1 I'm. #1!!!!

2 Our police departments are becoming more and more detached from reality. They are little fiefdoms in the midst of what they see as a hostile citizenry.

And it's going to get worse.

3 A riot broke out in Anaheim yesterday after officers shot and killed an unarmed man. The police are being rather tight-lipped about what occurred. Community members say the man was shot in the back as he ran from officers. It was just Albert Pujols running to first base. Why did they have to shoot him?

4 Gabe,  thanks for that info on the baggage handling!  I cannot figure why US Air thinks they won't lose customers over this.

5 Good on USAirways.

6 I'm. #1!!!!

Posted by: TEH WON at July 23, 2012 06:59 AM (koMEC)

You didn't earn that. If Al Gore hadn't invented the internet and Ace hadn't started this blog, you would be a nobody loser

7 Man, just followed the linky to the politico piece where the dumbocrats are telling pelosi to get bent (again). Pretty funny stuff. However...

Have never read an entire politburo, er, politico article all the way through before- yikes, what a horribly slanted article. No wonder lefties are so delusional, if that's the tripe they shovel into their knobby skulls on a regular basis.

8 I barely understand that "interline bag thing" but I did note the tea-party bashing in the comments.


...so if I ever have to fly into FOD on the rinky-dink airline that has the only passenger service, I should not choose USAir for my connection in MSP, because I'll have to collect my suitcase, recheck it, and go through security again?

9

Good morning, all.  Hope you had a great weekend.  It's Monday and I'm back at work, so you can understand I'm not in a great mood.  Sunday was the birthday (1893) of the Bride of Frankenstein director James Whale.  Sir Ian McKellen gives a fascinating recreation of the man in the movie Gods and Monsters.  There won't be much in the way of birthdays this week, so I'll probably be telling stories most days.

So let's start with screenwriter Ken Englund, whose credits include No, No Nanette, Androcles and the Lion, The Big Broadcast of 1938 and episodes of Bewitched, among others. 

 

In the essay Quick!  Boil Some Hot Cliches, Englund, beginning: Let us roll up our sleeves and tray to scrub some of these cobwebs off our celluloid.  There was a Geneva Convention to outlaw poison gas; can't the members of the Screen Writers' Guild get together to ban and consign to limbo the following which I have tried to categorize? mentioned 16 screen cliches that still ring true.  Here are a couple that I enjoyed:

 

The Outdoor, or, Aint-Nature-Grand Love Scene:

The Girl in a tight white sweater takes a deep breath and looks around at the other wonders of nature and exclaims (after much coaching): "Oh, Timothy, isn't it beautiful?"  Timothy takes a look at her heaving sweater and exclaims back significantly: "Sure is!" and his meaning isn't lost on anyone.

 

The Star Can't Go On and The Understudy Takes Her Place:

Leo McCarey had the only practical suggestion for a new switch on this chestnut.  The Leading Lady gets sick.  The Understudy gets her big chance.  All her dreams have come true.  She runs, puts on her makeup and costume and then, as she descends the iron ladder, she trips coming down in all her excitement and breaks both legs.  The show never opens.

 

Army and Navy Stories:

Honest to God, it's moider, fellahs!  Is there some law or somethin' that says we gotta have a guy from Brooklyn in every company of the US Army, Navy and Marines who sighs for Moitle, rhapsodizes about the beauties of Prospect Park - ad nauseam?

10 #8  You should read the one on Michelle Bachmann. 

I have serious concerns about the Muslim Brotherhood's influence in Washington,  but I wish the person speaking about it was someone with more clout.

However,  after Politico's efforts to portray everyone in Minnesota as Islamaphobic rubes, I am not going to attack Bachmann.

11

You didn't earn that.  If Al Gore hadn't invented the internet and Ace hadn't started this blog, you would be a nobody loser.

 

Can't he be both, like the late Earl Warren?

12 #9  That is what I understand.   According to my understanding, this is US Air's snit fit due to new federal requirements on informing passengers of baggage charges.  So,  much as I dislike federal interference,  I dislike penalizing the passengers in this horrendous way.

I am old enough to remember when US Air was Allegheny.  And as far as I am concerned,  their service hasn't improved,  even with the name change.

13 It's the bureaucrats who will use the "tougher decisive call" against those Marine Military Police who respond under threat as Marine first, police next as is already the case for a much publicized honorable warrior rotting in Leavenworth Prison. PC PR rules the political roost which pulls the deceitful strings of war policy. It isn't as if the "Karzai"-Bush Rules of Engagement have been repealed from dictating our military behavioral unrealistic expectations, to be all things to all people at all times. And more fearsome in the end is the opportunistic tyrant's executive order that the Military Police function stateside, never wasting a crisis.

"Marine Corps creates law enforcement battalions"
Julie Watson, AP News, 22 July 12
The law of war allows for fighters to use deadly force as a first resort, while police officers use it as a last resort. If Marines are sent in to do law enforcement but are attacked, will they go back to being warfighters? And if so, what are the implications? Solis asked. "Am I a Marine or a cop? Can I be both?" he said. "Cops apply human rights law and Marines apply the law of war. Now that it's blended, it makes it tougher for the young men and women who have to make the decision as to when deadly force is not appropriate."

14 Regarding the CFL bulbs, I can only say "Smart Science, is there anything it can't do?".

Transferring from a known proven incandescent bulb technology to one that uses a known poison and is thus unsafe to handle, now shown to be unsafe to be close to, does not live up to its longevity claims, is mostly made in China (or offshore for the purist), and provides crappy light,  I must say we of the EPA (and your elected Congresspersons) done it to you again!

15 Solutions are easy facist wingnuts...ban ALL guns = end ALL crime!

Duhhhhh!

Idiots!

16 Posted by: Miss Marple at July 23, 2012 07:16 AM (GoIUi)

Just because you're islamophobic, doesn't mean the muz aren't really out there and have active plans to subjugate you and yours.

17 Morning!

The Dem party is in disarray.  They try to put on their game face and act like everything is rosy under their Dear Leader, but they all know the house of cards is falling down around them.  The MSM will ignore all that, however.. and you will see only the positive messages coming out of their convention this summer.

18 Posted by: KayInMaine at July 23, 2012 07:31 AM (/Aauo)

I agree completely, but we shouldn't stop there!

We should ban comic books because look what they did in Colorado. And of course movies, because if it weren't for the Batman movie everyone would be fine.

But that's not all. 25,000 people are killed by drunk drivers each year, so we should ban alcohol, and cars just to be sure.

THEN we will be safe!

19 Today's celebrity birthdays: Arthur Treacher (limey cuisine) Robert Brown ("M" Mk.II) Bert Convy (played in the minors for Philly) Don Drysdale (2486 K's) Anthony Kennedy (who'da thunk it?) Ronny Cox ("In 30 seconds you'll be dead, and I'll blow this place up and be home in time for corn flakes.") Don Imus ("cadaverous has-been" - Rush) Larry Manetti (rode in the 308 w/the 'stache) Edie McClurg ("He makes you look like an ass, is what he does, Ed.") Theo van Gogh (harbinger) Woody Harrelson (pothead, vegan, truther) Eriq La Salle (karate chop TV doc) Saul "Slash" Hudson (black white guitarist) Philip Seymour Hoffman (chameleon) Stephanie Seymour (dated Axl Rose) Alison Krauss (27 Grammys) Daniel Radcliffe (famous for playing a wiz) Monica Lewinsky (famous for something that rhymes with wiz)

20

I say ban Hollywood, Kay.  If you moonbats wanted to hang Sarah Palin after the Giffords shooting, you should want Hollywood raked over the coals for Aurora.

 

Unless you're a hypocrite.

 

Or a Democrat.

 

Or insane.

 

Which you are.  Carry on, then.

21 #13 "bipartisan" is democratic dog whistle for "do it our way"

22 #19 Oh, I agree.   It's just so irritating to read Politco's smug articles,  including the notation that her constituents "holler out" to her.

Note that the normal word would be "shout."  But when Politico uses the word "holler" it confers a rubishness to those being described.  The writer has probably NEVER used that word in a description prior to today.

I hate Politico.

23 Today's deathdays: Roger Sherman (Founding Father) Ulysses S. Grant (POTUS #1 Montgomery Clift (Eleanor's former BIL) Eddie Rickenbacker (eulogized by Jimmy Doolittle) Vic Morrow, My-Ca Dinh Le and Renee Shin-Yi Chen Leo McKern (Rumpole of the Bailey) Amy Winehouse (a mess) Chip Mayer ("Alright! Alright, it's true, okay? I humped her brains out! There, now ya happy?") RIP.

