March 26, 2012

Top Headline Comments 3-26-12
— Gabriel Malor

Happy Monday.

It'll be a busy day at the Supreme Court. There will be orders this morning, as well as decisions in at least one case. After that, the high court will have its first day's argument (of three) on Obamacare. Today's 90-minute argument will focus on the question of whether the individual mandate penalty is a tax or not. If it's a tax, the Obamacare lawsuits are untimely and will have to be dismissed until after the penalty has actually been enforced against an individual.

President Obama, speaking with Russian President Medvedev, was caught on an open mic asking for "space" on the issue of missile defense. Obama says he'll have more "flexibility" after the election. Flexibility to stab our allies and the defense industry in the back? Flexibility to stop pretending to be interested in national defense?

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1 Good Morning Morons.  Today is Monday, March 26th, 2012. On this day in 1830 The Book Of Mormon was first published in Palmyra, New York.  In 1831 young men in dark pants and white shirts with ties began circulating through suburban neighborhoods causing people to hide in the backs of their houses for hours.

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 02:54 AM (YdQQY)

2 Chucky Cheese Dk (C-NY) and Dickhd Bloomingidiot (C-CT) want the corrupt DOJ and Eric Holdum Fast to "investigate" employers asking people for their facebook passwords.  One wonder what planet these two idiots live on.  Employers have been asking potential hires for their permission to do financial and background checks for decades.  What is sacred about a damn facebook page?  And what is it with all these talking heads talking about questions you can't ask potential hires.  That also is bullshit.  If I am hiring someone, particularly if he or she is going to be working with the public I would like to know if he is running a website like Stormfront.  Not only do I not want to work around assholes like that but they might give my company a bad name.

http://is.gd/bxrHiT

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 02:54 AM (YdQQY)

3 Joke of the week. House Democommies introduce their budget in a blantantly partisan political gesture.  Their budget included mostly a lot of rhetoric but also $2.4T in new bullshit spending along with new taxes (and not said) cranking up the printing presses because the new budget would be greater than the GDP.  But the MFM (like The Hill) will trot it out like it was serious business and the Republicans are not cooperating by laying down in the aisle and dieing.

http://is.gd/4i8ZGD

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 02:54 AM (YdQQY)

4 NYC is using taxpayer money to fund a group that teaches homeless people how to break into homes and private property.  IOW commit felonies.  Where is Cheesedk Schumer asking for an investigation here?

http://is.gd/nPM1OL

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 02:55 AM (YdQQY)

5 Honey Badger don't give a shit in the UK.  Digging up people's houses causing walls and lawns to collapse in huge holes.   You gonna argue property rights thing Honey Badger? I don't think so.  Especially since the UK has made them "protected" species so you can't do much of a damn thing about it.   Hey Brits, remember the three S's.   Oh that's right, you don't have any guns.  I would not advise attacking Honey Badger with a stick.

http://is.gd/Dh3WAz

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 02:55 AM (YdQQY)

6 One of the key arguments to be made on the Obamacare law at SCOTUS is whether or not the Supreme Court can rule on the law until 2014 when the rest of the law doing shit goes into effect.  Personally I think that question is BS since the damn law is already in effect for collecting taxes and mandating other issues like Church Groups paying for birth control and abortions.   But the 4th circuit stuck that little bit of overreach in there.   It will give a little insight into which way Kennedy is leaning.

http://is.gd/bm1lHO

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 02:55 AM (YdQQY)

7 Good God what some propaganda from the Washington Post.  Get a load of this headline:

Captivity could help polar bears survive global warming assault, some zoos say

Yes "some Zoos say".  The only Zoo mentioned in the Saint Louis Zoo and they don't say if they called for it or not.  And the BS headline calls for Global Warming as if it is an established fact beyond question even though it has already been PROVEN to be a fraudulent scam. The Warmie SOBs will not give up.  They just continue to print lies non-stop.  Note also the stupid story below this one with title "Can Zoos Save Polar Bears From Extinction"?   The damn bears are thriving you lying suckers of cock.

http://is.gd/BYa0u0

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 02:56 AM (YdQQY)

8 Washington Examiner looks at implications of the possible Supreme Court rulings on the illegal Obamacare law.

http://is.gd/DpZ2a3

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 02:56 AM (YdQQY)

9 WOW, it finally happened the EEOC wing of the incompetent and racially partisan DOJ finally got slapped down HARD as they deserve. They had brought an action against a hospital for development disabled patients ran by the State of AR.  Even the patients disagreed with the DOJ!  The judge dismissed the case WITH prejudice.  That means a couple of things. First the State of AR can recover costs of the court action from us the taxpayer who already is funding this DOJ and second this ruling goes into the record of the government lawyers involved. If I am not mistaken two such rulings will result in an action to determine if the lawyer should be disbarred. You almost NEVER see that kind of a ruling at the federal level (also pretty rare at local level).  Holder and company are reaching new heights in their zeal to be all-controlling assholes.

http://is.gd/zOgSMU

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 02:57 AM (YdQQY)

10 Heritage looks at 17 new taxes in Obamacare.

http://is.gd/7dX4aJ

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 02:57 AM (YdQQY)

11 Another hidden outrage comes to light.  Federal Agency well on the way to loan cronies of Harry Reid $4.9B dollars for a train from the middle of the desert near Victorville, CA to Las Vegas.  The odds of this train succeeding are just about zero but it appears the Obamanites are going to go forward with it. 

And what is a real pisser is that they will funnel the money through a regulatory agency using the power of executive fiat despite the requirement in the Constitution that no money be spent that has not been appropriated by Congress.   The other shocker is that this liberal magazine printed this story.

http://is.gd/aU1QUG

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 02:58 AM (YdQQY)

12 In 2011, the U.S. Department of Labor reported unemployment among veterans between the ages of 18 and 24 averaged 30 percent - more than double the unemployment rate among non-veterans of the same age.

http://t.co/iDngbj0M



(Did someone just admit 15% unemployment among #Gen44?)

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 02:59 AM (hO8IJ)

13 That's it for news this morning. For a Monday lots of stuff out there.

I will be leaving in a couple of hours to go to The City for some Dr shit for wifey. Will be a short day for me today. 

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 02:59 AM (YdQQY)

14 I see Gabe caught the open mike story on Obama asking Putin to not press him on missile defense until after the election.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 26, 2012 03:00 AM (GoIUi)

15 Please Mr. Putin, can I have some porridge? This man is not only a traitor, an asshole, a dumbass, and a commie, but he is a national embarrassment.

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 03:02 AM (YdQQY)

16 Some scrunt on NPR news is saying no one has been "injured" by Obamacare yet.

Tell that to the millions who lost their policies.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 03:03 AM (hO8IJ)

17 I predict the SC decision on Obamacare will be 5-4. 

Posted by: Case at March 26, 2012 03:04 AM (GxTMf)

18 (Did someone just admit 15% unemployment among #Gen44?)

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 06:59 AM (hO8IJ)

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Just think what the real numbers are.

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 03:04 AM (YdQQY)

19 #16  This is why we have to unite and vote him out.  He is a traitor and a weakling.

Putin laughs at him and continues his plans.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 26, 2012 03:04 AM (GoIUi)

20

If it's a tax, the Obamacare lawsuits are untimely and will have to be dismissed until after the penalty has actually been enforced against an individual.


It is this kind of stupid logic that is going to kill us all.  If the mandate is (and it is) unconstitutional, then the need to *wait* is only a fool's game.

Posted by: dogfish at March 26, 2012 03:07 AM (N2yhW)

21 5 Honey Badger don't give a shit in the UK. Digging up people's houses causing walls and lawns to collapse in huge holes. You gonna argue property rights thing Honey Badger? I don't think so. Especially since the UK has made them "protected" species so you can't do much of a damn thing about it. Hey Brits, remember the three S's. Oh that's right, you don't have any guns. I would not advise attacking Honey Badger with a stick.

http://is.gd/Dh3WAz





What if we were to make a pointy stick out of metal?!?

Posted by: Monty Python at March 26, 2012 03:08 AM (udEUT)

22 Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 07:04 AM (YdQQY)

One of the axioms of economics is that when you subsidize something you get more of it.

Obama and his cronies have clearly subsidized unemployment, so....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 26, 2012 03:08 AM (nEUpB)

23

I woke up thankful this morning, and just want say, "Thanks 52% for today".  Jackasses.

Posted by: dogfish at March 26, 2012 03:13 AM (N2yhW)

24 Obama and his cronies have clearly subsidized unemployment, so....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 26, 2012 07:08 AM (nEUpB)

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Looks like he mainly subsidizes his cronies. So I suppose we will get more cronies.

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 03:16 AM (YdQQY)

25 2 Chucky Cheese Dk (C-NY) and Dickhd Bloomingidiot (C-CT) want the corrupt DOJ and Eric Holdum Fast to "investigate" employers asking people for their facebook passwords. One wonder what planet these two idiots live on. Employers have been asking potential hires for their permission to do financial and background checks for decades. What is sacred about a damn facebook page? Well yeah, but I think quite a few people use the same password for multiple accounts, so giving it up could get dicey. Not to mention mucho personal info could be seen: since when do employers get to read your personal mail? The other consideration is, if your boss is named Mr. Blinko and your password is "I_doinked_Mrs_Blinko_in_the_squeakhole," that TOO could get messy.

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 26, 2012 03:21 AM (niZvt)

26 In a different world, one where a majority of Americans took this stuff seriously, the "open mic" scandal would be enough to sink this traitor once and for all. How do you promise the Russians a better deal after the election, when you won't have to answer to the American people any longer, and not be considered a traitor to your country? Are Republicans working up the ad now? Shouldn't this be splashed on every tv screen, in every state, every day between now and November 6?

Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2012 03:22 AM (Gc/Qi)

27 Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 07:16 AM (YdQQY)

Thanks for that happy thought.

Is it too early to drink?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 26, 2012 03:22 AM (nEUpB)

28 What if we were to make a pointy stick out of metal?!?

Posted by: Monty Python at March 26, 2012 07:08 AM (udEUT)

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Sorry Monty, pointy sticks and knives are also illegal in the UK, unless you are a Muzzie.

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 03:22 AM (YdQQY)

29 It is this kind of stupid logic that is going to kill us all. If the mandate is (and it is) unconstitutional, then the need to *wait* is only a fool's game. Posted by: dogfish
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No.  Here's the thing.. If it is ruled to be a tax, then it is legal and Constitutional, because does in fact have the power to levy taxes.  This is the lynchpin of the Dems case.

But it isn't a tax.  It's a penalty for not buying something. 

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 26, 2012 03:22 AM (UTq/I)

30 Oh oh, Tom "White Man's Overbite" Brokaw on MSNBC, back to say more self-loathing slurs against his own race.

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 26, 2012 03:24 AM (niZvt)

31 Well yeah, but I think quite a few people use the same password for multiple accounts, so giving it up could get dicey. Not to mention mucho personal info could be seen: since when do employers get to read your personal mail?
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So it should be blocked because some people are stupid?  As for the "personal info" they are already doing that.  This is NOT new and you are volunteering for it.

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 03:24 AM (YdQQY)

32 Word games Jerry; that is my point.

Posted by: dogfish at March 26, 2012 03:24 AM (N2yhW)

33 27 In a different world, one where a majority of Americans took this stuff seriously, the "open mic" scandal would be enough to sink this traitor once and for all. How do you promise the Russians a better deal after the election, when you won't have to answer to the American people any longer, and not be considered a traitor to your country? Are Republicans working up the ad now? Shouldn't this be splashed on every tv screen, in every state, every day between now and November 6? Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2012 07:22 AM (Gc/Qi) It's not like he said "Eatch-a-Sketch," after all...

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 26, 2012 03:26 AM (niZvt)

34 The "tax" angle is just something to give the commie justices (and they are hoping Kennedy) a fig leaf for an outrageously bad ruling.

Personally I would think it would be hard to argue tax angle when they repeatedly said the mandate and associated fines were NOT a tax during congressional sessions.

A good justice on the bench would make them look like idiots on that score.

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 03:28 AM (YdQQY)

35 To his credit, I think Brokaw just told Mika she's dumber than a shoe box. Not bad, though I think "dumber than a lady box" would be more accurate, IYKWIM.

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 26, 2012 03:28 AM (niZvt)

36 I just saw the mike incident on CBS news.  White House says it means "nothing will get done before the election."  So that's the end of the story,  I guess,  even though you know that is NOT what Obama was talking about.

They also covered Santorum's confrontation with the NYT reporter.  Interestingly,  the NYT story about Santorum did not mention the confrontation,  although same reporter was on CBS to talk about it.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 26, 2012 03:29 AM (GoIUi)

37 Are Republicans working up the ad now? Shouldn't this be splashed on every tv screen, in every state, every day between now and November 6? Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2012 07:22 AM

Now that's funny, right there.

The "Republicans" are too busy pissing on each other and shooting off their damn mouths about issues over which they should have no control to pay any attention to, you know, real stuff.

Over the past three-plus years, I've wondered if so-called "conservatives" signed an agreement to give President Historic First© a free pass on his America-hating actions. Any "normal" president would have had his ass impeached long ago. But reactions to Osama Obama appear to be governed by a law that mandates placing the "Poppin' Fresh" disclaimer ("In fairness...") in front of any criticism.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 26, 2012 03:30 AM (MQc8e)

38 The lying shitweasel in chief wants the Norks to get rid of their nukes, just like we are according to his plans. He'd like to see us with no more than 200 - 300 nukes, about the load of one Russian boomer packed with 16 MIRVed missiles.
 
