1 Good morning and a Happy Moron New Year!

Don't know about all of you, but I'm fervidly praying for a meteor to target Iowa today!

2

Good Morning Morons. Its Jan 3, 2012 and it is 25.6°F here. On this day in 1531 Martin Luther (the original) was excommunicated by Pope Leo X. In 1777 an old white patriarch defeated British General Cornwallis at the battle of Princeton. But no need for school children to know about that. Now on to the doomy news.

3

Why is Obama and his minions campaigning in Iowa?

Iowa is pretty much a blue State and he has no opponent so why is he there? Could he have some polls that are telling him something that is good news for us?  Anyway, the big news this morning is who will win Iowa. Fox is saying a large portion are “undecided” going into the caucuses. I say who cares who wins a blue State.

4

Evil 5 y.o. gurl has overdue library books! Quick send the cops.

Hell, IÂ’m surprised they didnÂ’t send a swat team.

5

New polls for NH. I don't know why they even bother.

Meanwhile the first important State is not far off and there have been no polls since 12/18 and a LOT has changed since 12/18.

6

OWS crowd breaks into Romney event and heckles Romney.

Would have tickled me to death if the crowd had beat the shit out of them.

7

Charlottesville school board lies its ass off

Thomas Jefferson is rolling over in his grave at Monticello.

8

We talked about e-books yesterday. USA Today has a story about a successful self publishing author

9 All the media will talk about is how this guy is a vet.  Janet Incompetano will use this to justify her 'returning war veterans are potential terrorists' meme.

10 Morning fellas! All eyes on Iowa today. Can't wait for it to be over and we can move on to a state that really matter. The good news is that the campaign to defeat Obama officially begins! This is when the people that hardly pay attention to politics start reading and talking about politics.

11

EPA goes after couple claiming "wetlands" in the middle of a housing subdivision

Case goes to the Supreme Court on very narrow grounds. However, the last ruling on administrative taking was that if the government took more than 5% of the value of the land then it was a taking and the government must pay for the land. (SC beachfront case).  Here it appears they are taking 100%.

This article talks about congress’s efforts to reign in the EPA but if they were really interested in doing that they would start by repealing the stupid “wetlands” definition and the absurd government justification for the law as any ditch that drains eventually to a navigable waterway.

12

US budget deficits as a fraction of GDP by President

I donÂ’t like this chart for several reasons. Number 1, congress has a lot more to do with budget deficits than the President unless the President pushes congress for more spending. In addition, making it a fraction of GDP hides the true amount of spending because GDP changes from year to year.

13 And that's it for doomy news. Iowa sucking al the O2 out of the news today.

14 Mornin'!

Iowa is getting way more attention than it deserves.  Maybe President Romney will propose a single nationwide primary to the GOP next year?

15 Gabe are you going to do the poll today?

16 Why are liberals freaking out about the NDAA? They're saying the same stuff they said about Bush, but they're acting like there's even "less freedumz!!!" or something.

17 Looks like they had some trollish nastiness in the ONT, but handled it in the typical delicate, sensitive AoS manner, i.e., changed the troll's posts to depict him as a dildo-penetrated nazi basement-dweller. Makes me proud to be a commenter here.

18 The big question today is how long before a stormfront RP goon shows up to crap on the threads?

19 And now it's off to mine some salt. Hopefully we'll get a DOOOOOOOM thread today.

20 Morning Vic and all...cool story on the e-publisher and interesting re: EPA story.  Noticed your talk in the ONT, Vic re being an (reformed?) audiophile...here as well.  Still have and use my DQ-10's running through Carver equipment...

21 Looks like they had some trollish nastiness in the ONT, but handled it in the typical delicate, sensitive AoS manner,...

Did Audit the fed show up?

22 Noticed your talk in the ONT, Vic re being an (reformed?) audiophile...here as well.

Yeah, I used to spend big bucks on equipment, especially speakers. Don't have the money now. Besides, after years of working in a high noise environment I can't hear worth a shit anymore anyway.  Recently had to replace the woofers in my Inifinity SM-150s.  The news ones actually sound better than the old ones. Now that is strange.

23 9 - Oh yeah, we're going to hear all about this guy's bio. He's the person they wanted Jared Laughner to be, the first person since Timothy McVeigh they can blame on the military and "the right."

24 He's the person they wanted Jared Laughner to be, the first person since Timothy McVeigh they can blame on the military and "the right."

Yeah in every news story he is a "disturbed vet".

25 14 - I suspect President Romney (if he gets that far) likes this system just fine. He was basically able to run on the platform of "hi, I'm Mitt Romney. It's my turn," and win this thing in a walk. Why would he want to change anything?

26 Lotsa cleanup needed at the end of the 'Endorsement for Ron Paul' thread.

Funny how the anti-Semites come out for Ron Paul who is really REALLY NOT ABOUT ANTI-SEMITISM.

27 25 - I also noticed they found a couple really good pictures of him. Funny how they never find pictures of the guys with names like Achmed and Mohammed.

