November 20, 2012
— Gabriel Malor Happy Tuesday.
An update on the low turnout myth: Yesterday, I wrote that Romney only lagged McCain by about 250K votes (as compared to Obama 2012, who came 6 million votes short of his 2008 total). Well, Romney's numbers are now larger than McCain's -- by about 10,000 votes. And some California votes are still being counted.
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OBAMA SENDING SECRETARY OF STATE CLINTON TO JERUSALEM, RAMALLAH AND CAIRO AMID GAZA CRISIS
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Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 02:47 AM (YdQQY)
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Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 02:49 AM (YdQQY)
In a 28-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Joe Heaton denied a request by Hobby Lobby to prevent the government from enforcing portions of the health care law mandating insurance coverage for contraceptives the company's Christian owners consider objectionable.
He is a George H. W. Bush appointee.
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Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 02:49 AM (YdQQY)
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Berlin Diary
A radio broadcaster and journalist for Edward R. Murrow at CBS, William Shirer began keeping a diary while in Europe during the 1930s. His honest and passionate chronicle is considered the first full record of the rise of the Third Reich and the brutality with which Hitler came to power.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 02:51 AM (YdQQY)
On the "low turnout myth" McCain was no great shakes either. After all, he lost too.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 02:52 AM (YdQQY)
Do you remember when Progressives used to believe...
Actually you would have to understand past positions by candidates who were Progressives way back when the Progressive movement started. So lets do a bit of a refresher course to take a look at where Progressives were on policy and where they are today. This should be fun, no? All that intellectual integrity and stuff, you know? ...
If you only dare to remember what they said and how they have lied to you then, and now.
A Jacksonian
Posted by: panzernashorn at November 20, 2012 02:52 AM (BAnPT)
Which is why neither candidate ran any ads in SC.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 02:54 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: RNC Holliday at November 20, 2012 02:55 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: panzernashorn at November 20, 2012 02:55 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 02:57 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 20, 2012 02:59 AM (feFL6)
And I suspect it will be a worse debacle than this election.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 02:59 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 03:01 AM (OI9vN)
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:03 AM (YdQQY)
PEW study, MFM coverage of Obama turned more favorable during last week of campaign. No negative stories. I want to know when they have ever not been “more favorable” to Obama.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:50 AM
Not more favourable = Barry is kind of hot.
More favourable = Barry excites our love pumps and we totally want to bang him.
...it's nuanced.
Posted by: otho at November 20, 2012 03:03 AM (yBF/9)
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Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 20, 2012 03:05 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 03:08 AM (XkWWK)
We used to be able to say "we fought a revolution over 200 years ago so we wouldn't have to listen to pompous English twits," but that was before Obama.
We're one world now. When the British tell us how to do Thanksgiving, we must listen to them if it means saving the life of a turkey.
And speaking of turkey, I saw the Russians are now pushing for U.N. action on Gaza.
Lovely. Russian, the conscience of the world.....
Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 03:09 AM (BeSEI)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 20, 2012 03:09 AM (uhAkr)
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:09 AM (YdQQY)
Again Bush got 62 million votes in 2004.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 20, 2012 03:10 AM (+VMZ0)
Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 03:11 AM (I87cK)
The problem is the order of the primaries. We allow the damn Blue States to nominate our candidate so we wind up with a damn moderate every damn time.
We have 1 Red State voting out of the first 10 or 15 States who hold primaries.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:11 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: sven10077 at November 20, 2012 03:11 AM (LRFds)
2008, Obama won independents. 2012, Romney did.
Obama lost 6 million votes, Romney got lots of those 6 million. Heck, for all you know, maybe all of them.
It's not about matching McCain. I suspect you know that, which is why I'm trying to figure out your angle. Right now the only thing I know is you are wrong, what I'm not sure of is whether you're intentionally being dishonest.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 03:12 AM (BeSEI)
ugh. Jeb Bush or FatMan. No. I did my duty as a "good" republican in 2008 for McCain and again in 2012 for Romney. No more.
Fool me once, shame on you....Fool me twice, shame on me.
Posted by: jj at November 20, 2012 03:12 AM (gWO5X)
Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 07:11 AM (I87cK)
If you look at that exemption they can only take it if they set up a similar program of their own.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:12 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 03:12 AM (XkWWK)
You wanted Choom for me Wal-nuts I want "fair" for you.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 20, 2012 07:11 AM (LRFds)
What petition?
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:13 AM (YdQQY)
Jeeze Louise, I'm depressed now.. fat man and bush, seriously?
Maybe we should find a conservative to run as a democrat and just lie about it, maybe we could win that way..
Posted by: spypeach at November 20, 2012 03:13 AM (pwTow)
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Posted by: sven10077 at November 20, 2012 07:14 AM (LRFds)
Get a frequency generator. My father had one of those for calibrating transmitter/receiver. We hooked it up to a 75W ham transmitter and scrambled everybody's TV and radio reception one evening when my brother and I felt mean.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:17 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 07:16 AM (XkWWK
vote present like barky did, then when your made king you can do what ever the hell you want 
Posted by: spypeach at November 20, 2012 03:18 AM (pwTow)
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:18 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Opus An Arcus at November 20, 2012 03:19 AM (KeZR9)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 03:19 AM (XkWWK)
They both stank on ice in their solo careers. The Beatles was one of the rare occurrences when two bad things combined to make a superb one.
that would be nutty, tinfoil-hat territory, right?
Yup.
Posted by: pep at November 20, 2012 03:19 AM (YXmuI)
Posted by: sven10077 at November 20, 2012 03:19 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Baldy at November 20, 2012 07:17 AM (opS9C)
From that John Fund article it looked like it was an outright steal by the Democrats there so I wonder why he conceded.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:19 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 03:20 AM (XkWWK)
Yep
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:21 AM (YdQQY)
or we can start moving to swing states (we meaning conservatives) for the next 2 to 3 years, become a residents and vote, once our guy is in, then we can move back.
I know crazy ideas, but all the rational ideas don't seem to work.
Posted by: spypeach at November 20, 2012 03:21 AM (pwTow)
Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 03:21 AM (I87cK)
Malor's angle appears to be; There are no more votes to be had, therefore we have to take votes from the other side, therefore we must ditch Socons.
Which, as he said of the other side, coincidentally happens to be what he wanted to begin with.
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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 03:22 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 20, 2012 03:23 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: pep at November 20, 2012 03:24 AM (YXmuI)
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Kind of hard to beat them when the party is not behind you, at least I did not see or hear them anywhere.
Posted by: Baldy at November 20, 2012 03:25 AM (opS9C)
The establishment wants a moderate so moderate candidates are what we get.
These were the first 13 2012 primaries.
1) Iowa - Obama
2) New Hampshire - Obama
3) South Carolina - Romney
4) Florida - Obama
5) Nevada - Obama
6) Colorado - Obama
7) Minesotta - Obama
Missouri - Romney9) Maine - Obama
10) Arizona - Romney
11) Michigan - Obama
12) Wyoming - Romney
13) Washington - Obama
That slate is going to give you a moderate candidate every time.
It also did not help that we had 50,000 debates and they were mostly moderated by liberals, even the FOX news debates were bullshit.
So if you want a conservative candidate you are going to have to change the
primary system.
Reliably conservative states go first.
No Open primaries.
A rational number of debates.
