November 28, 2012
— Gabriel Malor Happy Wednesday.
Huh. Gennifer Flowers claims Bill Clinton called her for a get together in 2005.
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Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 03:00 AM (YdQQY)
The bill, introduced by retiring border-state Sens. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) and Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas), would allow undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children to stay in the country without an expedited pathway to citizenship.
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Devil's Bride
When the infamous Devil Cynster is caught with plucky governess Honoria Wetherby, he astonishes the entire town by proposing. But Honoria isn't about to bend to society's will and marry. She craves high adventure and plans to see the world, if her passion for Devil doesn't overpower her spirit first.
And that's it for today.
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Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:01 AM (YdQQY)
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So the government will support practicing Druids, but not practicing Christians.
Wonderful.
The First Amendment: How *does* it work?
Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 03:04 AM (RSqz2)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 03:04 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 03:05 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 03:09 AM (XkWWK)
You forgot the rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists.
Hillary is a Methodist...and a bull dyke.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 03:09 AM (sbV1u)
CNN
- Republican obsession with Benghazi makes no sensel
Editor's note: Peter Bergen is CNN's national security analyst
and the author of "Manhunt: The Ten-Year Search for bin
Laden -- From 9/11 to Abbottabad."
(CNN) -- Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice, a possible
nominee to be the next secretary of state, came to Capitol Hill Tuesday
to perform a private mea culpa to key Republican senators for her
erroneous initial public statements about the perpetrators of the attack
on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi in September in which four
Americans were killed.
It didn't work.
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 28, 2012 03:11 AM (RrD4h)
Posted by: beach at November 28, 2012 03:12 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Andy at November 28, 2012 03:12 AM (OZPoa)
I'm going to instead choose to believe he's just a kid who figured out a decent ploy to get a good look at the inside of the girl's bathroom. Given the state of our world these days, it was a good idea that had a shot of working.
Alas, no.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 28, 2012 03:14 AM (BeSEI)
Posted by: beach at November 28, 2012 03:14 AM (LpQbZ)
I wonder if I can get a Columbus Day tree?
Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 28, 2012 03:15 AM (d0Dmj)
Hello again, ‘rons and ‘ronettes. And thanks for the news, Gabe and Vic. Just a slight correction, Vic – it’s spelled “Cocoanut,” like the Marx Brothers movie. And as far as Gennifer Flowers – you ever see her Penthouse layout? She was something back in the day. And she did admit that the Syphilitic Hillbilly was a cunning linguist like no other.
“Must” sell Holday Trees? Bullshit. I’m selling a “Christmas Tree,” mofos. Come and arrest me. If those NC students are sharp, they’ll jam this PC crap right down their throats.
OK, today IÂ’m going to tell three quick stories. DonÂ’t worry, theyÂ’re all nice ones.
First, we have Paul Muni*, the brilliant Austrian-born actor whose roles included Scarface (much hotter than the remake, let me tell you), The Story of Louis Pasteur and The Good Earth. He was a stage veteran, having played his first role at the age of 12. Naturally, he was aware of the sexual dynamics involved during the run of a show or the shoot of a film, and developed what he called “The Five-Day Rule.” “During the first day of rehearsal,” he said, “everybody in a company falls in love with everyone else. Boys with girls, girls with boys, boys with boys and girls with girls. The oldest character actor in the company falls for the prettiest ingénue. If you’re lucky, it works the other way around and the young ones fall in love with the old ones. This happens to anybody who still has his eyesight and a few glands left. But take my advice: always wait five days. At the end of that time, if you still want it, then do something about it. But you usually don’t.”
*Tony Randall worked on stage with Muni in 1955 in Inherit the Wind, when Muni was suffering from an eye tumor. This was a subject of gossip to the theater crowd, and occasionally Randall would be stopped on the street by people who would ask, “How’s Paul?” Randall said that if they asked him in that manner, he knew they weren’t friends of the actor, since anyone who was his friend called him “Muni,” after his real name, Muni Weisenfreund.
