1 Looking forward to Palin beating perky in the ratings.

2
It's Recovery Summer all over again:

Records show stimulus money created few local jobs

Bucks CountyÂ’s allotment of $75 million in federal stimulus money has stimulated about 82 jobs in an average month over the last three years, according to records released by the federal government.

ThatÂ’s not a cumulative figure, since the jobs have been temporary. And despite Bucks County being home to 154 stimulus projects, only a few of them created even temporary work, according to records published online by the federal American Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board.

Most of the local stimulus allotment, $41 million, went to install traffic cameras and electronic message boards along I-95 in Bensalem and Middletown, according to ARATB. Area school districts received an estimated $23 million in stimulus funds to support education programs.

http://tinyurl.com/d8kw2q5

3 Maybe Couric will try to up her ratings by televising a few more pseudo-lesbo dance moves...

4 Good morning, kids. Sunny, cool and breezy here in NYC. Saw the Doug Ross posting about the potential Israel/Azerbaijani plan for the IDF-AF to use Baku as a launch point for their Iranian airstrkes being leaked by someone high up at State. Heard the actual call and was utterly chilled when the former Marine pilot said that Israel should now consider the US as an existential threat. I fucking hate these tyrants in this regime.

5
My take on Zimmerman is reflected here.

http://tinyurl.com/76n96pu

6 Posted by: CoolCzech at April 02, 2012 07:01 AM (niZvt) I thought Katie Courveh was taking a dump on the dance floor. Either that or her girdle was too tight.

7
At least he's good for a little red meat:

Santorum calls out pollster, pollster responds

Asked about the most recent Franklin & Marshall poll that showed his one-time lead in Pennsylvania nearly gone, former Sen. Rick Santorum attacked the pollster, professor G. Terry Madonna, as a “Democratic hack.”

Madonna, who runs Franklin & MarshallÂ’s Center for Politics and Public Affairs, said Santorum could not have been more wrong. Madonna said he has never conducted a poll for either a political party or any candidate.

http://tinyurl.com/7gxrkhj
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Madonna is the democrat cracksniffer all the PA newspapers go to for political analysis that favors the dems.

8 Mights as well lead off with it: Mittens/Sarah

9 #7

I'm picturing a tweedy professorial type in a pointy bra.

10 Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2012 07:06 AM (/FT0A) Sarah Connor? Sarah Jessica Parker? Sarah Smile...

11 Obama leading Romney by 18 percent among women... Thank you, Reverend Santorum. Thank you, noted egotist Rush Limbaugh. Santorum is increasingly looking like a total, destructive asshole.

12 Speaking of Sarah Jessica Parker, we saw War Horse Saturday. Good movie, and watching Jessica trot in her Manolos was kind of hot.

13 I realize this is always a risky assumption, but if Gabe's quote is correct, it doesn't mean Biden is wrong. Romney is a "little out of touch" with middle class voters. If anything, that's putting it too mildly. Or have we reached a point where we're not supposed to acknowledge anything remotely negative about Candidate Dreamboat?

14

Obama leading Romney by 18 percent among women...

But they only polled democrats 41%-24% repub.........

15 14 - Sshh! We're blaming Rush and Rick right now, you're not allowed to bring facts into the discussion.

16 Sorry Burt, won't happen again

17 The counter argument is 'Obama out of touch with Americans, Basic Economics, Reality.'

18 16 - Good, and then if Palin flames out in her latest circus event, we can blame her too!

19 14 Obama leading Romney by 18 percent among women... But they only polled democrats 41%-24% repub......... Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 02, 2012 07:14 AM (mFxQX) I figured something like that. Are those percentages real, or did you come up with them for illustrative purposes? Thing is this: the Left is right that "narrative" can shape perception, that eventually drives attitudes. Santorum and Newt really need to go away now. And for the record, Santorum is getting visibly frustrated, and starting to snarl at the camera as much as Arlen ever did.

20 My God, I googled "Manolo shoes" to make sure I got the spelling right. $450 for CFM shoes?? What's wrong with girls? They can get the same effect with $12 Ho pumps from Frederics.

21 Yea, they are real, and you are right about Santorum

22 Palin just never IS going to simply go away. Is she?

23 19 - And given the fact that Santorum isn't going to be elected to anything, that's relevant... how? Romney has the nomination, presumably you all should be done taking your victory lap. How's about we DON'T start blaming the also-rans for Romney's weaknesses? If you want to pretend he doesn't have any, fine, but turn your fire onto Obama, that might be more helpful at this point.

24

The last time I watch morning news shows was September 12, 2001.

 

25 Must be sweeps week.  Luckily, I have to go to work today and won't have the opportunity to watch either Sarah or Katie.

26
The wondrous Arab Spring continues to bear fruit:

Islamist group plants flag in Mali's Timbuktu

Residents said on Monday that the ominous black flag of an Islamist rebel faction is now flying over Mali's fabled city of Timbuktu, which over the weekend became the last major government stronghold in the country's north to fall to the rebel advance.
...
In Kidal and Gao, the Islamist faction took the lead early on, and shopkeepers reported that the rebels went from business to business telling merchants to take down pictures deemed un-Islamic. A hairdresser said he was made to take down the photographs he had put up showing different hairstyles because the images showed uncovered women.

http://tinyurl.com/89yrum9

27 And given the fact that Santorum isn't going to be elected to anything, that's relevant... how? Because he keeps giving the MSM their cherished "Etch-a-sketch" moments. Given the fact Santorum isn't going to be elected to anything... Why does he keep doing that?

28 Given the fact Santorum isn't going to be elected to anything... Why does he keep doing that?

Pique, pure and simple.  Not a Presidential quality.

29 "Posted by: BurtTC at April 02, 2012 07:23 AM (Gc/Qi)"


Blow it out your fucking ass, you're the one that spends all your time pissing and moaning and you'll do it till the election. All because you're butt hurt some conservative savior didn't ride in dazzle the electorate. Seven months we have to look forward to this whining from you, joy.

30 Last night, Sixty Minutes has a stinging piece squarely blaming Obama for shutting down the shuttle program.  Brevard County, Florida has been devastated, with businesses closing left and right as NASA workers got laid off.

I hope whoever is our candidate takes full advantage of this...

31
Maybe this will soothe CC's diaper rash:

Santo Will “Step Aside” If Romney Gets 1,144

On "Meet the Press," Pennsylvanian says, "without a doubt," he will exit the race once Romney secures the nomination.

http://tinyurl.com/d9ejsxn

32

Given the fact Santorum isn't going to be elected to anything... Why does he keep doing that?

Remember last year during the first debates when I used lines like "Rick Santorum:  The dental pick to the gum of the Republican Party."?  And then he became the not-Mitt du jour based on what must have been a butterfly flapping its wings in the Amazon Basin somtime in January.  He was, is, and will continue to be a humorless, thin-skinned, hectoring jerk. 

33

On "Meet the Press," Pennsylvanian says, "without a doubt," he will exit the race once Romney secures the nomination.

Water is wet.  Gravity pulls things down.  Fire is hot.

34 Hurray!  The Norks will nuke us all before the election!  Yay!

35

Posted by: alexthechick at April 02, 2012 07:35 AM (Gk3SS)

Are you still working on that new world order?

36 I'm ready, willing and able to do whatever it takes to torpedo the Snowbilly's ratings!

37 Santorum sets my teeth on edge. He needs to drop out. He's doing nothing now except hurting the party. However, I know the type and while they think they are holier than thou, they wouldn't know self-sacrifice if it bit them in the ass.

38
Part of the "new normal"? Man gets capped through his window from across the street. Police claim it's from a "stray bullet":

Police: Stray bullets outside kill man in Pa. home

Authorities in eastern Pennsylvania say a man was killed by what appear to have been stray bullets that entered his home.
...
Reading Sgt. John Solecki says they found nothing, but police returned around noon after neighbors reported shell casings on the sidewalk.

Officers then found two bullets in the front window of a home on the other side of the street.

Inside the first-floor apartment, they found a 40-year-old man dead. His name has not been released pending notification of relatives.

http://tinyurl.com/c4f6gqr
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Must not have been any racial overtones to exploit.

39 On "Meet the Press," Pennsylvanian says, "without a doubt," he will exit the race once Romney secures the nomination.

http://tinyurl.com/d9ejsxn

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at April 02, 2012 07:30 AM (7+pP9)

 

Well that's nice of the whiney little prick.

40 Santorum's fling in the polls was simply a case of survival of the lamest. He was the least effective and least charismatic non-Romney, who was ignored because no one took him seriously until there was no one else. Well played, Santorum. Your imitation of a particularly stubborn limpet bore fruit.

41
Santorum is forcing Romney to become a better candidate. That makes Romneybots cry.

42 I don't see why it might have been an April's Fool joke to have Sarah Palin co-host "The Today Show". She's more attractive than Katie Couric and has had experience as a TV reporter of some sort, and has certainly spent enough time ON the TV. Unless they want to make her look like an idiot, Palin will do fine.

43 Everybody's cranky this morning. Must be Monday.

44 Piqué is not a Presidential quality? Who knew?

45

Santorum has become increasingly shrill and scruntish especially regardy Rumney's money. Unbecoming a so-called conservative. He needs to bugger off. 

*

Maybe the Cuda on a Network broadcast is a good thing. Maybe she can penetrate the haze of the moderate/dem/Oprah soccer mom crowd. Even if for just a day. This could be a toe in the water thing. Network TV is in the crapper becuase of formulaic zombie hosts. Along term gig for Sarah??...We'll see.

*

Morn ya'lls

46 Are you still working on that new world order?


But of course!

47 Please save a slot for me

48 Santorum is forcing Romney to become a better candidate. That makes Romneybots cry.

Because your comments are clearly intended to help the party and its candidate.   Please.

49 We're poor little slugs Who've lost our way. Bang! Bang! Bang!

50 Obama sucks cock

51 27 - But it's Rick Santorum! It's what he does, and I don't think he's going to stop being Rick Santorum anytime soon, so the question is, are you going to stop paying attention to him or not?

52 #43 Agreed, Joncelli. The crankiness is strong with this crowd. We need Vic. The PA man getting hit in his house is no surprise to me since it happens here with alarming frequency. What really is distressing is how many "unidentified bodies" of people have been found just this year around South Texas. It's almost as if the drug cartel wars have started to be played out on this side of the border. Wait, that can't be our borders are sooo secure.

53 #1 I vote we not pay attention to any of them.

54 In fact, today I vote apathy.

55 Real strong dose of apathy.

56
I think Romney is out to get the John Kerry demographic:

On Energy Policy, Another Shift For Romney

...
Back in May of 2006, in the midst of another gas price shock, then-Gov. Romney came to a conclusion similar to Obama's. According to an account from the time in the Patriot Ledger newspaper, Romney objected to a temporary suspension of the state's gas tax, saying he'd rather press for more fuel-efficient vehicles.

The article has him saying, "I'm very much in favor of people recognizing that these high gasoline prices are probably here to stay."

A month later, on the Charlie Rose show, Romney said that the issue of the overuse of energy in our country is a "major issue" and in particular the overuse of oil.

"Look, if we could somehow magically wave a wand over our automobile fleet and replace all of our cars with the current best technology, 35 mpg-type technology, we'd be saving an extraordinary amount of oil," Romney said.
...
In 2004, Romney introduced the Massachusetts Climate Protection Plan. In more than 50 pages, it laid out emissions targets and what it described as a "no-regrets policy" toward climate change.

"This plan is going to reduce pollution. It's going to cut energy demand," Romney said at a press conference. "It's also going to nurture job growth and boost our economy. Because reducing greenhouse gasses has numerous benefits."

http://tinyurl.com/6s4qsth
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Other than his ears and pigmentation, Romney could easily pass as Obama's twin brother.

57 Yep Romney is the second coming of the Obamacrist alright.

58 Maybe even the third iteration

59 Boned

60 Vic?  

Vic?

VIC?