24 Posted by: KayInMaine at July 23, 2012 07:31 AM (/Aauo)

Was that a truck filled with guns that McVeigh used to blow up the Murrah Bldg.?

25 oops Ulysses S. Grant (POTUS #18 )

26 Ummm.. guys.. I think Kay was being ironic.

She is probably unaware that irony was banned from AoS years ago..

27 11 the manner of delivery matters

Blame Bachmann for acting stupidly.

Michele's problem isn't necessarily that she begins an assault off base, but that she RELIES on sensationalism which is immediately distorted (as intended for fundraising or attention whoring affect).  The problem sensationalizing a verified point, or sensationalizing a fact, is that the entire premise gets corrupted as everyone over-reacts in CYA fashion, highly personalized rather than objectively discussing the record. Babies get self righteously tossed out with the politically incorrect bath water. Cue: McShame denouncing Bachmann as an Islamophobe, summoning the Washingtonian gauntlet response. Hillary Clinton Sec. of State associated, subtly or not, with the Muslim Brotherhood? Perish the thought, literally. Kill the pain in the ass messenger.

28 Would donating it to a museum get you a $0 tax deduction?

29 Sorry that was about the stuffed bald eagle art story from the comments

30 Would donating it to a museum get you a $0 tax deduction?

Posted by: tmitsss at July 23, 2012 07:46 AM (lYN6U)

No, that would be a blatant attempt to evade taxes much like that felon Romney did when he moved his own previously taxed and IRS audited funds to an offshore account.

Pay up comrade!

31 KayInMaine makes Sheila Jackson-Lee sound like a fucking genius.

32 Kay in Maine must have been sarc. That was too over the top stupid to be real.

33 Estate taxes screw another family out of its inheritance.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at July 23, 2012 07:31 AM (hvwLi)

 

 

 

I am no fan of estate taxes, but in this case it was even worse.  The IRS assigned value to something that had no value (in monetary terms).  This is a worse precedent - it shows that assigning value is utterly arbitrary.  Your family photos, a totally unsellable item, could now be deemed to have value if they so choose, and THERE IS NO RECOURSE.  That is what kills me - there's no real process to escape this.  Imagine if that art had been the only thing those  heirs had inherited - they'd be screwed beyond belief.  It's nothing but a huge albatross, thanks to the interfering do-gooderism of the damned State.

34 Kay's just upset because the stench of her cooter drove Holmes insane.  Or is Kay Vicki Kennedy?

Best Laugh: "The family friends said the sons also feel that Vicki Kennedy, who is
the public face of the institute, is stepping too much into the
political arena, undercutting the bipartisan spirit that marked the
senatorÂ’s career and the image the institute should project."



I'm sure Patches is getting some communications from his fat fuck dad from Hell that is guiding him in this.

35

Umm. . .guys. . .I think Kay was being ironic.

 

Yeah, but none of the usual trolls have woken up yet.  So bashing Kay is like batting a few fungoes before the real pitchers step up.

36 To  those who are bashing Bachman-

No one else would dare say what she has said.
Anyone who did would be painted the same way she has been.

37 Fuck.  Off, modified sock.

38 Edie McClurg ("He makes you look like an ass, is what he does, Ed.")


Edie McClurg was in Cheech 'n' Chong's Next Movie, along with Pee-Wee Herman.

39 Posted by: politically correct shit at July 23, 2012 07:45 AM (BAnPT)

It would nice to have a rational voice in a position of power and respect that would inform the people of the extent of the accommodation accorded the islamists throughout our government.  Very reminiscent of how the communists were accepted and tolerated in the good old days starting with FDR.

40 Would donating it to a museum get you a $0 tax deduction?

Posted by: tmitsss at July 23, 2012 07:46 AM (lYN6U)

 

 

 

 

It's illegal to possess or transport, so I assume this would not work either. 

41 Quite a few are refusing to pony up cash for the DCCC

Any spikes in mattress or cannoli sales, Large guys in suits backing up the Capitol Police at certain hallways.

42 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuvk of a miserable failure. Smells of elderberries too.

43 Wow!...from the Politico article about the DonkeyCrats in Congress refusing to pay tribute to their overlord Nazi Pelousy.

>>"The DCCC has told members that unless they pay their dues in full, they wonÂ’t get to partake in the committeeÂ’s Democratic National Convention package, complete with access to much sought-after hotel rooms and parties".<<

Yeah, that's what congressional service is all about...perks and parties

44 41 To those who are bashing Bachman- Get you a prayer rug and join the cult. Join or die, that's the muzzie mission. Infect the host like a cancer and eat away until you have taken over. That's the muzzie method. I'm not saying we should kill em all. They do however, need a level of containment.

45 Very reminiscent of how the communists were accepted and tolerated in the good old days starting with FDR.

Posted by: Hrothgar (IRS Examiner) at July 23, 2012 07:56 AM (Cnqmv)

 

 

 

 

Everything old is new again.  There seems to be no coziers spot for traitors than the loving embrace of the US government's bureaucratic appartus.  I find it amazing that our response the most successful/effective act of terrorism in US history has been to give the offending group greater access to power, wealth, special privelege, and secrets. 

 

 

Obeying the law seems to be folly.  The Occupoopers were basically rioters, comprised mainly by the trash of humanity, and those people are celebrated.  The tea party folks, law abiding and clean, are now the devil.  America's "opinion makers" + wood chipper.  Some assembly required.

46 They do however, need a level of containment.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 23, 2012 08:02 AM (9TTOe)

 

 

 

Like what?  Internment?  What policy would you endorse?

47 >>Your family photos, a totally unsellable item, could now be deemed to have value if they so choose,

I might be interested the Upton family photo album

48

To those who are bashing Bachman-

No one else would dare say what she has said.

 

I'm sure you mean no one else would be so idiotic to say what she has said. Zero proof of anything, but that won't stop her from making sleazy accusations. I still can't believe some people thought she was presidential material.

49 I'm sorry Gabe, does Huma not have family members in the Muslim Brotherhood?

50 "Coupon clipping" was eliminated around 1981, and the wealthy had to figure other ways to transfer money without penalty. Krugerrand's anyone?

Posted by: Doctor Fish at July 23, 2012 08:05 AM (hvwLi)

 

 

 

Right now the best way is to pauperize yourself when the end seems to be near.  Sell off the non-cash inheritance to the heirs for next to nothing.  At least then they only have to pay capital gains.  The cash part, though, is tough.  Large gold purchases/sales are tracked and reported.  But then, if you're rich you should be paying people to tell you how to get this shit done.  To assume that the government will in some way be benign and helpful is foolish wishing.

51 56, as compared to what presidential paragon?

52 They do however, need a level of containment.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 23, 2012 08:02 AM (9TTOe)

Like what? Internment? What policy would you endorse?


Trebuchet

53 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

54 Trebuchet

Posted by: fluffy at July 23, 2012 08:13 AM (z9HTb)

 

 

 

 

I like it.  And if we make Mexico the target, we can also use it as a means to return their wayward citizens to them.  Such productive, hard working folk - Mexico must miss their contribution!

 

55 I think it's perfectly acceptable to inquire about a government workers possible (family) ties to a terrorist organization, she works for the Sec. of State. after all. I'm tired of everyone being afraid to ask questions because it makes them look crazy. It takes balls to ask those questions, something McCain etc.. seem to be lacking.

56 Has Bachman ran out of steam in her personal battle against Liquid Whore?

57 The estate tax is a stupid tax, if you have enough wealth to trigger it, you have to beat off the planners with a stick. The process in the article is insane.

58 Posted by: typo dynamofo at July 23, 2012 08:09 AM (78gUL)

"SHUT UP!!!",  they say

59 IRS  intersections

Beginning his term, Obama aborted/limited tax deductions for charitable donations (he told Americans to donate to good causes whether OR NOT there was a tax break) even while he promoted the big titty baby "non-profit" tax subsidized organizations as a highly touted employment venue. Obama usurped the funds traditionally providing true charity to the "widows and orphans" to pipe into grants for non-charitable but also non-profit organizations, awarded to those of Marxist ideology.

Now in the last stretch of his term, Obama orders the IRS to focus on the taxes paid by non-profit organizations. Perish the thought that Marxist ideological non-profits are given a "free" pass by Mr. "I am not an ideologue."