Next, the 1950 20th Century-Fox movie The Mudlark featured Sir Alec Guinness as prime minister Benjamin Disraeli. In the movie, a young street urchin is caught inside Windsor Castle and is thought to be part of an assassination plot. Guinness, as Disraeli, pleads for the child’s life in Parliament, using his speech to indirectly criticize Queen Victoria (Irene Dunne) for hiding away in seclusion after the death of her consort, Prince Albert. The speech is a high point of the film, six-and-a-half minutes straight without a single cut. Halfway through the speech, Guinness stops; it’s a long, dramatic pause that producer Daryl Zanuck thought one of the most effective uses of silence in film history. It hadn’t been written into the script, however, so later on, Zanuck asked Guinness how he came to think of it. “I didn’t,” Sir Alec admitted. “In the middle of the speech, I completely dried up. Forgot my lines.”
And finally, a story that’s been told about Greer Garson, Marlene Dietrich and Norma Shearer, only the name of the cameraman changing: at MGM, Joe Ruttenberg was Garson’s favorite cameraman, because she was convinced that his artistry with shade and light showed her off to better advantage than anyone else in Hollywood. Several years after her real stardom had faded, Garson was back at Metro for a movie and, of course, asked for Ruttenburg. He was happy to please her, and got himself assigned to the project. But it turned out that Garson was not as happy with Ruttenburg’s work as she used to be. One afternoon, after seeing the wardrobe tests he’d shot of her, she shook her head. “Something’s wrong, Joe. You don’t seem to be shooting me the way you used to.”
“I don’t know what you mean, Greer,” he responded. “I’m still working the same way I always have."
Garson shrugged at this, but a few days later, she called Ruttenburg into a screening room, where she had a reel of [i[Mrs. Miniver[/i] run off. “There!” she cried, pointing out one particular luminous scene, “why can’t you make me look like that any more?”
The gallant Ruttenburg smiled. “I’m very sorry, Greer. But you must remember, I’m ten years older now.”
Hope you all have a wonderful day.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 03:16 AM (zF6Iw)
CBS
House GOP committee chairs named, all white men
The dearth of women and minorities in the House
Republican Caucus is reflected by who's atop the
committees.
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 28, 2012 03:16 AM (RrD4h)
I've yet to hear a convincing explanation for how possessing a vagina or an elevated melanin content enables one to make better decisions.
Perhaps CBS could put me some knowledge.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 03:18 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 03:18 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: beach at November 28, 2012 03:19 AM (LpQbZ)
The gallant Ruttenburg smiled. “I’m very sorry, Greer. But you must remember, I’m ten years older now.”
Slick.
Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 28, 2012 03:19 AM (d0Dmj)
Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 06:59 AM (YdQQY)
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That is what they're used for after they're implemented, but they are primarily implemented as a Public Relations move on the part of the government to give the impression that it is "DOING SOMETHING!!11!!" about some pressing problem. Whether or not it is the right or appropriate thing to do not withstanding.
DHS is the latest example.
Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 03:21 AM (RSqz2)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 03:24 AM (XkWWK)
I dunno. It sort of strikes me as a good idea to have unlocked emergency exits in the event of a fire. But I know that's just me. I'm really not a huge fan of 3d degree burns over 90% of my body.
Crazy, I know.
Oh, and my paternal grandmother barely got out of Cocoanut Grove with her life that night. "Cocoanut Grove" is all I ever heard as a kid. Talk to old-timers in Boston who were just kids then. That fire impacted the city in a big way.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 03:26 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Whatev at November 28, 2012 03:27 AM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: Miss Marple at November 28, 2012 03:29 AM (GoIUi)
"GQ. Because what metrosexuals think is important! Pick up a copy today!"
....
It is soooooo hard to take these people seriously. So I won't.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 03:29 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: JeffP at November 28, 2012 03:29 AM (floUD)
Posted by: beach at November 28, 2012 07:12 AM (LpQbZ)
Lobbyists are like lawyers, except they have even fewer standards. Write them a check and they'll defend anything!
Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 28, 2012 03:30 AM (Cnqmv)
What was going on in 2005 that made Clinton so needy that he tried to see Flowers?
Posted by: Miss Marple at November 28, 2012 03:31 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: and irresolute at November 28, 2012 03:34 AM (DBH1h)
Posted by: Icedog at November 28, 2012 03:34 AM (9ScGj)
What was going on in 2005 that made Clinton so needy that he tried to see Flowers?
Posted by: Miss Marple at November 28, 2012 07:31 AM (GoIUi)
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Hillary deciding to run in 2008?
Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 03:34 AM (RSqz2)
Crazy, I know.
