1 Good Morning Morons.  Today is Monday, August 20, 2012.  On this dazy in 1964 LBJ signed the Economic Opportunity Act which was part of his “great society.  That act founded Head Start.  We are still trying to “start”.  It hasnÂ’t worked yet.

2 AP trying to make the case that the South is no longer solid Republican and they throw a bunch of the old MFM myths.

The "Solid South" was a political fact, benefiting Democrats for generations and then Republicans, with Bible Belt and racial politics ruling the day.

and this one

Obama won both states (NC and FL) and Virginia four years ago, propelled by young voters, nonwhites and suburban independents. Virginia, long a two-party state in down-ballot races, had not sided with Democrats on the presidency since Lyndon Johnson in 1964. Jimmy Carter in 1976 had been the last Democratic nominee to win North Carolina. Each state is in play again, with Romney needing to reclaim Florida and at least one of the others to reach the White House.


Actually if you look at the exit polls he won minority men and women.  What got him VA and NC was the Republican base failing to turnout and the Dems did.  That will turn around this time as the Dems sit at home.  And FL has always been a toss-up State thanks to all the retired Yankees in the Miami area. VA is now a toss-up State as well thanks to DC.  As for “young voters, there was no huge turnout.  Only 10% of the voters in 2008 were in the 18 – 24 category.  They will go Republican this time.

This article is AP whistling past the graveyard.

http://is.gd/UdKSoN

3 RIP Tony Scott at 68.  

http://is.gd/P9HTUh

4 Obama pouring billions into drought stricken States to shore up the vote some more.

http://is.gd/rED9Zg

5 Obamacare law was designed to boost union membership in the heathcare field.

http://is.gd/lWJWrq

6 Occupy leader finally admits goal is to make the US a Communist State.  Why? Because it has worked so well everywhere else.

http://is.gd/t5GQpe

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ThatÂ’s it for today.

8 That's it?!?!?  That's it?!?!?!  You're slowing down, Vic.

MOAR COFFEE!!

9 4 vic, Market futures way down.

10 pi[Akin's idiotic rape comment: "Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin's statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape." Ugh.[/i]



He "misspoke".  What a stupid way to end a campaign.

11 Obama also told a Rubio supporter in Florida that Rubio should "watch it" because "he might get his ass kicked."



He would have to hire it done.

12 He "misspoke". What a stupid way to end a campaign.

Well, it was either that or the equally moronic non-apology, "I apologize to anyone who was offended by my remarks."

13 "The Romney-Ryan campaign had a statement last night on Rep. Akin's idiotic rape comment: 'Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin's statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape.' Ugh"

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They kinda have to issue a statement like that if they're going to demand that Obama walk away from the Ugly that Biden puts out.

14 Atkin resigns to spend more time with his family and gets replaced by less idiotic person who is better at reciting talking points in three...

15 That's it?!?!? That's it?!?!?! You're slowing down, Vic.


Its Monday, not much out there.

16 Its Monday, not much out there. Posted by: Vic at August 20, 2012 07:01 AM (YdQQY)

Do what Kos does.

Make shit up.

Anything you came up with certainly wouldn't be anymore insane than Kos.

17 On those drone strikes the UN is making noises now wanting the video so they can "investigate".


Piss on the UN.

18 So is Akin's comment so offensive because it's the equivalent of Whoopie Goldberg's "rape" rape statement, or is it that there is some illegitimacy to his claim that rapes rarely result in pregnancy? Either way, I'm not sure how it's such a big deal.

19 Its an unforced error. If he was a Democrat it would be forgotten in 1 day.  But because he is a Republican the MFM will beat it to death hoping it will swing women voters.

20

Market futures way down

 

Which markets?  I'm seeing the U.S. market futures (Dow, S&P, Nasdaq) basically unchanged this morning.

 

The rally in the U.S. markets this summer is nothing but vaporware imo and will not end well when reality sets in.  But today doesn't look to be the day for that, at least not from where the futures are.

21 Maybe someone knows this; Are there any stats for rape victims actually becoming pregnant? Rape being an act of violence and all I've got to figure that a pregnancies are relatively rare as a result. I'm just curious because it seems that the entirety of the defense for abortion is based on pregnancy as a result of rape because outside of that possible sceneario, all I can see abortions as is an attempt to get out of personal responsibility free card.

22 Posted by: BurtTC at August 20, 2012 07:11 AM (2pG7H)


I really think it's his use of the term "legitimate rape."  Is here such thing as a "legitimate rape"?  If so, when would rape be "legitimate"?  I'd love to hear him discourse on that, just so I could point and laugh.

Also, when you look at all he said, he's out and out wrong on the physiology of it.  Politicians shouldn't try to be doctors.  They suck at it.

His idiocy just provides more ammo to the left. 

23

<On those drone strikes the UN is making noises now wanting the video so they can "investigate".>

 

The UN better watch it, or it might get it's ass kicked.  That shit is my personal ET.

 

Jokin' guys.  But seriously.  "Campaign", muthafuggas....do you speak it?  Oh, that's right.  None of you are elected.  So STFU.

24 >> Are there any stats for rape victims actually becoming pregnant?

5%

http://tinyurl.com/9hypwwl

25

Morning, 'rons and 'ronettes.  Hope you all had a better weekend than I did.  And thanks, Gabe and Vic for the news.

 

On Friday, I promised you a Hollywood practical joke story.  It concerns the composers Max Steiner (Jezebel, Casablanca, Gone With The Wind) and Victor Young (My Favorite Spy, The Quiet Man).  It's a little long, so depending on your time zone, grab a cup of coffee or an adult beverage and settle in. . .

 

In the 1940's, a number of Hollywood composers would play cards at Young's house once a week.  Because Steiner's eyesight wasn't so good, he'd given up driving, so Young would drive to Warner Brothers and pick Steiner up.

 

One week, during the scoring for Now, Voyager, Young arrived a little early at the studio.  The red light on the soundstage had just come on, so he stood there listening to the love theme Steiner had written for the movie - this big, lush, grandiose piece of music - when he got an idea.  He listened, took out a piece of paper and jotted down the notes of Steiner's new theme.  Then he went inside, picked up Steiner and took him to the card game.

 

The next day, Young was scoring a picture at Paramount.  He took Steiner's theme to one of his own arrangers, who did a quick orchestral scoring.  Young then went to his own recording session, and before the day was over, he had the Paramount orchestra make a full recording of it.

 

Young was a gadget freak, especially for electronics, and his house was loaded with equipment and speakers.  When he took the recording home, he spliced it into a recording he'd already made of a local LA news broadcast.  Then he was ready.

 

The next week, Steiner arrived and the game began.  Around 11.00, somebody suggested they listen to the news, so on it went.  Over the speakers came the voice of the local announcer presenting the local program. . .and then the full orchestration of Steiner's Now, Voyager theme.

 

Steiner jumped up like he'd been shot.  "Listen to that!" he yelled.  That's my theme!"

 

"Don't be silly," Young deadpanned.  "Deal the cards."

 

"Listen to them - they've stolen my music!" Steiner spluttered.

 

"How could they steal your music?"  Young said, innocently wide-eyed.  "That's a program that's been on five times a week, fifty-two weeks a year, for years and years, and they've used that signature ever since they first went on the radio."

 

"It can't be!" Steiner shrieked.  "I just wrote it!"

 

He was about to go into hysterics when Young started laughing and finally admitted what he'd done.

 

And that's it for today.  Hope you all have a wonderful day.

26 I really wish the GOP would just put out a fucking directive about abortion talking points with the it 96pt bolded and underlined  to concede unequivocally cases of rape and incest.

There is absolutely no reason to even debate this crap.

R/R are going to have to devote time to this dipshits fuckup unnecessarily.

27 Just what the convention needs - Trump in blackface.

28 mornin, bedwetting brigade

29

I really think it's his use of the term "legitimate rape." Is here such thing as a "legitimate rape"? If so, when would rape be "legitimate"?

 

I  bet  the  Duke  Lacrosse  team  could  explain  the  difference.

30 >> Also, when you look at all he said, he's out and out wrong on the physiology of it. Politicians shouldn't try to be doctors. They suck at it.

That was his first mistake. We don't understand wimmenz or the vajayjay and any discussion of them is fraught with danger.

31 Well, I think Akins did sort of "misspeak."  He's stumbling around trying to differentiate between women post facto claiming to have been raped in order to secure an abortion and those who were actually, really physically assaulted and raped against their will. It's still unsavory and just ugh.  He has to be thrown under the bus.

But this shit is what the dems were gagging for.  This was the lead story on the radio this morning.in Chicago, with fucking Felicia fucking race card fucking Middlebrooks: "Republican Todd Akins...."

And we're off.

32 Also there are different classes of rape, but that asshole shouldn't even be going anywhere near that.

33 Are there any stats for rape victims actually becoming pregnant?5%  Posted by: Andy at August 20, 2012 07:20 AM (OZPoa)

And now for the rest of the story...

This assumes all rapes are reported.  Which they are not.   DoJ estimates and other victim advocacy groups put the under-report figure at anywhere from 52% to 60%.  Therefore we have no possible way of accurately determining whether or not that 5% figure bears any relation to reality.

The chance of becoming pregnant when you actually want to is about 30%, as I found out when my wife and I were trying to start a family.

34 Neither Trump nor any other cartoon character should appear at the GOP convention.

35 He's stumbling around trying to differentiate between women post facto claiming to have been raped in order to secure an abortion and those who were actually, really physically assaulted and raped against their will. It's still unsavory and just ugh. He has to be thrown under the bus.


Right.  That's sorta my point above.  When you're that frickin' tone deaf as to how the phrase "legitimate rape" would sound to the average Joe, you're probably a touch too stupid to be a Senator.

This of course does not explain Harry Reid.

36 instead he's doing some retarded skit about "firing" an Obama look-alike.


Politicians should not try to be funny.  It never ever ends well.



Oh.  Yay.  Gigantic Horror Thread.  Yaaaay. 

37 For fack sake, Trump. No. Stop. Who's running this sucker--Reince? Whoever you are---just don't. Skits will be a guaranteed dick stepper-onner.

38 That was his first mistake. We don't understand wimmenz or the vajayjay and any discussion of them is fraught with danger.Posted by: Andy at August 20, 2012 07:22 AM

Indeed, the va-jay-jay itself it fraught with danger, as any 'ette will point out.

39 Heckuva job, Akin.

40

Mitt Romney's 2008 tax return has taken three people hostage and barricaded itself inside a house in Davenport, Iowa.

 

Developing....

41

Romney attracts white crowds, Bark's crowd is more diverse.-NYT

Oh, I don't know about that NYT.  Could be Romney attracts "white" hispanics and "white" native-americans, etc.  Besides, you liberal pukes, aren't we suppose to be color blind?  Seems like you are counting according to skin color.  Talk about racist.

42 Damn

43 96pt bolded and underlined to concede unequivocally cases of rape and incest.

The sins of the sperm forcer MUST be carried by the baby.

44 Seems like you are counting according to skin color. Talk about racist.Posted by: Case at August 20, 2012 07:29 AM (QwurB)


The NYT is concerned about every single kind of diversity except the one that actually makes a difference.

Intellectual diversity.

45

Jeez, Donald! Nice optics ... let's definitely conjure up new race cards. Or perhaps it's a stealth trick to get Biden to sing "Ol' Man River" this time.

alexthechick has it just exactly right: "It never ends well" when politicians try to be funny. And the corollary: Republicans always pay a heavy price for their particularly ham-handed hilarity.    

46

When did "political conventions should be funny" start?

47 I am pretty much live and let live. I am ProLife, but, I do believe that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. Infanticide by tortuous dismemberment is ugly and it should not be a form of last minute birth control for anyone, but, rather an extreme remedy for a woman with no other options. With all that said, a rape victim is an entirely different matter--give her whatever she needs. GOP candidates should just not discuss abortion.

48 Clayton Williams emailed me to say that Atkins spoke unwisely.

49 Akin does have a point: The percentage of pregnancies due to rape are very very small. Yet we have a hands-off attitude to abortion that licenses millions of them because of the extremely small percentage due to rape. But he completely missed that issue and went for the face plant.

50 This assumes all rapes are reported. Which they are not. DoJ estimates and other victim advocacy groups put the under-report figure at anywhere from 52% to 60%.


I would say it goes the other way.  I have seen statistics that say that between 50 and 60 percent of all reported rapes are false.

51 all I can see abortions as is an attempt to get out of personal responsibility free card.

Posted by: chris at August 20, 2012 07:15 AM (LWiW

 

 

   Agreed.  But our lack of progress on this front no longer bothers me as much as it used to.  I still believe that abortion is the murder of a person who has committed no wrong.  That includes incidences of rape/incest, of course.  But the fact is that human history is damned ugly, and infanticide is not a new thing.  Right now the bulk of the abortions going on in this country are had by those who are our cultural and political enemies.  Our enemies are destroying their own children, not ours.  I am increasingly accepting of the idea of allowing them to continue doing so.  They are doing great evil - and they will answer for it at the final judgment.  But this is war, and if they want to destroy their own, perhaps we should let them.

 

 

   And that said, I'd like to see a new public health service offered - any time a person has an abortion, offer them free sterilization.  Better yet, mandatory.

52 Posted by: nickless at August 20, 2012 07:33 AM (MMC8r)


No, he doesn't have a point.  See post #33

53

But he completely missed that issue and went for the face plant.

 

This.  If you are running for office and the words "rape" and "abortion" appear together in a response, you did it wrong.

 

It was a totally unforced error.

54 Ryan Lizza has an article in the New Yorker about NYC being the abortion capital of America with its Mecca at the corner of Mott and Bleeker. Even a good bit of the left is squeamish about what abortion stat reveal about the sexual revolution. It took years of pounding away at their message of "safe, legal, rare" to make people accept that sometimes it happens. The truth is much worse than that, but no one wants to talk about it. That said, Akin's comment didn't help.

55 Hopefully Akins' wife doesn't let him anywhere near Birds and Bees duty for their kids if they have any.


They''ll end up thinking babies come from Overstock.com or UPS or some other well researched finding.

56 I would say it goes the other way. I have seen statistics that say that between 50 and 60 percent of all reported rapes are false. Posted by: Vic at August 20, 2012 07:33 AM (YdQQY)

I'd like to see a reputable source on that.  My stats are from DoJ.

No, not the Eric Holder DoJ.  These figures pre-date the chinless wonder.

57 @43

Yeah go with that line of reasoning see how far that gets you with the women a vote.