I wonder how many tries it took to get that binocular photo shoot just right. No Mr. President, the big end points away from you. Yes Mr. President, binoculars are much more difficult to operate than an umbrella. No Mr. President, we don't have a pair with rose colored glasses.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 26, 2012 03:31 AM (ccXZP)

39 Posted by: MrScribbler at March 26, 2012 07:30 AM (MQc8e)
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Its blackdemocratium.  Republicans are terrified of it.  He and the CBC will play the nuclear option race card and they will all collectively fill their drawers. 

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 03:32 AM (YdQQY)

40 32 Well yeah, but I think quite a few people use the same password for multiple accounts, so giving it up could get dicey. Not to mention mucho personal info could be seen: since when do employers get to read your personal mail? ------------------------ So it should be blocked because some people are stupid? As for the "personal info" they are already doing that. This is NOT new and you are volunteering for it. Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 07:24 AM (YdQQY) Well, 1. I do not have a facebook account precisely for these reasons, and don't really understand the psychological need people have to let it all hang out for thousands of stragers to see, and, 2. Again, we are not Serfs. I get paid to work, NOT to give up my personal passwords and let strangers read my mail.

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 26, 2012 03:32 AM (niZvt)

41 Facebook is not e-mail. Anyone who uses it for such is stupid. The people who run face book already give out all your personal info to anyone with a nickle and a cup of Starbucks shit coffee.

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 03:34 AM (YdQQY)

42 And if you don't agree to give them access then they will not get it.  You may not get the job either, but there you go.

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 03:35 AM (YdQQY)

43 >>American High School Students Are Reading Books At 5th-Grade-Appropriate Levels

http://t.co/xsXupOGC

I'm shocked they read books at all.



>>Employers have been asking potential hires for their permission to do financial and background checks for decades. What is sacred about a damn facebook page?

They're not asking for permission to view postings.  They're asking for access they could use to post as the user and other mischief.

The last three "background checks" I had done by employers were solely about work experience and education over the past two decades--they weren't asking to know who I slept with in college or where I went on vacation in 2005.  If the job doesn't require a clearance, that stuff's none of their fucking business.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 03:35 AM (hO8IJ)

44 >>and don't really understand the psychological need people have to let it all hang out for thousands of stragers to see

You don't understand  how the tool works, either.

Meanwhile, millions of strangers can read everything posted on this here smart military blog.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 03:37 AM (hO8IJ)

45
The last three "background checks" I had done by employers were solely about work experience and education over the past two decades--they weren't asking to know who I slept with in college or where I went on vacation in 2005.
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Do you put that kind of shit on your face book page?

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 03:37 AM (YdQQY)

46 42 Facebook is not e-mail. Anyone who uses it for such is stupid. The people who run face book already give out all your personal info to anyone with a nickle and a cup of Starbucks shit coffee. Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 07:34 AM (YdQQY) Then what precisely do they need your password for? What info can they get, that isn't publicly visible?

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 26, 2012 03:37 AM (niZvt)

47 Ah, the French and their perfumes... "stunt"/Sarkozy, the little man complex full of dirty tricks. Do hide the stench...

"Mr Sarkozy scents a breakthrough –

"Hollande hits back at Sarkozy on security"
By Hugh Carnegie in Bastia, Corisca 25 Mar '12, FT.com


Posted by: maverick muse at March 26, 2012 03:38 AM (lpWVn)

48 >>Do you put that kind of shit on your face book page?

Vacation photos?  Fuck yeah.  That's whole point. You close-minded geezers never showed vacation photos your friends and neighbors?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 03:39 AM (hO8IJ)

49 Question: What kind of moron puts sh-t on Facebook that he would be embarrassed about if someone else read it? That seems pretty effing stoopid.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 26, 2012 03:41 AM (gPDxp)

50 That's the other big question.  What are the employers actually asking for. The initially report said "credentials" which may have been nothing other than the name you post under. Somehow that morphed into "passwords".

What do we actually know. Next time I talk to my little brother I'll ask him if they ask for Facebook passwords as he does all the initial interviews for new-hires.

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 03:42 AM (YdQQY)

51 45 >>and don't really understand the psychological need people have to let it all hang out for thousands of stragers to see You don't understand how the tool works, either. Meanwhile, millions of strangers can read everything posted on this here smart military blog. Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 07:37 AM (hO8IJ) Yeah, but whatever they see is a) what I want seen, and b) there is a degree of anonimity. What if Ace's employer demanded his pw to the HQ... And could then see precisely who all we are, the dates and times we post, etc? I wouldn't trust a federal bureaucrat with my passwords; why should I be required to hand them over to some (possibly pervy) private corporate hack? Just another kind of bureaucrat.

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 26, 2012 03:42 AM (niZvt)

52 Vacation photos? Fuck yeah. That's whole point. You close-minded geezers never showed vacation photos your friends and neighbors?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 07:39 AM (hO8IJ)

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I wasn't talking about vacation photos.  BTW I have seen yours on Flickr.  I was talking about the other.

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 03:43 AM (YdQQY)

53 What if Ace's employer demanded his pw to the HQ... And could then see precisely who all we are, the dates and times we post, etc?
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Ace is his own employer and anyone can already read when we post and the name we post under. As for telling "who" we are even ace can not determine that.


Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 03:46 AM (YdQQY)

54 I wouldn't trust a federal bureaucrat with my passwords; why should I be required to hand them over to some (possibly pervy) private corporate hack?
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You don't have to trust them.  They already can get anyone's stuff off the internet they want without even telling you they are getting it.

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 03:47 AM (YdQQY)

55 >>Yeah, but whatever they see is a) what I want seen,

Again, you don't understand the tool you're criticizing.  Users can designate which people can and can't see each thing they post. The people I work with, for example, can't see any political links I post, and known AoSHQ morons can't see work stuff.   "Friends of friends" can't see anything about me except my name and schools...and comments I make on mutual friend's links.

People too lazy to set this up deserve whatever they get, but that's not the tool's fault.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 03:47 AM (hO8IJ)

56 @27 A competent and engaged opposition party could take the open mic audio and combine that with the fact that Obama wants to secretly give away resource rich land to the Russians, land we paid them for. This guy is a fucking asshole. I feel that the GOP/establishment is far worse than this clown.

Posted by: McLovin at March 26, 2012 03:49 AM (j0IcY)

57 Say you set you FB settings so only friends and family can view your political views. Then tell me that a potential employer having access to this non-public info might make a non-spoken decision to not hire you based upon that. But I don't think we need another law to cover for people's stupidity.
 
The US military tried and failed to scrub the Afghan shooter's FB postings. It's out there forever folks.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 26, 2012 03:49 AM (ccXZP)

58 Gotta go for a few minutes bbl.

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 03:50 AM (YdQQY)

59

Re the Facebook stuff, The government wants us to think it's about race/age/sex, but that's not it at all.  They're looking to see if you're a loon or reprobate.    Hard to get that from interviews sometimes, but it's amazing what people will post about themselves publicly.  I don't blame employers for trying to use that resource. 

Personally I don't do Facebook or anything like that, largely because I don't want contact from people from my past.  But also, I have some strong opinions and they would surely come out.  Showing almost any strong opinion, right or left, will convince many employers that you're not worth the risk.  It need not be stormfront-like in intensity, either.  HR departments are uncomfortable with anything other than an utterly bland human being with a set of useful work skills and no opinions on anything.

I think what's probably best is to make an utterly inoffensive social network site for yourself, with nothing but fluff, and us it as a decoy.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 26, 2012 03:50 AM (xUM1Q)

60 You don't have to trust them. They already can get anyone's stuff off the internet they want without even telling you they are getting it. Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 07:47 AM (YdQQY) Well, that is disturbing, first of all. And if it's true, why are they demanding it from people, then? Really, I don't see what is "conservative" about being so down with employer monitoring of our private lives. None of their damned business, IMO.

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 26, 2012 03:51 AM (niZvt)

61 60 Re the Facebook stuff,The government wants us to think it's about race/age/sex, but that's not it at all. They're looking to see if you're a loon or reprobate. Hard to get that from interviews sometimes, but it's amazing what people will post about themselves publicly. I don't blame employers for trying to use that resource. Quite honestly, we have the right to be loons and reprobates until it either breaks the law or interferes with our job. Odds are you won't post anything incriminating. But something personal and sensitive you only want family and friends to see? Could be.

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 26, 2012 03:54 AM (niZvt)

62 It is rather embarrassing that a Google search under my name will turn up a short story about masturbation that I wrote as a college creative writing assignment and I have no effing idea how it ended up on the internets.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 26, 2012 03:54 AM (gPDxp)

63 G'morning, morons. Let's hope our lawyers are at their most convincing, persuasive best this week. Stakes are huge.

Posted by: RM at March 26, 2012 03:57 AM (TRsME)

64 Senator Mike Lee and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy will endorse Mitt Romney http://tinyurl.com/7dakgfp http://tinyurl.com/7m8gdsc

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at March 26, 2012 03:57 AM (d6QMz)

65 Think back 30-40 years and ask yourself would we have been okay with an employer wanting to tap our home phone first as a condition of employment.  Hell no we wouldn't have; we would have been shocked by it.  Employers should not be given the keys to any of your online stuff that is locked down by me or anyone else. 

Posted by: dogfish at March 26, 2012 03:58 AM (N2yhW)

66 63 It is rather embarrassing that a Google search under my name will turn up a short story about masturbation that I wrote as a college creative writing assignment and I have no effing idea how it ended up on the internets. Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 26, 2012 07:54 AM (gPDxp) On the bright side, the illustrative photo of youself was impressive, in a non-gay way, IYKWIM.

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 26, 2012 03:58 AM (niZvt)

67 -->As for telling "who" we are even ace can not determine that"

I've read numerous articles about blogs "outing" bloggers, by name.
Isn't it possible for Ace / blog owners to determine identity by Ip addresses?
(I'm pretty much illiterate when it comes to the internet, so asking in all seriousness)

Posted by: Carolyn at March 26, 2012 03:59 AM (CQId4)

68 Quite honestly, we have the right to be loons and reprobates until it either breaks the law or interferes with our job.

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 26, 2012 07:54 AM (niZvt)

 

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I don't disagree with you at all - but I know how these people think.  HR types are always scouting for disqualifiers.  Heck - my not using FB might itself be a disqualifier with some companies - "behind the times" or some such B.S. 

I just figure we don't need laws to govern the particular level of snooping.  Just fool the prospective employer with a dummy site.  That said, if they banned employers from using social networking I wouldn't march on Washington over it.  They'd just have to do like in the old days.  You know - Google people.   

Posted by: Reactionary at March 26, 2012 03:59 AM (xUM1Q)

69

@63  ..."I have no effing idea how it ended up on the internets."

Sounds like you have a fan!

Posted by: Case at March 26, 2012 03:59 AM (GxTMf)

70 @64 A 1st year law student could present a compelling case against Obamacare. It doesn't matter, all that matters is if Kennedy is mad at Scalia this week.

Posted by: McLovin at March 26, 2012 04:00 AM (j0IcY)

71 Remind me again, who is going to take the fight to Obama, mighty Mittens,

Posted by: Cthluthu at March 26, 2012 04:00 AM (WKqtd)

72 "None of their damned business, IMO."

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 26, 2012 07:51 AM (niZvt)

Why is this complicated?

One of our many problems in this country is the loss of any sense that telling the government to fuck off is a good thing. I would extend that to any corporate drone who wants private information.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 26, 2012 04:01 AM (nEUpB)

73

Had a lib friend get fired over facebook last friday. She's not the most reliable, having missed 3 days in 2 weeks. But the owner  of the business  (shitty diner) told her one strike against her was that she was facebook friends with someone he doesn't like.

After letting her go on a while about how she would sue him for the FB remark I had to break the news to her that he can fire her for any or no reason as long as its not one of the few illegal reasons. (race, creed, age, etc...)

Posted by: Jimmah at March 26, 2012 04:04 AM (UpwlP)

74

Posted by: Jimmah at March 26, 2012 08:04 AM (UpwlP)

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Wow.  Yet another excellent anecdote illustrating the folly of making private life public.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 26, 2012 04:05 AM (xUM1Q)

75 Any "normal" president would have had his ass impeached long ago.
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Even the current impeachment threat (War Powers) gives Obama a mulligan for having already stripped Congress of duties and the "outmoded" US Constitution of relevance. The warning is good, better late than never. But the impeachment should have already begun. Tank Obama's 1st administration with his own unconstitutional record.  The business of kicking the can down the road, allowing Obama's re-election campaign to flow unaccountably, is illogical, irresponsible and stuck on stupid.

How many more unprecedented unconstitutional usurpation of power and abusive authority will voters dismiss as if not happening? In perpetuity. Too many "conservative" people have drugged themselves on prescriptions mixed with alcohol, stunting the ability to exercise clear logic, emphasizing the irrational. So very few with constitutional authority exercise their duties with integrity. Congress is renowned for corruption. Members of Congress reputation used to be tainted with dereliction of duty; having become rampant with excessive and gross usurpation of power. It used to be that not financially contributing to a campaign left you without any clout when you complained. Getting tossed under Obama's bus is becoming the least of a voter's fears. Data mining is not a limited enterprise. Our own local representational Members of Congress collect enemy lists of their own, working in concert with data for sale to retain office, selectively punitive towards any opposition. It's primary season, and local ballots matter.

You'd have to be deaf and blind to misconstrue the hypocrisy of "conservatives" whining for constitutional governance while scapegoating constitutional integrity as looney, radical, stupid, weak, foolish, insane and unpatriotic.

If a candidate will not campaign on the Platform of Liberty, support one who will.

Posted by: maverick muse at March 26, 2012 04:06 AM (lpWVn)

76 I have always maintained that it is best to have a Facebook page that is dedicated to promoting you and friends singing your praises with tales of your heroics.

Posted by: Beto at March 26, 2012 04:07 AM (j5CHE)

77 >>I wasn't talking about vacation photos. BTW I have seen yours on Flickr. I was talking about the other.