You missed my point. There were already all kinds of fire codes in place before that fire. They were not enforced.
Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 03:34 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 03:35 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: and irresolute at November 28, 2012 07:34 AM (DBH1h)
But you can bet they'll be "fair"!
Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 28, 2012 03:36 AM (Cnqmv)
Not in Boston there were not.
That's MY point.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 03:36 AM (sbV1u)
34"Regulations exist to be used as punishment and to create jobs for people who deal in paper."
Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 06:59 AM (YdQQY) .............................
My sister called last night very depressed. Her husband owns or co-owns 11 restaurants. He and several other business owners met yesterday with a lawyer who has done nothing over the last 2 years but try to decipher the new health care bill. He claims there have been over 600 new regulations added to the original bill and they just keep coming. My BIL asked every question he could think of trying to get around this shit sandwich and the answer was no every time. Apparently the only way to come out of this halfway decent is to work for someone else and make under 50,000. My god fearing, patriotic sister is ready to cash it in and leave the country. She told me some other things too but since she was hearing it second hand from her husband I won't repeat until Ive done my research. Scary scary stuff is an understatement.
Posted by: Molly k. at November 28, 2012 03:37 AM (B3ZQc)
Posted by: Ruth in Iowa at November 28, 2012 03:37 AM (LhpYW)
I'm trying to figure out why having a vagina makes me unable to park a car.
Posted by: alexthechick at November 28, 2012 03:38 AM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Miss Marple at November 28, 2012 07:29 AM (GoIUi)
Now, that's interesting, MM, because I had thought it was fairly well established that a bartender had asked a busboy to replace a lightbulb. It was dark and the kid couldn't see what he was doing, so he lit a match. The flame caught one of the crepe "palm leaves" and then WHOOSH! From what I understand, the confusion came because the kid denied lighting the match and the bartender denied asking him to change the light. The Boston Globe (*spit*) had an article on this earlier in the month - once I get some work cleared away, let me see if I can find you the link. Try searching "Boston Globe Magazine Cocoanut Grove November 2012," though, and see what comes up.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 03:38 AM (zF6Iw)
Miss Marple, hit the Wikipedia page for it and there are a ton of old Boston Globe (and I share your disdain MPPPP) links to their archives there.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 03:41 AM (sbV1u)
Oh, that's easy. It's a depth perception issue.
Caves. Claustrophobia. Agoraphobia. I'm sure you see the connections. It's all very simple.
.....
You're not buying this, are you?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 03:43 AM (sbV1u)
They discussed the doors being locked and interviewed a guy who wound up on the roof along with several other people and had to be brought down by ladders. Of course, the man interviewed had to be in his late 70's or early 80's.
Posted by: Miss Marple at November 28, 2012 03:43 AM (GoIUi)
exits in the event of a fire. But I know that's just me. I'm really not
a huge fan of 3d degree burns over 90% of my body.
Crazy, I know.
You missed my point. There were already all kinds of fire codes in place before that fire. They were not enforced.
Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:34 AM (YdQQY)
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There are some places in the US, particularly in urban areas, (yeah, yeah, I denounce myself) where enforcing any kind of code, let alone fire codes, is nigh on impossible.
Case in point;
Back in my youth I was a fireman in a small city in New York state. There was a public housing project in the city where the residents would regularly break the panic bars off the bulkhead doors to the roof so that their "friends" could enter the building from the roof.
The management got sick of constantly replacing the panic bars and chained the doors shut.
Whenever we had a call at the building we would cut the chains off because it was a fire safety hazard.
As soon as we left the building management would chain the doors shut again.
Lather, Rinse, Repeat...
Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 03:44 AM (RSqz2)
Posted by: Molly k. at November 28, 2012 07:37 AM (B3ZQc)
This is the point comrade!
The good
Posted by: Barky Ochooma (Redistributor of YOUR Wealth) at November 28, 2012 03:44 AM (Cnqmv)
You know what drains the joy.
The fact that when I go to the store I can't find a 100 watt incandescent light bulb because the government has outlawed them.
I have the following options buy a mercury filled CF bulb for $6 or a $50 led bulb that is a 75 watt equivalent. They don't even offer 100 watt equivalent bulbs that I have seen.
The led bulbs start at 40 watts equivalent! Who the fuck puts a 40 watt bulb anywhere except their oven or fridge?