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 20, 2012 03:25 AM (RrD4h)
As for the debates, what we need is for the hosts and moderators to be Republicans, not Democrats.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:27 AM (YdQQY)
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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 03:29 AM (XkWWK)
Good morning, ‘rons and ‘ronettes. It seems Colonel West has surrendered like a gentleman and let the Demoscum steal his seat. Too bad, although I’m sure the Black Congressional Caucus is celebrating. Just to show you how ingrained bias is - when my local radio station (WBZ) reported the story, West was described as being “best known for his outrageous statements. He once called President Obama the dumbest man in Washington.” To which my response was, “and if he called Dubya the dumbest man in Washington, you wouldn’t have even mentioned that – or if you had, it would be dismissed as “blunt honesty” instead of as being “outrageous.”
ItÂ’s not enough to destroy newspapers and TV. Radio is still enemy territory, despite our foothold there.
Anyway, IÂ’m going to ramble on a bit now, so grab yourself a fresh cup of joe and settle back:
Since I seem to spend a good deal of my life in an alcoholic haze, today’s story concerns drinking. More specifically, it concerns the drinking of cowboy star Gene Autry, who was no slouch when it came to matters of the bottle - although, when told Autry was considered a heavy drinker, John Wayne once stormed “When Ward Bond and I were over at Republic (a Poverty Row studio famous for Westerns) with Autry, he couldn’t carry our ice!” But the drinking habits of the Duke are for another day.
Before he made truly serious money, Autry traveled with his own rodeo in between pictures. He always liked to make a spectacular entrance, so, gleaming in his famous white suit, he would ride his famous horse, Champion, through a huge 50-foot paper hoop. But one time, at Madison Square Garden. . .
Autry had started cocktail hour a little early. 9.00am. Not that it would generally matter, since the show didnÂ’t open until 8.30pm. However, as happens, a new Champion was making his debut with the show, and this stallion was young and balky, completely unused to the demands of a rodeo or show business. This worried one of the wranglers in AutryÂ’s show, who knocked on the starÂ’s dressing room door and suggested a few rehearsals might be useful.
From behind a wall of bottles, Autry slurred, “I was born on a horse. I can ride any sonofabitch horse that ever stood on four feet. And I can ride this goddamn horse through fire, hell or high water.”
The wrangler couldnÂ’t argue with this logic, so he left Autry to his drinking.
Came show time. Autry hopped on to the new Champion. The band struck up his theme song, “Back in the Saddle Again.” Autry took off his white Stetson, whacked it across the horse’s ass and the two of them took off like Dale Earnhardt. Once, twice, three times around the ring, the crowd whooping and hollering, Autry smiling his million-dollar grin and then it was time to smash through the paper hoop.
Autry yanked the reins, set the horseÂ’s head for the hoop and they galloped like wildfire. When they reached the hoop, Champion stopped on a dime.
Autry didnÂ’t. He went sailing off the saddle, through the hoop and flat on to his face in the arena.
For a moment, there was a deathly silence. Then Autry simply got up, brushed himself off and took a deep bow, as if he always made his entrance that way.
He did rehearse the next night, though.
Here’s another Autry story – during his time in Hollywood, he collected quite a few DUIs (502s, they were called in those days). The star simply shrugged. So he drank. So what? At least he was honest. “Nobody ever saw me drinking martinis out of a teacup like Roy Rogers.” It was suggested that anybody with as much money as he had ought to get a chauffeur and drink in safety. “Good idea,” said Autry, and proceeded to hire one.
One week later, Autry was slapped with another 502. It seems the cops had seen him driving astraddle an open construction ditch, the workers ducking into the ditch to save their lives. Where was the chauffeur?
Passed out drunk on the seat next to driver Autry.
And thatÂ’s it. Hope you all have a wonderful day.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 20, 2012 03:29 AM (zF6Iw)
OBAMA SENDING SECRETARY OF STATE CLINTON TO JERUSALEM, RAMALLAH AND CAIRO AMID GAZA CRISIS
http://is.gd/CQp5bR Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:47 AM
Saw that and now for the most pressing question of our time: What is up with Hillary's hair? What old bag grows their hair long?
Posted by: Long Island at November 20, 2012 03:31 AM (hl8SI)
Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 03:31 AM (ms+kz)
Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 03:31 AM (UZJrF)
Voting trends of Presidential voting of GOP early caucus states
that essentially choose the GOP candidate or give him momentum
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1 - Iowa - D, D, D, D, R, D, D
2 - New Hampshire - R, D, D, R, D, D, D
3 - South Carolina - R, R, R, R, R, R, R
4 - Florida - R, R, D, R, R, R, D, D
5 - Nevada - R, D, D, R, R,D, D
6 - Colorado - R, R, D,R,R, R, D, D
7 - Minesotta - D, D, D, D, D, D, D
8 - Missouri - R, R, D, D, R, R, R, D, D
9 - Maine - R, R, D, D, D, D, D, D
10 - Arizona - R, R, D, D, R, R, R, R
11 - Michigan - R, R, D, D, D, D, D
12 - Wyoming - R, R, R, R, R, R, R
13 - Washington - R, D, D, D, D, D, D
If you think this system will produce anything except a
milk toast moderate to liberal candidate I got some swamp land to sell you.
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 20, 2012 03:34 AM (RrD4h)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 20, 2012 03:34 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 03:34 AM (XkWWK)
There's no one in the GOP currently I would vote for in a primary. and no more Bush's!
And speaking of primaries... and debates.. they need to shorten that cycle a whole helluva lot. That was agonizing!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2012 03:35 AM (UTq/I)
I don't know about that. Joe Biden is a mighty opponent. We should just give up now.
Posted by: pep at November 20, 2012 03:35 AM (YXmuI)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 03:38 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 03:39 AM (D9999)
Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 03:40 AM (ATP6u)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 03:42 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Long Island at November 20, 2012 07:31 AM (hl8SI)
Gerry Spence?
bbl, all - early morning paperwork to do.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 20, 2012 03:42 AM (zF6Iw)
So fucking what. Against one of if not the worst president in history, this splendid GOP/Romney campaign managed to turn out about the same number of voters as one of the worst presidential campaigns in history got to come out 4 years before. And we're supposed to be thrilled with that, Gabe? You keep fucking that "turnout was fine" chicken. If all we're going to get at this web site from the regular bloggers is inside-the-Beltway bullshit and self-delusion, why, exactly, should be bother reading this site?
Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 20, 2012 03:42 AM (8ohP1)
Hahaha, what a tool. I've got 27 pounds of cruelty defrosting in my refrigerator. Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 07:05 AM
Every year we pick up a turkey from a local poultry farm. Fresh killed never frozen is a beautiful thing. I fellow the farm on Facebook. They update their turkeys' development throughout the summer. I am always amazed at the asinine comments. I know I shouldn't be but I am. People are ok when they are totally unaware that what they are eating was once alive. However once they find out a turkey is actually hatched, raised, killed and processed they freak out. Most of the folks aren't even vegetarians. They just like the concept. People today just want to avoid reality on all levels.
Posted by: Long Island at November 20, 2012 03:44 AM (hl8SI)
Basically Joe Biden has been a fucking blow hard and a thorn in the side of conservatives since forever.
But since no one on the GOP side has the balls or common sense to call the stupid prick out on his lies and tall fucking tales he seen more as fighter for the little guy.
I hate that guy, but I can totally see him winning the Presidency in 2016.
*** Shudder ***
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 20, 2012 03:44 AM (RrD4h)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 20, 2012 03:44 AM (feFL6)
I've seen that but I have no idea how to process that, I'm still trying to wrap my head around it!!!!
