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August 20, 2012

Todd Akin Withdrawing From Missouri Senate Race?
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@ewerickson and @richardgrennell are twittering that he will withdraw tomorrow.

Missouri is an absolutely-necessary pickup if we are going to repeal ObamaCare and put this country right. It is not a state we can afford to lose.

If Akin is actually putting patriotic duty ahead of ego and ambition, I'd give that man a lot of respect. And maybe that wouldn't count for much this cycle, but it would in future ones.

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Posted by: mallfly at August 20, 2012 10:37 AM (bJm7W)

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Posted by: Meathammer at August 20, 2012 10:37 AM (W2qJe)

3 I hope he does. Good of the state and country first. Then we can get all the screeching, wailing, and gnashing of teeth done. Along with some stopping the rending of their garments, those images are seared I tell you...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 20, 2012 10:38 AM (cubpP)

4 I hope so.

Obama either has Satan looking out for him or Mike Huckabee bought....

this was the single stupidest move I have seen by a Senatorial candidate from our side in a LONG time.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 10:38 AM (LRFds)

5 so what did he mean say? you shouldn't be able to claim you were raped when you're already seven months pregnant? Sounded like it from a comment on the previous thread.
Well, maybe we can get Alan Keyes to run again

Posted by: mallfly at August 20, 2012 10:38 AM (bJm7W)

6 @rollcall MT @DavidMDrucker: can confirm: @NRSC's $5 mil MO TV reservation for fall will disappear if Akin doesn't drop. #MOSEN

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 20, 2012 10:39 AM (YjDyJ)

7 OMG YES!

I HOPE THIS IS TRUE

Caps Caps

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 20, 2012 10:39 AM (ovpNn)

8 Wow... is Matt Blunt Jr still living in Missouri? you could let him beat McCaskill -again.

Posted by: tasker at August 20, 2012 10:39 AM (r2PLg)

9 He needs to drop out. And I agree, I will have a lot more respect for him if he does. There is no way to defend what he said and creates am unnecessary and untruth angle of attack for the Dems. If nothing else, we're talking about this rather than a failed Presidency. Not a good trade.

Posted by: Tommy V at August 20, 2012 10:39 AM (iJ5jJ)

10 This isn't rocket science. If he actually resigns, and resigns for what he knows would be best for, not MO, but for the country, then my hat is off to him. He has my respect.

Posted by: Soona at August 20, 2012 10:39 AM (7POpr)

11 can i say I told you so?

Good Job if this happens.

Right thing for the party to do and for him to do.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 20, 2012 10:40 AM (ovpNn)

12 did anyone notice the fuss about Repuib congresscritter skinny dipping in the Sea of Galilee? Is this all the Dems are left with?

Posted by: mallfly at August 20, 2012 10:40 AM (bJm7W)

13 So who's the benchwarmer that's going to go up against Claire?

Posted by: John P. Squibob at August 20, 2012 10:40 AM (kqqGm)

14 this topic rocks, boy smell the unity!

We are running against the most radical, economy damaging moron our nation has ever had and we get to refight the 70s because Huckadoodle wants to refight the 70s.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 10:40 AM (LRFds)

15 If he actually resigns, and resigns for what he knows would be best for, not MO, but for the country, then my hat is off to him.

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You know no Dem would ever do that.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 20, 2012 10:40 AM (aHR5E)

16 Missouri Gubernatorial Election 2004 Republican Matt Blunt 1,382,419 50.8% Democratic Claire McCaskill 1,301,442 47.9%

Posted by: tasker at August 20, 2012 10:41 AM (r2PLg)

17
Who gets the nomination then???? Im from Missouri and I'm a little unsure of the rules. Anybody know???

Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2012 10:41 AM (C8hzL)

18 btw all those people who said i was a hysterical whatever and blowing it way out of proportion and that he wouldnt go or be forced out and to stop being a concern troll, no need to apologize to me for being right. I am just glad they did it for the good of the election and our ticket.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 20, 2012 10:41 AM (ovpNn)

19 Hey he fucked up big time. He's gotta go. How do they pick a replacement?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 10:41 AM (05RcU)

20 too bad, I guess this is a hill we shouldn't fight on. I don't know about his RINO rating, but he seems to be making a pro-life point. I just hope that his withdrawing doesn't doom the GOP chance in MO anyway.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 10:41 AM (QxSug)

21 Wasn't the Rep primary pretty close in Missouri? Get this guy out now, the next in line in, and in a week no one will remember.

Sooner the better.

Posted by: CUS at August 20, 2012 10:41 AM (84pE9)

22 Maybe it would be for the best. However, I really do not like setting a precedent for Republicans succumbing to media pressure to drop out of races over gaffes.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 10:41 AM (P6QsQ)

23 I wonder if he has a clue or just saw the $ dry up?

Posted by: SFGoth at August 20, 2012 10:41 AM (dZ756)

24 9 Tommy V,

I will at least respect his dedication to defeating Obama and working towards undoing the more onerous parts of the last 4 years more.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 10:42 AM (LRFds)

25 As for the skinny-dipping in the Sea of Galilee, all I have to say is - At least he did not tweet nude pics to girls like Weiner.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 20, 2012 10:42 AM (cubpP)

When Akin drops out, Sarah Steelman needs to be the candidate.

Having a woman in the spot shuts this conversation down immediately. Also, she's already polled well against McCaskill.

Posted by: jwest at August 20, 2012 10:42 AM (ZDsRL)

Is Dick Gephart available to run as a (R) ?

Posted by: CheshireLion at August 20, 2012 10:42 AM (zNDIM)

28 I'm checking to see when the last Dem resigned for making a stupid comment, I'll let you know when I find something.

Posted by: saltlick at August 20, 2012 10:42 AM (W2qJe)

29 @mpoindc McConnell says Akin should consider "whether this statement will prevent him from effectively representing our party" this election.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 20, 2012 10:42 AM (YjDyJ)

30 I am betting they pull in Steelman

Getting a woman to replace Akin is excellent optics.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 20, 2012 10:42 AM (ovpNn)

31 re 17: according to a new Executive Order, Obama gets to name the next Senator from Missouri

Posted by: mallfly at August 20, 2012 10:42 AM (bJm7W)

32 no need to apologize to me for being right.

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You have no idea what a relief that is to me.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 10:42 AM (P6QsQ)

33 I predicted this on the last thread, but this is a sure sign that internal polling shows a huge GOP victory. The GOP wants no distractions. Obama is toast.

Posted by: SH at August 20, 2012 10:42 AM (gmeXX)

34 Probably the right decision. If he steps aside, the Party apparatus and PACs can back his successor. If not, I think they can't justify doing that.

Posted by: Y-not at August 20, 2012 10:43 AM (5H6zj)

35 18 JGD,

no need to pat yourself on the back yet and not being an A-hole...

I am waiting to see....

we must NOT let Obama wiggle off this hood....defeat Obama

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 10:43 AM (LRFds)

36 Wow. A Politician.

Accepting responsibility.

This can't be right.

I gotta go sober up.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 20, 2012 10:43 AM (sbV1u)

37 Drop out? Ha. Anyone stupid enough to espouse his beliefs, and say what he said, will never drop out.

Posted by: Jason M at August 20, 2012 10:43 AM (Be0fb)

38 Is Dick Gephart available to run as a (R) ?

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Remember when Little Dick (D - Unions' back pocket) tried to claim he was a moderate?

Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 20, 2012 10:43 AM (aHR5E)

If he drops out, the MSM fixation still won't go away. It's all they have.

They will give every last Republican a chance - hell, a dozen chances - to hang himself with the issue.

Posted by: Jaws at August 20, 2012 10:43 AM (4I3Uo)

40 22 Maybe it would be for the best. However, I really do not like setting a precedent for Republicans succumbing to media pressure to drop out of races over gaffes.
Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district

With all due respect, the media wouldn't have had crap if he hadn't said it.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 20, 2012 10:44 AM (ovpNn)

41 I think it is less patriotic duty and more the GOP will probably reward him in some way. But that's ok. Politics ain't beanbag. Is this a sign of a mature GOP. We don't normally see this.

Posted by: SH at August 20, 2012 10:44 AM (gmeXX)

42 Aiken get the Wendell Wilke award for putting country above personal advancement.

Who are the potentials for replacement?

Posted by: General Woundwort at August 20, 2012 10:44 AM (06lNq)

43 22 Mama Winger,

I agree but we cannot both run to win and try to undermine the media....the time to fight the media is to play mindgames with them after we win using the bully pulpit.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 10:44 AM (LRFds)

44 It's ridiculous it's coming to this but our party has no spine. Whatever. I guess it's for the best with the convention starting in a week.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 20, 2012 10:44 AM (pLTLS)

45 wiggle off this hood? Poor Travyon and his hoodie, no respect at all. He is the son Obama never could convince Michelle to self procreate for.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 20, 2012 10:44 AM (cubpP)

46 Thank you for the designated thread for this. I'm serious. Thank you. Now, who would like to join me for some ice cream? I'm having tin roof (rusted).

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at August 20, 2012 10:44 AM (VtjlW)

47 Anyway this McCaskill broad has some luck ha? People drop dead to get her elected and others commit political hariKari? It's better to be lucky than smart

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 10:44 AM (05RcU)

48 did anyone notice the fuss about Repuib congresscritter skinny dipping in the Sea of Galilee?

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I was extremely saddened to discover that the congressman in question was not Paul Ryan.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 10:44 AM (P6QsQ)

49 Matt Blunt he defeated her once in better times he would almost be a lock to defeat McCaskill this time.

Posted by: tasker at August 20, 2012 10:44 AM (r2PLg)

50 if Dems resigned for making stupid comments, Hillary would be Vice President.Or President. Given her shape, maybe both.

Posted by: mallfly at August 20, 2012 10:44 AM (bJm7W)

51 this was the single stupidest move I have seen by a Senatorial candidate from our side in a LONG time.

It was stupid, but at least a little bit overblown.

It still would've been stupid had he said "forcible rape" instead of "legitimate rape" (and that's probably what he meant), but not quite as bad.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 20, 2012 10:44 AM (SY2Kh)

52 What? And ruin a perfectly legitimate panic attack by the bedwetting brigade? This is an outrage!

Posted by: IdowhatIwant at August 20, 2012 10:44 AM (DzvS7)

53 Drop out for saying something stupid? Now, now, why so hasty?

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 20, 2012 10:44 AM (84pE9)

54 Do we lose his congressional seat too?

Posted by: Tami at August 20, 2012 10:44 AM (X6akg)

55 32 no need to apologize to me for being right.

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You have no idea what a relief that is to me.
Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district

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You know I adore you right?

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 20, 2012 10:45 AM (ovpNn)

>>btw all those people who said i was a hysterical

I am sure your 120 or so posts on a Sunday afternoon Open Thread at the AoSHQ was the straw that broke the RiNO's back.

Go ahead. Have an extra handful of paste to celebrate. On me.

Posted by: garrett at August 20, 2012 10:45 AM (okfoK)

57 17 Who gets the nomination then???? -- Per twitter feed, the MO GOP central committee decides. I tend to agree that I'd go with the female candidate, given that Akin's two opponents were essentially tied for 2nd/3rd.

Posted by: Y-not at August 20, 2012 10:45 AM (5H6zj)

58 This is what you would call an "own goal."

Posted by: mastour at August 20, 2012 10:45 AM (BuYeH)

59 You can't get pregnant if I withdraw, right?

Posted by: Todd Akin at August 20, 2012 10:45 AM (5Rurq)

60 why does this leave a bad taste in the mouth? Why do we let lefties twist words from our mouths into new meanings. Stacy McCain is right, this is a just an Alinsky lynching. Oh well, the spice must flow.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 10:45 AM (QxSug)

61 Good. I hope he does withdraw. His statements prove he's not ready for primetime. Akin is either stupid or politically naive. Winning the Senate is just as important as winning the Presidency and we can't afford him now.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 20, 2012 10:45 AM (54vf8)

62 Now, who would like to join me for some ice cream? I'm having tin roof (rusted).Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at August 20, 2012 02:44 PM (VtjlW)

In your Love Shack?

:::: runs and hides ::::

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 20, 2012 10:45 AM (sbV1u)

63 45 Anna,

oops....wow epic typo...

no implied gallows for Obama meant...."sorry"

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 10:45 AM (LRFds)

64 With all due respect, the media wouldn't have had crap if he hadn't said it.

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Really? Remember that lying sack of shit Michael J. Fox? AKA The reason McCaskill was elected to begin with?

Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 20, 2012 10:45 AM (aHR5E)

65 Although I agree that it is best for the party.. I feel like we are arguing over thee price for our souls. We get offended if we are offered .20 cents but, really have to think when we are offered $20.00. We still are selling...

He is right, morally, ethically, and factually, at this point we are just haggling...

Posted by: catman at August 20, 2012 10:45 AM (YKUmW)

66 I hope this is true. His tongue needs to be clipped before he says something else that stupid. I'm sure there are some good folks who would be happy to take his place.

Posted by: TheNoseKnows at August 20, 2012 10:46 AM (h3vUP)

67 Now, who would like to join me for some ice cream? I'm having tin roof (rusted).

Ice cream sounds good, but how bout a Cookies, Creme and Hate milkshake?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 20, 2012 10:46 AM (da5Wo)

68 I was ripping this guy last night, but if he drops out good for him. A democrat would never drop out for saying something so stupid.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at August 20, 2012 10:46 AM (NzBQO)

69 @51

Overblown?

You show me how to successfully parse rape?

Posted by: General Woundwort at August 20, 2012 10:46 AM (06lNq)

70 Every liberal rag in the country is talking about this unforced error. We have been talking about it all damn morning ourselves.

Every time we open our mouth it should be about the shitty Obama economy and high unemployment. Lets not hand them a gun to shoot us with.

Posted by: Vic at August 20, 2012 10:46 AM (YdQQY)

71 @ewerickson and someone else on twitter are the only source?

Posted by: tasker at August 20, 2012 10:46 AM (r2PLg)

72 You know I adore you right?

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I did not know that, no, and it is very sweet of you to say so.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 10:46 AM (P6QsQ)

73 The Party has until midnight tomorrow to replace him, or so I've been told

Palin endorsed Steelman, and that would work

Posted by: Cop in Copenhagen at August 20, 2012 10:47 AM (Dll6b)

74 60 JoeinDC,

alinskying works when ran by our blogosphere and aimed at the few moderates and political junkies who are in the midterm cycles....I am not sre we can get the NE RINO wing during a national with President to go along.

I wish it were different.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 10:47 AM (LRFds)

75 57
>>btw all those people who said i was a hysterical

I am sure your 120 or so posts on a Sunday afternoon Open Thread at the AoSHQ was the straw that broke the RiNO's back.
Go ahead. Have an extra handful of paste to celebrate. On me.

Posted by: garrett

Wow were you counting Garrett? I am impressed...I didn't know you liked me that much.

I like you too.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 20, 2012 10:47 AM (ovpNn)

16 -

That would be weird, father/son Senators. Who was the guy who finished #2 in the Primary? Maybe this is his lucky day.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 20, 2012 10:47 AM (TOk1P)

77 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 20, 2012 10:47 AM (8y9MW)

78 No prob Sven. We all suffer typos when the fingers fly too fast across the keyboard while our brain is four words behind.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 20, 2012 10:47 AM (cubpP)

79 Every time we open our mouth it should be about the shitty Obama economy and high unemployment. Lets not hand them a gun to shoot us with. Posted by: Vic at August 20, 2012 02:46 PM (YdQQY)

THIS

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 20, 2012 10:48 AM (sbV1u)

80 Stupid thing to say politically and stupidly said but I know exactly what he meant. That means squat and he should withdraw for the good of the his state and country so that his Dem evil spawn opponent can be defeated.

Posted by: polynikes at August 20, 2012 10:48 AM (m2CN7)

81 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at August 20, 2012 10:48 AM (6o4Fb)

82 The GOP must operate by a different set of rules than the Democrats thanks to the MSM. We can either just bitch about it or do something. In this case, the best option is to force this guy to resign. Rather than let the Dems and MSM call the GOP hypocrats, the GOP should live up to higher standards. That could be good politics. Contrast this with Biden. Look at McCotter. The Dems were trying to tell us that there is no fraud in voting. And we can now point to one of our own to prove the opposite. Its no longer partisan. We should use these scandals/misstatements to our advantage when possible. This is one such case.

Posted by: SH at August 20, 2012 10:48 AM (gmeXX)

83 Hoping for Steelman. She'd kick Air Claire's sorry {ahem}, and would make it tough for the media to make the rape angle stick.

Mew

Posted by: acat at August 20, 2012 10:48 AM (2XzHo)

84 There are two other candidates from the primary that are completely viable.

Posted by: nickless at August 20, 2012 10:48 AM (MMC8r)

85 Overblown? You show me how to successfully parse rape? Posted by: General Woundwort at August 20, 2012 02:46 PM (06lNq) Well ya gotta ask Clinton about that, but your correct this Akin guy has got to go, if for no other reason than being a freaken idiot

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 10:48 AM (05RcU)

86 whatever, I just hope that his withdrawing over a fake controversy works out better than it did for Ryan Keyes in 2004.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 10:48 AM (QxSug)

87 In his speech and statement, he should throw a shot at Biden:

Akin should say that although it was simply a misstatement that didn't reflect his soul, as an individual and as a Republican he understands that words have meaning, that it's something for which there could be repercussions. And, thus, he accepts responsibility for his mistakes in the hopes of elevating the dialogue of the nation to the pressing issues at hand: the debt, unemployment, saving and reform of Medicare.

Then the surrogates ask why Republicans have standards and the White House is defending Biden, why Obama is saying his surrogates didn't call Romney a Felon, etc.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at August 20, 2012 10:49 AM (Wa+Fw)

88 Akin is a lot like Joe Biden., ate up with the dumbass. He should go.

Posted by: huerfano at August 20, 2012 10:49 AM (bAGA/)

89 OT another "personal grievance" I suppose. (CBS/AP) KABUL, Afghanistan - The NATO military coalition in Afghanistan says a man in an Afghan police uniform has shot and killed an international service member in southern Afghanistan. It was the latest in a string of attacks by apparent Afghan forces against their NATO allies....

Posted by: steevy at August 20, 2012 10:49 AM (6o4Fb)

90 In your Love Shack? :::: runs and hides :::: I cannot say or even think tin roof without adding rusted. Stupid brain. Ice cream sounds good, but how bout a Cookies, Creme and Hate milkshake? I had haterade for lunch so I think I'm full up on hate. I'm not kidding about being all nose pressed to the glass going is it time for peppermint chocolate chip shake now? How about now? Now?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at August 20, 2012 10:49 AM (VtjlW)

91 AKIN TO PULL OUT EARLY.

Posted by: Nukie at August 20, 2012 10:49 AM (LROPO)

92 79 SB,

I agree....

perfect response to the war on women....

"Akin resigned correctly IMHO, and I'd like to ask you why your colleague did not ask the President about his precise plans for the economy that has stalled from its slow recovery this year?"

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 10:49 AM (LRFds)

93
Now do you understand why I rely on TOTUS to keep me on topic?

Posted by: Barky O'Bendoin', Preznint De Luxe at August 20, 2012 10:49 AM (7GfKM)

94 Via twitter StevenErtelt If Akin drops out. RT @McCormackJohn: GOP state central committee would pick replacement http://t.co/6hqsMy0

Posted by: Y-not at August 20, 2012 10:49 AM (5H6zj)

95 And the farce played out perfectly.

Posted by: soothsayer at August 20, 2012 10:49 AM (hNqVf)

96 I'm tanned rested and ready. You wouldn't have to change the yard signs or bumperstickers.

And I have a monkey.

Posted by: Zombie Claude Akin at August 20, 2012 10:49 AM (QKKT0)

97 McCaskill is the Poster Twat for the New Democrat Woman: An old, bitter, hard-left mommie state semi-stupid hag

in re Boxer, Indian Warren, Wasserman-Test, and so many others...

Posted by: Cop in Copenhagen at August 20, 2012 10:50 AM (Dll6b)

98 It's not about what's fair. Do people really want to spend time defending that comment? If he is that stupid and that bizarre, how many more stupid comments are behind that one? There was a reason why the Democrats fought to get this guy the nomination. The only thing that matters is winning that seat and winning the senate. This is national survival time. We are in an existential crisis and we cannot risk a Senate seat over partisan pride. This is not about the GOP, this is about saving the country.

Posted by: Tommy V at August 20, 2012 10:50 AM (iJ5jJ)

Hallelujah I've been unbanned.

Posted by: polynikes at August 20, 2012 10:50 AM (m2CN7)

100 He has to go for the good of the Party(and the country!).If he was a Dem he would have no problem staying in the race,that's just the way it is.

Posted by: steevy at August 20, 2012 10:50 AM (6o4Fb)

101 I just hope that his withdrawing over a fake controversy works out better than it did for Ryan / Keyes in 2004.

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Thanks for that horrible horrid awful very bad reminder.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 10:50 AM (P6QsQ)

102 He's gonna do the right thing because someone in the MO GOP found him another gig.

......peddling Shinola at a waste treatment plant.

Posted by: ontherocks at August 20, 2012 10:50 AM (aZ6ew)

103 54 Do we lose his congressional seat too?

No.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 20, 2012 10:50 AM (YjDyJ)

104 StevenErtelt Former RNC vice chair Ann Wagner is running for Akin's seat. Would be an interesting replacement for Akin in Senate race.

Posted by: Y-not at August 20, 2012 10:51 AM (5H6zj)

105 The reason why the Dems/Prog/Libs have been able to march through pretty much every facet of our country is because they have one fucking goal. Nothing stands in the way of that.

It pains me to say this, but we could use a little of this messaging discipline.

Posted by: General Woundwort at August 20, 2012 10:51 AM (06lNq)

106 Aiken is a dolt. I normally would not succumb to the pressure to resign, but this guy does not have it upstairs. He's horrible in interviews, has a very drab personality and is obviously gaffe prone. He needs to go. Pronto. I was horrified when I found out he won the primary. Brunner and Steelman polled better than him.. so I still don't see how he did it.