Let's start talking about rape and incest, I love it. That's a winning strategy.

58 The chance of becoming pregnant when you actually want to is about 30%, as I found out when my wife and I were trying to start a family.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 20, 2012 07:25 AM (sbV1u)

 

 

 

   Is that per act, and under more or less random conditions, or is that when you're intentionally trying to figure out the best time, etc? 

59 I am ProLife, but, I do believe that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. LOLwut?

60 It was a totally unforced error.Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 20, 2012 07:35 AM (B+qrE)


THIS.

Worse still, he opened up the door for McCaskill.  One that had been closing rapidly.

61 There's also date rape. In fact, most rapes are of the date rape variety. As for Trump and his Apprentice skit... The GOP is incapable of being funny.

62 I believe he meant to say "in legitimate rape cases", not legitimate rape.

In other words, differentiating between where a sexual assault has actually occurred versus the cases where a woman might say she has been raped in order to qualify for an abortion, were abortion to be restricted to cases of rape and incest.

63 Is that per act, and under more or less random conditions, or is that when you're intentionally trying to figure out the best time, etc?Posted by: Reactionary at August 20, 2012 07:37 AM (xUM1Q)


Random conditions.  However, even when you're timing to try and get pregnant the stats do not improve all that much.  I just can't remember the actual figure.

64

Posted by: General Woundwort at August 20, 2012 07:21 AM (06lNq)

 

This is a free country and those who are against abortion, even in the cases of rape, should be allowed to say so. I am against abortion in such cases because a baby is a baby. Either you believe that life begins at conception and it's murder or you don't. Period. Anything else is hypocritical (in fact, Ryan, who voted for the act/bill that life begins at conception, is now having to say that he's for MURDER all based on how the baby was conceived.  UGH!)

 

Akin was also pointing out, as far as I can tell, that in the hypothetical situation  where abortion is outlawed except in the case of rape, then there will be women claiming rape simply in order to get an abortion. After the Duke Lacrosse case  it's certainly not unheard of and abortion wasn't even on the line in that case. 

65 Either way, I'm not sure how it's such a big deal.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 20, 2012 07:11 AM (2pG7H)

He's a so-con opposed to homo marriage so Gabe will present him in the worst possible light.

66 Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 20, 2012 07:25 AM (sbV1u)

Your 30% is based on knowing when a woman is ovulating. One can assume that rapes are distributed randomly across women's cycles, so the probability is approximately 2/28 = 7%. But that assumes that rapes occur only in the fertile population, which is clearly not the case. Post-menopausal women are raped, and pre-pubertal girls are raped also. So I would guess the extreme upper limit is 5%

67 The rally in the U.S. markets this summer is nothing but vaporware imo and will not end well when reality sets in.


Here.  Lemme start a fight about something else.  The assumption that the rally is vaporware is based upon the assumption that the US stockmarket is trading shares whose value is based on an evaluation of the worth of the issuing company rather than the market trading the value of the stock itself, independent of the underlying economics of the company.  I do not believe this is the case and probably hasn't been for far longer than anyone would like to admit.  This is my issue with HFT, HFT takes that to eleventy.  When money is being made off being able to leverage share price fluctuations that occur on a fractional second basis, this contributes to the decoupling of price of the stock from the valuation of the company.   Now, the immediate and obvious counter example is the plummeting of the Facebook stock.  Additionally, the problem isn't exclusively caused by HFT, I would place more blame on the trend for compensation to be linked to hitting certain stock price benchmarks.  If your bonus is linked to that, then your concern will be to take the steps necessary to hit your quarterlies, without regard to longterm impact on the company. 


I should also note that there's nothing inherently wrong with the market trading the perceived value of the stock itself.  It's simply that the majority of those in the financial industry seem to be wedded to selling the idea that the market is doing something other than that.  I also don't blame those who want to make their quarterly bonuses.  That's the behavior that's being incentived so of course there's more of it. 

68 33 - Further, the study Andy posted listed their estimates, then went on to say a "majority" of the pregnancies resulted in adolescents who "knew" their attacker. No specificity as to what the "majority" was, but I'm guessing it's a high majority. The word "legitimate" is a very bad choice, but there needs to be some way to differentiate between a forced attack by a stranger, and statutory rape. I'm assuming that's what he was trying to say.

69 In other words, differentiating between where a sexual assault has actually occurred versus the cases where a woman might say she has been raped in order to qualify for an abortion, were abortion to be restricted to cases of rape and incest.Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 07:38 AM (P6QsQ)


Right.  I got that.  I assumed that's what he was saying.  But again, and someone said it upthread, when you are a politician, the words "rape" and "abortion" should never occur in the same sentence, and preferably not in the same paragraph.  Hopefully not even in the same speech.

70 This just in : Obama is still a SCOAMF and Rubio will get his ass kicked!

71
The Belmont Club has an interesting article about how environmentalists always get it wrong. It includes a cute little video comparing Hiroshima to Detroit 65 years after the A Bomb.

72 When did "political conventions should be funny" start? ************ Let's just bring out Sarah Palin in a swimsuit.

73 GOP candidates should not discuss abortion, huh? Really? Is abortion another third rail? Like MediScare, or Social Security which GOP candidates are most definitely talking about? So, one guy steps on his dick and now we just cede the whole issue? What the fuck is the point of even having a political movement if you have to shove your most basic beliefs into the closet? Is you or is you ain't the same crowd always complaining about go along to get along RINO squishes who stand for nothing?

74 @62

It doesn't matter what he meant unless he can cogently and forcefully explain what it was he was trying to communicate, he's toast.

I believe I understand what he meant, I am Pro-Life so I am receptive Pro-Life talking points, but Akins thoughts were so muddled that it's unclear what he was on about.

75 Your 30% is based on knowing when a woman is ovulating. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 20, 2012 07:40 AM (2b4yb)


No its not.  See #63

76 Cases of pregnancies resulting from sexual assault are indeed rare.  If a woman who is sexually assaulted is treated at a hospital, most likely she will be asked if she wants what is commonly referred to as the morning after pill.  In some cases, she is not even asked, it is just administered.  So the odds, even if conditions for fertilization are optimal, are  quite low that a woman would ever need an abortion weeks or months later.


This of course probably is not SOP in Catholic hospitals.

77

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 07:38 AM (P6QsQ)

 

Exactly. Anyone with any sort of brain can figure out what Akin meant and that is why he said he "mispoke" b/c he honestly just said it wrong. DUH.

 

Where are the conservatives who defended Cain the Cad? They defended that idiot where there was tons of proof that he cheated on his wife but they won't defend Akin who stated a FACT in  a slightly mis-worded way? Bunch of Chicken Littles running  scared b/c the big, bad Libs might be upset.

 

If we let the Left get away with crucifying Akin, then they will be emboldened to do it again and again and again. They will know it worked. George Allen was enough. No more.

78 Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 20, 2012 07:40 AM (uIPTz)

Maybe Gabe is presenting him in the worst possible light because he said a profoundly stupid and ignorant (as in empirically incorrect) thing?

79 62 - I guess that hadn't even occurred to me. That makes more sense, and in fact is a much less offensive remark, just poorly worded.

80 The ebook also has some interesting details on Obama's personal issues; for example, Obama was reluctant to play golf with Speaker Boehner, because he knew Boehner would beat him. Obama also told a Rubio supporter in Florida that Rubio should "watch it" because "he might get his ass kicked." Fucking LOL. Watch out for the noodle-armed 145 pound drug-addled kid from Indonesia everyone. He will ride up on his girl bike and put a whoopin' on you. Mom jeans and all.

81 Akin should have responded to the question about abortion with "why are we talking about abortion?  It is not an issue in this campaign.  Why aren't we talking about the economy and high unemployment?"

82 I think I'm ovulating right now, but I'm a guy. Is this a problem or can I get me a govment check?

83 General Woundwort -




I agree.  This was politically dumb.  However, it was not evil.  I can think of plenty of policies on the other side that are purely evil. 

84 Yeah go with that line of reasoning see how far that gets you with the women a vote.

Let's start talking about rape and incest, I love it. That's a winning strategy.

It's not a "line of reasoning" it's the simple truth.  If the unborn is a human being it is innocent of it's conception.

Try and figure the steps between "winning strategy" and Reactionary's "never fails to disgust" vile nonsense @51.

85 "This of course probably is not SOP in Catholic hospitals."

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 07:43 AM (P6QsQ)

So Catholics support pregnancy as a result of rape? Do they send out rape teams to increase the number of Catholics in the world?

86 I am Pro-Life but if people want to inject abortion into this campaign season where we need to absolutely win the White House, hold and expand in the House and make inroads in the Senate, YOUR ALL CRAZY!!!

87 The word 'legitimate' is a very bad choice, but there needs to be some way to differentiate between a forced attack by a stranger, and statutory rape. Or as Whoopie would say, "rape" or "rape rape" which always made me think of that cartoon Grape Ape.

88 Did someone mention rape and incest?

89 So Catholics support pregnancy as a result of rape? Do they send out rape teams to increase the number of Catholics in the world?Posted by: Kos & Friends at August 20, 2012 07:46 AM (2b4yb)


Why do I believe that's the EXACT line of "logic" that Kostards would actually use.

90 If abortion is murder, then what is wrong about being against abortion in cases of rape? I may not agree with it, but it is a principled positition and does not deserve the derision you AOS hand-wringers bitch about. Seriously, do you guys take the same woman hormones? Get some balls. Our side is nothing like the Dems. And Donald? Sound like great TV. Fire his fucking SCOAMF ass.

91 Director Tony Scott jumped of a bridge to his death?

92 @83

I never said it was evil, I pretty much understand what he was talking about, but come on.

93

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 20, 2012 07:41 AM (sbV1u)

 

Wrong. More and more politicians are beginning to say that they oppose abortion even in the case of rape. I've been heartened seeing it the last four years  or so  because I've been waiting a long time for it.  I believe that is Palin's stance (and why I used to like her very much). Even Phil Donahue once pointed out that it's absolute hypocrisy to say you are pro-life and life begins at conception  and abortion is murder  and then turn around and condone it simply based on how the child was conceived. When even Donahue can see how stupid it is, you know it's bad.

94 Watching the interview, I think Akin's problem is he's a political naif. The main gaffe with his statement is it's not been pre-parsed enough so that he makes the mistake of saying what he thinks bluntly. I won't defend him necessarily because in general he comes across as very unsophisticated and thus likely to shoot himself in the foot often. One thing conservatives don't need is another Joe Biden on our team with the mistaken belief that the media will give him any similar passes to what the Vice President regularly receives. Nevertheless, some observations:

1) The guy interviewing him finds nothing amiss in what Akin says at all and moves on to the next question. Thus, it does require some parsing of his statement to decide it's the most horrendous thing a politician has uttered in the last week. It's not as though the interviewer goes, "What the hell are you saying?"

2) What he means by legitimate rape is to distinguish it from a woman who wanted an abortion and only claimed to be raped. If abortion were illegal except in the case of rape and incest, it is not out of the realm of possibility that you would produce a legal incentive for a woman seeking an abortion to cry rape, regardless of the actual circumstance that caused her pregnancy. Current statistics are very few rape pregnancies occur--at least in the US. If you want to increase the number of very young men being accused of rape, make rape one of the only ways an unwed teen girl can legally get an abortion. (And as someone mentioned upthread, Whoopi Goldberg has made a similar distinction in defending Roman Polanski. She still has her job.)

3) The science he claims doctors have explained to him he muddles, but it is not entirely fiction either. See this study: http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/3511. "Robertson said sperm was more likely to fail if the woman had not previously been exposed to that man's semen for at least three months." Perhaps (perhaps) he's more informed on this subject than many of his detractors assume, but that he might have relied on hearsay from such a study only reinforces what I said earlier about the likelihood he will embarrass himself again in the future. The media will helpfully point out these mitigations for a Democrat, not a Republican.

4) We have a sitting--Democratic--Congressman who believes the presence of marines on Guam could cause it to tip over. That doesn't mean we need to elect even more idiots to the Senate, but it establishes perspective on this brouhaha.

95

From the Politico piece:

"Bored with the traditional one-city format for national conventions, they briefly considered a groundbreaking plan to stage four nights of events in four cities in 2010. The plan turned out to be a logistical nightmare, and would have cost the party and networks millions more. It was quickly scrapped."  
Open admission of political coordination between the current occupant of the oval office and 'the networks'. Bias?  What bias?

96 One problem with legally restricting abortion to cases of rape and incest, is that any female who wants an abortion will have to charge someone, innocent or not, with rape and incest.

97 More and more politicians are beginning to say that they oppose abortion even in the case of rape. Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 20, 2012 07:48 AM (KL49F)

For the record, that's my position.

Also for the record, every time a politician talks about it, they fuck it up.

98 I never said it was evil


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Oh, I know you didn't.  I was just making a general statement. 

99 Maybe Gabe is presenting him in the worst possible light because he said a profoundly stupid and ignorant (as in empirically incorrect) thing?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 20, 2012 07:44 AM (2b4yb)

So fucking what.  Obama and Biden say dumber shit than this every week.  Yes I wish this hadn't happened and people like that ought to know when to keep their fucking yaps shut on potential "gotcha" topics.  But if this single fucking issue ends up turning an election around, we're a more stupid population than deserves a representative government.

100 Director Tony Scott jumped of a bridge to his death?

Posted by: 66chevelle at August 20, 2012 07:48 AM (QjSgY)

See link at #3

101 For the record, that's my position.

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That's my position too.  I don't think this will happen until it's most everyone's position.  This involves a change of heart, not a change of law.

102 I am Pro-Life but if people want to inject abortion into this campaign season where we need to absolutely win the White House, hold and expand in the House and make inroads in the Senate, YOUR ALL CRAZY!!! Posted by: General Woundwort at August 20, 2012 07:46 AM (06lNq) We don't have to "inject" it, your friendly neighborhood reporter is gonna go to guns, gays and abortions every chance they get. Just like they'd go to MediScare and Social Security. The problem is not that the guy talked about abortion, but that he talked about it badly. That doesn't mean we can or should suddenly all retreat into mealy-mouthed "I am pro-Life, but..." (please please don't talk about it) disclaimers. It's gonna get talked about. You cannot wish it away. Just like you cannot wish away MediScare. Somehow, the GOP found a way to talk intelligently about that long time shibboleth. Don't let one freakin gaffe turn you into Private Hudson.

103 This involves a change of heart, not a change of law.Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 07:52 AM (P6QsQ)

THIS.

And it's happening, slowly.  Too slowly.  But it's happening.

