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October 12, 2012

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— Gabriel Malor

Happy Friday.

Most of the politics news out there this morning is debate related. But since we all know how that went, I'll just stick with a few items.

The DNC fired the OFA director who James O'Keefe caught coaching a voter to vote in two states.

And Google is caught up in the election again as image search results are turning out odd results for Team Romney. (I won't use the words because I don't want to add to the problem.) Shades of "Google bombing" here.

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1 Good Morning Morons. Today is Friday, October 12, 2012. On this day in 1960 Soviet premier Nikita Krushchev created a disturbance at the U.N. General Assembly by pounding his desk with his shoe. Only a few decades later the JEF created a similar disturbance by flipping a bird while giving an address. Which one was more obscene?

WeÂ’ll start this morning with the debate since it is sucking all the O2 out the news today.

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 02:52 AM (YdQQY)

2 FoxÂ’s take on the debate. They (this one) called out none of BidenÂ’s lies but managed to say Biden called Ryan a liar on something. One must remember the night shift and weekend shift at Fox on-line is more liberal than NBC. (proved later)

http://is.gd/eeUZrm

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 02:53 AM (YdQQY)

3 In a separate story they do point out the conflict between Biden and the State Department over whether of not the WH was told about request for more security in Libya. Of course, he lied. He did the same thing he did in the debate with Palin. He made himself look better to the average uninformed stupid by lying his ass off.

http://is.gd/vMvd4f

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 02:53 AM (YdQQY)

4 However, a different Fox writer lambastes the liberal tilt of the moderator and the unchallenged lies by Biden. Also allowing Biden to continually interrupt and go over time. Of course we expected this. Republicans are going to have to learn that they cannot go to the MFM for debates.

http://is.gd/lRr31a

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 02:53 AM (YdQQY)

5 NBC does call out the lie on Libya and actually calls Biden and Obama liars. IÂ’ll be damned I suspect if I go outside I will see pigs flying across the moon. This is the one thing that is consistent among the news media this morning. They are all killing the Admin on Libya and the ones who mention it out of the debate called Biden a liar.

http://is.gd/h8P6Tm

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 02:53 AM (YdQQY)

6 Liberals are whining about inactive voters being purged from the rolls. This practice has been around since I was a kid and it is designed to purge people who are likely dead or moved away. These SOBs will whine about anything that removed their likely voters.

http://is.gd/PwXpvh

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 02:54 AM (YdQQY)

7 DWS wants PelosiÂ’s job and get a load of this photo.

http://is.gd/pW6ohL

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 02:54 AM (YdQQY)

8 Is Byron York losing it. Appears to be saying Romney needs to be cautious in attacking Obama on handling of Libya. He is full of shit. One thing ALL the news media agreed on in this debate was that Biden lied and they have totally screwed up the Libya issue. Romney needs to hammer this, as well as the shitty economy.

http://is.gd/R7VfRD

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 02:54 AM (YdQQY)

9 USDA is requiring no proof and very little of any evidence that you actually were a farmer when applying for the Pigford-II settlement money. Basically this is a $50,000 payout for being black, a woman, or a Hispanic now. This is obscene. Perhaps I should get my wife to apply. I need a new truck.

http://is.gd/3JzpOH

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 02:54 AM (YdQQY)

10 Kindle Daily Deal:

The Spy Lover

Thrust into the savagery of the Civil War, a Chinese immigrant serving in the Union Army, a nurse doubling as a spy for the North, and a one-armed Confederate cavalryman find their lives inextricably entwined. It's a novel of extraordinary scope and a defining work on the Chinese immigrant experience.

And thatÂ’s it for this morning.

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 02:55 AM (YdQQY)

11 Just based on the personalities last night, who would you invite to a Halloween party? Joe Biden or Paul Ryan?

I bet if you ask that question to solid Democrats, I bet many will pause, get this stricken look on their face, and the hard core will start acting like Biden.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 12, 2012 02:56 AM (9dIqT)

12 get a load of this photo

How about a NSF for warning on that, especially this early in the morning? I almost hurled my Cheerios.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at October 12, 2012 02:58 AM (feFL6)

13 The debate was a bigger disaster for the dems than the first. Biden was insane and said it doesn't matter if Iran gets a nuke. He went from manic random shouting to subdued. Textbook lunacy.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 12, 2012 02:58 AM (uhAkr)

14 Hey Vic, thanks for the info about Nikita and the UN. I made the comparison last night the only difference between Joe and Nikita was Nikita had a shoe.

I did not realized we are celebrating that anniversary along with the attack on the USS Cole.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 12, 2012 02:58 AM (9dIqT)

15 When will the repubs stop participating in debates "moderated" by the enemy? Will they never, ever learn?

Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at October 12, 2012 02:59 AM (Sptt8)

16 On the bright side we are now Beyond Bidendome.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 12, 2012 03:01 AM (9dIqT)

17 Last night was the most unpleasant debate I've ever seen. Can't believe this crazy Biden is our VP. Disgrace. And Martha, whatever her name is, should never-ever moderate a debate again.

