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July 20, 2012

Time to bring back public drawing and quartering [Fritzworth]
— Open Blogger

I'm not a big proponent of the death penalty, particularly in light of the steady trickle of years-after-the-fact conviction reversals due to better processing of DNA evidence. But I'm willing to make key exceptions.

The bastard, the young punk who shot up the Aurora theater filled with adults, teens, and kids is one.

This strikes close to home, literally. My wife and I live in Parker, which immediately south of Aurora. The theater complex in which we see 90%+ of our movies is actually in Aurora, though it's a different complex than where the vicious attack occurred. And, yes, we've gone to midnight showings.

I'm currently on the road, though on my way home -- I'm writing this from the Admiral's Club in the D terminal at DFW Airport. Knowing our movie habits, one of our daughters called me from California just to be sure we were safe; my wife's brother, for the same reason, caller her at 7 am this morning. I've texted another daughter who actually lives in Aurora and who, like me, is an avid movie-goer and may well have gone to a midnight showing of Batman last night. I still haven't heard back from her, and I hate the fact that she could well have been there and that perhaps she was, and that I just don't know.

[UPDATE (1215 ET): She's fine. Finally heard back from her while waiting to board my plane. But she's worried about some friends that she hasn't heard back from yet.]

My wife told me on the phone a while ago that the shooter didn't kill hiimself, didn't do suicide-by-cop, but simply surrendered. He clearly wants to live to enjoy the notoriety, the platform he will have for weeks and months and years to come.

Fine. Give it to him. I won't say that hanging's too good for him; I'll say instead that hanging is just the start. ..fritz..

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1 Open Blogger is a Tea Partier.

Posted by: Brian Ross at July 20, 2012 07:45 AM (QupBk)

2 The blood-libel media should be first up against the wall. Crazy bastards like this should be in the American foreign legion.

Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 20, 2012 07:46 AM (2H3EF)

3 James Holmes, DOB 12/13/1987: The Batman movie portrays the OWS crowd in a negative vein,the new Batman movie featured the villain as an Occupy Wall Street type. I would first look at the possibility that James Holmes, DOB 12/13/1987, was caught up in the OWS movement took it upon himself to strike back against Â“THE MAN.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at July 20, 2012 07:47 AM (e8kgV)

4 @iowahawkblog is tearing up Twitter with investigative reporting on Brian Ross' cross-country crime spree.

Posted by: Y-not at July 20, 2012 07:47 AM (5H6zj)

Fritzworth, I hope you hear back from your daughter soon. I'd be panicking instead of keep a cool head as you are.

And I'm for drawing and quartering this asshole as much as you are.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 20, 2012 07:48 AM (4df7R)

6 Oh...I hope your daughter is OK. It's shitty not knowing; when my brother was in Iraq I freaked out everytime there were casualities until I heard from him or they identified the unit.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ eating a ham sammich at July 20, 2012 07:48 AM (ZKzrr)

7 My wife told me on the phone a while ago that the shooter didn't kill hiimself, didn't do suicide-by-cop, but simply surrendered. He clearly wants to live to enjoy the notoriety, the platform he will have for weeks and months and years to come.

Brian Ross, I did it for YOU!!

Posted by: Amateur Bain Cosplayer at July 20, 2012 07:48 AM (MMC8r)

8 My son and daughter also live in Aurora. They are both big Comic-Con and movie fans and I was worried sick when I heard of this this morning.

Fortunately, I was able to contact them early and verify they are safe.

Posted by: Joe Mama at July 20, 2012 07:48 AM (Irb+I)

9 Whoops. 'Bane.'

Posted by: Amateur Bane Cosplayer at July 20, 2012 07:49 AM (MMC8r)

10 Occupy Black Bloc Member James E. Holmes

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at July 20, 2012 07:49 AM (e8kgV)

We moved out of the Denver metro area a little over three years ago. I wanted out of any urban area as I knew what was coming. Too bad there weren't a boatload of armed people in the theater.

UK Mail online reports the perp is a member of a violent faction of the Occupy movement. Don't know if that's true.

Posted by: Meremortal at July 20, 2012 07:49 AM (Usk3+)

12 Please keep us updated on your daughter Fritz.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 20, 2012 07:49 AM (rX1N2)

13 3; that would be the obvious tack to take if we didn't live in bizarro world.

Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 20, 2012 07:49 AM (2H3EF)

14 http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupy-black-bloc-member-james-holmes-shoots-up-au/

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at July 20, 2012 07:50 AM (e8kgV)

15 Can anyone tell me if all of the patrons were black?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 20, 2012 07:50 AM (mFxQX)

16 Facts? We don't need no stinkin' facts!

Posted by: Brian Ross at July 20, 2012 07:50 AM (Hx5uv)

17 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at July 20, 2012 07:50 AM (6o4Fb)

18

Does Colorado widely hand out concealed carry permits? Because they should.

I know in California, they are technically legal, but it is nearly impossible to ever get one.

Posted by: dan-O at July 20, 2012 07:51 AM (sWycd)

19 Can anyone tell me if all of the patrons were black?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 20, 2012 11:50 AM (mFxQX)

No they were not, and why do you ask?

Posted by: Meremortal at July 20, 2012 07:51 AM (Usk3+)

20
So I wonder how much of an ass the mfm will make out themselves?

Posted by: YIKES! at July 20, 2012 07:51 AM (0xil9)

21 UK Mail online reports the perp is a member of a violent faction ofthe Occupy movement. Don't know if that's true.

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We don't know or care if it's true but we're not running that.

Posted by: Brian Ross at July 20, 2012 07:52 AM (Hx5uv)

Posted by: dan-O at July 20, 2012 11:51 AM (sWycd)

Yes, Colorado has concealed carry on a "shall issue" basis.

Posted by: Meremortal at July 20, 2012 07:52 AM (Usk3+)

23 The one word you won't hear a leftist shouting at his draw and quartering? "FREEDOM!!!"

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 20, 2012 07:52 AM (rX1N2)

24 I have not yet begun to beclown myself.

Posted by: MFM at July 20, 2012 07:52 AM (QupBk)

25 Prayers for your daughter, and for those lost.

Posted by: thunderb at July 20, 2012 07:52 AM (lSaaa)

26 Because all of the pictures I see are of grieving black people

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 20, 2012 07:52 AM (mFxQX)

27 It didn't even take until midday for the JEF Team to go too far in politicizing this: Video shows his crowd chanting "Four more years!" after the JEF is done speaking.

What level of callous disregard do you have for your fellow Americans when your response to their death is to use it as a rally to get your guy re-elected?

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 20, 2012 07:52 AM (kSaUf)

He clearly wants to live to enjoy the notoriety, the platform he will have for weeks and months and years to come.

I don't want to give it to him. I don't want to ask, "Why did he do it?" or "Was he not hugged enough as a child?" I don't care about the whys. Fuck him wanting to bask in infamy. He's a nobody who should die a nobody; only his victims should be remembered.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 20, 2012 07:53 AM (4df7R)

29 I only post in the top post as per my AoS Commenter contract.

Posted by: soothsayer at July 20, 2012 07:53 AM (zBI+t)

30 You know how it goes,first,with no facts they blame a right winger and right wing organization.When it becomes clear that the assailant was left wing they go to the "all that matters is the victims" line.

Posted by: steevy at July 20, 2012 07:53 AM (6o4Fb)

31 I'm starting to think that people like this only understand pain. Locking them up for 25 years with free healthcare and food is not pain, it's not like any of these types respect freedom anyways.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at July 20, 2012 07:53 AM (ZhEoC)

32 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 20, 2012 07:54 AM (8y9MW)

33 Asked to predict the size of the demonstrations, Occupy organizer Marisa Holmes, 25, told The Local that May 1 will be on par with the movementÂ’s fall protests or larger.

Posted by: Kenny The Nail Guy at July 20, 2012 07:54 AM (e8kgV)

34 I got a concealed carry permit a few years ago so I could take a gun with me on camping trips to remote areas out west (and because I saw "Deliverance".) But shit- if we're shooting people in movie theaters now, I'm carrying all the time from now on.

Of course, my workplace is a gun-free zone, including the parking lot. I guess the CEO figures an employee getting shot or killed on the property is cheaper than getting sued by someone.

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 20, 2012 07:54 AM (8sCoq)

35 Hanging first is a noob error. You start at the extremities and work your way in.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at July 20, 2012 07:55 AM (SDkq3)

36 My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and witnesses of this horrible act.

My curses are being directed toward the perpetrator.

I hope you hear from your daughter soon, Fritz, that she is safe and was nowhere near that theater.

