1 Thanks:

Good Morning Morons. Today is Thursday (ThorÂ’s Day for you Moronettes who liked the movie with the hunk), January 19^th, 2012. On this day in 1807 General Robert E. Lee was born.  About the same number of links and posts today folks, but there are some long comments. Be patient.

2

Fox runs competing "opinion" pieces on Keystone

This is the one former a self-described progressive community activist.  Note that the article in favor of the pipeline was a former CO Congressman. The so-called community organizer gives 6 outrageous lies as to why the pipeline was a bad deal. Could Fox not find a “former Democrat” congressman to speak out against Keystone?  Here are some samples from this scruntÂ’s other opinion pieces from her website.

First her “about statement”:

Sally Kohn makes the world safe for radical ideas. As a veteran community organizer turned political commentator, Sally makes complex political issues accessible for everyday audiences. Sally is a grassroots strategist actively engaged in movement building for equality and justice

"equality and justice” among community organizers is just a code word for commies.  Now these are links to “opinions” but I have removed the links because they are not tiny url or equivalent. If you want to read more lies and ravings from a commie that Fox regularly gives a podium to feel free to go over there.

>>  Reuters: “One Nation, Underemployed”
>>  Washington Post:  Â”President Obama shouldnÂ’t be afraid of a little class warfare”
>>  FoxNews.com: “Occupy Wall St: ItÂ’s Not What TheyÂ’re For, But What TheyÂ’re Against”
>>  CNN.com: “Protesters: TodayÂ’s ‘RiotersÂ’, TomorrowÂ’s Righteous”

3 Thanks again for the links and commentary, Vic. Like a cup of coffee for the brain, without having to clean up spilled grounds.

4

More insanity from the forces of evil trying to tear down real religion in this country

Ordinarily I wouldnÂ’t post links to this kind of crap because it has become so common but it touches home somewhat. My youngest brother is a member of the Gideon society and has worked with distributing bibles in the same manner as this.  The current status of court rulings allows this practice as long two conditions are met, (1) all religions are given equal access and (2) The school is only “passively involved” meaning that school officials may not make announcements, pass them out, similarly encourage their use.

From what I can tell the woman who was “offended” because her son brought an evil bible home, most likely under her orders, is a practicing witch. She brough materials to school for like distribution. Unfortunately for her they were books on “spell casting” or some such shit as that. Most rational people would not consider that a book describing the Wikin “religion”.

The school board is currently in the process of just halting it all. No more Gideon bibles because if we have them we must allow the school distribute spells for students. BTW, the local paper has quotes from two local pastors urging restraint. It seems the locals are not very happy with this either.

5 Is anyone else getting even more pissed that lefties are all up in arms about SOPA where the government might take over a website but are all in favor of then government taking over their healthcare? These fucks want a huge intrusive government, i hope they choke on it.

6

Latest on the Newt ex-wife saga from Drudge

Not much change since last night except they are now reporting release on Thursday night BEFORE the primary. IÂ’m sure the big civil war was over when to air it in order to do the most damage. I suspect that it is full of old material just being rehashed which is why they leaked the PR crap to Drudge because the speculation will do more damage than the actual show.  (Which will also be full of lies and distortions, after all the MFM has a reputation to uphold).  Now they will do it like an Oct surprise. Must have added some more lies that canÂ’t be fought against in time for the election. October surprise in January.

Personally I am still considering PalinÂ’s advise and am waiting for a later reputable poll before Sat.  I will not allow this BS to sway my decision. I donÂ’t like Newt but if we can shut the MFM up about the inevitability of Mutt when he only has 12 delegates that would be good. As it stands right now if he splits the SC delegates with Newt that will not help him much at. It is this stupid momentum meme that they are pushing.

7 The southern generals were always overrated. Arguably the most effective US general from the the Revolution was Nathaniel Greene, and from the Civil War, Sherman. As a grand strategist, Lee was a failure and Grant, for all the alcohol, brilliant.

8

Dangerous 'Possum causes evacuation of "D" Train in NYC

LOL, NYT had this story linked from Drudge so I did you Morons a favor and went and found it elsewhere.  From what can gather the baby possum wasnÂ’t really dangerous. If it had rabies it would have been fearless around the passengers and would have tried attacking them in some instances. They evacuated the train car anyway.

9

More race baiting from the kings of racism the NAACP.

It seems that the evil Microsoft is developing software for smart phone navigation programs that allow consumers to avoid traveling through high crime areas where they may be car-jacked etc. The Dallas chapter of the NAACP is once again offended because this is racist. I guess Microsnot is “red-lining” travel now.

This not only makes the NAACP racists against non-blacks, but also racist against blacks because now they are openly accusing blacks of have all the high crime rate areas. They are shooting their own feet, but I am sure you will not hear any of that from the MFM.

10 OK which one of you Moronettes was involved with this couple of fine upstanding PA citizens who tried to blow up a car with flaming tampons?

11

AK calling off sled races due to snow and cold

This doesnÂ’t bode well for isolated towns. Recall what the sled races are originally based on.

12 Off, McSock!

13

SC Republican Treasure endorsed Mutt and now reports getting a LOT of flack from voters (could this be a better poll that what we are seeing?).

I suspect Nikki Haley is as well. His excuse is the BS electability meme.

Here is a poll from the sidebar from Rdbrewer linked to HA on a poll that hasnÂ’t shown up at RCP

14

It has to happen; national photo icon Kodak files for Chapter 11

The people in Rochester have been reeling from this companyÂ’s problems for years now. Well folks up there in upstate it is about to get worse.  I also suspect a lot of their problems are due to expense union retirement contracts. Of course USA Today will never publish that.

15

USA offloads on Gingrich's tax plan

I spoke on this the other day. The Mutt statement (which is quoted here) is effective federal tax rate, not his marginal tax rate. Newt made one of his statements about his plan and didnÂ’t everyone want a 15% flat tax. I took him at his word and said a 15% flat tax would be a massive tax increase for most people.