Posted by: jewells45 at August 20, 2012 10:51 AM (l/N7H)

107 Isn't it rich that the party with an elder-statesman of Bill "Put some ice on it" Clinton is judging anyone's candidate on rape comments?

Fascinating.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 20, 2012 10:51 AM (pLTLS)

108 I had haterade for lunch so I think I'm full up on hate. I'm not kidding about being all nose pressed to the glass going is it time for peppermint chocolate chip shake now? How about now? Now?

Hmmmm....never had one. That sounds like delicious, delicious hate.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 20, 2012 10:51 AM (da5Wo)

109 It sounds like Akin cannot run for Rep and Sen at the same time, so he'll be out of office once his term expires... I think.

Posted by: Y-not at August 20, 2012 10:52 AM (5H6zj)

110 THANK GOD! I spent the whole day calling and emailing and facebooking. Yikes.

Posted by: Janetoo at August 20, 2012 10:52 AM (IgUON)

111 I dunno......from the NYT (I know...I know.) It says it's from 24 mins. ago.....

The language was more forceful than an earlier statement in which Mr. Romney and his running mate, Representative Paul D. Ryan, said they disagreed with Mr. AkinÂ’s views.

At least two Republican senators Â— Scott P. Brown of Massachusetts and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin Â— called for Mr. Akin to end his Senate campaign. George Allen, the Republican Senate nominee in Virginia, also condemned Mr. AkinÂ’s comments.

Mr. Akin appeared later on Mike HuckabeeÂ’s radio program and said he would continue his Senate campaign.

Â“IÂ’m not a quitter,Â” he said. Â“My belief is weÂ’re going to take this thing forward, and by the grace of God, weÂ’re going to win this race.Â”

But he also backtracked on his comments.

Â“Let me be clear,Â” he said. Â“Rape is never legitimate. ItÂ’s an evil act thatÂ’s committed by violent predators. I used the wrong words in the wrong way.Â”

He added: Â“I also know that people do become pregnant from rape. I didnÂ’t mean to imply that that wasnÂ’t the case.Â” He also said that he wanted to applogize Â“to those that I have hurt.Â”

Posted by: Tami at August 20, 2012 10:52 AM (X6akg)

112

I guess the strongly worded message from Team Romney was the first clue that tonight:

Akin sleeps with the fishes.

Posted by: kallisto at August 20, 2012 10:52 AM (jm/9g)

113 1 hour agÂ• BY NICHOLAS J.C. PISTOR Â• npistor@post-dispatch.com > 314-340-826527 U.S. Rep. Todd Akin apologized on Mike Huckabee's radio show today for comments he made about rape, and said he will remain in Missouri's U.S. Senate race. "I'm not a quitter," Akin said. "We all make mistakes," Akin said, disowning his previous comments that victims of "legitimate rape" can somehow prevent getting pregnant. "The many people who supported me know that when you make a mistake what you need to do is say you're sorry." Now, Republican party leaders who want Akin to exit the race will be forced to put heat on him in public, which could further wound his chances of beating Claire McCaskill in the fall. ____________ stltoday.com

Posted by: tasker at August 20, 2012 10:52 AM (r2PLg)

114 Mirab, with sails unfurled.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 20, 2012 10:52 AM (1JS3N)

115 94 Via twitter StevenErtelt
If Akin drops out. RT @McCormackJohn: GOP state central committee would pick replacement http://t.co/6hqsMy0
Posted by: Y-not at August 20, 2012 02:49 PM (5H6zj)

So, they'll be serving up a heaping plateful of Dede Scuzzy-Fuzzy? Fabulous!

Posted by: Barky O'Bendoin', Preznint De Luxe at August 20, 2012 10:52 AM (7GfKM)

116

...You show me how to successfully parse rape?

It's really quite simple.

Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg at August 20, 2012 10:52 AM (NF2Bf)

117 If the MSM brings it up again, we ask when is Biden stepping down?

Posted by: thunderb at August 20, 2012 10:52 AM (Dnbau)

118

The fact that Barky jumped in front of a podium today.....just to comment on this.....illustrates what a huge fuck up it was, by Akin.

I understand what Akin was trying to say....

But the way he said it, handed a Big Gift to the Dems.

Posted by: wheatie at August 20, 2012 10:52 AM (mtRB0)

119 He is not withdrawing. He will stay and further embarrass socons til the bitter end. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444443504577601481043101626.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Posted by: Jason M at August 20, 2012 10:53 AM (Be0fb)

120 No one seems to have an answer as to who the replacement would be, other than the Missouri Republican committee gets to name them.

Possibilities include candidates Brunner and Steelman who ran against Akin as well as former Senators John Ashcroft, Jim Talent, and Kit Bond.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 20, 2012 10:53 AM (e0xKF)

121 lulu, the Democrats make their rapists keynote convention speakers we burn-at-the-stake anyone who doesn't abide by the Left's absurd PC rules

Posted by: soothsayer at August 20, 2012 10:54 AM (EZf+u)

122 Hmm.

Posted by: toby928© at August 20, 2012 10:54 AM (QupBk)

123
Heh.....

Akin gave O a gift..... and O returns the favor by stepping on his own dick.... again...... by denying anybody ever suggested Romney was a felon.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2012 10:54 AM (C8hzL)

124 Overblown?

You show me how to successfully parse rape?

The law makes the distinction between forcible rape, statutory rape, sexual assault, etc.

Though both are considered rape, there's a difference between a rape that's done at knifepoint and an 18 year old having consensual sex with his 16 year old girlfriend.

While wrong in all circumstances, it's simply not the case that "rape is rape".

Though wrong and misguided, I suspect Akin was trying to suggest that women aren't prone to getting pregnant from forcible ("legitimate" in his unfortunate choice of words) rape.

So yeah- it was stupid, but at least a little overblown.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 20, 2012 10:54 AM (SY2Kh)

125 I think he was asked if he thought abortion was acceptable in the case of rape. I think he meant to say that this question was canard used by pro abortionists since there are very few if any pregnancies as a result of rape. Is someone is pro life then no babies being killed is acceptable. If this is what he was trying to say, he was absolutely correct and I agree with him. Also, if there is a pregnancy from the rape, isn't the baby also a victim. What did the baby do which would require him/her to be killed.

Posted by: James at August 20, 2012 10:54 AM (IoTd/)

126 99 polynikes,

welcome back good to see you

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 10:54 AM (LRFds)

127 He is Akin bacon..

Posted by: catman at August 20, 2012 10:55 AM (YKUmW)

128

If this dummy does not drop out there won't be any other story covered between now and November, just this one.

There has to be at least one sane, attractive, conservative woman in Missouri who could run a competent campaign and throw a bucket of cold water on this meme before it does any more damage.

Posted by: Boots at August 20, 2012 10:55 AM (neKzn)

129 Getting a woman to replace Akin is excellent optics.

10 weeks of "Rethuglikkkkans think they can fool you by using a woman" is "excellent optics"?

I just hope that his withdrawing over a fake controversy works out better than it did for Ryan / Keyes in 2004.

I'm still mad at Mike Ditka.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 20, 2012 10:55 AM (/kI1Q)

130 That would be absolutely stupid, to pull out of the race. And if you actually see what he really said, its dumb but not the ghastly horror that people are playing it up as. Not like, say, claiming your opponent is going to enslave blacks if elected, for example.
He said it poorly but heck, Democrats have gotten long term careers on saying stupid, poorly stated stuff in public. Its just that the left is so totally protective of abortion as a sacred institution they will pile on anyone who says anything about it, particularly if its poorly done.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 10:55 AM (r4wIV)

131 109 It sounds like Akin cannot run for Rep and Sen at the same time, so he'll be out of office once his term expires... I think.

Yes, but he would only lose his seat before the election if he officially resigned from Congress.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 20, 2012 10:55 AM (YjDyJ)

132 Finding Number 3a: The congressman who purportedly skinnydipped in the Sea of Galilee peed in the water while he was swimming.

Posted by: FBI Case File # 89232-2 at August 20, 2012 10:55 AM (yL3Ki)

133

91 -

Questions remain as to whether he has been legitimately raped or not.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 20, 2012 10:55 AM (TOk1P)

134

However, I really do not like setting a precedent for Republicans succumbing to media pressure to drop out of races over gaffes.

I don't either, but the trick is to not let your hatred for the media lead you to defend politically indefensible mistakes. That's playing into their hands.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2012 10:55 AM (YXmuI)

135 Really? Remember that lying sack of shit Michael J. Fox? AKA The reason McCaskill was elected to begin with?

Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 20, 2012 02:45 PM (aHR5E)

BlCs fof;stami fucking McCaskill lmiPsh vmer :Cli/sh.

Posted by: MiCHu j. Fuxl at August 20, 2012 10:56 AM (7POpr)

136 The sad part is so many libertarians are using this as an excuse to hate on social conservatives. SEE THEY'RE ALL CRAZY AND RUIN EVERYTHING!!!1!1!11!!!!
Relax guys. Maybe less caffeine or... other indulgences.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 10:56 AM (r4wIV)

137 Of course if he resigns, it will probably help the Missouri race, but the MFM will still beat the drum against Romney. It's what they do. It's all they do.

Posted by: toby928© at August 20, 2012 10:56 AM (QupBk)

138 I read about Akin's statement this morning and was thinking to myself, you know your running for US Senate and not dog catcher right Todd? Nothing like opening your mouth and turning a sure things into a cluster fuck that hurts the entire party because now Romney and Ryan have to stop what they are doing and respond to it. It also forces us so spend more to win a seat that should have been a near freebie. I voted for Brunner but I think Steelman coming in second is the obvious pick. Steelman came out early and condemned the statement and she is a female so its a natural fix that will minimize damage. Our Senate seat will still be a pick up for the Republicans but the margin of victory will be smaller. McCaskill's whole strategy would have been to claim Akin was far right fringe, you don't open your mouth and prove them right when you have a 11% advantage in the polls. Now Akin gets to sit at home think about how he could have been a Senator if only he didn't open his fucking mouth.

Posted by: Drew in MO at August 20, 2012 10:56 AM (MkgGw)

139 113 Tasker,

Screw Huckabee....

There were just two candidates in serious contention I would have refused to vote for out of hand and luckily one of 'em quit before the race,

Huckabee and Paul.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 10:56 AM (LRFds)

140 86 whatever, I just hope that his withdrawing over a fake controversy works out better than it did for Ryan Keyes in 2004.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 02:48 PM

In this case we'll be substituting a better candidate, rather than a worse one in 2004. So yeah, it should work out better.

Posted by: buzz at August 20, 2012 10:57 AM (i27M5)

141

Democrats have gotten long term careers on saying stupid, poorly stated stuff in public.

Doesn't matter. We have to play on the playing field we have. It isn't fair, but so what? I want to win.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2012 10:57 AM (YXmuI)

142 So, they'll be serving up a heaping plateful of Dede Scuzzy-Fuzzy? Fabulous!

All three Republicans that ran in the primary were conservatives. If he were to drop out, they'd almost certainly pick one of the two who lost.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 20, 2012 10:57 AM (SY2Kh)

143 For what it's worth, my opinion on withdrawing. Don't do it. Don't ever back up. Every time some R says something stupid now, the Dems will scream for them to step down and have an example. Don't play defense, drive forward, take the attack to them.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 20, 2012 10:57 AM (da5Wo)

144

The Republican strategy should be to call for Akin to withdraw at the same time they raise the question whether Obama still agrees on allowing a live birth from an intended abortion to die by placing it in a room with no assistance.

Posted by: polynikes at August 20, 2012 10:57 AM (m2CN7)

145 This is good news for President Obama! I am happy :-)

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, Vt at August 20, 2012 10:57 AM (48wze)

146 Yes, but he would only lose his seat before the election if he officially resigned from Congress. Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 20, 2012 02:55 PM (YjDyJ) I think what is being asked is there an R candidate running in his district?

Posted by: joe at August 20, 2012 10:58 AM (i3OIF)

147 If it's on Twitter, it's got to be true.

Posted by: Zombie Margaret Thatcher at August 20, 2012 10:58 AM (VndSC)

148 Ha! McCaskill's strategy worked TOO well.

We in Missourah were bombarded with McCaskill's ads during the primary repeating over and over that Akin was the most extreme, most conservative candidate in the GOP primary (in order to encourage conservative Republicans to vote for him). It was clear she wanted to run against him, and continue that theme into the general, directed at moderate swing voters.

If Akin withdraws, she'll be deprived of her favored opponent. She won't be credibly able to throw the "extreme" label at his replacement, having exhausted that on him. And I guarantee the MO GOP will select Sarah Steelman, whose gender will neutralize this issue. All of McCaskill's strategy and plans will be for naught.

Steelman will beat McCaskill by at least 8. No problem.

This is making lemonade out of lemons.

Posted by: angler at August 20, 2012 10:58 AM (SwjAj)

149 I think he was asked if he thought abortion was acceptable in the case of rape. I think he meant to say that this question was canard used by pro abortionists since there are very few if any pregnancies as a result of rape. Is someone is pro life then no babies being killed is acceptable. If this is what he was trying to say, he was absolutely correct and I agree with him. Also, if there is a pregnancy from the rape, isn't the baby also a victim. What did the baby do which would require him/her to be killed. Posted by: James at August 20, 2012 02:54 PM

If that is what he meant to say, he should have written it on his hand.

Posted by: Sarah Palin at August 20, 2012 10:58 AM (bAGA/)

150 " so I still don't see how he did it."

By having a better team of people behind him, and actually do the work before the primary election day.

I'll bet Akin personally knocked on more doors in his district than his competitors.

It's too bad he insisted on stepping into the fundy "every sperm is sacred" trap. I am against government funding for elective procedures, like abortion ... but I would personally drop money in the hat for a rape victim to get a first trimester abortion.

Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 10:58 AM (0aV2C)

151 shameful, really Akin jusy got cast out by his own people for, what, by suggesting we shouldn't be too hasty to kill unborn babies. But he touchef an imaginary third rail or some shit. We folded.

Posted by: soothsayer at August 20, 2012 10:58 AM (cQuy/)

152 We have to win the Presidency and the Senate. Now is not the time to say "but they are stoopid too!!" If we can replace him and win, we should. Not to placate the MSM, but to eliminate a mass distraction. Plus, he sounds like an idiot

Posted by: thunderb at August 20, 2012 10:58 AM (Dnbau)

153

120 -

Egad, to the trio of has-beens, the answer is no, no and heck no!

Posted by: BurtTC at August 20, 2012 10:58 AM (TOk1P)

154

Call me "ignorant", but what happens? I presume the runner-up will oppose the Dem? How do they stack up against the Dem?

Posted by: Optimizer at August 20, 2012 10:59 AM (As94z)

155 131 CT,

You are correct. It is not fair. I am more interested in beating Obama than winning against the media and losing races because idiot moderates believe the MSM rage counterbattery at being called out.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 10:59 AM (LRFds)

156 148 I think what is being asked is there an R candidate running in his district?

Former RNC vice chair Ann Wagner

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 20, 2012 10:59 AM (YjDyJ)

157 I hope he goes. The DNC ad writes itself. There is no way to even spin what he said to anything that makes sense. Go before the convention and it will be long forgotten. IMO

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at August 20, 2012 10:59 AM (DGIjM)

158 #59 wins the thread

Posted by: not the mama at August 20, 2012 11:00 AM (96Kco)

159

We need to stop whining about how the Democrats are treated differently and use it to our advantage. The guest host on Rush today made a great point. Its not just the message but also the messenger. If I read Akin's comment in the best possible light, I can find it not very troubling. But he expressed his message so clumsily that it puts the focus on the wrong issue. And his comment doesn't just affect him, but the campaign at large. If this was an off-year election, I may agree that we shouldn't allow one misstatement to force a resignation. But that is not the case here. Certain gaffes can be more dangerous than others based on the times they are uttered. Let him resign, let's put this behind us, let's in the process point out how this is different from Biden's statement. And let's continue to kick ass. We should still win this seat.

Posted by: SH at August 20, 2012 11:00 AM (gmeXX)

160 I'll bet Akin personally knocked on more doors in his district than his competitors. It's too bad he insisted on stepping into the fundy "every sperm is sacred" trap. I am against government funding for elective procedures, like abortion ... but I would personally drop money in the hat for a rape victim to get a first trimester abortion. Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 02:58 PM (0aV2C) "Every sperm is sacred" isn't the Catholic or Protestant position.

Posted by: joe at August 20, 2012 11:00 AM (i3OIF)

161

It was that thing that Akin said about...."a woman's body has a way of shutting that down".....that was teh suppids.

I mean, wtf?

Posted by: wheatie at August 20, 2012 11:00 AM (mtRB0)

162 68 I was ripping this guy last night, but if he drops out good for him. A democrat would never drop out for saying something so stupid.

A Dem would have said :"I was misquoted" and when the taped was played, the Dem would say "well, I misspoke, what I meant was..." and the MSM would simply repeat it without a hint of doubt or sarcasm.

We really do need to be like Sen Gronk: Gronk hate bill! Gronk smash! It's basically what the Dems do every day.

Posted by: mallfly at August 20, 2012 11:00 AM (bJm7W)

163 Former RNC vice chair Ann Wagner Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 20, 2012 02:59 PM (YjDyJ) Got it. That's good.

Posted by: joe at August 20, 2012 11:00 AM (i3OIF)

164 >>>George Allen, the Republican Senate nominee in Virginia, also
condemned Mr. AkinÂ’s comments.

I gotta admit, this is pretty fucking hilarious right here.

Posted by: Jeff B. at August 20, 2012 11:00 AM (Z2wcK)

165 this was the single stupidest move I have seen by a Senatorial candidate from our side in a LONG time.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 02:38 PM (LRFds)

I couldn't agree more my friend(S)

Posted by: Juan McCain at August 20, 2012 11:01 AM (eavT+)

166 the MO GOP will select Sarah Steelman, whose gender will neutralize this issue.

At the risk of being banned, I will note that the GOP nominating a woman for VP in 2008 ramped up the insane violent pro-abortion rhetoric/antics/lies.

"She's not a woman, she's a Republican."

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 20, 2012 11:01 AM (/kI1Q)

167 138 CT,

I have never raged on SoCon other than "moral indignation over votes". It sucks that they are as unfair as they are, but they WANT us to defend him. They were handed a huge gift, they say Romney travels through time to give women cancer....

come now what are they going to do with this?

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:01 AM (LRFds)

168 Soothsayer: A rape victim should be able to get an abortion.

As long as you oppose that, you will be standing out there dying on that hill alone.

Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 11:01 AM (0aV2C)

169 For what it's worth, my opinion on withdrawing. Don't do it. Don't ever back up. Every time some R says something stupid now, the Dems will scream for them to step down and have an example. Don't play defense, drive forward, take the attack to them. Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 20, 2012 02:57 PM (da5Wo) What he said was so stupid and self inflicted, he has to withdraw. Someone that stupid really should not be in politics. Yeah I know there are others, but this guy proved it beyond a doubt

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 11:01 AM (05RcU)

170 They gone put this Akin back in chains, y'all. The MFM will fry the Romney campaign with this shiny object until it becomes the national conversation, and then keep it front page right up until election day. An apology and a withdrawal, followed by a quick replacement by the woman candidate would be wonderful, but Akin is going to be an asshole about it and stay in. And lose to McCaskill in November. Shit.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at August 20, 2012 11:01 AM (PH+2B)

171 We folded.

Posted by: soothsayer at August 20, 2012 02:58 PM

Akin moved into Adam Smith of Chick-fil-A fame with his legitimate rape comment. He embarrassed the company. He should be canned.

Posted by: huerfano at August 20, 2012 11:01 AM (bAGA/)

172 167 Juan Queeg,

no Mav YOU went full Jar jar and transcended also I am not counting your WILLFUL asshattery as "mistakes"...

adios

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:02 AM (LRFds)

173 137 Hey boys, I'm still available and ready to go. Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at August 20, 2012 02:56 PM (hvwLi) _____________ Actually you are going to have that- Trouble Maker's Ball at the IMAX theater in Tampa during the Republican Convention-where you "debate" Occupiers. Funny how you aren't doing that to distract from the DNC Convention.

Posted by: tasker at August 20, 2012 11:02 AM (r2PLg)

174 I have absolutely no idea what s going on in Missouri or who this guy is or what his history is.

I may have been a little over-wrought.

Can any people from Missouri chime in and say if this guy has the smarts to weather this?

Posted by: General Woundwort at August 20, 2012 11:02 AM (06lNq)

175 170 Soothsayer: A rape victim should be able to get an abortion.

As long as you oppose that, you will be standing out there dying on that hill alone.

No, he won't. I'll be standing there with him. As will a good many other people. The worth of a human life does not depend on how they were conceived.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 20, 2012 11:03 AM (da5Wo)

176 Too bad Republicans freaked out over this. I don't know how it plays out, whether he is dropping out or what, but the folks on our side who run around screaming at the drop of a hat will do him in if he doesn't. And the run around screamers will turn around and say, look it is all conservatives fault. Stupid party indeed.

Posted by: Golan Globus at August 20, 2012 11:03 AM (7vSU0)

177 When you obviously don't know a bird from a bee, you shouldn't be heard pontificating on the subject in public.

Unless you're a effin dope.

Posted by: ontherocks at August 20, 2012 11:03 AM (aZ6ew)

178 GOP: Snatching defeat from the jaws of Victory for 60 years.

"They don't call it the stupid party for nothing"
-- anon

Posted by: Hylozoic at August 20, 2012 11:03 AM (Vh0f5)

179 I read a comment on another site that said.. this guy was ahead by 11 points.. all he had to do was talk about puppies and he would have won. ugh..

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at August 20, 2012 11:03 AM (DGIjM)

180 Would we be having this conversation if this would have been said by Joe Biden?

Posted by: Steve Lockridge at August 20, 2012 11:03 AM (+ds8F)

181 Joe: I was characterizing the Dem and media take on this. Yes, I am aware that the bible does not specifically forbid masturbation.