Posted by: Reverend Darkness at July 20, 2012 07:55 AM (ibEdn)

37 What level of callous disregard do you have for your fellow Americans when your response to their death is to use it as a rally to get your guy re-elected? Posted by: RoyalOil at July 20, 2012 11:52 AM (kSaUf) Meh, I'm OK with it

Posted by: Paul Wellstone at July 20, 2012 07:55 AM (136wp)

38 What level of callous disregard do you have for your fellow Americans when your response to their death is to use it as a rally to get your guy re-elected?

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 20, 2012 11:52 AM (kSaUf)

The same kind of callous disregard that would distribute politically-motivated t-shirts at a memorial for victims of the Tucson shooting.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 20, 2012 07:56 AM (4df7R)

39 Facts? We don't need no stinkin' facts!
Posted by: Brian Ross at July 20, 2012 11:50 AM

Facts are for amateurs.

Posted by: your betters in the Media at July 20, 2012 07:56 AM (bAGA/)

40 Googling Brian Ross I find many mentions of a pedophile. Why does ABC allow pedophiles on the air?

Posted by: Outrageously Outraged at July 20, 2012 07:56 AM (ggRof)

41 "she could well have been there and that perhaps she was, and that I just don't know."

I'm crossing every digit that can cross for you.

Posted by: Dianna at July 20, 2012 07:56 AM (DV/Ik)

I agree. The surety of a swift punishment, absent a media circus, would go a long way towards making sure that these things were even more infrequent.

I'm also of the same mind about terrorists. I believe that if we were to start executing them, which is our right under the Geneva Conventions, we wouldn't be groped and treated like potential terrorists at our own airports. Let those animals know we absolutely will not tolerate them or their tactics.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 20, 2012 07:56 AM (d0Tfm)

43 34 I got a concealed carry permit a few years ago so I could take a gun with me on camping trips to remote areas out west (and because I saw "Deliverance".) But shit- if we're shooting people in movie theaters now, I'm carrying all the time from now on. Of course, my workplace is a gun-free zone, including the parking lot. I guess the CEO figures an employee getting shot or killed on the property is cheaper than getting sued by someone. Posted by: Jones in CO at July 20, 2012 11:54 AM (8sCoq) From my understanding, the theater was a "Gun Free" zone

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at July 20, 2012 07:56 AM (136wp)

44 Bryan Rosz is the love chil' of Charles Starkweather and Carol Ann Fugate.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at July 20, 2012 07:56 AM (0It32)

45 woke up to the news.....immediately thought of close friends who moved there last yr.....looked on fb...her family is safe...her nephews buddy got hurt though and is in the hospital in stable condition.....the reason people do evil stuff is of no importance to me...that they do evil stuff should be enough reason for being drawn and quartered....pray for the victims and their families

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work team dagny at July 20, 2012 07:57 AM (NZF8l)

46 Holmes should live out the rest of his life in a pain amplifier!

Posted by: Kenny The Nail Guy at July 20, 2012 07:57 AM (e8kgV)

47 Your family is in my prayers, Fritz.

Posted by: huerfano at July 20, 2012 07:57 AM (bAGA/)

48 It didn't even take until midday for the JEF Team to go too far in politicizing this: Video shows his crowd chanting "Four more years!" after the JEF is done speaking.

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Obama is skipping a fundraiser to come to Colorado. He is such a narcissist that I have very expectation that his pep rally will backfire.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 20, 2012 07:57 AM (Hx5uv)

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 20, 2012 11:54 AM (8sCoq)

You are talking about a company policy. It is legal to carry at your place of work in Colorado, just like being in your home.

Posted by: Meremortal at July 20, 2012 07:58 AM (Usk3+)

50 >>Obama is skipping a fundraiser to come to Colorado.

How many days later did he go to Ft. Hood?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ eating a ham sammich at July 20, 2012 07:59 AM (ZKzrr)

51 I'm not seeing any confirmation of the 'Black Bloc' connection. The PI page doesn't list any evidence to that point.

Posted by: nickless at July 20, 2012 08:00 AM (MMC8r)

52 49 Posted by: Jones in CO at July 20, 2012 11:54 AM (8sCoq)You are talking about a company policy. It is legal to carry at your place of work in Colorado, just like being in your home. Posted by: Meremortal at July 20, 2012 11:58 AM (Usk3+) I'd recommend that the company policy be checked. I know my company has a "no firearms" rule.