Luke 7
41 “Two people owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. 42 Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he forgave the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?” 43 Simon replied, “I suppose the one who had the bigger debt forgiven.” “You have judged correctly,” Jesus said.

Luke 16:1-13
9“And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by unrighteous mammon, that when you fail, they may receive you into an everlasting home.”

60 >>you have to beat off the planners with a stick.

I prefer a lubed hand

61 I call 'Sock' On KayInSane.  That was far too lucid to be one of her posts.

That, or she finally got that prescription for Lithium filled.

62 I'm tired of everyone being afraid to ask questions because it makes them look crazy. It takes balls to ask those questions, something McCain etc.. seem to be lacking.

Posted by: spypeach at July 23, 2012 08:15 AM (9V/02)

 

 

 

 

Agreed.  And these days, nothing seems too crazy to be possible.  As I recall, Obastard nominated a guy for "safe schools" czar that had previously litigated on behalf of NAMBLA or some similar sleazy organization.  In what universe is that a reasonable call? 

63 Gabe, does Huma not have family members in the Muslim Brotherhood?


Please answer the question, Mr Malor.

64 Obama's people are clearly bidding up his chances on Intrade.  There is simply no reason for his prospects to rally +5 points in the last week.

Games being played here.

65

 

@59

"The nature of the evidence is irrelevant, it's the seriousness of the charge."

 

-Dan Rather

 

Damn, Rather had all that stupid rattling around in his brain?  Was this toward the end of his career?

66 That wasn't KayInsane, she didn't have a blog-whore link.

67 Posted by: typo dynamofo at July 23, 2012 08:09 AM (78gUL)

Spies in the FDR administration?? That's just crazy talk.

68 72, just put it in a off shore bank and use a debit card drawn on that account.

69 fluffy-
There will be no answer because Gabe is only interested in bashing Bachman.

70

I'm sorry Gabe, does Huma not have family members in the Muslim Brotherhood?

 

That's not what Bachmann is alleging.  She's claiming that Huma *is* a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.  And now Ellison too.

 

Remember when she accused Bush 43 of socialism?

 

This is not a serious person. She's an embarrassment. She's distracting from the GOP's winning economic message---a message that independents and squishy middle folks are adopting. You know what turns off independents and squishy middle folks? Wild accusations of invisible conspiracies.

71 77, Truman should have hanged a bunch of them a week after FDRs funeral.

72 ...and to think that the State Department could be infiltrated is even crazier

73

Morning.

 

I haven't read exactly what Bachmann said, so I don't know if she went to far or not.

 

Link in my name to Andrew McCarthy's article, which has some details about what's going on in the State Dept. And a bunch of complaints about McCain.

 

The list on page 5 is not good.

74 >>Remember when she accused Bush 43 of socialism?

Remember all the stupid shit Bush 43 used to say praising collectivism, and his spending that backed him up?

75 Huma can't be in the Muslim Brotherhood. She's a girl, fer chrissakes

76

Many have tried to purchase a new Rolex with the cash and wear it through, but US Customs is well aware of this trick and will smack the offender hard.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at July 23, 2012 08:19 AM (hvwLi)

 

 

 

 

Hmm.  Interesting.  Well, smuggling through a major air port sounds rather unwise.  As a last resort (and I mean LAST resort) I've always thought the best (though slow) way to get gold out would be to charter a private yacht out of Florida and sail away.  It's not like they all get tossed by the Coast Guard (though that is increasingly common, as the Coast Guard becomes more thuggish year after year).  If you portion out small enough amounts of gold at a time in your new home you can evade reporting. 

 

 

Personally, if I manage to get rich I'm going to just pay people to figure this crap out for me so as to legally keep hold of as much as possible.  If those guys can't get me ahead of the game, then I'll consider more radical schemes.

77 Andrew McCarthyu in NRO wrote about Huma Abedin.

http://is.gd/MnLEp9

78 Morning all. Another week and a dollar poorer

79 Perish the thought, literally. Kill the pain in the ass messenger.
--
Zero proof of anything, but that won't stop her from making sleazy accusations.
--
Zero proof of family relations? Say no evil. Hear no evil. See no evil. At least not about Muzzle Bro., Inc.

80 Looks like Penn State Football is quickly head to Division 2

81
Remember all the stupid shit Bush 43 used to say praising collectivism, and his spending that backed him up?

Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish™ at July 23, 2012 08:26 AM (ZKzrr)

Medicare, Part D?? Conservative as hell

82 Rep. Bachmann is my congresswoman. Since she is pro-life and pro-Israel and female and Republican, the Mescaline Left must try to destroy her. In addition to being right about most things, she's a tax attorney: She's no dummy. Send her a campaign contribution before the totalitarians make it illegal.

83 And Legal Insurrection also wrote about Abedin.

http://is.gd/jb2fgJ

It seems like Bachmann has a very good point.

84 level of containment.

Not sure where you would find that in the constitution?

Just asking stupid questions doesn't make them not stupid questions.
Since the Muslim Brotherhood was the only not-immediately-destroyed organized opposition in much of the MidEast for so long of course there's going to be fewer degrees of Kevin Bacon needed to get to the next link.  You'd think after McCarthy we could learn the difference between right and effective.  Or is Michelle just stirring the shit to get re-elected?

 

85 Obeying the law seems to be folly.

Following the law is for suckas.

86 Truman should have hanged a bunch of them a week after FDRs funeral.

Posted by: Jean at July 23, 2012 08:24 AM (D0ON

 

 

 

 

Sadly, Truman was no better than FDR.  He was another Stalin lover, and a man who winked at Communism.  He either was partially sympathetic, or was eager to turn a blind eye to it.  Truman has a way better reputation than he deserves.  His unwillingness to win the Korean War as MacArthur had suggested should be sufficient evidence of that.  We had a chance to teach the commies once and for all to respect their betters, and to prove our resolve to make them pay the ultimate price for their aggression.  Instead, we had a long war in Korea, we had Viet Nam, etc. 

87 Weiner's wife: The enemy within

88 Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2012 08:29 AM (05RcU)

I would have prefered the destruction of the football program, but anything that hurts these people is okay by me.

There was an asshole here yesterday who was defending Paterno. I wanted to jump through the screen and beat him with a abt.

89 80, Remember, McCarthy was right. I am willing to give Bschman the benefit of the doubt on Elllison. Huma, I doubt, unless she joined in college and has since gotten out.

90 Following the law is for suckas.

More and more that seems correct.

There is no law, they say, for the lawless.  Neither does there seem to be one for the law-givers.  Instead, only those complacent enough to obey actually obey.

Which, given our current legal culture, is a Very Bad Thing®

91 >"bipartisan" is democratic dog whistle for "do it our way"

Posted by: dogfish at July 23, 2012 07:37 AM (N2yhW)

(con'td) an 'extremist' is someone who disagrees with you

92 Posted by: Jean at July 23, 2012 08:32 AM (D0ON

Why? The evidence is pretty clear that Huma's family is in bed with the Islamists?

93 I would have prefered the destruction of the football program, but anything that hurts these people is okay by me. There was an asshole here yesterday who was defending Paterno. I wanted to jump through the screen and beat him with a abt. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 23, 2012 08:31 AM (nEUpB) I think your going to get the destruction of the Football Program for all intent and purpose. It will be a second rate program for many years to come and will probably never recover

94 NCAA announces sanctions against Penn St. at 9am eastern.

95 Doctor Fish, so we are back to using gold as sailboat ballast?

96 Doctor Fish, so we are back to using gold as sailboat ballast?

Posted by: Jean at July 23, 2012 08:35 AM (D0ON

 

 

 

 

 

Wow - if you've got enough to use it for ballast, you probably don't fall under that $5000 limit... 

 

97 Syrian athletes have arrived in London and will compete at the 2012 Olympic Games, an International Olympic Committee official said on Monday. "They arrived as planned and are ready to compete. Some officials decided not to come and that avoids a lot of problems," Pere Miro, the official in charge of relations with national Olympic committees, told Reuters. (Reuters) Meanwhile Israel Athletes continue to be targets and the IOC likes it that way.

