June 04, 2012

The Sleeper Curve Continues Apace
— rdbrewer

Everything bad is good for you. To recap:

Last week we learned that exercise may increase heart risk.

By analyzing data from six rigorous exercise studies involving 1,687 people, the group found that about 10 percent actually got worse on at least one of the measures related to heart disease: blood pressure and levels of insulin, HDL cholesterol or triglycerides. About 7 percent got worse on at least two measures. And the researchers say they do not know why.

“It is bizarre,” said Claude Bouchard, lead author of the paper . . . .

Yes, bizarre. Because we're so smart. And the body is such a simple mechanism. And yesterday Gary Taubes piled on. He questioned the need for a low salt diet in a New York Times opinion piece, citing "a slew of studies" that say a low salt diet is likely to do more harm than good.

The idea that eating less salt can worsen health outcomes may sound bizarre, but it also has biological plausibility and is celebrating its 40th anniversary this year, too. A 1972 paper in The New England Journal of Medicine reported that the less salt people ate, the higher their levels of a substance secreted by the kidneys, called renin, which set off a physiological cascade of events that seemed to end with an increased risk of heart disease. In this scenario: eat less salt, secrete more renin, get heart disease, die prematurely.

With nearly everyone focused on the supposed benefits of salt restriction, little research was done to look at the potential dangers. But four years ago, Italian researchers began publishing the results from a series of clinical trials, all of which reported that, among patients with heart failure, reducing salt consumption increased the risk of death.

Those trials have been followed by a slew of studies suggesting that reducing sodium to anything like what government policy refers to as a “safe upper limit” is likely to do more harm than good. These covered some 100,000 people in more than 30 countries and showed that salt consumption is remarkably stable among populations over time. In the United States, for instance, it has remained constant for the last 50 years, despite 40 years of the eat-less-salt message. The average salt intake in these populations — what could be called the normal salt intake — was one and a half teaspoons a day, almost 50 percent above what federal agencies consider a safe upper limit for healthy Americans under 50, and more than double what the policy advises for those who aren’t so young or healthy. This consistency, between populations and over time, suggests that how much salt we eat is determined by physiological demands, not diet choices.

. . .

Proponents of the eat-less-salt campaign tend to deal with this contradictory evidence by implying that anyone raising it is a shill for the food industry and doesn’t care about saving lives. An N.I.H. administrator told me back in 1998 that to publicly question the science on salt was to play into the hands of the industry. “As long as there are things in the media that say the salt controversy continues,” he said, “they win.”

Evil corporations. @GabrielMalor pointed out today that Mayor Bloomberg is using the same kind of defensive rhetoric: "Portion sizes of sugary drinks have ballooned not as result of consumer demand but corporate decisions." Whatevs. Silly rhetoric aside, the one thing that is clear is that scientists, politicians, and bureaucrats have underestimated the complexity of the human body, overestimated their own intelligence, and they have been telling people what to do based on flawed science and incomplete information. And unintended bad consequences have followed.

Besides . . .


"It's not salt. It's FREEDOM."
--Mary Katherine Ham

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Posted by: rdbrewer at 01:06 PM | Comments (176)
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1 Eat what you want. It may not add years to your life, but it will add life to your years.

Posted by: toby928© at June 04, 2012 01:08 PM (NG097)

2
Foist!

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 04, 2012 01:08 PM (xDqit)

3
Ahhhh, shit.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 04, 2012 01:08 PM (xDqit)

4
Eat what you want. It may not add years to your life, but it will add life to your years.

Posted by: toby928© at June 04, 2012 05:08 PM (NG097)






Or, as I've always said it: eating veggies and avoiding red meat might make me live longer.......but why would I WANT to???


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 04, 2012 01:09 PM (xDqit)

5 Diet Change Deniers... all in the pocket of Big Food.  Beware Peak Salt!!!11!

Posted by: wooga at June 04, 2012 01:09 PM (vjyZP)

6
As Artie Shaw would say...

"Veddddy un-interesting."

Posted by: soothsayer at June 04, 2012 01:11 PM (eMRto)

7 DoGooders are just Totalitarians in disguise.

Posted by: CanaDave at June 04, 2012 01:11 PM (4simq)

8 The Food Pyramid is a fraud.

Posted by: toby928© at June 04, 2012 01:11 PM (NG097)

9 Or, as I've always said it: eating veggies and avoiding red meat might make me live longer.......but why would I WANT to???

Depends on the veggies. Peppers and onions are great, when grilled with a sausage.

But kale and brussel sprouts? Count me out.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 04, 2012 01:12 PM (bjRNS)

10 Well, if pregnancy is a punishment, and clearly is bad for women, then maybe we should start regulating sex.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 04, 2012 01:13 PM (nEUpB)

11 "Eat Healthy, Stay Fit, Die Anyway" -- George Carlin

Posted by: DanInMN at June 04, 2012 01:13 PM (XqeyF)

12 The Primal Blueprint, baby. The longer you follow the food pyramid, the more you will take on its shape.

Posted by: Jim Treacher at June 04, 2012 01:13 PM (X3KAb)

13 1970s: Red M&Ms will give you cancer.



2000s: Nevermind.....

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 04, 2012 01:14 PM (piMMO)

14 Mexican Coca-Cola rules

Posted by: SantaRosaStan. doch gesiegt at June 04, 2012 01:14 PM (Dll6b)

15 That's it. I'm going back to smoking.

Posted by: seanmom at June 04, 2012 01:14 PM (ANr4x)

16 As Artie Shaw would say...

"Veddddy un-interesting."


He gave me his clarinet.

Posted by: Arte Johnson at June 04, 2012 01:14 PM (QKKT0)

17 Everything in moderatoin

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2012 01:14 PM (05RcU)

18 Well, if pregnancy is a punishment, and clearly is bad for women, then maybe we should start regulating sex.

You're not thinking like a totalitarian. No, they'll start with funding contraceptives. And when that doesn't work ...

Mandatory vasectomies!

('cause that won't interfere with a woman's right to choose, donchaknow.)

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 04, 2012 01:14 PM (bjRNS)

19
oh my

I must be coming down with a case of the alzheimers.

Who the heck is Artie Shaw??