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at July 20, 2012 08:00 AM (136wp)

53 Denver has to be the begging capital of the world. I've never been anywhere else with so many young well clothed kids that will walk up and ask for money. I would bet it draws these OWS types. Anyone watch the Goode Family? The father called these people human raccoons. These anarchists wouldn't survive anarchy and no legal system to protect them.

Posted by: ryukyu at July 20, 2012 08:00 AM (MOHSR)

54 Obama is skipping a fundraiser to come to Colorado. He is such a narcissist that I have very expectation that his pep rally will backfire.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 20, 2012 11:57 AM (Hx5uv)

Like I said on the Headlines thread, I can almost guarantee he will find some way to pimp his healthcare law using this tragedy. He'll say something like, "this young man didn't have the money/opportunity/access to quality mental health care."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 20, 2012 08:01 AM (4df7R)

55 >You are talking about a company policy. It is legal to carry at your place of work in Colorado, just like being in your home.

Posted by: Meremortal at July 20, 2012 11:58 AM (Usk3+)

the last person at work who thought that way is still looking for a job

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 20, 2012 08:01 AM (8sCoq)

56 Sad but true (stolen from another forum):

12 dead in Colorado is a tragedy for President Obama
12 dead in Chicago is just another weekend.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 20, 2012 08:01 AM (Hx5uv)

57 "Obama is skipping a fundraiser to come to Colorado. He is such a narcissist that I have very expectation that his pep rally will backfire."

A Wellstone moment, it may be but that SOB needs to stay clear. At least 48% of the population know that it's pure BS, political "I Care" grandstanding. #scoamf still has 300 deaths down south on his hands.

Posted by: auscolpyr at July 20, 2012 08:01 AM (BwDfs)

58 Fred Willard did a public flogging and look at the trouble it got him in

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2012 08:01 AM (1Jaio)

Obama is skipping a fundraiser to come to Colorado

We're saved! That fundraiser was to be at Mr. Rogers' Kollidge here.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 20, 2012 08:02 AM (d0Tfm)

60 54 Obama is skipping a fundraiser to come to Colorado. He is such a narcissist that I have very expectation that his pep rally will backfire. Posted by: WalrusRex at July 20, 2012 11:57 AM (Hx5uv) Like I said on the Headlines thread, I can almost guarantee he will find some way to pimp his healthcare law using this tragedy. He'll say something like, "this young man didn't have the money/opportunity/access to quality mental health care." Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 20, 2012 12:01 PM (4df7R) And use it to justify gun-control laws...

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at July 20, 2012 08:02 AM (136wp)

61 Breitbart has some evidence, but not proof, that Jimbo the mass murdering shitstain clown might be a registered Democrat.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jn4dbk

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 20, 2012 08:02 AM (cHZB7)

Amen! Rabid animals must be put down.

I am grateful every day that we never have to witness a parole hearing for Ted Bundy or Timothy McVeigh, or watch some commie symp reporter on ABC interviewing them.

Posted by: rockmom at July 20, 2012 08:03 AM (aBlZ1)

63 The Brits used to gibbet pirates after hanging them.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 20, 2012 08:03 AM (yV35g)

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at July 20, 2012 12:00 PM (136wp)

Company policy can prohibit otherwise legal activity. I was just pointing out that it is legal to carry in your workplace. Companies can certainly prohibit that to stop nuts like this from....wait....um...

Posted by: Meremortal at July 20, 2012 08:03 AM (Usk3+)

65 >>I guess the CEO figures an employee getting shot or killed on the property is cheaper than getting sued by someone.

Tell your family to go for seven figures if you ever get shot at work.

Kinda related, I posted this yesterday...mother of armed robber suing Kroger, because her son was killed while threatening an employee while trying to rob the store. She claims Kroger is liable for her son's death because they have a no-guns-at-work policy, and the employee who stopped her son from assaulting a co-worker was carrying in violation of that policy. (no criminal charges were filed against the employee, which was correct.)

http://is.gd/2cftQV

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ eating a ham sammich at July 20, 2012 08:04 AM (ZKzrr)

66 Here's a little about his fmily in San Diego, where he is from: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7opempc

Posted by: Baldy at July 20, 2012 08:04 AM (opS9C)

Editor's Note: An earlier ABC News broadcast report suggested that a Jim Holmes of a Colorado Tea Party organization might be the suspect, but that report was incorrect. ABC News and Brian Ross apologize for the mistake, and for disseminating that information before it was properly vetted.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at July 20, 2012 08:04 AM (gf1bj)