61 29 - Just think, if Romney manages to get elected, some of us will keep (to use your phrase) "pissing and moaning" at him. Why? Because, fortunately or not, he's our candidate. And if he ever becomes an elected official, he needs to hear the voices of his supporters who are critical, and not just those, like yourself, who seem to want to pretend he can do no wrong. I don't know if that's difficult for you to comprehend or not, but I'm not really all that concerned about your feelings.

62
But it's Rick Santorum! It's what he does, and I don't think he's going to stop being Rick Santorum anytime soon, so the question is, are you going to stop paying attention to him or not?

Posted by: BurtTC at April 02, 2012 07:48 AM (Gc/Qi)

Sshh! That'll only make the Romneybots cry louder for their diaper change.

63 Britain is facing a week of snow according to the Daily Express. Remember the dire forecast from Phil Jones and the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit that in the future British children would never see snow again?
 
They should load all the snow into dump trucks and cover the CRU with 40 feet of the stuff.
 
Do it for the children.

64

Hurray! The Norks will nuke us all before the election! Yay!

 

When the Japanese shoot down the "satellite" launch, I will laugh for at least a month.

65 I think Romney is smart enough not to choose Palin.

Michelle Bachmann, however...

66

We'd piss-n-moan if Calvin Coolidge was our nominee.

 

67 We'd piss-n-moan if Calvin Coolidge was our nominee.


Yup.

68 Marco Rubio would be the dream candidate for VP.

69

Just think, if Romney manages to get elected, some of us will keep (to use your phrase) "pissing and moaning" at him.

No...we will hold him accountable.  Just like some of us screamed at Dubya over some of his stupid ideas.  DHS, prescription drugs, etc.

But, since he will be the candidate, it's time for Senator No-Sex-For-Fun to get the hell out.

70 "Posted by: BurtTC at April 02, 2012 07:53 AM (Gc/Qi)"


Spare me you're only doing your civic duty bullshit, you're just a petulant child that going to keep stamping his feet because you didn't get your way. It's nothing more complicated then that.

71 Slow Joe knows all about being in touch. Why just last week, he was in Chicago and shut down 2 expressways during rush hour traffic to travel from O'Hare Airport into the city to attend fundraisers. If that doesn't say man of the people nothing does

72 Apathy does seem to describe my feelings, until I start thinking about President Shank who's running this once great country.

73

Michelle Bachmann, however...

 

And exactly what did she do during her campaign that would lead yout o believe she would be a positive?  Or did I misread your post?

74 Studies indicate that a constant watching of morning news shows can result in brain dysfunction.

75 Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 02, 2012 08:02 AM (B+qrE)

I think that he was poking fun at the idea, and mocking Romney too.

If not? Oh, my! He clearly had a few Gardasil injections.

76 Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 02, 2012 08:01 AM (B+qrE)

Many of the conservative pundits who were cheerleaders for Bush are now successful revisionists -- claiming that they were against his excessive spending. Had the conservatives in this country been more vocal and organized, I wonder if Bush would have gotten the message?

77 Three, count them three, Supreme Court Justices could retire or keel over any minute.  I was never "thrilled" with Romney.  But dagnabit, if Obama gets reelected, it's the end of the Republic.

Santorum lost.  When he loses Wis. and MD tomorrow, please let it be that he "suspends" his campaign.

78 That 'wind map' in the sidebar is so cool. ....It's kinda mesmerizing. ....Thanks for that, rdbrewer.

79

 I wonder if Bush would have gotten the message?

I think so ... remember Harriet Miers

80

I blame global warming for causing it to be so warm that my air conditioner is already acting up.

 

The fact that I live in the south has nothing to do with it.

 

Just trying to figure out what sort of gov't subsity should handle this.

 

Someone should think of the children.

81 OK it's early.  The little gray cells aren't warmed up yet.

I was looking for a VP candidate that the TEA Party would like.  Bachmann came to mind.   Are you thinking Uncle Crazy?

We need a black-Hispanic, Conservative woman governor.  Does such a person exist?

82 I loved it when Bush would go to Crawford, Texas and the media would have to report from an asphalt road outside of his ranch in 110 degree heat.

83 Posted by: epobirs at April 02, 2012 07:06 AM (kcfmt) Just imagine what the shape of the SCOTUS would be had Gore won in 2000. We now who will be the nominees if - G-d forbid - SCOAMF wins. The question is will a Republican president, especially Romney, have the stones to nominate a Robert Bork and then fight like hell for him? We cannot have any more O'Connors, Souters or Kennedys, let alone wiseass Latinas, chubby lesbian apparatchiks, or Bader-Meinhoff Ginsburgs. It will be the end of us all.

84 I wonder if Bush would have gotten the message?


Just by his words alone after a lot of screaming, gas prices did go down.

85 @55 Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at April 02, 2012 07:50 AM (7+pP9) Eh, I've been ABR for most of this primary, but I've never considered Santorum a strong candidate. As the fightin'ist, fighting' Socon that ever fought, he's too easily baited by the media and taken off message. He has Socon cred already. His message should be nothing but jobs, the economy, energy production, Obama's harm to national interest. But no, he's got to be the fighin'ist Socon that ever etc etc etc. Newt blew it by being *surprise* undisciplined. So who's left? Ron Paul? Please. Romney is a weak candidate as well. Just the (barely) strongest of a bad batch. I'll vote against him in the primary to send a message and push him to the right, but really who else is there? My only hope is that the guy who ran Bain shows up on Inauguration Day and not the governor of Assachusetts.

86 Had the conservatives in this country been more vocal and organized, I wonder if Bush would have gotten the message?

GW Bush was why the original Tea Parties started. And no, they didn't listen and passed TARP. At the first one here in Austin Rick Perry was booed off the stage. Since then the Republican Party Machine infiltrated and is now steering much of it. Guys like Jim Hoft who only see it as a opportunity to push for GOP bullshit.

87 Someone should think of the children.



I'll be thinking about the girls!

88

Tom Maguire at Just One Minute dot Typepad dot com has had some good stuff on the whole Martin/Zimmerman thing.

 

If you can stand to hear any more...

89
Slow Joe knows all about being in touch. Why just last week, he was in Chicago and shut down 2 expressways during rush hour traffic to travel from O'Hare Airport into the city to attend fundraisers. If that doesn't say man of the people nothing does

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 02, 2012 08:01 AM (c4zsL)

And Obama is so worried about the Mighty Willard Romney he's appointed Sheriff Imbecile as his point man to take on Mittens:

Joe Biden leads Obama campaign assault on Mitt Romney

The shape of a general election battle between Mitt Romney and President Obama came into sharper focus Sunday as Vice President Joe Biden led an administration assault on the potential Republican nominee.

Biden took on Romney across a wide array of topics in a television interview, describing him as out of touch with the middle class and out of his depth on foreign affairs.

http://tinyurl.com/cxovm3e
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Is Romney up to the task to combat Slow Joe? Intrade has Biden up by forty!

90

WASHINGTON (AP) — A major donor to President Barack Obama has been accused of defrauding a businessman and impersonating a bank official, creating new headaches for Obama's re-election campaign as it deals with the questionable history of another top supporter.

Barry is connected to crooks? Blago and Tony Rzeko can't believe it. Pure, innocent scandal free Barry seems to have a lot of associates who are crooks or in jail

91 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

92 Which moron hit the lottery?  Who is missing this AM.

93 Can we all acknowledge now that Ed Anger is a troll?  If he isn't, please explain how his behavior is different than one.

94 No Vic? My coffee is getting cold.

95 In related news, Trayvon is still dead.  Too soon?

96

>>We need a black-Hispanic, Conservative woman governor.

 

You forgot disabled lesbian dwarf.

 

Do I ALWAYS have to remind you people about disabled lesbian dwarfs??

97 I think Vic posted yesterday that he had to take care of Wife/Doctor stuff today

98 Or have we reached a point where we're not supposed to acknowledge anything remotely negative about Candidate Dreamboat?

I suspect the point is the hypocrisy (that most evil of sins, if you believe Democrats) of Joe Biden calling anyone "out of touch" with anything- let alone the middle class.

99 97 >>We need a black-Hispanic, Conservative woman governor.

You forgot disabled lesbian dwarf.

Do I ALWAYS have to remind you people about disabled lesbian dwarfs??

Posted by: Mama AJ, put upon, so very put upon at April 02, 2012 08:25 AM (XdlcF)

 

I am so offended and feel victimized.  My wife is a black-hispanic conservative disabled lesbian dwarf.

100

@96  Too soon?

No.

101
Can we all acknowledge now that Ed Anger is a troll? If he isn't, please explain how his behavior is different than one.

Posted by: pep at April 02, 2012 08:23 AM (YXmuI)

I've already said Santorum is dead to me -- I'm not voting for him.

But you've got to wake up and smell the diaper pail. Romney is less conservative than any Republican except Scott Brown. He must be pushed to the right.

And I will *gasp* vote him in the general in memory of Brietbart.

102 I listened to the tape of Biden and he was speaking with an Indian accent.
So no, he's not out of touch

103 Romney is less conservative than any Republican except Scott Brown. He must be pushed to the right.

And you do that by protest and rallies along the line of the Obamacare vote protests. word

104 Ahem
Posted by: The Maine Sisters at April 02, 2012 08:31 AM
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I missed it by *that* much.

105 In related news, Trayvon is still dead. Too soon?



It's been more than three days.  You'd think they know he's nothing like me.

106 Morning all.

107 It's been more than three days. You'd think they know he's nothing like me. Posted by: Jesus at April 02, 2012 08:36 AM (/izg2) So your saying you were not big on skittles?

108 Good to see how much benefit the stimulus has brought to Bucks County, the wealthiest county in PA and not too long ago in the top 20 nationally...

109
Ahem

Posted by: The Maine Sisters at April 02, 2012 08:31 AM (7FadD)

C'mon girls -- admit it. You want a three-way with Willard.

110 So, on that "Obama wants to see Romney's Tax Returns"  has Romney come out with his statement saying, "Yes, absolutely Mr. President.  Just as soon as you release all your college transcripts and your tax returns from the 90's and 2000's (mine we released as part of previous campaigns)?"

111 @106 Agreed. Let's get a horse into the gate for the race and make sure he wins.
Even if it it only the horses ass.

112 American Thinker has an interesting piece up titled 'Holder's Revenge' where they captured this recent quote from him:
 
Attorney General Holder recently addressed the question of affirmative action, and for how long it would be required.  He answered, stunningly, that reverse discrimination has only just begun: "Affirmative action has been an issue since segregation practices," Holder said.  "The question is not when does it end, but when does it begin[.] ... When do people of color truly get the benefits to which they are entitled?"

http://tinyurl.com/d4sbjr4
 
The ole race card is just warming up.

113 Does anyone here like to read "Spengler?"  (David P. Goldman)

Today's column is worth reading.  Amazingly apropo to our discussion of Romney vs. Santorum

http://tinyurl.com/7so645x

114 Attorney General Holder recently addressed the question of affirmative action, and for how long it would be required. He answered, stunningly, that reverse discrimination has only just begun: "Affirmative action has been an issue since segregation practices," Holder said. "The question is not when does it end, but when does it begin[.] ... When do people of color truly get the benefits to which they are entitled?" http://tinyurl.com/d4sbjr4 The ole race card is just warming up. Posted by: GnuBreed at April 02, 2012 08:41 AM (cHZB7) Just goes to show ya, if you open the front gate and don't put a guard post there, almost anything might wander in and piss in the pool

115 >>$450 for CFM shoes??

That seems kinda cheap for designer shoes.  Next stop: Manolo for Target.

>>She's more attractive than Katie Couric and has had experience as a TV reporter of some sort, and has certainly spent enough time ON the TV.

They didn't renew Chelsea Clinton's contract. Turns out looks and experience are necessary for national TV news.  Heh.

I wonder if Palin will be allowed to say stuff like, "Hey, wait a minute, y'all edited this 9-1-1 call to make the shooter look like a racist" without getting fired.