98 For anyone interested in what Michelle Bachmann really said:

http://tinyurl.com/7mgtezn

99 104, her family, yrs. Her? She would have had to lie so many times, on so many forms ... so maybe

100 One rib and a hand-full of soda, to go.

101 Probably already brought up, but if you are transporting firearms during your flight and wind up transferring, say in Chicago, you'll fall afoul of Chicago's draconian gun laws merely by picking your bag up. Doesn't matter how its packed or where you're going, you better have the right documents or just send them on ahead.

102 Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2012 08:34 AM (05RcU)

Good.

And...I'll drink to PSU football's victims and their quest for every penny that PSU football has ever made for the university.

103 Posted by: Jean at July 23, 2012 08:38 AM (D0ON

Her family.

Read the links...they are enlightening.

104

>>That's not what Bachmann is alleging. She's claiming that Huma *is* a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. And now Ellison too.

 

Really? I haven't seen that. Just read a WaPoo article foaming at the mouth about it, but they said B talked about Huma's ties, not that she is an actual member.

 

Same thing with Ellison:

 

"Before Minnesota Republican Michele Bachmann went on a nationally syndicated radio program accusing congressional colleague Keith Ellison, D-Minn., of ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, there was an exchange of letters."

 

from the Star Tribune

105 109, what we need is an IRS committee of small businessman to rule that gold used as ballast has no value.

106 Posted by: fluffy at July 23, 2012 08:38 AM (z9HTb)

Interesting. Bachmann never did say that Huma was MB herself, but simply pointed out the fact that her family members are.

"SHUT UP!!!", they say

107 Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2012 08:37 AM (05RcU)

Thankfully they won't be observing a moment of silence for the 11 murdered Israelis.

That would be so...uncomfortable.

They really aren't hiding the subtext very well anymore. Vicious anti-Semitism is now chic.

108

Good morning, all!

 

Well,    I say "good morning," but it looks to be a rough one.  In half an hour you've got the NCAA announcing sanctions against Penn State.  Then at some point you've got dyed-hair-psycho getting arraigned in court out in Colorado.  It's going to be a difficult day for a lot of people.

 

Regarding dyed-hair-psycho (I refuse to use his name, because he deserves no notoriety), I still don't buy that he    committed    this atrocity while believing that he was the Joker.  I know everyone says, "Well he had his hair dyed like the Joker," but that's silly.      If you think you're the Joker, you're going to try to LOOK like the Joker.       Dyed-hair-psycho's      hair was dyed red, not green.  One of the key things to the Joker is that his hair is GREEN.       And the Joker wears clown makeup and flashy suits, not black SWAT gear.       All the photos that have started to come out of him in recent days -- from AdultFriendFinder.com and Match.com -- show him with the ugly red hair.  This would seem to imply that he dyed his hair    at an earlier date.

 

I think it's far more likely that he's "just" a disaffected loser who dyed his hair because    he felt like he was just part of the furniture anywhere he found himself and he wanted to stand out a little and show his individuality.      I don't think he did then,    nor     does      he    now, believe he was the Joker;   there are no voices in his head telling him he's the Joker.    I think he felt a sympathy for the      Joker's goals -- to cause chaos and "watch the world burn" --    because he's an anti-social asshole who will burn in Hell.    But he gets no psychatric    passes from ME until I have diehard proof that he's mentally unfit.   And even then he'll STILL burn in Hell.

109 118, I assumed Gabe had

110 I doubt, unless she joined in college and has since gotten out.

Posted by: Jean at July 23, 2012 08:32 AM (D0ON

This analogy only works if Huma's mother dabbled in lesbianism while in school, rather than having a long history of association with the MB

111 Gun Control is a lot like Penis Control: If ya can't use it properly, keep it holstered.

112 "For anyone interested in what Michelle Bachmann really said:"

Posted by: fluffy at July 23, 2012 08:38 AM (z9HTb)

We don't have to read this to know what she said.

She said, "I hate all non-Christians and all non-Americans and I want prayer in schools and children to carry guns, and no abortions ever and I want a church built in the Capitol building and maybe concentration camps for all non-Christians."

Duh!

113 Posted by: Jean at July 23, 2012 08:45 AM (D0ON

I like Gabe, but he stepped in it with this one.

114 126, pics or it didnt happen

115 > I still don't buy that he committed this atrocity while believing that he was the Joker.


he identified himself to Aurora police as 'the Joker'.

He might be three layers of crazy.

116 What could possibly go wrong?

Lots of things, and I think US Air is counting on that.  I don't know that it's a good move, but its certainly a bold one.

I think it's far more likely that he's "just" a disaffected loser

I think he's either a monster who needs to be put down for our protection, or a rabid animal who needs the same handling.

117 I haven't had a chance to vet this yet but, I understand that Brian Ross manned a gloryhole all weekend.

118 what we need is an IRS committee of small businessman to rule that gold used as ballast has no value.

Posted by: Jean at July 23, 2012 08:42 AM (D0ON

 

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LOL...  I'm not sure which is more improbable - the idea of ballast gold being worth zero, or the idea that the IRS would ever allow a committee of small businessmen to participate in their process. 

 

119 This just in...Light bulbs emit light!

120 The people complaining about Bachmann are the ones who told us the Muslim Brotherhood was 'mostly secular.'

121 He might be three layers of crazy.

Or he might be "crazy like a fox."  Maybe he's trying to pull off a 'Cpl. Klinger:' Pretend to be crazy, and get out of jail- or, at least, the death penalty.

122 Also, OT, but I hate the way the media uses the word 'tragedy' when the phrase 'heinous crime' is far more accurate.


A 6-year old girl drowning in a swimming pool is a tragedy.

A 6-year old girl murdered in a movie theater is a heinous crime.

123 135, only heat in the EU

124 >>he identified himself to Aurora police as 'the Joker'.

He might be three layers of crazy.<<

Then again, he may not be

125 The evidence is pretty clear that Huma's family is in bed with the Islamists?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 23, 2012 08:34 AM (nEUpB)

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Yes, but inquiring minds also want to know if she is/has been  in bed with Hillary.

126 WASHINGTON (AP) -- The ranks of America's poor are on track to climb to levels unseen in nearly half a century, erasing gains from the war on poverty in the 1960s amid a weak economy and fraying government safety net.


What fraying government safety net?


Poverty is spreading at record levels across many groups, from underemployed workers and suburban families to the poorest poor. More discouraged workers are giving up on the job market, leaving them vulnerable as unemployment aid begins to run out. Suburbs are seeing increases in poverty, including in such political battlegrounds as Colorado, Florida and Nevada, where voters are coping with a new norm of living hand to mouth.



I'm sure that somehow this is all Bush's/Republicans/Tea Party's fault. But have no fear Barry will tell a few stories and we'll all feel better

127 80 It is you at fault, dismissing the record as if incredible, tossing your own flames out there to discredit/distort/destroy the record. There is only your ass worth dying on. Dear Obamalord, don't look unkindly at poor Gabe who finds such relief in your shadow. 

If it isn't Bachman you sabotage, then Angle, Arpaio, whomever sticks to their constitutional guns. Those damnable bitter clingers to such ideals as Liberty and Constitutional Governance. The outmoded make you feel so uncomfortable in your revisionist virtual skin.

You drag out Bush in self defense to prove Bachmann wrong?

Right...Bush 43 never increased the size of federal government, never overspent, never did anything at all socialist with his "Leave no child behind" usurpation of education from local to federal direction, never co-opted free speech from those churches and charities that joined his faith based initiative, and never issued an executive order granting the Treasurer Secretary complete AUTONOMY, let alone NAFTA, amnesty for illegals as his cause, and God forbid any mention of interventionist humanitarian wars of terror spawning the "democratic" genocide of minority populations. No, compassionate conservatism is only good, no flaws. To think otherwise is a crime that you won't tolerate.

128 <<I haven't had a chance to vet this yet but, I understand that Brian Ross manned a gloryhole all weekend.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 23, 2012 08:49 AM (1Jaio)<<

(sigh) It's twue.

129 ------Yes, but inquiring minds also want to know if she is/has been in bed with Hillary.

No, no...no...they don't.

130 Also, OT, but I hate the way the media uses the word 'tragedy' when the phrase 'heinous crime' is far more accurate.

But if they admitted "heinous crime," they'd have to confront the fact of evil in the world.  And once you confront that, you being to realize that Government cannot protect you.  This goes directly against everything they believe.

And I don't think you can be 'OT' in the Morning thread.

