June 06, 2012
— DrewM Can you stand a little more Wisconsinfreude (Cuffy's term)? I'm sure you can.
Chuck Todd was a little touchy this morning when I called him out for relying on the "but the exit polls show Obama winning WI" garbage.
@DrewMTips learn how exit polls work... Then criticize.again, it was weighted incorrectly... The raw data is reliable. All exit polls get weighted to actual results.
Tell you what Team Exit Polls...show me what a voter who supports Obama and Scott Walker looks like and then I'll take you seriously (actually, I'll laugh at them but close enough).
I'd love to see a Venn Diagram of people who believe exit poll data over actual votes and people who believe climate models over observable climate data. I bet there's a big overlap.
And don't buy the "Walker and the Koch brothers bought the election" spin. The left spent plenty of money on this. Besides, when did the left start caring about outspending opponents? I seem to recall (SWIDT) a guy named Barack Obama promising to take public funding and abide by equal spending limits only to change his mind and outspend John McCain 3-1.
One final thought, a lot of the lefty whining over Wisconsin and Walker is that by preventing the state from collecting dues for unions Walker is destroying the Democratic party's main funding and organizing sources. Think about that for a second, liberals think they have an inherent right to have the state subsidize and compel financing for their political operations.
Today we are all Cheeseheads!
Added: The saddest spin...Wisconsin Democrats didn't want Obama's help anyway and besides Obama wanted them to show how awesome they are without his help.
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Posted by: Andy at June 06, 2012 07:24 AM (5Rurq)
Posted by: huerfano at June 06, 2012 07:25 AM (bAGA/)
US Markets are up today, why?
Because of Scott Walker's victory. But CNBC will tell you it's because of "EU Debt Hopes."
Posted by: Soothsayer D. Eisenhower at June 06, 2012 07:25 AM (eMRto)
Posted by: Truman North at June 06, 2012 07:26 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: blaster at June 06, 2012 07:27 AM (HR5x9)
Posted by: eman at June 06, 2012 07:27 AM (6KkLK)
Does anyone think that other Union States were not paying attention to this?
Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2012 07:27 AM (YdQQY)
What do you suppose was the margin of fraud in this one? I know a lot of democrats voted for Walker because he makes more sense and because even they didn't think the recall was the right thing to do ethically. So, if they have scruples about this, what sort of scruples do you suppose they will have voting for or against the SCOAMF?
Posted by: tcn at June 06, 2012 07:28 AM (ZOUmX)
GO BOLDLY WITH CONSERVATIVE OFFENSIVE
Posted by: Wiscofreude at June 06, 2012 07:29 AM (lpWVn)
But nooooo! don't hear that from the Left.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 06, 2012 07:29 AM (famk3)
It's really funny how it's lost on all the financial pundits that state government solvency is a positive for investors.
All their eyes are on the EU's debt debacle while right here we have our own debt debacle in Washington and in most states.
But you'll never hear or read that that the US Markets are up today because of Republican electoral victory and debt/pension reform.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 06, 2012 07:29 AM (eMRto)
"I don't know why the media pays those pollsters....they're unreliable but the media heads lead with their numbers and then look ridiculous when the real numbers come in."
Posted by: Tami at June 06, 2012 07:30 AM (X6akg)
That I believe. The guy's poison. Imagine what the gap would have been if he HAD showed up in WI?
Posted by: Hobbitopoly at June 06, 2012 07:30 AM (SBBF5)
A Kerry Landslide? by Chuck Todd
http://tinyurl.com/6f5sr65
Posted by: ryukyu at June 06, 2012 07:30 AM (MOHSR)
Posted by: tcn at June 06, 2012 11:28 AM (ZOUmX)
I see the Dems who profess to support both Walker and the SCOAMF as being in a transitional stage; they know that Walker was right but they haven't make the mental transition to concluding that the SCOAMF is wrong. That will come as soon as they get comfortable with Romney. I think the recall is jolting a lot of temporary SCOAMF-lovers back to reality.
Posted by: joncelli, for more than 4 hours at June 06, 2012 07:31 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 06, 2012 07:32 AM (USExO)
Union Money Spent on Recall: $12.75 million
Occuturd Damage to Capitol Building: $1.2 million.
Bill for polling showing race tightening: $15,275
Watching Walker give his victory speech: PRICELESS!!!!
Posted by: fixerupper at June 06, 2012 07:32 AM (C8hzL)
Actual headline from this November
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"How Romney's Win Last Night Will Help Obama"
Posted by: Winston Smith at June 06, 2012 07:33 AM (+baFD)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 06, 2012 07:33 AM (USExO)
@DrewMTips learn how exit polls work... Then criticize.
again, it was weighted incorrectly... The raw data is reliable. All exit polls get weighted to actual results.