116 110, lesson learned - don't bring skittles to gun fight

117

Maybe, just maybe, you should direct your anger at Santorum.

 

Romney set the bar incredibly low and yet Rick keeps banging his forehead against it. That's not Romney's fault, that's Santorum's fault. I was a Perry supporter and I didn't blame Romney for the stupid shit Perry did

 

Personal accountability is the cornerstone of conservatism. Until you don't get your way, I guess. Quit your whining.

118 >>When do people of color truly get the benefits to which they are entitled?

The benefit of being judged on their talents, work, and character instead of their skin and the actions of other people similarly hued?  Apparently never.

119 $450 for a pari of shoes....were they on sale or something?

120 Hey, where be Vic?

121 Hey, where be Vic?
see 98

122 I thought they were way too harsh on Chelsea, Megan still has a job, doesn't she,

123 Wow.  Who would have thunk that an Obama Campaign bundler could ever be accused of fraud?  How is this possible?

124

Last night,  my local Fox channel had a church's Trayvon sermon (w/ preacher in a hoodie) as the 2nd lead story.  The reporterette used the misleading "he was killed because he was suspicious and wearing a hoodie" point from the edited NBC tapes.  The interview soundbites with the hoodie wearing preacher made no sense whatsoever - "not a time for sadness or anger, but to celebrate the meaning of his life."

 

WTF, Fox?  The mutants have taken over.

125 thanks, PT

126

Zimmerman's support is rising and Trayvon's is crumbling, even with all the MSM propaganda. Obama is now in cover his brown ass mode.

Wait until a large defense fund is set up for Zimmerman (baring any actual negative evidence popping out). That fund will be filled up in about a second.

127 Marco Rubio would be the dream candidate for VP.
-----
Yes. He is very clean and articulate.He is also, well hell I don't know. Definitely clean and articulate.

I am sure he could solidify support amongst the Lionel Sosa/Linda Chavez wing of the party.

128 When do people of color truly get the benefits to which they are entitled?"




Thank you Derrick Bell. Thanks for making up a destructive theory that pieces of shit like Holder can cling to. Thanks for not having any true scholarship and resorting to radical marxism to make yourself noteworthy. Thanks for foisting this Obama demon on us because you were too stupid to do anything but make noise. Fucker.

129 Who would have thunk that an Obama Campaign bundler could ever be accused of fraud? How is this possible? Posted by: Fritz at April 02, 2012 08:56 AM (/ZZCn) What ever happened to the Joe Smith's of the World? I mean...Abake Assongba?

130 The interview soundbites with the hoodie wearing preacher made no sense whatsoever - "not a time for sadness or anger, but to celebrate the meaning of his life."

WTF, Fox? The mutants have taken over.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 02, 2012 08:57 AM (4q5tP)

 

His life had no fucking meaning. Whatsoever.

131

I don't trust NBC one bit. ....The chances are, they are doing this to get as many 'gotcha' moments as they can, out of Sarah Palin. ....So I am rooting for her to do well.

 

Why hasn't Fox done something like this? ....Palin has a contract with them. You'd think that they would have been putting her on to sub for other people, from time to time. ...Didn't Palin get a degree in journalism?

132

I miss lace wigs.

Just had to say that...

133 Wait until a large defense fund is set up for Zimmerman (baring any actual negative evidence popping out). That fund will be filled up in about a second. Posted by: TexasJew at April 02, 2012 08:58 AM (z8HSj) Hasn't some Texas Gun Group already set some kind of fund up? And a good morning from NJJew, even though I don't use that for my Nic

134 126 Posted by: Cthluthu at April 02, 2012 08:53 AM (pAldu)
 
Appears to be an imposter; wrong hash and can't even spell the name he/she is imitating. Banhammer please if so. Here is 'our' cthulhu:
 
Posted by: cthulhu at April 02, 2012 01:13 AM (kaalw)

135 Zimmerman's support is rising and Trayvon's is crumbling, even with all the MSM propaganda

The truly sad thing here is that, until the MFM made it so, Zimmerman was not some Great Conservative Cause.  He was just a guy who we (many of us) looked at and thought- "well, this could go either way.  Let's not rush to judgement, but wait until the facts come out."

By pushing the "unarmed teen, gunned down by..." meme, Zimmerman forced 2nd A defenders and Conservatives more generally to dig into the facts in a way we might not have otherwise, and thus discover the more likely truth- that Zimmerman was, in fact, acting in self-defense.

To get their chose result, all the Media probably had to do was nothing.  Instead, they pushed the issue and Conservatives pushed back.

This also serves as more good evidence of the waning influence of the Media.

136 >>And I will *gasp* vote him in the general in memory of Brietbart.

I'm attending a local "meet the candidates for state senate" night on Thursday, sponsored by the county Republican Women.  Since I don't own any Republican Women clothes (I barely own women's clothes), I'm planning on wearing my Breitbart shirt.

I need some local friends. Anyone who recognizes the shirt in an approving way would be a good start.

137 To get their chose result, all the Media probably had to do was nothing. Instead, they pushed the issue and Conservatives pushed back. This also serves as more good evidence of the waning influence of the Media. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 09:02 AM (8y9MW) Yeah exactly. I was not looking to defend Zimmermann, I was/am just interested in him getting a fair shake and not to be railroaded by the professional Race Hustlers. But unfortunetaly I think he is fucked

138 On a completely different note: Has anyone heard of the book "Toxic Charity: how churches and charities hurt those they try to help (and how to reverse it)"?

My brother, the librarian, was telling me about it the other day, and it seems pretty interesting based on his description.

139
Thank you Derrick Bell. Thanks for making up a destructive theory that pieces of shit like Holder can cling to. Thanks for not having any true scholarship and resorting to radical marxism to make yourself noteworthy. Thanks for foisting this Obama demon on us because you were too stupid to do anything but make noise. Fucker.

Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2012 08:59 AM (CMM9V)

No , thank media and mccain for covering up this.

140 But unfortunetaly I think he is fucked

I don't think so.  I think too much is coming out to get him convicted.  The people I think are screwed are the DA's office.  Think about it- they're almost going to have to file charges, due to political pressure, and then they're almost certain (based on what we currently know) to lose in court (especially when the defense successfully gets the venue moved and the jurors sequestered).

Losing high-profile cases in court is toxic for a DA's career.  Even if the DA would have preferred not to file charges in the first place.

141 >>I was not looking to defend Zimmermann, I was/am just interested in him getting a fair shake and not to be railroaded by the professional Race Hustlers.

Yeah, my interest is in getting people to realize the people on TV are deliberately lying to them to manipulate them.

But people seem really eager to be used.

142 Being a Duke grad, I followed the Duke Lax case very closely. In fact I still read the blogs that came from it. I remember the day that the story broke and even my husband thought that "it was possible". I knew instantly it wasn't. At least in this case the prosecutors weren't trying to score votes by lying about the guilt. If the town of Sanford was majority black or libtard Zimmerman would probably be toast.


*Waves at Mike Nifong*

143

Who would have thunk that an Obama Campaign bundler could ever be accused of fraud? How is this possible?

 

The mind, it boggles.

144 I don't think so. I think too much is coming out to get him convicted. The people I think are screwed are the DA's office. Think about it- they're almost going to have to file charges, due to political pressure, and then they're almost certain (based on what we currently know) to lose in court (especially when the defense successfully gets the venue moved and the jurors sequestered). Losing high-profile cases in court is toxic for a DA's career. Even if the DA would have preferred not to file charges in the first place. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 09:07 AM (8y9MW) I hear ya and hope your right, but in a case like this even if Zimmermann wins he loses. His life will be ruined and he will be financially crushed.

145 It's World Autism Day.

I know nothing about it and probably won't be able to google 'till I grab a bite at work. I know there are some Morons & Moronettes with autistic kids. Question: Is this a decent organization that sponsors this?

Honest question by a Moron that's just plain ignorant.

146 Oops. Make that Autism *Awareness* Day.

147 Oops. Make that Autism *Awareness* Day. Posted by: Contemplative Lobster at April 02, 2012 09:10 AM (+rBDt) Yeah the numbers are rising dramatically. It is alarming. I'd like to know if those dramatic rise in numbers is world wide or only in the West?

148 150, until he sues NBC for that doctored tape.

149 Wimmens in luv with Baraka, or so sayeth the polling that sez he leads in crucial swing states because wimmens hate Romney, Sanctorium, shit, any Republican.

150 Posted by: nevergiveup at April 02, 2012 09:11 AM (i6RpT)

My bet is that the numbers are rising because of:

1. Much better reporting
2. Changing definition of Autism
3. Much more sensitivity to any behaviors outside of the norm.

151 until he sues NBC for that doctored tape.
Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2012 09:13 AM
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I would love a full weigh-in from all the J.D.s in the Moron Horde regarding the possibility thereof. Especially if there are stompy boots involved (ATC?!).

152 153 I have a great nephew that's autistic. He is obviously so and the schools have him diagnosed as such and in a special class with only one other kid. His (divorced) parents, however, won't admit it and are in la la land. He could have been helped more if they had or would face it.

These kids are definitely born that way. I think that there is either a birth component, more diagnoses being made, or an environmental component with the parents like excessive pot smoking that has increased the incidence. I just don't know if it could be genetic with the incidences rising so dramatically.

153 His life will be ruined and he will be financially crushed.

Possibly- there's a slim chance it won't.

NBC really stepped in it with their deceptively edited 9-1-1 tape.  And the other channel (ABC?  CBS?) did the same thing with their deceptively edited video.  Since George Zimmerman is not a "public figure," he should have good grounds for a defamation suit if the DA still refuses to file charges, or the grand jury refuses to indict.  In either case, Zimmerman can say, "Even a cursory examination of the facts proves that I did not kill that poor boy out of malice, let alone out of racism.  My life and reputation have been utterly destroyed by objectively defamatory practices.  I demand a full retraction, and 17 gajillion dollars."

Even if he doesn't end up taking it to court, they'll probably settle, and he'll get at least some help in getting his financial house in order.  Getting his reputation back will be a rather taller order.

154 68 Marco Rubio would be the dream candidate for VP.

Posted by: CoolCzech at April 02, 2012 08:00 AM (niZvt)***

Can someone here explain exactly *why* this is so?  What he's actually accomplished, please, not the usual nonsense about making Mexicans vote Republican because they have a Cuban VP candidate.

155 I, for one, am glad to see the DOOOOOOOM return, if only a smidgeon.

156 On a completely different note: Has anyone heard of the book "Toxic Charity: how churches and charities hurt those they try to help (and how to reverse it)"? Is the solution a government program?

157 Because Rubio is *hot*. He will also pull in the tea party and the purist conservatives who otherwise would "stay home". (idiots)

158 Think about Zimmerman's case: The editing of that clip wasn't just libel, it helped more endanger his life.

159 Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2012 09:17 AM (CMM9V)

At least part of it is greater sensitivity of diagnosis.  My oldest brother has been told by his doctor (in the last 5 or 6 years) that if they'd seen him now when he was 4 or 5 years old, they probably would have diagnosed him on the autism spectrum (so light that it's almost not worth noting, but still).  He also has dyslexia and dysgraphia.

My other brother and I suffer from none of those, and neither do my parents or (to my knowledge) my grandparents.

Part of me wonders if- like ADHD in the late 90's and early 2000's, Autism is becoming the "we don't understand why you misbehave" diagnosis du jor.

160 Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson and Paul Ryan prank Mitt Romney on April Fool's Day

http://wapo.st/Hdr5XY

161 Think about Zimmerman's case: The editing of that clip wasn't just libel, it helped more endanger his life. Posted by: nickless at April 02, 2012 09:21 AM
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Agreed, but just how hard is it to prove "malice" in a case like this?

162 Is the solution a government program?

My understanding is that it isn't.  The author apparently talks about the damage "pure" charity (giving people something for nothing) is doing to urban families and such.  He suggest, rather than just giving people food or clothes, that churches open thrift stores and sell the food or clothing for ridiculously low prices.  Then you're still being charitable by getting food and clothes to those who otherwise couldn't afford it, but they still have to incur some cost to do so.  It (he says) helps reduce the dependency and entitlement mentalities that "pure" charity can tend to create.