131 I've never really gotten the whole "insane people get a pass." I mean, you're so crazy that you can't even determine the rightness or wrongness of what you did, what you did was slaughter a bunch of innocents for no apparent reason, and we're keeping you around why? I mean, what's the purpose behind keeping someone so effed up that they commit wholesale slaughter just "because" around?

132 We'll find out soon enough what punishment the PSU players (as opposed to Admin., who I hope get the worst of it), who were 9 years old at the time of the McQueary incident, will face. My guess is at least a 3 year Bowl ban, maybe 5. Big chunk of scholarships gone. Maybe force PSU to spend millions on some sort of foundation, compensation fund. The NCAA can do whatever it wants, so it could get creative.

133 >Or he might be "crazy like a fox." Maybe he's trying to pull off a 'Cpl. Klinger:' Pretend to be crazy, and get out of jail- or, at least, the death penalty.



he murdered 12 people in Colorado. He is going to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison for the rest of his natural life.

134 Posted by: RioBravo at July 23, 2012 08:53 AM (eEfYn)

Huma used to be quite good looking in an exotic way, but she has aged very badly. Too bad, because I was hoping for a sex tape to be leaked during the divorce.

135 Also I'm not real up on Colorado's use of the death penalty since SCOTUS ruled it constitutional

136 I've never really gotten the whole "insane people get a pass."

Neither have I, but it happens.

he murdered 12 people in Colorado. He is going to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison for the rest of his natural life.

Not if he pulls off an insanity defense.  Then, worst case scenario, he spends the rest of his life in very nice facility where he can play Parcheesi all day long.

137 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 23, 2012 08:48 AM (8y9MW)

We have a family friend who is a psychiatrist. His opinion is that the death penalty should be reserved for the clinically insane, because we can never know that they are cured. It is simply impossible to be sure.

138 The Kennedy feud was funny. Who owned the place? They make it sound like it was Ted's and Ted left it to this foundation under his wife's control. She's right that if it is a non profit, it can't be a free hang out for the family to party in.

139 150 Too bad, because I was hoping for a sex tape to be leaked during the divorce.

And who exactly were you hoping was the partner on film? You praying for a solo scene?

140 His opinion is that the death penalty should be reserved for the clinically insane, because we can never know that they are cured.

I agree.  It seems he and I both agree with Robert Heinlein.  If they can be cured, how could they live with themselves?  If they can't, well, we shoot put down mad dogs, don't we?

My favorite movie for explaining the Death Penalty- Old Yeller.

141 141, you can keep the pics on that

142 Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 08:54 AM (HethX)

Players can transfer. The NCAA will not penalize current players by holding them to the transfer rules.

And really, I don't give a shit about anyone in that program. Burn it down.

143 We know more about the education of that POS in Aurora CO than we know about the education of the POS in the WH.

http://is.gd/8SuaEe

144 I mean, what's the purpose behind keeping someone so effed up that they commit wholesale slaughter just "because" around?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 23, 2012 08:54 AM (da5Wo)

 

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This.  I have long held that the irredeemably nuts should be put down.  For their good, and ours.  I call it the Old Yeller principle.

145 Holmes is in state court -- not federal court. I suspect that today they may even ask to delay the arraignment and ask for the appt of psych's to examine him.

146 i don't give a shit if the guy is crazy or not i don't care why he did it....the fact that he did it is enough to earn him the DEATH PENALTY...

147 I thought child rape and spree killing were illegal?  Where did the law go wrong?

148 I call it the Old Yeller principle.

D*mn.  I agree nearly 100% with Reactionary on something.  I must be shunned.  (Kidding, kidding)

149 We should send CFL's to Gaza.

150 Solutions are easy facist wingnuts...ban ALL guns = end ALL crime!

Duhhhhh!

Idiots!

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GUN CONTROL:  Because grown men obsessing on comic book characters isnt really creepy at all.

151 Anybody watch Breaking Bad? Walt's gone nuts.

152 152, since he was some sort of pysch student, dont underestimate the chance he had some crazy evidence planted

153 >Holmes is in state court -- not federal court. I suspect that today they may even ask to delay the arraignment and ask for the appt of psych's to examine him.

Posted by: Redd at July 23, 2012 09:00 AM (ZuD3o)

hell, they'll probably petition for change of venue, since everyone in Colorado wants the guy dead

154 Speaking of Gun Control, I addressed this many moons ago at my blog: http://bit.ly/uiyomI

155

Vicious anti-semitism?

 

Is there any other kind?  And what did you expect?  Those people in Israel trying to defend themselves?  Of course  they're wrong.

156 From Bachmann's letter to Keith Ellison:


"Not once in the letter to the Inspector General of the Department of State, as you summarize, was it stated, "by extension, (Ms. Abendin), may be working on the organization's behalf." In fact, what we wrote was that:

...the Deputy Chief of Staff, Huma Abendin, has three family members - her late father, her mother and her brother - connected to Muslim Brotherhood operatives and/or organizations. Her position provides her with routine access to the Secretary and to policy making.

That her family members are connected to the Muslim Brotherhood has been reported and referenced widely in Arab-language media, including Al-Hayat, the Arab Times and Al-Jazeera.

http://tinyurl.com/6m4a55d

157

D*mn. I agree nearly 100% with Reactionary on something. I must be shunned. (Kidding, kidding)

 

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LOL.  Don't feel bad - we all have these little moments.  If it makes you feel better, one saying I always like to use in cases like this is to say "Even a blind pig fings a truffle once in a while."

158 Penn State press conf on now

159 I disagree, CBD. The way I look at it, you can't punish an institution, you can only punish people. The people who get the harshest penalties will be the totally innocent current players (not to mention the taxpayers of PA who will somehow end up on the hook for whatever happens). There's a reason emotion and law should be separated to the greatest extent possible, and it's to prevent the kind of retributive (but pointless) treatment we're about to see. It's the NCAA's right, and PSU can leave the NCAA whenever they want, so it's not a Constitutional issue or anything, but it's still lazy, feel good justice.

160 He'll never be executed. Colorado rarely executes anyone and I can't see them doing it in the future. The abolitionists don't even consider it an issue in that state. What's going to be hard to take is when all the bleeding hearts -- including the family of the victims and those who were shot and survived, start boo hoo-ing their "not in my name" bullshit.

161 Cue: McShame denouncing Bachmann as an Islamophobe, summoning the Washingtonian gauntlet response. Anyone else remember this whopper? "But I have to tell you, I have to tell you, he is a decent person, and a person that you do not have to be scared as President of the United States." In my first job after the Army, I carried a third-party resume for somebody I know. The third party got hired, and he turned out to be a not very good performer based on my direct experience working with him. The next time that particular somebody asked me to carry a resume, I refused. He was furious that I refused and harangued me about some bullshit network-at-any-cost principle that I later figured out to be the very twisted way he drew his us/them line. He had picked a really bad time to call me as I was in the middle of cleaning up a mess caused by the guy who belonged to the other resume I carried, and I snapped back twice as hard. Had we had this conversation in person rather than over the phone, I have no doubt that we would have come to blows. Is hand-carrying somebody's resume to my employer at the very least an implicit referral, or is it a completely empty gesture? It cannot be both. My credibility was tarnished when that resume touched my hands. If it's an empty gesture, then send it by mail. I'm not the fucking postman. It's a knee-jerk ritual. See X, do Y. If you see that a friend of a friend of a friend needs a job, then hand carry his resume to your employer. The anti-McCarthy mythology gives us one even more stupid and with actual human lives in the balance: If you hear someone raise any question even bordering on doubts about another person's loyalties no matter how well founded the evidence, then make damned sure to be the first in front of the cameras to unload with both barrels, "Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" I can understand Napolitano defending Elibiary because the scorpion's gotta sting. But McCain defending Abedin and McCain defending Obama? Where in the hell does this guy draw his us/them line?

162 since he was some sort of pysch student, dont underestimate the chance he had some crazy evidence planted

You know, based on the mountain of such evidence (calling himself the Joker, the creepy-crazy VM (or VM Greeting, I'm not clear which) the Gun Club used as reason to reject him, and so forth, that's actually what I'm thinking.

Someone as Guano Insane as he was acting would not be high-enough functioning to the a PhD Candidate.

Obviously, there's no way (at this point) to rule out simple psychotic break, but it seems unlikely.

163 there's that use of the word 'tragedy' again

164 It is a shame Aurora had such strict gun laws that no one was equipped to stop him.

165 $60 million hit to the taxpayers. That'll unrape those kids.
4 year Bowl ban, vacated all wins from the post-Sandusky era (meaningless gesture).