Posted by: macintx at October 12, 2012 03:02 AM (teREJ)

18 If a wise man contends with a foolish man, Whether the fool rages or laughs, there is no peace. (Proverbs 29:9) (Posted by someone else on this site.)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 12, 2012 03:03 AM (0nogT)

19 Morning Media Narrative - Post Debate Edition

CNN
- Stats, grins and 'malarkey': What we learned at the VP debate
- More feisty than bosses: Who Won
- Moderator Raddatz the real winner

MSNBC
- Biden plays aggressor as Ryan makes GOP case
- Analysis: No Clear Winner
- European Union Wins Nobel Peace Prize

ABC
- Fact Checking the Vice Presidential Debate
- Laughing Joe Steals Show at VP Debate
- US: Hackers in Iran Responsible for Cyberattacks

CBS
- Fireworks fly at VP Debate
- Feisty Biden gives Democrats reason to smile
- Poll: Biden Takes Debate Over Ryan, Voters Say

FOX
- Biden, Ryan Come Ready to Rumble
- Biden's Demeanor During Debate Called Disrespectful
- Bias Alert: Liberal Media Differs on Debate Spin

USA Today
- Analysis: Biden More Aggressive than His Boss
- Debate Moments: 'Now Your Jack Kennedy'
- Fact Check: A 2nd Look at Biden and Ryan's claims

Posted by: General Woundwort at October 12, 2012 03:03 AM (06lNq)

20 Biden sucks! I haven't read Byron York this am yet. Brit Hume said Biden was rude and he's never seen anyone that bad.

Posted by: CarolT at October 12, 2012 03:04 AM (z4WKX)

21 I did not realized we are celebrating that anniversary along with the attack on the USS Cole.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 12, 2012 06:58 AM (9dIqT)

Yeah, it was a tossup on which I was going to put up but when available, I like to add some humor. No way to do that with the Cole.

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 03:04 AM (YdQQY)

22 Stay tuned for the Friday Night Document Dump. They probably think they have good cover, what with the SCOAMTT's buffoonalope's laughter still hanging in the air.

Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at October 12, 2012 03:04 AM (Sptt8)

23 So, any predictions for next week's TFG vs. The Puritan Punisher? Mitt will of course win on truth and likability. Will TFG imitate Joe and do the angry half-black man routine????

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 12, 2012 03:04 AM (+tqYo)

24 On a more pleasant note, good morning Vic. Did you actually watch this one?

Posted by: macintx at October 12, 2012 03:04 AM (teREJ)

25 If History is any lesson, O'Keefe has a few more of those videos. More heads to roll?

Posted by: Boone at October 12, 2012 03:04 AM (tIyK2)

Just trawling around online, the reaction to the debate seems to be basically a hard fought draw......"both sides went toe to toe, clashed over issues, more fired up than the Presidentail debate, highlighted the divisions between the parties, no clear winner unlike last week", etc, etc.

So.....with no critical knockout punch scored by either side, Libya and Biden's over-the-top performance seem to be the two big takeouts from the debate. That's pretty good news really for RR.

Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 12, 2012 03:05 AM (RstsB)

90 minutes in a nutshell:

Ryan starts describing the Romney tax plan.

Biden: (Shakes head, grins.) That's crazy, it will never work.

Ryan: It's been done before.

Biden: No it hasn't.

Ryan: Kennedy did it, Reagan di--

Biden: So now you're Jack Kennedy?

Martah Raddatz: Let's move on.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at October 12, 2012 03:06 AM (tpi5T)

Why do the comments remove random spaces from between words?

Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 12, 2012 03:06 AM (RstsB)

29 7DWS wants PelosiÂ’s job and get a load of this photo.

http://is.gd/pW6ohL

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 06:54 AM (YdQQY)

Gee, thanks Vic. My cat looked at that pic and turned to stone....

Posted by: Cicero Kid at October 12, 2012 03:06 AM (Do9O0)

Even MSNBC concedes "no clear winner".

Most of us would take that wouldn't we?

Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 12, 2012 03:07 AM (RstsB)

31 On a more pleasant note, good morning Vic. Did you actually watch this one?

Posted by: macintx at October 12, 2012 07:04 AM (teREJ)

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 03:08 AM (YdQQY)

32 Even MSNBC concedes "no clear winner".

Most of us would take that wouldn't we?

Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 12, 2012 07:07 AM (RstsB)

The conservative press of course said Ryan was the winner, all the rest of the MFM said no winner which is what they say when they lose.

The polls done by the liberal networks said Ryan won.

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 03:10 AM (YdQQY)

33 So.....with no critical knockout punch scored by either side, Libya and Biden's over-the-top performance seem to be the two big takeouts from the debate. That's pretty good news really for RR.

Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 12, 2012 07:05 AM (RstsB)

That's what I was thinking after scanning around for a bit, too. The MSM seems to actually be reporting on Libya (and the admin's BS about it) now, and Biden was obnoxious...especially, seems like, to a number of female blogger/observers who generally don't care much for Republicans...something along the lines of "Biden sounded/acted like everything that makes women hate to talk to men sometimes" or thereabouts. I think that line is from Althouse on her blog. So, hopefully the move of female votes to RR will continue...I don't think Crazy Uncle Joe did anything to fix that.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at October 12, 2012 03:10 AM (qEkGZ)

34 I thought Biden appeared juvenile with his animated facial expressions. Ryan could have held his head straight during delivery and it would have helped his appearence. This is the VP debate, and i agreed with the Lunz focus group that my needle did not move one way or tha other based on it. I was shocked the moderator came out swinging with Libya right from the get-go. Biden got pummeled by the truth and lied thru his teeth about request for additional security.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at October 12, 2012 03:11 AM (Do9O0)

35 @27 The Jack Kennedy line was eyerolling stupid. Biden was a disaster. They just don't realize it yet because he was shouty and the left thinks that's debating.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 12, 2012 03:12 AM (uhAkr)

36 Noonan hearts Raddatz. Why am I not surprised.

I swear to god Noonan is on the Andi Sullivan trajectory in slow motion.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at October 12, 2012 03:12 AM (nOh+I)

37 No

Good thing. I was so pissed off at Slow Joe continually talking over, laughing, and mocking Ryan I wanted to put my fist through the screen. Even the apolitical wife said she wanted to slap him.

I'm sure he was pumped up on something, thinking maybe he was wearing a testosterone patch under each arm, affixed to his testicles with super glue, and the last one shoved up his @ss.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at October 12, 2012 03:12 AM (feFL6)

38 Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 06:54 AM (YdQQY)

I lost all respect for Byron York back during the R primaries. Noting has happened since to change my mind.

Q: If the RNC is too stupid to vet the proposed moderators or to insist that at least one debate be moderated by Britt Hume, why should I send them money?

A: I will make an exception due to the existential crisis, but the question still remains valid!

Posted by: Hrothgar (Rhetorician at large ) at October 12, 2012 03:12 AM (Cnqmv)

39 Noonan hearts Raddatz. Why am I not surprised.

I swear to god Noonan is on the Andi Sullivan trajectory in slow motion.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at October 12, 2012 07:12 AM (nOh+I)

It's only slow because she's too decrepit to move any faster.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at October 12, 2012 03:14 AM (qEkGZ)

40 I'm channel surfing the cable and network news this am and I keep hearing how amazing Martha Raddatz was as mod. I don't think I was watching the same debate as these delusional assholes.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik at October 12, 2012 03:14 AM (YOZSv)

41 Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 12, 2012 07:06 AM (RstsB)

A Commodore 64 server does what it wants with text!

Posted by: Hrothgar (Rhetorician at large ) at October 12, 2012 03:15 AM (Cnqmv)

42 I can't decide if I like "Cacklin' Joe" or "Sneerin' Joe" better as nick names for Biden.

Posted by: Matt in Maine at October 12, 2012 03:15 AM (gWLRb)

43 Very odd, the 'laughing' video has only 301 views, but 2,222 likes and 290 dislikes. Surely they're not fudging the number to make it look like there's no interest....nah, they'd never do that. Why are effective Republican videos only ever viewed by 301 people? Are these the same 301 people every time? inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: Oklahoman at October 12, 2012 03:15 AM (jXYA+)

44 Vic, very smart of you.

Posted by: macintx at October 12, 2012 03:16 AM (teREJ)

45 I can't decide if I like "Cacklin' Joe" or "Sneerin' Joe" better as nick names for Biden.

Posted by: Matt in Maine at October 12, 2012 07:15 AM (gWLRb)

Jackass Joe?

Posted by: davidinvirginia at October 12, 2012 03:16 AM (qEkGZ)

46 Silly, naive grown-up scout that I am, I kept trying to figure out what Biden was laughing at. When they were on SCOAMTTcare, I figured he was laughing because he knew it wouldn't apply to him, and so on. Then I thought he's laughing thinking about the fact it doesn't matter what he says; the moderator and MFM have his back. Then it finally came to me that he is just a crazy fool.

Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at October 12, 2012 03:17 AM (Sptt8)

47 Smarmy, smiley, smirky Biden. Learned nothing from Gore in 2000. The American general population doesn't like a jackass.

Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at October 12, 2012 03:17 AM (9ek7+)

48 Posted by: Ms Choksondik at October 12, 2012 07:14 AM (YOZSv)

The MFM is protecting one of their own, so you will never see a harsh word directed at partisan hack and Obama friend Raddatz, as she is a totally unbiased non-partisan observer journalist, one of the highest callings in the cronysphere.

Posted by: Hrothgar (Rhetorician at large ) at October 12, 2012 03:18 AM (Cnqmv)

49 My take is Ryan was ernest, factual and serious. At times he was facing two opponents and handled himself as best he could.

Joe was Meandering, Deceitful and Disrespectful, he received help and lifelines from the 'moderator' throughout the evening.

The one thing Joe had on his side was energy, which his adherents have lapped up.

It doesn't matter that his answers were flat out lies or that he meandered, he did what he had to do, which was be better than Obama.

I think Romney understands now that the deck is stacked against him going into the next debate.

He will plan accordingly.

Because Obama is going to come out swinging and with a friendly moderator he could potentially do some damage.