You know they will go there anyway.

Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 11:04 AM (0aV2C)

182 59 You can't get pregnant if I withdraw, right?

Posted by: Todd Akin at August 20, 2012 02:45 PM (5Rurq)

I just going to put the head in, I promise.

No a promise is a promise.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at August 20, 2012 11:04 AM (3ZjAP)

183 sven I only posted the STL Today article for the fact that- only an hour ago Akin said he was still running. Ercik Erickson is the only well known twitter saying otherwise.

Posted by: tasker at August 20, 2012 11:04 AM (r2PLg)

184 166 >>>George Allen, the Republican Senate nominee in Virginia, also condemned Mr. AkinÂ’s comments. I gotta admit, this is pretty fucking hilarious right here. Posted by: Jeff B. at August 20, 2012 03:00 PM (Z2wcK) Nah just pisses me off. It's a war of attrition where the idiot VP says whatever he wants.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 20, 2012 11:04 AM (136wp)

185 So, did Akin jump up and offer this statement unbidden?

Posted by: Golan Globus at August 20, 2012 11:05 AM (7vSU0)

186 But isn't the point that the left is all like "abortion should be safe legal and rare" and "by rare we mean federally funded and and mandatory" and by in case of rape and incest, we mean "whatever you feel like." Akins was probably trying to say, I don't know how many of the 2M+ abortions a year are from rape or incest. maybe like 1

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 11:05 AM (QxSug)

187 We've just been tested and we were found wanting. The heat got turned up and we ran for cover. More tests in the days to come...

Posted by: soothsayer at August 20, 2012 11:05 AM (gtTDa)

188 yeah, it is funny and sad to see George Allen jump on the media GOP crucifixtion band wagon

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 11:05 AM (QxSug)

189

I kinda remember some politician running for office a few years back that said he didnt want his daughter burdened with a baby, just sayin.

Posted by: saltlick at August 20, 2012 11:06 AM (W2qJe)

190 Would we be having this conversation if this would have been said by Joe Biden?

The Horde? Possibly.

The MFM? Fuck no.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 20, 2012 11:06 AM (/kI1Q)

191 but I guess the solace is is that this is a top down, Romney authorized hit. He's like, sorry, eat a metaphorical bullet, because I ain't taking no flack for you in my quest to dethrone SCOAAMF.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 11:06 AM (QxSug)

192 @186

Dems can kill people and still have successful careers.

Strange but true.

Posted by: General Woundwort at August 20, 2012 11:06 AM (06lNq)

193 No of course I don't think that blacks are 3/5 a person. I could settle for 80%.... what is that... 4/5 right?

Posted by: Todd Akin at August 20, 2012 11:06 AM (jucos)

194 Hey, you know who declined to endorse Akin in the primaries?

Sarah Palin, that's who. It now has to be admitted by everyone that she nailed it by staying clear of Akin.

Perhaps this time we should pay attention to her pick. Get Akin out of the race and get Palin's preferred candidate Sarah Steelman in. Right now.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 20, 2012 11:06 AM (ymG7s)

195 188 Joe in DC,

I highlighted the free "understood you" the media gives the donks by refusing to grill them....

what can I say the media only wears red underwear....

I am in favor of blackmailing them.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:06 AM (LRFds)

196 WAR ON WOMEN, WAR ON WOMEN, WAR ON WOMEN!

Posted by: MSM at August 20, 2012 11:06 AM (136wp)

197
...what are they going to do with this?
Posted by: sven10077

This:

Romney and Ryan Team Up on Trail Amid Criticism on Abortion
New York Times

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 20, 2012 11:07 AM (kdS6q)

198 I kinda remember some politician running for office a few years back that said he didnt want his daughter burdened with a baby, just sayin. Posted by: saltlick at August 20, 2012 03:06 PM (W2qJe) And look how electing that idiot turned out?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 11:07 AM (05RcU)

199 RNC should have placed a call to him without alerting the media... Now if he doesnt withdrawl.. the RNC just wrote the DNC's ads. stupid party.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at August 20, 2012 11:07 AM (DGIjM)

200 If this is true, thank you Akin. Thank you very much.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 20, 2012 11:07 AM (csi6Y)

201 **What bothers me is the apparent magical thinking in claiming the female body has some kind of supernatural rape-detection system.*** but he talked to doctors? Why do liberals hate science?!!?!?!?!

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 11:07 AM (QxSug)

202

We've just been tested and we were found wanting.

Speak for yourself. I don't defend idiots.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2012 11:07 AM (YXmuI)

203 This is really going to fuck the sales of all those diet shakes. Who wants to get pregnant drinking a shake.

Posted by: Rosana Rosana at August 20, 2012 11:07 AM (3ZjAP)

204 191 saltlick,

and then not being asked "so as long as she lets it die in the closet if things go wrong it is cool right SCOAMF?"

it is not fair but it is what it is...

a is a

beat scoamf THEN we punish the press

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:08 AM (LRFds)

205 200. True. Libs have no principles - only goals.

Posted by: Meathammer at August 20, 2012 11:08 AM (W2qJe)

206

187 -

Apparently part of a sit-down interview, and in context he probably meant to distinguish between actual rapes vs. false claims. Poorly worded, but taken out of context to suggest he meant some rapes were not RAPE rape, ala Whooopie Goldberg.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 20, 2012 11:08 AM (TOk1P)

207 How hard is it to say "That's an important topic, but I want to talk about the economy right now"

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at August 20, 2012 11:08 AM (NzBQO)

208 blackmail, eh?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 11:08 AM (QxSug)

209

He belongs in jail.

JUST LIKE MY IMPERSONATOR AT #147!

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at August 20, 2012 11:09 AM (jCQ+I)

210 Stacy McCain is right, this is a just an Alinsky lynching.

Of course. His crime was NOT what he said per se, it was being dim enough to take the bait in the first place and talk about something everyone knows is a tar pit.

(R) US Senators should be sharp and on their toes because they all got a media bullseye on their chests 7x24. This guy clearly isn't. He's probably a nice guy, well intentioned, etc, but he ain't got the chops for the job.

Posted by: @PurpAv at August 20, 2012 11:09 AM (LK8M1)

211 199 LDC,

exactly....

*If* Akin quits I sincerely salute him and watch the media break their necks reversing course on it quick if they decide Choom is hurt by the GOP "agreeing with him too quickly"

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:09 AM (LRFds)

212 BCochran1981: Good luck with that.

We had a similar attempt to remove language supporting exceptions like rape and incest in the Wyoming Republican Party platform at the state convention this year.

The few absolutists fundies in the room tried to defend it, and were met with absolute silence. We then defeated their amendment, with their two votes being the only ones in favor.

The Republican Party is not always the Stupid Party.

Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 11:09 AM (0aV2C)

213 Claire McAskill is such a beautiful woman. I'll make sure she sits on all your death panels. Because I'm all cool like that.

Posted by: #OccupyResoluteDesk at August 20, 2012 11:10 AM (2W2bY)

214 Everybody who keeps focusing on the Â“legitimate rapeÂ” part of this stupid statement is missing the point. ItÂ’s the statement that womenÂ’s bodies reject rape pregnancies if itÂ’s legitimately rape thatÂ’s the issue. By his statement, if you get raped and you get pregnant, it wasnÂ’t rape-rape. ThatÂ’s something that could even bring Claire McCaskill over 50%. Even without the mediaÂ’s assistance.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 20, 2012 11:10 AM (QF8uk)

215 I only posted the STL Today article for the fact that- only an hour ago Akin said he was still running. I am not trying to poke the hornet nest, I'm not, but didn't Weiner say there was no way he was resigning pretty much right up to the time he resigned? In fact, don't most politicians say "nope, not gonna do it, wouldn't be prudent" about quitting/resigning right up to the point that they quit/resign? Basically the point I'm making is that I don't consider any statements at this time to be tea leaves, let alone worthy of being read.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at August 20, 2012 11:10 AM (VtjlW)

216
prediction.....

This squirrel is dead by the end of the weekend.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2012 11:10 AM (C8hzL)

217 I'm still mad at Mike Ditka. Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ at August 20, 2012 02:55 PM (/kI1Q) Me, too. Since December of 1986.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at August 20, 2012 11:10 AM (WcblH)

218 "The law makes the distinction between forcible rape, statutory rape, sexual assault, etc." That argument never goes well for the right. Rape rape or rape didn't sound good when Whoopie said it.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 20, 2012 11:10 AM (i330i)

219 I'm going to have to see and/or hear this withdrawal before I believe it. Rumors. They can kill momentum as quickly as facts.

Posted by: Soona at August 20, 2012 11:11 AM (7POpr)

220 >>That would be absolutely stupid, to pull out of the race.

No. Here's some stupid:

1. With an 11 point lead over your opponent, you chat-up some idiot on some stupid local TV show, rather than shutting your trap and coasting to the general.

2. In an election about Obama's/McCaskill's horrible record, you talk about the difference between real and fake rape and how abortion isn't really necessary for the truly raped because their body magically "deals with it."

3. You are unable to articulate a position you obviously hold dearly and have spent decades believing in a way other than in the most offensive terms.

4. You persist in running when you have forced the president/vp nominees of your party to immediately and publicly shun you.

5. You fail to withdraw even though the person who will replace you is just as conservative as you are and has as good of a chance or better at beating your opponent.

Posted by: angler at August 20, 2012 11:11 AM (SwjAj)

221

196 -

Have you considered the possibility that if she hadn't endorsed Steelman, she might have won?

Palin's track record of endorsements is spotty at best.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 20, 2012 11:11 AM (TOk1P)

222

Yes, there truly is a double standard. Since we all know that, let's go about dealing with the world that we live in, rather than the world in which we wished that we lived in. In that real world, this guy is TOAST. Let's get somebody who can win.

Posted by: buzz at August 20, 2012 11:11 AM (i27M5)

223 I can see the bumper stickers now: "NO RAPE IS ILLEGITIMATE! Obama 2012" Socons shovel ammo with both hands to the enemy.

Posted by: Jason M at August 20, 2012 11:11 AM (Be0fb)

224 fine, but he really believes that if woman is raped, her body will have a way "to shut that down" so she doesn't become preganant..What?? He is an idiot. He is a distraction. From what I understand from MO morons, he can be replaced. He should be.

Posted by: thunderb at August 20, 2012 11:11 AM (Dnbau)

225 208 187 - Apparently part of a sit-down interview, and in context he probably meant to distinguish between actual rapes vs. false claims. Poorly worded, but taken out of context to suggest he meant some rapes were not RAPE rape, ala Whooopie Goldberg. Posted by: BurtTC at August 20, 2012 03:08 PM (TOk1P) Nah, it's the "forcible rape" argument. They are looking for leverage for the "WAR ON WOMEN" argument. I say, any idiot that could be spun by one of these brain-dead journos does not deserve to run for any office.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 20, 2012 11:11 AM (136wp)

226 OT Looks like Romney is looking for people in the Boston MA area.

http://www.mittromney.com/employment

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 20, 2012 11:11 AM (cubpP)

227 The few absolutists fundies in the room tried to defend it, and were met with absolute silence. We then defeated their amendment, with their two votes being the only ones in favor.

The Republican Party is not always the Stupid Party.

Well then, congrats on defending murder.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 20, 2012 11:11 AM (da5Wo)

228 We had a similar attempt to remove language supporting exceptions like rape and incest in the Wyoming Republican Party platform at the state convention this year. The few absolutists fundies in the room tried to defend it, and were met with absolute silence. We then defeated their amendment, with their two votes being the only ones in favor. The Republican Party is not always the Stupid Party. Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 03:09 PM (0aV2C) But you know what's stupid? Believing those fundy's believe "every sperm is sacred".

Posted by: joe at August 20, 2012 11:11 AM (i3OIF)

229 How hard is it to say "That's an important topic, but I want to talk about the economy right now" Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at August 20, 2012 03:08 PM (NzBQO) ------------------------------------------------------- This^ times 1000. Who gives a shit what some middle aged politician thinks about rape and abortion. It is not like the Senate is going to hold a vote to overturn it in the next session.

Posted by: Todd Akin at August 20, 2012 11:11 AM (jucos)

230 OK, so here's what I miss by going away for a week. Did Akin say this idiocy on (I can barely say it) Huckabee's show? Meaning that Huck asked the question in the first place?

Posted by: docj at August 20, 2012 11:11 AM (A5uiv)

231 Dana Loesch is saying he is still in.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at August 20, 2012 11:11 AM (DGIjM)

232

When Akin drops out, the GOP needs an attack dog that is assured national coverage and who has Romney/Ryan deniability to change the meme.

Sarah Palin should come out and say:

I agree with Representative Akin's decision to leave the race. The republican party has always taken the subject of rape very seriously, from this incident to Juanita Broddrick. Conservatives will always side with the victim of this horrible crime.

Posted by: jwest at August 20, 2012 11:12 AM (ZDsRL)

233 2. In an election about Obama's/McCaskill's horrible record, you talk about the difference between real and fake rape and how abortion isn't really necessary for the truly raped because their body magically "deals with it." Exactly.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 20, 2012 11:12 AM (QF8uk)

234 Akin just tweeted out a fundraising request

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at August 20, 2012 11:12 AM (DGIjM)

235 "By his statement, if you get raped and you get pregnant, it wasnÂ’t rape-rape." Yup, and if she weighs less than a duck, burn her.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 20, 2012 11:12 AM (i330i)

236 Christine O'Donnell issued a press release which was picked up by ABC News, Yahoo News, DailyKos, etc., announcing"Christine O'Donnell will behosting an "Occupy vs. Tea Party" debate during her Troublemaker Fest at Channelside Cinemas, a short block away from the Republican National Convention being held that same week. Adding insult to injury, O'Donnell has reportedly entered into an agreement with Al Gore's Current TV to produce the vehicle. Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/08/christ ine_odonnell_has_some_explaining_to_do.html#ixzz247CtzKsd What Christine is doing with the money donated to her.

Posted by: tasker at August 20, 2012 11:13 AM (r2PLg)

237 But you know what's stupid? Believing those fundy's believe "every sperm is sacred". Posted by: joe at August 20, 2012 03:11 PM (i3OIF) Ya know, it's not only the Fundies saying that. So, does Monty Python. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8 So put that in your underwear drawer and wear it...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 20, 2012 11:13 AM (136wp)

238

Maybe an old fool like this guy can insist that young women who've been "Legitimately" (?) raped should be forced to carry the reminder of their assault to term, and then suffer through the pain of childbirth, but young female voters are NOT going to put up with this. He needs to go now and be replaced by an attractive woman who can speak to the issue.

Furthermore this guy is probably even stupider than Biden and our side won't get the over-easy treatment Biden gets. From now till November this idiot will be flapping his gums and keeping Romney/Ryan from running a disciplined campaign. He's not a team player, he's too stupid to realize he's a member of a team.

Posted by: Boots at August 20, 2012 11:14 AM (neKzn)

239 Reminded of this. The Fred.

http://tinyurl.com/9qop9ok

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at August 20, 2012 11:14 AM (3ZjAP)

240 231 BCochran,

congrats on trying to get communists elected then champ....calling people who get momentum on issues and gradual change....I want less babies killed so one day God willing we have none....in your zeal to alienate any conflicted voter you hand the keys to Margaret Sanger's godkids.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:14 AM (LRFds)

241 Oh lord...

@ToddAkin: I am in this race to win. We need a conservative Senate. Help me defeat Claire by donating:

Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 20, 2012 11:14 AM (pLTLS)

242 "That's an important topic, but I want to talk about the economy right now." He already tried that. Dems won't have it.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 20, 2012 11:14 AM (i330i)

243 OK, so here's what I miss by going away for a week. btw, sorry for snapping at you, I didn't notice that you were not one of the people bringing it up on every thread. Sorry about that.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at August 20, 2012 11:14 AM (VtjlW)

244 There's a report that McCaskill confederates contributed significant money to Akin, obviously in the belief that he would be easier to beat than his two primary opponents.

http://tinyurl.com/8hbe689

In light of events, she may have been right.

To the extent that dropping Akin will increase the odds that the seat will be taken by the GOP, I have no problem with dumping him. I have no interest beyond winning back the Senate at this point.

Posted by: Cicero at August 20, 2012 11:14 AM (QKKT0)

245 Here is the way Politico "reports:" "Mitt Romney either lied in federal filings that show he worked at Bain Capital through 2002 and could be guilty of a felony, or has lied to the American people in saying he left the company in 1999, . . . " This was the opener of an article whose headline says about the same. Now, to be fair, the headline has at the end of it, after a colon: says Obama campaign. And so does the first sentence, way at the end after they first repeat the whole fucking lie. It's how they roll.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at August 20, 2012 11:15 AM (PH+2B)

246

217 Everybody who keeps focusing on the Â“legitimate rapeÂ” part of this stupid statement is missing the point. ItÂ’s the statement that womenÂ’s bodies reject rape pregnancies if itÂ’s legitimately rape thatÂ’s the issue. By his statement, if you get raped and you get pregnant, it wasnÂ’t rape-rape.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 20, 2012 03:10 PM (QF8uk)

----------

^^^This!^^^

It's like Akin knows of some super secret ability of the female physiology that the rest of us are not privy to.

Posted by: wheatie at August 20, 2012 11:15 AM (mtRB0)

247 Joe and BCochran1981:

Gratz on dying alone on that fundamentalist hill. If you can get the folks in a state as red as Wyoming to agree with you, then maybe you really are alone on this.

The adults are going to win this November and get the democrat socialists out of power.

You can thank us or not as you see fit.

Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 11:15 AM (0aV2C)

248 whew, finally Annie C weighs in so I can figure out how to feel about this. http://t.co/DQIPFV2h "Mr. Akin, 65, won the Senate Republican primary this month with strong support from MissouriÂ’s religious conservatives. But he was also helped by Ms. McCaskill, whose campaign spent nearly $2 million on ads portraying Mr. Akin as ultraconservative. It was a clear attempt to bolster his candidacy among more conservative primary voters while gambling that the independents and moderate Republicans needed to win the election would be turned off by his views on social issues." I don't know...

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 11:15 AM (QxSug)

249

>>>>He needs to go now and be replaced by an attractive woman who can speak to the issue.

He need to be replaced by anyone who knows how to STFU.

Posted by: Zombie Margaret Thatcher at August 20, 2012 11:15 AM (VndSC)

250 What a coward! This makes me so damned mad that I'm going to spit in everyone's earpiece...again> Fucking bastards are trying to steal the election plain and simple

Posted by: Claire McCankles at August 20, 2012 11:15 AM (4eNxd)

251 congrats on trying to get communists elected then champ....calling people who get momentum on issues and gradual change....I want less babies killed so one day God willing we have none....in your zeal to alienate any conflicted voter you hand the keys to Margaret Sanger's godkids. Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 03:14 PM (LRFds) You know how they get elected? By taking a dump on socon voters.

Posted by: joe at August 20, 2012 11:15 AM (i3OIF)

252 So Todd Akin was raped and aborted to (dis)prove his point?

Posted by: Fritz at August 20, 2012 11:15 AM (/ZZCn)

253 "I think for Washington party insiders to come in and try to invalidate the votes of Missourians would be radical," McCaskill said in a phone interview with The Huffington Post. "I think that would be a very radical thing to have happen, and I can't imagine how the Republican primary voters would think about that in Missouri." "I think there would be a significant backlash," she added. "I'm not sure that would have a good ending for the Republican Party." http://tinyurl.com/8rac367 As I said in the other thread, she really has him where she wants him, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. someone posted that rove was giving pushing for his resignation and if rove succeeds how will that play out in their state? Maybe the republicans should do something out of the box and stand behind the guy and allow him to explain himself to his fellow Missourians?

Posted by: cynder ella at August 20, 2012 11:15 AM (oZfic)

254 All this unsourced reporting from some people on their twitters just keeps the story alive and gets Republicans divided. Again Obama's best hope is for the GOP to defeat itself. And/or for the GOP voters turn out to be depressed. Again to win Colorado Romney has to win- over 55% of the white vote. Many states might be within the margin of theft.

Posted by: tasker at August 20, 2012 11:15 AM (r2PLg)

255 I'm glad you said that, pep, because you reminded me of another point I wanted to make. Nobody said you/we had to defend Akin. But we sure as shit didn't have to condemn Akin. We are not savvy enough or shrewd enough to know when to zip our lips. We panicked. We reacted. And now instead of the Left/Media shrieking alone about abortion, we helped legitimize the Left's position. All we had to do was...nothing.

Posted by: soothsayer at August 20, 2012 11:15 AM (x8mAx)

256

If he resigns, here are the positives:

1. The GOP should still win over McCaskill.

2. Mitt can get over this controversy quickly.

3. Mitt can show that he is willing to "stand up" to the social conservative part of the party, without offending the so cons. At least I hope that is the case. No so con should be upset with this. It was an incredible and stupid gaffe.

4. Kind of cover's up the stupid skinny-dipping controversy.

5. Creates a great contrast with Biden.

I really see no downside to his resigning.

Posted by: SH at August 20, 2012 11:15 AM (gmeXX)

257 @223

CUT. JIB. NEWSLETTER

Posted by: General Woundwort at August 20, 2012 11:16 AM (06lNq)

258 So Akin just tweeted a fundraising appeal. Screw him. Can a Republican still file to run third party in MO?

Posted by: Y-not at August 20, 2012 11:16 AM (5H6zj)

259 @246 Not to worry, AtC - I was starting to get a little nervous about being on the business end of your Stompy Boots, though. #wink

Posted by: docj at August 20, 2012 11:16 AM (A5uiv)

260 "True. Libs have no principles - only goals."

Apparently, this is true for us too...

Posted by: catman at August 20, 2012 11:16 AM (YKUmW)

261 Gee, O'Donnell isn't showing proper respect to the GOP that pissed on her. How ungrateful that she doesn't understand.