Well according to this his flat tax is NOT flat. People still get a personal deduction and mortgage/charity write-offs. And capital gains, interest, and dividends would go to ZERO tax rate. (Note if you have “qualifying dividends” under the current Bush tax cuts dividends and capital gains are at zero already for the lowest tax bracket. Most of my dividends are not qualified)

Just to provide some education to the Morons population I used my tax program to calculate a few scenarios to illustrate the difference between marginal tax rates and effective tax rates.  Here are the current marginal tax rates

Single filer, just out of school less than 5 years on the job, assume annual gross salary of $40K, standard deduction no children. total federal income tax $3783 for an EFFECTIVE tax rate of 9.45%. This while his marginal tax rate is 25%.

Joe gets married wife works and he has one kid. Combined salary is now $60K per year. Still no deductions. But assume childcare at $5/hr 40 hrs/week 50 weeks for $10,000. So that gives them a LOT of credits. 1^st $1,000 child credit (Bush), $600 child care credit (Bush) + $800 MWP giveaway (Obama).

total federal income tax $5626 for an EFFECTIVE tax rate of 4%. This while his marginal tax rate is still 25%.

Joe and Jane have another kid and buy a house. Both get raises as they are now realizing the American dream. Joe now up to $80K while Jane is now up to $25K for a total gross income of $105K. Assume bought house w/ 10K interest and 6K pp. Plus property tax. (assume he lives inside city limits in SC so total property tax comes to about $2,000 on his small house, also has $1,000 property tax on two cars)  ASSUME $7,000 In state income tax. Now much more dependent care and a lot of deductions. total federal income tax $2414 for an EFFECTIVE tax rate of 5.4%. This while his marginal tax rate is still 28%.

IÂ’ll stop here because the post is getting too long and we are at the top of wat I would call middle class. But, as you can see, the bottom line is that a pure 15% flat tax for the overwhelming majority of people is NOT a good deal and that it takes an awful lot to get to an EFFECTIVE tax rate of 15%. Note also that single people still take it in the shitter, but not to the point that they want a flat tax unless they make it up in to the single yuppie category.

Note also that this does not include FICA, SSDI etc nor State taxes. We were talking federal income tax alone and NewtÂ’s flat tax does not appear to do anything with those taxes.

16 Dangerous Possum would make a great name for a bluegrass band.

17

Surprise, USA attacks Obama on Keystone

Even bigger surprise, Washington Post attacks it

What is this? I take it they are supporting the unions here and not Obama. The Dems in congress appear to be “silent”, which means they also support the pipeline and are probably privately fuming.

18

The State speculates where the SC military and vet vote is going to go this time

They tout the last election with McCain winning and getting that vote. I say hold your horses fools! Did McCain really win, maybe if you consider just over 30% a win. I suspect most of the real military votes will be voting absentee in their home States anyway. But the real kicker here is that the only two vets in the race are Perry and Crazy Uncle. They say Perry is out so perhaps crazy uncle will get all those votes? I throw the Bull Shit flag for a 100 yard penalty for unnecessary stupid. Ah, but they fight back with this:

Mitt RomneyÂ’s campaign will counter today with the endorsement of two other Medal of Honor recipients: Sgt. John F. Baker Jr. of Richland County and Capt. John James McGinty.

Got to push the Mutt, the desired liberal candidate of the liberal Dem PR rag here.

BTW, while at chemo yesterday I was in a room full of females with me the only male. I offered no political opinions, other than The View which I was forced to listen to while reading, in which I said watching that show decreased IQ points by 100 for every hour watched (they laughed). But the uniform opinion of everyone there was “we are tired of this shit and ready for all of them to leave”. I doubt seriously if anyone in that room will vote in the primary other than me.

19 DRUDGE SIREN: HUMAN REMAINS FOUND IN MASS GRAVE
behind Gingrich's church

20

More good PR for Obamacare - Brit Docs to go on strike!

21

The Telegraph is trying to do a Shorpy

Check out the photo essay on DickinsonÂ’s London

22 DRUDGE SIREN: POLLUTION SCANDAL IN WOODS OUTSIDE GINGRICH'S HOME!
it could just be bear poo, but . . .

23

Here's the biggest reason why the mild Winter this year is GOOD.

Even as other commodities are going through the roof, natural gas prices are dropping like a rock. Would it be so for gasoline prices to do that. But instead they are reflecting a 40% drop in domestic production since Commiebama took office. (Think about the magnitude of that number)

24

Almost missed this notice - HARKEN - Barret Jackson this weekend! Usually starts Friday

Speed Channel coverage starts Friday at noon (EST).

25

Fox just announced a story that ‘Pockiston” will allow our supply trucks to restart….IF we pay them tariffs.

26

Fox also doing a story about NY killing farmers with taxes and regulation.

That reminded me of one of the Morons from that area telling me about how the upstate area political makeup had changed from largely conservative to largely liberal. When I was there it was mostly farmers and it surprised me having came there from GA via Maryland. I expected much more liberal but it was mostly farmers and horse people and mostly conservative.

I guess now not so much.

 

That is it for the news.

27 How'd your trip to the city go, Vic? More poison?

28 Gotta go for a few. Promised wifey I would do sausage biscuits this morning and she is up now - EARLY!

29 How'd your trip to the city go, Vic? More poison?

Of course, that is the purpose of the trip, but gotta go.

30 chemjeff, yeah, me too. This howling windstorm has been blasting outside since yesterday afternoon. It woke me up at 4:20 AM today (and not in a good way). So that's a few hours of sitting alone in the dark before work. Yay.

31 I could get started on writing a horror novel, I guess.

32

I'd get up early for sausage biscuits too.

33 A quick look at the temperatures in Fairbanks from Vic's link about the cancelled sled dog race: -22 today, -37 tonight, and a balmy -16 tomorrow. Let's hear it for global warming.

34 Newsflash:  CoolCzech and his sock no longer welcome below the Mason-Dixon Line, charged with egregious blasphemy.

35 36 Newsflash:  CoolCzech and his sock no longer welcome below the Mason-Dixon Line, charged with egregious blasphemy.

Posted by: Alamo at January 19, 2012 07:13 AM (wQmDt)

Heh. Yeah, that'll get you The Look in a lot of places in Virginia to this very day. Lee's triumph was doing a lot with not much. He was an awesome tactician and motivator of men, but not much of a strategist.

