted by: thunderb a conservative jew at September 28, 2012 02:57 PM (Dnbau)
Posted by: tasker at September 28, 2012 02:58 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff, CEO - Jackboot Solutions, LLC at September 28, 2012 02:58 PM (JDIKC)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:58 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: willow at September 28, 2012 02:58 PM (TomZ9)
t depends on which Christianity you adhere to. Catholic doctrine is that Jesus is fully God and was fully man, thus prophet and Savior.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at September 28, 2012 02:58 PM (pjT+p)
That is the best irony of the new testament. The 12 Apostles start following Christ because they think HE'S the prophet. It turns out they were.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular! With Full Stomping Power! at September 28, 2012 02:58 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 02:58 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 28, 2012 06:51 PM (r4wIV)
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He also said, take a lesson from the trees. Just like when you see the leaves start popping out, you know summer is coming. And when you see certain things start happening around you, listen up. Get a clue. Know that the season is at hand.
Starting to feel a bit seasonal lately.
Posted by: mama winger at September 28, 2012 02:58 PM (P6QsQ)
True but not completely buying it. If society doesn't accept the lawless behavior the crowd tends to conform. In this case, if general society won't tolerate the behavior of the savages then the fringe won't either.
Posted by: dogfish at September 28, 2012 02:59 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: Beto at September 28, 2012 02:59 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Andrew Trevor-Reeves at September 28, 2012 02:59 PM (NCkFb)
"...whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these
ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..."
Posted by: Keith Arnold at September 28, 2012 02:59 PM (Jdtsu)
Well put. Cross posting. One question remains: At what point do we get the pitchforks and torches?
Posted by: Penultimatum at September 28, 2012 02:59 PM (EEUs4)
Posted by: Henry in Des Moines at September 28, 2012 03:00 PM (EuW9O)
Posted by: Random at September 28, 2012 03:00 PM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: Rupert I like to eat my poopeypants, Esq at September 28, 2012 03:00 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff, CEO - Jackboot Solutions, LLC at September 28, 2012 03:00 PM (JDIKC)
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at September 28, 2012 03:00 PM (KL49F)
No. There is an aspect outside of the law that is much more effective because it is ubiquitous- culture. You can in fact shame people into behaving in different ways.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at September 28, 2012 03:00 PM (pjT+p)
Posted by: Rupert I like to eat my poopeypants, Esq at September 28, 2012 03:01 PM (/YJYi)
275 Brett Baier doing devastating time line report of the JEF and the ME the last 2 weeks
Yes he did.
Actually...it was a timeline of the last 3 weeks, beginning with the DNC Convention.
He pulled together the epic bragging that went on then...about 'killing Bin Laden' and thus 'destroying Al Qaeda'....
And tied it to being their reason for Lying About the Attacks On 09/11 of this year.
Brett Baer rearranged the format of his show, to do this.
It was really very cool.
Posted by: wheatie at September 28, 2012 03:01 PM (l5RhJ)
Posted by: Just askin at September 28, 2012 03:02 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2012 03:02 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff, CEO - Jackboot Solutions, LLC at September 28, 2012 03:02 PM (JDIKC)
These words make me want to punch you in the face and so according to your reasoning should not have been typed.
Asshole
Posted by: typo dynamofo at September 28, 2012 03:03 PM (pjT+p)
"That's why the more lawless and immoral a society has become, the more laws it has. That internal encouragement to do right is damaged or gone, so external pressure not to do what is declared wrong is all that's left."
So a tolerant society evolves into an amoral society.
Posted by: harleycowboy at September 28, 2012 03:03 PM (wSTfB)
I can just see Insty excerpting and then posting "Read the whole thing".
Finished with setup. Got my Rube Goldberg but killer bass amp sound happening for tonight's gig. Here's the signal chain for the few that are into such things:
Fender Jazz 24 or Fender Jazz Fretless to wireless, to compressor, to distortion effect, to '67 Ampeg B-15 head, to dummy load, to Carvin BX 1200 head, to 4-10 inch Avatar speakers, also miked into PA system.
Nasty, ballsy rock sound. Stand back and get some girls on this dance floor.
Posted by: Meremortal at September 28, 2012 03:03 PM (jTKU5)
There is a massive coverup going on and most of the msm seems completely uninterested.