Posted by: General Woundwort at October 12, 2012 03:19 AM (06lNq)

50 That Kennedy remark was maybe the moment I thought Ryan was getting the most pissed.

Posted by: uterus cannon at October 12, 2012 03:19 AM (3ZtZW)

51 Good morning everyone. Yesterday I posted that Joe Biden would be overly aggressive, that Paul Ryan would be respectful, calm, factual, and reasonable. I also posted that the job of Paul Ryan would be to introduce himself to that part of the American audience who is not acquainted with him, and show them that he is not scary or evil, but rather is serious, smart, sane, a man of character and conviction, and someone worthy of our trust. I believe I got that just about right, if I do say so myself.

The take-away from this debate seems to be that this was an ugly altercation between a bar-bully and the nice kid, and the nice kid stood his ground.

I cannot imagine any independent undecided voter, particularly women, watching that debate would be more inclined to vote for Obama-Biden after last night's performance by Smirking Joe.

Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at October 12, 2012 03:20 AM (P6QsQ)

52 Missed the debate last night, but it looks like it turned out a'ight. The real test will be the next Obama debate, the media has their "comeback" articles pre-written and ready to print.

Posted by: JDTAY at October 12, 2012 03:21 AM (a0nis)

53 Raddatz behaved very badly AND did a very bad job. It was an ugly display of breathtaking incompetence and bias. To even suggest that she did an adequate job is to insult the truth, the audience, and fairness.

Posted by: Will Never Vote For a dhimmocrat at October 12, 2012 03:22 AM (kXoT0)

On the business that counts for this debate: Did Ryan show that he could step into the shoes of a President Romney if the occasion demands it? I think he did, but I do wonder what the average voter thought. I also thought Joe confirmed he wasn't able to do that.

Posted by: uterus cannon at October 12, 2012 03:22 AM (3ZtZW)

Amazing that biden said he has full confidence in our intelligence on Iran, and there's nothing to worry about. Then he blames our intelligence for the lack of understanding on what happened in Libya. What a dumbass. This needs to be an RNC ad!

Posted by: Havedash at October 12, 2012 03:23 AM (ToMJU)

56 So has Miss Piggy Noonan weighed in yet on the awesomeness of Martha "the spicy" Raddish?

Posted by: Terminator at October 12, 2012 03:24 AM (8c95u)

57 My husband is searching the interwebs for transcripts. Most of the liberal sites are calling Plugs statement about his vote 'against' the two wars "crosstalk" are are trying to bury his whopper lie. Spouse specifically said NPR and ABC transcripts

Posted by: Dish of Red at October 12, 2012 03:25 AM (Dmq63)

@55

My takeaway from what I saw:

Ryan's biggest flaw was that he came off a bit stiff and wonkish at times, maybe a bit too polite and not aggressive enough when challenged.

Biden's biggest flaw was that he came off like an unhinged hot head and condescending jerk.

I think I know which "flaw" most people would be more comfortable with in their potential President.

Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 12, 2012 03:26 AM (RstsB)

59 Martha Raddatz is a transman.

http://tinyurl.com/96ywpln

Posted by: Bobby Shandy at October 12, 2012 03:27 AM (b1iOR)

60 The foaming left's joy over Blustery Joe will be short-lived. Eventually it will dawn on them that he alienated Undecideds through his boorish behavior. Then they will apply this to their own boorish behavior and broken relationships, which will make them mad, until their anger turns into depression. Then the Zoloft.

Posted by: Cricket at October 12, 2012 03:27 AM (8c95u)

61 I am not looking forward to the bs townhall debate, sure to be moderated by and planted with the enemy. At least Romney will play his own game and not become distracted by the thought the moderator or opponent could possibly be in earnest. Why can't we have an honest Q and A, same Qs? Uninterrupted answers in soundproof booths that are not interrupted. Sound cut if they do not answer the question. Live fact checking, with penalties for lies to include progressively worsening penalties. Such as candidate dropping into vat of pigshit. Ratings through the roof!

Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at October 12, 2012 03:27 AM (Sptt8)

62 How in the world can there be undecided left? Just listening to FOX about those all-intelligent undecided.

Posted by: macintx at October 12, 2012 03:27 AM (teREJ)

63 I just kept thinking to myself--that lying fool with Jack O'Lantern grin full of bleached teeth is one heartbeat away from the Presidency. It is terrifying to contemplate that fact accompanied by the knowledge that the true state of obama's health is a carefully shrouded secret.

I can honestly say that I now will be voting against biden as much as I will be against obama. I did not think that was possible.

Posted by: Will Never Vote For a dhimmocrat at October 12, 2012 03:28 AM (kXoT0)

64 Everyone agreed that Biden behaved like an asshole. Everyone agreed that he lied about the WH and Libya.

All should have agreed that he lied about everything else.

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 03:29 AM (YdQQY)

65 Krauthammer summed the Veep debate up. o/t, but I like the flavuh of this: http://preview.tinyurl.com/9so3nxu You'll see it links to an MSNBC site, if you're boycotting. Is it just me, but do many at the line seem to know that L'il Barry actually is a Communist? And speaking of which.... NetFlix streaming put "Dreams From My Real Father" up. (Streaming service is under $6/mo, cheaper than driving to a theater and buying a ticket.)