28 Recently had to replace the woofers in my Inifinity SM-150s.  The news ones actually sound better than the old ones. Now that is strange.

Posted by: Vic at January 03, 2012 07:16 AM (YdQQY)

Newer materials perhaps?  Reminds me that I need to have my 10's woofers re-coned.  I'm constantly amazed at how good some of these new speaker systems (satellite style) sound.  As for keeping up with it, yeah...money!  Still loves me some old Levinson tube amps pushing Magnapans, tho...fun shit.

29 Why would he want to change anything?

Posted by: BurtTC at January 03, 2012 07:21 AM (Gc/Qi)

Yes, we are allowing the MFM to pick our candidate again.Its 2008 all over again. I'm just waiting on the final call and then Mutt will come out and say...

there's no need to fear an Obama Presidency.

30 Newer materials perhaps?  Reminds me that I need to have my 10's woofers re-coned.

Reconing is some hard shit to do right. Check out this site for replacment woofers.

MCM speakers

Make sure you measure the size of the cutout hole though before you order.

31

Butt welded pipe fitting  Butt welding pipe fitting  pipe elbow  ansi b16.9

 

Posted by: pipe fittings at January 03, 2012 07:14 AM (xKIBt)

 

I think itÂ’s time to reward loyalty and persistence, so letÂ’s all get together and buy some pipe fittings from this guy.

32 Thanks Vic!  Btw, did you see the LA arsonist may have been caught...a Canadian from BC?

33

I'm most interested in the shooter's Oden tattoo.

Usually associated with white supremacists

In the mean time, no pictures or name for the LA arsonist...

34

I think itÂ’s time to reward loyalty and persistence, so letÂ’s all get together and buy some pipe fittings from this guy.

Posted by: jwest at January 03, 2012 07:30 AM (8moZm)

If he  had a link to ansi b16.25 he would have sold me.  As it is, I am unimpressed by his sales pitch.

35 Vic re the overdue books.  After all the 5 y.o. girl might have been home schooled.

This is the kind of thing that makes me sure we are in the early stages of a complete and all-seeing all-knowing police state.

The right of the people to write for and read from a well regulated blog shall not be abridged.

36 Btw, did you see the LA arsonist may have been caught...a Canadian from BC?

Fox says he was a German citizen this morning????

37 From the Fox web site:

Harry Burkhart, 24, was booked for investigation of arson of an inhabited dwelling and was being held without bail, authorities said. He is a German national, but authorities said they didn't know how long he's been in the United States. Police said he told arresting officers he's from Frankfurt.

38

In the mean time, no pictures or name for the LA arsonist...

Posted by: kdny at January 03, 2012 07:32 AM (FmSSd)

TMZ reports as Harry Burkhart...

39 Posted by: Vic at January 03, 2012 07:35 AM (YdQQY)

...was arrested in a van w/ BC plates...my bad.

40

If he  had a link to ansi b16.25 he would have sold me.  As it is, I am unimpressed by his sales pitch.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 03, 2012 07:32 AM (TpXEI)

No type 504 SS either. No sale his carbon steel stuff is subject to corrosion. 

41 Morning all ! Thanks for the news Vic. We had to put our dear male kitty to sleep yesterday. I don't think I will be reading DOOM I already am doom-y enough today. It is freezing ass cold here 28, but supposed to get up to 60 later on, so not too bad. Just as a point of interest SAT has had a rash of killings - like 5 or so in the last week. But noooo we don't have a spillover of drug cartel related violence, nothing to see here, move along.....

42 So how did a German nazi get into the US?? Was he legal??

43 Sorry to hear about your cat.

44

 Butt welded elbow

For people who don't know their ass from their elbow.

 180 degree elbow

Sounds pretty pointy.

I'm having none of it.

45

Just as a point of interest SAT has had a rash of killings - like 5 or so in the last week. But noooo we don't have a spillover of drug cartel related violence, nothing to see here, move along.....

You're only saying that because Eric Holder is black.  Racist.

Already seeing red from the Virginia 3rd graders story.  Warning to hippie nitwits:  Stay away from my kids.

46

thanks for the update on the firebug. I always wonder why they sometimes delay the info on a suspect and other times it's out before it should be.

A german named Harry?

47 I know it doesn't matter, but when will we start seeing results from Iowa? I've never paid attention to the caucus before. Hello!

48 Butt weld pipe fitting? I'll take one, please.

49 Posted by: San Antonio Rose at January 03, 2012 07:38 AM (nOFwj)

Sorry to hear about your cat SAR. We have had to do that a number of times. It is never easy. As for the cold it is now 25° here and the high today is supposed to be in the mid 30s.

50 42 - I am sorry to hear about the cat. I just had to chase mine away from the little female he terrorizes, for the umpteenth time. I am hoping he continues to do so for years and years. Regarding the LA fires, are we so sure it was one person? I mean, that was a lot of fires, I would hate to think somebody needed and found a scapegoat for all of them.