36 And now it's off to mine some salt.

37 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

38 Obama just took a stab at American energy independence and her relationship with Canada... But all MSNBC deems fit to talk about is Romney saying a few hundred grand in speaker fees wasn't much money. Amazing. Anyone know how much more money Bloomberg has than Romney? What HIS effective tax rate is? What island HIS money is sheltered on? But, Bloomy is a liberal more or less, so in NYC, a place with more welfare recipients than just about anywhere else, it doesn't seem to manner. That said, Romney needs to devise a strategy to deal with this better than the SCOAMF way he has to date, or we are truly screwed come November. Fucking Newt is not the answer - just an angry firebrand that keeps saying ANYTHING to get elected. Santorum just doesn't have any real panache... Can't seem to catch on. Who does that leave, if even Romney turns into a campaign SCOAMF?

39 Uh, manner s/b "matter" in the last comment.

40

CC,

We are all in with Mitt, not that I'm happy about it, I'm just facing reality.  The VP choice is now paramount.  Filling in all of the blanks that Mitt lacks is critically important; number one must be a true fiscal conservative, number two must passionately articulate that message. 

Rubio, Jindal, Ryan?

41
I expected much more liberal but it was mostly farmers and horse people and mostly conservative.

I guess now not so much.

 

That is it for the news.

Posted by: Vic at January 19, 2012 07:04 AM (YdQQY)

The hippies took over. I swear I had a deja vu to the 70's last time I was there. It seemed like every shop and store out in the sticks had an airbrushed sign. They never got over Watkins Glen.

42 They called the police to help get the opossum off the train car but the opossum hissed at them and they ran away screaming like little girls.  Then they get the idea to call animal control.

43 2 The so-called community organizer gives 6 outrageous lies as to why the pipeline was a bad deal.
__________

Yeah, well, Juan Williams just said a few minutes ago (when faced with a map showing pretty much all of the country being covered by oil pipelines of one sort or another) that it's the *type* of oil that's a problem. Because oil from Canadian tar sands is just so much more dangerous than any other type of oil.

44 @36.  Yeah.  Thought CoolCzech had more class than that.

45 Heh. Yeah, that'll get you The Look in a lot of places in Virginia to this very day. Lee's triumph was doing a lot with not much. He was an awesome tactician and motivator of men, but not much of a strategist.

Posted by: joncelli at January 19, 2012 07:16 AM (+MbqG)

Back, I cheated used canned biscuits cause wife has to leave and I was in the dog house not getting them started earlier.

But Lee was an outstanding strategist. His probelm was the same problem the rest of the military had in Vietnam. The overall strategy was determined from the (Southern WH) by someone who was basically incompetent in military strategy even though he was a graduate of West Point.

Lee wanted to move North immediately after the initial victories which is always the right thing to do. Instead he was held back by the politicians.

As for Grant and Sherman BS. Grant was hi-diddle-diddle right up the middle attacked a vastly outnumbered and undermanned foe, yet he lost troops out the ass. 

Sherman was fighting essentially civilians after he passed Atlanta.

This is my only post on this subject. They always degenerate into flame wars.

46

Who does that leave, if even Romney turns into a campaign SCOAMF?

If? He's already there. He really needs advisors with a spine.

I kept waiting for McLame to come out swinging against the SCOAMF, there was way too much low hanging fruit for him to ignore about the SCOAMF's past associations, but ignore it McLame did.

I'm getting that same feeling again with Mitt. He could, if he chose to, answer each and every question with, "Why aren't we talking about Obama's debt reaching 100% of GDP and how that's impacting the economy?" or "Why aren't we talking about Obama's refusal to approve the Keystone pipeline, which would employ thousands of Americans during a time of high unemployment and help reduce our dependency on hostile foreign governments?"

I keep getting the sinking feeling that with Mitt, we're getting McLame II.

47

On the pipeline deal, did anyone see Kirsten Powers the other day stating that the SCoaMF was right to delay the pipeline because of the danger to the "Aquafier".  Yeah, she repeatedly referred to the "aquafier".

I swear you could drive nails with her head.

48 ...*type* of oil that's a problem. Because oil from Canadian tar sands is just so much more dangerous than any other type of oil.

Posted by: Anachronda at January 19, 2012 07:27 AM (6fER6)

No...really???...that's weapons grade stupid.

49 OK, y'all, back to the salt mine for me. Have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?

50 If there is any real justice in the world Sherman is still getting the barbed cock of Satan up the a** every day.

51 DNC Chair Poodles is now starting to walk back her ardent support of SOPA. "Seriously, WTF, fellow libs? We thought you all loved it when the government gets all up in your rectum like this!" her spox was reported to say after Cesar the Dog Whisperer translated her irate barks and growls.

52 My wife get our healthcare through a her employer. A wealthy ct town's board of Ed. Taxes there are pretty friction high. It's a pretty nice Cadillac health plan with Anthem. Despite this, Walgreens and Anthem culd not agree on copayment terms. We now how to go to rite aid. Did I tell you about my 45 minute wait at rite aid last night? I fault neither anthem or Walgreens. Rather, the govermenr makes it impossible for a Cadillac plan to be a BMW. Rather the Cadillac plans of today seem to be built by government motors.

53 That new poll in the sidebar jives with what PPP was saying last night, claiming that in their first evening of polling they saw it neck and neck between Romney and Gingrich with support for Santorum evaporating and going almost entirely to Gingrich.

54 They called the police to help get the opossum off the train car but the opossum hissed at them and they ran away screaming like little girls.

Yeah, you can tell it was NYC when they called it an "Opossum". Nobody in the South calls it an Opossum.

55 Because oil from Canadian tar sands is just so much more dangerous than any other type of oil.

Posted by: Anachronda at January 19, 2012 07:27 AM (6fER6)

For the life of me I can not understand why Juan #Williams gets a soap box. He is even more stupid than most Journalism school people.

56

No...really???...that's weapons grade stupid. Posted by: billygoat at January 19, 2012 07:35 AM

Juan Williams has always been weapons-grade stupid, even -- especially! -- when conservatives were lionizing him because NPR fired his ass.

He's like the little kid who knows a few big words but doesn't know their meanings, as he stumbles, bumbles and babbles like someone affected with Liberal Tourettes Syndrome.