Posted by: ejo at August 20, 2012 11:16 AM (pYluB)

262 Totally OT, Zombie has located some of our half-billion wasted "green energy" dollars that Obama handed out to his fundraiser at Solyndra.

http://is.gd/WLOiBj

And the "art" sucks. He should have used steel instead of plywood.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 20, 2012 11:16 AM (/kI1Q)

263 Joe: Yea, we lost a fraction of one percent in Wyoming.

Maybe you should form your own Christian Justice Party?

Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 11:16 AM (0aV2C)

264 Everyone is nuts. If this is all it takes to force one to drop out, the bar will be so low that is President Romney smiles wrong at someone the calls for him to be impeached will be loud and constant. Which they will be already.

Right out of Alinsky, make your opposition live up to imposable standards and then destroy them when they don't.

Posted by: TJexcite at August 20, 2012 11:16 AM (PNDql)

265 Abortion discussions, even amongst conservatives, can get awful messy. Best to keep your eye on the ball: Retaking the Senate and the White House. I'm against anything that muddies those waters.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 11:16 AM (05RcU)

266 Sure sure, the clucking hen league is upset over their misinterpretation of what the guy said, but is this really going to cost Akins the election? I guess it matters not since Mitt put the kaibosh on him but still, if you think the election is about rape, then you need new opinion sources.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 11:17 AM (QxSug)

267 Gratz on dying alone on that fundamentalist hill. If you can get the folks in a state as red as Wyoming to agree with you, then maybe you really are alone on this. The adults are going to win this November and get the democrat socialists out of power. You can thank us or not as you see fit. Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 03:15 PM (0aV2C) He was voting Romney, your constant bashing of him isn't going to encourage him to keep going to the polls.

Posted by: joe at August 20, 2012 11:17 AM (i3OIF)

268 "By his statement, if you get raped and you get pregnant, it wasnÂ’t rape-rape."
That's a pile of reasty crap, he said no such thing. He said that a woman's body CAN deal with violent sexual assuault by miscarriage, not that it always does, and he said nothing about a rape not actually being rape if that doesn't happen.
Good lord people, the left needs this guy destroyed to have that seat in the Senate and you're buying into every idiotic thing they spew. I cannot understand why the right gets into a fist fight over who will shoot their own side first.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 11:17 AM (r4wIV)

269 Because feeding a candidate to the MSM will stop them slamming the whole party for his sloppy remarks?

Posted by: DaveA at August 20, 2012 11:17 AM (DVJEd)

270 @250 +1

Posted by: Y-not at August 20, 2012 11:17 AM (5H6zj)

271 Right out of Alinsky, make your opposition live up to imposable standards and then destroy them when they don't. Posted by: TJexcite at August 20, 2012 03:16 PM (PNDql) Impossible standards? Not to say something numbingly stupid?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 11:17 AM (05RcU)

272 Joe: Yea, we lost a fraction of one percent in Wyoming. Maybe you should form your own Christian Justice Party? Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 03:16 PM (0aV2C) Maybe you should learn to count and realize we need to pick up additional Senate seats to Missouri.

Posted by: joe at August 20, 2012 11:18 AM (i3OIF)

273 WTF is this guy talking about Wyoming? What's going on in Missouri? I mean, sure sure, it sounds stupid, but, argh... Fine, maybe we can get Sandra Fluke to take his place on the ballot to ensure that we get the Mo seat.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 11:19 AM (QxSug)

274 Its not like the Missouri GOP is any less RINO mainstream than any other state guys. They hated this guy to start with and are glad to cut his throat.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 11:19 AM (r4wIV)

275 254 Joe,

YOU ARE OUTNUMBERED.

DO THE GODDAMNED MATH AND DEAL

If the RINOs swing your way their voters bolt.

I am sorry that you cannot take sincere desire on almost all our caucus' members wanting at a minimum late term abortion banned unless a literal death risk is present for both parties.

I want it gone period, but I do not feel it is my place to bend the GOP to me EVERY policy whim.

Welcome to political reality

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:19 AM (LRFds)

276

Oh lord...

@ToddAkin: I am in this race to win. We need a conservative Senate. Help me defeat Claire by donating:

A Legitimate Fund Drive?

Posted by: garrett at August 20, 2012 11:19 AM (okfoK)

277 People stop wetting your pants, Missourians hate Claire for her Obamacare vote. Akin will step down, likely Steelman will take his place and that will be it. Missouri GOP has until September 29th to get Akin to step down and replace him, I would say this is more of an annoyance then a reason to despair.

Posted by: Drew in MO at August 20, 2012 11:19 AM (MkgGw)

278 Obama: Use of chemical weapons by Assad would be 'red line' By REUTERS08/20/2012 21:22US president says he has not ordered US military engagement in Syria "at this point," but adds: "If we see a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around, or being utilized, that would change my calculus." But Iran barraling full speed ahead to get Nukes is OK?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 11:20 AM (05RcU)

279 the point was, how many fucking abortions are from rape-rape?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 11:20 AM (QxSug)

280
prediction.....
This squirrel is dead by the end of the weekend.

Posted by: fixerupper

The Democrats still run against Reagan. Heck, they still bring up Slavery 150 years on.

Whether he's gone or not, the Dems will bring this up at every possible opportunity as a female wedge issue.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 20, 2012 11:20 AM (kdS6q)

281 The Democrats are committing suicide, and people want to focus on how we can destroy one of our own people? What is wrong with some of you? Its like you don't even WANT to win.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 11:21 AM (r4wIV)

282 276 NGU,

on the national level that every member of the GOP is beholden to every dumb statement uttered by any GOP member....

I get the anger but yeah Bob Akin knew the reality but had to get cute.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:21 AM (LRFds)

283 waves my spoon?

Posted by: willow at August 20, 2012 11:21 AM (TomZ9)

284 *If* you replace Akin you have a to find a candidates that will unite these factions--we all know what they are. I think you go with Matt Blunt--you don't reward the dividers. He has the experience, he is an ex Navy officer and perhaps most importantly- he's beaten McCaskill before. I'm pretty sure Team McCaskill would keel over at the prospect of that race.

Posted by: tasker at August 20, 2012 11:21 AM (r2PLg)

285 Good lord people, the left needs this guy destroyed to have that seat in the Senate and you're buying into every idiotic thing they spew. I cannot understand why the right gets into a fist fight over who will shoot their own side first.

Martyrdom can be psychologically satisfying.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 20, 2012 11:21 AM (/kI1Q)

286

236 -

Ok, nevermind. People this morning were suggesting he was talking about real vs. false rape claims. What I just read on the Fox news site (the closest to unbiased I could find) had him talking about doctors saying the body shuts it off or whatever.

Sorry Akin, you're an idiot. You gots to go.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 20, 2012 11:21 AM (TOk1P)

287 "There's a report that McCaskill confederates contributed significant money to Akin, obviously in the belief that he would be easier to beat than his two primary opponents." The Obama administration probably sent him money and will continue to do so to keep him in the race. It will not be conviction that keeps him in the race, either, because he's already said he didn't mean it, will sorry be enough, etc? He wants that senate seat, and someone is probably paying him.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 20, 2012 11:21 AM (i330i)

288 If I thought it was a mangled misstatement I'd just shake my head and hope he cleans up his routine. Since I think he really somehow believes that pregnancy cannot result from violent rape I have to dismiss him as an abject idiot. He can still run if he wants, but he likely won't win. If he does win, he'll be more trouble than he's worth.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 20, 2012 11:21 AM (C3KwS)

289 Remember all the good will we got for driving Trent Lott from office?

Yeah. Me neither.

Fuck that.

If we're going to drive our own from office, let it be on our terms. Not because of the phony outrage of the perpetually outraged.

You wanna know why the Dems act like they deserve to be in office and the Rep act like they got a temporary pass and walk on eggshells? Because of this shit. Our own side is too damned full of chickenshits who jump everytime the left says "boo."

Posted by: RoyalOil at August 20, 2012 11:21 AM (imtbm)

290 I believe it was an interview with Charles Jaco, who is a former CNN reporter who has now falled to working at the local Fox station in St. Louis. Bet he gets higher ratings now. sven, hand over the caps peaceably and no one will get hurt. Your apostrophe rights are currently under close review.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at August 20, 2012 11:21 AM (VtjlW)

291 Christopher Taylor: Because the religious fanatics would support Joe Stalin if he made people obey the bible at gunpoint.

A quote from Barry Goldwater:

On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.
I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 11:21 AM (0aV2C)

292 286 CT,

The democrats have been desperately laying the ground for the GOP to walk into a landmine for months....

"war on women" ring a bell?

and Akin hopped on a pogo stick and played into "operation shiny objects"

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:22 AM (LRFds)

293 GO BACK TO THE COWBOYS!

Posted by: reason at August 20, 2012 11:22 AM (+hPIb)

294 "Red line" for the Obama administration is giving Assad a set of Lost DVDs in PAL format.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 20, 2012 11:22 AM (cubpP)

295 "he's beaten McCaskill before" Did he beat her with crackpot science?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 20, 2012 11:22 AM (i330i)

296 I am just saying, "something happen in that house". Nancy Graces knows da.

Why dat bitch not going for my bail, this prison cell sucks(like me).

Posted by: Crystal Gayle Mangum at August 20, 2012 11:22 AM (3ZjAP)

297 Does anyone have a link to the transcript of his original interview? The quotes I've read from it do not mention miscarriage. Here's the video clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdisTOKom5I&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: Y-not at August 20, 2012 11:22 AM (5H6zj)

298 "Whether he's gone or not, the Dems will bring this up at every possible opportunity as a female wedge issue."
And what's worse is so many on the right seem willing to line up and nod like bobbleheads along with them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 11:22 AM (r4wIV)

299 The Obama administration probably sent him money and will continue to do so to keep him in the race. It will not be conviction that keeps him in the race, either, because he's already said he didn't mean it, will sorry be enough, etc? He wants that senate seat, and someone is probably paying him. Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 20, 2012 03:21 PM (i330i) Where did you think the $2b billion dollars are going?

Posted by: Jon Corzine at August 20, 2012 11:22 AM (136wp)

300 YOU ARE OUTNUMBERED. DO THE GODDAMNED MATH AND DEAL If the RINOs swing your way their voters bolt. I am sorry that you cannot take sincere desire on almost all our caucus' members wanting at a minimum late term abortion banned unless a literal death risk is present for both parties. I want it gone period, but I do not feel it is my place to bend the GOP to me EVERY policy whim. Welcome to political reality Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 03:19 PM (LRFds) You aren't even reading my posts. WE NEED WHITE COLLAR VOTERS. WE NEED CATHOLICS WE NEED PROTESTANT LEANING GOP VOTERS WHO IN THE PAST FEELS LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN THE RED HEADED STEP CHILD OF THE GOP. We need these voters for Florida, Montana, Virginia, etc to take the Senate. CALLING THEM POOPYHEADS AND FUNDIES DOESN'T HELP ME CONVINCE THEM TO COME TO THE POLLS!!!

Posted by: joe at August 20, 2012 11:22 AM (i3OIF)

301 it is not about MO to some degree, it is about the MSM using this to attack pubs and R and R. Its a shiney distraction that he handed them, gif wrapped, like a big dummy.

Posted by: thunderb at August 20, 2012 11:22 AM (Dnbau)

302 With regards to the previous post, I will say it again: 40 states. CAC isn't the only one who has been thinking Wisconsin is in play. Many of us have. Since the unions blew their wad and failed at the recall, and Paul Ryan got the VP nod, I actually think Wisconsin goes red this time.

Posted by: Truman North, iPhone reprobate at August 20, 2012 11:22 AM (V3hr1)

303 While I definitely want this clown to drop out and want to take the seat from McCaskill, I don't understand why we have such a thin margin of error in the upcoming senate election when:

a) the democrats have a lot more seats to defend
b) the general electoral tide is working very much against them (e.g., incumbent democratic senator running for re-election has to defend multiple votes to use Medicare as an Obamacare piggybank per Ryan's words).

In other words, I don't understand why we are not on track to a more comfortable majority in the Senate.

Posted by: thirteen28 at August 20, 2012 11:22 AM (AbmsP)

304

85 Overblown?

You show me how to successfully parse rape?

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I simply went full Biden. What's the B.F.D??

Posted by: Todd Akin at August 20, 2012 11:23 AM (+7Usq)

305 "Because the religious fanatics would support Joe Stalin if he made people obey the bible at gunpoint."
Are you familiar with the terms 'straw man' and 'non sequitur' sir?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 11:23 AM (r4wIV)

306 the point was, how many fucking abortions are from rape-rape?

Before or after Plan B became as easily obtainable as M&Ms?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 20, 2012 11:23 AM (/kI1Q)

307 @282 Good to hear that from a Missourian!

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at August 20, 2012 11:23 AM (DGIjM)

308 295 AtC,

sure thing....do me a solid okay?

Can you intone our good friends who insist that doing what is politically correct does not mean you do not value unborn life?

Thanks in advance.

sven

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:23 AM (LRFds)

309 someone said in an earlier thread they didn't think this remark would matter in the grand scheme of things for the national election. i disagree. now obviously yes the economy is officially the #1 issue, and will probably be on the election exit polls, but i think for a decent amount of people their attachment to their political party has more to do with a cultural identity. think ultra-wealthy liberals who don't like the GOP cuz they're meanies or whatever, the flipside of Thomas Frank's oversimplified "What's the Matter with Kansas" argument. Obama's seems to be intent on making this election a sort of reverse 2004, having his surrogates say over and over that the GOP is the medieval war on womynz/teh gheys party and hoping that he gets enough hardcore libs to turn out.

Posted by: JParker at August 20, 2012 11:23 AM (8HhF2)

310 >>>The Republican Party is not always the Stupid Party.

I have often thought that crimes by a third party morally excuse killing the innocent as well. I'm glad folks like you in the party of smart have embraced that sound logic.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular With Full Stomping Power! at August 20, 2012 11:23 AM (0q2P7)

311 Good for Mr. Akin, he's doing the right thing here.

Posted by: Peaches at August 20, 2012 11:23 AM (VISKy)

312 Gee, O'Donnell isn't showing proper respect to the GOP that pissed on her. How ungrateful that she doesn't understand. Posted by: ejo at August 20, 2012 03:16 PM (pYluB) ************* Really? You sent her cash so she could gunk up the GOP convention and do TV with Al Gore? Why not fight Obama?

Posted by: tasker at August 20, 2012 11:23 AM (r2PLg)

313

Whatcha' bet only 3-5% of the voting public even knows or cares about this. As far as MO politics is concerned, isn't this kind of par for the course? Seems like they've already made up their minds about voting out McCaskill.

It's kind of the way McCaskill was voted for senate in the first place. She was a dumb scrunt and everyone in MO knew it, but they didn't want a repub.

Posted by: Soona at August 20, 2012 11:24 AM (7POpr)

314 *sigh*

M ampersand Ms. The candy-coated crappy-chocolate candies with the animated mascots.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 20, 2012 11:24 AM (/kI1Q)

315 >>So Akin just tweeted a fundraising appeal.

I'm tempted to think this might be a temperature gauging appeal - see what response he gets.

On the other hand, I tried to email his campaign via his campaign website, and was advised that the campaign is "not currently accepting emails."

I tried his emailing his congressional website, but was rejected because I don't live in his district.

Looks as if he isn't in the mood for feedback.

Posted by: angler at August 20, 2012 11:24 AM (SwjAj)

316 sven and kris,

Keep making excuses and exceptions for murder. No prob. I'm happy right where I'm at.

Btw, how do moderate repubs do in elections by the way?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 20, 2012 11:24 AM (da5Wo)

317 I think Michelle Malkin's column on this was very good. She also cites a study of rape-related pregnancies -- rate being 5%. http://michellemalkin.com/2012/08/20/the-todd-akin-mess/

Posted by: Y-not at August 20, 2012 11:24 AM (5H6zj)

318

Only caps lock can save us.

Posted by: garrett at August 20, 2012 11:25 AM (okfoK)

319 OT: "Obama 'cancelled missions to kill bin Laden THREE TIMES"

Link in name.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 20, 2012 11:25 AM (oX7vY)

320 "Whatcha' bet only 3-5% of the voting public even knows or cares about this."
Yeah that's pretty much how it is. It will matter some in Missouri, and sadly it will hurt the GOP there, but I don't know if it will matter enough to get McCaskill in there again or not. Certainly any woman dumb enough to vote for her over a Republican on this topic probably should be kept away from sharp objects for her own good.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 11:25 AM (r4wIV)

321 joe if they are anti abortion they aren;t going to vote for McCaskill anyway, are they?

Posted by: thunderb at August 20, 2012 11:26 AM (Dnbau)

322 Study cited by Malkin (in Am Journal of Obstetrics and Gyn): RESULTS: The national rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (aged 12 to 45); among adult women an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year. Among 34 cases of rape-related pregnancy, the majority occurred among adolescents and resulted from assault by a known, often related perpetrator. Only 11.7% of these victims received immediate medical attention after the assault, and 47.1% received no medical attention related to the rape. A total 32.4% of these victims did not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester; 32.2% opted to keep the infant whereas 50% underwent abortion and 5.9% placed the infant for adoption; an additional 11.8% had spontaneous abortion.

Posted by: Y-not at August 20, 2012 11:26 AM (5H6zj)

323 323 Only caps lock can save us. Posted by: garrett at August 20, 2012 03:25 PM (okfoK) _________________ Actually Biden is going to have to swing for the bleachers.

Posted by: tasker at August 20, 2012 11:26 AM (r2PLg)

324 "I think Michelle Malkin's column on this was very good. She also cites a study of rape-related pregnancies -- rate being 5%. "
No no don't you understand, it takes some kind of incomprehensible magic for a woman to ever not be pregnant when she's raped!!!!1!1!! The Democrats told me so!!!!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 11:26 AM (r4wIV)

325 In other words, I don't understand why we are not on track to a more comfortable majority in the Senate. We donÂ’t have a majority in the Senate now. Only about 33 senators are up for re-election; a lot of them will be in safe states. (See link in name for all senators up for re-election this year.)

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 20, 2012 11:26 AM (QF8uk)

326 OT: "Obama 'cancelled missions to kill bin Laden THREE TIMES"Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 20, 2012 03:25 PM (oX7vY)

Yup, we know. It was Valerie's time of the month. It would have been haram

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 20, 2012 11:26 AM (sbV1u)

327 I nominate 223 for threadwinner. Wish he lived in MO.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 20, 2012 11:27 AM (i330i)

328 I have often thought that crimes by a third party morally excuse killing the innocent as well. I'm glad folks like you in the party of smart have embraced that sound logic.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular With Full Stomping Power! at August 20, 2012 03:23 PM (0q2P7)

It gets even better. There was someone earlier today claiming that he was OK with abortion because while it was murder, infanticide isn't all that uncommon elsewhere and it was our political enemies that were killing their own children.

Posted by: Grey Fox at August 20, 2012 11:27 AM (69IdK)

329 someone quoted Barry Goldwater upthread...you know a not insignificant theme in his campaign was moral degradation of American society. not in a "theocratic" way, just observational. of course now people want to use the late-life social libertarian Goldwater as the sum of all his beliefs. how conveeeeenient.

Posted by: JParker at August 20, 2012 11:27 AM (8HhF2)

330 Before or after Plan B became as easily obtainable as MMs?

Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ at August 20, 2012 03:23 PM (/kI1Q)

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I love M&M's.............except for the brown ones.

Posted by: Not an Artist at August 20, 2012 11:27 AM (uRumV)

331 This circular firing squad is even more inane than the primary fighting. He better resign. Being an ultra-bone head is not how Roe v Wade is going to vet overturned.

Posted by: Hobojerky at August 20, 2012 11:28 AM (/yRTM)

332 Christopher Taylor: That was Hyperbole, not a strawman argument.

I really do think that some of our supposed friends really don't care about anything other than their religion. So far the only argument I have seen is Joe telling us we will all lose if we don't cater to his beliefs.

And the Goldwater quote was entirely on target, and not a non sequitur, no matter how much you would want it to be.

Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 11:28 AM (0aV2C)

333 joe if they are anti abortion they aren;t going to vote for McCaskill anyway, are they? Posted by: thunderb at August 20, 2012 03:26 PM (Dnbau) Right, but they can choose to stay home if people make fun of them. We need them out and against Obama and for GOP candidates everywhere. I get that not having a rape exception is politically suicidal right now. But we need all hands on deck.

Posted by: joe at August 20, 2012 11:28 AM (i3OIF)

334 305 Joe,

Catholics backed Obama. You explain to me in detail how alienating New England will gain us the Catholic pro-life vote. I am a lapsed catholic, allow me to introduce my "good Catholic" friends Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, etc etc etc

1)there is no way to win the abortion issue in one election unless there was a seismic shift in public opinion that would be obvious....it is sadly not there.

2)the SCotUS has knocked down any attempt to ban it outright, so we must elect enough GOP to take a bite from the apple and win.

If Akin was the deciding vote on the 60th Senator spot in a caucus of total unity, we had the house on board, and the Presidential candidate was 10 points ahead it is a good gamble...

instead we risk charging up Obama's campus base with women to no gain on the issue anyway.

"no"

sorry

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:28 AM (LRFds)

335 O/T - I keep going back to Drudge just to get a glimpse of the smug-ass picture of Barky. It's priceless.

Posted by: Roy at August 20, 2012 11:28 AM (VndSC)

336 A total 32.4% of these victims did not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester

Huh.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 20, 2012 11:28 AM (/kI1Q)

337 337 HJ,

+1

He is ensuring the baby butchers have a better chance of winning...not how I fight abortion.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:29 AM (LRFds)

338 an article that always's stuck with me on the subject of Goldwater the "live and let live" Republican http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/218595/fools-goldwater/jonah-goldberg what a theocrat.

