December 10, 2012
— Gabriel Malor Happy Monday.
Speaker Boehner and President Obama met over the weekend to discuss the fiscal cliff. No progress reported.
Drew wrote up Sen. Corker's idea that the GOP give in on tax hikes for those making more than $250,000. While I totally disagree with Corker, I'm surprised at the opprobrium he's getting over this. After all, his proposal, as summed up by Drew, sounds a lot like what conservatives have been saying:
Step 1: Unconditional surrender to Obama and the DemocratsStep 2: ???
Step 3: Massive entitlement reform that neither Obama nor any Democrat wants.
Only the particulars of the third step appear to be different. Conservatives have it something like, "Step 3: American voters realize that Obama and the Democrats' plan was terrible and vote in Republicans conservatives to do massive entitlement and tax reform that neither Obama nor any Democrat wants."
China's largest auto parts manufacturer just bought the bankrupt, taxpayer-funded A123 green battery maker.
The F.C.C. calls on the F.A.A. to allow passengers to use electronics during take-off and landing.
Something's up in Pakistan; quite a few Al Qaeda leaders have dropped dead in the past week and a half.
Yet another Romney candidacy postmortem, if you're still into that sort of thing.
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Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at December 10, 2012 02:53 AM (9HhTH)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 10, 2012 02:55 AM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 10, 2012 02:56 AM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: Pope Pol Pot at December 10, 2012 02:56 AM (OqWMe)
Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 03:00 AM (+paCV)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 03:01 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 03:04 AM (+paCV)
I am still not hating on the rain, however, remembering the drought last summer. The ground water needs replenishing.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 03:04 AM (GoIUi)
The R party is not going to hold back tax increases, so why would any politician want to be the guy who looks like he's driving the car over the phony cliff?
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2012 03:04 AM (BeSEI)
Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 03:05 AM (CWlPF)
Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 03:07 AM (+paCV)
That has always bothered me. If, upon takeoff & landing, an iPhone can crash a plane by playing Angry Birds, FIX THE DAMN PLANE!
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 10, 2012 03:08 AM (d0Dmj)
A Hannukah image from Al-Reuters that I really like for some reason. Heh.
http://is.gd/zJSpOT
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 10, 2012 03:09 AM (hO8IJ)
Cold? Anything below 59. Hot? Anything above 110.
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 10, 2012 03:09 AM (d0Dmj)
Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 03:10 AM (+paCV)
Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 03:12 AM (+paCV)
In Indiana we rarely get much snow before January. I am hoping we get a decent snow before Christmas, but that has been my wish almost every year and it rarely happens.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 03:12 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: But at December 10, 2012 03:12 AM (/0/QA)
Then consider how hallowed traditions, like the Senate itself deciding when it is in session or not, can be ignored by a SCoaMF at his convenience.
My rating -- Much more likely than an Alex Jones conspiracy theory.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 03:12 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Beefy Meatball at December 10, 2012 03:13 AM (i7B17)
Either way, I really don't know Corker, but I'm getting more of an image of what rats do when the ship is going down, rather than anybody making any sort of coordinated stand/surrender.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2012 03:13 AM (BeSEI)
Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 03:16 AM (+paCV)
Posted by: Infidel at December 10, 2012 03:16 AM (z/wx3)
Then governors could call them back home and give them instructions or replace them.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 03:17 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at December 10, 2012 03:17 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 03:19 AM (CWlPF)
Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 03:20 AM (+paCV)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 03:20 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: zippy at December 10, 2012 03:20 AM (n422X)
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 10, 2012 03:21 AM (d0Dmj)
Daybrother - Been here since '75, still can't get used to below 0.
Time to hit the Monday morning routine.
Posted by: Infidel at December 10, 2012 03:22 AM (z/wx3)
And here we are at the beginning of another week, Moron Nation. I know I’ve mentioned it before, but I really hate driving to work at 5.30am on a cold, rainy December morning. Yes, I know, I know – be grateful you’ve a job at all, even if you could make more staying home and being one of the Obamajugend’s Strength-Through-Laziness brigade.
Well, letÂ’s talk Old Hollywood, shall we?