Posted by: soothsayer at June 04, 2012 01:15 PM (eMRto)

20 Everything in moderation

Remember the rest of the quote: including moderation.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 04, 2012 01:15 PM (bjRNS)

21 So are eggs good or bad for us this week?

Posted by: buzzion at June 04, 2012 01:15 PM (GULKT)

22 cane sugar, baby.  No high-fuctose corn syrup.  yes, high-fuctose.  Bad for you

Posted by: SantaRosaStan. doch gesiegt at June 04, 2012 01:16 PM (Dll6b)

23 Everything in moderation Remember the rest of the quote: including moderation. Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 04, 2012 05:15 PM (bjRNS) Remembering to much is not moderation in my book

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2012 01:16 PM (05RcU)

24
But kale and brussel sprouts? Count me out.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 04, 2012 05:12 PM (bjRNS)






My SiL has a brussel sprouts recipe that's actually quite delish.


Predictably, it involves bacon. Lots of bacon.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 04, 2012 01:16 PM (xDqit)

25 But kale and brussel sprouts? Count me out.



*****

Love both!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 04, 2012 01:16 PM (piMMO)

26 I actually have to eat so much salt a day because I have low blood volume.

They wanted me (and for a time I did) to take salt tablets.  Now I just eat chips when I get tired, run down, etc.

Posted by: momma at June 04, 2012 01:16 PM (sYijI)

27 As Artie Shaw would say...

"Veddddy un-interesting."
Posted by: soothsayer at June 04, 2012 05:11 PM


Artie Shaw played the clarinet.  Arte Johnson played the Nazi soldier on Laugh In.

Posted by: huerfano at June 04, 2012 01:16 PM (bAGA/)

28 Oh, RDB, don't forget Taubes has another article... cholesterol isn't bad for you either.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at June 04, 2012 01:16 PM (QxSug)

29 But brussel sprouts  sauteed in bacon fat is awesome.

Don't know about kale. But i assume if i sauteed in bacon fat it would not be untasty.

Posted by: Penfold at June 04, 2012 01:17 PM (1PeEC)

30 But were just trying to help you proles.

Posted by: David Frum, imbecilic fat sack of fat at June 04, 2012 01:17 PM (sJKFk)

31 Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2012 05:14 PM (05RcU)

Including spelling! 

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 04, 2012 01:17 PM (nEUpB)

32 cane sugar, baby. No high-fuctose corn syrup. yes, high-fuctose. Bad for you



What is the price of cane sugar vs corn syrup these days? I wonder because of all the "retro" sodas on the market now.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 04, 2012 01:17 PM (piMMO)

33 My Cleveland Clinic doc said that is why women crave chips once a month (or meat - iron) their body knows they need to refill their blood supply.

Posted by: momma at June 04, 2012 01:17 PM (sYijI)

34 Overkill is underrated...

Posted by: Hannibal Smith at June 04, 2012 01:17 PM (4simq)

35 They wanted me (and for a time I did) to take salt tablets. Now I just eat chips when I get tired, run down, etc.

Now they have these big ones that they hang on the post of your stall.

Posted by: Sarah Jessica Parker at June 04, 2012 01:17 PM (QKKT0)

36 Predictably, it involves bacon. Lots of bacon.

So is this one of those bacon recipes where the sprouts are a garnish, and optional?

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 04, 2012 01:17 PM (bjRNS)

37
The funny thing is that I have no idea who Artie Shaw is, yet I know the name.

My marbles, they're missing.


Posted by: soothsayer at June 04, 2012 01:18 PM (eMRto)

38 Remembering to much is not moderation in my book

Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 04, 2012 01:18 PM (bjRNS)

39

Everybody's different.  Here's a useful test:

 

Take off all your clothes.  Look down.  Like what you see?  Keep doing what you're doing!  Don't like what you see?  Do something different. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 04, 2012 01:18 PM (TOk1P)

40 My marbles, they're missing.


Posted by: soothsayer at June 04, 2012 05:18 PM (eMRto)

Biden stole them for his pants.  You know, hoping to grow a pair.

Posted by: momma at June 04, 2012 01:18 PM (sYijI)

41 SJP jokes neigh-ver get old.

Posted by: Penfold at June 04, 2012 01:19 PM (1PeEC)

42 The funny thing is that I have no idea who Artie Shaw is, yet I know the name. My marbles, they're missing. Posted by: soothsayer at June 04, 2012 05:18 PM (eMRto) He plays 3rd base for the Cleveland Indians

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2012 01:19 PM (05RcU)

43 "“It is bizarre,” said Claude Bouchard, lead author of the paper . . . ."

No, Claude, the truth is not bizarre at all.

Posted by: The Ghost of Jim Fixx at June 04, 2012 01:19 PM (DQHjw)

44 Why is pepper given a pass?

Posted by: S Daniel at June 04, 2012 01:19 PM (BVkEs)

45 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 04, 2012 05:16 PM (xDqit)

I had a dish that was garnished with Brussels Sprouts: they separated them into individual leaves and then fried the leaves to crisp them and salted them before serving.

That was the perfect way to eat your vegetables.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 04, 2012 01:19 PM (nEUpB)

46

Mariela Castro, the daughter of Raul Castro, endorsed President Obama on CNN: 

"I believe that Obama is a fair man," Castro says. "And Obama needs greater support to be able to take this decision. If Obama counted on the full support of the American people, then we could normalize relationships--we could have better relations than what we had under President Carter."

"Do you want Obama to win the next election?" she is asked. 

"As a citizen of the world, I would like him to win," Castro says. "Seeing the candidates, I prefer Obama."

Posted by: The People of Brattleboro, Vermont at June 04, 2012 01:19 PM (48wze)

47
But brussel sprouts sauteed in bacon fat is awesome.

Don't know about kale. But i assume if i sauteed in bacon fat it would not be untasty.

Posted by: Penfold at June 04, 2012 05:17 PM (1PeEC)






The addition of bacon fat would even make poutine edible.


Kind of like how you can always make food better by serving it on a stick.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 04, 2012 01:19 PM (xDqit)

48 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 04, 2012 01:19 PM (8y9MW)

49 Take off all your clothes. Look down. Like what you see? Keep doing what you're doing! Don't like what you see? Do something different.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 04, 2012 05:18 PM (TOk1P)

If we all take off our clothes, I ain't looking down at myself.  I will keep looking down till I find something nice to look at.