Posted by: JParker at August 20, 2012 11:29 AM (8HhF2)

339 "It gets even better. There was someone earlier today claiming that he was OK with abortion because while it was murder, infanticide isn't all that uncommon elsewhere and it was our political enemies that were killing their own children."
I think he was trying to make the argument that it was more politically feasible to go from that angle rather than moral or ethical ones, not that he agreed with it in principle.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 11:29 AM (r4wIV)

340 Hannity is having Akin on on the bottom of the hour.

Posted by: cynder ella at August 20, 2012 11:29 AM (oZfic)

341 That's too bad. I liked that Clay Akin kid. He totally should have won American Idol.

Posted by: teh voters at August 20, 2012 11:29 AM (SkyIE)

342 Over at American Thinker: Bizarre MSNBC Attack on Ryan - He's TOO in shape!

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at August 20, 2012 11:30 AM (DGIjM)

343 335 someone quoted Barry Goldwater upthread...you know a not insignificant theme in his campaign was moral degradation of American society. not in a "theocratic" way, just observational. of course now people want to use the late-life social libertarian Goldwater as the sum of all his beliefs. how conveeeeenient. Posted by: JParker at August 20, 2012 03:27 PM (8HhF2) Good point. He did become pretty socially liberal towards the end of his career though.

Posted by: joe at August 20, 2012 11:30 AM (i3OIF)

344

If we're going to drive our own from office, let it be on our terms. Not because of the phony outrage of the perpetually outraged.

Precisely. I want him gone because he's a fool.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2012 11:30 AM (YXmuI)

345 >>>congrats on trying to get communists elected then champ....in your zeal to alienate any conflicted voter you hand the keys to Margaret Sanger's godkids.

Yeah, so you disagree, and your opinion won the day. Doesn't mean you have to call those people less willing to compromise on the killing of innocents "stupid"

God forbid *anyone* have some inflexibility over that issue.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular With Full Stomping Power! at August 20, 2012 11:30 AM (0q2P7)

346 Nobody said you/we had to defend Akin.

But we sure as shit didn't have to condemn Akin.

We are not savvy enough or shrewd enough to know when to zip our lips.

We panicked. We reacted. And now instead of the Left/Media shrieking alone about abortion, we helped legitimize the Left's position.

All we had to do was...nothing.

Posted by: soothsayer at August 20, 2012 03:15 PM (x8mAx)

Um you *do* know that there's a reality outside of political blogs and political geeks like us, right?

Even if every single conservative pundit and GOP official took an oath of silence on this issue, I bet you'd still see a precipitous drop in Akin's support within 48 hours. Especially among swing voters we're counting on to reject McCaskill.

To think that our refusing to acknowledge a real public fuckup will somehow make it go away is sheer magical thinking.

Posted by: Mætenloch at August 20, 2012 11:30 AM (pAlYe)

347

There is a good, intellecutual and honest argument, albeit one held in the minority, for taking the position that abortion should be illegal in all cases including rape. But because that argument is such a minority one, it must be made with great care. Akin clumsily made it and further waded into Bachman territory by making a stupid claim of bodily reaction to go with it. Invoking the term "legitimate rape" is never going to allow you to win that argument. There is a long way to go in moving the football in the abortion battle, winning that argument strikes me as the extra point, we need to score the touchdown first.

Posted by: SH at August 20, 2012 11:30 AM (gmeXX)

348 Let this be a lesson, if a Republican running in a primary is against a rape exception for abortion, you don't nominate them. Period.

It's just a matter of time before they say something stupid, voters figure it out and send them packing.

You'll have to explain to me how a "pure" pro-lifer like Akin losing to Clair McCaskill is a win for the pro-life cause.

Do you think this whole episode helped or hurt the pro-life movement?

Posted by: Brady at August 20, 2012 11:31 AM (0kf1G)

349 Remember all the good will we got for driving Trent Lott from office?

Yeah. Me neither.

Fuck that.

If we're going to drive our own from office, let it be on our terms. Not because of the phony outrage of the perpetually outraged.

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Amen.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 11:31 AM (P6QsQ)

350 No no don't you understand, it takes some kind of incomprehensible magic for a woman to ever not be pregnant when she's raped!!!!1!1!! The Democrats told me so!!!! ---- I think a 5% pregnancy rate given how few days of a woman's cycle she's actually fertile is pretty high. Also, note the spontaneous abortion rate is not that dramatic.

Posted by: Y-not at August 20, 2012 11:31 AM (5H6zj)

351 321 BCochran,

Keep working to get Barack Closet Babies Obama wiggle room from the best attack we have....

no seriously I am certain when he has more :wiggle room" he will end abortion with his EO pen.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:31 AM (LRFds)

352

He. Won't. Go. Away.

I think I will go have a primal scream now.

Posted by: Janetoo at August 20, 2012 11:31 AM (IgUON)

353

".... it won't be Sarah Steelman, so please stop."

The people who will pick the candidate are smart enough to know that picking a woman shuts this topic down immediately, whereas pickiing a self-funding businessman simply puts the challenge in front of the media to destroy him the same way.

Posted by: jwest at August 20, 2012 11:31 AM (ZDsRL)

354 What about the guy who has hepatitis and thinks Guam will flip over into the ocean? You know, the one who replaced Cynthia McKinney?

Posted by: simpleton at August 20, 2012 11:32 AM (i3pKT)

355 Apparently, this is true for us too...

There's a difference. With libs its the only way they know. For us, its a conscious choice made in the face of an immediate existential threat to the Republic. We can turn it off when the battle is won, the libs can't because its their way of life.

Posted by: @PurpAv at August 20, 2012 11:32 AM (LK8M1)

356 Trent Lott was scum. I don't miss him.

Posted by: Hobojerky at August 20, 2012 11:32 AM (/yRTM)

357 Akins has tweeted that he was NOT dropping out. Minutes ago.

Posted by: navybrat at August 20, 2012 11:32 AM (xn8dF)

358 "And the Goldwater quote was entirely on target, and not a non sequitur, no matter how much you would want it to be."
SO you're not really clear on what a non sequitur is. It means 'does not follow' as in "what the hell does that have to do with anything anyone else is talking about here?"
"A total 32.4% of these victims did not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester"
This actually doesn't surprise me. A woman who has been raped probably is in such awful shape after such a horrible attack that she's sick and messed up regularly anyway, so she could easily miss many of the early warning signs.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 11:32 AM (r4wIV)

359

Too much comb-over along with the stupid

Shitcan him

We have to win Missour-ah

Posted by: TexasJew at August 20, 2012 11:32 AM (oiJah)

360 And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism." Even the Sainted Barry could get it wrong, and he gets it 180 degree out with that statement. Under our system, a constituent has every right to demand that his representative vote for the policy preferences that the constituent supports. A religiously derived policy preference is not some kind of second class opinion that has to step to the back of the bus when the secularists are talking. Barry was just being crotchety.

Posted by: toby928© at August 20, 2012 11:32 AM (QupBk)

361 He is stupid. Period.

Posted by: Janetoo at August 20, 2012 11:32 AM (IgUON)

362 I think he was trying to make the argument that it was more politically feasible to go from that angle rather than moral or ethical ones, not that he agreed with it in principle.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 03:29 PM (r4wIV)

Well, I may have missed something, but that it certainly not what I got from it.

Posted by: Grey Fox at August 20, 2012 11:32 AM (69IdK)

363 340 305 Joe, Catholics backed Obama. You explain to me in detail how alienating New England will gain us the Catholic pro-life vote. I am a lapsed catholic, allow me to introduce my "good Catholic" friends Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, etc etc etc 1)there is no way to win the abortion issue in one election unless there was a seismic shift in public opinion that would be obvious....it is sadly not there. 2)the SCotUS has knocked down any attempt to ban it outright, so we must elect enough GOP to take a bite from the apple and win. If Akin was the deciding vote on the 60th Senator spot in a caucus of total unity, we had the house on board, and the Presidential candidate was 10 points ahead it is a good gamble... instead we risk charging up Obama's campus base with women to no gain on the issue anyway. "no" sorry Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 03:28 PM (LRFds) It's not about the seats in NE. It's about the other pickup Senate seats. I'm not against Akin being replaced. I'm against the socons need to shut up rhetoric. It is exhausting to get these voters to the polls when the get messages like "Bush did nothing to limit Abortion" when that is absurd.

Posted by: joe at August 20, 2012 11:32 AM (i3OIF)

364 ABC radio news said that Redstate is reporting that he's resigning tomorrow. Does he still keep his house seat? How does that work?

Posted by: cynder ella at August 20, 2012 11:33 AM (oZfic)

365 Actual news blip minutes ago on the radio: "Coming up, the president says Mitt Romney is not a killer"

Posted by: Craig Poe at August 20, 2012 11:33 AM (BVkEs)

366 Of course. His crime was NOT what he said per se, it was being dim enough to take the bait in the first place and talk about something everyone knows is a tar pit. Racist.

Posted by: Golan Globus at August 20, 2012 11:33 AM (7vSU0)

367 Akins has tweeted that he was NOT dropping out. Minutes ago. Posted by: navybrat at August 20, 2012 03:32 PM (xn8dF) Well that would not be the first time he has had to eat his words, but as I understand it, the body knows how to handle eaten words

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 11:33 AM (05RcU)

368 I hope Akin stands his ground and doesn't let the center-right loser-mongers push him around. I'm really sick of the squishes jumping on every GOPer that comes within arm's reach of them. It's pathetic and counter-productive ... and stupid. Enough, already.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 20, 2012 11:33 AM (X3lox)

369 I blame Akin's Biology and Human Sexuality professors. Or maybe a half-remembered Catechism class when a kid asked a tricky question. "There can be no conception without two loving souls becoming one" being a common bromide, often followed by "But God loves all babies equally, regardless of who they are". You migt be surprised how many people internalize stuff like that, myself included.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 20, 2012 11:34 AM (5UcDQ)

370

347That's too bad. I liked that Clay Akin kid. He totally should have won American Idol.

Yeah, you won't see him getting anyone pregnant.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 20, 2012 11:34 AM (D9CxV)

371 The people who will pick thecandidate are smart enough to know that picking a woman shuts this topic down immediately

How long have you been living in that cave? NARAL et al get extra-shrill when women who don't support no-cost abortion on demand for any reason get nominated to federal office.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 20, 2012 11:34 AM (/kI1Q)

372

282 People stop wetting your pants, Missourians hate Claire for her Obamacare vote.

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That's pretty much what I posted in the morning thread. Abortion is dead last in every poll of what matters to voters, plus I was under the impression you could run a dead muskrat against McCaskill and she would lose.

I don't think Akin's problem is with the electorate so much, it looks like the GOP movers and shakers don't love him no more.

Looks like no matter how intent Akin is on staying, someone is gonna make him an offer he can't refuse. It will be like what happened in NJ when the Torch got in trouble and the Jersey dems put that warmed over corpse Lautenberg in his stead.

Posted by: kallisto at August 20, 2012 11:34 AM (jm/9g)

373 >>I nominate 223 for threadwinner. Wish he lived in MO.

I do.

>>Matt Blunt

I don't think so. He very quietly decided not to run for re-election as governor. No one is really sure why. He was very young and had a hell of a political future ahead of him. Something always smelled about that.

I voted for Bruner in the primary. No prior political office. Marine. Successful businessman. However, these qualities will actually hinder his chances to be the replacement if Akin steps aside.

Steelman has more ties to the state GOP (even though they may not love her, they know her); Bruner is very wealthy (no need for that comparison to Romney if not necessary); and Steelman is a woman (helps defuse the original controversy).

Posted by: angler at August 20, 2012 11:34 AM (SwjAj)

374 God if this man's stupidity costs us the election along with senate.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at August 20, 2012 11:34 AM (NzBQO)

375 It has everything to do with it, Christopher.

A small minority of devout Christians in the Republican Party think they can use the threat of withholding their vote to force us to go along with their program, regardless of the political costs, or the opinions of the majority i the party.

Re-read that quote please.

Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 11:34 AM (0aV2C)

376 I think I will go have a primal scream now.

Posted by: Janetoo at August 20, 2012 03:31 PM (IgUON)

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Do you live in Missouri, Janetoo? I don't think I'm acquainted with you.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 11:35 AM (P6QsQ)

377
And it won't be Sarah Steelman ... finished third in a three person primary race.

Posted by: Mallamutt,

Yeah, she was crushed....

Todd Akin 36.0%
John G. Brunner 30.0%
Sarah Steelman 29.2%

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 20, 2012 11:35 AM (kdS6q)

378 A small minority of devout Christians in the Republican Party think they can use the threat of withholding their vote to force us to go along with their program, regardless of the political costs, or the opinions of the majority i the party. Re-read that quote please. Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 03:34 PM (0aV2C) Not true. But if you call them fundys, don't expect them to be knocking on doors and giving rides to the polls enthusiastically.

Posted by: joe at August 20, 2012 11:36 AM (i3OIF)

379

I liked that Clay Akin kid. He totally should have won American Idol.

With his stance on abortion, is it any wonder Reuben won that year, Dawg?

Posted by: Randy Jackson at August 20, 2012 11:36 AM (okfoK)

380 Can you intone our good friends who insist that doing what is politically correct does not mean you do not value unborn life? Why do you think I want to kick people? Okay then! Everybody! Listen up! (I'm going to hell who's coming with me) The argument over whether Akin should drop out/be forced to step aside does not contain as a necessary component a statement of belief as to one's position as pro-life, pro-abortion or the extent and nature of one's pro-life position. That is an ancillary argument but it is entirely possible to believe that abortion should be outlawed in all situations and that Akin should step aside. Those are not contradictory positions. The shrieking and the screeching about fundies and socons and who has the bigger political reality dick is as monotonous as it is predictable. It would behoove those on all sides of the issue to step back, take a deep breath and consider if it is truly necessary to impute the worst possible motives to those on the other side. Unless you disagree with me, in which case you clearly lack the mental capacity to remember to breathe. Before or after Plan B became as easily obtainable as MMs? Oh. Look. There's my eye. Twitching. I can't begin to discuss Plan B without screaming. It's not candy. It's not like taking an aspirin. It's not long term consequence free. It's not fucking joke. It's not okay to go to a party and hey there's a stack of Plan B on the table so it's okay. I am worried about what's going to happen to these young women when they hit 30 and realize they can't have kids now. I'm not against Plan B entirely but it should not be harder for me to get allergy medicine then it is for a 15 yo to get something the more or less medically induces a miscarriage. stompystompystompy

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at August 20, 2012 11:36 AM (VtjlW)

381 Yeah I don't miss Lott either, he was effective for the Republican Party but not for conservatism at any level.
The term 'legitimate' was the most problematic one, and if he'd skipped that he would have just confused people.
Rape is such a hot button emotional issue that people freak out when the topic is even brought up, so terms and concepts which otherwise might be simply questioned become horrific evils in some peoples' minds.
I suspect, although I can't read his mind, that he was trying to clarify that he wasn't talking about times when someone claims rape falsely. But it was a qualifier that wasn't necessary to make the point and hurt his argument.
In my mind, that means he handled it poorly, not that he's THE WORST CANDIDATE EVER THAT IS DOOMING US ALL AND OBAMA WILL GET REELECTED OMGS!!1!!1!!!!!
It just amazes me that a Republican can make one statement like this and even allies are screaming for him to retire and hide under a rock, and Democrats make idiotic statements all day long with just a shrug from both sides.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 11:37 AM (r4wIV)

382 You aren't the only one getting named called here, Joe.

Harden up.

Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 11:37 AM (0aV2C)

383 Matt Blunt also had one term as governor, left under a cloud of a scandal with the state's Workers Compensation system and has not been heard of since. ___________ Damn it that's wat I get for salivating at the numbers on that old race. Mary Jo Emerson is in a safe congressional race (Cape Girardua, home of Rush Limbaugh) has money in her Congressional Campaign Fund and can raise cash. _______________ can raise cash. Sounds good right there.

Posted by: tasker at August 20, 2012 11:37 AM (r2PLg)

384 I wonder if the person who told Akin about this legitimate rape business is the same person who told Bachmann about the Tardisil vaccine.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 20, 2012 11:37 AM (TOk1P)

385 Akin on hannity now.

Posted by: cynder ella at August 20, 2012 11:37 AM (oZfic)

386 but the shrieking feminazi brigade is acting like the guy is advocating rape or something. IDK it doesn't make sense. This guy thinks there's a rape-birth selector switch, fine. But whatevers, how is this beyond the pale? Why are we rushing to self-immolate? Is some out of work person in Missouri going to be like, oh, well, this is the most important thing to me? What they can do to one of our candidates, they can do to any of us. the next guy being lined up for self-execution is the guy who took a skinny dip in the middle east, so let's start his resignation campaign too.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 11:37 AM (QxSug)

387 Akin should drop out. It's the right thing to do. Then we can move on to more important things like Joey Biden fucking up.

Posted by: mpfs in dental pain at August 20, 2012 11:37 AM (iYbLN)

388 380 God if this man's stupidity costs us the election along with senate. Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at August 20, 2012 03:34 PM (NzBQO) - The idiot in MN wining with "trunk" votes - Scott Brown prevented on voting on Obamacare by Senate procedural BS - Reid winning in NV - John Roberts flipping on Obamacare They will always find a way to beat the system or corrupt votes or the judiciary.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 20, 2012 11:38 AM (136wp)

389 Too many squirrels. This will be non-news by Wed.

Posted by: Soona at August 20, 2012 11:38 AM (7POpr)

390 Akin digging a bigger hole on Hannity right now.

Posted by: Nukie at August 20, 2012 11:38 AM (Kqtqx)

391 A small minority of devout Christians in the Republican Party think they can use the threat of withholding their vote to force us to go along with their program, regardless of the political costs, or the opinions of the majority i the party. If they are that small a minority, no worries, yes? I don't see us sweating the opinions of the Birchers. What you are saying is that you fear that they are not that small a number. Or you have the same opinion of the voters that the proggers have: Agree with me or be cast into outer darkness.

Posted by: toby928© at August 20, 2012 11:38 AM (QupBk)

392 is the statement even remotely as objectionable as biden's comments from last week, given in urban slang no less?

Posted by: matt foley at August 20, 2012 11:38 AM (nxTmu)

393

Akin basically said:

'A woman's body will spontaneously abort from a legitimate rape.'

How do you defend such a stupid remark?

Akin should drop out for being stupid enough to believe such a thing.

I can't believe that anyone is defending this.

Posted by: wheatie at August 20, 2012 11:38 AM (mtRB0)

394 @387 atc

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Well done. Well done.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 11:38 AM (P6QsQ)

395

Heather @377

Politics is a game of turning a disadvantage into an advantage. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, to turn this whole thing around to a discussion of democrat sleeze and media bias, Steelman should be picked and Palin should come out with a statement linking Quanita Broddrick.

Posted by: jwest at August 20, 2012 11:39 AM (ZDsRL)

396

>>>Akin digging a bigger hole on Hannity right now.

Another akin hole.

Posted by: Roy at August 20, 2012 11:39 AM (VndSC)

397 Speaking as a Conservative in Missouri, I just want to win this seat back from Claire and the far left. I know some of you are pretty much single issue voters when it comes to abortion, so this appear to be the hill you want to plant your flag on. My hill is a little further ahead and has to do with a viable future and our country not collapsing under a mountain of debt and regulation. You guys feel free to stay on this hill fighting the abortion fight, many of us support your ideas. But some of us are gonna keep crawling because there is another hill we'd rather plant our flag on in this election.

Posted by: Drew in MO at August 20, 2012 11:39 AM (MkgGw)

398 I wonder if the person who told Akin about this legitimate rape business is the same person who told Bachmann about the Tardisil vaccine. Posted by: BurtTC at August 20, 2012 03:37 PM (TOk1P) That's gonna leave a mark

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 11:39 AM (05RcU)

399 >>>His crime was NOT what he said per se,

When you are talking about this subject and especially from that viewpoint,you need to be absolutely factual with your factual statements, and ensure what you say can only be interpreted one way. He failed pitifully on both counts, with both the facts of what he said and the manner in which he said it. So when offered the opportunity to cross a minefield, he said sure, then donned snow shoes for the trek. He is guilty of a whole bunch of being unprepared and charging anyway and should be replaced for that reason alone.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular With Full Stomping Power! at August 20, 2012 11:39 AM (0q2P7)

400

"Bizarre MSNBC Attack on Ryan - He's TOO in shape! "

He's so in shape he must be some sort of crazy health-nut that will FORCE HIS OPPRESSIVE HEALTHY DIET ON ALL OF AMERICA!

...what?

Posted by: Al "I Only Eat SnoBalls on Days Ending in Y" Sharpton at August 20, 2012 11:40 AM (+hPIb)

401 351 Mike,

Mike were I emperor of America I would end it in a heartbeat...the heartbeats I would save. Sadly I am stuck in a representative Republic, oh wait did I say sadly?
No Mike Happily right now I m in a Republic.

The ProLifer who harms any motion towards any small steps in ending this horror have a neat perspective in casting people who work within the system I thought we all love to work to fix it "murderers" when they get so wrapped up in the purity of their morals on an issue they hurt the ability to get enough people on their side of a matter to make any steps at all.

Mike, I am not your enemy we have been friends I know or at least trust you are not saying I favor pro choice.

Being called "pro murder" because I grasp the limits and obstacles is not fair.

I ordinarily refrain from the "reelect the marxist" but I cannot believe that a person who has just witnessed Obama order the Catholic Church to fund birth control thinks it ends there...he will in all likelihood with his pen shut down Catholic hospitals because he will force them to pay for abortions.

Beating Obama means any distraction we generate to hand to him to muddy the waters empowers him to Entertainment Tonight back to victory.