68 >Obama is skipping a fundraiser to come to Colorado

he needs to keep his skinny ass on the golf course at Andrews where he can do no damage- the last thing we need is opportunistic politicians waving the bloody shirt

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 20, 2012 08:05 AM (8sCoq)

69 Cruel and unusual punishment has always meant torture. If you hang them first, then quarter them or gibbet them, it cannot be construed as cruel and unusual.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 20, 2012 08:05 AM (cQpP1)

70 Praying that your daughter is safe.

Posted by: Lauren at July 20, 2012 08:05 AM (wsGWu)

71 "Editor's Note: An earlier ABC News broadcast report
suggested that a Jim Holmes of a Colorado Tea Party organization might
be the suspect, but that report was incorrect. ABC News and Brian Ross
apologize for the mistake, and for disseminating that information before
it was properly vetted."

Can unring the effing bell can we, ABsC.

Posted by: auscolpyr at July 20, 2012 08:06 AM (BwDfs)

72 OT a bit but when there is a reference to the Death Penalty issue, I always point out that there are well over a 800 people who were in prison for homicide who were released only to commit another homicide. That should be unacceptable. There are also a fair number of those convicted of homicide killing again while in prison. They should immediately be executed.

Posted by: polynikes at July 20, 2012 08:06 AM (Xfofp)

73 22 Posted by: dan-O at July 20, 2012 11:51 AM (sWycd) Yes, Colorado has concealed carry on a "shall issue" basis. Posted by: Meremortal at July 20, 2012 11:52 AM (Usk3+) Colorado is also an open carry state, no permit required to walk down the street with a gun on your hip - like Arizona...

Posted by: Paul Morphy at July 20, 2012 08:06 AM (3/Jl7)

74 ABC News and Brian Ross
apologize for the mistake, and for disseminating that information before
it was properly vetted.

When do they issue the apology for pretending to be journalists?

Posted by: Retread at July 20, 2012 08:06 AM (I2fq9)

75 I haven't had a chance to vet this yet but I heard that Brian Ross molests goats

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2012 08:07 AM (1Jaio)

76

Cruel and unusual punishment has always meant torture. If you hang them first, then quarter them or gibbet them, it cannot be construed as cruel and unusual. Posted by: Vashta Nerada

Um, drawing and quartering doesn't work that way. They are cut down while still alive.

Posted by: imp at July 20, 2012 08:07 AM (UaxA0)

77 My thoughts are with you. Hope you get text/call soon that all is ok!

Posted by: Long Island at July 20, 2012 08:07 AM (kzp9t)

78 Keel hauling would be a suitable punishment too.

Posted by: CDR M at July 20, 2012 08:07 AM (cqZXM)

79
he needs to keep his skinny ass on the golf course at Andrews where he can do no damage- the last thing we need is opportunistic politicians waving the bloody shirt

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 20, 2012 12:05 PM (8sCoq)

Not to mention I'm sure the cops and emergency services personnel are just a little busy this morning, without having to coordinate the kind of security necessary for a fucking Presidential visit. Has he forgotten what a pain in the ass he was when he visited Joplin?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 20, 2012 08:08 AM (4df7R)

80 I say hanging, drawing, and quartering is too good for him. Do what the Soviets did to their prisoners--stick his face up against the cage of a hungry rat, and let the rat go to work. Or better yet, throw him into a pit with a few dozen hungry rats.

Posted by: T at July 20, 2012 08:08 AM (D3kCG)

81 Here's a little about his fmily in San Diego, where he is from: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7opempc

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Link says that he just finished a class on psychiatric disorders.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 20, 2012 08:08 AM (Hx5uv)

82 "What level of callous disregard do you have for your fellow Americans when your response to their death is to use it as a rally to get your guy re-elected?
Posted by: RoyalOil"

Paul Wellstone, anyone?

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at July 20, 2012 08:08 AM (oSX4W)

83 Cruel and unusual punishment has always meant torture

I'd rather be waterboarded than listen to Ogbe speak.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 20, 2012 08:08 AM (yV35g)

84 >Colorado is also an open carry state, no permit required to walk down the street with a gun on your hip - like Arizona...