I'm a hideously-ugly middle-aged spinster. All I have is vacation photos.

>>They're looking to see if you're a loon or reprobate.

Yeah; if you can see my full profile, you can see I "like" Paul Ryan and Scott Walker and Mike Pence.  I'm not ashamed of this but given that proggs are so welcoming of diversity of thought it's best if strangers who may potentially employ me don't see it (this is a problem with proggs, not the tool).

Password access isn't profile access though; if you have my password, you can "unlike" Mike Pence and "like"...whoever his Democrat challenger is (I have no idea, which is fine because I'm confident he's the best choice on the ballot come November), and fuck up my news-reading feed. 

Anyone who wants that sort of access to my life, I don't want to work for anyway, but I'm not a newbie so I can be a little more picky than #Gen44.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 04:09 AM (hO8IJ)

78 A local homeless man was arrested this weekend for downloading child porn, using his laptop and a wifi hotspot. I can think of a couple of instances here at the HQ where posters were tracked down within hours after making posts about harming themselves.
 
The internet is not as anonymous as you might think.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 26, 2012 04:10 AM (ccXZP)

79 @76 The recess appointment incident was an eye opener for me. The GOP is for all intents and purposes dead. They are less than useless. We need another party!

Posted by: McLovin at March 26, 2012 04:10 AM (j0IcY)

80 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 04:10 AM (8y9MW)

81

It's not government or employer intrusion that turned me off Facebook.  It's Fuckerberg's stated goal of destroying internet anonymity.  You're not customers, you're the product. And information is valuable.  I just signed a contract at work to spend $30,000 updating addresses and phone numbers for our existing customer database. 

 

Facebook's absurd valuation isn't based on cash, advertising revenue, property or FF&E, it's based on the enormous database they've compiled.  Same with Google.

 

 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 26, 2012 04:12 AM (JDIKC)

82 Posted by: McLovin at March 26, 2012 08:10 AM (j0IcY)


When the recess appointment was made, I got upset and wrote my Senator, here is his reply on the 29th of February.


http://tinyurl.com/7tpuf6q

Posted by: Samuel Adams at March 26, 2012 04:14 AM (5KvzL)

83 As I said, the government can get anything they want from any internet account. The poepple who operate Facebook, and all other social media types, already sell your personal information.  And last of all. you are not required to tell an interview person anything (unlike the government).

And last of all we do not "know" they are asking for actual passwords.  All we have us vague MFM reports about some companies (unnamed) asking for it after an even more vague initial report of "credentials".

And here is the bottom line, if you do not want people to know something, NEVER post it on the damn internet.

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 04:15 AM (YdQQY)

84 Sorry about that, can't seem to tinyurl from my inbox.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at March 26, 2012 04:15 AM (5KvzL)

85 Gabe, could you dump #83?

Posted by: Samuel Adams at March 26, 2012 04:18 AM (5KvzL)

86 but it's amazing what people will post about themselves publicly. I don't blame employers for trying to use that resource.

If it were the stuff posted "publicly" they wouldn't need your password.  If that was all it were, they would just need your facebook page.  There is no legitimate reason for them to have access to your passwords for anything.  The two caveats I might consider there are a) if the position would require security clearance or b) if you'll be doing PR for them.  In both cases, I can understand why an employer would want to know if you were trustworthy to the tune of not sharing sensitive information with your friends or family (the kinds of people who might have access to your private pages).

Even then, I still don't see a need for the password.  If an employer is concerned about that, their HR department should have a Facebook page, and they should request to be given access to view those private pages.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 04:23 AM (8y9MW)

87 #78  HeatherRadish,  don't get complacent about the gubernatorial race.  My husband and I worked with the dem candidate,  John Gregg,  20 years ago.  He's a southern Indiana good old boy,  very charming and down to earth,  and was the former Speaker of the Indiana House.

He will be a formidable opponent,  and Pence is often slightly pompous in his speaking,  which will not be good against Gregg.  Also the dems will use the religion thing against Pence.

I am nervous about this race.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 26, 2012 04:24 AM (GoIUi)

88 I've read numerous articles about blogs "outing" bloggers, by name.
Isn't it possible for Ace / blog owners to determine identity by Ip addresses?


It depends on several factors.  Here on Ace's site it's fairly easy to remain anonymous.  You don't have to use your real name, you don't have to use a real email address (as long as what you put in is formatted like one), and your IP probably (in most cases, anyway) is going to resolve to some company router for your Internet Service Provider (or employer, for those of us who post at work).

Other sites make such anonymity more difficult.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 04:26 AM (8y9MW)

89 As if exposure of publicly presented personal information stops at Facebook.

Consider well, texters. This generation of kids prefer texting to speaking aloud. EVERYTHING they "say" to each other is recorded.

Given voter determination to sabotage constitutional credibility, it would be foolish to presume that our taxpaying worker social status will remain as it is. Employment, equal opportunity or not, is a carrot that authoritarians dangle in order to manipulate the public at large, and individuals case by case.

Too many readers call bullsh!t because that observation hasn't happened to them, yet; or because they don't want to admit the trajectory that Americans are pursuing, knowingly/willingly or not. Stupid is as stupid does, ignoring the obvious along with the inference, because it would be uncomfortable and inconvenient to recognize.

Deserve has nothing to do with Obama not being held accountable for his unconstitutional administration.

Deserve has nothing to do with the denial of privacy.

Common sense establishes boundaries that an individual chooses to personally exercise in order to protect as best as possible one's own privacy, and one's constitutional rights. People are gullible until they choose to no longer presume themselves safe because they abide by rule of law. Our government, employers and people at large ignore rule of law, and hold the upper hand because voters sabotage every candidate who would hold the constitutional line with integrity.

Posted by: maverick muse at March 26, 2012 04:27 AM (lpWVn)

90 In olden days Obama selling out the country publicly would cause a firestorm. Now - not really. Much of America is traitorous, others apathetic, and still others terrified of being called racist.
Whether Obama wins or not in November, the preceding sentence is accurate.
America is split, broken, and there is no common cause.
Reorganization is needed, and looks inevitable.

Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 04:27 AM (BoE3Z)

91

It'll be a busy day at the Supreme Court. There will be orders this morning, as well as decisions in at least one case.

 

Speaking of decisions

 

On this date in 1962 the US Supreme Court gave federal courts the power to order reapportionment of seats in a state legislature, a decision that eventually led to the doctrine of "one man, one vote."

 

Cousin John Marshall Harlan dissented. 

Posted by: Nash Rambler at March 26, 2012 04:34 AM (b6FgX)

92 ". Much of America is traitorous, others apathetic, and still others terrified of being called racist." - Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 08:27 AM (BoE3Z) ------- "Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, — if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government but what may be a blessing to the people, if well administered; and I believe, farther, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other." - Benjamin Franklin - Speech to the Constitutional Convention (1787-06-2

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 26, 2012 04:34 AM (gPDxp)

93 It's been said a million times already but it all boils down to Anthony Kennedy. He voted to strike down McCain-Feingold and then got spat upon by SCOAMF at the State of the Union. He then said that he would not resign until at least 2013. Let's hope he has a Sicilian sense of honor and wakes up feeling conservative this week.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 26, 2012 04:35 AM (Af3Wg)

94 I don't have a problem with employers using Facebook or Google to glean whatever public information they can from an applicant.  But, the issue IS about employers asking for credentials, and yes Vic, in common parlance, the term credentials refers to a login/password pair.  Here are the problems I see:

1.  People use Facebook to communicate privately.  I have a friend from college that I used to go shooting with a lot when we lived close enough.  Now we chat about guns/hunting/fishing, etc.  Would I want a potential employer to see the link to a sweet .50 cal he sent me? Would I want want them seeing the pictures of the AR-15 I built from parts that I sent to my friend? Knowing how populated with hoplophobe moonbats most HR departments are, hell no.  Am I hiding anything illegal or immoral? No, just private.

2. The Facebook TOS prohibits giving your password out. Are you okay with an employer asking you to violate a contract you've agreed to with a third party as a condition of employment?

3. This is a slippery slope to employers asking for email accounts.

4. It is really no different than if they required applicants to allow access to their physical mailbox or allowed them to tap their phone.

That said, I don't think its a Federal issue.  But, I damned sure think states can and should ban it.

Posted by: DanInMN at March 26, 2012 04:37 AM (Qzruh)

95 And one more final thought on the Facebook controversy; does anyone here actually think Chucky Shithead and Richard The Commiehearted is actually going to do anything to actually protect individual liberty?



This whole issue seems like just another "squirrel" to keep the arguments in the media about bull shit insteadof the shitty economy and all of the current lawless administrations activities.


Lets have some for debates.  This time we will let Axelrod act as the moderator and determine what questions to ask.


And a LOT of our Republican bretheren will think its fair and balanced.

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 04:38 AM (YdQQY)

96 93
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 26, 2012 08:34 AM (gPDxp)

Franklin was rather prescient, no? Too bad "Americans" nowadays don't: know who the hell he is - dismiss him because he doesn't have a show, column, or Twitter account - is/was old, dead, white - and uses big words and long sentences.
We reap what we sow. Sucks, but there you go.

Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 04:41 AM (BoE3Z)

97 Whats is the difference between the Democratic Party(now the socialist party) and the Republican Party?
The goal is the same, the only difference is how to reach that goal.

I will vote for who ever the jackass is they run against the O in hopes they slow this train down, but in the end its all DOOM(I miss Monty)
 

Posted by: MarkC at March 26, 2012 04:41 AM (Kf68R)

98 Anybody seen Tantorum's latest "Bullshit!" rant? Oh yeah, Ricky's presidential timber, all right....

Posted by: packsoldier at March 26, 2012 04:42 AM (9tLNI)

99 The only bosses I have are the US Navy and my Wife and they both see my facebook page all the time and I'm still here

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 04:43 AM (i6RpT)

100 Thanks for the info, AllenG.
Yes, Gnubreed, that also crossed my mind, how quickly certain folks ( here) were identified when it was deemed an emergency.


Posted by: Carolyn at March 26, 2012 04:45 AM (CQId4)

101 I don't give a damn who you show yours to nevergiveup.  That doesn't mean everyone else has to.

Posted by: dogfish at March 26, 2012 04:46 AM (N2yhW)

102 The Australian research parallels other, similar findings worldwide showing that human hunting was crucial in large-animal extinctions.

That's from the article in the sidebar about a mass extinction not being linked to climate change.

And it explains why exactly why they published it: it makes mankind the villain.  "See?" it seems to say, "If it weren't for those nasty Humans, we'd still have these great big animals, and everything would be awesome."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 04:46 AM (8y9MW)

103

SEOUL, South Korea — At the tail end of his 90 minute meeting with Russian President Dmitri Medvedev Monday, President Obama said that he would have “more flexibility” to deal with controversial issues such as missile defense, but incoming Russian President Vladimir Putin needs to give him “space.”

The exchange was picked up by microphones as reporters were let into the room for remarks by the two leaders.

The exchange:

President Obama: On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but itÂ’s important for him to give me space.

President Medvedev: Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for youÂ…

President Obama: This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.


In other words he can go full commie on us

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 26, 2012 04:47 AM (1Jaio)

104 I will vote for who ever the jackass is they run against the O in hopes they slow this train down, but in the end its all DOOM(I miss Monty)

Posted by: MarkC at March 26, 2012 08:41 AM (Kf68R)

Exactly.  The only difference between Dems and establishment Repubs is the speed at which we reach the inevitable train wreck.

Posted by: Nash Rambler at March 26, 2012 04:48 AM (b6FgX)

105 99 Anybody seen Tantorum's latest "Bullshit!" rant? Oh yeah, Ricky's presidential timber, all right....

Posted by: packsoldier at March 26, 2012 08:42 AM (9tLNI)

Point taken. On the other hand, I drove through Southern Indiana recently. I saw a small herd of llamas in a field. One of them was dry humping his buddy. I would vote for him in November.

Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 04:49 AM (BoE3Z)

106 This Day By Day cartoon is worth a look.  Link in my sig.

Posted by: Truman North at March 26, 2012 04:49 AM (I2LwF)

107 I don't give a damn who you show yours to nevergiveup. That doesn't mean everyone else has to. Posted by: dogfish at March 26, 2012 08:46 AM (N2yhW) That was not my point. I don't you think you should have to show it to anyone but on the other hand, knowing how vulnerable that information is, I would not put ANYTHING on my facebook page that I wouldn't want the whole world to see.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 04:49 AM (i6RpT)

108 President Obama: This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility. In other words he can go full commie on us Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 26, 2012 08:47 AM (1Jaio) And unless he can explain his statement in another way ( which I doubt he can ) then that is the rational we are gonna have to go with!

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 04:51 AM (i6RpT)

109 Ok sorry for the misinterpretation and the attitude.

Posted by: dogfish at March 26, 2012 04:51 AM (N2yhW)

110 A lot of ya'll are missing the other big point about this shit. You do not have to give an employer or potential employer any damn thing. They are not the government. They can't point a gun at you and say cough it up.

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 04:52 AM (YdQQY)

111 #107 Winna.

Posted by: dogfish at March 26, 2012 04:52 AM (N2yhW)

112 Anyway time to go. be back some time this afternoon.

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2012 04:52 AM (YdQQY)

113 Other than smoking the crack over the dead male prostitute at our last Satanist/Nazi Potluck, there's nothing on my Facebook page I would be reluctant to show an employer. But Zuckerberg sure sends me some interesting ads now.

Posted by: nickless at March 26, 2012 04:53 AM (MMC8r)

114 I hear ya Vic, but the attitude has changed.  You are correct we don't have to and may not be employed because of it, but 30-40 years ago, a reputable business would have been aghast to even ask.  They weren't asking to tap your phone or read your postal mail.