Posted by: momma at June 04, 2012 01:19 PM (sYijI)

50 In honor of this thread I just had bacon blue cheese spread on crackers. Smelly, but delicious.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at June 04, 2012 01:19 PM (RZ8pf)

51 Here's reason #7,892 why drinking *is* good for your health ----->

The prevention of a bed bug attack. Because those little suckers survive through human blood, they really hate the alcohol content. The higher the BAC, the more likely they're going to stay away.

Win. Win.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 04, 2012 01:20 PM (pLTLS)

52 "Portion sizes of sugary drinks have ballooned not as result of consumer demand but corporate decisions."

Said like someone who doesn't understand how corporations make decisions.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 04, 2012 01:20 PM (8y9MW)

53 "This is not Nancy! If she were Nancy, could she take this?!" Spock begins to punch the creature in the face.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 04, 2012 01:20 PM (0vc7K)

54 Everything in moderation

I'm soaking in it!

Posted by: some nuclear fuel rod at June 04, 2012 01:21 PM (FtYM2)

55 "Portion sizes of sugary drinks have ballooned not as result of consumer demand but corporate decisions."

Said like someone who doesn't understand how corporations make decisions.


Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Chevy Volt.

Posted by: GM, Mark of Excrement at June 04, 2012 01:21 PM (QKKT0)

56 One food is definitely known to shorten your lifespan: Human face.

Posted by: nickless at June 04, 2012 01:21 PM (MMC8r)

57 Wait.  Is Bloomberg going to outlaw bjs too?  Cuz I've been told it is a salty snack.

Posted by: momma at June 04, 2012 01:21 PM (sYijI)

58 Sleeper is proven right again - "have a cigarette" ... to Woody Allen's great disgust. 

He hit the nail on the head with Bananas, too ... again to his great disgust.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 04, 2012 01:22 PM (X3lox)

59 Just an observation, but those of us that are often on here, obviously have no idea about moderation?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2012 01:22 PM (05RcU)

60
Everything in moderation

I'm soaking in it!

Posted by: some nuclear fuel rod at June 04, 2012 05:21 PM (FtYM2)






Heh. I saw what you did there.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 04, 2012 01:22 PM (xDqit)

61 Super Salt Me.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 04, 2012 01:22 PM (0vc7K)

62 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 04, 2012 05:20 PM (8y9MW)

That quotation evoked my standard response to pretty much everything that comes out of the mouths of liberals:

"You can't possibly be that fucking stupid!"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 04, 2012 01:22 PM (nEUpB)

63 I love veggies.  No you can't have my man card.

If you restrict beverage size wont people just get 2 of the smaller size?  Idiotic.

Posted by: eleven at June 04, 2012 01:22 PM (KXm42)

64 59 Just an observation, but those of us that are often on here, obviously have no idea about moderation?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2012 05:22 PM (05RcU)

 

Well that's not true.  We are great at moderating our time in the sun.

Posted by: buzzion at June 04, 2012 01:23 PM (GULKT)

65 Just an observation, but those of us that are often on here, obviously have no idea about moderation?

We have some idea. There is a banhammer, after all.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 04, 2012 01:23 PM (bjRNS)

66 Don't forget that incidents of skin cancer tripled after people started using sunscreen.  True.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 04, 2012 01:23 PM (X3lox)

67 My Cleveland Clinic doc said that is why women crave chips once a month (or meat - iron) their body knows they need to refill their blood supply.


****

The human body is amazing. There's a reason why pregnant women have bizarre cravings.

Our bodies know where to obtain certain nutrients, sugars, etc... Which, can be a real bitch for someone who is hypoglycemic because the body "thinks" it needs sugar which then only causes more insulin to be produced, resulting in an even deeper glucose dive.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 04, 2012 01:23 PM (piMMO)

68

Just 7% got worse on at least two measures.  Big f'n deal.


Posted by: Hepcat at June 04, 2012 01:23 PM (frbyY)

69 Guess how long you would live if you had zero "bad" cholesterol? Yeah, I thought so. People who exercise probably need more "bad things" like insulin (which is a common supplement by bodybuilders to grow muscle tissue) and blood lipids. People are pretty fucking dumb.

Posted by: Max Power at June 04, 2012 01:24 PM (q177U)

70 In related news: Masturbation Relieves Stress, But Is The Leading Cause Of Rosy Palm Syndrome!

Posted by: Fritz at June 04, 2012 01:24 PM (ZN5qR)

71 Oregano kills people, man.

Posted by: Parsley at June 04, 2012 01:24 PM (BVkEs)

72 Fish is for sport only. It's practically a vegetable.

Posted by: X at June 04, 2012 01:24 PM (KHo8t)

73 The funny thing is that I have no idea who Artie Shaw is, yet I know the name.

My marbles, they're missing.


The Nazi on Laugh-In?  It just occured to me how gay that show was.

Posted by: eleven at June 04, 2012 01:24 PM (KXm42)

74 Don't forget that incidents of skin cancer tripled after people started using sunscreen. True.


****

That's because....

Old wisdom: Sunburns cause cancer

New wisdom: cumulative sun exposure causes cancer

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 04, 2012 01:25 PM (piMMO)

75 Like this:  the other morning I was getting coffee in the break room at work.  A co-worker gets a cup and starts to put saccarin in it.  A third co worker warns he'll get cancer if he uses it.  So all that BS from the 70's is STILL out there.  Total junk science foisted upon us by the media machine and the progressive grant-scientists who want to tell everyone what to eat and what to do, etc.

Posted by: Yip in Texas at June 04, 2012 01:25 PM (Mrdk1)

76
As usual, every bit of wisdom in the world can be summed up in The Godfather, Army of Darkness, Casablanca and Demolition Man.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 04, 2012 01:25 PM (xDqit)

77 The human body is amazing. There's a reason why pregnant women have bizarre cravings.

Our bodies know where to obtain certain nutrients, sugars, etc.





They say that children chew their finger nails because they are low in certain nutrients too.