My God he held a press conference spiking the football at "I am against rape" and the media will infer that our whole party is as dumb as Akin. It is not fair but he had to have known this or is too dumb to rely on.

sorry,
sven

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:40 AM (LRFds)

402 "A small minority of devout Christians in the Republican Party think they can use the threat of withholding their vote to force us to go along with their program, regardless of the political costs, or the opinions of the majority i the party."
Which no one was arguing in the thread, hence the 'non sequitur.' When someone brings that up, feel free to throw your hysterical statement at people, but until then it just was out of the blue.
I really have no patience with people who argue that religious people and only religious people must shut up and deny their convictions when it comes to politics.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 11:40 AM (r4wIV)

403 Akin digging a bigger hole on Hannity right now. Another akin hole. Posted by: Roy at August 20, 2012 03:39 PM (VndSC) When your in a hole, stop digging

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 11:40 AM (05RcU)

404 How do you defend such a stupid remark? Akin should drop out for being stupid enough to believe such a thing. I can't believe that anyone is defending this. Posted by: wheatie at August 20, 2012 03:38 PM (mtRB0) I was channeling "Joe Biden"

Posted by: Todd Akin at August 20, 2012 11:40 AM (136wp)

405

Seems like to me the decision has been made. Akin is going to resign, and now they are just negotiating the terms. This is why Akin is saying he is still in. Its his only remaining leverage.

Posted by: SH at August 20, 2012 11:40 AM (gmeXX)

406 Ugh, he sounds scared crapless. All he wants to do is apologize. Hannity is trying to get him to explain why he went there. And he's avoiding that. He's sounding stupider by the minute.

Posted by: cynder ella at August 20, 2012 11:40 AM (oZfic)

407 Dear lord if he stays in Huckadoodle is a plant

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:40 AM (LRFds)

408
# 299

"Red line" for the Obama administration is giving Assad a set of Lost DVDs in PAL format.

I'm pretty sure, based on O's track record, that they'd screw that up, and give him the series of DVD's in SECAM format....but unfortunately locked out for Syria.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at August 20, 2012 11:40 AM (L7hol)

409 "A total 32.4% of these victims did not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester"

Of course if the "rapes" had been reported, there would have been follow ups that would have revealed it in a matter of weeks.

Occams razor suggests the vast majority of these are someone's boyfriend knocking them up, getting sloshed and passed around like a prize at a party, etc and they don't want to admit to family/friends that they made some poor lifestyle choices, so blaming it on a faux rape is an easy way to save face and become a socially prized victim rather than a fool.

I can't buy that this sudden rape claim stuff is a high frequency event that's honest the majority of the time the claim is made.

Posted by: @PurpAv at August 20, 2012 11:41 AM (LK8M1)

410 Speaking as a Conservative in Missouri, I just want to win this seat back from Claire and the far left. I know some of you are pretty much single issue voters when it comes to abortion, so this appear to be the hill you want to plant your flag on. My hill is a little further ahead and has to do with a viable future and our country not collapsing under a mountain of debt and regulation. You guys feel free to stay on this hill fighting the abortion fight, many of us support your ideas. But some of us are gonna keep crawling because there is another hill we'd rather plant our flag on in this election. Posted by: Drew in MO at August 20, 2012 03:39 PM (MkgGw) Repealing Obamacare requires more seats than just Missouri. We need these people coming out to the polls period. You can disagree with them, but attacking them hurts us.

Posted by: joe at August 20, 2012 11:41 AM (i3OIF)

411 He's so in shape he must be some sort of crazy health-nut that will FORCE HIS OPPRESSIVE HEALTHY DIET ON ALL OF AMERICA! ...what? Posted by: Al "I Only Eat SnoBalls on Days Ending in Y" Sharpton at August 20, 2012 03:40 PM (+hPIb) Rev Al thinks he spends too much time working out to have really thought out his budget.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at August 20, 2012 11:41 AM (DGIjM)

412

You know that the MSM/Dems are going to attack us no matter what. They will find any small thing and attempt to blow it out of proportion into an attack. And if they can't find something then they'll just go ahead and lie about it.

And with that being said, and knowing that you don't go and fucking tee the ball up for them.

And if you're making a statement that can pretty easily be turned into a claim of "If you got pregnant from a rape then you weren't really raped," you've done a lot more than just teeing it up for them.

Posted by: buzzion at August 20, 2012 11:41 AM (GULKT)

413

Completely OT and forgive me; Thanks Russ for the Hindu Love Gods link in the sidebar, Warren and the actual relevant members of REM, what a great CD.

Used to have it yrs. ago but it went missing somehow. prolly loaned it to someone who never returned, look for it occasionally and have never been able to find it.

Thanks again Russ xcllent

Posted by: Finn McCool at August 20, 2012 11:41 AM (R/8dI)

414 It's a real shame how any fucking Democrat politician can say any stupid shit and, on the off-chance they ever get called on it, just say "I misspoke" and all is forgiven and forgotten.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 20, 2012 11:41 AM (aHR5E)

415 "did anyone notice the fuss about Repuib congresscritter skinny dipping in the Sea of Galilee? Is this all the Dems are left with?"

Posted by: mallfly at August 20, 2012 02:40 PM (bJm7W)

Duran Duranson at RedState is saying the Congressmen were skinny-dipping in the vicinity of some of their children. Don't know yet. I guess we'll find out if Obama storms into a Carney Barker session to pontificate on it.

Posted by: Obama constichuant at August 20, 2012 11:41 AM (QjSgY)

416

The two parties play on different fields. The Dem field is groomed and watered and flat and beautiful.

The Rep field is on the side of a mountain, missing its goalposts, and resembles the surface of the moon.

Republican candidates must be better candidates than their dem opponents. Reps must practice message discipline every single minute of every day. Nobody is going to cover up for the Biden-esque comments made by a republican.

That's just the way it is and if the MO Senate seat is to be won, this Akin-bot needs to go, now, while the rest of the country is still on summer vacay.

Posted by: Boots at August 20, 2012 11:41 AM (neKzn)

417 He's so in shape he must be some sort of crazy health-nut that will FORCE HIS OPPRESSIVE HEALTHY DIET ON ALL OF AMERICA! ...what? Posted by: Al "I Only Eat SnoBalls on Days Ending in Y" Sharpton at August 20, 2012 03:40 PM (+hPIb) HEY! That's my job...

Posted by: Moch-elle - FLOTUS at August 20, 2012 11:41 AM (136wp)

418

391I wonder if the person who told Akin about this legitimate rape business is the same person who told Bachmann about the Tardisil vaccine.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 20, 2012 03:37 PM (TOk1P)

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Heh.

Well...both have the same level of sheer stupidity.

Posted by: wheatie at August 20, 2012 11:41 AM (mtRB0)

419 Well done. Well done. Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 03:38 PM (P6QsQ) Thank you. I think I will need a hateshake before this day is through.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at August 20, 2012 11:41 AM (VtjlW)

420 tard sock off/

Posted by: 66chevelle at August 20, 2012 11:42 AM (QjSgY)

421 Akin says he's staying in.

Posted by: Nukie at August 20, 2012 11:42 AM (Kqtqx)

422 @400 - I agree. Rather than try to defend the remark, we should recognize that, if the holes in his mental filter are large enough to let this pass through, he is A Liability For Future Statements, and find him a nice position somewhere in the party, away from hot mics.

Posted by: reason at August 20, 2012 11:42 AM (+hPIb)

423 Christopher: It's because the Democrats understand what the goal of a political party is: Power.

Get power, and then you can wrangle inside the party about what to do with it afterwards. As far as the dems are concerned, saying bad things about other dems is something that should only happen behind closed doors ( and yes, the far left screaching at Obama in public for gitmo and drone attacks will hurt them ).

And yes, I am contributing to this harm being caused to our party by airing the laundry in public. I'm going to stop now. If you want the party to go in that direction, support Akin. I don't, so I won't.

But I'm not going to give the dems more ammo by yapping anymore about it.

Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 11:42 AM (0aV2C)

424 Read on twitter: "Never go to bed angry. Stay up and fight.'- R.I.P. Phyllis Diller

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at August 20, 2012 11:42 AM (DGIjM)

425 Akin digging a bigger hole on Hannity right now.

Posted by: Nukie at August 20, 2012 03:38 PM (Kqtqx)

Is Hannity trying to get him out or is Hannity all in on Crazy?

Posted by: robtr at August 20, 2012 11:42 AM (MtwBb)

426 Used to have it yrs. ago but it went missing somehow. prolly loaned it to someone who never returned, look for it occasionally and have never been able to find it. Thanks again Russ xcllent Posted by: Finn McCool at August 20, 2012 03:41 PM (R/8dI) Loved the cover of "Raspberry Beret" by the HLGs

Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 20, 2012 11:42 AM (136wp)

427 Akin just said on Hannity he's staying in the race.

Selfish dumbass.

Posted by: angler at August 20, 2012 11:42 AM (SwjAj)

428

He's sounding stupider by the minute.

Well said.

Posted by: garrett at August 20, 2012 11:43 AM (okfoK)

429 Completely OT and forgive me; Thanks Russ for the Hindu Love Gods link in the sidebar, Warren and the actual relevant members of REM, what a great CD.

Used to have it yrs. ago but it went missing somehow. prolly loaned it to someone who never returned, look for it occasionally and have never been able to find it.
Thanks again Russ xcllent

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I bought that CD at Best Buy for $1.99. Best two bucks I ever spent. Who knew that REM (pronounced "ream") could actually rock?

Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 20, 2012 11:43 AM (aHR5E)

430 the "majority of the party" is anti-abortion...and the candidates will continue to be unless they want to lose a lot of enthusiasm from the grassroots. the whole "imposing their views" has always struck me as a false neutrality. normal Democratic voters might not particularly like abortion, but when their elected officials don't support any restrictions whatsoever on it, and view funding it as a basic human right, that's not neutrality, that's saying it's pretty much OK.

Posted by: JParker at August 20, 2012 11:43 AM (8HhF2)

431 Some asshole General on Fox just tried to blame the Afghans turning their weapons on us on Stress???? Not idiology but stress? Shit was that Dempsey?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 11:43 AM (05RcU)

432 O/T - Phyllis Diller died. She was 195 or so. Akin's career is right behind.

Posted by: Roy at August 20, 2012 11:43 AM (VndSC)

433 "Akin basically said: 'A woman's body will spontaneously abort froma legitimate rape.' How do you defend such a stupid remark? "
You don't because he didn't say that. You've got to stop getting your information from hostile sources. Would you trust Marx' opinion on capitalism?
He said a woman's body CAN abort from a legitimate rape. Which is rock solid medical fact. In fact, I'd offer that its more likely someone brutalized and traumatized by a rape will miscarry but I have no medical stats to support that.
I just can't figure out why being ignorant in one area negates your legitimacy to be a politician. Its like we figure anyone who runs for office has to be a perfect encyclopedia of every single conceivable bit of information, no matter how trivial. If not well they shouldn't be running in the first place, and they're ruining everything!!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 11:44 AM (r4wIV)

434
My hill is a little further ahead and has to do with a viable future and our country not collapsing under a mountain of debt and regulation.
Posted by: Drew in MO

Too late. See that landslide behind you? That was your hill.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 20, 2012 11:44 AM (kdS6q)

435 It's the stupid, economy.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at August 20, 2012 11:44 AM (f8XyF)

436 "If this becomes the defining moment in this campaign, and Missouri is never an easy state....would you be willing to live with the fact that maybe this comemnt, ill advised as it is, ...and you lose that race and it impacts that ticket in the state of Missouri have you thought about the consequences of that?"...hannity question

Posted by: cynder ella at August 20, 2012 11:44 AM (oZfic)

437 I bought that CD at Best Buy for $1.99. Best two bucks I ever spent. Who knew that REM (pronounced "ream") could actually rock? Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 20, 2012 03:43 PM (aHR5E) Two words - Michael Stipe. That dude could depress Mickey Mouse.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 20, 2012 11:44 AM (136wp)

438 @432. Hannity is trying to get ratings.

Posted by: SH at August 20, 2012 11:44 AM (gmeXX)

439 Dem proxies have undoubtedly flooded his campaign with donations and calls of support. That's what I'd do if I were the Democrats and I needed to keep this guy in the race.

Posted by: @PurpAv at August 20, 2012 11:44 AM (LK8M1)

440 O/T - Phyllis Diller died. She was 195 or so. Akin's career is right behind. Posted by: Roy at August 20, 2012 03:43 PM (VndSC) Actually if you look at the timeline, I think Akin's career died first

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 11:44 AM (05RcU)

441 Of course if the "rapes" had been reported, there would have been follow ups that would have revealed it in a matter of weeks.

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If the rapes had been reported, the rape victim would get checked out at a hospital and most likely given *medication that would have prevented implantation, pregnancy, and the future need for an abortion procedure.

*With or without her consent, I might add.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 11:44 AM (P6QsQ)

442 Nevergiveup: Generals are politicals as well as soldiers.

As long as Obama controls the Pentagon, they will toe the party line.

Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 11:44 AM (0aV2C)

443 Dear lord if he stays in Huckadoodle is a plant

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 03:40 PM (LRFds)

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Never trust Huckabee. He's on the same level as the SCOAMT. All in for himself. I'll never forgive him for what he did in the 2008 primaries.

Posted by: Soona at August 20, 2012 11:45 AM (7POpr)

444 Thanks, Akin. One of the reasons why he gave for not dropping out is because lots of Missourians are pro-life.

Thanks for implying that they agree with you.

Posted by: angler at August 20, 2012 11:45 AM (SwjAj)

445 I voted for Akin in the primary. But he must absolutely withdraw. This race is just too critical.

Posted by: Dave at August 20, 2012 11:45 AM (z0U44)

446 Phyllis Diller died. She was 195 or so.

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But much of her body was actually significantly younger.

RIP Phyllis

Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 20, 2012 11:45 AM (aHR5E)

447 RIP Phyllis Dillar at 95.

Posted by: Vic at August 20, 2012 11:45 AM (YdQQY)

448 Too many squirrels. This will be non-news by Wed. Posted by: Soona at August 20, 2012 03:38 PM

It won't be "non-news" at AoSHQ for weeks. Months, maybe.

This steps on some pretty damn sensitive toes, I see. The attitudes expressed by some commenters do not bode well for success in November.

I'm not talking about success for Akin, BTW. My own opinion is that the dumb shit should drop out and, since every Repub politician from Romney on down has expressed a negative opinion of Akin, the response (after he quits the race) to any friggin' sanctimonious Dem should be, "Akin dropped out after he made a mistake. When is Obama going to drop out because of his racism, serial lies and general unsuitability for office?"

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 20, 2012 11:45 AM (wZI4b)

449 Actually if you look at the timeline, I think Akin's career died first

Posted by: Nevergiveup

It's just pining for the fjords.

Posted by: Roy at August 20, 2012 11:45 AM (VndSC)

450 He's sounding stupider by the minute.

Well said.

Posted by: garrett at August 20, 2012 03:43 PM (okfoK)

LOL!!!

Posted by: Tami at August 20, 2012 11:45 AM (X6akg)

451 For the person upthead quoting Goldwater, guess what , he got his ass handed to him by LBJ. Maybe you should quote Bob Dole or John McCain next time.

Posted by: wierd flunky at August 20, 2012 11:45 AM (X+nFp)

452 Nevergiveup: Generals are politicals as well as soldiers. As long as Obama controls the Pentagon, they will toe the party line. Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 03:44 PM (0aV2C) Some stupidity just can't be forgiven

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 11:45 AM (05RcU)

453 Akin just announced on Hannity he is staying in. Thst's that.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 20, 2012 11:45 AM (i330i)

454 He's so in shape he must be some sort of crazy health-nut that will FORCE HIS OPPRESSIVE HEALTHY DIET ON ALL OF AMERICA!

Paul Ryan is Michelle Obama?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 20, 2012 11:45 AM (/kI1Q)

455 453 Thanks, Akin. One of the reasons why he gave for not dropping out is because lots of Missourians are pro-life.

Thanks for implying that they agree with you.

Pro-life, not stupidity...

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at August 20, 2012 11:46 AM (W2Z3C)

456 He should be forced out, now that he said he's staying in. Or, a big push for a right-in from the party. Stop giving him money....

Posted by: get out at August 20, 2012 11:46 AM (HOOye)

457 Two words - Michael Stipe. That dude could depress Mickey Mouse.

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Fuck Stipe and his whining. I swear he makes Morrissey sound like Howlin' Wolf.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 20, 2012 11:46 AM (aHR5E)

458 He has to go. This is the type of issue the media can sway the squishy undecideds with, especially women, and not just in Missouri. I think Christine O'Donnell affected other races. These non-ideological voters are just looking for a reason to vote Democrats, because it's the hip thing to do (according to the entertainment industry).

Posted by: Spike at August 20, 2012 11:46 AM (I4NNt)

459 And if Aiken stays in and wins, is he stupid and a liability and selfish, then? If I were him I'd just duck and cover, make few appearances and not really campaign a lot. Focus on tearing apart McCaskill and general pro-conservative messages, without your personal involvement. Its not that far to the election, but far enough this will disappear in the rear view mirror pretty quickly.
People are already getting sick of the "You didn't build that" attack and its only a few weeks old.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 11:47 AM (r4wIV)

460 *With or without her consent, I might add.

Really?! They can give you that stuff without asking if you want it?!

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 20, 2012 11:47 AM (/kI1Q)

461 464 He should be forced out, now that he said he's staying in. Or, a big push for a right-in from the party. Stop giving him money.... Posted by: get out at August 20, 2012 03:46 PM (HOOye) Not so fast, we have some extra cash lying around....

Posted by: David Asselrod at August 20, 2012 11:47 AM (136wp)

462 Not to worry. Romney's taking MO. Regardless of what Idiot Akin said.

But sure would be nice to dump McCaskill. The other two GOPers that Akin beat both polled better than Akin against her, so maybe the could all turn out for the better, despite the unfortunate turn of events.

Posted by: Cornfed at August 20, 2012 11:47 AM (Hoy9u)

463 <-Is a Missourian and is Pro-Life but thinks you must be an idiot if you think women can naturally abort pregnancies from rape. This is not an abortion issue, this is a Todd Akin is an idiot issue.

Posted by: Drew in MO at August 20, 2012 11:47 AM (MkgGw)

464 Akin's grasp on modern biology is completely accurate

Posted by: Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber at August 20, 2012 11:47 AM (XvHmy)

465 447 Malamutt,

Huckabee works for Pelosi

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:47 AM (LRFds)

466 Maybe Huckabee could actually do something helpful like call Akin and tell him to withdraw.

Posted by: Dave at August 20, 2012 11:47 AM (z0U44)

467 Now, who would like to join me for some ice cream? I'm having tin roof (rusted). I get the Love shack reference.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 20, 2012 11:48 AM (9TTOe)

468 This is the type of issue the media can sway the squishy undecideds with, especially women

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I don't know why people keep insisting upon that last part.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 11:48 AM (P6QsQ)

469 @406. Not only do you have to have your facts, but when you are talking about rape and abortion, you better show some empathy and lead with that. My own personal opinion is that if you truly believe abortion is bad because it is the taking of a life, then rape should be no exception. But I recognize that is a very minority position. So as you say, tread lightly, if you tread at all. And there is a legitimate argument for not going there for any reason at this point. Which is why you question his judgment. The position doesn't bother me as much as the clumsy way he defends it.

Posted by: SH at August 20, 2012 11:48 AM (gmeXX)

470 O/T - Phyllis Diller died. She was 195 or so. Akin's career is right behind.

Can that be true? She was old when I was a kid.

Posted by: Compliance is futile at August 20, 2012 11:48 AM (KXm42)

471 Sooo stooopid.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 20, 2012 11:48 AM (kqGWM)

472 470 <-Is a Missourian and is Pro-Life but thinks you must be an idiot if you think women can naturally abort pregnancies from rape. This is not an abortion issue, this is a Todd Akin is an idiot issue. Posted by: Drew in MO at August 20, 2012 03:47 PM (MkgGw) The question isn't pussy, it's monkey...

Posted by: Gus Grissom at August 20, 2012 11:48 AM (136wp)

473 471 Cornfed,

nah it is not like Ocare was passed by a single senate vote or anything is it....

oh Al Franken outright stealing his seat....

"darn"

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:48 AM (LRFds)

474 CBS on twitter reporting Akin says he is staying in the race.

Posted by: Pete Thompson at August 20, 2012 11:48 AM (nqZrN)

475 Mike Huckabee. It figures.

Isn't this the guy who fries squirrels in a popcorn popper, and believes that eating a whole chicken in the middle of the night is not cheating on your diet if you don't chew?

Posted by: Fritz at August 20, 2012 11:48 AM (/ZZCn)

476 Go Civil War surgeon on Akin. Cut him off. No money, no support.

Posted by: mpfs in dental pain at August 20, 2012 11:48 AM (iYbLN)

477 Thank God. Having our candidate with such an extreme abortion position is humiliating to our side. We must learn to make accommodation.

I mean really, There are those who actually think that if a late-term abortion results in a live-born fetus (otherwise known as a "child"), then that thing has a right not to be thrown into the trash to be incinerated.

Thank God we have a President who is in tough with the average American and the press who reports it as such.

Posted by: Average Joe at August 20, 2012 11:48 AM (qxcKC)

478 466 He has to go. This is the type of issue the media can sway the squishy undecideds with, especially women, and not just in Missouri. I think Christine O'Donnell affected other races. These non-ideological voters are just looking for a reason to vote Democrats, because it's the hip thing to do (according to the entertainment industry).

But how can you make him? Time is short and if he is to go he needs to go immediately.Dragging it out will be even more disastrous...

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at August 20, 2012 11:48 AM (W2Z3C)

479 Really?! They can give you that stuff without asking if you want it?!

Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ at August 20, 2012 03:47 PM (/kI1Q)

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Yes.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 11:49 AM (P6QsQ)

480 Akin's grasp on modern biology is completely accurate Posted by: Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber at August 20, 2012 03:47 PM (XvHmy) We think so also

Posted by: Muslims at August 20, 2012 11:49 AM (05RcU)

481

@433 the whole thing is great if you can find it buy it, has been out of print for yrs.

@437 the instrumentalists in REM always could rock, listen to anything from IRS days (before Green)

College radio band in early 80's when I was in college @CMU saw them at DeVoss hall in GR great show except when Stipe ran off stage after having a rose hit him in the face.

Guy always was a pretentious pussy.