104 guaranteed dick stepper-onner. Posted by: bigfakehand at August 20, 2012 07:28 AM (fotBh) Heh...

105

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 20, 2012 07:42 AM (qZXps)

 

Damn good post. I'm sick of being what I can and cannot talk about  by my fellow conservatives! What the hell do we have a 1st Amendment for? I thought conservatives were for the Constituion?

106 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 20, 2012 07:40 AM (2b4yb) They say men can tell when a woman is at peak fertility by her movements. Since rape is one of the worst things you can do to somebody as opposed to scratching a biological itch, there probably are a lot of sick fucks going for the hat trick and trying to impregnate their victim. Rare but happens.

107

Heh. 

From a BFH commenter:

<Good thing he took the Prius, or we would have seen a headline like “SUV Drives Director to his Death”>

 

http://tinyurl.com/94swxkc

 

 

 (not a BFH link)

108 And it's happening, slowly. Too slowly. But it's happening.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 20, 2012 07:53 AM (sbV1u)

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I agree. I think the technology revolution is contributing to that.  When it was impossible to see a baby inside the womb, or when it was impossible for a very young baby to survive outside the womb, abortion was a much easier sell. 

109

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 20, 2012 07:50 AM (sbV1u)

 

Can you name another time? I can't. More Repubilcans than ever before on stating this as their position and they are not "fucking up". Akin worded this wrong/left out a word but his statement is factual and consistent.

110 OK, that said, some the sharpness of my tone today may be ascribed to the outright hysteria I saw on threads here and elsewhere last night.

111 #86, Exactly. While we are trying to pull America back from the point of no return with regards to socialism, it makes sense to refrain from discussing abortion. I wish we could be as open and honest as we are in this forum, but, we can't, for the simple reason that we have a dishonest and biased Press to circumvent.

112 For all the idiots in the dog house.  Like Akins.

http://youtu.be/lpzqQst-Sg8

113 The Democrats have been trying to make this election about social issues since day one.  The last thing they want to talk about is the economy and jobs so that is the drum we should be pounding on daily.

114 More Repubilcans than ever before on stating this as their position and they are not "fucking up". Akin worded this wrong/left out a word but his statement is factual and consistent. Akin worded this wrong/left out a word but his statement is factual and consistent.Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 20, 2012 07:56 AM (KL49F)


In colloquial English that would be known as a "fuck up."

115 Here's an inkblot test: Trent Lott was an ambulatory penis and manshaped corruption, but should he have been forced out for the reason he was forced out?

116

Posted by: Vic at August 20, 2012 07:52 AM (YdQQY)

 

Yeah, I know.  Just trying to bring it up in the mix.

117 The last thing they want to talk about is the economy and jobs so that is the drum we should be pounding on daily. Posted by: Vic at August 20, 2012 07:58 AM (YdQQY)

EXACTLY.

Again, someone said it up-thread.  The correct response was, "That's not an issue in this election.  What IS an issue is McCaskill's support for every job killing measure that's emanated from the White House.  So let's talk about that."

118 Trump AND Christine O'Donnell will be at convention? Oh well. Momentum was fun while it lasted.

119 #111 Be sure to forward that sentiment to the debate moderators and town hall participants. I am quite sure they will be happy to oblige your wishcasting.

120 Morning all.

121 The rape/abortion linkage has always been weak.  As the above quote of 5% shows.

But by trotting that linkage out, its *BAM* emotions at 12 alert.  And it becomes third rail.

Anyone stupid enough to fall in such an obvious pitfall needs to be kept to dull objects like sporks and get nappy times with Joe Biden.

122 Here's an inkblot test: Trent Lott was an ambulatory penis and manshaped corruption, but should he have been forced out for the reason he was forced out?

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 20, 2012 07:59 AM (qZXps)

No but when he started sucking up to the likes of Sharpton and Jackson, I was glad to see him go by any means possible.

123 "And incest." Sheesh. That's also a false qualification. If it's non-consentual incest, it's 'rape'. If it's consentual incest (between adults), I don't know why a generation of inbreeding qualifies a death sentence for a child.

124 Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 20, 2012 07:43 AM (sbV1u)

Your statistics are incorrect.

28 day cycle.
pregnancy can occur during 1-3 of those days.
Random distribution of intercourse across those 28 days yields approximately 3%-11% impregnation, with a lower incidence of pregnancy, and an even lower rate of carrying to term.

125 Dempsey: US feels no pressure from Israel to back strike Chairman of US Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey says Israel views Iranian threat with more urgency, reveals he confers with IDF chief Benny Gantz on 'bi-weekly- basis Dempsey seems to have a severe case of diarrhea of the mouth.

126 Three star and four star generals have to be approved by Congress so they are politicians first, leaders third.

127 For many years after I retired from the public schools, I worked for a veterinarian.  People would call up and say "Oh Noes!  I think my dog accidentally got pregnant!  What can I do?" 

And the vet would tell them, "Get ready for puppies.  There's no way I'm going in there and kill them."

And there's no one in that office that would have assisted him either.

128

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 20, 2012 07:58 AM (sbV1u)

 

No, you posted that "every time" this is talked about, the politician "fucks up". Outside of  this from Akin, what other time has this happened? I can't name one...

129 Your statistics are incorrect.Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 20, 2012 08:03 AM


Thank you.  I'll be sure to tell our OB/GYN that she fails at math and she wasted 8 years in medical school.

130

Posted by: nickless at August 20, 2012 08:03 AM (MMC8r)

 

Amen. This  has always driven me nuts.

131 I don't think Akin's comment is a BFD, and Romney/Ryan shouldn't go off message. They issued a statement, and that was more than sufficient. All this "If Biden should apologize" talk is silly. Joe Biden should apologize for not being an abortion every time he steps up to a mike. He gives retards a bad name, and it's terrifying that he's a heartbeat away from the presidency when he's a chromosome short of humanity. They have different standards for Republicans, so play by different rules. Talk about whatever you want. But Romney / Ryan have this week to make their Medicare case. After the convention, back to the economy. Tie entitlement reform, debt and spending into the economy. Talk about how much Obamacare sucks and how it pays for abortions and all kinds of shit. In the end, all their social arguments boil down to money. They don't call it socialism for nothing.

132 While we are trying to pull America back from the point of no return with regards to socialism, it makes sense to refrain from discussing abortion.

If we want to discuss the solvency of Social Security and Medicare, 30 million people (roughly...extrapolating from 50 million since 1972, but leaving out those under 20, homemakers, etc) who aren't paying the aforementioned payroll taxes because their mother had them killed might be relevant.

133 No, you posted that "every time" this is talked about, the politician "fucks up". Outside of this from Akin, what other time has this happened? I can't name one...Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 20, 2012 08:05 AM (KL49F)

Since I haven't had enough coffee for a Lexis-Nexis and Google marathon this morning, you win. 

134 New post up already up.  Its a caption this one.

135 Super damn.

136 Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 20, 2012 07:51 AM (uIPTz)

I respect his stance (incoherent as it may be) on abortion.

What I reject is the tone deafness of the statement, and the stupidity of making such a statement in the midst of a political race.

I would love to have a 4th Estate that is fair to both sides of the political debate.

I also want to have a threesome with Kate Upton and Eva Mendez.

137 I think dagny had a good point a couple of months ago when she questioned the notion that an abortion is somehow therapeutic for a rape victim.

138

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 08:05 AM (P6QsQ)

 

Aw! What a great doctor. I wish my grandma's vet had been as nice. She brought in her new female kitty for spaying and instead of checking to see if she was pregnant first, he just went ahead and aborted! He didn't even ask if grandma wanted  the  kittens. Everyone in the family would've given one a good home. I still think about that to this day and it was nearly 20 yrs ago. Makes me so mad.

139

Open admission of political coordinationbetween the current occupant of the oval office and 'the networks'. Bias? What bias?

This kind of coordination is expected between both campaigns.  Asking the networks if changing up the convention format would screw with their coverage is just good sense.

140 The FBI probed a late-night swim in the Sea of Galilee that involved drinking, numerous GOP freshmen lawmakers, top leadership staff — and one nude member of Congress, according to more than a dozen sources, including eyewitnesses. During a fact-finding congressional trip to the Holy Land last summer, Rep. Kevin Yoder (R-Kan.) took off his clothes and jumped into the sea, joining a number of members, their families and GOP staff during a night out in Israel, the sources told POLITICO. Other participants, including the daughter of another congressman, swam fully clothed, while some lawmakers partially disrobed. More than 20 people took part in the late-night dip in the sea, according to sources who were participants in the trip. Yawn! So? I've gotten drunk on the Sea of Galilee more than once and have skinny dipped in Israel and the Sinai also. Memories that I cherish

141 Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 20, 2012 08:06 AM (sbV1u)

I am not talking about your specific circumstances (none of my business, and extremely tacky to boot).

I am analyzing the numbers. Please check my data and my math if you think I am incorrect.

142 Thank you Balrog and Captain Hate for your clear common sense. The hysterics last night were tiresome and some struck me as AstroTurf. When I started reading this thread, all I could think of was "OH NOES NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN!!!" How did a comment made by a pissant candidate on a sleepy August Sunday get national play so quickly? Along with liberal seeding on conservative comment boards? Somebody here had over one hundred comments on one thread.

143 I also want to have a threesome with Kate Upton and Eva Mendez.Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 20, 2012 08:08 AM (2b4yb)


That's a campaign I can get behind!  IYKWIMAITTYD

144 Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at August 20, 2012 08:09 AM (pmDdf)

What a vile idea. I remember the discussion. Awful.

145 I am analyzing the numbers. Please check my data and my math if you think I am incorrect.Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 20, 2012 08:10 AM (2b4yb)


I'm just giving you that stats she gave to me.  I didn't make it up.

146

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 20, 2012 08:07 AM (sbV1u)

 

I wasn't trying to "win", I honestly wanted to know if you knew of another. I follow this closely since I'm so glad to see more politicians take this stand and didn't want to have missed it.

147 I see pro life people asked all the time about rape and incest, but the funny thing is I can't remember the last time I saw a pro choice politician asked, "Do you think there is anything wrong with the same woman having multiple abortions?"

I guarantee you that happens more often than abortion from rape or incest. Pro life politicians always get hammered with the tough cases, but pro choice politicians get a pass on theirs because the MSM is clearly pro choice.

148 He didn't even ask if grandma wanted the kittens.

Sweet Bast's litter box. That's horrible.

149 I've gotten drunk on the Sea of Galilee more than once and have skinny dipped in Israel and the Sinai also.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 08:09 AM (05RcU)

Just as long as I don't have to watch!

When I was a kid we took a trip through the Sinai and dived at Sharm El Sheikh. Amazing!

150 Eh....progs could already run plenty of ads re Akin and his pro-life stance. The pro-life, pro-choice vote is already well and locked up. Can't see this changing much, vote-wise.

151 I make a bumper sticker that says "Protect unborn women.  Pretend they're baby seals."

152 When I was a kid we took a trip through the Sinai and dived at Sharm El Sheikh. Amazing! Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 20, 2012 08:13 AM (2b4yb) Yup. And let's just say I did better at Sharm El Sheihk than I ever did at any singles bar.

153 Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 20, 2012 08:11 AM (sbV1u)

I am not suggesting that you made it up! We are having a (hopefully) friendly disagreement. If I seem contentious it is not my intent.

154 I've gotten drunk on the Sea of Galilee more than once

You should see the parties we had down there.

155 What I reject is the tone deafness of the statement, and the stupidity of making such a statement in the midst of a political race.

I would love to have a 4th Estate that is fair to both sides of the political debate.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 20, 2012 08:08 AM (2b4yb)

I think we're on the same side on this.  My problem is that by yammering about it incessantly, such as making it the lead item in "Headline Comments", we're helping the cocksuckers.  I'm not saying it should be ignored but it's really nothing but a sideshow and, considering how the JEF is tailoring his appeal to the Sandra Flukes of the world, probably not as damaging as a lot of people are acting.

156 Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2012 08:15 AM (05RcU)

I was 11.

This was before we gave it all back. We took a camping trip all over the Sinai, including a hike up Mt. Sinai and a visit to St. Catherine's Monastery.

157 Could someone please buy Paul Ryan a plane  ticket to the Sea of Galilee?



Thanks.

158 So Obama as a kid was one of the most annoying types of sports kids.  An average athlete that trash talks the entire time.  Color me unsurprised.

The fact that Obama is contemptuous of Romney is wonderful.  The odds of him losing his cool on national TV during a debate are way up.

On the Akin thing.  It was a dumb statement, and the media are going to run with it 24/7, since it fits the narrative they want to use.  It is going to make it harder for Akin to win, if he stays in.  But it is survivable if he does, if he plays it right.  He'll need to do an apology tour for a week.  In the end, no one who was going to vote for him was going to be swayed by abortion.  Everyone for whom that is the top topic was going to vote for McCaskill anyway.

It will have zero effect on the national race, since R&R did the smart thing and put a statement out now.  When the press start badgering them on it, they can just refer to the statement and say it is an issue in Missouri.

Now if the GOP had complete control here, they would pull a Lautenberg and replace Akin with Steeleman, but I'm sure Akin would have to believe he has no path to victory.

159 If I seem contentious it is not my intent.Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 20, 2012 08:15 AM (2b4yb)

Naaah.  We're good.  Always are.

Where's your old hash?

160 This was before we gave it all back. We took a camping trip all over the Sinai, including a hike up Mt. Sinai and a visit to St. Catherine's Monastery. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 20, 2012 08:18 AM (2b4yb) Yeah good times. I went in with a bus load of college kids when I was an exchange student at the Dental School at Hebrew U.

161 Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 20, 2012 08:17 AM (uIPTz)

I agree. But around here we hold our politicians to a very high standard, because the MBM will pounce on these kinds of errors and blow them completely out of proportion.

However, you ignored the most important part of my comment:

I also want to have a threesome with Kate Upton and Eva Mendez.

162 Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 20, 2012 08:19 AM (sbV1u)

In the trash with my old router!

163 The only damage done by this Akin thing is that now I'm really annoyed with Romney/Ryan. I am sick and tired of the hypocrsy of so-called "pro-life" politicians saying that murder is a-ok based on how the baby was conceived.

164 What I reject is the tone deafness of the statement, and the stupidity of making such a statement in the midst of a political race. I would love to have a 4th Estate that is fair to both sides of the political debate.

That's where I am also coming from.  You have to expect the press to NOT be fair to the Republican and that's why talking about it at all, especially in an election which should be focused on the economy, is a bad idea.