That's based entirely off Amazon reviews and the minute-and-a-half or so that my brother was telling me about it, though.  I'm hoping one of the Moron's (or Ette's) has read it.

And I don't get on the computer on Sunday, so I can't ask the Sunday Book Thread.

163 Agreed, but just how hard is it to prove "malice" in a case like this?

Posted by: Contemplative Lobster at April 02, 2012 09:24 AM (+rBDt)

Does it have to be malice for them to pay?

164 In my former life I worked at a school for the Autistic and Severely Handicapped.  These were children whose autism was so severe that they were non-verbal.  My heart goes out to parents of these kids.  Growing up with a brother who was mentally retarded, I know the strains a handicapped child puts on the whole family.

165 Does it have to be malice for them to pay?

I don't think it does.  I think (but: IANAL) that it just has to be deliberate, and known (at the time) to be misleading.

166 At least they didn't call Zimmerman a slut. Now that would have been devastating.

167 Ironically, now George Zimmerman will be afraid of black people for the rest of his life. Thanks for all the healing, Obama, Sharpton, etc.

168 Does it have to be malice for them to pay?
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 02, 2012 09:26 AM
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My VERY limited understanding is yes, if you wish to win a libel case. A settlement, though? Who knows.

169 Trouble with stray bullets is you don't know if they've had their shots.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2012 09:27 AM (v+QvA)

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170 >>The author apparently talks about the damage "pure" charity (giving people something for nothing) is doing to urban families and such.

...so the government's approach is wrong. Big shock.

171 Agreed, but just how hard is it to prove "malice" in a case like this?



Is "reckless disregard" a legal standard of some sort?  Should be easier to prove something like that.

172 "President Obama has opened the first significant lead of the 2012 campaign in the nationÂ’s dozen top battleground states, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, boosted by a huge shift of women to his side. In the fifth Swing States survey taken since last fall, Obama leads Republican front-runner Mitt Romney 51%-42% among registered voters just a month after the president had trailed him by two percentage points. The biggest change came among women under 50. In mid-February, just under half of those voters supported Obama. Now more than six in 10 do while RomneyÂ’s support among them has dropped by 14 points, to 30%. The president leads him 2-1 in this group."

173 Agreed, but just how hard is it to prove "malice" in a case like this? Posted by: Contemplative Lobster at April 02, 2012 09:24 AM (+rBDt) There also has to demonstrateable damages.

174 Rett's Syndrome is a genetic disease, clearly diagnosable via marker, that is now "in the spectrum" A lot of Rett's parents fought the reclassification, because everything ELSE on the spectrum is not a specific disease, but rather a collection of symptoms. There is no disease Autism. There are children who exhibit Autistic symptoms, some moreso than others. So, including Rett's I think really muddies the waters. I care about this because my own child has mild Tourettes. Which again, is a specific, identifiable disease which was noted at 3 months old (and is much, much improved and you'd never even know). Tic disorders are on the order of 5 percent of children. They almost ALWAYS completely self-resolve or are treatable via therapies. Guess what they want to put "on the spectrum" next? And again, WE (Tourette's parents and people) don't want that. But someone does? To grow the ASD group, and get more moneys. Me, myself - don't muddy the waters. Focus the moneys and medical/scientific investigations PROPERLY. Cure/treat Retts as best you can! Cure/treat Tourettes as best you can! And if you stop smushing everything together, maybe you can identify types of ASDs that are distinct, or maybe have a more specific diagnoses? Anyway that's what's happening, from my "lookout."

175

The more things change.....

 

http://is.gd/KCzk7V

176 G-D damit I told Ace we have to get better locks on that front gate

177 ...so the government's approach is wrong. Big shock.

Yeah.  But so is that of most Churches and charities.  Which is who he's really addressing.

I've had the vague sense of this myself ever since championing and starting the food pantry at my own church.  I'd like to see if his ideas line up with mine, and what we (my church) might do about it.

178

Part of me wonders if- like ADHD in the late 90's and early 2000's, Autism is becoming the "we don't understand why you misbehave" diagnosis du jor.<<<

 

Because psychological "diagnoses" are only a description of behaviors - they don't necessarily point to the cause. And they certainly dont point to a cure.

 

It's very frustrating for the families involved.

179 EoJ and others - I also am given to understand there is a push (mostly by special-needs servicers) to get ADHD put "on the spectrum." I want to stress that I truly believe there is something serious going on here with Autism. I'd love to see it clearly looked at. but you can't treat or cure it if you don't define it! And just growing the group via addition is not helping anyone (except charities/services that make money off this)

180 My sister has a beautiful little girl with Rhett Syndrome. She will probably not make it past seven yrs old. It's been brutal.

181 173 At least they didn't call Zimmerman a slut. Now that would have been devastating.

Posted by: S. Flook at April 02, 2012 09:28 AM (8ieXv)

You know , that's because media got standards , and Limbaugh has none..

182 #187 - oh, that's heartbreaking. I'm about to check but I think Turners (another identifiable genetic disease) is also now "on the spectrum" I remember people in the Turners community fighting that too

183 My bet is that the numbers are rising because of:

1. Much better reporting
2. Changing definition of Autism
3. Much more sensitivity to any behaviors outside of the norm.

Or maybe it's the new science pioneered by the AGW cultists. Just make shit up to get the answer you want.

184 Hasn't some Texas Gun Group already set some kind of fund up? And a good morning from NJJew, even though I don't use that for my Nic

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 02, 2012 09:01 AM (i6RpT)

Nothing I belong to. And good morning back to you!

185

....."Gunned down". .....It's been pissing me off to hear news people using this phrase, over and over.

 

Saying that Trayvon was "gunned down" by Zimmerman makes it sound like it was some sort of driveby situation. ....Zimmerman was on his back when he fired at Trayvon who was sitting on top of him. ....So if anything, it was more of a case of "gunned up".

186

Yeah the numbers are rising dramatically. It is alarming. I'd like to know if those dramatic rise in numbers is world wide or only in the West?

 

I think the rise is due to multiple factors, including better diagnosis, more disorders being lumped into the autism spectrum and, unfortunately, the urge to brand any odd behavior as a disorder. There's some really interesting discussions about how being an extrovert is considered the baseline and deviations towards being an introvert are deemed problematic.

187 So if anything,it was more of a case of "gunned up".

I like the rather more clinical "shot," or "killed."  "Slain" if you want sensational.  But you're right- "gunned down" sounds like "murder," which this wasn't, even if it is some kind of Manslaughter (which also, now, seems unlikely).

188 I also am given to understand there is a push (mostly by special-needs servicers) to get ADHD put "on the spectrum."

I want to stress that I truly believe there is something serious going on here with Autism. I'd love to see it clearly looked at. but you can't treat or cure it if you don't define it! And just growing the group via addition is not helping anyone (except charities/services that make money off this) Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 02, 2012 09:34 AM


It all comes down to the  money.  If you can grow the group, the "incidence of autism" rises dramatically, which funnels more money into the autism fields of service.  Government grants, federal subsidies to schools, etc.  It provides a bigger block for handouts, because orphan diagnoses rarely get targeted monies. 

189 My day is complete when I can go to AoSHQ and post poll results to the wingnuts.

190 There's some really interesting discussions about how being an extrovert is considered the baseline and deviations towards being an introvert are deemed problematic.

As a fairly extreme introvert (except on the internetz), I'd like to say "F You."

But that's way outside my comfort zone.

191 Yeah the numbers are rising dramatically. It is alarming. I'd like to know if those dramatic rise in numbers is world wide or only in the West? The rise is only in the USA so, that in itself is telling. it's environmental - as in, the financial-incentive environment And Alex - yes! These are mostly small (very small!) children being diagnosed all over the place. School itself is set up in a way that inhibits, stresses and in general is horrifying for Introverts. So, as you say, we now have a VERY narrow range of "normal" behavior for very young children. Everything is pathologized.

192

180.....There also has to demonstrateable damages.

 

Well, going into hiding is expensive. ....Zimmerman will have to be in hiding for the rest of his life. ....I doubt that he is even able to go to work right now. ....The Black Panthers have put out a 'hit' on him....and even if it is proven that he acted out of fear for his life, there are a lot of people who will never accept that.

193 Oh boy!...first of the month is today!  Can't wait for the mailman to get here with my check...

194 My sister has a beautiful little girl with Rhett Syndrome. She will probably not make it past seven yrs old. It's been brutal.
Posted by: Contemplative Lobster at April 02, 2012 09:34 AM




I'm so very sorry.

 

195 My day is complete when I can go to AoSHQ and post poll results to the wingnuts.
Posted by: Greg at April 02, 2012 09:42 AM





What a sad little life you must lead, Greg.  That's kind of pathetic.

196 Well, going into hiding is expensive. ....Zimmerman will have to be in hiding for the rest of his life. ....I doubt that he is even able to go to work right now. ....The Black Panthers have put out a 'hit' on him....and even if it is proven that he acted out of fear for his life, there are a lot of people who will never accept that. Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2012 09:43 AM (+5U+B) Yeah I hear ya, but he was in hiding before NBC doctored the tape

197 There's some really interesting discussions about how being an extrovert is considered the baseline and deviations towards being an introvert are deemed problematic. Until middle school, then the parents are screaming for introverts who can handle the STEM curriculum at the magnet schools.

198 What a sad little life you must lead, Greg. That's kind of pathetic.

Posted by:at April 02, 2012 09:45 AM (P6QsQ)

I love my life!...and my Mommy!!!...Daddy, ummm...not so much.

199 I just noticed that my hash has changed....again. ....It seems to happen every time our DSL goes out, which doesn't really make sense to me.

200 185 Frustrating. Diagnostic descriptions of behaviors can't force behavioral modification. Aside from pharmaceutical unintended complications, troubles from Behavioral Science include the training of deception, to act "correctly".

Autism as "misbehaving"?

/ts

201 Tomorrow is my primary election.  If Mitt Romney robo-calls me one more time, I am going to inflict some serious harm on my cat, kick-wise.


4 calls in the space of an hour yesterday.  Not one real live person that I could yell at either.

202 Zimmerman got kicked out of college over this, so future earnings.

203 World Autism Day: Meh. It is sponsored by Autism Speaks. I have a membership to various Autism support groups, and honestly, they don't do a lot. I think the fund research, and they have parent connections, but imo, they aren't really down in the trenches helping you deal eith a child who is banging his head on the table because the cup isn't blue.

204 .I doubt that he is even able to go to work right now. ....The Black Panthers have put out a 'hit' on him They would need to be in workplaces to do so. Going to work might be the safest thing for Zimmerman.

205 Zimmerman got kicked out of college over this, so future earnings. Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2012 09:48 AM (WkuV6) ???

206 wheatie - hash is IP based, when your router gets reset, you get a new IP and a new hash. Consider it spring cleaning.

207 In my opinion, which no one has asked for, the very best money that can be spent in terms of Autism, is for Respite Care for the parents.

208 yeah Wheatie but "gunned up" has a whole different connotation, at least around my house....

209 Autism as "misbehaving"?

Sadly, yes.  I find that many people don't want to face up to the fact their kid is a terror because of poor parenting, and so they look for something to 'explain' their child's behavior.

This has to be specially frustrating to the parents who really have kids with trouble (ADD & ADHD in the late 90's early 2000's, Autism today (at a guess)) because it muddies the water for research into actual causes and possible treatments/therapies.

210 No cat kicking Mama Winger

211 They would need to be in workplaces to do so.

No.  They would just need to be between him and his workplace.

212 No cat kicking Mama Winger

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 02, 2012 09:51 AM (mFxQX)

Okay.  But he better not call me again when I'm trying to nap.  Just sayin.