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 20, 2012 03:48 AM (RrD4h)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 20, 2012 03:48 AM (JDIKC)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 20, 2012 03:49 AM (9dIqT)
Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 03:50 AM (BeSEI)
Posted by: W.C. Varones at November 20, 2012 03:51 AM (QMAPJ)
I'm not sure what your data is supposed to mean. You have Ds in the last two columns for Missouri, is that supposed to be these last two elections? If so, check again. Missouri didn't go for the Scoamf.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 03:51 AM (BeSEI)
So choomboy's turnout was actually the cause of the loss, not Romney.
Low turnout is a myth.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:52 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 20, 2012 03:54 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 03:55 AM (D9999)
Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 03:55 AM (I2LwF)
Transposed a row
Updated
1 - Iowa - D, D, D, D, R, D, D
2 - New Hampshire - R, D, D, R, D, D, D
3 - South Carolina - R, R, R, R, R, R, R
4 - Florida - R, R, D, R, R, R, D, D
5 - Nevada - R, D, D, R, R,D, D
6 - Colorado - R, R, D,R,R, R, D, D
7 - Minesotta - D, D, D, D, D, D, D
8 - Missouri - R, R, D, D, R, R, R
9 - Maine - R, R, D, D, D, D, D, D
10 - Arizona - R, R, D, D, R, R, R, R
11 - Michigan - R, R, D, D, D, D, D
12 - Wyoming - R, R, R, R, R, R, R
13 - Washington - R, D, D, D, D, D, D
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 20, 2012 03:55 AM (RrD4h)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 03:56 AM (AynOt)
Don't keep us in suspense; did he blow up the bridge?
Posted by: fluffy at November 20, 2012 03:57 AM (z9HTb)
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:57 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 20, 2012 03:57 AM (JDIKC)
and this stolen election has been entirely embargoed here above the fold. Andy even rolled out to tell us how stupid we are and to sit down and shut up.
Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 07:55 AM (I2LwF)
I hear ya, we must not speak of it, shhhh
Posted by: spypeach at November 20, 2012 03:57 AM (pwTow)
Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 20, 2012 03:57 AM (nw0Vt)
Hit her now boys because it will not last.
Posted by: Long Island at November 20, 2012 03:57 AM (hl8SI)
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 04:01 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 04:01 AM (8y9MW)
Clinton to Egypt: "Make those meanies stop it!"
Clinton to Hamas: "It's okay, sweetums, we won't let those bad meanies hurt you."
Tell me I'm wrong.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 04:01 AM (8y9MW)
I agree. And what I want the GOP to do is nominate a gay hispanic woman, so we can stop being called mean names by the press.
With that stragety, we can't lose!
Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 04:04 AM (BeSEI)
If "your property" is a shooting club where you're shooting at airborne targets? How do the enviro-weenies prove you didn't just miss?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 04:05 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 04:07 AM (AynOt)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 20, 2012 04:09 AM (fCMdQ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2012 04:09 AM (79ueO)
#40 etc - yeah nice that Romney has matched McCain but with R winning independents and assuming some of the 6MM that left O went to R (instead of just not voting) R's vote total should have been a least a few million higher than McCain's and therefore higher than O's.
Still missing a couple million votes. Still need to know why - negative adverstising worked, religion, Paulians, bad campaign ground game, bad Republican brand, fraud, etc
Posted by: NoBama12 at November 20, 2012 04:09 AM (ykY2u)
Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 20, 2012 04:10 AM (nw0Vt)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 04:10 AM (AynOt)
Posted by: Whoever this is, it's definitely not Michael at November 20, 2012 04:10 AM (JVCVF)
Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 04:12 AM (I2LwF)
Shhhh! He's rolling.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 04:12 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 04:13 AM (AynOt)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2012 04:14 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 04:14 AM (yAor6)
WTF? There was never a Nixon/Ford ticket. Ford replaced Agnew after the 1972 election when Agnew resigned. Ford then became President when Nixon resigned.
Posted by: epobirs at November 20, 2012 04:14 AM (kcfmt)
...IF? It is. Regardless of the puppet on the ticket, the GOP has no room for constitutional governance.*
23.X
33.Ø
41.X
So far as 3rd parties go, better organize sooner and plan for the lifetime long-haul. The point, Constitutional Renaissance.
Nationally? Won't happen until local states each organize. Hence the GOP Convention 2012 wildfire to extinguish grassroots conservatism to maintain it's illusion for the masses including 33. who just want to belong, no matter the ideology. No getting out of the "stuck on stupid" rut without SELF reflection. Get over the bipartisan major parties, and don't expect "victory" over the masses. Just plug for memory. http://tinyurl.com/y679fu
First thing, platform. Just the facts. Meat, potatoes and greens. And to hell with "charisma". Special effects can stay on the silver screen. The idiotic self-serving intelligentsia and the foolish slaves buy into the revisionist propaganda, inflating its value "too big to fail." pfft
*If the GOP were devoted to constitutional governance, then explain DHS, the Patriot Act inception and perpetuation despite the facts, and TARP. The GOP is the party of Boehner and Cornyn. If it weren't, they wouldn't have their positions of authority. Re: DHS, Where's all the shared intelligence prior to, during and after Benghazi massacre? Re: Patriot Act vs. Bill of Rights, when the highest authorities in the federal government have THEIR rights abused (i.e., CIA Director Petraeus correspondence and calls illegally monitored and recorded), look again at your own position.
Remember Band of Brothers' most poignant line.
Posted by: at November 20, 2012 04:15 AM (BAnPT)
So what should we talk about, then?
http://binged.it/QVydPQ
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 04:15 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 04:16 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 04:16 AM (AynOt)
Posted by: AllenG
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Yeah ! That works for me....
Posted by: AmericanDawg at November 20, 2012 04:17 AM (c8hZ5)
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:47 AM (YdQQY)</i>
As I like to remind 'rule of law' enthusiasts, "Befehl ist befehl" translates rather well as "the law is the law."
They don't seem to appreciate it.
Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at November 20, 2012 04:17 AM (2VCZA)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 04:18 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2012 04:18 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 04:19 AM (AynOt)
By the way, the GOP stabbed West in the face. His election was stolen and the presidency was stolen. It speaks to the utter lack of honor, cultivated from inside the beltway, of both parties. This is the WWE, and the GOP are playing the heel on purpose.
And I guaran-fucking-tee you that West, in his decision to concede, probably thought, "It wouldn't be fair to my constituents to leave them without a represenative for who knows how long while this is dragged out."
He fell on his sword for the good of the country. A country that doesn't deserve him and a party that absolutely does not deserve him. Do you think any Democrat slime would say, "I'll bow out for the good of the country?" One of the reasons I'm in the LIB camp is the hope that, when it all comes crashing down, Democrats will be turned out of office and marched towards the nooses on the lampposts.
It's also why the GOP needs to be put down and a real, conservative party who pounds it into its members' heads every damn day that Democrats are your enemy as much as - and perhaps even more so - than Al Qaeda! They are not to be compromised with, argued with or accommodated. They are to be crushed.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 20, 2012 04:19 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: laughing at neck braces at November 20, 2012 04:19 AM (nVqtU)
Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 04:19 AM (I2LwF)
Fair. How would you like to be the painter in those first couple of shots, though?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 04:20 AM (8y9MW)
The problem was the massive turnout of black and white free shit voters in the swing States. In 2016 the blacks will not have that big of a turnout. The other free shit voters will though.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 04:22 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 04:22 AM (1V6Pv)
Good job! -Posted by: Truman North
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I Pre -Moroned her...