Posted by: Finn McCool at August 20, 2012 11:49 AM (R/8dI)

482 >>>My God he held a press conference spiking the football at "I am against rape"

Once again, I am definitely for replacing Akin. I am not for, everyone has to be comfortable with your pragmatism on the issue or they are stupid. If you can't handle that level of pragmatism however, since it is the politically salable one, you had better be dang well prepared on the subject before you take media invetations to comment on it. Akin didn't. That makes him two things. Incompetent as a candidate, and spoiled goods for this election thanks to his big fat mouth. The longer he stays in the race the more he is going to hurt us in every race now. He needs to take a hike.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Regular With Full Stomping Power! at August 20, 2012 11:49 AM (0q2P7)

483 I think he is whistling past the graveyard. Negotiating to get the party to eire his campaign debt in return for pulling out. I will bet they are lining up his replacement as we speak.

Posted by: thunderb at August 20, 2012 11:49 AM (Dnbau)

484 I should clarify. "Can" they? Maybe they are not supposed to.

"Do" they?

Yes.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 11:49 AM (P6QsQ)

485 "It won't be "non-news" at AoSHQ for weeks. Months, maybe. This steps on some pretty damn sensitive toes, I see"
Apparently so, but few regular commenters are involved from what I can see. But yeah, as fast as the political cycle is these days? People barely remember Trayvon/Zimmerman and it was the BIGGEST NEWS EVER not long ago.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 11:49 AM (r4wIV)

486 474 Dave,

That would involve Huckadoodle giving a sh*t about stopping the commie....

he doesn't

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:49 AM (LRFds)

487 472 Akin's grasp on modern biology is completely accurate Posted by: Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber at August 20, 2012 03:47 PM (XvHmy) Maybe we should try bloodletting Akin's brain?

Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 20, 2012 11:49 AM (136wp)

488 wierd flunky:

LBJ was the master of buying votes with government money, and the use of the Big Lie.

He claimed Goldwater was going to get us all nuked, and made the public buy it. Americans are starting to get wise to Democrat lies by now ( or so I at least hope ).

Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 11:50 AM (0aV2C)

489

Kick his ass to the curb. What is it with these weird dudes and women who could never make it in the real world but run for office ? Why the hell does anyone vote for them? You can see the corruption oozing from their pores!

Posted by: sonnyspats at August 20, 2012 11:50 AM (Bm4aK)

490

Akin's assertion was possibly the most idiotic thing I have heard out of a politician's mouth, and I've heard some doozies. And I've voted for the guy a few times.

In an interview with Charles Fucking Jaco, you just have to measure every syllable. Akin just totally boned himself. He needs to step down. Now.

Posted by: Jeffersonian at August 20, 2012 11:50 AM (gxCRt)

491 Philyis Diller Died? Usually I could give a shit about the famous kickin it, Winehouse, ledger, pheonix, who gives a fuck. But Diller? Cool old broad.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 20, 2012 11:50 AM (9TTOe)

492 He said a woman's body CAN abort from a legitimate rape. Which is rock solid medical fact. In fact, I'd offer that its more likely someone brutalized and traumatized by a rape will miscarry but I have no medical stats to support that. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 03:44 PM (r4wIV) This is a retarded argument. It does nothing to solve the dilemma of pregnant rape victims in any way, shape, or form.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 20, 2012 11:51 AM (csi6Y)

493 Too far along at this point. If Akin refuses to withdraw, MO immediately goes from Republican to Lean Democrat. Take one for the team Akin!

Posted by: Dave at August 20, 2012 11:51 AM (z0U44)

494 464 He should be forced out, now that he said he's staying in.

Or, a big push for a right-in from the party.

Stop giving him money....

"In the clearest sign yet that pressure is being exerted on Akin to leave the race, National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn (Texas) issued a statement saying the Congressman has 24 hours to make a decision on whatÂ’s 'best for him, his family, the Republican Party, and the values that he cares about' and to 'carefully consider' his options. A GOP source also confirmed that the NRSC is prepared to pull its $5 million ad reservation if Akin does not drop out of the contest."

http://bit.ly/NYkh4c

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 20, 2012 11:51 AM (YjDyJ)

495 he got his ass handed to him by LBJ

And that worked out so well, right? So well that LBJ's second term from 68-72 was ushered in with a Dem landslide.

Posted by: @PurpAv at August 20, 2012 11:51 AM (LK8M1)

496 the instrumentalists in REM always could rock, listen to anything from IRS days (before Green)

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I'll take your word for it. I just simply can't listen to Michael Stipe sing.

Likewise that "Camera One" guy, who I always thought actually was Stipe until recently.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 20, 2012 11:51 AM (aHR5E)

497

That HLG LP will cost you about $25 - 45 if you can find a good clean copy.

I have seen several copies on CD sell for much less. Anywhere from $5 - $15.

Posted by: garrett at August 20, 2012 11:51 AM (okfoK)

498 Every time an issue like this comes up, its pretty obvious that there are more than a few folks here that hate, hate, hate social conservatism with tooth gnashing fury and are just waiting with spiked iron boots to stomp on any topic where it comes up. Its sort of dismaying to me to see the passion in these folks.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 11:51 AM (r4wIV)

499 how about we just win the seat regardless of what he said?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 11:52 AM (QxSug)

500

461 Akin just announced on Hannity he is staying in. Thst's that.

Akin will receive a series of phone calls tonight explaining how fucked he is if he doesn't step down tomorrow.

Posted by: jwest at August 20, 2012 11:52 AM (ZDsRL)

501 By the way, who gave you your medical degree? You don't have one? Why offer conjecture???

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 20, 2012 11:52 AM (csi6Y)

502 489 @433 the whole thing is great if you can find it buy it, has been out of print for yrs. @437 the instrumentalists in REM always could rock, listen to anything from IRS days (before Green) College radioband in early 80's when I was in college @CMU saw them at DeVoss hall in GR great show except when Stipe ran off stage after having a rose hit him in the face. Guy always was a pretentious pussy. Posted by: Finn McCool at August 20, 2012 03:49 PM (R/8dI) I ripped it from CD to iTunes years ago. And yea, they whole album is great, it just "Raspberry Beret" is a good entrance point for the uninitiated

Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 20, 2012 11:52 AM (136wp)

503 A GOP source also confirmed that the NRSC is prepared to pull
its $5 million ad reservation if Akin does not drop out of the contest."

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Uh-oh.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 11:52 AM (P6QsQ)

504

Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 20, 2012 03:49 PM (136wp)

___

That won't work. As soon as his brain determines a foreign object is invading, it immediately directs the circulatory system to SHUT THAT THING DOWN.

Posted by: kallisto at August 20, 2012 11:52 AM (jm/9g)

505 Maybe we should try bloodletting Akin's brain?

Go with the leeches, they actually work.

Posted by: @PurpAv at August 20, 2012 11:53 AM (LK8M1)

506 how about we just win the seat regardless of what he said? Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 03:52 PM (QxSug) Akin's only hope is to say he is 1/32 Indian and that is what Indian Medicine says. Hell they are stupid enough in MASS to buy that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 11:53 AM (05RcU)

507 432 Akin digging a bigger hole on Hannity right now. Posted by: Nukie at August 20, 2012 03:38 PM (Kqtqx) Is Hannity trying to get him out or is Hannity all in on Crazy? ---------------------------------- Hannity is subtly trying to get Akin to drop out.

Posted by: Nukie at August 20, 2012 11:53 AM (yU1Dt)

508 The question isn't pussy, it's monkey...

Posted by: Gus Grissom at August 20, 2012 03:48 PM (136wp)

F'n A bubba!

Posted by: Havedash at August 20, 2012 11:53 AM (F0WNa)

509 490 MTM,

That makes him two things. Incompetent as a candidate, and spoiled goods for this election thanks to his big fat mouth. The longer he stays in the race the more he is going to hurt us in every race now. He needs to take a hike.
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I absolutely agree that is the reason for my "pragmatism". Hard Pro-Lifers over all are not often guarded enough or inelegant in their guarding the topic and it is so loaded. Part of my dislike of the Maine sisters is their games on abortion, but we need their votes.

Your analysis is spot on.

"my anger" started when the first response to "oh my lord why?" was "you must favor dead babies"....

well "no".

Anyway a nice summary of why this hurts.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:53 AM (LRFds)

510

504 I think you missed the point Purp.

Posted by: wierd flunky at August 20, 2012 11:53 AM (X+nFp)

511 @507

I take comfort in the fact that it's mostly people I don't remember ever seeing here before.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 11:53 AM (P6QsQ)

512 >>I just can't figure out why being ignorant in one area negates your legitimacy to be a politician.

If Akin made an ignorant statement about the calculation of the prime rate, or how a bill technically is written up and voted out of a committee, or how "scoring" works, I might be more inclined to your point of view.

But he spouted off on perhaps the most hot-button, divisive issue there is. He gave his opponents tons of material to use against him and thereby avoid talking about their record. He was not merely ignorant on the issue of legitimate/illegitimate rape; he wasn't merely ignorant on the body's magical ability to thwart pregnancy in "real" rape; he didn't merely misspeak. He is an idiot.

Posted by: angler at August 20, 2012 11:53 AM (SwjAj)

513 Did Hannity call Akin a "great American?"

I wouldn't listen to that whiny little shit if Bark Obama went on his show to resign.

Despite his supposed conservatism, Hannity has all the charm of Rachel Madcow and the flat-line brainwaves of Pissy Chrissy Mathews.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 20, 2012 11:54 AM (wZI4b)

514

440"Akin basically said:
'A woman's body will spontaneously abort froma legitimate rape.'

How do you defend such a stupid remark? "

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You don't because he didn't say that. You've got to stop getting your information from hostile sources. Would you trust Marx' opinion on capitalism?

He said a woman's body CAN abort from a legitimate rape. Which is rock solid medical fact. In fact, I'd offer that its more likely someone brutalized and traumatized by a rape will miscarry but I have no medical stats to support that.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 03:44 PM (r4wIV)

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Have you even watched the actual interview?

I have.

But then, it sounds like you agree with what Akin said....

Which doesn't suprise me.....since you are the guy who doesn't have a problem with dogs being tortured and put into dog fighting rings.

Yeesh.

Posted by: wheatie at August 20, 2012 11:54 AM (mtRB0)

515 I'll take your word for it. I just simply can't listen to Michael Stipe sing. Likewise that "Camera One" guy, who I always thought actually was Stipe until recently. Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 20, 2012 03:51 PM (aHR5E) Not Michael Stipe on the CD, it's Warren Zevon.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 20, 2012 11:54 AM (136wp)

516 I bet Akin wakes up tomorrow morning with a horse's head in his bed.

Mitt's people aren't taking this well at all. I don't blame them, it throws us off message.

Posted by: mpfs in dental pain at August 20, 2012 11:54 AM (iYbLN)

517 People barely remember Trayvon/Zimmerman and it was the BIGGEST NEWS EVER not long ago.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 03:49 PM (r4wIV)

I think that issue is just taking a short rest. It will be back in action once things start heating back up. Right now there isn't a lot new to comment on.

Posted by: Reactionary at August 20, 2012 11:54 AM (xUM1Q)

518 512 Mama Winger,

If SCOAMF sticks because of this Huckabee footbullet it will blow our party apart.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:54 AM (LRFds)

519 Akin has reiterated on Hannity that he is staying in. The problem doesn't have to do with his position on abortion, but his "scientific" declaration of magic uteri combined with a dismissal of rape victims.

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 20, 2012 11:54 AM (XvHmy)

520

# 439

Shit....I loved Phyliss Diller, and her self flushing oven. Fur sink. Etc.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at August 20, 2012 11:54 AM (L7hol)

521

Once more the Repubs allow the Dems and MSM to create an OUTRAGE!!!!

And throw someone under the bus... we allow 9/11 truthers in Congress... and people who think all Whites are Racist bastards.... and don't even get me started on the Kennedy clan... or Clintons...

But let a Repub make an ackward phrase.... and you take a pawn out of play, without the opponenet even having to make a move...

Posted by: Romeo13, with a new improoved Red White and Blue Tinfoil Hat at August 20, 2012 11:55 AM (lZBBB)

522

Song For THe Lead Singer of R.E.M.

http://tinyurl.com/chceer9

Posted by: fIREHOSE at August 20, 2012 11:55 AM (okfoK)

523

OT re: sidebar -

I thought I was the only person on planet Earth who owned the Hindu Love Gods disc.

Now I'm going to have to fall back on my ownership of the Animal Logic disc to keep my obscure '80's side project street cred intact.

Posted by: Jaws at August 20, 2012 11:55 AM (4I3Uo)

524 Y'all have to remember too, that Biden is being let loose from dem house-arrest tomorrow. Trust me, a blithering VP will outshine a state race any ole' day.

Posted by: Soona at August 20, 2012 11:55 AM (7POpr)

525 Akin: Biology, do you understand it motherf*cker?

Posted by: mpfs in dental pain at August 20, 2012 11:55 AM (iYbLN)

526 Posted by: mpfs in dental pain at August 20, 2012 03:54 PM (iYbLN) can I be of help?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 11:55 AM (05RcU)

527 I wonder how many times people here have said something dumb or mistaken, and go 'dang that was stupid' later. Does that mean you're a complete knuckle dragging retard? Does that mean you believe in medieval medicine or should shut up about every topic, that you are some kind of complete retard?
Or say you're doing a job, and you make a mistake at the job. Maybe a major one, that costs money. Should you be instantly fired, and mocked incessantly for it?
I'm just curious because that seems to be the standard for a politician in some other state we know nothing about and have never met. Its as if we think politicians must be super human and if they make a mistake pay the highest price possible, mostly because it makes us look bad (we think).

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 11:55 AM (r4wIV)

528 Welp ... If he is staying in, then we need to bite the fucking bullet, and just take the expected damage coming down range.

Yes, he is the Republican nominee. Yes this fucking sucks, and is going to hurt us. I would have liked to see him do the best thing for the Party, and resign, but it doesn't look like that is happening.

If we don't stand behind our nominees, of what use is the party?

I guess we need to just harden the fuck up, and take the hit now.

Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 11:55 AM (0aV2C)

529 Not Michael Stipe on the CD, it's Warren Zevon.

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Yes, I'm well aware of that. I was responding to the guy who suggested I listen to REM's IRS Records output. I politely declined.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 20, 2012 11:55 AM (aHR5E)

530 The Dems and the MSM didn't create this outrage. Unfortunately, Akin did all by himself.

Posted by: Dave at August 20, 2012 11:55 AM (z0U44)

531 This is a night mare! A fucking nightmare!

So from now until election every GOP candidate will now be asked his position on rape!

Wonderful!

Posted by: General Woundwort at August 20, 2012 11:56 AM (06lNq)

532 the fainting violets and other dodo birds who take this gaffe as a deal breaker are probably the same idiots that think obamacare is the awesomeness. Who is actually turned off by this?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 11:56 AM (QxSug)

533
A GOP source also confirmed that the NRSC is prepared to pull its $5 million ad reservation if Akin does not drop out of the contest."

So, the RNC turning a possible/probable loss into certain defeat?

'kay.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 20, 2012 11:56 AM (kdS6q)

534 474 Huck had him on his radio show instead. Gotta give the man a chance to explain what he really meant.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 20, 2012 11:56 AM (i330i)

535

@490. Once again, I am in full agreement with Mike on this. He says it better than I do. Akin deliberately and clumsily walked himself into an issue that he had no business walking himself into. There is an intellectually hones argument for not allowing a rape exception. But make it when it needs to be made. Right now it did not need to be made. And at least make sure you say at the beginning, in the middle, and in the end that it is an extremely tough decision, but I truly believe that all life is precious. And never use the term "legitimate rape."

If you are saying that rape is bad, then you have lost big time.

We aren't giving up on the issue by forcing him to resign.

Posted by: SH at August 20, 2012 11:56 AM (gmeXX)

536 Now I'm going to have to fall back on my ownership of the Animal Logic disc to keep my obscure '80's side project street cred intact. Posted by: Jaws at August 20, 2012 03:55 PM (4I3Uo) Nope, love Animal Logic. Stanley Clarke and Stu Copeland! Greatest piccolo bass solos!

Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 20, 2012 11:56 AM (136wp)

537 Now I'm going to have to fall back on my ownership of the Animal Logic disc to keep my obscure '80's side project street cred intact.

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You win. I only like the one track Steve Howe played on.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 20, 2012 11:56 AM (aHR5E)

538 From listening to the Hannity interview just now - my guess is that this Akin guy has to have his wife tie his shoes every morning cuz he never learned how when he was a kid. The Stupid is strong.

Posted by: Not an Artist at August 20, 2012 11:57 AM (uRumV)

539

Akin on Hannity (paraphrased):

"Yes, yes, I understand your concerns, but no I think I'll go ahead and take my chances, thanks"

Posted by: twit of the year at August 20, 2012 11:57 AM (5TXNQ)

540 waiting with spiked iron boots to stomp

Personally I'm socially-agnostic, do whatever you want as long as it doesn't cost me anything, but stomping begats more stomping. IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at August 20, 2012 11:57 AM (SDkq3)

541 Okay, I'm tired of talking about this one.

Instead, let's talk about how we can reverse engineer this so one of the mechanically inclined morons can build me one.

http://fxn.ws/QTAFQk

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 20, 2012 11:57 AM (8y9MW)

542 Yes, I'm well aware of that. I was responding to the guy who suggested I listen to REM's IRS Records output. I politely declined. Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 20, 2012 03:55 PM (aHR5E) oops, my bad. Apologies!

Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 20, 2012 11:57 AM (136wp)

543 I am just stunned anybody here is defending him. What he said is nuts. I watched the interview. It was gawdawful. He is an idiot. Full up Biden. We keep our bidens because why??

Posted by: thunderb at August 20, 2012 11:57 AM (Dnbau)

544

>>Now I'm going to have to fall back on my ownership of the Animal Logic disc to keep my obscure '80's side project street cred intact.

Careful. This is how hipster slap-fights get started.

Posted by: garrett at August 20, 2012 11:57 AM (okfoK)

545

The Dems and the MSM didn't create this outrage.

Unfortunately, Akin did all by himself.

True Dat, self inflicted head shot

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 20, 2012 11:58 AM (mFxQX)

546 oops, my bad. Apologies!

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No worries, brah. I'm digging talking about HLG and Animal Logic.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 20, 2012 11:58 AM (aHR5E)

547 535 Posted by: mpfs in dental pain at August 20, 2012 03:54 PM (iYbLN)

can I be of help? Posted by: Nevergiveup

Thanks for the offer! I had a crown put in last week and it was the very back tooth on the bottom right. My mouth is small (no comments please) and between working on the tooth in the back and the injections my ears and jaw just hurt. I called the dentist and he is going to prescribe some muscle relaxers if I need them.

Posted by: mpfs in dental pain at August 20, 2012 11:59 AM (iYbLN)

548 "Which doesn't suprise me.....since you are the guy who doesn't have a problem with dogs being tortured and put into dog fighting rings. Yeesh."
This is my problem with this kind of discussion. People start flinging bombs all over the place.
I meant to say I have no problem with either of those things, I just stated they aren't as bad as people are screaming about and that dogs do, in fact, do worse to each other in the wild.
But hey, here it comes in a discussion on some other topic, and a disagreement and things have to get totally twisted out of any rational relationship to what was said before.
For what? Because you dislike a politician? Why does that have to end up some fistfight? This is the kind of thing that keeps libertarians from ever being a serious political force, because they get into massive fights over whether pot should be legalized, or should be legalized then regulated and taxed. Serious screaming matches that end friendships.
Seriously? This is where we want to go?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 11:59 AM (r4wIV)

549

<<I'll take your word for it. I just simply can't listen to Michael Stipe sing.>>

Stipe didn't actually sing for the first four albums, he mumbled, played the albums over and over. "WTF is he saying?"

Music was always great, or maybe rose colored glasses remembering my youth, Warren Zevon is the shit, which is why I love this album.

Wish there could have been more they were a great backup band for him.

Posted by: Finn McCool at August 20, 2012 11:59 AM (R/8dI)

550 how does pulling $5M in ads help the GOP? Obama is driving the country down a ditch while the media sits on the side of the road drinking a slurpee and we're concerned that there are real voters out there who are concerned about whether rape should be legalized?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 11:59 AM (QxSug)

551 thunderb:

He ain't going to drop. So we need to stand behind him now.

Replace him at the next nomination. That is the correct time for Republicans to be contesting against each other.

Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 11:59 AM (0aV2C)

552 But let a Repub make an ackward phrase.... and you take a pawn out of play, without the opponenet even having to make a move...

That's the sad reality. If you're running as a Republican you gotta be way smarter than the media and recognize up front that every interview you grant is a trap, every phrase you emit will be twisted unless you're super careful about phrasing stuff in the clearest unmistakable terms.

That this guys crime. He isn't sharp enough to handle the media.

Posted by: @PurpAv at August 20, 2012 11:59 AM (LK8M1)

553 Dem's have been hammering this phony "War On Women" bullshit, and now they can point at Akin and say, "See, we told you so!". And the subject of RAPE is involved? Akin has to go.

Posted by: Nukie at August 20, 2012 11:59 AM (AxE3L)

554

In this noxious position, the key to success must be kept in mind at all times. RETALIATE and get attention off you. Put it back where it belongs - on the enemy and his shortcomings. The Dems do this every time and somehow we still can't learn from it. Sheesh.

The dude should own up to his gaffe, and issue a clarification. Then, immediately attack. Show that the whole issue was cooked up to divert attention from "XYZ" issue that the other guy is weak on. Attack - always attack.

And if you are unable to find anything about a Dem to bash, then you're stupid and should get out of the race immediately. They are scum - all of them are easily attacked because they're bad people. The do and say bad things. Hit them, and hit them hard.

Posted by: Reactionary at August 20, 2012 12:00 PM (xUM1Q)

555 Stipe didn't actually sing for the first four albums, he mumbled, played the albums over and over. "WTF is he saying?"