Another triumph for Affirmative Action!

57 Headline from an alternate universe: 50% OF PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE'S EX-WIVES NOT WILLING TO DISH DIRT AT BEHEST OF OPPONENTS; ex-community organizers/state senators/(D) party U.S. senate candidates hardest hit

58 I fault neither anthem or Walgreens. Rather, the govermenr makes it impossible for a Cadillac plan to be a BMW. Rather the Cadillac plans of today seem to be built by government motors.

Posted by: Commenter at January 19, 2012 07:38 AM (xHenH)

I have had great luck at WalMart. And on top of that if you get your doctor to change your prescriptions to drugs on their $4 plan you can get them for $4 w/o insurance. 

But the great thing is you can file your prescriptions with them then phone them in or "internet them in" the day before and just go down and pick them up.

59

Not much change since last night except they are now reporting release on Thursday night BEFORE the primary. IÂ’m sure the big civil war was over when to air it in order to do the most damage.

 

 

DingDingDing

60
The tar sand oil is an extremely heavy crude. I think they have to dilute it with lighter VOCs to pump it through pipelines. So it is different but I can't see how it's dangerously different.

61 The real problem with the pipeline is that the 40% reduction in domestic crude that I referenced above is NOT an accident.

Also, the greens in Canada who are fighting it hasve already been identified as a Soros organization. It would not surprise me that if the press did a little bit of "investigating" here you would find the same thing.

Also, perhaps they would ask "American citizen" Soros about his accounts in tax havens like the Caymen Islands.

62 FTR, Robert E. Lee was born on this day in 1807.

63 Romney DID NOT WIN IOWA.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at January 19, 2012 07:47 AM (phlKA)

Been listening to that all morning on Fox. One of the "ironies" is that when Mutt won by 8 he won. Now that Santoroum won by 38 they are "co-winners"per the Iowa Republican Party.

No there is no "establishment pushing Romney". But there are sure a lot of these little things that keep cropping up. Reminds me of the MFM.

64

FTR, Robert E. Lee was born on this day in 1807.

I blame the Find function for not picking that up in post #1.  Yay, it's no coffee Thursday!

65 ...So it is different but I can't see how it's dangerously different.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 19, 2012 07:46 AM (7+pP9)

Exactly, it is still a petro product...period.  If (IF) there were to be a pipe rupture, you would still deal with it as a petro spill. 

Personally, I'm happy with Odipshit's decision...$4+/gallon Summer gasoline will kill his (already slim) reelection hopes.

66 Romney DID NOT WIN IOWA. Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at January 19, 2012 07:47 AM

But...but...it's his turn! He's the Inevitable Candidate! No one can derail The Mutt!

Is it just me in tinfoil-hat-land, or does anyone else see the hand of the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at work in the "revelations" about The Mutt (offshore accounts! OH NOES!) and The Newt (one of his exes doesn't like him! YIKES!)?

I don't really give a damn about these so-called issues (there are plenty of real reasons to not nominate either one of these losers), but recall that dirt-dumping and various kinds of voter manipulation/fraud have been the hallmarks of his past election "strategies." Seems to me it's a case of "you can't teach an old communist new tricks."

67 Also, perhaps they would ask "American citizen" Soros about his accounts in tax havens like the Caymen Islands.

Posted by: Vic at January 19, 2012 07:49 AM (YdQQY)

Morning Vic -- ain't that the truth...who gives a shit about mutt and his millions in offshore accounts.  I will bet all that he is well within US tax laws in doing this AND it is a widely used practice by those with serious dollars.

68 FTR, Robert E. Lee was born on this day in 1807.

Posted by: Nash Rambler at January 19, 2012 07:50 AM (oxgwp)

That's what  said??? Both Wiki and answers come say 1807.

69

I blame the Find function for not picking that up in post #1.  Yay, it's no coffee Thursday!

Posted by: Nash Rambler at January 19, 2012 07:51 AM (oxgwp)

OK, sorry I thought you were questioning the 1807 date.

70 BTW folks, I apologize for all the excessive typos today. When on "the pump" my fingers refuse to obey signals.

71

they find a voting error post election for mitt=mitt wins by 8.....

/steve hayes:"hey,a win is a win"

 

they recount the whole damned thing and based on everything they have to count(except some pesky missing precincts...lol)...santorum ahead by 34 =split decision tie....

 

just give in folks....it`s a done deal...

 

and btw,this should stick a fork in iowa ever going first again....it`s a fericking disgrace...

 

 

 

72 I am beginning to think that he is not going to win SC either despite all these BS polls.

73 Of course, that is the purpose of the trip, but gotta go.

Posted by: Vic at January 19, 2012 07:08 AM (YdQQY)

Just explain to them that you could sit on your porch and drink poison all day -- poison that agrees with you.

74 fericking=fricking...(no more rum and coke over grapenuts at 7 a.m.)

75

Just explain to them that you could sit on your porch and drink poison all day -- poison that agrees with you.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 19, 2012 08:04 AM (nEUpB)

Damn wouldn't that be nice. I would heap much rather send that money to Jim Beam than to doctors. As for health, wasn't it Willie Nelson that said "There's more old drunks than there are old Doctors so lets have another round".

76

I won't argue the merits of Gen. Sherman's ability as a soldier (IMO, he was great) but he did provide these wonderful quotes;

I hate newspapermen. They come into camp and pick up their camp rumors and print them as facts. I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are. If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast."

Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster.   If nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve.
  If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking.    

77 Posted by: Vic at January 19, 2012 08:06 AM (YdQQY)

Ever here the story about Churchill?

After he left office, he went to his physician (a famous English doctor) for an annual checkup.

The doctor sat down with Churchill and explained unequivocally that he must stop drinking and he must stop smoking.

Churchill stood up, put on his hat, said, "good day, doctor," and walked out of the office.

78

I need to work on my editing skilz.

By the way, I bet the Saudi's are behind the Keystone pipeline cancellation. The House of Saud find the Enviromental movement very useful. Follow the money.

79 Churchill stood up, put on his hat, said, "good day, doctor," and walked out of the office.

LOL, never heard that one. I had doctors though telling me for years to quit smoking.