Posted by: Paul Morphy at July 20, 2012 12:06 PM (3/Jl7)

many municipalities have regulations against open carry- for example, what you describe will get you arrested in Breckenridge CO

know the laws in your state, folks

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 20, 2012 08:08 AM (8sCoq)

85 Admirals Club? You 1%er you.

Posted by: Tom at July 20, 2012 08:08 AM (kl5rr)

86 Too bad he surrendered He should have ate a bullet in the spine like that cocksucker from fort hood

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 20, 2012 08:09 AM (KZ5KD)

87 > Has he forgotten what a pain in the ass he was when he visited Joplin?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 20, 2012 12:08 PM (4df7R)

0bama is completely unaware that he is a COLOSSAL pain in the ass

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 20, 2012 08:09 AM (8sCoq)

I suppose I can oppose capital punishment, but I think alternative rehabilitations need to be applied to compensate for the cost of their incarceration, prosecution, damage to society, etc.....like organ harvesting, medical experimentation, and psychological experimentation. Why should we have to wait until someone naturally develops cancer, when we can introduce tumors into inmates and then apply various treatments in a controlled environment?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 20, 2012 08:11 AM (Ec6wH)

89 Just a reminder to parents

The Walt Disney Company owns ABC. I hope the other J. Holmes sues the living shit out of them and donates the money to TEA groups.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at July 20, 2012 08:11 AM (mIoJ0)

90 87 > Has he forgotten what a pain in the ass he was when he visited Joplin? Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 20, 2012 12:08 PM (4df7R) 0bama is completely unaware that he is a COLOSSAL pain in the ass Posted by: Jones in CO at July 20, 2012 12:09 PM (8sCoq) I TRIED to tell him, but...

Posted by: Reggie Love at July 20, 2012 08:11 AM (136wp)

Illogical. Death penalty opponents always go to this argument ("I'm against the death penalty, except for really heinous crimes, because we might make a mistake.")

The chances of making a mistake doesn't depend on the heinousness of the crime. Or if it does, a mistake is more likely in a particularly heinous case, because of the public outcry to punish someone.

I think if you support the death penalty for anyone, for any crime whatsoever, you have to accept you might make a mistake. OTOH, the purpose of the death penalty - and all criminal justice, for that matter - is to minimize the terror in society. Eliminating it entirely, while desirable, ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 20, 2012 08:11 AM (RUjZm)

92 Odumbass is no different than Rev. Al or Jesse, drop everything and run to a hot spot to promote themselves.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 20, 2012 08:12 AM (1t+H9)

93 Open Blogger is pushed down like the fat kid on the playground.

Posted by: toby928© at July 20, 2012 08:13 AM (QupBk)

94 I seem to recall hearing that this f*ckstick was wearing a bullet-proof vest. Too bad someone couldn't get a shot off to his arm - which, if I'm not mistaken, is located right above the bridge of the nose, between the eyes.

Posted by: antisocialist at July 20, 2012 08:14 AM (j/nZn)

95 Â… in Colorado to get a PhD ... in what ?

Posted by: Kenny The Nail Guy at July 20, 2012 08:15 AM (e8kgV)

96 If Colorado was a "red" state would scoamf care?

Posted by: auscolpyr at July 20, 2012 08:16 AM (BwDfs)

97 Al lot of people keep talking about a situation where some conceal-carry persons being in the crowd would put a quick end to this. I have my doubts. The military spends a lot of time with fire discipline. I think that in the situation with a room full of strangers. Shooters might mistake others, like them, as being part of the initial assault. All hell would break loose. Just saying...

Posted by: Paladin at July 20, 2012 08:17 AM (DPvCq)

98 Medical experimentation would be cruel and unusual (there's a museum in Terre Haute founded by a surviving Mengele twin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Mozes_Kor) I've meaning to see).

OTOH, I'm cool with the method of execution following the method in which the murders were committed. There was a case in MKE where a boy killed his grandmother (for refusing to give him money to abort her great-grandchild) by duct-taping her hands and feet, then taping a garbage bag over her head. Took her many minutes to die. That would be a much more suitable punishment for the perp than a quick injection.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ eating a ham sammich at July 20, 2012 08:18 AM (ZKzrr)

99 Can we just test these all on Brian Ross and see which one works the best?

Posted by: Outrageously Outraged at July 20, 2012 08:19 AM (ggRof)

100 Open, hope your daughter is OK. I have friends out in that area, and one that lives in Parker. I've been checking up on all of them.

Also, happy to see that my Georgia Weapons License is valid in Colorado.