---

Well, whatever it was, I'm sure it was whiny.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 20, 2012 12:00 PM (aHR5E)

556 Music was always great, or maybe rose colored glasses remembering my youth, Warren Zevon is the shit, which is why I love this album. Wish there could have been more they were a great backup band for him. Posted by: Finn McCool at August 20, 2012 03:59 PM (R/8dI) "Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner"

Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 20, 2012 12:00 PM (136wp)

557 He needs to withdraw.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at August 20, 2012 12:00 PM (GvYeG)

558 New Akin thread.

Posted by: Tami at August 20, 2012 12:00 PM (X6akg)

559 "So, the RNC turning a possible/probable loss into certain defeat?"
Well you know the GOP isn't fond of these upstarts. They never paid their dues and worked through the mainstream system, and they won't play along in the Senate with favor-mongering and sending that sweet earmark cash back to the district.
Better to lose office than lose control of the party.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 12:00 PM (r4wIV)

560 Now I'm going to have to fall back on my ownership of the Animal Logic disc to keep my obscure '80's side project street cred intact. Posted by: Jaws at August 20, 2012 03:55 PM (4I3Uo) ------- I have the Animal Logic II CD...

Posted by: fun stuff at August 20, 2012 12:01 PM (HOOye)

561

....Who is actually turned off by this?

-------------------------------------------

Unless you forgot your /sarc tag, women are turned off by rape and by men who opine on rape stupidly.

Unless this useless bag of brainless meat resigns now, rape is going to be the main topic of every single presidential debate. Remember during the republican debates when birth control became the topic? It's gonna be all rape all the time and that's why the republicans need to get this guy into the nearest soundproof room now.

Posted by: Boots at August 20, 2012 12:01 PM (neKzn)

562 i agree with people that the guy should drop out, for the first half of his comment. i just completely disagree that the GOP should act as though the economy is the sum of all political existence, like some people seem to want them to.

Posted by: JParker at August 20, 2012 12:01 PM (8HhF2)

563 "Stipe didn't actually sing for the first four albums, he mumbled, played the albums over and over. "WTF is he saying?"
I always got the impression they had the mic in another room for the singer. It was like he was a long ways off singing normally.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 12:01 PM (r4wIV)

564 Hannity is subtly trying to get Akin to drop out. Posted by: Nukie at August 20, 2012 03:53 PM (yU1Dt) You thought that was subtle? It seemed to me that hannity got disgusted cause he couldn't get him to see why he had to drop out. Seems for once he was glad to be "up against a hard break" so he could get Akin off the air so he wouldn't do anymore damage to himself and the republicans. He stressed his voting record, (I linked to it in the other thread, a lot of "didn't vote" on that record and he stressed his conservative creds. Now he's speaking about obamacare yet he introduced a bill that would make sure that there is no federal funding of abortion among the exchanges. Aren't the exchanges part of obamacare?

Posted by: cynder ella at August 20, 2012 12:01 PM (oZfic)

565 Tami: New Akin thread.

Good. I'll leave the socon-ficon cat fight behind here.

Posted by: Kristophr at August 20, 2012 12:01 PM (0aV2C)

566 how does pulling $5M in ads help the GOP?

Well, you can flush the $5M down the toilet in MO, or you can deploy it elsewhere in races that haven't been fucked up.

Posted by: @PurpAv at August 20, 2012 12:01 PM (LK8M1)

567 K, he is gonna drop. He is trying to get the GOP to retire his campaign debt before he pulls out. I am sure they will do that. Thats why they turned off the money spigot. GOP money - gone. Rove PAC money - gone. He knows he is leaving, he just doe not want to leave holding all that debt. Dead man walking

Posted by: thunderb at August 20, 2012 12:02 PM (Dnbau)

568 536 CT,

The difference is we are on a blog with neat socks. We screw up the reciprocal mutants at Kos get bothered. The situation is a little different in the big leagues. The difference is not fair but not being fair is not a magic suit of armor.

The MSM is in the most open collusion with the democrats it has been since Watergate. The NEA has indoctrinated 2 generations of voters in Planned Parenthood as BASELINE moral position. The democrats are allowed to run as pro-life(still voting aboriton if needed) to pro-choice like Barry and receive NO media pressure to do any explaining.

We can try to stop Obama or nobly expose media bias that has been very obvious for 16 years now at least. The "expose" play carries with it the risk that Barry hides his "work" as SCOAMF. Then the whole thing devolves to 2008 with slightly well no a lot less stupid at the top of our ticket.

The media will unashamedly speak of nothing but taxes and magic anti-rape uterine walls 'til the cows come home.

I did not Old Yeller Akin "legitimate, rape, abortion" did he old yellered himself.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 12:02 PM (LRFds)

569

"Careful. This is how hipster slap-fights get started."

Once I can manage to cram my 40-mumble-mumble ass into these here skinny jeans the beatings will commence.

Posted by: Jaws at August 20, 2012 12:02 PM (4I3Uo)

570

536 I wonder how many times people here have said something dumb or mistaken, and go 'dang that was stupid' later. Does that mean you're a complete knuckle dragging retard? Does that mean you believe in medieval medicine or should shut up about every topic, that you are some kind of complete retard?

I say plenty of dumb shit. I don't say dumb shit that easily gets twisted into "if you got pregnant from a rape then you weren't really raped."

Posted by: buzzion at August 20, 2012 12:02 PM (GULKT)

571 552: "We keep our bidens because why??" Because THEY keep THEIR Bidens! It's NOT FAIIIRRRR. That's the logic I'm seeing from some here. Akin needs to be a statistic, gone, out, now. A cautionary tale. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." (Catherine Aird)

Posted by: Jason M at August 20, 2012 12:02 PM (Be0fb)

572 559 how does pulling $5M in ads help the GOP? Obama is driving the country down a ditch while the media sits on the side of the road drinking a slurpee and we're concerned that there are real voters out there who are concerned about whether rape should be legalized?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at August 20, 2012 03:59 PM (QxSug)

Um did you actually read what you just wrote?

If you're having to explain and parse your position on rape, you are losing.

Posted by: Mætenloch at August 20, 2012 12:03 PM (pAlYe)

573 "We keep our bidens because why??"
Get back to me when he makes a 4 decade career out of regularly saying incredibly stupid stuff. And when you've never said something dumb or poorly stated under pressure that you regret.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 12:03 PM (r4wIV)

574 >>People are already getting sick of the "You didn't build that" attack and its only a few weeks old.

I'd like to see your evidence of that. I think you're just making things up to support Akin.

>>I wonder how many times people here have said something dumb or mistaken, and go 'dang that was stupid' later.

All of us. But most of us do not have years and years of experience speaking with reporters on broadcast television, knowing that you're going to be asked difficult, loaded questions and realizing, based on experience, that you must be measured and careful in your answers.

And most of the time, when we say something stupid, we recognize it almost immediately and try to correct it. We heard not a peep from Akin until he was getting hammered from all sides and the f*cking top of the ticket had to call his ass out.

And if you listened to his "explanation" on Hannity, you are likely dumber for having heard it. He wanted to pretend it never happened and would just go away. I have read your comments wherein you speculate what he was trying to say or what he meant. He would have been better served to read your comments before going on the air. He obviously didn't.

This guy hurt the party. He hurt Missourians. That is a fact. It may not be fair, but it is a fact. He will not win. His stubborness is selfish.

Posted by: angler at August 20, 2012 12:04 PM (SwjAj)

575 Seriously? This is where we want to go?

You buys your ticket you takes your chances. If you have a wildly unpopular opinion someone might notice.

Posted by: Compliance is futile at August 20, 2012 12:04 PM (KXm42)

576

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 20, 2012 03:57 PM (8y9MW)

That would be MAGNIFICENT. The noise would, of course, be horrific, but still. What a great thing.

That said, I still want my damn jet pack. We can miniaturize every tech out there, and still no jet pack. Sheesh.

Posted by: Reactionary at August 20, 2012 12:04 PM (xUM1Q)

577 573 Hannity is subtly trying to get Akin to drop out. Posted by: Nukie at August 20, 2012 03:53 PM (yU1Dt) You thought that was subtle? --------------------------------------- Subtle in that Hannity laid out the consequences of Akin staying in without asking him directly to drop out.

Posted by: Nukie at August 20, 2012 12:04 PM (AxE3L)

578

@564 yep

Anyway sorry for the OT, just got a kick about HLG in sidebar.

It's like longbows/crossbows except probably not as funny.

Posted by: Finn McCool at August 20, 2012 12:04 PM (R/8dI)

579 I think what really galls a lot of women, even those who would vote R is that it's a *guy* with no medical training spouting off about a triple tragedy he can never experience due to his gender.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 20, 2012 12:04 PM (dZ756)

580 " I don't say dumb shit that easily gets twisted into "if you got pregnant from a rape then you weren't really raped."
Dude, he didn't say something EASILY twisted into that, he said something the left gleefully twisted into that and too many on the right seem to want to play along with. The only reason that hasn't happened to you is that you're not challenging the power of someone on the left.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 12:04 PM (r4wIV)

581 @536. I think you are looking at this wrong. Certain gaffes are treated differently. And the same gaffe can be treated differently given the circumstances it was uttered. If this was simply a gaffe in the run up to a special election, then I think it would be enough for him to state that he mispoke and move on, especially when he would likely win. But that is not the case. If Akin had only said that he doesn't think their should be an exception for rape, then even though it is not politically popular, I think there would be less outcry or at least less justification for his removal. But once again, he expressed his minority opinion in such a dubm manner at a time it didn't need to be discussed, that it makes you question whether he should serve or not. Further, it has the potential to seriously damage the electoral prospects of the top of the ticket. I don't think his political career is over. And I think he is just negotiating his exit.

Posted by: SH at August 20, 2012 12:04 PM (gmeXX)

582 Batton down the hatches... my liberal friends are already passing around crap on facebook trying to tie Romney-Ryan to Akin, and of course Ryan's previous support on eliminating funding for abortions with tax-dollars. Having failed to gain traction on other issues, I'm betting this election just became about Rape.

Posted by: Rory at August 20, 2012 12:05 PM (IL9gH)

583 socons, ficons (? fiscons?,) national security cons...most of the reliable Republican base voters are full-spectrum conservatives to my knowledge. maybe some people in the party don't like that but it is what it is.

Posted by: JParker at August 20, 2012 12:05 PM (8HhF2)

584

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 03:59 PM (r4wIV)

The big difference is.....dogs in the wild have a chance to run, to run for their lives.

They are not forced to fight, by humans who are doing it for 'sport'.

Dogs that are tortured, then put into a pit....have no choice.

Posted by: wheatie at August 20, 2012 12:05 PM (mtRB0)

585 Wish there could have been more they were a great backup band for him.
Posted by: Finn McCool at August 20, 2012 03:59 PM (R/8dI)

There was; a single of the Easybeats song "Gonna Have A Good Time Tonight."

Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 20, 2012 12:05 PM (aHR5E)

586 Guy always was a pretentious pussy. Posted by: Finn McCool at August 20, 2012 03:49 PM (R/8dI) Yeahh kinda, but having worked with him professionally, he can be shy and will generously lend his talents to bands/enterprises he sees talent in. And speaking of Hindu Love Gods, I'll have to see if I have a Full Time Men album. (Keith Streng/Pete Buck)

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 20, 2012 12:06 PM (1JS3N)

587 "I wonder how many times people here have said something dumb or mistaken, and go 'dang that was stupid' later."

We're not talking about casual water cooler chat or dinner table conversation here.

We're talking about a guy who is in a contest for a crucially important Senate seat in a crucially important election year, who allows his interviewer to switch him off the main track into a hot-button side issue, and who then pops off with a meandering response which seems to indicate he's profoundly ignorant of how basic human reproductive biology works, as well as being dismissive of some rapes as being not "legitimate" ones, whatever the hell that means.

Words fail me in describing how amateurish and unacceptable that is.

Akin needs to have his financial oxygen cut off at once. The GOP needs to wash its hands of him, disavow his loopy comment, cast him into the outer darkness, and get an unstained contender into the race against McCaskill. Right away.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 20, 2012 12:06 PM (ymG7s)

588 Thanks for the offer! I had a crown put in last week and it was the very back tooth on the bottom right. My mouth is small (no comments please) and between working on the tooth in the back and the injections my ears and jaw just hurt. I called the dentist and he is going to prescribe some muscle relaxers if I need them. Posted by: mpfs in dental pain at August 20, 2012 03:59 PM (iYbLN) Soft foods. If it's the muscles and the bite is correct, it should pass in a few days.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 12:06 PM (05RcU)

589 Michael Stipe, Robert Smith (Cure), and Morrisey -- The Three Whiners

Posted by: SFGoth at August 20, 2012 12:06 PM (dZ756)

590

I don't think his political career is over if he resigns. It may be if he stays in and loses.

Posted by: SH at August 20, 2012 12:06 PM (gmeXX)

591 "I have read your comments wherein you speculate what he was trying to say or what he meant. He would have been better served to read your comments before going on the air. He obviously didn't."
Its possible he's just a fumbling retard but I doubt he'd get far in Missouri as a Republican were that the case. I just try to think what it would be like for me if I said something people reacted to like that and how fair it would be.
I mean, I pointed out that on the scale of bad deeds, dog fighting is pretty low for me and look at the reaction I get weeks later.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 12:06 PM (r4wIV)

592 Dude, he didn't say something EASILY twisted into that, he said something the left gleefully twisted into that and too many on the right seem to want to play along with. The only reason that hasn't happened to you is that you're not challenging the power of someone on the left.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 04:04 PM (r4wIV)

I don't find getting into a semantics argument about rape on the national stage to be a good idea. Excuse me for being pro-life with a functioning brain.

Posted by: buzzion at August 20, 2012 12:06 PM (GULKT)

593 This whole deal is bad. I think the cooler head of someone like MaMa Winger should settle it and we all just drop it.

Posted by: wierd flunky at August 20, 2012 12:07 PM (X+nFp)

594

I always got the impression they had the mic in another room for the singer. It was like he was a long ways off singing normally.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 04:01 PM (r4wIV)

When interviewed he said it was because he was shy, bullshit he thought he was being edgey and cool.

Guys a fricken douche

Posted by: Finn McCool at August 20, 2012 12:07 PM (R/8dI)

595 Per left-wing loonies at DailyKos, MO law gives anyone until a certain number of Tuesdays prior to the election to withdraw, which for Akin is tomorrow.

Posted by: capechik at August 20, 2012 12:08 PM (nMZz6)

596 588 SFGoth,

absolutely my wife no RINO was in awe of his boorishness and stupidity, not to the point we won't pull for Barry but she asked, "Huckabee"?

and she's Baptist.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 12:08 PM (LRFds)

597

There was; a single of the Easybeats song "Gonna Have A Good Time Tonight."

Never heard that.

Posted by: Finn McCool at August 20, 2012 12:09 PM (R/8dI)

598 Michael Stipe, Robert Smith (Cure), and Morrisey -- The Three Whiners

How could you leave Roger Waters off a list like that?

Posted by: Compliance is futile at August 20, 2012 12:09 PM (KXm42)

599 589 " I don't say dumb shit that easily gets twisted into "if you got pregnant from a rape then you weren't really raped."

Dude, he didn't say something EASILY twisted into that, he said something the left gleefully twisted into that and too many on the right seem to want to play along with. The only reason that hasn't happened to you is that you're not challenging the power of someone on the left.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 04:04 PM (r4wIV)

Sorry but I watched the actual interview and what he said strongly implied that women don't get pregnant from forcible rape ("rape-rape"). The contra-positive of this is that if a woman does get pregnant, then the one thing you know is that it wasn't due to 'legitimate rape'.

This isn't twisting his statement - it's Logic 101.

Posted by: Mætenloch at August 20, 2012 12:10 PM (pAlYe)

600

jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright

god you're a smug little jerk.

Posted by: Donna V. at August 20, 2012 12:11 PM (EflcN)

601 There was; a single of the Easybeats song "Gonna Have A Good Time Tonight."

Never heard that.

---

It's... ok. I prefer the cover that Jimmy Barnes did with INXS, though.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 20, 2012 12:12 PM (aHR5E)

602 I mean, I pointed out that on the scale of bad deeds, dog fighting is pretty low for me and look at the reaction I get weeks later.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 04:06 PM (r4wIV)

The damn do-gooder instinct is strong in Americans. It's sickening, but there it is. The drive to right every wrong, no matter how slight and unavoidable, drives them to a frenzy. Sadly - it carries over into politics, and turns America into what we have today.

Posted by: Reactionary at August 20, 2012 12:12 PM (xUM1Q)

603 609 I think there's a lot of that going on around here.

Posted by: wierd flunky at August 20, 2012 12:13 PM (X+nFp)

604

Michael Stipe, Robert Smith (Cure), and Morrisey -- The Three Whiners

Liked The Smith's not Morrisey, was older and responsible by then.

When you're 18 to 21 angst is fine by the time I was 25 had a wife and son, didn't have time for angst anymore.

Posted by: Finn McCool at August 20, 2012 12:13 PM (R/8dI)

605

IT WASN'T A GAFFE! It was utter stupidity. Rallying around this moron is ridiculous.

Posted by: exceller at August 20, 2012 12:15 PM (ROGMG)

606

Apparently the wacky biological views come from a group called Physicians for Life, who says: "Finally, factor in what is certainly one of the most important reasons why a rape victim rarely gets pregnant, and that's psychic trauma...To get and stay pregnant a woman's body must produce a very sophisticated mix of hormones. Hormone production is controlled by a part of the brain that is easily influenced by emotions. There's no greater emotional trauma that can be experienced by a woman than an assault rape. This can radically upset her possibility of ovulation, fertilization, and implantation."

Posted by: capechik at August 20, 2012 12:15 PM (nMZz6)

607 Posted by: capechik at August 20, 2012 04:15 PM (nMZz6) Even if this is true, and that's a big if, it doesn't help the cases where you actually do have a pregnant rape victim. I mean, they exist. The fact that women who are raped do not get pregnant that often (thank God) is beside the point in that instance.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 20, 2012 12:20 PM (csi6Y)

608 It just is weird to see on the blog where "FYNQ" was coined people saying he should blow up and die for a statement instead of saying "Deal with it, we have a problem in Washington that has to be fixed and McCaskill is exhibit A. You want her to be rewarded with reelection after what she did to this state and how she treated you?"
However it doesn't appear that this is Aiken's approach, he's grinding his face further down into the mire and that's just bad politics.
"The big difference is.....dogs in the wild have a chance to run, to run for their lives."
That is a good point, its rare animals get into a fight they cannot possibly flee unless they are facing a predator looking for a meal.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 12:21 PM (r4wIV)

609 I see your dusty old '80's awesomeness and raise you Lone Justice AND Maria McKee solo albums.

Posted by: Jaws at August 20, 2012 12:23 PM (4I3Uo)

610 But what about T'Pau?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 12:25 PM (r4wIV)

611

"But what about T'Pau?"

Meh. That actually got some airtime on the radio...anf way too poppy.

Posted by: Jaws at August 20, 2012 12:28 PM (4I3Uo)

612 Is it possible to do another primary or too late now thus leaving the seat open for DEM uncontested?

Posted by: oic at August 20, 2012 01:06 PM (jbVdR)

613 609 jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright
god you're a smug little jerk.

Posted by: Donna V. at August 20, 2012 04:11 PM (EflcN)

Now now dear. Watch that blood pressure.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 20, 2012 01:12 PM (ovpNn)

614 no argument that politically-speaking this was a huge blunder and a complete misstatement.

the quote: if itÂ’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
probably meant: pregnancy from criminal rape is rare and full-term pregnancy even rarer
msm interpretation: only non-rapes result in pregnancy
what he would have had to say to make that inference: no rape will ever result in pregnancy

the word "try" does mean something.

also, found that pregnancy from rape is pretty rare - 5% of rapes, and full-term pregnancy even rarer. i believe it was that icon of conservatism larry tribe who opined that rape (date rape specifically, if i remember) was the most misreported crime in america. i agree with what some have said here that there is incentive on the woman's part to call something rape that wasn't rape so i think that the "legitimate" or "criminal" rape statistics are distorted by this incentive.

Posted by: matt foley at August 20, 2012 01:15 PM (2WDMC)

615 There really are two issues behind what he said. One is the whole "...the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down...," which is absurdly incorrect science and, if it's following from the Physicians for Life statement (see Comment 615), is some of the most sick "blaming the victim" I've ever seen. They claim that if the woman is sufficiently emotionally traumatized, her hormones will prevent her from getting pregnant? So, what's the implication if she DOES get pregnant? She wasn't traumatized by the attack? That's severely fucked up. No getting around or defending him/them on that one.

Posted by: capechik at August 20, 2012 01:32 PM (nMZz6)

616 The other issue, that you're hearing more about on the left, is the notion of "legitimate rape." It's the reason Obama said, "Rape is rape." The left is harkening back to some of the bills introduced earlier to stop taxpayer funding of abortion. If you remember, they were shouted down from including language about exempting "forcible rape."

There are some very valid questions that get buried when morons like Akin make foolish statements like he did. Like... If you are saying there is no taxpayer funding for abortion, except in cases of rape, does that include statutory rape? So any teenage girl under the age of consent (which varies a LOT from place to place) is covered, even if there was no force? Does it cover a pregnancy resulting from rape at any stage of the pregnancy--like a late-term abortion of a viable baby that would otherwise be illegal can get paid for legally with tax dollars if the girl says she really didn't want to but she passed out? Thanks to this Akin hoopla and his "magical female body off-button" nonsense, it's gonna be a long time before can touch those issues without being glued to him.

Posted by: capechik at August 20, 2012 01:34 PM (nMZz6)

617 Wow, Capechik you're just a festival of strawmen, aren't you?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2012 04:28 PM (r4wIV)

618 I voted for Aiken in the primary, because I believed that he represented most of my goals for the country. The remarks that he stated were so unreal, that I could never vote for him. I have been a life long republican. Anyone with no knowledge of female anatomy in 2012 cannot represent in the senate. You have lost my vote Todd Aiken Drop Out!

Posted by: maureenwerner at August 20, 2012 05:48 PM (hzKwf)

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