Not only do they want us to pay up the wazoo for light bulb replacements they want us to live in the dark.
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 28, 2012 03:44 AM (RrD4h)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 28, 2012 03:45 AM (JDIKC)
Well...there's your problem. They're wrong.
They are talking about the Boston College football team. They were Sugar Bowl bound and were planning on a victory party there, but had cancelled their party because they got a beat down earlier in the day (or week...I forget) by unranked Holy Cross. They were so down about it they cancelled the party.
Told ya...."Cocoanut Grove" was all I ever heard every single holiday when I was a kid.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 03:47 AM (sbV1u)
Capitalist! Damn you!
You'll all burn in Hell I say!
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Channeling Gangs of New York at November 28, 2012 03:48 AM (sbV1u)
Makes it harder to read the fine print in all those new regs they're so busy issuing.
Posted by: Retread at November 28, 2012 03:48 AM (zxitI)
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 28, 2012 07:44 AM (RrD4h)
Experience has shown that a populace kept in the dark is far easier to manipulate, comrade!
Posted by: Barky Ochooma (Redistributor of YOUR Wealth) at November 28, 2012 03:49 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 28, 2012 03:49 AM (JDIKC)
Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 03:50 AM (TYO2p)
However through mafia connections the owner was of the Cocoanut Grove was able to get away with many violations.
He was prosecuted and jailed for those violations. (19 counts of manslaughter)
Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 03:50 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 03:50 AM (XkWWK)
Taser or mace, my Queen?
Although we might still have some napalm left. I can check if you prefer.
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief, Logistics Directorate, Republic of Alextopia at November 28, 2012 03:51 AM (sbV1u)
Not going to have a thread long discussion of this. Boston fire codes were changed AFTER the fire not before.
Not absolutely everything government does sucks. Much...but not all.
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief, Logistics Directorate, Republic of Alextopia at November 28, 2012 03:53 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 03:54 AM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 03:54 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: rickl at November 28, 2012 03:54 AM (sdi6R)
That one I remember.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 03:54 AM (sbV1u)
That was a special case it was an illegal club, basically a two story storefront with only a single point of entrance and egress. Also it being located in the south Bronx all the windows were bared for safety reasons.
I lived on Crotona avenue and Southern Blvd around the corner from happy land at that time.
That fuck Julio Gonzalez will burn in hell forever for what he did.
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 28, 2012 03:55 AM (RrD4h)
Still, on the bright side, at least the people at the club didn't have to listen to a whole set of popular cowboy entertainer music, so they had that going for them.
Which is nice.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 28, 2012 03:55 AM (BeSEI)
Yes, they did what government always does. After failing to enforce the existing regulations they made some new ones.
And I will lay you dollars to donuts if you did an honest fire code inspection of Boston businesses you would find that the new ones are not being enforced either.
Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 03:56 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 03:56 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 07:50 AM (XkWWK)
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That is the case that I constantly cite in arguments with gun control idiots. It is still the largest mass murder in the history of the United States and it was committed with a gallon of gasoline and a match.
I'm waiting for match registration and gasoline purchase waiting period laws- for the children donch' know, but the government never seems to pass them.
Racist bastids...
Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 03:56 AM (RSqz2)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 03:57 AM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:34 AM (YdQQY)
This is a tough sell. I believe that the market will eventually create safer construction and operating standards than any government regulation could possibly create. But it would occur because of trial and error and financial pressure.
The question is: Which will cost the fewest lives?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 03:57 AM (GsoHv)
That reads to me like Rubio is fully committed to advance amnesty and chronic mass immigration both legal and illegal, it's just that he's still in the mode of pandering to the mass base of the Republican Party till he doesn't have to.
It's an advantage for the left that their political representatives are to the left of where they publicly present themselves to be. Both activists and the leftist mass media can safely give these stealth super-liberals cover till they get into position to do some real damage.
It's a disadvantage for the right that their political representatives are also to the left of where they publicly present themselves to be. Right wing activists have no choice by to drag their representatives as far right as possible in public, demanding public commitments and risky statements that will be used against them in elections, because the alternative to putting that pressure on them is to let them march left and left and left, which they would. (And judged by the constant growth of politically correct legislation and the size of government, which they do anyway.)