Posted by: Country Singer (who loves teh ginger ladies) at July 20, 2012 08:20 AM (L8r/r)

101 Colorado does still have the death penalty, right? I hope that this guy will not have to wait 20 years to feel the poison in his veins. Given our soft system though, I wouldn't be at all surprised if we are all very much older before he pays for his actions.

Posted by: and irresolute at July 20, 2012 08:23 AM (Q492A)

102 Don't forget that Colorado is one of the yellow states right now, like Ohio, etc., so it is not surprising that the big-oh is going to jet into the spotlight. What a puke.

Posted by: and irresolute at July 20, 2012 08:26 AM (Q492A)

103 A lot of nice golf courses here in Colorado. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Brass at July 20, 2012 08:27 AM (v/Ofr)

104 UK Mail online reports the perp is a member of a violent faction ofthe Occupy movement. Don't know if that's true.

Occupy will simply claim- as they always do- that he's not a real a member even if he may have attended some of their little marches and/or meetings and doesn't represent them.

And of course that will be the end of it as far as the MSM is concerned. Meanwhile, anything he's ever said or written that sounds remotely aligned with Republican politics will be ironclad proof that he was an evil right winger Tea Partier.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 20, 2012 08:28 AM (SY2Kh)

105 95 Â… in Colorado to get a PhD ... in what ?

Neuroscience

Posted by: Long Island at July 20, 2012 08:33 AM (kzp9t)

106 I'm close to 40 years old and it was only in this past year that I really figured out what the judicial sentance: "To be hanged, drawn and quartered" would have to entail. (I guess I kind of took it as some sort of hyperbole.) You want to make a splash, sport? You want to be famous? 1600's people would have been happy to oblige. By hanging you until you WEREN'T dead and then going to town on your ass in even more horrific ways. Cruel? Shyahh! Unusual? Regrettably so, nowadays. I'm not all the way to wanting to see someone burned at the stake but I could see my self getting there. If we had done such to Nidal Hassan or Jared Loughner and right quick, perhaps this "intelligent, neuro-science student" might have expressed his crazy a bit differently. Perhaps not. But we'll never know, now will we? Also, I think that Trace Gallagher (sp?) needs to spend about 48 hours in the stocks being thirsty and pelted with shit and pointy rocks by mean kids for constantly bleating about how the murderer had so many guns and no hunting or concealed carry license.

Posted by: Deety at July 20, 2012 08:37 AM (e65BZ)

107 "[UPDATE (1215 ET): She's fine. Finally heard back from her while waiting to board my plane. But she's worried about some friends that she hasn't heard back from yet.]"

Thank God she's ok, let's hope her friends are ok too.

Posted by: this is horrific at July 20, 2012 08:38 AM (oZfic)

108 First, glad everyone is fine. Second, do you mean that it is more important to you to enact the death penalty on people that do things closer to your proximity? I am pro-death penalty, but you are correct that our system leads to too many innocents suffering the penalty, and the process is too quite/clandestine and slow. I want people to see that if you want to commit mass murder you will die.

Posted by: Mekan at July 20, 2012 08:49 AM (hm8tW)

109 This isn't in any way a slam on the victims, but I would love to see, just once, the gunman hammered into the ground by his furious would-be victims. Just ONCE. There was Columbine, there was a school shooting in Georgia, there was the Virginia Tech murderer, and if citizens would rise up righteous and beat the living tar out of the murderer, that would make any copycats think twice. Even better, someone with a legal concealed weapon just haul off and shoot the bastard. There is nothing else that would be more effective in deterring future mass murderers. If everyone got that in their head, the first scream in a theater, college, or shopping mall (God forbid) would be, 'GET HIM!'

Posted by: Zoomie at July 20, 2012 08:56 AM (fH25M)

110

Then I'd say it's time to become a big proponent of the death penalty, wouldn't you?

Either that, or shut the hell up and quit pretending that this is the ONE very once and only time it's appropriate this time but not usually, probably.

What a goddam wimp.

Posted by: Born Free at July 20, 2012 08:59 AM (Z+ZGh)

111 Oh, my... Romney was...impressive, pastoral...presidential? I'm a superficial little shit, aren't I? That was a balm for everyone who isn't there but still hurts in the way that Tony Blair was, when our President could not be as articulate as we might wish.

Posted by: Deety at July 20, 2012 09:00 AM (e65BZ)

112 Then I'd say it's time to become a big proponent of the death penalty, wouldn't you?
Either that, or shut the hell up and quit pretending that this is the ONE very once and only time it's appropriate this time but not usually, probably.
What a goddam wimp.

