May 21, 2012
— andy Monday? How'd that happen again so quickly?
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Posted by: Vic at May 21, 2012 03:20 AM (YdQQY)
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Posted by: Vic at May 21, 2012 03:20 AM (YdQQY)
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Posted by: Vic at May 21, 2012 03:21 AM (YdQQY)
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Posted by: Vic at May 21, 2012 03:21 AM (YdQQY)
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Posted by: Vic at May 21, 2012 03:22 AM (YdQQY)
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Posted by: Vic at May 21, 2012 03:22 AM (YdQQY)
One of the key political advisors to the Republicans which ace blogged about several weeks ago says that the number of actual flip-flopping independents is only around 7%. I think it is even lower. My gut and experience tells me that it is less than 5% and what generally happens is outcomes are changed by who is able to generate enthusiasm in getting their people down to vote. IOW for 2012 purposes, donÂ’t expect a significant number of dissatisfied Obama voters to vote for Romney. It just ainÂ’t going to happen. What you can reasonably expect is a significant fraction of Obama voters deciding to stay at home, particularly if weather is bad or something else makes it harder to vote.
The other big thing that BB guy neglects in this poll discussion is the type of poll. We do not vote for President in a nationwide vote, therefore nationwide polls for President have little meaning. The key is State by State polls, and most especially, the key swing States where the vote is always close.
http://is.gd/nJw1QU
Posted by: Vic at May 21, 2012 03:23 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Vic at May 21, 2012 03:23 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Vic at May 21, 2012 03:25 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 21, 2012 03:27 AM (wcH9x)
Posted by: Beto at May 21, 2012 03:27 AM (cYQg0)
@12 Palm Beach County Florida with a $15M budget deficit is hiring a "Climate Change Czar". The stupid is epic.-Vic
You can't fix stupid. It can't be said enough.
Posted by: Case at May 21, 2012 03:35 AM (FKGw9)
He's got to be the dorkiest looking inventor in world history.
Makes Opie Taylor look like Fabio.
I'd believe he'd invented planting his elbow squarely in his PB&J sandwich....maybe, but I do buy that he was desperate for a social life.
Posted by: ontherocks at May 21, 2012 03:36 AM (aZ6ew)
Modified repost from ONT that might be of interest:
Here in the Magnolia State it's all over the news about the French Consulate presenting a local WWII vet with the Legion d'honneur for participating in the liberation of France. Apart from how cool and touching it was to see that (the ceremony took place before the congregation of the little Northeast Mississippi church the vet attends), it was also of note because the French had originally intended to hand out a whole bunch of these to les Americains, and the process got snagged up with the end of the war and folks more interested in returning home than collecting decorations.
Even though it's a bit late in the game, they're trying to rectify this, so if any of you know a vet who served in France from D-Day onwards through VE Day, it could be worthwhile to contact your nearest Frog Consulate or Embassy and see if they qualify. It's a recognition these guys richly merit, and would likely mean quite a bit to them and their families. Currently, it's estimated that more than 15,000 American WWII vets are eligible for the Legion d'honneur who haven't yet received the decoration.
Posted by: A. Pendragon at May 21, 2012 03:37 AM (pYA5L)
Posted by: Daybrother at May 21, 2012 03:40 AM (Ttx60)
He's got to be the dorkiest looking inventor in world history.
Gates doesn't exactly leave the dork-o-meter stuck at zero. Jobs was relatively normal although I was hoping while he was still alive that some indie film maker might pimp him by having Steven Seagal star in "The Steve Jobs Story".
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 21, 2012 03:40 AM (wcH9x)
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 21, 2012 03:42 AM (wcH9x)
"He's got to be the dorkiest looking inventor in world history."
Zuckerberg "invented" NOTHING.
He stole everything from Winklevoss, Winklevoss, and Narendra.
Posted by: Zombie Shane at May 21, 2012 03:42 AM (JW/aG)
Posted by: Nash Rambler at May 21, 2012 03:43 AM (lxk/v)
Posted by: Anal Bum cover for Elton at May 21, 2012 03:44 AM (ea2Dw)
Zuckerburg got fucked how?
They set a price for their IPO and he got that price. The guys who got fucked were the traders who hoped it would run up to 50 or more and then they would sell it to the dumb money investors who couldn't get in until late. Now they're sitting on millions of shares of $38 crap. Hahahahahahaha.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 21, 2012 03:44 AM (UTq/I)
Posted by: nickless at May 21, 2012 03:45 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 21, 2012 03:45 AM (UTq/I)
Posted by: zeera at May 21, 2012 03:46 AM (XtxRN)
Posted by: Daybrother at May 21, 2012 03:47 AM (Ttx60)
Believing as I do that the point of the military is to win for America's interests, and given the abysmal SCOAMF in the WH (that cannot define victory), it is long past time to pull the troops (and our money) out of that hell-hole, leave them (Afghanis and others) to the loving embrace of the Taliban or AQ, ensure we have lots of powerful non-discriminatory bombs in the inventory, and generate realistic plans to disappear large areas of hostile landscape if a future need arises.
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 21, 2012 03:49 AM (i3+c5)
@33 "Is it in bad taste to say I fucking hated the Bee Gees?"
Hope not, I didn't like them either. Their voices were too high. Must have been those tight pants. Plus, most of their stuff was disco. I didn't care much for disco although it is better than rap. Anything is better than rap.
Posted by: Case at May 21, 2012 03:49 AM (FKGw9)
"They set a price for their IPO and he got that price."
NO!!!
He didn't "get" anything.