213 Okay- late enough in the morning:  It's Monday, Moron Horde, that means a new post up at my place.

214 I'm so very sorry.
Posted by: mama winger at April 02, 2012 09:44 AM
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Mama, on behalf of my sister, thank you. These folks are just plain tired. Your prayers for her little girl and for the continued strength of their still-strong marriage are welcome.

215 nevergiveup - his school expelled him - because he was a "danger to others".

216

214 wheatie - hash is IP based, when your router gets reset, you get a new IP and a new hash. Consider it spring cleaning.

 

Thanks. ....So it's probably something that is happening with our service? ....I was afraid it was due to the fact that we've got moles tunneling around in our back yard, and that they've maybe been chewing on our DSL line.

217 @11 wtf? Its santorum and rushs fault that mitt is polling poorly? If romney cant distinguish himself from santorum thats on HIM.

218 nevergiveup - his school expelled him - because he was a "danger to others". Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2012 09:53 AM (WkuV6) really I had not heard that. What school was that?

219 The govt. has all kinds on money to give to school districts to try to teach autistic kids.  Hence, more autistic kids.

220 OK, I'm late to work here on the left coast so I'd better go. Always nice waking up to you miscreants.

It's OK, since I shall crank Crazy Train on the way in (some things never get old) and the makes me drive faster so I'm cool.

221

This is one of my favorite weeks of the year.  NCAA men's championship game tonight, and for the first time in 14 years my Kentucky Wildcats are in it.  Then comes MLB Opening Day, and the Masters this weekend.  And my son is coming home Wednesday from college for Easter break. 

222 So, Who is planning their next fun and exciting vacation excursion to beautiful and sunny North Korea? Hummmm?

223 nevergiveup - his school expelled him - because he was a "danger to others".

So that should also be his tuition and fees for the semester.  Plus, figure out the average salary for whatever degree he was looking for * 20.  Those all go to "economic damages."  Then you hit them where it hurts: non-economic and/or "punitive" damages.

Ka-ching!

Of course, I'm sure he'd rather Trayvon Martin not be dead, and him have his life back, but still.

224 *that* makes me drive faster
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jeez. More coffee

225 Spent part of the weekend working on a "charity fundraiser" with an amateur volunteer "disability awareness counselor" who was all cat-and-canary about the new autism "findings." Folks, it is time to recognize the pattern the socialists have set in this racket.

His opening line is "I can tell just by looking that you have a disability."  (I wear glasses). Then he's off to the races about his grandson's peanut allergy, and how proud of how regular public life gets disrupted to allow for his weaknesses, and on the fifth try, I have to claim that he does not want to hear about how there's a treatment to resolve that now. He does not want it cured; he's proud of it. It's a ticket to permanent-disability status. That kid will never need to work.

Regardless of whether bundle-of-symptoms syndromes are genuine or not, they are always developed exactly the same way by Democrat operatives. Panicky news bits, expand the definition to add a few million victims, grassroots concern clubs all pointed to more and more federal earmarks, bad and worse sciencey surveys all based on stats analysis and correlations, never morphology and pathology, culminating in another Department of Our National System Of.

They prey on natural sympathy, and Our National System Of going apeshit over every possible health concern, to convert any foible of life into ammunition for their war on, well, us.

Time for an experiment: choose just one hot new health peril, and define it as outside the purview of govt benefits, adding that parents and families of 'victims' will be sought out, registered, and required to provide proper care personally and with their own money. Keep the stopwatch running for how fast it disappears from the MSM and the concerned-volunteer supraculture. It is a Cloward-Piven corollary ,and we need to expose it. 

226 I understand the urge to think that Autism rates are inflated, and Hell, they probably are, but I have 3 life, and there is no question in the world that the oldest has vast, vast differences from his siblings. An example? He bangs his head against the wall all night long. We had to pad his entire room. When we moved out and took down the padding, we discovered he had made a hole in the wall from banging his head. The behavior can not be stopped. We are up dozens of times a night picking him up and putting him back in bed. 30 minutes later, he's back to head banging. He developed language like a machine becoming self aware. He would literally repeat entire sections of dialogue from a show when he needed to tell me something. When you call his name, he looks past you. When he was a toddler, he would have hundreds of tantrums a day. Now he just grouls like a dog. All this, and he is on the "good" end of the scale.

227 So, as you say, we now have a VERY narrow range of "normal" behavior for very young children. Everything is pathologized.
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Overview, there is no limit to the corrupt motivation financially benefiting the "for the children" abusers making autistic crops for harvest, having blown past parental rights, sovereignty no longer a protected issue.

Strike Mandates.

One size never fits all. And it's no secret what's done with refuse. FDR legitimized the socialist mantra in America: Are you part of the problem or the solution?

228 >>unfortunately, the urge to brand any odd behavior as a disorder.

If you're reading this, you're mentally ill.
http://is.gd/hGiJHH

229

Seminole State College has decided to expel George Zimmerman for his involvement in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. The school decided to remove Zimmerman from enrollment this week because of the high level of controversy that has been generated by this case.

E.S.A.D. Jean

230 routers control hash? Hmmm. I got a new router but never looked at my hash.

231 nevergiveup - Seminole State, just google Zimmerman expelled

232 Oh and care for Autistic kids in a public school? Forget it. They had my son walking the halls all day long.

233 Nope. Hash still the same.

234 Mama, on behalf of my sister, thank you. These folks are just plain tired. Your prayers for her little girl and for the continued strength of their still-strong marriage are welcome.
Posted by: Contemplative Lobster at April 02, 2012 09:53 AM



Tired probably to the point of exhaustion, I bet.  My brother was born with multiple handicaps, and it took an enormous amount of mental, physical and spiritual resources from the whole family for the 29 years that he was with us.  It's not easy in any way.  Your niece and her momma and daddy will be in my prayers for sure.

235

until he sues NBC for that doctored tape.
Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2012 09:13 AM
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I would love a full weigh-in from all the J.D.s in the Moron Horde regarding the possibility thereof. Especially if there are stompy boots involved (ATC?!).

 

My take on suing NBC for the doctored tape (reminder, not your lawyer, not licensed in your jurisdiction, may cause drowsiness, etc.):

The NYT v. Sullivan standard requires actual malice (knowledge that the statement being made is false at the time the statement is made) or that the statement was made with reckless indifference to truth or falsity.  The various cases interpreting this rule have placed the bar at a nearly impossible level to show malice/recklessness.  In my (not so) humble opinion, NBC managed to cross that bar.  In this case, you have an entity (NBC) that had in its possession the entire tape of an exchange.  NBC had to take active steps to alter the tape (here via editing) to make it appear as if Zimmerman made an arguable racist comment.  I cannot conceive of how NBC can argue that it did not know that the he looks black comment was in response to a specific inquiry by the 911 operator regarding the possible race of the person Zimmerman was observing.  In this case, NBC itself altered the tape to create a false statement.  I believe this is sufficient to get past a motion for judgment on the pleadings and probably a motion for summary judgment.  As Insty says, the discovery on this would be fascinating.

 

As to damages, Zimmerman can easily show that he has been defamed since he is now branded a vigilante racist who gunned down an innocent skittles eating teen for no reason whatsoever.  He was dismissed from the college he was attending (and there's another huge problematic area), I would presume he's had to move/is in hiding and I also presume he's having difficulties working.  So he has both economic and non-economic damages.

 

Now, that's not saying he'd win the case or that he'd be awarded damages, just that this may be enough given that NBC had to actively edit the tape in order to get to a jury.    

236 and there is no question in the world that the oldest has vast, vast differences from his siblings.

And this is the problem with over-diagnosis.  It does two things that hurt "real" autistic kids.  1) It makes it more difficult to find (if there is one) a root-cause for the disorder and treat or cure it.  2) It desensitizes the culture to the malady, even more so once they become aware that the "problem" was with over-diagnosis, and not actually some epidemic.

237 Anecdotally, I knew a couple in the late '80s with an autistic child.  The couple were in their late 30's.  Were the ages of the parents ever determined to have some correlation?

238 Should we have a fund raiser to buy Zimmerman a new gun in a larger caliber?

239

OK,

Let's hit these in random order.

First, Good Morning from the Midwest Horde! It's going to break 90 today apparently.  If this is Global Warming, I love it. (Turkey season should be warm and dry in about 3 weeks.)

Re: Toxic Charity, the summary seems fairly accurate, I've argued (in other locations) that once you take Christianity's robust moral vision (I'm Catholic so I tend to argue specifically to that point) and break it up into tiny tiny pieces (I like to use the anology of a stained glass window) and grab only the biggest prettiest pieces that survive, you get a bunch of crap.  So take the robust moral vision of a good person, focus solely on the "Social Justice" and ignore the "personal responsibility and betterment" and you get a franken-morality.  Furthermore, it corrupts forward, so even if you try to reconstruct the full moral vision it's tained by the overfocus on specific areas.  Virtuous Charity for example now becomes forced giving.  My arguments for tying charity to improvement goals is often dismissed as "uncaring."  On a related note, a friend of mine once said "I swift reading of the bible would suggest that Jesus was a socialist, this of course is the problem with speedreading, not with the bible."  If only more people figured that out.  Of course the book (based on summaries and reviews) seems to be taking a more practical tack to it. There's nothing wrong with that of course!  There's other research on how the quick "In and out" charity trips (especially medical ones) cause more harm than good.  A newer approach is to build a longstanding relationship with the community.

 

On Zimmerman and a Lawsuit. First I've started turning off my TV when this stuff comes on, I'll just wait for the Grand Jury report (and the ensuing riots.)  Everything in between is so muddled.  But on an NBC lawsuit.  IANAL, but the commentors over at the Volokh conspiricy seem to think (from my reading) that the burden of proof against a new organization is fairly high, meaning the likelyhood of a successful lawsuit is small.  The thread has decayed into an "Innocent or guilty" thread and I can't find that sub discussion anymore.  There was certaintly disagreement though over the whole thing so it's not cut and dry.  Especially over the definition of "public figure" and the maliciousness of the editing, but apparently the media has a wide swath for these types of things and provided they show the edits (with ellipses) it may scrape by.

240 Right and here's my question to you, Lauren - what do you think about my point that we're not going to find effective treatments if we keep muddying the waters? I argue with my aunt about this all the time - she has taught in the IU for many years, first a varied group of special needs, but as years went on, it seems her class is nearly all ASD. So something is definitely happening, and I sympathize with all the affected families. I can't really sympathize as much as I think I can - jeez a freaking tic that you can barely notice? I hate to even mention it, honestly. It's no big. Anyway she is all for whatever it takes to get more attention and money - and she is NOT raking it in, and is very dedicated and works extremely hard for her students and their parents. So, I see that point but I really do think muddying the waters with Retts or Turners or even ADHD is not going to help the situation. Perhaps foolishly, I trust medical science and believe if they could define things better and focus, better treatments could well be developed.

241 I really think that the N.Korean missile aughta blow up on the launching pad

242

Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2012 09:57 AM (bcfXX)

 

My heart goes out to you, Lauren. It has to be exahausting for you and your husband. ....I can only imagine what it must be like. I'm so sorry you're having to go through that. 

243 Lauren - my heart goes out to you.  I am a retired Speech and Language therapist, and I worked with children such as your son.  He sounds like many of my former students.  I frankly don't know how you do it 24/7.  Except that you just have to.

244 11 Obama leading Romney by 18 percent among women... Thank you, Reverend Santorum. Thank you, noted egotist Rush Limbaugh. ----------------------------------- This shows an amazing lack of depth on your part. Always question a poll that has Obama in the positive..........unless the poll concerns his black support.

245 Oh and care for Autistic kids in a public school? Forget it. They had my son walking the halls all day long. Sorry to hear that, Lauren. My two boys get a lot of services, and couldn't be in a better public school system.

246 How exactly is Santorum helping Romney become a better candidate? By forcing him to defend the far right flank? Where there are all of zero swing voters to be had in November?