Posted by: dogfish at March 26, 2012 04:54 AM (N2yhW)

115 Ok sorry for the misinterpretation and the attitude. Posted by: dogfish at March 26, 2012 08:51 AM (N2yhW) hey with this commie bastard in the White House we're all on edge, No problem

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 04:55 AM (i6RpT)

116 ty ty dogfish.

Posted by: Truman North at March 26, 2012 04:56 AM (I2LwF)

117 C'mon, man. You know it's just a big pile of bullshit, man. C'mon.  You know better.  Stop doing it.

Posted by: Ranger Rick at March 26, 2012 04:56 AM (/ZZCn)

118 Gotta get to work.  Later all.

Posted by: dogfish at March 26, 2012 04:58 AM (N2yhW)

119 Who would have thought we would ever see a US President promising to sellout the US of A to a puppet Russian President on tape and not one call for his immediate arrest!

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 05:00 AM (i6RpT)

120 AoSHQ: Where "get off my lawn" doesn't go far enough.

Posted by: GergS(Dirty Scandi Dog Whistle) at March 26, 2012 05:00 AM (dptRY)

121 Flexibility to fully join in the Marxist ideology and reinstatement of full-fledged Communism!

Posted by: dfbaskwill at March 26, 2012 05:02 AM (71LDo)

122 Okay, early risers.  The final post in my current blog series is up this morning.  Go check it out.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 05:02 AM (8y9MW)

123 If asking if you are married is off-limits in job interviews, facebook credentials certainly should be as well. It's just about the same as someone getting a key to go inside your house. They'll see everything you didn't mean for strangers to see.

Posted by: GergS(Dirty Scandi Dog Whistle) at March 26, 2012 05:03 AM (dptRY)

124 120 Who would have thought we would ever see a US President promising to sellout the US of A to a puppet Russian President on tape and not one call for his immediate arrest!

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 09:00 AM (i6RpT)

Yeah, funny that. Maybe it's because too many people are too self-absorbed. As long as I have what I want.... and all that. And apathy, and demoralization and fear.... and no leadership. That.

Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 05:04 AM (BoE3Z)

125 If asking if you are married is off-limits in job interviews, facebook credentials certainly should be as well.

I agree.  I don't really think either one should be off-limits for them to ask, but I would never work for a company that asked those questions.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 05:04 AM (8y9MW)

126 Maybe it's because too many people are too self-absorbed. As long as I have what I want.... and all that.

They're willfully ignorant of what the President is doing.  They don't want to know, so they don't know.  Some are even worse- they're in active denial- but between the two, there's just no outrage when there should be.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 05:05 AM (8y9MW)

127 I would use the facebook question in an interview. The only acceptable answer is "I don't have a Facebook account". Consider it an IQ proxy and impromptu personality compatibility test.

Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2012 05:12 AM (uekSI)

128 127 Maybe it's because too many people are too self-absorbed. As long as I have what I want.... and all that.

They're willfully ignorant of what the President is doing. They don't want to know, so they don't know. Some are even worse- they're in active denial- but between the two, there's just no outrage when there should be.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 09:05 AM (8y9MW)


Yeah. Who will lead us? We need it. Who will be outraged, who will be brave enough to risk vilification, and plow right through it? Someone upthread mentioned Franklin, a man who was not a moral coward. Where are these leaders? It's come down to this, Allen, where bravery is called for. I'm not seeing it.

Obama is a coward and a fool, preceding anything else . The country is on the brink. We need founding father's bravery - nothing else will do.


Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 05:13 AM (BoE3Z)

129

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama is using privileged access to one of America's greatest landmarks to reward his most generous financial supporters in ways that Republicans Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum can't match: More than 60 of Obama's biggest campaign donors have visited the White House more than once for meetings with top advisers, holiday parties or state dinners, a review by The Associated Press has found.

The invitations to visit 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, which are a legal and established practice from incumbent presidents, came despite Obama's past criticisms of Washington's pay-for-access privileges and mark a reversal from early in the president's term when donors complained that Obama was keeping them at arm's length.



Barry: I'm shocked, shocked to find that fund raising going on in the White House. 

PAC: Your donations Barry

Barry: Oh uhhhh ummmmm....I inherited this from the previous administration

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 26, 2012 05:14 AM (1Jaio)

130 Where are these leaders? It's come down to this, Allen, where bravery is called for.

Would I be too forward if I said: Here at the HQ?  Maybe across other sites, too, but our politicians won't do it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 05:15 AM (8y9MW)

131 Good stuff from VDH (but when is not not?) linked over at Insty: The role of a president is to rein in the mob, not to unleash it. The latter is what community organizers do; the former is what makes statesmen. Yet on issue after issue — anti-terrorism, global warming, government ethics, and racial relations — a frenzied mob, egged on by the media and demagogues like Barack Obama, have almost stormed the jail, only to dissipate when met by either evidence, or the knowledge that the incarcerated was one of their own — as if they had never screamed and threatened in the first place. Politics is all about constituencies.

Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2012 05:17 AM (7vSU0)

132 Truman, that DBD cartoon is perfect -- and far too close to the truth.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 26, 2012 05:19 AM (ccXZP)

133

Not bad, though I think "dumber than a lady box" would be more accurate, IYKWIM.

 

Mine's quite discerning.

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 26, 2012 05:19 AM (CMM9V)

134 131

Would I be too forward if I said: Here at the HQ? Maybe across other sites, too, but our politicians won't do it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 09:15 AM (8y9MW) 

No, they won't. They're men of small convictions, in my view. There is positional authority, and real authority. They want the position, so they will pander.

It's funny, in a depressing way, to see them try so hard to be "liked", when all a lot of us want from them is to see a set of balls.


Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 05:20 AM (BoE3Z)

135 Mine's quite discerning. Pics or it didn't happen. Oh, wait, this isn't the ONT.

Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2012 05:21 AM (7vSU0)

136 @127

The depressing thing is they aren't even being subtle about it.

It's directly in your face marxism.

It's you can't stop us marxism.

It's we are taking this mother fucking country down marxism.

And our purported leaders in the GOP don't seem to have a problem with it.


It's hard to see hills when your head is buried deeply in your ass!

Posted by: McLovin at March 26, 2012 05:22 AM (j0IcY)

137

128 Yeah, me too.

 

I'm expecting zombie Reagan to rise and beat the living shit out of President Algae over wanting to turn missile defence over to the Russians. Jeez.

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 26, 2012 05:22 AM (CMM9V)

138

I wouldn't knowingly hire a democrat  for any job. As a matter of fact, if I ever did need to hire someone, that would be an interview question.

Posted by: Jimmah at March 26, 2012 05:24 AM (UpwlP)

139 You're going to have to wait until the money runs out before people get brave.

The problem with that theory is that the money has already run out (or never will, depending on your interpretation).  We're using funny-money printed with no purpose but to pretend that we can pay our debts- and have been for quite a while now.

Maybe when inflation actually hits and we go all Weimar Republic, or something.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 05:25 AM (8y9MW)

140 Vic sounds angrier than usual this morning.  Not that he's alone there.  I don't talk as much about politics around my husband as I used to, as he thinks talk radio and AoS make me bitter and angry.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at March 26, 2012 05:27 AM (bMLFV)

141 So, zero is telling the russians he will wreck our defenses after the election. by any reasonable definition this effin loser is guilty of treason.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 05:27 AM (Z9EHQ)

142 The depressing thing is they aren't even being subtle about it.

Posted by: McLovin at March 26, 2012 09:22 AM (j0IcY)



I think that a lot of it has to do with the indoctrination people receive from schools and "entertainment". They have no clue as what this means and others are afraid to speak out against it because of the media backlash.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 26, 2012 05:28 AM (1Jaio)

143 maybe after the election he will have more flexibility on the domestic side as well and he will be able to really get moving on leveling the Constitution.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 05:28 AM (Z9EHQ)

144 Obama: Rocket test would isolate North Korea ???? What's obama gonna do, revoke their season tickets to the Knicks?

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 05:31 AM (i6RpT)

145

So it should be blocked because some people are stupid?

 

You're damn right they are stupid!

 

What's the password to my facebook? I don't have a facebook, sorry.

 

Granted it's easy for me to come up with that cunning strategy, since I actually do not have a facebook page, but you are all welcome to use it.

Posted by: Entropy at March 26, 2012 05:31 AM (TULs6)

146 90 Consider well, texters. This generation of kids prefer texting to speaking aloud. EVERYTHING they "say" to each other is recorded.

-----

Boy, ain't that the truth. I got a phonecall the other day from a sister-in-law. It was an automated text-to-speech system reading me a text message she had sent to my land line.

Posted by: Anachronda at March 26, 2012 05:32 AM (6fER6)

147 Vt. military college holding 1st gay pride week By Wilson Ring - The Associated Press Posted : Sunday Mar 25, 2012 13:29:54 EDT NORTHFIELD, Vt. — Barely six months after the expiration of the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy prohibiting gay service members from serving openly, the nation’s oldest private military academy, is holding its first gay pride week. Norwich University’s Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Questioning, and Allies Club held its first meeting in September within hours of the end of “don’t ask, don’t tell,” the rule that prevented gay service members from serving openly in the military. Now, the organization is planning a week of events to be highlighted by Norwich’s first queer prom, where Vermont Gov. Peter Shumlin is going to be the keynote speaker. And many alumni are expected to return to campus, said club president and Norwich senior Joshua Fontanez, 22, of Browns Mills, N.J. Hey I don't give a rat's ass what you do in the bedroom and with whom, but this shit is nuts

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 05:32 AM (i6RpT)

148 Vt. military college holding 1st gay pride week

But don't worry, the repeal of DADT has absolutely nothing to do with pushing the gay agenda.  Not.  A.  Thing.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 05:34 AM (8y9MW)

149 SCOAMF wants to borrow etch?

Posted by: akak at March 26, 2012 05:35 AM (vfQBi)

150 Bitter, brittle skinny Pretzel President promises to be more "flexible" after a good soak and massage. Given another diet Beer Summit, Barney Gumble's endorsement?

Posted by: maverick muse at March 26, 2012 05:35 AM (lpWVn)

151 SCOAMF has been making noise that he want to give the Russians Top Secret telemetry data for out missile interceptors.  Specifically, the Ruskies want Velocity on Burnout (VoB ) data. This is the speed at which the interceptor is going when all the fuel has been expended.  

Missile defense is like trying to hit a bullet with another bullet, in space, 150 miles away. If you know the VoB, all you have to do is make your rocket a little bit faster, or a little bit slower and our interceptor is worthless.

Its not like Putin would ever share that data with the Chinese, or the North Koreans or the Iranians ? 

Huh ? Oh...oh.

Posted by: Chairman Mow at March 26, 2012 05:36 AM (ih+cL)

152 I am not a marketing wizard, but with this latest "flexibility" quote from Obama, his repeated bowing to despots, and all his other gaffes., I could come up with dozens of hard hitting commercials for during the campaign. 

How come I think the RNC and other Republican entities won't use any of this dynamite stuff?

Posted by: jjmurphy at March 26, 2012 05:38 AM (xjEAl)

153 How come I think the RNC and other Republican entities won't use any of this dynamite stuff?

Because past actions are a good indicator of future performance?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 05:40 AM (8y9MW)

154 "Because past actions are a good indicator of future performance?"

So very true....and sad.

Posted by: jjmurphy at March 26, 2012 05:42 AM (xjEAl)

155 we all miss DOOM posts, right?  well, feel doomed today cause Obamacare is in front of the Supremes.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at March 26, 2012 05:44 AM (Y1JCQ)

156 Hey legal Morons- how long does it typically take to have a SCOTUS decision after arguments are heard?  Are we talking about this summer?  Early fall?  Next week?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 05:45 AM (8y9MW)

157 156 How come I think the RNC and other Republican entities won't use any of this dynamite stuff?

Because past actions are a good indicator of future performance?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 09:40 AM (8y9MW)



They think communists, and layabouts, and fringe group lefties of all stripes will vote for them if they just package themselves rightly. Fools. They have their man...

Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 05:46 AM (BoE3Z)

158 159 July. The decision is supposed to come back in July.

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 26, 2012 05:46 AM (CMM9V)

159

"...In 1831 young men in dark pants and white shirts with ties began circulating through suburban neighborhoods causing people to hide in the backs of their houses for hours. "

Fast forward to 26Mar91, there I was, in a small mining town in northern Chile, Diego de Almagro, white shirt & tie off, AC/DC tshirt on instead with dress pants as I helped dig the umpteenth hole for an outhouse for folks living on the edge of town. Good times, good times.

Posted by: fastfreefall at March 26, 2012 05:47 AM (timQz)

160 Flexibility to stop pretending to be interested in national defense?

Barky never even bothered pretending that he was interested in the defense of America.  Quite the opposite.  The only people who ever thought that Barky had good intentions for America (and still say so) are idiot squishes on the right.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 05:47 AM (X3lox)

161 , feel doomed today cause Obamacare is in front of the Supremes. Posted by: kelley in virginia at March 26, 2012 09:44 AM (Y1JCQ) Actually no because there is a 50-50% that the Supremes will throw it out or at least the individual mandate

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 05:49 AM (i6RpT)

162 I got your DOOM, some fresh Steyn: Texas Congressman Louie Gohmert, for whom I have a high regard, was among those representatives who appeared at the Heritage Foundation to express misgivings regarding the Ryan plan's timidity. They're not wrong on that: the alleged terrorizer of widows and orphans does not propose to balance the budget of the Government of the United States until the year 2040. That would be 27 years after Congressman Ryan's current term of office expires. I have been saying this for a while. The "Ryan plan" scares Republicans because it is supposedly too Draconian and yet it only touches 40% of the problem.

Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2012 05:49 AM (7vSU0)

163

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 09:45 AM (8y9MW)

 

Should come down in June, I think.

Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2012 05:50 AM (z4Sl7)

164 Mittens thinks that Barky is still well-intentioned .. but in over his head.  Poor thing.


I say to Mittens, "Physician, heal thy self."

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 05:50 AM (X3lox)

165 154, I hope the defense contractors realize that the request for that data should be handled by the youngest intern on their staff, the one without a science degree and only a solar powered calculator.

Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2012 05:53 AM (WkuV6)

166 Anybody have a two-headed coin we can give to Anthony Kennedy?

Never mind, he may say "Heads: 0bamacare stands."

Posted by: logprof at March 26, 2012 05:54 AM (ykSKg)

167 167 Mittens thinks that Barky is still well-intentioned .. but in over his head. Poor thing.


I say to Mittens, "Physician, heal thy self."

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 09:50 AM (X3lox)


Well, there's the problem, neatly expressed. Ogabe's intentions are pure malice. The candidate in question here is either stupid or disingenuous ( see- put on the red dress tonight). If he believes that, God help us.

Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 05:54 AM (BoE3Z)

168 The sooner we gets more Lemon Pledge, the sooner we can show out empathee.

Posted by: Justicia Sotomayor at March 26, 2012 05:54 AM (z4Sl7)

169 167Mittens thinks that Barky is still well-intentioned .. but in over his head. Poor thing.


I say to Mittens, "Physician, heal thy self."

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 09:50 AM (X3lox)

 

 

 

 

Stoopid can't be cured.

Posted by: maddogg at March 26, 2012 05:54 AM (OlN4e)

170 Does anyone know what happened to cuffy and the closing velocity blog?

Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2012 05:55 AM (WkuV6)

171 The candidate in question here is either stupid or disingenuous ( see- put on the red dress tonight).

Is it just me, or is a sad state we've come to when our best option is that our presumptive nominee is lying to us?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 05:55 AM (8y9MW)

172

Just a thought on Rick SantorumÂ…

 

Anyone who aspires to hold the office of President of the United States needs to have some basic abilities, one of which is having the sense to keep up with current events.  Naturally, running for office is grueling and there isnÂ’t a lot of time, but part of being the chief executive of a country involves having people who will brief you on the most obvious news events because you know the press will ask questions about them.

 

Apparently, Santorum only catches bits and pieces of “news” from MSNBC.  ItÂ’s also fairly obvious he doesnÂ’t have anyone filling him in on what is important.  His answer on the Trayvon situation over the weekend makes it clear he is entirely too fucking stupid to be anywhere near a seat of power.

 

Thank god this idiot has no chance.

Posted by: jwest at March 26, 2012 05:55 AM (FdndL)

173 @168 Billy Bob Picture here - http://tinyurl.com/7hbeswt And the reason why the little cherub was suspended for ten days is here - (fighting with the bus driver.) http://tinyurl.com/88xmkd3

Posted by: RWC at March 26, 2012 05:55 AM (fWAjv)

174 I rally liked how Barky was out there announcing to the world how many missiles and warheads the US has.  That used to be a treason sort of thing ... back in the days when this nation had a shred of self-respect left.  Now, we're being taken down by a retard who couldn't pass a high school math exam and whose command of English doesn't breach the high school level, either.

Affirmative Stupidity.  Diversity of intellect.  You have to love it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 05:56 AM (X3lox)

175 Santorum now knows why reelecting the Won is worse than electing Romney.

Posted by: MTF at March 26, 2012 05:56 AM (JOnLy)

176

Never mind, found my pet jawa link, he now is sawing the gang picture may not be poor Trayvon after all.

 

If I had a few sons, they'd  all look alike.

Posted by: Barack Obama at March 26, 2012 05:57 AM (z4Sl7)

177 Vic - The problem is that there are compartments in your life that are not the business of other compartments.  On Twitter, I am very political.  However, in my job, having strong political opinions, while not forbidden, is also discouraged.  This is because we do a lot of work with the Federal Government and don't want to bite the hand that feeds us.

IMO, my job has no business knowing what I talk about in my personal life.  I would not give out my Twitter identity in a job interview.  This is no different, ethically, than Ace demanding that I provide the name of my employer prior to allowing me to post here.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 26, 2012 05:57 AM (Di+OU)

178 176 @168

Never mind, found my pet jawa link, he now is sawing the gang picture may not be poor Trayvon after all.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at March 26, 2012 09:55 AM (hXJOG)

Trayvon... did you know that translates as "Horst" (as is Horst Wessel) in German?

Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 05:57 AM (BoE3Z)

179

Lots of stuff in the blogosphere about GOP turnout actually being on the upswing. I thought the concensus was GOP enthusiasm was low this year?

 

Posted by: Dick Nixon at March 26, 2012 05:58 AM (kaOJx)

180 If I had a few sons, they'd all look alike.

Posted by: Barack Obama at March 26, 2012 09:57 AM (z4Sl7)



If you had a son, you'd be wondering who the father is, unless he was a limp wristed, effete snob

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 26, 2012 05:59 AM (1Jaio)

181 Hey, Drudge Report has a link to a story about the new Visa data center. maybe aoshq should look into something similar?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 05:59 AM (Z9EHQ)

182 172 167
Mittens thinks that Barky is still well-intentioned .. but in over his head. Poor thing.


I say to Mittens, "Physician, heal thy self."


Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 09:50 AM (X3lox)

Well, there's the problem, neatly expressed. Ogabe's intentions are pure malice. The candidate in question here is either stupid or disingenuous ( see- put on the red dress tonight). If he believes that, God help us.

Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 09:54 AM (BoE3Z)


--Jame Taranto has pointed out that Willard is using a pretty good strategy: "He's a nice guy, but . . ." is just about the best way of damning with faint praise you can imagine.

Posted by: logprof at March 26, 2012 06:01 AM (ykSKg)

183 anyone concerned that the african American churches may be less of a church and more of a community organizing center? I have never seen a bunch of people dress up in thug coture, carry stadium signs, and sing revenge songs in any of the churches I have attended. I am not sure they are getting some of the finer points of the religion.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 06:02 AM (Z9EHQ)

184 185 Lots of stuff in the blogosphere about GOP turnout actually being on the upswing. I thought the concensus was GOP enthusiasm was low this year?

Posted by: Dick Nixon at March 26, 2012 09:58 AM (kaOJx)


--Libtard Media myopia: For example, turnout was lower in Chicago, therefore of course they assume lower in all of Illinois, since to them that's the only part of the state that exists.

Posted by: logprof at March 26, 2012 06:05 AM (ykSKg)

185 anyone concerned that the african American churches may be less of a church and more of a community organizing center? I have never seen a bunch of people dress up in thug coture, carry stadium signs, and sing revenge songs in any of the churches I have attended. I am not sure they are getting some of the finer points of the religion. Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 10:02 AM (Z9EHQ) Of course. It's disgraceful how they openly subvert the seperation of Church & State and also their Tax Free Status. But no politician on either side has the guts to challenge them

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 06:06 AM (i6RpT)

186 >>The only acceptable answer is "I don't have a Facebook account". Consider it an IQ proxy and impromptu personality compatibility test.

I use it to read info from Ryan/Pence/Walker, read stuff posted by other conservatives and add comments (the same way you use AoS...) and look at pictures of my nephews.

Do you think I'm stupid?

Posted by: Whoopi at March 26, 2012 06:07 AM (ZKzrr)

187

Re: #9 (I know, I'm late to the party.)

The funny thing about all this (having a disabled mother-in-law myself) is that the article mentioned "community care" which (sadly or happily I suppose) will need to become a bigger part of care for the disabled (as well as and especially Alzhiemer's Patients) simply to keep down the cost of care as soon as the "epidemic" kicks in (estimates place that at about 15-20 years out).

 

Of course the DOJ fails to recongize 2 things. First, you can't hamstring these providers because they'll need to expand on fairly shoostring budgets. Secondly, I said "community care" needs to expand, this isn't the same as "Medicaid Waiver care" (which is what the DOJ wants to expand).  You can't just throw money at the problem and make it go away.  Hell, I wish I could throw money at it and make it go away, but we'd be dealing with sums that would make the stimulus look like a blip.

Posted by: tsrblke at March 26, 2012 06:07 AM (SYrwI)

188 192 is me.

I guess I am stupid, I can't remember to wash my socks.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 26, 2012 06:07 AM (ZKzrr)

189 190 185 Lots of stuff in the blogosphere about GOP turnout actually being on the upswing. I thought the concensus was GOP enthusiasm was low this year? Posted by: Dick Nixon at March 26, 2012 09:58 AM (kaOJx) Everything I have read, outside of the mfm reporters, has expected that republicans would be much more motivated than democrats. Republicans are expected to be motivated to get rid of obama and his programs while democrats have fulfilled their opportunity to elect a half white president and are not pleased that he did not nationalize everything and surrender to the chinese ane iranians so are a little angry with him.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 06:09 AM (Z9EHQ)

190 Jame Taranto has pointed out that Willard is using a pretty good strategy: "He's a nice guy, but . . ." is just about the best way of damning with faint praise you can imagine.

Posted by: logprof at March 26, 2012 10:01 AM (ykSKg)



This "strategy" is so wrong it isn't funny.  It is stupid and displays contempt for anyone who actually loves America and what this nation stands for. 

Telling such ridiculous, bald-faced lies such as Barky being nice or caring about America doesn't make a good political strategy.  It's just stupid.  And worse, it's a lie.  A big, big lie.  Cowards like to tell these sorts of lies. Cowardice will not win anything this election.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 06:10 AM (X3lox)

191 Of course. It's disgraceful how they openly subvert the seperation of Church & State and also their Tax Free Status. But no politician on either side has the guts to challenge them Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 10:06 AM (i6RpT) Oh I agree completely with you on that point, I am amazed that in addition to their violation of election law they seem completely disconnected from the teachings of the church and any resemblance to anything I learned stops after you pass the sign.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 06:11 AM (Z9EHQ)

192 Of course. It's disgraceful how they openly subvert the seperation of Church & State and also their Tax Free Status. But no politician on either side has the guts to challenge them

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 10:06 AM (i6RpT)

Oh, come on now. You remember how McCain took on Rev. Wright & the Church of Christ organizing storefront, don't you? Oh wait.....

Anyway, you see how much bolder all of this crop of Republican candidates are than McCain was, don't you? Just have a little faith in them, they'll grow a pair, sometime.

Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 06:13 AM (BoE3Z)

193 Morning, all.

First thing I hear on the news on the radio this morning is two British troops have been murdered by an Afghan soldier in Lashgah Gar, a forward operating base in Helmand Province.

Our son has been on a convoy in that area since early last week.  Won't hear from him until he's back on base, whenever that is.

Prayers, please.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 06:13 AM (UOM48)

194 Telling such ridiculous, bald-faced lies such as Barky being nice or caring about America doesn't make a good political strategy. It's just stupid. And worse, it's a lie. A big, big lie. Cowards like to tell these sorts of lies. Cowardice will not win anything this election. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 10:10 AM (X3lox) he mad a nice little soundbite for the election with his hot mic moment with medvedev. the only thing missing was medvedev calling zero "comrade".

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 06:13 AM (Z9EHQ)

195 Brother Ahmedinejad, could you wait until after the election? I'll be able to 'accommodate' you better by then.

Posted by: Baraka Obama at March 26, 2012 06:13 AM (FcR7P)

196 Willard strategy illustrates his fear of the media.

Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2012 06:14 AM (WkuV6)

197 Telling such ridiculous, bald-faced lies such as Barky being nice or caring about America doesn't make a good political strategy. It's just stupid. And worse, it's a lie. A big, big lie. Cowards like to tell these sorts of lies. Cowardice will not win anything this election.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 10:10 AM (X3lox)


--Remember, it' not to appeal to us, but to the mushy and disengaged middle.  Eyes on the prize.

Posted by: logprof at March 26, 2012 06:14 AM (ykSKg)

198 ((((jane d'oh)))) done

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 26, 2012 06:14 AM (Ho2rs)

199 Brother Ahmedinejad, could you wait until after the election? I'll be able to 'accommodate' you better by then. Posted by: Baraka Obama at March 26, 2012 10:13 AM (FcR7P) Yes we know and our clock is TICKING

Posted by: Israel at March 26, 2012 06:15 AM (i6RpT)

200 Our son has been on a convoy in that area since early last week. Won't hear from him until he's back on base, whenever that is.

Prayers, please.

 You've got it...

Posted by: the hobbit fomerly known as Donna at March 26, 2012 06:15 AM (ZHge+)

201 Just have a little faith in them, they'll grow a pair, sometime.

Among them?  Perhaps.  If they all started taking testosterone now.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 06:16 AM (8y9MW)

202 Jane D'oh, that' all the motivation we need to remove the dickbag from the White House.

Posted by: logprof at March 26, 2012 06:17 AM (ykSKg)

203 Someone needs to talk santorum off the ledge. He may be thinking he is building a base for his future but if he screws this election up he is not even going to to get called back to guest on hannity.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 06:17 AM (Z9EHQ)

204 Some scrunt on NPR news is saying no one has been "injured" by Obamacare yet. Tell that to Snookie and all the others that pay that RACIST honky Tanning Tax.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at March 26, 2012 06:17 AM (UU0OF)

205 Good morning Morons! Hope everyone had a good weekend! Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck. My liberal friend in Oregon threatened Civil War this weekend. My head exploded. I'm posting from the afterlife. There are liberals here, too. #@$%

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at March 26, 2012 06:17 AM (0tRzD)

206 Prayers, please.

Done.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 06:17 AM (8y9MW)

207 For sure, Jane.

Posted by: NC Ref at March 26, 2012 06:17 AM (/izg2)

208 Yes we know and our clock is TICKING Posted by: Israel Pipe down! Err...close ally, umm, no great, I mean, greater friend, uhhh, punching above your weight...