Posted by: AmericanDawg at November 20, 2012 04:23 AM (c8hZ5)
Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 04:24 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 20, 2012 08:09 AM (fCMdQ)
This makes me sick and is probably the final bit of evidence of what a useless pile of shit the GOP is. Who the fuck got protected through redistricting? The next Cheeto Crist? A national asset has been squandered for what must be parochial concerns. West was right in the donks' crosshairs and the Repukes just folded like cheap cards. Is that worthless fuck governor who sold out George Zimmerman the biggest tea party turncoat since Scotty Centerfold?
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 04:24 AM (8e62C)
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Always bugged the hell out of me. Both of Nixon's election campaigns were so divisive. His administration proved so utterly corrupt. By God, just look at what Kissinger did to America. Whatever corruption Agnew personified, and Watergate; hell, no better means to cover the root ruin than stupidity on display.
Posted by: at November 20, 2012 04:24 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 04:25 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 04:26 AM (1V6Pv)
Well, no. And I'm almost 100% certain that guy was gay (because you don't subject yourself to that torture otherwise). But it's a nice fapable fantasy.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 04:26 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 04:26 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 04:26 AM (AynOt)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 04:26 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 04:27 AM (8y9MW)
If Blacks get to vote, it won't matter what the Dems do. They will lose for the next 100 years.
Posted by: Dems In The 1870s at November 20, 2012 04:28 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2012 04:29 AM (Rhie+)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 08:20 AM (8y9MW)
Most body paint artists - especially for (*ahem*) close up work like that - are actually women. That would be something to blog about.
If you had a blog.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 20, 2012 04:29 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Hopeless at November 20, 2012 04:30 AM (r4GuR)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 04:30 AM (AynOt)
more like 1930s, LBJ just closed the deal after 30+ years of the black vote drifting left
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 04:31 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 04:32 AM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2012 04:33 AM (Rhie+)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 04:33 AM (AynOt)
again you can't compare voters as a whole. you have to see them as individuals and sub-groups. In 2010 a lot of Reps came out who didnt have to bitch about the head of the ticket, and likewise many low info Dem voters didnt come out because they had no messiah as the top of the ticket. I foresee a similar situation in 2014, many who didnt come out in 08 and 12 will show up and some who showed up in 08 and 12 won't come out. Different Presidents bring different coalitions. problem for Dems is Obama is his own coalition. He was useless to them in 2010 w/o him being on the ticket and the same will happen in 2014.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 04:35 AM (yAor6)
"Well, Romney's numbers are now larger than McCain's -- by about 10,000 votes. "
Mccain vote: 59,948,323
US Population growth rate: 1%
Time since 2008: 4 years
Expected vote change due just to population growth: 59,948,323 * 1% * 4 = 2,397,933*
*Sorry, I don't compound this early
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 20, 2012 04:35 AM (kdS6q)
The free market always expose the Idiots......
Posted by: AmericanDawg at November 20, 2012 04:36 AM (c8hZ5)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 20, 2012 04:36 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 04:36 AM (AynOt)
Th last 4 elections turnout has grown by a minimum of 7%. During hotly contested elections such as Bush/Kerry it grew 19%! This year during what many would argue was even more hotly contested that Bush/Kerry turnout dropped a staggering 10!.
Republican EV surged a dramatic 15% and Romney went from a -8 with Independents to a +5. And STILL, he barely matched McCain? Since Obama lost 8 million voters this means that 1) roughly 16 million whites simply did not vote and 2) Basically no one who voted for Obama in 2008 voted for Romney this year and 3) Republican turnout on election day was practically non-existent despite reports from the field of mobbed polling sites.
Merely matching McCain's vote total given the increase in Independent votes for Romney means an astounding collapse of Republican support.
This is clear evidence of massive tabulation fraud. We have just experienced the single greatest dropoff in the electorate in modern history in a year where history tells us it should have grown close to 19%.
Wake up people. NOBODY gave a damn about McCain. he had no GOTV and zero enthusiasm yet he turned out far more Republicans than Romney?
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at November 20, 2012 04:36 AM (hlUJY)
Yea, thats sure going to attract a lot of independent voters. More ugly, more civil war, more cowbell. Djenghis Khan 2016!
Posted by: Fnord at November 20, 2012 04:36 AM (hoJnS)
In 2016 the blacks will not have that big of a turnout.
Why? You think the Dems can't find another halfblack-red-diaper baby to run?
Posted by: Cicero Kid at November 20, 2012 04:37 AM (2XIMV)
shush, we must ignore the turnout issue. it's the big Elephant in the room we're too scared to talk about.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 04:37 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: Justamom at November 20, 2012 04:38 AM (Sptt8)
Posted by: kawfytawk at November 20, 2012 04:38 AM (JWLqy)
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at November 20, 2012 04:38 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 04:39 AM (6H6FZ)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 04:42 AM (AynOt)
just looks at the blogs during the election. You had various folks saying they would sit out because they weren't happy with Mitt as the nominee. Now this was a clear minority of people, but in an election as close as this one (just flip 400K votes in FL+OH+VA+CO and Mitt passes 270) it adds up. also Rasmussen was the only pollster i'm aware of that was aggressively polling the "undecideds". He found that they were Republicans or Republican-leaning Independents that were pissed with O but unhappy with Mitt as the alternative. The saying was that Mitt needed to get these folks to come out because they'd hold their noses and vote for him. Instead they sat out.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 04:42 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 04:43 AM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 20, 2012 04:43 AM (DoZD+)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 04:46 AM (AynOt)
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Wal-Mart received an Obma'amacare waiver. I don't see why they can't just buy a protest waiver. (Mexification of America in more ways than one.)
Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2012 04:47 AM (eEfYn)
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:29 AM (YdQQY)***
Or Rubio. Butthurt doesn't impress me.
Posted by: Klawnet at November 20, 2012 04:48 AM (ePxxX)
Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 04:49 AM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: Hopeless at November 20, 2012 04:50 AM (7nwJ6)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 04:50 AM (yAor6)
He did not court the base. He did not acknowledge the existence of the Tea Party. He snubbed Palin and alienated her voters. Those people matched their enthusiasm for Mitt to his regard for them. How many votes did that cost him? Just enough.
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 04:50 AM (6H6FZ)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 20, 2012 04:51 AM (CnrK5)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 07:12 AM (XkWWK)
FIFY
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2012 04:51 AM (GsoHv)
I think that he thought (and I know that I thought) the base was kind of pre-courted. Seriously, I cannot understand the kind of Republican who could look at Obama, then look at Mitt, and say, "Ah, fuck it. I'm staying home and eating Cheetos."