247

Posted by: comatus at April 02, 2012 09:57 AM (ZOlM3)

 

I once had a professor whose kid was allergic to peanuts.  I don't recall the conversation exactly but in any case, she had never heard of "banning peanuts" from school and (upon hearing about it from a student) insisted that if her school ever did that she'd withdraw her student.  There was something she said after that about her kid being smart enough to know not to eat something without asking what was in it, and if she didn't she had a epi-pen and would learn a lesson.

248 And if you don't vote for Mr. and Mrs. SCOAMF (again I wonder why the fuck we're giving the consort of the executive regulatory powers....), you're "wrong people."
http://is.gd/2tiz59


Crazy-making quote:
>>“And let’s not forget how my husband appointed those two brilliant Supreme Court justices,” Obama said. And let’s not forget how, for the first time in history, our daughters and our sons watched three women take their seats on our nation’s highest court. And we are now feeling the impact of those court decisions and what effect that will have on our children’s lives for decades to come — on their privacy and security, on whether they can speak freely, worship openly, and, yes, love whomever they choose.”

Speak freely? Worship openly? WTF is she talking about?

249

@234 - Gracious, sweetie!  I don't know how parents of kids with "true" autism do it - it is truly a devastating condition, and I'm sure it's heartbreaking to watch as the parent of a child with autism.  (I also agree that money for Respite Care for parents of kids with autism is a GOOD thing).

 

Our kids have "true" ADD (which is a bear to diagnose in smart girls) - we didn't see it for many years, but once they started on medication, the improvement was immediate and radical. 

 

However, ADD is NOT Autism, not on the "spectrum", not even in the same category, and anyone who says it should be on the ASD spectrum is doing a HUGE disservice to kids who have true Autism.

 

Our youngest has Down syndrome - thankfully, there's no way to put anyone on that "spectrum" unless they have a genetic karyotype to "prove" it.....

250 Oh I agree, Allen. It is very frustrating. It's also heartbreaking because it gives false hope that maybe your kid will be one who "comes out" of Autism, when the reality is that the kids who "fully recover" likely never had it to begin with. My son is a smart, sweet, funny kid. He has made huge improvemrnts, but he will always struggle.

251 241 Nope. Hash still the same.

 

Posted by: Pecos, at April 02, 2012 10:00 AM (2Gb0y)

 

 

That's a cool hash, too. ....I never seem to get any that are that cool.

252 NBC is worried enough about a lawsuit that they have already ginned up an internal investigation to forestall being pilloried in the court of public opinion and find (and burn bag) any evidence before outside council comes looking for a discovery response.

253
Zimmerman was "removed" from enrollment at Seminole State College.

254 I re-read the Gospels recently to answer the question "Is God a Socialist?"

The synoptics definitely have that feeling.  The Gospel According to John, however, doesn't go down that rabbit hole.

Acts of the Apostles was written by Luke (I think).  That early church socialism is idolized.  It didn't last.

255

>>unfortunately, the urge to brand any odd behavior as a disorder.

 

Because there's no unintended consequences from this. Nope, everything is just fine when you treat people as victims in need of help. No such thing as bias of low expectations.

 

/s

256 Madonna is the democrat cracksniffer all the PA newspapers go to for political analysis that favors the dems. Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at April 02, 2012 07:04 AM (7+pP9) And Santorum is a decrepit primary zombie who can't accept his lead in PA is shrinking. Crying about the messenger just makes Rick look more unhinged and butthurt than usual.

257 265th!!!!!

258 263 - remember, The Trappists - Where Communism Works

259 I don't think Autism should be diagnosed til 5 or so. Young kids with speech delays should be treated for the delay, and then given some time to see how things develop.

260 His life had no fucking meaning. Whatsoever.

Cautionary Example.

261 Many on the right initially sided with TM until the MSM meme was exposed. Also Chuckie at LGF is getting all orgasmic talking about wacism at Breitbart.I wouldn't put it past him to be a false flagger posting on Breitbart.

262 So we have to wait another 3 weeks for the PA primary, in which Santo Rum will lose, for him to drop out.

263 268 I don't think Autism should be diagnosed til 5 or so. Young kids with speech delays should be treated for the delay, and then given some time to see how things develop. I disagree. Having a kid with autism, it retrospect it should have been picked up sooner.

264 The "Zimmerman lesson" for me is the willful refusal of the Black community to accept any responsibility for the perception that young Black males are dangerous. The reason that perception exists is that it is statistically true. Do a search on crime statistics by race and be horrified. Rape, robbery, murder,hate crimes, take your pick. Young Black males are most responsible by a wide margin. Yet you will never hear -anyone- say that Zimmerman had a logical justification for being suspicious of Trayvon.

265 CAC - where stands the hope for the two Catholics keeping the Mormon from clinching and having a brokered convention

266 So we have to wait another 3 weeks for the PA primary, in which Santo Rum will lose, for him to drop out. yep, but my guess is well before then he will beclown himself, and us, further

267 One of my twins has autistic tendencies, combined with a diagnosis of very mild cerebral palsy, likely due to prematurity. His twin is a total type-A, gifted-level kid. Their little brother, though, clearly has autism. At seven he has little spontaneous expressive language, though his receptive is good. He's not sensory averse, though, he's a thrill-seeker and has tremendous body awareness of balance and strength. We're still working on potty-training, and he's eager to please, but gets so into stimulus that he doesn't pay enough attention to fully have it down yet. He's also type-1 diabetic, which really complicates things. Thankfully, we're in the top school district in the state, and our local elementary (top in the state) is the autism school for the district.

268 Also Chuckie at LGF is getting all orgasmic talking about wacism at Breitbart.I wouldn't put it past him to be a false flagger posting on Breitbart. Posted by: Avi at April 02, 2012 10:13 AM




Or sending  a few of his minions over to do the dirty work for him.  What a waste of skin he is.

269 The only reason I'm for later diagnosis is because a lot of kids get caught in the Autism net whdont have it, and treatment is very intense and expensive.o

270 Lokki - esp. when wearing a hoodie Zimmerman clearly described behavioral factors in his discussion with the dispatcher - she asked about race. I fact Zimmerman sounds like a trained police officer making an observation, right down to hand position.

271 Yet you will never hear -anyone- say that Zimmerman had a logical justification for being suspicious of Trayvon. Posted by: Lokki at April 02, 2012 10:14 AM (a5F9g) the truth is the people most at risk from Black Males is other Blacks. But that does not make for racial rable rousing so much

272 The only reason I'm for later diagnosis is because a lot of kids get caught in the Autism net whdont have it, and treatment is very intense and expensive. Right, altho Avi's point is valid insofar as early interventions can be beneficial (which hasn't exactly been proven in studies so far, but might yet be proven?). Again, this is where defining things more clearly will be helpful (as is my hope). If you're not grabbing my child for tapping a foot all the time and calling that ASD (when it's clearly a tic and was so diagnosed by a neurologist), or my friend's deeply shy and quiet child, then you have more ability to focus on Autism itself.

273 Former White House reporter Helen Thomas honored by Abbas After a long silence following her infamous ‘Jews should get out of Palestine’ comment, Helen Thomas receives a medal from PA President Mahmoud Abbas in Washington. Birds of a feather and all

274

263 I re-read the Gospels recently to answer the question "Is God a Socialist?"

 

If 'God is a socialist'....I don't think Mother Nature got the memo.

 

Even though there is some sharing that goes on within wolf packs, lion prides, etc......for the most part it is 'every criter for themselves' out there in Nature.

275 Acts of the Apostles was written by Luke (I think). That early church socialism is idolized. It didn't last.

Yes, Acts was written by Luke, and he didn't exactly idolize the socialism- he just pointed it out.  Beyond it being a fact of their lives, he didn't really editorialize on it at all.

But even then, and with Jesus, all such "socialism" was of a purely voluntary variety, and Jesus never tried to demonize the rich as such- simply point out the spiritual danger such people were in. 

For the most "Conservative" perspective on it, though, read Paul.  He really, really didn't like the socialistic tendencies of the early Church, and made no bones about saying things like "If a man won't work, he shouldn't eat," and " A worker is worth his wages."

276 The only reason I'm for later diagnosis is because a lot of kids get caught in the Autism net whdont have it, and treatment is very intense and expensive.o Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2012 10:17 AM
------------
OK, out of the shower and gotta go fast but:
I figure any decent doctor is ALWAYS diagnosing. Little Kate was diagnosed as autistic for 2 yrs. When the seizures - and a whole bunch of other stuff - started they re-diagnosed (is that a word?).

277 Yet you will never hear -anyone- say that Zimmerman had a logical justification for being suspicious of Trayvon.

Well, no logical justification beyond Travyon apparently just standing around in the rain at night, meeting the general description of someone who had already committed a couple of break-ins in the neighborhood recently.

Beyond that minor, inconsequential detail, not a single logical reason.

278 Crap. I'm late. Kthnxbai...

279 I don't care if people want to live in communes like the early church.

Just don't put a gun to the head of my fellow citizens.

280 For the most "Conservative" perspective on it, though, read Paul. He really, really didn't like the socialistic tendencies of the early Church, and made no bones about saying things like "If a man won't work, he shouldn't eat," and " A worker is worth his wages."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 10:24 AM



Yeah, Paul was definitely not into SEIU.

281 The heretics have been using the socialism slant of the synoptic Gospels to push Socialism for close to 2000 years.

We are given the gift of Reason.  We must use it to determine what mechanisms of charity are effective and what are counter-productive.

282 Crap. I'm late. Kthnxbai...

This is why I don't do the ONT.  I get little enough sleep as it is, I wouldn't get any if I were up all night discussing things with the Horde.

283 Yeah, Paul was definitely not into SEIU.

Paul = Proto-Republican
Peter = Proto-Democrat.

Discuss.

284 For the most "Conservative" perspective on it, though, read Paul. Ron or Rand?

285

My son has Down's Syndrome, with definitely autistic dendencies.  From what I recall, no one has ever suggested a diagnosis of autism, but we spent the whole of his life treating him like a person, and dealing with his disabilities honestly.

 

We all have whatever challenges in our world that we do, and it's probably wise not to look around at others, trying to compare joys and sorrows.  To say though, that my son has been one of the greatest joys of my time on this planet would be a severe understatement. 

286 That's a kinda crappy picture of Palin the Post used. Hot Gas has some great ones; the Post should've taken their cue from those.

287 Ron or Rand?

Saint.

288 "A Quantum Theory of Romney" was actually clever and funny. And accurate.

What is the NYT coming to?

289

Little Kate was diagnosed as autistic for 2 yrs. When the seizures - and a whole bunch of other stuff - started they re-diagnosed (is that a word?).

 

Reevaluation of prior diagnosis. We've had the autism discussion before and no one, at least that I recall, was stating that autism does not exist. The problem is that it's the trendy new diagnosis. It's also being used to justify a lot of assholish behavior. "Oh, sorry, it's my aspy's, not me, can't help it".

 

Allen's pointed out that the problem with overdiagnosis is that this dilutes the funds available to treat those who have legitimate problems and muddies the waters on research.

 

I am intrigued by the high level of those with true disorders, I'm thinking specifically of Asperger's, in the coding and math fields. I would love to know if there's some type of neurological process behind being highly skilled in one area and lacking in another.

290 The city?

/troll

291 Vote for comrade Øbama! We have him right where we want him and look forward to getting even more out of him in his second term.

292 I think the Early Church's experiment with common living  was kind of a stop-gap measure, an interim phase between itinerant traveling with Jesus prior to his death , and setting up local churches after His resurrection.

293 We've had the autism discussion before and no one, at least that I recall, was stating that autism does not exist. The problem is that it's the trendy new diagnosis.

Coincidentally, "autism" started getting overly broad meaning in conversational English and autism diagnoses just happened to skyrocket ... right after Rain Man came out and people started saying "autistic savant" instead of the phrase that had been in sole use up to then, "idiot savant".  After that movie, the word "retarded" disappeared (not the pejorative, but the actual word) and was replaced in all instances by "autistic".

294

>>we spent the whole of his life treating him like a person, and dealing with his disabilities honestly.

 

Yea!

 

Speaking of socialism and special needs...