The banks moved in and saved Zuckerberg's ass:
Posted by: Zombie Shane at May 21, 2012 03:49 AM (JW/aG)
This is why I don't understand the bleeding heads who want to pay for part (or all!) of their college tuition. If I concede just for the sake of this argument that free college for every semi-literate 18-year-old is "society investing in itself" (*guffaw*), the ROI on free college for illegal aliens is less than zero.
Just set those dollars on fire, at least we can toast marshmallows.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 21, 2012 03:50 AM (hO8IJ)
God, it's depressing to see how ill-informed this board is as to what Zuckerberg did.
I thought you people prided yourselves on being well-informed?
Zuckerberg is a MONSTER.
Posted by: Zombie Shane at May 21, 2012 03:50 AM (JW/aG)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at May 21, 2012 03:51 AM (ZZPs4)
http://tinyurl.com/c595wvo
Posted by: American Patriot at May 21, 2012 03:52 AM (Za1Tp)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at May 21, 2012 03:53 AM (ZZPs4)
The way I see it, a Zuck sh of FB was worth $0.00 on Thursday, it is now nominally $38.00. Even if it drops to $30, that's still a lot of profit for the nerd if he sells a few million shares!
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 21, 2012 03:54 AM (i3+c5)
Europe finally awakes from its utopian dream
http://is.gd/6YQXqK
The writer seems a little optimistic.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 21, 2012 03:54 AM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: nickless at May 21, 2012 07:45 AM (MMC8r)
Gates originally benefited from Big Blew being so fucking stupid that they thought there was no money in software compared to hardware; that they still made a ton of money anyway just points out what a gold mine they were sitting on top of. The reason I somewhat like Gates, despite complete fucking garbage like Vista, is that his success drove so many jealous losers in the IT world to make whining assholes out of themselves by complaining about how lucky he was. Those fuckheads should just suck it up and maybe redirect all that bitching to something productive instead of making such spectacles out of themselves.
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 21, 2012 03:55 AM (wcH9x)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 21, 2012 03:57 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Daybrother at May 21, 2012 03:57 AM (Ttx60)
Uh...Zuckerberg got fucked how? He sold 500,000,000 shares and is now worth 18 billion dollars. In my world that isn't getting fucked.
Posted by: If you don't speak English, you're a savage at May 21, 2012 03:57 AM (nEUpB)
"They set a price for their IPO and he got that price."
NO!!!
He didn't "get" anything.
The banks moved in and saved Zuckerberg's ass:
http://is.gd/q8UJub
Posted by: Zombie Shane at May 21, 2012 07:49 AM (JW/aG)
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To the extent he sold shares, Zuck got the money; the banks ended up holding the stock. They had to buy it to keep the price propped up.
Posted by: Nash Rambler at May 21, 2012 03:57 AM (lxk/v)
Posted by: Cathy at May 21, 2012 03:59 AM (QBWy5)
"Ugh" seems to be the word of the morning.
From Vic's link at #3, they say it, they really say it, even in a Fox article:
>>The clash came at the end of a march nearly three-hour protest march that was largely peaceful.
Posted by: Mama AJ, largely awake at May 21, 2012 04:00 AM (XdlcF)
We tried
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVjXarvOqAk
Posted by: Chucklehead at May 21, 2012 04:01 AM (z9HTb)
Thanks for the news Vic.
WUWT has an article up about the renewable energy sector's stock prices. No matter how bad your investments have been, they have to be better than this sector; they are down 90% from 2009. Ouch.
http://tinyurl.com/cnybwjk
They also have a nice long list of energy gubmint tit feeders that are bankrupt, or nearly so. Brings a single tear to my eye, for all my tax dollars wasted on this crap.
Posted by: GnuBreed at May 21, 2012 04:02 AM (ccXZP)
Jeb Bush...the one VP choice that would guarantee a Romney loss.
I can't think of a more catastrophically bad pick...can you?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 21, 2012 04:02 AM (nEUpB)
Were you watching the evening Chicago news last night? Channel 7 was on continuously for about an hour and a half covering the crap down on 22nd St.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 21, 2012 04:02 AM (UTq/I)
Posted by: Daybrother at May 21, 2012 04:02 AM (Ttx60)
Kid with a trust fund become richer. Horatio Alger yawns.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 21, 2012 04:03 AM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: If you don't speak English, you're a savage at May 21, 2012 07:57 AM (nEUpB)
He was getting the money anyway. The egotistical prick is now associated with a major fuckup which I doubt he wants a movie made about.
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 21, 2012 04:04 AM (wcH9x)
Ted Bundy was largely peaceful.
Posted by: Beto at May 21, 2012 04:04 AM (cYQg0)
Posted by: Captain Hate
............
And you think he cares? Ha.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 21, 2012 04:05 AM (UTq/I)
>>If asked, Toot [ObamaÂ’s maternal grandmother, Madelyne Payne Dunham] would turn her head in profile to show off her beaked nose, which, along with a pair of jet-black eyes, was offered as proof of Cherokee blood.
Oy. From Breitbart dot com.
Posted by: Mama AJ, largely not snorting at May 21, 2012 04:05 AM (XdlcF)
Posted by: Cathy at May 21, 2012 04:07 AM (QBWy5)
Which of Stanley Ann's parents decended from white slaveholders, again? (I know some Cherokee held black slaves...I don't know about Mormons, though.)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 21, 2012 04:10 AM (hO8IJ)
so, like, only 4 Starbucks were smashed instead of the usual 17?
Posted by: chemjeff
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Some 'splainin..
There was a march that had permits.. it was some vet group that wanted to protest NATO and throw their medals over a fence.. meh.. assholes.. but they stuck to their permit timeline and dispersed when the rally was over. So, yeah, it was mostly peaceful.