Louis B. Mayer was a multitalented man, but above all a master manipulator - as an actor, he was the equal of any of MGMÂ’s stars. Here's a story that shows off his manipulation and cynicism in equal measure; rather than paraphrase, I'm quoting directly from the source, Mayer and Thalberg: The Make-Believe Saints by Samuel Marx.*
"The studio was disrupted. . .when newly inaugurated President Roosevelt closed the country's banks, declared a moratorium and made it impossible to cash checks. It served to spotlight the nation in crisis but added fears of a greater depression in the years ahead than those just past. Film companies, too, had suffered from diminishing returns, for people with little money on hand stopped going to the movies. The heads of the studios began a series of meetings to discuss the situation. A drastic decision to effect stringent economies resulted.
"Assembly was called in the Thalberg projection room. It overflowed with stars, writers, directors and department heads. The reason for the meeting was no secret. All the Hollywood studios chose that day to ask their employees, even those bound by contract, to accept a 50 percent cut in salary. It was needed, they claimed, because conditions throughout the country threatened to force them into bankruptcy and close their doors forever.
"The group at MGM sat unhappily or nearly twenty minutes before Mayer entered, his face stubbled and his eyes red, as if his nights had been as sleepless as his days were unshaven. He began with a soft utterance: "My friends. . ." Then he broke down. Stricken, he held out his hands, supplicating, bereft of words.
"Lionel Barrymore spoke up huskily. "We all know why we are here. Don't worry, L.B. We're with you."
"Ernest Vajda** was not with him. "I read the company statements, Mr. Mayer," he said. "I know our films are doing well. Maybe these other companies must do this, but this company should not. Let us wait; there's no reason to cut our pay at this time."
"Then Barrymore, with his commanding, stage-trained voice, drawled, "Mr. Vajda is like a man on his way to the guillotine, wanting to stop for a manicure."
"The assemblage laughed and applauded. Mayer beamed.
"Actress May Robson*** rose to her feet. "As the oldest person in the room," she proclaimed, "I will take the cut!"
"Almost as if prompted, a child actor jumped to his feet. "As the youngest in the room, I will take the cut!" Mayer asked them to vote if they were willing to slash their incomes in half, "for no more than eight weeks and I, Louis B. Mayer, will work to see that you get back every penny when this terrible emergency is over!"
"Deeply moved, many shouted their willingness and when Mayer called for a vote, the pay cut was approved.
The group dispersed and I was a few steps ahead of Mayer and Thau as we crossed the iron bridge to the front-office building. Oblivious to the fact that I could surely hear him, he asked the talent expert, "How did I do?""****
And there we are. Hope you all have a wonderful day.
*an MGM producer; also discoverer of Elizabeth Taylor.
**an MGM screenwriter best known for The Barretts of Wimpole Street
***an actress known for her 'old-lday-with-a-heart-of-gold' roles; played the Queen of Hearts in Alice In Wonderland and Aunt Polly in The Adventures of Tom Sawyer
****need I add that Mayer himself never took the paycut and no-one got their lost wages back?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 10, 2012 03:22 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Infidel at December 10, 2012 03:23 AM (z/wx3)
Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 03:23 AM (CWlPF)
"What is the expected outcome of this action?"
I don't see anyone asking this question about anything going on.
Examples:
Obama: Raise taxes on the evil rich!
Me: What is the expected outcome of this action?
Some conservatives: Refuse to raise taxes and go over the cliff!
Me: What is the expected outcome of this action?
Other conservatives: Let Obama have the tax increase on the rich.
Me: What is the expected outcome of this action?
We get nowhere when people start in with Crying Boehner, they're gonna cave, they are only interested in themselves, etc. If you have an action that you think should be taken, then tellme what the expected outcome is!
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 03:23 AM (GoIUi)
That's how the Framers envisioned it. The Senate represents the states' interests to the federal government, and the House represents the people's interests. All of this has been bastardized of course, by the loathsome swine we call 'politicians'.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 03:24 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 03:24 AM (+paCV)
Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at December 10, 2012 03:24 AM (zZJJp)
Posted by: zippy at December 10, 2012 03:24 AM (n422X)
That's brilliant!
And backed up with so much data!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 03:25 AM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 10, 2012 03:27 AM (Q32WF)
Unfortunately he is completely correct in his analysis.
Unserious people...indeed!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 03:27 AM (GsoHv)
You see, the gubmint figures that you are saving money by not renting, and that adds to your INCOME. Thus, if it is paid for you are making even more.
http://tinyurl.com/apodggl
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 03:27 AM (ccXZP)
Me: What is the expected outcome of this action?