Does. Not. Compute.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 04:53 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 04:53 AM (2KBjW)
not a lot of folks agree with that. I happen to despise O and definitely put him in the Mt Rushmore of bad Presidents. But overall he has positive favorables even gaining some among those who voted against him twice. The overall electorate likes him personally and wants him to succeed. They think his 1st term was a disappointment but still hold on to hope that somehow things will get better in his 2nd term. His current job approval rating has shot up to 51% avg, the highest since the Bin Laden killing. Typical post-transition bump. I frankly think we will see a major economic collapse that could make 08 look like a walk in the park. When that hits the patience some have shown can vanish. 2nd terms tend to be when the public loses their cool with Presidents.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 04:53 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 20, 2012 04:53 AM (DoZD+)
Posted by: real joe at November 20, 2012 04:53 AM (6SJ8i)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 20, 2012 04:54 AM (DoZD+)
Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 04:54 AM (1V6Pv)
OOPS! I meant a Rep or two*
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 04:54 AM (yAor6)
http://is.gd/KSq8dW
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:50 AM (YdQQY)
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This didn't just happen in Florida. It also happened in the other swing states. 300,000 votes are easy to steal.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 20, 2012 04:54 AM (FZnrK)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 04:55 AM (AynOt)
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 08:50 AM (6H6FZ)
I thought Paul Ryan was the bone he tossed us.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 04:55 AM (8e62C)
Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 04:56 AM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 20, 2012 04:56 AM (DoZD+)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2012 08:29 AM (Rhie+)
I might use my tongue, and the taste of the paint be damned!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2012 04:56 AM (GsoHv)
there are always enough stupid, ignorant, dishonest voters to
carry any election; they know that demagogues, liars, hillbilly
bands, popular actors and orators, free picnics and votebuying
can always corral enough voters. They know that these
extensions of the franchise have broken down the moral standards
of American politics, and have so overcome the moral
character of American politicians that both parties use these
methods of getting votes. And that therefore an election is
merely a sporting event, like a ball game, its outcome depending
on luck as well as on skill, and its object being no more
than to get ballots into boxes, and men into office.
Unquestionably, these extensions of the franchise are dangerous
to individual liberty and human rights.
They are dangerous because, by amending the Constitutions,
they destroy representative government and increase the danger
of democracy—which always creates an irresponsible tyrant.
And they are dangerous because they are made in the
superstitious belief that individuals can control a Government
that can control individuals, and therefore they tend to increase
the false, counter-revolutionary belief that Government
is an Authority controlling men and responsible for their
welfare.
More and more, the multitudes who vote are believing this,
and demanding that Government be responsible for their living
conditions.
The fact is that nothing but human energy working productively
can produce any of the necessities of human life, any
human living conditions.
Men in Government can not be responsible for activities
which they do not control, and never can control. Police can
no more control any man's working than they can control
his drinking or his breathing. The whole of history proves
this, if common sense does not. Government regulation, government
"control," slows down production, hinders it, prevents
it, reduces it, and can not possibly control it."
Rose Wilder Lane
Discovering Freedom
Posted by: MarkC at November 20, 2012 04:56 AM (Kf68R)
Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 04:56 AM (D9999)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 04:57 AM (AynOt)
Posted by: Annabanana at November 20, 2012 04:57 AM (EjpKz)
Ohio Election Results
Mccain 2008: 2,677,820
Romney 2012: 2,593,779
Change: -84,041
But maybe some votes are still coming in from California...
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 20, 2012 04:57 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 04:57 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: RWC at November 20, 2012 04:57 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: helen thomas at November 20, 2012 04:57 AM (uFY4s)
I'm in FL, i'm protestant and don't affiliate myself with any particular church, and I am a rookie with guns for the moment
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 04:58 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 20, 2012 04:58 AM (DoZD+)
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 04:58 AM (2KBjW)
Posted by: Hopeless at November 20, 2012 04:58 AM (7nwJ6)
Walton donated $1M to Obama. He wants his money's worth, but he's unlikely to get it.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 04:58 AM (7zojM)
If people acted in a rational way, GOTV would not be necessary. I held my nose and voted. If I wasn't feeling so good or my transportation had a problem, I would not have busted my ass to get to the polling place. Multiply that by a few hundred thousand.
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 04:59 AM (6H6FZ)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 04:59 AM (AynOt)
Posted by: Stop Suppressing The SoCons! at November 20, 2012 05:00 AM (k1oMF)
Mccain 2008: 2,677,820
Romney 2012: 2,593,779
Change: -84,041
But maybe some votes are still coming in from California...
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 20, 2012 08:57 AM (kdS6q)
I sent an email through the website of the Ohio Secretary of State on whether there will be an investigation of voting irregularities of areas that went 100% for the JEF. Haven't received a response (I'm sure he has better things to do than respond to every one and an autoresponse wouldn't count) but I know I'm not the only one that's on that.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 05:01 AM (8e62C)
So I guess that Wal Mart heir's money that they sent to Obama didn't buy them any peace.
Fuck them.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 20, 2012 05:01 AM (wR+pz)
During a time in the nation's history when absolutely NOTHING ELSE mattered...but economics.
The nation is suicidal. Burn it all down.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 05:02 AM (7zojM)
Posted by: Fritz at November 20, 2012 05:02 AM (/ZZCn)
Yum. smoked trout sounds so good and very traditional.
Posted by: Long Island at November 20, 2012 05:04 AM (hl8SI)
Posted by: Hopeless at November 20, 2012 05:04 AM (7nwJ6)
http://is.gd/bPC5Sr Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:49 AM
The good news there is that Rove will start shitting on Christie for "going against The Family"
Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 05:04 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Baldy at November 20, 2012 07:17 AM (opS9C)
That is bad news. Congress and the country needs someone like him
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 20, 2012 05:05 AM (1Jaio)
You are hopelessly incorrect on all levels.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2012 05:06 AM (GsoHv)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 05:07 AM (AynOt)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 20, 2012 05:08 AM (hNXHo)
Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 08:26 AM (1V6Pv)
Now? They have been since day 1
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 20, 2012 05:08 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 05:09 AM (AynOt)
Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2012 05:09 AM (eEfYn)
Mostly because Christie isn't going to change parties.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2012 05:09 AM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Hopeless at November 20, 2012 05:10 AM (q7YYY)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 05:10 AM (AynOt)
Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 20, 2012 05:12 AM (ho/MP)
It'll be a woman, either Hillary or Fauxcahontas.
Why not run a fake Indian? They won twice with a fake American
Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 05:12 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Hopeless at November 20, 2012 05:13 AM (q7YYY)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 20, 2012 05:13 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 05:13 AM (2KBjW)
Even granting that you are correct (I don't think you are) here's what you're saying:
"Except for the single most important issue of this election, Mitt was identical to Obama."
Seriously? The one place that truly, truly mattered, and it wasn't enough for you? And how many times did he have to say "I'll repeal ObamaCare." Yes, he said "Replace." All Republicans (well, the visible ones, anyway) were saying "Repeal and Replace." Frankly, beyond the fact it apparently played well with focus groups, Repeal and Replace (depending on what they did for "replace") is actually a good idea- it leaves less room for Democrats to try again in the future.
What else were they "Identical" on?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 05:13 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 08:59 AM (AynOt)
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I'm paying for it hard, and I'm not a GOP operative. Those who voted for Mitt for the sake of their children are paying for the purported sins of the GOP, we are the collateral damage. (Including non-affiliated and dem voters who crossed over.) Preazy told his base to vote for revenge, some in our base sat it out for revenge. It's a selfish and unpatriotic motivation, whichever side of the coin you're looking at.
Posted by: kallisto at November 20, 2012 05:13 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 05:14 AM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 05:15 AM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: kallisto at November 20, 2012 09:13 AM (jm/9g)
Well said.