Posted by: Thorvald at October 12, 2012 03:29 AM (1V6Pv)

66 Lanny Davis, former counsel to Bill Clinton, says Paul Ryan hit a home run last night. Of course he also praised Biden's performance, and called the debate "a draw" based on Biden not being able to change the image of the President no matter what he said.

http://bit.ly/RTaD3S

Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at October 12, 2012 03:29 AM (P6QsQ)

67 51. Mama Winger
You would thin that.
Heard a woman in the Luntz (?) group last night on Fox say that Biden had a wonderful grasp of the facts and the experience to be the President if needed.
If we have a lot of the undecideds and indies like this woman, R/R are toast.
I weep every time at this kind of crap.

Posted by: LRBnSC at October 12, 2012 03:29 AM (Qp3K5)

68 #9 When they first announced that program a friend of mine in Florida and I (here in Indiana) requested applications because we wanted to see the criteria.

Neither of us, registered Republicans both, got an application.

I sent that info to Breitbart but no one ever contacted us.

Posted by: Miss Marple at October 12, 2012 03:31 AM (GoIUi)

69 I'm calling Biden "Chucklehead" from now on. Someone could make a maniacal Halloween figure of him - - a head that just bobs around and chuckles creepily and inappropriately, all the time

Posted by: Rocky at October 12, 2012 03:31 AM (X7AZR)

70 As much of a jackalope as Biden is, his incompetency as CiC would be dwarfed by the outright path to destruction our beloved SCOAMTT is on. I have to believe that the rise and fall of the SCOAMTT will live in infamy. That, or we get what we deserve. Which we don't all deserve.

Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at October 12, 2012 03:32 AM (Sptt8)

71 Anyone who says they are undecided at this point is either ignorant, a liar, or an ignorant liar.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at October 12, 2012 03:32 AM (BfZ1r)

72 From MSNBC to call it a draw, they must secretly fear the Ryan won on style and substance.

Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at October 12, 2012 03:32 AM (he2LC)

73 Even Chris Wallace said that he has never seen anyone be as disrepectful as Biden was to Ryan last night.

Posted by: Darth Randall at October 12, 2012 03:32 AM (lxc0s)

74 So has Miss Piggy Noonan weighed in yet on the awesomeness of Martha "the spicy" Raddish?

Posted by: Terminator at October 12, 2012 07:24 AM (8c95u)

------------

Not sure about her comments on Martha, as I have not read her entire piece this morning, but she does have some things to say about Old Joe and Young Ryan.

http://on.wsj.com/WZVDTg

Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at October 12, 2012 03:32 AM (P6QsQ)

75 @36 Is there another moron who appreciates the sublime Capt. Beefheart? http://preview.tinyurl.com/9fgw3oz (Sadly, Don V.V. was firmly into the "shut up and sing" category.)

Posted by: Thorvald at October 12, 2012 03:33 AM (1V6Pv)

76 I'm convinced that Biden's buffoonery will play more and more poorly with time, and that we'll see ads with the split screen of Ryan talking about things like Iranian nukes while Biden chuckles ostentatiously. Obvious ad: Mr. VP, we think Iranian nukes are a deadly serious problem. Why are they amusing to you?

Better but unlikely: What's funny? Am I a clown, Joey? Do I amuse you?

Posted by: pep at October 12, 2012 03:34 AM (YXmuI)

77 ...The Jack Kennedy line was eyerolling stupid.

Biden was a disaster. They just don't realize it yet because he was shouty and the left thinks that's debating.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 12, 2012 07:12 AM (uhAkr)
==============================================================

On the Kennedy line; he was obviously going for a reprisal of the Bentson line from 1988- as he was no doubt coached to do.

That not withstanding, the whole debate was just chock full of fodder (both audio and cisual) for RR ads.

Biden really is the "Gift that Keeps on Giving".

Posted by: Nighthawk at October 12, 2012 03:34 AM (RSqz2)

78 a number of female blogger/observers who generally don't care much for Republicans...something along the lines of "Biden sounded/acted like everything that makes women hate to talk to men sometimes"

That kind of fits in with my tin-foil hat theory that Biden was 'doping' with testosterone. Perhaps as a knee-jerk reaction to Obama's poor first debate. I've taken the stuff before and it makes me verbally very aggressive. Whereas weight lifting (Ryan) 'ups' the testosterone level naturally without that side effect.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at October 12, 2012 03:34 AM (feFL6)

79 At one point Both Biden and Radditz were yelling at Ryan

Posted by: Beto at October 12, 2012 03:35 AM (BAnPT)

80 I hope Mitt's team fully realizes what they are up against in the next two debates. Many times during last night's debate, Ryan was debating that vicious scrunt as well as biden. It was a truly remarkable display of bias. She actually badgered Ryan several times while he was trying to answer her question. Damn these people to hell where they belong! Ryan did very well. He came across as the ONLY adult in the room. I hate these lying SOBs with a passion. Our forefathers are way past rolling over in their graves. The past 4 years have shown us how great civilizations die. If there's any hope for this country, these people must be destroyed.

Posted by: Havedash at October 12, 2012 03:35 AM (ToMJU)

81 @18 Amen.

Posted by: Thorvald at October 12, 2012 03:35 AM (1V6Pv)

82 Why yes, I just skimmed to the bottom of Miss Peggy Noonan's otherwise pretty good piece, and saw that she thinks Miss Martha Radditz was excellent.

Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at October 12, 2012 03:35 AM (P6QsQ)

Biden: So now you're Jack Kennedy?