80

Sally Kohn makes the world safe for radical ideas. As a veteran community organizer

enough said

81 The tar sand oil is an extremely heavy crude.

Oh noes, it will sink into the AquaFilter quickly.  The pipeline will oppress the dirt!!!

82 Iowa GOP: We Lost Too Many Votes To Know Who Really Won

Posted by: chemjeff at January 19, 2012 08:15 AM (7FadD)

Good Lord! These folks should NEVER be allowed to go first again. As I have been saying the whole system needs to be revamped to the reddest States first. If not that, at least swap the red vs blue state totals prior to the Super Tuesday run.

83

Why did the chicken cross teh road?

To prove to the 'possum that it could be done!

84 Iowa is history and no one gives a crap what happened there.

85 The Kennedys have always had offshore accounts and the Pelosis' stash theirs offshore.  Come on MFM don't tell half the story.

86 Does it strike anyone else as peculiar that not only are the GOP candidates being vetted, which is ultimately a good thing I suppose, but are being destroyed!

Most of these candidates will never be able to run for dog catcher let alone
as President.

What does this bode for a Rubio or a Rand or similar GOP candidates?

87 Dangerous Possum would make a great name for a bluegrass band.

Posted by: Lord and King Barrance of the SCOAMF, Slayer of Freedoms at January 19, 2012 07:01 AM (d0Tfm)

They could tour with the Dreadful Snakes.

88 As each Republican candidate rises above the crowd, the scumbag media destroys them. We are being maneuvered to have Mitt as the candidate with the same result as last time.

89 As for health, wasn't it Willie Nelson that said "There's more old drunks than there are old Doctors so lets have another round".

Yea but Willie always burns one before he get's out his abacus.

90 I am cautiously optimistic that the cancellation of the pipeline, coupled with expensive fuel this summer will damage the JEF's prospects.

The attack ads will write themselves. Now all we need to do is find some organization that has some vested interest in the outcome of the election and is willing to play bare-knuckle politics.

I can't think of any though.

91 To New Yorkers a 'possum must look like a mutant rat caused by evil Republican chemical testing.

92 Actually, I suspect the real reason why Santorum & Romney are declared "split decision winners" in Iowa is because Iowa GOP is incompetent

Iowa GOP: We Lost Too Many Votes To Know Who Really Won

Posted by: chemjeff at January 19, 2012 08:15 AM (7FadD)

Us too! Us too!

93 That scoamf chose the greens over the unions in the Keystone matter is not surprising when you consider that they gave up on the white working class voter. Nonetheless, the union heads will still support him, and we can only hope the rank and file don't fall for it again.

94 Yea but Willie always burns one before he get's out his abacus.

Posted by: DaveA at January 19, 2012 08:24 AM (XFxB5)

LOL, you rekon' he's a Paulbot?

95

Anyone know how much more money Bloomberg has than Romney? What HIS effective tax rate is? What island HIS money is sheltered on?

Oh for the sake of goodness.

We all know why Bloomy gets a pass and Mutt doesn't - because Bloomy's tribe doesn't recognize Mutt's tribe.

Sheesh.

Get with the program, folks.

Seriously.

 

96 Only Opossums ride high speed trains. They are all marxist and easily confused.

97

Real fuckin nice!...One of the ladies just got a delivery of heating oil...wait for it...4.45/gal.

Welcome to the new normal. 

Morn' all.

 

98 43 I expected much more liberal but it was mostly farmers and horse people and mostly conservative. I guess now not so much. That is it for the news. Posted by: Vic at January 19, 2012 07:04 AM (YdQQY) The hippies took over. I swear I had a deja vu to the 70's last time I was there. It seemed like every shop and store out in the sticks had an airbrushed sign. They never got over Watkins Glen. Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 19, 2012 07:25 AM (7+pP9) Outside Austin the same thing happens; The traffic and the taxes force folks out into the Countryside where they immediately vote to raise taxes on themselves and the Conservatives who have been invaded. Idiots.

99 They are all marxist and easily confused.

LOL, and this one was young as well. Does the "D" train go to Zucotti Park or would he have to get a transfer?

We'll have to ask ace later.

100

Nonetheless, the union heads will still support him, and we can only hope the rank and file don't fall for it again.

All the "union heads" are also tribe-members, and we here at the tribe are quite proud about that.

 

101 We'll have to disagree on that chemjeff. There are just too many indicators both large and small.

102 Oh noes, it will sink into the AquaFilter quickly.  The pipeline will oppress the dirt!!!

Posted by: DaveA at January 19, 2012 08:16 AM (XFxB5)

NEVER FEAR...AQUAMAN IS HERE!!!

103 LOL, and this one was young as well. Does the "D" train go to Zucotti Park or would he have to get a transfer?

We'll have to ask ace later.

Posted by: Vic at January 19, 2012 08:32 AM (YdQQY)

Not a big fan of possums (they make a mess in my bird feeders too regularly), but I bet even a possum would think twice about setting foot (prehensile tail?) in an OWS camp. Even possums have standards.

104 On the unions and the pipeline, I said the other day the unions were taking it in the shitter because Obama knows, like blacks, they are in his back pocket. They may sit at home if the unions wards and bosses don't come around and prod them in the ass, but they will NEVER vote for a Republican unless something like Reagan comes along.

105 Why should Iowa declare a winner when 8 precincts cannot verify their vote totals? The real issue is not who won Iowa, but that Iowa is too incompetent to be the first caucus. The people in those 8 precincts are basically disenfranchised.

106

I get a little tired of the nutburger tinfoil hattery that is on our side.

say it with me chem: Romney Derangment Syndrome

107 Too bad about CoolCzech

108 Not a big fan of possums (they make a mess in my bird feeders too regularly)

I had problems with squirrels in my bird feeders until I got a new type of pole that is constructed from a single steel rod (thin) up about 6 feet and then branches off with hangers.

I attached a squirrel block onto that and voella, no more pesky squirrels.

109 Speaking of Newt and his warts (he's got plenty), I just sent him another contribution. It's probably money down a rat hole at this point, but I figured his thorough spanking of Juan Williams the other night was worth at least one more. And the BS with Drudge carrying Romney's water yet again clinched it for me. The Transom newsletter guy says the wife interview stuff is the exact same stuff that was in an interview she did years ago. Not a bit of "news" in it.