Posted by: momma at June 04, 2012 01:25 PM (sYijI)

78 Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2012 05:22 PM (05RcU)

Well, I've met 15 or 20 of the morons (including you), and everyone looked pretty normal. Admittedly that is a self-selected sample, but still....if the same number of people from DailyKos showed up at a bar...oh, never mind. I don't even want to think about that.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 04, 2012 01:26 PM (nEUpB)

79 That quotation evoked my standard response to pretty much everything that comes out of the mouths of liberals:

Yeah, I know.

I really wonder if they would survive if respiration were not an involuntary muscle movement.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 04, 2012 01:26 PM (8y9MW)

80 ACE twitters: Bizarro 5 President ‏@AceofSpadesHQ National Blogger Silence Day: On friday, I will not blog anything. I will be silent, as the enemies of free speech desire, and... ..the supposed protectors of free speech support.

Posted by: nickless at June 04, 2012 01:26 PM (MMC8r)

81 Not the band leader Artie Shaw from the olden days.... there were more than one you know...

Posted by: Yip in Texas at June 04, 2012 01:27 PM (Mrdk1)

82
The Nazi on Laugh-In?

So I thought.




Posted by: soothsayer at June 04, 2012 01:27 PM (eMRto)

83 >>>>As usual, every bit of wisdom in the world can be summed up in The Godfather, Army of Darkness, Casablanca and Demolition Man. Don't forget Airplane.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 04, 2012 01:27 PM (0vc7K)

84
The Nazi on Laugh-In? It just occured to me how gay that show was.


****

Sooo cute:

http://binged.it/L7t8eV

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 04, 2012 01:27 PM (piMMO)

85
Alan Suesse?

Joanne Worley?


Posted by: soothsayer at June 04, 2012 01:27 PM (eMRto)

86 Well, I've met 15 or 20 of the morons (including you), and everyone looked pretty normal. Admittedly that is a self-selected sample, but still....if the same number of people from DailyKos showed up at a bar...oh, never mind. I don't even want to think about that. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 04, 2012 05:26 PM (nEUpB) A) I was on my best behavior B) they were watering down my scotch

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2012 01:27 PM (05RcU)

87 If there were leftist single celled organisms billions of years ago with any power at all, this world would consist of nothing but slime.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 04, 2012 01:28 PM (X3lox)

88
Fish is for sport only. It's practically a vegetable.






Vegetables are not food, vegetables are what food eats
Fish are fast vegetables
Fruit is vegetables that fool you by tasting good
Mushrooms is what grows on vegetables once food is done with it

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 04, 2012 01:28 PM (xDqit)

89

In honor of this thread I just had bacon blue cheese spread on crackers. Smelly, but delicious.

 

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at June 04, 2012 05:19 PM (RZ8pf)

 

Nice! Do you have a recipe to share, perchance?

Posted by: ErikW at June 04, 2012 01:28 PM (3qFIh)

90 One hell of a whopper

http://tinyurl.com/6md3b5z

Posted by: momma at June 04, 2012 01:29 PM (sYijI)

91 They crave electrolytes.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 04, 2012 01:29 PM (0vc7K)

92
So Ace is taking off Friday?

Posted by: soothsayer at June 04, 2012 01:29 PM (eMRto)

93 @58   I loved "Bananas" and though I have grown to not care to much for W. Allen, we are living Bananas today...  like with the underwear on the outside so they can make sure we change it..?  Hahahaha... That's Obama's White house right there!  Obamacare!

Also, Sleeper was prescient of course.  I liked his bank robbing movie too of that time but can't remember the title...

Posted by: Yip in Texas at June 04, 2012 01:29 PM (Mrdk1)

94 Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2012 05:27 PM (05RcU)

That's why I drink beer unless I am sitting at the bar and can watch the bartender make the drink.

And...what do you think about another meetup? Maybe late October, just before the election?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 04, 2012 01:30 PM (nEUpB)

95 Even cuter:

http://bit.ly/Mc0w7a

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 04, 2012 01:30 PM (piMMO)

96 Oh, brother. I grew up in the late fifties, early sixties, when people didn't discuss fat, butter, sugar, or salt at all. We had dessert one or two meals per day. We put Quick in our milk. A meal was meat, potatoes, and vegetables, plus dessert. You put butter on potatoes and vegetables. If you forgot your lunch at school, the nun in the convent would give you a peanut butter and butter sandwich. Why we weren't fat. Because parents were authority figures and if you tried to take more than 2 cookies or a second piece of cake you got yelled at. Too much sugar on your cereal? Yelled at. Tried to snag an extra pork chop, yelled at. Stayed inside watching tv instead of playing outside? Yelled at. Hung around the candy dish at Grandma's? Yelled at. There were very few fat kids. In my school of at least 200 kids, there was one overweight child. I don't even remember "chubby" kids.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 04, 2012 01:30 PM (QTi/j)

97 Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2012 05:27 PM (05RcU) That's why I drink beer unless I am sitting at the bar and can watch the bartender make the drink. And...what do you think about another meetup? Maybe late October, just before the election? Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 04, 2012 05:30 PM (nEUpB) I'm in. Great Idea.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2012 01:30 PM (05RcU)

98 The Nazi on Laugh-In? It just occured to me how gay that show was.

Posted by: eleven at June 04, 2012 05:24 PM (KXm42)

 

Women in bikinis and body paint, dancing.

Posted by: buzzion at June 04, 2012 01:30 PM (GULKT)

99 I loved "Bananas" and though I have grown to not care to much for W. Allen, we are living Bananas today... like with the underwear on the outside so they can make sure we change it..? Hahahaha... That's Obama's White house right there! Obamacare!

I used to post that link on Hotair all through 2008 to show people what we were headed for. 

Didn't work.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 04, 2012 01:31 PM (X3lox)

100 They say that children chew their finger nails because they are low in certain nutrients too.

I ate the red Tennessee clay out of the ecavation for a basement across the street when I was a kid.  Craved it.

Posted by: eleven at June 04, 2012 01:31 PM (KXm42)

101
presto go the comments!