Wow.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2012 07:02 PM (TMB3S)
I was surprised CNN was actually talking about this today as well
Posted by: The Jackhole at September 28, 2012 03:04 PM (DU15A)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Harry Reid is a pederast and a strangler at September 28, 2012 03:04 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Beto at September 28, 2012 03:04 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:04 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2012 03:05 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Harry Reid is a pederast and a strangler at September 28, 2012 03:05 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:05 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: gramar nazi at September 28, 2012 03:05 PM (Id+W0)
Posted by: gramar nazi at September 28, 2012 03:06 PM (Id+W0)
Posted by: Random at September 28, 2012 03:07 PM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: Just askin at September 28, 2012 03:07 PM (wsGWu)
Suppose you accidentally click on a link and wind up seeing the raunchiest, most grotesque pornography imaginable.
What do you do?
I'm confused. Which AoSHQ meme joke is most appropriate here?
Ace Movie Review Joke
Accidental Busty Lesbian Pron Joke
Longbow Joke
Nah, I've got it.
http://tinyurl.com/3mqu5b
NSFW.......of course
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2012 03:07 PM (TIIx5)
Not that it affects your point that people didn't criticize the Church when it was powerful but civil governments of the time killed alot more than any of the official or unofficial Inquisitions did and both of these are dwarfed by the toll taken by 20th Century secular states.
BTW, everyone who appeared before the Spanish Inquisition had a legal representative and you probably weren't expecting this but the Spanish Inquisition declared witchcraft to be a delusion about 100 years before England did.
courses.washington.edu/hsteu205/Spanish witch trials.htm
Posted by: andycanuck at September 28, 2012 03:07 PM (vDl/w)
That said, you are so correct. And I am just SICK over it. This SOB has to go. Today is payday. Romney gets some more of my money. I will try to persuade the persuadable. I will volunteer on election day. This SOB has got to go.
Posted by: small town girl at September 28, 2012 03:08 PM (KyP5E)
The law most certainly can COMPEL good behavior (if you don't think so, try breaking the law in some obvious manner in front of the police) , but it can also ideally encourage good behavior. The law is our teacher,
If
1) the law is reasonable and understandable
2) the law is seen by the majority as fair and just
Unreasonable laws and usurpations have been grounds for.....revolution. If you lose the respect and silent consent of the majority, it is only a matter of time until things come apart. I, personally, refuse to live as a slave to the State, or see my rights as a Citizen be diminished by that which is unjust and wrong, which infringes on my inalienable rights as a free man.
None dare call it treason......
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch (fake Internet person) writes.... at September 28, 2012 03:08 PM (RFeQD)
Posted by: Hobojerky at September 28, 2012 03:09 PM (fH34O)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:10 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Random at September 28, 2012 03:10 PM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:11 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Galadriel at September 28, 2012 03:12 PM (WFZEf)
Again, that doesn't make them do right it makes them avoid what they are taught is wrong. The lawmost certainly canCOMPEL good behavior (if you don't think so, try breaking the law in some obvious manner in front of the police)
That's not good behavior, that's an absence of lawbreaking behavior.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 28, 2012 03:12 PM (r4wIV)
Hi willow...
We cover a wide swath from Roy Orbison to Red Hot Chili Peppers. We have about 150 cover tunes from 1964 to very recent.
Posted by: Meremortal at September 28, 2012 03:13 PM (jTKU5)
Posted by: andycanuck at September 28, 2012 03:13 PM (vDl/w)
Lots did. They got burned and tortured, but they spoke out. Eventually the inquisition was wiped out, mostly by the Reformation.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 28, 2012 03:14 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:14 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Random at September 28, 2012 03:15 PM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:16 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Random at September 28, 2012 03:17 PM (u8eBQ)
Posted by: willow at September 28, 2012 03:19 PM (TomZ9)
Ther are about 1.3 billion Muslims on the planet. We are told that the radicals are a tiny minority. Apparently that tiny minority has already intimidated the "moderates" into silence as we hear almost nothing from them.
Can anyone explain how there won't be an ongoing, escalating war for decades with Islam that will result in hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of deaths?
Posted by: Meremortal at September 28, 2012 03:20 PM (jTKU5)
247
I don't know.
There are parallels between Mandela and Obama.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 07:16 PM (nVOyV)
The two obvious ones being skin color (which is irrelevant) and being closely affiliated with terrorism at some time in their lives.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2012 03:21 PM (TIIx5)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:22 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 07:14 PM (nVOyV)
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The typical inanimate object is more intelligent than you.