If you DO opt to talk about it, then it had better be well-rehearsed with no possibility of "inartful phrasing."  It was an unforced error and it opens the door for McCaskill to claw her way back in.

165 This abortion shit is either the lead story or very near the top at every news site on the internet

166 In the trash with my old router!Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 20, 2012 08:21 AM (2b4yb)

You realize, of course, that your new router now makes it more difficult to spot the borderline clever/insane socks you will now post.

Dammit, now I am going to have to spend the next 20 minutes memorizing this hash.

167 137 That's a great point. Somehow having a transvaginal ultrasound is invasive, but a penis or a pair of forceps are like cleaning out your ears with a QTip. 147 This is that "safe, rare and legal" mantra of theirs. They have turned it into a silver bullet when it really doesn't hold water. Most people are too squeamish to talk specifics, most especially increasingly squishy politicians who just parrot talking points until they settle into their office and do fuck all.

168 The Donald putting on a "skit" at RNC ? WTF ? The Establishment R's making one last try at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory ? Are we all at summer camp ? Akins' unforced error reminds me of the Derb scandal of a month or two ago. The "dick and golf shoes moment" can be a career-ender even if it overshadows a lot of otherwise good stuff. Speaking of stuff, thats what we should do with Akins, such as into a laundry chute. Oh, and thanks for the "nationalize Facebook" link, I needed a good artery-clearing laugh this morning, and the benevolent leftocracy is the gift that keeps on giving. I imagine his friends are losing out on the IPO and this is his way of trying to help.

169 They have turned it into a silver bullet when it really doesn't hold water. Heh.

170 This abortion shit is either the lead story or very near the top at every news site on the internet

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No surprise there.  I bet the Team Obama/MSM is beside themselves with glee that they have a new shiny object with which to distract the voters.  I bet they went to church and prayed for something like this yesterday morning.



Oh wait.

171 Dammit, now I am going to have to spend the next 20 minutes memorizing this hash.



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Easy.  2b4yb. 

He's a 2 by 4.

172 I'm not one of those Conservatives that says social issues should be out of bounds. But this story is a dead end for us in more ways than one.

The guy is a shmuck. That would be my defense of his remark.

And we should get back to making SCOAMF defend the only part of his history that he can't hide, an economy strangled by massive government spending and regulation.

Intentionally. 

173 Ugh indeed. The GOP needs social issues to be front and center this election season the same way that skulls need holes in them. Unbelievably dumb comments there by Rep. Akin. The only saving grace is that nobody of consequence is paying attention, but you can bet your bottom dollar the Dem-media machine in October will be educating MO swing voters about them. Trump at the convention is a recipe for a train wreck. Again, the only saving grace is that very few people will be paying attention. Now the Romney-Ryan campaign appears hell bent on taking an election that's obviously about the economy and turning it into a referendum on Medicare. Not smart. Incredibly dumb, in fact. Team Romney needs to win this election, not to "win the debate." The reasons for that are so numbingly obvious they'll actually be lost on a material plurality of the right and the putative right side of the spectrum. Political irony, defined.

174

I suppose you're all going to claim you didn't give me this cold.

 

<glares anyway>

 

Actually, I'm pretty sure it was EoJ's follow Friday Tweet...

175

Why can't all Tea Party candidates be Ron Johnson?

 

I'd have thought by now the mad scientists at the Evil RethugliKKKan lab would have cloned a couple dozen by now.

 

In other news, Paul Ryan will be in West Chester PA tomorrow.

176 How do you expect to appoint conservative justices when you flinch from prosecuting their cases in between confirmation hearings? The left are like sharks. They never sleep. Their hunger for more government is voracious. So-called socially liberal fiscons are dinner. They don't stand a chance.

177 Honestly, I don't think the immediate dialing it up to eleventy in the media is going to work.  Rasmussen already had a poll that no one is believing the media now, and everyone thinks they are in the tank for the Dems.  This will be seen as just another example.

The majority of voters will look at this and say "Yep, that was a stupid thing to say.  Now how exactly does this help me get a job?"

It is either a 2 day squirrel, or a jump the shark moment.

178 City Ends School Lunch Program That Used Professional Chefs
http://is.gd/nu7fOo
(link to NY Slimes)


Think any of the parents will make a connection between the tyranny of centralized government and their kids having to eat processed meals?

179 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

180 He's a 2 by 4.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 20, 2012 08:28 AM (P6QsQ)

What are you saying? I'm as dumb as a post?

181 "The GOP needs social issues to be front and center this election season the same way that skulls need holes in them." Actually, skulls do need holes, otherwise you can't breathe, eat, see or hear.

182 >> This abortion shit is either the lead story or very near the top at every news site on the internet

Not on Drudge

183 And in response to above.  R&R bringing Medicare into the debate and "running on it" is politically brilliant.  It makes them look like the adults in the room, and takes away the Dems Plan A, B, and C.  They were planning to hit the GOP hard with Mediscare in October, and they've just been neutered.

I talked with my parents in the retirement community yesterday, and all of their friends are on board with the Ryan plan.  They were shocked to learn about the $700B.  No one knew about it, and they are PISSED now.

184 Walis Shoebat finds yet another link between Clinton aid Huma Abeddin and the Muslim Brotherhood. http://tinyurl.com/8erepvz John McCain should apologize to Congresswoman Bachmann and then resign his party membership.

185 I really think it's his use of the term "legitimate rape." Is here such thing as a "legitimate rape"? If so, when would rape be "legitimate"?

You know.  When it's rape-rape.

186

>>What are you saying? I'm as dumb as a post?

 

No, nooooo, she's saying that when you make a good point, we'll say "he whacked that with a 2x4."

187 Don't blame me; I voted for Steelman.

188 So I don't know about all this, but I can say I ate one mean BBQ Brisket yesterday, and have leftovers for a couple of days.

Yum.

189 "I bet they went to church and prayed for something like this yesterday morning." Knowing who baptized the Obama girls, he probably did pray for the opportunity to talk about how awesome abortion is. I laughed when I saw he's going to church again. Last week in Iowa, he was excited to "drink a beer and eat a pork chop." He is so gonna lose, and this comment by Akin doesn't lower the price of gas, give people jobs or lower their taxes.

190 OK, my idiot super Liberal boss just came in laughing and crowing about that idiot Republican's stupid remarks on abortion and rape. He wss speaking to my idiot super Liberal co-worker. They were laughing and high fiving each other over it. They are both Catholics and obamaites.

191 They are both Catholics and obamaites.Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at August 20, 2012 08:44 AM (yCf0j)

If they are pro-abortion they're not Catholic.  They're Protestants who haven't gotten clued in yet.

Although even some Protestant denominations are stepping up lately.

192 190 Remind him of Joe Biden, and that Biden will come around again.

193

They were laughing and high fiving each other over it.

___

 

What's to celebrate? The election that would be affected is in Missouri, and that state doesn't seem to be a hotbed of feminazi rage and foment. I don't know who Akins is, but if he can stay on message and compare his record to McCaskilll's rubberstamping of every Obama plan, especially Obamacare, he should be OK.

 

194 Okay, I admit- I completely missed Rep Akin's (sp?) abortion re: rape comment.  Also, I got about 4 hours (or less) of sleep last night, and I'm still working on the first cup of coffee, so if I'm way off base, or if this comes out incoherently, please ignore it.  If I'm following it correctly, he basically said he disapproved (did he go so far as to say 'ban?') of abortion even in the case of rape.

Assuming that's correct: why the hyperventilating?  That's a lot more defensible than just about any position the Democrats take.  It's not that baby's fault you got raped, and killing him/her is not going to un-rape you. (That's harsh, but I'm tired of dancing around the issue).

Now, It may be true that it is politically ill-advised to say it, and frankly I'd rather the Federal position on abortion at all to be that it doesn't have a position.  But from a right v wrong standpoint, that's not a wrong idea.

Also- why do we always include "incest?"  Either it's rape, or its consensual.  If it's rape (even if it's "just" authority figure type rape, where the girl (or boy) technically "consents" because they don't feel like they have another option), then any exclusion would be under the "rape" portion, wouldn't it?

195 Out of ammunition? Back to the pretend war on womyn:


Democrats target Paul Ryan on women's issues

But President Barack Obama's re-election team and its allies have also been highlighting the congressman's staunchly anti-abortion stance, hoping to buttress its argument that the Republican ticket is hostile to women's rights.

In a statement, the Obama campaign said, "American women know they can't trust a Romney/Ryan ticket to stand up for them."

"It's incredibly clear that Paul Ryan is an extreme anti-choice candidate," said Lissy Moskowitz, general counsel for NARAL Pro-Choice America. "He's a leader on this issue."

Maybe they can trot cartoon character Julia out again and have Ryan as the villain in the next installment

196 They're Protestants who haven't gotten clued in yet.

I don't know of any Protestant denomination who is okay with abortion.  Well, maybe those weirdo Unitarians (I'm not even sure they know what they believe, so how could I?), but other than that, I've never heard of any denomination that says, "Hey, abortion?  Whatever.  That's just between you and God."

Protestant religions (with few exceptions) don't have the concept of "excommunication" or the denial of communion, so they're not as public about their disapproval.

197 So, it ain't just the budget. Ryan is abandoning pro-life principles to be buddies with Mitt.

198 AllenG Im a no exceptions pro-lifer even for rape, but the prob with Akins comment is two fold. One is its stupid - implying theres some phsiological mechanism that prevents conception in the case of forced sex. The second is that it implies that there are degrees of rape. It suggests that the instances of real rape ( thst woyld trigger this made up biological protection from prefnancy) are really rare. That said I dont see how Romney is responsible for some stray Republicans dumb views about rape. FWIW I am not bothered by Ryan having to align with Romneys position on abortion even though its against church teaching. Its just pragmatic.

199 Im a no exceptions pro-lifer even for rape, but the prob with Akins comment is two fold. One is its stupid - implying theres some phsiological mechanism that prevents conception in the case of forced sex. The second is that it implies that there are degrees of rape. It suggests that the instances of real rape ( thst woyld trigger this made up biological protection from prefnancy) are really rare.

Oh, geez.  So it's not his position on abortion, it's that he has no clue how procreation works.  Awesome.

Memo to Rep. Akins: Stop Helping.

200 "Valedictorian fights for diploma" http://tinyurl.com/9t4ulvd In her valedictory speech, he kid said "heck" in the transcript she provided to the school and then, in the moment, said "hell". Now, the price for the diploma is a public apology admitting that she is wrong. Gestapo teachers.

201 Nope, they are Catholics, BAD Catholics, but, still Catholics. My boss goes to Mass every week and he literally tears up when he speaks about the Holy Father. I do not understand how he maintains the dichotomy, but, he does. All three of my Catholic co-workers are huge Liberals.

202
# 190

When I was still working in White Plains New York, one of my ultra lib 'co workers' had a thing for Sarah Palin, and often remarked on her statement about seeing Russia from her back yard. It didn't matter how many times I corrected her, and informed her that statement originated in an SNL skit, she was convinced in her liberal heart that SP actually said that.

Like so many liberals, they're more interested in the fantasy that liberalism promises, rather than the reality it produces. There's no other way to explain people that are going to vote for Obama this time around.

203 Fox Business had on a market futures report I am trying to find, said

Got it.

http://tinyurl.com/9b37zst

Oil look to be creeping up.

I was one of the people pissed, and I am gonna be around a lot less.  Need to figure out who to give to now that I maxed my Romney contribution this cycle.  Akin's being singled out is not fair and despite lowandslow's inferences it is possible to be against abortion and yield to the obstacles in the lay of the battle area making the hyperbole counterproductive.

The democrats due to media collusion have the benefit of "understood you" as in English class, when a democrat says they support abortion on demand there is "an understood you" granted them that "of course it should be rare".  Lamenting about or raging about this bias will not change the presence of it.  Losing nobly on the purest position possible on abortion does nothing to end the matter because it is not important enough or hyped enough nonstop to make it a prime issue.

The GOP has within it's coalition a range of views from pro-choice(usually a milder form than democrats) to strictly pro-life.  If the issue can depress and create schisms within our own caucus I can't see the good of someone so inarticulate they allow themselves to use the words "legitimate, rape, abortion" in the same sentence.  The average female voter has been bombarded her entire reproductive life with messages about the nobility of the planned parenthood position, and the fact you are not supposed to resist rape, and Akin no matter how noble his intentions took the rhetorical equivalent of a popgun to a howitzer fight.

It is my opinion the issues to beat Obama with could not be more clear and we should have a laser like focus on beating Obama not trying to defeat abortion with magic thinking.  Attacking abortion will require at worst a true Constitutional amendment, and at a minimum a gradual approach to find the point where the SCotUS and public desire intersect.  Our batting average on cases brought before the court lead me to believe it will likely take a different court, or an amendment so this is not a single cycle issue for a Congressman or a Senator and is definitely not the ideal lead position on which a Presidential campaign should pivot.

Akin has given the press a free fire mission in a box they nicely prepared with Barack with regards to "war on women".  Barack *should* be on the ropes about Medicare and getting softened up for his pandering on fuel costs at the last minute after blocking petrochem development and a VERY elegant deal from Canada.  Now he gets to state "I support the right to choose" without being raked over the coals as we will be.(the understood you in action)

Never mind he supports live babies being left in closets to die so his then pre-pubescent daughters would not "be punished with a baby".  He never gets called on anything, held to any standard, and can do the EXACT same policies as Bush and get a pass.  Rage at, or desire to hold the press accountable for the aforementioned behavior matrix while sincere and not in all likelihood offered as a distraction obscures the fact that the only way to punish Barack and the media is to defeat them by as wide a coalition as possible.

I feel Akin's mangling of his phrasing, no matter how noble his heart is is a disservice to stopping a dangerous man.  Stopping Obama *is* a single cycle matter.  We already have a stacked deck against us, I am aghast that a candidate for the upper chamber of the legislature does not understand the long game well enough to act like a politician on a loaded matter.

The morning round up has always been a pleasure, I do look forward to popping in when I can and missed you guys a lot during my latest absence.  Even when not here Vic it is always a pleasure to read your gathering and analysis of the day to come.  Be well, stay focused, and as always state your case politely to the world around you.

Monty if you read this I miss DOOM! immensely, perhaps my most cogent and well presented posts were inspired by the morning crew's rapport there

I hope you are a success at whatever you are doing and sincerely feel you could do a column in a major e-pub.

Be safe all,
sven.