Then, the other libtard fucks that have been here all weekend decided not to disperse. It was so funny.. there were like 1000 cops (state and city) against some 200 dopes. So the cops just formed a line and started moving them with their riot batons.. a few got whacked in the process.
The cops have not been arresting hardly anyone.. I think only about 20 all weekend.. Their restraint is saintly..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 21, 2012 04:10 AM (UTq/I)
Posted by: TheLittlShiningMan at May 21, 2012 04:12 AM (PH+2B)
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Well hats off to you and him and all involved.. a job well done!
One more day of this crap...
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 21, 2012 04:12 AM (UTq/I)
That's what I get for trying to comment from my cell phone...
Posted by: Cathy at May 21, 2012 04:13 AM (oiTOF)
Posted by: TheLittlShiningMan
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Well.. he sure gave the Romney campaign some nice quotes and video to counter Obama's constant hitting on Bain.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 21, 2012 04:14 AM (UTq/I)
Posted by: Blaster at May 21, 2012 04:14 AM (HR5x9)
@81 Which of Stanley Ann's parents decended from white slaveholders, again? (I know some Cherokee held black slaves...I don't know about Mormons, though.)
Some Free Blacks held black slaves too. (I don't think we are suppose to talk about it though).
Posted by: Case at May 21, 2012 04:15 AM (FKGw9)
Posted by: Cathy at May 21, 2012 04:15 AM (oiTOF)
Posted by: Case at May 21, 2012 08:15 AM (FKGw9)
Absolutely not; that and modern day slavery by the mooooooooooooooslims in Sudan are met by the Official Wall of Silence.
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 21, 2012 04:18 AM (wcH9x)
One thing that give me hope for the future of this country is running across young conservatives who have survived the degree-granting indoctrination camps.
This recent graduate's website is currently featuring a spoof of Obama to the tune of Justin Beiber's "Girlfriend."
http://tinyurl.com/6wnjwpd
Posted by: Nash Rambler at May 21, 2012 04:20 AM (lxk/v)
you've got to be f'in kidding me
Posted by: chemjeff at May 21, 2012 08:11 AM (7FadD)
Oh no, this ridiculous story has morphed into the old Cherokees are the lost tribe of israel fable? Cherokee =Euchee
Posted by: Dagny at May 21, 2012 04:24 AM (mFIbw)
As an expert on the L.D.S. Church (I'm not a Mormon, religion was my major)
I can state categorically that slavery was specifically forbidden in their Doctrine and Covenants.
Posted by: Beto at May 21, 2012 04:24 AM (cYQg0)
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 21, 2012 04:25 AM (wcH9x)
Wait. Fiery plant explosions are an option? Someone should have told me.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 21, 2012 04:26 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: nickless at May 21, 2012 04:28 AM (MMC8r)
Contrast the highly skilled with menial labor story. Even illegal immigrants from Mexico knew better than to remain within the US during the Great Depression while racism was still exercised in government policy, most significantly by locals throughout the various regions of America. PBS special on Mexico airing last night wouldn't admit it, but no wealthy American then would hire the Mexicans, no need for cheap immigrant labor given poor white citizens DEMANDING the work for themselves, without labor protections btw/ Grapes of Wrath.
I don't buy the current story that Mexican illegal aliens are returning to Mexico in droves as the media would say. In Central Texas you still see a lot of the indigenous tribes from far South of the US Border, VERY small in physical stature, no genetic mixing with Gringos, speaking no English but only Spanish, employed by municipalities -- full benefit packages accompanying wages.
Explain to Obama that the US has overcome racism. The Obama Depression does not favor whites in gainful employment. In fact, increasingly since Reagan's administration granting amnesty for illegal aliens, today if you don't speak Spanish, you do not qualify for many of the available "white collar" jobs stateside.
Posted by: panzernashorn at May 21, 2012 04:31 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: dogfish at May 21, 2012 04:31 AM (N2yhW)
That's a lie. Ann Romney has slaves even today, and Mitt invested in slave trading when he was at Bain.
Posted by: Channeling Reverend Daughtry at May 21, 2012 04:33 AM (nEUpB)
Monday morning pro tip:
When the microwave bell dings, don't look in the refrigerator for your food.
Posted by: Nash Rambler at May 21, 2012 04:33 AM (lxk/v)
Kimberlin and his “Velvet Revolution” partner Brad Friedman team [with] Democrat operative Neal Rauhauser’s role in an apparent conspiracy to harass Tea Party activists online. -- the other McCain
Posted by: panzernashorn at May 21, 2012 04:35 AM (lpWVn)
When the microwave bell dings, don't look in the refrigerator for your food.
Posted by: Nash Rambler, mostly not still hungry
Lol.
Posted by: Mama AJ, mostly not a smart ass at May 21, 2012 04:36 AM (XdlcF)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 21, 2012 04:37 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 21, 2012 04:38 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: macintx at May 21, 2012 04:39 AM (ucs8Y)
Obviously you need a coffee IV. Stat.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 21, 2012 04:41 AM (sbV1u)
Well, he IS smarter than anyone else in the room (even when he is by himself). And the military brass have all been neutered and PC-ed, so I don't think it makes much difference. Military decisions (under Obamao I) are made to serve the Emperor and there needs to be no thought otherwise.
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 21, 2012 04:41 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 21, 2012 04:42 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: Case at May 21, 2012 04:42 AM (FKGw9)
Posted by: GnuBreed at May 21, 2012 04:43 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 21, 2012 04:43 AM (05RcU)
Think what "citizen love" there was for the Clinton's was for BJ Bill, not Hill. At least we knew who he was screwing in the White House!