Me: Everything goes to shit. But that's what America wanted. Why do you feel so strongly about saving a bunch of lazy greedy ignorant malcontents from their own actions? Fuck 'em.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 10, 2012 03:28 AM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 03:28 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at December 10, 2012 03:29 AM (zZJJp)
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Actually, it's my grandchildren who I worry about. The FSA, I do not care one whit about. I just don't want my grandkids enslaved to them.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 03:31 AM (GoIUi)
Plot the net worth of every Senator from when he took office to the present.
Then ask each one to explain, without notes, how he got to his present state of wealth.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 03:33 AM (GoIUi)
I don't know if it's hilarious, sad, or sadly hilarious that my immediate response to that was "Hurray! We haven't been sold out yet!"
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 10, 2012 03:33 AM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 07:24 AM (+paCV)
Yeah, it's so depressing. All the 'crazy people' of my childhood were right. The commies really are taking over, the government is *not* 'saving' your SS money for you, Adele Davis was right about broccoli......that last one really hurts.
Posted by: Pentangle at December 10, 2012 03:35 AM (YfpdV)
Posted by: Blacksheep at December 10, 2012 03:35 AM (8/DeP)
Posted by: Opus An Arcus at December 10, 2012 03:37 AM (8k/Ud)
Kevin McCarthy (R) Cali is on CNBC talking about the fiscal cliff. This guy is waaay better than Corker.
Posted by: Tami at December 10, 2012 03:39 AM (X6akg)
Thanks, that was exactly the motivation needed to fire up Rosetta Stone this morning. About a quarter of the way thru the Spanish program, planning to go checkout Panama and Uruguay in a couple of months.
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at December 10, 2012 03:39 AM (9HhTH)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at December 10, 2012 03:40 AM (QXlbZ)
Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 03:41 AM (+paCV)
You are asking the wrong questions. Your ?s should be directed to DC, where the decisions are being made. Our little whinings here about the wisdom of one sorry plan vs another mean squat.
I will say that our whines are beginning to resemble those of more powerful voices. A small bone of hope, if you will.
Without radical changes in spending, our currency will collapse. This isn't a guess, it's an immutable fact. The credit bubble will collapse just as the dotcom and housing bubbles did.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 03:42 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Infidel at December 10, 2012 03:43 AM (z/wx3)
Posted by: Opus An Arcus at December 10, 2012 07:37 AM (8k/Ud)
35F @ 55MPH = 18F. Think I'll stay in and watch teevee.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 03:43 AM (8sCoq)
Shower radio is a "Spectra." Has been in almost daily use since 1985. Very basic. Vol (on/off) dial, tuning dial, am/fm toggle. That's it. Seems to me the more jazzed up appliances get, the less reliable they are.
Posted by: Gem at December 10, 2012 03:45 AM (zw+pb)
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 10, 2012 03:45 AM (53riN)
I hate Indiana.
Nothing but rain.
You know better than this if you have lived here any length of time.
And good morning! any way, it's more like a drizzle than a rain.
Posted by: Cicero Kid. at December 10, 2012 03:47 AM (hq+RW)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 07:43 AM (8sCoq)
When I cycled (in my youth) I had a pair of winter gloves with about 3/4 inch of insulation on the backs. I never really got why, until one day in the winter I forgot them, and descended South Park Drive in the Berkeley hills.
This was California weather, on a bicycle (probably 35mph tops) and I thought my hands were going to fall off.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 03:48 AM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at December 10, 2012 03:49 AM (zZJJp)
Posted by: Japanese Olympic gymnastics team at December 10, 2012 03:49 AM (SSWdi)
Posted by: Golan Globus at December 10, 2012 03:49 AM (/1U3u)
Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 03:50 AM (I2LwF)
I love the triple-dippers. Three civil service jobs, three pensions, and their current position.
Rope...lamp post. Some assembly required.
And....do you want in on the NY/NJ moron meetup e-mail list?
If so, shoot me an e-mail at: nynjmeet at optimum dot net.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 03:51 AM (GsoHv)
Action: Politicians stand up for what they believe.
Expected outcome: Let the chips fall where they may.
Our problem is that the Dems are being completely honest about what they want (i.e. class warfare, let the rich eat worms), and the R's are lying about all of it.