Posted by: soothsayer at June 04, 2012 01:31 PM (eMRto)

102 91 In honor of this thread I just had bacon blue cheese spread on crackers. Smelly, but delicious.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at June 04, 2012 05:19

An old Cherokee recipe, no doubt

Posted by: Yip in Texas at June 04, 2012 01:31 PM (Mrdk1)

103 Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2012 05:30 PM (05RcU)

Deal. Maybe we can nag ace for the next few months. Or get curious to come and drag ace along.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 04, 2012 01:32 PM (nEUpB)

104 Oh, and because I've actually put fish recipes on the web: http://www.auntiepasto.com/?p=217

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 04, 2012 01:32 PM (bjRNS)

105 ErikW, I bought it at the farmer's market, it is Willapia Hills Bacon Blu. But the ingredient list looks like it would be easy to do at home: cream cheese,blue cheese, milk, bacon bits, garlic powder, onion powder, salt, black pepper, cayenne pepper, worcestershire sauce.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at June 04, 2012 01:32 PM (RZ8pf)

106 The Nazi on Laugh-In? It just occured to me how gay that show was.

Arte Johnson, not Artie Shaw.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 04, 2012 01:33 PM (X3lox)

107 "Portion sizes of sugary drinks have ballooned not as result of consumer demand but corporate decisions."  Did he really say something this stupid?

Yeah, because I really just wanted an 8 oz drink, but those damned corporations made me buy a 32 oz!!!!!  I only drank the whole thing because I knew the cameras were watching me.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 04, 2012 01:33 PM (i0App)

108

When I first came to the States I always wondered why the hell you got served bread, rolls or biscuits with every meal. They explained, because of the food pyramid you had to have servings of grains. So I just asked "Wtf do you think the noodles are made of?"

It's all that damn bread everyone is eating that makes people fat and it doesn't matter if it's whole grain or whole wheat. I don't think the human body was designed to deal with all this grain intake

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 04, 2012 01:33 PM (uVuwp)

109 >>>I ate the red Tennessee clay out of the ecavation for a basement across the street when I was a kid. Craved it. They still sell kaolin at some convenience stores in rural Georgia.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 04, 2012 01:33 PM (0vc7K)

110 Why we weren't fat. Because parents were authority figures and if you tried to take more than 2 cookies or a second piece of cake you got yelled at. Too much sugar on your cereal? Yelled at. Tried to snag an extra pork chop, yelled at. Stayed inside watching tv instead of playing outside? Yelled at. Hung around the candy dish at Grandma's? Yelled at.


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Out after breakfast, allowed indoors for lunch, out right after, and home by the time the street light came on.

Thirsty? There's the spigot over there.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 04, 2012 01:34 PM (piMMO)

111 excavation

Posted by: eleven at June 04, 2012 01:34 PM (KXm42)

112 I don't know if eating healthy foods makes you live longer, but I know it makes it feel like it  - Mark Twain.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 04, 2012 01:35 PM (2ePOO)

113 Posted by: nerdygirl at June 04, 2012 05:30 PM (QTi/j)

Yes, but all of that yelling must have destroyed their sense of self-worth. They may have grown up to be fit and successful, but it probably took years of therapy that should have been paid for by the government.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 04, 2012 01:35 PM (nEUpB)

114 They say that children chew their finger nails because they are low in certain nutrients too.


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My mother and I both chewed our nails until we were in our 20s. Both of us were anemic. I wonder if that could have had anything to do with it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 04, 2012 01:35 PM (piMMO)

115 Why we weren't fat. Because parents were authority figures and if you tried to take more than 2 cookies or a second piece of cake you got yelled at. Too much sugar on your cereal? Yelled at. Tried to snag an extra pork chop, yelled at. Stayed inside watching tv instead of playing outside? Yelled at. Hung around the candy dish at Grandma's? Yelled at. ...and people wonder why some kids grew up to be serial killers.

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 04, 2012 01:36 PM (niZvt)

116

Yeah, on paper, I'm a walking, talking example of the textbook "Coronary Artery Disease" patient - morbidly obese, high cholesterol, high triglycerides, high blood pressure, high-fat diet, fried/junk foods, bad nutrition, etc.

 

Unfortunately for the crack cardiologist who performed my angiogram, all of my coronary arteries are COMPLETELY CLEAR.

 

Once again, reality trumps theory.

 

And the man was flummoxed.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 04, 2012 01:36 PM (0xqzf)

117 108... there you go... that's it!  I knew Artie Shaw didn't read right....    and though that show was a dear part of my youth, it sure was a lefty talking point machine...  and not gay in any way.  Too many free love bikini dancin' girls and Twiggy!

Posted by: Yip in Texas at June 04, 2012 01:36 PM (Mrdk1)

118 I'm in fear for my life HELP!  Internet tough guy Extremist hopes to one day meet me in person and express his contempt for me in a real world way!

Posted by: buzzion at June 04, 2012 01:36 PM (GULKT)

119 I don't think the human body was designed to deal with all this grain intake

Some populations have evolved to. Think Italians.

The rest of us? Not so much.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 04, 2012 01:36 PM (bjRNS)

120 Hee Haw was Laugh-In's Country Cousin.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 04, 2012 01:36 PM (0vc7K)

121 I'm in fear for my life HELP! Internet tough guy Extremist hopes to one day meet me in person and express his contempt for me in a real world way!



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Which thread?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 04, 2012 01:37 PM (piMMO)

122 75 Like this: the other morning I was getting coffee in the break room at work. A co-worker gets a cup and starts to put saccarin in it. A third co worker warns he'll get cancer if he uses it. So all that BS from the 70's is STILL out there. Total junk science foisted upon us by the media machine and the progressive grant-scientists who want to tell everyone what to eat and what to do, etc. ••••••••••••••• People really don't think anymore. Most are sheep to be led.

Posted by: Hammered at June 04, 2012 01:38 PM (5FUS8)

123 119 Yeah, on paper, I'm a walking, talking example of the textbook "Coronary Artery Disease" patient - morbidly obese, high cholesterol, high triglycerides, high blood pressure, high-fat diet, fried/junk foods, bad nutrition, etc

Hooray!  That's good news!   And sorry if you made the meet up Sat.. I didn't get word until too late to go, but I'll be there next time!