204 This sunday our priest talked about CINO. He said that he hears there are so many Catholics by the numbers but then he looks in church and knows that isn't true. He particularly called out the Catholics who decided what they want to believe and not believe and still call themselves Catholics. He was a "visiting mission priest" from Africa. They come, give the sermon and take the second collection.

205 And, Gabby, this is yet another example of why it's called the Stupid Party.  Akins is not the Presidential or Vice Presidential Candidate.  To put it in terms that even the Stupid Party can comprehend, "Who cares?"

206
You should see the parties we had down there.

Posted by: Yeshua at August 20, 2012 08:16 AM (/kI1Q)

 

Remember when Eve stunk up all the fish? 

The look on your face... I'd never seen you so pissed off.

207

>>White Plains New York

 

The Little Spot compels you! 

(As does  Michael's Pizza)

208 Late to the thread but my observations on the Akin thing are (admittedly using the very small sample of "commenters on this and the ONT thread) that people from Missouri don't seem to be upset and the majority of the 'Ettes aren't upset. Also, Dagney was right. Denial is never a good long term coping strategy and abortion in cases of sexual attack is essentially the ultimate form of denial. That it would seem like a good idea at the time is completely understandable, but women absolutely deserve better than a band-aid fix that comes with its own long-term trauma.

209 For clarity's sakes I do not mean abortion is not an important matter to the citizens of the nation, I am speaking of media interest in "the story".

The media use it as a cudgel and a caucus divider aimed at us when the democrats are in trouble in an election.

The abortion issue matters to be, but I feel a modular alteration of the battlescape is the long term way we can guide the evolution of the electorate to our ends.

The poster who stated the reduction in the abortion issue's intensity made a good point.  I went deep in to debt lacking healthcare to take my now wife to the ob/gyn's when our first pregnancy was going oddly.  Was well worth it despite the data we received.

Again be well all.

sven

210 White Plains is considered a city. After all, they got a trump tower: http://tinyurl.com/9twczu7

211 8-9 years ago Trump did a "you're fired!" skit for Microsoft's Xbob E3 conference where he fired stand-ins for the Sony Playstation execs for making a lousy online network.

212 (ABC) - President Obama's reelection campaign has benefited immensely from the backing of much of Hollywood's elite, but few share a closer relationship with him than George Clooney. In an interview to be aired Monday, the president contends those ties were born out of shared policy vision before assuming the Oval Office.

Speaking with CBS' " Entertainment Tonight," Obama recounted laboring with Clooney on the troubled region when he was a senator.

"That was an issue that I was working together on a bipartisan basis, and George, who had traveled there, done documentaries there, and was very well-informed, came to testify in Congress," he said. "And so we got to know each other, and he is a good man, and a good friend."

Nothing else to do all day but a softball interview with ET and blow his buddy Clooney

213

Like so many liberals, they're more interested in the fantasy that liberalism promises, rather than the reality it produces.

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That accounts for some of them, but most liberals just want to be identified with the "kewl" crowd, and who defines that crowd? The MSM. They're basically just pop culture junkies, it has nothing to do with understanding government or policy or having any vision for our nation at all. They're just desperate to fit in with the Hollywood/Manhattan acceptability narrative.

 

Essentially, they are insecure people looking for validation. That's how you get Catholics who support Obama: they validate their Catholic faith by loving the religion's figurehead. And they validate their worth as a citizen by supporting the MSM preazy boyfriend of the moment.

214 I've been writing on people's fb walls that if you think abortion in this economic climate is an issue then maybe you should stop being a democratic robot or better yet, turn back your degree, cause if you don't realize the only issue this election is the economy then you don't deserve that degree. Stops the abortion ranting right away.

215 Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 20, 2012 09:17 AM (1Jaio)

I'm much more worried about the fact he seems to think that George Clooney is a good source for advice on foreign policy.

216 Clue: STFU about abortion until the Obungler is fired. Abortion is a distraction and a losing PR issue. The MSM loves to get dumbfucks like Akin talking about it. Stop already.

217 Saying 'legitimate rape' when you mean 'really raped and not just claiming that in a morning regret' is bad enough, but implying that 'wimmens got some magic biological voodoo' is what's really going to kill him.

218

Aslan's Girl: I'm pro-life too, but for god's sake, look at the political reality here. We still live in a country where babies can have their brains sucked out a day before the due date. Or they can be left on a table to die after they're born. Most Americans are repulsed by that, and yet it's A-OK with the Dems. If we're going to ever win the debate on abortion, let's start with the things that most people in this country agree are horrible and disgusting. For most people, that's not abortion after rape.

(/b>

It's like conservatives who are angry with Ryan because his plan doesn't go far enough. We should just end Medicare, axe a bunch of federal agencies and programs, and go for a bare-bones federal government and any GOP pol who argues otherwise is a RINO. Yes, I'm all in favor of small government - but to expect it to happen overnight is absurd and suicidal, and people like Ryan understand that. Jeez, just asking for a cut in the rate of spending gets you labeled a wild-eyed extremist who is going to toss granny over the cliff.

219 Abortion is a ... losing PR issue.

Actually, that hasn't been true for about a decade now.  America is more or less on board with the Pro-Life agenda (better than 50% last I looked).  That said: it is a distraction, and it's hardly an issue that is necessary to discuss.

It also doesn't help when your "stance" on abortion flies in the face of biology.

220 What the hell is the point of having O'Donnell and Trump at the convention?  What constintuency will be hurt if they're not there? An Obama plant made that call. 

221 "Obama also told a Rubio supporter in Florida that Rubio should 'watch it' because "he might get his ass kicked." How cute. The guy who throws like a girl and wears mommy jeans presumes to issue statements as to whom will get their ass kicked.

222 "Exclusive: FBI probed GOP trip with drinking, nudity in Israel" http://tinyurl.com/9f2mafw the link is to politico, via drudge. They both make this sound like some kind of orgy when in reality it was republicans on a free trip to Israel spontaneously jumping into the Sea of Galilee for the most part due to its religious significance. Israel must have tons of money. Everyone I know in college goes on these birthright trips to Israel one summer during college, for free. Now I'm finding out that those aren't the only free trips Israel is giving out. I guess they consider all those free trips an investment in their future.

223  It is a PR loser during this kind of election precisely because Abortion is the Democrats' Sacrament and they go full bore Spanish Inquisition after anyone who threatens it. The focus needs to be on the Democrats' failures, not this worthy distraction that just fires up opposition GOTV. A smart potician has a boilerplate statement like "legal but rare" and then changes teh subject to the Democrats and jobs.

224 If I worked in an office where people (of any political persuasion) were "high-fiving" each other ovet a stupid comment by a politician, I'd be looking for a new place to work.  Pronto. I've never heard of such a thing.

225 "It also doesn't help when your "stance" on abortion flies in the face of biology"

Or is provably wrong with a minimal amount of research.

But you are right, being pro-life is not a losing issue.  I think Gallup was last to show a plurality of the electorate is pro-life, and almost at the 50% point (49% is what I remember).

226 This just in, Tony Scott left a suicide note in his Prius.
Don't they come with a suicide note?

Looks like Bill OhReally told him "Fuck it, we'll do it live."

227 when the president spotted a woman he knew was close to Sen. Marco Rubio in a Florida hotel lobby. “Is your boy going to go for [vice president]?” the president asked her. Maybe, she replied.

“Well,” he said, chuckling, according to a person who witnessed the encounter. “Tell your boy to watch it. He might get his ass kicked.”

Boy? That tough talk is really funny coming from Urkel.

228 Interesting that Urkel feels entirely comfortable calling a Cuban-American "a boy."  Imagine if Rubio called Obama "boy."  Rubio would instantly become one of those racist white Hispanics.

229 79 days until we dip our balls.

230 Atkins is an idiot. He seems to believe that if you are really raped you can't get pregnant. Hogwash. However, I did have a social worker scream at me this weekend that if you only make an exception for rape and incest, then everyone who wants an abortion will clam rape or incest, and who will prove they are lying?

231 Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 20, 2012 09:36 AM (1Jaio)

Wait.  I thought that the word "boy" was racist.  I was reliably told by no less than the New York Times that the word "boy" was racist.  Even when you don't say it; if someone just "hears" that word at then of your statement- heaven forbid you actually say it- the word "boy" is racist.

I demand an apology.

232 in his mind, that Romney will get to take a victory lap on an economic rebound Obama sees as just around the corner. “I’m not going to let him win … so that he can take credit when the economy turns around,” Obama said, according to an aide.




Yeah, Barry that rebound is just around the corner. Funny how it will wait to show up until he's out of office

233

Posted by: nickless at August 20, 2012 09:24 AM (MMC8r)

 

I hate to bring it up...but if we are going to have the discussion.

   - how does rape fit into  'natural selection'? 

I  ask because I don't think he was talking about date rape v. rape rape. 

 I have heard this line of argument before.  It centers around the increased fertility due to  arousal in mating (consensual sex) rather than mere fornication (rape-rape). 

Without getting into the mechanics of it, there  is a 'scientific' argument  to be had about such a stance. 

We don't need to have the actual argument to see where it leads us re: 'Natural Selection'.   It boils down to  the difference between women doing the 'selection' or men doing the 'selection'. 

 The answer to the question is an uncomfortable one (for the Progressive Left)  if we deny the (potential) biologic function of arousal and attraction in succesful mating.

 

 

 

234 Regarding the death of Tony Scott, would his death be any less tragic if he wasn't talented?  One of my pet peaves (as I have ranted about here) is the reporting of the death of someone "beautiful, talented, etc", as if death is any less sad and tragic if they were ugly, untalented, etc.  We tend to measure someone's worth by superficial, worldly standards.

235 Obama remains frustrated with the bickering by Hill Democrats. During a closed-door meeting in June, he told House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid that Republicans were trying “to delegitimize me,” and implored them to put his own reelection over competing political priorities.





Because Barry is more important than the country or anything else for that matter

236 then everyone who wants an abortion will claim rape or incest, and who will prove they are lying? Rape has a police report. I'm one of those single exception pro-lifers and even I accept that you have to take what's possible. If permitting abortions for R&I now, allows us to restrict the on-demand type, then I'll take it. For now.

237 There have been several articles with the prez talking about how important his re election is. Is this normal for president's?

238 This is a unique time in the history of the world and world healers have a special job to help all human beings make the "2012 Shift" in consciousness from the 3rd to the 4th dimension. You may not know anything about "the Shift", but if you do an Internet search on the numbers 2012, you will see that there is something pretty big going on in the world. From every part of the world there will be reports on what might be happening to the Earth connected to the end of the world calendar. Does this mean the end of the world? Does this mean the world will turn upside down? Does it mean that we are going into the 4th dimension? And, what does this have to do with the Collective Consciousness and World Healers?

239 Liberals are high fiving each other today, because they are starved for good news.  They are deluding themselves that the election is going to turn on one stupid statement by a Senate candidate.

But somehow, the Vice President saying Blacks are going to be put back in chains is no big deal.

240

"King of the Clowns Donald Trump will have a convention role.".

 

Great.  Mobies   are getting convention roles now?

241 I hope the Trump thing goes away. We are the serious party of ideas right now, and do not need to prat fall into parody.

242

"Does this mean the end of the world? Does this mean the world will turn upside down? Does it mean that we are going into the 4th dimension? And, what does this have to do with the Collective Consciousness and World Healers?"

 

Ugh!  The wife is into this shit.  I take solace in the fact that she's no liberal and is a  rock solid  Republican voter.

243 Katya, I think it's because we place such extraordinary value on fame that we cannot understand how someone would take their own life when they have so much. Instead of underscoring the seriousness of depression and the loss that any life is, it distracts by becoming a news item: one less celebrity today. It says something about our culture and media.

244 The sad thing about Akins' comment was that the addendum to his ill-informed view that pregnancy from rape is biologically unlikely was fine. He basically said, Look, I think rape is horrible and someone should be punished, but he 'someone' who needs punishing is the rapist, not the baby.

245 “'I started feeling tingling and a little bit of numbness coming back and I was dizzy, I started to get dizzy, the dizzy head, you caught the MS fog, the real foggy brain,” Ann Romney said." http://tinyurl.com/9x7yb58 A dem sent me an email "see, her health is an issue". I sent back: "she's not running for president, she comes along for the ride". They wrote back: "and she too much baggage, you'll see"... I don't know what is wrong with people do they lack even a small soul, a small heart, even a little bit of compassion. I wrote back: "this is a side of you I've never seen and don't want to see again".

246

“Tell your boy to watch it. He might get his ass kicked.”

Looks like President Skidmark just couldn't keep his little racist union thug  side hidden for 10 fucking seconds could he?

247 So Trump gets a role at the convention but Perry, Palin, West, Gingrich, Cain, and Bachmann don't? That seems screwy. He (Trump) isn't even really a Republican. I'm not a fan of all of the other five, but each one has something to bring to the Convention, either in terms of their message, their speaking ability (really, all of them are good speakers) or the constituents to whom they appeal.

248 I'm one of those single exception pro-lifers and even I accept that you have to take what's possible. If permitting abortions for R&I now, allows us to restrict the on-demand type, then I'll take it.


It's a rachet.  Like the No Bodily Pleasures Except Non-Procreative/Deviant Sex fascists started with smoking, then moved on to all forms of tobacco, and now are coming after soda, and candy and cheeseburgers.  Except we're on the side of good here.

249 Six, not five. Blah, more coffee...

250

A dem sent me an email "see, her health is an issue"...  They wrote back: "and she too much baggage, you'll see"...

 

Well, then get zombie Roosevelt up here  and I'll work him  in after the next grandma.

251 "Liberals are high fiving each other today, because they are starved for good news. They are deluding themselves that the election is going to turn on one stupid statement by a Senate candidate." This won't be the squirrel they were hoping for. It's only newsworthy because Akin is running against McCaskill and MO is the one swing state where Romney holds a big lead.

252 Great. Mobies are getting convention roles now?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 20, 2012 09:47 AM (eoedh)

Never doubt the ability of Top Men to squander and misplay a winning hand.

253 Does this mean the end of the world? Does this mean the world will turn upside down?

Is it wrong to not be upset by mass suicides after Romney wins? Because I really won't be, as long as they aren't harming innocent people (there's a special place in Hell for people who commit suicide by semi-truck).

254 I'm embarrassed by Trump after the Press Corpse Dinner.

255

Does this mean the end of the world?

___

 

Only if endless.com stops running sales on Michael Kors shoes and bags.

256 Killing yourself is a form of extreme narcissism. Killing yourself in such a public way is an extreme act of hostility against those that love you. I do not feel badly for Scott. I feel badly for his survivors.