 

By homeschooling and opting out of the system, my kid who would be labeled as in The Group of Having a (mild) Disorder and needing special treatment, is just himself. He's learning about his own unique attention span (or lack thereof) and how to deal with it.

295 I think the Early Church's experiment with common living was kind of a stop-gap measure,

I don't think it was even that.  The "Early Church's experiement" with semi-communisim seems limited to Jerusalem.  I suspect it was forced on them, more or less, by their environment.

There were some who still had contacts and business interests outside the Christian Community, but many were branded blasphemers and heretics by the Jews (okay- all of them were- some just had contacts with the Romans and Greeks in Jerusalem).  The Jews would have nothing to do with the Christians (for the most part) so their options for surviving were more limited.

Outside Jerusalem, things were a little more cosmopolitan, and the Christians relied on that internal charity less.

296

It gives me feelings of nostalgia...to see the wonderful relationship that comrade Øbama enjoys with the media. Reminds me of the good old days during Soviet control.

 

I plan to make some changes here in Russia with regard to the rabid media dogs who dare to deviate from what I decide is the Truth.

297

I'd suspect there probably is. I saw a TV special about a guy (not autistic or anything like that) who could do highly complex calculations in his head faster than a calculator, and an MRI showed that the part of his brain he used for math was located in an area associated with sight, which is highly unusual.

 

I know two people with synesthesia, one can hear colors and the other sees numbers in a range of colors. One of them happens to work at a research university so she's had multiple MRI studies and while the neurological link is clear, no one knows why it exists. There's some hope that if that link can be determined, it can be used to return functionality to those who have brain damage.

298 Breitbart.com has learned that teachers in Wisconsin have been attending routine training workshops with the Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF), a radical organization founded by Saul Alinsky in 1940.

In a video produced by the MacIver Institute, organizers are seen arriving at a March 17 training session with the Wisconsin Education Association Council, Wisconsin's state teachers union.

Teachers' unions led last year's protests in Wisconsin against collective bargaining reforms, and are now heavily involved in the effort to recall Republican Gov. Scott Walker. In addition to Alinskyite groups, the recall effort has attracted the support of radicals such as unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers.

In a little-known speech to Wisconsin teachers last September, Ayers spoke of the need for "a new kind of education for a new kind of citizens that can make a new kind of society

299

For the most "Conservative" perspective on it,
though, read Paul. He really, really didn't like the socialistic
tendencies of the early Church, and made no bones about saying things
like "If a man won't work, he shouldn't eat," and " A worker is worth
his wages."


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 10:24 AM

Well the early Church still largely used teleology (e.g. virtue ethics/Aristotle) as their MO for morality.  So again, it's hard to pick and choose which aspects of the total Telos one should follow.  It's certainly communitarian, which is different than Collectivist.  So people should work (and failing to achieve your full potential was a big no-no.) But we should band together to help those who simply can't.  (I'm still oversimplifying here by a lot.)  I'm good with this notion of charity actually, here's some help to get you moving but you have to eventually wean off it (or be really really bad off at a fundamental level.)  Modern Catholicism especially (from my vantage point) misses that second half.  It's too focused on the "social justice" aspect.

Even the synoptics didn't go as far down the rabbit hole as Modern Liberation theologians and such have gone.

300 old dishawasher is going away today!!!! yeah!!!! new dishwasher is being installed........so happy! then on to have the tires on the truck replaced.........a screw in one a nail in the other....run flats can't be patched.......

301 My oldest is ADHD and didn't "misbehave" at all. In fact, he was the most "behaved" of the three. He couldn't focus for long which made the rote learning they need to do in elementary school problematic. The executive ADD and detail insensitivity also keep you from carrying around that naggy thing that tells you something is due or you have homework, etc. You  have to resort to all kinds of reminders etc to get things done. It's been really bad for his self esteem. He is an awesome worker though.

I didn't know how much trouble the first one had until the other two started school. They don't have to do anything at all. At least the oldest one is drop dead gorgeous. I've seen girls walk into walls turning around to look at him.

302

307 -

 

I honestly think we had the benefit of there being no questions about my son's diagnosis or the severity of his mental retardation.  I have to believe it's harder for parents to deal with teachers and therapists and all the assorted others, when there is no clear diagnosis,  and/or mild disabilities.  I have seen some of that with others, but our experience with the public school system was always very good. 

303

311...Posted by: mama winger at April 02, 2012 10:47 AM (P6QsQ)

 

Damn. That's disgusting, mama winger. ....If Barky gets a 2nd term, he will probably make Bill Ayers the Sec of Education.

304

Treyvon's mom Sybrina [again] wants to know "why Zimmerman hasn't been arrested". Apparently she can seem to remember the reason given by the state and needs reminded periodically. Maybe they could type it out on paper and she can refer to that when she forgets.

305 So, does anyone other than me think that Barky is going to drop Biden from the ticket?

306 So again, it's hard to pick and choose which aspects of the total Telos one should follow. It's certainly communitarian, which is different than Collectivist. So people should work (and failing to achieve your full potential was a big no-no.) But we should band together to help those who simply can't. (I'm still oversimplifying here by a lot.)

This is true.  And there's a lot of that in Paul's epistles as well.  The biggest difference, probably, between my take, and those who claim "Jesus was a Socialist," is that I believe it all hinges on personal responsibility.

Widows and orphans (for instance) were supposed to receive "pure" charity, largely because they had no rights in Rome at the time, which meant they had no way (ethically) to make a living.  In most cases.

And there's the rub.  "In most cases."  The reason the "Socialism" meme keeps rearing its ugly head is that it can ignore that "in most cases" point.  It's "simpler," which means people can pay less attention.  The more correct understanding of what was being done is much more nuanced and complex- so people don't want to hear it, let alone study it.

307 If psychiatrists had been around through history and had been trusted (LOL) as they are now, every single genius would have been drugged out of his gourd before he could accomplish anything.

Psychiatry is very often little more than the fashion of personality and that fashion is very much about total conformity to the mediocre (and often demented) minds of the psychiatrists, themselves.

308 I keep my learning disabled son in the Catholic school system even though they didn't offer shit as far as helping him. I re-taught him everything at night. I would have been infinitely cheaper and easier to home school but we would have killed each other and he is hyper-social. I didn't want him near the local public school--they would have had him in the corner coloring in a heart-beat.

309 So, does anyone other than me think that Barky is going to drop Biden from the ticket? Posted by: Jimbo at April 02, 2012 10:57 AM (O3R/2) I doubt it.

310 The Scientologists might be right about that one thing.

311 mama winger -- they are intent on making Wisc. the pivot for this battle. Seems like a huge gamble. They don't seem to be recruiting good candidates - which speaks to the true enthusiasm on the ground, in-house polling, and local money.

312 Van Jones: Romney Should Pick Condi Rice as VP and 'Watch the Obama Campaign Go Crazy'

313 Jimbo, those rumors have been swirling around DC for years. Corzine was, at one time, the heir apparent - a financial genius, did you hear.

314 "Vice President Braindamaged says Gov. Romney is "a little out of touch"..."

What?  My damage is not brained!!!!

315 The Black Panthers have put out a 'hit' on him....and even if it is proven that he acted out of fear for his life, there are a lot of people who will never accept that. Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2012 09:43 AM

Texas lawyers offer $10,000 for George Zimmerman's legal defense

http://tinyurl.com/7uebk7h

It's not out of the question that sooner or later a group will offer armed security for GZ

The New Black Panthers specialize in making threats, and standing around looking tough in paramilitary outfits. I don't think the possibility of getting shot at appeals to them much, and if they are that badass why not grab the guy themselves instead of offering cash to some gangbangers?

316 After reading Rumsfeld's recent book, I don't think Condi has the executive experience needed to be VP.  LOL, nobody needs to have any experience to be VP.  A heartbeat away...

317

And there's the rub. "In most cases." The reason the "Socialism" meme keeps rearing its ugly head is that it can ignore that "in most cases" point. It's "simpler," which means people can pay less attention. The more correct understanding of what was being done is much more nuanced and complex- so people don't want to hear it, let alone study it.

--AllenG

Don't forget the craziness of the elightenment which "flattened" moral thought (and eventually lead to Marxism if you believe MacIntyre.)

I was at [Self-redacted] a little over a week ago meeting with [people who discuss this stuff, e.g. theology and ethics] and a friend of mind commented that this group [just take it at my word that their Catholic] focused far to much on the "here and now" to the expense of "forever and eternal bit."  The derivitive of this was that it seemed to warp their perception of how charity should handled to absuridity.  Now then off to [Somewhere!]

318 Van Jones: Romney Should Pick Condi Rice as VP and 'Watch the Obama Campaign Go Crazy' Posted by: Jimbo at April 02, 2012 11:02 AM (O3R/2) Please no, not Condi. There was a time I liked her, but she turned out to be way to squshy for me and wrong on to many foreign policy issues, especially Russia and the Middle East. I don't hate her, but please not her

319 a big no for condi

320 mama winger -- they are intent on making Wisc. the pivot for this battle.





Yep.  The Unions and Progressives are going for broke here. 

321 hmm, Rumsfield as VP - the sound of lefty heads popping is music to my ears

322 Drudges top story in red is about that obama campaign donor who is a crook? So what. Unless there are pics of him/her in bed with obama and 3 pigs and money laying on the bed, it really is just a foot note

323 Side Note! (Mostly to AllenG and anyone else in on the theological discourse) by the time I get home this thread will be long and buried.  But I enjoyed the discussion, if you have any followup, I exist on the twitters by exactly the same name I exist here.

324 mama winger - did the Milwaukee mayor jump in against Walker?

325 Please no, not Condi. There was a time I liked her, but she turned out to be way to squshy for me and wrong on to many foreign policy issues, especially Russia and the Middle East. I don't hate her, but please not her

Meh.

If she's going to be anywhere, the VP slot is it, I'd think.
My main problem with that is that she might wind up as President, and she's to squishy for me, too.

On the other hand, she has stated often and unequivocally that she doesn't want to be POTUS, so mayeb.

326 There are quite a few people who would likely be dead at their own hand if they hadn't received good psychiatric treatment.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2012 11:03 AM (v+QvA)

And vice-versa.

Stuffing pills down the throats of lines of 12 year old boys during the school lunch hour is a criminal act, so far as I'm concerned.

How can psychiatry claim any sort of success when psychiatric diagnoses do nothing but increase?   There is something very, very unnatural about that.

327 The New Black Panthers specialize in making threats, and standing around looking tough in paramilitary outfits. I don't think the possibility of getting shot at appeals to them much, and if they are that badass why not grab the guy themselves instead of offering cash to some gangbangers? It's about getting donations to cover a bounty that will never be paid. Ka-ching!!!

328

328....Texas lawyers offer $10,000 for George Zimmerman's legal defense

 

That's really cool. ....I hope that Zimmerman has some recourse against the media too. Their blatant mischaracterizations and tampering with evidence has been instrumental in putting his life in danger.

329 mama winger - did the Milwaukee mayor jump in against Walker?

Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2012 11:06 AM (WkuV6)

Yes, Tom Barret announced he is in the running, further muddying the Democrat waters.  Some of the unions aren't too happy with Barret, as he has been availing himself of some of the resources provided by Scott Walker's budget reforms.  Ha - the irony.  It burns.

330 My impression of life in the first century was that communal living was not uncommon. There were greek and roman enclaves scattered about, various religious movements, etc.

331 Please no, not Condi. There was a time I liked her, but she turned out to be way to squshy for me and wrong on to many foreign policy issues, especially Russia and the Middle East. I don't hate her, but please not her

Condi Rice is absolutely awful.  She IS a leftist.  She's stupid and has dumb politics.  She's also a Barky voter.

If Mittens picked Condi, that would be a total disaster.

332 mama winger - is he the front runner for the nomination?