Posted by: Yip in Texas at June 04, 2012 01:38 PM (Mrdk1)

124 There were very few fat kids. In my school of at least 200 kids, there was one overweight child. I don't even remember "chubby" kids.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 04, 2012 05:30 PM (QTi/j)

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Actually playing outside versus sitting in front of a playstation does wonders for calorie consumption.  No playstations years ago explains the small number of fat kids back then.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 04, 2012 01:38 PM (2ePOO)

125 Posted by: Yip in Texas at June 04, 2012 05:36 PM (Mrdk1)

Arte Johnson lives on in crosswords.  He's always in there.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 04, 2012 01:38 PM (X3lox)

126 The Devestating Digest.

Posted by: buzzion at June 04, 2012 01:38 PM (GULKT)

127

ErikW, I bought it at the farmer's market, it is Willapia Hills Bacon Blu. But the ingredient list looks like it would be easy to do at home: cream cheese,blue cheese, milk, bacon bits, garlic powder, onion powder, salt, black pepper, cayenne pepper, worcestershire sauce.

 

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at June 04, 2012 05:32 PM (RZ8pf)

 

Ah, excellent! Thanks! I thought it might be something like that.

 

The only way to make it unhealthier would be to use pork cracklins instead of crackers.

Posted by: ErikW at June 04, 2012 01:38 PM (3qFIh)

128 huh?

Posted by: Yip in Texas at June 04, 2012 01:39 PM (Mrdk1)

129 I don't think the human body was designed to deal with all this grain intake

It saved the Egyptians from starvation.  I'll never forgive Joseph for that.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 04, 2012 01:39 PM (X3lox)

130 I have been so irritated at the shitty keyboard on my year old Dell laptop that I was just about ready to go buy a new laptop. Then I took a shot and Binged "replacement keys" and it turns out that you can buy individual replacement keys for laptops.

What does it mean that my 'O' key was the first to go?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 04, 2012 01:40 PM (piMMO)

131

 

Maybe this is how the Progs figure that ZeroCare will work.....

Make it mandatory that people follow the 'Nutritional Guidelines'....then put out guidelines that will kill people?

 

That will solve that little funding problem.

Maybe that's why they don't seem too worried about how to pay for it in the long run. 

Posted by: wheatie at June 04, 2012 01:40 PM (YzQ1g)

132 The low carb diet thing makes more sense than you'd think, Heart disease only became an issue after the large consumption of sugar, flour, and breads. We've been eating meat for 99% of human existence so it stands to reason that diet is the one most we are most adapted too.

Posted by: Ben(the original) at June 04, 2012 01:40 PM (llXC8)

133 Yip in Texas  --  That's what I meant.......ghey in a lefty way.

Posted by: eleven at June 04, 2012 01:40 PM (KXm42)

134

People have different metabolisms, and different health problems.

 

But a recurring problem with (poor) general health is:

Bad diet

and

No excercise

 

As nerdygirl implied, eating anything in excess is not good for you.  People need to learn a simple excercise - push yourself away from the table.

My sister-in law is rather overweight.  I watch what she eats and it is no wonder why.  And she gets very little regular excercise.  It is not magic.  I once had two very overweight friends (married to each other) and watching them eat at meals (repeated large portions) and then thinking if they drink diet soda that will fix the problem.

Eating can also become a compulsive behavior, and the act of eating can be a gratifying oral fixation, much like smoking is.  People sometimes eat to satisfy a compulsion, not just because of hunger.And then they overeat.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at June 04, 2012 01:40 PM (RFeQD)

135 Taubes is the man. I've lost 34 lbs. since December on a high-fat, medium-protein, low-carb diet. reddit.com/r/keto is a good resource for the curious.

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at June 04, 2012 01:40 PM (qndXR)

136 136... heh.. ok. 

Posted by: Yip in Texas at June 04, 2012 01:42 PM (Mrdk1)

137 "I think prudence would dictate drinking water."

Oh, fuck you.

Posted by: jeanne at June 04, 2012 01:42 PM (GdalM)

138 133 I have been so irritated at the shitty keyboard on my year old Dell laptop that I was just about ready to go buy a new laptop. Then I took a shot and Binged "replacement keys" and it turns out that you can buy individual replacement keys for laptops.

What does it mean that my 'O' key was the first to go?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 04, 2012 05:40 PM (piMMO)

 

You can also buy replacement keyboards whole.  The one for my old Dell was only $13 on Amazon.  And you can probably find instructional videos on youtube on how to properly replace them.  Of course the video had the screws to remove the cover on the top of the laptop and mine was screwed through the bottom, so watch out for that.

Posted by: buzzion at June 04, 2012 01:42 PM (GULKT)

139 I didn't get word until too late to go, but I'll be there next time!

Yeah... I had some communication difficulties.

I think that, next time, I'm going to set up an EventBrite event.  Or something.  Of course, it would also help if the cob-loggers would help be publicize to the Morons, but I'll see if I can do better next time.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 04, 2012 01:43 PM (8y9MW)

140 Hooray! That's good news! And sorry if you made the meet up Sat.. I didn't get word until too late to go, but I'll be there next time!

Posted by: Yip in Texas at June 04, 2012 05:38 PM (Mrdk1)

 

It was fun!  AllenG promises to call ahead next time to make sure there is a non-smoking section at the next venue.....

 

Yep - the hubs follows all of that "healthy eating" stuff they tell you to do;  he has a small blockage in one of his arteries.

 

I wisely refrained from saying "I told you so", and just passed the butter......

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 04, 2012 01:43 PM (0xqzf)

141 Another thing? Families used to have home-cooked meals.

Posted by: nickless at June 04, 2012 01:44 PM (MMC8r)

142
"I think prudence would dictate drinking water."

Oh, fuck you.