The only positive spin I can put on this is that ordinary, non-elite rightists shouldn't blame themselves for what is happening. It's not that their hearts are in the wrong place, but that those with power know their opinions and despise them.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 28, 2012 03:57 AM (r3I/G)
Here we go, MM - this is the story I was telling you about:
"I couldn’t see the bulb and I struck a match and put it on and then I stepped away,” said Stanley Tomaszewski, a 16-year-old bus boy. “Then all of a sudden the palm tree seemed to take fire. . . . I was standing on top of the bench when I saw the fire. Some lady said, ‘look, the palm tree is on fire.’ I tried to beat it out with my hands.”
With those words, Tomaszewski provided an account of the opening moments of the Cocoanut Grove fire, one of the most devastating building blazes in American history that saw 492 people killed in Boston on Nov. 28, 1942.
The words of Tomaszewski and others who were in the club and witnessed the tragedy have been brought back to life with the release on Tuesday by Boston police, for the first time publicly, of the transcripts of interviews with survivors. The release comes one month before the commemoration of the 70th anniversary of the blaze.
“It’s a nationally important story, but it’s also particularly a Boston story," said Margaret R. Sullivan, the Police Department’s records manager and archivist who spearheaded the effort to release the statements.
Sullivan said she thought the public would benefit from having access to the statements, and that she was struck by accounts of servicemen who were passing by the club as the fire raged and rushed in to provide assistance.‘We made for the stairs. The flames were on my heels and crawled right along and spread out.’
“These people went in and saved lives and sometimes were quite badly injured,” she said.
The fast moving fire destroyed what was then one of BostonÂ’s most elegant nightclubs, on Piedmont Street. An investigation failed to determine the cause.
Club owner Barnett Welansky was convicted of involuntary manslaughter, setting the legal precedent that a conscious failure to address dangerous conditions was basis enough for guilt.
Among the released transcripts, which the Boston Public Library has digitized for public viewing online, is an interview with Nick Pagonis, then an ensign with the US Naval Reserve stationed at MIT who went to the club that night with two other men.
“The people went wild,” Pagonis told police in 1942. “We were just battling to keep them back when the smoke got me and someone pulled me out. ... When the firemen came we grabbed the axes and broke windows. It seemed to me that all those rescue workers were in the way. They held back those who wanted to help. The whole picture was very disgusting.”
Other witnesses quoted in the newly released transcripts told police that they were shocked by the speed and force of the blaze.
“I was just coming out of the ladies room and enveloped by smoke,” V. Alice Maulsby, then 22, of Wellesley, told police.
“I never saw anything go so fast. ... My escort was there looking for me and [we] made our way over different people and somebody reached in and said, ‘Come on, sister.’ ”
Roland Sousa, 45, of Salem, told police he was not alarmed when the palm tree caught fire.
“I was just going to sit down and there is a little palm tree in the corner and it started to get aflame, but I didn’t get too excited because I had seen that before and they put it out,” he said.
But this time, he continued, the flame reached the ceiling.
“Yes, started to crawl all around the joint,” he said. “They didn’t stop it. It got ahead of them. So we made for the stairs. The flames were on my heels and crawled right along and spread out and then started smoking.”
Tomaszewski, in his witness account, said he lit a match to help see the light bulb that a bartender had asked him to screw back into its socket.
The bartender, John Bradley, denied in an interview that he had asked Tomaszewski to screw in the bulb, though he also said he told the youth that “it had to be done” after the teenager informed him a patron had taken it out.
Tomaszewski initially denied in an interview with police Captain John F. McCarthy that he lit the match, but admitted doing so later in the interview.
Stephanie Schorow, a veteran reporter and author of “The Cocoanut Grove Fire,” said on Tuesday that the transcripts contradict the popular image of Tomaszewski.
“It was very difficult for him to come forward and talk about it,” said Schorow, a freelance restaurant critic for the Globe who is giving a lecture on the fire at the Boston Public Library on Nov. 14.
“There’s kind of a mythology that he was very forthright about it, but if you read these statements, you’ll see they had to kind of tease it out of him,” she said.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 03:58 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 03:58 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 03:58 AM (TYO2p)
Posted by: Truman North at November 28, 2012 03:58 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 28, 2012 03:59 AM (JDIKC)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 28, 2012 03:59 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 07:57 AM (GsoHv)
When the insurance company sends an inspector it gets an honest look. Their ass is on the line so they inspect and envelopes crossing hands do not effect them.
Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 03:59 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: alexthechick at November 28, 2012 07:38 AM (Gk3SS)
Because it's just too tempting to play with -- it's distracting.
Posted by: typical piggish moron at November 28, 2012 03:59 AM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 04:00 AM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 28, 2012 04:00 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 04:01 AM (XkWWK)
Ah....back when SNL was funny.
I loved that bit. That one and when he did E. Buzz Miller
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 04:01 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 04:01 AM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Truman North at November 28, 2012 04:02 AM (I2LwF)
So...being the Devil's Advocate....why should the insurance company enforce rules that are not mandated by law?
Posted by: typical piggish moron at November 28, 2012 04:03 AM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 04:03 AM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 08:01 AM (sbV1u)
Wow...you are OLD!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 04:04 AM (GsoHv)
Can you say "Eschaton?"
I knew that you could.
Posted by: Fred Rogers at November 28, 2012 04:04 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 04:05 AM (XkWWK)
Ahem.
"Experienced"
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 04:05 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 04:06 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 04:06 AM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 08:01 AM (3Y7RV)
You're presuming your new playtoys would be fresh out of the wrapper goodness. Suppose you had Helen Thomas' skanky old ladyparts? Hazmat gloves and D-Con don't exactly add to intimate enjoyment.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 04:06 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: kawfytawk at November 28, 2012 04:06 AM (JWLqy)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 04:07 AM (3Y7RV)
Don't knock it until you've tried it.
Posted by: Barney Frank at November 28, 2012 04:07 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 04:07 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 08:05 AM (sbV1u)
Heh.
You and I are about the same "experience."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 04:08 AM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 28, 2012 04:08 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: Truman North at November 28, 2012 04:09 AM (I2LwF)
I lucked out though. When I was at my senior prom my wife was 5.
So I got that goin' for me...which is nice.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 04:09 AM (sbV1u)
Missed the first part of this, but assuming vic is saying that fire code would be better enforced by Insurance companies- because it actually costs the Insurance Company money when you have a covered loss.
So, if they were enforcing the fire codes, they could go in and say "fix this, or we're not responsible for any loss by fire." After the fact, they could send their own investigators in, and refuse to pay if they find that code violations where what caused losses.
Actually, many of them do that anyway.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 28, 2012 04:10 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 04:11 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 04:11 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: typical piggish moron at November 28, 2012 08:03 AM (GsoHv)
Where did I say that? They inspect for compliance with the fire codes.
Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 04:11 AM (YdQQY)
What was going on in 2005 that made Clinton so needy that he tried to see Flowers?
Posted by: Miss Marple at November 28, 2012 07:31 AM (GoIUi)
Billy woke up with morning wood, and Hillary was snoring next to him.
Posted by: Bruce at November 28, 2012 04:12 AM (qB0/v)
Tragic though it was, I really hate that they do that, but what the hell don't they politicize?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 08:01 AM (XkWWK)
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Back in the day I never actually thought about politics- I just got pissed at people who did stupid things that got other people hurt and at people who wouldn't take responsibility for their own safety.
Nowadays I find myself remembering all kinds of things from those days as reasons why I'm a conservative.
Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 04:13 AM (RSqz2)
Posted by: real joe at November 28, 2012 04:13 AM (PD2ad)
The larger question is whether the market can drive society toward safer construction and operating standards faster and better than government
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 04:13 AM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 04:13 AM (zF6Iw)
Tri-tip sausage ham hock pork meatball jerky!
Posted by: Jones in CO at November 28, 2012 04:13 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 04:13 AM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 07:57 AM (GsoHv)
No, the question is which approach will give the government the most power!
Posted by: Barky Ochooma (Redistributor of YOUR Wealth) at November 28, 2012 04:14 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 08:11 AM (YdQQY)
Not everything is a criticism...and try to follow along.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 04:15 AM (GsoHv)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 08:05 AM (XkWWK)
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Or just set them on fire and say "see, I TOLD you those things are flammable!"
Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 04:15 AM (RSqz2)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 28, 2012 04:15 AM (JDIKC)
They are trying to pass a law for that here as well following a fire at a condo in Myrtle Beach that killed a bunch of college kids.
The fire started because they put a BBQ grill on the porch and it turned over while they were "asleep".
Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 04:15 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: sTevo at November 28, 2012 04:16 AM (Eow3P)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 28, 2012 04:17 AM (feFL6)
Steamboat boiler design guidelines were driven by insurance requirements back in the free market days, before citizens became too stupid to think for themselves.
Posted by: Barky Ochooma (Redistributor of YOUR Wealth) at November 28, 2012 04:17 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: kawfytawk at November 28, 2012 04:18 AM (JWLqy)
She had to be home in time for The Muppet Show
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 04:18 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 28, 2012 07:49 AM (JDIKC)
Don't forget how tired they are doing EVERYTHING, cause their husband/spouse/boyfriend is sooooo lazy
Posted by: Bruce at November 28, 2012 04:18 AM (qB0/v)
And there's all that time required to apply makeup!
Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 28, 2012 04:19 AM (Cnqmv)
No. The question is whether government should have any say at all in "safer construction and operating standards." I don't believe they should.
Look, it's simply good business sense not to let all your stuff catch on fire, along with your employees and customers. Government shouldn't need to tell you that.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 28, 2012 04:19 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 08:15 AM (GsoHv)
I was replying to a comment that implied I was calling for insurance companies to enforce laws that did not exist. You try to follow along.
Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 04:19 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Truman North at November 28, 2012 08:09 AM (I2LwF)
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The "Ty-D-Bowl".
Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 04:19 AM (RSqz2)
Posted by: Zakn at November 28, 2012 04:20 AM (zyaZ1)
http://is.gd/neDUNP Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 06:59 AM
The USA is technically a Currency Manufacturer
Posted by: Dept of Accuracy at November 28, 2012 04:21 AM (+I8Mq)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 28, 2012 04:21 AM (VtjlW)
You keep acting like individuals could possibly think for themselves in a practical economic sense. In the future, please post that kind of thinking on your blog, when you get it up and running!
Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 28, 2012 04:22 AM (Cnqmv)
And that's the big question: which is the quickest way to get to a safer boiler or apartment building or car or......?
I think that the market will ultimately drive safety better and quicker, and with fewer casualties along the way. But it's a tough sell.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 04:22 AM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Thorvald at November 28, 2012 04:22 AM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: kawfytawk at November 28, 2012 04:22 AM (JWLqy)
Don't forget countermanding and indecision. Two of my favs.
Posted by: Fritz at November 28, 2012 04:23 AM (/ZZCn)
Posted by: Whatev at November 28, 2012 04:23 AM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 28, 2012 04:24 AM (OevbG)
Posted by: Thorvald at November 28, 2012 04:24 AM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 04:25 AM (TYO2p)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 04:26 AM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 28, 2012 04:26 AM (feFL6)
There is a fallacy there. Getting a design (or a regulation) faster doesn't necessarily make it a better design or a better regulation (if there is such a thing). Some things take just take iterative design, but each version is incrementally better. I think the independent approach eventually results in a better result, while the "instantaneous" government regulatory approach produces paper "results" that might influence future designs in a negative way.
Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 28, 2012 04:27 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 04:27 AM (TYO2p)
Posted by: Thorvald at November 28, 2012 04:27 AM (1V6Pv)
So I gotta say, these comments are outstanding. The Horde at it's finest. And how AtC hasn't firebombed you all yet is beyond me.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 28, 2012 04:28 AM (da5Wo)
Who around here wouldn't have banged her after a few hours of drinking at a frat party?
Threes turn into eights after lots of drinking.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 04:28 AM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Truman North at November 28, 2012 04:29 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Truman North at November 28, 2012 04:31 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 28, 2012 04:31 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at November 28, 2012 04:31 AM (V3kRK)
Well, I asked what the quickest way to "a safer" boiler or whatever.
But I agree that regulation is not the best approach.
The big question is how to sell it to a public clamoring for government to "DO SOMETHING!" in the wake of some tragedy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 04:32 AM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Icedog at November 28, 2012 04:32 AM (9ScGj)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 28, 2012 04:35 AM (GVxQo)
LOL, I put my BBQ grill on the front porch so I could grill in inclement weather. No problem, the floor was concrete. But it resulted in grease from the smoke getting all over the overhead. It would not scrub off and you could not paint over it.
Wound up having to replace the entire overhead. Grill went back in the yard where it belongs.
Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 04:37 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: kawfytawk at November 28, 2012 04:37 AM (JWLqy)
Posted by: Thorvald at November 28, 2012 04:37 AM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: kawfytawk at November 28, 2012 04:39 AM (JWLqy)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 08:32 AM (GsoHv)
We have already lost that one!
Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 28, 2012 04:40 AM (Cnqmv)
Morning, all! I know there's a nood, but it's too early to go OT there yet, so here I be in the Headlines thread.
I just have to ask: am I the only person who has absolutely zero sympathy for this woman?
Empty EmbraceÂ… Hurricane Sandy Victim Upset After Being Played By Obama (Video) (at Gateway Pundit)
I was very excited and felt warm by the embrace thinking this is really going to happen. I’m going to get the help I need because he promised that. I’ve gotten no help. I’ve gotten nothing but ‘No, you’re not covered for this. No, you’re not covered for that.”
It's terrible what happened, but anyone stupid enough to believe Obumfuck actually gives a rat's ass about them is too stupid, IMO, for much sympathy.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/b][/u] at November 28, 2012 04:42 AM (4df7R)
Well, here's the thing.
If you run your own business by yourself, with no employees, and you don't have customers wandering through your place all day, I'd agree with you. If you want to work in a firetrap, go right ahead, nobody should stop you from doing stupid shit. If you ignore your insurance company's advice, or don't get insurance, fine, be stupid like that.
If you run your own business, but have employees who have full freedom of contract, and they know the score - that you don't really care about fire danger or insurance or crap like that - then fine, let them be stupid along with you. Government shouldn't get in the way.
But, if you have customers wandering through your place, then it gets a little bit different, because unless you post signs along the lines of WARNING: OWNER IS A DUMBSHIT WHO DOESN'T CARE IF HIS PLACE BURNS DOWN, ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK, how are customers supposed to know that they are taking their lives in their own hands by just setting foot in your store?
I think even a conservative can make a principled argument that due to lack of customer information about the nature of every single business, and in order to have a well-functioning marketplace ("free market" doesn't mean "no rules", remember) that facilitates the flow of goods and services, some minimal standards ought to be required of businesses that serve the public, that protects the otherwise unsuspecting customers from easily foreseeable physical risks.
Of course the left will try to stretch this principle as far as they possibly can and insist that every business should be held to insanely strict standards, more often than not as a regulatory instrument to shut out competition. But that is because they are trying to co-opt an otherwise sound principle, not because the principle itself is unsound.
Just my two cents on the matter. But what do I know, I'm a RINO.
Posted by: chemjeff at November 28, 2012 04:47 AM (d/5qf)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 28, 2012 04:50 AM (GVxQo)
Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 04:51 AM (TYO2p)
Posted by: kawfytawk at November 28, 2012 04:56 AM (JWLqy)
A strict market economist would argue that tort law will ultimately drive your hypothetical idiot out of business, and push the remaining businesses to make their facilities safer.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 04:58 AM (GsoHv)
Posted by: kawfytawk at November 28, 2012 04:58 AM (JWLqy)
Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 04:59 AM (TYO2p)
Posted by: kawfytawk at November 28, 2012 08:18 AM (JWLqy)
I'm a fan of Pillow Talk, myself. No DD stories I know of off the top of my head, just the Oscar Levant quip, "I've been in Hollywood so long, I knew Doris Day before she was a virgin."
Got to run, everyone. See you tomorrow.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 05:00 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Weirddave at November 28, 2012 05:08 AM (aH+zP)
- Republican obsession with Benghazi makes no sensel
Editor's note: Peter Bergen is CNN's national security analyst
and the author of "Manhunt: The Ten-Year Search for bin
Laden -- From 9/11 to Abbottabad."
(CNN) -- Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice, a possible
nominee to be the next secretary of state, came to Capitol Hill Tuesday
to perform a private mea culpa to key Republican senators for her
erroneous initial public statements about the perpetrators of the attack
on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi in September in which four
Americans were killed.
It didn't work.
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 28, 2012 07:11 AM (RrD4h)
The North Korean media just issued a statement to CNN to let them know that was a bit over the top
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2012 05:14 AM (1Jaio)
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Well done that woman.
Ultimately martial arts is not about competitions, ranks and belts, rather it exists to be used as this woman used her krav maga or as Jeremy Glick used his judo on Flight 93.
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Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 02:59 AM (YdQQY)