Posted by: Baraka Obama at March 26, 2012 06:18 AM (FcR7P)

209 he mad a nice little soundbite for the election with his hot mic moment with medvedev. the only thing missing was medvedev calling zero "comrade".

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 10:13 AM (Z9EHQ)



Yep.  I'm sure Mittens will be able to explain why Barky is well-intentioned (but confused, no doubt) in his promise to give the store away to his idols, the Soviets, the minute he's re-elected.

As with 2008, we can't say that Barky is hiding his idiocy or his anti-Americanism.  It's the Vichy Right who have to work hard to reinterpret Barky's words to make him sound "well-intentioned, but just unable to figure it out," ... the poor patriotic Indonesian.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 06:18 AM (X3lox)

210 My liberal friend in Oregon threatened Civil War this weekend. My head exploded.

Over what?  The great drubbing their freedoms have taken at the hands of the Republican controlled House?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 06:18 AM (8y9MW)

211 #11

The legendary Los Angeles to Las Vegas rail line is all you need to know about why the North-South bullet train proposal is a non-starter.

The Vegas run has everything going for it. Huge swaths of barren open land running parallel to the I-15 with scarcely any of the problems a long run through urban areas would have. There is a huge guaranteed ridership on the weekends for partiers everybody would just as soon not have driving.

There is already freight connections between LA and LV. They just need to be improved to allow for faster passenger runs. And those don't have to be terribly fast. Averaging close to 100 MPH gets you there in under three hours with few stops needed.

And best of all, there are some very deep pocketed private interests who'd like to see this happen.

But it never has and likely never will. A flight gets you from most of the major southern CA airports in about an hour and is price-wise competitive with what it takes to fuel a car for the trip. I've made a few day trips to LV from JW in Orange County in a friend's 6 seater Beech Craft. It took longer to get to the airport than was spent in the air. Flying out of Van Nuys would be preferable but Frank has this funny desire to have his plane near where HE lives.

So, an easy to build train with few technical obstacles on a high value route cannot raise the capital. This tells us everything we need to know about why a far more ambitious design on a far less valuable route is a really bad idea.

Posted by: epobirs at March 26, 2012 06:19 AM (kcfmt)

212 Nothing to worry about.  I looked into Medvadev's soul. . . .

Posted by: Baraka Zulu at March 26, 2012 06:20 AM (ykSKg)

213 Over what? The great drubbing their freedoms have taken at the hands of the Republican controlled House? Probably corporate personhood and Citizens United. For some reason, that seriously has the progs spun up. Though they don't see the connection to Soros.

Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2012 06:20 AM (7vSU0)

214 Oh, and for the DOOM! Files- apparently Fort Worth, TX is "celebrating" (as in: City Offices are Closed- official holiday "celebrating") Cesar Chavez day today.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 06:21 AM (8y9MW)

215 SO

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 06:21 AM (i6RpT)

216 --Remember, it' not to appeal to us, but to the mushy and disengaged middle. Eyes on the prize.

Posted by: logprof at March 26, 2012 10:14 AM (ykSKg)



EVERYONE knows that Barky is a prick and liar.  Even his most steadfast supporters know that - they just think he's a prick and lies for them.  For Mittens to say that he doesn't think Barky is a dick shows EVERYONE that he is lying or too stupid to realize what everyone else knows.

"There's a slightly creepy cult of personality about him [Barky]."  -- Evan Thomas, HUGE Barky supporter on the night of his illegal election. 

THEY ALL KNOW!!!  Only Mittens is clueless.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 06:22 AM (X3lox)

217 President Obama, speaking with Russian President Medvedev As John McCain so presciently announced to America's enemies, you have nothing to fear from Obama in the White House.

Posted by: t-bird at March 26, 2012 06:22 AM (FcR7P)

218 Listen Vlad, I will finish off the US military as soon as I am re-elected.

Posted by: Presnit Otreason at March 26, 2012 06:22 AM (SuBE0)

219 As with 2008, we can't say that Barky is hiding his idiocy or his anti-Americanism. It's the Vichy Right who have to work hard to reinterpret Barky's words to make him sound "well-intentioned, but just unable to figure it out," ... the poor patriotic Indonesian. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 10:18 AM (X3lox) I will hold my nose and vote for romney, I am not a fan, however, I do believe he is wise to tread lightly on zero. anything he says is going to be used against him by the mfm and anything aside from praising zero is going to be called racist. Also, the right wing blogosphere and the superpacs will be much more effective in pounding zero this time around. hopefully the Breitbart group will continue vetting him and painting everything he says and does in the shades of critical race theory.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 06:23 AM (Z9EHQ)

220 Prayers for your son, Jane.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 06:23 AM (X3lox)

221 t-bird mccain also voted to confirm eric holder and janet napalitano...........

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 26, 2012 06:23 AM (Ho2rs)

222 @215

The most amazing thing of all is that, to his credit, Obama has not really
tried to hide what he is or what he is about.

It's all there Affiliations with Radicals, Community Agitation, Destroying enemies, Cronyism, Marxist Policies.

If we had an opposition party that was really and truly an opposition party, there is not a snowballs chance in hell that he would have been elected Senator let alone President.

Posted by: McLovin at March 26, 2012 06:24 AM (j0IcY)

223 @216 that's why my head exploded! heheh No, he was whipped up by a lefty interpretation of a piece of Wisconsin state legislation regarding the family. The article's author stated that the law made being a single parent akin to child abuse. Between that and Rush Limbaugh, my poor friend can hardly take it anymore. The comment thread included supportive comments like, "Sock up on ammo", and "Keep your powder dry". Along with the usual hand-wringing like, "I'm sad that in this day of enlightenment we still have such hatred." I wanted to engage. I didn't. To hell with them all.

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at March 26, 2012 06:25 AM (niW49)

224 #11

Also, you can get lefties to object to big government spending when there is a risk it may produce something of value, albeit at a grossly inflated price. They far prefer to piss money down a welfare hole that only produces more recipients.

Posted by: epobirs at March 26, 2012 06:25 AM (kcfmt)

225 It's just sad that the election boils down to a malevolent communist or a selection of shitweasels and geldings. And I have to vote, no sitting this one out.

Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 06:26 AM (BoE3Z)

226 Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at March 26, 2012 10:25 AM (niW49)

Geez.

And we lose elections to these people.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 06:26 AM (8y9MW)

227 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2012 06:26 AM (7W3wI)

228 THEY ALL KNOW!!! Only Mittens is clueless. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 10:22 AM (X3lox) yeah, however, they all believed he was lying for them. the white hispanics have found out that they are expedable. others will notice. his own base has noticed, ironically, that he is less about african Americans and more about something else, that is why he needs to eff around wit the zimmerman thing so he can motivate his base to vote. Sadly, for the nobel laureate he does not understand that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and if you start sending you thugs out to get whitey, even the whitey hispanics, all shades of whitey might not do what you want at the polls.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 06:28 AM (Z9EHQ)

229 16 Yeah Vic,I'm about at the end of my rope with that asshole.He has to go,ASAP.

Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2012 06:28 AM (7W3wI)

230 If we had an opposition party that was really and truly an opposition party, there is not a snowballs chance in hell that he would have been elected Senator let alone President.

Posted by: McLovin at March 26, 2012 10:24 AM (j0IcY)



Yep.  Instead, we have an "opposition" party that is scared of Barky's un-Constitutional acts being held against them if they mention them.

It makes me want to cry like a Boehner.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 06:28 AM (X3lox)

231 The thing that really shocked us about the "Rev" Wright story was not that President Chic was a regular, um, worshipper there but the inside glimpse it gave us of a large, successful inner-city black church. Makes you wonder, no? 

Posted by: Cricket at March 26, 2012 06:29 AM (DrC22)

232 It's just sad that the election boils down to a malevolent communist or a selection of shitweasels and geldings. And I have to vote, no sitting this one out. Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 10:26 AM (BoE3Z) sad as it is at least we are having elections.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 06:29 AM (Z9EHQ)

233 The thing that really shocked us about the "Rev" Wright story was not that President Chic was a regular, um, worshipper there but the inside glimpse it gave us of a large, successful inner-city black church.Makes you wonder, no? Posted by: Cricket at March 26, 2012 10:29 AM (DrC22) Ain't no wondering about it. We know, We know

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 06:30 AM (i6RpT)

234 It comes down to education and the media, and three generations of Americans that have been spoon fed their beliefs without critical thought.

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at March 26, 2012 06:32 AM (pVvkk)

235 Good morning, moron nation! Here's a sobering chart. @JimPethokoukis The gaping maw that ate the U.S. economy http://bit.ly/Hb7wwV (1 of most astonishing charts I've ever seen) #rsrh

Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 06:32 AM (5H6zj)

236

 shades of white

 

Heh.

Posted by: Entropy at March 26, 2012 06:32 AM (TULs6)

237 Twitter kicks facebook's ass

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at March 26, 2012 06:33 AM (niW49)

238

sad as it is at least we are having elections.

 

So did Iraq, Cuba, USSR, so does Iran, China, etc. etc.

Posted by: Entropy at March 26, 2012 06:34 AM (TULs6)

239 sad as it is at least we are having elections. That is the only thing bringing me to the polls, sentimentality. "2012 Could Be Your Final Vote. Don't Miss It!"

Posted by: t-bird at March 26, 2012 06:34 AM (FcR7P)

240 I don't know how much more of this administration I can take.

The fact that Afghan "soldiers" are murdering NATO troops at an ever-increasing rate, and there's not a peep from our cowardly, inept CiC enrages me.

I want my kid home.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 06:34 AM (UOM48)

241 Small Business  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdpN5C1_flQ

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at March 26, 2012 06:35 AM (e8kgV)

242

They probably have rigging and fraud, but Iran and China probably do not have any more rigging and fraud than we do.

Posted by: Entropy at March 26, 2012 06:35 AM (TULs6)

243 I don't know how much more of this administration I can take. The fact that Afghan "soldiers" are murdering NATO troops at an ever-increasing rate, and there's not a peep from our cowardly, inept CiC enrages me. I want my kid home. Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 10:34 AM (UOM4 Amen

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 26, 2012 06:35 AM (i6RpT)

244 I have been saying this for a while. The "Ryan plan" scares Republicans because it is supposedly too Draconian and yet it only touches 40% of the problem.

Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2012 09:49 AM (7vSU0)

 

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Politics is the art of the possible.  Moving the budget steadily and measurably in the right direction is more important than achieving a certain number by a certain date.  If you simply went cold turkey and slashed the budget to balance in a couple years, the effects on the economy would be utterly crippling.  Not to mention political suicide.  Better some inflation than a deep crash.  Inflation is, in itself, essentially a tax.  And, I might add, it's the kind of "fair" tax that hits everyone regardless of income, which has been a popular theme around here.

 

 

Besides - until the economy really begins to recover, inflation will remain tame.  For now, if you have extra money, buy productive assets.  Don't just hold cash.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 26, 2012 06:35 AM (xUM1Q)

245 "2012 Could Be Your Final Vote. Don't Miss It!"

Posted by: t-bird at March 26, 2012 10:34 AM (FcR7P)



2012:  Obama vs. America

And the GOP will be totally useless after 2012, no matter how the election goes.  This is the last hurrah for the GOP.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 06:37 AM (X3lox)

246 Something pretty to start your day: http://tinyurl.com/c8evchc Should pop up with an interactive panoramic view of southern Utah.

Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 06:38 AM (5H6zj)

247 In Illinois "elections" don't mean what what most people think they mean.We vote here as a means of indulging our tastes for quaint customs (like trick-or-treating).

Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2012 06:38 AM (BoE3Z)

248

Twitter kicks facebook's ass

 

I switched to Firefox beta 12 this weekend, and I took a small amount of actual joy in deleting twitter from the list of search engines.

 

Anyone know how I can shove youtube in there?

Posted by: Entropy at March 26, 2012 06:38 AM (TULs6)

249 is two British troops have been murdered by an Afghan soldier in Lashgah Gar,

New plan, draft all male Afghanis, PT them until their assholes are sucking buttermilk, shoot any who complain.

Ok, the joke and our real plan both need work.

Best to all the boys, Doh and dough.

Posted by: DaveA at March 26, 2012 06:39 AM (PTim3)

250 Well, I'm off to get a box of Easter goodies off to our boy.  I hope he gets them by Easter. 

My heart is broken for the British families who are getting the Worst News Ever. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2012 06:40 AM (UOM48)

251 ynot very pretty

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 26, 2012 06:40 AM (Ho2rs)

252

Politics is the art of the possible.

 

Then politics will not solve our problems, ever. You can make a sound case for incrementalism, but it's quite a farse if you can never even make the first increment and never even start.

 

The Ryan budget is too extreme to pass, and not extreme enough to fix anything. For decades and running, the GOP has been incapable of even meaningfully slowing the rate of increase in growth. Nothing looks to be changing anytime soon.

Posted by: Entropy at March 26, 2012 06:42 AM (TULs6)

253 252 Should pop up with an interactive panoramic view of southern Utah.

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OK, dizzy now.

Posted by: Anachronda at March 26, 2012 06:42 AM (6fER6)

254

Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 10:32 AM (5H6zj)

 

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That is an interesting (and scary) chart.  After the initial horror wears off one can see a great opportunity.  If even 1/2 of the ideas conservatives have to improve the economy were put into practice, we could see dramatic gains.  There is probably a lot of low hanging fruit to harvest. 