In other words, fake but accurate.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 06, 2012 07:33 AM (JxMoP)
It's long past time to pull the corruption ring union dues rug out from under the democrat's feet.
Posted by: fresh at June 06, 2012 07:34 AM (O7ksG)
Holy Daddy Issues, Batman.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 06, 2012 07:34 AM (ZKzrr)
"Their [CNN's] real-time web editing software apparently replaces non-family friendly phrases like “wipes his ass with…” with “narrowly defeats”."
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at June 06, 2012 07:34 AM (PMGbu)
Those living in neighboring states already know far too clearly what comes of petting Unions.
It isn't as if unions have no place. But until the membership clears out their leadership (sound familiar?) the corrupt tree only produces rot as it disintegrates, though taking its share of water and nutrients for naught.
/glorified thug ads "imported from detroit" is inane at best, btw
Posted by: Wiscofreude at June 06, 2012 07:34 AM (lpWVn)
I once saw a license plate frame near San Francisco that said "Exit Polls Don't Lie, Kerry Won"
A true believer.
Posted by: Max Entropy at June 06, 2012 07:35 AM (mYeeA)
Wow that RNC ad is great:
"The president who didn't bother to show up now faces a nation ready for real leadership".
Posted by: kallisto at June 06, 2012 07:36 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: ACE Union Member at June 06, 2012 07:36 AM (HOOye)
again, it was weighted incorrectly... The raw data is reliable. All exit polls get weighted to actual results. --
In other words, fake but accurate. --
Virtually true.
Posted by: Wiscofreude at June 06, 2012 07:36 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 06, 2012 07:36 AM (famk3)
Posted by: nerdygirl at June 06, 2012 07:36 AM (V/Aej)
Battered Wife Syndrome or what? No wonder these idiots never leave the plantation...
Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 06, 2012 07:37 AM (Y6Se/)
Wis Dems to Obama..."Love me daddy"
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Stripper pole...Union thugs...Astro glide...some assembly req'd.
Posted by: dananjcon at June 06, 2012 07:37 AM (eavT+)
Posted by: GMan at June 06, 2012 07:37 AM (sxq57)
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 06, 2012 07:37 AM (SODRl)
Goes to Unions wanting to remove the private vote -- forcing members to expose their private view and suffer consequences from thugs if countering the mandate.
Posted by: Wiscofreude at June 06, 2012 07:38 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 06, 2012 07:38 AM (USExO)
Posted by: nerdygirl at June 06, 2012 07:38 AM (V/Aej)
Posted by: Jimbo at June 06, 2012 07:39 AM (O3R/2)
I would have loved to have talked to that guy last night and ask him a few questions. Democracy is dead because the taxpayers decided we could only afford to pay for 75% of your retirement, not 100%? Democracy is dead because you now have to contribute about half of what private sector employees do for your health care instead of nothing at all?
If that's democracy, well then RIP, democracy. No big loss, we're a constitutional republic, anyway.
Posted by: Killface at June 06, 2012 07:39 AM (BDd0G)
"Obama was saying 'it's important for you to do this on your own'"??
Yeah 'cause every parent loves to see their baby faceplant a couple dozen times as they're learning to walk. It's so much more entertaining than giving the little tyke a hand to hold as he toddles along.
Posted by: kallisto at June 06, 2012 07:40 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: Wiscofreude at June 06, 2012 07:40 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 06, 2012 07:41 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: ACE Union Member at June 06, 2012 07:41 AM (HOOye)
Where were the Dr. Paul supporters in this recall effort? Did they kick in money/endorsements/volunteers? Did they help in any damn way at all? No, I didn't think so. So when the Paul-bots show up to make ass-hats out of themselves at the national convention just remember they won't do shit for anyone else in the party.
Just had to get that off my chest. Imma crawl back under my lurking rock now.
Posted by: Ryt at June 06, 2012 07:42 AM (L7BXh)
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And the riots would be a good time for unions to discover they do not have a monopoly on the use of force.
Posted by: John Galt's Bile Duct at June 06, 2012 07:42 AM (+/VIS)
"I'd love to see a Venn Diagram of people who believe exit poll data over actual votes and people who believe climate models over observable climate data. I bet there's a big overlap. "
I can do it without any of your fancy PhotoShop or MS Paint. I can do it in ASCII.
It looks like this: O
Posted by: reason at June 06, 2012 07:43 AM (q/kmn)
Posted by: blaster at June 06, 2012 07:43 AM (HR5x9)
I almost wet my pants. What a pussy.
Posted by: mpfs at June 06, 2012 07:43 AM (iYbLN)
Ignore it.
First, these are the same polls that showed Walker and Barrett in a dead heat on election day. So they were about seven points off. It's highly likely they'd be the same amount off in assessing Obama's support.
Second, the polls obviously won't take into account the effect of the Walker triumph itself. Low information voters/independents/self-styled "moderates" tend to break toward the side they think is winning. Republicans are winning, and winning breeds more winning.