Posted by: jeanne at June 04, 2012 05:42 PM (GdalM)







Exactly. Fish fuck in water.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 04, 2012 01:44 PM (xDqit)

143 I didn't get word until too late to go, but I'll be there next time!

Posted by: Yip in Texas at June 04, 2012 05:38 PM (Mrdk1)

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Same here.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 04, 2012 01:44 PM (2ePOO)

144 138,  I lost like 20lbs on a no/low carb diet and did great for about a year and then I just lost the ability to stay on it.  I think that is the hardest thing.  I've gained the weight back and enjoy my beer.  I've lost the taste for eggs for now... I ate them everyday.  I read Taubes two books on the subject and think his theories deserve merit.  It all makes sense.  NEXT year, I'm going on a diet,... hehe

Posted by: Yip in Texas at June 04, 2012 01:45 PM (Mrdk1)

145 Another thing? Families used to have home-cooked meals.

Posted by: nickless at June 04, 2012 05:44 PM (MMC8r)



Not just home-cooked, but at a regular schedule, which is a big thing.  Lots of life comes down to scheduling and periodicity, which gets lost in much of modern society.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 04, 2012 01:48 PM (X3lox)

146 You can also buy replacement keyboards whole. The one for my old Dell was only $13 on Amazon. And you can probably find instructional videos on youtube on how to properly replace them. Of course the video had the screws to remove the cover on the top of the laptop and mine was screwed through the bottom, so watch out for that.


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How difficult was the process?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 04, 2012 01:50 PM (piMMO)

147

I found out that I'm allergic to wheat after our youngest was diagnosed with Celiac Disease 4 years ago  (realized that I had the dermatological form of CD).

 

Quit eating gluten-containing products in 2008 - lost 40 pounds the first year without changing anything else.

 

Unfortunately, I was diagnosed with an auto-immune disorder after that, and had to go on steroids.  Gained a little bit of the weight back, but I'm nowhere near where I started off.

 

It's been amazingly easy, and since I feel so awful whenever I accidentally eat something with a trace amount of gluten in it, I'm not tempted to cheat.

 

I'm now convinced that obesity is due to a problem with the immune system.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 04, 2012 01:52 PM (0xqzf)

148 How difficult was the process?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 04, 2012 05:50 PM (piMMO)

 

Two little screws, easy to remove.  Lift up the plastic cover.  Unclip the keboard connection.  Insert new keyboard.  Reverse steps.  Done.

 

What model laptop do you have?  Bet I can find a video to show you how easy it is for yours.

Posted by: buzzion at June 04, 2012 01:54 PM (GULKT)

149 Yeah Teresa, I think a lot of it is metobolic and immune issues, but really Taubes points are the body reacting to what it gets and the way the body functions work or don't.  Insulin is a biggie with carbs.  The whole way our bodies deal with carbs and sugars and proteins, ... then add on immune issues and there you go.  Oh and then there are genetic traits that we just can't work past.  Hope to meet you next time then. 

Posted by: Yip in Texas at June 04, 2012 01:56 PM (Mrdk1)

150 Like everything, when it comes to Bloomberg or the AMA, it's not about health, it's about power and control. And the compulsion a lot of people have to stick their greasy grubbies in everybody else's business, "for their own good." If they really cared about people's health, they wouldn't be such pushy assholes - stress is a killer.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 04, 2012 01:58 PM (bxiXv)

151 Why we weren't fat. Because parents were authority figures and if you tried to take more than 2 cookies or a second piece of cake you got yelled at. Too much sugar on your cereal? Yelled at. Tried to snag an extra pork chop, yelled at. Stayed inside watching tv instead of playing outside? Yelled at. Hung around the candy dish at Grandma's? Yelled at. Posted by: nerdygirl at June 04, 2012 05:30 PM (QTi/j) Yes, liberals dismantled the cultural and traditional norms that helped people develop good habits and now they want to legislate them. I'm trying to decide if this was on purpose.

Posted by: elizabethe at June 04, 2012 01:59 PM (Jb7iM)

152 re 95: the Woody Allen robbery movie, wasn't it called "Take the Soon Yi and Run"?

Posted by: mallfly at June 04, 2012 02:00 PM (bJm7W)

153 (This might have been said before by someone else, but I'll post it anyway.)

It seems like nutritionists, physicians, scientists and what not are all eventually coming around to the same conclusion... which is that in the long run, your diet, exercise regimen, and even lifestyle choice(s) play only a minor role (at most) in your lifetime longevity; your maximum age is ultimately programmed somewhere in your DNA, and there's about next to nothin' modern medical science can do to change it.

It's sad and frustrating to an extent. Great folks like Breitbart die young while old hateful farts like Larry Flynt live forever. OTOH, it's hard for me to think of an industry I'd like to see die faster than the diet industry.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 04, 2012 02:01 PM (JOM6t)

154 <i>89
Sock it to me!
Posted by: Dick Nixon, The Dick to Hate at June 04, 2012 05:28 PM</i>

There was a girl that looked EXACTLY like Goldie Hawn in my class in Jr High. I wanted her SO bad...

I've been reading <i>The South Beach Diet</i> and I'm going to see how well that works. I'm also going to look for something on the "Paleo Diet" to see if that might help. My cholesterol numbers are all good, but that's with the help of statins. I need to drop about 1/3 of my weight, and I'll be back to where I was 20 years ago. Of course I was smoking a pack a day back then, and married, and stressed all the time, and I don't want any of those.

Posted by: Smokey Behr at June 04, 2012 02:02 PM (QyeW7)

155 Old wisdom: Sunburns cause cancer New wisdom: cumulative sun exposure causes cancer Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 04, 2012 05:25 PM (piMMO) Newer wisdom: sunscreen causes cancer.

Posted by: elizabethe at June 04, 2012 02:02 PM (Jb7iM)

156 I'm now convinced that obesity is due to a problem with the immune system. Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 04, 2012 05:52 PM (0xqzf) I think it's rare for a biological condition to have only one cause, but certainly it's a factor. For years people assumed that Celiac caused only underweight conditions, turns out that was selection bias - they assumed it so they misdiagnosed patients who were overweight.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 04, 2012 02:02 PM (bxiXv)

157 re 155...   Heeh... almost spit up my beer..   Funny   ...   and YES.   What was his name..  Virgil Starkwell ....   

Posted by: Yip in Texas aka Virgil Starkwell at June 04, 2012 02:03 PM (Mrdk1)

158 'i]I'm in fear for my life HELP! Internet tough guy Extremist hopes to one day meet me in person and express his contempt for me in a real world way

 

Posted by: buzzion at June 04, 2012 05:36 PM (GULKT)

 

 

Saw that.  What's he gonna do?  Crap in his pants?  Piss himself?