333 My impression of life in the first century was that communal living was not uncommon.

The descriptions Luke gives in the beginning of Acts make it seem as though he, at least, thought it was remarkable that they did so.  Maybe it just wasn't something Jews normally did- and so was a departure from their culture, or maybe it was something not frequently done by anyone.  Possibly it's just the degree to which they did it.  In any case, Luke seemed to think it was important enough to note.

334 They wanted to medicate my son. I let him try it and then decide whether he wanted to take the pills or not. He hated the "flat" feeling and didn't medicate. Now he wants pills to study for exams. Guess what buddy, you figure that out on your own (at 20).

335 While Greg faps away at a USA today poll, keep in mind that Jimmy Carter led Reagan in the polls for much of 1980, and as late as mid October.

The only reason people think the economy is "improving" is front running numbers due to warm weather. Strains are starting to show in the data and when $5 gas hits, there's only so long that idiots can keep giving the SCOAMF a pass, especially since groceries can't take the bus

We haven't even gotten to the possibility that the flash mobs and OWS crowd won't be helpful no matter how loved they are by the MBM

There were race riots and hippie riots in 1968, and Nixon won even with George Wallace drawing off a significant number of conservative voters (although Wallace drew a lot of white union voters from Humphrey)

336 Condi Rice has never been elected...for anything. ....I don't even remember her being very active in campaigning. ...She is an academic, basically.  And I doubt seriously that she would accept the VP slot even if she were offered it.

337 She's also a Barky voter. I seriously doubt that and also have never heard that either

338 LOL. Chris Plante just made fun of the Mooch's sparkly outfit. He's a moronette!

339 10.8% unemployment in Europe!

http://tinyurl.com/7depg6p

340 336 Drudges top story in red is about that obama campaign donor who is a crook? So what. Unless there are pics of him/her in bed with obama and 3 pigs and money laying on the bed, it really is just a foot note Posted by: nevergiveup at April 02, 2012 11:06 AM

Damn, another bunch of pardon briefs for me to write up!

341 What's Greg's reason for still fellating Chocolate Jesus? Taste?

342 mama winger - is he the front runner for the nomination? Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2012 11:10 AM


I would say at this point it still is Kathleen Falk, who was endorsed early (maybe too early) by the teachers unions.  She is a Madison lefty.  But Barret is probably going to move up close to her as time goes on.  The good thing is that now Dem money is split, and there is only 6 weeks between the primary and general election for them to organize a campaign.

The recall election is going to be close.  I won't be able to breathe until it's over.  If Wisconsin chooses to voluntarily go back into debt, to go back to turning businesses away from our state, to go back to handing more and more of our property taxes to the Union thugs, ....

I cannot even think about it.  The ramifications going into the Presidential election would be HUGE.

343 What's Greg's reason for still fellating Chocolate Jesus? Taste?

Less filling?

344 Now he wants pills to study for exams. Guess what buddy, you figure that out on your own (at 20).

Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2012 11:11 AM (CMM9V)

While I generally enjoy drugs, I don't have any experience with taking Ritalin or anything of the sort for studying - though friends of mine have told me that it did help their concentration.  If so, I have no problems with adults using it.  I would tell your son, however, to check out mnemonic techniques, first (stuff like the Roman memory trick, "In the first place ...").  Many people don't take these memory techniques seriously but they are VERY powerful and certainly do work.  He would be amazed at what he is able to learn quickly and memorize through the exam.  I highly recommend these techniques to all students.

345 Allen, we know that there were Jewish communes, eg Essenes. And various Greek enclaves - some of which survived for centuries.

346

She is an academic, basically. And I doubt seriously that she would accept the VP slot even if she were offered it.

 

I thought Condi has said that the only executive type position she wants is commissioner of the NFL.

347 mama winger - has Aaron Rodgers endorsed Walker?

348

Obama is in the deep end of the cocksucker spectrum - all the way down by the balls.

349 This can't be helpful to Sharpton's fund drive to pay his tax delinquencies in Trayvon's name

Also, it's unusual for the MBM to type up that kind of headline, usually it would read "THOUSANDS attend Trayvon Rally"

They must have inside info that indicates this isn't helping Obama

Crowds Smaller Than Predicted At Bayfront Trayvon Rally

http://tinyurl.com/7g2ns5p

350 "While Greg faps away at a USA today poll, keep in mind that Jimmy Carter led Reagan in the polls for much of 1980, and as late as mid October." haha, the old "compare romney to reagan in 80" crap! if you think mitt romney is even 1/100th the campaigner/politician that reagan was, then you just are not dealing in reality. and the economy was crap in 1980 and getting worse by the month, which is the exact opposite of what's occurring now. but, keep telling yourselves that romney=reagan, and i'm going to be having a blast from now until election day, when i'll be proven right yet again. romney loses florida, ohio and virginia. but he does win north carolina.

351 mama winger - has Aaron Rodgers endorsed Walker? Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2012 11:20 AM


Not that I'm aware of.

352 Allen, we know that there were Jewish communes, eg Essenes. And various Greek enclaves - some of which survived for centuries.

Yeah, but "some" is not "common."  Like I said- there may be many reasons that Luke thought the communal lifestyle was worth noting- but he goes to great lengths to describe it, so he seems to think it was important.  Perhaps he thought it important only to explain their later difficulties when drought and famine hit the region.

353 Somebody in France made a documentary about autism in children, critical of the medical treatment they receive. It appears the loony French still believe it is caused by, allegedly, a mother's rejection.  I was shocked that people still subscribe to that bullshit. The french also believe the therapy should be "talk therapy" and the children all institutionalized.

They scoff at therapies developed in the US because they hate the US that much.  As a result of this documentary, french psychs sued the film maker and tried to have the film suppressed.

354 358 I've spent 20 years doing everything I can do for him. He's been fighting me the whole fucking time. He's actually doing well for where he is. I'm out of the business of trying to help him with school stuff. He needs to do it himself. I'm available if he wants help but other than paying for everything, I'm done. I won't even suggest anything. 4 years and you're on your own, though.

355 Average Joe sucks cock by choice.

356

360 She is an academic, basically. And I doubt seriously that she would accept the VP slot even if she were offered it.

 

 

I thought Condi has said that the only executive type position she wants is commissioner of the NFL.

 

Heh. Yeah, I remember that. ....It would be interesting to see how she would handle the union demands.

357 I told you guys before, the election will be a forgone conclusion by Summer, when Obama holds a 5-8 point lead and the public just tunes the whole thing out (same as in 96 with clinton/dole). Romney will get to within 2-3 pts of Obama after the GOP convention, but the lead opens up to 5+ points after the Dem convention and that's that. the map will be similar to Obama/McCain, but romney hold NC this time. But Romney will draw super small crowds since there is no Palin to drag him around and draw in Conservatives.

358 I was able to tell that my nephew's son was autistic when he was a month old. I'd never seen a baby go to so much trouble to not look at you or his mother. It was so obvious.

They still won't admit it though.

359 Greg, Does Obama taste chocolatey or musky?

360 The thing is, autism and mental retardation arent the same thing. My Autistic son is incredibly smart, but his brain processes everything in a different way.

361 Allen - I'm sure the communes were on the short end of the stick when drought came, or any political upheaval (eg: monasteries during the reformation, jewish villages when the king owed them money, etc.) I always thought Luke was explaining it because every commune was different and he was trying to normalize them in behavior as well as theology. Which would explain why his letters were so valuable to the 4th century Church fathers who were trying to unify dogma and hierarchy.

362 I told you guys before, the election will be a forgone conclusion by Summer, when Obama holds a 5-8 point lead and the public just tunes the whole thing out (same as in 96 with clinton/dole). Romney will get to within 2-3 pts of Obama after the GOP convention, but the lead opens up to 5+ points after the Dem convention and that's that. the map will be similar to Obama/McCain, but romney hold NC this time. But Romney will draw super small crowds since there is no Palin to drag him around and draw in Conservatives.Posted by: Greg at April 02, 2012 11:24 AM (J3Ovp)





Perhaps you want me to die of unrelieved boredom while you keep on talking.

363 Is Greg laboring under the delusion that he's the Oracle of Delphi? Fuck off Troll, no one knows what's going to happen.

364 There's something fishy about The Obama Network having SP host the Today Show opposite Katie Whoric

When ABC announced Couric would be subbing on GMA, audiences yawned. The Palin hating View watching couch potatoes will however rally to Katie and write hate mail to NBC.

Which is what they want. They'd love to bring Couric back

365 Is Greg laboring under the delusion that he's the Oracle of Delphi?

I hear the Oracle tended to miss House predictions by 30+ seats too.

366 and Greg, no way Obama holds Virginia. You can dream all you want - but it isn't happening. It's only close in polls that use 2008 turnout models.

367 299 "A Quantum Theory of Romney" was actually clever and funny. And accurate. ----- Yeah, I liked it too. But it was inaccurate in one respect: Romney is NOT going to lose to Obama.

368 371 I told you guys before, the election will be a forgone conclusion by Summer Posted by: Greg at April 02, 2012 11:24 AM

Seems you don't come around here much when a poll shows bad news for your lord god Obama, Greg

If you really had confidence in him, you'd come here to tell us the bad polls don't worry you.

369 237 Seminole State College has decided to expel George Zimmerman for his involvement in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. ----- The grounds they cite (as represented by your post) are not valid, per their own code of conduct. Moreover, he's entitled to a hearing before being expelled. http://tinyurl.com/cjyrvpn It's a public community college, so I think he has some major recourse to pursue. His rights are being violated.

370 Hey Greg, think your boyfriend will still hold those women's votes when flash mobs pull them out of their minivans this summer while screaming "Trayvon"

371 The summer schedule: - Remaining primaries, yawn - Walker wins recall, Unions and Dims infighting begins - Republican Convention, hopefully a brokered extravaganza - Dem Convention, in which a desperate Obama ditches Biden. - $5 Gas stories all summer - Euroshocks continue thru August - Ocare gets dumped by SCOTUS - Israel hits Iran, Iran spasms, Obama spazzes, Gas hits $7 briefly - Obama screws Chicago over and announces his library will be in Hawaii.

372 WTF, Fox? The mutants have taken over.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 02, 2012 08:57 AM (4q5tP)

Don't tell me you still believe that cum-dumpster Ailes is on our side.

373

When the Greg types come here and essentially say "you people better not argue with me about the polls," it reminds me of Mr. Garrison, before he outed himself.  Guys would get near him and he'd say "you better not try to have sex with me!"

 

Ummmm, yeah.  No. 

374 Does anyone important care what we say in this blog?

375 It's a public community college, so I think he has some major recourse to pursue. His rights are being violated.

Posted by: Y-not at April 02, 2012 11:37 AM (5H6zj)

I said last week that I hope he's contacted F.I.R.E. about this since kollidges and universities are some of the biggest pusses when it comes to defending the rights of the accused against any organized interest groups.

376 I wish I had the kind of confidence in Romney that a lot of people here do, but I don't.

The Beltway GOP knows how to attack Conservatives, but I'm not sure it knows how to attack liberals.

The only thing that could save Mittens is if the Banksters' Racket that elected Obama in 2008 decided that it needed a new Front Man, and decided to replace Chicago Jesus. They may have. Obama's fundraising is robust, but nowhere near the "billion dollar campaign" of legend.

Wall Street and the Economic War Criminal Lobby has abandoned Obama, clearly.

However, without Palin to drag him over the finish line, I'm not sure that Romney can close the deal. I'm hearing rumors about Condi Rice, though.

377

And then we hit Ace with the cattle prod.

 

DANCE, EWOK, DANCE!!!!

378

I'm hearing rumors about Condi Rice, though.

Yes, from Van Jones.

Please.

379

Gerg, I can't hear you over the sound of the 2010 mid-terms.

Thanks.

P.S.: The majority of the state of Wisconsin says "Hi."

380 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

381 @14 Velvet Ambition,

This is a result of the Social Cons obsession with birth control. Obama has this election all locked up now. This country is screwed.

382 @371 Greg,
Until the GOP muzzles its Theocratic wing, they will not win another Presidential election. The GOP should go in a libertarian direction.