51 The EPA has a sweet set-up.  Taking land away from people, fines, charging businesses monthly fees if they bulid too close to "wetlands" because they have to monitor said "wetlands" as they cannot be disturbed.  And a "wetland" can be nothing more than a ditch.  And the ditch would not be there if the state had not built a roadway years earlier and needed a ditch to drain water off the roadway.......................Yeah, I had to deal with the EPA once before, nothing but a government scam that takes money out of your pocket.  Not only that, they are real assholes too.

52 sorry to hear about your cat SAT........ good morning everyone..... kids go back to school today.....

53

Vic re the overdue books. After all the 5 y.o. girl might have been home schooled.

This is the kind of thing that makes me sure we are in the early stages of a complete and all-seeing all-knowing police state.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 03, 2012 07:33 AM (i3+c5)

 

Notice that you can get a cop to show up when a kid keeps library books too long, but you can't necessarily get one to show up when your house is being robbed, or your person is being assaulted, etc. 

Before long the only crimes that will be investigated are those that cost the government money, or involve inconveniences for government officials.  Right now, if you use prison stay duration as a guide, tax evasion is a worse crime than rape and murder.

54 I know it doesn't matter, but when will we start seeing results from Iowa? I've never paid attention to the caucus before.

Probably will not hear results until late at night or early in the morning tomorrow. Keep in mind they are going to be moving the counting to an undisclosed location to get away from the OWS goons.

Plus have to throw in time zone differences.

55

Keep in mind they are going to be moving the counting to an undisclosed location to get away from the OWS goons.

Posted by: Vic at January 03, 2012 07:47 AM (YdQQY)

 

So, how long before the OWS lunatics turn their violence upon Republican party staff?  I assume it will begin some time this election cycle.  Last time the libtards were psyching themselves up for it, but held off because they smelled victory.  But this time it will not be so clear - if our guy pulls ahead in the polls we may some interesting stuff.

And really, why wouldn't they?  Eric Holder isn't going to do anything about it.  Democrat-controlled state governments will not stop them either.

56 So, how long before the OWS lunatics turn their violence upon Republican party staff?

If they start that shit they will get their asses handed to them.

57 The best thing about Iowa is that it makes all the coastal journalitteratti pay attention to a place they wouldn't otherwise fuck with Elena Kagan's dick.

58

Posted by: Reactionary at January 03, 2012 07:47 AM (xUM1Q)

Well, at least our civil masters have their priorities straight!  Also, the police union can be pretty sure that no cop will get hurt pursuing overdue books, writing traffic tickets, or collecting student loan debts.

59 Over the past year I have been doing more lurking than commenting but yesterday morning about this time when the discussion was about FDR, I sock-puppeted a stupid comment somehow equating FDR with Hitler and it came out really stupid. If I offended I sincerely apologize. I'm better than that.

60 Father Christmas Stabbed to Death by Muslim Moderates inTajikistan

61

Paul’s views are not just libertarian. He is not simply concerned that “an overreaching military presence around the world is inconsistent with small, constitutional government at home,” as Edward Crane recently suggested. Paul goes further, blaming the U.S. for attacks against it, both foreign and domestic. That is a posture typically associated with the radical left.

62 I like this article simply cause it implies maybe they won't pass any new laws for a year.  Sweeeeeet!

Not that it changes the fact that Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.   Actually, it strongly urges this conclusion.

63 I never understood why the MFM keeps saying gridlock is a bad thing. Of course, if they were repealing laws gridlock would be bad.

64 Samuel Adams:  We... forgive you, I guess?  Besides, nobody seriously considers HItler as bad as FDR. 

65 Vic, what about the story of the ATF agent shot in NY? Reading off the Fox web story about the shooting when, sure nuff, it went to the inevitable, 'hand gun violence' thing that all news stories in Legacy Media go to. Then the writer reeled off the last three lethal shootings that turn out to be cop on cop. Yeah, the citizens have run freakin amuk there.

66 If they start that shit they will get their asses handed to them.

Posted by: Vic at January 03, 2012 07:53 AM (YdQQY)

Why wait? Can't we deliver a pre-emptive ass-handing?

67 Posted by: Samuel Adams
..........
Yeah.. sometimes what seems hilariously witty just doesn't cut it after ya hit "Post".

68 3rd graders taught ows song? great.......

69 Virginia School Board Defends Having Third-Graders Sing Occupy Indoctrination Song, Claims The Kids Wrote The LyricsÂ…

Geez, Louise. These lying asshats need an ass-hat handing as well. Thanks for the doom-link, Vic.

70 Yeah.. sometimes what seems hilariously witty just doesn't cut it after ya hit "Post".

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 03, 2012 08:03 AM (UTq/I)

Yep, wasn't even hung over. That's the saddest part.

71 Vic, what about the story of the ATF agent shot in NY?

The last I saw they were reporting that was a case of friendly fire since the robber's gun was fake.

72 If they start that shit they will get their asses handed to them.
Posted by: Vic at January 03, 2012 07:53 AM (YdQQY)

 

I sure hope so.  But if that happens, rest assured that it will be the Republicans who wind up in jail, and the OWS people will get government-provided lawyers to sue for said ass-whipping.  It's all backward these days.  The criminals have more rights than the just.