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 21, 2012 04:43 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: dogfish at May 21, 2012 08:31 AM (N2yhW)
Some UK reporters were on to the JEF's horseshit back in the 2008 campaign. I can't imagine them regarding our domestic MFM as anything but retarded clowns.
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 21, 2012 04:46 AM (wcH9x)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 21, 2012 04:46 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: Dagny at May 21, 2012 04:46 AM (mFIbw)
Dumping Slow Joe Biden is probably about the only way Obismal can save his floundering campaign at this point. Hillary is the obvious choice for a last minute line up change, too. Though I'm not so sure it will re-invigorate the democrat base. Hillary has been a part of King Putt's administration since the start, and people are not going to look upon her kindly for the joke she's helped make of America.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 21, 2012 04:46 AM (L7hol)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 21, 2012 04:47 AM (05RcU)
It's so sad that the Democrats can't think of anyone else who might help them besides Hillary. She has let her appearance go, which obviously means she's not interested in anything but retirement.
And by sad, I mean really really funny.
Posted by: Mama AJ, still mostly not a smart ass at May 21, 2012 04:48 AM (XdlcF)
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at May 21, 2012 04:49 AM (5H6zj)
http://freebeacon.com/not-the-real-world/
Posted by: GnuBreed at May 21, 2012 04:49 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: macintx at May 21, 2012 08:39 AM (ucs8Y)
Oh, it's a strong ticket alright. Hillary is no ways tard.
Posted by: kallisto at May 21, 2012 04:49 AM (jm/9g)
And by sad, I mean really really funny.
Posted by: Mama AJ, still mostly not a smart ass at May 21, 2012 08:48 AM (XdlcF)
Tammy Bruce addresses this fairly often and always comments that she's surely pounding the Val-U-Rite heavily.
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 21, 2012 04:51 AM (wcH9x)
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The Republican Party has a lot of rising stars. Who do the Dems have? I can't think of one.
Posted by: mama winger at May 21, 2012 04:51 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 21, 2012 08:47 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 21, 2012 04:51 AM (i3+c5)
He is Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces. That's not "a top Iranian military commander," that's the top Iranian military commander.
Posted by: Channeling Reverend Daughtry at May 21, 2012 04:52 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 21, 2012 04:52 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 21, 2012 04:52 AM (nEUpB)
On a completely different note: new post up at my place, and another 'Growing Police State' post will be up later this morning or early this afternoon.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 21, 2012 04:53 AM (8y9MW)
Some UK reporters were on to the JEF's horseshit back in the 2008 campaign. I can't imagine them regarding our domestic MFM as anything but retarded clowns.
I cannot believe I am typing this, but I really don't think clowns deserve to be insulted by that comparison.
'sup, jackwagons? I was reading about the implosion of the Euro yesterday and how it's pretty much help us Germany, you're our only hope and all I could think was "Yeah, I know how this story ends". I'm going to have to take a long hard look at my portfolio and determine if there's anything still left in European investments and, if so, what to do. My inital response of FLEE FLEE FLEE is probably the correct one.
In other news, I've been reading that the unemployment rate for college grads for the last two years is something like 50+%. Put me some knowledge, is that actually right? Because if so, I loathe the SCOAMF even more for actually destroying a generation.
Posted by: alexthechick at May 21, 2012 04:53 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 21, 2012 04:53 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: NukeBoy at May 21, 2012 04:54 AM (f9TbK)
Posted by: Mr Pink at May 21, 2012 04:55 AM (g98XS)
I disagree with Vic. You may have read my comments about this before. I estimate the percentage of "true independents", those folks that really do flip-flop at 10%.
These are low-intel voters. They don't know the difference between Keynes and Hayek. But they vote their pocketbook.
Posted by: Jimbo at May 21, 2012 04:55 AM (O3R/2)
Or she is carefully cultivating an outside-the-beltway persona that would play very well with the squishy idiot independents who decide elections.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 21, 2012 04:55 AM (nEUpB)
I wish I shared your certainty. But a quick look at the Electoral College map is more than enough to show this is not a lock. Not even remotely.
Remember, there are a lot of semi-literate half-wits located in cities, and they want lots of free stuff they we're going to have to pay for.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 21, 2012 04:56 AM (sbV1u)
He stole everything from Winklevoss, Winklevoss, and Narendra.
Posted by: Zombie Shane at May 21, 2012 07:42 AM (JW/aG)
Not only is he a scumbag, he's an Obama loving scumbag.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 21, 2012 04:59 AM (bLfwX)
Eh?
My money is on Israel in this fight.
Book your flights. The place is amazing. The religious history alone is incredible, not to mention it is physically stunning, culturally fascinating, the food is great, and the chicks are smokin' hot.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 21, 2012 05:00 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 21, 2012 05:00 AM (05RcU)
Those are the numbers that have been tossed around for a week or so, but I don't know what the source is.
Anecdotally? I believe it based on what I see among students and recent grads around here.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 21, 2012 05:02 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Drunken Sex Offender & (Wo)Manslaughterer / Lion of the Senate at May 21, 2012 05:03 AM (8/DeP)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 21, 2012 09:00 AM (05RcU)
I'm not seeing the problem here; it's not like there's nothing else to do in NYC. When I'm there I'm usually pissed at the hard choices I have to make on what to forgo doing.
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 21, 2012 05:04 AM (wcH9x)
And yet the Cherokee was so much better than the slut granddaughter.
Posted by: Dagny at May 21, 2012 05:04 AM (mFIbw)
I know and Anthropology major working for Fed. Ex.
Yeah, anecdotal. I bet the UE for engineering grads is far lower.