If you don't really believe higher taxes are NOT the problem, then give in. Let Obama have what he wants. If you do believe it, stand up to the tyrant, and go to the gallows with your head held high.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2012 03:52 AM (BeSEI)
Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 03:53 AM (+paCV)
Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 07:50 AM (I2LwF)
FIFY
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 03:53 AM (GsoHv)
The people changing from R to I: what do you expect to solve with it? That next elections the D/I/R will be 55/10/35?
Let it burn might not be a good strategy but switching to independents (among people who believe in nothing and fall for everything) doesn't sound like the smartest move ever
Posted by: fromabroad at December 10, 2012 03:55 AM (rnV3B)
"No.....He's proposing to give the tax increases now and HOPE for spending cuts later."
Posted by: Tami at December 10, 2012 03:55 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 03:59 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at December 10, 2012 03:59 AM (zZJJp)
Ouch. Stop hitting me!
Posted by: Straw man at December 10, 2012 04:00 AM (USJNU)
"Ok"
Posted by: sven10077 at December 10, 2012 04:01 AM (LRFds)
Because I no longer want to be associated with losers- with a Party that has betrayed its core beliefs. The GOP as currently constituted pays lip service to lower taxes and smaller government. I want no part of it. I don't expect my leaving the party will solve anything. It's about not wanting to be associated with an organization that doesn't reflect my beliefs.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 04:01 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: pep at December 10, 2012 04:02 AM (USJNU)
Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 04:03 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: alexiosososoososossoo at December 10, 2012 04:07 AM (uFY4s)
Nah having no sway with either party is a brilliant tactical disposition.
That way the GOP goes socialist light letting the donks go full communist.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 10, 2012 04:07 AM (LRFds)
I don't know if it's hilarious, sad, or sadly hilarious that my immediate response to that was "Hurray! We haven't been sold out yet!"
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 10, 2012 07:33 AM (Gk3SS)
Sounds about right to me.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 04:08 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 04:08 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2012 08:09 AM (UIE9v)
not followin' ya...
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 04:10 AM (8sCoq)
Go down swinging!!!
Posted by: General Woundwort at December 10, 2012 04:11 AM (RrD4h)
Posted by: alexiosososoososossoo at December 10, 2012 04:11 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: DanInMN at December 10, 2012 04:11 AM (khf9A)
95
are you aware that on the other side they vote for whatever retard they present? It doesn't matter if they think the shit bama is too leftwing or too extreme or too incapable. Retarded as they are they double down on stupidity.
By leaving the R you are playing their game because they will use it for saying gop is the party of extremists (when in reality you are leaving for the opposite reason).
Politics is about perception. This kind of stuff gives the perception of a losing party more than losing the elections.
A lot of gop representatives are below standards but switching to the side where low standard is the norm doesn't seem very bright.
Your 'point' does not help conservatives. It helps the enemy.
Posted by: fromabroad at December 10, 2012 04:12 AM (rnV3B)
There is a cliff and it is what the military will be pushed over. Carter style cuts in military spending during a low grade and world wide war will get people killed. Our people.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at December 10, 2012 04:12 AM (+VMZ0)
Posted by: pep at December 10, 2012 08:02 AM (USJNU)
Voting present is not the adult-in-the-room way of doing things, rather we should reach across the aisle and embrace what our socialist overlords have in mind for us, then the American people will love us and vote R!
Posted by: Karl Rover at December 10, 2012 04:13 AM (Cnqmv)
Probably gonna be too nippy to ride the MC today.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 07:01 AM (8sCoq)
Racist bastard. Its just winter.
Posted by: Japanese Olympic gymnastics team
Heh. Back in my brother's university days, his Japanese friend decided to go skydiving one day. When my brother relayed this information to his Korean girlfriend (now my sister-in-law), she replied, "I thought there was a little nip in the air this morning."
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at December 10, 2012 04:13 AM (BrQrN)
Posted by: typo dynamofo at December 10, 2012 04:14 AM (+VMZ0)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Shipping Sheldon/Penny right to the end. at December 10, 2012 04:15 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 10, 2012 04:15 AM (53riN)
Unfortunately for our children, the reform of the entitlement state will happen because of the failure to reform the entitlement state.
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 04:18 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Shipping Sheldon/Penny right to the end. at December 10, 2012 08:15 AM (VtjlW)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 04:18 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: alexiososoosoososossoo at December 10, 2012 04:19 AM (uFY4s)
Pics or it didn't happen!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 04:19 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 04:19 AM (I2LwF)
That means you have enough time that you could potentially live again as a free man. LIB is *for* you.