Posted by: I Am A Rock at September 28, 2012 03:22 PM (jTKU5)
Posted by: willow at September 28, 2012 03:24 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:25 PM (nVOyV)
1.3 billion,
and we are to believe they are in a minority status to be protected from fearsome words.
Posted by: willow at September 28, 2012 03:27 PM (TomZ9)
Posted by: willow at September 28, 2012 07:19 PM (TomZ9)
Thanks willow, it is a ball, especially at 63. I was a pro and fairly successful when I was young, and started playing for fun again about 12 years ago. Music is my main interest again now that I have retired from gainful employment. The sad thing for the cats that are still pros is that the money for bar bands hasn't gone up in 40 years. Session pay is a little better, but not much.
Posted by: I Am A Rock at September 28, 2012 03:28 PM (jTKU5)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:28 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Random at September 28, 2012 03:28 PM (u8eBQ)
Sounds like it could be the Gospel according to John Deere, though.
Posted by: comatus at September 28, 2012 03:29 PM (qaVK+)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:30 PM (nVOyV)
You will find it better policy to say --
"'We never pay anyone dangeld,
No matter how trifing the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that pays it is lost!'"
--Kipling, "Danegeld"
And danegeld is not necesarrily financial. We have been paying it for some time, and they will continue demanding it.
Posted by: Empire1 just got a new kitten at September 28, 2012 03:30 PM (q11YS)
Posted by: willow at September 28, 2012 07:24 PM (TomZ9)
Didn't see that post but I'm down with it.
Posted by: I Am A Rock at September 28, 2012 03:30 PM (jTKU5)
Posted by: andycanuck at September 28, 2012 03:30 PM (vDl/w)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:31 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:32 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:33 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: andycanuck at September 28, 2012 03:35 PM (vDl/w)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 03:37 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:37 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:40 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:41 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 28, 2012 03:42 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: MirrorMirrorOnTheWall-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:43 PM (feFL6)
Nice post ace.
Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at September 28, 2012 03:43 PM (he2LC)
Posted by: MirrorMirrorOnTheWall-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:44 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at September 28, 2012 03:44 PM (1iauC)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:47 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2012 03:48 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:48 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:50 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 28, 2012 06:52 PM (ZPrif)
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there's no latent racism in the libertrudian republicunt fringe. nooohhh. c'mon, that's an unfair stereotype perpatrated by liberals! gimme a break -- nooo -ohh - ooohhhhhh ... !
Posted by: Rupert Pupkin, Esq. at September 28, 2012 03:50 PM (icwKQ)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:53 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:56 PM (nVOyV)
provoke the oppressed to defend themselves be regulated, in an
even-handed and responsible fashion. These words make me want to punch you in the face and so according to your reasoning should not have been typed.
Asshole
Posted by: typo dynamofo at September 28, 2012 07:03 PM (pjT+p)
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hey douche, your intolerance is worthy of Muslim Jihadi. All you have to do is replace "punch you in the face" with "behead", and replace "asshole" with "infidel." man, put a feather in your cap - you're halfway there ! kudos !
Posted by: Rupert Pupkin, Esq. at September 28, 2012 03:57 PM (icwKQ)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:58 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 03:59 PM (nVOyV)
Posted by: Rupert Pupkin, Esq. at September 28, 2012 04:01 PM (icwKQ)
So, are we in agreement that Islam is a terrible religion, then?
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 28, 2012 07:59 PM (nVOyV)
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dude - get a grip. they're ALL terrible, its just that Islam is particularly distasteful to Americans, even though the 'mer'kins on this thread manifest an intolerance of thought and a vehemence of ignorance that would meld nicely with the lunatic Islamic fringe. a fringe, is a fringe, fucktards.
Posted by: Rupert Pupkin, Esq. at September 28, 2012 04:03 PM (icwKQ)
Posted by: Retard Fuckwit Esq. at September 28, 2012 04:08 PM (aHR5E)
Posted by: ig at September 28, 2012 05:36 PM (5Cwv4)
Posted by: andycanuck at September 28, 2012 05:47 PM (vDl/w)
The media are smart that way. Evil, but smart.
Posted by: PJ at September 28, 2012 06:23 PM (DQHjw)
Posted by: EROWMER at September 28, 2012 06:46 PM (kxlCQ)
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