Once a plagiarist, always a plagiarist.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 12, 2012 03:36 AM (JxMoP)

84 @79 AAAARGH! JOE SMASH!

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 12, 2012 03:36 AM (a0nis)

85 I can't decide if I like "Cacklin' Joe" or "Sneerin' Joe" better as nick names for Biden.

Posted by: Matt in Maine at October 12, 2012 07:15 AM (gWLRb)
=============================================================

I'm sticking with "Drunk and Obnoxious" Joe myself...

Posted by: Nighthawk at October 12, 2012 03:37 AM (RSqz2)

86 #51 My sister, a moderate Romney voter, and my daughter, a disgusted democrat who is voting for Romney due to the economy, watched with me last night.

Both were repulsed and outraged by Biden. Daughter said she always sort of liked him and he pretty much killed her impression of him last night.

Posted by: Miss Marple at October 12, 2012 03:37 AM (GoIUi)

Awoke this morning to Bob Schieffer on the radio, singing the praises of that young whippersnapper, Biden.

I've got to find a new radio station.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 12, 2012 03:38 AM (l3vZN)

88 @87 GWAAAAR!!! *picks up chair, smashes it between hands*

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 12, 2012 03:39 AM (a0nis)

89 At one point Both Biden and Radditz were yelling at Ryan

Posted by: Beto at October 12, 2012 07:35 AM (BAnPT)

Obviously you must be a Republican and don't understand how the MFM enforces debate impartiality and integrity! They were merely COUNSELING Ryan about his lies and misunderstanding of the facts!

Posted by: Hrothgar (Rhetorician at large ) at October 12, 2012 03:39 AM (Cnqmv)

Many times during last night's debate, Ryan was debating that vicious scrunt as well as biden. It was a truly remarkable display of bias. She actually badgered Ryan several times while he was trying to answer her question.

Better him than me. I would've been sorely tempted to ask her if she was a moderator or an interrogator and then mentioned that I realize that the President was a guest at her wedding and that her former husband is the chairman of the FCC but could she at least make an attempt to be objective?

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 12, 2012 03:40 AM (JxMoP)

91 Biden kept hammering the 47%, and I was thinking, if you are trying to sway undecideds, do they even know what you mean? And yet he kept at it, like it was tattooed on his eyeballs.

The one line that got a reaction from the crowd was Ryan's quip about Biden knowing something about misspeaking, and you could tell Biden was ticked off by it. He repeatedly said essentially that he always tells the truth, and always means everything that comes out of his mouth.

There's an ad right there, RNC. Use it?

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2012 03:41 AM (BeSEI)

Biden is receiving some praise and good press, but even that is more about simply "being aggressive" and "putting his party's views" rather than actually winning or even scoring a decisive punch against Ryan.

It's not the joy of victory, it's the relief of not being beaten as badly as last week.

Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 12, 2012 03:41 AM (RstsB)

93 As disrespectful and idiotic at Crazy Joe was, potential voters watching the MFM will never know anything but he is their champion. Seriously, I watched some CNN and MSN yesterday, which is bad for blood pressure but does count as a credit on purgatory, and the word "spin" doesn't even cover it. I have to think that at least a fair number of these shills are more intelligent than to believe the left meme but espouse it as being the means to their end. Ya think?

Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at October 12, 2012 03:42 AM (Sptt8)

94 @92 GWAAAAAAAAAAAR! JOE SMASH! *picks up tea service, twists it*

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 12, 2012 03:42 AM (a0nis)

95 91. Which wedding? 1st, 2nd or 3rd?

Posted by: LRBnSC at October 12, 2012 03:43 AM (Qp3K5)

96 I kind of wish Paul Ryan would have stopped in mid sentence, looked squarely at numb nuts and said "Shut the fuck up while I am talking" and then continied w/o skipping a beat.

Ryan is too civil to do that but I was doing it.

Posted by: sTevo at October 12, 2012 03:43 AM (VMcEw)

97 83 Why yes, I just skimmed to the bottom of Miss Peggy Noonan's otherwise pretty good piece, and saw that she thinks Miss Martha Radditz was excellent.

Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at October 12, 2012 07:35 AM (P6QsQ)

Yeah, aside from the nonsense about FTM Martha, Noonan's commentary was pretty decent.

I think if Biden had somehow controlled his nervous laughter and associated BS, he would have been considered *rightly* the winner, lies notwithstanding. Fortunately, this administration is as destructive of itself as it is of our economy.

Posted by: Bobby Shandy at October 12, 2012 03:44 AM (b1iOR)

98 Biden: So now you're Jack Kennedy?

The appropriate response to that would have been, "No, are you still Neil Kinnock?"

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 12, 2012 03:44 AM (sbV1u)

99 From Twitter:

Paul Ryan is the kid solving calculus problems on the blackboard. Joe Biden is the kid making fart sounds in the back of the room

Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at October 12, 2012 03:46 AM (P6QsQ)

100 What Republican should do for all future debates is have the MFM do two and someone like the ACU do two. And have breaks at 15 min intervals for sponsors.

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 03:47 AM (YdQQY)

101 @99

I don't think Biden even remembers anything about that but the baffled look on his face and Martha's would have been priceless.