257 Speaking of Dagny, when is she coming back?

258 Perry, Palin, West, Gingrich, Cain, and Bachmann don't? Posted by: Y-not, old lady at August 20, 2012 09:53 AM (5H6zj) You forgot Santorum. Does he have a role? Haven't been paying much attention to the convention drama. But it seems as though they are cutting out people they perceive to be hard core conservatives.

259 I'm not all that concerned about Trump being at the convention- even having a speaking role.  He's been a real fire-brand against the SCOAMT, and keeps the focus purely (or almost purely) economic.  People don't listen to Trump for his opinions on social issues, but they do listen to him on economic issues.

So, if you don't mind, I'll wait to slit my wrists until after the convention.

260 not to change the subject but a police report does not always follow from a rape.

261 "Racist union thug side" --- You're talking about President Mom Jeans who needs Valerie Jarrett to shake it after he goes wee wee?

262 Get the Atkin dummy OUT.  Two candidates of Tea Party leanings are available and together their votes far outweighed that for dummy Atkin.  He must resign and let the convention appoint the second place primary candidate.  No woman constituent could depend on him to vote in "her" best interest.  His resignation has nothing to do with "democrats" or the crony corporate media.  Read his entire statement.  If you look at only part of it, as conservative blogs quoted him, there seems to be no reason for him resigning.  Sorry.  He is on big fat Fail.  This has to do with what Republicans stand for this time around (no big government spenders, no crony corruption incumbents or newbies, no social conservative authoritarianism).  If someone thinks his "Christian brand of social conservativism" permits him to be uneducated and anti-female, let him sit in retirement.  We don't need his ass.  Too bad the conservative vote was split.  Act now and McCaskill is still toast.

263 Is it wrong to not be upset by mass suicides after Romney wins? Because I really won't be, as long as they aren't harming innocent people (there's a special place in Hell for people who commit suicide by semi-truck).

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 20, 2012 09:56 AM (/kI1Q)

I've been openly advocating Jonestown 2 Arsenic Boogaloo for a long time; but the useless wanks JUST DON'T FUCKING LISTEN.

264 Who's slitting their wrists? It's foolish to leave off the governor of Texas, particularly when he's been one of our stronger voices for Federalism. That's a Republican success story and, no, I don't think Cruz is the right spokesperson to tell that story. Likewise, Gingrich has demonstrated himself to be a great fighter for Mitt and has the ability to speak directly to the Clinton years, which the campaign is using as a club against Obama by asking why they've abandoned moderation. Bachmann is not my cup of tea, but there's no doubt she attracts an important group. If you don't have Palin speak, you have to have Bachmann, imho. Cain is a great speaker. West is a rising star.

265 not to change the subject but a police report does not always follow from a rape. Indeed, but it is a reasonable requirement as an abortion restriction exception, otherwise, as many noted, it becomes the new "mental health" exception.

266 not to change the subject but a police report does not always follow from a rape.

Yeah, on a college campus when you change your mind about having slept with a guy while you were both drunk, you can just call the Dean of Women and get him kicked out of school without ever having a real trial.

267 There are really only 3 speeches anyone remembers at a convention: the keynote, the VP's and the Presidential nominee's speech. ---- The speeches I remember from the last one were by Rudy, teh Fred!, and McCain (mostly because it was less awful than usual). I actually don't really remember Palin's... mostly because I think I'm confusing it with her rollout speech just before the convention (or maybe that was the convention speech).

268 Why does the prez only go t church in the run up to the election? Doesn't he realize that people know he hasn't been going to church on a regular basis? Does he think we're stupid?

269 yes, he thinks we are stupid. And yes, the progs are.

270

"You're talking about President Mom Jeans who needs Valerie Jarrett to shake it after he goes wee wee?"

 

Of course.  After all, we know very well that this clown has never Walked The Walk, but can stutter the talk like nobody's business.

271 If someone thinks his "Christian brand of social conservativism" permits him to be uneducated and anti-female, let him sit in retirement. ----- What's anti-female about his statement? Look, he is wrong about the physiology of conception, but I don't see any reason to believe he has it wrong because of some grudge against women.

272 Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 20, 2012 10:06 AM (eoedh) We call it "having the sales gene"

273 I never need to hear from Cain, Gingrich or Santorum again. Palin is pretty much the same as Trump since she quit. They have McCain for the hawks and vets, and Huckabee will be there for the evangelicals. It seems like a good sampling. Rubio should have been the keynote speaker IMO. He's still introducing Romney, but Miami is hosting, he's a tea party rock star and Republicans want to reach out to Hispanics. It just seems like a list opportunity. Plus, Christie talks all the time about running in 2016. It's a bitch move to announce this is a real possibility at your convention.

274 262 A surefire way to get Missourians to cling tightly to Akin is to have a bunch of people from out of state tell them they *have* to get rid of him. Something to keep in mind as well is that many MO dems are very pro-life and the fact that McKaskill walked all over their clearly expressed wishes about Obamacare means this probably isn't as detrimental as it's being made out to be.

275 You know what we need to go with the Dancing Ewok?

Dancing Paul Ryan.

276 CNBC appears to be slightly freaked out by Lowe's this morning. Well duh

277 Atkins comment that a woman can't get pregnant from rape is a throw back to at least the 50's and 60's. It is the twin of the argument that you can't make a woman have sex against her will. It really cannot be defended. We should not try. We lose credibility and gain nothing by doing so.

278 What's the Lowes news?

279

"I never need to hear from Cain, Gingrich or Santorum again."

 

Same here.  Except for maybe Newt.  He's a decent proxy attack dog.

 

The final nail in Cain's coffin for me was the other day listening to him sub for Boortz when he used the "both sides do it" line with a caller.   There's a time to utter that line, and this wasn't the right time.

280 What do you guys think of the Newweek cover? Asking because nothing is done without careful calculation. Is it meant to make you feel bad for him?

281 No, fool, it's Tampa, the other coast, Who has been more active on the Tea Party front, who defended its right after the media, tried to tear it down, after Tucson, Rubio wasn't picked among other things, because Saul and other advisors worked for Charlie Crist, his primary opponent.

282 280 What's the Lowes news? Posted by: ontherocks at August 20, 2012 10:11 AM (aZ6ew) Their quarterly report was terrible. Same stor sale down lower EPS Just a mess... Well there aren't any new home formations to give them a bump and I guess the dorm sales aren't their strong suit. And, if you wanted to renovate, you probably did that already. They are reflecting our economy back at us.

283 272 I think it's the idea that if the raoe victim gets pregnant, it's because she liked it. It was a dumb statement from what U've heard, but I'm not surprised it came up. Last week we were talking about whether blacks would become slaves.

284 Newsweek was sold for a dollar. One dollar. They have generated no revenue for years. They are trying to sell magazines by being provocative. Nothing more, nothing less. In this instance they are correct, but I do not think it is further evidence of cascade. I think next week they will proclaim they have found bigfoot. They need to sell magazines.

285 282 No, fool, it's Tampa, the other coast, Who has been more active on the Tea Party front, who defended its right after the media, tried to tear it down, after Tucson, Rubio wasn't picked among other things, because Saul and other advisors worked for Charlie Crist, his primary opponent. Posted by: archie goodwin at August 20, 2012 10:11 AM (ctjsq) I think Rubio is in the right spot. Christie is a good attack dog, Rubio is good at making more out of the meal you give him. You'll remember Rubio introducing mitt cause he will utilize his spot in a surprising way, you'll see.

286 Is bobby jindal speaking at the convention?

287 Cain's was fine with "both sides" until it came to Rick Perry's rock. When he ran with Colbert in SC, I knew I'd been right about him all along. He's not just a RINO, he's a jackass.

288 67 AtC,

Hey was thinking about your post on the treadmill.

You recall the conversation you, Monty, and I had on the death of dividenditure as a primary concern due to the rise of the day trader and their bent for playing the stock market like roulette?  This tactic seems to ally itself with the HFT, Bonus situation as well.  One thing about the way the market worked for the most part in the run up to the mid to late 90s was that the Company prospectus was geared to explain the utility of capital shifted to organizational improvements.

People knew something was up with RJR/Nabisco based on the case study for new ovens for the Nabisco lines, and that was read as an indicator there was an attempt being made at a shedding of the Nabisco operation rightly or wrongly.

A different era, and perhaps, arguably the beginning of the rise of the "pump up price for its own sake" period we now "enjoy".

all the best,
sven

289 I have absolutely no idea how this plays in Missouri but this will be used as a bludgeon against the national ticket and Republicans in general.

It's fucking stupid and needless at this time.

The general consensus is that Republicans are backwards thinking knuckledraggers and this disphit talking about women having some kind of psyiological rape sperm sensing killbots is fucking retarded.

WE SHOULD NOT BE TALKING ABOUT RAPE!!!!

290

Look, he is wrong about the physiology of conception

 

Only he isn't...or at least he might just be misinformed as to the accuracy of his understanding, thereof. 

 (Assuming he is making the argument I believe him to be making.)

It's not rocket science. The PH of the Vagina is inhospitable to sperm.  Arousal creates a 'buffer' to that PH level allowing sperm to survive long enough to achieve conception. 

This is the root of the Ham Fisted argument this guy was making.  Is he an idiot to make the argument in the time and place he did?  Absolutely. 

 Is he wrong?  That remains to be demonstrated. If he can be proven wrong, the Progs might  have to admit that women have no  affect on Natural Selection.     

 

291 It's foolish to leave off the governor of Texas, particularly when he's been one of our stronger voices for Federalism.

I wouldn't be surprised if he politely declined an invitation, behind the scenes.  His popularity is considerably less solid now than it was before that pathetic excuse for a Presidential run.  Reminding Texans that he lost to Mitt Romney is probably not high on his list of priorities.

292 "Former Amalgamated Transit Union local 689 president Mike Golash, now an “Occupy” movement organizer, was caught on tape Sunday revealing his political goals: overthrowing capitalism in the United States and instituting a communist government." http://tinyurl.com/8jch6ya

293 If a woman feels she was date raped, I won't cast stones but pray that she behaves more responsibly in the future.

294 In my experience (and yes, the plural of anecdote is not data, but whatever) the "Murphy's Law" of pregnancy is that your chance of getting pregnant is inversely proportional to your desire to do so.  When my husband and I were actively trying to have a baby it took us two years to be successful, and then when we were not trying we were pregnant within a month.

Look, if you oppose abortion in all cases, including rape or incest, then your response should simply be "I feel very badly for victims of rape, but abortion is murder, no matter how the baby was conceived, and I oppose it."  You should not jump to some line of reasoning based on false rape allegations or dubious medical claims.

295 No kidding. Dew hurst getting his butt kicked by Cruz probably shook him up. I'm not so crazy about him.I love Marco Rubio, and Cruz seems like a cheap knock off.

296 Great tactic, hitting the clean-up crew. Will make everyone really nervous about doing salvage work.  Any gathering of 2 or more should be hammered.

297 Is he wrong? That remains to be demonstrated.If he can be proven wrong, the Progs might have to admit that women haveno affect on Natural Selection.

Someone suggested, above, that roughly 5% of rape results in pregnancy.  I'm not sure about the veracity of that statistic, and I don't think a source was cited (if it was, please correct me).  However, it's even close, that's actually a pretty high rate, which would suggest that he's wrong.

298 "You should not jump to some line of reasoning based on false rape allegations or dubious medical claims." Very well put,

299 I love Marco Rubio, and Cruz seems like a cheap knock off.

I'm sort of "meh" about Marco Rubio, and actively dubious of Cruz.  As I lamented several times during the primary- the best Texas could do was David Dewhurst, A Lawyer, The Man Liberal Enough to be elected Mayor of Dallas, and a Sports Caster whose claim to fame was getting one of the most beloved coaches in Texas Tech history fired.

300 Couldn't ovulation create a buffer as well? The cervical mucus thickens to help the sperm out. I thought they could live in your vagina for up to five days, too?

301 Yeah, I obviously don't know much about Texas, but I figured the Lt. Gov. must pull some kind of weight, and the party needs as big of a tent as possible with the Dems poaching there.

302 This is so much bullshit. A woman who is raped can get pregnant. Period. People who are raped may not report it. People who want an abortion may lie about being raped to get one. Atkins is a moron for even opening this can of worms. His idea that a raped woman cannot get pregnant is idiotic. Defending him is likewise idiotic.

303 Jib-cutter to aisle 238. Before the newsletter comes out.

Saint Augustine wrote that conception could not occur without female orgasm.

304 Saint Augustine was wrong.

305 Look, he is wrong about the physiology of conception ---- Only he isn't...or at least he might just be misinformed as to the accuracy of his understanding, thereof. (Assuming he is making the argument I believe him to be making.) It's not rocket science.The PH of the Vagina is inhospitable to sperm. Arousal creates a 'buffer' to that PH level allowing sperm to survive long enough to achieve conception. -- My PhD is in developmental biology, aka embryology. I'd like to see the primary scientific literature backing up this claim.

306 Todd Akin stars in 50 Shades of Rape<\b>

307

>>Couldn't ovulation create a buffer as well? The cervical mucus thickens to help the sperm out. I thought they could live in your vagina for up to five days, too?

 

Yes.  Ovulation is/would be a mitigating factor of this argument. 

The argument is, at least in its biology, an interesting one.

Like I stated previously, the implications for the Theory of Natural Selection are great as well.  .     

308 >>I'd like to see the primary scientific literature backing up this claim.
Posted by: Y-not, old lady at August 20, 2012 10:40 AM (5H6zj)

As long as we're inspecting paperwork, I demand to see your old lady credentials.

........yeah, just like I thought kiddo.

309 Well, the only time you can pregnant is when you're ovulating, so what other argument is there?

310 Really, this path Akin started one ends as well as the one that says the earth is 6000 years old.

311 Atkins stupid comments are a disaster that reinforce the worst stereotypes about conservatives. Defending him reinforces that. No thanks.

312 The third strike was aimed at militants cleaning up after the first two. That's mean-spirited. Good.

313 @StevenErtelt (LifeNews.com) Raped Mom Who Chose Adoption Meets Daughter 77 Years Later http://t.co/HCBbDHbK #Todd #Akin pro-life #prolife Unpossible!

314 http://tinyurl.com/d3ybyko

LOS ANGELES –  In the age of Facebook and Twitter, a new crime has hit America: "Sharpie parties," gatherings of party revelers armed with "Sharpie" magic markers and lured by social media invitations to wreak havoc on foreclosed homes.