110 Ya know, this could go in many directions.

111 I saw a big ol 'possum run across my front yard a couple of days ago.  Didn't think much of it.  Even the dogs just yawned.  A 'possum will eat a snake so I count them as good guys.  Wish they would stay out of the road tho.

112 LOL, you rekon' he's a Paulbot?

I dunno, next time a trooper tries a Willie Sutton pullover on the tour bus they should just keep driving til he has to give up and go to the donut shop though.

113 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

114 Yeah, he has been busted a few times on that.

115 They may sit at home if the unions wards and bosses don't come around and prod them in the ass, but they will NEVER vote for a Republican unless something like Reagan comes along.

Maybe it's just Texas, but I don't see that, personally.  Even the union members I know tend to vote R or stay home, rather than vote D. 

Of course, I don't know that many union members, so that may also have something to do with it.

116 Big possum likes to parade up and down my back fence at night. I figured he was one of my son's friends from Morgantown who had followed him home for Christmas.

117 Anyone who would vote for a Mormon OR a Wiccan for anything, including dogcatcher, doesn't know much about either cult.

118 Of course, I don't know that many union members, so that may also have something to do with it.

Yeah, I was talking mainly about the States with heavy union presence. Keep in mind that they basically delivered NV to Harry the baboon.

119 OK read the headlines about Newt's ex-wife. Seems like a bitter women and a bitter network airing warmed over old facts already in evidence. I wonder if they will have an interview with The Rev Wright next?

120 I like Obama's excuse for rejecting the pipeline: 60 days is not enough time to review it. And that, in a nutshell, is why America is in the state it's in. The thing has already been reviewed once.

121 So, did the HQ have a post about the lady who got through security at DFW Airport with a hand-gun and I just missed it?  I'm just thinking the story has plenty of snark potential.

122 So, did the HQ have a post about the lady who got through security at DFW Airport with a hand-gun and I just missed it?  I'm just thinking the story has plenty of snark potential.

Not yet.

123 OK Chemjeff, Romney isn't the choice of the GOP establishment, there, you happy now? But I am the one with a tinfoil hat.

124 This Iowa BS is a blessing in disguise...Gives future candidates more justification to minimize, if not completely ignore, those dorks.

125 Vic--your tax analysis is interesting, but do you have enough info to figure out the EFFECTIVE rate for Newt's tax plan? If he allows personal deductions, mortgage and charity, it's going to be a lot less than 15% for most people. Steve Forbes had a flat tax plan some years ago that allowed a $9,000 personal deduction, so that a family of four making $40,000/yr would only pay tax on 10% of their income.

126 >>It wasn't the MSM that started the whole OWS-style assault on Bain Capital, that was Newt.

And how did you hear about it, Newt whisper it in your ear?

The fact is that we have a 3rd world media using 1st world technology and and large segment of the voting population young enough to have only had union driven marxist indoctrination via pubic education as guidance.

Doesn't take a complicated or elaborate conspiracy, just some garden variety commie organizing tactics.

127 I had problems with squirrels in my bird feeders until I got a new type of pole that is constructed from a single steel rod (thin) up about 6 feet and then branches off with hangers.

I attached a squirrel block onto that and voella, no more pesky squirrels.

Posted by: Vic at January 19, 2012 08:40 AM (YdQQY)

I've got squirrels out the wazoo, too. I usually use the dome things that hang over the top of my hanging feeders, but it generally just slows them down, but doesn't stop them entirely. But at least the squirrels just eat the food; they don't leave behind "presents" that need cleaning out the next morning like possums do. The best anti-possum solution I ever had was a dog we had a few years ago. I'd walk around the yard at night sometimes, and if I found a possum in a feeder, I'd poke him out with a stick. Lincoln had a knack for snagging them by the back of the neck and then chomp/crack, no more possum. The two idiot dogs I have now would try to get the damn things to play with them.

128

(ABC) Although it is not apparent on his financial disclosure form, Mitt Romney has millions of dollars of his personal wealth in investment funds set up in the Cayman Islands, a notorious Caribbean tax haven.

A spokesperson for the Romney campaign says Romney follows all tax laws and he would pay the same in taxes regardless of where the funds are based.

As the race for the Republican nomination heats up, Mitt Romney is finding it increasingly difficult to maintain a shroud of secrecy around the details about his vast personal wealth, including, as ABC News has discovered, his investment in funds located offshore and his ability to pay a lower tax rate.

Sounds so EVIL doesn't it? Funny how Barry has no problem with secrecy

129 Seems like a bitter women and a bitter network airing warmed over old facts already in evidence.

The local talker had the interviewer guy on and interviewed him this morning, and that's what I took away.  He did mention at least two things I didn't know- one of them I can almost sort of believe, the other sounds like the kind of lie a bitter ex-lover would come up with (and since she fits the model of "bitter ex-lover" pretty well, I'm putting it down to that until other evidence arises).

The first was that they were never rich while they were married.  Now, I think he was a Representative for at least some of that time, so if that's true (and it's at least plausible), that actually says good things about Newt and his ethics.

The second was that Newt proposed an "open marriage" instead of getting divorced over his affair with Callista.  That one seems a little far-fetched to me.

130 who is doing the maneuvering? let me guess... "the elites"? "the establishment"? "the MSM"? The MSM has a weekly strategic phone conference with the WH; George Stephanopoulus said as much several years ago and admitted that he participated in coordinating the "message". Certainly the MSM concentrates on the GOP candidate that the WH war room is prepped for. That much is true. No conspiracy. It is all in the open. Kinda doubt there is a secret room somewhere where Mr Burns decides who is gonna run.

131 I'm surprised that a woman, NewtWife2, who was the "other woman" was either surprised or pissed that Newt was getting it on with NewtWife3. Really, Maryann, how do you have any standing at all? She's pissed that Newty got it on with Callista in their apartment. Where did you get it on with Newty when he was married to NewtWife1?

132 Vic--your tax analysis is interesting, but do you have enough info to figure out the EFFECTIVE rate for Newt's tax plan?