Posted by: lael at November 20, 2012 05:16 AM (bC/XM)
Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2012 09:09 AM (eEfYn)
Speaking only for myself, I never liked the fat fuck as much as a lot of my fellow morons. He was real good at pounding the shit out of some teacher union whiny vags but really wasn't a conservative at heart. That came, imo, from having been a US Attorney used to beating up on people that couldn't command the unlimited checkbook that the Feds have. As was the case with Guiliani, that works fine when you're in charge of some mobbed up Eastern shithole that needs a high colonic but I definitely don't want him beyond that. Plus he's a gun grabber, moooooslim enabler and climate fuckhead.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 05:16 AM (8e62C)
You are a lady, so I wouldn't expect you to say what should be said to anyone who didn't vote:
"Fuck you, you cocksucking piece-of-shit, anti-American, lazy asshole."
YMMV
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2012 05:17 AM (GsoHv)
That is what made West's district become more Democratic.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 05:17 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 20, 2012 05:17 AM (KDfzF)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 05:18 AM (AynOt)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 20, 2012 05:18 AM (DoZD+)
Posted by: RWC at November 20, 2012 05:18 AM (fWAjv)
Walton donated $1M to Obama. He wants his money's worth, but he's unlikely to get it.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 08:58 AM (7zojM)
I guess $1 million wasn't enough to get the Soros goons off his back
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 20, 2012 05:18 AM (1Jaio)
Mitt's advisors thought, "Where else are they gonna go?" They could have gotten the answer to that question for the price of a phone call the George H. W. Bush who thought he shit on the NRA and they would still turn out their three million votes for him.
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 05:19 AM (6H6FZ)
You deserve the fullness of what's going to happen then. Anyone looking for perfect in politics is on a fools errand.
Politics is the art of the possible. Romney was possible, and he would have been an upgrade over Ogabe.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 05:19 AM (7zojM)
Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 05:21 AM (1V6Pv)
that was passed by voters like my brother. I voted against that
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 05:22 AM (yAor6)
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CH, Great summation.
Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2012 05:23 AM (eEfYn)
"It's not about matching McCain. I suspect you know that, which is why I'm trying to figure out your angle. Right now the only thing I know is you are wrong, what I'm not sure of is whether you're intentionally being dishonest."
His angle is that he wants to blame the SoCons but can't really find a way to do it that supported by data or reality.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 20, 2012 05:23 AM (uD2fR)
Posted by: davod at November 20, 2012 05:23 AM (C5U9L)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 05:23 AM (yAor6)
That is what made West's district become more Democratic.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 09:17 AM (YdQQY)
Then they're dumber than a bag of dicks to throw in all their cards on a stupid fucking "logical geographical basis". Do you ever see the donks doing something that fucking dumb? Hell no. The clean toga crowd should just fold up their fucking tents and go away; preferably over a cliff.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 05:24 AM (8e62C)
Posted by: Hopeless at November 20, 2012 05:24 AM (DzWOc)
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 05:25 AM (6H6FZ)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 05:25 AM (yAor6)
1. McCain ran a terrible race. He should be the bottom level indicator.
2. I think its lost. With a dictatorial and gargantuan failure of a prez that we have and he gets re-elected? Not to mention, a senate loss in ND. The country has chosen its path.
Only the cleansing fire of SMOD or a financial collapse can re-right the ship.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2012 05:26 AM (3BbLJ)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 05:27 AM (AynOt)
Messina is still sending out emails begging for donations from Obama voters and asking people to respond to a poll asking which demographics they belong to. The list of demographics on that poll had about 20 entries. I got that email a couple of days ago.
Obama has NOT stopped campaigning, even after the win. I find that vaguely disturbing.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 05:27 AM (7zojM)
Posted by: Hopeless at November 20, 2012 05:31 AM (jKE+l)
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 05:31 AM (8e62C)
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 05:31 AM (AynOt)
Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 20, 2012 05:31 AM (KDfzF)
Posted by: Thunderb at November 20, 2012 05:33 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 09:19 AM (7zojM)
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DOJ
SCOTUS
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From Hopeless's above comment:
You know what their reply was? "enjoy not being President, asshole."
It wasn't just about Mitt. All this time I was under the impression that conservatives were the rational ones, not the kneejerk emotionalists. But Hopeless et al learned me good and hard that it's not so, yup!
Posted by: kallisto at November 20, 2012 05:34 AM (jm/9g)
They whole idea is they're not equipped physically or mentally to survive the fire.
You know how sequoia trees reproduce? It requires a massive forest fire that burns everything around except the Sequoia who's bark is thick and fire resistant. The Sequoia burns, but the fire never reaches its inner core and kills it. Nor does it reach high enough to kill the waiting seeds.
After the fire clears all the underbrush, the tree drops its seeds onto the fire cleansed forest floor and the baby sequoias have a chance to grow unimpeded before competition moves in again.
Sometimes it takes a conflagration to clear the way for new life.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 05:34 AM (7zojM)
Why would he care more about her than Amb Stevens.
Have a fun trip HILLARY!
Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 05:35 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 20, 2012 05:38 AM (hNXHo)
Mitt was my last choice, but I voted for him. Screamed to high heaven here the the repubs should not choose a NE liberal Republican, but to no avail, the party insiders wanted Mitt and it was gonna be Mitt. The primaries are a farce. Reagan won by sure force of will, I think, the party insiders didn't want him.
The repubs are trending liberal, moving left with the overton window.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2012 05:41 AM (3BbLJ)
Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 20, 2012 05:41 AM (KDfzF)
There's no difference between Obama and Romney! No point voting for Obama lite! I've got principles, so I'm not voting for the RINO!
Assholes.
This is beyond making perfect the enemy of the good, it's making perfect the enemy of at least a chance of saving the country from fucking disaster.
All you so-called "conservatives" who didn't vote out of spite deserve a second term of Obama as much as Obama voters do.
Unfortunately, the rest of us have to suffer along with you.
***
PS, picking Paul Ryan as VP was way more than just a "bone" thrown to Tea Party and fiscal conservatives. We forget that Democrats thought Paul Ryan, granny-killing Paul Ryan, "right-wing social engineering" Paul Ryan (per Newt) was politically toxic. Picking Paul Ryan was a clear signal of Romney's diagnosis of the country's ills, his intentions and his seriousness.
And if nothing else, if you're a conservative and you watched the first debate, the first time ever any mortal on the planet just fucking *crushed* Obama on the public stage, just drank his milkshake up and left him looking like a stuttering fool, and caused wailing and gnashing of teeth from the likes of Andrew Sullivan and Chris Matthews...
oh the unprecedented turning on Obama from his most stalwart MSM cheerleaders! oh the Schadenfreude!
It was a masterful performance. Arguably the best debate performance by a Republican candidate ever. Against THE ONE!
If you're a conservative and that didn't warm your heart to Romney enough to vote for him, I don't know what to tell you.
Fuck you.
Posted by: lael at November 20, 2012 05:42 AM (bC/XM)
"40 Gabe, are you trying to obscure facts on purpose?
2008, Obama won independents. 2012, Romney did.
Obama lost 6 million votes, Romney got lots of those 6 million. Heck, for all you know, maybe all of them. ..."
"87 ... I am by no means a fan of Romney, but he tried harder than Mccain did. I think Mccain is a much more compelling candidate (and I think Mccain sucked as a candidate), but I would hope the GOP would have a little more passion for getting to the polls after experiencing four years of scoamf. ..."
Also throw in that Romney won the Independents, not Obama this time, and what you have is votes shifting from Obama to Romney, with Romney being a much better candidate than McCain and Obama II being a much worse candidate than Obama I, but Romney gets fewer votes? While Obama drops from D+8 to only D+6 (with 6 million fewer votes)?