166 What's going to be hard to take is when all the bleeding hearts -- including the family of the victims and those who were shot and survived, start boo hoo-ing their "not in my name" bullshit.

Posted by: Redd at July 23, 2012 09:06 AM (ZuD3o)

 

 

 

 

Gahh.  What better proof is there of how effective Leftist propaganda has been?  It's sickening.  If I were murdered, I would hope that my friends and family members would demand justice.  Not with crazy enraged antics, but with a simple appeal to justice - wherein the penalty is equal to the crime. 

 

 

If the government will not hand out actual justice (rather than making "mercy" a habit) then the citizen has no real legal recourse.  He is forced to either accept a gross injustice and try to live with it, or he must make his own justice.  I think this part of why fantasy stories like Bat Man and The Punisher and such like are so popular - people WANT vigilantism more and more, because the legal system is increasingly unjust.  It punishes the law abiding over minor things, and yet it lets the violent criminal suffer only a fraction of that which he deserves. 

 

 

167 180 It is a shame Aurora had such strict gun laws that no one was equipped to stop him.

Considering the circumstances, dark smoke filled theater with people panicking, having multiple people (or even one) trying shoot the psycho may have gone very badly. But I'd take my chances with the people trying to shoot the psycho over just running or hiding.

168 Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 09:05 AM (HethX)

The culture of "Football above all" at PSU must be changed. And if that means that current players have to go someplace else to play football...well, that's not a big deal. And if that means that the people of PA suffer...that's okay too. They supported this system because they liked it.

169 It is a shame Aurora had such strict gun laws that no one was equipped to stop him.

Actually, I think that's a red herring, too.  First off, he was (from the last reports I'd heard) wearing body armor, including head covering.  Unless you're big enough to have a .357 or a .45 as your concealed carry weapon, what you were carrying probably wasn't going to put him down.

Second- all that confusion, and the smoke?  I doubt anyone carrying would have had a clear shot that wasn't just as (or even more) likely to hit another innocent.

170 $60M fine

no bowls for 4 yrs

scholarships reduced from 25 to 15

ALL WINS from 1998 to 2011 are VACATED

5 YEAR probation

171 Sorry for the text wall.  Hopefully IE9 will help with this damn formatting...

172

You can't punish "a culture", either. Only people. The NCAA seems to have made decent allowances for the current players, but I'm still waiting to hear where this $60 million is going to come from.

173 60 million smackaroos, that'll dent your wallet.

So Paterno will drop well down on the wins list I guess (who cares?)

174 I'm still waiting to hear where this $60 million is going to come from.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 09:13 AM (HethX)

 

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I wouldn't be surprised if the Penn State boosters manage to help swing that.  There seems to be a pretty rabid following of that program.

175 >but I'm still waiting to hear where this $60 million is going to come from.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 09:13 AM (HethX)

The NCAA said the 60 mil represents what the football program grosses in one year

176 188 but I'm still waiting to hear where this $60 million is going to come from.

I've heard that PSU has a monstrously huge endowment....

177

The people who get the harshest penalties will be the totally innocent current players

 

I'm glad to see someone else saying this.  I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in discussing what sanctions are appropriate, anything to do with JoePa or the like since it is very apparent that all parties (including me) will not actually listen to the other side. 

 

What does bother the hell out of me is the apparent lack of concern by everyone for what this is going to do to the PSU football players who had not a single solitary thing to do with this.  Oh, let's not forget the ripple affect on other players.  Let's say that the NCAA does the minimally right thing by those players and lets them transfer without needing to sit out the year.  What does that do to the players on the teams to which they transfer?  Do those schools get a free scholarship or does some other kid get his scholarship yanked?  Why is it that its the players who end up getting screwed over when they didn't do this.

178 So.... penn state football program pretty much dead?

179 Re the $60 million:

"These funds must be paid into an endowment for external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university," the statement said.

180 Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 09:13 AM (HethX)

Yes, you can punish a culture. And you can change it by decimating its supporters within the university and its environs.

And let's face it, the Paterno cult still loves the evil bastard. It's going to take a long time before that cult of personality disappears.

181 Who would ever want to  go to Penn State to play football after this?

182 Oh, no! They are saying Holmes had a gf! http://goo.gl/WXdnZ If I were her, I would leave the country before the LSM find her.

183 Posted by: alexthechick SMOD. Our only hope. at July 23, 2012 09:15 AM (VtjlW)

What would you suggest? What penalties are appropriate?

184 Please show us on the tackle dummy where the football program touched you.

185

copying Warden's comment from yesterday:

This predator used the access and credibility provided by Penn State to stalk and violate children.

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and exploited his bullet-proof status as Defensive Coordinator to LEGENDARY coach Joe Paterno to intimidate any whistleblowers into silence. And when those up the chain of command had the ability to do the right thing - they failed.

 

Might as well vacate Paterno's wins, he was a fraud.

186 "Who would ever want to go to Penn State to play football after this?"

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 23, 2012 09:17 AM (8sCoq)

I'll play!

187 We really need a post on Jason Alexander's extended twitter comments on gun control and evil corporations.... You know evil corporations that influence politics like GE... who owns NBC, which aired Seinfeld and made Alexander famous and wealthy. Damn those evil corporations.

188

@185: Actually, I think that's a red herring, too. First off, he was (from the last reports I'd heard) wearing body armor, including head covering. Unless you're big enough to have a .357 or a .45 as your concealed carry weapon, what you were carrying probably wasn't going to put him down.

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Especially since pistol-caliber A.P. rounds have been banned. Those "Cop Killer" bullets that never killed a cop or were known to have been used in the commission of a crime.

189 alex sorry...the innocent football players and students need to take their beef to the administration and the board and the town.....those assholes knew what sandusky was doing....yes it sucks for those at the school who didn't know...but it sucks more for the kids that got ass raped and no one thought they deserved to be protected.....the school should be shut down...at the very least they should have lost their entire sports program...not just football....the taint on that school will never be forgotten and should never be forgiven....

190

I just hope nobody here ever works at or attends a place where criminals are employed. The guilt is catchy.

191 You need an institutional penalty to dnsure that other institutions dont do the same thing. The prescence of the penalty might be enough to get other organizations to stop the wagon circling.

192 #193  I want to know why the NCAA gets to glom onto 60 million dollars worth of money which by all rights should go to the victims.

I missed exactly where this money is going to help the Penn State victims.

193 So.... penn state football program pretty much dead? Alabama wept.

194
My guess is at least a 3 year Bowl ban, maybe 5. Big chunk of scholarships gone. Maybe force PSU to spend millions on some sort of foundation, compensation fund. The NCAA can do whatever it wants, so it could get creative.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 08:54 AM (HethX)

Four year bowl ban, the other stuff you said (you pretty well nailed it) and they're throwing out about the last 10 year's worth of victories off of the record book.

195

Is hand-carrying somebody's resume to my employer at the very least an implicit referral, or is it a completely empty gesture? It cannot be both. My credibility was tarnished when that resume touched my hands. If it's an empty gesture, then send it by mail. I'm not the fucking postman.
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It's an implicit referral.  The very act of hand-carrying it to your boss implies that it was important enough to you to make you ensure that it hit his desk.  Unless you can personally vouch for someone's work ethic, why would you link yourself to them in your boss eye?

 

It's not "networking" if you're the only person that brings value.  It's being a chump.

 

Pisses you off, feeling like a chump.

196 Have to agree that the innocent players beef is with the university.  I will say the seniors are totally boned unless a high talent player.  All freshman and sophs should leave now if possible.  I still have infinite more sympathy for the victims.

197 Is Penn State required to bulldoze their rape rooms or will they be turned into a museum of horrors?

198 Posted by: Lincolntf at July 23, 2012 09:22 AM (HethX)

I think you are being obtuse. You fail to see the connection between the institution that supported and protected a monster and the specific acts that he perpetrated.

Sandusky raped those children, but PSU protected him for 14 years.

They protected a child rapist.

I don't give a rat's ass about anyone at PSU. Fuck 'em all. Nothing that can happen to anyone involved is as bad as what the entire football culture did to those children. Not just Sandusky. The culture.

199 Good to know the muz are not impacting our legal system:  http://tinyurl.com/c8zj7hg

200 toby it's not dead enough

201

What would you suggest? What penalties are appropriate?