Five years into the U.S. foreclosure crisis, Sharpie parties are a new form of blight on the landscape of boarded-up homes, brown lawns and abandoned streets. They are also the latest iteration of collective home-trashing spurred by social media.

Yeah...here's praying we don't "get the government we deserve" if/when these little darlings come of political sensibility age.

regards,

sven

315 Romney has pushed back hard against this. “Congressman’s Akin comments on rape are insulting, inexcusable, and, frankly, wrong,” Romney said. “Like millions of other Americans, we found them to be offensive.”

316 Well Y-not (#315) I guess she wasn't really raped then. Otherwise her body wouldve shut it down. Akin told us so.

Women see this as blaming the victim. And it is offensive as hell. (For the record I am a woman.)

317 315 @StevenErtelt (LifeNews.com)
Raped Mom Who Chose Adoption Meets Daughter 77 Years Later http://t.co/HCBbDHbK #Todd #Akin pro-life #prolife

Unpossible!

Posted by: Y-not, old lady at August 20, 2012 10:52 AM (5H6zj)

What a story!  I thought your '77 years later' must have been a typo.

318 What if the rapist had had a vasectomy?

319 Just because some moron is "our" moron does not mean we have to fall on our swords over every moronic thing he says. And frankly, I wish he weren't "our" moron. He is too stupid.

320 But I think Sean Trende has a point that it's not a big deal. Macaca only sank Allen in a close race where the other side's base was motivated to turn out. Blumenthal still won in a Republican wave year. Some asshole in TX compared rape to bad weather and became the governor. Romney obviously won't campaign with Akin, but that doesn't matter too much.

321 If there is no good alternative to this guy, Akin, I would try to rehabilitate him by having him go meet with some reproductive biologists to get educated about his misconception about conception. Really the crux of his argument is based on two things. The first is his premise that it is nigh on impossible to conceive out of forcible intercourse. The second is that it is not right to give a death sentence to a baby just because of how s/he was conceived. So if he makes a big show of getting himself educated about the former, he can just stand by his moral principle about the latter (which is, incidentally, consistent with Roman Catholic teaching about abortion). I'm not saying it will work, but it would be worth trying.

322

I am not defending anyone and I am certainly not the champion of this argument.  

 I am just pointing out the argument I believe that this guy was making.  I don't think he was making a distinction between flase claims of rape and actual rape. 

The fact that he mentioned a  feminine 'mechanism' is what leads me to believe this is, in fact, his claim.

That being the case, I am trying to flesh out the argument. 

Like I said, I find the appeal to this argument in the implication it has for the Theory of Naturla Selection.

 

323 Posted by: garrett

Jesus...are y'all still on about Akin?

Its no big deal chill.

Everyone knows women have magic vaginas that can stop rape sperm cold.

324 318 Well Y-not (#315) I guess she wasn't really raped then. Otherwise her body wouldve shut it down. Akin told us so.

Women see this as blaming the victim. And it is offensive as hell. (For the record I am a woman.)



what?  come on, women aren't offended when some ignorant male says something stupid....look at Biden.

325 give it up. Its all bullshit. He is wrong. A raped woman can get pregnant. He should have shut his pie hole. The fact he even believes these things and is willing to say them out loud is concerning. He is not smart. That is to say, he is stupid. Which may mean he will say other stupid things in the future. And probably govern stupidly.

326

and by appeal, I mean intellectual appeal. 

It brings something to the table re: the' Power of Procreation', that pervades the Feminist Academic Agenda.

327 312 Really, this path Akin started one ends as well as the one that says the earth is 6000 years old. Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

I am pretty sure the earth is 12,012 years old at least...I saw that Roland Emerich Movie 10,000 B.C.

328 dude this is not politics, its biology. He is wrong. He is stupid. There is no appeal in stupid.

329 The third strike was aimed at militants cleaning up after the first two.

That's mean-spirited. Good.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at August 20, 2012 10:51 AM (d9tUw)

 

Have to say that it gave my shriveled little heart a warm fuzzy. Surprised to see such a practical application though.

330 The other thing with Akin is he co-sponsored legislation to outlaw abortion even in cases of rape. Romney's issued statement sounds like his priomary challenger Steelman's nearly verbatim. I wonder whether they want to ditch him for her and call Palin in for damage control.

331 >>Posted by: garrett at August 20, 2012 11:09 AM I just think that absent some actual scientific data, and REALLY solid scientific data at that, it is wrong to go there. Moreover, it's unnecessary. The bad thing is his gaffe is very similar to the sorts of whackadoodle things we heard from Bachmann, especially Tardasil. But if we're stuck with this guy, I would try to rehabilitate his candidacy. There's nothing wrong with him going the extra mile and saying, "Hey, I realize now that I had this misconception about conception. I've spoken with a bunch of scientists and MDs and learned where I was wrong. I regret that what I said was hurtful and am glad that I was able to correct myself, particularly since my wrong-headed thinking is something I have heard from other people. It's good we all learn the reality." Then he can either try to drop it or just reiterate his moral case for not allowing abortion in cases of rape. BTW, I am not discounting that there might be some studies that have been used to argue you need orgasms to conceive (or that rape is very unlikely to result in conception). I'm just not aware of any and this is my field of study... although it has been a few years since I was digging around in the literature. So if there are any papers out there, it would be nice to see them to assess if they are solid research or POS or misinterpreted data.

332 Lemme tell ya: Anytime a politician uses ""From what/as/according to what/ I understand", they are either launching a prepared demagogic attack, or preparing to step on a land-mine. Acc. to Mr. Akin: "First of all, from what I understand from doctors, that's really rare," ... NOT a prepared demagogic attack. [Siiiighhh]

333

Posted by: Y-not, old lady at August 20, 2012 10:52 AM (5H6zj)

 

The (I assume former since it's been a few years) mayor of Ft. Collins wrote a book about growing up in the CO orphanage system and searching for his birth-mother as an adult.  He was pro-life to begin with, but finding his birth-mother and learning that he was the result of a rape when she was a young teen-ager really deepened his belief that life is precious.

334

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 10:54 AM (LRFds)

 

Why would they need to when the forclosedees often take anything of any value ( like the wiring and plumbing fixtures)  out of the house when they leave already? 

335 327 give it up. Its all bullshit. He is wrong. A raped woman can get pregnant. He should have shut his pie hole. The fact he even believes these things and is willing to say them out loud is concerning. He is not smart. That is to say, he is stupid. Which may mean he will say other stupid things in the future. And probably govern stupidly. Posted by: thunderb

Its highly unlikely he could say anything else stupid.  I am pretty sure he exceeded his stupid allotment for the year...the real problem is that he cosponsored a bill with our dreamy Paul Ryan and that tenuous connection is going to be used to connect this asshat and his ignorant comments with Paul to drag him down and demonize him.

I dont want to sound hysterical, but if he stays in the race its a bad thing for Missouri, for the GOP winning the senate majority, and for the presidential ticket in regards to women voters and independants.

This numbnuts just fucked the republicans big time.

And if you don't think thats true, enjoy the coverage of the "Legitimate Rape Party" Convention thats about to hit.

Republicans - Using social issues to beat themselves through shear stupidity.

Democrats - Lying about social issues to beat republicans every time.

We dont get to play by the same rules...stop thinking that we do.

336 Maybe Akins should meet with children that were the products of rape, apologize for being stupid, and emphasize how precious life is even with such a terrible beginning. Make the point without being a stupid ideologue.

337 332 The other thing with Akin is he co-sponsored legislation to outlaw abortion even in cases of rape. Romney's issued statement sounds like his priomary challenger Steelman's nearly verbatim. I wonder whether they want to ditch him for her and call Palin in for damage control. Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

If they are smart they will beg palin to be point man on this and call for his head and push steelman.

Then they can come behind and say the groundswell of conservative base wants this moron out so he is out.

But are they smart?

338 338 Maybe Akins should meet with children that were the products of rape, apologize for being stupid, and emphasize how precious life is even with such a terrible beginning. ----- That's a good idea.

339 338 Maybe Akins should meet with children that were the products of rape, apologize for being stupid, and emphasize how precious life is even with such a terrible beginning. Make the point without being a stupid ideologue. Posted by: thunderb

Oh yeah i can see that going well.

all it will take is one democrat rape child plant with incindiary questions to get in his face and get him to make another unforced error about magic vaginas and their anti rape superpowers, or that rape isn't really legitamate if they were carried to term, cause obviously their mamma liked it or they would have shut it down....please....lets not stick his hand in the garbage disposal again...once was enough...just get him out of the kitchen.

340

from post 293 in the other thread:

The issue the Dems are trying to run on, abortion, is dead last in voter importance.

___

 

Just trying to add a little perspective here. Pat Toomey won a senate seat in BLUE Pennsylvania. His solid conservative voting record wasn't exactly a state secret. I'm not in Missouri, but the sense I get is that they hate McCaskill with the heat of a thousand suns. Whatever traction the dems think they get with the Akins gaffe, McCaskill can't take back her obamacare vote, period.

341

>>Moreover, it's unnecessary.

agreed.  completely.

>>BTW, I am not discounting that there might be some studies that have been used to argue you need orgasms to conceive (or that rape is very unlikely to result in conception)....

Well, the famous  'Fellating Fruit Bat' study seemed to indicate that (feminine arousal and) willing participation in coitus results in much higher rates of pregnancy...among fruit bats.  

As for studies that examine the effects  of arousal on succesful reproductive activity in Primates...I can't point to a specific example. 

My formal training is in  argumentation, not the specific argument at hand.

 

342 /blinks Oh hells no, I ain't touching this one. (And if Akins was smarter, he wouldn't have, either.) Not. Enough. Caffeine. In the world.

343 you are right Wright, he has to go. Now.

344 If the GOP is going to steer clear of Akins, which seems reasonable/likely, I still think he should try to win (if he is not withdrawing). And if he is going to try to win, he needs to make a much bigger show of retracting his statement. It may not work, but he needs to try b/c they are not going to drop it.

345 336 Polli,

My reading of Cali is that the sharpie party thing is in otherwise non catastrophically abused structures.

This behavior is a large part of why California is the living embodiment of the Blue vision for the United States under their current Cloward-Piven gambit.

Force banks to make loans to low margin of error buyers and then argue a kabuki theater production of a morality play about the sob story reasons why banks are ethically required to screw their investors out of any recovery of lost investment potential.

That is why this election matters to me, we are facing the end of the 2d of three stages of their attack on the idea of self-reliance and personal responsibility and too many people are responding for my comfort.

Regards,
sven

346 Tony Scott jumped off a bridge yesterday. What a shame. He had a wife and 2 kids and plenty of work.

347 Concerned concern troll still concerned.

348 this isn't high school forensics. Akin is wrong, and stupid. FFS lets stop defending him. He will be hung around our necks.

349 What kind of a parent tells a child they were the product of a rape?

Seriously? I'm sorry but what the what?

Guy needs to go. The sooner the better. If he can step in it this massively, it's only a matter of time before he does it again because he is too dumb to be in national politics. He's probably done stupid shit like this before, but no one was paying attention.

350

Posted by: thunderb at August 20, 2012 11:27 AM (Dnbau)

 

Thunderb I can't remember if you're from MO or not. If you're not, and want them to drop Akin, demanding he be dropped isn't going to get you far. Appearing to find him sad and pathetic and worthy of pity for being so stupid *might* work. There's a reason the mule is a sumbol of Missouri.

351 To clarify when I said this:
What kind of a parent tells a child they were the product of a rape?

I was talking about the suggestion about akin meeting with children.

352 Blegh, *symbol* of Missouri. 

353 I'm not from MO. And ordinarily I wouldn't care. Its MOs business. But the Presidential election is just around the corner. I really believe that if the JEF wins another election, it will be too late to restore our nation. We will not recognize it. Anything that helps his re-election has to go. This might do that.

354 Gah. This is the kind of argument I hate. You can be right but it requires other people to know the science. In other words, it's a complete loser politically because if you're explaining you're losing. Okay, what (I assume) Akin is talking about is- Cryptic Female Choice. Cryptic Female Choice is behavioral, biological, anatomical, and physiological mechanisms to prevent pregnancy by unwanted or unfit males. It's a well known scientific phenom. Here's a paper on CFC in humans and other primates: http://www.facstaff.bucknell.edu/dreeder/Reeder%202003%20Cryptic%20Choice%20in%20Primates.pdf It's part of what is known as "Sexual Conflict". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_conflict Yes, there is a war of the sexes at the sexual, reproductive level. But I wouldn't make it part of my campaign. Moron.

355 I am not willing to believe that Akins educated himself on "Sexual Conflict". With his unsophisticated means of expressing himself I think it is more likely that he is stupid beyond all hope.

356 349 Concerned concern troll still concerned. Posted by: garrett

thats a winning argument right there.

Mail that to the Romney campaign...i am sure it will help them with the women and independent voting block.

357

Posted by: thunderb at August 20, 2012 11:34 AM (Dnbau)

 

Well , if you believe that Akin going will help Romney then you're going to have to lay off of him. I know that's hard, and certainly counter-intuitive, but you'll have to *show* the people of MO how it's in *their* interest to get rid of him and not  simply demand that they do so.

358 Check out my link for more concern troll posters

359 fortunately I have no influence in MO, or anywhere else

360

Posted by: naturalfake at August 20, 2012 11:36 AM (54vf

 

Thanks for those refs.

361

Posted by: thunderb at August 20, 2012 11:42 AM (Dnbau)

 

Well, there is a fairly large contingent of MO commenters here. If you want to convince us that this is really going to sink Akin so that *we* will work to influence our state, then you're going to need something besides emotional demands.

362 Not getting rid of Akin while we have the chance is like telling the party to lay back and enjoy the raping the party is about to experience over this issue by the MSM aka Obama pravda....chill and relax guys, and you will enjoy it cause its still sex.

363 Barack Obama: A rapist's penis America: The unwilling uterus These ads just write themselves...

364

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:29 AM (LRFds)

 

So they take whatever homes *may* be able to recoup the loss and prevent those from doing so as well?  We need another one of those speeches from "It's a Wonderful Life" reminding people just whose money that is that's being lost in those cases.

365 yikes!  I just reached the section on 'flowback' and 'dumping'.