How much you want to bet that the three majors that Latina in TX has are Women's Studies, Grievance Studies and Hispanic Studies?
Posted by: Jimbo at May 21, 2012 05:04 AM (O3R/2)
Fools. How else are they going to fill those seats? The Yankees sure aren't doing it with their play!
Seriously, my wife and I love watching games when there are a few hundred or thousand sailors in the stands. The optics are great, and it seems like a happy and fun time for all of them.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 21, 2012 05:05 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: mama winger at May 21, 2012 05:05 AM (P6QsQ)
Do any Ohio morons know why my television is being deluged by garbage ads of some pissing contest between AEP and First Energy?...
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 21, 2012 08:25 AM (wcH9x)
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I just got a letter from First Energy wanting me to switch natural gas suppliers (picking them, of course). They're promising some fraction of a penny savings compared to my current supplier. I think it's companies fighting for business since Ohio allows competition between utility providers now.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at May 21, 2012 05:06 AM (M0NzJ)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)
We're not happy because we're watching the Yankees. We're happy because it means an endless supply of poon for a week.
Posted by: Seaman First Class John Paul Jones at May 21, 2012 05:07 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 21, 2012 05:08 AM (05RcU)
Not a headline, but it ought to be - more than 15,000 surviving American veterans of World War II who took part in the liberation of France have yet to be awarded the Legion d'honneur they earned for their bravery and sacrifice in that struggle. The French government is making an effort to right this wrong, and is asking that anyone knowing an eligible vet contact their Embassy or one of their many Consulates.
This could really mean a lot to these guys, and it's an honor that they richly deserve. Just thought it worth mentioning in case anyone knows a WWII vet who would qualify - as I understand it, any service in France during the Liberation would count, from D-Day on through the march into Paris.
Posted by: A. Pendragon at May 21, 2012 05:10 AM (pYA5L)
Posted by: Vic at May 21, 2012 05:12 AM (YdQQY)
Agree about the chicks.
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 21, 2012 05:12 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 21, 2012 09:08 AM (05RcU)
You obviously don't see the far-reaching implications of the Bud Selig sooper-genius master plan.
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 21, 2012 05:12 AM (wcH9x)
Posted by: clemenza at May 21, 2012 05:13 AM (Epz9+)
But selling off slaves isn't the same as granting slaves their freedom. Just another case of "avoiding the APPEARANCE of evil" -- passing on the sin to the highest bidder.
Early Mormons were taught and practiced POLYGAMY that amounted to white sex slaves. Too many of the plural wives were young teenage girls marrying older men, converts from "white" Europe, taking on gullible faith the missionary promise that "All is well in Zion. Come to Zion." Think of the victimization of the plural wives burdened with farms in the wilderness and so many little mouths to feed, when "liberated" from polygamous-slavery by being left destitute in the mountains and deserts, those who'd been exiled on orders ("Mission") to colonize outside of Utah without a vote, now deprived ANY help from a husband when the Mormon hierarchy finally determined to quit polygamy, tired of imprisonment. Husbands abandoned entire families at that time when The United Order had also disbanded, after the Church had already confiscated everyone's wealth, redistributing "according to ability and need" glutting the First Presidency's financial holdings. These plural wives with children to raise worked themselves to the grave, and their Mormon communities despised the NEED to provide charity, holding a grudge against the remnants of what the majority chose to sluff off as if it never happened, unpleasant evidence. As if the Fundamentalist Mormons aren't eschewed on the same grounds, belligerence against authority, unpleasant living testaments of how Mormonism began and colonized the West. There was no escape, no return to "Christian" civilization, already being the reject of social rejects, and no funds for escape, no place to go.
That Romney's Scottish immigrant carpenter Mormon convert ancestor refused to abandon his plural wives could be interpreted as a love story of polygamous sorts... at least the children were not deprived the (common) father, and the wives were financially secure in Colonia Dublin, MEXICO. Once having determined to be a polygamist, he did the "honorable" thing -- at least being consistent. Ah, but once revisionism took hold of doctrine, it's been flip-flop ever since. Call your generation's revisionism evolving progress, Mitt. You won't be the first.
What matters? THE ECONOMY, STUPID. And Mitt Romney represents the Repo Men, proud of it, proud of them. Just reference Ed Morrissey's ass licking interview with Mitt. Not surprising, Buy Danish loves TARP! Mitt will fuck US Taxpayers with more bail-outs of global investment pirates whom Mitt is proud to be amongst. "Promise them anything; just get their votes!"
Posted by: panzernashorn at May 21, 2012 05:15 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: maddogg at May 21, 2012 05:15 AM (OlN4e)
It would have been better if France had just refrained from stabbing us in the back 1000 times since we saved their worthless asses in WWII. You know their vaunted Euro was designed for one reason and one reason only - to attack the US dollar. The Euroscum used to be proud to talk about that. Not much anymore .... just like France has slithered back into a full membership in NATO (yes, we're idiots for letting them back ... but look at us, now) after having used their connection to NATO to do nothing but inhibit the US and work actively against our interests. ANd that doesn't even get into how they worked to fuck America over time and time again in the UNSC, which was another bit of froggish back-stabbing to get us to put them on that ridiculous panel as a permanent member.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 21, 2012 05:19 AM (X3lox)
Obama's new handle. Two dogs eaten under a tree.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 21, 2012 05:21 AM (mFxQX)
Posted by: clemenza at May 21, 2012 05:22 AM (Epz9+)
Europe (and now the US under the Dog-Eater) are just waiting for Israel to take out Iran's nukes, after which they are going to pounce on Israel and try their best to destroy the nation. This has been their clear plan for years. Just look at the idiocy the world ramped up when Israel stopped the Gaza "flotilla". The Euros are just waiting to extinguish Israel .. and with the Dog-Eater running the Executive branch, the US joined those dickheads in the same pursuit. Israel was truly alone the day Barky was elected, and they should have known it.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 21, 2012 05:23 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at May 21, 2012 05:23 AM (qFpRI)
Posted by: A. Pendragon at May 21, 2012 05:26 AM (pYA5L)
Posted by: Barack Insane Obama at May 21, 2012 05:26 AM (DNTer)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 21, 2012 05:27 AM (DNTer)
Last time I checked, Corey Booker was a Democrat. What would you have him say? He defended Romney' relationship with Bain, and then spouted the party line about how Obama should be reelected.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 21, 2012 05:30 AM (nEUpB)
The Republican Party has a lot of rising stars. Who do the Dems have?