Not without the details. But overall it looked like still a tax increase for people who got up into the mid range, a massive decrease for the wealthy, and no change for the bottom ranges who don't pay any taxes to begin with. It is not a flat tax so his title is misleading as well.

Keep in mind that I used a 2010 tax software program which had all the details of the current code in it.

133 Joint Strike Fighter may miss acceleration goal By Dave Majumdar - Staff writer Posted : Wednesday Jan 18, 2012 19:07:16 EST The F-35 Lightning II’s transonic acceleration may not meet the requirements originally set forth for the program, a top Lockheed Martin official said. “Based on the original spec, all three of the airplanes are challenged by that spec,” said Tom Burbage, Lockheed’s program manager for the F-35. “The cross-sectional area of the airplane with the internal weapons bays is quite a bit bigger than the airplanes we’re replacing.” The sharp rise in wave drag at speeds between Mach 0.8 and Mach 1.2 is one of the most challenging areas for engineers to conquer. And the F-35’s relatively large cross-sectional area means, that as a simple matter of physics, the jet can’t quite match its predecessors. “We’re dealing with the laws of physics. You have an airplane that’s a certain size, you have a wing that’s a certain size, you have an engine that’s a certain size, and that basically determines your acceleration characteristics,” Burbage said. “I think the biggest question is: are the acceleration characteristics of the airplane operationally suitable?” A recent report by the Defense Department’s top tester, J. Michael Gilmore, says that the Navy’s F-35C model aircraft, which has larger wing and tail surfaces, is not meeting requirements for acceleration. The report doesn’t say whether the F-35A and F-35B have hit similar snags. Richard Aboulafia, an analyst with the Teal Group, Fairfax, Va., said that the revelation was not particularly surprising. “It’s a strike fighter,” Aboulafia said. “It’s not an interceptor; it’s not an F-22.” Which is why a one plane to do all was bond to fail and why we should NEVER HAVE CANCELLED THE F-22. IT WAS SO FUCKING OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN

134 I just heard a report on the DFW lady.  Turns out it took them 90 minutes to find her and the plane she was on left the gate already.  Which made me wonder, what would they have done had the plane taken off?  Also, you would think that they'd say "we just lost a woman with a gun in her purse so no planes can take off"...makes you wonder how much power they have over the airport per se.

135

Oh, and for someone who has seen Newt up close several times around town. Just let me say (that as they describe Newt talking about open marriage while in bed with Calista), EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

 

136

morning, all!

This is just a stupid non-controversy. Via the Daily Mail (UK):

Racist or realistic? Fears Microsoft 'Avoid the Ghetto' app will damage economies of poor communities

Want to avoid the ghetto? There's an app for that.

A Smartphone app to help people avoid unsafe neighborhoods has been accused of discrimination.

The application, which is being developed by Microsoft, has already been nicknamed the 'Avoid The Ghetto' app.

But critics fear the app could damage local economies and steer tourists away from historically significant neighbourhoods- just because they have a high crime rate.

"Just" because it has a high crime rate.  "Just." 

You know what?  Skid Row is historically significant, and I'm not going there anytime soon because I don't want to get shivved. 

This is the priceless quote from the article, though:

Sarah E. Chinn, author of 'Technology and the Logic of American Racism,' told AOL the app is 'pretty appalling.'

'Of course, an application like this defines crime pretty narrowly, since all crimes happen in all kinds of neighborhoods.'

'I can't imagine that there aren't perpetrators of domestic violence, petty and insignificant drug possession, fraud, theft, and rape in every area.'

Don't you love the inclusion of RAPE as being analogous to "petty and insignificant drug possession" in terms of frequency and prevalence in "every area?"  RIGHT.  I'll remember that the next time I'm driving at night.  "I might as well stop here at this Eight Mile gas station at one in the morning to ask for directions.  It's no different than if I were to stop at an Irving station in the Berkshires, after all.  Either way I'm JUST as likely to be raped!"

Unbelievable.

137 Which is why a one plane to do all was bond to fail and why we should NEVER HAVE CANCELLED THE F-22. IT WAS SO FUCKING OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN

Yeah, but it was cancelled by the same people who believe that air war will be conducted completely by remote in the next decade or so.  Which is idiotic to anyone who routinely works with computers and/or telecommunications.

Can you see having a dog-fight between your drone and the badguy's old F-16 (bought from surplus) and "sunspots" cause you to lose communication- even just for 30 seconds?

138 I usually use the dome things that hang over the top of my hanging feeders, but it generally just slows them down,

I use the dome things as well, but I don't mount them on the top. I mound them beneath the feeder on the pole. Note that due to the construction of the bottom of the pole I had to take a saws-all and cut a gap through it to mount it then seal the gap back up with duct tape. 

139 When the establishment consists of the GOP regulars, the media and the Dems, yes, it is powerful enough to sway the public. Just look at how we ourselves turn against our own when the left controls the narrative. It happened with Palin, and it's happening now with Newt, and with everyone in between. And if/when Mitt is the nominee, it will be turned against him.

140 Posted by: Vic at January 19, 2012 06:54 AM (YdQQY) Sally Kohn? Ugh. I'm pretty sure that's the mannish looking blonde who comes of Fox and rolls her eyes and just drips condescension. Every time I see her I want to find her and bitch slap her for being an arrogant bitch. Your choice of the word scrunt to describe her is pretty damned accurate, Vic.

141

All you Westerners bitterly clinging to your stupid pipeline...STFU.

I already gave you all the tubes you need, you bunch of redneck ingrates!

http://tinyurl.com/7xqpazu

142 Which made me wonder...

It made me wonder why we put up with the TSA.

Also, does anyone else see the terrorism possibilities inherent in having 50 - 100 people (or more) all queued up waiting at those stupid scanners?  I mean, I don't know the mind of a terrorist (not being one), but that just screams "soft target" to me.

143 A bunch of precincts can't find their votes in Iowa?  sheesh you'd think people would say "these are important let's watch the chain of custody and know where they are until the election is certified".  You know what this means right?  Santorum really won but they won't say.  Romney must be wondering what's going on but the paul people, the paul people will go nuts.  They'll assume the total win was contained in the lost votes.  I have a headache already thinking about them complaining everywhere.