73 Geez, Louise. These lying asshats need an ass-hat handing as well. Thanks for the doom-link, Vic

What is bad about this kind of shit is that now everyone is all up in arms, but down the road when it is election time again all of these assholes will be reelected.

74 69 3rd graders taught ows song? great.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at January 03, 2012 08:04 AM (Ho2rs)

I kept waiting for my daughter to bring home the December issue of Scholastic with the OWS story, but it never made it home. I think the school board deep-sixed that issue.

75 Good morning, folks...it's freakin' cold here in Virginia this morning (18 degrees with a wind chill of 1 at the moment)...but hey, we can warm our hearts thinking about having the privilege and honor of voting for either Mutt Romney or Captain Tinfoil Hat in the upcoming Republican coronation primary in March. And had the double bonus of having yet another GOP leader show himself to be a gutless wonder like our illustrious AG did over the weekend.

76 Prediction: 1. Ron Paul will finish a very close second or win outright in Iowa. 2. Most of the votes for Paul will come from people who would not otherwise vote for a Republican. 3. Paul's finish will be trumpeted as proof that Republicans are as crazy and racist and everything else that they've always said they were.

77 cicero holy cow.....

78

Posted by: davidinvirginia at January 03, 2012 08:11 AM (R/QV7)

There is always OWS fight-song indoctination in your schools to brighten your day!

79 3rd graders taught ows song? great.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at January 03, 2012 08:04 AM (Ho2rs)

 

This makes me sick, but in a way I'm glad it came out.  Every time one of these stories surfaces it gives parents another opportunity to wake up.  The public schools do this crap all day every day - through selective, highly edited "teaching" of curricula that is formulated by leftists.  These episodes of gross over-reach by the libtard pukes in the public-ed scam can be used to help our side. 

80

Posted by: davidinvirginia at January 03, 2012 08:11 AM (R/QV7)

There is always OWS fight-song indoctination in your schools to brighten your day!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 03, 2012 08:13 AM (PAyD5)

Yes, things just keep getting better and better here in Virginia, ever so glad we moved here, he says as he searches his desk for the brochure on becoming a resident of Belize.

81 Posted by: Reactionary at January 03, 2012 08:14 AM (xUM1Q)
Looks like another reason to make home schooling illegal.  How is the next generation to be dumbed down if we don't have a chance to indoctrinate them into the correct liberal line of "thinking" in spite of their parents.

82 Guns don't kill people, Bigfoot does.

83 Why did Fiona Apple never make it?

From what I can tell about pop music today, women singers need to wear nothing but body paint and a thong on stage, sing songs about how slutty they are and pretend to be a lesbian.  This Apple chick just didn't have those "star qualities".

84 #54, That state already exists, it's called Britain.

85 Biscuits and Gravy! Mmm - mmm -mmm!

86 If they start that shit they will get their asses handed to them.

Posted by: Vic at January 03, 2012 07:53 AM (YdQQY)

Vic, are you sure that the country you remember is still around? I have my doubts that there would be a vigorous response. I still hope...but I'm not confident.

87 lyrics: Some people have it all But they still don’t think they have enough They want more money A faster ride They’re not content Never satisfied Yes — they’re the 1 percent I used to be one of the 1 percent I worked all the time Never saw my family Couldn’t make life rhyme Then the bubble burst It really, really hurt I lost my money Lost my pride Lost my home Now I’m part of the 99 Some people have it all But they still don’t think they have enough They want more money A faster ride They’re not content Never satisfied Yes — they’re the 1 percent I used to be sad, now I’m satisfied ’Cause I really have enough Though I lost my yacht and plane Didn’t need that extra stuff Could have been much worse You don’t need to be first ’Cause I’ve got my friends Here by my side Don’t need it all I’m so happy to be part of the 99

88 pathetic

89 Good morning all and thank you Vic for the news (this is my fav tread of the day with DOOM running a close second) San Antonio Rose sorry about your cat. It just sucks, been there done it more than once, there are no words. Please keep your ear to the ground on that local violence thing; my son is in week 4 of BMT @ Lackland and scheduled for graduation a month from today. So I will be there. Sounds like staying on base is the best idea...

90

Vic, are you sure that the country you remember is still around? I have my doubts that there would be a vigorous response. I still hope...but I'm not confident.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 03, 2012 08:28 AM (nEUpB)

As long as Eric Holder is at DoJ, Janut Nap is DHS, and Obama is in the White House, that country doesn't really exist anymore.  A NBP member will never be prosecuted, An OWS disrupter will never be prosecuted, but a TEA party observer will be hassled to beyond the full extent of the law!

91 Looks like another reason to make home schooling illegal. How is the next generation to be dumbed down if we don't have a chance to indoctrinate them into the correct liberal line of "thinking" in spite of their parents.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 03, 2012 08:19 AM (i3+c5)

 

Indeed.  The libtards always work tirelessly to undermine home schooling.  They especially love to suggest that it

Someone recently offered me the prediction that one day most of the important private sector jobs would be held by home/private schoolers, because only they would be able to perform those jobs.  I have to agree that it's quite plausible.