They have a seemingly endless supply of Kennedys. BTW this be the first convo since Teddy expired. I can't wait for the prime time weep fest. When was the last time the dems had a convention that didn't include a Kennedy memorial?
Posted by: Nash Rambler at May 21, 2012 05:31 AM (lxk/v)
[scratches head]
What's special about today? Castle Bravo was detonated March 1, 1954, and there were quite a few large-scale hydrogen bomb tests on Bikini Atoll before May 21, 1957.
Posted by: A national lab nuclear geek at May 21, 2012 05:31 AM (opLk0)
Posted by: Anthony Weiner at May 21, 2012 05:32 AM (Os+6p)
I know. That's why I left the part about the servicemen out. If they want the honors from France then they have certainly earned the right to get them (decades ago before most of them who survived the war died would have been the decent thing for th French to do). I'm just not sure many would want honors from a nation that has turned around and screwed us so badly right after we saved them - but I didn't want to put this part in my response.
It was at the 60th anniversary of D-Day that the French were still working so hard to screw us over before Iraq and Chiraq was talking about how "History never repeats itself ... every situation is different ..." which must have ticked off quite a few people. The French spit in our face at that D-Day anniversary. It was one of the most disgusting things I have seen.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 21, 2012 05:32 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 21, 2012 05:32 AM (DNTer)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 21, 2012 05:33 AM (8y9MW)
Some of the veterans, many wearing military uniform shirts over black anti-war t-shirts, choked back tears as they explained their actions. Others folded an American flag while a bugle played "Taps," which is typically performed at U.S. military funerals.
"The medals are supposed to be for acts of heroism. I don't feel like a hero. I don't feel like I deserve them," said Zach LaPorte, who served in Iraq in 2005 and 2006.
They're heroes to the MFM. BTW, the number of losers who are protesting are a lot smaller than anyone predicted. The MFM is (of course) making it seem like it's a huge number but it's maybe a couple of thousand
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 21, 2012 05:33 AM (bLfwX)
A good sign:
A video going semi-viral is out there of an NC highschool teacher with the Obama leg-tingles arguing with her class that criticizing Obama will get you arrested. (GW Bush had no comment). The good part is that she was harping about Romney being a bully, and one student mentioned the episode with Obama bullying the girl.
It's nice that even highschoolers are hearing the rebuttals.
Posted by: Roy at May 21, 2012 05:35 AM (VndSC)
Fools and their money ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 21, 2012 05:35 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Low Info Voters Jim & Mary Thunderthighs at May 21, 2012 05:36 AM (x1L8S)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 21, 2012 05:36 AM (DNTer)
Posted by: gracepmc at May 21, 2012 05:38 AM (rznx3)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 21, 2012 05:38 AM (DNTer)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 21, 2012 05:39 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: mama winger at May 21, 2012 05:40 AM (P6QsQ)
Honey, you forgot your midol. They say taking calcium and staying away from caffeine helps. Also getting laid. Something in the semen that acts as an anti-anxiety/rage drug.
Posted by: Dagny at May 21, 2012 05:41 AM (mFIbw)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 21, 2012 05:41 AM (05RcU)
http://tinyurl.com/7medeyf
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 21, 2012 05:42 AM (UOM48)
No, the town says they aren't even going to discipline her. Apparently being stupid as hell, wrong as hell, politically fucking nuts, and abusive is good in that school system. What a bunch of tools. I'm waiting to see if they try to discipline the kid for recording her.
Posted by: Dagny at May 21, 2012 05:42 AM (mFIbw)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 21, 2012 05:43 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 21, 2012 05:43 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: clemenza at May 21, 2012 05:43 AM (Epz9+)
Posted by: Campbell Brown at May 21, 2012 05:44 AM (c3mby)
Hey termite guy, that blue star flag next to the front door? Get a clue and call next time.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 21, 2012 05:44 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at May 21, 2012 05:46 AM (pVvkk)
Posted by: Anthony Weiner>>>
Me too (But I'll need a new computer and internet access)
Posted by: Alvin Greene at May 21, 2012 05:47 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Museisluse at May 21, 2012 05:47 AM (q2H2p)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 21, 2012 05:47 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 21, 2012 05:48 AM (DNTer)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 21, 2012 09:32 AM (X3lox)
You've got a definite point there, and there is no question that whoever came up with the phrase "Perfidious Albion" should have been looking at the other side of the Channel instead. (Not to say that the Brits haven't done their share of conduct unbecoming with us, but in a weird way it's sort of an inter-familial conflict with us and them.)
I was motivated in part because I witnessed news coverage of one of these ceremonies here in Mississippi and it was very touching to watch - the veteran was there with his family (three generations present) and he seemed to take it as thanks and recognition for his service, and an acknowledgement of the debt owed to those he served with who paid the ultimate price. I think it well could be that many vets might see it the same way, and even if they didn't, they at least deserve the option to have the decoration made available to them and be able to choose how they would prefer to respond.