Posted by: DanInMN at December 10, 2012 04:21 AM (khf9A)
Oh, and maybe a "reset" button!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 04:21 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at December 10, 2012 04:22 AM (9HhTH)
Posted by: alexeo at December 10, 2012 04:23 AM (uFY4s)
http://tinyurl.com/bdb2hzl
Oh, and I think AtC's webcam is a lie. A cruel hoax.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 04:23 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Blacksheep at December 10, 2012 04:24 AM (8/DeP)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 04:24 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 04:25 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: alexeo at December 10, 2012 04:25 AM (uFY4s)
Something's up in Pakistan; quite a few Al Qaeda leaders have dropped dead in the past week and a half.
So is it a covert assault by another extremist faction that wants to get rid of the competition, an internal revolt wherein lower rung members of al Qaeda want to climb the ladder to positions of power, or is it an outside force that's doing it? I doubt it's us; Obammy's too fond of his drone strikes and this is way too subtle for him. Maybe India?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/b][/i][/u] at December 10, 2012 04:25 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 08:23 AM (ccXZP)
this sounds interesting- got a link?
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 04:26 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: alexeo at December 10, 2012 04:26 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Cricket at December 10, 2012 04:26 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: Elize Nayden at December 10, 2012 04:27 AM (5w5dN)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/b][/i][/u] at December 10, 2012 04:27 AM (4df7R)
Wrong, Gabe, not that I'm terribly surprised
1: Do absolutely nothing to oppose TFG's Agenda (distinction w/o difference there, I know)
2: Watch the pretty colors while everything burns.
3: Rebuild from the ashes.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 04:27 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: alexeoso at December 10, 2012 04:29 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: zippy at December 10, 2012 04:29 AM (n422X)
Posted by: alexeoso at December 10, 2012 04:31 AM (uFY4s)
I love having this discussion. "My weather sucks more than your weather!"
In honesty, I'll point out that Texan's idea of "cold" starts at about 50 F. That said, my Michigan Transplant wife pointed out that, once it gets really cold (40s and below), Texas cold is mean. The thermometer may read higher than it would in Colorado, or Michigan, or wherever, but your coat doesn't seem to be nearly as effective.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 04:31 AM (5DR1j)
I think someone bought his and Crist's votes with a few cases of spray on.
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at December 10, 2012 04:32 AM (9HhTH)
Posted by: alexeososo at December 10, 2012 04:34 AM (uFY4s)
But that would take discipline, a spine, and principles, so....
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 04:35 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: alexeososo at December 10, 2012 04:37 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 04:38 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 04:38 AM (a0nis)
Posted by: alexeososo at December 10, 2012 08:35 AM (uFY4s)
Think how cold you would be if it weren't for AGW! There would be polar bears in Lincoln.
Posted by: Albert Gore, Climate Scientist at December 10, 2012 04:38 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: alexeososo at December 10, 2012 04:39 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 04:39 AM (Cnqmv)
Apparently, you have never watched the political wrangling over the BRAC list. Sure, the military could make its procurements more efficiently if given free reign and absolute support from its civilian bosses. That never happens. Oh, no! You can't close the base in my district. We'll lose jobs. Oh, no! You can't do away with this weapons system. We'll lose jobs...and so on. The use or lose budgeting doesn't help matters either.
Posted by: no good deed at December 10, 2012 04:40 AM (mjR67)
Posted by: alexeososo at December 10, 2012 04:41 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 04:41 AM (I2LwF)
Ashes do not necessarily make for good foundation material in a rebuilding effort, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 04:43 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: beach monday at December 10, 2012 04:43 AM (LpQbZ)
Indeed, of course Honey Boo Nation don't give a shit other than trying to force people back in at gunpoint when the shit hits the fan.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 10, 2012 04:44 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 08:41 AM (I2LwF)
But they'd have to take time of from accepting campaign contributions and getting insider information for their stock brokers to use.
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 04:45 AM (Cnqmv)
Big mistake for the GOP because it will take away the tax issue as part of their platform. Nobody believes them now. When this is done, voters really won't have any idea what the GOP stands for.
What will they run on next time- how bad four, no wait, eight years of Obama has been?
Yeah, that's been a real winner- hasn't it?
Let Obama- own it? You are kidding, correct?
Because he also owns our entire fiscal situation.