92 Posted by: Samuel Adams at January 03, 2012 07:55 AM (yGl9Q)

I didn't read the comment, but from a certain perspective the equation is reasonable.

FDR was vehement in his refusal to bomb the rail lines running to the concentration camps. One night of bombing could have saved the lives of thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of Jews. Yet he chose not to. And there has been some recent scholarship that found his anti-Semitism wasn't kept quiet. He expressed it forcefully in private meetings.

93 If third graders wrote that, I'm the Pope.

94 Bush won Iowa in 2004 and only lost it by .32 percent in 2000.

Yeah but that is the only Republican win since RR. It is a Blue State.

95 I didn't read the comment, but from a certain perspective the equation is reasonable.

No, equating FDR to Hitler is not reasonable.  Next.

96 FDR was our worst President in history but he wasn't Hitler.

97 Can anyone recommend a good book that explains tax rates and income? I'm having a hard time understanding this aspect of the left-right debate.

98

FDR was our worst President in history but he wasn't Hitler.

I'd go Buchanan, Carter, LBJ, and current occupant in some order as the top 4.  FDR did recognize the threat from fascism even if his economic policies were crap (and erroneously taught all the wrong lessons).

99

#54, That state already exists, it's called Britain.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at January 03, 2012 08:24 AM (ijjAe)

 

True.  Britons are the most surveilled people on earth, yet all that tech does nothing to push down crime rates.  The day they started putting up all those cameras was the day I should have invested in companies making hooded sweat shirts, which are now ubiquitous among the English gutter spawn.

And in that place, the citizen has no right to self defense.  You're required to allow yourself to be beaten to death, rather than fight (and potentially injure) your attacker.  It's sickening.

100 Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 03, 2012 08:34 AM (B+qrE)

FDR, by his inaction, allowed the systematic murder of Jews. From that perspective he can be roughly equated. Narrowly, legalistically, pedantically., but equated nonetheless.

101 One night of bombing could have saved the lives of thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of Jews. Yet he chose not to. And there has been some recent scholarship that found his anti-Semitism wasn't kept quiet. He expressed it forcefully in private meetings.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
............
Perhaps.. most likely they (the Nazis) would have had the thousands of Jews walk the whole way and bury the fallen as they went.

FDR knew what was going on as early as his first term and did nothing to help German Jews emigrate to the US while they still could.  But it wasn't only his anti-semitism, it was the country as a whole.  A country in the deepest recession it had ever seen.  All immigration was curtailed.

102 @ 77 Blaster I agree with your prediction for the most part but I think RP will show up a strong third place. So they will still label us teh crazy, and it will still be a majority of subversives that voted for him.

103

FDR was our worst President in history but he wasn't Hitler.

Posted by: Vic at January 03, 2012 08:36 AM (YdQQY)

 

Right.  We all know that FDR had a man crush on Uncle Joe Stalin, not Hitler.  FDR did basically succeed in his goal, which was to become El Presidente for Life, in as Stalinesque a fashion as would have been possible in the America of that time.  That, and to make the world safer for communism, which apparently was his other major objective.

104 #94, the RAF also knew about the camps from aerial reconnaissance and didn't publicly acknowledge that until the last decade. A lot of bad stuff about WWII is going to continue to come out for quite awhile now that the people involved are fading away.

105 Can anyone recommend a good book that explains tax rates and income? I'm having a hard time understanding this aspect of the left-right debate. Posted by: Joffen
........
What's to understand?  When Bush was president, the evil bastard ran deficits!  That caused the country to sink into a depression.  The only cure for the evil Bush economy is to run really big deficits and tax the hell out of the rich!

106

98 FDR was our worst President in history...

I aint' done, yet!

107 I didn't say it was a lost cause. I said it was a blue State. It IS a blue State.

108 What's to understand? When Bush was president, the evil bastard ran deficits! That caused the country to sink into a depression. The only cure for the evil Bush economy is to run really big deficits and tax the hell out of the rich! -- Heh. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

109 FDR recognized the danger of German Nazis. Since fascism is an off-shoot of socialism and FDR loved him some socialism I don't think he considered fascism itself to be dangerous.

110 Posted by: Reactionary at January 03, 2012 08:31 AM (xUM1Q)
What private sector jobs?  If it isn't controlled by the NLRB, SEIU, or the EEOC, those jobs won't exist.

111 All immigration was curtailed.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 03, 2012 08:41 AM (UTq/I)

Factually incorrect. Jewish immigration was strictly curtailed by the State Department, presumably on the orders of FDR and as a result of the historical anti-Semitism of the State Department.

112 And right there sums up why conservatives always seem to lose and liberals win. Liberals go into states like Indiana, North Carolina and other states Vic would deem "red" and try to win while we just dismiss them as lost causes.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at January 03, 2012 08:43 AM (OWjjx)

Democrats run actual liberals in those states, and when one wins, he exploits the victory.  The guy is gone in a term, but he moves the football left.