 

As stated above,  I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in discussing what sanctions are appropriate.  I have been concerned that everyone seemed to be ignoring that there are current players, who did nothing wrong, who will be impacted by this.  That bothers me deeply.  The players will be the ones actually affected by this and no one seemed to give a shit about that.  The players didn't do anything.  Why should they have to pay the price?

If I read it correctly, the length of the post-season ban means that all players can transfer and play immediately which seems fair to the players.  I still want to know if the scholarship follows them or if the school has to rescind someone else's.  That's something that I am torn about.  On the one hand, allowing the scholarship to follow the player seems to undermine the point of eliminating the scholarship from the offending school.  On the other hand, it is deeply unfair to both the transferring player and the player already there to take the scholarship from a current player to give to the transferring player.  Now, there may be regs on this but I didn't see anything in the cursory reading I did on the penalties. 

 

 

202 Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 23, 2012 09:28 AM (vbh31)

But they are scary looking and painted black, so they must be worse.

At least they don't have a bayonet lug and a pistol grip. Then they would be catastrophically evil.

203 Regarding the football players,  I have a question.

Since I am not familiar with how things work in football locker rooms,  is it likely that the players are totally innocent? Like,  could McQueary have warned them to avoid Sandusky?  Did't any of them wonder about the guy?  How do we know they didn't see something?

I do not like to tar people with accusations based on nothing but conjecture,  but I also don't think that people should be able to claim the mantle of innocence unjustifiably.

204

Posted by: Hrothgar (CJSC Designated Serf) at July 23, 2012 09:28 AM (Cnqmv)

 

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It's a good thing I'm already bald - this crap would have me tearing out what's left of my hair.  The exact same decision was just made regarding one of the 911 conspirators in Gitmo. 

 

 

I guess I should be glad - if they spend more time sitting around in jail waiting for Ramalamadingdong to be over, then that's more time before some pantywaist judge can let them back out on the street.

205 John McCain is a senile old ass. That is all.

206 Posted by: alexthechick SMOD. Our only hope. at July 23, 2012 09:30 AM (VtjlW)

I understand your point, but no penalty is without blowback.

207 it is the NCAA.....where exploiting student athletes for cash is bad....unless it is the NCAA doing it.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 23, 2012 09:30 AM (OWjjx)

 

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LOL.  This.  Over and over.

208 The scholarship will follow the player. That's more money out of the PSU program. It's proper to me.

209 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 23, 2012 09:33 AM (OWjjx)

No, the NCAA is releasing them from that commitment. They won't have to sit out a year.

210

@219

 

The affected players can seek compensation like everyone else does in this fuckin country - through the courts.

 

If you're trying to craft a solution that both punishes PSU and is "fair" to any third party who might possibly be affected, it's a fool's errand. 

 

What about laid-off hot dog salesmen due to declining attendance at Beaver Stadium?  Do we consider them, as well?

211

sorry...the innocent football players and students need to take their beef to the administration and the board and the town

 

When it comes to ruling who gets to play, when and where, the governing institution is the NCAA, not the school itself, thus making the questions about transferring and eligibility properly addressed by the NCAA, not the school.  The NCAA has pretty much dictatorial powers on those issues. 

 

212 224 Of course, those players that do transfer have to wait out a year.

No they don't. That was part of the ruling. No penalties on players transferring.

213 Posted by: PSU Grad at July 23, 2012 09:34 AM (7+pP9)

That makes no sense. PSU is going to pay the scholarships at other schools?

214 ZH has a post up citing the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a small DC think tank that I know nada about, saying that the cost of gubmint regs amounts to $1.75 trillion per year. That there falls into the category of 'holy shit', if accurate.
 
http://preview.tinyurl.com/c2kydrm (zh link, you've been warned)

215

"That's not what Bachmann is alleging. She's claiming that Huma *is* a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. And now Ellison too."

Well, the Brotherhood did pay for Ellison's trip to Mecca

216 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 23, 2012 09:36 AM (FEqS6)

No, we don't. That's on the head of PSU and Joe Paterno.

217 I'm the joker, singing in my cell.

I'm nuts, I tells ya!

I'll never go to trial.

218 233 Posted by: PSU Grad at July 23, 2012 09:34 AM (7+pP9)

That makes no sense. PSU is going to pay the scholarships at other schools?

Actually, that's pretty fair. Makes sense. See AtC's comments above. Otherwise, either the player transferring loses his scholarship or a player at the school he's transferring to loses his.

219 78 72, just put it in a off shore bank and use a debit card drawn on that account. Posted by: Jean They changed that law a few years ago. Now if you use that offshore debit to pull any funds out of an ATM within the USA the IRS has the power to find out where the funds came from and connect it to you. The bank itself doesn't have to have a presence; VISA, etc. is considered a link in the financial chain. BTW the IRS has a documented history of intercepting personal US mail in case you didn't know. I don't believe they are empowered to do that but they do anyway because there is no penalty as long as they claim it was delivered to them by "accident". Seriously.

220

The scholarship will follow the player. That's more money out of the PSU program. It's proper to me.

 

Thank you.

 

The affected players can seek compensation like everyone else does in this fuckin country - through the courts.

If you're trying to craft a solution that both punishes PSU and is "fair" to any third party who might possibly be affected, it's a fool's errand.

 

Oh, I agree that there will never be anything that's completely fair.  I've simply been concerned that there was a pool of people whose interests appeared to be being ignored. 

221
That makes no sense. PSU is going to pay the scholarships at other schools?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 23, 2012 09:37 AM (nEUpB)

That's how it sounded to me. Scholarship $$$ don't just fall from trees.

222 Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 23, 2012 09:39 AM (da5Wo)

That's not how football scholarships work.

Schools are limited to a certain number of scholarships each year. Money is not the rate limiting step.

No matter what, any PSU football player who transfers to another school and gwho gets a scholarship slot is going to bounce someone. That's the nature of the beast.

223 Hrothgar,
 
Ahh, another 'Ramadan is holy' delay, just like the one at Gitmo for one of the terrorists about to go on trial. Strangely enough, a terrorist group claiming responsibility for the Bulgarian bombing has said they plan to do many more attacks during Ramadan.
 
So the rule is -- Okay to kill infidels during the holy month, but not okay to be tried for your crimes during that same holy month.

224 Will Gabe answer Fluffy's links which seem to debunk Gabe's position?

225

No, we don't. That's on the head of PSU and Joe Paterno<<<<

 

I was using the royal "we."

 

Shit happens.  Deal with it.  A football scholarship is not necessary for success in this country.  Neither is a college degree.

 

Adapt to your circumstances and find a way to overcome them.  Or piss and moan about how it's not your fault. Either way, no one is coming to help you, and you will die cold and alone in the dark.

 

Or you could figure out a way to succeed despite the bad choices of your organization.

226 243, what about the guy at the next school who gets bumped from his starting job by the PSU guy. Does he get to transfer? You cant avoid all collateral damage.

227 The innocent of PSU can no longer remain innocent unless PSU is severely punished. It may seen unfair that an innocent person is hurt by the punishment dealt out to an institution, but it is certainly unfair for that same person to profit from that institution. Shit happens. If you are connected to PSU, you get punished too.

228 nEUpB

Your attitude is bullshit. Paterno may well have been a scumbag ( i think so) but his image was as squeaky clean as it gets. That is a big draw to the family of a young athlete looking for a program. Kids that went to Penn State to play for  Paterno are not responsible for his guilt.

As to the NCAA, they  don't give a shit about the young athlete. Every sanction for a school punished the athletes and allows the coach to walk free (Pete Carrol).

229 It's an implicit referral. The very act of hand-carrying it to your boss implies that it was important enough to you to make you ensure that it hit his desk. Unless you can personally vouch for someone's work ethic, why would you link yourself to them in your boss eye? That's exactly right, but to the person who was pissed that I refused to carry another resume for him after how the first one worked out, I was being an asshole by refusing. The point I'm making is that there are people who outsource a shitload of important stuff in their lives to knee-jerk formulas that make no damned sense. Of course my reputation is encumbered by any resume I carry to my employer, but the basis of his argument that I was being an asshole was that it costs me nothing to carry a resume to my employer. Here is an actual line seared in my memory from the phone call because he screamed it at me: "You can't just not do this." I'm sure McCain thinks that you can't just not automatically leap to defend somebody whose loyalty is questioned no matter what the facts.

230 244, the true insanity will be when someone cannot be tried for a crime commited during Ramadan, during Ramadan. I am holding out for an exemption on psrking tickets during lent.