Of course, I think it also reveals one other nasty problem - companies are figuring out that they can do a lot with fewer people on the payroll.  Computers and machines are great - but we have not yet figured out how to employ all the surplus labor they free up - especially the dummies.  And there are lots of those.  What do we do with them?  Not everyone is equally clever.  What can those people do if there is no opportunity?  If we want to fight back against entitlements, we have to acknowledge this challenge. 

Posted by: Reactionary at March 26, 2012 06:42 AM (xUM1Q)

255 It's snowing here right now. What an odd Spring.

Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 06:42 AM (5H6zj)

256 Politics is the art of the possible. Moving the budget steadily and measurably in the right direction is more important than achieving a certain number by a certain date.

I have to disagree, strongly.  Rising interest rates will force us to close the gap in an instant, at some point, as debt service will break us - literally.  The Fed is still carrying a nearly 3 trillion balance sheet that must be unwound some day and that will not be some day 40 years from now.

The US debt is now concentrated in the shortest maturities, EVER.  We are highly susceptible to moves in interest rates and MUST roll over huge amounts of debt very frequently.  Right now, we are living in a bubble of insanely low interest rates and we're not taking advantage of them (selling 2 year notes to finance debt while the 30 year is at an all time insane low shows how we badly this situation is being constructed).  The minute interest rates start to rise, our debt service skyrockets (unlike historically, when our debt was more concentrated in longer maturities and required much less turnover and interest exposure.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 06:43 AM (X3lox)

257 Lots of really pretty panoramic images at that web site. We're heading to Capitol Reef and Bryce in May. Mr Y-not has been in So Utah back in the day (doing radiation surveys!), but I haven't been there yet.

Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 06:45 AM (5H6zj)

258 Anyone know how I can shove youtube in there?

Check mycroft.mozdev.org

Posted by: Heorot at March 26, 2012 06:45 AM (Nq/UF)

259 NEW YORK (Reuters) - Stocks extended gains on Monday, with each of the major indexes up at least 1 percent, as comments from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke suggested the central bank would continue supportive monetary policies even as the unemployment rate improves.




Yep, everything is great BUT we've got to keep the money flowing

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 26, 2012 06:45 AM (1Jaio)

260

Check mycroft.mozdev.org

 

Nice.

Posted by: Entropy at March 26, 2012 06:47 AM (TULs6)

261

We're heading to Capitol Reef and Bryce in May.

 

Make sure that the narrows are open before you go...no reason to go to bryce before they open up.

If you ever get the chance to go to Canyon De Chelly in N. Arizona.

Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2012 06:49 AM (z4Sl7)

262 On this day in 1964, a 9.4 magnitude earthquake hit southcentral Alaska, destroying houses, infrastructure, and businesses. It would have caused a much higher death toll had school been in session, but back then, Good Friday was a holiday. Several schools collapsed, including the nearly new West High School, which went from being a two-story school to one story in short order. I was three years old and remember that day like it was yesterday. Trees shook so hard they touched the ground on either side, and the quake lasted for more than five minutes. We thought perhaps it was never going to stop. There is a facebook page dedicated to those who survived and those who did not.



The tsunami from this quake killed several people on the beach in Crescent City, CA, prompting the creation of the Pacific Tsunami Warning System still in use today.


Rock and roll, Alaska style.

Posted by: tcn at March 26, 2012 06:49 AM (WhSRj)

263 'Had a VERY energetic discussion with hubby about this over coffee today. http://tinyurl.com/bu7qz86 There *are* a lot of questions about the quality of the education these kids will get (and, frankly, this program doesn't really sound like a true Bachelor's degree to me, sounds more like an Associates or technical certification), but I still applaud Perry for trying to get his public universities to address costs. And it's a better approach (setting a stretch goal) than what most states do which is to simply stop paying their bills or provide less and less to the universities in their states.

Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 06:50 AM (5H6zj)

264 ...one too many 'to's in there...

Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2012 06:50 AM (z4Sl7)

265 “Tell Putin this is my last election. After my election stuff like consent of the governed and the Constitution won’t matter.” -SCOAMF

Posted by: Barry Ofuckstick at March 26, 2012 06:51 AM (Fvey9)

266 Bryce will be late May/early June. We have friends who have a place in St. George so we'll use that as a base of operations. Capitol Reef will be mid-May.

Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 06:51 AM (5H6zj)

267 There is no absolute right of privacy, the question is whether you have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Therefore, the stuff pasted openly on your facebook page is fair game (and attorneys look at it all the time when picking a jury) and the stuff that is protected by password is protected. I'm with whoever noted that it seems the word "password" was injected into the contraversy when such was not the case.

Posted by: artemis at March 26, 2012 06:53 AM (2XMD1)

268 @DrewMTips Yeaagh! RT: @bdomenech: RT @DanMcConchie: Howard Dean predicts SCOTUS will declare individual mandate unconstitutional http://t.co/l4UksBA7 I hate having to worry about which side of the bed one old judge woke up on...

Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 06:53 AM (5H6zj)

269 I have to disagree, strongly. Rising interest rates will force us to close the gap in an instant, at some point, as debt service will break us - literally. The Fed is still carrying a nearly 3 trillion balance sheet that must be unwound some day and that will not be some day 40 years from now.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 10:43 AM (X3lox)

 

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Well, I understand your concern, and for many nations that's a pretty big deal.  But the thing is that we don't actually NEED to borrow any money.  If it were up to me we'd quit with the borrowing and just print as needed.  Inflation in the 'now' is easier to measure and adjust for than trying to sterilize excess spending with borrowing, which then compounds the future budgeting problem. 

 

 

A fiat system needs a certain amount of deficit spending to allow for savings and currency replacement.  Now, 1 trillion a year is WAY beyond that necessary deficit level - I think we'd all agree - but it's time to discard the idea that dollars are anything other than an unbacked, artificial construct.   The idea that all deficit spending can, or should, be covered by borrowing is itself unsound. 

Posted by: Reactionary at March 26, 2012 06:53 AM (xUM1Q)

270 Tiger Woods is 'Amerasian' but my daddy is 'black'. Does Tiger's son look like Trayvon? Get back to work serfs! LOL!

Posted by: Malia in Mexico at March 26, 2012 06:54 AM (DATOZ)

271 Re the Facebook kerfuffle. I'm sure that it's pretty S.O.P. for prospective employers to do a search of what is publicly available. If you're applying for a job in which you a representing an institution, I think it does matter if you're representing yourself as a kook on the internet.

Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 06:55 AM (5H6zj)

272 Posted by: Reactionary at March 26, 2012 10:53 AM (xUM1Q)


You cannot monetize an increasing debt.  Monetization only works (so much as it can work) when the debt has been stabilized.  If the debt is still increasing, then monetizing it is just throwing gasoline on a fire.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 06:55 AM (X3lox)

273 You cannot monetize an increasing debt. Monetization only works (so much as it can work) when the debt has been stabilized. If the debt is still increasing, then monetizing it is just throwing gasoline on a fire. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 10:55 AM (X3lox) yeah, that

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 06:56 AM (Z9EHQ)

274

Tiger Woods is 'Amerasian' but my daddy is 'black'.

 

And Zimmerman is a white hispanic.

 

Race is bullshit. All these groupings are arbitrary, and they are mostly political constructs. These are not ethnicities but patronage lobbies.

Posted by: Entropy at March 26, 2012 06:58 AM (TULs6)

275 You cannot monetize an increasing debt. Monetization only works (so much as it can work) when the debt has been stabilized. If the debt is still increasing, then monetizing it is just throwing gasoline on a fire.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 10:55 AM (X3lox)

 

 

 

You can - you just have to live with the inflation.  Inflation is the natural feedback mechanism for a fiat system.  It's what tells you if the government is consuming too much.  It's the efforts to mitigate inflation that tend to muddle the situation. 

Posted by: Reactionary at March 26, 2012 06:59 AM (xUM1Q)

276

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 10:55 AM (X3lox)

 

Well, then I'm out of ideas.

Posted by: Ben Bernanke at March 26, 2012 06:59 AM (z4Sl7)

277 Tiger Woods is 'Amerasian' but my daddy is 'black'. And Zimmerman is a white hispanic. Race is bullshit. All these groupings are arbitrary, and they are mostly political constructs. These are not ethnicities but patronage lobbies. so woods is a yellos black and obama is a white black? interesting.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 06:59 AM (Z9EHQ)

278

When I search the internet for my name I get a bunch of dead people who aren't me (I don't think) and on my maiden name I get one article about a church thing from when I was a child.

 

But, in order to get the contract job I am just finishing, I had to sign a waiver for a full background check, including credit history etc. Which I found pretty damn intrusive but the recruiter assured me all they do is check to see if I have a criminal record. Well, if that's the case why did I just sign a pages long document of things that I just gave you the right to search for?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 26, 2012 07:03 AM (RZ8pf)

279 The MBM seems to have gone quiet on the Trayvon thing. Strange, since these are people who talk about a story with racial elements long after we're tired of hearing about it.

Maybe a precipitous drop in poll numbers with Hispanics?

Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 07:05 AM (Y+DPZ)

280 You can - you just have to live with the inflation.

No. The monetary system would be destroyed.  Inflation (hyper-inflation, actually) destroys currencies.  There's nothing more dangerous than playing with the currency in this way.


Inflation is the natural feedback mechanism for a fiat system. It's what tells you if the government is consuming too much. It's the efforts to mitigate inflation that tend to muddle the situation.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 26, 2012 10:59 AM (xUM1Q)



That's mostly true - though price inflation doesn't tell you everything.  Monetary inflation can exist without the consequent price inflation showing up for quite some time (as we have, now).  This delay makes the feedback mechanism you speak of less than efficient, to be charitable.  Further, given our Just-In-Time inventories and the way our modern economy is put together dynamically, we have more of a need for integrity in our currency than any of the older, more staid economies.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 07:05 AM (X3lox)

281

Tell me, culturally or ethnically, what the hell a central american indian who speaks an indigenous language has in common with a half-portugese half-african-via-the-caribean south american?

 

Because it's usefull, the larger the group is, the more political power it wields.

 

Jews use to not be white, but now they are white. They turned white! Hispanics use to not be white, but now some of them are too. Italians use to not be white. Greeks are 'white' but they have more in common with Turks than they do with Norwegians.

 

It's very subject to change. It's not even based on skin color. It's politics.

Posted by: Entropy at March 26, 2012 07:05 AM (TULs6)

282 I'm with whoever noted that it seems the word "password" was injected into the contraversy when such was not the case.

Posted by: artemis at March 26, 2012 10:53 AM (2XMD1)


The controversy was certainly not over publicly posted things. An employer can look to his heart's content before an interview.

Posted by: GergS(Dirty Scandi Dog Whistle) at March 26, 2012 07:05 AM (xAtAj)

283 But, in order to get the contract job I am just finishing, I had to sign a waiver for a full background check, including credit history etc. Which I found pretty damn intrusive but the recruiter assured me all they do is check to see if I have a criminal record. Well, if that's the case why did I just sign a pages long document of things that I just gave you the right to search for?

The credit check thing is pretty common.  They're looking for anything that could be used to compromise you or blackmail you.  If you have money issues, then you may be open to bribes, if you have a mistress then you'd be open to blackmail, that kind of stuff.

Posted by: Alex at March 26, 2012 07:06 AM (tlK1P)

284 @285 My husband has always had to have a full background check for the past 15 years or so, but he was doing a lot of financial work. What surprised me somewhat is I had to have one done to volunteer at our local museum. I guess it makes sense (the art is valuable), but it still seemed weird.

Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 07:06 AM (5H6zj)

285 there was a march in phx for trayvon.....some white brown female was interviewed....she said no one is doing anything about trayvon except them!!!! because marching does what exactly........

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 26, 2012 07:07 AM (Ho2rs)

286 My God, I'm rereading the Cheney thread (probably my 6th time) and still laughing so hard I'm crying.

I wonder if Cheney ever read the thread?  You know someone had to point it out to him.

Shamefaced admission, I've told the "night of the sodomizing cougar-man" joke in mixed company (cons and libs).  That joke just kills.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 26, 2012 07:07 AM (Di+OU)

287 The MBM seems to have gone quiet on the Trayvon thing. Strange, since these are people who talk about a story with racial elements long after we're tired of hearing about it. Maybe a precipitous drop in poll numbers with Hispanics? Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2012 11:05 AM (Y+DPZ) that is the problem with running as a cipher, once you need to start governing and making decisions you lose your ability to be everything to everyone.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 07:08 AM (Z9EHQ)

288

Hey, have there been any updates from the Saga of Stuck-on-Stupid?

 

Last one I'd read, he'd gotten a new, top-of-the-line computer after "someone" had dumped a soda on his previous one.  This was probably a good week or two ago, so I'm sure there's an update or two since, but I can never seem to find them...  Links, or at least a "it's in thread x" pointer.

Posted by: reason at March 26, 2012 07:09 AM (q/kmn)

289 @286

That's because they won't be able to control the narrative and they can't figure out how to play this thing, because  one look at the "White Hispanic" and  you'll have the Latino community up in arms.

Not good for business or the Democrats/MBM

Posted by: McLovin at March 26, 2012 07:09 AM (j0IcY)

290

"there was a march in phx for trayvon.....some white brown female was interviewed....she said no one is doing anything about trayvon except them!!!!"

 

What, pray-tell, "needs" to be done in the first place?

Posted by: reason at March 26, 2012 07:10 AM (q/kmn)

291

Shamefaced admission, I've told the "night of the sodomizing cougar-man" joke in mixed company (cons and libs). That joke just kills.

 

I was there sir, it was no joking matter.

Posted by: Felina from Rosa's Cantina at March 26, 2012 07:11 AM (z4Sl7)

292 The MBM seems to have gone quiet on the Trayvon thing. Strange, since these are people who talk about a story with racial elements long after we're tired of hearing about it.