Republicans run Democrats in blue states.  When one wins, he runs to the center and still gets crushed in the next election.

113 Heh. Thanks for clearing it up for me.
Posted by: Joffen
..........
Glad I could help!   But seriously, I hope whoever we get as a nominee will try to point out the hypocrisy of the left.  I read another Krugman article the other still calling for more deficit spending and how deficits are not so bad at all according to Keynes.  The idiot completely misses the point that the deficits we are now running are orders of magnitude larger than anything we've ever done before.

114 Can anyone recommend a good book that explains tax rates and income? I'm having a hard time understanding this aspect of the left-right debate. Posted by: Joffen

FDR is the one who brought about the huge increase in tax rates for the evil "rich". Read Amity Schlaes Forgotten Man. Also good are New Deal or Raw Deal and Liberal Fascism.

115 Posted by: Vic at January 03, 2012 08:48 AM (YdQQY)
If the Japanese hadn't bombed Pearl Harbor, FDR wouldn't have been pushed into getting involved in Europe.
I don't think he had a real problem with a United Germanic Fascist States of Europe or a Greater South East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere as such.

116 Rand Paul jut finished up with Gretchen on FNC, dropping all pretense there is any sunlight between him and Crazy Dad on any issue. I never trusted the way Rand's hair curls...

117 Thanks Vic! Yeah, Krugman makes me wonder how the hell he got a Nobel prize. I read an article where his solution to inflation caused by raising the minimum wage was for the government to print more money.

118 Can anyone recommend a good book that explains tax rates and income? I'm having a hard time understanding this aspect of the left-right debate.

Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 08:38 AM (zLeKL)

 

Is there a particular kind of knowledge you want?  It's a big subject.  FWIW, I found a lot of useful info in The Seven Fat Years.  I recommend it.

119 If the Japanese hadn't bombed Pearl Harbor, FDR wouldn't have been pushed into getting involved in Europe.

We were actually already in the war with Germany before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. And then he dedicated almost all the availbale assets to the European front while GIs in the Pacific died at the end of the vine.

120 Is there a particular kind of knowledge you want? Just a handy explanation of stuff like "alternate minimum tax" and "marginal tax rates", I want to be more comfortable talking about that kinda stuff when I'm debating liberals.

121 Monty non-doom thread up.

122 I don't think we had officially declared war on Germany, Vic.  That came after Pearl Harbor... just a few days, I believe.

123

<<I'm fervidly praying for a meteor to target Iowa today!>>

HEY!

124 The Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) was invented bvy the second worse President in history; LBJ. He had a commie congress to pass it for him. It was a sly PR campaign to raise taxes by saying the evil riuch were not paying their fair share and they had too many breaks in the tax code. So they passed it but did not index it for inflation. If they had indexed it to actual inflation numbers it would not impact anyone now until they hit > 2M/year income. It never did fix the actual problem they said it was for. It should be repealed but when we had all three branches of government RINO McCain blocked the repeal (along with the help of a few more RINOs).

The "marginal tax rate" is the top tax bracket that a particular person is in. The "effective tax rate" is the overall taxes that he pays as a percentage of his total income.

125 I don't think we had officially declared war on Germany, Vic.  That came after Pearl Harbor... just a few days, I believe.

Actually Germany declared war on us. But we were already escorting British ships with American destroyers and firing on German U-boats.

126 The "marginal tax rate" is the top tax bracket that a particular person is in. The "effective tax rate" is the overall taxes that he pays as a percentage of his total income. Ahh...thanks!

127 If the Japanese hadn't bombed Pearl Harbor, FDR wouldn't have been pushed into getting involved in Europe.
I don't think he had a real problem with a United Germanic Fascist States of Europe or a Greater South East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere as such.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 03, 2012 08:51 AM (i3+c5)

 

Well, I could be wrong, but as I understand it FDR was looking for ways to get Americans to embrace involvement in the war in Europe.  He provoked the Germans to the limited extent he was able, by openly aiding Britain.  I think he knew that the world was about to be re-ordered, and wanted in on it.  When Hitler screwed up and declared war on us (a move I'll never understand) FDR finally got what he wanted.

I think in the end that probably it all worked out for the best.  Japan was defeated and pacified.  Western Europe remained free (so the socialists could hollow it out and turn it over to the muslims).  The Jews not sent to Stalin's gulags or shot by the Red Army were able to survive.  But still I think about the Cold War, the millions murdered by communists world wide, and wonder if things really turned out optimally, in terms of total body count.  The Germans could have been tied down in the East for decades, fighting an unending communist insurgency.  Japan could have been defeated even more quickly, sparing the lives of more Americans.   

128 FDR was our worst President in history ...

Posted by: Vic at January 03, 2012 08:36 AM (YdQQY)

Aren't you forgetting the current occupant of the White House?  FDR and Obama can be accurately categorized as sympathetic to socialism with administrations riddled with communists. 

However, at least FDR had some affection and pride for the United States.  The SCOAMF ... no so much.