Third, Wisconsin's most popular politicians are all Republicans -- Ron Johnson, Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, and former Governor Tommy Thompson. All will be out there in force campaigning with Romney. Thompson will be the Republicans' U.S. Senate nominee running against a very weak Democratic candidate for Herb Kohl's open seat in November. He will win easily, and that win will drive the Republican vote for President too.
Fourth, Wisconsin was very very close in 2000 and 2004. It was only a Democratic blowout in the annus horribilus of 2008. A closely divided state is the default; a Democratic majority is the exception.
Finally, there is a real chance with the continued bad national economy and repudiations like Wisconsin (and Democrats like Bill Clinton jumping ship and throwing Obama under the bus) that there will be a "preference cascade" against Obama. People are tired of his act, tired of his whining excuses, tired of his narcisissism, tired of his incompetence. Once it becomes socially acceptable to criticize Obama and come out against him, I'd expect a lot of so-called "moderates" to break for Romney.
Posted by: The Regular Guy at June 06, 2012 07:44 AM (qHCyt)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 06, 2012 07:44 AM (Y6Se/)
by preventing the state from collecting dues for unions Walker is destroying the Democratic party's main funding and organizing sources.
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THIS. The most disgusting thing about labor is that they fund the democrat party through forced donations from their members, and ultimately through all taxpayers via closed shop legislation.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 06, 2012 07:45 AM (DRgeg)
Posted by: nerdygirl at June 06, 2012 11:38 AM (V/Aej)
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This is the funniest thing...they just can't bring themselves to the fact that this IS a referendom on Unions. Then they decry that destroying unions will destroy the country...when union make up less than 10% of the total workforce, how is this possible.
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My WisconsinBoner will last for days...no doubt.
Posted by: dananjcon at June 06, 2012 07:45 AM (eavT+)
Posted by: Hayabusa at June 06, 2012 07:46 AM (Fiudi)
Yeah. "Aliens may land on EArth within a few days." LOL.
Posted by: PJ at June 06, 2012 07:46 AM (DQHjw)
Oh, but you see, Paulinians are Pure Conservatives! They don't have time for people who merely exist on this plane of the universe. Why I bet you only have one right hand, don't you!!
(Good point. Should be in A POST, COB-LOGGERS!)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 06, 2012 07:46 AM (famk3)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 06, 2012 07:47 AM (Y6Se/)
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Huh. If you really believe that's likely to happen, that might be a good time to launch a recall against him, huh? Too bad you can't try that again until 2014.
Posted by: Killface at June 06, 2012 07:47 AM (BDd0G)
Could this recall have blown up in their faces any worse than this? Happydance.
Posted by: eleven at June 06, 2012 07:48 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: eureka! at June 06, 2012 07:50 AM (xCpfo)
I'll be in my bunk.
Posted by: Jimbo at June 06, 2012 07:50 AM (O3R/2)
Wow, that really matches Walker's response to victory, NOT.
/conspiracy theorist/
Why ask a question that you have no intention of researching or accepting information regarding? Go to their websites to figure before hatching a stink bomb.
Either Mitt needs their votes, or he doesn't.
Posted by: Wiscofreude at June 06, 2012 07:50 AM (lpWVn)
1. WI finances are in good shape and all workers deserve a 'fair" retirement.
2. Fair retirement should be financed by "fair" taxes.
3. His response to union members dropping out like flies "<silence>".
Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2012 07:50 AM (YdQQY)
Scornpiss.
Posted by: eleven at June 06, 2012 07:51 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 06, 2012 07:52 AM (DGIjM)
I'm still laughing because they think SCOAMF is their fucking *daddy*.
While we admire Reagan and assorted others who share our ideals, we have *leaders*, not *parents*.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 06, 2012 07:52 AM (ZKzrr)
I almost wet my pants. What a pussy.
Posted by: mpfs at June 06, 2012 11:43 AM (iYbLN)
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I think that guy used to work for me here in Jersey(seriously). Yeah, we shit-canned his lazy-pot-head-ass, he was a big whiny C**T.
Posted by: dananjcon at June 06, 2012 07:53 AM (eavT+)
VIDEO: Wis. recall race a sad night for MSNBC
http://tinyurl.com/79rjenb
Posted by: Tami at June 06, 2012 07:54 AM (X6akg)
Oh, yes, I caught that too. The implication was so subtle you barely noticed as he bludgeoned you over the head with it. "your messiah is not pleased, wisconsin liberals. You have failed him, and he is very, VERY disappointed in you."
Posted by: Killface at June 06, 2012 07:54 AM (BDd0G)
"So one thing I notice is that Romney isn't all over the airwaves this morning. You know if Barrett had won, Obama would be on every channel taking credit."