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 04, 2012 02:05 PM (4q5tP)

159 off topic, but I see on Yahoo news that Shit-for-Brains is at it again:
"President Barack Obama, his re-election fortunes heavily dependent on women, pushed Congress on Monday to "step up and do its job" by passing a bill designed to erase the wage gap between male and female workers doing the same job."
Maybe we can also have a law that requires that people who do the same job get paid the same whether in a gov't job or the private sector. Forcing unions on people should help that along.

Posted by: mallfly at June 04, 2012 02:07 PM (bJm7W)

160 Grain actually makes my body hurt.

Posted by: Dagny at June 04, 2012 02:10 PM (WCAIB)

161 re 158: even newer wisdom: have you used sunscreen and later been diagnosed with skin cancer? you might be entitled to a cash award! contact the law firm of Michelle, Barry, and Biden...

Posted by: mallfly at June 04, 2012 02:10 PM (bJm7W)

162 "President Barack Obama, his re-election fortunes heavily dependent on
women, pushed Congress on Monday to "step up and do its job" by passing a
bill designed to erase the wage gap between male and female workers
doing the same job."


The wage gap is bullshit.  It has been for a while.  Even the Obama Department of Labor's own studies show this.

Posted by: Alex at June 04, 2012 02:12 PM (tGh6R)

163 163 Grain actually makes my body hurt.

I've noticed the same thing and have been trying to cut back on bread.   It isn't easy.  I'm most of the way through Taube's book (Why We Get Fat) and I have to admit that he makes a very good case for the low carb diet.  He isn't a scientist, but it seems that a lot of the science already exists, and he's simply restating the eternal verities that our forefathers knew 200 years ago. 

Posted by: pep at June 04, 2012 02:15 PM (6TB1Z)

164 Heh... I just watched some clips from Sleeper on the yoootoobe...  OMG..  too funny.  We're living SLEEPER!

Posted by: Yip in Texas aka Virgil Starkwell at June 04, 2012 02:18 PM (Mrdk1)

165 Yep, if you look at all successful "diets," they cut our carbs. I've been eating mostly paleo for years. It's great. At first I was interested because it was catering to athletes, and my husband and I have been jocks all of our lives. It works. You feel great. I do not follow the diet per-se, just the principals. And, I won't go hard core extreme paleo, leaving dairy out of my diet. I love milk and cheese, no way I'm giving that up. And, I don't believe you should. Eat real food. Not processed food. And, stay away from the whites: bread (esp women over 30), rice and white potatoes (sweet potatoes are awesomeness), grains. But, at least once a week, eat what you want. It's super easy. And, yoga...

Posted by: extension of the book thread at June 04, 2012 02:22 PM (HOOye)

166

"People need to learn a simple excercise - push yourself away from the table."

Yes, but... I eat until I'm full. I don't gain weight. So do overweight people really eat past the point of being full, or do some food provide more satisfaction per calorie than others?

"My cholesterol numbers are all good, but that's with the help of statins. "

Oh... watch out for those. I think (I'm not a doctor, but...) that cholesterol number isn't as important as it is made out to be, cholesterol is an important biochemical, and those drugs can be dangerous.

Posted by: Randy M at June 04, 2012 02:28 PM (vI8R6)

167 And, of course, the main problem with sugars it their effect on the liver, insulin and leptin, and many other systems. Posted by: runninrebel at June 04, 2012 06:31 PM (N/1Dm) Have you read the Perfect Health Diet folks?

Posted by: elizabethe at June 04, 2012 02:53 PM (Jb7iM)

168 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at June 04, 2012 03:06 PM (Xb3hu)

169 Sometimes when I go to visit the local Whole Foods Market because it does have some great food as expensive as it can be, I see a car in the parking lot with a bumper sticker saying. "Eat meat and die". I am always tempted to take out a yellow sticky and put underneath their bumper sticker, "Become a Vegan. Live forever" but the owner of the car probably wouldn't get the humor.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 04, 2012 03:15 PM (9I9KG)

170 Salt up the bacon pilgrim

Posted by: Rstone at June 04, 2012 03:45 PM (bQMb4)

171 don't ask me about meat, I'm a vagitarian. Just a fluke, I guess.

Posted by: mallfly at June 04, 2012 03:55 PM (bJm7W)

172 Cows need salt everyday. Dairy cows especially. You don't set them up with a salt lick, you're probably going to run into trouble. Humans aren't any different, we need minerals too.

Posted by: Cowboy at June 04, 2012 05:03 PM (CqxTO)

173 Most dieting advice is completely useless.  People need to re-learn that it's not what you eat but how much.  Intermittent fasting will always work no matter what "diet" you follow.  Skipping meals is not unhealthy, and does not make you fatter.  In fact you can go days without food without in any way starving.  It's a myth that people need to eat everyday.

Posted by: Tcrescent at June 04, 2012 05:42 PM (6U7jy)

174 Eat what the grandparent did whom your relatives tell you you most resemble, provided he or she was long-lived. Odds are his or her lard consumption was at least an order of magnitude (possibly much greater) greater than yours. If in abject doubt, go everywhere by horseback: the fatter you are, the slower you go. Moreover, horses are not virtuous, per se, but they never forgive dishonesty. "Are you callin' me a liar?"

Posted by: Thorvald at June 04, 2012 07:56 PM (OhenJ)

175

>>Taubes is a great place to start but eventually you should get past thinking about food in terms of carbs, proteins, and fats and start looking into the specific chemistry of good food and bad food. <<

 

I remain to be convinced that Taubes, like everyone else writing pop dieting books, is not an asshole.

 

And as regards "looking into the specific chemistry of good food and bad food," if you don't know the structure of, e.g., pyruvic acid, you're just jerking off, and in no position whatever to "look into the specific chemistry" of any food. Pop sci knowledge isn't worth shit. You need a Ph.D. in chemistry or biochemistry even to have a clue here. Everyone else opining on this is just playing with himself. Trust me.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 04, 2012 09:05 PM (sCkVA)

176   76   As usual, every bit of wisdom in the world can be summed up in The Godfather, Army of Darkness, Casablanca and Demolition Man.
*
*
Don't forget Die Hard and Ghostbusters.

"Welcome to the party, pal!"

"Okay.  So, she's a dog."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 05, 2012 08:43 AM (exvgC)

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