129
'I hate America', says German 'prime suspect' in Hollywood arson case whose mother faced being deported

Authorities last night arrested a German man in connection with dozens of suspected arson attacks that destroyed parked cars, scorched buildings and rattled much of the nation's second-largest city over the New Year's weekend.
...

According to Los Angeles Police Department Chief Charlie Beck, Burkhart is believed to a foreign national from Germany.

It is thought his mother is said to have faced a deportation hearing in Los Angeles County within the last two weeks.

Firefighters have not responded to any other suspicious fires since Burkhart was detained, Moore said.

130

119  ""  Rand Paul jut finished up with Gretchen on FNC, dropping all pretense there is any sunlight between him and Crazy Dad on any issue. ""

I was so disappointed in Rand.  He must be hoping for a big inheritance.

 

131 If Obama was to be elected for 4 terms and packed the Supreme Court with communists then yes, he would be bad.

We still have not recovered from FDR and his court packing. FDR also brought in the rapid advance of socialism. LBJ finished it off. Obama is bringing in communism now. If he is elected for a second term he will advance to second place ahead of LBJ.

132 We were actually already in the war with Germany before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. And then he dedicated almost all the availbale assets to the European front while GIs in the Pacific died at the end of the vine.

Posted by: Vic at January 03, 2012 08:54 AM (YdQQY)

Well he had to help take the heat off of his comrades in the Kremlin.

133 Posted by: Reactionary at January 03, 2012 09:06 AM (xUM1Q)
The FDR pre-Pearl support activities were mostly to ensure that Hitler's threat to Uncle Joe's control of the USSR were thwarted.

134 Obama is bringing in communism now. If he is elected for a second term he will advance to second place ahead of LBJ.

Posted by: Vic at January 03, 2012 09:12 AM (YdQQY)

 

That vile LBJ was a real piece of work - a typical leftist hypocrite. 

This is hearsay so take it FWIW, but last night I spoke with a friend who's aunt was a friend of Lady Bird.  Said aunt was a life-long government employee and got to be at the signing event for the civil rights act.  As soon as the photo op was over, she overheard LBJ say something to the effect of "That's done, now get these n*****s out of here."  Given what I know about LBJ I think it's a pretty believable story.

135

134

OK, Vic, I grant the long-term adverse impact of FDR to the United States. 

However, I still say Obama is actively working to damage the U.S.  For example, why limit drilling for oil by American companies in the Gulf of Mexico while at the same time give billions of dollars to Brazil to drill for oil in the same place?

But FDR certainly be credited for much of the f*cked up sh!t that the SCOAMF is eagerly working to collapse.

136

Right.  We all know that FDR had a man crush on Uncle Joe Stalin, not Hitler.  FDR did basically succeed in his goal, which was to become El Presidente for Life, in as Stalinesque a fashion as would have been possible in the America of that time.  That, and to make the world safer for communism, which apparently was his other major objective.

Posted by: Reactionary at January 03, 2012 08:42 AM (xUM1Q)

A fascist by any other name is still a fascist, and FDR had plenty of those tendencies in him. Taken to the extremes of Hitler or Stalin or Mao, no. But the fascist state-over-all mentality was there.

137 As soon as the photo op was over, she overheard LBJ say something to the effect of "That's done, now get these n*****s out of here."  Given what I know about LBJ I think it's a pretty believable story.

I have heard something very similar to that.

138 Started cleanup on RP thread. Question, any particular commentor who really went off the rails?

139 That would be the guy who ace trashed. He didn't want to clean it up or ban him. He wanted to make a fool out of him and he did that quite well.

140 As soon as the photo op was over, she overheard LBJ say something to the effect of "That's done, now get these n*****s out of here." Given what I know about LBJ I think it's a pretty believable story.

Posted by: Reactionary at January 03, 2012 09:21 AM (xUM1Q)

If I remember correctly, whem LBJ was a U.S. Senator, he blocked a civil rights bill the President Eisenhower was trying to get passed.  LBJ was a nasty piece of work.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a cynical ploy to strip the black vote away from the Republican party.  Unfortunately, it worked.  If you try to tell uniformed people that the Republican party was the key to getting the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed, they don't believe you.

141 all right, so the third grade OWS song.  Keep in mind, y'all, that this happened in the People's Republic of Charlottesville.  You know, where the Code Pink whackos disrupted President Bush's remarks during a July 4 naturalization ceremony at Monticello.

142 Posted by: CAC at January 03, 2012 09:24 AM (C3KwS)

CAC it looks like he changed his handle and is now on the Monty thread. Another stormfront RP hate spewer.

143 Germany declared war on the US.

144

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a cynical ploy to strip the black vote away from the Republican party. Unfortunately, it worked. If you try to tell uniformed people that the Republican party was the key to getting the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed, they don't believe you.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at January 03, 2012 09:29 AM (M0NzJ)

 

Exactly right.  As I recall, LBJ bragged afterward that he had just assured Democrats electoral victory for the next 50 years or something like that.