Part of this may be Romney's humility. A LOT OF THIS is the MFM not wanting to talk about it.
Posted by: reason at June 06, 2012 07:54 AM (q/kmn)
Posted by: Jones in CO at June 06, 2012 07:55 AM (8sCoq)
>>All exit polls get weighted to actual results.
By the time you have actual results, your exit poll is irrelevant.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 06, 2012 07:55 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Barky O'Dogeater at June 06, 2012 07:56 AM (qhHI4)
I'm still laughing because they think SCOAMF is their fucking *daddy*.
While we admire Reagan and assorted others who share our ideals, we have *leaders*, not *parents*.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 06, 2012 11:52 AM (ZKzrr)
Yeah, I thought it was a daddy thing, too. Until I realized that all he's doing is just covering for Bambi's **** move. "He hits us because he loves us."
Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 06, 2012 07:56 AM (Y6Se/)
Posted by: Cicero at June 06, 2012 07:57 AM (qhHI4)
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Now you are just exposing your ignorance. Just ask any Kerry supporter from 2004 which matters more, exit polls or actual results.
Actual results. *chortle*. Don't worry, we all make silly mistakes sometimes.
Posted by: Killface at June 06, 2012 07:57 AM (BDd0G)
Posted by: The Almighty Baraka at June 06, 2012 07:58 AM (qhHI4)
@60:
To your point about Clintoon jumping ship: on Closing Bell, Wild Bill opined that the Bush tax cuts should be extended. He also used the "R" word in the same interview.
In response to Roger Simon's comment: "Bill Clinton is pretty good at sabotaging ObamaÂ’s strategy." Bubba said, "Mr. Simon may think I should be an employee of the campaign, but I'm not."
Posted by: kallisto at June 06, 2012 07:58 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: Winston Wolf at June 06, 2012 07:58 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 06, 2012 07:59 AM (Y6Se/)
Very mature. Just because Keith Olbermann decided to get a sex change and is now the ugliest fucking woman in the universe doesn't give us any right to make fun.
Posted by: Sean at June 06, 2012 07:59 AM (k/wC2)
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 06, 2012 08:01 AM (DGIjM)
59 I laughed uproariously at the Weeping Cheese Boy last night..."democracy died tonight!!!eleventy!!"
Kind of reminded me of the 'Leave Brittney alone!' boy.
Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at June 06, 2012 08:01 AM (+7Usq)
They are weighted against partial returns for predictive value so networks can make calls before all the votes are counted.
Problem is, like anything else, garbage in----garbage out.
They oversampled Democrats so naturally it showed a tight race and support for Obama.
Clearly though the raw data was fucked and Chuckie just won't admit it.
Posted by: DrewM. at June 06, 2012 08:07 AM (WnQJ3)
Didn't CA voters also reject the $1 tax on a pack of smokes for "cancer research?" I think that's what I heard on the way in this am.
Posted by: Infidel at June 06, 2012 08:08 AM (O/fK8)
Posted by: DangerGirl at June 06, 2012 08:08 AM (32Scy)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 06, 2012 08:10 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Dr. Berndt Ballzach at June 06, 2012 08:10 AM (jucos)
http://tinyurl.com/3t8yl27
Ron Paul, The Issues:
RIGHT TO WORK, Workers' Rights (preempt unions)
ECONOMY, Restore America's Prosperity (balanced budget)
States' Constitutional Rights
Refusal to Overspend, even for his own campaign
I have no idea where Paul's been campaigning, or what if any communications/donations occur between Paul and Walker, or their campaigns. But everyone can easily figure that these two politicians' agendas align. If it looks as if a no show, why bother attacking Ron Paul for not appearing where he was not invited or not welcome to campaign on Walker's behalf? pfft
Infighting doesn't make for victory, nor for unifying celebrations. Mad dog attacks on welcome voters is worse than stupid. Admit that you're trumping the "true conservative" segregation banner yourself in order to oust Paul's contingency.
Posted by: Wiscofreude at June 06, 2012 08:11 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 06, 2012 08:12 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at June 06, 2012 08:17 AM (VMcoS)
"Obama ... didn't want to look political."
See, they had to make that sentence HUGE with excuses and other crap, because when you take it down to the bare-bones, Subject 'n Verb point, you see it for the nonsensical farce that it is.
Posted by: reason at June 06, 2012 08:19 AM (kZVsz)
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Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at June 06, 2012 08:32 AM (VMcoS)
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yeah, that's probably it.
Posted by: Killface at June 06, 2012 08:32 AM (BDd0G)
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"How Romney's Win Last Night Will Help Obama"
Yea, I'm one of those people that can't be happy. That Future Headline has me worried, what kind of a "Scorched Earth Policy" the Very Lame SCOAMF will pull.
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Posted by: joncelli, for more than 4 hours at June 06, 2012 07:24 AM (RD7QR)