Posted by: General Woundwort at October 12, 2012 03:47 AM (06lNq)

102 In discussions of the Stimulus, I would like to hear R/R hammer home how Obama disavowed "shovel-ready projects." $800 billion dollars later and he learns some basic economics.

Posted by: Bobby Shandy at October 12, 2012 03:48 AM (b1iOR)

103 I like the nick "Jackalope Joe". It conveys the humor and unbelievability, and memories of my favorite kiddie movie, "Scooby Doo and the Aliens".

Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at October 12, 2012 03:48 AM (Sptt8)

104 Paul Ryan is the kid solving calculus problems on the blackboard. Joe Biden is the kid making fart sounds in the back of the room Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at October 12, 2012 07:46 AM (P6QsQ) My mother was a math teacher so I knew the math backwards and forward, but I was still making fart sounds in the back of the room

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 12, 2012 03:48 AM (oSFWF)

105 I have to think it's strategy, and nothing more than that, because Ryan decidedly DID NOT whip out misstatements from either Biden or Obumbles. As they were talking about who would get soaked with a tax increase, Ryan could have easily worked in the "at some point you've made enough," and "you didn't build that" comments.

I think the strategy is, if it's older than a few days, it's too old to use. Which would make Biden's repeated "47%!!!" harping a mistake, even though the all-knowing pundits would consider it a zinger every time it got used.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2012 03:48 AM (BeSEI)

106 Flashback: Remember this ?

Clint Eastwood ripped on Joe Biden at the RNC 2012 Convention.

Clint to The Empty Chair, Â“YouÂ’re getting as bad as Biden. Of course we all know Biden is the intellect of the Democratic PartyÂ… Just kind of a grin with a body behind it.Â”

http://bit.ly/RTcwxt

Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at October 12, 2012 03:49 AM (P6QsQ)

107 I could only make it about 50 minutes. I wanted to punch Biden in the face so bad. Mr. Black sat there with the remote covering Biden's half of the screen because of all the buffoonish smiling, snorting, eye rolling assholishness that was only display on the left side of our screen.

I pondered this question this morning. Who is more arrogant, Obama or Biden? They both are some seriously arrogant assholes. What a prize package for the American people, the cream of the crop.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 12, 2012 03:49 AM (lTVJy)

108 BTW, this meme that Jackalope Joe's smirks and laughs may have been a facial tick are purely complimentary.

Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at October 12, 2012 03:49 AM (Sptt8)

109

You wingnuts are in full fear mode. Biden destroyed Ryan and mde him look like a clueless oaf. Biden was more passionate for the middle class, and brought out the truth that Romney and Ryan will tax the middle class back to the stone age.

Ten point bump for Obama/Biden by Tuesday, when Romney traditionally craters.

Posted by: Gregg at October 12, 2012 03:52 AM (VrVBw)

110 @97
As gratifying as Ryan telling off Joe Bozon would have been, that would play right into their hands. Biden's goal for the evening was to get Ryan to overreact, so that he could then say he was a scary yoot and out of control. Ryan didn't play that game, and so won the debate.

Posted by: pep at October 12, 2012 03:52 AM (YXmuI)

111 That Kennedy remark was maybe the moment I thought Ryan was getting the most pissed.

So I'm not the only that who noticed that. Excellent. And yes; Ryan did look like he wanted to smack Joe so hard that the audience would have bruises.

Posted by: NR Pax at October 12, 2012 03:53 AM (6I+f5)

112 In discussions of the Stimulus, I would like to hear R/R hammer home how Obama disavowed "shovel-ready projects." $800 billion dollars later and he learns some basic economics.

Posted by: Bobby Shandy at October 12, 2012 07:48 AM (b1iOR)

And continuing to "learn it". Not being mention by anyone in the media, they are still doing the same amount of "stimulus" every year thanks to the Dem Senate and balless Republicans in the House.

Wit the worthless porkulus they jacked up spending to 4T a year with a 1.1T deficit. We have had that same amount of spending and deficit every year because the Senate will not pass a spending bill and the House in order to keep from doing a shutdown passes CRs which continue the same level of spending as the first year they were in when Dems controlled both houses.

So in effect the Dems still control both houses with respect to the spending.

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 03:53 AM (YdQQY)

113 NBC's David Gregory on Joe Biden's performance: You Don't Lose Your Cool If You Have Facts On Your Side. Biden over-the-top.

http://bit.ly/Qp4UR4

Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at October 12, 2012 03:54 AM (P6QsQ)

114 @51. Yes, you called it mama winger. I said he would lie, get loud and more or less act like a jerk. That's what he did when he "debated" Palin.

Posted by: Case at October 12, 2012 03:54 AM (gyQY/)

115 Clint to The Empty Chair, Â“YouÂ’re getting as bad as Biden. Of course we all know
Biden is the intellect of the Democratic PartyÂ… Just kind of a grin
with a body behind it.Â”

http://bit.ly/RTcwxt

Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at October 12, 2012 07:49 AM (P6QsQ)

Clint has proven to be truly prophetic, both in his empty chair and biden's "grin with a body behind it".

Posted by: Havedash at October 12, 2012 03:56 AM (ToMJU)

116 Posted by: Gregg at October 12, 2012 07:52 AM (VrVBw)

Ahhh, I'm always up for a good Greg sock.