145 42 Morning all ! Thanks for the news Vic. We had to put our dear male kitty to sleep yesterday. I don't think I will be reading DOOM I already am doom-y enough today. It is freezing ass cold here 28, but supposed to get up to 60 later on, so not too bad. Just as a point of interest SAT has had a rash of killings - like 5 or so in the last week. But noooo we don't have a spillover of drug cartel related violence, nothing to see here, move along..... Posted by: San Antonio Rose at January 03, 2012 07:38 AM (nOFwj) Good morning all, SARose, I am so sorry about your cat, it is so hard to lose a beloved pet. My heart goes out to you. As for Rand Paul, remember, he worships Aqua Buddha. Teh crazy came honest to him. (Just kidding, that was a stupid Noze Brothers thing, and their dweeby way of telling a girl they liked her. Either that or writing about her for their psychology classes. Don't ask me how I know that.)

146 134 If Obama was to be elected for 4 terms and packed the Supreme Court with communists then yes, he would be bad.

We still have not recovered from FDR and his court packing. FDR also brought in the rapid advance of socialism. LBJ finished it off. Obama is bringing in communism now. If he is elected for a second term he will advance to second place ahead of LBJ.

Posted by: Vic at January 03, 2012 09:12 AM (YdQQY)

That's the thing though, there is nothing left to put into place if the Supreme Court upholds any part of Obamacare--everything is already in place, all they need is time.

That's why none on the left really care if Romney is the nominee, it a "heads I win, tails you lose" bet. Even if the SC tosses all of it, Romney will "see it is such an important issue" and will be back with a kinder, gentler version for the Dems to rally around.

I know it's cool by some to crap on RedState around here, but Moe Lane's 10 things about Iowa is right. Especially "What are you going to do, sit this one out?" one. Yes. If you think you're going to convince me that getting a soft, slow ass-rape by Romney is somehow better than getting a jackhammer ass-rape by Obama, well, good luck with that.

147 Hey, we are thinking that flat chests should be made illegal, that would solve that problem. Next they should make dumb politician's dumb children illegal, that would work also.

148 I think McCain's daughter's boobs have it right. Let us make it illegal for dumb politicians to exist, that and dumb politician's dumb children's dumb boobs!

149 San Antonio Rose, My condolences on reading about your cat.

150 There is probably only one solution to our government. A concerted effort to declare the government null and void by a large population. What are they going to do, throw all the producers into re education camps. Who is going to fund it?

By the way, have you heard? This Christmas season has had one of the largest sales ever......................................in guns!

Obama, the gun salesman of the century!

151 #153 I went to two different indoor ranges yesterday in Houston and both had over an hour wait. I'm all for everyone having a gun but this is starting to annoy me. I saw the same phenomenon when Tiger Woods came on the scene. Couldn't get a decent tee time because everyone started playing golf. Obama is the Tiger Woods of gun ownership.

152 SAR, sorry about the kitteh.  My I want outside girl is making the rounds climbing on things while I'm try to catch up the comments.

Would have tickled me to death if the crowd had beat the shit out of them.

Romney voter:  A Republican who has never thrown nor received a beating.

153

If the Japanese hadn't bombed Pearl Harbor, FDR wouldn't have been pushed into getting involved in Europe.

We were already in an undeclared war in the Atlantic before Pearl Harbor.

154 You know, maybe that Park Ranger would still be alive if Holder didn't give out so many guns.

155 The USA actually provoked an attack by Japan in WWII. My daughter learned this in her college  history class.  USA  put sanctions on Japan like we did with Iran (Today). USA has been putting economic sanctions against Iran and now Iran is responding  by blocking an oil supply. War is complicated. My daughter also learned in school that Robber Barrons (Bush grandfather and Rockefeller) actually wanted to provoke WW II to enrich themselves. If it was up to the top 1 percent military/industrial complex capitalists we could always be at war her professor said.

156

Check out "War is a Lie" by David Swanson. My son has been reading this book for school. Good read said his teacher. Doing class presentations on this book.

157 Why we say ‘no deal’ on pensions www.gopetition.com As UNISON representatives and ordinary members we do not believe that the “Heads Of Agreement” on public sector pensions form the basis for settling our dispute with the government over our future pensions....

158 "Have you heard of a ship called the good Reuben James" I know, its by Arlo Guthrie.

159

Thank goodness someone else (Gabe) besides me was supremely annoyed about the tie in to "carrying guns legal in federal parks" element all the damn news media was gratuitously tossing into the reports. Look the asshole would've carried guns into the park regardless of the law, his crime wasn't carrying guns into a federal park, it was shooting up a house party and then killing a park ranger.

Wish it hadn't happened in my state where now I have to listen to weeks of whining about crazy gun nuts and the laws that currently allow them to be crazy gun nuts. Because if guns were against the law no one would ever be shot. Chicago proves that, right? Right?

160 Gabe are you going to do the poll today?
TMI, dude.

161 Oh. That's poll. Never mind.

162 A Taliban ambassador? I volunteer!

163 Forget new gun laws - just make murder illegal.  That way no one will ever be killed again, with or without a gun.

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