Posted by: A. Pendragon at May 21, 2012 05:53 AM (pYA5L)
Chinese BUY AMC second largest theater chain in US,,,Popcorn is being replaced by fried rice and egg rolls at your local movie house - Clemenza
Actually, that would be an improvement in my humble opinion. The consequences of China holding a huge balance of trade surplus with us and needing to get all those depreciating dollars into some kind of asset before they hurt the reminbi
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at May 21, 2012 05:53 AM (RFeQD)
Hey termite guy, that blue star flag next to the front door? Get a clue and call next time.
Oh man, I had to drop something off for work once and when I pulled up to the house I saw the blue star flag. I called the office and asked if the people knew I was coming. They said no and I demanded their number to call. I quite literally called from in front of their house because I didn't want to do that to the family.
I once had a receptionist stick her head in my office and say your mom's on one and says it's important. I nearly sprained something diving for the phone as this was during the time my father was having major health issues. In response to my oh god what's wrong, is dad okay, I got "hey honey don't forget to pick up that stuff at the church on your way home tonight". I wanted to throttle both of them.
Posted by: alexthechick at May 21, 2012 05:54 AM (VtjlW)
Hey morons. Last night I saw the first TV ad from Crossroads GPS. It was damn good. Shows a few of Obama's 2008 campaign promises, in his own words, then how he has broken them. At the end it says "call President Obama and tell him to stop campaigning and get to work keeping his promises." I liked it.
Also got a call Saturday from Tom Smith, PA Senate candidate against candy-ass Bob Casey. I gave him some money. Guy on the phone said they were getting huge response from calls and campaign is fired up. I think we will beat Casey and I do think Romney will win PA.
Posted by: rockmom at May 21, 2012 05:55 AM (N2svL)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 21, 2012 05:57 AM (05RcU)
New Date- Jun 2 (that's the following week).
Same as ever: email me (dedicatedtenther[at]gmail[dot]com) if you're interested.
I'll email ace, but he won't respond, so if one of the Cob-loggers (Gabe? Ben? Andy? DiT?) would sticky post that, I'd appreciate it.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 21, 2012 06:00 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Ian S. at May 21, 2012 06:00 AM (wllJH)
Posted by: Dagny at May 21, 2012 06:01 AM (mFIbw)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 21, 2012 06:02 AM (05RcU)
Posted by: Dagny at May 21, 2012 06:03 AM (mFIbw)
Posted by: GeorgeClinton at May 21, 2012 06:03 AM (1X/a4)
Posted by: t-bird at May 21, 2012 06:03 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 21, 2012 06:04 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 21, 2012 06:04 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 21, 2012 06:05 AM (DNTer)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 21, 2012 06:05 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Bank of America at May 21, 2012 06:06 AM (DNTer)
From Gateway Pundit:
NEWLY DISCOVERED VIDEO Previously Scrubbed From YouTube Shows Trayvon Martin Participating in Local Fight Club
http://tinyurl.com/d5yp2qe
Posted by: Tami at May 21, 2012 06:06 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Dagny at May 21, 2012 06:08 AM (mFIbw)
Also, the Castle series was 1954. Vic's talking about Wigwam Cherokee (!!!), the first US airdrop of a thermonuclear device.
because Superman isn't a Natural Born Citizen
Eh, it varies with the source; John Byrne's post-Crisis reboot had him emerging from a sort of artificial womb on the ship after it landed, so technically he was born on US soil. Make what you will of that. No idea what the current state of play on the character's background is, they seem to reboot the continuity at DC every decade or so now.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica City DMV at May 21, 2012 06:09 AM (GBXon)
Jeez, then Barbara Streisand is a hell of a lot more Cherokee than Eliz Warren.
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 21, 2012 06:10 AM (1X/a4)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 21, 2012 10:02 AM (05RcU)
Whatever schools gave that retard a diploma and let her loose on students should have their accreditation revoked, immediately. That idiot obviously couldn't pass a reasonable test for a fifth grader. Listening to that tape almost made me cry for how incredibly stupid that "teacher" was. She was like Sheila Jackson Lee's more retarded sister.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 21, 2012 06:11 AM (X3lox)
She's the product of decades of liberal academia and political corrrectness. She is the zenith of modern liberal thinking: 52% of voters think she's the bomb.
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at May 21, 2012 06:13 AM (pVvkk)
Also got a call Saturday from Tom Smith, PA Senate candidate against candy-ass Bob Casey. I gave him some money. Guy on the phone said they were getting huge response from calls and campaign is fired up. I think we will beat Casey and I do think Romney will win PA.
Posted by: rockmom at May 21, 2012 09:55 AM (N2svL)
I hate Rove with the heat of a gazillion supernovas but his Crossroads GPS ads have been extremely well done. I think we're in the advantageous position of having such a target rich environment re the JEF that he can pull a "full Costanza" and still be successful.
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 21, 2012 06:14 AM (wcH9x)
But sadly the Morons didn't catch the Louis Réard reference. I thought at least the 'ettes would.
Posted by: Vic at May 21, 2012 06:15 AM (YdQQY)
Listening to that tape almost made me cry for how incredibly stupid that "teacher" was.
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That was my primary reaction, more idiocy than idealogy. I don't have kids and it's been a while since I was in school, so I was also taken aback by the language and unruliness in the classroom.
Posted by: Nash Rambler at May 21, 2012 06:15 AM (lxk/v)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 21, 2012 06:16 AM (SWgny)
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Now imagine you are her student, locked in that class day after day, week after week, month after month. I cannot fathom how parents can subject their children to this type of educational abuse and failure. Yet people do it as a matter of routine by sending their children to public schools every day with teachers just like this.