But you, kid, you got work to do.

Now, go and kill some more brain cells, then come back and try again.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 12, 2012 03:57 AM (sbV1u)

117 As gratifying as Ryan telling off Joe Bozon would have been, that would play right into their hands. Biden's goal for the evening was to get Ryan to overreact, so that he could then say he was a scary yoot and out of control. Ryan didn't play that game, and so won the debate.

Posted by: pep at October 12, 2012 07:52 AM (YXmuI)

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Exactly right. The aim was to go with the meme that Ryan "get's testy." The goal was to provoke him into frustration and get him to say something they could use as a hammering soundbite. They failed. He did not rise to the bait.

Watching him for 14 years, I did not have too many worries that he would. I have never seen him get angry or flustered. They were barking up the wrong tree.

Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at October 12, 2012 03:58 AM (P6QsQ)

118 Hey mama winger, I found Leinie's here, so I'm good now.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 12, 2012 03:58 AM (sbV1u)

119 I think Paul Ryan did very well against Biden and Radish. The good ones can go one-on-two and come out looking good.

Posted by: Truman North at October 12, 2012 04:00 AM (I2LwF)

120 Straight-jacket Joe - Anne Franks crazy roommate - Los Diablos locos tio
Idiot Wind -

Posted by: President pardoned Turkey at October 12, 2012 04:01 AM (Y//vu)

121 The past 4 years have shown us how great civilizations die. If there's any hope for this country, these people must be destroyed.

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I couldn't agree more.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 12, 2012 04:01 AM (lTVJy)

122 62

I was thinking the same things. The debate last night was a joke. I actually tuned in to try and learn a little more about Ryan. It reminded me more of a Oreilly interview. I hate it when they constantly talk over people.

Posted by: Bruce at October 12, 2012 04:02 AM (JI+T4)

123 after watching a few minutes of Biden's screaming & interruptions, I went to bed. Then I tossed & turned all night.

Thank God I have yall to tell me how it went

Posted by: kelley in virginia at October 12, 2012 04:02 AM (HNwOT)

124 Biden is still screaming at Ryan even though they have left:

http://is.gd/ACVmXD

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 04:04 AM (YdQQY)

125 113 And continuing to "learn it". Not being mention by anyone in the media, they are still doing the same amount of "stimulus" every year thanks to the Dem Senate and balless Republicans in the House.

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 07:53 AM (YdQQY)

And Obama called for $100 billion in new construction stimulus in early 2011, this after the "no such thing as shovel-ready projects" admission.

Obama 2012 = Doing the same shit and expecting different results.

Posted by: Bobby Shandy at October 12, 2012 04:05 AM (b1iOR)

126 It was uuuuuuuugly the whole night. No one won last night, especially voters.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 46% more DOOM! at October 12, 2012 04:05 AM (MrM2k)

127 My prediction: sometime this morning, team Biden blames the cough medicine.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 12, 2012 04:06 AM (/i3Yt)

128 I learned something last night that I had suspected. I cannot watch debates. The outright bullshit makes me drink way too much and I scream at the TV. Then by the end, I end up in tears of frustration because these fucks are allowed to get away with blatant lying. it's just not worth going through. What can I say...I'm a sensitive girl.

Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at October 12, 2012 04:06 AM (ETWo2)

129 I suspect that in the coming days, Chuckles the Clown's debate performance will be downgraded as people learn about his lies on his votes and pleas for adequate Libya security. Snarky and smart is annoying. Snarky and lying is offensive.

Posted by: USA at October 12, 2012 04:06 AM (RIg+t)

130 Hey mama winger, I found Leinie's here, so I'm good now.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 12, 2012 07:58 AM (sbV1u)

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You did? Wonderful! I hope you bought it by the barrel - enjoy!

Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at October 12, 2012 04:08 AM (P6QsQ)

131 I used to think Biden was just a likeable goofball. Last night he proved to me he is really a mean spirited asshole.

Posted by: lan sing at October 12, 2012 04:08 AM (FHAk3)

132 only 5% of the money raised by the pink kit goes to charity..... http://bit.ly/WawQfB that's embarrassing

Posted by: phoenixgirl what did huma abedin know? team dagny at October 12, 2012 04:25 AM (Ho2rs)

133 Well back finally. Must have killed the blog stomping on each other.

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 04:32 AM (YdQQY)

134 This is why I never use Google. Well, one of the reasons. Privacy issues and the fact that it's endorsed by the poet laureate of bull dykes, Rosie O'Donnell, are also reasons why I only use Bing.

Posted by: Uncle Mikey at October 12, 2012 04:36 AM (8qoXL)

135 This thread is likely dead now.

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 04:39 AM (YdQQY)

136 This thread is likely dead now.

And we hardly knew it.

Posted by: NR Pax at October 12, 2012 04:49 AM (6I+f5)

137 Just checking

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2012 05:06 AM (YdQQY)

138 84 Biden: So now you're Jack Kennedy?

Once a plagiarist, always a plagiarist.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 12, 2012 07:36 AM (JxMoP)

DING

THREAD WINNER!

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 12, 2012 07:46 AM (ovpNn)