Obviously there were significantly fewer Republican votes, for no obvious reason. Something ain't right.
Posted by: Optimizer at November 20, 2012 05:42 AM (Mxt9o)
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 05:44 AM (2KBjW)
Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 05:45 AM (D9999)
Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 05:50 AM (D9999)
Posted by: Klawnet at November 20, 2012 05:50 AM (ePxxX)
Posted by: Zippo Bibrox 5x10 at November 20, 2012 05:53 AM (8emxS)
The obvious reason is they keep selling out their constituency. Watch what happens with the fiscal cliff debate.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2012 05:55 AM (3BbLJ)
Amen. Obama's people know they are policy failures. That's because they don't define "failure" the way we do. They define "failure" as being out of power. So, to them these last four years have been anything but a failure.
Obama's people correctly reasoned that they would lose a high-turnout election. Because normal people don't define "failure" as being out of power. they define it the way we do, you know, shit gets worse. Actual failure.
So, they structured a re-election campaign designed to maximize base turnout and depress overall voter turnout. None of us saw this as a viable strategy and nobody on our side from Romney on down did anything to either counter it (offer compelling principles-based motivation to drive higher casual voter turnout) or match it with our own base voters.
Romney assumed a normal, referendum on the incumbent, marginally-higher-than-last-time turnout election. It is obvious in hindsight that he ran his campaign on those assumptions.
You have to sell, sell, sell, sell. ABO. And you also have to depress the shit out of the other guy's voters.
Romney didn't close his own people and he didn't try to depress Obama's people, he tried to convert them.
In a narrow election those are obviously two losing tactics.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at November 20, 2012 05:57 AM (dcoFe)
Posted by: davod at November 20, 2012 05:59 AM (C5U9L)
Obama won with fraud. You don't forcibly eject poll watchers from a place unless their presence would inhibit the fraud.
If you want to tamp down fraud, you gotta be in every precinct, 100% of the time. You gotta be there whenever the ballots are transported. You gotta be there when the ballots are sitting waiting to be counted, and you gotta be there during the count, and you gotta be there when machines are being prep'd and zero'd out.
The Republicans need a ground game for staffing polling places and monitoring ballot handling as much as GOTV.
Much polling place operation and votes handling is done by 100% democrats.
And of course infiltrating the Democrat apparatus as I'm doing.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 06:00 AM (7zojM)
Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 20, 2012 06:01 AM (KDfzF)
As I recall, one of the Socialist's, tracks to full power is to destroy the economy and then rebulid it in their image.
That is correct Davod, except for one issue, the American public still retains their sense of individualism, although they may have thrown their hands up about current govts, I am confident it will be a cleansing fire.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2012 06:02 AM (3BbLJ)
NOTA should be a mandatory option in all races at all levels. It would quickly disabuse politicians from using the word "mandate".
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 06:07 AM (7zojM)
"Obama has NOT stopped campaigning, even after the win. I find that vaguely disturbing."
But are you surprised?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 20, 2012 06:10 AM (uD2fR)
http://tinyurl.com/c7yxk6v
Did they cheat? How to stop them next time?
Papa Ray
Posted by: Papa Ray at November 20, 2012 06:11 AM (Ek42u)
Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 20, 2012 06:12 AM (KDfzF)
I don't know whether he "conveyed" it, but I believe he had it.
I strongly disagree with the notion that Romney is just a good actor/ performer, akin to Obama.
Yes, he was very flawed candidate in many ways, and not as conservative as most conservatives would like. But as I've said before, I've actually never witnessed (because I was too young when Reagan ran) a campaign that so proudly and unashamedly articulated fiscal conservative principles. A passionate celebration of the free market system, and trenchant opposition to metastasizing big government. Yes, softened and nuanced enough to win a general election-- but surprisingly ideological all the same.
This was NOT a "compassionate conservative" campaign.
Romney was performing to win an election, but I have no doubt he had his eyes on the job at hand. This is a Bain guy. A guy who lives to dig into the numbers and corrupt/ bloated/ useless/ dysfunctional corporations (or big institutions) and remove the rot to save them. Perform the necessary surgery.
A numbers guy. A math guy. A budget guy. A bottom line guy. A business guy. Who picked Paul fucking Ryan as his VP. A Batman and Robin of fiscal MATH.
Not someone who loves politics for the performance aspect of it, or the trappings of celebrity and power (like Obama), but someone who relishes dealing with tough challenges, getting the job done.
Yes, he likely would have done (or tried to do) a lot of "bipartisan" stuff, yes would have likely disappointed conservatives in countless ways.
But I believe he was a serious (fiscal) man, suited for serious (fiscal) times.
But instead we get four more years of Obama. Hey, you think the country will actually get a budget done and passed sometime in the next few years? It's been almost 4 years and counting.
(And don't get me started on foreign policy.)
PS Agree with you we need better candidates than the 2012 roster.
Romney's competition in the primaries-- they just didn't cut it. I don't care how "conservative" they ostensibly are.
Too bad about Perry.
Posted by: lael at November 20, 2012 06:16 AM (bC/XM)
Posted by: davod at November 20, 2012 06:18 AM (C5U9L)
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at November 20, 2012 06:20 AM (Rwrs+)
Posted by: Jarod at November 20, 2012 06:22 AM (Jaytg)
Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 06:31 AM (D9999)
Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 06:34 AM (D9999)
Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 20, 2012 06:35 AM (KDfzF)
Jeeze Louise, I'm depressed now.. fat man and bush, seriously?
Maybe we should find a conservative to run as a democrat and just lie about it, maybe we could win that way..
LOL. I was kind of thinking that the other day.
Or... have a Republican run on essentially a Democrat platform then go rogue once elected.
Posted by: shibumi at November 20, 2012 06:56 AM (z63Tr)
The only candidate that decided to run that had a better chance than Romney to win was Tim Pawlenty, but he was hardly a super star.
5 little things did Romney in, and almost all of them were outside his control:
1) A nasty primary that went on way too long with absolute clowns that didn't have a prayer. Romney was broke and Obama got to define him early
2)Being a successful, wealthy banker in private equity hurt that looked out of touch with the middle class
3)Akin and Mourdock making the fringe position on abortion front and center (largest gender gap in several generation)
4)Mormon Mitt (I think it swayed voters more than we realize, and was the biggest reason why Mitt had such a long and nasty primary)
5) Auto bailouts (when 1 out of 8 jobs in Ohio is in the auto industry, you'd better support auto bailouts) It also shut him out of Michigan
Could we have done better than Romney? Of course, but I don't remember Superman deciding to run for the GOP primary.
Posted by: McAdams at November 20, 2012 07:00 AM (iBUXq)
But I sure hope those demanding a "true conservative" candidate for 2016 don't have in mind candidates like Michelle Bachmann or Rick Santorum.
I wonder if Perry could recover from his somewhat embarrassing 2012 debate performance. A good successful conservative governor would be great.
Posted by: lael at November 20, 2012 07:03 AM (bC/XM)
Exactly. Just because Romney "looks" and "sounds" moderate (and has a history as a moderate in MA), people gloss over the fact that in many ways it was actually a surprisingly ballsy campaign.
Ballsy in substance rather than tone/ appearance.