But it's Republicans fault because they can't explain to people how one-third of the government can't force Obama, the Senate and over 200 Democrats in the House into a deal.
So take your biggest leverage off the table which will get real entitlement cuts then comes back next year with what? Your dick in your hand?
Dopes.
Posted by: marcus at December 10, 2012 04:45 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: no good deed at December 10, 2012 04:45 AM (mjR67)
Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 04:47 AM (I2LwF)
Maybe come up with a fawning over celebrity type program and intersperse segments with how the actions of the government will affect the Kardasssssians, and American Idol, and George Clooney...oh god no, not George Clooney!!!!!
Posted by: Bruce at December 10, 2012 04:49 AM (Q6u7O)
Posted by: aloe vera at December 10, 2012 04:49 AM (uFY4s)
It's very liberating to explain to family that the nation they thought they were in died while they were busy laughing with moonbats at the war.
My sister in law started crying because her owner decided that a manager stealing direct from the cash register did not bother him too much since "he's a nice enough guy."
Morals?
Never heard of 'em.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 10, 2012 04:50 AM (LRFds)
"At least I can go have a cigarette without getting rained on. "
God I miss that sweet, sweet smoke.
Posted by: jwest at December 10, 2012 04:52 AM (ZDsRL)
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Posted by: aloe veransoirdex at December 10, 2012 04:55 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 08:27 AM (4df7R)
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The guys who want to replace them, of course.
Posted by: Nighthawk at December 10, 2012 04:56 AM (RSqz2)
Well the left and horryweird but I repeat myself have finally succeeded in breaking the social contract beyond recognition.
I am not a man of infinite means and I was told that my job for the opportunity to go as far as I can is to begrudge no person their fairly won gains and that society as a result will not begrudge me mine.
Work hard, be honest, and sooner or later you will find your way.
BWaaahahahaha
now look around and tell me that is what we see, and for the real kicker that that is what barky and friends are trying to render.
Nah we're now in some weird Malthusian nation that thinks if I eat a grape it was stole from another person.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 10, 2012 04:56 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: aloe veransoirdex at December 10, 2012 04:56 AM (uFY4s)
There's that, too.
There's only one plan on the table, with a reasonable chance of success, which includes spending cuts, too- the Fiscal Cliff. And since we know that what we have is a spending problem, not a "revenue" problem, then that's the plan it is practical to support.
Our pragmatism brigade ought to be all over that one.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 04:57 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: aloe veransoirdex at December 10, 2012 04:58 AM (uFY4s)
Well, sort of. When you have a bunch of family over for the holidays, or whatever, and you need an extra table anyway, it makes sense to put the kids all together. Thus "the kids' table."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 04:59 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: MikeJ at December 10, 2012 05:00 AM (Us4M2)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 05:00 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: alexsockonnosseguy at December 10, 2012 05:01 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: William Jennings Bryan at December 10, 2012 05:01 AM (cyrh6)
Posted by: alexsockonnosseguy at December 10, 2012 05:02 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 05:02 AM (a0nis)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 10, 2012 07:22 AM (zF6Iw)
LB Mayer sounds like a Democrat
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2012 05:04 AM (1Jaio)
Wonder what The View gals will think of a pacifist Mormon going to a prizefight.
Posted by: comatus at December 10, 2012 05:05 AM (qaVK+)
Posted by: alexsockonnosseguy at December 10, 2012 05:06 AM (uFY4s)
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Same here. But in upstate SC, it's reeeeeaaalllly rare. Two years ago, we had a snow on Christmas day. It was glorious. But I was told it was the first time this area had a Christmas snow since 1963. We've been unusually balmy this December. Today is a high of 72. As an Ohio girl, I don't like it. Nosiree.
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 10, 2012 05:06 AM (lTVJy)
Posted by: cajun carrot at December 10, 2012 05:06 AM (UZQM8)
Tax the shit out of the rich. Not only will it not solve anything but make things worse. And when that happens.....errr...most people will be utterly ignorant to what is going on and believe the MFM propaganda....let me rethink that...
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2012 05:06 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: zippy at December 10, 2012 05:06 AM (n422X)
Posted by: alexsockonnosseguy at December 10, 2012 05:08 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: alexsockonnosseguy at December 10, 2012 05:09 AM (uFY4s)
What is the alternative? Let everything expire? We're eventually going to give in our middle class tax cuts. That, too, is certain. Why? Because we like tax cuts. We would prefer them for everyone, but we'll take them for the middle class alone. If we do it before they expire, there's still some room for PR to work. If we do it after, we're "holding hostage the middle class for our banker and billionaire buddies."