144 The real problem with the pipeline is that the 40% reduction in domestic crude that I referenced above is NOT an accident.

Did the illegal moratorium on Gulf drilling ever end, or is SCOAMD still ignoring SCOTUS?

145 sock off

146 Can you see having a dog-fight between your drone and the badguy's old F-16 (bought from surplus) and "sunspots" cause you to lose communication- even just for 30 seconds? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 19, 2012 08:55 AM (8y9MW) And when they cancelled the F-22 they said well the F-35 is an air to air interceptor also, and now they are saying well the F-35 was really never designed to replace the F-22? Lying cock sucking bastards should be hung

147 IT WAS SO FUCKING OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 19, 2012 08:53 AM (i6RpT)

You have got to learn to lower your expectations!

148 IT WAS SO FUCKING OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 19, 2012 08:53 AM (i6RpT)

You have got to learn to lower your expectations!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 19, 2012 08:59 AM (i3+c5)

A lot.

149 Did the illegal moratorium on Gulf drilling ever end, or is SCOAMD still ignoring SCOTUS?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 19, 2012 08:58 AM (ZKzrr)

I don't think it made it to SCOTUS. A district court ruled against him twice though. So after that he is letting one or two a year trickle through. 

In a world with justice the head of the interior department would be in jail for contempt.

150 14

It has to happen; national photo icon Kodak files for Chapter 11

The people in Rochester have been reeling from this companyÂ’s problems for years now. Well folks up there in upstate it is about to get worse.  I also suspect a lot of their problems are due to expense union retirement contracts. Of course USA Today will never publish that.

______________________________________________________

Buggy whips.

They held on to film technology long after the market had moved on and never distinguished themselves in digital.  They attempted to find a niche market in "digital cameras for dummies" that were to be easy to use and share, but never got the software right which caused problems.

Still, it is not a Chapter 7.  Maybe Kodak will rise again.

151 DOOM! Post up, amigos.

152 You also forgot the equally evil Trialeral Commission, the Illuminati and whatever space aliens are directing Nor LuaP

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at January 19, 2012 09:00 AM (OWjjx)

If a space alien turned up in the Republican primary, I might vote for him at this point. Well, provided he could get his name onto the Virginia primary ballot. I mean a different space alien, of course, since Paul is already on the ballot here.

153 Kodak, Hostess?

What about Olympus?

154 'I can't imagine that there aren't perpetrators of domestic violence, petty and insignificant drug possession, fraud, theft, and rape in every area.'

*snort* Except for theft and rape, none of those things are an issue for people walking down a sidewalk or waiting for a bus in an unfamiliar neighborhood.  By fucking definition, perps of domestic violence have a relationship with their victim; the half-ounce of weed in your back pocket isn't going jump out steal my purse.

(And if there's a lot of stranger-rape in your neighborhood, maybe you need to tell your neighbors to stop whining to the police and judges and media that their rapist son/nephew/brother is "really a good kid who just made a mistake and shouldn't have to suffer any consequences" and them incarcerate his ass before he racks up a half-dozen rape arrests. No, no, denounce yourself. With a rusty pineapple.)

155 The "ABC Civil War" generated some tiny thoughts in my tiny brain. Where did that term come from? Didn't Carlin do a bit on that? And, I remember my first visit to West Point. This young Texan was baffled upon seeing Battle Monument commemorating the War of the Rebellion. As an aside, he old joke about this marble column with winged female atop it is: They're all fickle, but one. What other woman would ride the same shaft for 100 years?

156 Drudge - Perry dropping out today - from CNN.

157

@147

"As the crowd gathers round an angry young man

Face down in the street with a gun in his hand...

In the Historically Significant Neighborhood..."

 

Nahhh, I'm stickin' with "Ghetto" here.

158 Drudge - Perry dropping out today - from CNN.

Posted by: Vic at January 19, 2012 09:19 AM (YdQQY)

Sad to say, but the right thing to do. Any hints on who he'll endorse, if anyone?

159 I guess that makes it official to take Palin's advice. I wonder if she called Perry and talked to him. I understand they are good friends.

The problem is he will still be on the ballot Saturday and no time to change it.

160 Modern Family was funny last night.  A comment on our elections for sure.

I sometimes smile when I read that people want a paragon of virtue as their president.  Since we know nothing about the sitting president he might be that paragon and he might not, who knows. 

161 Well, fuck me. I now have no idea who the hell I'm voting for at the end of the month.

162 Drudge - Perry dropping out today - from CNN. Posted by: Vic at January 19, 2012 09:19 AM (YdQQY) His heart was never in it.

163

Sad to say, but the right thing to do. Any hints on who he'll endorse, if anyone?

Posted by: davidinvirginia at January 19, 2012 09:24 AM (cPJUK)

Reports are that he'll endorse Gingrich.

164 If the Rdbrewer sidebar piece is the best the anti-Romney camp up with for "Romney's character problem" then Mitt won't be touched by it. A bunch of campaign clips from former rivals carries just about zero weight in the "character" dept. Getting married, finding a subordinate employee to sleep with, ditching the wife for the skank and then repeating the process, however, says plenty.

165 His heart was never in it.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 19, 2012 09:27 AM (i6RpT)

His back surgery surely had something to do with it, but yeah, sure looks a lot like Fred Thompson The Sequel. I fell for that halfhearted turkey, too.

166 Perry is out? Cripes, I go get a cup of coffee and the whole race changes.

167

Reports are that he'll endorse Gingrich.

Posted by: Tami at January 19, 2012 09:29 AM (X6akg)

Good...that will help, though probably not much. I guess I'm with Gingrich now, which, given my record at supporting candidates, pretty much dooms him if he's not doomed already.

168 DrewM has a post up on it now.

169 I'm posting this again because I thought it was so cool.

Dog rescued from icey pond.

170 Looks like OccupyDC days are numbered:

The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee will hear from District of Columbia officials and the National Park Service next Tuesday during a subcommittee hearing titled "McPherson Square: Who Made the Decision to Allow Indefinite Camping in the Park?"

171 Ben? That story in the sidebar about all of America's chemical weapons have been destroyed? Read it, that's not what the story says. We still have a Chemical Depot with munitions here in Pueblo waiting to be destroyed.