366 363 Posted by: thunderb at August 20, 2012 11:42 AM (Dnbau)

Well, there is a fairly large contingent of MO commenters here. If you want to convince us that this is really going to sink Akin so that *we* will work to influence our state, then you're going to need something besides emotional demands. Posted by: Polliwogette

Well think of it this way, if the msm makes this front and center and tars ryan with it because he cosponsored bills with Akin and the net result is it turns off 1-3% of the female vote and romney loses a swing state or two because of that, is it worth it to keep Akin?

This is not the election to fight this issue.

Its time to save the country.

367 One, we note famous people's deaths, because we don't know everyone in the fucking world that dies. If someone here posted about someone they know who died, no doubt people would be concerened for them, too. Two, people commit suicide because they are depressed. It is a mental illness. It's not fucking selfishness.

368 It brings something to the table re: the' Power of Procreation', that pervades the Feminist Academic Agenda.

--

I read that as the "Power of Procrastination" and thought finally, a feminist agenda I can get on board with.

--says Mayday, who is keeps putting off a work project

369

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 20, 2012 11:49 AM (ovpNn)

 

Much better. Honestly, I don't know if it's *possible* to dump him at this point (and I'm worried what the next MFM attack will be if we do) but that's at least a coherent argument whose points can be weighed.

370 Two, people commit suicide because they are depressed. It is a mental illness. It's not fucking selfishness. Posted by: The Dogs

I am really surprised by this.  I have followed Ridley Scott's career for years, but never Tony's.  They both seemed very well adjusted and balanced from any interviews where they were together, and Ridley always struck me as very centered....I just never expected this from a Scott.

RPatz or KSew, sure....although i suspect KStew would have put on a lifejacket and called the press before jumping.

371 Much better. Honestly, I don't know if it's *possible* to dump him at this point (and I'm worried what the next MFM attack will be if we do) but that's at least a coherent argument whose points can be weighed. Posted by: Polliwogette

We are going to get hit with all kinds of shit between now and november, but this is an issue we can easily defang so it doesnt continue to bite us along with all the other bullshit.

He can be replaced and ideally with a female replacement.  The optics of that are excellent actually.

372 366 Polli,

It's a wonderful life happened in an era where people were told that fascism was making gains at easing worker pain in Europe so they happily allowed Hoover and FDR to dabble in the dark art of it.  At their core they had living memory of relatively unencumbered free market in action economics.  They were taught in civis how an economy worked and what was needed for growth.

You want to understand a sliver of my pessimism audit a civics course if your district even offers it anymore.  Ask to see the course materials for an hour as a concerned taxpayer.  Nancy, Harry, and Barry passed CORE a national standardization of curricula standards and baseline POV that it to be implemented in another 5 years.

I'll go out on a limb and say the NEA and Donks are gonna go full Jar Jar and encourage even more indoctrination to education ratio stick time.

The only kids coming out of high school with an unencumbered grasp of the free market are the drug dealers and a small percentage of kids who learn it from mom and dad or econ honors students.

Them's the facts I fear.

regards,
sven

373 Two, people commit suicide because they are depressed. It is a mental illness. It's not fucking selfishness.

Not everyone who commits suicide is clinically depressed.

There's not enough information about Tony Scott to know either way.

374 On another note...

Donald Trump is getting a speaking role at the Republican Convention...

Sarah Palin is NOT getting a speaking role and isn't even invited...

Fucking Morons...seriously...we wont stand by Sarah after all she has done for the party, but Mr Hairpie and his birtherism is good for the party to put on the national stage.

Where do they come up with these brilliant ideas?   Did Obama send the GOP some holiday CHOOM?

375 AHOY!

376 You can be right but it requires other people to know the science.

The penultimate thing the abortion-uber-alles crowd wants is for people to know science.

377 the first part of the statement was one thing. the second part of the statement, where Akin said he'd rather punish the rapist than the kid, is consistent from a pro-life perspective, even though obviously it is an extreme circumstance. not that i expect much else from an "ugh" from Malor on issues like these that're obviously "irrelevant" (mmhmm) to the GOP's success

378 Its a distraction torpedo that is going to be deployed against R ad R over and over again

379 You can be right but it requires other people to know the science. I've seen on Twitter: "If you don't understand biology, you can't legislate my anatomy."

380 Its a weapon of mass distraction

381 Happy 70th Birthday, Isaac Hayes. http://youtu.be/qdT0NDU5PgQ Chocolate Salty Balls Today is also Robert Plant's 64th birthday, Kraftwerk's Ralf Hutter turns a young 66 and Phil Lynott, the Irish singer, songwriter and bass player of Thin Lizzy would have been 63 today.

382 Whatever traction the dems think they get with the Akins gaffe, McCaskill can't take back her obamacare vote, period. Posted by: kallisto at August 20, 2012 11:27 AM (jm/9g) It might be kind of fun to see a conservative run on abortion, euthenasia and all the evil in Obamacare. He's got nothing else to lose at this point.

383 Re:356 I pretty much doubt Akin's know the science behind his remarks. Though he's probably familiar with this set of stats: http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/view/492/26/ Anyway, stupid. You're guiding principle for campaign remarks is does this remark answer itself or provoke more questions? Can these questions be answered in 1-2 short sentences to most people's satisfaction? That's a big "NO" on both parts of Akin's statement. Still, if he's the R nominee- I'd vote for him. Winning the Senate is just as important if not more so than the Presidency. As I said in 2010- I dont care if the candidates a kitten-rapin, human-skin-drapin, cannibal-hillbilly if he's republican, I'm voting for him (possibly-nsfw/) http://tinyurl.com/2c5tbj4

384 We need to start "expelling" the conservative wing that doesn't want a rape exemption for abortion.  They completely undermine the pro-life movement.

That's the surest sign someone is a complete freak.  You really think if someone's wife or daughter was raped and they were pregnant, they would want to raise that child as their own?  Would you want to adopt a baby conceived in rape?

For the 1% of the population that has this view?  Fine, if you're raped, have the child, but leave the rest of us alone and don't completely undermine the argument of abortion as a form of birth control.  It's too the point where I'm willing to go pro-choice just because I'm so sick of these weirdos.

385

Posted by: sven10077 at August 20, 2012 11:58 AM (LRFds)

 

Agreed.  Which is why I started homeschooling recently. 

 

 

386

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 20, 2012 12:17 PM (i330i)

 

Wouldn't it be hard for them to be taken seriously *as* a conservative if that was their platform?

387 We need to start "expelling" the conservative wing that doesn't want a rape exemption for abortion. They completely undermine the pro-life movement. Posted by: Brady at August 20, 2012 12:22 PM (0kf1G) It is called principles. You can't argue you are Pro-Life and then say it is okay for a woman to end to the life of a developing human being because of the circumstances that child was conceived in.

388 It's too the point where I'm willing to go pro-choice just because I'm so sick of these weirdos.

Posted by: Brady at August 20, 2012 12:22 PM (0kf1G)

Yeah, makes perfect sense..../s

And I suspect you already are pro choice.

389 I think this is good: http://www.augusta.com/masters/story/news/latest-news/augusta-national-admits-2-women-members

390 You really think if someone's wife or daughter was raped and they were pregnant, they would want to raise that child as their own?

Women actually do this, so yes.

Would you want to adopt a baby conceived in rape?

What did the baby do wrong that it's unworthy of life?

391 @378 ...The penultimate thing the abortion-uber-alles crowd wants is for people to know science. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 20, 2012 12:03 PM (/kI1Q) I absolutely and categorically disagree with this statement. The SCIENCE is that an embryo/fetus is an immature human. Period. End of story. By any scientific measure, It is a human child. The Abortion crowds argument does not center on science but instead focuses on the kind of angels dancing on a pinhead argument such as consciousness or ability to survive outside the womb. They want the fetus to be considered anything but what it is- a human child at a specific period of development. Find the science that tells me I'm wrong.

392 387 Polli,

Best of luck sincerely.  I decided against it because of my own experiences with my history education degree pursuit experience.  I have a severe temper for student apathy and had an "interesting" upbringing, so even though unacted on almost always I have a very high fight or flight response matrix.  My son is my only chance at parenthood and I was uncomfortable gambling on my ability to not have our relationship suffer from the increased stress.

You have my partial envy, and my sincerest hopes for success.

All the best,
sven

393 There are no pregnancies from legitimate rapes because a woman's body can shut down and keep from getting pregnant. Despite no medical evidence to the contrary. Aiken is an idiot and I'm pissed at the voters here in Missouri for voting for him in the primary.

394 @356 The REVIEW article you cited talks about the possibility of female mammals selecting between competing males using various mechanisms, including theoretical physiological processes. From the article: "Describing the multiple mechanisms by which CFC could function and the species and circumstances in which it is likely is a far cry from demonstrating that it has indeed operated. " It's meant to be a thought-provoking article that references suggestive studies. It is not an article that reviews a well-established, or even highly likely, process in humans. The second link is Wiki. So, again, I really see no scientific basis for Akins' assertion. Moreover, even anecdotal evidence refutes his initial assertion. Finally, it is simply not necessary, or helpful, to argue a no exceptions pro-life stance. He had a better argument and he undercut it.

395 We need to throw the dork under the bus and move the fuck on.  There's an Obama that needs defeating and anything, ANYTHING, that draws energy from that goal helps Obama.  The people who keep flogging this at this time of dire existential national emergency are in league with the enemy.

396 >>397 We need to throw the dork under the bus and move the fuck on. I think Romney and Ryan did what they needed to do. I assume that any of the national GOP party leaders who really have their eyes on the ball (the WH) will steer clear of this guy. That said, if he does not drop out of the race (and if the MO GOP has no way of forcing him to do so), I certainly hope he salvages his candidacy. Doing things like reiterating how he was mistaken about current scientific thought on this subject and meeting with people who were conceived by rape are two strategies he might try. I'm much more gloomy about our chances to win back the Senate than many here. This fumble certainly doesn't help that. Basically, it blows.

397 Wouldn't it be hard for them to be taken seriously *as* a conservative if that was their platform? Posted by: Polliwogette, teahada hobbit who wants some R & R at August 20, 2012 12:24 PM (8sEhR) It depends. I admired Palin's stance on abortion. She finessed it perfectly, unabashedly conservative but libertarian in her approach to policy. Then she resigned halfway through her first term. There's a new blog post on WaPo about Akin's weird theories about biological science. Huckabee knew all about this when he endorsed him. That pisses me off and confirms that Democrats were waiting to lob this missile after Biden's remarks. According to Sarah Kliff on Ezra Klein's Wonkblog, Huckabee tapped a guy named Fay Boozman to run his health department, and this guy made similar comments during his senate campaign. He said, “fear-induced hormonal changes could block a rape victim’s ability to conceive.” Huckabee knew this would become an issue. Why did he foist this guy on the GOP in such a high-profile race?

398 @399 Ugh. That's unfortunate.

399 wow, you guys are still talking about abortion?

400 You really think if someone's wife or daughter was raped and they were
pregnant, they would want to raise that child as their own?

Women actually do this, so yes.

Would you
want to adopt a baby conceived in rape?

What did the baby do wrong that it's unworthy of life?

That doesn't answer the question.

If YOU were raped (assuming you're a female) would you give birth to it and raise the child as your own?  What about if was your daughter?

Would YOU adopt a baby that was the product of a rape?

How about this, would you take a morning after pill?  Should that also be illegal?

401

Posted by: Tami at August 20, 2012 12:28 PM (X6akg)

 

I agree with your take on that comment.

402 “I really think that for the national party to try to come in here and dictate to the Republican primary voters that they’re going to invalidate their decision, that would be pretty radical,” she continued. “I think there could be a backlash for the Republicans if they did that.” http://tinyurl.com/9s2pp79

403 Yep, Tami is right.

404 Huckabee knew this would become an issue. Why did he foist this guy on the GOP in such a high-profile race?

Because in reality, Huckabee is neither conservative or a republican, he's just religious.  The constraints of Republic don't appeal to him particularly, and fiscal restraint isn't something he's fond of either.

405 Test.

406 Woot! Unbanned!

407 406 PA,

Mike Huckabee's problem with Barack Obama's imperial use of power is he is NOT Barack Obama.

well put friend

408 True, he's a Huey Long-styled populist, which is why I never liked him. But thanks for refreshing my memory.

409 @396 Posted by: Y-not, old lady at August 20, 2012 12:38 PM (5H6zj) Eh, I suspect we're talking past each other and actually agree. Yes, that was a review article, not the be all and end all of scientific proof. My intention was to introduce the concept of Cryptic Female Choice and give anyone curious about it a frame work with cites they could look up if they wished. For instance quote) ...Wasser and Isenberg [1986] reviewed the human literature on psychosocial stress and reproductive failure. They found a number of studies in which characteristics or conditions related to males, including [b}rape[/b], infidelity, death of a spouse, discontent with one’s partner, and low levels of social support from the spouse, played a role in reproductive failure of one type or another. Their review was largely restricted to those studies that they believed adequately controlled for the effects of a variety of other factors, including age, parity, disease, smoking, drinking, marital sta- tus, race, and socioeconomic status. Nevertheless, human psychological studies are complex and often retrospective – thus caution is suggested in interpreting these studies in terms of selection via CFC... The Wiki cite was to introduce the concept of Sexual Conflict to a non-science group. Again not intended to be the be all and end all of scientific proof. These mechanisms aren't that effective anyway with a pregnancy rate of 5% for rape victims. If I remember correctly, that's actually a higher rate than normal intercourse. But that doesn't mean they don't exist. Frankly, to obtain hard scientific data to absolutely prove CFC in humans would require something like a Nazi death camp or WWII Japanese Medical experiment camp. Not. Gonna. Happen. Anyway- Akin was incredibly stupid to bring it up, whether or not he understood the science. That we definitely agree on.

410 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

411

Back in the early 70's, pre Roe v Wade, there were a few of big issues for feminists: equal pay for equal work, language changes  (chairperson for chairman,etc) and changing the rape laws. At that time, in many states, a charge of rape could not be brought unless semen was found in the victim's vagina. Feminist argument was that rape is not a sexual act but rather an act of power. They also claimed that most rapists are non-functional and are unable to ejaculate normally so there is very seldom any semen in the vagina after a rape. If this is true, there would be very few pregnancies after rape.  This of course was before abortion became the only thing that feminists care about. Now to listen to pro aborts, every act of rape results in a pregnancy. Neither stance is true. Pregnancy can result from rape. This does not mean that the child conceived deserves the death penalty for the crimes of the father. And, yes, if I became pregnant as the result of rape, I would bear the child. Whether I parented the child or placed him for adoption would depend on other circumstances, but I would not execute him.

412 Expect the retard skit to be well received by the retards who thought he was a great candidate for president.