231

Okay, back to something important, I'm now really confused on the Bachmann thing.  I was initially very confused by the attacks on Bachmann for saying that Huma had close family members with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood because I thought it was common knowledge that this was so.  Bachmann's now saying that Huma has direct ties herself? 

 

That's it, I'm going back to playing The Secret World all the time, at least I sort of understand that.

232

Of course, if Holmes had shot up a theater full of Jews or Wall Street one-percenters, he'd already be scheduled for a primetime speaking slot at the Democrat convention.

 

It frustrates me that, according to the morning news, he lawyered up.  If you think you're making some statement by gunning down people, then stand up and take ownership of it.  This is just the prelude to a Jared Loughner plead-out.

 

Yeah, I'm pretty damned pissy today.

233

Of course my reputation is encumbered by any resume I carry to my employer, but the basis of his argument that I was being an asshole was that it costs me nothing to carry a resume to my employer. Here is an actual line seared in my memory from the phone call because he screamed it at me: "You can't just not do this."<<<<

 

Are you looking for advice on what to tell him?  I'd go with something like, "You can't just not suck my balls, playboy.  You got a job on my referral and you fucked it up. Lose my number or the next time I carry your resume, it'll be on the tip of my boot on its way to being kicked through your asshole.

 

Best of luck in your future endeavours, fruitcake."

 

Feel free to change some of that around and personalize it.

 

Seriously, the main problem I have with networking is that you just dont *know* these people, so how can you refer them?

234 Will Gabe answer Fluffy's links which seem to debunk Gabe's position? He really did seem to go out a a limb there. Perhaps he is working up a post. I know you morons will badger him until he does. *drumsfingers*

235 Re: CFLs and the DEADLY POISON Hg vapor: Fluorescent lamps have been in use since the 30s. Complaining now about the "danger" of CFLs is really stupid, especially coming from the right. OTOH, banning incandescents is equally stupid. Each type of lamp has its place.

236 >>>Bachmann's now saying that Huma has direct ties herself?

The only place i have seen that alleged is here by Gabe. In fact, Fluffies link gives direct response to that in the letter to Keith Elliason.

By the way. While the attack is on Bachman because she is consider the easy target, the letters are signed by 3 others including Louie Gomert.

237

Where in the hell does this guy draw the us/them line?

 

Us = the ruling class.

 

Them = You.

 

Now fuck off, peasant.  That fat daughter of mine's eating me out of house and home.  Gotta go kiss Obama's ass again for some TARP money.

238 100 There was an asshole here yesterday who was defending Paterno. I wanted to jump through the screen and beat him with a abt. That should be an abt.

239 There was an episode of Speed Racer that involved a clever method to smuggle many tons of gold that would probably work if not for the pesky laws of physics.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzUksivnNyQ

Theme song sounds like a different singer than I remember. Or a funky recording changing the pitch.

240 The flip side of the Huma coin is that whether Bachman mouthed off or not is not relevant. Who approved a close family member to a known Goddamned terrorist group to be in a sensitive position?

Ask your self if that would have been done during WWII. Then ask Gabe.

241

Yes, those evil "Black Talons" that according to liberal dogma could penetrate a tank. They were nothing more than hollow points.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 23, 2012 09:28 AM (vbh31)

 

Especially since those very same bullets are still sold today as Winchester Ranger bullets. Box is marked LEO Only, but that is only company policy, not law.

My FNP45 that I use as my concealed carry has Ranger 230 gr +P loaded. 15 in the stack, 1 in the pipe, with two spare 15 round mags. Might not have gotten through his armor (looked like Level II, too thin for level III) but it would have put him on his knees with a center mass hit.

242

Seriously, the main problem I have with networking is that you just dont *know* these people, so how can you refer them?

 

I was once asked my opinion about a former co-worker.  This was someone whom I worked with for about four years in a fairly small office (under 15 people).  My response was something along the lines of oh well we didn't really work that closely together so I can't say if she'd be good for the position or not.  She got hired, she fucked up and then I got yelled at for giving her a good reference.  I stared at the person doing the yelling because, seriously, does anyone on the planet not know that what I said was the polite way of saying oh hell no don't hire her. 

 

243 Are you looking for advice on what to tell him? No, thanks. It happened in 1991. We reached a mutual GFY, and we left it there.

244 #264

If put in such a position I fall back on, "The blood feud between our clans stills burns brightly and I cannot speak any further on the subject to an outsider."

245

 I stared at the person doing the yelling because, seriously, does anyone on the planet not know that what I said was the polite way of saying oh hell no don't hire her.
<<<<<

 

Ok, I spotted your problem.  Hamstringing requires subtelty and faux politeness.  What you needed to accomplish, though,  was backstabbing, which calls for a more direct approach.

 

"No, don't hire her - she was a disaster at the last place I worked."

246 Ask your self if that would have been done during WWII. Not necessary. Ask whether there are any loyalty questions asked during any rank-and-file government applicant's background investigation. In the summer of 2010, I was a reference for somebody hired in the GS-11/12/13 range into an agency about as pretty far from national security as I can imagine. The interviewer asked whether I had any reason to doubt the person's loyalty.

247 "The blood feud between our clans stills burns brightly and I cannot speak any further on the subject to an outsider." The reference response codephrase is, "I worked with so-and-so at such-and-such company from MM/YYYY to MM/YYYY." Give the exact same answer to any follow-on questions, and the person doing the reference check will know how to flag the applicant.

248 Bush 43 supported socialist programs.  He is a socialist Gabe.


Most Republicans are socialist.  Democrats are Communist.

249 But that doesn't mean I support crazy eyes.

250 264 and 267 "No, don't hire her - she was a disaster at the last place I worked."

Do NOT do this. Especially if you were in a position of authority over that person. You can be subject to a lawsuit. Our labor attorney has repeatedly told us to not ever give someone a bad recommendation. That the safest thing to do is to simply tell the person inquiring "Yes, I can confirm that they worked here for X amount of time. No, I really can't say anything else."

251 looks as if San Fran Nan is going from class warfare to crass warfare.

252 That the safest thing to do is to simply tell the person inquiring "Yes, I can confirm that they worked here for X amount of time. No, I really can't say anything else." ...which is sorta saying they ain't so great without actually saying it, because they'd probably say more if they actually were that good. Though I suspect that in most professional environments, it kinda gets to be known who the aces and slackers are. Just not formally, mind you.

253 "Would you rehire this person?"  is generally the best way to penetrate the Cone of Silence. 

254 ...which is sorta saying they ain't so great without actually saying it, because they'd probably say more if they actually were that good. No. It's code for, "Don't hire the piece of shit." That response should be reserved for the worst of the worst.

255 Has the Original Post been doctored to remove something about Bachmann?

256 Has the Original Post been doctored to remove something about Bachmann? I don't think so. Bachmann hass just came up in the comments.

257 Has the Original Post been doctored to remove something about Bachmann? No. Miss Marple introduced it @11. Mr. Malor jumped in @56. My take: I've been a lifelong anti-commie, but I think of myself more as an anti-anti-anti-commie. I will grudgingly admit that the John Birchers are out there, but the commie fifth column has done a lot of damage to this country (they may have killed it--we'll know soon enough) because they own the pantswetters supposedly on our side who fear being branded Birchers, McCarthyites, or any of the other epithets the fellow-travelers concocted for anti-commies more than they fear the actual enemy. It's the same thing with islamic terror. Napolitano's and McCain's cut-and-paste grandstanding make Arthur Miller's clumsy attempt at agitprop look deft.

258 To those who are bashing Bachman-

No one else would dare say what she has said.

I'm sure you mean no one else would be so idiotic to say what she has said. Zero proof of anything, but that won't stop her from making sleazy accusations. I still can't believe some people thought she was presidential material.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at July 23, 2012 08:08 AM (IkTb7)

259 That is how we got to Gabe and Bachman-

Note how Gabe says her accusations are "sleazy" and "idiotic" but can't answer the question about Huma's family being Muslim Brotherhood (as is widely reported).

Gabe also throws out the line about the accusation being that Huma herself is MB. From the links that fluffy posted, it appears that that charge against Bachman comes from Islamist excuser Keith Ellison.

Is there some quote Gabe, of Bachman saying Huma is a member of rather than close to the Brotherhood?

If Bachman is making that accusation and is wrong about Huma being a "card carrying member" should that end it?

260 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.