Maybe a precipitous drop in poll numbers with Hispanics?


Heh.  I predicted in a discussion with my father that we'd see a week or two of Trayvon coverage, and then the media would drop it completely once it started to backfire.  They need outrage to gin up support among blacks, but they can't afford to alienate Hispanic voters. 

Posted by: Alex at March 26, 2012 07:11 AM (tlK1P)

293 because marching does what exactly........

It proves the marchers CARE. Proving one is well informed isn't important to these people.

Posted by: Retread at March 26, 2012 07:11 AM (joSBv)

294 Oh no, Jane... sending them your way.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 26, 2012 07:13 AM (MUpmA)

295 Here's a news story I had completely missed, from last fall. Hazing problems at FAMU (and at other HBCs in their band programs). http://tinyurl.com/ckmkfgy I caught the tail end of an interview with the FAMU president on ESPN or some place. He was doing a nice job, but of course the interviewer kept interrupting him.

Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 07:14 AM (5H6zj)

296 Tell me, culturally or ethnically, what the hell a central american indian who speaks an indigenous language has in common with a half-portugese half-african-via-the-caribean south american? Because it's usefull, the larger the group is, the more political power it wields. Jews use to not be white, but now they are white. They turned white! Hispanics use to not be white, but now some of them are too. Italians use to not be white. Greeks are 'white' but they have more in common with Turks than they do with Norwegians. It's very subject to change. It's not even based on skin color. It's politics. Posted by: Entropy at March 26, 2012 11:05 AM (TULs6) the left is inherently irrational. the reason the never answer questions or discuss anything is because if extended to their "logical" conclusions their arguments are absurd. the distinctino between white and everyone else is the degree of assimilation. once a group has embraced American culture and benefitted form it they are white. so long as they refuse to avail themelves of the opportunities presented by America they can remain non-white. oddly, a lot of people seem to want to be white. there may be a lot of people who "are all whatshisname in hoodies", but a lot more seem to be interested in being American.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 07:15 AM (Z9EHQ)

297

 The MBM seems to have gone quiet on the Trayvon thing. Strange, since these are people who talk about a story with racial elements long after we're tired of hearing about it.

I haven't seen this. We have CNN playing in my firm's break area (the happy medium between MSLSD and Fox) and the talking heads were chatting about Evil Whitey. Well, that and how stupid the country is for not understanding that Obamacare is wonderful after all this time.

And Philly's Mayor Squidward went on record as saying that Treyvon's killing was an "assasination". He also admitted that he knows nothing about the case except what he's seen on the MSM. He did NOT admit that commenting on a case that happened a month ago and 1,000 miles away while info is still trickling out, in a city which has an epidemic of crime committed by hoodie-wearing jackals, might be a bit imprudent and incendiary.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 26, 2012 07:15 AM (YmPwQ)

298 They need outrage to gin up support among blacks, but they can't afford to alienate Hispanic voters.

Worse, for them, it keep seeming more and more (from what I'm seeing) that this is exactly what it seemed when the police originally investigated: a man shot a teen (who turns out to have been unarmed) in self-defense- after suffering a broken nose and a contusion to the back of the head (that latter one being the real cause of concern: it's not all that hard to kill someone by pounding their head into the pavement, even if you're the proverbial 98lb weakling).

We can certainly talk about the failures of judgement that led to the shooting, but the shooting itself seems to be exactly what the police said from the beginning.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 26, 2012 07:15 AM (8y9MW)

299 @DrewMTips Any reports from SCOTUS on the only important matter: Did Anthony Kennedy seem to enjoy his breakfast this morning and is in a good mood?

Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 07:17 AM (5H6zj)

300 For those asking about StuckonStupid, the girl he met during while it was all going on, Hummingbird, stopped by Saturday night to say hello.  She was very nice.

I'm hoping for a happy ending to the story.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 26, 2012 07:17 AM (Di+OU)

301

He (Nutter) did NOT admit that commenting on a case that happened a month ago and 1,000 miles away while info is still trickling out, WHILE ACTING AS MAYOR of a  city which has an epidemic of crime committed by hoodie-wearing jackals, might be a bit imprudent and incendiary.

 

Fixed it for me.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 26, 2012 07:18 AM (YmPwQ)

302 I'm hoping for a happy ending to the story. Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 26, 2012 11:17 AM ---- Be careful what you say. "Happy ending" has a very specific meaning around here! ;-)

Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 07:18 AM (5H6zj)

303 Is the out of welock birth rate the same for hispanics as for african Americans? I would guess not - really what is the likelihood a disaster like that could be replicated? If it is not it will be interesting as asociological experiment to see how hispanics and african Americans fare economically in the next decade or so. you are going to have some real anger if a gap appears between the hispanics, even if it is only the white hispanics, and african Americans.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 07:18 AM (Z9EHQ)

304

Mornin ya'll.

 

Oh, they're still stroking the Trayvon thing.....Fox just did an update on it. ....Showed some snipets of  videos of the night it happened, when police had gotten to the scene....and what various people are saying about the case.

 

....Zimmerman has gone into hiding because of all the death threats. His friends are speaking out on his behalf, saying that he acted in self defense after being attacked.

 

Any MSM coverage of the white students gunned down in MS? ....I haven't seen any.

Posted by: wheatie at March 26, 2012 07:19 AM (dEMjC)

305 *winks at Y-Not*

Let's call that being economical using my words.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 26, 2012 07:20 AM (Di+OU)

306 He didNOT admit that commenting on a case that happened a month ago and 1,000 miles away while info is still trickling out, in a city which has an epidemic of crime committed by hoodie-wearing jackals, might be a bit imprudent and incendiary. Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 26, 2012 11:15 AM (YmPwQ) if anyone does know about murder and assination it would be the mayor of philly. philly did have a problem with people assassinating cops.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 07:22 AM (Z9EHQ)

307 Is the out of welock birth rate the same for hispanics as for african Americans?Posted by: yankeefifth

"Every 1,000 unmarried Hispanic women bore 92 children in 2003 (the latest year for which data exist), compared with 28 children for every 1,000 unmarried white women, 22 for every 1,000 unmarried Asian women, and 66 for every 1,000 unmarried black women. Forty-five percent of all Hispanic births occur outside of marriage, compared with 24 percent of white births and 15 percent of Asian births. Only the percentage of black out-of-wedlock births—68 percent—exceeds the Hispanic rate. But the black population is not going to triple over the next few decades."

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at March 26, 2012 07:23 AM (qOfw/)

308 Hallelujah! Ryan: IÂ’d have to consider an invitation to join the Republican ticket http://tinyurl.com/cfrtfpf In general I don't think VPs matter once they're in (a guy like Rubio would help get votes, but he doesn't have the political heft to actually affect anything once his in; too green), but Paul Ryan could be the exception to the rule. Maybe he could be put in charge of dismantling and reorganizing some agencies if he were VP.

Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 07:25 AM (5H6zj)

309

It's windy today at the EagleCam nest. ....Mom fed the babies and is sitting on them to keep them warm....but you can see their little heads sticking out.

 

http://www.outdoorchannel.com

/Conservation/EagleCam.aspx

 

[had to split the link to get it past Pixy] .....Those are fish carcasses lying around the edge of the nest, btw.

Posted by: wheatie at March 26, 2012 07:26 AM (dEMjC)

310

 philly did have a problem with people assassinating cops.

 

Cops and regular citizens. Our murderers seem to be equal-opportunity killers, the victims are of all races, but the perps sem to be of one. If they aren't shooting each other, they're going on "wilding" trips to Center City and singling out whitey or Asians  but of course, that's a mere coincidence.

And I do not denounce myself. I'm not making a blanket statement. The facts are the facts.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 26, 2012 07:27 AM (YmPwQ)

311 Is the out of welock birth rate the same for hispanics as for african Americans?Posted by: yankeefifth "Every 1,000 unmarried Hispanic women bore 92 children in 2003 (the latest year for which data exist), compared with 28 children for every 1,000 unmarried white women, 22 for every 1,000 unmarried Asian women, and 66 for every 1,000 unmarried black women. Forty-five percent of all Hispanic births occur outside of marriage, compared with 24 percent of white births and 15 percent of Asian births. Only the percentage of black out-of-wedlock births—68 percent—exceeds the Hispanic rate. But the black population is not going to triple over the next few decades." Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 26, 2012 11:23 AM (qOfw/) Well, I a always willing to modify my position based upon logic, reason and information. Thank you.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 26, 2012 07:28 AM (Z9EHQ)

312

"For those asking about StuckonStupid, the girl he met during while it was all going on, Hummingbird, stopped by Saturday night to say hello. She was very nice."

 

Aww, man.  She came here on a Saturday night?  Into an ONT?

That's a bit much for a newbie to take on.  Belly of the Beast level, right there.  I can't help but think she's scarred for life.

 

You've got to take it easy on new people.  Warm them up a little with something like NiceDeb or InnocentBystanders.  Let 'em get a few charts under their belt.  Allow them to fully appreciate our unwavering hatred of iceback Scandis.

Posted by: reason at March 26, 2012 07:30 AM (kZVsz)

313

Re:  Zimmerman - I can't puzzle out why the "hispanic community" isn't angrier about several aspects of this story.  Maybe they will once it becomes common knowledge that a) Zimmerman is, in fact, hispanic, and b) Zimmerman was, in fact, defending himself.

Posted by: reason at March 26, 2012 07:37 AM (kZVsz)

314 Via the Jawa Report (mypetjawa.mu.nu): Doctors described Cheney's new heart as so evil it forced choked the lead surgeon to death as soon as it was started leaving only Dr. Piett to nervously finish the operation. Funny picture over there, too.

Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 07:39 AM (5H6zj)

315 Obama says he'll have more "flexibility" after the election.

Is this not an act of treason? I think this topic should have a flaming skull thread.

Posted by: Typical White Person at March 26, 2012 07:42 AM (EL+OC)

316 No. The monetary system would be destroyed. Inflation (hyper-inflation, actually) destroys currencies. There's nothing more dangerous than playing with the currency in this way.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 26, 2012 11:05 AM (X3lox)

 

 

I think this concern, while prudent, is a bit overblown.  In modern history, all hyperinflationary events have been caused by 1 of 2 things, or a combo.  Those two things are major civil unrest, or debt denominated in a foreign currency.  We don't have either of those two conditions.  This includes both of the usual poster children for hyperinflation - Weimar and Zimbabwe.

Consider the TARP related bank reserves.  Those aren't making into the real economy - they're sitting on balance sheets.  They were the product of asset swaps, and the fed can pull those reserves as fast as they want if we do get overheated.  That alone is a potential brake on inflationary problems.

Here's the thing - we can't have a balanced budget, without creating a contraction due to a shrinking money supply.  That's part of why we had a recession after the Clinton surplus years.  This means some deficit spending (preferably way, way, way less than we have now) is mandatory.  Borrowing it forever isn't the solution.  We should acknowledge the system we have rather than pretend it's a hard currency system.  The rules are similar, but not identical. 

Posted by: Reactionary at March 26, 2012 07:50 AM (xUM1Q)

317 @MichaelRWarren: On Romney call, John Sununu talking about the "temperament." Citing Santorum outburst at NYT Congratulations to Team Romney for making me conclude that I owe Mike Huckabee an apology.

Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 08:01 AM (5H6zj)

318 Which I found pretty damn intrusive but the recruiter assured me all they do is check to see if I have a criminal record. Well, if that's the case why did I just sign a pages long document of things that I just gave you the right to search for? Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle



No reason at all.  Now if you'll please step through the scanner again we need to, uh, check you again.  But it's nothing you should concern yourself about.  Heh-heh.

Posted by: The TSA at March 26, 2012 08:09 AM (/izg2)

319 Vic,

Did it ever occur to you that asking for a Facebook password is an intelligence test? If you are dumb enough to give it to them - they know that you can't be trusted with corporate confidential information - so no job for you.


Posted by: An Observation at March 26, 2012 08:29 AM (ylhEn)

320 If you could please enter the scanner and then put both your arms up over your head this time...maybe jump a couple times...no wait!  Pouty lips.  Make a pouty lip face, too!

Posted by: TSA Agent #2 at March 26, 2012 08:29 AM (F26eZ)

321 Miss, Baby oil *is* a standard part of security screening. Now remove your top...

Posted by: TSA Agent #3 at March 26, 2012 08:32 AM (5H6zj)

322 Did it ever occur to you that asking for a Facebook password is an intelligence test? ---- Doubt it. There was a story last year about some jurisdiction in (iirc) Oregon that was requiring this sort of thing of all job applicants.

Posted by: TSA Agent #3 at March 26, 2012 08:32 AM (5H6zj)

323

Please have a seat inside my office, while I review your travel itinerary.  Yes, through those doors.

Why yes, those are leopard-print velour sheets.

No ma'am.  There is no chair in my office...

...only love.  WAIT, did I just say that out loud?

Posted by: TSA Management at March 26, 2012 09:03 AM (kZVsz)

324 OK, this got a chuckle: @MarkImpomeni: Photo-op FAIL. RT @michaelpfalcone: In San Diego, @MittRomney admires some artificial spines http://t.co/BtkInMlY

Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2012 09:30 AM (5H6zj)

325 Y-not:  please, keep him away from any tech firms showcasing Artificial Intelligence...

Posted by: reason at March 26, 2012 10:41 AM (5npD/)

326 Hi

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Posted by: Escape from Camp 14 ePub at March 28, 2012 06:01 PM (VdybU)

328 North Korea's rocket will launch base to launch in the south, is expected to rocket debris will be part of the western sea in South Korea and the Philippines eastern waters fall. South Korea and the United States both countries the military for tracking "light star 3" and salvage the rockets wreckage, have been sent more vessel has deployed in the waters around, ready for salvage.

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