Posted by: mama winger at May 21, 2012 06:16 AM (P6QsQ)
That kid has already transferred to another school, so he's good.
Posted by: Seaman First Class John Paul Jones at May 21, 2012 06:17 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at May 21, 2012 10:13 AM (pVvkk)
I like to talk about the fact that education grads have the worst average GRE scores of everyone - they even do worse on the math sections than the English grads - but this chick was so far beyond that it was incredible. And she surely didn't go to grad school so those poor education GREs don't even include the brain-dead people like her.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 21, 2012 06:17 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica City DMV at May 21, 2012 06:17 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: alexthechick at May 21, 2012 08:53 AM (VtjlW)
ATC, my nephew graduated two years ago with a degree in Actuarial Sciences (or some such. Something to do with actuary.) Complex, math-heavy major that required taking tests to be certified. He got a 6-month internship after graduating and passing the big test for them. After that, nothing. He now tosses newspapers and works in a restaurant. My understanding is that this is not at all atypical.
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 21, 2012 06:18 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 21, 2012 06:20 AM (05RcU)
Those stats aren't just current either. They go all the way back to the 1920s. (Yes I know SATs and GREs weren't around then, but other metrics were.) Eduction majors as a group are the bottom of the intellectual barrel no matter what metric you pick.
Thomas Sowell (who else?) covered it all in 1993 in Inside American Education
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 21, 2012 06:21 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 21, 2012 06:23 AM (1X/a4)
I first noticed it when I got my GREs back and they had all the averages for intended concentrations on the back. That was in the 80s. I was shocked by the education scores. Shocked!
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 21, 2012 06:23 AM (X3lox)
These are low-intel voters. They don't know the difference between Keynes and Hayek. But they vote their pocketbook."
I agree "swing voters" is a misnomer--very few LIKELY VOTERS are really "on the fence," esp. given the choice we've got this year. But...
Key point to remember: in even the highest turnout elections, some 35-40% do not vote. In the lowest, 45-50% don't vote. Why? Who knows? But you see there is as much of a 15% swing in total voters there.
But it makes sense that marginal voters will be less inclined to come out if (a) times are good, and (b) there's not much contrast in the candidates. Those factors are NOT here now.
Even the smartest pollsters can't really predict how people will turn out. But I'd say the stars are aligned for a great surge of "new voters" for Romney. And the left won't know what hit 'em.
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 21, 2012 06:30 AM (1X/a4)
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 21, 2012 08:53 AM (i3+c5)
Gak! Israel has strong leadership .BH. also an amazing military intellect, and a desire to Live! don't sell short.
LChaim!
Posted by: willow at May 21, 2012 06:30 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 21, 2012 06:31 AM (1X/a4)
Thomas Sowell (who else?) covered it all in 1993 in Inside American Education
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 21, 2012 10:21 AM (sbV1u)
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Bork in his Slouching book also pointed out that the brightest women used to go into teaching. Now they go into business, science, etc.
Posted by: Nash Rambler at May 21, 2012 06:31 AM (lxk/v)
This is so true about the Education cohort (both GRE scores and across the academic performance spectrum as well) - I can't count the number of times in Academia that I've heard so-and-so dismissed as an "Ed Major."
And if you really want to get people from various academic persuasions united on one topic, get them to weigh in on the rigor and relative value of an "Ed.d." degree.
Posted by: A. Pendragon at May 21, 2012 06:32 AM (pYA5L)
Posted by: Vic at May 21, 2012 10:27 AM (YdQQY)
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Yeah, but it's staying on one topic. It's weird.
Posted by: Nash Rambler at May 21, 2012 06:33 AM (lxk/v)
And who cares about FB?
The Chicoms approved the Google/Motorola deal.
I'm rich less poor I tell you, less poor!
Posted by: Nash Rambler at May 21, 2012 06:35 AM (lxk/v)
do flip-flop at 10%.
That's why they have betting windows at horse races. I still say it is less than 5%.
Yeah, but it's staying on one topic. It's weird.
Posted by: Nash Rambler at May 21, 2012 10:33 AM (lxk/v)
Its an open thread too!
Posted by: Vic at May 21, 2012 06:36 AM (YdQQY)
Do you think food irradiation is safe?
Do you fear the amount of radiation that was calculated to be released if Yucca mountain had been allowed to go into service?
Do you think the amount of radiation given off by granite counter tops is safe?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 21, 2012 06:50 AM (tf9Ne)
Do you think food irradiation is safe?
Do you fear the amount of radiation that was calculated to be released if Yucca mountain had been allowed to go into service?
Do you think the amount of radiation given off by granite counter tops is safe?
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No, no, and no.
I did wonder once as I was touring a particle board furniture factory what was up with the laminating linespeople wearing radiation detectors on their person, since I don't wear one when I sit at the desk they made.
Posted by: Jimmah at May 21, 2012 06:58 AM (UpwlP)
Posted by: Vic at May 21, 2012 07:10 AM (YdQQY)
I *know* the Castle series was 1954, that being a key point I was making in the very first sentence of my posting. The point was, if the original posting was denoting the first airdrop of a hydrogen bomb, it was quite thoroughly buried in the rest of the text, which incorrectly ascribes the uninhabitability of the islands to that particular test and places the Cherokee event essentially on top of Bravo.
Reading for comprehension. It's not just for breakfast anymore...
Posted by: National lab nuclear geek at May 21, 2012 07:45 AM (PMGbu)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica City DMV at May 21, 2012 08:08 AM (GBXon)
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