Forget the PR war. Republicans won't win it anyway. They could have the RP version of a Royal Straight, and they'd still manage to lose to Democrat's Jack High.
But we have to ask- are "we" aiming for political advantage, or trying to do something actually to help? If we're just aiming for political advantage, then you're right- let's help the Democrats.
If we're trying to do something that might help, then what has to be cut is spending. We have a spending problem, not a "revenue" problem. But if we manage to maintain the Bush tax rates, even all of them, but certainly if it's just the "middle class" (which is as much class-warfare rhetoric as "the rich"), we ALSO stop the automatic cuts.
The only plan on the table which includes cuts is the Fiscal Cliff. Thus, avoiding the Fiscal Cliff- by any of the plans currently on the table- is actually worse than going all Thelma and Louise.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 05:09 AM (5DR1j)
Maybe conservatives should form their own party. Hear me out though. I realize that a conservative party and a GOP would both be in the minority to the Dems. But together, they could still be in the majority. However, since conservatives appear to be the minority within the GOP, if the GOP wants to retain power, then conservative party members can caucus with the GOP, but in return, get back seats on committee, leadership positions, etc.
Another alternative is for conservatives to not vote for Boehner for speaker. If he doesn't get enough votes, he's no longer speaker. We need to clean the GOPs Congressional leadership ranks from Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy, etc. Need someone with some intestinal fortitude who will actually make a stand.
Posted by: Jon in TX at December 10, 2012 05:12 AM (PKRPm)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2012 05:14 AM (1Jaio)
>>That much of a temperature change always feels colder to me because I haven't had a chance to acclimate.
Yep. At least this time, where I am, the humidity didn't drop from 75% to 30% overnight. That was painful to my sinuses.
42 degrees and 65% humidity...could be worse.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 10, 2012 05:14 AM (SUKHu)
They ran him three times, you know. And yet in the end, he kind of won. And the Monkey Trial was Dem vs Dem, by the way.
Posted by: comatus at December 10, 2012 05:17 AM (qaVK+)
Some analysis
2012 Budget: 3.9 Trillion
2012 Taxes: 2.5 Trillion
2012 deficit: 1.4 Trillion
Taxes need to rise 36% on all brackets to cover deficit.
The top two tax brackets would need to rise 90% the other brackets could be left unchanged.
The 33% would become 62% and the 35% would become the 67% tax brackets.
A person making $178,650 would see their tax burden rise from $58,954 to $110,763 his after tax income would fall from $117,696 to $67,887 and that is before the states get through with him.
A person making $388,350 would see their tax burden rise from $135,992 to $260,328 his after tax income would fall from $252,358 to $128,022 and that is before the states get through with him.
You would still not have a surplus. You would just break even.
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Federal Debt: 16 Trillion
If taxes are raised 45% on all brackets to 4.6 Trillion you would have a surplus of 700 billion
The top two tax brackets would need to rise 125% the other brackets could be left unchanged.
The 33% would become 74% and the 35% would become the 79% tax brackets.
A person making $178,650 would see their tax burden rise from $58,954 to $132,201his after tax income would fall from $117,696 to $46,449 and that is before the states get through with him.
A person making $388,350 would see their tax burden rise from $135,992 to $306,954 his after tax income would fall from $252,358 to $81,396 and that is before the states get through with him.
It would take 23 years to pay off the debt.
You would have also enslaved and destroyed the productive class.
This is not really hard to explain or make anyone understand.
Our leaders are not leaders they merely look for political advantage.
Remember the fiscal cliff was Boehners grand bargain because he did not want to fight the debt ceiling battle. He mad the calculus that Obama would lose the election, he calculated wrong. Now he does not want to fight or argue principles over the fiscal cliff, he is going to make another grand bargain whereby he loses now to win later.
WE HAVE SEEN THIS ONE BEFORE!
Posted by: General Woundwort at December 10, 2012 05:19 AM (RrD4h)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2012 09:04 AM (1Jaio)
You'd think so, but no. He was a big Republican; even wanted to be part of the delegation to nominate Hoover in 1928, but didn't get to. He was just your typical sleazy, power-hungry Hollywood producer.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 10, 2012 05:26 AM (zF6Iw)
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