Posted by: lael at November 20, 2012 07:09 AM (bC/XM)
Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 07:15 AM (D9999)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 20, 2012 07:27 AM (3liWm)
I think all politicians are insincere at times, and I think Romney was being "fake" when it came to social issues, he clearly has no interest in fighting the Culture War despite the fact he and his family are clearly moral, upright people that actually lived their beliefs instead of trying to legislate them. Even the Axelrod slime machine could find a speck of dirt on him. But you can't get through a GOP primary being pro-choice, so he had to check that box off, pay lip service, and move on.
Ironically, had Romney been able to have run like he did in Massachusetts as sort of big picture conservative technocrat that was able to be agnostic on the social issues, he would have probably won.
Posted by: McAdams at November 20, 2012 07:28 AM (iBUXq)
Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 07:32 AM (D9999)
McCain/Palin was fighting the BUSH burnout that everyone had... even Republicans... and Obama had the "VISION" and the media and even Republicans starry-eyed.
Its amazing that McCain/Palin even got as many votes as they got - and I attribute that entirely to Palin.
This time round, you had an even worse economy because the numbers have had a chance to beat everyone down and there were 4 years of idiot Obama to run against... so losing to Obama this time was a disaster. Absolute incompetence.
The real question is how could you possibly fail to beat a total disaster called Obama? It shows what a crappy campaign the Republicans ran... stop making excuses. It was a crappy campaign if it could not beat a total failure of a President.
Posted by: PhilipJames at November 20, 2012 07:36 AM (hrysW)
I think the problem was, it all went south on Bush's watch and to enough people it looked like it was Obama still cleaning up Bush' mess. I think Obama took a tough situation and made things much worse since he used the crisis as an opportunity to try and make us like Europe, but not enough Americans agreed.
In hindsight, the best thing that could have happened to the GOP was if John Kerry had beat Bush in 2004.
As far as who to nominate in 2016, unless Rubio has some sort of fatal flaw, I can't think of a good reason to not nominate him.
I also believe what did the GOP in is we have a new set of demographics to contend with, if this election had been in say the late 80's, Romney would have probably won 40 states.
Posted by: McAdams at November 20, 2012 07:44 AM (iBUXq)
Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 20, 2012 08:00 AM (KDfzF)
OK, this is a little late, but I'm ready to run some numbers.
Gabe, you have cheated us, by not looking past the "top line", and by ignoring some obvious logic. Here goes:
In rough numbers, ignoring votes for other than the R and D, in 2008 there were 130M votes, with party ID of 32/39/29 R/D/I. So
2008: 41.6M R, 50.7M D, 37.7M I
Assume 90% party loyalty, so 41.6M*.9+50.7M*.1 = 42.51M partisan votes for McCain and 41.6M*.1+50.7M*.9 = 49.79M partisan votes for Obama. McCain got 59.9M, so 59.9M-42.51M=17.4M Independent votes. For Obama, 69.5M-49.79M=19.7M Independents. (I'm missing 0.6M Independents, due to my approximations). Summary:
McCain: 37.44M R + 5.07M D + 17.4M I
Obama: 4.16M R + 45.63M D + 19.7M I
(46.7% vs 53.1% for Independents, a difference of -6.4%)
In 2012, all I have offhand is that it was D+6, so call it a 32/38/30 party ID. About 123M votes, 59.6M for Romney, so about 63.4M for Obama. Using the same process, I get:
Romney: 35.424M R + 3.936M D + 20.24M I
Obama: 4.674M R + 42.066M D + 16.66M I
(54.85% vs 45.15% for Independents, a difference of +9.7%)
*** Comparing, we see Romney with about 2M fewer votes from Republicans than McCain got, and there's no obvious reason for that. The only possibilities are that the ground game sucked even worse, at least partly due to the ORCA fiasco, or that votes mysteriously disappeared in electronic voting machines (if that's possible). ***
There were about 17M Independents both times; the Democrat turnout understandably dropped a bit.
If anything, you would expect a higher Republican turnout for Romney than McCain, not lower. Somebody needs to explain why this didn't happen - it cost the election.
Posted by: Optimizer at November 20, 2012 08:11 AM (Mxt9o)
I just loved seeing the Dems blather on about the Repubs being a bunch of white guys and then a picture of Allan West conceding to their "white guy". We should be pushing that one all over the country.
Oh and one of the other piles of free stuff that the Dems pushed pre-election that we all forgot about (even me, and I got some of my "free money".) There was an $8000 giveaway for first time home buyers. That means a lot more than an Obamaphone, I can tell you. I'm not sure it did a lot for the housing market though.
Posted by: notsothoreau at November 20, 2012 08:12 AM (5HBd1)
Ew. That came out badly. Let me summarize again. Deriving with rough numbers:
2008:
McCain: 37.44M R + 5.07M D + 17.4M I
Obama: 4.16M R + 45.63M D + 19.7M I
(46.7% vs 53.1% for Independents, a difference of -6.4%)
2012:
Romney: 35.424M R + 3.936M D + 20.24M I
Obama: 4.674M R + 42.066M D + 16.66M I
(54.85% vs 45.15% for Independents, a difference of +9.7%)
Romney got 2M fewer Republican votes than McCain, while the same number of Independents showed, and fewer Democrats. We lost because the Republicans either didn't show up, or their votes weren't counted.
Posted by: Optimizer at November 20, 2012 08:15 AM (Mxt9o)
Oh, I forgot. According to polls, there are actually a few more Republicans than Democrats out there, so the McCain numbers were way low. The Republicans not only didn't show up again, but it was worse this time. The question is WHY?
Posted by: Optimizer at November 20, 2012 08:20 AM (Mxt9o)
Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 08:28 AM (D9999)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 20, 2012 08:36 AM (hNXHo)
The question is WHY?
Uh...the pollsters are being lied to and the country isn't as conservative as we think?
Honestly, I don't like Rubio that much. He's like the ocean to me: I love it as an abstract idea, but the reality is fucking terrifying. And the MFM will have four years to whittle him down.
I'd rather have West, rising up out of the fog to throatpunch all those stealing, lying, craven lib bastards.
Posted by: Gem at November 20, 2012 08:43 AM (zw+pb)
Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 20, 2012 08:48 AM (KDfzF)
The 47% is going to become the 48% and then the 49% and then the 50% and then the 51%, till you can elect Robert Mugabe legally.
And this is not with illegal immigration and amnesty; this is just with continuing mass immigration, legally.
If there is a solution, it has to begin with immigration restriction. Turn off the tap.
Hoping from more and more turnout from the increasingly outnumbered White base is not a solution.
Hoping that the left will get tired of winning, tired of using the race card to get moral victories and free stuff, tired of running the urban vote factories, is not a solution.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 20, 2012 02:05 PM (WOhYl)
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Some of them would not have showed up because they were dead.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 20, 2012 02:13 PM (WOhYl)
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Right.
Basically the options are:
1. Move left (on the direction of the opposite party), chasing the new demographics.
2. Move right (in the direction of the party base, which is more radical than the party elite), and change the demographics.
Both options are possible, and the Democratic Party has done both with success.
LBJ moved the Democratic Party from being the party considered less favorable to Black interests in the South to being the party more favorable to Black interests everywhere in America. You can leap right over the other party, and the Republican Party can do the same, handing out so much free stuff to Democratic constituencies (and so many preferences at the expense of Whites and married people) that the Democratic Party will have to chase to keep up.
The demographics in America were not always favorable to modern left politics. The left actively changed them. The political benefits of this are on show in California. The right could follow the same course in reverse.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 20, 2012 02:31 PM (WOhYl)
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