Posted by: Born Free at July 20, 2012 12:59 PM (Z+ZGh)

This.

Otherwise we get to engage in the interesting debate about just how many human lives must be taken before death is a suitable penalty.

Justice has always been about a balancing of the scales. Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life. Period. Anything other than a system of that sort is an indefensible abberation from the natural order. Though personally I see no need for 'creative' execution methods - let death be the max and have done with it.

Posted by: Reactionary at July 20, 2012 09:13 AM (xUM1Q)

113 I know how to minimize the proliferation of these atrocities. A quick, fair, one week trial. We KNOW he did it. Conviction is followed by execution. Whole thing is wrapped up within a month. No more endless trials.....no more endless appeals.....no more endless waste of the taxpayers money on what amounts to a rabid dog. Put em down. The sooner the better. And then scrub his very existence from the face of the planet. No grave. No public records. No birth/death date. No books. No newspaper/TV/radio stories. NADA. The guy did not, does not exist. Period. End of Story. Remove the notoriety, and these will dry up.

Posted by: zipity at July 20, 2012 09:25 AM (0ypi5)

114 no more endless waste of the taxpayers money on what amounts to a rabid dog. Put em down. The sooner the better. And then scrub his very existence from the face of the planet.

Posted by: zipity at July 20, 2012 01:25 PM (0ypi5)

Nice - I like it.

Posted by: Reactionary at July 20, 2012 09:33 AM (xUM1Q)

115 Here is a little tip for free to all network lawyers, you might want to put in a clause making the new whores contracts null and void if they mistakenly identify the person committing an atrocity as someone they find politically objectionable and they have to pay to settle the lawsuits out of their own pockets. It is not like there is a shortage of available news whores to be had.

Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at July 20, 2012 09:42 AM (kXoT0)

116 I haven't read the rest of the comments in this thread but I have one word to offer: Keelhaul. And that's too good for the wretch....

Posted by: bert at July 20, 2012 09:44 AM (S8WZQ)

117 George, lets take advantage of the story to blame it on the tea party since F and F didnt work. If we are lucky we can nickle and dime these TPP into nonexistence with these cheapshots. Afterall, our goal is to undermine the 2nd Amendment and create a quasi dictatorship of opinion driven by the media.

Posted by: Briann Ross (internal memo to G. Steph) at July 20, 2012 09:47 AM (u4/pM)

118 53Denver has to be the begging capital of the world. I've never been anywhere else with so many young well clothed kids that will walk up and ask for money. I would bet it draws these OWS types. Anyone watch the Goode Family? The father called these people human raccoons.
These anarchists wouldn't survive anarchy and no legal system to protect them.

Posted by: ryukyu at July 20, 2012 12:00 PM (MOHSR)

Shit, tell me about it...sometimes I think it would be funny to hang out in front of the Brown Palace and ask people if I could have $5 for a latte.

Posted by: model_1066 at July 20, 2012 09:51 AM (YbQJm)

119

Ross, I like your style. I have no conscience about the race baiting we incited with the GZ case. Americans are so stupid. They believe anything. We dont care about anything but pushing our agenda. The truth is a secondary in this game. Time to eat an omelette.

Posted by: G. Steph (internal memo to B Ross) at July 20, 2012 10:00 AM (u4/pM)

120 First it's awful, prayers to the victims, wish a CCW would have taken care of this...

Google James Holmes Tea Party compared to which appears to be the truth, James Holmes Occupy. Amazing...

So IF he is OCCUPY ... hmm on the stand, media interviews.. I just don't see that happening.

Posted by: M1911 at July 20, 2012 10:11 AM (j/KPN)

121 Middle age torture devices are too good for mass murderers. A daily ritual with a board and some water would extend their suffering for years and, just possibly, give some of them pause before they decide to light up a movie theater or a college campus.

Posted by: Davidlind at July 20, 2012 12:01 PM (5ANyb)

122 Impalement. Done properly the death agonies last up to three days.

Posted by: packsoldier at July 20, 2012 12:45 PM (0sJeX)

123 Screw Pixy

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at July 20, 2012 01:02 PM (BX5vj)

124 I'm not sold that this guy has done all the work to prove the case, but he seems to me to have a hell of a lot more to go on than did ABC when they announced that it was a 55 yr old Tea Party member.

And then I would post the link, but the site is too pedantic to let me...

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at July 20, 2012 01:02 PM (BX5vj)

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